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cedar chasm Mar 9, 2021, 4:50 PM

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Also, with the mainstreaming of WFH, the "white-collar" sector is functionally globalized

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or getting there

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Let the race to the bottom commence

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 4:51 PM

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Eh... not everywhere's gonna WFH. While some businesses are all for it, others talk like it's pure evil.

subtle pasture Mar 9, 2021, 4:51 PM

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I'm literally looking into how to replace several coworkers with an AI right now...

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 4:52 PM

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Fucking Goldman Sachs... 😠

noble pivot Mar 9, 2021, 4:52 PM

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subtle pasture I'm literally looking into how to replace several coworkers with an AI right now...

The smart ones or the dumb ones ?

subtle pasture Mar 9, 2021, 4:52 PM

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Tier 1 support, and some ticket routing, might be all AI and bots soon

cedar chasm Mar 9, 2021, 4:52 PM

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The companies that stick to the old ways will have to compete with the new school

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we'll see how that goes

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Not even rhetorically speaking cause I don't know how it will go

subtle pasture Mar 9, 2021, 4:53 PM

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noble pivot The smart ones or the dumb ones ?

The low hanging fruit. The smart ones will probably move up in the company.

last dirge Mar 9, 2021, 4:53 PM

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@subtle pasture that's the opposite of my experience

subtle pasture Mar 9, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Fair, their job might just evaporate

clever mortar Mar 9, 2021, 4:54 PM

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deft pewter Eh... not everywhere's gonna WFH. While some businesses are all for it, others t...

Come to the dark side. WFH, with a side helping of international travel with 24 hours notice, and local travel with even less... 😛

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 4:55 PM

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You know I'm tempted.

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You know my skill set, so just shout if you hear of anything. I'm cool with you passing along a link to my LinkedIn too.

clever mortar Mar 9, 2021, 4:55 PM

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I will, it's what I do for many people 😄

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 4:56 PM

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Not that I imagine there's much need to fly devs around.

last dirge Mar 9, 2021, 4:56 PM

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lol

clever mortar Mar 9, 2021, 4:56 PM

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Not generally, those folks tend to be more static. You can fix/take apart and insult code from anywhere

last dirge Mar 9, 2021, 4:56 PM

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@deft pewter what's your language of choice?

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 4:56 PM

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Bad English

cedar chasm Mar 9, 2021, 4:57 PM

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I'm moving into the trades; specifically I'm about ready to go be an apprentice electrician.
Guessing the cable layer robots are a couple of months off

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 4:57 PM

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I do back-end stuff with NodeJS. Would pick up another language if I had to though.

last dirge Mar 9, 2021, 4:58 PM

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"I write server-side javascript"

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shudder

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 4:59 PM

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😂

clever mortar Mar 9, 2021, 4:59 PM

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Could be worse, could be perl...

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 4:59 PM

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It's actually pretty neat. I know it's not considered the most optimal language for it... but it's so quick to throw something together.

last dirge Mar 9, 2021, 4:59 PM

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yeah

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 4:59 PM

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And as we're writing more and more serverless stuff, it's really quick to build a few AWS Lambda functions and just deploy in seconds.

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Been working with AWS Step Functions lately too, which are just sticking Lambdas together in a flow chart. Makes for some really quick architecting of fairly complex apps.

last dirge Mar 9, 2021, 5:00 PM

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I'm currently stuck in an enterprise that's stuck almost 2 decades ago

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:00 PM

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Aha. I know the feeling. I'm actually on one of their newer services and they still feel so far behind.

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Can never convince them to pick up new tooling or processes. 'This is how we do things' 🤦‍♂️

last dirge Mar 9, 2021, 5:01 PM

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"this customer's running a pen test on your code"

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"cool, it's going to find all that stuff I said was a problem but you said we didn't have budget to fix"

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a few moments later

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"holy crap the pen test found all this stuff and it needs to be fixed ASAP"

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Sounds about right

last dirge Mar 9, 2021, 5:03 PM

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"this version of jquery needs to be updated to version X due to security problems"

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upgrades jquery and testers run a month of full regression of every function on the application

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"security problems were found in that version of jquery and you must upgrade to version X+2"

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"cool, we're going to have to redo all of that regression testing because those versions aren't API compatible"

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https://tenor.com/view/jackie-chan-meme-what-confused-huh-gif-5480485

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deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:07 PM

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I'm trying to get my department to be less worrisome around upgrades. There were a few critical CVE's announced recently that affected the versions of Node we're currently running on production. As soon as I heard, I started testing all our stuff locally on the fixed version. Even when it turned out we weren't susceptible to those particular CVE's, I still told my boss I wanted to push ahead with the upgrade to a fixed version.

last dirge Mar 9, 2021, 5:07 PM

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this app is an albatross

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:07 PM

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Surprised they went for it. And was slightly annoyed when I got a message today (on my day off) saying they thought they'd found a bug caused by the upgrade 😂 Turns out they just fucked up a script somewhere.

last dirge Mar 9, 2021, 5:07 PM

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mainly due to the guy that's been "in charge" of it

lapis cipher Mar 9, 2021, 5:09 PM

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There's always that one guy..

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:09 PM

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Sounds a bit like our principal. His way is always right and the management value whatever he says above anyone else's suggestions... to the point where any good idea coming from anyone but him is immediately discounted 😠

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So yeah, we don't get to improve things 🤷‍♂️

last dirge Mar 9, 2021, 5:10 PM

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"this database call is really slow because we have to make a recursive call in a function that's vendor-specific to oracle"

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:10 PM

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They keep asking why our stuff is so slow to deploy / difficult to test / time-consuming to change... it's because it's a frigging monolith that keeps getting more and more shit bolted to it.

last dirge Mar 9, 2021, 5:10 PM

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"why don't you fix the data so you don't need to do that?"

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blank stare

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and "this call was unuseably slow so I changed the implementation to create a view in the database on demand for a user and then I made it pull all of the results from that view into an in-memory instance of an H2 database"

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:11 PM

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If you like database stuff, you'll love this... they told us we had to work with DynamoDB for this project... before figuring out the requirements for this project.

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We haven't gone to prod yet and we're already getting feature requests for stuff that would've been better suited to either a relational DB or even something more flexible like Mongo. But noooooo, they wanted to be clever and use Dynamo for cost optimisation 🤦‍♂️

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Even worse... you can only query Dynamo with at most two keys before applying any filtering. So they decided that instead of a table per data type, we'd have all the data types in a single megatable and one key would be the name of the class. Hurrah, wasted half our query power before we even started development...

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I'm not experienced enough or knowledgeable enough to be a principal dev... but hell, some of their decisions are so stupid.

clever mortar Mar 9, 2021, 5:14 PM

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"Principle" anything usually means done this for a long time

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Doesn't mean they know anything useful

cedar chasm Mar 9, 2021, 5:16 PM

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Would almost be worth learning suggestion techniques to give those principles some sensible ideas, under those conditions.

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Too bad about the credit

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But a rising tide lifts all boats and all that jazz

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:19 PM

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clever mortar Doesn't mean they know anything useful

I mean, he's good. Really good. But that doesn't mean that everything he says is right or that other people should be ignored.

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:20 PM

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cedar chasm Too bad about the credit

We've got a decent culture. I think people would attribute the credit to the right people. It's just annoying that there's so much corporate bullshit going on preventing you doing some proper work. Way too much politicking and bureaucracy, not enough change.

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There's stuff I could do that would help us migrate from this crazy monolith to a modular approach if they'd give me a few weeks to start on it... but instead, it's always about monetising stuff. They seem to forget that if we can make things more efficient, we'll get more of the monetising work done later. We just need a pause to change some stuff first.

lapis cipher Mar 9, 2021, 5:21 PM

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Going technology forward is always a failure. I understand the anxiety of new and wow stuff but its still wrong

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I mean, like choosing the database up front before any specs are layed

clever mortar Mar 9, 2021, 5:22 PM

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deft pewter I mean, he's good. Really good. But that doesn't mean that *everything* he says ...

You mean... nobody knows everything....? I'm shocked, just shocked 😂

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:22 PM

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One recent thing that's made me laugh... they keep going trying to do different things to cut our running costs (we have 44 EC2 instances of varying sizes per environment, total of 7 environments). They've spent weeks of time trying to figure out how small these instances can go and still perform well.

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Why didn't they just give the devs that time to split out the code that can run as lambdas/steps? 🤯

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We have 2 EC2s per environment that exist solely to run scheduled jobs and fire off notifications to other boxes... prime candidate for a little lambda that runs on a scheduled basis 🤷‍♂️

clever mortar Mar 9, 2021, 5:24 PM

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Yeah, one of our DevOps people did the maths, and realised we could save a significant amount by moving as much as possible to a different running model. Sure, some things will need to be tweaked, or re-written, but the long term benefit is .... "not small"

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:25 PM

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My answer to pretty much every problem/delay lately has been 'you remember this monolith I keep complaining about?' 😂

clever mortar Mar 9, 2021, 5:25 PM

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Had the amusing conversation where they were clearly winding up the pitch to rebuild things I'm responsible for, and then I deflated them with the response of I don't care how it works, I just care it works

clear ferry Mar 9, 2021, 5:26 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/yeah-laughing-dont-make-me-run-im-full-of-chocolate-gif-13615375

Tenor

clever mortar Mar 9, 2021, 5:26 PM

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Yes, I know enough to architect this stuff, but ... that's not my job any more, and frankly I don't actually care any more. I just want things that deliver the output I want. It can all be magic behind the scenes for all I care 😄

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:26 PM

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But it is all magic

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That's the only explanation for how my code actually runs.

clear ferry Mar 9, 2021, 5:26 PM

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Any sufficiently advanced technology is

clever mortar Mar 9, 2021, 5:26 PM

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http://catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html

clear ferry Mar 9, 2021, 5:29 PM

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You know the story is bound to be good

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When it includes a PDP

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Which is based on technology certain Americans refuse to believe in

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gasm

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12 bit I hardly knew her

clever mortar Mar 9, 2021, 5:31 PM

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I've been involved in enough weird ass bugs and fixes that I know that IT often appears to be magic from both sides

clear ferry Mar 9, 2021, 5:31 PM

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It usually is

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Which is why my managers manager insists on calling me the magician whenever I enter the room

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what

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:32 PM

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No, he just wants you to do that trick where you disappear without trace.

clear ferry Mar 9, 2021, 5:32 PM

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angry

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Atleast it is better then the Swedes I worked with that threw empty soda cans at me and was disappointed when they didn't orbit

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modCheck

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:34 PM

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Madness. Of course they'd orbit you.

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Lexx keeps getting weirder. And despite having a load of unknowns for the main cast, there's a decent number of cameos by famous actors 😄

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Rutger Hauer, Malcolm McDowell... looking forward to seeing who's in the other seasons.

cedar chasm Mar 9, 2021, 5:47 PM

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Is this Lexx, the sci-fi that started in 1997?

low harness Mar 9, 2021, 5:49 PM

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That's still going??

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:51 PM

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Naw, I just fancied watching something old 😄

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Yes, madao. That Lexx.

cedar chasm Mar 9, 2021, 5:51 PM

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Worth a look then?

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:52 PM

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It's really, really, really awful. I'd highly recommend it.

cedar chasm Mar 9, 2021, 5:52 PM

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haha

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most promising

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 5:52 PM

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Like... if you thought Farscape was weird, Lexx is waaaay out there.

clever mortar Mar 9, 2021, 5:54 PM

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IMO Farscape is pretty "normal", I've ~~watched~~ enjoyed a lot weirder shows

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Then again, I did watch Lexx back when it came out shrug

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 6:00 PM

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What did you think of the crossover episodes between Farscape and Stargate?

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lapis cipher Mar 9, 2021, 6:09 PM

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I'm go as long as there's Carter 😄

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 6:12 PM

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Naw. It's all about Dr Keller

lapis cipher Mar 9, 2021, 6:18 PM

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Not that its a huge achievement but watched all episodes of MacGyver and Stargate, not so much any spinoffs or remakes (of sort)

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 6:18 PM

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So you just stalk Richard Dean Anderson? 😂

lapis cipher Mar 9, 2021, 6:18 PM

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Can't help but MacGyver was The Idol when i was a kid

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I guess so 😄

subtle pasture Mar 9, 2021, 6:35 PM

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deft pewter Naw. It's all about Dr Keller

Lets be honest, they cast a lot of attractive people for those shows 👀

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 6:35 PM

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They sure do. Both genders too...

subtle pasture Mar 9, 2021, 6:35 PM

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e'yup

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Can we talk about how ripped Michael Shanks got in the latter half of SG1? lol

midnight adder Mar 9, 2021, 6:37 PM

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im trying to get a wemos working from an adapter, yet the adapter is specified being a 5v one

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but i measure 7.7v

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what do i do

subtle pasture Mar 9, 2021, 6:37 PM

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"Who's the chiseled buff dude, and what has he done with Daniel Jackson?"

midnight adder Mar 9, 2021, 6:37 PM

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deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 6:40 PM

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midnight adder what do i do

Start in #diy-archived 😉

subtle pasture Mar 9, 2021, 6:40 PM

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midnight adder what do i do

Might want to try #hardware-archived

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We're missing a "diwhy" channel 🤣

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https://www.reddit.com/r/DiWHY/

last dirge Mar 9, 2021, 6:44 PM

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I'd imagine you should learn how a VOM works

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and why you're getting the reading you are

cloud laurel Mar 9, 2021, 6:46 PM

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hello, how do you guys connect to your home assistant instance from outside your home network?

noble pivot Mar 9, 2021, 6:47 PM

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#551864459891703809

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 6:54 PM

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And please read the topics 👀

cloud laurel Mar 9, 2021, 6:56 PM

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i did. this is the only channel that isn't related to some part of home assistant

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and there is no on-off-topic channel lol

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 6:56 PM

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#general-archived ...

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You interrupted our discussion about buff Michael Shanks 😢

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https://tenor.com/view/daniel-jackson-stargate-sg1-what-confused-gif-5619857

Tenor

lapis cipher Mar 9, 2021, 7:17 PM

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n00b moment, went (accidentally clicked) to hangout and couldn't get out 🤣

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 7:18 PM

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Yeah, the Discord controls for that suck. They should really appear closer to the voice channel itself.

lapis cipher Mar 9, 2021, 7:19 PM

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at least i didn't try any voice commands

cedar chasm Mar 9, 2021, 7:30 PM

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Stupid Sexy Michael Shanks

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Caught the first episode of Lexx, has potential, I must say

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It had a fun insectoid drone bomb sequence and there was a winter soldier

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Solid first outing in my book

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Oh and the mayor from SpinCity

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 7:45 PM

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Haha... that drone bomb bit was annoying.

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But yeah... if that episode hasn't put you off, you'll probably like the rest.

low harness Mar 9, 2021, 8:28 PM

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OH! MY! F**N GOD!
My iphone just canceled the long running process of downloading all the photos from it in order to free up some storage.
And guess why? Why, to inform me that it was almost out of storage space, of course!

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*inform me again

clever mortar Mar 9, 2021, 8:31 PM

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You may have missed the first one

clear ferry Mar 9, 2021, 10:05 PM

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https://i.redd.it/x0j4z2axi1m61.png

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https://i.redd.it/v9bpq4wyq1m61.jpg

hushed basalt Mar 9, 2021, 10:16 PM

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https://c.tenor.com/bCKgXJpBbl4AAAAM/seal-with.gif

deft pewter Mar 9, 2021, 10:29 PM

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I love the puddle one 😄

vagrant yew Mar 9, 2021, 10:55 PM

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deft pewter

Best serie.

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The original movie still is good

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Too bad the series went up and down quality wise.

forest edge Mar 9, 2021, 11:14 PM

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amanda tapping was smokin in the early series

forest edge Mar 9, 2021, 11:33 PM

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dull chasm Mar 9, 2021, 11:34 PM

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sounds about right

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 12:03 AM

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forest edge how music gets converted when crossing the Louisiana line <@!331199286811295745>...

🤔

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 12:30 AM

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forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 12:37 AM

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what all music gets converted to when crossing the Californian line @tidal bronze https://youtu.be/p3G5IXn0K7A

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Hampton the Hamster "The Hamsterdance Song"

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tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 12:43 AM

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Outstanding! "This should play during the credits, when the world ends"👍

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 12:48 AM

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pretty sure you guys play it all over the place as is as seen here when you run out of gas and gotta walk https://media.tenor.com/images/4f682b48f7945ce6d1aafc530b8fc419/tenor.gif

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 12:50 AM

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Yep always happy.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 12:55 AM

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we call it "special needs" here but "happy" works lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 12:57 AM

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Comes with beautiful sunny days all year around.

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Hmmm

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:09 AM

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google learning your wicked ways

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:09 AM

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Interesting, future of automation

wet pilot Mar 10, 2021, 1:10 AM

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I've had it prompt me for that for setting an alarm on one of my home devices

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:10 AM

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I like that they added alot more stuff to the time part on google phones. you can see alot more upcming stuff rather than just like upcoming flghts like before

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:11 AM

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Very soon writing automations for common things will be thing of the past.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:11 AM

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what do you mean? depending on the product it's already like that for many

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like nest thermostats

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:13 AM

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Thermostats are the dumbest of the lot 🤣 unless there's loads of hand holding with temp data and motion data.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:13 AM

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that might be but learning and preadjusting the temp based off past user input during certian conditions still is automating itself

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:14 AM

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Playing back a schedule is meh but ok. 👍

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:14 AM

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its not a schedule

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using my moms nest as an example. it was installed, nothing but location set at time of installation and after 2 years she never touches it for anything through both summer and winter

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it uses outsiode weather data fetched from net based on her pref and just adjusts the inside temp accordingly

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it's not rocket science or anything but still is classifed as self automating lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:18 AM

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Depends on many variables but it's the least smart thing I have owned. Nest since initial release and ecobee since initial release. Actually ecobee a tad bit better with temp averaging still not that smart.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:20 AM

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well depends what you consider "smart" for a thermostat that uses outside and inside as well as user input to judge an action and commence said action on it's own without needing a user is "smart" in my eyes

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:21 AM

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I agree. KC smart and LA smart, well 2 different enchiladas 😆

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:21 AM

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if your coffee maker had a sensor to know what type of movies you were watching while the user brewed a cup, it might know that when you watch sap love movies your gonna need a cup and make you one without you even needing to get off the couch

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that is considered "smart"

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yea well last I checked you still don't have flying uber cars and your fully automated vehicles still run people over so I wouldn't go boasting about calfornians being "smarter" lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:23 AM

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Everything you use and call smart was made here right ?

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:23 AM

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no

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not by a long shot lool

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:24 AM

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Not the manual churning ice cream maker.

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Like the nest you ranted about.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:24 AM

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pretty sure china is leading on the "smart" iot stuff

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:25 AM

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Dying here. 🤣

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:25 AM

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you know alot of your silcone vally is moving to texas right?

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:25 AM

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BS.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:25 AM

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does that mean texas is smarter than california?

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:26 AM

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When that happens we will revisit that.

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:29 AM

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forest edge does that mean texas is smarter than california?

Unfortunately, no, just cheap for the bottom line.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:30 AM

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you know when some dude in maine invents an automatic toilet scrubber then moves to california to better setup up his startup buisness that dosen't make the scrubber a california invention either lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:32 AM

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Hmm no, just shows how good we are at adopting and making things happen. Or it will be a napkin dream in Maine.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:32 AM

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and the following toliet scrubber mark 8 may have been concieved and improved upon while within the state of california it still dosen't make the original concept of the device a californian made invention either lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:33 AM

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I know you are hurting. It will be alright. You should listen to the chipmunk song you posted earlier.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:33 AM

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and the biggest retort I can say is, if california was damn great then why you bastards keep moving here to KC? go home! lol

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tired of seeing those black licence plates with yellow/orangeish numbers around here lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:40 AM

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Finally you guys have some hope. 👍

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BTW you are seeing things. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/California-SF-Bay-Area-exodus-migration-USPS-data-15983559.php

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:48 AM

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sounds like a desperate attempt to sleep at night after knowing people are leaving lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:49 AM

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Hmmm

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:49 AM

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if you saw the amount of new cali plates poping up just around this area alone you would know cali are leaving in droves lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:50 AM

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Of course remote working can save people money. It's not rocket science. But if someone has to move to KC from Cali, oh boy.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:50 AM

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if it was a few then sure.. we are past filling entire apartment complexes

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:51 AM

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I doubt that, but if it makes you happy 👌

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:51 AM

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can doubt all you want, i am being serious

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and that is just this area

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if there was something worth moving here for i could see it

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:52 AM

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Hmm I know you are not used to people. That's why I am doubting.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:52 AM

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but there isn't anything here lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:52 AM

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forest edge but there isn't anything here lol

That's why I said oh boy.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:52 AM

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yea well i do have to drive from point A to B and now I have to mitigate cali drivers which is a nightmare

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:53 AM

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Be gentle.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:53 AM

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and those plates piss me off

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piss me off cause when I was younger I would have wanted those plates lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:53 AM

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Love the black plates.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:53 AM

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and the worst part

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they are not hot blondes

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i mean wtf

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talk about getting ripped off

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:54 AM

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I apologize 😔

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:54 AM

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you should

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 1:55 AM

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Do you carry your share of sesame sprinkled toasted kale ?

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That's how you find them.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 1:57 AM

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when I heard cali's were moving here I was hoping for my slice of this but was disappointed https://youtu.be/KSMCa-Etzmc

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tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 2:28 AM

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@forest edge how's the housing market there?

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:00 AM

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@tidal bronze like everywhere else, the pandemic has forced prices down lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:01 AM

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Prices down ?

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:02 AM

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i mean in a competitive sense

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they say we are surging to catching up to other areas as for cost of living etc

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not sure how i feel about that

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I guess when I die my properties might sell for 10x what I paid for them but that doesn't benefit me none plus I am stuck with taxes going up lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:04 AM

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And rental prices up or down ?

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:05 AM

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oh i dunno, assume up. where I live and KC prices are not hand in hand when it comes to rental

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:05 AM

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Lots for sale.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:06 AM

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yea well places like that located in the areas they are in are always listed lol

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I guess the ghetto are fetching more for thier shit homes

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looking to move here too?

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you would want to look for houses around the 600k range lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:08 AM

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Rental property

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Brentwood in KC is as expensive as LA 🤣

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:13 AM

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well the house cost may be but you know taxes are not lol

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we have a few pockets of rich type homes and they are like in their own ecosystem

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:15 AM

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1010 Brentwood Cir. Beautiful

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:16 AM

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this? https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1010-Brentwood-Cir_Kansas-City_MO_64112_M88942-95424

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:17 AM

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Yes.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:17 AM

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your gonna wanna do a google street view of that before commenting lol

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this day and age everyone is out to rip others off so no matter how nice a house might be you can bet there is something around it that is pure aids

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:18 AM

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Lol

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Just browsing around.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:19 AM

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I get architects hounding me to buy my farm simply because it is close enough to the city yet away from all the clutter of neighbors etc

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:19 AM

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I get people constantly cold calling/texting/mailing me about buying my rental property

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:19 AM

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because people are buying up any land they can and trying to smash as many homes together on it as possible

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:20 AM

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it's not subdivisible

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so...

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it's been rented for 8 years almost occupied 100% of the time

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so maybe they're seeing that

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:22 AM

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godforbid if someone wants to buy something cause they like how it is and want to keep it that way

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:22 AM

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this is all from "investment companies"

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:22 AM

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Nothing left in LA anymore. Waiting for end of March correction.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:23 AM

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doesn't LA just expand it's borders so they can keep smashing lemmings together?

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there is the water.. sooner or later you'll be on the beach and 360 degree around you will be homes, some on land, some on stilts lol

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where is the thanos snap when you need amirite

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:27 AM

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Very hard to fine 2/4 multi units.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:29 AM

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you buying homes and renting them?

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:30 AM

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Yes been doing that a long time.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:30 AM

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gross

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renting land is perfectly fine

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renting a home is gross

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:31 AM

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That's what I used to think.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:31 AM

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even if you are paying some buisness to handle all the headaches part, thier cut is too much making the end gain not worth it

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:32 AM

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5% is not bad at all

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:32 AM

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bs

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:32 AM

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or!

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you can find tenants that don't suck a D

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and you rarely ever hear from them

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:32 AM

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you could win the lotto too brian

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:32 AM

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and they more than cover your mortgage note

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:33 AM

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Yep. I have some like that.

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Still converted everything to mgmt. Just easier.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:34 AM

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how the hell did you find a buisness that handles the collection and fixing of shit for only 5%

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:34 AM

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I just have my "accidental landlord" property

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:34 AM

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Usual rate is 7% they go down to 3% as well. 5% is happy medium

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Depends on number of doors

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:35 AM

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must be a cut throat buisness in cali then lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:35 AM

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In Vegas as well lol

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:35 AM

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you won't get that here

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:36 AM

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There's always a way.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:36 AM

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you'll end up paying more in the end that much I can promise you

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now see with just land, there is nothing.. you collect and thats it lol

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the occasional make sure noone is storing toxic waste or anything and you are good to go

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:37 AM

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Will never do commercial ever.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:37 AM

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agricultural not commercial lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:38 AM

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That I have no clue.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:38 AM

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don't need a clue, you rent land a cow sits on

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and your done

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:38 AM

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Lmao

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I know that's what YOU do.

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:38 AM

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GME tho

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:39 AM

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Oh boy.

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That's just nuts.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:39 AM

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well if you rent a farm that is being used to grow stuff it's not any diffrent lol

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if the dude i renting to now ever stops my farm will turn into growing weed lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:39 AM

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@last dirge you playing GME?

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:39 AM

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mostly as a long-term hold

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but it looks like it's actually going to squeeze harder than it did last time

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so we'll see

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:40 AM

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Long term huh. Interesting.

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:40 AM

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up almost 17K as it sits right now

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:40 AM

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Good for you man

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:40 AM

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yeah, they did some pretty rapid pivoting last month

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changed out most of the C suite

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shifted a good portion of their online presence to selling computer hardware

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:41 AM

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Yep read about that.

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:41 AM

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so they're already doing what the new CEO said they were going to do

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:41 AM

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Still the current price is nuts.

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:41 AM

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it's going to go up

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lot of deep dive analysis on current short percentages and most everybody agrees that the shorts shorted again

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and now it's worse than it was before

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:42 AM

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Made some and gave up. Did you go in on tesla?

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:43 AM

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nah, all my stuff was tied up during bear time

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I've stayed the hell out of it since before the split

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damn up 20% from yesterday

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:45 AM

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Yes indeed. Took ARKK along with it. 😆

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:45 AM

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wish my pot stocks would rebound like that

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:45 AM

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Don't tell me tilray

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:46 AM

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nah, Sundial

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:47 AM

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Oh. Do you think it will bounce?

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:47 AM

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it's coming back slowly

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:58 AM

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@tidal bronze aside from needing more tweaking frigate seems to be working ok

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what fps do you have yours set to?

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 3:58 AM

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8.4 is fantastic.

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5fps

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 3:58 AM

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8.4?

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oh your running the addon

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I think 5fps has the chance to miss stuff if it moves quick enough

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mine is set at that cause it was default but planning to up it some and test it out

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I noticed sometimes when I go get the mail it dosen't catch me

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:01 AM

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you running a Coral?

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:02 AM

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no

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even at 60 bucks I can't justify the cost for it to be on one camera

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:02 AM

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damnit, I shouldn't have looked at this

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:02 AM

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now if the coral could handle more than one sure, but it can't

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:03 AM

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you running that on unix?

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:03 AM

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in a docker on linux

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:03 AM

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veeeeery interesting

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:04 AM

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You can get the mini pcie or m.2 24.99

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:04 AM

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got nowhere to put that tho

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:04 AM

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if you had those slots lol

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my pc this is running on dosen't even have usb 3 lol

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i would need a pcix1

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:05 AM

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5 fps is fine even if fedex guy runs still get the cropped and tagged telegram image. Good enough for me.

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 4:05 AM

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🤢

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Pcix

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:05 AM

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yea it catches most, just saying at 5fps it isn't catching everythijng\

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i would like for it to catch animals but hasn't caught a single one yet

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:05 AM

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looks like my NUC has two m2 ports

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HMMMM

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:06 AM

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Running on a dedicated nuc i7.

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:06 AM

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https://www.amazon.com/Intel-NUC-mini-NUC6i7KYK-Core/dp/B01DJ9XS52

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:06 AM

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@hushed basalt only means of adding usb 3.0 to an older pc too

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 4:06 AM

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Do you think it's missing things because it's blurry or because too much just happens between frames

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:06 AM

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HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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NUC got cheap

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:06 AM

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Indeed.

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:06 AM

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that's what I run hass on

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:06 AM

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over 400 is cheap?

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what world do you people live ion

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:07 AM

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compared to what I paid for it, yeah

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:07 AM

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forest edge what world do you people live ion

BTC

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:07 AM

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I'm on the "I make a good living" world

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:07 AM

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I wonder if the rpi4 could handle frigate at 5fps is the real question lol

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 4:07 AM

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I'm not a fan of nucs

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:07 AM

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porque no?

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:07 AM

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@tidal bronze playdough you say

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 4:07 AM

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I'd avoid mobile processors altogether

static schooner Mar 10, 2021, 4:08 AM

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There are just cheaper options for the same perf

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:08 AM

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not with the same footprint or power consumption

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:08 AM

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Been running nucs for a long time. Just great

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:08 AM

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HA blue

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now that would run frigate

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:09 AM

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is it still unobtanium?

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:09 AM

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the odroid is always available, just may not be fancy blue lol

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:09 AM

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that's a quarter of the price of that nuc

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:09 AM

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Frigate media browser is too good.

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 4:09 AM

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You have to include the power supply and mess of cables to compare footprint

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:10 AM

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tidal bronze Frigate media browser is too good.

wtf you talking about? you refering to you seeing the clips folder in the HA media browser?

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:10 AM

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@tidal bronze how many cameras are you looking at?

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:10 AM

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16

static schooner Mar 10, 2021, 4:10 AM

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These guys are pretty tiny: Lenovo ThinkCentre M92p Tiny Mini Business Desktop Computer, Intel Core i5-3470T up to 3.6Ghz, 8GB RAM, 500GB HDD, Intel HD Graphics, VGA, USB 3.0, Windows 10 Professional (Renewed) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075FHNZC8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_W2YDDBGBG7A93NTF4P4Y

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:10 AM

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it's an i5 though

static schooner Mar 10, 2021, 4:10 AM

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They have diff processor models

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$164

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:11 AM

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gotta be careful which chip it is too, they are not all made equal lol

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 4:11 AM

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Intel Frost Canyon NUC (NUC 10i7FNHAA) Review: Big Win | Digital ...

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'footprint'

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:11 AM

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I run on i7 2 x corals. All zigbee and zw motion now idling. @last dirge

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:11 AM

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lol 2 corals.. fancy

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:11 AM

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local storage or NFS mount?

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:12 AM

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Local

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 4:12 AM

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What's the thermal throttling like on a NUC

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:12 AM

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actually that isn't fancy at all quad you super cheap ass, why aren't you sourcing your feeds out to some company to handle all that then text you the image? lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:12 AM

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@forest edge I depend on it. So nothing fancy

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 4:12 AM

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Comparing it to desktop processors is apples to oranges

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:13 AM

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Although motion retrigger could be better. To count idle person and dog etc.

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 4:13 AM

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My go to will always be a USFF machine with internal PSU

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:14 AM

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my NVR has limited functionality

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 4:14 AM

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One IEC cable in, done

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:14 AM

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how many feeds can you dump onto one coral device?

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:14 AM

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might take a serious look at Frigate

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:14 AM

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You should. Puts all my NVRs to shame.

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:15 AM

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then I could put all my ipcams on their own VLAN

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and still access them through frigate

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so security++

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:15 AM

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Yep

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That's how I have mine setup.

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:15 AM

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might have to sacrifice some cryptocurrency for the greater good

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:16 AM

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lol

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:16 AM

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I would not touch that BTC

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:16 AM

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yea it will tank soon enough

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 4:16 AM

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@static schooner a USFF like a 9020 are great options too

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:16 AM

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ETH

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 4:16 AM

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Smaller footprint than a NUC once you account for power supply

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:17 AM

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Oh cool

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:17 AM

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@tidal bronze how many feeds you got piping through a single coral?

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:18 AM

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Didn't look at it. Sometime ago 1 handled 8 no issues.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:18 AM

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and if you are using a coral why the hell do you have it set to only 5fps?

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:18 AM

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Enough for my use.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:19 AM

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these usb 3 corals?

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:19 AM

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Yes

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I just use for person triggers and motion and dog count for sprinkler

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Actually that idea is from @last dirge

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:20 AM

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dog sprinkler automation FTW

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:20 AM

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he put more in for the addon for HA than running it seperate

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that is obvious

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:21 AM

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@last dirge remember your 5 minute sprinkler run after dogs. Now frigate takes care of that.

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:21 AM

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my use case isn't that serious

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I've only got one camera in the back yard that can only see part of the yard

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:21 AM

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watering down dog poo? gross

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:22 AM

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@tidal bronze my sprinkler trick didn't do enough

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got a soil test and my pH is WAY off

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:23 AM

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I run 8 minutes now with mp2000

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Still some spots but nothing terrible

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:23 AM

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recommended applying 330 pounds of lime per 1ksqft

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which is ridiculous

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we'll see how it turns out

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:24 AM

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So you mailed it in ?

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:24 AM

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threw down like 160 pounds of lime last week

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yeah

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used Waypoint analytical

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:25 AM

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Gotta do it one of these days.

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:26 AM

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I'll be doing it yearly from now on

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hopefully stuff won't get out of whack

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:27 AM

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Planning to change out front area hybrid tea roses and must do the test before that.

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:27 AM

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don't roses like acidic soil?

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:28 AM

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Yes it does. But gotta change out sprinklers to drip. They don't like water on leafs.

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:29 AM

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Rainbird makes a conversion head

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turns a pop-up into a drip manifold

tidal bronze Mar 10, 2021, 4:29 AM

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Nice.

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I have a few toros left gotta throw them out.

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:30 AM

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they've also got this style

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https://www.lowes.com/pd/Rain-Bird-Drip-Irrigation-Conversion-Kit/1000374965

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https://www.lowes.com/pd/Rain-Bird-Drip-Irrigation-Conversion-Kit/1000374965 there's the manifold one

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 4:31 AM

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lawn junkies

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 4:35 AM

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gotta have something I"m good at

last cedar Mar 10, 2021, 5:00 AM

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forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 5:37 AM

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@last cedar you need to let this fetish go.. it only ends one way https://youtu.be/z2_8cfVpXbo

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last cedar Mar 10, 2021, 5:40 AM

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😢

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 6:54 AM

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winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 7:27 AM

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in romanian iubi = my love .... funny

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 7:41 AM

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yes invest in a device that can fail and permanently lock you out of your shit

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https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-mr-burns-evil-plan-evil-smile-excellent-gif-5090669

Tenor

dusky plank Mar 10, 2021, 8:03 AM

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munin node on opnsense does not list any services 🤕

last cedar Mar 10, 2021, 8:12 AM

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Oh dear :/

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 8:25 AM

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The unbelievable feeling when you develop 3 different styles of heating control and every single one does the same in the end. yay... 😄

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Turns out these things are just that simple....

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But i've got one more algorithm which stands out: set the feed setpoint according to valve opening. that's killer. rooms get warm and the average feed temperature is 10° lower than usual. hope it pays off. on the other hand the one that looks at the return temperature and decreases the feed accordingly is crap... but my 17 year old gas boiler is now as smart as the 2020 models. feels like slapping in a car pc into an oldtimer but eh... gotta do something with spare time right?

clever mortar Mar 10, 2021, 8:37 AM

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Well, in a lot of cases the difference is just the control, not the hardware, so ... 🤞

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:05 AM

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I forgot how quiet it gets in here on a weekday morning. You nerds all doing your jobs instead of slacking off on Discord? 🤔

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 9:10 AM

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when outside is snowing heavily....all u need is to enjoy the silence 🙂 🙂

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:10 AM

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busy trying to avoid any type of work

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:12 AM

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I had to take a couple of days off to drive my missus to/from appointments and I'd honestly prefer being at work 😄

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Snowing in Romania at the moment, Adrian? Isn't it a bit late in the year? 🤔

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:16 AM

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Lots of new snow here too yesterday and -20, i was like wth, its march already

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 9:17 AM

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well...a little bit late, but...we cannot match the nature

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unfortunately some flowers/trees were about to blossom

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:18 AM

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According to official measurements we got 17 cm of snow yesterday

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 9:18 AM

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where?

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WhatsApp_Image_2021-03-10_at_11.19.53.jpeg

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:24 AM

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This is why you have two @forest edge

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And backups offline

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:27 AM

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I'm a peasant. I only have one.

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But it's also not my only way into accounts...

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 9:28 AM

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atx...u sent snow here?

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:28 AM

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Better have two..

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:29 AM

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That can't be real. The cloud isn't just some server farm, is it? 😮

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:29 AM

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@winter wren snowing here too 😄

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I have usually three forms of MFA

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yubikey \ google auth and phone or email

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:30 AM

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You are correct mono, there are no computers in cloud since it wouldn't be then " a cloud"

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:30 AM

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but all my ssh keys to customers is on my yubikeys

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:31 AM

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I only have my own SSH keys to worry about. Can always generate new ones if I lose them 😄

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:31 AM

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There must be some great hurry on many companies that were having all their eggs on one basket..

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:32 AM

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that datacenter fire reminded me of a DC in sweden, they had installed fire supression without silencers on them

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so most disks just failed when the gas released

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:32 AM

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Backups? In the cloud..

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:32 AM

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spinning drives that is

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😄

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:32 AM

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Silencers? Like regulators?

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:32 AM

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I've seen a similar situation in norway, DC door was bent outwards in the top corner, and all drives reported 6000ms latency for a few seconds

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😄

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:32 AM

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Yeah read about that stuff at some point

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:32 AM

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So the sudden pressure change killed the disks?

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:33 AM

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yeah, they equalize the pressure or something

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:33 AM

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sound wave, its a physical hit to disks

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ah that too

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two things..

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:33 AM

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Most gas systems will have a regulator to control flow rate. Sounds ridiculous to install a system that doesn't.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:33 AM

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https://www.ansul.com/en/us/pages/ProductDetail.aspx?productdetail=Acoustic+Discharge+Nozzle

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:33 AM

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You're literally allowing an explosion otherwise.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:33 AM

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Something like this

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:34 AM

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interesting to read what the investigation reveals for this fire, something malfunctioned or what..

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:34 AM

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the one DC I was in didn't have time to regulate the gas, because some electrician had dropped 230v on the cylinders

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to they just released all at once

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😄

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:35 AM

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I wouldn't want to be around at that point...

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:35 AM

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there was another DC where a lady was trapped when the alarm sounded

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and the door didn't open...

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she panicked and started kicking the door, which didn't help

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she got out, but her ears were a bit shot

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:37 AM

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i was once working on a datacenter when the fire alarm went on. Since i wear ear protection i simply didn't hear (nor see) anything in the middle of the racks. Staff member came to take me out. -> just maybe some more visual alarms would be nice...

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:38 AM

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Usually the alarms in the DCs I work are so hard that even if Sonata Arctica is blasting at 240dB in my ears I can hear it

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:38 AM

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Is it as dramatic as the movies make it look? Sealed room full of inert gas and you die if you're stuck inside? 😄

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:38 AM

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I'm happy to say, as a customer, that i have rarely experienced fires at the datacenters 😄

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:39 AM

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not die, but it isn't pleasant they say

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but if you stay in there you could probably be deprived of oxygen, but modern systems don't remove all oxygen I believe

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Like... I work in DCs with 10-11% oxygen

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they are interesting, but don't stay too long

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:39 AM

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That explains your brain damage.

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:39 AM

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haha

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:39 AM

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I had that before

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this is just extra

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Reminds me, I need to calibrate my printer a bit

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so I can print the stuff @lapis cipher wants

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:41 AM

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atx - do you know if you'd be able to run Syncthing on TrueNAS SCALE? Maybe as a Docker container? The more I think about setting up a NAS, the more I realise my current backups suck 😄

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Plus I keep running low on HDD space for movies/TV on my main PC.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:41 AM

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if it runs in docker, you can run it on scale

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but just run rclone and rsync jobs

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😄

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:42 AM

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Might put together something cheap soon then. You were recommending a G8 before, right?

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:42 AM

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Well, how many disk bays do you need ?

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:42 AM

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I'll be happy if I can put together something with 12-16TB to start with, with room to grow in the future.

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Looking at current prices, I'll probably go with 2x6TB.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:43 AM

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you'd be better off with 4x4TB in RAIDz2 probably

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:44 AM

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Is that striped and mirrored? Don't think I'm that fussed about speed or redundancy, I just need more space.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:45 AM

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well Truenas is zfs based

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:45 AM

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Basically something that doesn't draw too much power but can still run SCALE and a few containers, and so I can dump all my media there (which can all be replaced anyway). I back up personal stuff to the cloud already.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:45 AM

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so it used zfs sets, be it mirrors, raidz1 \ raidz2 \ raidz3

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:46 AM

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Hmm. So 4x4TB in RAIDz2 would give me 8TB?

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:46 AM

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yes

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or you can be a rebel like me

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and do 4x in raidz1

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:46 AM

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I don't need petabytes...

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:46 AM

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only one drive redundancy, but I've had.... one drive failure in production the last 10 years

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:47 AM

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How's that work? 12TB of space and 4TB to back it all up? 🤔

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:47 AM

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so I run a 4x10TB in Raid1z + 3x 6TB in Raid1z + 3x 2TB in mirror for my primary storage

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plus 2x300GB mirrored for boot

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:48 AM

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This is all going over my head 😄

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:48 AM

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and my secondary system is just a BOD, 500GB rust + 512GB SSD + 3TB rust + 250GB rust

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that runs pure debian though

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 9:48 AM

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so...all norway is in your house

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:49 AM

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with ext4 filesystems

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psssh, I haven't even mentioned my 16x 2TB SSDs that are just laying around 😄

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 9:49 AM

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😮

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:50 AM

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Reading up on ZFS now. This parity block stuff is magic

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:50 AM

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zfs is very sturdy

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I trust it over most raid-controller systems for integrity

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but for ease HPE Smart Array is amazing

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:51 AM

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This sounds worrying:

You can now tolerate a single disk failure in this new vdev and a single disk failure in the older one. But if more than one disk fail within a single vdev, that’s not recoverable. Your entire pool is rendered useless even the healthier vdevs.

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How does one vdev failing bring down the rest?

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:51 AM

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well, you expand pools with vdevs

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so if you start out with a 4xsomething in raidz1 in your vdev

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you have to expand with another vdev of the same size

clever mortar Mar 10, 2021, 9:52 AM

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That's standard "RAID" stuff though, and why you have multiple redundancy, and backups

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:52 AM

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I don't add more than one vdev per pool

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the psychos over in the homelab servers add 4-5 vdevs per pool with striped mirrors

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because they buy 16 used 4TB drives

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:52 AM

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I get the distinction between pools and vdevs. Just not sure what one vdev dying kills the others. Aren't they independent 'clusters'?

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:52 AM

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vdevs adds to pools

ancient beacon Mar 10, 2021, 9:53 AM

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if your data is 'that' important i advice to use hotspare...... my 2 cents

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:53 AM

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eh, I backup the important stuff internally and externally, it is only 180GB so far

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:53 AM

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That's the thing. My data isn't important. It's movies and TV shows. Random downloads that I could get again if I really wanted to.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:53 AM

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so I manage fine

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:53 AM

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Sure, it'd be a pain to have to build my collection from scratch but it wouldn't be the end of the world.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:53 AM

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y

ancient beacon Mar 10, 2021, 9:54 AM

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zfs/raid is not a replacement for backup, true

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:54 AM

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most people think it is

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😄

ancient beacon Mar 10, 2021, 9:54 AM

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sigh

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:54 AM

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or... pROSumeRS think it is

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 9:54 AM

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why is not a backup ?

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:54 AM

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It's all in one place.

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One fire... everything's gone.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:54 AM

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it's not a backup unless it is on three seperate physical locations in my book

ancient beacon Mar 10, 2021, 9:55 AM

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@clear ferry so true

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:55 AM

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atx backs up to OVHcloud. Perfectly safe, never had a fire.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:55 AM

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but I do this for a living..

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 9:55 AM

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hey hey....don't mix things...backup is backup...DR is ...another story

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 9:55 AM

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I hadn't even heard of OVHcloud before today 😄

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backup isn't backup unless it has left the primary site 😉

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then it is just a copy

clever mortar Mar 10, 2021, 9:56 AM

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This is why for all my key data I have:

ZFS snapshot
Local network backup (x2 in a few cases)
Cloud backup (x2 providers in a few cases)

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I probably should add a third cloud provider... 🤔

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:56 AM

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mono, back in the mp3 time we solved the backup issue by contributing to a one massive collection which was mirrored by a handful of people 🙂

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:56 AM

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Until about a month ago, all my key data was on a single disk in my home PC 😂

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Finally backed up holiday/wedding photos and my documents to the cloud.

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:57 AM

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lapis cipher mono, back in the mp3 time we solved the backup issue by contributing to a one m...

Ah, good old Napster/Limewire/<insert favourite P2P network here>

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I too am old enough to remember those days.

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:57 AM

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nope, rsync 🙂

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 9:57 AM

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oDC DC++

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 9:57 AM

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it was our private collection

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there was some REALLY weird music, also of course good one but the idea was "anything goes" since the space isn't an issue with mp3's

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it still exists but not much used i think, at least i don't use it at this point

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As for fires, here is my workspace and computers, or what's left of it..

ancient beacon Mar 10, 2021, 9:59 AM

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oh my.....

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 10:00 AM

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Just to point out the importance of OFFSITE backups

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 10:00 AM

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in cloud there is not so much space to rent

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 10:01 AM

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Jottacloud unlimited yes

ancient beacon Mar 10, 2021, 10:01 AM

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and not to forget the 'human' error. I bet that destroyed a large part in the cases of data loss

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 10:02 AM

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oh..u host jottacloud ?

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 10:02 AM

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This is how you perform a photo recovery on physical copies (thank dog for albums that are hard to burn)

ancient beacon Mar 10, 2021, 10:02 AM

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🙂

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for those that think md-raid is a good solution: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/commit/?h=v5.11.5&id=b6846c020d3e76973bc0885b4a730aec8832eb14

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 10:08 AM

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lets just remember every raid is software raid 🙂

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 10:08 AM

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with hardware offloading sometimes

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😄

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but there is good software raid, and there is shitty software raid

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and then there is firmware raid

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🤢

ancient beacon Mar 10, 2021, 10:08 AM

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i like the hardware cache of raidcontrollers ....... better then nothing

turbid finch Mar 10, 2021, 10:09 AM

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why is there just always a muted acc in hangout?

ancient beacon Mar 10, 2021, 10:09 AM

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but again, raid is not a backup solution

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 10:09 AM

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because people are strange

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 10:10 AM

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maybe he has same issue as i had yesterday, finding way out from the hangout 😄

turbid finch Mar 10, 2021, 10:10 AM

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they have never spoken anywhere

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seems normal

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 10:13 AM

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hmmm, I should configure my yubikey to my aws

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and start using some free tier stuff

opaque girder Mar 10, 2021, 10:56 AM

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Azure charged me 0.01 for playing with their storage blobs 🤣

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 11:02 AM

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clear ferry This is why you have two <@!104768700069990400>

stop being lazy, pen and paper won't fail you!

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 11:17 AM

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actually it will

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my handwriting is useless

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@lapis cipher it's printing, lets see if it fails 😄

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 11:39 AM

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clear ferry my handwriting is useless

there is a school that can help you with that..

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https://tenor.com/view/derek-zoolander-read-school-signage-zoolander-gif-17902099

Tenor

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 11:41 AM

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clear ferry and start using some free tier stuff

Free tier is 🔥

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You can do quite a lot before having to pay for anything. Just watch out for the stuff that's free forever vs free for the first X months.

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 11:42 AM

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opaque girder Azure charged me 0.01 for playing with their storage blobs 🤣

atx would let you play with his blobs for free 🤷‍♂️

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lol... and speaking of homelab nerds not understanding backups: https://www.reddit.com/r/zfs/comments/lzgadh/triple_mirror_array_seemingly_dead_im_sweating/

r/zfs - triple mirror array seemingly dead - I'm sweating bullets, ...

0 votes and 66 comments so far on Reddit

opaque girder Mar 10, 2021, 11:46 AM

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deft pewter atx would let you play with his blobs for free 🤷‍♂️

they're probably infected from all the raw meat consumption. I'll pass

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 11:47 AM

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Don't forget all that chemical waste they pass off as cheese.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 11:49 AM

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are you making fun of the brits again ?

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 11:49 AM

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We're not the ones with that brown cheese crap.

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British cheeses are actually really good. Mmm, Wensleydale.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 11:50 AM

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mmmmm brown cheese

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 11:50 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/-gif-4563854

Tenor

Somewhere where there's cheese - Cheese

▶ Play video

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 11:50 AM

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https://tenor.com/oKwC.gif

Tenor

Wallace

▶ Play video

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 11:51 AM

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its from having nothing much else to milk for cheese than goats

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 11:51 AM

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sorry we can't all be milking bulls all day Shrug

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 11:52 AM

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That's okay. You can use the time you save teaching me the ways of homemade NAS 👌

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 11:53 AM

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Don't, you will do it wrong anyways as per opinions by others 🤣

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 11:53 AM

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Meh. If it works, it works.

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 11:54 AM

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its quiet here now as people are busy making their missing backups 😄

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 11:54 AM

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As long as you listen to people with good insights and have a good bullshit filter you'll be fine

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It still lives @lapis cipher https://printing.eirikz.com/

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 11:55 AM

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Is this the Gen8 stuff you were talking about? https://www.ebay.co.uk/c/1554701764 I'm not interested in rack servers, don't have the space for a rack.

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 11:55 AM

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clear ferry sorry we can't all be milking bulls all day <:Shrug:396940824509939713>

bet the only time you ever seen a cow was on some see n say some little girl accidentally dropped in the ocean and washed up on your shores

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 11:55 AM

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The Microserver gen8 is popular I know yes, I don't touch it myself

opaque girder Mar 10, 2021, 11:56 AM

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(it)

forest edge Mar 10, 2021, 11:56 AM

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https://youtu.be/mcHNOOW4ywA

YouTube

ratsk8te

The Cow Says: Moo

WHAT SOUND DOES A COW MAKE. I NEED TO KNOW!

▶ Play video

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 11:56 AM

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Looks like they'd still cost hundreds. Feels like I'd be better off building something myself.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 11:56 AM

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aye

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there is a great UK shop

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hang on

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https://www.mini-itx.com/

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I've ordered from these a few times

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great people

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 11:58 AM

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Cheers, will check them out too. I don't see any bundles though, just components... so looks like a job for PC Part Picker 😄

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 11:58 AM

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they have some pre-put together builds too

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but I have selected the parts I need

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 11:59 AM

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I see prebuilt rack servers and I see barebones for other formats. I must be missing the other prebuilt stuff.

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Fuck, their background is annoying. Those pinstripes flicker every time you scroll.

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Turned off the style in dev tools smart

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lol... cases with optical drives.

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What socket should I look for? I see a lot of anti-AMD sentiment on Reddit for NAS/homelab stuff but I don't know why.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:12 PM

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I run on a 11 year old Intel CPU

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it kills everything I throw at it

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:12 PM

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Cool. Will look at 1151

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128GB RAM, right?

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:13 PM

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🤣

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it helps

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:13 PM

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I'm thinking 16 or 32GB. More just seems silly for something that'll mostly be used for storage.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:13 PM

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well, zfs loves memory

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the more the better for performance

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32 will suffice

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16 will be tight

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:14 PM

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Eh... does it really matter that much for streaming videos? Not even sure where Plex is going to live, might move it to the NAS so I can do stuff with my PC off.

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Let's say Plex was on there and I eventually want 4k movies?

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:15 PM

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I run everything on my truenas

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of media

clever mortar Mar 10, 2021, 12:15 PM

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16 GB RAM is ok for ZFS - my FreeBSD box has that much RAM and even with 8 GB just for ZFS it's doing fine 😄

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More doesn't hurt, sure, but... I'd not say "tight"

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:16 PM

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I only recently filled in the empty slots of my gaming PC and barely notice a difference.

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Mostly, the extra RAM just means Chrome can have more tabs open 🤷‍♂️

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:16 PM

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you'll never regret having more ram

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you will regret having not enough

clever mortar Mar 10, 2021, 12:17 PM

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Yeah, if you're debating go for the next "step" up

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:17 PM

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I';m also trying to do this on a budget. I don't get handed free equipment like you do 😄

clever mortar Mar 10, 2021, 12:17 PM

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Installing half a TB of RAM though is overkill for normal folks 😛

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:18 PM

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Half a TB ?

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what is this ?

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:18 PM

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Storage time... found a nice 6 bay case, probably won't even fill every bay but it's no more expensive than 2/4 bay cases.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:18 PM

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Microservers ?

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https://tenor.com/bdmaI.gif

Tenor

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:18 PM

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1xSSD for the OS, then a few HDD's for storage?

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:18 PM

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Aye, any used 60GB drive will probably suffice

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just do automated backups of config if you are running single drive

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:19 PM

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PC Part Picker is lame. It's suggesting 3200 DDR when the board only supports up to 2666... 🤦‍♂️

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:22 PM

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they don't account for bios updates on the board too if the CPU is too new

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:22 PM

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Hmm. No such thing as a mini-ITX with more than 4xSATA? 😦

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:23 PM

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Probably not without a PCI-e card

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:23 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/robin-williams-gif-6037089

Tenor

what year is it

▶ Play video

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sata?

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😄

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:23 PM

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2U or bust

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yes

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:23 PM

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They don't seem to support NVMe either, so my OS drive is going to eat up a slot.

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Probably would've used a channel anyway, if not a physical slot.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:24 PM

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Small
Flexible
Possibility of growth
Cheap

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choose two

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😄

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:24 PM

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Yeah... I'm not asking for the world. NVMe isn't exactly uncommon now though.

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You'd think they'd include it on small form factor boards because the goal is to build something... small.

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:25 PM

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but the boards are a little bit behind on that one....at least on the itx factor

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but...i mean...the only limiting factor is the case imho

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 12:27 PM

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I found mini itx to always be off the bell curve of value

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:27 PM

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I, one of my favourite bits of PC building:

Some Intel B360 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Coffee Lake Refresh CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.

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Sure, I have a spare CPU lying around for that.

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:27 PM

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sure...

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happened to a neighbor

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:27 PM

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I've done upgrades like that in the field in the middle of generations

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funtimes

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:27 PM

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he ended up ordering a mobo with bios updated flashed by the shop

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add 20€

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yikes

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:28 PM

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Ouch

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I haven't run into it yet but I'd hate to find my parts won't work because the BIOS was a version behind.

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:28 PM

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the alternative was to convince AMD to send a bootkit because asus wasn't much of a help

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they stated "nope, sorry, gotta buy some fancy ROG dogshit for double the price to flash a bios without cpu. kthxbye!"

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:29 PM

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Yeah, that's really shitty

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:29 PM

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and AMD responded "look at this handy troubleshooting guide once more..."

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:30 PM

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Hmm. Before storage, I'm already at £450. So much for coming up with a budget build 😄

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:30 PM

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yeah... i looked for a cheapo mini pc for running HA and stuff and ended up at 500€ sooo i bought a raspi4

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:31 PM

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I have an NUC for HA. £160 or so 🤷‍♂️

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Intel Celeron but it's good enough for everything it's running right now. It's just a sealed box with no drive bays 😄

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:31 PM

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sometimes i over-exaggerate and have to resort to something reasonable

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next step is to replace the dreaded homematic HAP with a CCU...that's going to be a raspi4 again. unfortunately i had no luck getting it to work as an add-on :[

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yeah NUCs...if they were that cheap here... bummer

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:33 PM

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With storage... £800 😦

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:33 PM

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sheesh

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:33 PM

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That's only 4x4TB too.

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:34 PM

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(i wonder how long the ssd will live on my HA...it's a samsung evo 850 120gb at least...hum...)

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:34 PM

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Screw this. Think I'll just continue the current cycle of swapping out a drive in my PC with something bigger each time one fills up.

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Current 4TB drive has been in here for years but I keep having to delete stuff to make room for other stuff.

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:35 PM

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i know that feeling.... maybe a QNAP would be a better fit after all

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:35 PM

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They're still not cheap, especially once you add in the drives.

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:37 PM

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yeah but it's handy.... i mean NAS drives don't cost that much anymore. if you opt for SSDs it's another thing but cheapo spinny drives for a nas is still a valid option

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we're talking home use aren't we?

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:38 PM

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Yes

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Cheapest 4-bay enclosure I can find on Amazon from a decent brand is still around £300. Then you're talking ~£100 per 4TB disk.

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And no ZFS or any of the other fun that comes with TrueNAS.

noble pivot Mar 10, 2021, 12:40 PM

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Not got an old PC you can re-purpose ?

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:43 PM

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Hmm, maybe. Got an old board and CPU lying around.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:43 PM

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I still remember one of my first servers in 1998

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just screwed a old motherboard to the wall

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:43 PM

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what the.....

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:43 PM

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very nice bitchx jump box

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:44 PM

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One bay... pointless 😄

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:44 PM

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https://tenor.com/buXuC.gif

Tenor

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:44 PM

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This claims to be able to transcode two 4k streams at once: https://www.amazon.co.uk/TerraMaster-F2-221-Storage-Network-Diskless/dp/B07JMWT9TQ

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Hadn't heard of that brand until recently but it's got a ton of good reviews.

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But then we're back to £300+ before disks.

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:45 PM

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humm...they mean the USB port on that...?

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:45 PM

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I'm trying to remember which CPU is on this board... 1151 socket 🤔

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:45 PM

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mirai# fdisk -l | grep model
Disk model: WDC WD100EMAZ-00
Disk model: DG0300FAMWN     
Disk model: WDC WD60EDAZ-11U
Disk model: WDC WD100EMAZ-00
Disk model: WDC WD60EDAZ-11U
Disk model: WDC WD20EARS-00M
Disk model: WDC WD60EDAZ-11U
Disk model: WDC WD100EMAZ-00
Disk model: WDC WD100EMAZ-00
Disk model: WDC WD20EARS-00M
Disk model: WDC WD20EURS-63S
Disk model: EG0300FCSPH

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:46 PM

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uh oh..i know it! HPE ~~mini~~ micro server!

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:46 PM

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yes

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:46 PM

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i5-7600K apparently 😄 That'll transcode for Plex, right?

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:47 PM

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It'll do fine donkey

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:47 PM

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I should hope so. It's my previous gaming PC.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:47 PM

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I run with two of these badboys

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X5660

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:48 PM

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Any suggestions for a small-ish case that'll still hold an ATX board and 4+ HDD's? 😄

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:49 PM

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any you can find on the dump will be great

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a minitower will probably be great

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:50 PM

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the wall is a good case as atxbyea already stated.... 😄

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:50 PM

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I could just stack the drives up on my desk 🤷‍♂️

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:50 PM

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add some RGB and it looks like it's intended

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if it shouldn't move, add epoxy

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:51 PM

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NM3_DogDancingRGB

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 12:52 PM

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alright enough dumbing around... next class of dell emc is up 🤮

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 12:53 PM

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dell 🤢

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:54 PM

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HPE 🤢

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No video card, right? Onboard graphics is enough for troubleshooting and I'll be going headless the rest of the time.

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 12:59 PM

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What's the correct ratio of valium and whiskey to put a toddler to sleep?

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 12:59 PM

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2 pills for every pint.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 1:12 PM

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yes

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:13 PM

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I think this is the best I can do with the bits I already have: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/monotone2k/saved/#view=kxNshM

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Still almost £600... 😢

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£300 of that is the drives. £300 for something to put them in. That Terramaster enclosure is looking tempting... just feels like something I build myself will be more powerful.

vague pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:15 PM

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Hi
Running home assistant on rpi3b. Planning to upgrade. Any pointers to which way sho uld I go Odroid N2+ or rpi4 8gb? Anyone having experience.

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 1:15 PM

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deft pewter 2 pills for every pint.

Pint of whiskey

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 1:15 PM

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or anything else than an odroid or rpi

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 1:15 PM

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https://c.tenor.com/V6yqiCbYeX0AAAAM/the-fresh-prince-of-bel-air-will-smith.gif

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:17 PM

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You measure your whiskey in some other unit? Crazy Aussies.

last cedar Mar 10, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Bah. I ended up getting another fitbit. Would really like to have seen an iwatch that had better batter life that worked with android, so I guess a half assed activity watch will have to do

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Amazfit bip yes

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 1:20 PM

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deft pewter You measure your whiskey in some other unit? Crazy Aussies.

When it's $60+ for 700ml 80proof we do

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:21 PM

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For that much, I could get a half-decent bottle here.

clever mortar Mar 10, 2021, 1:21 PM

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$60 gets you a reasonable bottle, or at least a glass of something nice

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:21 PM

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£15-20 gets you a cheap bottle by the more common brands.

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Haha. I couldn't tell the difference between a $60 glass and a $60 bottle...

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As long as it's not some supermarket brand, I'm good.

clever mortar Mar 10, 2021, 1:22 PM

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£10 gets you a cheap bottle 😛

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 1:22 PM

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johnny walker should be enough

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:22 PM

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I'm still waiting for that bottle of Blue Label you said you were sending me, Adrian.

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 1:23 PM

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$55 on special

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 1:23 PM

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see,,,that's a big mistake...neverheard of blue label

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only gold label

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:23 PM

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Hah. Jim Bean is the cheap stuff here. That's nuts.

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I'll accept gold label too... but it'll taste the same to me 😄

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 1:23 PM

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That's tax inclusive though

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 1:23 PM

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you should see our norway prices, especially if you go out on the town

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:23 PM

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Our prices are all tax inclusive too 🤷‍♂️

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 1:24 PM

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Unlike Americans

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 1:24 PM

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last I was out a shot of whisky that wasn't horsepiss was £12 per

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 1:24 PM

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norway prices is freezing blood in the veins

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:24 PM

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hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 1:24 PM

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Oofph

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Is that 40% too

clever mortar Mar 10, 2021, 1:24 PM

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See, I could get a bottle of Jura for that

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:24 PM

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Think the bottle says 37%. I cba zooming.

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 1:25 PM

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Thereabouts

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:25 PM

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But yeah, it's a regular bottle of whiskey...

opaque girder Mar 10, 2021, 1:25 PM

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You are gonna neeed your Tesco card for that price lol

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 1:25 PM

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You should see the cost of a carton of premixed

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:25 PM

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£18.50 is the price without a card. The card costs nothing, it's just one of those loyalty cards where they track your purchases and sell your data.

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Under £20 for a 'name brand' of whiskey is pretty normal here. You could go under £10 for some really cheap shit.

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 1:26 PM

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Are you ready

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:26 PM

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The ones with 'Glen' in their name might be closer to £30.

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 1:26 PM

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teacher rullz

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:26 PM

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Vintage, a little more.

last cedar Mar 10, 2021, 1:26 PM

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Battery is shot on my old fitbit and garmins sleep tracking is meant to be hit and miss (and device costs between 50 and 100 euro more)

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 1:26 PM

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https://www.vinmonopolet.no/Land/USA/Jim-Beam-Rye/p/553301

vinmonopolet.no

Jim Beam Rye

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 1:27 PM

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$7.80 for a single 330ml can of premixed whiskey and dey

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$100+ for a 24 carton

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There's a reason I drink wine if I have to pay for it

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 1:28 PM

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give me something that I can actually check the price of

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that you have

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 1:28 PM

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$6/bottle

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 1:28 PM

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because none of your nonsense shows up in my catalogues 🤣

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:29 PM

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You can't get Jura there?

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Glenfiddich is pretty well known, try that.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 1:29 PM

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https://www.vinmonopolet.no/Land/Skottland/Jura-18-YO/p/10329001

vinmonopolet.no

Jura 18 YO

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How about this one

hearty depot Mar 10, 2021, 1:29 PM

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my wine cost 3.99€ the bottle thanks hofer 🇦🇹

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 1:29 PM

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only 1190 NOK

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:29 PM

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What's that in GBP?

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 1:30 PM

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£102

hearty depot Mar 10, 2021, 1:30 PM

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and €

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 1:30 PM

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£74: https://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/p/42532/jura-18-year-old-red-wine-finish

Jura 18 Year Old - Red Wine Finish Scotch Whisky : The Whisky Exchange

Softly smoky and packed with rich fruit flavour, Jura 18 sits at the top of the Jura range. Aged for 18 years in bourbon casks before a finish in red wine casks, this carefully balances the distill...

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 1:30 PM

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€119

hearty depot Mar 10, 2021, 1:30 PM

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uuugg

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 1:30 PM

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and AUD183

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let's throw in the most ridicoulous currency too

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140USD

hearty depot Mar 10, 2021, 1:31 PM

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more expensive then I thourght, best I can get here is ~ 100€

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thourght the taxes hitting harder

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~75€ in 🇩🇪

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 1:32 PM

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I can't get that here

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A$94

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Nvm

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Why though

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winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 1:34 PM

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drink water

hearty depot Mar 10, 2021, 1:34 PM

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nah

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does not make stupid

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 1:35 PM

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I barely pay for alcohol anymore

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Between work and work

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The best alcohol is free alcohol

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 1:36 PM

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I have barely drunk any alcohol the last year

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If I've done it it has only been for work travel

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And reimbursable

hushed basalt Mar 10, 2021, 1:37 PM

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I'm going to miss being able to catch public transport all the way home

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Ill have to uber home from the train station if I drink after work

hearty depot Mar 10, 2021, 1:37 PM

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getting a old sad fuck.. 2 days headaks at least

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 1:40 PM

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ah nice

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got hearthstone running through wine

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so I can do something constructive in meetings

hearty depot Mar 10, 2021, 1:41 PM

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check out gloriouseggroll proton

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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I decided to start playing with azure

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already got my first VM up and running

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within 5 minutes of creating an azure account

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 2:28 PM

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That's really impressive.

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Someone came up with a cloud solution that even atx can use.

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 2:29 PM

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SEE YOU NEXT TUESDAY

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even got up some proper firewall rules and yubikey auth

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noice

last cedar Mar 10, 2021, 2:38 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

Tenor

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https://tenor.com/view/shaq-cat-shaquille-o-neal-shaq-shake-shaq-shimmy-gif-4882069

Tenor

dusky plank Mar 10, 2021, 3:09 PM

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lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 3:26 PM

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This is the right stuff, forget that pee-colored scheisse 🤣

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 3:41 PM

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well it turns out dell (force10) is just cisco after all

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:41 PM

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Tom of Finland looks like Freddy of Mercury

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 3:41 PM

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they just slapped a different label on it

gusty wraith Mar 10, 2021, 3:42 PM

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dusky plank

that'll be me in 30 years 😄

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 3:42 PM

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well, they shared the same interest but more interestingly (?) they seem to have died on the same year.. Hmm, was Tom actually Freddy or viceversa??

dusky plank Mar 10, 2021, 3:50 PM

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gusty wraith that'll be me in 30 years 😄

challenge accepted

last dirge Mar 10, 2021, 3:55 PM

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I don't know what to think about that video

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 3:56 PM

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somebody got keys to medicine locker..

last cedar Mar 10, 2021, 6:10 PM

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I fits, therefore I am

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 6:13 PM

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wife is teaching facepalm to our dog

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 6:14 PM

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Every time it sees you?

static schooner Mar 10, 2021, 6:14 PM

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<dab>

lapis cipher Mar 10, 2021, 6:30 PM

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i'll let you know.. Still on the first steps but as he is a border collie it takes no time to master that skill

shadow wren Mar 10, 2021, 6:30 PM

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Mar10 day

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 6:41 PM

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Uh. Okay.

hoary canyon Mar 10, 2021, 6:42 PM

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Got three of these for $83 😄

dusky plank Mar 10, 2021, 6:42 PM

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he's right. weird day, i posted in the wrong channel, 3 times in one day.

night night Mar 10, 2021, 8:47 PM

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Hi, where should I put my question about MQTT and Tasmota?

clever mortar Mar 10, 2021, 8:47 PM

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#integrations-archived

night night Mar 10, 2021, 8:47 PM

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Thanks

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 9:09 PM

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hmm...mono didn't answer at door and my whisky gold label jack is coming back 😦

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:18 PM

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Liar. I have a notification for when someone rings my doorbell 😄

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 9:21 PM

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no no no ... i heard your wifi is not good outside your house

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and i guess u must change doorbell

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:22 PM

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Haha. It's RF 😉

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 9:22 PM

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take that rf model out of service

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:)))

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:22 PM

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Works better than all that WiFi nonsense.

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 9:22 PM

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rf...and how u....shelly ?

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:22 PM

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Sonoff RF Bridge to listen to it. Can even use ESPHome on them now 😄

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 9:23 PM

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sound smart

deft pewter Mar 10, 2021, 9:24 PM

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It's really dumb... which is why it's so reliable.

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I don't want one of those internet-connected pieces of crap 😄

winter wren Mar 10, 2021, 9:24 PM

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i want to build some aqara button + google mini nest

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as soon as workers finish the kitchen

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is cheaper than lipntech mijia + sonoff bridge

subtle pasture Mar 10, 2021, 9:56 PM

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clear ferry already got my first VM up and running

Welcome to Hyper-V 😄

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 10:17 PM

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🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢

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I've worked with hyper-v since 2008 though

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Will never like it

subtle pasture Mar 10, 2021, 10:21 PM

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You were literally just using it... wtf do you think Azure VMs run on?

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 10:27 PM

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I know that

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That said, Microsoft do run esxi in azure too

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🤣

subtle pasture Mar 10, 2021, 10:28 PM

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You hardcore enough to run your own on-prem Azure node?

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 10:29 PM

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Eh, I did actually install azure on prem for customers a few years back

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Can't remember the name of the product anyhow

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They all returned it

subtle pasture Mar 10, 2021, 10:30 PM

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Sounds like they didn't understand what they were buying

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 10:31 PM

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Microsoft are known for trying to get shitty stuff going at costumer sites though

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Like storage spaces

unkempt sage Mar 10, 2021, 10:31 PM

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atxbeya really, they run ESXi themselves or they run it for "migrators" trying to get onto Azure ? (a la AWS-VMware initiative to run your VMware infra in AWS like a lunatic)

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 10:31 PM

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subtle pasture Mar 10, 2021, 10:32 PM

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clear ferry Like storage spaces

Storage spaces is wicked powerful, though 😮

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Ever actually used a Storage Spaces Direct cluster on a hyper-converged blade server cluster?

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Shit's amazing

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Sure, just everyone who has ever tried to implement it on prem have used 2 years or given up

subtle pasture Mar 10, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Sounds like the same people that would give up on ZFS...

unkempt sage Mar 10, 2021, 10:34 PM

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i dont gegt it : you either run on-prem, or run in cloud, or run hybrid, bu this shit of running an on-prem setup IN the cloud ('cos just") is nonsensical to me

clear ferry Mar 10, 2021, 10:34 PM

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I've had xSPs with 12 node storage spaces direct clusters just give up, because shit broke

subtle pasture Mar 10, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Though ZFS is actually less-capable than Storage Spaces Direct