it's a trap
#the-water-cooler
subtle pasture
I mean, yeah, they want you to use Java
deft pewter
Do people still use Java? I thought .NET was the way now?
subtle pasture
Do people still use Java? I thought .NET was the way now?
Yeah, I vastly prefer C# / .Net
last dirge
it's pretty damn hard to beat performance-wise
deft pewter
I've barely touched C# and I still prefer it. Did Java through uni and it was... ๐คข
subtle pasture
Uh... usually C# is considered considerably faster than Java...
And because C# and Java are rather similar, there are actually automatic code converters to jump from Java to C# for the performance gains
last dirge
man, touching my dice profile was a bad idea
phone's been ringing non-stop
I haven't touched .NET in close to 20 years tho
thin spear
Is there any open source thermostat projects, that include support for multiple room sensors?
last plaza
.net core is the best!
C# is awesome!
The .net core has superior performance over traditional .net standard.
subtle pasture
It's also fully cross-platform ^
last plaza
.net core 5 fwiw
subtle pasture
Nice to see PowerShell make the jump to Linux, BSD, and OSX, as well
PowerShell script > Bash shell script, any day
last cedar
slate marsh
Nice to see PowerShell make the jump to Linux, BSD, and OSX, as well
Powershell core is a really good project fair play
deft pewter
Filthy PowerShell should stay on Windows where it belongs.
What's all that nonsense about importing modules about? Why can't I just use everything that's installed?
Speaking of performant languages... I'm halfway through building a desktop app in JavaScript ๐
Why learn a sensible desktop language when I can use Electron?
And... the crappy beta version is done. Tray app that handles volume control via MQTT, since IoTLink shits the bed when you try to use its audio module.
subtle pasture
What's all that nonsense about importing modules about? Why can't I just use eve...
You can tell PowerShell to import whatever modules you want at startup, so... You can in-fact do that
Same way Python works, and nobody complains about python imports
subtle pasture
Filthy PowerShell should stay on Windows where it belongs.
Lemme know when Bash gets updated a scripting interface from this century ๐คฃ
subtle pasture
Truth hurts. People already use Python everywhere because Bash shell scripts suck so hard, why not PowerShell?
hearty depot
because powershell sucks hard as f. that thing is so deam awarked
subtle pasture
And somehow Bash is still worse...
hearty depot
mounting a nfs in powershell as a example - i mean holy crap
hearty depot
using powershell for data syence, ok i have no clue
powershell for system administration, holy cow
midnight adder
you mean it's not just 'mount nfs://0.0.0.0.'?
subtle pasture
You're missing a local path to mount it to, there
midnight adder
interesting
hearty depot
Enable-WindowsOptionalFeature -FeatureName ServicesForNFS-ClientOnly, ClientForNFS-Infrastructure -Online -NoRestart
New-PSDrive Z -PsProvider FileSystem -Root \\10.40.1.1\export\isos -Persist
ufff
subtle pasture
@hearty depot not a fair comparison
That command actually INSTALLS the entire NFS client
Then goes on to configure a mount point
subtle pasture
It's in the component store, so it comes with windows
So it's physically on your hard disk, but it's not enabled by default
Hence "Windows optional feature"
midnight adder
that's even worse
subtle pasture
Not really
midnight adder
why disable a feature by default?
subtle pasture
No need to have the ports open or the service running if you're not using NFS
midnight adder
client opens ports?
hearty depot
well, thats how I have to use powershell
how to do this in bash
yum install -y nfs-common
echo "storage02.local:/ /mount nfs4 rw 0 0" >> /etc/fstab
mount -a``` tadasudo !!
subtle pasture
Your edit still fails...
midnight adder
i have sudo !! symlinked to s
hearty depot
I'm root anyway ๐
nah wont work out because of the redirection
hearty depot
you can do this with an cat EOF
subtle pasture
You either have not enough sudo, or too much sudo
midnight adder
=never enough sudo
subtle pasture
I kinda love how you managed to write perfectly valid PowerShell, but invalid Bash...
While bashing PowerShell
chef's kiss
hearty depot
I just want to say, bash is love
Powershell is JuStSomeHOwStranGe \
midnight adder
isn't powershell case insensitive?
subtle pasture
Optionally case sensitive. Defaults to off
midnight adder
so i have file and fiLe, how does standard config handle this?
hearty depot
the powershell sript i pasted above, will this persist on reboots?
subtle pasture
No, they're missing the persist flag. One tweak would make it persist
Also, when running on Linux, the solution they used in Bash also works in PowerShell
So there's literally no difference...
hearty depot
reminds me, I have to build a windows server cloud image -_-
I'm honest here - windows just feels hard for me
midnight adder
at the end of the day, thry both achieve the same thing and it's dealers choice
subtle pasture
Except not... PowerShell is actually a real time C# interpretor. It can import full .net objects and work with them
Bash... Doesn't extend that far
You want to do that with Bash, you're calling another language inside your script to get the job done
hearty depot
dealers choice
hearty depot
then you can compare awk to powershell too
subtle pasture
It's more apt to compare it with Python, honestly
bitter pawn
midnight adder
linux is built on the premise build one tool to do one thing "looking at you systemd"
subtle pasture
Though at least PowerShell doesn't make indentation part of syntax. I hate that shit...
glares at Python
hearty depot
wanted to configure cluster, ended up bitching about powershell ๐คฃ f. me
last dirge
@midnight adder then some smarmy upstart comes along and confuses it all
midnight adder
smamry upstart, that's my name
last cedar
I am pretty sure it is Henry B
midnight adder
โค๏ธ
last cedar
๐ฆ
fiery wigeon
Hello! anyone here that knows pzem004t on tasmota?
winter wren
here nobody knows nothing
fiery wigeon
dangit..
unkempt sage
Try #diy-archived
winter wren
or tasmota discord
fiery wigeon
Is there a tasmota discord really?
fiery wigeon
seems to be GitHub discussions for tasmota now
cedar chasm
I just came for the hugging cat gif
cedar chasm
Nais, it was a good day, after all ๐
winter wren
every day is a good day
clear ferry
cedar chasm
Such trippy, wholesome cat goodness
cedar chasm
woah, pass the multivitamins!
deft pewter
Got no vitamins, sorry. Want some molly?
cedar chasm
Frankly, I think that gif is laced in it already, so I'm good thank you!
I feel a storm brewing in my watchtower
something tells me mqtt is going to be unavailable in the morning
I don't know that there is a new image out, it's just sort of in the air that something's going to go boom tonight
tidal bronze
Cats ๐ค
cedar chasm
I haven't known many cats well but they seem alright
cedar chasm
That's one of them there cat ladies
clear ferry
I should buy a ceiling mount vesa thing, so I can get a fourth monitor
cedar chasm
You definitely should
tidal bronze
Yep.
clear ferry
Yep.
cedar chasm
Right, that's sorted then.
Well, I have groceries coming between 06:00 and 11:00, so I should take the first sleep-shift
deft pewter
Sleep shifts? ๐ฎ
cedar chasm
Well, I'm picturing waking up at roughly 05:50 to check my phone to see how I'm doing in the delivery queue
tidal bronze
6AM delivery that's early.
cedar chasm
then maybe catching some delayed snooze action for good measure
deft pewter
6am is way too early. I think the only people out that early here are milkmen and doggers.
cedar chasm
There's always someone starting work earlier than you think, is my experience
Any time you are on a flight that leaves at x o'clock, someone got there 2 hours earlier to do all the procedures and check people in
deft pewter
I've done warehouse jobs where I started at 5am. Wife's worked in airport jobs and started even earlier. I still wouldn't expect a delivery that early ๐คทโโ๏ธ
24 hours shifts were fun too. And I don't mean 24 hour patterns... I mean the occasional 24 hour long shift where people didn't turn up for their shifts and I had to cover ๐
last cedar
cedar chasm
That's when you start to question the meaning of it all
deft pewter
https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/m3qh1u/that_is_my_life_in_a_single_forei...
That's me a lot of the time. At least now I know there's a word for it.
cedar chasm
I'm going to try to refrain from leaning into my ๅฃๅฏใใ from tomorrow, and onwards
Things have gotten.. slightly.. out of hand
tidal bronze
Any time you are on a flight that leaves at x o'clock, someone got there 2 hours...
2 hours earlier to check in ? Space X ?
cedar chasm
International flights definitely has 'someone' showing up 2 hours beforehand, even if the counters aren't manned
Well ladi-daa ๐ XD
tidal bronze
Makes no sense but .....
cedar chasm
Now, forgive me if i presume too much, but I am going to venture a guess that you are paged a lot over the PA, by staff asking that you 'kindly make yourself known at gate xyz, which is closing 10 minutes ago'
deft pewter
My in-laws never have that problem. Mother in-law is so worried about being late that they were once an entire day earlier arriving to a port for a ferry ๐
They only realised when there was no-one else queuing... nothing was scheduled to leave that day.
cedar chasm
While that is taking it to the extreme, I respect the effort ๐
Well, all this talk of flights is science fiction these days anyway, so I'm sorry I brought it up
International ones, anyway
tidal bronze
Not really. ๐คฃ in a flight right now.
cedar chasm
Are you a moon person ๐ฎ
I'm about ready to get on a flight to somewhere else the moment we have our vaccines sorted though
dull chasm
in flight? ๐ค wings flapping?
tidal bronze
Some what. Too excited to get back home to LA. ๐คฃ
dull chasm
so stuffed up a ducks ass and helping when needed ๐ก
cedar chasm
Times like these is when living in the US would be a plus. Flying between states takes you somewhere different, with less worry of suddenly getting slapped with some horrendous lockdown situation
tidal bronze
@cedar chasm yes different alright. ๐
@subtle pasture BTW no Corp type gives you complete protection. People think that but hardly the case.
Just a myth.
last cedar
Lol Leapo
subtle pasture
I'm aware, you can absolutely fuck up and mix your personal assets with your company assets in a way that makes you liable
Which is why you have the personal attorney I mentioned earlier >_>
tidal bronze
Not only. Everyone forgets to mention legal expenses just to defend, isolated finances or not.
subtle pasture
Easier to fuck up with an LLC than with an S-corp, but I hear ya'
subtle pasture
Is this fucking ladder logic?
subtle pasture
Ah, so worse than ladder logic...
dull chasm
and such langue
subtle pasture
They actually got the IBM 1401 to run fortran ๐
Took about 20 minutes to process a table of floats. Heh
deft pewter
Quick than I could do it mentally ๐คทโโ๏ธ
subtle pasture
Yes, however, you also don't take up an entire room
subtle pasture
Was trying to be charitable, yeesh >_>
cedar chasm
If someone was charitable with some fried food right about now I might suffer a coronary.
tidal bronze
@dull chasm duck?
cedar chasm
Ducks man,
My place in the grocery delivery line-up has been decided. Between 07:10 and 08:15.
Rejoice, good night
molten osprey
Can an m.2 connector be built to support both SATA and PCIe, depending on whatever is plugged in?
clear magnet
im confused by your question. why would u have a m2 connector setup for sata?
molten osprey
why not? m.2 can do PCIe, SATA or USB
lots of m.2 sata drives around
NVMe drives are faster because they use PCIe
clear magnet
hmm guess i cant help i thought only m2 ports could only accept m2 devices
clear magnet
are u talking about a m2 to sata adapter?
clear magnet
sata to m2?
molten osprey
"Buses exposed through the M.2 connector are PCI Express 3.0 & newer, Serial ATA (SATA) 3.0 and USB 3.0"
m.2 is not a protocol
it's a connector type
clear magnet
thats why im asking if u need a adapter
molten osprey
no i'm looking at a cheap case claiming to do both SATA and PCIe
and i didnt know thats possible
clear magnet
link pls
molten osprey
closed the window
but the product wont solve the question
๐
it was on aliexpress. they'll say anything.
just not sure if it's possible
and i dont know enough about the m.2 connector to know if it would be possible.
clear magnet
yeah i wanted to see what u were talkin about
well like u said its just a connector im sure there are adapter for everything
what is the problem ur trying to solve
molten osprey
"is it possible for an m.2 socket to accept either PCIe devices or SATA devices, or must the manufacturer make a choice between the two when soldering the socket?"
i guess that means it can support both protocols, but not both at the same time ... the device plugged in will select it?
clear magnet
yeah seems that way but i cant find any sata to m2 adapter or pcie to m2
clear magnet
how would you connect it then?
molten osprey
you can buy an m.2 ssd that speaks sata (WD Green, Blue) or an m.2 ssd that speaks pcie (WD Black)
clear magnet
lets say u had a sata u wanted in your m2 port. what would u use to connect them
yeah m2 to sata and m2 to pcie
molten osprey
you're talking about SATA the connector, i'm talking about SATA the protocol ๐
clear magnet
the adapter would translate is if needed
well to answer u question yes u can adapt a m2 to other protocols such as usb, sata, pcie, blah blah
but not the other way around which is what i though u wanted
molten osprey
no need to adapt
m.2 suppots usb, sata, pcie out of the box
the protocols, that is
supports*
clear magnet
well good luck trying to put a sata cable on a m2 drive
molten osprey
you're still confusing connectors and protocols
an m.2 drive has an m.2 CONNECTOR, and uses it to either speak PCIe or SATA to the host
there is no need for an adapter
i was as confused as you 24 hours ago ๐
from Wikipedia: "The M.2 specification provides up to four PCI Express lanes and one logical SATA 3.0 (6 Gbit/s) port, and exposes them through the same connector so both PCI Express and SATA storage devices may exist in the form of M.2 modules."
clear magnet
quick google search i got this
"If youโre planning on going with an M.2 drive while building or upgrading your gaming PC, itโs important to note whether youโre getting a SATA-based drive or an NVMe-based drive. Your motherboard might not have the appropriate M.2 slots for both types (SATA and NVMe M.2 drives are often keyed slightly differently), and even if it does, you donโt want to waste money on a pricier NVMe drive if the motherboard youโve chosen can only access data using the SATA protocol (not every motherboard allows for PCIe data transfers)."
molten osprey
m.2 SATA drives exist but have little benefit over a 2.5-inch form factor
clear magnet
the manufacutre will pin it out to tell the mobo the correct protocol to use
agreed
im all nvme here
molten osprey
little benefit except being slightly cheaper
i have no use for NVMe, all my hardware is too old to support the speeds
I don't go beyond USB 3.0 / SATA-3
clear magnet
ur hardware too slow but u have a m2 port?
molten osprey
i dont have an m.2 port ... i'm looking at being an SSD enclosure. an m.2 enclosure that supports NVMe over PCIe is 50% more than one that supports SATA.
the enclosure then translates either pcie or sata to USB
it's a small price difference, and the SSD sticks themselves are also quite similar in price. so there is no real reason not to get anything other than NVMe.
my question was simply for learning .... as i didnt know m.2 can support both protocols
the wikipedia page about m.2 is informative
clear magnet
Well ssd size value is still better than nvme. If you arenโt going to take advantage of the faster speeds then nvme seem uneccesary
molten osprey
not if you get sticks in the m.2 form factor, they're the same price
clear magnet
Itโs support being backwards compatible. In case you have a m2 drive and no m2 port
molten osprey
true
i've seen the adapters
i like the m.2 2280 sticks because they fit right next to a Raspberry Pi 4 in a 3.5-inch drive bay
clear magnet
Yeah if ur down in the sub 2tb range ur right
molten osprey
hehe
i'm annoying the smallest SSD i can buy is 256GB
i would get 32 if they had them
clear magnet
Just buy a sd card and a sd card reader
molten osprey
it's a Pi running Home Assistant
clear magnet
Got yourself a tiny ssd
molten osprey
I've had too many SD cards die on me
clear magnet
Why not just upgrade ur pi sd to 512 then
molten osprey
i cant find small SSD's! everything available for me is 256 and up
i could do that, but whats the point when you use less than 16GB ๐
clear magnet
Get a Evo sd
So confused ur say ur trying to put m2 then ur saying you donโt need more than 16gb.
molten osprey
oh a 512GB SD card ... sorry i misread that
hehe
i dont need more than 16gb, but i wont use SD cards because they keep dying on me
so ... SSD it is
clear magnet
Good luck
molten osprey
i've got SSD running on other Pi's
but getting a new one now and figuring out the storage for it
i actually had a Pi running DISKLESS yesterday
but Docker doesnt run over NFS
or rather OverlayFS doesnt run over NFS
subtle pasture
Well ssd size value is still better than nvme. If you arenโt going to take advan...
Eh? NVMe drives have been at price parity with SATA drives for a long time now
clear magnet
Eh? NVMe drives have been at price parity with SATA drives for a long time now
not really above 2tb
subtle pasture
Only because NVMe drives are limited on PCB space above 2tb, though qlc drives are close
Also, if you're taking about 4 and 8TB drives, even SATA disks are prohibitively expensive...
clear magnet
yes but thats subjective
subtle pasture
Actually, I just looked... Even 4TB NVMe drives are within $20 of their SATA counterparts
8TB is where the price parity breaks...
So yeah, I stand by my point. Unless you're, specifically, buying an 8TB drive, NVMe drives have been at price parity with SATA drives for a long time now.
clear magnet
what ever make u feel better about urself
subtle pasture
It's just the truth? You can go search Amazon and see ๐คทโโ๏ธ
Prices are similar all the way up the stack, until 8TB
And that's a good thing, IMHO. SATA is kinda a massive dead-end standard...
cedar chasm
Sucked to hear about your ISPs bandwidth throttling the other day, @subtle pasture
Is there not much competition where you live?
subtle pasture
Pretty much. My options are Comcast Cable (1.2 Gbps) or AT&T DSL (25 mbps)
subtle pasture
Both of them have caps, and charge per-gigabyte after you exceed your monthly allotment
clear ferry
subtle pasture
So it actually makes more sense to buy a NAS than attempt large cloud backups, which is kinda absurd
cedar chasm
We have that for cellular based services
subtle pasture
My cell phone has unlimited LTE bandwidth. Lol
clear ferry
Yeah, we had 6 months of caps in 98 on fixed broadband, wasn't very popular
Consumers have basically capless mobile subscriptions, my wife usually has 60GB with all the rollovers
subtle pasture
I could pay an extra fee to Comcast to remove the cap...
cedar chasm
Well, if you pay for it you get something approaching unlimited LTE, but beware of fineprint
subtle pasture
But I don't blow it often enough for that to pan out financially
clear ferry
With my work subscription I am limited to 15GB per month, no rollover
subtle pasture
There's also Comcast Business Internet, for 3x the price
clear ferry
I usually use 20-25G a month on mobile, I just charge my employer for the extra data packs ๐คฃ
subtle pasture
But it comes with 5 static IPv4 addresses, so I guess that's nice?
clear ferry
Eh, I haven't had any use for static ips ever tbh, don't need to run mail servers at home or anything
Had 8 IPs available since 2000 atleast
Think my current ISP gives me 6
Dynamic mind you
subtle pasture
Running your own mail server is just pure pain anyway...
clear ferry
Exactly
clear ferry
๐คข
subtle pasture
Dude, vomit somewhere else
Even Google runs Exchange in the cloud for enterprise email
clear ferry
The don't run their own gsuite? But it is so great ๐คฃ
subtle pasture
You want Exchange Active Sync support from Google cloud services? It's Exchange. Lol
Which is probably why they removed EAS support from their free tier
Microsoft still offers it to free tier, though. That's nice.
clear ferry
Exchange and 365 is king for corporate and collaboration, but for my personal stuff, protonmail 
I still see customers using lotus' suite
Fuck that is shit
subtle pasture
I just hooked my own domain into Azure and called it a day ๐คทโโ๏ธ
cedar chasm
Do they still show that on Tv2?
clear ferry
If I want background noise I'll just open up NRK on my apple TV and do direct stream
cedar chasm
Works, I guess
There's been a lot of YouTube going while I need idle noise lately
But also just some long form tv drama eps that I have either seen or don't particularly care about
clear ferry
I do 60 minutes and watch the interesting segments only while my daughter is "cooking" in her kitchen ๐คฃ
cedar chasm
clear ferry
My daughter on the other hand just wants to come with me into the music studio, or bang on my keyboard in my office
And she loves watching the 3d printer work
"daddy printing?" ๐คฃ
last cedar
MMMM LASAGNE
subtle pasture
Agree ^
last cedar
cedar chasm
I approve
last cedar
Hillarious
cedar chasm
So I found this for a laugh: https://www.inupathy.com/en/
But actually, if it could be integrated into HA one might be able to automate some form of entertainment for a pet while away
provided it's not all baloney
Or if the dog is agitated or in distress, you could get a notification, but I suppose the supplied app might already do that
I don't have a dog, so not my hill to die on, but anyone that sees this can feel free to run with the idea
There might even be raccoon applications for the technology
last cedar
heavy breathing
clear ferry
hushed basalt
When all the streaming services crack down on account sharing
https://c.tenor.com/X_uVRlWQU-EAAAAM/disney-movies.gif
cedar chasm
eh, with the mountain of content out there, I can't be bothered about staying current on where to pirate things.
To each, their own though. Have fun on the open seas
cedar chasm
Even Spotify doesn't have all music, though, unless they do now
haven't been paying attention
hushed basalt
I would need Netflix, Stan, Disney, Prime and Foxtel to cover 90% of the shows I watch
Plus I'd need to also purchase some shows outright
cedar chasm
You're not wrong, it would be expensive
deft pewter
Or Usenet. Sorted ๐
There's a relationship between cost and piracy that businesses don't seem to acknowledge. When you end up having to spend $50+ a month just to watch your favourite shows, a lot of people will turn to the dark side.
Hell, there's content that's not even available on streaming, so where do you turn for that?
deft pewter
We pay for Prime already (not just for TV), Disney+ for the missus, Netflix for us both. I'm not paying more than that.
Haha. Sky sucks ๐
Cable/satellite is a rip-off.
cedar chasm
Now, I know Usenet has been the held up for ages by people in the know as the one-stop shop for content but what is it actually?
deft pewter
It's kinda like an older form of Limewire/Napster but it's not P2P. People upload 'articles' to a message board, you search for them and download them. Only articles don't have to be text, they can be binaries.
subtle pasture
There's a relationship between cost and piracy that businesses don't seem to ack...
Cost and convenience both play into it, I think
deft pewter
You can get malware anywhere. I haven't come across any on Usenet ๐คทโโ๏ธ
Yup. I find it way more convenient to have all my media in one place on my PC. Hate switching apps and searching for stuff.
subtle pasture
I want all my content in one place. The media industry failed at that, and hard, when they started pulling programming off of netflix
midnight adder
Cost and convenience both play into it, I think
when my internet dies because it rained satTV still works... I should read huh
cedar chasm
It's kinda like an older form of Limewire/Napster but it's not P2P. People uploa...
So someone is footing the bill for the storage space?
deft pewter
Most of the media I have is probably available on the services we pay for. They're just so annoying to use.
subtle pasture
Like, sure, launch your own streaming platform, but DON'T pull your content off of other streaming services if you don't want it pirated
deft pewter
So someone is footing the bill for the storage space?
Yes... but you pay for access, so they're not doing it out of charity.
deft pewter
It's a little complicated because there's multiple pieces to it. You'll want to subscribe to an indexer (the 'search engine') and access to download from somewhere too. Maybe $100/year if done cheaply.
Oh, DMCA do go after them. It's just not very effective ๐
midnight adder
i wonder if they make or loose money from having a fleet of lawyers DCMA everything always
cedar chasm
So it's a shell game of sorts, where an attack has as of yet been unsuccessful
deft pewter
Between Usenet and torrents, there's very little you can't find. Usenet gets weird though... some people sub to multiple services in case one service doesn't have the articles they want.
subtle pasture
Yeah, usenet requires you pay for access to a Usenet Service Provider, and then you'll often also need to pay for access to news servers
deft pewter
I almost gave up when looking into Usenet and I'm pretty tech savvy. It's not intuitive at all... but once set up, it's amazing.
subtle pasture
However, the annual fee for all of the above is cheaper than a year of Spotify, so...
midnight adder
i wonder if anyone went 'damn, my service of choice got taken down, guess i'll sign up for hbo max'
subtle pasture
@deft pewter Supernews + NZBGeek + NZBGet is a good start... and tie it into Sonarr / Radarr
The real issue with Usenet is retention. Stuff gets re-uploaded constantly because articles that are over a year old start to die
midnight adder
<@!363445247323144192> Supernews + NZBGeek + NZBGet is a good start... and tie i...
i'll have to look this up
clear ferry
eh, with the mountain of content out there, I can't be bothered about staying cu...
Don't have to, sonarr and radarr just fetches stuff for me, I just tell it to and it obeys like a little slave
I should get an invite to nzbplanet somehow
subtle pasture
Don't have to, sonarr and radarr just fetches stuff for me, I just tell it to an...
This
It's nice being able to pop open Plex and have a list of "recently added" content that's nothing but my favorite movies/shows, with all of the commercials removed
cedar chasm
subtle pasture
The TV/Movie industry needs to wise up to what the record industry figured out ages ago
deft pewter
You all do the whole Radarr/Sonarr setup?
subtle pasture
Put your content on as many platforms as possible
midnight adder
do you host locally or externally ?
deft pewter
do you host locally or externally ?
Yes
subtle pasture
Local. I run a few virtual machines for everything
midnight adder
i need more space to do this effectively, i 'only' have 3tb of space in my local server
clear ferry
doggo
subtle pasture
I wound up buying a used NAS for $1500 (drives included)
midnight adder
though a single 10tb drive is 2 months of sky so eh?
deft pewter
i need more space to do this effectively, i 'only' have 3tb of space in my local...
I only have a 4TB drive for media. I'd prefer not to delete stuff but I just compromise by deleting stuff I know I'll never watch again.
subtle pasture
40TB usable space, after parity
clear ferry
I get by with 4x10 + 3x6 +3x2 in my NAS, plus a few ssds for intensive stuff, and some jbod in my second server
midnight adder
i need to deal with my glacial internet first
subtle pasture
Mine's currently 12x4TB
deft pewter
atx keeps promising to send me some HPE hardware but it never appears.
subtle pasture
in a 2U rackmount chassis
deft pewter
I gave you my firstborn custom integration ๐คทโโ๏ธ
deft pewter
What's an RX8640?
clear ferry
Or RP8420 if you prefer
deft pewter
Are they both old crap? ๐
deft pewter
I'm guessing they wouldn't make for a good low power consumption NAS ๐
We actually have to pay for electricity here.
clear ferry
That I'm probably one of the few people left who isn't retired who know
In northern Europe
midnight adder
about to test to see if my rpi psu is flaky by powering it through a linear bench psu
triple checking polarity
deft pewter
Pi? ๐คข
midnight adder
raspberry pi3
deft pewter
๐คข
midnight adder
it didn't explode ... yet
deft pewter
Time to see if my Electron app works when compiled ๐ค
midnight adder
ASM or bust
deft pewter
If I knew other languages well enough, I'd use them instead. But I wanted something I could rapidly prototype... I know JS ๐คทโโ๏ธ
deft pewter
Built a systray app that displays a UI to enter MQTT details (including base topic) and then just runs in the background to sync stuff. I wanted something that could do the bits IoTLink can't (like its fucky audio controls).
clear ferry
Dog damnit
None of the stores that had that vesa ceiling mount are open
Due to covid
Similar stores have drive though
But of course not them
midnight adder
ouchy
clear ferry
Heavy items usually don't make sense to order online here
deft pewter
Works when compiled. Woot.
clear ferry
That said, I did get a led bar from AliExpress with free shipping
No, monitor above my desk
midnight adder
led or lead?
deft pewter
Just use a monitor arm?
clear ferry
I already have three arms
deft pewter
Get a fourth
clear ferry
So need to use the ceiling
deft pewter
Norway has legal limit of 3 arms per desk?
midnight adder
you have a need for all these monitors that alt tab can't do?
when i say need, is it for employment?
clear ferry
The one I'm looking at is $40 but yes
midnight adder
nice dalark
clear ferry
midnight adder
probably extra for the motors
clear ferry
Yeah I don't need that
midnight adder
clear ferry
Just one extra monitor would get me far
midnight adder
ouch link
midnight adder
https://www.jula.no/catalog/hjem-og-husholdning/hjemmeelektronikk/tv-og-bilde/ve...
it says delivery in 3-7 days
whats the cost?
clear ferry
$7
But it was the principle, with drive through there is no need for the stores to be closed
midnight adder
i'm sure these 'free' delivery just have their delivery costs worked into the price and it's really about $7
what sbc did you recommend, was it oDroid? @deft pewter ?
clear ferry
๐คข
midnight adder
nuc?
clear ferry
Anything with proper storage and a usable cpu
So any laptop or mini computer from the last 10 years, except atoms
gusty wraith
Earlier this week our gov tried something silly here which some of the courts didn't enjoy likewise: shopping on appointment. The idea was to have only 1 person in a shop at the same time for say 30 minutes.
It's silly because while everything was kept shut except grocery, the figures went up. They now decided this is unfair practice and in some states it's now business as usual (with some rules of course)
I'm still wondering who profits most from this crisis....
midnight adder
healthcare
gusty wraith
probably...
midnight adder
and the government saving a tonne in not paying as many pensions
my 87 year old grandad said that
gusty wraith
but if this is all biased towards big pharma i wonder why the gov didn't just say f*ck it and just do nothing.
midnight adder
a few countries have
gusty wraith
this is why i can't seem to figure out who's the real winner in this
midnight adder
nobody wins, some loose less
gusty wraith
yeah...
deft pewter
There is no winner. Anyone that suggests there is needs to repair their tin foil hat.
midnight adder
just saying
grins
here's the actual berkley research
unfort the photos are down =/
deft pewter
Pictures are in an earlier grab: https://web.archive.org/web/20101031045619/http://berkeley.intel-research.net:80/arahimi/helmet/
midnight adder
ah perfect
The helmets amplify frequency bands that coincide with those allocated to the US government between 1.2 Ghz and 1.4 Ghz. According to the FCC, These bands are supposedly reserved for ''radio location'' (ie, GPS), and other communications with satellites (see, for example, [3]). The 2.6 Ghz band coincides with mobile phone technology. Though not affiliated by government, these bands are at the hands of multinational corporations.
deft pewter
Yeah, their conclusion is funny.
deft pewter
๐คทโโ๏ธ
Probably depends on the NUC you buy.
If you want something you can upgrade, build a real PC.
deft pewter
If this is just for HA and other miscellaneous apps, an NUC is plenty. If you want to do video encoding or incorporate a NAS, build a real machine.
I'm happy with my NUC for low-power stuff. It's tiny and consumes almost no power.
midnight adder
i want it for a dhcp server, adguard, and HA
deft pewter
Then an NUC is fine and you don't care about having tons of RAM.
midnight adder
my RPi was sitting at 95% ram usage
midnight adder
define almost no power
midnight adder
ah that's fine
deft pewter
Even at ยฃ160, it's gonna pay for itself in the electricity it saves in the first year.
deft pewter
This is only a Celeron ๐
midnight adder
but a LOT more recent
deft pewter
That's with Hyperion running at all times (it's currently transcoding) and about 8 Docker containers (including HA and AdGuard Home).
midnight adder
seems resonable
deft pewter
Yeah. No need for a fancier processor if you're not running something like Plex off it.
midnight adder
no
deft pewter
If I ever build a NAS, that'll become my media server too.
Shift some of the crap off my main PC so it becomes gaming/dev machine instead of a hodge podge of everything.
midnight adder
and even if i was running plex. it\d not be transcoding it'd be direct stream
deft pewter
You hope. Some people have trouble with device profiles.
But yeah, if all goes to plan, direct stream will be fine.
midnight adder
plex is odd
deft pewter
Sure is. I'm trying to get it to match Wonder Woman 1984 but it's throwing a tantrum because it's got two years in the file name (1984 and 2020) ๐
midnight adder
lol
deft pewter
Bazarr did fine and grabbed the subs...
midnight adder
you know sky are trying to charge for a HD version of that, not even 4k
they're mad
deft pewter
Sky are idiots. PPV is a ridiculous idea, even during the pandemic.
Disney tried to pull the same shit... and unfortunately, I think enough people paid that they're going to keep doing it.
Mulan and Raya both released as a 'premium' item before general availability... which is a massive con when you're already paying a monthly sub to see everything.
deft pewter
๐
This is why I refuse to go cable/satellite. We don't even watch terrestrial TV, since we disagree with a thinly veiled tax that funds a single shitty organisation.
midnight adder
yeah i'm going to cancel my 'tv license' when i can cancel my sattv
though i'm going to keep iptv - naughty naughty
deft pewter
Meh. The way the license is worded, you only need to pay if you either receive TV in realtime or stream BBC shows (realtime or delayed). If you're happy avoiding the BBC, it's fine.
Can't remember the last time I wanted to watch a BBC show anyway.
@clear ferry, on the other hand, loves BBC.
midnight adder
BBC shows are very sucky
deft pewter
Right. Finally got Plex to untwist its knickers. Off to run some chores.
clear ferry
BBCBBW you say
qrencode is a nice little app
@deft pewter @deft pewter @deft pewter @deft pewter @deft pewter @deft pewter @deft pewter
midnight adder
?
clear ferry
?
inner vault
You can also use it to take 2fa secrets into scanable codes
inner vault
Yeah, but you can't use them everywhere =/
qrencode -tANSI -m1 -o- 'otpauth://totp/Google:myaccount?secret=beepboopbop&issuer=Google'
handy for storing them in pass or whatever
ugh, also darn that woman for now making me feel like my beepboopbop is transphobic
clear ferry
Noice
inner vault
alternatively just store the secret string and use oathtool --totp --base32 $secret to get the 6 digit totp code
hushed basalt
Sherlock ๐คข
Line of Duty ๐
Doctor Who ๐คข
Merlin no idea
Blackadder ๐ but too old to count
Fleabag ๐
Topgear ๐คข
Monty python, falwty towers, too old to count
Luther great 1.5 seasons the rest is hot trash
...
The Fall :sick: :sick: :sick:
Yeah BBC looks like a no from me dawg. Especially anything made this millennium
cedar chasm
Doctor Who was fun for a long time, until the budget got too big
deft pewter
The only BBC show I really enjoyed was Sherlock and it appears they're not making any more now that Bananaman Cummerbund is Hollywood famous.
deft pewter
You're special.
deft pewter
Which isn't BBC ๐
cedar chasm
You're special.
Then please insert [success]
midnight adder
no
deft pewter
Kinda my point. There's naff all that I'm interested in on BBC. Happy to forego the license.
Doctor Who went downhill after Tennant. Smith, Capaldi and Whittaker all try too hard.
midnight adder
i quite like whittaker in it actually but i never liked Doctor Who
cedar chasm
Tennant was my Doctor but that's why we have so many of them
deft pewter
Meh. She goes too far with the commoner routine.
cedar chasm
so you can have your own
midnight adder
she's from up tut north
deft pewter
She's a frigging Timelord(lady?) and acts like she's one of the locals.
cedar chasm
lots of places have a north
deft pewter
Except Australia.
midnight adder
there's a northern part of aus?
cedar chasm
yes, it's called the north pole
that's the northern part of everywhere really
if we go by "true north chauvinist" rules
makes sense if you think about it
even more if you don't
midnight adder
thinking?
midnight adder
what is this for?
cedar chasm
thinking
I quite like British panel shows though
Would I lie to you, Never mind the Buzzcocks, etc
deft pewter
๐คข
cedar chasm
Though the guests that are on usually make or break the episodes
deft pewter
Comedy... ๐คข
midnight adder
very bbc
cedar chasm
I'll take those over most current sit-coms
cedar chasm
Well I'm glad you got some comedic release ๐
Granted, "comedy" is a lot better when inherent funniness can creep into otherwise serious story matter
deft pewter
Like car crashes and murders?
cedar chasm
Well, you had to be there
deft pewter
Reminds me of the time I saw someone lose their head. Literally. ๐ค
cedar chasm
Hmm, well that's taking it a bit further than I envisioned
deft pewter
You just have a weak imagination ๐
cedar chasm
true
deft pewter
Although I'll have to admit I do too... I don't know what to call this app I'm building.
deft pewter
๐ค
cedar chasm
you're welcome
Are you happy with Electron, then? Was there much of a learning curb?
deft pewter
I work with NodeJS already, so the only bits to learn are the Electron-specific API's. It's got some weird patterns in place to safely call Node stuff from the front-end and to interact between front- and back-end components.
I'll share this on GitHub when I get a bit further and you can take a look. Trying to make it something that anyone can install and enter their own config.
If I can sort out suitable GitHub Actions, I can even get it to build releases so you can just grab an executable.
deft pewter
Gonna polish the UI a bit more, then add start on login behaviour to it.
All it does for now is control PC volume via MQTT but I'll probably find other things I want to add to it. I gave up on IoTLink, so I might add PC shutdown to this too.
lapis cipher
Polish UI might be hard for some of us, </lousy>
deft pewter
Nie
deft pewter
Yup, gonna file that right in the trash.
deft pewter
Catchy. Rolls off the tongue.
cedar chasm
cedar chasm
I suppose that's starting in the right end
Of course if you came up with a snazzy name and some buzzwords we might be able to find you some VC
deft pewter
VC?
cedar chasm
Venture Capital
midnight adder
deft pewter
VS Code's Emmet integration has improved loads since I last did any front-end work. The tooltip actually shows you what your Emmet abbreviation will expand to and updates as you type ๐คฏ
How am I doing so far? ๐
static plinth
I wish home assistant blu had WiFi.
deft pewter
WiFi servers... ๐คข
static plinth
Yea but ha blu is almost consumer friendly enough to just like buy and ship to a non techie end user
deft pewter
Sure... and if they're non-techie, you'll get endless calls from them asking why it's dropping off the network.
Most consumer hubs need an ethernet connection because that's just sensible for an kind of always-on server.
clever mortar
Unless apparently you bought the current generation of Google WiFi, which only has one network port - for the WAN 
deft pewter
Well it is Google WiFi. You didn't expect ethernet, did you? ๐
And even 'non-techie' people need to know a certain amount if they're expecting to automate their homes. There's no plug-and-play solution out there that doesn't take some fiddling.
There's a reason that traditionally you've had to pay thousands for someone to install for you if you can't do it yourself. It ain't easy.
real tinsel
static plinth
Well Iโm dumb cuz a blu wouldnโt work for what I need to do anyway. I need to get modbus communication into it.
So a hat and a custom case and some additional preprogramming
My employer is having a hard time rolling an monitoring app out for their home battery, Iโm trying to get them to embrace HA as the solution instead.
They have seen success in moving tech support over to discord so maybe this will happen too
deft pewter
Sounds like cutting corners to me. Businesses should probably be using something more stable than HA and Discord ๐
HA is great but it's definitely more of an enthusiast thing.
static plinth
We still do phone and email support but Discord letโs us also support customers with non urgent questions, in a team environment where everyone can get up to speed on the question/issue
Sometimes that isnโt what is best, so we kick it to a phone or email at that point
HA is more of a stretch
But customers want to monitor our product and we donโt have a great solution
deft pewter
Discord for non-urgent? As a customer, I'd expect to get a far quicker answer via chat than via any other channel.
Email is non-urgent.
static plinth
Generally the urgent customers are old school
deft pewter
Or just old ๐
static plinth
Yea sometimes unschooled
Problem with making our own app is that support issue as well
So Iโd prefer the app to not be part of the company to reduce the support
deft pewter
That's a... strange view. You'll just tell customers that it's not your problem?
That'll go down well.
static plinth
Yea thatโs the concern
Not tell them itโs not our problem
But that itโs not our software so if they want to configure it to their home and play with it, itโs their responsibility
static plinth
We make batteries that go with solar, and there is an industry problem of too many monitoring systems. So this is a path where we donโt need to be directly responsible for supporting our own app, and pushes the customers down a road that has features they want, like comprehensive home monitoring and potential for energy automation.
Sounds to me like they should use Blu and we need to develop a compatible WiFi feather dodad.
static plinth
Thatโs definitely an issue we deal with, to get our battery to talk to various manufacturers inverters directly
Like itโs all mod bus or canvas but the registries are scrambled, so they use a matrix to decode it. Fun stuff
deft pewter
@cedar chasm I've named it and pushed it. Not tested the start on login functionality yet, since I don't want to log out right now. https://github.com/jlweston/bifrost
I'll work out the GitHub Actions stuff soon. There's no release for you to download but you can have a nosey through the code.
cedar chasm
I don't know the particulars of your field but providing off the shelf solutions, with a commercial entity behind it seems like the route that leads to the least tears, mr JohnCSolar
cedar chasm
I'll work out the GitHub Actions stuff soon. There's no release for you to downl...
I am indeed nosy, thank you ๐
deft pewter
๐คทโโ๏ธ
cedar chasm
Well, I'd hardly count myself a developer, but I recognize enough to see that Electron keeps it's promise of being Javascript/HTML/CSS.
Very interesting, and definitely the shape of things to come, if not as they are this very day!
deft pewter
You're already using Electron apps ๐
deft pewter
Fairly confident Discord is, as is VS Code.
cedar chasm
this very app ๐ฎ
deft pewter
MS Teams too, I think.
cedar chasm
It's coming from inside the house
deft pewter
It used to be considered slow and bloated. It's come a long way.
lapis cipher
good stuff, thumbs up
cedar chasm
Yeah Leapo said Teams as well
and Slack
though reports are that they seem stuck in the bad old days of Electron
I was going to say I might take coding back up again, once I feel secure in my work situation, but truth be told there's not much I would want to use it for at the moment
I did a couple of Android apps for personal use early on in the pandemic, but nothing I really want or need now
deft pewter
Go for it. It's really fulfilling knowing that you can create something to solve problems.
cedar chasm
Yeah, it was, it is
when the need arises, I'll ham-fist some code
๐ โ
For now, I get the same satisfaction from hammering out yaml-automations, though I know that won't attract much venture capital in itself
deft pewter
Eh. I don't expect to profit from anything I do. That's what the day job is for.
cedar chasm
Same page as me, then
deft pewter
Looks like the GH Action worked: https://github.com/jlweston/bifrost/releases/tag/v1.1.0
Might write a readme later if I cba. It's pretty basic - if you've worked with MQTT before, it should be simple enough, @cedar chasm
cedar chasm
Chrome flagged your file as something 'not commonly downloaded' XD
Modern browsers are such overbearing creatures
deft pewter
Well it's right. It's literally the first time you've tried downloading it.
cedar chasm
It's making it out to be the first time anyone has downloaded it
which also might be true
deft pewter
It probably is. Unless someone beat you to it when I shared the link.
I built it locally, I don't need to download it ๐
cedar chasm
'Submit' doesn't seem to do anything ๐
deft pewter
If it doesn't say it's done anything, it worked ๐
The UX is pretty crappy atm but the app is functional.
cedar chasm
Excellent ๐
deft pewter
Use something like MQTT Explorer to watch the base topic you supplied.
I meant to make the window hide when you set it up successfully, forgot to add it in. I'll probably also have it change to a different page when you open it later too.
cedar chasm
Base topic actually needs to be supplied though, just leaving it as is results in Invalid MQTT config! on submit
deft pewter
Yeah, all needs to be supplied. Sue me.
cedar chasm
Can't afford to, so I'll just thank you for your efforts ๐
deft pewter
I'll tweak it at some point. Or I won't. Either way, it's open source and anyone can contribute.
Solves a problem I cared about... if other people can benefit, that's great too.
cedar chasm
That's the magic of open source ๐
In any case, you are a talented developer and I wish you much professional and recreational success, in the field
or to put it in more #the-water-cooler appropriate terms
short lion
Ideas for getting the 2 parts of a door sensor close enough together to work when placed on the fridge? Distance is 25mm and ideally it should be half that.
I adhered them to the magnets and I can move the magnets to get them closer together, but the magnets move around
last cedar
Mount it on a piece of something, as you have done
last cedar
That is how the proper alarm magnets do
short lion
I'm hoping for something a little more elegant than taping the magnets in place ๐
last cedar
short lion
just a stronger magnet?
short lion
yeah
last cedar
Similar to that
Aluminium is important because it isn't magnetic
You can disturb the magnets with magnets ๐คฃ
Or other non ferous metal
short lion
but then how do I attach the bracket to the fridge?
clear ferry
Double sided adhesive
short lion
true
last cedar
You caan hold them with your fingers
clear ferry
Isn't this what we have crotch goblins for?
Like me when my father was on the roof adjusting the satellite dish in the 80s
BETTER
WORSE
last cedar
Help me test the indicators on the car
Ok
Yes
No
Yes
No
Yes
No
deft pewter
_what is an indicator dad?_
Said every BMW driver ever.
clear ferry
I still remember the sound of that satellite dish changing channels
last cedar
LOL
clear ferry
BRRRRRRRRRRR
clear ferry
Yes, it was...... Probably 2-3 meter diameter too
clear ferry
Must have been late 80s we got it
My father sold them as a part time job
And copied cards at work ๐คฃ
tidal bronze
I can't stand there all day, I'm a busy man
Why a door sensor on a fridge ?
clever mortar
For when the kids forget to close it properly, again ๐
tidal bronze
Oh. If the hinges are properly adjusted they autoclose.
short lion
Oh. If the hinges are properly adjusted they autoclose.
I just leveled it and then came back and saw this
๐
but the bolts are almost all the way in and the front is still too low
tidal bronze
Adjustable feet should let you trim the rest.
tidal bronze
Hinges first then feet trim last.
short lion
ah
lapis cipher
or just..
short lion
how barbaric
tidal bronze
Feet all the way in > minimum trim to balance the base if floor uneven > door hinges > feet trim
short lion
how do you do the hinges?
tidal bronze
Ones I have do have hinge adjustment don't know if it's there in every model.
short lion
ah
lapis cipher
happened to have my fridge and freezer inst. manuals here and i've only got front legs adjustable, nothing else
and yes, my barbaric installation does wait for leg adjustment also for the stove.. its even now thou ๐
short lion
just tilt your whole house
short lion
patient: it hurts when I do this
doctor: don't do that
clear ferry
But I am putting temperature sensors in all my fridges and freezers, to notice if the door is open
2 fridges and 4 freezers 
Actually I have three fridges come think of it, one in the upstairs living room too
orchid rose
atx just trying to use as much energy as possible at this point lol
clear ferry
Don't worry, I'm putting the heating on in my greenhouse soon
lapis cipher
those are possibly the two devices to monitor in any house, lets not go into atx's 20+ years old stuff, the newer does not last and breaks up..
clear ferry
short lion
I have a hot house to protect me from the cold outside. Inside my hot house, I have a smaller cold house to protect my food from the heat of my hot house.
<Takes some cold food out of the cold house and places it in an even smaller, hotter house.
lapis cipher
Need to hack in...
last cedar
Oh. If the hinges are properly adjusted they autoclose.
We don't even have a frost free freezer, of course the door doesn't close ๐คฃ
hushed basalt
Frost free means the freezer brings it's air temp up to above freezing to melt the ice
forest edge
Frost free means the freezer brings it's air temp up to above freezing to melt t...
it's one degree if that. setting a freezer anymore than below 0 is generally not a good idea
hushed basalt
?
forest edge
the frost freeze aspect, which most are just by standard even if it's not listed
atleast here
hushed basalt
Chest freezers generally wont be
Why would you not want a freezer as cold as possible?
forest edge
here almost all chest freezers have the heating for frost freeze
not sure about upright freezers tho
hushed basalt
Uprights would generally be frost free
forest edge
yea normal fridge/freezer uprights I don't think have them but chest freezers is where I see it
I have a chest frrezer with it
hushed basalt
What I want in a chest freezer is deep cold for long term storage
Which means getting food as cold as possible as quickly as possible
forest edge
uh
hushed basalt
I think mine is set to -22 degrees
forest edge
food is gonna last frozen regardless.. don't need deep space cold lol
deft pewter
-22 celsius? ๐ฎ
hushed basalt
Oui
deft pewter
That's colder than most industrial freezers. Restaurants hold food between -18 and -21.
hushed basalt
There's a reason food storage charts often show two different time periods for "freezer" vs "deep freezer"
deft pewter
-18 is plenty cold enough for home stuff.
forest edge
I wonder how freezers last in the outback with your temps.. you must go through them often lol
hushed basalt
It's around 20 I'd have to check again
I have to read it with my thermometer since there's no display
forest edge
I never seen a chart for a freezer.. wtf you all doing down there?
I could see something maybe for ice cream vs meat lol
deft pewter
But what about bacon ice cream?
forest edge
thats not real bacon
midnight adder
when i worked at a cafe we had our freezers at -25
forest edge
that blob opera thing is kind of funny. somehow makes me picture atx trying to sing
molten osprey
I ordered a zigbee stick from that German guy. Almost a week later, still heard nothing in terms of tracking number or shipment. Starting to get annoyed.
Also ... there is such a thing as bacon ice cream?
subtle pasture
There is. There's also garlic ice cream
tidal bronze
Garlic ice cream is best here https://thestinkingrose.com/bh/menu2.html ๐
burnt cave
wew
just spent the last several hours jailbreaking my kindle
now I can finally read PDFs without going insane
cedar chasm
What's that like? Does it explode Kindle store functionality?
last cedar
Frost free freezers are terrible for food
I believeit was some sort of dehumidifying technology so the water in the air doesn't freeze, but I could be wrong. All I know is that it is cold in there and we get frost on the food too. Looking forward to moving
burnt cave
lets you install arbitrary software
you can technically keep all kindle functionality but if you get an update it'll unjailbreak itself
can also do some stuff like replace the screensaver image
biggest selling point though is KOReader, which works very well for PDFs
at least for me
@cedar chasm ping 4 u
ah fuck i forgot it was DST tonight
hushed basalt
Laughs in no DST state
burnt cave
AZ?
burnt cave
you have dangerous wildlife though
like that plant that if you touch it it hurts so bad you wanna off yourself
hushed basalt
Lol I'm pretty sure the northern hemisphere has most of the deadliest plants by a long shot
And all the man eating animals
cedar chasm
you can technically keep all kindle functionality but if you get an update it'll...
Figures, thanks :)
burnt cave
I don't intend to use amazon store so I just keep it in airplane mode and load everything via USB
hushed basalt
I will need to buy some tablets for wall mounting in my new house
Fire tablets are grey market imports though
Might just be easier to buy a cheap samsung tablet
cedar chasm
there's not many man eating animals left in the USA
Not many rodent eating animals left either, which apparently is why Lyme disease is a big thing
burnt cave
depending on what exactly you need it to do
in this scenario the long support life is prob the biggest selling point
@hushed basalt https://www.pine64.org/pinetab/
cedar chasm
In terms of tabs for wallmounting; spare a thought for the environment and pick up some used ones :) requirement is that there is a Web browser, so options should be plentiful
#the-water-cooler cares
Trademark