Down with the enlightenment
#the-water-cooler
cedar chasm
crude acorn
well if you try to compile again and it throws an error let me know, i might be able to tell you what is causing it. There are some other people using this code as well and i've walked them through it. All those config variables allow them to use on their experiments
lapis cipher
code for that "hey there's more ports than i will ever need during my life" board? ๐
crude acorn
yes, would you believe there is an an add on board that allows 4x (16 more ports)
lapis cipher
๐ just kidding, cool board, please update on your progress, i'm very much interested
deft pewter
You're all lost. Please go to #diy-archived and mute this channel.
glacial knot
Ports? GPIO?
lapis cipher
i have not yet done any math for the possible io needs, need to go clean up the greenhaus, its again a perfect spring weather
should probably did some ground cables also during the summer for electricity to there and also to chicken coops, now they are more of a extension cord-connected.. Problem is/was figuring out where to get the electricity out from the mains panel
deft pewter
My thoughts exactly ๐
clear ferry
crude acorn
earlier the better to bury those cables. I ran ethernet and 4 wire alarm cables around my back yard and woods early last year so the grass would come in for the spring.
clear ferry
I'm hoping I can control a valve 7 meters away from my greenhouse with an Ethernet cable to that board
That would be handy
crude acorn
with a relay connected to the port? I can control these with my board.
so I have sprinkler valaves connected to these in my back yard
clear ferry
Aye, that was the plan, but now we are actually treading into #diy-archived talk
๐คฃ
crude acorn
lol
clear ferry
Damn mono
lapis cipher
lets quickly fix with some random rant, opnsense SUCKS
glacial knot
only use archlinux!
lapis cipher
ok, now we can get back to garden stuff.. valves, need to browse china a bit, started yesterday but movie took over
clear ferry
Caldera Linux or bust
Reminds me, I was going to make a VM image of supervised based on Hannah Montana Linux
Just to share it with people who ask questions about supervised
last cedar
Hannah who
lapis cipher
what??
glacial knot
I've been playing a bit with SNMP. I can get some fancy values out of my network gear ๐
lapis cipher
btw good series, i've watched just about all with my kid ๐
glacial knot
why not rebecca black OS?
last cedar
Is that jack blacks sister?
clear ferry
Btw, I got accepted to the Norwegian engineers union yesterday
Without being an engineer
crude acorn
engineer union a pain in my rear daily
deft pewter
Without being an engineer
Liar. By definition, you're an engineer if you're a member ๐
clear ferry
I am now it seems
crude acorn
locomotive engineer
deft pewter
Hannah who
It's that girl that looks just like Miley Cyrus
dusky plank
took me only 3 years ๐
deft pewter
Took me 4 years but only because I was doing it alongside a full time job ๐
deft pewter
Didn't fancy doing my honours project and the other modules and 35 hour work weeks all at once.
deft pewter
Five years cramped into three?
A lot of countries do 3 year degrees ๐คทโโ๏ธ
clear ferry
I didn't fancy any education at all ๐คฃ
We can do a master's in three years here, but it is hard
deft pewter
If your profession demands 5-7 years of higher education, you're probably training to be a doctor or a lawyer.
glacial knot
5 years is normal masters degree
deft pewter
Bachelors = 3 years. Masters is typically 2 years. PhD... the rest of your life ๐ข
clear ferry
Had a friend who did a doctorate in 7 years, I was impressed
deft pewter
You mean 5 years for Bachelors and Masters combined, right? Not just for the top-up to Masters?
clear ferry
Bachelor 
clear ferry
In the past I think you got an engineer title for bachelor, now you need a master's here I'm sure
Had a friend who spent 12 years on his master's, afaik he works at the local gas station now ๐คฃ
I'm not sure how it translates to other countries, but my education is so vocational, I can't even start a bachelor without doing a prep year or two
I'm missing what we call "general knowledge education"
glacial knot
to be admissible to higher-ed, or to actually know what you are doing?
clear ferry
Just to be able to apply
dusky plank
I'm better educated than some masters here ๐คทโโ๏ธ
crude acorn
the only way I would do more college is if it gave me a promised significant pay bump. There needs to be a return on all the time and money invested
clear ferry
Like my wife says "I don't know anyone as smart as you that are so stupid"
I already earn 20-30% more than my friends and colleagues with higher education, so that would be hard
Heck, I earn 100% more than some people I know with bachelor's
crude acorn
then aint worth it. i hired out on the RR after my 2 year degree in computer science. friends say I sold out but I'll be retured 5 to 10 years before them
retired
clear ferry
Exactly, especially in the us with your interesting expensive education
My wife pays $50 per year for her masters
deft pewter
Just to be able to apply
This is a joke. You study to learn, why should you have to prove you've learned to study?
clear ferry
I need the general knowledge subjects passed
hushed basalt
To stop neckbeards like atx taking up valuable class capacity
clear ferry
deft pewter
To stop neckbeards like atx taking up valuable class capacity
Like school classes or class-based society? ๐
Keep him down with the peasants.
deft pewter
dusky plank
so you don't even know how jpeg or mpeg compression works? pffffft
crude acorn
like I tell the people all the time "I am a wealth of useless knowledge"
deft pewter
I know a lot of stuff, just very little useful stuff
I mean... you've specialised. That's not a bad thing.
You're like those COBOL programmers that people have to pay a small fortune for simple work ๐
clear ferry
I'm not specialized
I'm a generalist
I can fix any problem on any system even if I have never touched it before
๐คฃ
deft pewter
The number of times you've said 'I'm the only person in Europe that knows these things'...
clear ferry
Well yes
deft pewter
That's pretty specialised.
clear ferry
That is because everyone else who has ever touched them are dead
Or retired
But that is only 25% of the products I deal with
glacial knot
sounds like knowledge no-one needs then ๐
crude acorn
COBOL...my company still has many many functions that run it
clear ferry
They don't, until a 20 year old server stops, in some shipping company
๐คฃ
Or when stuff stops in oil and gas, where each consultant working on the system costs $2000 per hour, and there are five of them
glacial knot
so you charge a 10k hourly rate?
clear ferry
I don't cost that much, just $400 per hour, plus $1300 startup extra if rushed, plus parts and extras
dusky plank
I search for a 5m usb c/tb 3 cable. is there some kind available? Only active ones I see top at 5gbit
glacial knot
is that in spec for USB 3? I think USB has very short max cable-length in the spec
yea, it's apparently 2m for USB-3. So anything above that is out of spec
clear ferry
There is also the reason why usb3 didn't include optical in the default cable
As intended
Because consumers are idjits
crude acorn
my brains done, time to start the grill and smoke some ribs
dusky plank
mhmm well done brain and ribs
crude acorn
trying to get auto discovery mqtt to work shouldnt be this hard
clear ferry
last cedar
Accidentally bought this whilst I was down town
lapis cipher
๐ฎ
cedar chasm
Accidentally bought this whilst I was down town
I miss being able to buy things accidentally.
cedar chasm
I was alluding to the fact that apparently you can still browse in a store in Sweden
last cedar
That is the old technic set from like 96 or 97
Oh, I haven't been to town for maybe 4 months
Because I kept accidentally buying lego
It got expensive
cedar chasm
Happy accidents, surely
last cedar
This happened last time I went to town
The person I live with doesn't know I got a bonus, so she was shocked when I bought the shuttle
Tbh I think they messed up the price. They had a sticker for 1799.lego has it out of stock for 1999 so I think it should have been more. No other Swedish store had it, so that is why I got it now
last cedar
Why is there no gif of a raccoon guarding money
deft pewter
Raccoons have no need for money. They just take anything they want.
glacial knot
what if they want money?
lapis cipher
heh, can see from many meters away Michelle is around ๐
clear ferry
I'm actually pretty decent driving day cruisers and using echo localisation to find fish
clever mortar
I have never crashed a ship
I also have never been responsible for controlling one, so there may be a link...
deft pewter
I also have never been responsible for controlling one, so there may be a link.....
I've only piloted really small stuff but still never crashed. Just gotta take it slow and steady, since the motion's completely different to driving anything on solid ground.
deft pewter
This was on the Tyne, so not only do you have pretty strong currents, it's got such a wide estuary that it's tidal too... ๐คข
clear ferry
And I only drive on the ocean
None of that river / channel nonsense
Here is a great place to boat
Festet knappenรฅl
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rzqURiViQ5xEZdgs5
deft pewter
If we ever move somewhere where boat ownership and mooring fees aren't ridiculous, I'd love to actually get properly trained/certified.
clear ferry
Or here Festet knappenรฅl
https://maps.app.goo.gl/A3GGJXphxWHDf3ur8
glacial knot
Think, why waste time lot words, few words do
lapis cipher
i've been sailing quite a bit, last summer i moved one boat from north to south, was pretty unfavorable weathers so long days and nights, took two weeks but included days off in the cities
deft pewter
So when's this boat party you're hosting?
lapis cipher
i was also asked to sail a boat from portugal to tenerife but that trip got eventually cancelled due to weather and haven't heard since
deft pewter
No boat party then...
lapis cipher
sorry, been lately on others boats, i have a small 22 feet sail boat but it hasn't been on waters for some time now
brisk glen
@clever mortar god dam it, I see you config and now I have to redo mine... since I like your layout better
hello 1 week about to be gone due to this project
stupid ocd liking others stupid ocd
clever mortar
burnt cave
do bug zappers actually work?
clear ferry
clever mortar
You have 4 arms?
How do you think I can be active in so many channels at once...
last cedar
clear ferry
Reminds me of this one scene in Ghost in the shell
Didn't get my coral recognized in doods
But it was discovered by frigate
So I'm trying that out
tidal bronze
@forest edge sand works ๐คฃ
low harness
I'm currently working with a customer who has requested a 30 year design life for our product.
After talking with some colleagues about it I decided it was less trouble to just ignore that and design it for 40 years lifespan as usual...
Costs a bit more than a washing machine, though.
clever mortar
Well, technically if it has a 40 year lifespan, it has a 30 year lifespan...
last cedar
You clearly don't work at GEs washing machine division
low harness
I don't think they'll complain.
clever mortar
You just get a bonus 10 years
low harness
Though they did ask for a price on a 10 year design life extension... not quite sure what to say about that.
last cedar
Mieles are designed for a lot longer life than 18 months, but you pay for it
clever mortar
The answer surely is to charge them the same for 30 as for 40, and then charge an extra 20% for the next 10 years as an idiot tax
clear ferry
If only my customers would retire their 18 year old servers
clever mortar
Idiot tax is always the way, and sometimes people pay it...
last cedar
Servers design life is forever though
clever mortar
Well, the design life is usually 99% of the time you actually needed it for, or 1 second after the warranty expired
last cedar
Why should they be retired, they should consume 500W to get 1/100th the amount of work a raspi does
clear ferry
I was thinking of dl380 g3s
last cedar
Mmmm
clear ferry
But I still see k-class machines running
last cedar
Is that even a 771? Super oof
fiery sorrel
๐
I am reinstalling my home assistant on a newer OS,
I didn't document anything the first time ...
I am doing exactely the same thing now ! ๐
Just discover that opzw need udevlib ... see ! i give myself some nice surprise by not documenting !
clever mortar
And... clearly you should be using another install method
#449717345808547842 is calling you
fiery sorrel
nooooo !
low harness
Yeah. Do yourself a favor.
clever mortar
Nah, bad is posting about HA in the #the-water-cooler channel
fiery sorrel
oh well, it was more based as a joke, sorry ๐
clever mortar
That's ok, it's too early in the night to start the floggins
clever mortar
Well, I save the defenestration for more serious offences
fiery sorrel
i wonder what kind of thing would lead to such a mesure, but i'm sure i'll find out on my own some day :D
fiery sorrel
i won't kink shame atxbyea :)
fiery sorrel
i am still in the anger phase... soon i guess
clear ferry
fiery sorrel
we had one of those, it was only suposed to be a zabix for out netapp support ...
Guess which vm got compromised by the lastest sudo security bug :)
i don't know how, why or what, but they found one case on a client and had to assume all of theme could have been hit
do you know if there is something higher-end than 3par storage at HPe now atxbyea ?
clear ferry
Well, the Hitachi storage systems we have sold for two decades is higher end
fiery sorrel
what ?
clear ferry
XP storage
Current gen is XP7 if memory serves right
I don't fiddle too much with them
I've worked a bit with xp12000 and 24000
fiery sorrel
i am so suprised ... it was "the new thing", supossed to beat all other storage system available ... damn salesman !
fiery sorrel
i've supervised the deployement of 20 bay of 3par at my old job 3y ago
with the cost of those thing ... dead now ...
that my tax money :(
clear ferry
3par scales to 1920 drives since.... 10k if memory serves right
I've never seen any bigger than 1200 drives though
clear ferry
Would say 90% of drives we sell today are ssds, 16tb+
fiery sorrel
but i was a newbe, and so shocked when i heard that you pay for the switch, the cable, the card on the other end, Then a licence for the switch, a licence to use that port, and a licences of the port on the other end....
but now, tesla sell licence to use the heated seat on your care ... so ๐คท
deft pewter
I really hope consumers refuse to pay for that shit. I hope that's not the future for consumer goods.
forest edge
<@104768700069990400> sand works ๐คฃ
i think your orange might need a tampon
fiery sorrel
i have no hope mono :(
tidal bronze
@forest edge first time you seeing blood orange ๐คฃ
forest edge
lol no
tidal bronze
I was searching for romantic getaways in US and KC came up at number 17 ๐ค
What gives ?
Anything romantic down there?
burnt cave
google fiber?
gigabit internet is pretty romantic
some people like their bbq but it's crap imo
memphis and texas bbq 4lyfe
tidal bronze
Debatable but ok ๐
burnt cave
we get the world championship bbq contest in memphis
hard to beat that
in fact it's happening right now
well
in may
so not far off
tidal bronze
Unless it's Michelin rated its debatable ๐
forest edge
I was searching for romantic getaways in US and KC came up at number 17 ๐ค
no idea. country side and bbq?
burnt cave
i will say, korean bbq is really good
tidal bronze
No idea. Buy it was 17 so better than 20
forest edge
we use to have a revolving restaurant that overlooked the city. that was romantic back in the day lol
burnt cave
@tidal bronze if you want actual romantic destination it depends on what you want ig
you could rent a cabin in the woods in a lot of places, that's pretty romantic
if you're into that sort of thing anyway
forest edge
yea we have a few of those bed n breakfast things
fiery sorrel
i have some creepy vibe ...
tidal bronze
I agree. Don't know what to do. Thinking of going to Scotland and doing a distillery tour. @burnt cave
burnt cave
prob no major coastal cities given the excessive homeless populations right now
forest edge
but hell i would go south down towards the ozarks for that kind of shit lol
burnt cave
crackheads pooping on the sidewalk in front of your hotel kills the mood a bit
forest edge
@tidal bronze you would probably like the ozarks. cept the mosquitoes
burnt cave
could hit up a national park, most of them have lodging available
tidal bronze
Mosquitoes? What's that ?
forest edge
plenty of running trails etc.. you know all that nature lettuce eater bs crap
burnt cave
not very romantic but cedar point kicks ass
forest edge
i would go after covid is nothing more than a memory tho.. apparently politicians like to go down there infected and spread the "good word"
tidal bronze
Gotta come down to KC and see what's all about.
burnt cave
i hear KC is awesome to live in
forest edge
and fields lol
burnt cave
QOL wise
forest edge
oh yea
burnt cave
but i've never heard of it being a popular tourist destination
forest edge
course i seen some rural kanas towns that are way more homely tho lol
tidal bronze
So cows are not romantic?๐ค
tidal bronze
That all day and twice on Sunday
tidal bronze
Note to self: 9 AM is too early to start drinking whiskey
forest edge
i live on the line between cowgirls and city folk. why so many like it here. it's like both worlds lol
tidal bronze
Cowgirls ?
forest edge
short trip to cow patty heaven and then back to ikea
tidal bronze
Aren't they gender neutral ?
forest edge
lol thats right cowgirls don't exsist in cali.. too busy on the beach lol
clear ferry
Cowpeople @tidal bronze
forest edge
norcow?
forest edge
hefer is what your thinking
clear ferry
burnt cave
a heifer is a cow that has not given birth yet
clear ferry
tidal bronze
@forest edge you trying to say you simple ?
clear ferry
Actual GIFs of @forest edge
tidal bronze
Didn't know he was a failed sailer
forest edge
do modern vikings sail?
tidal bronze
He tried his best and got stuck sideways it seems.
tidal bronze
atx wishes he could look as good as me lol
Thats a pretty low bar ๐ค
shell pecan
i just thought of a cool HA thing i want to try
stick a microphone outside
and play the outdoors noises inside
like the birds chirping is so relaxing
i was watching an outdoor camera on my TV and realized how damn nice it is
burnt cave
sounds like opening a window with extra steps
shell pecan
something like that
i also thought of putting a TV up on the wall then a camera outside
so itโs like a fake window lol
(in the basement)
clear ferry
shell pecan
i dunno i kinda want to wake up to birds chirping
last cedar
Buy a bird
shell pecan
shit
last cedar
shell pecan
NOOIIOOO
shell pecan
you stop choking that chicken
clear ferry
Come back to me when I've killed all the birds that start yapping at 5.30
clear ferry
Naughty
last cedar
She had to give it to a sanctuary
burnt cave
wew tornado touched down near me just now
i love how every room of my house has windows
subtle pasture
That feel when you replace a light fixture, and it basically crumbles as you try to remove it from the wall...
"How were you still functioning? ...How have you not started a fire!?!"
hushed basalt
subtle pasture
#dinglehopper
last cedar
"How were you still functioning? ...How have you not started a fire!?!"
Sounds like everything in our appartment
clear ferry
last cedar
Main switch melted and short circuited. Loose connections in every junctionbox, a light socket got hot and melted and welded the metal to metal.
I ended up redoing it all because it was dangerous and I couldn't get them to come and redo everything before it set on fire.
I will not live in a dangerous place electrically
last cedar
We had them out 6 times in 3 years for dangerous stuff every time, enough was enough. I am very pleased I am moving.
Redo all electric system at new place is job number 1
Sorting it for electric car charging, for future solar panel and surge protection for who house at the same time, to have it done
amber shard
conbee/deconz mesh collapsed on me again : ^ ) I might just lose my shit and move to zigbee2mqtt
last cedar
I have that watch face @hushed basalt
So appropriate for this house
We haven't had a water leak yet. But it is overdue
hushed basalt
I think my new house has okay electricals
Other than possible dodgey diy stuff from the owners
But it would only be some lights and I'll be replacing those anyways.
I just need to figure out what I want
I want the reliability of shelly modules in light switch boxes, but I want the color temp control of zigbee bulbs...
I just wish someone made IC4 downlights that had two colour arrays externally accessible
clear ferry
In Sweden you can do mostly anything yourself electrical
In Australia nothing
They are opposites
fallow karma
You can't do anything with YOUR electrical?
glacial knot
If I touch the 230V line at all here in Germany, a bunch of insurances get iffy and might not pay out
fallow karma
So, I am your neighbour, but slav, so ppl don't care so much about regulations here . I'm certified electrician anyway, up to 1 kV
clear ferry
In norway we do a lot ourselves, even though we aren't allowed
glacial knot
I've done a bunch of minor stuff. But any larger changes you'd at least need a licensed electrician to check it. And at that point, it's not worth the effort for money saved for me
fallow karma
Licensed electrician have to check every new building , and some period chcecs on commercial used buildings
glacial knot
The guy checking our offices just shakes his head all day when he's in
fallow karma
We do lot ourselves, but before 'they' turn on your power, or water, or gas, there has to be document signed by licensed specialist
I am not afraid to do everything with electricity, water, heating, and so, by myself, but gas is to dangerous for DIY.
fallow karma
So, if they forbade it, will they pay for change plug ๐
hushed basalt
No you pay an electrician $250/hour
fallow karma
Unfair
last cedar
I am running all cables in new house but someone else can connect it all.
I haven't done energy meters or surge protection, so good that it is done right
glacial knot
yea, light bulb is about the closest you'd be allowed to get to mains
fallow karma
Check protection line in new house is the priority
last cedar
No you pay an electrician $250/hour
This is so true. Electricians get all the hot girls. And the best pay
They leave us alarm techs with no hot girls or money
glacial knot
I think most people change their light fixtures and some some other minor stuff themselves. But I also know people that get a professional for stuff like that
glacial knot
alarm tech? o.0
fallow karma
I've made few alarms, but particularly I'am car electronics/electric tech
But modern car are 400V too
So I had to make a licenses
last cedar
I just do with buildings. Cameras, door entry and alarm
glacial knot
EVs. And at least some have modular batteries, so they only go over 60V at final assembly
fallow karma
But lines are 400, even a/c compressor
last cedar
Very HA appropriate
I don't do much with cars apart from repair old volvo sometimes ๐คฃ
glacial knot
I drive mine
clear ferry
I've used to repair my German wagens for 20 years, don't have much time for that anymore
glacial knot
I'm just sad there's no V40 equivalent currently :/
glacial knot
that looks like the result of the good old Etherkill
fallow karma
Tiny cable for telephone module touched some ground
Sadly few tiny cables was feed from fat one, and 30A fuse
But car was extremely cheap, I repaired it in 2 days with used parts, no need Authorised Service, because luckily cloned dumps from both MCU's
And also luckily mileage was low, it couldn't be verified with no power
๐
last cedar
V50 isn't a real volvo though ๐คฃ
fallow karma
It's Focus, but focus had best suspension in class. But mine has genuine Volvo engine, 5-cyl gasoline
Btw People likes V50 interior design, thruth is: sure, its pretty, but there's totally lack of space. No place to hide your wallet, door pockets are smaller than cigarette box, and rear doors are to small to put big suitcase vertically (station wagon!)
And closed audio system with fiber optic: no chance to add aux or BT , if you factory setup didn't provide that
glacial knot
Does it have audio-cassette? Because there's AUX and BT variants of those ๐
clear ferry
@fallow karma genuine Volvo 5cyl you say, you mean the engine they licenced from VAG ๐คฃ
clear ferry
Aye, I love the i5
I've played a lot with it on the old 2.2 and 2.3 configuration of Audi
And my current V70 has the normally aspired 2.4
With sport exhaust
clear ferry
If memory serves right, Volvo licensed the 2.5 Audi diesel block, and used it for petrol and turbo
And then used that as the basis for all other i5s
last cedar
Aha, sounds very possible tbh
clear ferry
Volvo also used a VW i6 in the 240
My father had one of those
That was interesting
Diesel
last cedar
Absolutely lovely engines all of them tbh
clear ferry
VW d24 engine
crude acorn
you all need some good old american muscle cars
deft pewter
Yes. The world needs more 12L engines that do 5mpg.
The sooner we go all-electric, the better.
fallow karma
<@132797827230334976> genuine Volvo 5cyl you say, you mean the engine they licen...
I didn't know that, was sure only diesel is taken from VW
crude acorn
deft pewter
/r/nocontextpics
crude acorn
thats how we get own electric here
deft pewter
Ok... so invest in renewables ๐คทโโ๏ธ
@clear ferry - posting here cos it's way off topic in : https://www.humblebundle.com/software/intro-to-code-2021-software
There's Python stuff in there, including ML and data analysis.
crude acorn
thats what my alarm panel looked like when i moved in
deft pewter
The scary bit is that you're looking at the alarm panel of a professional alarm technician...
crude acorn
well dang, HA just added 64 new binary sensors
clear ferry
NOICE
I wish I had a 4 port mini board of the board I bought from @crude acorn ๐คฃ
just to reuse my PIR sensors
crude acorn
i have them, i made them
clear ferry
๐
fallow karma
Tune your printer
hushed basalt
give me a sec and I will make a quick github for it
Github is pretty big. Might take you a while to make one
Move over Microsoft
crude acorn
true
dusky plank
sooo I want to use vlans but can't wrap my head around it
i have a switch vonfigured like that (mainly just make all ports available for now)
it's connected to port "lan3" on this openwrt router
but as soon as i set lan3 to tagged, the switch is not reachable anymore
crude acorn
Posted it in diy to stay out of the hot seat
glacial knot
but as soon as i set lan3 to tagged, the switch is not reachable anymore
what do you set to tagged? vlan 1? Does it have any untagged vlans?
last cedar
last cedar
The scary bit is that you're looking at the alarm panel of a professional alarm ...
Mmmmm
dusky plank
yes, like that @glacial knot
glacial knot
from where are you trying to reach the switch? Something behind Lan3?
Have you set that something up to use the tagged vlan?
glacial knot
to the router that's on Lan3?
oh. So you are configuring the vlans on the router. Now I get it
Which switch then? And how do you reach it?
glacial knot
yea. that is only running on untagged eth
dusky plank
i set the switch as such
glacial knot
If it's still reachable when configured like that, it's not running the web-ui on the tagged vlan.
My switch has an extra config where I want the web server to be available
dusky plank
cannot find such setting for me
but yeah, even devices hanging off the switch are off after tagging lan3
brisk glen
Do you understand how vlans work?
glacial knot
you'd have the port connected to your router tagged, the others untagged
Unless again, all devices on that switch understand vlan
brisk glen
Okโฆ so vlans are virtual lansโฆ multiple subnets
dusky plank
will try that ongy...
brisk glen
So how do they talk to each other? They need a device to route them
glacial knot
also, check if there's a PVID setting on the switch
mine has that as extra setting. That's where incoming traffic on that port goes
brisk glen
So you need a router or a later 3 switch
glacial knot
vlan is layer2
brisk glen
For vlan routingโฆ. Layer 3 switch or router
glacial knot
But are they configured to expect your network tagged?
brisk glen
If you use a router, you need a trunk link with all vlans
And the router needs to know about all the vlans to route
dusky plank
do you see the screenshots up there ^^
ok router has lan3 tagged
switch has everything except port to router untagged
can reach clients on switch, but not UI anymore
clear ferry
For vlan routingโฆ. Layer 3 switch or router
Or a switch that does intra vlan routing
brisk glen
@clear ferry aka layer 3 switchโฆ.
clear ferry
There are some not full layer 3 switches that do that
brisk glen
ISO osi
glacial knot
try to reach the switch interface from one of the connected client ๐
dusky plank
that works indeed ^
glacial knot
no. Layer3 is unrelated to vlan
dusky plank
but not from the router
glacial knot
yea, your switch is dumb ๐
dusky plank
i have a newer one of the same model
i think this one will work tho, it always responded
glacial knot
I'd personally just not try and set the Management vlan tagged. I think mine supports it (and i can pick the management vlan) but unless there's a real need to do it, it sounds like a step for extra errors
brisk glen
Right, let me make a bunch of layer 2 vlans that canโt talk to each other
If you are vlanning.. you probably want them to talk to each other
Why you need layer 3โฆ
glacial knot
and sure. My cable is layer 3, because that's required for anything useful to happen on it
brisk glen
UniFi has the Easest vlan setup
clear ferry
Unifi ๐คข
brisk glen
Not made of money
dull chasm
No Doubt ....Some here must be
clear ferry
glacial knot
sounds like we need to cut atx up and divide them between all of us
btw. atx, do you know when one would configure multiple vlans to be untagged on a port? I guess for uni-directional broadcast traffic?
clear ferry
You don't
You can do hybrid vlans... Which kinda do two untagged vlans on a funky... Setup
Mostly for VoIP and computer combo passthrough setups
dusky plank
so situation is following:
I have a apple tv behind 2 of those "dumb" switches (hangs on switch 2)
I want that apple tv isolated and only talk to my HA host which is on switch 1 (between router and switch 2) and the internet
what's the best approach for this?
glacial knot
yea, my switch has mac and protocol based VLAN (I should look, but it's layer4 capable) so I could do a lot there. But I see 0 need for it
glacial knot
it can do that as well. But also other dumb stuff.
I.e. I can configure a mac-address and set a vlan for it. So I could put multiple downstream devices on the same port on different vlans
And something protocol based. But the interface isn't too helpful how that works :/
I know the ACLs it supports can do IP into Layer4 port filters. So I'd expect the vlan config to do that as well.
but I just get "protocol" there. So I guess it's by ethertype
clear ferry
Never seen that before
But usually all switches I work with are managed
So makes no sense
glacial knot
https://kb.netgear.com/21602/How-do-I-create-a-protocol-based-VLAN-using-the-web-interface-on-my-managed-switch yea, ethertype only it seems
glacial knot
it's painfully slow
but it's good enough for what I need at home. And not made out of money^^
glacial knot
...
which switch vendor do you prefer then?
I need to look into a PoE capable switch when I next upgrade
dull chasm
@clear ferry so you are old and antique
clear ferry
That I have never refuted
dull chasm
and still doing 285 serial for comms
and 4 wire ethernet .....two tx and two rx ....LOL
clear ferry
But I'm quite biased, so Comware - Provision - ArubaOS - Catalyst - Nexus
clear ferry
and 4 wire ethernet .....two tx and two rx ....LOL
You are trying to say that 1000BaseTX is inferior to 1000BaseT, good thing the latter died mostly
clear ferry
and still doing 285 serial for comms
Sorry, I'm not that old, I prefer rs232
dull chasm
yea i mispoke 485 vs 232
last cedar
@clear ferry your hard drives give me anxiety.
glacial knot
sounds like torture
clear ferry
Hope some interesting network projects come in soon
Haven't had anything of interesting size since 2016
25000 ports / 1500 APs
last cedar
Edge you a bit
That's dirty :)
dusky plank
my project is also interesting, I work with dumb switches
clear ferry
๐คข
deft pewter
I work with dumb people.
glacial knot
I wanted to make that joke. But held back
dusky plank
so I have now a vlan id 3 on my router
everything works on vlan id 1 so far
now i want a client on a second switch (client from switch 1 hanging on router) to be on vlan3
this is the router, switch 1 is still on lan3, lan3 has vlan 1 and 3 tagged
this is switch #1, port 7 is from router, port 8 is to switch #2
glacial knot
and your question?
dusky plank
this is switch #2, client i want to have in vlan 3 is on port 8,
switch #1 is connected to port 1
clear ferry
conf t
int 2/35
switchport access vlan 3
switchport trunk permit vlan 4-7,9
exit
wr mem
GUI vlan
dusky plank
my question is - why is the client on port 8, switch #2 not getting a ip by the router and also cannot find it apparently
glacial knot
do you have a dhcp server on the vlan?
and is it untagged on port8 on the Switch#2?
clear ferry
Doesn't have to be untagged to be management vlan
As long as the switch knows what vlan to use
dusky plank
and is it untagged on port8 on the Switch#2?
port 1 vlan 1&3 is tagged, port 8 is untagged
glacial knot
then I'd check what the router currently does with vlan3. since that's a different network all together
dusky plank
oh, i might need to add a new iface for vlan3 ?
glacial knot
dunno how it works with wrt
But you should think of vlan3 the same you think of physical different networks you don't have a switch between.
So you need a 2nd set of dns/dhcp/ip-subnet etc.
what are you trying to do with your vlans?
dusky plank
yup, new interface and dhcp was it, thank you very much!
trying to separate this client from the rest
glacial knot
ahh
My hue hub got a private vlan currently
though I'll probably put 2 other devices on that later on
clear ferry
Eh, I just block devices in the firewall
glacial knot
is your firewall your switch, or how does that do internal separation?
clear ferry
My firewall is my opnsense box, on the perimiter
I do internal seperation via vlans, but they mostly don't talk together
My wife has her malware vlan, I have an IoT vlan with no devices on it and a lab vlan that has its own router and wan address
deft pewter
Isn't that just a vlan where all the plebes get to browse the internet without any proper judgement?
glacial knot
for a moment I thought she might be a windows user D:
clear ferry
Goes straight out to wan, no routing internally to other vlans
A large part of her master's has been to analyze and deconstruct malware and other fun stuff
glacial knot
and they didn't provide infrastructure to do that?
clear ferry
She runs it in VMs, but I've blocked off her whole desktop
Because they need internet accees
Because she need to intercept and see traffic when the malware operates
glacial knot
we simply spent a couple 100k at the chair to provide infrastructure to students to do dumb stuff, when I was a student
clear ferry
She has borrowed a few VMs from me as needed too, in the same vlan
I've got ... 30 or so spare cores that can spin up on need, and 32TB of SSD storage that just sits idle
glacial knot
why? And who payed for that? o.0
clear ferry
Because it is my lab
And I just brought it home from work
Like everything else in my rack
And outside it
glacial knot
for home office, or is that just spares?
last cedar
I like your segmentation Atx
glacial knot
it sounds like your lab is better equipped than our production infrastructure :/
clear ferry
I like your segmentation Atx
@glacial knot storage is a r510 with 70 or so TB of storage, compute is a mini itx for docker, and a dl380gen9 for vsphere7, I have a full blade enclosure o n standby, I have a few hpux boxes, a few tape libraries, some spare G5 servers, 40g core switches, 10g edge with Poe, and I have as needed powered on Cisco Nexus and Cisco catalyst switches, plus extreme networks switches, also have an eva8000 if needed to test something, and some brocade switches, plus different generations of procurve and comware switches if needed
And also... Those 40 or so access points I have in boxes still
glacial knot
that just sounds overkill
brisk glen
And before @clear ferry has active Cisco ๏ฟผ Licences
opaque girder
He just likes to flex
clear ferry
He just likes to flex
clear ferry
that just sounds overkill
It is only.... 5% of what I work with, so gotta have something to lab with at any given point
glacial knot
where do you work again? I might like your infra ๐ฎ
clear ferry
glacial knot
ah
glacial knot
you are neither in the branch we cooperate with, nor the one with compete with. So: sure
clear ferry
We just run a lot of the world infrastructure
Not that big
With Unix systems that will live 30 more years
deft pewter
atx literally runs Norway's infrastructure in his garage.
clear ferry
To be fair I have more tech than most SMB customers
glacial knot
sounds like he got 30% of the country's network hardware in his cellar
last cedar
Only 30%?
clear ferry
glacial knot
How much can you switch on your hardware? https://www.nix.no/ 160G sounds like it's not that much more than what you could handle
deft pewter
By not asking
velvet horizon
deft pewter
I am, apparently, neither knowledgeable nor worthy.
opaque girder
and definitely don't go from white to Jedi ๐
glacial knot
I said ladder intentionally, because I assumed padawan is the in-between step
opaque girder
Apologies I read too quickly haha
glacial knot
I wonder if I'll build the capacity to idle watch any channel that's not shitpost central D:
deft pewter
Forever white.
I mean... it doesn't come with perks or anything, so it's no big deal.
No banhammer, so we can't even tell people to sod off.
glacial knot
but it looks fancy
deft pewter
Meh. It's a colour. Not everyone can see it anyway.
To be honest, I don't even like the shade of orange they give to padawans.
glacial knot
I'm pretty much the only person that sees my display box of old nintendos
I still like it ๐
you are purple on my end ๐
dusky plank
it's purple mono ๐
deft pewter
I know...
Just pointing out that using colours to identify things isn't helpful when some people are colour blind.
fallow karma
F**ck them, democracy and political correctness are whole evil of this world
clever mortar
F**ck them, democracy and political correctness are whole evil of this world
Can I interest you in reading our https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/
Demonstrating empathy and kindness toward other people
last cedar
Purple is absolutely sweet though, as colours go
clever mortar
Ah, but which shade?
last cedar
The purple for Padawan is the best discord purple IMO
opaque girder
Do we need a petition to change the shade of purple?
clever mortar
Everybody gets a subtly different shade, that sadly on typical screens all appear to be the same
glacial knot
do I need the colour accurate screen in the office?
static schooner
I wish the Jedi and link colors were different
glacial knot
hm. Padawan is visited link colour. So it's a match
deft pewter
_Everybody gets a subtly different shade, that sadly on typical screens all appe...
Or confuse people by mixing up the colours daily.
opaque girder
can links have different colours? I assume not
glacial knot
link colour is a css thing afaik
opaque girder
cos could make the links the same colours as discord grey
fallow karma
Fuck people with disabilities? That's harsh.
Ok, I didn't mean to be harsh, but there is less than 10 % colour blind people, so imagine that over 90% of others have to learn different way of traffic lights and stuff like this.
clever mortar
๐ค That's incredibly, well, blinkered thinking
That means that for every 10 people you know, one likely has some form of colour blindness
Think about how many people you know ๐
glacial knot
Traffic lights are a great example. Because they are differentiated by more than colour alone
clever mortar
I've personally worked with people with everything from complete colour blindness, to "just" issues with two colours. That makes you re-think a lot of things
static schooner
that always seemed like a particularly bad choice, considering red/green color blindness
clever mortar
Yeah, but you just know it pre-dates anybody caring
glacial knot
I wonder if that predates, or defined the perception of green as good/go and red as stop/bad
static schooner
deft pewter
At least two people I know of in my department are colour blind. And since it's an 'invisible' disability, there are likely many more. And if they don't talk about it, you don't know how it affects them.
clever mortar
Well, it's an "obvious" choice, if you don't look beyond the immediate situation and think more generally
opaque girder
I thought you meant red/green colour blindness is evolution and I was about to kick off ๐
glacial knot
fun fact: <https://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2013/02/25/language/the-japanese-tr...
I love this one https://jisho.org/search/้ฃใฎ่็ใฏ้ใ since it shows some of the blue/green mixeroo
glacial knot
Red=fire=danger
Since I just saw it while looking up the proper term https://jisho.org/search/ไบบใฎ่ฑใฏ่ตคใ red=good
Also, I'd associate peace with staying around and danger with going. I think the choice is the other way around by those associations
deft pewter
Or... they're arbitrary decisions ๐คทโโ๏ธ
static schooner
like the arbitrary Republican/Democrat colors in the US. It's weird to look at maps even from the early 90s
fallow karma
Conclusion: identify stuff with colours is very helpful for MOST of people
deft pewter
It provides a quick way to distinguish between things for around 90% of people, sure.
10% is not insignificant.
Why not shapes? More people can distinguish between shapes than between colours.
fallow karma
Try to identify wires in car wiring harness with shapes
I haven't seen eg. star shaped wires ๐
deft pewter
If only they could come up with colour conventions for wiring that made it easy to distinguish. Oh, wait... they do.
clever mortar
Yeah, wonder if they could use contrasting coloured stripes or bands ๐ค
dusky plank
I always wondered if it coul dbe possible that people interpret the same colors different... never seen research on that but theoretically a person who sees green as red doesn't know that it's green. so red is green in his mind just because he's been told that it's green
deft pewter
UK wiring, old and new:
Nothing that conflicts with the common kinds of colour blindness.
glacial knot
when do you use the 4 variant?
fallow karma
It's easy, some people can't do some jobs. I can't be prodfesionall basketball player, because I am much too short
deft pewter
If someone wants to use random colours for their own projects, that's cool... but for anything official, those are the colours.
clever mortar
It's easy, some people can't do some jobs. I can't be prodfesionall basketball p...
That's true for a very limited number of things, but the world is thankfully moving away from only gender X can do role Y
deft pewter
It's easy, some people can't do some jobs. I can't be prodfesionall basketball p...
I think I know where this argument is going, so I'll refer you back to this: #the-water-cooler message
glacial knot
It's easy, some people can't do some jobs. I can't be prodfesionall basketball p...
Why limit more than necessary?
Taking colour entirely out is unnecessary. But having only colour as distinction is pretty dumb
And not just for those that can't see it usually. In darker environments (over some coloured lights) it's almost impossible to distinguishe them for anyone
clever mortar
I think I know where this argument is going, so I'll refer you back to this: htt...
Eh, it's fine, if they want to get themselves a timeout for breaking the CoCo... I'm good with delivering that
glacial knot
UK wiring, old and new:
Do you know when the bottom variant is used? I know 3/5/7 here
deft pewter
Not sure. I've never used 4-core, so I've never needed to learn
All the common household wiring that I'm allowed to touch is 3-core ๐
clever mortar
Four core I think is mostly used in lighting in domestic setups
clear ferry
I am, apparently, neither knowledgeable nor worthy.
This is nothing new
deft pewter
Four core I think is _mostly_ used in lighting in domestic setups
I didn't encounter any when replacing some light fittings. Maybe it's somewhere up in the ring mains.
glacial knot
Then probably 1 ground and 2 phase (though probably the same) to have twin-switches on a single line
clear ferry
UK wiring, old and new:
Interesting you switched to the one we have had since.... The 60s I think
glacial knot
you ground your switch housings? o.0
deft pewter
Any switch with a metal faceplate needs to be grounded, yes.
It's okay not to ground a plastic housing with a plastic faceplate.
clear ferry
And any switch going to a wet room here is grounded atleast
deft pewter
It's not to prevent the circuit fucking up, it's to prevent you touching a live surface.
clear ferry
Even if the face is plastic
glacial knot
I don't think I've seen a single metal switch housing or plate here ever
deft pewter
And any switch going to a wet room here is grounded atleast
Can't do wet rooms here if you're not an electrician. Our switches tend to be ceiling mounted in bathrooms anyway.
clever mortar
Most switch housings here are metal, which is annoying when you're looking to make them smart ๐
clear ferry
My daughter's best friends parents bought a house where the guy who built it installed brass ding dong buttons for all light switches
static schooner
Can't do wet rooms here if you're not an electrician. Our switches tend to be ce...
Your switches are mounted on the ceiling?
clever mortar
With a pull cord, yes
clear ferry
What the
clear ferry
You guys are almost as weird as the Americans
static schooner
safety first, usability--
clever mortar
Very normal in older houses, and quite usable
glacial knot
that's where all of your steam goes when you shower
clever mortar
Newer houses put the switches outside the room
deft pewter
What's unusable about it? They come down to about head/shoulder height.
If you're disabled and need a longer cord... add a longer cord.
clever mortar
They're also used in all public toilets for emergency pulls - though in red there ๐
clear ferry
deft pewter
In-laws just had two bathrooms remodelled and did switches outside the doors. Sister in-law hates it... brother in-law turns it off when she's inside ๐
glacial knot
I've seen it be the other way around
Old houses got the switch outside. Anything built in the last 30 to 40 years moved them to inside the rooms o.0
deft pewter
I'm just upset they didn't ask me for help making it all smart.
deft pewter
I've seen it be the other way around
Old houses got the switch outside. Anything...
Weird. Shouldn't go near those with wet hands ๐
glacial knot
Why even do switches these days. There's presence detection for that ๐
because moving through a door is going to magically dry your hands and change anything about that, when the switch is outside D:
clever mortar
Only if you forgot to dry your hands ๐
deft pewter
Which is why you have the switch on the outside, so you're more likely to have dried them before you leave the room.
If the switch were inside the room, people would be tempted to touch them.
fallow karma
Weird. Shouldn't go near those with wet hands ๐
And what about moist in the air after long shower
static schooner
if you're planning to dry your hands, why would you turn off the light first?
deft pewter
Is that even a real question? Humidity isn't gonna electrocute you.
glacial knot
if you're planning to dry your hands, why would you turn off the light first?
Maybe if one is ugly enough that the reflection in the mirror is depressing
fallow karma
Is that even a real question? Humidity isn't gonna electrocute you.
I knew that, but if I take shower long enough, there are water drops on my walls. And yes, I've got air vent
clear ferry
@deft pewter have you learned no arguing technique from @forest edge , under all this argument you have yet to bring up like you have anything of value or well, why would you bother, you aren't the greatest country in the world and other funny tales
deft pewter
I knew that, but if I take shower long enough, there are water drops on my walls...
And if there were bare wires on your wall and you touched them, it'd hurt. I don't see your point.
glacial knot
only if there's power on them
fallow karma
Nevermind. I feel uncomfortable to touch wet light switch, that's all. In mom's old house switch was inside, in my modern apartment it's outside
glacial knot
the main point is, if you overdo it with either the top-mounted ones (or really overdo it with inside in-walls) you could get water in there that shorts the switch
deft pewter
All of which is solved by either using ceiling-mounted switches or having them outside the wet room.
glacial knot
Unless you still got water cupped in your hand, the chance to short from switch electric to your hand is pretty close to 0. Even if you didn't dry your hands
Though the UK switches might be qutie a bit more shallow than ours are here
deft pewter
I think 25mm and 35mm depth are the most common.
fallow karma
Ok ok, everyone is right
glacial knot
ceiling is where the water first accumulates. Unless they are watertight, your ceiling switch gets iffy before wall
clever mortar
Yeah, but that's why the cord exists, with a plastic "break" in it too
It'll take some considerable effort to get that live - maybe to the point where the room is flooded ๐
deft pewter
It'll take some considerable effort to get that live - maybe to the point where ...
I'd say at least 8 feet of flooding before it's really risky.
glacial knot
yea, that protects you. But when the switch shorts you should already have fuses/circuit breakers work
clever mortar
Hopefully by that point people have noticed the problem...
deft pewter
And sometimes, your fuse will short before you're dead. ๐
clever mortar
RCD is a modern thing, and they're so often a piece of junk
Either too sensitive, or not sensitive enough
deft pewter
Still quicker than fuses though, so that's something.
glacial knot
the fuses in my parent's house are 63A that's not going to help
deft pewter
That cow won't be laughing for long.
glacial knot
is that 16A with or without cheese inside?
glacial knot
It's 3x63A fuses
Then the counter thingy, then the house-internal breakers
deft pewter
Next you'll say you have something silly like 400V
fallow karma
3x32 here
forest edge
<@363445247323144192> have you learned no arguing technique from <@1047687000699...
so facts? who would use facts in a argument you say? lol
glacial knot
Hm? Only place that gets access to 400V is the stove
For everything else it's just single phase
fallow karma
Next you'll say you have something silly like 400V
230 phase voltage ,400 line-to-line
glacial knot
I should check if the house got more than 1 ground coming in though. I'm unsure about that one
Imagine you just had one of https://asset.conrad.com/media10/isa/160267/c1/-/de/614069_RB_00_FB/pce-power-twist-035-6-cee-stecker-63-a-5polig-400-v.jpg?x=520&y=520 where the power comes in
fallow karma
And unplug whole house with one move?๐
glacial knot
Yes
forest edge
why
fallow karma
We should imagine, but
forest edge
that would be a point of failure
fallow karma
Ok, guys, I'm serious middle-aged head of the family, so now I've got serious responsibility now: play some game on steam
glacial knot
I already got a point of failure sitting on my couch (I live alone)
last cedar
the main point is, if you overdo it with either the top-mounted ones (or *really...
Normally wet rooms have different "zones" and it is either forbidden to use anything 230V or you need IP rated stuff within others, for precisely this reason
last cedar
Imagine you just had one of https://asset.conrad.com/media10/isa/160267/c1/-/de/...
We don't normally have 63A coming in, or 16mm2 cable for 63A anyway
deft pewter
I don't remember the rules but here it's basically a set distance from the source of the water.
I could probably do some work in bathrooms/kitchens but it's safer not to in case I get the rules wrong ๐
last cedar
Those are Swedish regs, probably different in other countries
IMO best bet for anything in zone 0 1 or 2 is low voltage IP rated
not even 230, just as an extra safety measure, but probably overkill
clear ferry
Similar to us
lapis cipher
and pretty much same here, "surprise"
j0rdf31l5bryt3R
no, that's not my password, just thought it could have been, its kewlized norwegian
lapis cipher
those password might work ๐
clear ferry
I almost laughed my ass off the first time I went to Finland
And went to the store to buy chips
And the wall was full of advertising for megapussi
lapis cipher
the only right size
Went to Lidl today for some adhoc grocery store needs and of course to check the Silvercrest offering for Zigbee-stuff. Nothing but motion sensors, one lonely hub.. But, found a "regular" sized chips (crisps) from some new to me vender, its only 250g while this "mega" is (only) 305g
deft pewter
So mega. 20% more crisps ๐ค
lapis cipher
i honesty thing this mega is the standard size and smaller ones are more of a samples
deft pewter
๐
lapis cipher
i know abroad and i think especially in the uk there's lots of crisps available all around bags are small, it was a shock for me who does that 200-300 g in one go.. ๐
walkers and what not
"We don't half love crisps. We consume, in Britain, around 6bn packets of them (plus 4.4bn bags of other assorted savoury snacks) annually - that's more than everyone else in Europe put together, around 150 packets for each and every one of us each year"
dusky plank
we`re world leaders in beer consumption ๐บ
lapis cipher
that, too, i envy you! two of my worst vices
deft pewter
6bn packets of crisps just in the UK? WTF?
lapis cipher
need to google how much that is in metric tons
deft pewter
There's only 66 million of us.
lapis cipher
oh billion
deft pewter
That's nuts. That's an average of 100 packets a year. And that doesn't account for the people that don't eat them.
I'll have the occasional portion of nachos and chilli for movie night but I hate crisps.
clear ferry
But you also have 900 different hand size packets in the checkout queues @deft pewter
I always grab three whenever I hit a Tesco
lapis cipher
Random old quote from Guardian article so don't take it as a fact
deft pewter
I think they're cutting down on that now, actually. Government are trying to stop shops promoting unhealthy foods.
Although at the moment, every fucking checkout just has masks and hand sanitiser...
deft pewter
I shouldn't mock them too much. I'm overweight at the moment, thanks for the last year of not leaving the house.
clear ferry
I gained 30kg living 9 months in ireland
deft pewter
Starting my running again, almost managed 2.5mi without walking last time ๐
clear ferry
deft pewter
I gained 30kg living 9 months in ireland
lapis cipher
didn't you have that big running event coming up? set that as a target?
deft pewter
didn't you have that big running event coming up? set that as a target?
The half marathon? It's like 6 months away... that's not good motivation ๐
The first time I entered, I didn't train until 6 weeks before.
Strangely, that was my best result...
deft pewter
That sounds fun
I was supposed to do a nighttime half marathon last year that got postponed twice... I don't think it'll ever happen now.
clear ferry
If you never have experienced the midnight sun, you are in for something
lapis cipher
i used to be good runner thought i didn't hobby that much, i am lightweight and could almost run endlessly
clear ferry
I should start working out, I used to be very strong, now I'm just very fat, both naturally
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But the only exercise I enjoy is swimming, and I'm not doing that during covid
deft pewter
i used to be good runner thought i didn't hobby that much, i am lightweight and ...
I struggle with 5km at the moment but I used to do 21km each Sunday before breakfast. I'm trying to get back to that so I can eat massive breakfasts again without feeling guilty.
lapis cipher
Just found myself a new hobby... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB9IdhcFAvY
deft pewter
I've seen gifs of that before. Do they just attach explosives to the hammer and then hit the ground?
First time I saw it, I thought they were hitting landmines or something.
lapis cipher
yup, home-made explosives
deft pewter
They're nuts
clear ferry
Loco
deft pewter
You could even say they're living la vida loca.
Reading up on some vim stuff and I'm sure the author of these docs is trying to summon an elder god:
IPLPPPQPP TPHPLIPpLpItpplpipbp
static schooner
lol
deft pewter
I'm only here to read up on text object selection. I don't care about nroff macros ๐ค