#the-water-cooler

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clear ferry
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But anything is possible

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You can just do time based release, based on assumptions

lapis cipher
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Yeah, i've mixed it for now manually, simply quantities, a pump with regular speed can do the very same. But nerd as i am i'd like to actually meter the solution, pH the obvious but others maybe too, need to do some research

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I happen to know the Finnish chili maestro Fatalii who is all into hydroponics (so are commercial ones, too), need to bug him with some stupid questions i suppose

clear ferry
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I have a 5m² one

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Which is slightly lifted

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Last years tomatoes

last cedar
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Raccoons like tomatoes

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Technically we like anything that is free

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But especially atxs tomatoes

clear ferry
lapis cipher
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Just about same-sized, too small but since i've had off-seasons i probably shouldn't invest into much larger (thought its good storage over winter..)

clear ferry
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If I buy a new house I'll build a greenhouse from scratch

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Something in the 10-12m² size

lapis cipher
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Dodih, sent bunch of questions to the Master, next i should find that one manufacturer with some semi-affordable sensors (still like > $50 a piece or so)

clear ferry
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DIY yes

lapis cipher
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Already also ordered some random china soil moisture sensors, they might be all shit but at least they were just about free. Some more pumps would be needed still, i will not have a running water on the greenhouse (running as in, available at any time but only under control) as the regular garden hose crap isn't guaranteed to not fall apart at any given moment

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I should probably stop, already looking into recycling waste water into garden usage.. We have perfectly functioning piping for the crap.. 😄

burnt cave
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does android still do call merging?

late gate
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I wondered why channel 1 was so flooded and the kindergarden next door installed "a couple of" ap points

clear ferry
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I can hardly recieve any of my neighbours APs unless I am trying really hard

winter wren
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norway has a very dense population per square km

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so your next neighbour is 500 m? 800 m?

clear ferry
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15m in either direction

winter wren
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that's little

subtle pasture
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In which case, ideally, you wouldn't be able to see that many APs from next-door because their transmit power would be super low

late gate
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the kindergarden is 20m from the house

clear ferry
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Two neighborhoods in the middle of farmland where I live

late gate
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why would they need 13 ap points?

subtle pasture
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Some mesh wifi systems deploy one AP per room. You see them in a lot of schools, hospitals, and hotels.

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However, if you crank the transmit power on all of them, they just interfere with one another... it has to be tuned

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It almost looks like they installed a mesh and maxed the transmit power >_>

winter wren
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u have forrest across the street atx? nice...very nice and healthy

clear ferry
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Most of Norway and Sweden are forests

winter wren
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i know from geography...but still

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good for you

clear ferry
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And I get gigabit fiber here

late gate
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im happy my zigbee is on ch 25 lol

clear ferry
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🤣

late gate
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nobody using ch 11 here by some weird reason

winter wren
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also ch 25 here...maybe due to livolo i might have to migrate to 26

subtle pasture
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If I had to guess, they have 13 of these going

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Neat little devices for a retrofit, and they'll pass-through PoE so you can still use something like a VoIP phone on the port it takes up on the wall

dusky plank
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put those kids offline, wth

clear ferry
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My daughter has now started using voice control

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🤣

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"hey Google, Peppa pig"

late gate
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I have unifi also though

subtle pasture
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We've had people who seem qualified, but can't type on a friggen keyboard to save their lives

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It's weird watching a young person hunt and peck on a keyboard. I grew up watching older people have that struggle...

clear ferry
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What in tarnation

subtle pasture
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They're used to touchscreens, swype, predictive text, and voice control

bitter pawn
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consolepeasants!

clear ferry
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I have used Swype for close to a decade, I can still type thankfully 🤣

burnt cave
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those kids are gonna be in for it when they have to get a job where they have to use a real computer 😛

bitter pawn
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^

subtle pasture
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@clear ferry Same. In one performance review I was actually told that I need to slow the fuck down in Teams channels because I can, apparently, just type-circles around other people, and they feel like they can't get a word in...

burnt cave
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I know some younger people who have no idea how to type on a keyboard

subtle pasture
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I'm like "it's text, not voice... they can just enter their text whenever they finish typing it..."

burnt cave
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it's painful to watch

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I have the hand posture of a gremlin and I can still hit 100+ wpm

bitter pawn
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^

subtle pasture
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"Weaklings, they'd never survive in a Discord server"

bitter pawn
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its not hard to do 60-80wpm

burnt cave
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I was trained using text chat in vidya as a kid

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gotta type fast or you'll die

bitter pawn
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takes some time and effort, but not impossible.

hearty depot
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lol, fighting with grub. cant get a deam console
take this

subtle pasture
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I feel like I picked up a lot of speed when I started participating in IRC chatrooms

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Because some of those can move fast as fuck

bitter pawn
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nods

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usually those are the best ones to speed up your typing speeds

subtle pasture
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Helps that people will actively give you shit for typos, and you CANNOT correct them with IRC

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😛

bitter pawn
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IRC, directconnect, discord, various chat clients.

burnt cave
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speaking of, has anyone tried alternative kb layouts and stuck to them?

bitter pawn
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not really no.

burnt cave
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I've tried dvorak multiple times but the messed up keyboard shortcuts always killed productivity

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raw typing speed gets faster

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shortcuts get way slower

lapis cipher
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nope, i usually go with any defaults with all the stuff because if i customize anything the very next box will be again default

subtle pasture
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My boss still doesn't understand the importance of a good keyboard, somehow. Another employee was requesting a mechanical keyboard, and bossman was acting all aghast at the $150 pricetag.
I had made a similar request, was also denied, and bought my own keyboard... so you bet I made a point of explaining what a worthwhile investment that keyboard was for my productivity.

bitter pawn
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nods

subtle pasture
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Bossman still doesn't get it

burnt cave
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my keyboard is uhhhhh

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somewhere north of $300

subtle pasture
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yeah, $150 isn't even that expensive for a mech

burnt cave
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some of the best money I've ever spent

bitter pawn
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i paid $70 for mine

burnt cave
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there is a specific rare layout I like

bitter pawn
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tesoro excalibur RGB with brown mech

lapis cipher
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colleague had keyboard with no key marks of any kind

subtle pasture
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Das Keyboard?

bitter pawn
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cheapest one i could find. and they have lasted.

burnt cave
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95%

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wait no

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not 95% that still has numpad

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I can't remember

subtle pasture
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I have a CODE 104 v2, with Cherry MX Clear switches, at home and at work

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I've had the one at home significantly longer... it's about time for new keycaps

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I need some good double-shot keycaps that are backlight compatible

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Heh, price has gone up a bit...

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Blends in well at the office, though

burnt cave
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this is the one I have

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it would not blend in well at the office

forest edge
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ew short keyboards

cedar chasm
burnt cave
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I rarely use numpad

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got a separate usb one off to the left

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would rather have my arms closer together

clear ferry
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I still want a Microsoft Natural Elite Pro again

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I hope they come in reissues

subtle pasture
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@cedar chasm Same. The CODE 104 is actually a special edition of keyboard from WASD, so any WASD parts will fit on it.

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I liked the design and lack of need for any additional management software. It actually has a set of DIP switches on the back to set up the keyboard

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So you can change the functionality of caps lock, the windows keys, scroll lock, the function key, media keys, and even change between 4 different layouts, in-hardware

dusky plank
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(4+6)/2 = 5
orly?

subtle pasture
cedar chasm
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Well, if this Teamsocracy we

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've been placed under continues

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I might get a mechanical keyboard

subtle pasture
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It's kinda' amazing how quickly everyone jumped from Slack to Teams...

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it very quickly went from "I dunno, this is a new product that's still technically in preview, and Slack is pretty entrenched..."

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to "roll it out to everyone as quickly as possible. They're already paying for Microsoft 365 after all!"

cedar chasm
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I never really understood why Slack made any waves

subtle pasture
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It was free

cedar chasm
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Granted I don't understand many trends

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but it always seemed like someone got management onboard with chatrooms for the office

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Slack as an information store, never felt intuitive

subtle pasture
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Oh no, it's terrible for that

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Teams has a major advantage there, because every team is a Sharepoint site with its own storage and exchange calendar / mailbox

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So you get file/document storage and management automatically, just by making a new team to chat in

lapis cipher
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Slack was superior to Teams but corporate shit wins

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Nowadays its pretty alright but it was buggy beta when i had to jump into it

cedar chasm
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Don't know when this was in Slack's development cycle, but I used it at work 2016 to 2018

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Basically Discord for the workforce

subtle pasture
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Except Discord's client isn't slow AF...

cedar chasm
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no disrespect to this wonderful platform that is facilitating our chat this very moment

subtle pasture
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I know Discord, Teams, and Slack are all Electron apps, but for whatever reason, Discord and Teams are significantly faster than Slack

cedar chasm
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Teams has limitless Azure resources I suppose

wet pilot
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heh i got a Slack engineer to admit to me that the resource usage of slack is bad

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apparently a lot of them use a cli client instead

cedar chasm
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Confidence inspiring 😂

wet pilot
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its not entirely their fault though. electron be mem hungry

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'cause chrome

subtle pasture
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Yeah, though (at least on Windows) RAM deduplication means each additional electron app, after the first one, uses a lot less RAM than one would normally expect

wet pilot
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doesn't seem like apple does that XD

dusky plank
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apple doesn't explicitly free memory, it just keeps stuff in there and replaces it when needed

subtle pasture
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That's generally how Windows operates as well, because it accelerates application re-launch

clear ferry
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Smart cache

subtle pasture
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Windows Cache is a bit different, as it also involves a prefetcher

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It pre-populates RAM with libraries you haven't even opened yet, because it knows you use them often

dusky plank
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Gestapo OS you say

clear ferry
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Neeein

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Neein

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Nein

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One of the funniest cases I ever troubleshot was a case where video streams never got written to disk, or the files were corrupted

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Turns out windows was caching 10 IP cameras to ram, before flushing them to disk, but since the cache battery was defective the write performance was shite

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So windows filled memory up to 128G

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But... It couldn't flush it fast enough to disk

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So it just dropped all the streams

dusky plank
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like those cheap 1tb usb sticks? FIFO ftw

subtle pasture
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Sounds more like a problem with the capture software than with Windows, tbh

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it's pretty easy to write capture software that has zero flow control. lol

clear ferry
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The difference in performance with write cache is interesting, on my old G4 it was 5.5MBps to 6xSCSI drives without write cache, and 55MBps with cache

subtle pasture
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Yeah, caching writes allows the OS to batch them, and write the data in the most efficient order possible

burnt cave
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just cache everything in SRAM

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nobody needs more than 512kb anyway

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:^)

clear ferry
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You SRAMA Queen

burnt cave
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just think, one day we'll be able to make computers small enough to fit inside your house

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the blazing speeds of the PDP8 in the home office wowee

clear ferry
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Sash don't speak about the PDPs, @forest edge doesn't believe in 12 or 18 bit computers

subtle pasture
burnt cave
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my L1 is 512k

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I think total it's like 40MB or so?

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ryzen 3800x

clear ferry
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The xeons have had 40MB for years

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Might be more now I think

burnt cave
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my 10 year old xeons have 20MB

subtle pasture
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Heh, just compared my Core i7 5960x against a 10900k... both have 20MB of cache

burnt cave
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I have 2 of them though

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so technically 40 lol

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ah here we go

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$300 to watercool $150 of hardware lol

forest edge
bitter pawn
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country roooooooooooaaaads take me hooooooooooooome

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bitter pawn
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we deal with it in other channels

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😄

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to the plaaaaaaaace I beloooooooooong

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west virginiaaaaaaa mountain mamaaaaaaaa

hardy rain
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LOL

static schooner
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that pic cracks me up

last dirge
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anybody know what search terms I could use to find a USB power bank that will act as a battery backup

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meaning it charges when it's got input voltage but always powers things that are plugged into it

analog wren
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+-`+````````````````````````````````````````````

dusky plank
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exactly my words

last cedar
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Don't neglect airflow to that little silver heatsink, those get hot

burnt cave
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it's cool enough to touch

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not too worried

last cedar
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Looks like a 2011 system. So not as bad as 1366 was

burnt cave
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it's right behind an exhaust fan too

last cedar
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Blow warm air on it. Good idea!

marsh scaffold
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@last dirge a power bank that works like a UPS? USB UPS?

burnt cave
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lol

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the block mounts are 3d printed too

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cause there's fucking nothing available in 2011 narrow ILM

last cedar
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This is why god invented zip ties

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Universal cpu cooler mount

hearty depot
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works aswell for GPU's

last cedar
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Yeah. Woodern sticks, super glue. All great stuff

clear ferry
dusky plank
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you can just tell me when you visit austria @clear ferry

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no need to hide

clear ferry
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I will

lapis cipher
marsh scaffold
lapis cipher
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Maybe its just my assumption they'd be all passthru all the time, maybe i got lucky (didn't purchase powerbank for this exactly but tried it out and it works fine with constant charging), yet another ugly setup 😄

hushed basalt
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Most powerbanks need to be turned on as well

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And will turn off after a certain amount of time with no load

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I'd say that's the bigger trap

subtle pasture
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Hmm, none of my Anker power banks are like that

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Now that I think about it, none of them even have a power button

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They just auto-sense load

clear ferry
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Same for mine

dusky plank
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that baseus power bank also works this way

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can be used as "ups" - but I hate constantly powered batteries

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and batteries also hate "this trick"

clear ferry
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Since I paid $70 for a proper ups, I couldn't really care 🤣

lapis cipher
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I don't fancy the powerbank setup either but that works until i get the stuff evacuated. And no, that does NOT run the thing we're here for.. 🙂

dusky plank
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so it runs homeseer, betrayal huh?

dull chasm
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@clever mortar I can pull u out of mud now

clever mortar
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It looks too clean 😛

lapis cipher
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I heard there's mud in a spraycan sold in one continent for wannabe-offroaders 😄

dull chasm
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No doubt tires where just put on 1400 dollars worth

lapis cipher
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looks good to me 🤘

dull chasm
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Thanks

clever mortar
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It is shiny, has to be said

dull chasm
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Yea wife washes too much It’s too damn funny she has to use step stool for hood

lapis cipher
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i just damaged my wifes car ~hour ago, i'm pretty pissed off, should probably stay away from all media for a moment to avoid verbal explosion..

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I blame her of course since she stole my car as hers is a bit broken.. I'm better fine damaging my own property..

low harness
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Shit happens.

clear ferry
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$1400 for tires is regular tires for a regular car here

lapis cipher
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I don't wonder, your prices are rather high compared to neighboring countries (super expensive for me to travel to/in Norway)

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These are ~1000 piece, must say not the most comfortable ones for the road but works brilliantly offroad

dull chasm
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@clear ferry well yall are getting screwed

clear ferry
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Touché

clever mortar
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It'd be about $400 to get regular tyres on a standard car here

dull chasm
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thats prolly on the cheap end here ...normal 600 to 800

clever mortar
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Yeah, a quality set will be closer to that

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Last time I got good all season tyres fitted it was around $700

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Could have got lesser ones for less, but ... I'd rather keep the car on the road in "not ideal" conditions

lapis cipher
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Good tires save from/on many situations so its a good investment

clever mortar
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Yup, every time the cold weather comes I get demonstrations why skimping on tyres is foolish - from those that did

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It's always fun watching somebody slide their vehicle all over the place while you're having no real problems

lapis cipher
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Nothing can save stupid people doing stupid things 😦 Hurry is a self-caused problem as well, there's really no excuse for leaving late, mistake has happen already earlier

merry marlin
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Added the light group to itself >:)

rare condor
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Hacker Terminal for programming HASS?

subtle pasture
clear ferry
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One of my systems are used to do calculations on covid

merry marlin
last cedar
clear ferry
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Yes, your supercomputers suck

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Because I haven't installed any of them

last cedar
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We have a single super meatball I think

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Which is used for the entite governments brains

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And folkhälsomyndigheten

clear ferry
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I know of... Three in Sweden, none are public

last cedar
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Three meatballs?

last dirge
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@lapis cipher my Anker won't charge and output at the same time

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shiiiit

last cedar
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It has shit the bed

last dirge
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thanks, brownouts

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feels dumb buying a 32GB SD card to put in a Pi

dusky plank
last cedar
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Tbh, don't use a pi

dusky plank
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I use pi sice I started HA, no troubles

last dirge
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I must use a Pi

dusky plank
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but I don't have storage on that thing 🤷‍♂️

last dirge
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my HA instance is on an i7 NUC 😉

last cedar
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I have also been using a pi, my ha is on a pi.

They are great, just not sure they should be for anything critical

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Oh

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I know why it broke then

last dirge
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I think I'm gonna try a SSD

last cedar
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It sprinklered itself

last dirge
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it's a pi 2

dusky plank
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boot them off of nfs, be safe for eva

last cedar
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Can pi 2 ssd?

last dirge
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you have to have a micro SD with a bootfile on it

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it'll never write to it, so it should be good to go

dusky plank
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you can also setup overlay FS for readonly using raspi-config

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I have a pi2 running with rpi-readonly, power gets pulled every day (smartplug)
it's fine since > 2 years

last dirge
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well, if I boot from a SSD and the SD card gets nuked, I don't really give a shit

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put a "new" micro SD card in it and boot it up again

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and since it's only gotta have a single file on it, I can use old ones I've got laying around and it won't matter

vagrant patio
lapis cipher
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I kinda felt bad having to purchase a new microsd for few raspis i've got for free.. Also they were way too big for the need but couldn't find much old cards around

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(yes, i'm cheap-ass)

clear ferry
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Pi

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🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢

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@lapis cipher just do pxe boot yes

last cedar
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Boot freenas via pxe

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But the pxe boot info is located on the freenas you are trying to boot smart

lapis cipher
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i made something such when the esxi was new and hot, datastore with freenas given to vms and that didn't end well after rebooting the host. Then again it was homelab and i knew it would happen, it was these "because you can" thingies

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had pxe infra earlier (ran live cd's over it, installation media, wols and what not) but after that server died i pretty much shut down all the operations at home, got bored tweaking the stuff and had not much need either anymore

cedar chasm
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@lapis cipher I feel bad for bringing this up, but your current avatar almost turns my stomach every time I see it

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I apologize profusely

lapis cipher
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😄 blame that other guy above 😄

cedar chasm
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Well obviously

lapis cipher
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"it was the nearest available avatar" 😄 I'm open for something funnier

cedar chasm
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He has a lot to answer for

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Nah, you should do you 🙂

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It's all good

lapis cipher
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ruthless copyright infringement, better?

cedar chasm
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Yes, sorry, really really sorry

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I infringe on copyright as well

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we'll all go down together!

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Anyways, I owe you one.
You can cash in a favor later

last dirge
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I wrote some vsphere automation software at a gig I was at a while ago

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you could pick what type of stuff you wanted on a box and it would spin up a VM on demand, PXE install it, then throw Saltstack stuff at it to configure whatever you had chosen earlier

lapis cipher
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Nice. My approach was foreman+puppet, the role was configured and then it created a pxe-config for the vm to be provisioned and rest handles puppet once the vm is booted up

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On another project a bit similar approach for fully automated openstack deployments. It used vmware for non-compute nodes and hw for computes, it installed all the pieces required for the cloud (and its plenty) and of course configured as well. The manual part on the deployment was the need to define the mac addresses for the hw boxes, possibly that could have been somehow automated as well (like, recognize vendor-prefix for mac and make assumptions based on that)

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oh, saltstack was acquired by vmware

last dirge
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this was like 7 years ago now

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it was for self-service VPC setup for developers

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they click a few buttons, upload a WAR file and it'd send an email when it was done saying "here's your thing"

clear ferry
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Netbootxyz has shown great value in my lab

last dirge
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also had stuff built in to spin stuff down to storage during the nights to lower run costs

burnt cave
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anyone have ways to fall asleep fast that don't involve heroic amounts of substance abuse?

last cedar
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Concussion

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Forbidden sleep

burnt cave
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hmm

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a viable solution to be sure

last dirge
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4-7-8 breathing

lapis cipher
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be here for a moment 😄

burnt cave
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i usually just stare at the back of my eyelids for several hours and think about math or every embarrassing thing I've done since I was a child

clever mortar
burnt cave
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i suspect I may have delayed sleep phase disorder

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i have insurance now so I could probably actually get tested for that

clever mortar
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No reason not to

burnt cave
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if I just let myself sleep when I'm tired, I fall into a 5am-1pm sleep cycle and sleep like a baby

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but that doesn't work with the vast majority of jobs

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good thing I'm self employed for now

clever mortar
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Yeah, I used to work with somebody who had a natural body clock out of sync with the normal day, who'd rock into work around lunchtime and work late

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Confused the hell out of some folks, but... the job got done, so who cares

burnt cave
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I wish I could be that picky

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entry level jobs really like you to be there 9-5

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night shift was 👌

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would def do again

clever mortar
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Well, to be fair, they started on the "normal" hours, but just asked ...

burnt cave
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my least favorite parts is having to to sleep when the birds wake up

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my neighbors have a rooster

last cedar
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I normally fall asleep quick. But if I can't, nothing wrong with going and doing painting at 4am

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To say we spend a lot of time doing it, we are pretty shit at sleeping

hushed basalt
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It's easy to sleep in a trash can though

clear ferry
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Get kids

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You'll fall asleep easily at night

hushed basalt
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If they do

clear ferry
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And be awake early

hushed basalt
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Only if you leave the dungeon door open

last cedar
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Got kids

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Didn't help

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Made it worse tbh

clear ferry
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Doesn't count if you stole them

last cedar
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I didn't

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I acquired them

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It isn't stealing if you acquire

lapis cipher
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that's btw bullshit when people say "when you get kids you'll start waking up early" - their schedule is exactly as you make it.

hushed basalt
last cedar
subtle pasture
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ESXi running virtual FreeNAS, which served as a datastore for ESXi

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And then they Storage-vMotioned the FreeNAS VM onto the datastore being hosted by FreeNAS

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Which worked absolutely fine until a host reboot...

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Untangling storage-ception was a massive bitch

rare condor
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Feeling validated: My forum reply on Home Assistant forum got 24 ❤️'s . 🙂

hardy rain
subtle pasture
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ESXi doesn't really intend for you to use local storage, and has no built-in software RAID of its own

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So you usually deploy it with a hardware RAID controller, or network-attached storage (like a SAN)

rare condor
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It does sound very unsustainable and woeful

subtle pasture
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Well, genius decided they wanted to have FreeNAS act as a SAN... locally...

rare condor
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Mind you my Reverse Proxy for Proxmox runs in a container, so I can't access it until that starts up and Firewall prevents direct access

subtle pasture
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Never mind that keeping ZFS running at the speeds required for virtualization workloads took up about half of the host's resources

rare condor
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ZFS could work fine in that context if optimized, often people just leave default blocksizes and don't tune for workflows

subtle pasture
#

My reverse proxy for ESXi/vCenter runs in a VM as well, but all it's doing for those is SSL offloading for LetsEncrypt

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So I can still hop on my management VLAN and access vCenter by IP address

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I'll just get a SSL warning, because there's no reverse proxy to slap my LetsEncrypt cert on it

rare condor
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I have a werid setup, all my instances are SSL encrypted but non have internet access and the proxy is just a stream passthrough

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It's like that due to legacy decisions from 5 years ago

subtle pasture
#

I mean, you can always define an additional management IP/interface, and put a better solution on that

rare condor
#

I'm lazy though 😉

subtle pasture
#

That's the lazy way to fix it 😛

#

Because it's really going to suck if that VM fails to become available for any reason...

rare condor
#

I might just put everything on the default vlan and remove all passwords for increased lazy access.

subtle pasture
#

Reminds me of the old Hyper-V problem where you couldn't virtualize your last domain controller, because otherwise your cluster couldn't come up

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They fixed that pretty early on, though

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What we usually do for clients with flat networks is create a new VLAN for workstations (potentially one per department), move a few ports into the new VLAN, and the test to see what routes and ACLs are required for them to operate

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Because having SalesBro on the same VLAN/subnet as the servers is... not a great setup

hushed basalt
#

I haven't touched my lab in months

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Don't have the time or energy for it at the moment

rare condor
#

😦

hushed basalt
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I still need to buy 4 more 8tbs and rejig my backup strategy

safe tundra
#

Question. This is something new. Happen on my PC and now on my phone. How do I get ride of the white background

static schooner
safe tundra
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Thanks

velvet horizonBOT
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mossy nymph
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Wow over a year of being away from home assistant and everything has changed. its a brand new service almost

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none of my entities work nor scripts lol. fresh restart im guessing is the easiest way

last cedar
#

@subtle pasture lots of things you can do with computers. And lots of those you should definately not do 🤣

subtle pasture
#

Hmm?

clear ferry
#

People == shit

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I had a customer run a 3par storage system, and he did backup of the 3par to the same 3par to save money

subtle pasture
#

@last cedar You referring to the Alexa / Home Assistant / Tasmota powered Hitachi Magic Wand I made? 🤣

last cedar
#

Perhaps!

subtle pasture
#

Or the horrible virtualized FreeNAS datastore situation?

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Literally had to spin up a new FreeNAS VM to mount the ZFS volume to recover the original FreeNAS VM...

last cedar
#

Sounds about normal over at homelab :)

clear ferry
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I saw a guy yesterday

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Ran zfs on an odroid

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With 6 usb devices

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And 2GB RAM

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24TB of storage

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"yeah I just capped arc to 512MB"

subtle pasture
#

So, my office figured out why the internet has been so spotty lately...

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Apparently a tree had grown up and around the wire bringing it into the building. The wire was so tight that you could pluck it like a guitar string. No slack left in it

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The tree is blocking access to the pole, so the tree has to be trimmed before Comcast can even assess the damage

clear ferry
#

What kind of wire was this? Copper,

subtle pasture
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Comcast coax

clear ferry
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Oh lawd, you guys and your coax

subtle pasture
#

There's also AT&T Fiber run to the building... it's 5 mbps

young sigil
#

That's not fibre that's a plastic drinking straw.

clear ferry
#

Brb internet over toslink cables

last cedar
#

I have coax here atm Atx

cedar chasm
#

My building is all about the coax too

clear ferry
#

Coax is mostly in apartment buildings that haven't been renovated the last 10 years

cedar chasm
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Mine was built 8 years ago 😒

#

But I've got my 150Mbps downstream, so no calls for revolution from my end

clear ferry
#

I remember 150Mbit downstream

#

In 2003

#

In my college dorm

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🤣

cedar chasm
#

I mean, at the risk of being a Luddite, how could anyone ever need more

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runs for cover

clear ferry
#

Need, eh, nice to have yes

subtle pasture
#

Strictly speaking, symmetrical 10 gbps is already doable over coax

#

It's just that nobody has rolled it out yet

clear ferry
#

Unless it is one of those strange American 1000/15 connections

dusky plank
#

one of my wireguard sites changed to a new isp contract, setup is the same but before it had a static ip, now its dynamic.
initial connection works fine for some hours then gets lost (~12 hours) - anybody knows a reason?

last cedar
#

Got my router updated yesterday to latest ipmi and bios. Time to get opnsense installed on it (have it at work atm)

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Yes I am aware the cables look like shit

dusky plank
#

oh well, the wireguard watchdog may be what I'm missing... might have to wait for a reboot to connect again 😛

#

my opnsense box looks a bit smaller thanks to atxbae

last cedar
#

Seems odd though, did it work for more than 12 hours before?

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And yeah, my box is special, could have easily done a small pc, without the fiber, could have done an optiplex at like almost 4U or could have done at 1U with noisy fans

#

Dhcp?

#

12 hour lease

#

On new isp

dusky plank
#

nope, I think only the router at this site reboots at 4 but the client has a static ip

last cedar
#

Even if it gets same IP, there might be enough of an interuption that makes the tunnel drop

dusky plank
#

connection worked fine 24/7 before :/

last cedar
#

Hope you get it working anyway!

#

Stuff like that is awful if you can't access the remote site

dusky plank
#

i will, just a matter of time

last cedar
#

And even worse, because even if you can, you must be there at 4am hehe

dusky plank
#

😄

last cedar
#

Have a similar fault on an old alarm. School disarms at 4am and there is a fault that comes at the same time. Low voltage on data bus

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It shouldn't, but I really need to sit inside and measure it as it disarms

dusky plank
#

school disarms sounds dangerous for the kids

last cedar
#

I think it is a false message and the board is slightly over loaded

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But can't be sure without measuring current output as it disarms

#

Disarming is much better for the kids than arming 🤣

#

Problem is, system was built well over 10 years ago, and not by us. Documentation is sparse and the site is huge, I think there are around 15 of these psus dotted around. So not easy to follow cable routes etc

molten osprey
#

Looking to upgrade to a Raspberry Pi 4 as my fileserver ... wondering what the benefits are for getting 8GB vs the 4GB model. Anybody have thoughts on this?

clear ferry
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More memory

dusky plank
#

with a lot of fiddling you might be able to make a ramdisk as initial transfer cache, but that might be it

clear ferry
#

Also 8gb 🤏

hushed basalt
#

Just get a second hand SFF desktop

last cedar
#

Says me with 16GB in my router

molten osprey
#

the 3b+ has been more than fine to be honest

#

which has ... 1gb? not sure.

last cedar
#

What is price difference?

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And I think more ram can never be a bad thing

molten osprey
#

i think the price difference is like 20 euro

last cedar
#

I would absolutely spend the 20 euro if I knew I was buying it for prod

dusky plank
#

having the ethernet interface decoupled from usb bus is a major + so go with pi4, does not matter if 4gb or 8gb

last cedar
#

But it would be my 20 euro, not yours

molten osprey
#

i am getting the pi4 ... just not sure why more ram is a good thing for a fileserver

last cedar
#

So I shouldn't make the call for you

dusky plank
#

I never managed to fill the 4gb ram, even with >25 containers... I think without scientific use case it's just overkill

molten osprey
#

so one of the differences between the current use case (just a simple file server) and the experiment i wish to run ..... is to have my HA pi mount rootfs over NFS from this to-be-purchased pi

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because ... why keep it simple with a local SSD, when you can complicate the shit out of your setup!

dusky plank
#

nfs boot is great, as long as you run container...

molten osprey
#

i dont follow. run the server in a container?

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i had my HA SSD die (it was a shitty brand with a dubious history!) and it annoys the shit out of me that i have to keep buying 128GB SSD drives and use 8GB of that.

#

buddy suggested NFS approach ... and i thought "FUN!"

lapis cipher
#

So yes, the council has decided for you to go with the extra memory, your use case for the device might change in the future so it opens up more possibilities

molten osprey
#

hehe

dusky plank
#

you will run into trouble with the docker daemon at first, if you run supervised you will also run into trouble with the pulseaudio socket... so just stay with the single container solution 😉 or go venv if you dare

clear ferry
#

Zfs > all your other nonsense file servers yes

lapis cipher
#

:puke:

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(need to learn discord one day.. BR, irc fart)

clear ferry
lapis cipher
#

i just have bad memories with Sun Fire x4500 with zfs, it wasn't that perfect thought can't exactly state the maturity of zfs at that time..

clear ferry
#

Atleast it wasn't an oracle machine

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🤢

lapis cipher
#

Thumper was a nice form-factor, 4U with shitton of disks, i recall we went with zfs as it was natively supported by the vendor and thought to give it a spin. I recall it mostly worked but there were problems also with resilvering and what not

dusky plank
last cedar
#

Its progressing!

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Even got blinkenlights on the front 😻

clear ferry
#

Oh lawd

last cedar
#

Doesn't want to get a WAN ip though. The little scoundrel

clear ferry
#

Sorry all out of wan ips

#

Come back tomorrow

last cedar
#

Oh, I am being a fool. Apparently I am using the wrong port

last cedar
#

Seems like I am a noob

#

Working now

clear ferry
#

Sounds about right

cedar chasm
#

Never change, Raccoons. Never change!

lapis cipher
#

is THAT a REPOST from last night? Are we running out of raccoons??

cedar chasm
#

Would be just our luck

lapis cipher
#

Raccoon-19, we're all gonna die!!

clear ferry
#

My neighbor county appears to be closing down on Monday

#

Good thing I've done next weeks shopping already

last cedar
clear ferry
#

Oh yeah, bang that bin

lapis cipher
#

We're gonna close down a bit more on monday as well, numbers keep rising, dunno why, maybe people just don't care.

last cedar
#

People don't care here either

#

I wear a mask. Kids ask there parents why I am wearing a mask

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Makes me sad tbh

clear ferry
#

I wear a mask whenever I visit any establishment outside my county

last cedar
#

(in the same way you ask a parent why someome has pink hair btw), like, that person is different, why are they different sort of way

clear ferry
#

We have had 4 cases or so in my county

last cedar
#

Masks are frowned upon here

#

4?

#

That is excellent

clear ferry
#

They are enforced in Oslo and surrounding counties

last cedar
#

We had like 26 people die yesterday iirc

clear ferry
#

We've had.... 626 I think

#

In total

last cedar
#

Rookie numbers

#

13000 I think?

#

I might be rounding up there though

clear ferry
#

Yeah, the difference between Norway and the other Scandinavian countries are interesting

#

Last I bothered checking Sweden was 1800% ahead of us

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Denmark was 800% I think

last cedar
#

I believe that the government get commision for every person who dies, and they want to make as much as possible /s

clear ferry
#

Compared to number of citizens

lapis cipher
#

Sweden gambled and l went a bit wrong, dunno, could have worked too, i'm no expert on the topic.

last cedar
#

13003

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IMO yes

#

We put so much weight into the vaccine solving everything

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But we are in no rush to vaccinate, or change way of life significantly

#

People will wear a mask if others wear a mask, apparently

#

So until someone does, no one else will

#

Washing hands isn't enough, clearly

dusky plank
#

the only safe place is your workplace.
the workplace cannot be in danger by the virus.
according to our gov

last cedar
#

We have a bit of that here

clear ferry
#

Thank Dog I work from home then

last cedar
#

You are not allowed to be more than x people in a group

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Yet people must go to school

#

Hundreds of people in the same place

#

Shopping centers, max 1 person per group. Fine. But maybe 800, 900 people, each on their own

clear ferry
#

Schools and kindergartens have little restrictions here

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Below high school level

last cedar
#

Same

#

But your results are far far better

dusky plank
#

lol, not even at home you're safe according to our gov

last cedar
#

Which is fascinating

dusky plank
#

as said, only the workplace is safe

#

oh, public transport is also safe. but skiing is not

clear ferry
#

I'm curious if vaccination programs play a large part, like Norwegians have done BCG vaccination mandatory for all until... 2019 I think

#

While Italy has never had it

last cedar
#

Mmmm, lots of great theories, but the point still stands

dusky plank
#

today a nurse died shortly after she received AZ

last cedar
#

If we had less humans and more raccoons, it wouldn't have been such a problem

#

AZ?

dusky plank
#

astra zeneca

last cedar
#

The vaccine?

#

Oh

#

Shit

last cedar
#

Look we are apex predators

#

It meant to high 5 the wall, clearly

#

With its face

#

Where abouts are you @dusky plank ?

dusky plank
#

austria

last cedar
#

Not good if people are dying after, even if not related to the vaccine

#

Enough tin foil hat people already

last cedar
#

Exactly

cedar chasm
#

Dosing issue perhaps?

#

I remember early on there was a case where somebody brainfarted and injected a full glass of vaccine into patients, rather than doing it properly

#

So many possible reasons

#

At the end of the day, my fate is best entrusted to medical professionals, until that turns out to be wrong

last cedar
#

You mean you shouldn't give a single person 20 liters of vaccine!?

#

Whodathunkit

#

But yes, agree, it is on them to get it right

cedar chasm
#

haha, one glass has like 6 doses or whatever

#

but yea same principle

cedar chasm
#

The day of liberation is at hand!

last cedar
#

Yes

dusky plank
#

anybody uses docker contexts in vscode?
I get "unable to verify the first certificate" when connecting to a tls protected daemon

last cedar
lapis cipher
#

"company makes one alike" - just got this Norwegian sweater, blending in, one step at the time 🤣

#

(yes, its rj45 i incorporated to the picture)

cedar chasm
#

The most Norwegian Norwegian that ever did Norwegian

cedar chasm
#

did some preliminary testing with an old laptop to get an opnsense instance going

#

recent ISP kerfuffles brought on an urge to have some form of failover solution working

#

the age of Teamsocracy will tolerate no downtime

#

looks promising, just waiting for a data-sim card for the onboard wwan

last cedar
#

Opnsense is wonderful

#

Can highly recommend

clear ferry
lapis cipher
#

ipchains ftw

orchid rose
#

Went to get some groceries earlier... What even is this weather this time of the year

cedar chasm
#

March is treacherous

orchid rose
#

300m to the store so I left my beanie home. Awful mistake.

last dirge
#

well, that was a lot of chasing my tail for no good reason

#

anybody know of a USB power supply that's known to work 100% with a Pi and a SSD?

clear ferry
#

Pi 🤢

dusky plank
last dirge
#

@dusky plank you're running SSD?

#

ah shit, that's USB-C

dusky plank
#

use a hub for pi3, pi3 by itself hits the limit for 2.5a (microusb) pretty hard

lapis cipher
#

No need for SWAG when using these

last dirge
#

@dusky plank yeah, that's what I've got going now, was trying to reduce the amount of crap needed

forest edge
#

they make usb Y cables so you can pull power from two usb ports for one device

#

not sure what ssd draw these days bnut 1000mw was plenty not too long ago

#

3amp power cable for the pi and good to go

lapis cipher
#

just a tad annoying/stupid to make that so.. a "regular" power connector would have been so much better

forest edge
#

usb wasn't designed to power drives like ssd's

#

usb2 that is

lapis cipher
#

poor choice for those pi's either imho, world is full of people with power issues with those. Ok, its just a connector and the psu is wrong but.. I have ton of powering options here but just about none for microusb

forest edge
#

well to be fair, your talking about a device that was made to be dirt cheap, they would sell it for lower than the original $35 if they could

lapis cipher
#

that's a fair point, however and even more a regular 5.5mm jack would have been better, even my grandma has those powers laying around but none suitable for raspi

dusky plank
#

2.5a is usb a max (acc to standard)
so it might get harder to find 3A psus

you can however find ones that have 2 ports and both deliver 2.5, then those cables do wonders

lapis cipher
#

i just cancelled my order for 3A power since they've been "processing" my order since january :/ it also contained some useful other power-related items around these tiny/small computers

#

there was 1 or 2 cables missing from a large'ish order which i would have liked to have already "yesterday".. I know it takes time to ship from China but doing 1,5+ months of just "processing" was too much, heck send them in few batches then. But that's what you get when you get cheap, i know

dusky plank
#

the pi‘s usb voltage regulater might be in the way anyhow

forest edge
#

I have like 5 of them in this house lol

#

he's having problems because of the way some powered usb hubs handle the data flow

lapis cipher
#

i have none and thus whining here 😄 Don't get me wrong, i like those little thingies, just the way i got them didn't provide the suitable psus

forest edge
#

but a Y cable using two 500mw usb ports should be plenty and will bypass his issue entirly

dusky plank
#

i couldn‘t find none here 🥲 but my micro usb days are over for good 🥳

hushed basalt
#

Usb has always been a shitfest as long as I can remember

#

Weird issues with certain devices on certain hubs

#

My keyboard dongle refuses to work with a passive hub connected to my macbook. Works fine on my surface pro

wise cypress
#

omg i nearly forgot this thing existed.

last plaza
#

lol someone shared this earlier!

static schooner
#

I don’t even want to touch that to scroll the screen 🙂

forest edge
#

it's neat but they shouldn't have made it a loop

last plaza
#

True!

last cedar
#

Zzh was back in stock..... Briefly. But I missed it

molten osprey
#

Took me 3 hours to realise that the opening sentence of an 'official guide' would have saved me those 3 hours.

#

"This tutorial is written to explain how to set up a simple DHCP/TFTP server which will allow you to boot a Raspberry Pi 3 from the network."

#

Things are different for the Raspberry Pi 4 😄

#

10 minutes after I realised that, it was working just fine

burnt cave
#

happens to the best of us

#

i spent all day yesterday trying to figure out why pwm wasn't working on my stm32 and i just forgot to actually initialize it

last cedar
#

I lost my lan interface on opnsense

#

Because I plugged wan into opt1

#

Even raccoons make mistakes

clear ferry
#

opt1 no

#

DMZ yes

last cedar
#

I should probably make a dmz port

#

For all my senstive network stuff

hushed basalt
#

🤢

forest edge
#

Australian made shouldn't make you vomit...

molten osprey
#

So ... the SSD of my Pi running HA became unusable and had to be trashed. I do not have one of those official backups of my config of course. The only thing I was able to do was cp the entire /usr/share/hassio directory. Any thoughts on installing HA and then just copying that 'backup' over the fresh files?

forest edge
#

too tired to remember the file structure but if you have the config folder within what you copied then you can just copy that over. also this is a huge #330990055533576204 question not off topic.

molten osprey
#

supervised, i think ... yeah you're right

hushed basalt
#

@forest edge Australians suck at manufacturing

last cedar
#

unless it is barbies

#

and

#

I heard your Koala Bears were amonxed the best in the world

hushed basalt
#

Every bbq I've seen is cheap garbage from china

last cedar
#

do you make anything worth buying?

burnt cave
#

not since holden got shut down 😦

#

rip utes

#

seems like their primary export is "Ores, slag, ash"

clear ferry
#

It's the season to be planting

#

Lalalalalalal lalala la

last cedar
#

never seen a v70 that colour

#

also.....

#

saab behind it?

lapis cipher
last cedar
#

yeah

#

checked email today

#

all gone

#

so I guess I am gonna pick up 2 similar ones

clear ferry
#

Yes, Saab 9-5 2005

last cedar
#

not waiting 2 months for another chance to miss it

lapis cipher
#

i guess i got lucky then, i don't read mails that often.

clear ferry
#

Chipped to 230bhp

last cedar
#

Nice atx

#

guessing it doesn't ru

clear ferry
#

It does

last cedar
#

all saabs seem to be made of cardboard

clear ferry
#

It's my father's, my parents use it when they come visit

last cedar
#

wft a working saab

clear ferry
#

And go to their apartment in Sweden

last cedar
#

must be fake

clear ferry
#

In Säffle

last cedar
#

NICE

clear ferry
last cedar
#

down there

#

I was over at Karlstad a few times a year

#

I was so good at my job I didn't need to go often 😛

clear ferry
#

Grums is obligatory

#

Smells like death

hushed basalt
last cedar
#

Pretty sad tbh

#

Sweden have the best Volvos, for example

#

and meatballs

#

and

#

smörgåstårta

hushed basalt
#

Our manufacturing and design industry had been gutted for decades by neolibs

last cedar
#

😭

#

Not sure which channel to post in. Cat assembly went wrong and this is what I ended up with. Can anyone help?

clever mortar
#

Clearly that's an integration issue... 😛

last cedar
#

Thanks ❤️

midnight adder
#

damn rocks we electrocute into thinking

dusky plank
lapis cipher
hearty depot
#

Finally found time to play with my new toy

#

A wrist esp32.. like, why not

clever mortar
#

It's what you have to do when you can't find a second hand Pebble 😛

hearty depot
dusky plank
#

these lenovo trackpoints 😅

hushed basalt
#

I'm thinking about a moonlander keyboard

hearty depot
#

It is not a pebble. It tryes bu more like a fany diy esp32 kit.
Hoped for a smartwatch, got a Arduino toy

lapis cipher
#

" a fully intrusive maintenance" - ok, thanks for honesty 🙂

dusky plank
#

bruh, setting up wireguard is kindergarten in opnsense

clear ferry
#

Yaaaaaaas

#

When you put in the correct key

#

I fucked up one character

#

And it cost me two hours

dusky plank
#

made that mistake before

clear ferry
#

Is that an O or and 0

winter wren
#

who invented gx53 socket?

last cedar
#

love when a 1 doesn't have the funny bt

#

or is it a capital I

#

or l

#

I l

#

haha

cedar chasm
#

Nintendo is good about that. no O 0 in their gift cards :d

clear ferry
#

1 pipe and I, a story of love and fucked up inputs

cedar chasm
#

etc

last cedar
#

it is great when it is like lI1ili1il1III

#

🤣

magic basin
dusky plank
#

chat in chat? incheption

magic basin
#

Chat amongst all of the users of an addon in the Ingress. They're all angry.

clear ferry
magic basin
#

I'm working on a set of addons I call ActumNonGrataHass. Unwelcomed actions. When they stop working, I'll be happy 🙂

#

until then, 😠

lapis cipher
#

Ingress still runs? I did play that up until level it made no more sense, forgot already what was that

deft pewter
#

I don't think they're talking about the game. I think they're talking about their quest for impenetrable security in HA 🤔

clear ferry
#

Egress is where all my homies are at

magic basin
deft pewter
#

🤷‍♂️

magic basin
#

That was something totally different @deft pewter . Security is a broad topic and there is very little documented. There's a lot to discuss and there's no room for it.

deft pewter
#

For the love of Christ, please stop tagging me.

magic basin
#

That was security in the context of the documentation, because I was doing documentation updates.

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ok.

deft pewter
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And of course there's a room to discuss security in... if you're actually interested in contributing to HA, there's a whole group of channels for dev work (which you know because you've had many a discussion there already).

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This channel's for raccoon gifs.

deft pewter
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Again with the frigging pings.

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I don't need a mobile notification every time a stranger talks.

hearty depot
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Who's from Norway? Ludeeus and/or Atxbyea?

deft pewter
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I thought Ludeeus was Swedish. atx is Norwegian and I know we have a few other semi-regulars too.

hearty depot
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nah, completley unrelated to your... discussion
just had a shit chat with my wife regarding fees. apperently 🇨🇭 and 🇳🇴 have fees based on their income
just intrested to know if this is a myth or real practice

deft pewter
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Huh? Based on the income of the country or of individuals?

hearty depot
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individuals
when you speed with your car you pay a 1% fee of your income
wich hurts everyone in the same way

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but as mentiond, not sure if this is just a myth

hearty depot
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sad, I would like the approach
“If the penalty for a crime is a fine, then that law only exists for the lower class”

deft pewter
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Yeah, it's a shame fining based on net worth isn't common.

hearty depot
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welp bed. work starts in 7 hours and I have an office day -_-

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.away zZzZ

velvet horizonBOT
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Underknowledge is away! zZzZ :wave:

magic basin
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The value of a dollar is still the value of a hamburger. Just because one person can afford $1,000,000 hamburgers, doesn't mean their offenses are 1000 times worse than your 1 hamburger offense.

deft pewter
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You're missing the point. It's not a punishment if you don't even notice it.

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$100 for speeding? Great, that's a few seconds of earnings for some people. They don't care.

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If you're in poverty, $100 could have your family on the streets. Entirely different consequences.

magic basin
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A hamburger is a hamburger no matter how many you can afford. Usually people with more money tend to pay more attention to the value of that money. It hurts them even if it doesn't affect their lifestyle.

hearty depot
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then this must be true for you too. aah such a bummer that I realy have to sleep

magic basin
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I make a comfortable living. I wouldn't consider myself wealthy, but I wouldn't want fines scaled up for me. When you're young, you generally have less money and make worse decisions but you're still learning. When you're old, you generally have more money and make better decisions. The fact is, it's just not needed to take a lot of money to make an impact on me.

deft pewter
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Of course you wouldn't want fines scaled up for you... because that would adversely affect you.

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🤦‍♂️

magic basin
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As a not-young guy, I don't need a big impact to realize I need to change.

dusky plank
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is this considered trolling?

deft pewter
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I'm pretty sure it is.

dusky plank
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ok, enough discord for today

deft pewter
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And I'm done feeding the troll. G'night.

magic basin
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Every time I see someone say the system is unfair because they pay relatively more than others, and we should change the fundamental ways things work because its not fair...

hushed basalt
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Python is a bit of a hot mess to be honest

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Getting environments and packages to work correctly

molten osprey
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Why won't Docker run on my rPi???

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hrmpf

hushed basalt
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Might need a bit more to go off

molten osprey
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heh ... really? i thought you'd know! 🙂

hushed basalt
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"why doesn't my car move"

molten osprey
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so i run my pi diskless over nfs ... which may be causing an issue. testing that theory now.

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for your entertainment: installed Raspbian on an SD card, rsync-ed it over to an NFS share, it works just fine. tried to install docker with the 'convenience script'. dockerd doesnt start. booted the pi with the sd card, all works just fine.

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so i'm wondering if it struggles with the NFS situation. now rsync-ing the SD card back on the NFS share to see if it will all work.

jade tartan
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does anybody have any laser XP?

molten osprey
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obligatory: "pew pew pew"

jade tartan
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lol

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sorta!

molten osprey
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I wish I did! 🙂

jade tartan
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well i know the diodes are cheap, so i wana find a crazy powerful one that i can mess with for ebay prices

molten osprey
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"mess with for ebay prices" ?

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oh

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you want a cheap one to mess with

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got it 🙂

burnt cave
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anyone here jailbroken a kindle?

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i'm about to give it a shot

molten osprey
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@hushed basalt Confirmed. Can't run Docker on a diskless system.

burnt cave
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ooh I missed python env hate

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very relatable

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trying to package python based software has been a historical pain in my ass

hushed basalt
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I actually prefer working with JavaScript and node nowadays

molten osprey
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well this is interesting ..... it looks like docker can work on a diskless system, but you need to tell it to put its --data-root in a RAM disk

burnt cave
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weirdly enough I've had the least headache distributing C/C++ stuff

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static linking has it's drawbacks but being able to have a single bin for distribution is pretty nice

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it's like the only thing I like about Go

subtle pasture
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Hmm, Alexa is being a bitch... I put a smart plug into a group, and the app explicitly says you need to change the type to "light" for her to control it as part of the room lights

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Well, apparently that's a lie, because she turns off the plug when I tell her to turn off the lights, even though it's type: plug

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Thanks Bezos, I hate it -_-

burnt cave
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can't wait for elon to make his brain chips so we can just think our lights on and off

static schooner
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You just have to dedicate some of your brain to Bitcoin mining

burnt cave
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i'm sure they'll subsidize the cost by beaming ads into our dreams

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like that futurama episode

subtle pasture
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in b4 Johnny Mnemonic

burnt cave
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although

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GabeN says valve has some tricks up their sleeves for non-invasive BCI

subtle pasture
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Yeah, there are a few companies working on brain interfaces for VR

burnt cave
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if we can get full dive VR without having to get implants

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that would be siiiiick

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i'm sure they're not anywhere close

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but it seems like the trend is 5 years after we can do it invasively we can do it non-invasively

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give or take

subtle pasture
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Even the current systems have some utility

burnt cave
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i know they can read "mood"

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would be excellent for like a horror game or something

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learn what scares the user

subtle pasture
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For instance, it's pretty easy to pick up the "aha!" response on an EEG, which is when the brain's reward center lights up in response to epiphany

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Imaging working that into the game itself, silently, in the background

burnt cave
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machine learning to create the most addictive game possible

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genius

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just have it maximize reward response

subtle pasture
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I mean, you could also do cool shit like wait until the exact moment that the player realizes a major plot point

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And have THAT be an in-game trigger for something to happen

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floor falls out from under you at the exact moment you get to the plot twist

burnt cave
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what would be the biggest game changer is being able to perceptually simulate g-force

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there is no vr system in the world that can do that

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at least something I could see happening in the near future

subtle pasture
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You could also use it to make horror games significantly more mind-fucky

burnt cave
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it's by far the biggest immersion breaker for me

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esp when they move camera around and I don't feel the movement

subtle pasture
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I mean, there are full motion rigs that do it. They're often used for sim racing...

burnt cave
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they can't simulate g forces

subtle pasture
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Actually, they do...

burnt cave
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well maybe a tiny bit

subtle pasture
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And it's stupid-simple

burnt cave
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but you couldn't simulate like extended straight line acceleration

subtle pasture
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Accelerating at great speed? the rig tilts back so gravity presses you into the seat

burnt cave
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huh

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true

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but it can't simulate over 1g

subtle pasture
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Correct

burnt cave
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you could use like one of those pilot training centrifuge things

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but you start to exit the realm of "practical" at that point

subtle pasture
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The effect is rather convincing when combined with a VR headset. You hit the gas pedal and your whole body gets pushed into the seat

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And the rig doesn't even need to tilt that much

burnt cave
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would be interesting to try

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bet you could DIY it with some hyrdraulics and a welder

subtle pasture
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$4000 for a 6 DOF motion simulator

burnt cave
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why buy it for $4k when you can make a worse DIY version for twice the price?

forest edge
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nerds will spend 5 times that for less

subtle pasture
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3 DOF versions go for about $2000

burnt cave
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i gotta stop looking at sim equipment

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it's far too expensive for my broke ass

forest edge
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i put my temp/humd sensors on grafana to see if I could learn anything.. i haven't learned shit lol

hushed basalt
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You have to work backwards

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Requirements/goals first, then insights after

last cedar
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Was looking and ended up speccing out 4x 55 inch screens and was like NOPE

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Haha

burnt cave
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maybe i'll buy a sim rig if GME moons

subtle pasture
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Just threw some smart plugs on my Valve Index lighthouses

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Now I can shut 'em down without needing to fire up Steam VR every time

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They have a built-in sleep mode, but they automatically power-up if they lose power for any reason

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And they'll whir away with their motors running forever unless you plug in your headset and start Steam VR so you can order them back to sleep

forest edge
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@subtle pasture your that person on youtube that makes those lightsaber game videos to songs aren't you?

subtle pasture
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I mean, I have that game, but I've never recorded myself playing it

forest edge
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there is someone who records the VR of them playing as some anime character or something. use to flood my listing. haven't seen it in awhile but I can picture you being that person who does it in thier spare time lol

clear ferry
subtle pasture
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I'd have to invest in some additional trackers to do that. Those avatars need full-body tracking

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So 3 additional sensors (hips + left and right ankles)

burnt cave
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@subtle pasture LH power management doesn't work in linux either

subtle pasture
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I could overlay a camera feed with the background keyed out, and just insert myself right into the game 😛

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I mean, the power management works fine... but if you need to unplug a lighthouse for any reason, there's no way to put it back to sleep without going all the way into Steam VR

burnt cave
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huh did they make it work now?

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it used to never power down if you used linux

subtle pasture
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I'm surprised you can't get power management working under Linux. They're just bluetooth devices

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If you put them into pairing mode you can see them from any bluetooth receiver

burnt cave
subtle pasture
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Lol, his process for powering them on is way longer than it needs to be...

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Just unplug them and plug them back in, they'll wake up immediately