the-water-cooler

[clear ferry]

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2391843/

This is great btw

[glacial knot]

still more than twice what I pay for the simple stuff I use currently^^

[forest edge]

don't mind @clear ferry most the stuff he buys for cheap is actually just relabeled trash. the chinese slap a 10gb sticker over the top of a fast ethernet switch and he gobbles that shit up

[dusky plank]

the tag color did change? 🤔

[clear ferry]

Having fun recabling my rack today, my daughter is very helpful

https://tenor.com/view/chicas-malas-hit-and-run-bye-dad-bad-girl-gif-9152616

[forest edge]

tag color?

[dusky plank]

was it always like this?

[forest edge]

it's a recent change just like the emotes such as

🤢

reactions i mean

[dusky plank]

that looks the same as before?

[forest edge]

not to me, they have a blue border around them and it shows the number even if only one person attached to it

[clear ferry]

🤢 🤢 🤢

[forest edge]

looks like crap compared to the old way to me

[chilly nymph]

Finally going to get some to installing my structured networking box, hopefully this weekend or next. Now to decide if I want to run power to it or just go POE...

[low harness]

Hm... jailbroken itags, huh? That’s potentially interesting wrt the UWB radio chip which normally costs 10 times as much...

[dusky plank]

still looks the same for me

[clear ferry]

Itag

[dusky plank]

oh now it's got the border

[green inlet]

Auh.....you are indeed

[clear ferry]

[midnight adder]

Random question, but are goods imported from china/overseas required by law to state the contents on the packaging label?

[clever mortar]

Yes/no/maybe

Oddly the answer will depend on .... where in the world you are

[clear ferry]

I have gotten packages weighing 5kgs with gift and value $1 in the past, I don't mind 🤣

[clever mortar]

My two Aqara cubes that arrived today were $4 worth of documents...

[swift niche]

If you are using PM in the Home Assistant Forums can you add a second or third person to the PM thread? Never mind, I just found it.

[opaque girder]

I heard lots are changing EU wide though regarding "gifts" from China

[deft pewter]

They can't really stop the practice unless they check every parcel... and that's not really a viable option.

Most will slip through the random spot checks they do now.

[opaque girder]

Tbf so far I haven't had any issues

but everything I order is always small packages which I suppose helps

[subtle pasture]

I mean, it is, it's just expensive to implement. You'd need to scan every package with a back-scattering X-ray scanner, and then use software object recognition to determine which parcels have a high likelihood of containing contraband

Set those specific ones aside for humans to check manually

in before "shielded USPS boxes"

[deft pewter]

Sure, there are technical solutions... but they all drive up costs. I don't think any border service is going to bother.

They'll be more interested in drugs/weapons anyway. Not 'gifts'.

I'd be surprised if they're not already using X-ray to detect those... but Tinkerer's Aqara cubes? They don't care.

[clear ferry]

Even you don't care

[deft pewter]

I love it when stuff comes in and doesn't have duty on it.

My keyboard would've been expensive if they caught it 😂

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I've haven't had duty on stuff for over a decade, but the Norwegian government have signed deals with eBay and AliExpress to add duty in the stores

But it is still 50% less than buying it in Norway, so I don't care much

Finally bothered linking up the 7 additional NICs of my vSphere lab, and the additional nic of my truenas

And got lacp and vlans going there too

My daughter was very helpful

cables daddy? Help?

https://tenor.com/view/network-confused-john-travolta-wire-gif-5799547

[fallow karma]

Hello there

[dusky plank]

they can, at least here… 📦 we do get the 30 series quite easy though 🥳

[clear ferry]

Still waiting for my new laptop

My manager has threatened them with me buying it locally

Then bill them

It costs around $3000 locally

Their internal price is $1700

[dusky plank]

buy it. do it. return it when you have yours

hint: you will never get it

[deft pewter]

While you're waiting for your laptop, here's another gadget you'll love: https://nerdist.com/article/tail-company-bluetooth-animatronic-tail-kickstarter/

[noble pivot]

Hey Mono, thanks for the tip about monit yesterday. Seems simple and effective. Its working nicely 🙂

[deft pewter]

So customisable too.

I think you'd be hard pushed to find something you couldn't monitor with it.

[noble pivot]

Yeah, seems very capable. I think I thought i needed a lot of fluff I really didn't.

[peak mountain]

LOL

[static schooner]

Unlike monoit, where you hire mono to keep an eye on your devices

[deft pewter]

He wanted a free tool.

I'm an expensive tool.

[noble pivot]

Beat me to it !!

[deft pewter]

If there's one thing I'm good at, it's self-deprecating humour.

[green inlet]

Tax evasion in all these countries outside the US.......then come here and bang on the US 🤣👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🤣

[deft pewter]

I've never evaded tax 🤷‍♂️

I'm just not going to complain if a vendor doesn't declare it...

Their actions, not mine.

[green inlet]

An honest man would inform their government and request the proper amount be billed

[deft pewter]

My government already gets around a third of my income from me. I'd say that's plenty, especially compared to the States 😉

[green inlet]

Lmao.....ouch

[deft pewter]

Then there's the 20% sales tax on what's left when I choose to spend it...

[worldly axle]

why did u change ur pfp

[deft pewter]

So, yeah... forgive me for not voluntarily handing over more money to them.

[green inlet]

20% sales tax.....you should move to the states 🤣

You would be rich

I pay a whooping 7% I think

And I hate that on big purchases

[worldly axle]

we have 21%

[green inlet]

Man....so like when you buy a car, 1/5 of your monthly payment goes to taxes

[subtle pasture]

Or you just buy it outright and don't have a monthly payment 🤔

Make it back on all the money you saved by not paying interest, and not needing full coverage for X years

[green inlet]

Well, still, 1/5 of your cost going to taxes

But I am with you 100% on cash payments

I own 4 cars.....no car payments....but, we have a mini junkyard in our driveway every night 🤣

[worldly axle]

I have nothing

[green inlet]

With nothing also comes no stress and no headaches

[worldly axle]

but I have school

[subtle pasture]

Still blows that our system that effectively punishes people who don't have enough money... by effectively charging them more money, spread out over time

"Oh, you have $25,000 + tax to buy this car outright? Done. No interest payments, and you can choose whatever insurance coverage you want"

[worldly axle]

not in the netherlands

u get money here

[subtle pasture]

"Oh, you need an auto loan? This is gonna cost you $35,000 over the course of the loan, AND the loan company requires full coverage, so that's gonna be expensive too..."

Also, the entire time you're paying that loan back, inflation of the US dollar + depreciation of the asset is fucking you 😄

it's just a super bad deal all around

Also, if taxes increase, your projected total payment for that loan can go up drastically

[green inlet]

I am confused.....you are mad at car companies, insurance companies, or the rich?

[subtle pasture]

All of the above 😄

[green inlet]

And your proposed change?

[worldly axle]

karen alert?!

[subtle pasture]

@worldly axle Socialist leftists are Karens now? 😂

[worldly axle]

it was a joke lol

[green inlet]

But @subtle pasture , you see all the socialists complaining about all the taxes they pay. You pay one way or another

[subtle pasture]

@green inlet Single-payer insurance (all insurance. health, care, home, etc), and a steeply progressive tax that heavily leans on the wealthiest members of society.

[green inlet]

Isn’t single payer Obamacare?

No one liked Obamacare

[subtle pasture]

That's just healthcare, and republicans kinda ruined it by eliminating the individual mandate

it was entirely self-funded before that happened

Also, Obamacare was meant to be significantly more expansive than it was, but again, it wouldn't pass the Republican senate... even though it was basically the same healthcare bill proposed by republicans in the 90's, under Clinton.

There's a mind-blower: Republicans tried to pass what was effectively Obamacare, decades before Obamacare...

"Oh, wait, it's the democrats proposing the same policy? Down-vote it into oblivion!"

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/quiet-shaggy-scooby-doo-gif-5031765

[green inlet]

I don’t want to get into politics....but I can almost 100% guarantee they weren’t the same. Anyway, I don’t rely on governments to fix thing. I follow the current policy and help people as much as I can locally. Anyway I can. History has shown that anyone that relies on governments to fix problems....anywhere during any time prob has found themselves less than satisfied

[forest edge]

that only goes so far lol

[green inlet]

Even 🌈 🦄 and 🧚 (Norway) people complaining about the crazy taxes they pay

[subtle pasture]

About the only difference between the bills was how they were funded, and the original bill proposed in the 90's would have offered more expensive coverage than what eventually got passed under Obama 🤷‍♀️

[green inlet]

It goes farther than any government has....in my book

[clear ferry]

Eh, I've never complained about my taxes

[green inlet]

Up there^^^^^^you were evading taxes on purchases 😉

[forest edge]

it's the reason you pay 3x+ in medical

[clear ferry]

Nah, they were doing it for me

I had no hand in it

[green inlet]

#the-water-cooler message

[subtle pasture]

Sorry, I'm a little raw on this issue because my private health insurance has been a nightmare as of late. Kaiser Permanente can go screw themselves 😂

[green inlet]

I have something called employer funded health insurance because I worked hard and got a good job 😉

[forest edge]

and that dosen't change

[clear ferry]

I tried, but nobody replied at [e-mail]

[green inlet]

🤣

[subtle pasture]

healthcare should not be dependent upon employment. That just makes you even more of a wage slave...

[forest edge]

yet you still pay more than most other countries lol

[clear ferry]

Government health care

[green inlet]

I have work to do....you guys talk amongst yourselves

https://tenor.com/view/i-like-to-stir-the-pot-heart-stirring-bad-girls-club-gif-15914887

@subtle pasture, single payer hearthcare was tried and failed miserably in the us.

[green inlet]

No I don’t. Not if you include their taxes. Look up at what mono is paying

[subtle pasture]

It's actually still significantly better than the nothing we had previously, and I don't see the other party doing any kind of healthcare reform... they had 4 years where they owned all 3 branches of government, and didn't come up with anything better

[green inlet]

Lmao....your party is at the helm

By the way, I don’t have a party

🤣

[subtle pasture]

Not really. We have the presidency, but that doesn't actually mean as much as you'd think

[deft pewter]

Maybe a little less politics and a little more raccoon posts pls?

[forest edge]

this is why it continues to keep going. all they gotta do is convince enough of you that your not in the same boat as your neighbors and you lap it up like a overheated dog in front of the water bowl lol

[green inlet]

Uhm....Trump did whatever he wanted

[subtle pasture]

Well, he said he wanted healthcare reform... and that didn't happen 🤷‍♀️

[green inlet]

Biden is possible a vagina

And again, we aren’t supposed to be doing politics

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/politics-british-dominic-cummings-spitting-gif-19041153

[green inlet]

And I am supposed to be working 🤣

I laugh when people want things free....nothing is free. Someone pays somewhere.

[forest edge]

it's not about wanting free

[green inlet]

You want the rich to pay for it

[deft pewter]

Move on, please...

[subtle pasture]

I mean, they benefit disproportionately from the existence of society as a whole, so yes.

[forest edge]

if you knew you could charge the dude across the street 3x the price then what you could charge your neighbor on your left.. you would do it.. and that is what the private sector in this country is doing lol

[green inlet]

No....that’s just it...I wouldn’t. Because I have morals and ethics

[forest edge]

then you should be just as upset as most everyone else

because that is still what is happening under your nose

[green inlet]

Not my nose....

[forest edge]

yes even yours

you just don't know it

[green inlet]

You don’t even know if I have a nose

You have never seen me

[forest edge]

true, you could be half norwegian

[subtle pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/voldemor-harrypotter-mechant-sorcier-magie-noir-gif-12511017

[green inlet]

But not my nose

But like Mono said.....we need to move on

[green inlet]

I saw this but things were moving so fast....I am sorry for this. All of my kids were born at Kaiser and we got nothing but the best care. My wife was in the hospital for close to 3 months

[subtle pasture]

I'd barely trust Kaiser to handle removing my appendix, at this point...

They've straight-up prescribed me medication I was allergic to without actually checking first. That was fun.

[green inlet]

If there was something I could do to help, I most certainly would

[subtle pasture]

Gotta love going into anaphylactic shock while in the middle of driving yourself home because you're allergic to the oil in the injection they just gave you.

And they gave zero warning that that was a thing that could happen.

[forest edge]

mistakes do happen

[subtle pasture]

That's.. a pretty big mistake...

[forest edge]

yes it is, but they can happen at any point regardless

[subtle pasture]

If they'd held me for observation for 15 minutes, it would have been caught in the office. They actually do this for the COVID vaccine (at least at the pharmacy where I got it), which makes total sense

Kaiser still hasn't adjusted their policy. They just send people out the door...

[forest edge]

yea this pandemic as highlighted a lot of shit many saw before and those who refuse to see the issues just keep on ignoring it lol

[subtle pasture]

I'm just lucky I didn't get into a car accident while fighting the urge to pass out, wheeling myself to the ER...

[forest edge]

personally I think we deserve most of the shit that happens to us in this country

[subtle pasture]

Oh, and then I got charged $800 for the ER visit, which I had to dispute, because it was Kaiser's screwup

And was, at one point, told that if I didn't want an ER bill I should have gone to the members-only ER on the 3rd floor...

[forest edge]

I doubt you can sue as well, they likely had you sign something that waved your right to have that chance lol

[subtle pasture]

I'm like... how the fuck was I supposed to do that in the condition I was in? Just... yikes...

Icing on the cake: The version of the drug that uses a different oil that I'm not allergic to? Not covered. $380 a refill...

I moved all my prescriptions to Amazon after that fiasco. $58 for the same drug, even though they don't take my insurance, which wouldn't cover it anyway...

I'm very, very done with Kiaser, but it's all my employer offers! Whee!

[subtle pasture]

I didn't sign anything at the office visit, but I'm sure it's in my membership agreement somewhere -_-

[forest edge]

it's actually the pharmaceuticals to blame for the prices and not the private insurer. the issue comes from Kiaser not having a big enough member pool to have any weight in disputing costs so all they can do is pass what they are being charged onto you. This is why medicare is so nice, cause the pool is huge and they have the weight to tell the pharmaceuticals companies "no" and they obey cause those pharmaceutical companies can't afford to lose out on that much money

[subtle pasture]

Pretty sure Kaiser has a larger pool than Amazon Pharmacy (aka PillPack)

Kaiser is huge...

[forest edge]

it's still a drop in the bucket

just imagine how many diffrent private insurers there are just in this country

and imagine how we are all seperated into small pools to fit within them

[subtle pasture]

Kaiser Permanente is the 2nd largest health insurer in the US... beaten only by UnitedHealthcare Group...

[forest edge]

see if you can find out just how many members they have

and then compare that to the number of people still left in this country

[subtle pasture]

They say "Over 12 million US members" on their website

[forest edge]

ok, so what countries only have 12 million population and what do they pay?

[subtle pasture]

Not the point. 12 million should be enough for bargaining power...

[forest edge]

its not

like i said

medicare has over 40 million

[subtle pasture]

Then explain how Amazon manages to get the price down to $58 on the same drug...

[forest edge]

I dunno, didn't even know you could get that shit through them

[subtle pasture]

With no insurance coverage whatsoever, btw

That's the price paying outright

[forest edge]

they must have struck some kind of deal

[subtle pasture]

Though apparently I get an "Amazon Prime discount" on drugs, so that's nice. lol

[clear ferry]

The height of captialism

[forest edge]

amazon might also be eating some of that cost

[clear ferry]

🤣

[forest edge]

they take loses on shit all the time

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, I kinda hate that Amazon is doing the whole pharmacy game better than actual pharmacies...

Though I suppose now Amazon is an actual pharmacy. They straight up bought PillPack and made it their own offering.

Kaiser also required me to drive to an actual Kaiser-owned pharmacy (closest one is an hour round-trip away from my house), during a pandemic, to pick up some of my meds, because they "couldn't be shipped"

Amazon has no trouble shipping all of my meds, so I dunno what Kaiser's malfunction is >_>

[deft pewter]

Just wait until you start mailing drugs around the country.

https://tenor.com/view/traffic-fbi-open-up-raid-gif-13450966

[subtle pasture]

@deft pewter Been there, done that. I have a number of gray-market internet pharmacies bookmarked so I can order whatever I want, regardless of what my doctor wants to write a prescription for 🤷‍♀️

[deft pewter]

I meant you shipping them, not having them shipped to you.

[subtle pasture]

It's amazing what you can solve by throwing money at the problem...

[subtle pasture]

Why would I personally mail drugs out? O.o

[deft pewter]

I didn't say you would. And please don't tag me on every reply :/

[forest edge]

that is a horrible phrase and part of the reason we are in the boat we are in lol

[subtle pasture]

This ^

[deft pewter]

I was pointing out the humour in corporations being able to mail that all over without questions but if you, as an individual, did the same, you'd likely be committing a crime.

It's all okay if it's for profit.

[subtle pasture]

Ah, yeah. Depends on what you're shipping. There are a number of drugs that, while prescription-only, aren't controlled substances

[forest edge]

@deft pewterhow else do you think @clear ferry gets his suppository pills?

[deft pewter]

I thought he still had them hand delivered by that weird guy down his street.

[subtle pasture]

I've literally had to throw a cost-benefit analysis at my doctor before...
"So you want to send me to a specialist. The appointment is 2 weeks out, and will cost $300 to attend, and they only MIGHT prescribe the drug I already know works (even ran blood tests, everything's golden). Ok, but why would I bother with any of that when a 3-year supply of the same drug costs $120 on a gray-market internet pharmacy, I can have it here next-day, and there's no "maybe" about it?"

She was perfectly capable of writing the prescription without referring me to a specialist, btw. No idea why she was waffling so hard...

[forest edge]

maybe some liablity scare

[subtle pasture]

Literally already ran labs to rule out any liability. lol

I basically did my doctor's job for her 🤷‍♀️

[forest edge]

since the reform there are no general doctors anymore, everyone is a specialist so they might not be able to legally do that

[subtle pasture]

Except this was an endocrinologist who wanted to refer me to a different endocrinologist...

[forest edge]

oh lol

well maybe it's split down to seperate brances.. i dunno

branches

[subtle pasture]

Literally a different doctor with the same specialty, who worked at a different hospital.

[forest edge]

it's a mess for sure, at least you knew the cost before doing it

[subtle pasture]

I'm just sitting here like "...why is this so difficult compared to just flipping the table and ordering it at full price?"

[forest edge]

I was refered to a heart specialist at a hospital and wasn't told my insurance wouldn't cover most of it so had a hefty bill that was compounded simply because it took place inside an actual hospital instead of a clinic

I was so pissed

[subtle pasture]

The whole "surprise, your insurance doesn't cover the thing you were told to go do by your doctor" scenario should be made impossible by any means necessary...

[forest edge]

why Americans should have used this pandemic to address our healthcare but i guess instead we want to point out other stuff

[subtle pasture]

Unethical life pro tip: Let medical bills go to collections, and pay the collections agency rather than the hospital. They'll often settle with you for much lower total sums that the original bill, because they purchased the debt from the hospital for pennies on the dollar.

You can also stipulate that you'll only pay if they don't touch your credit score.

I've reduced $1500 medical bills to under $200 this way...

Not worth it to do this with every bill, but the truly ridiculous ones? Yeah...

[forest edge]

was gonna say, that is kind of playing with fire lol

[subtle pasture]

Yes and no. Collections agencies are usually super happy to work with you if you're willing to pay them a chunk of the total right on the first call

They're still making a profit, because they sure as hell didn't pay $1500 for that $1500 in debt

[forest edge]

pretty sure your credit report gets tagged with that regardless

[subtle pasture]

I don't have any credit, so 🤷‍♀️

[forest edge]

oh well shit

you need to work on that

[subtle pasture]

Never owned a credit card. lol

No auto loan, no mortgage

Even if they touch my credit, meh...

[forest edge]

I have a friend who had to go into bankruptcy when he was younger, screwed any credit he had and he's paying hard right now for it. credit is used in so much shit

[subtle pasture]

But they never have. My completely arbitrary 700 score (I dunno how I have a 700 when it's based on absolutely no credit history) remains...

[forest edge]

might be a starting point based on your current income

[subtle pasture]

The only time that score has ever dipped was after applying for a Visa card. They did a hard check, which hits your score for some stupid reason.

Was denied for the Visa, because my score was "too soft" due to a lack of history. Whee!

"Sorry, can't give you credit because you've never had credit"

Wonderful loop to be stuck in

[forest edge]

if you have a main bank, it's more easy to get a cc through them than anywhere else.. altho these days Discover seems to take anyone lol

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, I could get a card through my bank, with an interest rate of 35%

[forest edge]

thats not bad

[subtle pasture]

That's...awful...

[forest edge]

you have to start somewhere

[forest edge]

35% as a start is not bad

[subtle pasture]

It's literally cheaper and lower-interest for me to take out a loan, and then use that loaned money to open a secure card.

[forest edge]

building credit is a must

you will hit that brick wall sooner or later

unless you plan to move to Montana and live off the grid lol

[subtle pasture]

I mean, if I ever want to build credit quick I can always use all those fun "first-time home buyer" perks and get a mortgage

because apparently taking on 30+ years of debt builds credit like nobody's business

[forest edge]

its not quick by any means

[subtle pasture]

Hell of a lot quicker than doing it incrementally with secured cards >_>

[forest edge]

history itself plays it's role

can't skip that lol

[last cedar]

That interest rate is insane! I use a card where I get 0,5% back, pay it off in full every month, never pay them interest

[subtle pasture]

My parents are still holding on to ancient credit cards with interest rates between 3 and 7%

I want in on that shit 👀

[last cedar]

I believe our standard is 18,9 or such

Never checked because I never have to pay it

I think you have 45 days to pay off otherwise they charge interest

[subtle pasture]

Also, I don't like the concept of charging higher interest rates to people who've never had credit before. "Oh, you're new at this? You get to start on HARD MODE"

[forest edge]

it's not ancient. the longer you have and use a card those rates drop

thats the "history" aspect

[subtle pasture]

@forest edge No, they started at 3%. They also got these cards in the late 70's / early 80's...

[forest edge]

either way, it's still the same

I started out with over 30% interest rate and i'm down in single didgits

course i started late

cause i hate cc

your rates go down while your limit goes up

but if you have no or little credit history you don't get that. you are considered high risk

[subtle pasture]

Again, leading to the scenario of starting newbies out on hard mode

[forest edge]

i wouldn't call it hard mode

[subtle pasture]

It punishes their fuckups harder than older members

[forest edge]

it's your choice to charge so much shit on your cc you cannot afford to pay it off by the end of the month lol

[subtle pasture]

And I'm not even saying I'd screw up, I just disagree with the entire concept / setup

[forest edge]

actually that structure is well made with the exceptions to the "elite"

[subtle pasture]

Sure, yeah, ultra high-end credit cards have ridiculous operating frees just to keep them open

[forest edge]

it's not that

[subtle pasture]

I mean, that's part of it. lol

[forest edge]

it's the fact that middle class cannot hit certian scores that open up even better savings unlike rich people

[subtle pasture]

Charging $300,000 a year just for the honor of having the account is a start

[forest edge]

like my auto insurances for example

the next tier up would save me like 500 a year lol

[subtle pasture]

There we go giving the rich breaks again... >_>

[forest edge]

but i cannot even hit that cause I simply don't have the income required to achieve it

[deft pewter]

30%+ interest sounds dumb but there's nothing stopping you just making one purchase a month and paying it straight off.

[subtle pasture]

"Oh, you can absolutely afford our most expensive package, no questions asked? Here's a discount just because you're so rich..."

#Capitalism

[deft pewter]

I don't need credit for anything but I still make a point of spending something on each card each month to keep my rating high.

[forest edge]

and that's how they instruct us to build credit in schools

[subtle pasture]

Heh, my personal finance class barely even touched on credit. It mostly taught us how to do our tax returns the old-school on-paper manual way...

[forest edge]

well regardless you should start working on it. the sooner the better

even if it just collects dust and and you use it to buy gum once a month

[subtle pasture]

I mean, that's what my my attempt at opening a Visa card was 😛

I give a credit card company a shot every once in a while. So far, no bites 🤷‍♀️

[forest edge]

check out discover. the cash back shit is awesome and they do like 2X back in gift cards such as amazon gift cards.. hint hint..

[subtle pasture]

I have an HSA. No point in using Amazon gift cards for meds 😛

Though you absolutely can, which is kinda wild...

[forest edge]

most of the shit we buy in this house through amazon is paid by those damn cash back gift cards.. i meanm if they are going to give us twice the amount in gift card hell yea!

[subtle pasture]

@forest edge Poor financial advice: Apply for store credit cards every time you check out, getting the instant savings on your current purchase, while knowing you'll be denied.

I could save so much money at Target this way...

Poor advice because of all the hard checks it'd do on your credit 😛

I do kinda wonder how many times they'd let you do that, though 🤔

[forest edge]

accidentally ending up with multiple cc's is also bad

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, you have to know for sure you'll be denied to pull that stunt

If your credit is already hosed, however... "Thanks for the 10% off my order, see you next week"

Again, this is terrible financial advice, but hilarious to think about

[forest edge]

quite alot of people do that shit without thinking

[subtle pasture]

What, open store cards?

Store credit cards are all terrible value

[forest edge]

yes to use the benefit

the savings or longer 0 interest

[subtle pasture]

I think the worst offender is the Starbucks Visa, which actually has a monthly service fee just to keep it open

[forest edge]

yea

[deft pewter]

A couple isn't a problem. I have two accounts 🤷‍♂️ Wouldn't try to collect them though

[forest edge]

2 or 3 is fine. was refering to those with 5+

3 trillion spent on shit due to covid..🤢

if you got kids, may wanna have tht talk with them about how they might be poor when they grow up lol

[green inlet]

@subtle pasture , I am kinda confused when you blame one doctor for letting you leave and then chastise another for going the extra mile, sending you for a second opinion. Also, I am not sure what you mean by black market meds but I have been to other countries that don’t need prescriptions and pharmacies aren’t regulated. I wouldn’t by from them.....just me though.

[subtle pasture]

Which doctor did I chastise for going the extra mile?

[green inlet]

Maybe I misunderstood

#the-water-cooler message

[subtle pasture]

I chastised that second doctor because she was perfectly capable of evaluating my bloodwork and writing the required prescription, but instead wanted me to wait 2 weeks for an appointment with another doctor of the same specialty who MIGHT write the prescription, because she didn't want to do it herself.

[green inlet]

Or second opinion

[subtle pasture]

And that appointment was going to cost an additional $300... for a "we might help you... might..."

I don't need a second opinion, I already know exactly what works...

And my current doctor has seen the labs she herself ordered. She already knows it works.

[green inlet]

I don’t think she is part of some conspiracy to move you around doctors without a reason

She had a reason....

[worldly axle]

Wait you are still talking about this?

[subtle pasture]

I mean, she wouldn't give me a reason why she wouldn't write the prescription. After 3 years of back-and-forth with her, the best I got was "I'm worried you'll throw a blood clot"
Clotting factors = normal healthy range. Not a problem.

[green inlet]

So, she was concerned and wanted you to get a second opinion 😉

[subtle pasture]

Nope... it was bullshit

[green inlet]

Lmao....ok...

[subtle pasture]

Because my clotting factors were normal, and have been normal for years...

She straight-up had to ignore all my medical history to even suggest that

I'll accept "incompetent" before "concerned" with my current endocrinologist...

But she's the only one in the area, so I deal with her

[green inlet]

I am not saying all doctors are good....after 3 years I would have changed doctors anyway. There needs to be a level of trust with a doctor. If it’s not there, you should move on

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, I would have changed doctors too, if I had that option...

[green inlet]

Auh, just saw that last line

[subtle pasture]

Normally it's SO not worth fighting with a doctor over the same thing for 3+ years. lol

@worldly axle pdobrien3 brought it back up 😛

[green inlet]

Shit. I might even drive an hour for a trust worthy doctor. I do remember that being a thing with Kaiser. You had to go to one of their network doctors

I guess we just got lucky with our in network people

[subtle pasture]

It's a 30 minute drive to the nearest Kaiser hospital, so I already burn an hour of my day every time I need to see her... next-closest would be in Oakland, which is a 2 hour drive away

[green inlet]

One of the last experiences we had with Kaiser was the birth of our kids.....it was some great maybe it overshadowed some things. We still get Christmas cards from one of our doctors 21 years later

[subtle pasture]

Also, don't even think about trying to get plastic surgery through Kaiser. That was a nightmare, and caused me to straight-up give up on having the procedure I wanted done...

Went to 3 different Kaiser plastic surgeons, not a single one had a photo of their past work...

And you don't do plastic surgery sight-unseen...

Oh, and they couldn't give me that information over the phone. I had to make an appointment with each surgeon, and show up in person ($300 appointment + burning PTO hours)

After blowing almost a grand on nothing but disappointment, I gave up.

Might as well go private and pay entirely out of pocket, it'll be cheaper than hunting down a decent in-network surgeon... and I have yet to see a private plastic surgeon who DOESN'T have photos of their past work available

I've literally never had a "good" interaction with any Kaiser services... I think they peak at "mediocre"

Imma stop ranting before this crap raises my blood pressure -_-

[worldly axle]

this is something for Facebook messenger

[subtle pasture]

Imagine using Facebook in 2021

[worldly axle]

i know

thats why I said it

[subtle pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-fellow-kids-steve-buscemi-30rock-undercover-hello-gif-5410477

Facebook is where I go to check up on Grandma XD

[worldly axle]

people still use it?

I only have Facebook lite installed to login on sites

[subtle pasture]

I know a couple Facebook die-hards, yeah

I need to round up enough of their friends to have an intervention

"Look, all of us would REALLY like to uninstall the Messenger app from our phone, but... well... you see... that's why we've called you here today"

[worldly axle]

no one uses messenger in the netherlands

also no one uses SMS

[green inlet]

Cans and strings? I will admit, I still have Facebook and messenger but I rarely use it. What do you use outside of sms? Snapchat? I am guessing there is a huge age gap here? After years of banging my head against brick walls, I finally learned the only result was a headache. I now navigate around problems instead of trying to change minds that probably won’t change.

[dusky plank]

what is the reason you are still on facebook? I deleted my account in 2016 an I believe it is still ready to reactivate five years later with all my photos and likes after five years, I might even need to send a forgot password email to do so but I fear they still have all the data

[green inlet]

Who knows....prob pure laziness. Fear of missing something 🤷🏼‍♂️. I mostly log on just to clear my notifications

[green inlet]

Plus it is linked to my OnlyFans account

[subtle pasture]

I think about 90% of my chat takes place on Discord, Teams, or Slack

[glacial knot]

discord and sometimes even mail D:

[hushed basalt]

Need facebook to access certain groups

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/eww-yuck-disgusting-gif-14562364

[young sigil]

I suspended my facebook account last year as I wasn't using it much and they took down all legitimate Australian news pages, leaving anti-vaxer and chemtrail nutjob pages up (for a while at least). It was a test to see if I'd miss it. I don't.

[clear ferry]

I've actually never had a Facebook account

[last cedar]

Do you know what the FBI puts in those chemtrails though?

[forest edge]

that australian news fee thing for links is fucking hillarious

oh snap cdc lifts restrictions on vaccinated people. no masks, no social distancing

[clear ferry]

When the CDC is finally allowed to say or do anything

[forest edge]

lol finally get my mom setup and able to work youtube tv on a her roku tv to find out that google wants to switch to using a codec that would require hardware decode support which roku's don't use

[small trellis]

Only place I can watch baseball anymore w/o going back to Satan... and of course my HT uses Roku.

[forest edge]

well we got till December to find out if youtube tv fucks us or not lol. course some of the higher end roku's like the ultra might be fine but my sticks won't be lol

[young sigil]

High fructose corn syrup?

[small trellis]

Ah good to know. I'll be dumping YTTV after October (when the post-season ends) so .. till next year 🙂

High fructose corn syrup with GPS.

[last cedar]

It's probably corona in gas form tbh

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-fart-bear-fart-blowing-you-a-kiss-cute-gif-16459303

[clever mortar]

https://open.spotify.com/track/13mFHw8vgUBOD5nAtS4uSa?si=c97486ba604745c5

[hushed basalt]

Do you think Jeff Bezos has a stipulation in his will

"upon my death, shut down AWS, kthnxbai suckers"

[clear ferry]

I can only hope

[hushed basalt]

Western society would collapse though

https://c.tenor.com/qcq_L20a5ugAAAAM/elmo-burn.gif

[clear ferry]

Not my dark sites

[clear ferry]

[low harness]

Sigh! Microsoft word... inserting a comment changes the layout of the document. And auto-formatting capitalizes the first word after a comma!

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/NZJXajcwChgAAAAM/bill-gates.gif

[clear ferry]

@low harness just move to LaTeX already

I should have gone that way years ago

I just need to kick myself

[clever mortar]

That's a blast from the past

I remember using that to create documents back at Uni

[low harness]

I suggest this on EVERY meeting where we're discussing document management.

[clear ferry]

I've watched the wife use it for a few years now

I'm envious

[low harness]

I'm even working on a mockup of a system to enable people to write their reports in markdown and have it automatically converted.

At least my closest manager is with me on that one. But there's plenty of dinosaurs around...

[clear ferry]

Just imagine in five years, all DevOps will make reports on tiktok

No more documents

[low harness]

I can really recommend pandoc, btw. It pretty much perfectly translates Word <-> latex <-> markdown <-> html <-> you name it

[clear ferry]

A customer of mine mentioned they hired a junior dev who had very little experience using the keyboard

[low harness]

??

[clear ferry]

He just did flows or whatever on an ipad

[forest edge]

we would be hurting now for sure and so weird that we came to rely on that fucking amazon so much in such a short amount of time

[clear ferry]

Fooking evolution shit

[hushed basalt]

Whats a devops

[forest edge]

augmented reality will replace mouse and keyboard soon lol

[low harness]

It's kind of a cool background story, though... "Hey, we need a LOT of computers to be able to handle all the book sales around christmas... but what should we do with them the rest of the year?"

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/minority-report-holographic-screen-swipe-right-gif-15868978

[low harness]

Like that croissant identifying AI which they employed to find cancer cells instead... or some dailyWTF I read years ago about a company that used machine learning an ANN to reformat a handful of excel sheets, and now use that program to generate haikus or something.

[forest edge]

lol that's how a lot of medical treatments come to be. developed for one thing, fails miserably at it but by the off chance they find out it does ok-->good at doing something else

nothing goes to waste in a sense

[clear ferry]

I just did that for a Norwegian non profit cancer research

I rolled a big server into a DC 3 years ago

That project never got realized

So they non profit got the server for free this year

And I installed it for them

[last cedar]

@clear ferry did you say latex?!

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/watts-the-safeword-pup-amp-mr-kristofer-weston-daddy-dance-gif-15102065

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/RUzlE5PNjgYAAAAM/gloves-on-im-ready.gif

[forest edge]

lol hackers calling themselves Darkside

[deft pewter]

Darkseid > Darkside

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/pink-floyd-the-dark-side-of-the-moon-galaxy-space-rainbow-gif-16939692

[deft pewter]

Yes. Darkseid of the moon.

Any plot involving secret moon bases is good.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034314/

The sequel was equally entertaining.

[clear ferry]

The Wolfenstein reboot had a Nazi moon base

I loved it

[green inlet]

#naziwegian

[forest edge]

I am convinced this was taken from a real life experience of atx https://youtu.be/uK4tmrHK_sY

[deft pewter]

Seem like one of his fetishes 😄

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-thats-a-kink-jensen-ackles-interview-kink-gif-17056550

[deft pewter]

Jensen Ackles... that's a kink.

He's going to be in the next season of The Boys. Can't wait.

[clear ferry]

I'd tap that

[green inlet]

#the-murder-roost message

[turbid stirrup]

Aaaaaaaand that's enough internet for today.

[clear ferry]

That would be pretty tame by internet standards

So that quota is low

[lapis cipher]

önnön

[deft pewter]

How I imagine Sonoma's weekends: https://open.spotify.com/track/4etE2X6t7GmyiuYLIdI8H5?si=a3be4698c1e643b0

I feel dirty. I found a song I like by Macklemore.

[small sable]

Is it possible to send an HDMI-CEC command from a source that only turns on the AVR if you have a [Source]->[AVR]->[TV] setup? So just to playback music w/o turning on the TV?

[dusky plank]

depends on what inputs your avr has

[brisk glen]

woho, my car is no longer a bus

[brisk glen]

best I can do without recreating frigate in node-red

[deft pewter]

NR 🤢

[brisk glen]

best i can do with doods

frigate is next

[forest edge]

you gave up on frigate already? lol

[small sable]

How so? It's got 7x HDMI inputs which all have HDMI-CEC

[dusky plank]

you can send the command to a specific device (avr in this case) instead of the broadcast adress or dump on/off commands on the tv end

[green inlet]

You flew the *NSYNC flag high and mighty earlier and now Macklemore makes you feel dirty

[deft pewter]

Shhh. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

[green inlet]

Oh hells yes.....if something that happened in vegas, ever leaves Vegas.....I am fsucked 😉

[forest edge]

that sounded like a "I have a bastard child in vegas" comment

[deft pewter]

Just the one?

[brisk glen]

@forest edge i gave up until i have a setup with google corel

[dusky plank]

corel draw 🤩

is there any reason to use ipv6 in my internal net if my isp doesn't provide me v6 yet?

[static schooner]

exactly nothing but pain and distress

[dusky plank]

that's why i disabled it long ago thanks

[static schooner]

me too

<cue atx coming in here to say that Norwegia has had ipv6 addresses for home users for 20 years>

[dusky plank]

i have a v6 gateway via wireguard site 2 site though, I can reach v6 endpoints through that

[static schooner]

my ISP does support IPv6, but it keeps going down. At least that's what pfSense thinks

[dusky plank]

anyone know of a airplay alternative for windows? just looking for audio, dlna is only for specific players I just want to stream to a generic audio device (runs on pi, already have shairport on that pi for apple clients, search for a windows alternative)

eh, I will just use airparrot on the windows clients I guess

[peak mountain]

I use airserver, it's not free but works well for me

plus it includes google cast, and other stuff

[dusky plank]

i don‘t want to stream to windows, i want to stream to linux from windows

[green inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-what-are-you-waiting-for-determined-angry-gif-5247874

https://youtu.be/hms5vmekId4

[forest edge]

is australia gonna change thier national animal to the mouse?

[young sigil]

What was the context for that question?

[forest edge]

all the news feed videos about the recent mouse plague going on there

[summer hound]

Does the homeassistant blog have an rss feed?

[young sigil]

Yes

https://home-assistant.io/atom.xml

This is a good one to follow too https://alerts.home-assistant.io/feed.xml

[forest edge]

you know @clear ferry was on this flight lol https://youtu.be/Cg6jvKt2h6s

[deft pewter]

It should be acceptable to yeet kids like that (and their ignorant parents) out the door mid-flight.

[glacial knot]

I'm sure there's some kind of safety issues with the chance to hit others on the ground

[deft pewter]

Who said anything about doing it over the ground? Most 8 hour flights will take you over oceans

Free sea burial. Win.

[glacial knot]

there can still be container ships. Imagine the poor worker that's been on route for 3 weeks, just to be killed by a falling human siren

[deft pewter]

They might appreciate being put out of their misery.

We all know how angry tom gets when he's at sea.

[young sigil]

I'd be sorely tempted to scream in the kid's ear until he stopped.

[deft pewter]

He even set the damned ship on fire last time.

[deft pewter]

I'm always tempted. Then I remember I'm British and too polite to actually go through with it 😢

[glacial knot]

if the kid is too loud for ANC headphones.... I guess it'd be best to give them a beer. Makes people sleepy

[deft pewter]

I don't always carry beer with me.

Chloroform, on the other hand... everyone carries that, right?

@last cedar

[glacial knot]

if you are on an 8hour flight
they carry beer for you

[deft pewter]

Found the store page for it but the etsy seller has paused their store 😦 https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/729031307/trashy-3d-mouse-pad-pre-order

[glacial knot]

that's a weird boobie pad

[deft pewter]

No boobies, just trash for the pandas.

Best use of the format I've seen before 😄

[glacial knot]

I kind of want one for work

but I don't use a mouse much. And even less on such a tiny space

[deft pewter]

So much good trash panda merch out there: https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/906788133/live-fast-eat-trash-raccoon-shirt

[clear ferry]

I've done quite a few transatlantic flights, and transoceanic, plus within Europe, I think I've had one really annoying kid

But annoying fucking adults that should have been aborted long time ago

Dang there are a lot of them

[deft pewter]

Just like how there are no bad dogs, only bad dog owners, I think there's no such thing as bad kids.

The parents should be shot.

[clear ferry]

People who just put their seat back all the way without asking should be hung on a wall

[deft pewter]

Eh... I do that 😓

[clear ferry]

On the wall you go

[glacial knot]

I've not done a lot of flying. So far I got lucky I guess
Or maybe the improvized group of people flying solo chatting on the flight to ireland was the annoying adults. then my bad 😄

[deft pewter]

On nearly every flight I've been on, the person in front of me does it. If everyone else is doing it, I'm gonna do it too.

[glacial knot]

I fucking hate that I can't use twitch emotes here

[deft pewter]

Me being respectful doesn't change how all the other assholes behave.

[deft pewter]

A few people chatting is fine. It's when someone starts shouting or creating a scene...

[glacial knot]

oh, it's easy to prevent that. Just make sure your knee is felt the entire flight. Fixes the issue within 15min

I've done that on bus travels a couple times 🙂

[deft pewter]

Or night flights where they make a ton of noise after the lights go out.

[clear ferry]

I have my headphones on the entire flight anyway, unless I'm flying with someone

[deft pewter]

My wife just sleeps, so I always have headphones on 😄

And yet somehow people are still too loud...

[last cedar]

Where do I buy that!?

[deft pewter]

Scroll down a bit, I shared the link.

[last cedar]

Oh, that was same thing. Cheers!

Slightly disappointed they didn't have an option to pay in doormats though

Or valves

[glacial knot]

Make your own shitcoin that uses proof of doormats

[deft pewter]

As long as it doesn't use more electricity than the whole of Argentina.

[glacial knot]

Easy. Build your mining farm in Argentina

[deft pewter]

Crypto is a joke. The sooner it all collapses, the better.

[glacial knot]

Let’s first see what happens with GME

[deft pewter]

You mean all the internet neckbeards playing games with stocks?

[last cedar]

Yes

Nah, crypto should be banned

Killing the planet ffs

I only acquire organic doormats

[deft pewter]

Miners and shitcoin investors don't care about the planet. Just profit.

Hard to do anything about the miners though. They'll keep doing it as long as people keep buying.

[last cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/184324186284621824/843023468525125653/apN6P5M_460s.png

[deft pewter]

Investors, on the other hand... when it collapses, they'll lose everything 😂

[clear ferry]

https://open.spotify.com/track/0PgnokuwZfyZHpvGFITIsI?si=Dw_rrCujRsyndOOmlVUedQ&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1

[deft pewter]

RWPL... RW PL... RuPaul?

I didn't know you were a fan.,

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-rpdr-rupauls-drag-race-girl-cant-believe-gif-15438257

[deft pewter]

What is that anyway? Soft rock?

[clear ferry]

According to some

[deft pewter]

More soft rock: https://open.spotify.com/track/5pRElcsPZrgZXkoON2o5Go?si=a242f834a54240e1

[clear ferry]

Norwegian spring

[deft pewter]

No, that's a Norwegian road.

[clear ferry]

Just like the lochs of Scotland

Mjøsa

[green inlet]

Pool opens today and 80 bags of mulch thrown yesterday to pretty much finish spring yard stuff

[clear ferry]

Our pools just closed again

I wanted to get back to swimming

[deft pewter]

Did they close it because someone pooped in it again?

Was it you?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/quiet-shaggy-scooby-doo-gif-5031765

[real frigate]

2

[clear ferry]

[deft pewter]

Don't do it, code. We ban people after they boost.

It's not worth it.

[green inlet]

🤣

[clear ferry]

Do it 7 more times first

[static schooner]

Now start ranting about security

[clear ferry]

And tag fronk constantly

[deft pewter]

@fronk

[clear ferry]

Hello, my name is elder atx

Have you heard about the book of containers?

[glacial knot]

He admitted he's old 😮

[clear ferry]

I've been 90 for the last 20 years according to my wife

[deft pewter]

We need a title older than 'elder'.

[clear ferry]

Cosmic?

Eternal?

[deft pewter]

I hope to dog you're not eternal.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/amigos-selfie-skeleton-friend-friends-forever-gif-13392408

https://open.spotify.com/track/3BvdyscylBbOhf0TL2S0yH?si=FarKW5ItReqSEinKc8TYCQ&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1

[deft pewter]

I'm confused. Apple Music are expected to launch lossless audio soon... with two tiers.

So that's 'lossless' and 'lossy', right? 🤔

https://www.engadget.com/apple-music-lossless-streaming-android-apk-223911312.html

[glacial knot]

we are always lossy when a signal is converted from analog to digital. It's about the quality of that transformation. The lossless property is then in the digital domain

[deft pewter]

I get that... but you can't have tiers of lossless. If you're going to claim that you have a lossless format and another format with lower fidelity, you have to admit that the second one has, by definition, lost information compared to the first.

People fall for this marketing shit, even though it's a blatant lie.

[glacial knot]

they are both up to the usual standard of stuff labeled as lossless audio

if you complain about that, complain about using the term at all

[deft pewter]

That's not my point. Even if what counts as lossless is a bit vague, offering two formats where one has lost information in the other means you give up the right to call it lossless 🤷‍♂️

The top one, sure. The second one is missing information that your own 'lossless' format has.

[dusky plank]

you need those $$$ gold contact hdmi cables to hear the real difference

[deft pewter]

Nonsense. Gold contact optical cables are better.

[glacial knot]

top left quarter of a lossless image is still a lossless image

[deft pewter]

I can't tell if you're trolling...

"Here's a lossless track but we're only going to provide you with frequencies between 1k and 10k Hz"

[glacial knot]

I think your point is being pedantic and useless
But I see where you are coming from

[deft pewter]

Sure, it's pedantic... but it's correct. 🤷‍♂️

[dusky plank]

some people see 176.4kHz as lossless, others 192khz

[static schooner]

Changing the sampling rate is different than compressing the resulting data in a way that throws information away on purpose

[deft pewter]

So you're saying going as low as 48kHz can still be truthfully considered as lossless? That's some really low sampling.

[static schooner]

Lossless usually means ‘compressed in a way that can be uncompressed without loss’

[glacial knot]

I wonder what sample rate the audio hardware in macs take. iirc 48kHz is the default in pulse, and a significant amount of hardware

[static schooner]

It’s ‘CD quality’, even though that’s a bit of an anachronism now

[deft pewter]

Yeah, CD's were 44.1kHz, so 48 is nothing special.

Give me 128 or better, thanks.

[last cedar]

As long as the lossless file is at the same sampling rate and frequency as the original master, it should be good

[deft pewter]

How many masters were recorded as low as 48?

[last cedar]

Normally it jumps to 24 bit 96Khz Mono. There were super audio cds

I am not certain tbh

Thry might be oversampling some releases to make it appear that one lossless is better than another?

Unsure

[dusky plank]

smooooth https://x0.at/TMC.gif

[clear ferry]

I'll refer you back to this again @last cedar @deft pewter https://youtu.be/EiRMYoqU3ys

[deft pewter]

tl;dl

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-meangirls-reginageorge-rachelmcadams-boo-gif-4205205

[deft pewter]

There's going to be a Kerbal Space Program 2? 😮

Not that I was any good at the first one... 😢

[young sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-got-time-for-that-a-intnobody-got-time-for-that-no-time-for-that-nope-no-gif-10243842

And by "Nobody" I mean me.

[last cedar]

Ty

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/chihuahua-cedric-piateczka-hi5-gif-21531060

[deft pewter]

Such a derpy looking dog.

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/08u157ckhaz61.gif

[deft pewter]

The best part of open source software... fixing someone else's repo for them.

[peak mountain]

Quick reminder to any students who use github: the student developer program is free, and includes tons of amazing stuff, like a .me domain, .tech domain, etc

https://education.github.com/

[deft pewter]

Via namecheap 🤢

[peak mountain]

Plus repl.it, termius, heroku, unity

[peak mountain]

it's better than nothing

ooh Microsoft Azure

[deft pewter]

Azure is cool but AWS is better 😉

[peak mountain]

But Azure is free 😉

[deft pewter]

And 'better than nothing' is debatable. Get stuck with a bad registrar and it's a nightmare to move.

AWS has a free tier...

[peak mountain]

Yeah but it's not amazing

I just want azure for short term hosting stuff

idk

[deft pewter]

I only go over the free tier because I'm paying for zones in Route53. Nothing else costs me money.

S3... free. Lambda... free.

If you prefer Azure or GCP, that's cool. But don't claim that AWS costs more.

[peak mountain]

I didn't say that aws costs more, I just said that for a student plan, you get more with Azure

[deft pewter]

Except you don't 🤷‍♂️

[peak mountain]

More hours 🤷‍♂️

[deft pewter]

Hours of what? There's more than one service on each platform.

[peak mountain]

Wait, you're right. Azure is only $100 credit, I thought it was a premium plan

Anyway, I was talking github w/ students, and that was listed

[deft pewter]

No. And you'll burn through $100 in no time.

[peak mountain]

I use aws lmao

You're right, as usual :)

[deft pewter]

Nah, I'm not always right.

[peak mountain]

What do you think of repl.it mono?

[deft pewter]

AWS's free tier is pretty generous though. For Lambda (forever):

The AWS Lambda free usage tier includes 1M free requests per month and 400,000 GB-seconds of compute time per month.
For EC2 (first 12 months):
750 hours per month of Linux, RHEL, or SLES t2.micro or t3.micro instance dependent on region
For S3 (first 12 months):
5 GB of Standard Storage

https://aws.amazon.com/free/?all-free-tier.sort-by=item.additionalFields.SortRank&all-free-tier.sort-order=asc&awsf.Free Tier Types=*all&awsf.Free Tier Categories=*all

[peak mountain]

Lambda is really good tbh

[deft pewter]

I haven't used repl.it. If I want to code with someone, it's usually someone on my team and we have plugins in our IDE to do collaborative stuff.

If you think Lambda is good, take a look at Step Functions too.

[clear ferry]

Fix my repo

[deft pewter]

Fix it yourself.

[clear ferry]

[peak mountain]

[deft pewter]

Dotly - Step Functions are basically state machines where each processing 'node' in the machine is a Lambda. Really easy to build fairly complex apps without provisioning a server/container once you know what you're doing.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-cloud-cloud-magic-spongebob-spongebob-cloud-gif-18807050

[deft pewter]

The project I'm on at the moment is my first time working with Step Functions but they're really intuitive.

[peak mountain]

ew

[deft pewter]

Bitwarden for me since LastPass got greedy.

[clear ferry]

Vaultwarden

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/nerds-shouts-yells-gif-7246190

[lapis cipher]

ok

[deft pewter]

No

[forest edge]

lol subscription to enable the activation of your heated seats on a BMW

[deft pewter]

Yeah, this is possibly the new normal. It's disgusting.

Fucking subs to use the vehicle you already paid for.

[forest edge]

it was inevitable that car manufactures would stop making multi tier vehicles at a factory and rather just lock out features to create the multi tier after the fact but to charge on a subscription base is absolutely stupid

[peak mountain]

bitwarden is amazing

[deft pewter]

Yeah, I'd get the tiered stuff with optional payments to upgrade. Subs are dumb.

[dusky plank]

that reddit ad 😄

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze you eat at that Spoon by H place?

[peak mountain]

Who's using the official reddit app?

time for some alternitave app education*

[dusky plank]

nah i like it

i tried others

[deft pewter]

Boost for me. Official app sucks.

[dusky plank]

they present the feed in a way i dont like

[deft pewter]

You don't like posts one after the other without ads?

[dusky plank]

i don‘t use android mono

no boost for me

[deft pewter]

🤢

Your own fault then, fanboy 😂

[dusky plank]

mayonnaise ❤️

how come you see a fault? I just like the app. stop critizising people on software they want to use

[deft pewter]

😄

If you like ads... 🤷‍♂️

[dusky plank]

I don‘t mind them as long as the app doesn‘t track location and other 💩
I mean, it‘s not like android does this by default without any app anyway

reddit is free, they have to get revenue from somewhere

[green inlet]

Android is for people who don’t appreciate their privacy 🤣

[deft pewter]

They do... all that reddit gold and badge crap. And selling your data to China...

[subtle pasture]

Found the PostmarketOS user

[dusky plank]

i received badges, i didn‘t pay for any of them. what does china have to do with it?

[deft pewter]

China bought a large stake in Reddit a while back. You'd have to be naive to think they're not using your data now.

And someone is paying for the gold to give out badges. Doesn't matter that you're not, that's reddit's income.

It's like how free games with microtransactions cope from the minority of whales pumping tons of cash into them.

[peak mountain]

I use swipe or slide or one of those

If you're on ios I cannot recceomend Apollo highly enough.

[dusky plank]

i tried apollo, as i said. i don‘t like it

[forest edge]

there use to be an "Unofficial reddit" app. is that not still a thing? many had to use it to circumvent the official app changes that made the app no longer work on older android phones

[peak mountain]

There are lots

[peak mountain]

What don't you like about it?

[deft pewter]

There are plenty. Boost is my favourite.

[green inlet]

I mean on a higher level than the OS
https://time.com/5765771/apple-fbi-pensacola/

[dusky plank]

meh, I mean china has all the data the US craves

[peak mountain]

I like sync

[dusky plank]

only difference is they work in silence and don‘t have whistleblowers

[forest edge]

china is more interested in stealing your next big idea and putting it to market before you get the chance then anything else

[peak mountain]

I was going to ask, what weather apps do y'all use?

[hushed basalt]

Do you think people will still go to University in 10-20 years

I can only speak for Australia, but I think the value has been lost over decades

By people I mean people at large,

"Do highschool exams, go to university, get a job" isn't the reality anymore

[deft pewter]

I think they'll have to. It's already at the point where if you don't, you're at a disadvantage compared to those that do.

In some places, getting a second degree is normal just to stand out.

[hushed basalt]

But that's a sign of "degree inflation"

[dusky plank]

due to natural evolution I believe we will be hit with another pandemic in a few decades. i could well be wrong but I think universities will more likely work via broadband internet than people going to it

[deft pewter]

I studied remotely. Worked out okay for me.

[hushed basalt]

There's plenty of people who went to trade school who are outearning their school peers who are under or unemployed after university

[deft pewter]

That's the thing... in a lot of places, there aren't 'trade schools'. It's leave school and try to find a job, or go to uni and try to find a job.

A lot of countries don't have a vocational stream for people that want to get into trades instead of academia.

[hushed basalt]

Our universities have become centres around "exporting" to international students so a lot of them are quite poor quality in reality

[deft pewter]

The UK is terrible for that. Our Labour party made a huge push to get everyone to go to uni. Stupid target like 50% or something. Now everyone has a degree and they're less useful for identifying good students.

[hushed basalt]

I never went to university and I'm out performing a lot of the grads in my company

[deft pewter]

Granted, a ton of people go off and do shit like media studies 😂

Yeah, I don't think my degree made a difference. It was fun and I'm glad I did it but I could've gotten and done this job without it.

[hushed basalt]

I mean hard sciences like medicine and engineeering you need it

[deft pewter]

Another dev on my team studied geology and then became a software engineer... so his degree didn't matter either.

But he's got 20 years on me, so back then, having a degree was a sign that you were bright enough to learn difficult subjects.

Now, they're almost participation awards.

[forest edge]

it's still a job requirement regardless if it's useful or not. not to mention like here that degree is the diffrence between being paid one thing vs another

[hushed basalt]

Depends on the company

[forest edge]

actually there are laws here

that enforce that

[hushed basalt]

What jobs?

[deft pewter]

Laws that enforce which bit? Needing a degree or paying more?

[forest edge]

laws that enforce you being paid x amount dependant on degree(s) you have

[dusky plank]

or you are a genius, go self employed, f* universities and still make billions with your idea

[hushed basalt]

Some companies pay based on qualifications, but they're often doing themselves a disfavor

It's certainly only a company policy not a law though

I can't speak for Murica though

I'm a self taught developer

[deft pewter]

I know I'm not a Murican but I'd never heard of this... and some jobs that claim they need a degree seem to pay awfully low salaries...

[hushed basalt]

And i see a lot of the grads coming out of comp sci and software engineering and I'm like whelp

So if someone can get a degree and still be a useless dropkick

What's the value in the accreditation

From an employers perspective

[deft pewter]

For stuff like CompSci, I guess it's just that employers should be able to count on you having a well-rounded understanding of the fundamentals. Doesn't mean you'll be a great dev though.

[forest edge]

it's been like that here for a long time

[hushed basalt]

Yeah but someone could just be good at taking exams

And actually learnt nothing

[forest edge]

course the degree has to have some correlation with the work you do

[deft pewter]

That seems like a fault with the course then, not the concept. My course had a decent chunk of practical coursework too, so it wasn't just a case of memorising answers for exams.

Even the exams were basically handwritten code... 🤢

[hushed basalt]

I think it's systemic in Australia

[dusky plank]

the point is there though, a lot of young people have no idea what the practice is all about but at the same time can talk a lot meta bs about the subject

[hushed basalt]

Our universities are dropping their global ranking because they're run poorly and gaming the system to become part of the visa factory

[forest edge]

private universities are a cancer.

[hushed basalt]

They're not private though

But they charge international students more and they get most of their funding from them

So they've lost their guiding mission

I'd be hesitant for my kids to spend 5+ years and what will probably be $250k by then at University

[forest edge]

kind of funny, my niece went to australia for a year or two cause it was cheaper lol

no idea what she went for or anything like that. just remember her mom having to send her money from time to time

[hushed basalt]

I've thought about going to university part time just to do it

But I'm like, I'm already in the industry

[deft pewter]

Yeah, not worth it if you're already in.

[hushed basalt]

I feel like I'm better off learning the comp sci material myself

[deft pewter]

I graduated after I'd found a job... only finished because I was nearly done already.

I mean... if you can identify gaps in your own knowledge, you don't need a structured course. The only real benefit of a degree is that someone else has planned out a curriculum for a subject you probably didn't know much about.

[forest edge]

yea if there is no benefit i can see it being a waste. here tho there is always the reason of getting paid more for doing it. but to be honest not sure the price of the schooling vs what you gain in salary ever fit unless you know you will be with that company for a very long time i guess

[deft pewter]

here tho there is always the reason of getting paid more for doing it
I still don't see how that's true. If you get into software engineering, you're going to be paid handsomely anyway, with or without a degree.

Six figures over there isn't hard to reach in software.

[forest edge]

it's probably more lucrative over one trade vs another for sure

[deft pewter]

Do people really need to sink themselves into tens of thousands of dollars of debt first? Nah.

Yeah, maybe there are trades where it makes a difference.

I can only speak for software engineering. I don't pay attention to others.

[hollow glacier]

Destined for hass on a pi4 for a buddy

Ah fuck did I buy the wrong drive

I did didn’t I

It’s gotta be sata not nvme

[forest edge]

lol

[glacial knot]

nice

[forest edge]

I would recommend https://www.home-assistant.io/blue/ when trying to buy a complete thing for someone other thn myself

[hollow glacier]

Yea but I wanted to try this argon case and board

[glacial knot]

I am considering the blue for myself. Just so I don't have to think 😄

[green inlet]

Laws🤔 which laws?

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge no, did you ?

[glacial knot]

Germany got them for most civil service positions
and some unions regulations can work out that way

[green inlet]

More money for going to college?

[glacial knot]

strict pay requirements by degree. There's a mapping between college degrees and craft certifications (which contain a lot of theory here)

If you've been doing something for 15 years and made sure to develop in that field, a bachelors isn't going to upgrade your pay
But if you've not done anything in the field, or go up to PhD level (which takes 8ish years, so yea...) then pay will increase for the academic degree

[forest edge]

dunno if it's under the labor act or what but it's been a thing for like many many years

[forest edge]

well your always talking about going to new places trying new shit. that place made it on the news. one for having some celebrity endorsement and then again because of possibly having to shut down and thier patrons raised over like 60k to keep them afloat duiring covid

[tidal bronze]

I read about it. Haven't been to that place

[forest edge]

the clip i watched one of the reasons they were thinking of closing down was cause people were ordering like over $700 worth of food, going to pick it up and then disputing the charge a week later fucking the establishment out of both the money and food. was something that just kept happening over and over

[tidal bronze]

Still watching YouTube I see 🤣

[forest edge]

always

[glacial knot]

that sounds like they didn't have their asses covered. Do they not have some kind of receipt they keep on their side? o.0

[tidal bronze]

Depends on the card used, you can dispute anything.

[forest edge]

the establishment would have to have some kind of proof the client actually obtained the product in question

in order to hve a dispute denied

[glacial knot]

you can dispute it. But a business should be able to proof their side of transaction and keep their money for most legit cases

[tidal bronze]

You can even dispute on service.

[green inlet]

Uh, no.

[forest edge]

uh no what

[green inlet]

Guaranteed wages for college degree.

[forest edge]

not sure what your going on about. you get paid more for having a degree in said occuption vs not having a degree

it has always been that way

[green inlet]

You said there were US laws that enforce higher wages for college grads.

[forest edge]

uh

not exactly what I said

I said what I just typed a few seconds ago lol

and yes it is backed by law

[green inlet]

But it just isn’t

[forest edge]

had to deal with it several times over my occupation carrer lol

well aren't you from the south? maybe your back ally state rejects it even if it is a fedral thing

[green inlet]

Lmao...the only federal law I am aware of surrounding wages is the minimum wage. Maybe that’s what you were fighting about 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[forest edge]

well if that is the only law you are aware of then maybe we need to up your education resources 😉

[glacial knot]

a degree might help 😛

[green inlet]

Ok, I will let you live in your little world.

[forest edge]

you havce always been paid more for having a degree in the field you work. you get paid more for obtainign a degree in said field even if you already work in said field

that has been a thing since like. i don't even know. before I was born

[green inlet]

I don’t disagree with that but there are no laws that guarantee it

[forest edge]

there is, i just remember what it's called

[static schooner]

I’m with pd here. No idea what you’re talking about

[forest edge]

if there was no law then people who paid for an education vs those who didn't would be placed on the same wage scale and that isn't fair

it's not something that is usually brought up

[green inlet]

Prob because it doesn’t exist

🤣

Just saying

[forest edge]

unless you are working within field that gives you opportunities to go to school for the field you are in

believe what you want

i don't really care lol

[static schooner]

Fair is for the playground

[green inlet]

Cut throat discord 🤣

[forest edge]

if you work somewhere that has a decent HR department, go and ask them

[glacial knot]

they are a thing?

[green inlet]

I don’t want to get laughed out of their office, that’s why

[forest edge]

or afraid to find out you are the lowest paid person there and even the janitor gets more lkol

[green inlet]

I already know I am the highest paid employee in my office at my level.

I am the senior janitor

[forest edge]

now you can fall under an over qualified status where you don't make more dependent on your educational status. that is a thing too

but to go from no degree to a degree in the field you work always yields more and that is backed by law

[glacial knot]

ha, that's easy when you got insight into part of the pay-table
I'm clearly not the best payed 😂

[forest edge]

my friend who is a mechanic used every aspect of that to it's fullest

dude was too smart to be a greese monkey

[green inlet]

Ok...night night Sonoma

[forest edge]

sorry to blow your southerner mind. don't worry i am sure you GED is plenty for whatever your occupation is.

[glacial knot]

GED?

Oh, you meant it that way. I was confused for a moment. Harsh

[forest edge]

there isn't a job today that doesn't put forth it's educational requirement prior to hiring a person and most people who are already employed and get promoted into a position that required a cert or whatever the company not only pays for that education but also the pay raise so it's not something that generally comes up. however in the past it was a bigger deal because people would be working in a position that would change to something that would require an educational cert or degree would often get screwed

[green inlet]

100%. Still no law that requires it

[forest edge]

lol don't get why you have such a hard time with it

[static schooner]

it seems like this has gone: "it's the law" "what law?" "go ask the HR dept"

[last dirge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fhDVVfELsM

[static schooner]

burden of proof is on the claimer

[forest edge]

such futile dispute isn't worth the headache

[static schooner]

🤷

make baseless claims, get called on it

I'm happy to become smarter, but if the answer is "go Google it, it's your job to find what I'm talking about" 🤷

[forest edge]

or believe what you want

[static schooner]

indeed. without evidence to the contrary, yes

[forest edge]

I actually like the "google it yourself" response. if someone is inclined to dispute something they themselves have no idea about googling it could educate them far more. like HA rule set about try and find the answer yourself..

[static schooner]

that's not usually how claims go

you get that, right?

not my job to prove you right

[forest edge]

I get that these conversations are not usually that formal. people make up thier own minds what to believe and what not to believe. not our job to educate them when they choose to disbelieve something, if something means that much to them then it's thier own duty to seek out the truth

pretty much the same reaction when someone in here disbelieves something someone trying to help them is saying. it's at that point to just step back and let that person find thier own way. which is my suggestion on this very point

[green inlet]

P.S. - I have been googling for the last hour and have found nothing

[forest edge]

atleast you are trying

equal pay act goes back to the early 60's if i recall and there is a whole mess of shit inhbetween

[green inlet]

It is just this discord has people from all over the world and when you provide false information 🤢

[forest edge]

f trying to look that crap up lol

what I know comes from years of experince. i may not remember all details but there is truth in what I say.. no reason to puck shit out my ass for no reason lol

when i was a kid and computers were just coming into the world there was a whole mss of all kinds of shit going on

[green inlet]

Lmao.....cause people don’t pull shit outta there ass here

[forest edge]

my best friend was a system administrator with just a high school diploma before there was even certs out

what is that term they call that kind of attitude

pessimist

[glacial knot]

what? there's all the reason to be pessimistic about employee protection in the US D:

[forest edge]

thats not very nice

[glacial knot]

it's not meant to be 😂

the fact that feds don't overrule at-will employment states alone is reason enough to not be nice about US employment regulation

[green inlet]

See Sonoma 😉

[forest edge]

see what

[green inlet]

It’s all good man....go to sleep....you have goat and chickens to feed in the am

[forest edge]

it's one thing for the cali to make those remarks but you attempting to do it with that straw sticking out of your mouth and confederate flag on the wall behind you just dosen't work.

[glacial knot]

#the-water-cooler message

[forest edge]

besides don't you have to go get in line for gas rather than debating rather if people who pay for education should be backed by us law or not on their right for equal pay?

[glacial knot]

equal pay has nothing to do with what you are claiming

[last dirge]

low pay? git gud

[glacial knot]

and there's a rather big difference between should and is
did you take all the straws from pdo to build that strawman?

most git users shouldn't be in the low pay category

[last dirge]

I had to learn how to squash

new place was like "what the hell is this PR?"

gettin used to git flow

[forest edge]

just in time for something else to come out and needing to learn shit ll over again

[glacial knot]

squashing :3
interactive rebase is an important skill if you want clean histories

[last dirge]

yeah

[green inlet]

Imho, anything contrary to performance based pay just builds a lazy over paid workforce

[glacial knot]

I'm personally not a fan of hourly, I'd prefer if they mapped it to projects
But anything decent is a lot of work and hard to do.
So we have some aproximation and some guesswork. Unless they are poaching you, your new employer isn't going to have any idea of performance before a couple months into the job

[green inlet]

It’s pretty easy to see if people are hard workers or not....you can usually tell within the first couple weeks....can you not get fired for poor performance where you live. While any company can fire you at will here (I think, I am not 100% on that) the fact of the matter is anyone can sue anyone for anything and wrongful termination is a very real thing g here

Actually a little google proves me wrong.

[forest edge]

so dependent on google these days

[green inlet]

https://www.kingsleykingsley.com/examples-of-wrongful-termination

[glacial knot]

can you not get fired for poor performance where you live
no

[last dirge]

like, not at all?

[green inlet]

Wow, so what is your experience? Lots of hard workers or lots of lazy people?

[last dirge]

or "there's a whole lot of prerequisite steps"?

[glacial knot]

if it's to the point of not doing any work, it's a breach of contract and fair game

[forest edge]

i would imagine or holy shit 80% of the work force is shiet

[last dirge]

I think the US puts far too much emphasis on individual employee productivity

[forest edge]

not to mention most jobs don't require a contract lol

[last dirge]

automation's a comin'

[glacial knot]

a mix? I'd say we have more people working hard than slacking
And a couple that just don't align their work with "work" which makes outcomes iffy. But that's a management mistake in most cases

But this is my first job, so the sample size is tiny.
At my uni jobs, things were different. But that's academics

[green inlet]

What else is there?

[glacial knot]

verbal agreements can also be contracts

But in this case, employment is actually the single contract category that's required to be written here

[ashen kayak]

employee productivity is highly subjective to the job

[last dirge]

and also not a really good "catch all" metric

if you only measure a person's worth by what value they add to shareholders, you're doing it wrong

[glacial knot]

*worth to the company

[last dirge]

same thing for a public company

[forest edge]

i mean in some apsects it makes some sense

[last dirge]

eh

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/abuelo-simpson-grandpa-abraham-the-simpsons-gif-7855872

[green inlet]

If you provide no value, why else should they pay you?

[forest edge]

it's cheaper to cycle employs then to restructure the job