the-water-cooler

[last dirge]

aww yiss, finally installed icue to turn off the disco lights on my headset

[cedar chasm]

but how will recruiters know that you can throw down on the dancefloor?

[brisk glen]

UniFi protect to home bridge > mqtt > ha > doods > ha > push server

[forest edge]

lol wut

[brisk glen]

Im using ha to expand my HomeKit setup lol

[forest edge]

look into frigate

save you a few steps lol

and it's all @tidal bronze 's fault

[brisk glen]

@forest edge I’ll take a look, might have my base64 issues tho

[forest edge]

your image processing path seems a little excessive to me

[brisk glen]

Data looks like this data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4MOREDATAhere

[forest edge]

but then i am not sure wtf you are doing hehe

[brisk glen]

Lol

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/idont-want-any-of-that-no-nope-not-interested-dont-want-that-gif-10955474

[forest edge]

mine just goes from frigate on a remote machine through mqtt to HA and then gets saved and pushed to phone

the only tedious part I haven't figured out how to solve yet is the seperate step to actually save the mqtt image so it can then be pushed to phone

[brisk glen]

I just want to process snapshots

[forest edge]

look into frigate

[brisk glen]

I suppose I could go mqtt to onvif

I’ll take a look

[clear ferry]

Homekit 🤢

Frigate 🤢

[brisk glen]

Ah no needs the rstp stream

[forest edge]

i wanna know how the hell i am going to get leads on those pads down in there to flash this thing lol

[brisk glen]

Very carefully

[deft pewter]

You own smart bulbs? 😮

[forest edge]

before you were born

[clear ferry]

But smart indoor lights are stupid

Someone said

[deft pewter]

I remember it like it were yesterday.

[hearty depot]

🤣
https://youtu.be/Fzr64CertHg

[deft pewter]

ASMR Pi videos? We've found atx's kink.

[clear ferry]

Asmr people should get checked by a doctor

🤢

[forest edge]

who said anything about this being an indoor light? 🤔

[deft pewter]

I get that ASMR is appealing. I don't get the whole 'creator' bull and their creepy cult followers.

[subtle pasture]

What's wrong with ASMR now? lol

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/a-lot-so-many-generous-abundant-rich-gif-14378850

[subtle pasture]

Explain?

[inner vault]

https://twitter.com/Rikka_Hissha/status/1370856470057779207

Rikka (@Rikka_Hissha)

When a trans girl says “check out my new rack” you never know if it’s going to be about her new tiddies or a new server setup

Anyway here’s the latter

Likes

123

Twitter · Mar 13, 2021, 9:57 PM

[subtle pasture]

As a trans girl, I can confirm this ^

[tidal bronze]

Pretty easy.

[forest edge]

oh?

[deft pewter]

Same deal with @clear ferry

[forest edge]

do tell ole wise one

[tidal bronze]

Solder the leads

[forest edge]

...

I need your infant sized hands to give me a hand lol

[subtle pasture]

Where are the pads, exactly? Photo is kinda blurry

[tidal bronze]

That's how GTS sees them

[forest edge]

down in the hole on the side of the pcb leapo

you can see the ground one on the left

the others are below it and more to the right

and gpio 0 is way down there lol

[subtle pasture]

You could just use needle probes and have someone hold them on the pads while you flash it

[forest edge]

holding 5 probes would be impossible

[tidal bronze]

I flashed a few, few years ago. Few seconds to put them on and take off.

[subtle pasture]

You don't need to hold 5, usually...

[forest edge]

holding more than one in that space would be impossible

[subtle pasture]

if the device can be self powered, tx + rx + ground will do

[tidal bronze]

GPIO needs to ground at VCC

[forest edge]

nah gotta have all the leads on

[tidal bronze]

Easiest is to solder and remove.

[subtle pasture]

Powering it from the programmer, then?

[deft pewter]

Last time I had to flash something awkward, I taped all my pins together so I'd only have one thing to hold

[tidal bronze]

Tape ?

[forest edge]

I would have to take apart the whole thing, not gonna do that cause it would be too easy to junk it

[deft pewter]

Sellotape. Electrical tape. Whatever tape you want.

[forest edge]

tape would work, but again, need infant hands

any volunteers?

[deft pewter]

I heard you can get body parts on the dark web.

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge can you take a photo from a smartphone even a borrowed one. The picture with your flip phone is not cutting it.

[forest edge]

I need those clips i mentioned last night

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/off-size-off-wacky-face-pouty-lips-gif-16675463

[forest edge]

pixel 3 but lens may have been dirty

[tidal bronze]

Hmmm.

[forest edge]

you can see ground and 3.3 and rx and tx on the right

[tidal bronze]

Yikes. Why did you pick these ?

[forest edge]

can't see gpio 0 cause its way down there

they were cheap?

[tidal bronze]

Sorry I forgot the criteria 😅

[forest edge]

they make these narrow aliigator type clips but I don't know thier name and can't find them to save my life that would work

saw some dude in a youtube video use them and can't even find that video lol

[tidal bronze]

Take out the RTV and then reseal if you have RTV at home.

[forest edge]

I would attempt that but not sure how it's attached at the base down below

the esp pcb is attached by that header on the left which runs the connectiosn for RGB etc

[tidal bronze]

Worth a try.

[forest edge]

I had prayed that header was for the rx/tx etc but no go

[tidal bronze]

I think ones I did was lohas

Although most new ones don't come with ESP

[forest edge]

I know

magichome ones do which is what these are but they did this crap to try and prevent people from flashing them i guess

[tidal bronze]

As for sending images from frigate why not use the api

Best or latest

[forest edge]

my frigate isn't hosted on the same machine

and the api dosen't have a snapshot

only the mqtt does

I tried the latest and it's not the same as the snapshot

[tidal bronze]

Do object/best

[forest edge]

I forgot about tuya convert. might actually work. never updated the firmware on these bulbs

[hushed basalt]

Hissssss #diy-archived

@dusky plank

[dusky plank]

it's all shits n giggles until <superblock at position 3847234 not found>

[forest edge]

wow even these bulbs firmware are too new for tuya convert

they must have killed that crap quick lol

[last dirge]

they stuck it tuya

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/urWroc_hZ84AAAAM/schoolofrock-jackblack.gif

[last dirge]

what is this? a gif captioned for ants?

[night zodiac]

🐜

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/m85o8g/damn_government/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[subtle pasture]

New plugin for Octoprint added keyboard support

Number pad works great (and you can do multiple layers of shortcut keys)

Before anyone asks: The number pad is mechanical, and has Cherry MX Blues in it. lol

[clear ferry]

In tarnation

[subtle pasture]

@clear ferry It's my abomination 3D printer 😂

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/ouat-once-upon-a-time-no-not-magic-science-david-anders-gif-9707650

[last cedar]

Blues? Everyone knows browns are the best switches!

[clear ferry]

Mechanical

[last cedar]

🤣

[subtle pasture]

Agreed, but it was only $15, so...

[last cedar]

Oh wow, that is really good value then

[subtle pasture]

I actually prefer clears to browns

Same switch, stiffer springs

[last cedar]

I haven't tried actually, I would like a little more resistance tbh. I tried reds and browns and liked browns best, at the time.

Also keyboard has dampers.

G710

[clear ferry]

I GENIUNELY JUST ALMOST SHAT MYSELF

I booted rpi os on my zero

and apparently the monitor I've had for 9 years has speakers built in

AND IT STARTED SPEAKING

[forest edge]

oh? was it in viking?

[clear ferry]

it sounds like a cyborg from the 70s

SCREEN READER PRESS CTRL ALT SPACE

[forest edge]

so current era then for you

wtf you doing with an rpi0 anyways, someone who takes pop shots at rpi's every chance they get...

[clear ferry]

I'm gonna use it for an fourth display, just to display calendar and shit

you know, kids toy stuff

[forest edge]

just to display a calendar and shit.. lol

that is kids stuff

I have an airtame around here somewhere that does that on it's idle screen

[subtle pasture]

I have a Pi Zero jammed in my SunPower box outside so I can monitor my solar array

There's a maintenance port inside the unit with full API access... But they don't expose any of that to end users

You have to be physically connected to the maintenance port

[forest edge]

products don't generally get made with owner access to that stuff by default cause the amount of people who request/need/want it is still low overall

[subtle pasture]

https://blog.gruby.com/2020/04/28/monitoring-a-sunpower-solar-system/

Basically followed this guide ^

[clear ferry]

That's the good thing here, power companies are required by law to let us monitor the meters and if we have solar that too

[subtle pasture]

Oh, we can monitor it... Through their webpage

And that's it

[hearty depot]

have fun
https://portswigger.net/burp

[tidal onyx]

Is it the "USB Keyboard" plugin?
Saw it this week and remembered an old USB number pad is lying around. But the plugin is python 3+ and my ancient octopi is still on python 2. 😩
It's maybe time to retire/repurpose the Pi 2B and set-up a fresh octoprint on a 4B.

[subtle pasture]

Yup, that's the one

What version of Octoprint you on? You should be able to take a config backup, flash the latest OctoPi image, and then restore the config backup

That's what I did recently, because I was way behind on updates, as well

[tidal onyx]

I'm on Octoprint 1.5.3 and octopi 0.15.1.
But I planned to get a new Pi anyhow, so I will do the upgrade when it's here.
With the 2B I'm always scared to use plugins like octolapse or watch lifestream or terminal while printing. Don't want to risk stuttering and artefacts...

[subtle pasture]

There's fair. I'm running it on a 3B, and I still worry about that

[tidal onyx]

Stuttering definitely improved since I replaced my CR-10S stock board with a 32bit BTT SKR, no need to print from SD since then.
Maybe just a better USB cable from BTT 😄

[subtle pasture]

The only time I've seen mine stutter is doing a hard reload of the webadmin while printing

It doesn't like that. Lol

[tidal onyx]

I encountered it even without heavy use web UI. When I wanted quality prints and the parts had many curves, I had to use SD before.

[subtle pasture]

Heh, weird

[clear ferry]

All meters have a local port we can poll

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, had to jump through a small hoop to expose that on mine. No idea what the PG&E maintenance people will say it they ever spot it in there...

[clear ferry]

We just enable it on our power company's website

Open after 10 minutes

[inner vault]

My meter is some flavour of zigbee but we don't get any insight into them =/

[clear ferry]

Nationalised standards

[amber shard]

Any suggestions on notification methods for a 'you left the door open, idiot' alarm? I have some lights flashing but it's hard to notice when they only flash once per trigger.. maybe some kind of siren or alarm type device as well? 🤔

confetti launcher

[clever mortar]

Try the alert #integrations-archived

[amber shard]

actually I guess #hardware-archived is more appropriate since I'm looking for device recommendations, ty. I never know what channel to use on this server since everything touches on a little of everything..

[clever mortar]

Also, no support here 😛

Always read the topics 😉

[tidal onyx]

A real shit-post here. So sad...
Enjoy the driving starting 0:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYr3z5SG-h4

[noble pivot]

She was great !!!

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/trashpandas/comments/m8bjjx/an_artist_is_born/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Sad about Sabine Schmitz

[clear ferry]

Head shave time

Been three weeks now

In Norwegian we have a saying "langhåret popfan", which roughly translates to "longhaired hippy motherbleeper"

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/comb-comb-hair-bald-fix-hair-gif-17780457

[clear ferry]

Ah

DE was a great investment

No need to prep with a shaver first

I realize I might need to invest in a RPI4 if I want to run 2 extra displays

just running one with a desktop enviroment is killing the pi0w

[dusky plank]

yep, rpi4 can do 2x4k@60hz

it's a BEAST

[lapis cipher]

Good choice, follow these instructions: https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi

[clear ferry]

I only need 2x 1080p tbh

and I wanted to use it for displaying static stuff

but damn the pi0 is like trying to drive a mustang in finnish winter roads

it just goes nowhere

[dusky plank]

you need to take advantage of that openmax hwaccelleration somehow

[clever mortar]

Sure it goes places... it goes nowhere fast

[clear ferry]

It goes places like an american goes abroad

I'll probably repurpose it for hyperion at some point, that is why I bought it originally, but never got around to it

actually doesn't pay off to order the rpi4 from aliexpress

it is more expensive than local stores

😄

[dusky plank]

choose your character

[clear ferry]

I hve the second one

and the fourth one

I used the pi1b in my AudiA8 as a kodi reciever connected to my TV tuner 😄

ooof that price, the 4g version with all the cables and shit is 1399 NOK

I'll wait for it to go on sale

[lapis cipher]

three 3B+ in use, two 3A+ free i see

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/trashpandas/comments/enmtya/a_friends_post_on_facebook/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[lapis cipher]

found one more, looks like second from the left

rev 2.1 uk it seems, all sorts of crap corners full..

[dusky plank]

it's the 1.0

still rocking composite 🤟

[lapis cipher]

right, true, 2011, i think this is one of the earliest ones available for us

what's this, i don't recon right now?

[dusky plank]

looks like arduino hats?

[clear ferry]

maybe there is hope for my rpi0w still

I see why it is slow

my SD card is shite

getting 8330 KB\s sequential read

[lapis cipher]

all i know about that device is that i've got it from some friend, probably some bulk order, had my nick on top of the packaging but there's nothing on the board stating what it is, under that hat there is a processor covered with heatsink so i cannot see what it is..

[hushed basalt]

I crashed vscode yesterday

I accidentally tried to print 2.5M lines with python to terminal

[clear ferry]

Interesting, the first SD card I tested I got READ WRITE - 27\17, the second one which I was booting from I get 81\10

[deft pewter]

Just use a printer for that

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/QLSl.gif

[last dirge]

anybody work somewhere with "unlimited time off"?

[clear ferry]

That sounds like an American question

[last dirge]

seems like an odd thing

[clear ferry]

indeed

seems like something that DEC did in the 70s

while smoking pot on their bean bags

[last dirge]

and look how that turned out for the microcomputer company

lost to the anals of history

[clear ferry]

that said, I haven't managed to use up my vacation days in the last 14 years, because I have so much flexibility in time off

This year I have 62 vacation days to use

[lapis cipher]

you are doing something right and something very wrong

[clear ferry]

Well... I have full paternity leave, so 50 weeks I can take over 3 years

[last dirge]

the salary of the place offering "unlimited time off" is kinda low

[clear ferry]

plus I have traditionally worked overtime, which leads to comp time off

[last dirge]

but if I can take 5 weeks off during the year...

[lapis cipher]

5 weeks is the regular here

[clear ferry]

5 weeks ? what is this ? the standard paid weeks of leave in europe ?

6 weeks if you are above 60 years old

[clever mortar]

We get 5 weeks, and can buy another week (or sell back one)

There's a limit to how much you can carry over though, to avoid folks stacking up months of leave

[lapis cipher]

we can convert holiday pay to more vacation weeks, with the limits also yeah

[clear ferry]

there was a limit on the carryover until 2013 here, they were forced to pay you out the extras

but since I can carry over unlimited days, and up to 20 hours of comp time

[clever mortar]

The limits exist in the UK to avoid unlimited liability building up, since you have to pay folks their holiday time when they leave

Turns out having to cough up a year's pay in one go is painful...

[clear ferry]

if only, I wish I could get my holiday time in money

only if I quit

😄

[clever mortar]

I did once have my "excess" time converted to overtime. That was a good month 😄

[clear ferry]

just move to europe @last dirge

[last dirge]

no can do buckaroo

[clear ferry]

sure you can, it's easy as apple pie

if you have a usable skill

[lapis cipher]

the older i get the more i appreciate free time over the money.. work shouldn't be the sole reason for us to be here even while its the mandatory evil

[clear ferry]

I can do whatever I want in my days mostly

which is what I appreciate most

as long as I deliver what I promise and customers are happy

If I'm sitting at home printing for @lapis cipher while writing a few emails, that is fine, as long as those emails aren't IPSUM LORAM

😄

or if I want to go shopping with my daughter in the middle of the day, noone cares as long as that 400 node HPC cluster is updated at the end of the day

[lapis cipher]

yeah that is great situation and i have much freedom over my work, too. Its just not the same as being completely away from work

[last dirge]

bacon ipsum > ipsum lorem

[clear ferry]

when are you moving over @last dirge ? we have room for you

[lapis cipher]

have to admit i have very blurred work/free border anymore and its not really good thing

[clear ferry]

even cheap teslas

[lapis cipher]

employee is always on the losing side in the end

[last dirge]

is Norwat left-hand drive?

[clear ferry]

I prefer the blurred line, but it is totally on me, and I can choose to not take a call if someone calls me

we drive on the proper side

[last dirge]

that's not an answer

[clear ferry]

only them brits and japanese and aus who are strange

[last dirge]

okay

so yes, left-hand drive

[clear ferry]

and we use proper speed metrics

and length for that matter

[last dirge]

https://baconipsum.com/

[hearty depot]

what I appreciate most 🤣

[eager geyser]

Dont know where to ask but does anyone know if its worth upgrading from a rasp pi 3 model b to a 4. Is it a major difference in performace for HA?

[clear ferry]

Anything will be an upgrade

[eager geyser]

i have noticed my system is slower than before, but i am using an old micro sd card aswell

[clear ferry]

If you want something with a proper storage system and power, go for any 10yo laptop

As long as it isn't atom

Or a minicomputer

[noble pivot]

For the price of a pi its worth giving it a try but even before you do that make sure your PSU or SD card is not whats holding you back.

[clever mortar]

Pi4+SSD is the bare minimum I'd recommend, but any second hand (non Atom) PC from the last decade would likely be better

EBay is full of second hand micro PCs

[eager geyser]

pi4+ssd sounds very good tbh. but how are those split? what is on the pi and what is on the ssd?

[clear ferry]

A pi4 plus SSD will usually push you up to the price of a used lot better system anyway

And everything should be on the ssd

[clever mortar]

https://www.servethehome.com/tag/tinyminimicro/ find something like those on ebay, save money, get more performance

[subtle pasture]

HA seems to be running fine for me on a Pi 3B, but I also threw an SSD at it

Running from MicroSD was pretty slow

[clever mortar]

It ran "ok" for me on a Pi3 (non B) and SD - but I/O was... sluggish

The difference between that and an 8 year old laptop was like comparing the speeds of a pedal bike and F1 car...

[subtle pasture]

Pi 3 non-B?

Pi 3A's are neat. They're like madly souped-up Pi Zero W's :3

Kinda surprised we haven't seen a Pi 4A yet, tbh

[inner vault]

I'm on a pi4 w/SSD although /boot is still on the SD card. Seems fine. I also got it with an amazon gift card I got from doing a datacenter survey so I can't complain much.

[forest edge]

think they are steering away from making off branches like that. they probably just want to make the normal layout and compute module and a zero format when they can

[glacial knot]

compute-module that's packaged by partner vendors. They also want to branch into more professional markets with that approach
And I''m dreading the day when I have to take a look at one of those devices

[forest edge]

I will say the rpi5 had better come with at least a emmc connector

[glacial knot]

the thing that doesn't exist?

at least as standard. Some vendors got vendor specific stuff

[forest edge]

ordered some wagos off amazon. got two switches I plan to switch out to dimmers and going to see if they make it any easier to cram all the wires into a double gang box

watched yt video where some dude tested them and compared them to normal twists and they seemed to have held up just fine so figured what the hell, may as well give them a shot

[clever mortar]

I've used them a few times, they work really well. Whether it's easier to cram the wires in though

[forest edge]

lol

glad i grabbed my 3070 when i did lol

[last dirge]

this guy hit me up with a job offer on LinkedIn

I'm skeptical

he showed up in my network

surrounded by professional headshots

laughed pretty hard

"where are those files stored?"

"they're stored in this database table"

...

someone decided they should put fixed-width text files in a database column

stored as a BLOB

and then decided that wasn't dumb enough

so they zipped them before they put them in the database

[subtle pasture]

I think there's just not much point in a Pi 4A now that the SoC has built-in ethernet

The difference between the Pi 3A and 3B is that the 3A is missing the entire combination USB Hub + USB Ethernet Adapter chip.

Which is why the 3A has only one USB port (that connects directly to the SoC), and no ethernet.

A hypothetical 4A would just be a 4B with a single USB 2.0 port instead of multiple USB 2.0/3.0 ports. They'd have to voluntarily yeet the Ethernet port, for no real benefit, to match the old form factor.

[last dirge]

so much Pi interest

[deft pewter]

Pinterest?

[last dirge]

Piinterest

[deft pewter]

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/search/pins/?q=raspberry pi

[last dirge]

Pi pinterest?

[deft pewter]

Check out them Pi pins on Piinterest.

[last dirge]

some of these job descriptions are ridiculous for what they're willing to pay

"we essentially need you to be our IT department but we can only pay you in exposure"

[forest edge]

pretty sure the A of anything is toast from here on out @subtle pasture

[low harness]

TIL some docker container tend to grow in size over time. Significantly.

[last dirge]

greedy containers

even if they're using mapped storage?

[static schooner]

Seems like those are crappy containers

[low harness]

HACS wouldn't update stuff because of no disc space. Turned out to be /var/lib/docker/containers filling stuff up.

linuxserver/jackett was taking up like 40 GB.

Restarting it brought that down to 2.9M...

[last dirge]

holy shit

[low harness]

So, crappy containers, yes. Never liked linuxserver.

[last dirge]

I don't see the point in this app

[static schooner]

That’s out of control even for logs. Has to be downloaded files in the container, or cache or something

[last dirge]

so what's the point of Jackett?

you tell all of the other apps to just search it?

and it's got the login info for trackers?

[low harness]

Something like that...

I set it up a year ago and didn't really know what I was doing.

[last dirge]

I'm still running sab because it just works

[low harness]

(The growth is over 4 weeks or run time, btw. Had a power outage 😦 )

[last dirge]

haven't seen the need to upgrade to something "newer"

[low harness]

same

I didn't even know there were decent alternatives.

[last dirge]

got off of SickBeard not too long ago once it started acting shitty

people say NZBGet is the thing to do

I'm obviously not one of those

[static schooner]

I thought that NZBGet was the grandaddy of them all

I used that before switching to sabnzbd

and I found the latter to be much better

[last dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-不造-i-dont-know-gif-5094560

[deft pewter]

I'm getting annoyed with Sab. Often downloads all the parts and then shits itself when trying to join them

[last dirge]

mine never cleans up after itself

it'll join everything, Sonarr will get the file

but sab never deletes the download

[deft pewter]

I'd be okay with that if it actually joined and unzipped okay

Sonar ends up not getting the file

[lapis cipher]

hmm so stuff still moves around? haven't touched the topic for years

[static schooner]

I got tired of paid servers missing too much and gave up

[dusky plank]

tpb forever

[last dirge]

I haven't had much issue with the ones I use

[static schooner]

it was too much effort to find what I wanted on an indexer and then have sabnzbd try and fail to download all 50 parts

[last dirge]

and since switching to Sonarr from SickBeard it's WAY better about not just going "oh well" after it downloads something that fails

[static schooner]

and, yeah, tpb

[clear ferry]

Added yet another indexer yesterday

Now I find almost everything I need

[dusky plank]

I just need Shameless.US*

doom patrol on amazon is also quite nice

[deft pewter]

Sonarr is definitely great at retrying. I just wish Sab didn't cause it to need to so often.

[lapis cipher]

Not often totally lost but sure am with this stuff (no worries, not gonna start asking questions, my inttternet prevents all that fun 😄 )

[last dirge]

@deft pewter mine got WAY better after I set a cooldown in Sonarr

[deft pewter]

Which setting? I'll try it out later

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, if you're using NZBs, you need a minimum age as well

Otherwise you'll pick up releases before they've propagated, and the download will fail

Wait 15 minutes and try the same NZB again, and suddenly it works

You can also set a maximum age so that Sonarr won't try to grab 3000 day-old NZBs ahead of failing over to torrents

[low harness]

For those vintage linux isos.

[clear ferry]

Mexican oil wrestling midgets isos yes

[deft pewter]

It's not that it's missing parts. It'll often grab all parts, claim to have completed a download, but not join and extract. It's infuriating.

It's hit and miss, so I don't think it's my settings. I can't be bothered troubleshooting, so I set all my schedulers to prefer torrent over NZB

[dusky plank]

I just found Ubuntu 9 on a hdd yesterday

[low harness]

Speaking of old distros. Redhat is still a thing??

[subtle pasture]

You might try switching to NZBGet

I haven't had a single issue with it

@low harness Yup, Red Hat Enterprise Linux is still going strong. They just updated their free license to allow you to run up to 16 instances of RHEL in production.

[low harness]

I remember reading about that in a "Linux for Dummies" library book or something back in 20...? 04?

And Slack.

Sorry. Slackware

[subtle pasture]

Yeaaaaah, we only ran CentOS servers at work (until the recent changes to CentOS), and now we're only running RHEL

The support life-cycle for RHEL really can't be beat. it's twice as long as Ubuntu LTS...

[lapis cipher]

oh wow, this is still alive: https://crux.nu/

That's a REALLY lightweight and fast linux i ran at some point since my bud got me to it

[subtle pasture]

@magic basin You can actually still install the JDK on RHEL, you know...

Just add the Fedora repos for the version of Fedora that your version of RHEL was originally based on

JavaFX is included with the JDK on Fedora / RHEL

[lapis cipher]

downside is its packaging system which is more of a text files with configuration and compiling commands.. "ports" it was called

[subtle pasture]

The reason it's absent from the latest versions of RHEL is because of licensing issues (thanks Oracle)

If you're using it on Ubuntu in production, you actually need to pay Oracle licensing

[dusky plank]

🍿

[subtle pasture]

The current issues with JavaFX on the most-recent release of RHEL are because they're trying to make it work on top of OpenJDK

[lapis cipher]

oh, Oracle, again. Did they fail with their database or why are they buying everything and then totally screwing it up?

[subtle pasture]

@lapis cipher The latter

You now have to pay for java if it's not for personal use

[lapis cipher]

Actually, giving it a second thought, that might be nice place to work at, currently i need to avoid screwing things up but with them i would get paid to do so

[low harness]

I've been constantly surprised people still use Java for over 15 years.

[subtle pasture]

I work at an MSP. We had to transition thousands of computers from Java to Corretto to avoid licensing fees

And in the few instances where apps were incompatible the Corretto, the client had to pony up for a Java license

Annoying as hell

Also super nice of Oracle to change licensing terms mid-patch cycle...

[dusky plank]

https://i.redd.it/rje5dbaoif711.jpg

[subtle pasture]

"Oh, you want the new security updates for Java 8? You need to agree to the new license, and pay up"

Which led to a LOT of people staying on old insecure versions

Super hostile behavior from Oracle, there

[dusky plank]

it's slow. damn slow.

[subtle pasture]

sips the C# koolaid

[low harness]

...right...

[subtle pasture]

All the reasons you just listed about Java are the same reasons I use C#

Except C# tends to be a fuck-ton faster...

[dusky plank]

one pro about java: it really implements all the paradigms correct like no other. but that's it.
the rest is all con's

[subtle pasture]

I really don't care who the fuck they copied. It works 😛

And yeah, the syntax is eerily similar to Java, but without all the type issues >_>

Dunno what to tell you, always preferred it to Java 🤷‍♀️

Learning C# was literally a "oh wow, this is like Java but not fucky" moment for me. lol

[low harness]

I guess I shouldn't pretend to be a language purist of any sort... I had my first PR to pfsense merged the other day, and that's PHP.

[subtle pasture]

Oh god, pfsense... there's a fiasco

[low harness]

Besides the community and the management, it's ok.

[subtle pasture]

Oh, yeah, I mean... I'm running it now and love it

But Imma stay on 2.4.5 for a while, I think >_>

[low harness]

But I don't have any high requirements.

[subtle pasture]

There's some drama around 2.5.0 and Wireguard right now

[dusky plank]

heard they are going to include wireguard in the kernel with 13.1 🥳

the end result is still faster in c#

[subtle pasture]

@dusky plank If they can untangle it. It was just pulled from the main tree for 13.0

[dusky plank]

yeah I read that too

[subtle pasture]

it's being developed in its own fork until they get it right...

[low harness]

But... but.. I happen to know from a reliable source that 4.6 will have better handling of wildcard subdomains during dyndns auto-refrehshing.

[subtle pasture]

Which is probably a good thing, tbh

[dusky plank]

13.1 is targeted

[subtle pasture]

I'm already doing that on 2.4.5 though?

Thank you Cloudflare API

[low harness]

I grew up on PHP coding a popular comunity website for rpgmaker2k.

[low harness]

Thing is. Every 25 days, if your IP hasn't changed, there's a forced refresh. And that ignores this little box, and just deletes the wildcard.

[subtle pasture]

Because a lot of software targeted just Windows (and this was especially true during C#'s inception in the year 2000) and did just fine

I can absolutely see why Microsoft didn't bother releasing an official virtual machine for other platforms until later

Though they DID wait too long. That I agree with

But you have to admit, year-2000 Microsoft was a totally different beast

I just said that...

[low harness]

They've certainly been doing a lot of things seemingly right the last few years.

[subtle pasture]

Like, I literally just said they should have released the runtime environment for other platforms sooner than they did. lol

[forest edge]

Microsoft ME ftw

[subtle pasture]

But I completely understand why, in the year 2000, with Microsoft being what it was at the time, that they felt no need to release a runtime for Linux 21 years ago...

[marsh scaffold]

I love how everyone sees through "Microsoft heart 💓 Linux"

[subtle pasture]

Dev: "But you can only run it on Windows"
Year 2000 Microsoft: "Yes, and?"

I'm happy I can finally run Microsoft SQL Server on Linux

THAT shit was needed

[forest edge]

early 2000's was a trip. massive attempt to try and teach older people how to use a computer, monitors weighed more than a buick, pc speakers were actually good quality and games were actually fun

[marsh scaffold]

How's SQL server compare to postgres?

[subtle pasture]

Good for you, I have huge enterprise products that require Microsoft SQL Server, and will until the end of time

And MS SQL Server running on Linux gets their entire back-end off Windows Server

So yay

[marsh scaffold]

Sorry to hear that

[dusky plank]

I know DC's which are MS partners - they have tons of MS Servers and run Linux on these just because win server is 🧑‍🦯

[subtle pasture]

That's pretty common for large database-driven software stacks

It's almost impossible to get them to swap to a new database format, barring the original software not existing for YEARS

Yeah, that's why I run Windows Server Core for most of my Windows servers. No UI to worry about, and they basically never need to be rebooted.

[dusky plank]

nah, they only run it so that they get paid by ms and ms can say "oh look at all these servers running MS"

it will die off, no matter what

[subtle pasture]

sweats in COBOL developer

[marsh scaffold]

They say Mars is a dead planet too, it still gets Mars quakes... Some things for slowly

[dusky plank]

https://youtu.be/N-2C2gb6ws8?t=179

[subtle pasture]

No joke, one of the apps that the Claifornia UC system depends on is a huge legacy COBOL app... which they paid heavily to "modernize" by having someone write a giant wrapper (to talk to the old backend) + webapp

It looks new and shiny, and will continue to be used for decades

But they still have COBOL developers on-staff for when the ancient parts break

I like to imagine that they have a back-office where all the old neckbeards hang out, awaiting the bat-signal

[bitter pawn]

we should bring back floppies

js

it would make life more fun

[clear ferry]

Did someone say COBOL?

[low harness]

Same with Swedish nuclear power plants.

[clear ferry]

I still upgrade COBOL systems

[subtle pasture]

@bitter pawn Like high-capacity floppies with modern tech?

[bitter pawn]

i mean that'd be cool too

[subtle pasture]

iomega has entered the chat

[bitter pawn]

like an updated version of jazz drives 😛

[clear ferry]

Iomega was pretty cool, 20 years ago

Are they still around?

[subtle pasture]

I was thinking of Zip disks, but Jazz works too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_drive

They got up past the capacity of a CD-ROM (750 MB) before they were discontinued

[bitter pawn]

zip disks were more widely accepted but jazz drives were the hotness.

[subtle pasture]

Sharing pirated copies of CD-ROM games on ZIP disks used to be a thing, before CD-RW was affordable

[bitter pawn]

wasnt jazz like 1.2gb iirc?

[low harness]

I only saw a zip drive once. But I was completely blown away.

Amazing stuff.

[clear ferry]

I saw a few

But less than a dozen

[bitter pawn]

https://www.amazon.com/Iomega-Portable-SCSI-1GB-Drive/dp/B004MTOKVK

yep 1gb

when everyone was on about mb

#aheadofitstime

[subtle pasture]

I remember knowing someone who booted their Apple II off a Jaz drive...

[static schooner]

I inherited one when my office shut down years ago and never had the chance to use it. It was one with a parallel interface 🙂

[low harness]

I used to have some kind of driver thing that'd mount a DVD-RW as a "hard drive"...

That was cool

When I built my last computer in -07 I was careful to pick a motherboard with a parallel port.
I wanted to be able to computer control and automate stuff.

What is UP with my spelling tonight??

[subtle pasture]

You know you can get a PCIe card to add a parallel port to any motherboard, right? 😂

[low harness]

Yeah, but back then it still made sense.

[bitter pawn]

you mean the cheap chinese pieces of shit that break almost instantly after installation?

[low harness]

I also made sure to get a floppy drive

[subtle pasture]

I love how tiny that is

[low harness]

Because that was the only way I know how to boot my homebrew os kernel.

[subtle pasture]

I remember AT-compatible parallel port cards

[low harness]

*knew. God damn i!

[bitter pawn]

doesnt look like a piece of crap from china

[low harness]

I need more wiskey

[subtle pasture]

Damn things were full-length, and slotted into a cage in the FRONT of the case for support

[bitter pawn]

im fine with god damn pieces of crap from china as well....when they work.

when they break consistently im not a fan

well doesnt like like they are breaking...or else they'd be in the garbage

ah yiss...these. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/DIEWU-original-TX382B-PCIe-express-parallel_60746993834.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_image.2e683ccbFTSlmK

stay away

[forest edge]

time vampire lol

[subtle pasture]

I got a chuckle at that too

[bitter pawn]

#dead

"of use to fucking no one"

[low harness]

It's also fantastic that this exists:

[bitter pawn]

i must say

one thing that has surprised me within the past 5 years

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, and USB-C can actually provide enough fucking power to make it work correctly, for once -_-

[bitter pawn]

is seeing how vintage computing communities have banded together and made lots of cool new stuff

[forest edge]

oh may need to dig out my force feedback stick now!

[subtle pasture]

Older USB to parallel / serial adapters have all kinds of problems because USB 2.0 ports just don't deliver enough power to meet the old standards

Super fun to troubleshoot

[low harness]

Like that macintosh rom drive thing? That's awesome!

[bitter pawn]

yeah ive been impressed with how popular its gotten, etc.

the bootup of a 386 still warms my heart.

[dusky plank]

last time i used parallel was to load games on my TI-82

[forest edge]

printer

[low harness]

Oh man. My first soldering project was a serial cable for my 83+

I did a terrible job.

But I still have it. And I think it still works if you bend it just right.

The calculator itself died about a year back, though, sadly. But I still have a couple of backups.

Like, right here.

[subtle pasture]

Nice rope 👀

[low harness]

Strange how that sticks... I spend all day with a python REPL on one screen, and matlab on the other... and this right there if I need to calculate something.

I've been watching paracord braiding videos on the third screen today 🙂

[cedar chasm]

I had a parallel port Zip-drive back in the day. bought it on holiday in New York, and it was a whole experience because the shop we were in had us haggle the price down multiple tens of dollars, maybe even a $100. Having settled on a price, and feeling entertained by the whole ordeal, we stopped by another shop on the way back to the hotel and checked their asking price, and bizarrely it was exactly the price we payed at the first shop.

We had a good laugh afterwards

So much retro-tech today. My "Communications Technology" class touched on ISDN

pinch me and tell me it's not 1998

[clear ferry]

I still service servers from 98 sometimes

🤣

[cedar chasm]

Good heavens!

[clear ferry]

K class HP Ux machines

[cedar chasm]

What's the service level like? is HP still providing parts?

[clear ferry]

And Alphaserver 1000

Well, if we have parts, sure

Usually they never fail though

[subtle pasture]

We... kinda(?) service some servers that old... one client has an emulated DEC Alpha system they still use

[clear ferry]

Last times I've touched those systems were just site relocation or wiring serial ports

[subtle pasture]

It was moved from physical hardware to an emulator under our watch

[clear ferry]

If they run openvms that is ported to x86 now

Tru64... Not so much

[subtle pasture]

No idea what they use it for, I just know it's on the network

It was wild to see a DEC machine come up on a network scanner

[clear ferry]

I still see a lot of newer DEC machines

Like es45

Ds10

Etc

Decommissioned a gs1280 a few years ago

[dusky plank]

https://mothership.sg/2021/03/japanese-biker-actually-man/
the real senpai

[forest edge]

my mother drives me nuts with beliving almost everything she sees and reads online

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge saw your ride

[forest edge]

dude that is sick

[tidal bronze]

Just passed OBD II emissions test.

[forest edge]

thats a 40's Chrysler

impressive to pass anything in these times

[tidal bronze]

Impressive sleeper. Dude was burning rubber on a left turn.

[forest edge]

you see the driver? jay leno raced a dude driving something like that

[tidal bronze]

No too quick

[cedar chasm]

That could be Jay Leno's head

[forest edge]

leno and tim allen did a bunch of videos where they would race each other in sleeper cars. was funny

almost looks like his split hood is up, on the right all the way and partially on the drivers side in that picture quad

[crystal onyx]

(: wrong channel

Sorry for the paragraph (:

[dusky plank]

you better be sorry, this channel is for 💩 talk only

go to #cameras-archived or #hardware-archived or #general-archived with your 💩

[winter wren]

who reads the topic ?

[dusky plank]

😉

[crystal onyx]

(: thank you

[cedar chasm]

Next you'll be saying people don't read terms & conditions

[shy comet]

i was just gonna say people dont read....like in general lol

[forest edge]

reading is for the weak

[tidal bronze]

@shy comet long time. How are things ?

[shy comet]

not too bad man, just hanging in there how about you?

[tidal bronze]

Just the usual.

[forest edge]

shouldn't it be customary for one cali asking another cali how things are going to first ask if they are still alive?

[shy comet]

lol

[tidal bronze]

This dude is waiting till everyone dies down here.

[forest edge]

well hell every time california is brought up it's because of some catastrophe lol

[forest edge]

uh i just noticed that our red robin door dash delivery lady from last night was tagged as a dog from frigate, it was 76% sure of it

[static schooner]

I won’t ask your opinion on the matter 🙂

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge KC is weird.

[dusky plank]

esxi on rpi is cooler than I thought

[forest edge]

and why is that

[forest edge]

CDC is checking our poop lol

[last cedar]

No one using one of these X570D4U boards and a Ryzen with ecc?

Pricing a system up and it is a lot of money, but seems like an absolute monster board

[clear ferry]

Modern systems for home use

[tough igloo]

Number 2

[clear ferry]

5 obviously

[last cedar]

I hate to agree with people who eat raw meat, but I think atx is right

🦝

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/meat-slap-that-meat-salt-bae-gif-7897765

[last cedar]

Naughty

[clear ferry]

My favourite snack

[last cedar]

I will have to try at some point

Raw?

Not sure I can do that

[clear ferry]

Yes

In my younger days I could eat half a package

Now my wife shooes me away

[subtle pasture]

Steak tartare is actually rather good

Just... Make sure your beef is very high quality and properly prepared

Otherwise you might end up with a tape worm

[clear ferry]

Aye it is, I have made it using that meat

[subtle pasture]

And now I wonder how Beyond Meat tastes raw 🤔

[clear ferry]

Norwegian meat is very well controlled, so I eat raw bacon, steak and ground beef often, straight from the pack

[subtle pasture]

It's plant-based, and completely safe to eat without cooking, but I wonder if some of the flavors don't develop until cooked

[clear ferry]

Probably yes

Just how onion tastes different from fried union I guess

[subtle pasture]

heh, people have tried it, with mixed results

[clear ferry]

Don't trust people

They are soylent green

[last cedar]

@subtle pasture ty for the tip!

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/qrtztec8r4o61.jpg

[deft pewter]

What about idiots like this? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-56239268

In the middle of stay-at-home orders on a cliff edge known for frequent collapses.

[clear ferry]

That's just suicidal with extra steps

https://tenor.com/view/reading-stare-meh-sesame-street-bert-gif-16528608

[normal ferry]

Anyone owning an Orbi mesh WiFi system having trouble port-forwarding the 443 port specifically ?

[normal ferry]

Sorry not a meme fan

[deft pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/crap-elmo-gif-5300893

https://tenor.com/view/three-finger-salute-good-luck-jennifer-lawrence-katniss-everdeen-hunger-games-gif-14699764

Discovered Overseerr last night. It makes adding new shows/movies to Sonarr/Radarr so much quicker.

Might even teach the missus to use it to add things instead of asking me to do it.

[hushed basalt]

Is it like Ombi but not shit

[deft pewter]

I've not used Ombi to give a comparison but it looks like they do the same thing, yes.

Even though Overseerr is still in alpha, it seems smooth enough.

Decent access control and user management too. You can set up auto-approve rules for users for different kinds of content.

[lapis cipher]

What's with the all rrrs on those?

Recently added: Independence Day - that some history machine?

[deft pewter]

I guess it's because you can't trademark/copyright worlds already in common usage, so they try to be hip by adding an extra letter.

I'm surprised a business like Apple got away with it, tbh.

[deft pewter]

That's the 'recently added to Plex' bit, not 'recently added to the universe' 😉

[lapis cipher]

Makes sense, i can already recon all the stuff you talk about with those double-r's

[deft pewter]

You can tell from the 'upcoming movies' section that the screenshot was taken late 2020.

[lapis cipher]

Nothing wrong with the old movies, i think i watched yesterday something from 2013

[deft pewter]

You call that old? 😂

[lapis cipher]

It might actually be more difficult to find old stuff that fresh stuff?

[deft pewter]

I watched Network recently. Wasn't as good as I was told.

[lapis cipher]

Heh, well it happened to be the first to fit my scifi-mood yesterday, it was all crap, Gravity

[deft pewter]

Downloaded THX 1138 too, will watch that soon.

Gravity's not terrible

I preferred Interstellar. Weird that you often get common movies out around the same time. It's like the writers/directors all latch on to a theme/trend they think will be big.

[lapis cipher]

It was ok, funny how those "recent" space movies all have a single person being stuck in space for whatever reason

[deft pewter]

If you enjoy sci-fi and want something a little more entertaining, the Lost In Space series is pretty good.

[lapis cipher]

that would be 2014 then 🙂

[deft pewter]

Outside The Wire was a pretty good movie too. Anthony Mackie was decent in it.

[lapis cipher]

Hmm, thanks, i don't think i've watched that. However i probably have no means to grab it for viewing

[raven merlin]

Hi, I'm new here 🙂
having trouble with my hassio, nothing works annymore, annyone knows where to start troubleshooting? (nothing specials in the logs)

[deft pewter]

TPB 😉

[deft pewter]

Where? In a support channel. This ain't one.

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived.

If it's a question about the HA Blue start in #330990055533576204. Install related problems go to your Installation Method channel.

No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

If you found this server and want to know what it's about, start with the web site: https://www.home-assistant.io/

Remember when reporting spam to include a screenshot of the spam and the user's handle (eg @spammer#123)

Command '.topic' was invoked by: mono

[deft pewter]

Check the other channels, read the topics, see what closest matches your problem. If you're not sure, start in #general-archived

[raven merlin]

ok thx 🙂

[lapis cipher]

Last time i was on the topic i mostly tried to collect concert footage which is kind of "timeless" stuff, can hold it on storage for 10 years and get back to it should the mood tell so

[deft pewter]

For 10 years... back it up offline so the idiots making those stupid laws can't find it.

That's such a ridiculous rule... it's okay to have personal copies for 10 years but at 10 years and 1 day, you're a criminal?

It also means it'll be almost impossible to find archive footage of old events.

People should want to maintain archives. Losing information is bad.

[lapis cipher]

Yeah, i am aware of that.. What we have here from the operators is a "cloud based" recording ie. you can click what stuff from tv you want to record and that's then for 2 years. I got good bunch of concerts recorded but the law took them. There's really no alternative way to get into that material and unfortunately the service also managed to block downloading the content. It was without a limit before..

..which is why i used it..

Its more of family thing, there's some programs they want to see and record while not around, it works also on tv so its easy to use, not any nerd glue that nobody can use

[deft pewter]

Don't use the system the operators give you then. Store your own.

There are all kinds of ways to store your own media.

And 'nerd glue'? 😄 The term is funny... but you're on this server, right? You're a nerd, you can figure it out.

[lapis cipher]

I sure am nerd 😄

my family ain't that was the point 😄

[deft pewter]

All of this stuff is so easy to use once it's set up. Surely they know how to use Plex.

You do all the techie stuff to get it running... they just press play.

[lapis cipher]

That would need to include storing a tv broadcasts or grabbing the recording from a stream they provide, haven't investigated

I mean, Voice of <country> and similar shows, they air

I'm not a professional movie watcher so i am pretty satisfied with what the channels offer, i have a rule to record just about every movie from every channel and my options are then to pick one from those, yes, with the commercials (which can be ff'd)..

Its actually those series that are annoying, airs one episode per week, dang, must.. download.. right... now..

[deft pewter]

Commercials? Having to wait for things to air? 🤢

And for series, use Sonarr... downloads every time there's an episode. No management.

Anyway, gotta run, wife wants to go out 👋

[lapis cipher]

Not really an option for anything national, that stuff simply doesn't exist before its aired and i can as well then record the shit with the cloud shit than wait IF somebody might upload it to somewhere (probably not). Sure its different for worldwide series and i have used the services to get ahead with them

[deft pewter]

Does anyone else have more people blocked on Twitter than they actually follow? 🤔

[lapis cipher]

Wife's happy now and you can play your nerd stuff for the rest of the day?-)

Shitty weather here, +1 and rains snow.. Had to go out and do some wood'n'chickens but can't say its very enjoyable out there

[deft pewter]

I'm almost always doing nerd shit. I'm currently on a roll with making fun little projects.

It's starting to get warm here, so we went out for a walk. She's going to ask me to sort the lawn soon too 🤢

[lapis cipher]

i am absolutely bored, getting nothing done, got no interest of doing anything, not even anybody asking for HA help..

watching "how its made" and i feel i want to weld something

[deft pewter]

Go weld then. Even if people don't want it welding.

Your neighbours' gates. The axles of their cars. The only limit is your imagination.

[lapis cipher]

i could call the neighbor and go practice tig welding, i don't have the equipment

"made this nice ornament to your car" 😄

Forget the welding, now i want to distill alcohol

[deft pewter]

Takes too long. Just buy it and drink it.

[lapis cipher]

Good point, with a bad choices it would be drinkable after several years

[deft pewter]

I used to have a neighbour that made elderberry wine every year. Loads of it, their whole garage was full of the kit. Sure, you have to wait for a batch to be ready but they just rotated it and always had some ready 😄

Waiting for the first batch though... I'd be too impatient

[cedar chasm]

Do you have a proper spreadsheet where you tally up all the times you did a household chore without having to be asked, for when you have the "I'm always having to nag you about doing things in OUR home" argument?

I hear that's all the rage in cohabitation circles

[deft pewter]

😂

I don't... but next time she complains about me not doing things inside the house, I'll remind her that all the things outside the house end up being my job 😄

It's funny. A recent study was just published around division of household chores: https://www.psypost.org/2021/03/study-suggests-that-men-and-women-actually-prefer-not-to-split-household-and-childcare-tasks-equally-59866

A new study suggests that the unequal division of household and childcare tasks within partnerships may reflect men’s and women’s actual preferences. For example, the study found that women enjoyed childcare tasks more than men did and also reported a greater desire for responsibility for these tasks compared to men.

[cedar chasm]

Everyone's different, but maybe it's more like one of those things that it's nice to have to complain about

[deft pewter]

Sure, some of it could be that we're taught 'gender roles' as kids... but it's interesting to see how people choose to divide work.

[cedar chasm]

like the bosses at any workplace

or the weather

Humans have to fill the days with some intrigue, or elderberry wine would be all that's left

[lapis cipher]

Funny, i've got english as the main working language for like 20 years but since joining here i've found myself translating words quite often 😮 I suspect its due to so much non-native english speakers around so per se quite logical reason, still i thought my english was "good" but turns out its not that good

[deft pewter]

Your English is fine 😉

[lapis cipher]

i'm partially also surprised the words i go check and they are often so generic its puzzling they are not on my vocabulary

[deft pewter]

None of us have a comprehensive vocabulary. Don't they reckon most people only regularly use a couple of thousand words?

Although with some people, I reckon they only use a couple of hundred 😂

[cedar chasm]

all language is game on the interwebz

[deft pewter]

Tak

[cedar chasm]

The bar for what constitutes "good English" is always moving here in Norway, though. You can get self-conscious around the teen, twenty somethings from time to time

[clear ferry]

I've had proper English since I was about 12 I guess

[cedar chasm]

Plus I haven't used English professionally that much, so I probably have some gaping holes in my vocabulary 😛

[clear ferry]

I could make myself understood abroad before that

[cedar chasm]

It's better speak a bit brokenly abroad, so as to add some mystery 😉

[clear ferry]

I do a mean Irish accent though, but I've lived there

[deft pewter]

If you hadn't said you were Norwegian, I'd just put your flaky English down to being American 😂

[clear ferry]

That is a funny thing @cedar chasm noone I've met abroad who didn't know my country have been able to identify my accent, a Spanish lady just said generic English with no accent whatever the fuck that means

[cedar chasm]

America rules the airwaves, so much vocabulary seeps in from there 😉

Sort of like those junkyard robots in Transformers the Movie

[deft pewter]

I didn't mean the vocab, just the poor grammar and crappy spelling 😄

[cedar chasm]

Yeah, that too 😛

[clear ferry]

Well, a few people here have heard me speak, @green inlet @last plaza and @subtle pasture

[night zodiac]

😮

[clear ferry]

[night zodiac]

pinging for proof

[cedar chasm]

Basically, anytime someone abroad asks if we're from someplace OTHER than Norway, me and my father mark it down as a win 😛

[clear ferry]

[cedar chasm]

My father has gotten South Africa a few times

[clear ferry]

Not like the Danish, who can't fool anyone

[cedar chasm]

Russian

[last plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-run-hallway-oops-walking-back-gif-5065669

[night zodiac]

madaoZ, I watch a youtuber from Norway that travels around and he is always excited to see where people think he is from

Canada is a big one

[cedar chasm]

BuSheeZy, I can relate

[night zodiac]

Some countries have no clue about Norway so when they don't register what he is saying, he says "Germany"

[clear ferry]

My Finnish is immaculate

[cedar chasm]

Though I always try to approximate local accents to try to fly below the radar

[clear ferry]

Voi vittu

[lapis cipher]

Haista!

[clear ferry]

Rakastele Mua@lapis cipher

[deft pewter]

Lavaista

[clear ferry]

[lapis cipher]

thanks atx but i'll skip making love to you 🤣

[clear ferry]

Mällata sun naamalle?

Or something

My memory is fuzzy

[night zodiac]

a game mod that I used to contribute to quite a bit supports JS now. I used to have to use multiple Lua files that all shared the same scope. I'm able to use JS with webpack now, years later, it is making me happy

https://share.busheezy.dev/luoviF.png I just got a call from KFC through another server, neat

nobody steal my promo code

[clear ferry]

[deft pewter]

They got a check mark. They're verified.

[night zodiac]

lmao, first thing I noticed

[deft pewter]

Colonel's trying to sell crypto instead of chicken.

[night zodiac]

https://giphy.com/gifs/WNJdVoZw7gcXt5c7d4

[clear ferry]

I should call @deft pewter one day

And just whisper that I love his integration

[lapis cipher]

we have that #hangout..

[clear ferry]

[night zodiac]

I'm going to wash my beard and join hangout by myself

[lapis cipher]

funny there's nobody idling right now, everybody's found their way out 😄

it was more difficult than setting up the krhm on-topic thingy

I'm dressing up.. Just the upper part 😄

oh, forgot i have no video so cancel that

[night zodiac]

I'm going to see if I can use object proxy traps to keep an object semi in sync for clients/server stuffs on dis game

meh, fuck that

[slender notch]

hi! I´m looking for fw- hardware. Plan to use pfsense. Gbit speed + dual wan + HW crypto support. Do you guys have a recommendation?

[glossy sage]

anyone with bash skills here?

[velvet horizon]

Don't ask to ask, just ask your question. Then people can answer when they're around.

When you do ask a question, try to provide as much background detail as possible. Ask yourself these questions first so that others don't have to:

1. What version of the Home Assistant are you running? (remember, last isn't a version)
2. What exactly are you trying to do that won't work?
3. Is the problem uniform or erratic?
4. What's the exact error message?
5. When did it arise?
6. What exactly don't you "get"?
7. Can you share sample code, ideally with line errors where the error occurs?

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[deft pewter]

I can fix any bash script. I just add exit 0 to the end.

[glossy sage]

ok I'll try to use a multiple piped command inside another command. normally you just wrap it inside "$(command_here)". the command works fine for itselt but not wrapped

[clever mortar]

I prefer exit 1 at the start

"the command" 🤔

[velvet horizon]

Please use https://paste.ubuntu.com/ to share code or logs. Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view.

Command '~share' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[glossy sage]

/usr/local/bin/youtube-dl -x --audio-format mp3 -f bestaudio[ext=m4a] p4zRaJn40X0 -o "/dev/shm/%(title)s-%(id)s.%(ext)s" | grep -o '/dev.*.mp3' | tail -1

[clever mortar]

If only Discord had markup for code

[glossy sage]

/usr/local/bin/youtube-dl -x --audio-format mp3 -f bestaudio[ext=m4a] p4zRaJn40X0 -o "/dev/shm/%(title)s-%(id)s.%(ext)s" | grep -o '/dev.*.mp3' | tail -1

[clever mortar]

Well, $( ... ) is simply replaced with the output

So, maybe the problem is with the parent

Or maybe the command sends the output you're working on to stderr

[deft pewter]

I'm sure the youtube-dl documentation is pretty comprehensive.

[glossy sage]

the output is just a path. I don't get why its not working inside "$()"

[glacial knot]

do you know about bash -x?

[glossy sage]

i don't

[glacial knot]

now let me check if that actually helps here, but I think it does

If you got your script in a file, there should be a #!/usr/bin/bash in the first line, change to #!/usr/bin/bash -x
If you are doing this in your prompt, just call set -x and set +x when you are done to revert to normal

[glossy sage]

i can't use it inside a script. i want to pass the path to sox directly

sox "$(/usr/local/bin/youtube-dl -x --audio-format mp3 -f bestaudio[ext=m4a] p4zRaJn40X0 -o "/dev/shm/%(title)s-%(id)s.%(ext)s" | grep -o '/dev.*.mp3' | tail -1)"

but its not working XD

[clever mortar]

Replace sox with echo

[glossy sage]

i get exactly the path I am asking for. Hhmm 🤔

[deft pewter]

Then sox is the problem 🤷‍♂️

[glacial knot]

is there a newline before or after the path that breaks sox?

[glossy sage]

figured

[glossy sage]

just spaces and in this example japanese letters

[deft pewter]

Replace them with standard characters and see what happens.

[glacial knot]

Try "$(/usr/local/bin/youtube-dl -x --audio-format mp3 -f bestaudio[ext=m4a] p4zRaJn40X0 -o "/dev/shm/%(title)s-%(id)s.%(ext)s" | grep -o '/dev.*.mp3' | tail -1 | tr -d "\n")"

[glossy sage]

not working unfortunately

maybe its not suppose to work

[deft pewter]

You still haven't shared the full command, so it's gonna be really difficult for anyone to give a solution.

Where are these spaces and characters coming from? What else haven't you shared?

[glacial knot]

The command inside $() connects to youtube. It's a video title

[deft pewter]

I know what youtube-dl does, thank you.

I'm asking for some clarity.

[glacial knot]

it's the sox call though. It gets a singular file path that doesn't exist on the system as argument. It should be telling you that it's missing arguments

[glossy sage]

I tried a video which path translates to /dev/shm/redruM.mp3 so no spaces and unknown characters still not working 😦

[glossy sage]

it prints out the whole man page and
sox FAIL sox: Not enough input filenames specified

[glacial knot]

What's the sox command you want to call, if you build it by hand?

[glossy sage]

:~$ echo "$(/usr/local/bin/youtube-dl -x --audio-format mp3 -f bestaudio[ext=m4a] G8pptpmkHXg -o "/dev/shm/%(title)s.%(ext)s" | grep -o '/dev.*.mp3' | tail -1)"
/dev/shm/redruM.mp3

:~$ sox "$(/usr/local/bin/youtube-dl -x --audio-format mp3 -f bestaudio[ext=m4a] G8pptpmkHXg -o "/dev/shm/%(title)s.%(ext)s" | grep -o '/dev.*.mp3' | tail -1)"
sox FAIL sox: Not enough input filenames specified

[glacial knot]

Yes. I want you to call sox by hand. In a way that it does what you want it to. And tell us what that line looks like. So we can figure out where the difference is

[glossy sage]

I am on it. Sec

[deft pewter]

i.e. call sox /dev/shm/redruM.mp3 and see what it says.

[glossy sage]

sox FAIL sox: Not enough input filenames specified

[deft pewter]

Maybe wrap it with quotes? sox '/dev/shm/redruM.mp3'

[glossy sage]

I think sox expects a audio stream not a file.

but the man page says "SoX reads and writes audio files ..."

[glacial knot]

what do you want sox to do with that file?

[deft pewter]

The man page says it accepts files and references mp3 multiple times: https://linux.die.net/man/1/sox

[glossy sage]

I don't know why but /usr/bin/play is the symlink to sox. If I use

play "$(/usr/local/bin/youtube-dl -x --audio-format mp3 -f bestaudio[ext=m4a] G8pptpmkHXg -o "/dev/shm/%(title)s.%(ext)s" | grep -o '/dev.*.mp3' | tail -1)"

it works

wtf

[deft pewter]

So it was right to show you the man page 😄

[glacial knot]

argv[0] matters

[glossy sage]

I tried a radio stream with sox to confirm it has to be a stream but didn't work either. So I scrolled through my bash history where it was working before and there was a play command. I knew before its just a symlink to sox so never thought of it as a problem.

THANK YOU ALL

[clever mortar]

[deft pewter]

In other news, this looks pretty cool: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/facebook-finally-explains-its-mysterious-new-wrist-wearable/

If they can perfect that and shrink the device down, I'd love to be able to control things with natural movements (or even just the intent to move).

[glacial knot]

also, for some reason that title doesn't include Japanese characters. They are Korean. Even if it's OPM

[deft pewter]

Eh... not everyone knows the difference between Hangul and Kanji...

[glacial knot]

That wristband looks cool. I wonder ho well it will work in the next couple years.
I'd love to DIY a VR-glove. for reasons

[deft pewter]

The comments on that article are hilarious. Doesn't matter how clever the tech is, people just want to cry whenever Facebook are involved.

If they push for this kind of tech to become mainstream, there will be competitors and all those man babies can buy from someone else instead.

[glacial knot]

if you look at oculus, for a good reason. Facebook isn't to be trusted with any device

[fiery geyser]

I think it's neat

It will make signlanguage in vr easier

Which is dope

[deft pewter]

Meh. I don't see why Facebook shouldn't be allowed to have users of its devices create an account with them.

[glacial knot]

that's assuming they don't figure out a smart patent on it and monopolize on the product.
though patents do tend to only be delays, not a permanent barrier

[deft pewter]

You don't have to actually use that account as your social media profile. It's just an account.

[clever mortar]

You mean ... there's people without multiple social media accounts?

[deft pewter]

It's no more complex than managing multiple email accounts and most of us do that already.

People just love having something to complain about and someone to direct those complaints at. Facebook are big, therefore they're evil.

Most of all, people seem to forget that Facebook aren't altruistic. They have to generate income somehow and like they say... if you're not paying for a product, you are the product.

[velvet horizon]

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[glacial knot]

people still manage multiple mail accounts? o.0
And facebook is overtly anti ownership and tinkering
I'm surprised to see someone say they are treated unfairly in a DIY community

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/trashpandas/comments/m8tpc4/poor_baby_id_go_to_his_birthday_who_else_is_coming/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[deft pewter]

What makes them anti-ownership? You still own your VR headset but you need some kind of account to manage your purchases and downloads, right?

No different from needing a Steam account to access those games. They're marketplaces.

[glacial knot]

Ownership of software is a messy topic in itself. And most people I know agree that the digital marketplaces don't provide ownership to games. At best a license to use. Though with software that's more or less a default
Expanding that to hardware where you then kinda own the plastic/metal/silicon but only got a sorta license to use the actual device isn't proper ownership of the device

But let me check on the specifics of their oculus handling. So I don't get baited by headlines that exaggerate a bit

[deft pewter]

Even if they attempted to lock you out, I'm sure there are enough people out there to create an alternative firmware. 🤷‍♂️

The hardware is yours, even if they try to make it difficult.

Now the path Tesla are headed down is worrying... all of the cars have the same capabilities but you have to pay for a software upgrade to unlock things like battery life? wtf?

They're not exactly cheap. Why should a portion of your battery be behind a paywall?

[clever mortar]

That's pretty traditional though - IBM used to do exactly that

Shady I'll admit, but ... apparently legal

[deft pewter]

I kinda get it for enterprise stuff. You're paying for features.

When a consumer buys a car, that whole car should be theirs to the fullest of its capabilities.

[glacial knot]

mhh, all the articles state locked out of device. Which doesn't help if I want to know if it locks the device, or just an account that's primary usecase

[deft pewter]

I don't think it'll fly. Once there's more competition with EV's, people will vote with their wallets. Tesla are only so popular right now because they're about the only choice.

[glacial knot]

Just get someone to make an alternative firmware then. There's capable people out there 🙂

[cedar chasm]

One misheard/misremembered version of why the Boeing 737-Max was dangerous was that they had enabled some wacky routines to make the airplane handle like pilots were used to, which at times malfunctioned.
The means to know whether there was a malfunction was an extra feature

Now that's capitalism at it's very, very best

[deft pewter]

And risk bricking a car? Nah... that's consumer goods and something that has to be roadworthy. Not at all the same situation as a VR headset.

[clever mortar]

It's fine, brick somebody else's car for the testing

[deft pewter]

Paying extra for safety features

[cedar chasm]

Would have been fine if that initial feature was opt-in

[clever mortar]

🤔

Safety features shouldn't be opt anything

[deft pewter]

No, the one for the handling.

[clever mortar]

You want to be able to take off, that's optional

Oh, no, the landing feature was separate

[cedar chasm]

Yeah, the safety feature or whatever it was should have come with the other fucky thing they enabled by default

[deft pewter]

Or if you've ever flown with Ryanair, taking off costs extra, landing costs extra, using the toilet costs extra...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAg0lUYHHFc

[clever mortar]

I have, once, never again 🤣

[cedar chasm]

Must be a good 16 years since I flew with Ryanair, last

[glacial knot]

oh, I do see the difference in how we can handle it. But I don't see why you'd consider the company actions behind it any different between cars and other products.

[deft pewter]

At last the flight was booked with all of the additions
We'd read the reams of smallprint of terms and conditions
And then, by god, they charge for using VISA which was drastic
'Cause how the feck are you supposed to pay if not with fecking plastic?
😂

[deft pewter]

One's a toy, the other's not 🤷‍♂️

[glacial knot]

both are consumer products /shrug

[deft pewter]

I don't know about you but I don't plan on spending £20k+ on a headset. When they only cost a couple of hundred, you know there's a catch somewhere.

On the other hand, when I spend £20k+ on a car, the whole thing better work as expected.

'Sorry, you can't use anything above 3rd gear if you don't pay for the Premium subscription'

[glacial knot]

A Tesla for 20k? I'd love to see that

[deft pewter]

I'm talking about cars in general.

If someone wants to give me a car for half price and have me pay a sub, sure. They aren't doing that... you're paying a significant amount of markup on top of the cost of the work and materials that went into producing it.

[glacial knot]

and I'd certainly pay more for products that aren't fucked by default. not by a factor of 10 though. Then I'd probably just not buy thing

[dusky plank]

http://www.bildschirmarbeiter.com/content/images/picdump_kw11_2021/picdump_kw11_2021-037.jpg

[deft pewter]

Your Oculus though... they're probably selling it at a loss and hoping to get something back when they sell your account data.

It's a completely different model. And for someone to sell something at a massive markup and still want a sub or to sell your data is just double dipping.

[glacial knot]

Which is the exact reason we should be wary of everything facebook.
It's not that I don't understand their business model. It's that I disagree with it and will avoid products they "sell" that way

[deft pewter]

It's not just Facebook and yet everyone latches on to that.

How many free accounts do you have with different services? And how many of them do you think aren't selling your data?

Despite Google's motto, they're 'evil' too.

[dull chasm]

i have almost no free accounts ....nothing is free

[glacial knot]

I have a grand total of 3 accounts that aren't payed for on my phone
and none of them are services I chose

[dull chasm]

i prolly have google maps type shit ...but i dont care and dare you to track or visit me

[glacial knot]

on my laptop the gratis stuff is containerized. Because I don't trust them

[dull chasm]

i would not trust the bristish neither

[lapis cipher]

Accounts, sooooo many accounts, i stopped counting long ago, same acco+pass also simplifies managing them all

[glacial knot]

oh, I forgot about freenode. I bet they are selling my IRC data 😄

[dull chasm]

yep while they are sipping tea and eating crumpets

and taxing the poor pheasants

while thinking of skin tone

[deft pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/run-bye-bye-cya-later-im-out-gif-17963224

[static schooner]

That is creepy

[dull chasm]

seems about right ...they stay in poverty and latched to the ground

[deft pewter]

I wouldn't know. I've never been a pheasant (or a peasant).

[clever mortar]

Even I was born a little late for that

[deft pewter]

Family weren't well off but they never struggled. I'm probably better off now than my parents were at my age.

I'm privileged 😱

[clever mortar]

Progress

[dull chasm]

they still exist .....just not in the same name ..... feed the sheep and they will eat what they are fead

[deft pewter]

Yeah, progress until someone decides I should be taxed to hell so they can have more freebies 😂

[clever mortar]

Welcome to my world 😛

[glacial knot]

suffers in taxes

[deft pewter]

I found it funny a couple of years ago when people started hating on salary sacrifice schemes and arguing they should be taken away. They didn't argue that they should be accessible to everyone, they just resent those of us lucky enough to have access.

[dull chasm]

i just bought almost $800 in tools so i can do things myself .....seems totally fair

[deft pewter]

I don't understand why everyone's first reaction is to drag others down instead of bringing each other up.

[clever mortar]

Because, sometimes it's hard to find the thing that:

• You're good (enough) at
• Pays enough

[deft pewter]

I'm glad that I can pay my pension via salary sacrifice. Lessens my tax burden and makes it more affordable to eventually retire 😄

[clever mortar]

Too many people seem to think you can't change career path...

[deft pewter]

Eh. I mock those people. Mostly because I changed careers at 30 😄

[dull chasm]

all this only equals ...if you work hard ....you will succed @clever mortar .....seems like a good path

[clever mortar]

I've changed career more than once, and I didn't pick my current path until relatively recently

[deft pewter]

Didn't like what I was doing, so put myself through a degree while working and changed career.

[clever mortar]

Oh, and I'm about to pivot again 😄

[deft pewter]

😮 What you changing to now?

[clever mortar]

Eh, still broadly the same, just ... different flavour

Waiting on getting the formal nod

[deft pewter]

And then you're gonna be hiring... right? 😄

[glacial knot]

putting the term into google real quick, I got a question: do you not get taxed by salary equivalent on goods provided by your employer?

[dull chasm]

@deft pewter nope not for angry brit's

[deft pewter]

Certain benefits are considered taxable, yes. My employer provides provide healthcare, so my tax allowance is reduced by the same value. Let's say it costs my employer £500 a year for my policy, I'm taxed on £500 extra that year.

Same goes for things like company cars, certain types of loans, and a few other things. They're called 'benefits in kind' if you want to Google the UK legislation for them.

Pensions though... not a benefit in kind. The scheme they have set up for us means that I can dump 10% of my salary into my pension before they calculate statutory deductions on the rest.

Benefits in kind are mostly the things that were traditionally given to someone if you wanted to 'pay' them off the books without giving them money. Like... 'we'll pay your rent for you but only give you half the salary'

Obviously the person receiving that arrangement still 'earns' plenty but the government never received the tax income from it.

[dull chasm]

seems complicated

[deft pewter]

Not really. Directors were getting lots of money from lots of sources and there was no income for the government.

[glacial knot]

it's even better with cars or computers
Because they have to factored into the salary in a rather complicated way to stretch their value over usual lifetime of the product

[deft pewter]

Let's say the interest rate for a bank loan was 10% and your company said they'd lend you money at 0% for a year. That's an income.

You've 'earned' the interest because you didn't have to pay it. Benefit in kind, changes your tax allowance.

None of this really affects low-level employees. It's all to stop people playing the system.

[glacial knot]

sales and other field employees might have cars on low-level positions.
But it's usually above middle management where it starts to actually matter