@unkempt sage We have multiple clients that fail-over to the cloud, which means a complete copy of their on-prem infra replicated to Azure or AWS
#the-water-cooler
subtle pasture
They can be back online in minutes, even if their on-prem offices burn to the ground
unkempt sage
i completley see thepoint of on-prem. i also completley see point of cloud, am stuck in a morass of "but you can do both with this easy to sue addon" (aka shitfest that is NOT easy, nor USEFUL)
clear ferry
I think I've had.... Close to two dozen different customers try to implement storage spaces the last 8 years, in all shapes and sizes, noone is still running it
Hybrid cloud is the future
subtle pasture
@clear ferry So...why aren't they running it?
unkempt sage
storage-spaces = crapware, = promises by marketing/sales, doesnt ACTUALLY do what people actaully need
subtle pasture
I've had zero issues with Storage Spaces deployments... what are y'all running into, exactly?
clear ferry
And Microsoft refuses to actually tell customers their setup is supported, which is great
Customers just want a solution that works and gives them five nines or more, and the vendor takes responsibility
subtle pasture
Right... I dunno how you get any more "just works" than Storage Spaces Direct...
You slide in a new blade server, the storage auto-pools, done...
clear ferry
It might work like that now, it did not in the past
subtle pasture
It's probably the simplest network raid/pooling system I've ever used
clear ferry
And customers won't touch something that burned them before
So you have a full PFC enabled network stack between all nodes? With rdma running?
Cross site even
subtle pasture
Haven't had to make a single cluster span multiple sites, but yes the first two
gusty wraith
can't trust m$ anymore after the shit i've seen with hyper-v 😄
gusty wraith
mem leaks on the management service
velvet horizonBOT
subtle pasture
I mean, that's every hypervisor at some point... ESX / ESXi, Openstack, Hyper-V, KVM...
They've literally all had to have memory leaks patched... or worse...
ESXi / vCenter just had a nasty root exploit
gusty wraith
yeah but never had those issues with vmware...ever
subtle pasture
So I guess you can't trust anyone. lol
unkempt sage
dammit, it wasnt a code wall, it was a well (ish) reasoned argument against CTO level mgmt
subtle pasture
Direct? Uh... you've never heard of a lateral attack?
SalesBro opens an attachment, boom, root shell into vCenter
You should patch regardless...
gusty wraith
whoever connects his mgmt directly to the campus network deserves to get fired asap
subtle pasture
That would be 99% of SMB clients
And they refuse to pay to fix it
Ask me how I know...
gusty wraith
i always tell to decrease the attack vectors instead of smearing AV all over the devices for example
subtle pasture
Yeah, same, they won't pay for the massive project required to set up VLANs, routing, and ACLs
gusty wraith
yup...sadly
subtle pasture
And for SMB clients, it often requires new hardware
gusty wraith
better pay some random snake oil vendor
subtle pasture
Regardless... nobody is perfect. Root exploits and memory leaks everywhere...
vCenter 7 will still bend over and eat its own ass eventually if you don't reconfigure it. The default settings ensure that logging fills up its root partition and causes the whole thing to crash (eventually)
That's been a problem since the beginning of time
gusty wraith
that's true...shit gets nastier every day. things we never thought would be possible are now turning into CVEs on a daily basis
subtle pasture
Oh, and don't forget all the people running virtualized firewall/routers...
They have an ESXi host connected directly to WAN...
That's fun to secure
gusty wraith
that's why there are people who actually learn and practice to set up such systems.... but the random dude with nice vocabulary and trustworthy appearance might not know the whole truth but gets the contract anyways
it's always fun and games until a crypto trojan enters the realm 😄
subtle pasture
Actually... my previous employer used virtualized Untangle as their firewall and router... shit, they're probably 100% open to that root exploit
Assuming they're still running VMWare's stack. I haven't worked there in like 6 years
gusty wraith
yeah like i said...never put core infra on the edge....hypervisors should never, ever run on networks that might be exploited easily
subtle pasture
Yeah, there's a reason I went and bought physical hardware to run pfSense, even though everyone and their mom told me to virtualize it...
gusty wraith
and stuff gets interesting now with virtualized fabrics
subtle pasture
Though one of the biggest reasons to make it physical was so that my entire virtualized infra could shit the bed, and internet would stay up
gusty wraith
now, imagine, some numpty says he could save money by virtualizing not only the core network but also the SAN not thinking about the hypervisor that runs the stuff which is sitting pants down on the wan
subtle pasture
I've seen it, yeah
gusty wraith
yeah same reason i bought myself a mikrotik and ut the (expensive) server into the lab at work
Ha runs on a rpi now....went down from 120w to say 10-15w
and i do love a proper swearing session with iptables 😄
when even the cat leaves the room because it's getting too loud you know shit's not working as expected 😄
i wonder what crazy stuff i'll see as soon as i receive some contracts but right now it's certification time.... have to do ccna, dell associate and prof. in order to receive "the good stuff"
things no previous employer was willing to pay... now this one requires it and pays it. what should i say...
subtle pasture
What's annoying is my servers, the ones I built, are dead silent
It's the damn Synology NAS that's loud AF
subtle pasture
Synology RS2414RP+
2U, 12 bay, dual PSU
gusty wraith
uh oh..i know that thing
subtle pasture
It doesn't have the CPU fault, don't worry
subtle pasture
Yeah, it's a tank that'll run forever, pretty much
gusty wraith
but effing slow on the rebuild
subtle pasture
That's mostly due to the default memory configuration...
Adding a second stick of RAM makes a huge difference to rebuild times
gusty wraith
yeah but the backplane is quite slow... i had the 8gig versions i guess... 2 of them as a HA cluster
subtle pasture
A big reason for that is because Synology DSM automatically enables memory compression if you have a nas with less than 4GB of RAM installed, and memory compression steals a ton of CPU cycles. Add RAM, get CPU performance. lol
gusty wraith
nah. bs...4gig
subtle pasture
I haven't really had to push the backplane, mostly because the NAS is limited to 4x 1gbps NICs
The most load it sees is when NFS 4 (multipathed) hits it across multiple links
gusty wraith
i never reached more than 300mb/s when rebuilding...dunno why and since it was used as an archive it never was an issue if it took days to sync its disks. second copy was always available, being an HA
subtle pasture
Also, Synology needs to hurry up and release some USB 3.0 NICs for their NAS's...
QNAP already did it
gusty wraith
well - network sync is another thing... i wish those devices had 10g links
subtle pasture
You can slap a 5gbps NIC on any QNAP NAS because they have an official USB 3.0 NIC
subtle pasture
And people have already custom-compiled NIC drivers for Synology DSM and proven that USB NICs work fine... including the QNAP NIC
But Synology seems to have no interest in it
gusty wraith
but...you know...synology is not targeted at data center-esque applications anyways
subtle pasture
Tell that to their high-end full-SSD shelf units...
gusty wraith
no game for purestorage...sorry
subtle pasture
I've seen these deployed for Dynamics AX SQL server cluster storage: https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/FS6400
Screaming fast 🤷♀️
Also one of the few physical SQL clusters we've had to set up
Microsoft Dynamics AX is a beast
It's a crime it doesn't come standard with 40gbps NICs, because it can absolutely max them out once installed
gusty wraith
that's a shame indeed
subtle pasture
At least it has two PCIe slots for additional NICs 😛
gusty wraith
maybe i'll take a deep dive into netapp and pure some day... i know those things are behemoths
but 6-figure flavored
would like to see a switch glowing red trying to keep up with the data flow
that'll be a display to remember
anyways...need a nap now... brain requires immediate maintenance downtime 😄
subtle pasture
Unrelated: Time for new keycaps...
They make these by taking clear plastic keyscaps, dipping them in black paint, then laser-etching the legends (burns away the paint)
Apparently my fingernails are rough on the edges of the keycaps...
I wonder if anyone makes true double-shot keycaps for LED-backlit boards 🤔
wanton drum
Thx for clues and other help with my MQTT broker issue, most especially to cogneato, who walked me through the correct configuration, as opposed to the mess I'd made with advice from random Google searches. I have my devices back! 🙂
hushed basalt
They make these by taking clear plastic keyscaps, dipping them in black paint, t...
Get black keycaps and laser etch the letters out completely
Then sell for profit
subtle pasture
That would probably get gross fast...
Also, you can't actually do that for a lot of letters
hushed basalt
That's not the attitude that put us on the moon
subtle pasture
Anything with a closed loop would be illegible
hushed basalt
I just don't think your values align with LaserEtchedBlackKeyCapsPtyLtd
I'm afraid I'm going to have to let you go
subtle pasture
You're right, my values don't align with an impossible product 😄
Good luck selling nothing
hushed basalt
Please return company property to HR on your way out
subtle pasture
Lol, company property...
At my current workplace, I've purchased so much of my own equipment, I'd have to ask the company to return my property
hushed basalt
Also you agreed to a non compete by starting this conversation so you won't be able to work anywhere in the Solar region for 46 years
subtle pasture
Bought my own keyboard and mouse because the only ones they'd provide were total dogshit
Non-competes like that don't actually hold up in court, at least not in my state 😄
hushed basalt
I need a keyboard
I was thinking moonlander
Although carrying a $500 keyboard in my backpack might be a bit dicey
clear ferry
winter wren
morning
quasi oracle
morning
winter wren
somebody throw me a shovel. need to find out my car in the snow
clear ferry
We had bare roads yesterday
winter wren
uh...bare naked
clear ferry
winter wren
untill driving...i hope to find the car :)))
low harness
Facebook just let me know that eight years ago today I stipulated the following
If a task requiring the time
tto complete shall be completedNtimes, but can be automated such that it requires the timet'to complete it's worth spending the timeT=f*N*(t-t')to do so, wherefin (number > 0) is your Nerd Factor.
Thomas general theorem of automation.
Not valid for very largeN,t'which does not require monitoring or presence, or in proximity to deadlines/finals week when the behavior ofTgrows chaotic.
clear ferry
something funky happened to my gnome desktop after a recent 21.04 update of ubuntu, clicking on windows don't change the focus as intended, and sometimes it select the window behind 😄
interesting bug
apparently alt+tab has stopped working as intended also, and just switches between the two latest windows
winter wren
so...don't dare to update again :))
dusky plank
how can a page/domain load successfully (cert is valid, https:443) but have a ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID on websocket connections?? how??
clear ferry
Some strange SAN issue @dusky plank ?
digital flame
nice read for ESP8266 users and pin out at boot
https://rabbithole.wwwdotorg.org/2017/03/28/esp8266-gpio.html
dusky plank
ok, the ws connection got interrupted by a proxy based on sni redirects which was not configured to proxy that domain - so they ended up on a different server... holy moly that is some debugging hell
forest edge
that blog liked to used the term "shoot yourself in the foot" which I think is a bit extreme
low harness
Know what i love? How iPhones connected to a computer via USB won't take charge all night if you don't unlock it and say that you "trust" this device. That's a great design decision.
dusky plank
it's a security feature, not so worth it for every day use but can help you get your data protected in case of loss
low harness
Yes, but the USB connecton has two distinct uses. Why can't it charge without allowing data to be sent and received?
That actually has to opposite effect, because you have to trust a potentially unsafe computer even if all you need is to top up your battery.
lapis cipher
it says "i" so again not surprised
dusky plank
no because assuming you lost your device a foreigner has only limited tries to guess your phone code (beneath those time paddings after failed tries)....
say he could charge it - it's theoretically unlinimited. If the connection is unsafe it's not advised to charge there at all, as stated by the quesion "do you want to trust this device?"
low harness
But charging with a charger is no problem
clever mortar
I miss the old micro USB standard where you could have a charge only cable
clear ferry
Know what i love? How iPhones connected to a computer via USB won't take charge ...
When did apple ever make good choices ?
low harness
Didn't they fire Steve Jobs once?
flat marsh
I’m trying to find a way of connecting my home heating to HA, but everything seems to need an account on somebody else’s server. Does anybody have any recommendations on kit that doesn’t want to know everything about me?
flat marsh
OK Thanks. I’ll try there.
lapis cipher
How many pukes i get by mentioning..... Jenkins
dusky plank
much love for windows handling tooltips ❤️ (this one comes from vstudio which is long gone in background, still shining bright upgront)
lapis cipher
must love the escaping (ffs...)
fleet cairn
hey guys - cant find the real channel to ask tbh - its not a fully related ha topic - but it fits 😄
--> what secure (and maybe fast) public dns you can recommended? 🙂
swift niche
Where do I ask about the "This issue has been automatically marked as stale because it has not had recent activity. It will be closed if no further activity occurs. Thank you for your contributions" Why would the issue be closed if it was never fixed?
lapis cipher
Where do I ask about the "This issue has been automatically marked as stale beca...
Without knowing the issue its hard to comment, not all requests can ever be fulfilled
dusky plank
you are more than 1.600km north of me , what do you expect? we have snow the whole next week...
lapis cipher
its also stale since it does not gather much or any interest from any others
deft pewter
To expand upon that a little... it got no more interest from other people claiming to have the issue (suggesting it's not a big deal) and no interest from any develop willing to spend time investigating and fixing it. Better to close issues like that down rather than have thousands of stale issues open - makes for easier management.
clear ferry
Reminds me
I need to find time to get around to my GitHub issues
Maybe next week
Close all my issues @deft pewter
deft pewter
git gud --scrub
clear ferry
Well, I've done my one good deed for 2021
Helped an old man get into his car when his fob was dead
noble pivot
Helped an old man get into his car when his fob was dead
Just smashed the window for him right ?
noble pivot
Ha Ha, my car was made last century 🙂
clear ferry
Not sure when they started hiding them, my 2001 A8 had it visible, the 2007 A3 did not
So somewhere between those
deft pewter
Or taught him that every modern car has a hidden keyhole
I definitely haven't stood around for 10 minutes messing with my dead key fob before realising it also has a pop-out key. Nope. Not me.
last cedar
Your car has a key?
clear ferry
dusky plank
lapis cipher
lets not paste any pics for a while, ok? My internet is struggling...
clear ferry
What is this, internet from the 80s
lapis cipher
Almost latest mobile technology!
clear ferry
I should print you some faster internet
lapis cipher
Or maybe its your superwidescreen 16k printer stream that is eating the capacity
clever mortar
I was initially thinking damn that's an awesome ping... then I realised it's not ping 😄
swift niche
To expand upon that a little... it got no more interest from other people claimi...
to expand upon that a little... it got no more interest from other people claiming to have the issue (suggesting it's not a big deal) and no interest from any develop willing to spend time investigating and fixing it. Many users are having issues, i.e booting from usb with SSD on OS above 5.4. Closing it does not solve anything. The current work around is not update the OS. Suggesting this is not a big deal is not true. It is for a lot of people
clever mortar
Then people need to add supporting information to keep it alive...
Stale means it hasn't been touched in a long time
swift niche
What supporting info is needed?
clever mortar
I don't run HAOS, but that's how tickets work - if they're abandoned they get closed
clever mortar
And people need to provide them for the current version
swift niche
So you are saying to update each time and post the logs to the original issue?
clever mortar
Well, something needs to be done to keep it alive. Showing it still impacts the current version is a useful something.
swift niche
I will continue to do this. My issue again is when the pi freezes there has not been any useful information in the logs. Stefan has commented on mine as well as many others. Not sure what to try next.
I have tried the recommend split system sd to boot and SSD for everything else and this exhibits the same "freeze issue".
clever mortar
Well, .... #330990055533576204 is where to discuss that further 😉
deft pewter
We're getting well into support territory here.
cedar chasm
General PI-comment, my experience is that freezes are related to there not being enough power
swift niche
I have
cedar chasm
proper psu or gtfo-situation
swift niche
They are not a Power issue.
cedar chasm
That's good then
swift niche
I wish it was as this is an easy (and cheap) fix
clever mortar
Well, learned something today... Dyn was bought by Oracle, and the dynamic DNS services are being killed
So glad I stopped using them years ago
lapis cipher
Oh, haven't they killed everything they've ever purchased?
clever mortar
Pretty much
hushed basalt
cedar chasm
Top-row pooches haven't had a day of adversity in their lives, bottom-left is a hungry fighter and bottom-right has the discipline.
noble pivot
So glad I stopped using them years ago
What do you use now? I use route 53.
clever mortar
Also Route53
deft pewter
Route53 and that script you recommended are awesome. Makes spinning up a new service on my home server a doddle.
All the benefits of dynamic DNS, none of the bullshit that comes with the 'free' providers.
hearty depot
nice acronym
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/PICNIC#English
deft pewter
You're a PICNIC.
hearty depot
script you recommended ? tell me more
deft pewter
It creates a Lambda function on your AWS account that handles DDNS formatted requests and updates your DNS records in Route53. Then you set up ddclient on your server to point at that Lambda.
You can tweak the polling frequency and stuff but basically it'll watch for your external IP changing (or new subdomains being added to the config) and sort your records for you.
hearty depot
still using cloudflare for my dns, the API is mostly awesome, but it pisses me off that I cant limit tokens to subdomains. Maybe worth brining the reccords back to amazon after I dont use most of the cloudflare services anymore
but the workers are quite fun
deft pewter
They're like Lambdas, right? Lightweight functions that run in the cloud?
hearty depot
yep "serverless"
Pricing changed so you can now use the database for free too.
only built simple text prompts and autorisation untill now
deft pewter
I'm getting so annoyed at work lately. They refuse to put in the time to break our monolith up into true serverless apps and complain when things take ages to develop... 🤦♂️
fallow fox
Does ayone know if Flux Dashboards / cells can be shared/exported and embedded in HA?
Or if they can be accessed via panel iframe?
noble pivot
It creates a Lambda function on your AWS account that handles DDNS formatted req...
Thats sound complicated. I have a script that runs internally that finds your current external IP and does a dns lookup on the domain. If the two dont match it updates route 53 with the new ip it just got.
deft pewter
Sure, there are probably more efficient ways to build it... but I didn't have to build anything 😄
deft pewter
Stuff like that doesn't just change
You're not wrong... I'm going to start applying more pressure and see if they listen. If not, it'll be another reason to move.
subtle pasture
Well, learned something today... Dyn was bought by Oracle, and the dynamic DNS s...
Yeah, I switched to Cloudflare for dynamic DNS ages ago
last cedar
You're not wrong... I'm going to start applying more pressure and see if they li...
You sell yourself for 8 hours a day. Don't take less than you are worth, either finacially, or when it comes to your health. If they are frustrating you, try and get out.
deft pewter
Yeah, the 8 hours a day is a big deal. They're moving offices and my commute's longer when we go back...
I'm not 'working' for 10 hours a day if they're only going to pay me for 8 of them.
last cedar
Oooof, yeah, not great
Yeah exactly
Evaluate all your options and do what is best for you
We are all disposable.
(to them)
deft pewter
I'm actually a little surprised by their reaction. I'm one of their better developers and I told them I'd rather leave than commute. They didn't try to stop me...
They're so stubborn about going into offices.
last cedar
My last 2 jobs have been hell.
Sounds like it will be their loss. Make sure to ask for at least 10% more wage at future interviews btw :)
deft pewter
I'm even madder today. I just heard they're considering hiring a remote worker to fill a long-standing vacancy...
Yet they won't let me go remote. FML
last dirge
"hey, that thing we've had you working on designing conceptually for two weeks now, we've decided that we need to hack a solution in ASAP"
@deft pewter "I'd like to apply for that remote job"
deft pewter
It's for a QA, else I'd be tempted
last dirge
assure that quality, homie
clear ferry
Lol y'all and your sucky management
lapis cipher
Yeah, just state your interest as that hints the value of remote work for you enough you're ready to apply for a position change
clever mortar
People don't quit jobs, they quit management
clever mortar
🤣
lapis cipher
i would hate to work for myself as i would hate my boss.. 😄
clear ferry
The reason I quit working in state was definitely management
Right now I'm chums with all managers 4 levels above me, that might be why I'm comfortable 
Have I become the Harvard cunt, without actually going to Harvard
deft pewter
Hmm... minus the Harvard bit? Yep, you're a cunt.
clear ferry
Hmm... minus the Harvard bit? Yep, you're a cunt.
deft pewter
Raccoons been stealing your cabling again.
midnight adder
damn rare earth metals and it's value
clever mortar
Happily since I got FTTP I haven't had to worry about upload or download speeds
midnight adder
i'm on the preorder list for starlink so hopefully
such trees falling on phone lines won't trouble my dsl for much longer
clever mortar
My DSL sucked, it was 4 Mb/s down in theory, and less in reality - 2 Mb/s on a bad day
Going to "80" Mb/s FTTC got me speeds of around 40-45 Mb/s
midnight adder
technically it's vdsl but i have 2.6kM of copper
lapis cipher
reckon something broke here?
No, it didn't break per se, it just got slow, down to 0.3 Mbps today
lapis cipher
Starlink only next year but on the queue as well thought i really hope things improve before that
midnight adder
i'm due mid to end 2021
clever mortar
I had fibre/cable "coming in the next quarter" for about three or four years
midnight adder
i've got 'no plans to bring fiber to your area'
clever mortar
I need to check now and see when we got the notification about them cabling up our street for cable broadband/TV...
midnight adder
i got a quote to run it and it was eye watering and a 4 year contract
clever mortar
There we go, late 2017 we got the notification they'd be with us within 6 months
midnight adder
was something like £6000 survey, consultation fee
clever mortar
midnight adder
then install £4000 install, then £400/month for four years minimum
clever mortar
Yeah, a colleague has a pole on the FTTP rollout just outside their house, but getting FTTP to it has been delayed and delayed and delayed.... they'd get it if they paid for the thing, but like you, the costs are "not cheap"
lapis cipher
I think i'll just buy bunch of harddrives and drive to the office and download the latest internet with the company's fast connection and drive back home to enjoy latest news and shit
midnight adder
they don't have to dig up the roads. just shoot it threw the existing conduit
how hard can it be?
grins
pulls out the pliers
clever mortar
We're talking Openreach.... the lot who couldn't activate broadband on my line because the duct was blocked
Funny, I was using that copper pair to talk to them on the phone...
midnight adder
to be fair i'm looking forward to not giving openreach any more money
clever mortar
Four months of constant back and fore before we got a date agreed, and then finally activated
midnight adder
how many mb you up too?
midnight adder
actual or predicted?
clever mortar
Predicted. Actual is that or a tiny bit higher usually
midnight adder
interesting
clever mortar
FTTP gives you what you're supposed to get, not the crap you get with DSL or FTTC
midnight adder
lot less to go wrong with glass
clever mortar
Yeah, my biggest problems are usually the OpenReach bit - between me and my ISP handoff
midnight adder
i have been having microstutters for years, as in disconnections that last less than a second, i've given up
been on now for three years
clever mortar
Yeah, I got a few seconds of disconnect, and BT eventually admitted they wouldn't investigate because it was below their threshold
Switched ISP, put them on the case, problem sorted within 2 weeks
midnight adder
i had them run a new line between my property and the junction box outside
fixed 50% of it
clever mortar
Mine turned out to be exchange side - either the port or the card, not sure which
midnight adder
AA ISP gave them a kick up the rear
clever mortar
Yeah, AA are one of the good ones
midnight adder
to give the DSL it's fair credit, for a twisted pair of unshielded cables it does remarkably well
we have an exceptional RF rich enviornment
especially in the frequency they operate in
clever mortar
At least with the supposed switch off of copper that'll go away
deft pewter
When's that happening? 2035 or so?
midnight adder
yeah right
midnight adder
should save them a lot of money in maintenance and electricity
clever mortar
last cedar
What about fiber though. Need to polish the ends on it all the time
And remove raccoons who might nibble on it
clever mortar
We can pay them to polish it instead
last cedar
I was joking around at work about getting a house inspection, and the house being called unsafe due to a raccoon infestation, and me buying it and living happily ever after
But yeah, fiber internet to home is great, so little isp bullshit
midnight adder
the likelyhood of full coverage fttp by 2027 is nearly 0%
my dad still literally cannot get fttc
and he's not even that rural
last cedar
I was talking about a civilised non tea drinking country :)
Of course it won't happen in England
My old job sell microwave links now, because openreach are so crap at rolling it out
midnight adder
i mean i'm essentially getting a microwave link through starlink
i had an awesome 5ghz link 100mbps internet connection, silly neighbours complained
apparently this is obstructing peoples view
clever mortar
Should have put a flag on it, or made it a Ham mast... 😛
midnight adder
i don't own this property, if i did i'd have the deed on it made much less vague
hearty depot
hehe, my expirience working with customers
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
- Rich Cook
burnt cave
wow amazing they're passing an amendment to my state's constitution that will prevent the government from legalizing weed
midnight adder
which state?
burnt cave
TN
midnight adder
links?
burnt cave
midnight adder
and if it changes in federal govt?
burnt cave
and of course if you go to the PAC website he's receiving kickbacks from CoreCivic which is the private prison industry here
will still be illegal here
midnight adder
i never did understand why such people were so against taxes and love giving money to criminals
ah the war on drugs
burnt cave
they'd rather get their piddly donations from PACs than actually do what their constituents want
congrats to drugs for winning the war on drugs
midnight adder
it's a booming industry
hearty depot
well, just imagne the amount of mony you make with jails
burnt cave
imagine the bigger amount of money you make with weed
hearty depot
Its so nice that you dont have a coruption problem as long as you can call it lobbyism
yea.. peanuts
burnt cave
they aren't even being corrupt properly, legalize that shit and load it up with red tape, profit
just look at NJ, that's what they did
midnight adder
here it's legally nationwide for medical use, a whole 4 people have managed to get it legally
hearty depot
you just have to look into Rep. Brandon Ogles of Franklin pockets 😉
hushed basalt
deft pewter
This one feels like my place lately:
vagrant yew
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMDuBryh6d3/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link watch this with sound 😋 🤣
hushed basalt
Anyone with double brick walls ever had them retrofitted with insulation?
forest edge
no many of us don't live in the stone age
chilly nymph
Is 2021 over yet
molten osprey
So, last week I was trying to get Docker running on a diskless Raspberry Pi 4 with rootfs mounted over NFS. And it wasn't working.
Cause, it seems, was the "Docker convenience script" which is how Raspbian users are supposed to install Docker.
Using wget and manually installing .deb files using dpkg, it works just fine.
it seems
I know you were all full of anticipation on this report, so I thought I'd share 😉
no SD card, no SSD
molten osprey
I like using Pi's ... they're cheap and, as long as you stay away from SD cards, pretty reliable
last cedar
Mine has been ok on an sd card
I realise it will shit the bed at any second but it still works atm
molten osprey
once it does .... NFS mount! 🙂
molten osprey
Once the new MacBook Pro's are out, I'm moving this Mac mini over to Proxmox duty
last cedar
Sounds like a plan
clear ferry
clear ferry
Ah, Milan servers are launching
Wonder if they will be any more popular than Rome
My guess is, minimal
But the shitkids will still rub it out over the core numbers
hearty depot
Milan servers?
echo osprey
clear ferry
@hearty depot AMD bullcrap
great for HPC, makes little sense for other platforms
but shitkids will fap over those cores
forest edge
Litter-robot
this, best automatic litter box ever so far
there is an HA integration for it too
subtle pasture
Litter-robot
They need to make an extra-large version so my cat can fit his fat ass inside it...
clear ferry
Don't be so mean to your girlfriend :(
subtle pasture
None of my girlfriends were cats, last time I checked...
clear ferry
subtle pasture
Gotta love incognito mode
My parents were weird about snooping through my room back when I was living with them... they absolutely did it, but I have no idea wtf they were looking for
Like, they even offered to let me drink / smoke weed with them on numerous occasions (well before I was 21), so I had zero reason to hide a stash of any kind of illicit substance
clear ferry
They were worried if you were into furry milf hentai
subtle pasture
Given how homophobic / transphobic they turned out to be... maybe they were looking for my pr0n stash 🤷♀️
hushed basalt
hearty depot
lol, just realised that all the files used for components are writeable 
🐛
clear ferry
chmod -r 777 /
hearty depot
hearty depot
awww, good for you 😄
hearty depot
clear ferry
clear ferry
what are good keyboards these days ? not interested in some designer hipster keyboards, adhd clickety clackety or super tiny scriptkiddie ones
hushed basalt
Split tilt tent
This is the way
Hands are not made to be side by side and straight
clear ferry
I miss my old Microsoft Natural Elite Pro
so that is my gold standard
ooooh they have a new version it seems
the 4000 sucks, and the sculpt is shit
that looks like the old one
Think I found it in nordic too
the english us is shite, with their tiny enter key, can't have any of that
last cedar
Mechanical browns are the gold standard, IMO
But then again, I collect trash, so
Ymmv
lapis cipher
groundhog day, we just had the keyboard discussion
or is it a daily topic, yesterday was network rant, today kbd, what's up for tomorrow?-)
cedar chasm
Might as well keep talking about keyboards, better than anything in the news
lapis cipher
try not to follow much news since i rarely get anything positive out from those, same C numbers and shit each day
funny enough i went to store today and tried out couple of keyboards (actually, had to touch all of them (and wash hands after that)).. 🙂
cedar chasm
If anyone wants to weeb it up later, I'm going to watch Akira (1988) later, after playing a stage of SD Gundam G Generation on the switch.
Could discuss ideal waifus/hasbandos/nekomimis
lapis cipher
no idea if they were good or not but many where 100-150 eur. I want backlit next round, love it on the laptop
hearty depot
Because that's so perfect it's a little uncanny
Nope, that was already a resident of my meme folder
midnight adder
Mechanical browns are the gold standard, IMO
i have the ibm model m, and it's the best
i admit it's not great for gaming
it installs the ubuntu default front end
lofty lintel
everything failed
deft pewter
Backlit keyboards? 🤢
midnight adder
rgb can die in a firey fire
lofty lintel
Backlit keyboards? 🤢
yepp iam my gaming laptop
deft pewter
Gaming laptops? 🤢
midnight adder
isn't that just a marketing term?
lofty lintel
Gaming laptops? 🤢
way better than normal laptops
midnight adder
is there a difference ?
lofty lintel
yesssssss alot
midnight adder
an actual difference
deft pewter
Gimme a PC for gaming. And a solid case with no glass panels. No lights. Nothing. Plain black.
lofty lintel
overclocked processors
lofty lintel
Gimme a PC for gaming. And a solid case with no glass panels. No lights. Nothing...
hhahah
checkout hp gaming series
midnight adder
overclocked processors
i underclock mine for longer life and less heat output
less AC bill
lofty lintel
i underclock mine for longer life and less heat output
i modified my lptop thermals
soo now less heating machine
last cedar
i have the ibm model m, and it's the best
Should have kept my parents
deft pewter
ps1? 
last cedar
Worst descisoon ever to get rid of it
midnight adder
mine has ps2, though all my pcs have ps2 onboard so
last cedar
ps1? <:smart:723251852761628792>
Yes
midnight adder
Worst descisoon ever to get rid of it
could have sold it for hundreds now anyway
last cedar
Hehe
midnight adder
grins
deft pewter
I keep seeing really pretty 60%/80% mechanical keyboards... then I see the price and I close the tab.
midnight adder
money, so 2019
deft pewter
Some of the keycap sets are amazing:
But then it's like... $200 for the base and another $60-100 for the caps.
midnight adder
https://tenor.com/view/furry-gif-4903957
remind me to show you my seedlings
last cedar
I have a g710+
midnight adder
yeesh
midnight adder
do the caps do anything except look cool
deft pewter
I have a g710+
Looks decent but I'd hate the macro keys. I went for the Corsair K70. Similar layout minus the macros.
I already feel like this is too big for my desk, which is why the 60%/80% stuff is appealing.
deft pewter
do the caps do anything except look `cool`
It's more that you can customise the entire thing. Pick a keyboard, switches and caps that suit you, switch them out at will.
midnight adder
i need a bigger desk
deft pewter
If you get the off-the-shelf stuff by bigger brands, it's cheaper but more limiting.
midnight adder
a very low priority
deft pewter
I've been happy with the K70 but it's huge.
Bigger desks? Mine's 2m... I just have too much crap on it 😄
deft pewter
34in ultrawide in landscape, second monitor in portrait, bookshelf speakers, MBP, plans, random electronics... 😄
deft pewter
80% seems a nice balance. Who even uses the numpad? But I wouldn't want to lose my F keys.
deft pewter
On the ultrawide? Never done the math. It's 3440x1440
midnight adder
which bookshelf speakers you got out of interest
deft pewter
Edifier something. 1280?
midnight adder
good brand, good sound?
deft pewter
This is my monitor. Built-in KVM, webcam, mic. I wanted to be able to switch seamlessly between MBP and my PC. https://www.philips.co.uk/c-p/346P1CRH_00/brilliance-curved-ultrawide-lcd-monitor-with-usb-c
Yeah, sound is great. Really surprising for a low-end set. Replaced a 16 year old surround sound kit that was taking up too much space.
deft pewter
Aye. Didn't have the rear satellites behind me though, so it was like listening to 2.1 😂
deft pewter
PITA getting the sound right too, Windows 10 made it harder because they wanted to sell that shitty Dolby add-on.
It was amazing in Win 7 and 8.
midnight adder
never paid for that when i used win10
deft pewter
It's a massive con. Losing out on basic functionality like sound channels just because you were forced to upgrade your OS... wtf?
I have a Creative Labs card, so it's not like I don't have adequate hardware.
midnight adder
sucky
subtle pasture
Hands are not made to be side by side and straight
This is true, which is why I touch-type without using homerow on a normal keyboard 😋
Any keyboard is ergo when you tell homerow to go fuck itself
deft pewter
yeah i'm being annoying, ignore me
Stop it. That's my job.
hearty depot
This is my monitor. Built-in KVM, webcam, mic. I wanted to be able to switch sea...
sweet as f.
out of couriosety
Does usb C work with multiple displays?
like its cind of small xD
deft pewter
You mean like daisy chaining? I haven't tried.
subtle pasture
Depends on the USB-C port
hearty depot
plz buy another one and try it out 🤣
deft pewter
My second monitor is permanently set up to my PC, so I can leave the news or whatever on that display while I work.
hearty depot
spaceship incoming
subtle pasture
If it supports DisplayPort over USB-C, then yeah, you can chain
midnight adder
deft pewter
If someone wants to donate £500 for me to get another, I'll gladly test it
midnight adder
this always interested me
deft pewter
https://orbitouch.com/products/orbitouch-keyless-keyboard
How many words per day do you reckon you could get with that monstrosity?
midnight adder
my fingers are stiff so my 80 wpm is down to maybe 5-10 because of disability
midnight adder
How many words per day do you reckon you could get with that monstrosity?
out of the box? 3?
hearty depot
If someone wants to donate me 1719.96€ I'll gladly test it with 2x43" ones
deft pewter
Tasty:
midnight adder
if anyone wants donate me 1000+ any currency i'll happily spend it on myself
hearty depot
I would really really like this
deft pewter
Do you already have an ultrawide?
midnight adder
i've had one - i didn't get on with it
hearty depot
yep, but its bad as hell
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B01AWG5XU8/
deft pewter
I'm happy with mine but I still find I have to turn my head a little too much and that's only with 34in. 43in is nuts unless you're sitting across the room from it.
last cedar
I got a pair of yamaha monitors that need to be tested and maybe repaired. Needs the case renovating too. Thinking of stripping, filling and painting them
deft pewter
That's not really ultrawide 😂 It's just ultrashort...
midnight adder
i also used a 42" 4k standard monitor, when i was at uni
deft pewter
A colleague uses a 42in 4k TV. I think he's nuts. But it's literally a TV, so he sits across the room.
And at that distance, the extra pixel density isn't helping with text.
midnight adder
lol, with 500% scaling?
hearty depot
scaling pisses me off - why I can use 150% but not like 80
deft pewter
@last cedar want a milkshake?
last cedar
I hate those cables, no idea why they are flavour of the month
midnight adder
they are?
last cedar
I am a boring person who likes a back light
deft pewter
Coiled cables are just so untidy, despite being designed to be the opposite.
Can't just tuck them down the back, they gather up on your desk.
deft pewter
Good clean aesthetic here:
I'm on /r/mk right now. If I bought everything I liked, I'd have no house to keep it in.
deft pewter
I've done it. I've found my perfect keyboard: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/m2rule/hhkb_ansi_gmmk_iso/
midnight adder
deft pewter
Paint it black, bitches.
deft pewter
'coffee'
subtle pasture
I've done it. I've found my perfect keyboard: https://www.reddit.com/r/Mechanica...
They make a version with a number pad?
midnight adder
i use a numpad allthe time
midnight adder
maybe i'll admit to chocolate also;)
deft pewter
I can get it on Amazon UK for £70, which seems decent. Then I'd need a set of switches and caps. Amazon has a surprisingly decent selection of caps.
midnight adder
I can get it on Amazon UK for £70, which seems decent. Then I'd need a set of sw...
but are they original,or decent quality ?
subtle pasture
Numpads? 🤢
I can type IP addresses, phone numbers, dates, bank card numbers, MFA codes, and calculator input into a numpad WAY faster than the numrow
midnight adder
or fake with printing that'll rub offafter 5 presses using lead paint
deft pewter
Sure... but how many people spend enough of their time doing it that it matters? I don't.
subtle pasture
I do. Lol
deft pewter
Just personal preference 🤷♂️
midnight adder
bills
deft pewter
I hate having a keyboard nearly 40cm long.
subtle pasture
Split tented with a numpad module in the middle? 🤔
subtle pasture
Yeah, I'm not really fussed about the width of a full size keyboard
last dirge
when did recruiters start getting so pushy?
midnight adder
they are?
midnight adder
usually i had to push them
deft pewter
You aren't in demand? 😦
last dirge
I updated my profile on Dice and in the next hour had 13 phone calls and about 20 emails
kinda ridiculous
midnight adder
i've not looked for work in 5 years, i'd imagine my skillset is now vastly outdated
it's ha su repair to do the docker rebuild, yeah?
last dirge
I've done no looking in close to 7 years
deft pewter
Just imagine how useless Brian is now if you feel bad after 5 😄
clever mortar
s/brian/brain/g 😛
deft pewter
lol... finished work early for a change after putting in extra hours dealing with crap earlier in the week. Check my phone, see a bunch of activity because someone messed something up and they tried calling me several times...
It's Friday night. I'm not picking up 😄
They have something of a 'you touched it last, it's your problem' mentality. If they don't break that, how are all the other devs supposed to learn something?
last dirge
by avoiding doing as much as possible so they're not the last ones to touch it
git blame
deft pewter
Definitely feels like people avoid work 🤦♂️
I saw our director got added to the call I ignored. Let's see if they bring it up on Monday 😂
last dirge
code coverage on this project is horrid
7.5% on 44K lines
I've written every single one of those tests
my branch
code smells and security hotspots are 100% inherited and incorrectly detected as "new"
deft pewter
What tool's that? How does it figure out the 'added debt'? 🤔
last dirge
overall
sonarqube
static code analysis tool
it's got a bunch of different languages it supports
deft pewter
I'm just curious how a static analysis tool can assess technical debt. If it doesn't know how you might need to change your design, how does it know which bits makes that difficult?
Is it purely saying there's a code smell and that it adds X minutes?
subtle pasture
Every build on r/mk has that coiled cable
It's actually a retro thing
deft pewter
Retro 🤢
subtle pasture
The IBM Model M had a coiled keyboard cable, all the way back in the 80's
All of my Commodore Amiga keyboards use coiled cables, as well
deft pewter
last cedar
It's actually a retro thing
Retro can go and die somewhere in a forest. Away from me :)
subtle pasture
To be fair, coiled keyboard cables were a nice feature to have back when keyboard garages were a thing...
deft pewter
Who drives their keyboard to work? 🤔
last cedar
I have never been a fan of any coiled cable tbh
subtle pasture
Who drives their keyboard to work? 🤔
A keyboard garage is a space under a desktop form-factor computer to store the keyboard when not in use:
The Amiga 1000 had one. You can slip the keyboard entirely under the unit
deft pewter
I have a keyboard garage. It's called a desk 😄
deft pewter
Bless you
subtle pasture
@deft pewter This is before keyboard trays were even a thing you could buy. lol
Welcome to 1985
last dirge
@deft pewter yes, the rules that it follows for code smells add a certain time to repair
deft pewter
You're an old fart if you remember 1985.
last dirge
there's different severity levels to the rules
the biggest ones are cyclomatic complexity
subtle pasture
I was born in 1990, but my dad was a Commodore die-hard, so we had Amiga systems until like 1996 or so.
last dirge
which requiring test coverage usually fixes
subtle pasture
Including an Amiga 2000 Video Toaster, and an Amiga 4000 Tower
deft pewter
That's kinda clever, I guess. I've not used a tool like that. Even getting a decent code review out of someone is a challenge. Getting the business to pay for extra shit like that is a big no.
last dirge
it's free tho
deft pewter
😮
last dirge
integrates with Jenkins
deft pewter
Wonder if it integrates with Azure DevOps. I'll check it out and recommend it.
last dirge
the "branch analysis" is part of the commercial offering but since it's open source there's someone who essentially wrote that function and made it available free too
subtle pasture
There were PC bridgeboards with better specs than that O.o
last dirge
deft pewter
Noice. Thanks.
last cedar
@subtle pasture I think we got it in 92 or 93. Was 52 pounds extra to go to 2MB ram from 1MB
deft pewter
But that's a week's wages!
last dirge
lol
subtle pasture
<@209492654067548160> I think we got it in 92 or 93. Was 52 pounds extra to go t...
Heh fair. I just went down an internet search vortex trying to find the fastest x86 bridge-board that was ever made... "486" boards (386 with cache, really) @ 75MHz is about as fast as they ever got
Apparently it's faster to just install a PowerPC accelerator and emulate x86 than to run a bridgeboard.
last cedar
This was 16Mhz I think
late gate
Added another 10TB disk. Day 2 of expanding zzzzzzz
subtle pasture
What model Synology?
late gate
DS1520+
subtle pasture
Also, running SHR1 with 10TB drives? You like to live dangerously...
I'd be on SHR2 at that point, for sure
midnight adder
seagate,brave
late gate
well it survive one faulty drive so not that important
the important is backup up externally
tv shows I can redownload
subtle pasture
No, the issue is surviving the faulty drive AND not encountering a single URE while rebuilding
midnight adder
anything important or just tv?
late gate
the important is backup up daily
tv shows is not, and tv shows is the majority of usage
subtle pasture
Fair, though I think I'd burn one drive bay to save myself some time in the future re-downloading everything
my time is way more valuable than a $200 hard disk 😛
late gate
Im not such a hoarder anymore like before
when I got 1gb fiber its not really any issue
subtle pasture
I have a 1gbps connection as well, I still don't want to deal with it
late gate
I would just move forward, not redownload
subtle pasture
Also, Comcast caps to contend with...
midnight adder
i'm lucky to get 25mbp/s
late gate
a restore from remote backup will get everything up current with docker etc
so can just move on from there
past nova
late gate
do you pay pr gb?
midnight adder
moore junk @mb?
subtle pasture
Welcome to America, home of shitty ISPs
winter wren
omg omg..i wanna report missing channel ....somebody stole devices channel
past nova
moore junk @mb?
Well, it has an app - better be cloud connected 😂
midnight adder
if i go over 1tb my speed gets limited to 5mbp/s
subtle pasture
But yeah, it's actually cheaper to buy an entire second NAS than restore 20TB from the cloud, thanks to Comcast
late gate
Look at the bright side @subtle pasture you are allowed to install smart outlets yourself. Here you are in big trouble if you touch the electric
midnight adder
i was always touching the prongs on us plugs, thank god it's only 110v
subtle pasture
So yeah, one extra drive to run RAID6 rather than RAID5 is no big deal, given the alternatives >_>
late gate
yeah the US electric setup is like 1980 in Europe
I cant believe how old method the us use
midnight adder
only gfci/rcd in bathroom/kitchens
late gate
outlets, safety, wiring. everything
subtle pasture
@midnight adder That varies by state and date of installation. Newer distribution panels use central whole-home gfci
late gate
"up to code in the us" was banned in the 80s here
midnight adder
oh good
subtle pasture
When we got solar installed, they had to replace our entire distribution panel, and we now have whole-home gfci
Had to remove the gfci outlets in the kitchen and bathroom to avoid weird conflicts
midnight adder
is it one perhome or one per circuit?
subtle pasture
Per-breaker
I suppose you could install non-gfci breakers into the panel if you wanted... but why would you?
midnight adder
that said,my previous home still had fuse wire
late gate
but do you have automatic fuses, wiring in tubes in wall, seperate wires, not one lead wire
midnight adder
i do now
noble pivot
Whats gfci ?
subtle pasture
@late gate I imagine part of the reason for that is because most circuits in US homes are run at 120v, which makes everything safer at baseline
late gate
just on paper though. the US grid is 220, just grounded with N
midnight adder
ground fault current interupter
subtle pasture
@late gate I'm aware, they center-tap the transformer.
late gate
here the norm is 220V. makes everything easier
subtle pasture
But that still only exposes humans to 120v in most circumstances
midnight adder
essentially if there's an amount of current that goes to you or straiht to earth it turns off the supply
usually it's at 150ma-300ma
noble pivot
ground fault current interupter
Thx, Sounds like what in the uk would be called an rcbo (residual current breaker with overload)
subtle pasture
@noble pivot Ever seen an outlet with "RESET" and "TEST" buttons?
midnight adder
same thing different name
late gate
we just use fuses like this http://www.elektris.no/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/PB116501_web.jpg
noble pivot
we just use fuses like this http://www.elektris.no/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/PB...
RCBO 🙂
subtle pasture
That's a breaker, not a fuse...
subtle pasture
You know you're dealing with an old panel if you see actual fuses:
noble pivot
Uk will be ditching that stuff next year and going for AFDDs which I think they mandate in Germany currently.
midnight adder
give me 240v or give me death
late gate
yeah, just a stapled word
midnight adder
what does AFDD standard for?
noble pivot
Arc Fault Detection Device.
Its detects various "sparking" failures as well as earth leakage and over current.
late gate
I just wish here in Norway we are allowed to do a bit more. Like simple things like changing a dimmer to a smart dimmer. An electrician charge 100-200USD just to mount it
midnight adder
interesting
deft pewter
Not to be confused with FADD (fart air detection device)
subtle pasture
I just wish here in Norway we are allowed to do a bit more. Like simple things l...
I suppose that's why smart bulbs are a thing
deft pewter
I just wish here in Norway we are allowed to do a bit more. Like simple things l...
You can't just change them? 😮
subtle pasture
Can install them anywhere
late gate
@deft pewter illegal
noble pivot
Expensive here at the mo, but expect the price to fall a lot when they become madatory.
subtle pasture
@late gate Is it anything like Australia where you can just become your own certified electrician?
deft pewter
The UK's quite flexible. A 'competent person' can do most indoor electrics. The law is a bit vague about what makes a person competent 😄
subtle pasture
I know it's illegal for them to change their own switches as well, unless they get certified
deft pewter
I think the only bits that require certification are outdoors and wet areas.
late gate
@subtle pasture No you are actually not allowed to do your own work even if you are electrician if you are really going into the law as you cant sign for your own work.
midnight adder
#freedom
late gate
Its all lobbying
subtle pasture
...they'd have to prove you swapped the switches, though
Not sure how they'd do that
late gate
now they say attaching a washing machine need to be illegal to do yourself
just hillarious
subtle pasture
...isn't that just a plug-in appliance?
deft pewter
Haha.. because it's soooo difficult to screw a water pipe on.
subtle pasture
Right... I don't see how that stops you from plugging the cable into the wall
oh, the water line. That's easy
deft pewter
I installed our last washer dryer. Took seconds to connect... took longer to move the damned thing.
midnight adder
i installed a hvac in my home with no permission or certificationand i suvived
late gate
as I said its lobbying. plumbers and electricians are overpaid, and got all power
subtle pasture
Be thankful it's just plumbers and electricians
We have lobbies for shit like coal plant operators...
late gate
the goverment got random controls
and if they see you have done anything expect a bill of 10-20k USD
subtle pasture
How exactly would they "see" you've done something?
midnight adder
tasty
subtle pasture
Do they send inspectors to your house with blueprints periodically?
late gate
they can check the serial number. everything got manufaction date, and you need papers its installed by professional
subtle pasture
Again, who the fuck is checking?
late gate
so if they see a new outlet and you dont have papers busted
subtle pasture
Who's coming to your door and checking switch serial numbers?
late gate
yes
subtle pasture
In a private residence?
late gate
yes
midnight adder
my HOA requires me to have carpet, no hardwood floors or stone
subtle pasture
For your outlets and switches?
midnight adder
inside
late gate
yes
late gate
tax I guess
midnight adder
thakfullyi don't own it
subtle pasture
Who's paying them to visit millions of homes and inspect lightswitch serial numbers?
late gate
when you pay up to 50% tax they have to use it for something
deft pewter
Yeah, quite different to the States with their low double digit taxes and all the tax rebates 😄
subtle pasture
It's not hard to break 25% taxes, honestly
subtle pasture
At which point, set up a corporation and lock in that sweet fixed 20% corporate income tax
subtle pasture
because corporations > people in this capitalist hellscape
subtle pasture
Not hard to break 40% here... 🤷♂️
Keep in mind that our taxes are low, but our infrastructure is crumbling, schools are under-funded, and healthcare is a joke... I'll take the higher tax rate to fix all that >_>
deft pewter
Yeah, properly graduated taxes are a good thing. Those who can afford to pay should.
subtle pasture
It'll probably save me money in the end vs. paying for everything NOT covered by taxes out of my own pocket
deft pewter
Exactly
deft pewter
I just checked your tax brackets and they're crazy. Not surprised there's not enough federal funding.
We start at 20% basically as soon as we're earning full-time wages. 40% kicks in at around £50k/year.
subtle pasture
@deft pewter Except we actually collect more than enough taxes, but most of it is spent on the military
deft pewter
The glorious MIC 🎉
subtle pasture
And yeah, our tax brackets are nowhere near progressive enough
And then you can just bypass the entire progressive tax system by being a corporation...
It's not uncommon to set up an S-Corp and accept all of your income / credit / liability through that entity instead of accepting it personally, if you're making $100,000 a year or more.
The money saved on taxes can actually pay for a personal attorney to handle the re-filing of the paperwork for the s-corp that's required every year.
So the scheme literally pays for itself, at that point...
deft pewter
That's nuts
Gotta admit, I'd be tempted to do it too with all the money it'd save...
subtle pasture
What's even more nuts is an S-Corp protects your personal assets from liability... and has its own credit score
deft pewter
Between tax, NI and student loan repayments, I'm down 50% of my earnings each month.
last dirge
even better!
subtle pasture
You can open lines of credit, default on them, and even bankrupt the s-corp... with zero personal risk
subtle pasture
An LLC won't protect your personal assets as cleanly as an S-Corp does, though
last dirge
it's a "who gives a shit" at that point though
I write code and have a 1MM insurance policy
it'd be pretty fucking hard to overrun that
anyhow, you can set up a solo 401k
then pay yourself a "reasonable salary"
midnight adder
scorp?
subtle pasture
Lol, yeah, you can buy your own health insurance for your employees (you)
last dirge
and you can then have the business contribute to your solo 401k for up to 25% of your taxable wage on top of the 401k limits
subtle pasture
And since you're an employer supplying insurance to employees, there's a kickback for that too
last dirge
up to 55K/yr
subtle pasture
Welcome to the very bottom-end of "rich people finances"
Where fucky shit starts to happen
last dirge
I am not a rich person
subtle pasture
if you're using an s-corp to reduce your tax rate, you're acting like one 🤔
last dirge
there's a MASSIVE difference between top 5% and top 4%
deft pewter
Can't blame people for making the best of the available options.
last dirge
I'm a contractor
it's ridiculous to piss away money on self-employment taxation if I don't have to
subtle pasture
Ah, yeah, then might as well set up an s-corp even if you're not at the magic $100,000/year mark
or an LLC, in your case
subtle pasture
Right, so... rich-people finances it is...
last dirge
I'm not rich
I have money leftover after paying for stuff
I'm well-off
@tidal bronze is definitely rich
subtle pasture
You don't have to be the top 1% of earners to start doing finances like a rich person 😛
Also, your income is already well above average
last dirge
@last plaza is it donorcycle season there yet?
deft pewter
Above average but not obscene 🤷♂️
subtle pasture
Never said it was obscene, lol
last dirge
I usually end up paying the average US income in taxes yearly
deft pewter
There's still a detectable amount of derision though
subtle pasture
Just high enough to start taking advantage of things that are literally impossible with a lesser income
last plaza
<@!331436841817604097> is it donorcycle season there yet?
Almost
last dirge
nah, I was doing this when I was making less than 6 figures
subtle pasture
There's still a detectable amount of derision though
No?
Like, literally, no.
If there's any derision, it's for the US tax code
last plaza
I see so many folks started their bikes already. I don’t take it out unless it is 75 and above.
deft pewter
And toward anyone you're labelling as doing 'rich people finances' 🤷♂️
last dirge
I think the cap on social security earnings is a big "missed point"
subtle pasture
@deft pewter Uh, no? I'm actively advocating for taking advantage of rich people finances if you can
last dirge
like "backdoor" Roth contributions?
subtle pasture
That the contribution scheme with a double-tax break?
I'm a little disillusioned with retirement accounts. My crypto portfolio consistently outperforms my 401k 🤷♀️
last dirge
after a certain point there's no tax break
crude acorn
Gotta have a few sources of income when you retire imo
last dirge
I can't deduct crypto contributions come tax time though
subtle pasture
I can't deduct crypto contributions come tax time though
I mean, you can if you realize any losses 😂
subtle pasture
This man know the way ^
That said, you can hodl while also using your funds. Take out a crypto-backed loan.
last dirge
I don't need a loan tho
subtle pasture
Some people need the fake debt for their taxes 🤷♀️
last dirge
I've got debt
subtle pasture
But really, throwing it out there as an option for using your Crypto funds without actually converting back to fiat (which would incur capital gains tax)
Taking out a crypto-baked loan bypasses that entire problem
