no it's not
#the-water-cooler
last dirge
there's still cost associated with "cycling employees"
glacial knot
productivity as metric is questionable either way
since the impact of back-office work is very different (and possibly impossible to measure) than a technician
last dirge
and if you're "cycling employees" on a frequent basis, starts to look like the employees aren't the problem
ashen kayak
if you have to cycle employees, you need to restructure the job lol. The common denominator there is the job
glacial knot
cycling employees is about as good a look as job jumping on the personal side
last dirge
that's the appeal to tradition fallacy
glacial knot
aka. jobs nobody would take if they could get a better one
forest edge
just saying, it's cheaper for them to do that then to restructure the job or else they wouldn't have been doing it all this time
last dirge
"we've always done it this way and it's worked horribly!"
you're only talking purely monetary cost
there's a huge societal cost for shit like that
ashen kayak
yeah, retaill & fast food is a subset of the whole job market. So you can't give the blanket statement that it is cheaper
forest edge
im talking the view point of the company
last dirge
now we're straying into the morality of the current capatilism approach
and many of those multi-national fast food places CAN and DO do it differently in other countries and it works fine
last dirge
which comes down to "maybe individual output isn't a good measure of performance"
forest edge
in those jobs there is nothing else tho
last dirge
if you only analyze someone's output without taking into consideration all of the BS you're putting them through for a low wage, that's the problem
forest edge
well now with the recent wage hike, maybe things might change? i dunno
last dirge
and the attitudes of far too many in society toward those people in those jobs is also horrendous
forest edge
I doubt they will restructure on that
glacial knot
which comes down to "maybe individual output isn't a good measure of performance...
ehh. It's at least partially because our employment regulations require a stronger binding of employee and employer. Because cycling (OTOH also changing jobs often) is seen as even worse
And having decent unemployment makes these bottom tier jobs less bottom tier. Since there's a higher floor to compete against
ashen kayak
well pay higher wages but you can pay less workers so now everyone is overworked
forest edge
that is happening too @ashen kayak
course buisnesses have to do what they hve to do to stay in buisness so it's not like it's all evil in nature
last dirge
pretending that big corporations are "doing what they have to do to stay in business" is laughable
last dirge
small businesses will be fine
glacial knot
You got small ones that do all that cycling?
forest edge
but they still use the excuse of keeping the projections high at all cost
last dirge
if there is generally more spending power due to increased wages, it offsets stuff
forest edge
@glacial knothere ironically fast food places etc are privtly owned so they still fall in that small buisness catagory
last dirge
it's like with the UI "bonus"
the studies that have come out around that say it's almost 100% spent within the local economy
which is a huge boon
ashen kayak
yeah, more spending power from the lower paid workers...but people who are in management and above likely will have less spending power because prices have gone up to offset higher pay.
glacial knot
I know that a lot of the "chains" are actually franchises. But I wouldn't consider those the same as a small family owned restaurant or shop
forest edge
its the same boat tho
glacial knot
those being the license takers
forest edge
goverment here classified every company with fewer than 500 employees was considered small buisness
last dirge
Jim and Pam's Country Buffet isn't doing that
forest edge
atleast they did during covid
500 is alot, never seen a micky d's with that many lol
last dirge
most franchise owners own multiple locations
forest edge
not all
last dirge
and operate them under the same entity
ashen kayak
but, franchises don't have nearly as much overhead...it's give and take to an extent
last dirge
that's not true in the case of McD's specifically
McD's owns (in almost all cases) the property that the restaurants are on and lease it to the franchisee
last dirge
it's part of their business plan
glacial knot
it's your job to google that sonoma. That's how you operate. We've seen it earlier
last dirge
so that's a constant expense
whereas other restaurants may be able to purchase and own outright their location
forest edge
I wtched a video about that whole micky d's ice cream scandal thing where they talk about how the machine is always broke and they specicially addressed how the building and land etc was all owned by the private
last dirge
plus with franchises you're often required to make updates to equipment, location, decoration and process at not-insignificant cost
forest edge
the owners bought and owhned that ice cream machine BUT the brand owned rights to decide what brand of machine was bought etc etc
last dirge
non-franchises don't have to deal with that
forest edge
it's all murky as shit if you ask me
ashen kayak
if owning a franchise was not lucrative...the model would have failed long ago
forest edge
it's your job to google that sonoma. That's how you operate. We've seen it earli...
don't be a shit stain mkay
forest edge
fine , let me find the video
ugh
yoiu gotta watch the whole thing but he does address the ownage aspect
ashen kayak
the company i work for has a contract with a popular chicken sandwich chain. All franchisees have to choose between us and 2 other companies for the service we offer. Probably sucks for the individual owners, but creates consistency across the brand
forest edge
yea, the consistency is what they want
glacial knot
https://1851franchise.com/why-is-mcdonalds-considered-a-real-estate-company-2715077 yea, if this random journalist claims that, they apparently didn't research McDonalds specifically. But just general franchised restaurants
forest edge
that says 85%
which is not 100%
just saying..
it's irrelvant to this conversation tho
last dirge
85% is almost all cases
glacial knot
did you just look for a number, and not read the sentence around it?
last dirge
as my caveat stated
forest edge
I know for 100% the mcdonalds up the street from me does not own the land it's sitting on. I know this cause I know the dude who owns the shopping center it's located in
again, not part of this conversation
ashen kayak
what is the downside of MC'D own the land? Your "rent" is now an OPEX in the US which only helps come tax season
forest edge
I dunno why this came up
glacial knot
I know for 100% the mcdonalds up the street from me does not own the land it's s...
what do you even think the conversation is? Because that's exactly what Brian brought up
And it's exactly that the license taker (aka your buddy) doesn't own it. For other franchises that might vary
But for McDs the vast majority of stores also rent from the license provider. Which is already a huge difference to many smaller stores
forest edge
it still dosen't make them a big company in the employee aspect we're talking about
last dirge
what the hell are you on about?
ashen kayak
yeah, thats how rent works. There are upsides to renting instead of owning the property
forest edge
I thought you were trying to make the argument that mcdonalds was somehow not in the same boat as all other franchises simply because the brand owns the land or something
last dirge
the difference I was pointing out earlier was that non-franchise locations can purchase property and own it free and clear
forest edge
this is why I don't like diving down rabbit holes
last dirge
that's not always the case for franchisees
forest edge
because we get off course
ashen kayak
ok, then don't buy a franchise...build everything out on your own. Freedom of choice here
glacial knot
no. The point is that franchise license takers are not in the same boat as small family owned bisuness
this was just an example. And you decided to be a shit stain about it
last dirge
see, @glacial knot gets what I was pointing out
forest edge
it's the same boat, how is it not? how are mcdonalds employees paid?
last dirge
with franchises you get the benefit of a "proven" model, and some leverage with economies of scale
but sometimes that's offset quite a bit by things like franchise fees
and not being able to own the land/building your business operates from
ashen kayak
You can be a small business that owns franchise locations. When you walk into the door of these locations is "Owned and Operated by xyz .LLC"
glacial knot
see, <@!232859383086710789> gets what I was pointing out
duh. You stated that rather explicitly
last dirge
holy shit you guys are completely unable to follow discussion
last dirge
maybe your employer should pay you less due to lack of critical thinking skills
ashen kayak
zig zags and loopty loops are hard
forest edge
mcdonalds is no different than any other small buisness model in regards to cost of employee cycling and going off employee performance over any other model in terms of pay
thats all i have to say
forest edge
the open tabs?
last dirge
"search tabs"
forest edge
i hate they added a add to readlng list to the bookmark thing
last dirge
can you make chrome put all your tabs into task manager?
I've been using Edge a lot and it does that and that's pretty awesome
ashen kayak
i usually run out of RAM before i need to search through my open tabs
forest edge
upgrade from that 128Mb
glacial knot
are you on 2GB? D:
last dirge
you can quick switch through instead of doing ctrl + pgup/down
ashen kayak
lol
glacial knot
who uses that? Ctrl+Tab is way easier to reach o.0
ashen kayak
didn't even know ctrl + pg up/down was even an option until now
forest edge
didn't even know people used keyboard shortcuts with browsers
glacial knot
there's other ways to use your browser? ๐ฎ
ashen kayak
i use ctrl+F quite a bit
glacial knot
ctrl+t and ctrl+l are also daily drivers
and when possible, just use a good browser https://www.qutebrowser.org/
forest edge
pretty much settles the small buisness part lol
oh this addresses the land ownage part too https://blog.wallstreetsurvivor.com/2015/10/08/mcdonalds-beyond-the-burger/#:~:text=The company owns about 45,It's a brilliant strategy.&text=McDonald's keeps close to 82,its company-operated restaurant revenue.
glacial knot
oh this addresses the land ownage part too https://blog.wallstreetsurvivor.com/2...
Yes? That was exactly the point
forest edge
45% is not land ownage
glacial knot
Which was never really the point? The point is, that franchise takers are bound to their contract with the corporate, which reduces their leaway to do anything interesting
And your article again states that the corporate entity is the landlord for the franchised restaurant.
And since the property (houses) ownership is higher than the land one, you can be pretty damn sure they are confident in their hold on it. This is corporate tax shenanigans that have 0 impact on the franchise takers
forest edge
the discussion was over employee evaluation practices which has nothing to do with any of what you are going on about or what brian brought up which was in regards to it mcdonalds considered a small buisness (directed at employee evaluation practices (cycle). the land ownership etc was if each store could be considered as a small buisness or not in the regards of the conversation
the previous article already chimes on the small business fact but either way the reality of mcdonalds not owning neither the land or buildings outright makes it a mute point regardless
they own enough to have a say, nothing more
forest edge
noway something like this would be legal in the states https://youtu.be/valQZEMJBEg
clear ferry
A regular pink Floyd concert you say
hushed basalt
There's a similar thing here for a lot of government departments. Where pay is coded based on qualifications and experience
But it's a policy, not law
Here in tech, a large portions of jobs don't state anything about educational requirements
forest edge
in tech there is no requirements? that sounds odd to me lol
pretty sure it had to do with our fair labor act but it was never really anything that was brought forth at least not round here. just remember being instructed bout it when I was promoted into a position with hiring status eons ago
clear ferry
Most jobs here have requirements, but experience will almost always trump education if you apply
glacial knot
A regular pink Floyd concert you say
that's a weird way to spell: half a ramstein song
clear ferry
My job required a master + 5 years experience, I had neither
clear ferry
that's a weird way to spell: half a ramstein song
1/8th
glacial knot
I've seen more pyro with in extremo ๐
forest edge
My job required a master + 5 years experience, I had neither
yea but what was thier pool to pick from like? you or the lemming?
clear ferry
glacial knot
My job (the one I intially applied to) had a looooong list of requirements
I've by now helped to rework that, and make it somewhat sane
It's still more than anyone would provide. And it's offered as "X years of experience or Bsc or above"
clear ferry
Education ๐คข
glacial knot
almost none of the management track jobs we have are ever advertised
They are internal promotions, or gained by knowing someone
outside civil service, which is highly regulated, that's not uncommon
I think we are a bit extreme, since we are a smaller (but growing) company, but still
hushed basalt
Companies generally only advertise if they can't find someone or their policy dictates it
glacial knot
The adverts we have always online are the kind where we can't find enough people
forest edge
cost money for companies to advertise for jobs. here depending on where that's done it can become quite expensive
I think job fairs is about the cheapiest venue they can go
clear ferry
Job fairs, I remember those in the 90s
glacial knot
there's 2 sets of advertised
Public on our website
advertised properly
We have a non-zero number of jobs only on the website. Which is close to 0 cost
forest edge
they still exsist
glacial knot
We had a booth at a virtual one on Wednesday. Not worth it ๐
But I'll look into going to the one at my old Uni
It's a factor of ~100 larger ๐
forest edge
problem is generally the people those are aimed at end up not being the type of people some companies promte through it want lol
my girl does that for a non profit organization here and it always sounds like a shit show when she talks about it lol
glacial knot
we only use the ones that are from a ternary education institution
Since we want at least some recent graduates. Any more general ones don't make sense in jobs that generally require higher ed
forest edge
pretty sure they are really only aimed at unemployed with struggling reasons (like education) these days
job placement has been a thing for quite some time so they don't get too many people who would ever be over qualified going through those I would imagine
clear ferry
That is probably it, we don't have struggling reasons since education is basically free for everyone
๐คฃ
glacial knot
I payed around 600 for my bachelors ๐ฎ
including public transport in that time ๐
glacial knot
erm? YEs way?
forest edge
wait, there are only like 30 of you, maybe they do
glacial knot
mhh, 80 million people country? My university had 40k students. 2nd one in the city is 45k ish
clear ferry
My wife's masters has been $250ish plus books
glacial knot
books? right. I think I payed a total of 5โฌ for materials in the time
"Schutzgebรผr" aka, they wanted money so you don't get them instead of toilet paper ๐
clear ferry
Yeah, she didn't have to buy them new thankfully, so think she got them for $400 total, plus half of that could be written off on taxes
glacial knot
iirc. I could even write off education cost on taxes payed years later, if that education helped get the job
forest edge
higher education could never be covered by the government here
glacial knot
but since I never payed anything ๐
forest edge
there are grants etc
that help with quite alot
some can make it through with very little to pay
but in general.. no
clear ferry
Also, anyone can take any education they want here as long as they apply for it and get picked @forest edge None of that no you can't go to that school because X y z
glacial knot
That's what leads to comments like #the-water-cooler message, yes
glacial knot
<@!232859383086710789>what country do you live in?
Germany
glacial knot
Also, anyone can take any education they want here as long as they apply for it ...
Do you have no necessary secondary education requirements for higher ed? That's cool
forest edge
yea your country was wrecked and then had to rebuild
we didn't go through that phase
if the united states had a doover things would be diffrent
clear ferry
Do you have no necessary secondary education requirements for higher ed? That's ...
Only requirements are "general education" which is included in most high school education, and if you come from one like mine which is vocational you can get in based on work experience instead if I want to reeducate
glacial knot
so? That has nothing to do with whether you got a good system or not
but hey, you continue with your system that reinforces almost all social problems and have fun
forest edge
yea cause you know, something like that can change over night
glacial knot
I'm (by far) not happy with everything that happens here
But free education is something I will fight for. Because it's the best way to at least have a chance of equal opportunity
forest edge
our system was perfectly fine, problem is we out grew it
glacial knot
Only requirements are "general education" which is included in most high school ...
interesting. though I'm unsure how your high school term relates to either US version, or what we call that when 'muricans are involved, to not strain their brains
But sounds like it's a bit more open than what we got. At least towards previous academic/theoretic education requirements. While its always possible to get back into an education track, it might be necessary to first get a degree that qualifies for higher ed
forest edge
btw if you really want to take a jab at the united states you should maybe look into your history to see who helped rebuild your country so that you can even have what you have now
clear ferry
We do primary - secondary - high school - college/university
glacial knot
but our school system is pretty complex. And in some aspects questionable because it places a lot of decisions and branching into the first couple years.
So I went through the straight to higher-ed way, which is probably the easiest way for "smart" people. If someone is slightly late bloomer or just in a bad situation early, then they might be fucked and it's harder (even if just socially, since school requires a social net to pay) to go that way later on
clear ferry
And for most non vocational classes on high school we get allmennfag which grants access to all higher education
If I went straight from high school vocational I would need to do one year of engineering prep before I did higher education
forest edge
just what is norways higher education?
clear ferry
But my wife did musical education in 2003, which included allmennfag so she just applied directly to university in 2015
We can do whatever we want mostly @forest edge
forest edge
do you have like one country university or what?
glacial knot
Did Norway do Bologna reform?
forest edge
does your education send you outside of norway in many paths?
clear ferry
Not a lot, some
glacial knot
What does the allmennfag translate to? All main courses?
clear ferry
We have a ton of foreign students coming here for education
@glacial knot general knowledge
glacial knot
ah, so closer to allgemeinbildung, hm. interesting naming
clear ferry
Includes certain knowledge of physics, chemistry, mathematics and some others
forest edge
nm i see
glacial knot
Did Norway do Bologna reform?
@clear ferry you do ECTS, right?
clear ferry
Yes
forest edge
ok what about those private institutions atx?
last cedar
higher education could never be covered by the government here
Not whilst rich people have the money to pay 20 million a year for the fees, nope
clear ferry
Private is a minimal part of the education system in Norway
forest edge
the private onjes can't be $50 a year can they?
clear ferry
Many of the private ones are out of pocket
glacial knot
Nobody cares about any of those here ๐
forest edge
Not whilst rich people have the money to pay 20 million a year for the fees, nop...
thankfully ours isn't that steep but it sure does eel like it to most
clear ferry
$5-7k a year
clear ferry
Usually only the 1% go to private , and they are just as bound to fail at getting a proper job as the rest
glacial knot
the big difference is in how they compete against each other
Our universities that are payed for from taxes are on the level of most american private institutions
forest edge
our popuilation size makes it impossible for there to be a staple goverment controled/funded education system for higher learning. we have it for everything below tho
clear ferry
I know two people who have went to private ones, they just end up working for their fathers ๐คฃ
glacial knot
the private stuff is really super niche and unimportant. It's as if you said that your higher ed is free because you got community colleges that nobody knows
hm, which EU country doesn't have free higher ed? UK, any other one? So by population that block is larger (and Bologna/ECTS makes sure that there's some cooperation and standardization between the countries.)
forest edge
@clear ferrydo you have to pay for schooling below college level?
glacial knot
unless you go to a private school that is
Which outside some rich kids, nobody does
did you get the books? Ours were owned by the school and we just borrowed them for the year
well, still are. But none of he ones I used should be in circulation by now
clear ferry
We got some, others were school property
Usually they were replaced every 3-5 years by the school
glacial knot
sounds about right. Outside 1 or 2 classes, where I got 20 year old books, because they never updated the content either way
and only adapted them to a year less secondary education ~3 years after they changed the curriculum ๐
I think I still have one of the old books somehwere. I should check if it still says West Germany
clear ferry
9
glacial knot
Are you trying to make a phonetic joke, or was that one a mistake?
clear ferry
Ja
glacial knot
kk
clear ferry
Oil, fish, machinery, weapons, aluminium, medical, steel and some more
forest edge
oil huh
somehow you guys managed to make a lot in a short duration and with such a small pop you splurged it on fancy crap like automated robots in hospitals etc but one day
that well will dry up
glacial knot
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/norwegians-millionaires-norways-sovereign-wealth-fund/story?id=21488085 they also have a state fund that outcompetes most indices and quite some high profile managed funds. Which is used, among other things, to fund the education and other social projects
Norway as a country is pretty cool. And most should try to aim and replicate some of their achievements
clear ferry
Yeah, which is why we are diverging already to other branches
forest edge
or you all will sink to hell literally lol
glacial knot
Norway's state out performs companies easily. While the size certainly helps to keep overhead reasonable, it's not just tiny and lucky
forest edge
it's location and pop size is the only reason why it is where it is
there is no doubt
clear ferry
Unlike the US Norway has no debt to other nations ๐คฃ
forest edge
not to mention with a few minor exceptions in the past most the world forgot they even existed
forest edge
it will all even out in the end atx, you mark my words
glacial knot
there's necessary and sufficient conditions
And the 2 of them are clearly not sufficient
and probably not even necessary
forest edge
it always does lol
glacial knot
Switzerland is another one that doesn't show up in most history books
also a pretty cool place to live in
And (not too surprising tbh. because they have it better) 2 countries that could be EU, but aren't
forest edge
I had really hoped this pandemic would have sparked some kind of change (other than the bullshit that did happen) with our country but it's only a matter of time before something does
like in that movie Pearl Harbor when that japanese general said, "I fear we had only awoken a giant"
forest edge
shouldn't post pictures of yourself, some of these sickos might do something dirty with them
clear ferry
Pretty close to my physique tbh
glacial knot
I wouldn't leave if I had your garage/cellar/workshop/whatever either
forest edge
i would. t any moment atx whole home could be swallowed by the earth
glacial knot
half your country gets blown away each year /shrug
forest edge
we don't have that many prostitutes but that is nice of you to say
glacial knot
I think there's more issues with flooded areas in US than Norway as well. Well, probably more total area than Norway. But even proportional
forest edge
yea but our shit isn't like lost to the abyss lol
forest edge
the land remains to be rebuilt on, not just become a yet another giant swimming pool 50 years later
glacial knot
Now you are just making fun of our dutch friends
forest edge
I really hate what cell phones have done to kids
clear ferry
glacial knot
mobile phones and kids?
forest edge
yea
all you ever see kids do these days is play on cell phones, glued to the fucking things 24/7
glacial knot
back in my days, we at least used Gameboys ๐
forest edge
everything off one plug lmao https://youtu.be/rKhZl18hI5I
glacial knot
Yes? They are 3.6kW capable
This looks like way less
young sigil
back in my days, we at least used Gameboys ๐
Back in my day we did wholesome things like head out bush and shoot sharpened sticks at each other with home made bow and arrows.
forest edge
I hope that is true tom because when I was younger we use to slingshot rocks at one another lol
hushed basalt
There's plenty of boomers with their heads stuck in facebook and mobile games
young sigil
I hope that is true tom because when I was younger we use to slingshot rocks at ...
Yep. It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye. Then it's fun and games without depth perception.
Though having said that a friend of a friend did lose an eye mucking about with acetylene bombs. Not something I want to experience again.
glacial knot
Back in my day we did wholesome things like head out bush and shoot sharpened st...
Oh, throwing people off of trees was fun
forest edge
acetylene bombs? he siphon it from a torch tnk?
forest edge
There's plenty of boomers with their heads stuck in facebook and mobile games
older people being just as bad is awful too but children is worse, those years are crucial for being physically active and learning the world around you through trial and error. growing up skipping all that is just bad
glacial knot
ah yes, feel the perpetual dumpster fire that is this world
glacial knot
Shall I .topic you and point to #general-archived ๐
But sounds like frontend to me
worldly axle
hi
clever mortar
Or how too many techs try to sort out mis-cabled racks - swap stuff randomly
clear ferry
this probably goes there
Now that I've started my SDN journey I'm really confused why companies gotta make their own terms for everything
Fucking cunts
clever mortar
Nope, nope, nope, hey, that lights up, shit it glows now, and there's smoke
worldly axle
upgrading a 12y old laptop is a good idea, right?
clear ferry
Fun fact when I hosted lan parties in the 00s, we had an old procurve as a core for one Lan party with 800 or so participants
When we passed 500 it just stopped switching
Lights went from flicking to steady green
The reason was windows7, the default lldp stuff really flooded the network
clever mortar
upgrading a 12y old laptop is a good idea, right?
If you mean replace then yes
clear ferry
12 year old laptop is great for... A makeshift server maybe, for upgrading it makes no sense as a new laptop in the low tier range will outperform it
Probably something in the $300 range will outperform it, and you'll spend at least that upgrading the old one
hushed basalt
Sigh dealing with other peoples crappy workmanship
I suspect they didn't prime the wall at all
clever mortar
Yeah, we'd lots of fun like that in the last house
worldly axle
If you mean _replace_ then yes
Replacing the hdd and battery
330GB HDD -> Samsung EVO 870 500GB
4400MAh -> 8800MAh
glacial knot
what CPU is in that laptop?
glacial knot
Werkgeheugen ๐
worldly axle
That's ram
glacial knot
IMO not worth it. Get something new. Can barely be worse
4G didn't look like L3 cache ๐ฎ
glacial knot
I'd spend a bit more and get something new. Unless there's a specific rason you want to keep the old one
or you are very money constrained
Just ask atx about laptops. He clearly has reasonable standards
clever mortar
Skeleton horse, please
glacial knot
Skeleton horse after it was killed again
clubbing stalhorses is a fun activity in BotW
clear ferry
Like I said
Any low tier modern laptop
Will be an upgrade
At roughly the same price as an upgrade will be
That laptop was low-end 12 years ago
forest edge
oh i dunno, i got 32gb of memory for cheap for my old dell off ebay. was like 20 bucks for 4 8gb sticks
upgraded the wifi in my dell netbook to wireless N for like 10 bucks lol
clear ferry
But was it 12 years old?
forest edge
both were made around 2005ish
forest edge
nah one was my old i7 desktop and the other was a netbook
infact I upgraded the 920 to a 975 exterme too for dirt cheap
forest edge
thats still 12 years
forest edge
i am tired i think it was 24, either way it was dirt cheap. not no $300
clear ferry
Sorry, 10+ year old tech is basically useless compared to modern stuff, unless it is medium / high end server stuff
forest edge
hardly useless, it's running frigate right now with no issues lol
worldly axle
At roughly the same price as an upgrade will be
The upgrade is around โฌ100
forest edge
infact I was just using it up till winter
it played every game i threw at it etc
thing is a beast
clear ferry
Have fun wasting money kids
A T4300 has a lower CPU rating than a raspberry pi 3b+
With a lot less features
forest edge
says the guy who's whole arsenal is comprised of work throw aways with aliexpress upgrades
half the shit you have likely has several layers of diffrent brand stickers placed over the top of one another while the other half has no markings at all came wrapped in toliet paper
forest edge
right now he's checking to see if some of shit has another brand sticker underneath the one on top
dusky plank
everyone knows a rpi is top notch high performance server gear
forest edge
gonna die laughing if one day all of atx's precious work servers get replaced with arm
clear ferry
@dusky plank atleast it is useful compared to a t4300
@forest edge more likely with openrisc
forest edge
is that still kicking?
clear ferry
Yes
dusky plank
I run a i7 3770T in a lenovo m92p tiny
how many rpis is that in your world?
fun thing I put a 3770 in there and the 70w psu coped with it until it hit ~70% load
dusky plank
still need to figure out how to pass through the intel hd 4000 on that
without it crashing the whole system
clear ferry
dusky plank
vms profit if you give them accelerated graphics
forest edge
I'll likely die of old age before openrisc becomes anything mainstream
I could be wrong, looks like they already put it on atleast one board
dusky plank
show me the openrpisc
forest edge
was pico something, i just closed the window lol
glacial knot
openrisc? I though they got essetnially superseeded by risc-v?
iirc. passthrough of apu GPUs is an unsolved problem
because they cheat a bit about memory access
forest edge
hving mixed feelings bout nvidi taking over arm if that ever were to happen
godamnit i can't even type at all anymore. going to bed
clear ferry
Nvidia will swallow all at the current pace
I'm still confused after they bought mellanox
dusky plank
apple silicon doubts that
deft pewter
You think they'll sell their chips for use in other non-Apple devices?
clever mortar
Sure, for a 30% cut of the total unit price
deft pewter
Yeah, so no-one will buy them ๐
glacial knot
and any transaction done via that device
deft pewter
They've made a new chip with its own architecture that only works with their devices... and they're a minority player in every market they're in.
glacial knot
the app price 30% at least got some justification
deft pewter
Naw. Not when most other markets take a lower cut.
clever mortar
Yeah, sure, they need that 30% to manage their services ๐
deft pewter
30% was pure greed. That's a massive cut just for a little bit of web traffic.
clever mortar
Yup
deft pewter
People shit on Epic but even they're fairer. Some numbers came out about what they pay devs for the exclusivity deals and they're pretty reasonable.
glacial knot
I don't care about the % number, if they want to duke that out, ok
But forcing apple pay as only payment option for IAP should be an anti-trust case that's persued by regulators and doesn't even invite apple to procedings, but just slaps them with fines over the entire income they generate that way every year
dusky plank
I'm not saying they give away their products for other vendors... I say they woke at least samsung and amd now to also make fast arm tech and put them in their devices
https://www.techadvisor.com/news/pc-components/samsung-exynos-arm-cpu-3802135/
deft pewter
Fines? You think they'll even pay? ๐
deft pewter
I'm not saying they give away their products for other vendors... I say they wok...
That sounds like collaboration to me. Apple will stamp that out if they get a chance...
glacial knot
Fines? You think they'll even pay? ๐
I wish EU had the balls to just throw them out if they don't. And put them on the black lists
Are there actual competitive exynos? iirc they have none that can really compete with snapdragon socs. Giving them another form factor doesn't make up for technical issues
clear ferry
I swear nsx-t is designed by someone who enjoys being flogged on their testicles with an electric rusty barbed wire covered in lemon juice
deft pewter
It wasn't me.
clear ferry
When you own the entire network stack, and you have a UI to configure the stuff, and you throw errors that point to the UUID of objects instead of their friendly names
Why the fuck would you do that
No biggie, someone just promised I'll figure this out, only worth around $1.4m in hours plus hardware
Now give me some hardware bitches
glacial knot
so people like you can ask for a good salary ๐
clear ferry
glacial knot
I broke my VPN setup earlier today trying to look at something
And with that, my keepass database that contains the AD login. I don't have a backup of that (for "reasons")
I'm looking forward to tomorow
clear ferry
Nsx-t is probably one of those products that is utter bullshit till suddenly it clicks
And then it's just smooth sailing
Keepass 
glacial knot
I literally mailed our IT why the fuck we are enforcing outdated security advice, that's by now adviced against by all major entities (NIST/BSI/...)
And if we can't drop the bullshittery with password cycling, whether we can at least introduce a password manager
"We use keepass internally" was the answer I got D:
deft pewter
Security keys ๐ฏ
clear ferry
Hi I'm Ongy, I work for a company in 2009
Y'all should change jobs before it is too late
glacial knot
Ha, you assume they alreadyhad passwords in 2009
deft pewter
Of course they had passwords. They were written on signs on the wall in case anyone forgot them.
hushed basalt
I got emailed AWS creds the other week
deft pewter
All in a single email?
clever mortar
Not like sending it in two emails back to back helps ๐
hushed basalt
They put it in a zip and messaged me the password
Credentials though ๐คข
Go STS or go home
deft pewter
Not like sending it in two emails back to back helps ๐
๐คทโโ๏ธ I'd rather have things split between different media. i.e. get your username on screen and password via email (still not perfect, I know).
At least with AWS, the IAM roles should be set to require you to change your password on first login.
hushed basalt
Access keys not console
deft pewter
For at least one of the accounts I use for work, that isn't the case ๐คข
Eww. Even worse.
Why don't they just email you your SSH key pairs too while they're at it?
hushed basalt
Yeah they should just set up an authorised organisation
deft pewter
If they do IAM properly, there should be no need for them to send you access keys. You should be able to create your own via the console as needed and they should have your account locked down to least privilege.
hushed basalt
Assume role with a trusted account, done
Using anything but federated SSO for aws creds ๐คข
deft pewter
I'm not on a federated account yet ๐
clear ferry
Don't tell Sonoma, I'm watching 60 minutes
deft pewter
Our DevOps peeps are. I think I'll ask why I'm not... they get the handy account switching dropdown at the top. I have to log in/out constantly if I'm working across accounts.
clear ferry
If they do IAM properly, there should be no need for them to send you access key...
Zero trust 
hushed basalt
I get a federated SSO access to all the accounts and roles I'm authorised to use
Then I can use a console or cli sso tool to login and get creds or console
Then I can use those roles to assume roles in other accounts if needed
clear ferry
Frome hence fourth thou shalt bee knownth as Mitchell @last cedar
deft pewter
night zodiac
I finally went to go put my computer parts together to make a computer and I realized my mobo has x2 ws2812b data outputs. neat/weird
night zodiac
I'm trying to get HA to run on my mac gen1, can anyone help? I am using the version that I found on the thing. I want to use these switches that I don't know where they came from and I want my carpet to suck up food.
gen 2, sorry
if anyone knows, please pm atx
night zodiac
I went to put my computer together but I fell into a deep sadness when I saw how ugly the PSU cables are so now I am waiting for PSU cables
too fookin ugleh
deft pewter
Ugly cables? A good case solves that - just hide them.
last cedar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/788111484042477659/843322821329682463/IMG...
That must be a photoshopped pic. No one has rtx cards!
night zodiac
๐ I got it at launch for MSRP through Amazon of all places. magic.
I had a reserved cart for another one through newegg too but I couldn't find anyone that wanted it within 24 hours and didn't feel like reselling.
night zodiac
fo sho
last cedar
Managed to grab a 5600X and 32GB RAM to go with it, so it should do well
Upgrading from a 2600K haha
night zodiac
I had a few motivations. My girlfriend wants one to play games with me, I wanted to be able to use a capture card, the anticheat I use for CS GO required me to disable hyper v which I use for work and it's annoying as fuck
mainly the last one
editing registry to play games is ๐ค
last cedar
Defo
night zodiac
the ryzen stuff looks great
that build will feel vrooom
should be able to play everything smoothly
tame sand
Found this killer deal on Amazon: https://www.amazon.de/Apple-Mac-Pro-Wheels-Kit/dp/B0875VYRPB
just 430,-โฌ
night zodiac
lel
I got one of those M1 MBA's and I love it
I still need to see if I can add the keyboard hotkeys I have on my main pc
I need to figure out capslock + <j,k,l,i> for arrow keys
last cedar
should be able to play everything smoothly
Mainly for minecraft.....
night zodiac
haha, dank shaders?
night zodiac
ahhh, iracing is neat. I never got good enough on assetto to move on to play with good people, haha
last cedar
Looks fun
night zodiac
I haven't hooked up the wheel in a while. I tried VR last time with it and nearly puked instantly so no more VR that moves
haven't VR'd since either, lel
felt awful
sildurs shaders is what I always used too
last cedar
I might get an eye tracker, but I think I would also be the same with VR. I get dizzy in VR if standing up
Tried the PS4 one about 2 years ago
deft pewter
Raccoons shouldn't stand up.
night zodiac
I love to waste time in dirt rally
night zodiac
becoming a little missile based off of your passengers calls feels neat
maybe VR would be smoother for my stomach with a better card
Idk what FPS I was getting
last cedar
Mmmm, not sure if todays VR is better than that I tried
deft pewter
Someone can't spell raccoon ๐
last cedar
Minor detail
young sigil
My mind is no longer blown.
glacial knot
atx in the kitchen
orchid rose
add a few of those and you don't have to turn it on either
clear ferry
Interesting.....
glacial knot
you can probably use that to have HP furnish your kitchen
clear ferry
HP ๐คข
glacial knot
or Dell. I don't care
forest edge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/788111484042477659/843322821329682463/IMG...
that third connection for the led? lol
night zodiac
I have a feeling my office is going to be warmer
clever mortar
clear ferry
deft pewter
I know this feeling too well.
clear ferry
The tour of the Intel fab plant in the previous episode of 60 minutes was insane
Very good segment overall
forest edge
still watching those old reruns of 60 minutes huh
clear ferry
Yes, last weeks rerun
glacial knot
*600 servers
deft pewter
Why not both?
hushed basalt
600 waffles
deft pewter
600kg of raw meat for breakfast
grave roost
hi all!
i have a really stupid question and a plan of attack if nobody else has any ideas
dusky plank
if itโs about raw meat go ahead
grave roost
haha
dusky plank
if itโs about HA you better not look for advice in this specific channel
grave roost
ah not so specifically about HA which is why i'm on offtopic ๐
i have 2x google homes and the timer functionality is SO ANNOYING
green inlet
That would be #voice-assistants-archived
grave roost
ah thanks!
hushed basalt
forest edge
@tidal bronze shocking your state is on fire.. again
clear ferry
clear ferry
forest edge
was half expecting one of the pages to be a birth certificate with the origin of Norway on it
forest edge
wouldn't it be better to just bite the bullet and go solar/wind?
I thought the "green" route was way cheaper over seas
low harness
The problem with solar is that it's getting cheaper too fast.
Say you invest in solar power and save 5 monetary units in power over the next five years - not counting the investment.
Well, in five years, you can get the same solar power system 10 monetary units cheaper...
forest edge
yea but they generally have a 30-35 year life span
and that's average. i think people here have had the same panels in operation for alot longer
low harness
Yes, so you can
A: Invest now and save 5 x 7 = 35 units over the next 35 years
B: Wait five years, invest 10 units less and save 5 x 6 units over the next 30 years = 40 units over 35 years
C: Wait five years, get a better system for the same cost and save 7 x 6 over the next 30 years = 42 units over 35 years
or D: Have the same argument again in five years, realize it still holds true and keep waiting indefinitely
The fast development actually makes it a risky investment.
forest edge
yea sounds like option D is likely going to be what would happen if you don't take the nestle plunge
low harness
Paradoxically
forest edge
one thing about investing now over later is that you already know what to expect, have everything needed for the setup already in place so any time you need to change your panels it would be even cheaper than if you started out from fresh
batteries is the real issue
been seeing mixed reviews on the longevity of the tesla power walls all while keep reading about new batt tech just around the corner
low harness
Yeah, we are actually closing in on to the physical limits of conventional battery technology pretty fast. And all other alternatives tend to explode, as I understand.
low harness
Well... Iโm glad I didnโt spend $100 on a piece of cardboard just to find out Nintendo did everything wrong with BOTW VR...
deft pewter
I worry for humanity.
last cedar
wouldn't it be better to just bite the bullet and go solar/wind?
I want a fleet of panels on the roof eventually
green inlet
I do also....just doesnโt seem financially prudent.
low harness
Linus did an episode on those. Turns out it's a letter holder with a hole cut through it. They even found the exact one.
But it does indeed cut down on non-harmful electromagnetic radiation.
clear ferry
@last cedar tibber
clever mortar
Anybody using a Eufy camera that's connected to their cloud service should look at #cameras-archived
signal turtle
lol loved the spiel about the discord logo when I signed in today
dusky plank
subtle pasture
I worry for humanity.
Indeed...
inner vault
how quick to judge, that was probably just to add safety support structure to the grocery bag she was filling ๐
deft pewter
I think that's the best one I've seen so far.
Another 12sec/km off my shitty pace. This exercise thing people talk about actually works ๐ฎ
last cedar
Another 12sec/km off my shitty pace. This exercise thing people talk about actua...
Sorry, I stole a bit from your watch. You are not any faster, clock is running slower
static schooner
that happens as you approach the speed of light
clear ferry
I lolled irl
deft pewter
Well I'm closer to the speed of light than I was before. Your logic is sound.
deft pewter
How'd you get that footage?
last cedar
YES!!!!
clear ferry
last cedar
deft pewter
I'm sure I saw merch with that on if you want to buy steal some.
deft pewter
It's funny doing online coding exercises and seeing other people's longwinded solutions ๐ค
Someone came up with this: https://exercism.io/tracks/typescript/exercises/leap/solutions/bfe6645dc3614ff9af4b20eed92b6f75
I thought mine was bad: https://exercism.io/tracks/typescript/exercises/leap/solutions/d64734ea3674421b8ca486259da919f2
D'oh, that link won't work... updated
deft pewter
Me too ๐
last cedar
Yaml is at least understandable
It is always the spaces that bite me in the bum
And yes, I am an uncivilised oaf who call yaml coding
deft pewter
At least you recognise that it's not really ๐
I thought it would be the possums that bite you in the bum.
lofty orchid
As part of the computer museum project I'm working on, I was able to integrate with home assistant so a ha script can make things appear on the terminal attached to a pi using shell commands combined with ssh and ttyecho. I did it to my vt220, the museum has an adm31, setup should be the same.
last cedar
VERY nice!!!!
lofty orchid
For the museum we are gonna use it for welcome/goodbye messages as well as launch c3270 to connect to ibm emulation, probably more stuff to but those are the current to do items
dusky plank
space impact, please
lofty orchid
My vt220 could probably do it, the adm31 is older and has trouble with some types of characters and has a max baud rate of 9600
deft pewter
But can they run Pong?
lofty orchid
as long as I can find an terminal ascii version the vt220 could do it, adm is too slow
with the VT220 pi I set it up to be a bluetooth music visualizer. with the shell commands I can launch the visualizer, I am going to try to get the bluetooth speaker connected so I play stuff from ha/launch visualizer
deft pewter
I mean... that's me at the day job too.
6 hours of debugging beats all the hours I spent today writing unit tests.
dusky plank
that's the norm with tests
worldly axle
h
dusky plank
yeah, proper H helps for sure
dusky plank
go. away.
worldly axle
No
worldly axle
๐ข
deft pewter
that's the norm with tests
I started using Wallaby.js as part of my workflow. It's making unit tests a lot quicker, since I get feedback on both coverage and pass/fail in real time. Just needs quite a bit of tweaking to get it to work with the repos I'm working on atm.
I wouldn't normally pay for a license for stuff like that but it's honestly pretty amazing.
deft pewter
Eh. I'd be lying if I said I did TDD... ๐
If I'm fixing up a bug, sure. It's easy to write the tests first for the expected behaviour. But when building out a whole system? We're never given a good enough spec to write tests before code, so there's a lot of... experimentation... before the code works ๐
dusky plank
forest edge
computer museums lol kind of a harsh term to discribe @clear ferry tech store.
real frigate
mono: (AWS question): Have you done anything with Cloud Formation and Lambda deployments?
deft pewter
Yes.
real frigate
Ok, so, I have a CF template that creates a Lambda that has 6 S3 triggers. For the f'ing life of me, I cannot get the triggers created while the lambda forms. The 6 S3 buckets are all existing already. Any ideas?
deft pewter
Does this help? https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/cloudformation-s3-notification-lambda/
real frigate
It does... I didn't have the InvokePermission set. Thanks!
Been slamming my head against that all...friggin'...day!!!
hushed basalt
tidal bronze
@forest edge I saw some smoke
forest edge
you should be use to that by now
now i know why i don't see the "come to sunny california" commercials anymore lol
tidal bronze
Was too drunk on the flight back from Vegas to make sense of anything.
forest edge
too drunk? what are you wino
tidal bronze
Thank you for keeping an eye out for Cali affairs. What would we do with out you. ๐
forest edge
well shit you seem to be too inebriated to know wtf your flying into, someone has to keep an eye out
tidal bronze
Lmao.
hushed basalt
clear ferry
Hello yesterday @hushed basalt !
hushed basalt
I'm used to you being yesterday
With your primitive timezones
Also I don't spend all day on disco like you
clear ferry
hushed basalt
worldly axle
can this run Home Assistant in a VM?
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
None of that here, #general-archived could help you though
forest edge
pretty sure if atx can get it running on an HP you could get it to run on just about everything
clever mortar
NetBSD runs on toasters, and has Python, so .... ๐
last cedar
is that a bulge or are you just happy to charge me <@!300242410338910209> ?
Just happy to overcharge you and let all your gasses escape
low harness
What's home assistant?
Hey! No questions about that here!
forest edge
only openhab questions are allowed
low harness
I'll allow Domoticz too.
hushed basalt
glacial knot
how do I uninstall openhab?
static schooner
Nuke it from orbit. Itโs the only way
clever mortar
for TARGET in /dev/[sh]d*
do dd if=/dev/zero of=${TARGET}
done
hearty depot
bitter pawn
this is why you test batteries every 30 days on your ups
before it gets to that point
last cedar
Those are from a battery backup for a door entry system. The company who installed it didn't program the system to react to a loss of 230 or battery problems. It has probably been like that for at least a year. Maybe 2
I had to use a crow bar to seperate the batteries to get them out haha
@bitter pawn
bitter pawn
oof
door entry aka access control.
usually they have big boxes that hold the batteries semi-loose as they know its a replenishable
e.g.
@last cedar
but those systems will let you know anyways when the batteries are going bad. plus the systems start acting wonky
last cedar
These ones are stable with bad batteries (unless 230 goes)
It does warn, but that wasn't programmed. It was when I left though haha
2 seperate boxes. Batteries sit fairly ok :)
The ones with 45Ah batteries in are strapped in, for safety
deft pewter
I have two questions:
- what kind of fancy ass houses are you servicing that have such elaborate security systems?
- do you still manage to steal their doormats?
last cedar
It is a school
But I am going to have one of those at home :D
And yeah, schools have many doormats. Best pickings
We have one school with about 20 of those psus
All with 4x45Ah batteries :/
deft pewter
Schools are weird houses. People there in the day but not at night ๐ค
deft pewter
That's a lemur ๐ค
last cedar
Lemuoon
glacial knot
get a clip for the GPU ones
low harness
I finally realized why you make me want to rewatch Futurama!
night zodiac
Bite my shiny metal ass
night zodiac
One of the best shows ever made
clear ferry
https://open.spotify.com/track/6nMljASSmb0BJDbMGb3bYG?si=LEl6SXRJT0eCS3yD1J769w&utm_source=copy-link
Fun fact for you, the Norwegian state owns 1.5% of all stocks in the world
deft pewter
That's not bad for 57 people.
clear ferry
Quiet down there Sonoma 2.0
glacial knot
I wonder
Do norwegians have unique names in their country?
bitter pawn
I have two questions:
- what kind of fancy ass houses are you servicing that hav...
lolz yeah no only businesses
glacial knot
20 people can't be that hard to keep distinct names for
clear ferry
We just do numbers
glacial knot
ahh. When are you expected to hit 4 digits?
clear ferry
2525
glacial knot
I should move and make you hit it by 2524
clear ferry
9
glacial knot
I'm pretty sure we went above 35C the last couple years. But I'm too dumb to find any values right now
clever mortar
If it got to 35C here then the world would end
deft pewter
I'm sure the UK's got the narrowest band of temperatures we consider comfortable. Over 20 - too hot. Under 10 - too cold.
And dog forbid it gets cold enough for a few flakes of snow... the roads will be shut.
glacial knot
I hope the lower band is below -10
deft pewter
Nope. 10 degrees Celsius. Anything lower and people cry.
glacial knot
then again, you island weirdos are weirdos
deft pewter
Personally, I think everything between about 5 and 25 is comfortable, and I'll happily wear a t-shirt in that range.
clever mortar
I'm sure the UK's got the narrowest band of temperatures we consider comfortable...
Under 10 is fine up here, that's a nice day
Anything from about 5 to 20 is good, 20 to about 22 is warm, and above 22 is nope ๐
clever mortar
The Tube in summer is ... hell
Some of the trains have AC these days, so they're not so bad, but the other lines ... 
clear ferry
Well, the wait on the side of the track doesn't have ac ๐คฃ
glacial knot
I refuse to use trains without AC in summer
then again, DB has trains with ACs that fail in summer. Because they run too hot :/
clever mortar
Trains up here have windows, not AC ๐
clear ferry
Only place I ever use trains or tubes is in the UK anyway
glacial knot
pff, leaving the EU
clever mortar
For work travel around the UK I generally prefer trains over flights unless there's a time crunch
glacial knot
might as well jump off this planet
glacial knot
is puke on puke in agreement, or disagreement?
clear ferry
Then I can buy that cottage in Somerset easier
hot roost
clever mortar
Nothing is constant, except change
static schooner
deep
dusky plank
orchid rose
At least it looks modern and professional
deft pewter
Unlike the new macOS with the 3 mile gap between each icon.
deft pewter
I think S02E06 of Love, Death and Robots is going to give me nightmares...
last cedar
Any tv show without raccoons will give nightmares
deft pewter
This one might have been a raccoon...
last cedar
๐ป ๐ฆ ๐ป
brisk glen
naa if MS designed macos, there would be grayed out icons you can use yet everywhere
lapis cipher
best picture of atx above i've seen ^ ๐
deft pewter
atx has less hair. Maybe it's an old photo.
lapis cipher
yeah, looks "young and wild" (and before filling up garage with racks and shit)
lapis cipher
no wonder y'all oil billionaires
tidal bronze
Fun fact indeed
tidal bronze
Now it all makes sense, why ATX is so into US affairs and wellbeing, 99% of Norway economy relies on apple and Facebook. ๐
brisk glen
cloudflare argo tunnel to HA...
clear ferry
Yes, our investments in third world countries is important quad
deft pewter
Are you lost, Michael?
clear ferry
He usually is
tidal bronze
@clear ferry perhaps should strive to invest in yourselves. Then no need to poke your diamond hands in 3rd world affairs. I mean if there's anything to invest in ๐
brisk glen
@deft pewter lost in the free cloudflare argo tunnel, it looks like I can also include other ports like for irc
deft pewter
No need to tag me...
dusky plank
nothing is wrong with port forwarding
if your layer 7 is insecure it's also insecure via cloudflares argo tunnel
deft pewter
It's mostly the layer 8 insecurities I worry about.
brisk glen
old irc habits
layer 7 is good with mutlifactor auth, it would just free up my upload from china
as I could block them at cf level and have nothing of interest
dusky plank
you better run opnsense on your UDM
brisk glen
dont have a UDM, need to upgrade my old router ๐
wtf, neighbors upstairs just demolished a bed?
deft pewter
Boing boing
clear ferry
Not had your house invaded by gun toting crackheads recently? Just the upstairs neighbors then
brisk glen
or evicted
deft pewter
Sounds like an amazing neighbourhood.
deft pewter
I have never lived in a neighbourhood with gun-toting crackheads, no.
clear ferry
Or random evictions?
deft pewter
I occasionally get called a wanker. That's about as violent as it gets here.
deft pewter
Must be fun living somewhere so classy. I'm jealous.
brisk glen
how far north must I go before it peaceful? Canada?
clever mortar
North Pole
deft pewter
The Canadians don't want you ๐
clever mortar
But they'll be nice about it
deft pewter
North Pole
Nor does Santa.
clever mortar
Well, he wants the material for making the next round of toys
Those replicators need feedstock
worldly axle
deft pewter
What the duck is that.
static schooner
evolution in action
worldly axle
Our brains are evolving
deft pewter
I think it would make flight impractical.
worldly axle
We will be smarter than humans
forest edge
I occasionally get called a wanker. That's about as violent as it gets here.
your wife calling you by your nickname doesn't count ||OOOooooOO||
worldly axle
forest edge
this animal furry shit in this channel is starting to get out of hand
forest edge
like furries
worldly axle
Im a duck, not a furry
static schooner
going to take a long time to fill pillows that way
forest edge
anyone in here play star citizen?
tidal bronze
@forest edge I thought you were one, why do you have to play one ๐ค
forest edge
har har har. I think your drink is getting alittle low lol
tidal bronze
Nopes. Started at 10AM. Right level last I checked.
Although spicy Cajun bloody Mary is little rough on the edges for AM
forest edge
started at 10am? maybe you should stop pulling that 55 gallon barrel around on wheels and a long curly straw
tidal bronze
Pulling? No way. It's on stepper driven mecanum wheels
forest edge
oh my bad.. i forgot you like to skip the straw and just submerge yourself inside and inhale lol
deft pewter
anyone in here play star citizen?
I'd forgotten about that vaporware.
forest edge
yea it was a real stain when it first came out. but apparently they have changed some stuff so you don't have to sink 1000's of real money to play the damn thing
deft pewter
Play it? It's actually in a playable state now after what, 7 years?
I think the last update I heard about it was that they'd split out the core game into two games or something.
So really, all those people that sunk thousands only get half what they thought they were getting...
deft pewter
Crowdfunding can be a good idea. Crowdfunding everything isn't.
And the one that annoys me the most... well-established businesses with cash reserves using crowdfunding ๐คข
forest edge
it will be a mmo and then a single player game. those who invested it long ago get both at no additional cost
deft pewter
They want the buyers to take all the risk.
forest edge
and yea it's playable, has missions, and all kinds of stuff
I think it's no longer alpha but is like some kinda of beta
they certainly tarnished their rep with thier choices but at the same time they kind of went from trying to make one game to a be all end all game which didn't help the rep but also made it better for those who only paid like 30 bucks in the start lol
deft pewter
Yeah. Going all-out from the beginning was the problem. I don't think they've ever heard of minimal viable products.
If you want a fun little game that only costs a fraction of what Star Citizen does, check out Islanders.
No need to pay thousands for pixels.
forest edge
45 bucks is not exactly high
bitter pawn
also crowdfunding leads to sticky fingers for game directors..
forest edge
it's about average
bitter pawn
js
deft pewter
$45 for a game I actually receive is fine. $45 for something that's still not released 7 years later isn't.
orchid rose
Love that duck being vacuumed. I can totally see myself there if I had feathers
Weirdly ASMR
deft pewter
Whatever floats your boat
orchid rose
Woah, triggered boomers spotted ๐
deft pewter
People not liking the same things as you makes them neither triggered nor boomers.
dull chasm
so i have not had time to keep up but i come back and I still see @clear ferry talking about the us ........Must be some sort of attraction otherwise you would ignore..... @tidal bronze i see you give good advice and @forest edge you are not challenging atx enough .........
@deft pewter at least you seem happy where you are and not talking shit about everyone elses conditions ......
orchid rose
Mono is more than happy to shit on the rest of us Euros, but hopefully we can all take a joke or two
eager geyser
where can i ask a. question about entities
dull chasm
@eager geyser just ask and you will be answered or redirected
tidal bronze
@dull chasm good to hear from you man. How you been ? Well you know all for love they say ๐
dusky plank
Vas has already given up I see ๐
eager geyser
i have a custom integration that shows stats in color bars, but i want it to show it as a graph (like a termometer) https://imgur.com/a/uiYmCcp
is this possible?
dull chasm
@tidal bronze tired .....this last year and this 70-80 weeks are tiresome ...and moving on top of that ...and you
static schooner
@eager geyser That is a #frontend-archived question, and you need to add a unit_of_measurement
eager geyser
oh ok
dull chasm
@eager geyser yes thats it ...my brain is fried ^^^^
thanks Rob
such a simple question should be answered ....easy enough
@tidal bronze good ...slow i am not used to it yet
tidal bronze
You should use a cooling pi case that @forest edge sells
dull chasm
@forest edge must be awol
deft pewter
Mono is more than happy to shit on the rest of us Euros, but hopefully we can al...
I don't remember shitting on Europe ๐คทโโ๏ธ
dull chasm
you did ...it was a drunk night in bangkok
bitter pawn
Major Spoiler
eager geyser
ayyy it worked thanks @static schooner i just added
@property
def unit_of_measurement(self):
"""Return the unit of measurement of this entity, if any."""
return self._unit_measurement
your welcom @eager geyser we pay him well @static schooner
@tidal bronze damn this kinda looks like the old days of code in the chit chat
tidal bronze
Lol.
static schooner
I didn't realize that you were actually writing an integration, but yeah, that's how you could do that
static schooner
you can actually do that in Python
dull chasm
i know and why are we not doing it ....tsk tsk
@tidal bronze even learned the value of it with the rabbits and his keto .....lets not fight it and share
deft pewter
Islanders really is a pretty little game:
dusky plank
looks like trash island
tidal bronze
@dull chasm anything new from aventage ?
dusky plank
dull chasm
you know i havent even checked lately ....i have been so busy ....audio is kinda been on hold
tidal bronze
Gotta stop now and then, smell the roses
dull chasm
yes sir ...hopefully here in the next six months .... goverment everybody expects everything and there is just so much money and people
orchid rose
I don't remember shitting on Europe ๐คทโโ๏ธ
My bad then. I always thought it was back-and-forth with you
hushed basalt
