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#the-water-cooler
dull chasm
deft pewter
Not since yesterday, huh? 😄
dull chasm
thats not nice mono
deft pewter
Just an observation 🤷♂️
clever mortar
Maybe they've been in a time machine and forgotten the last 20 or so hours?
dull chasm
yes and the polite thing to do is say welcome back ....right 🤷♂️
clever mortar
Welcome back Vasiley, it's been ages since we last saw you
dull chasm
thank you
tidal bronze
Lol.
dull chasm
well this covid shit has me at 70+ hours a week so ....not much time to bullshit
deft pewter
yes and the polite thing to do is say welcome back ....right 🤷♂️
If everything I say is wrong, I'll just stop contributing 🤷♂️
Laters.
dull chasm
alligators
tidal bronze
Any thoughts/recommendations on double boiler expresso machines ?
dull chasm
tidal bronze
That's for tea 😆
dull chasm
no way ....best kinda coffee
tidal bronze
What kinda coffee is that ?
dull chasm
there is no kinda coffee ....this is not starbucks .....just plain old good coffee ..
we have to get you boots dirty ..you been in fancy la too long
tidal bronze
There's other types of coffee? I thought all coffee is from Starbucks
dull chasm
i dont have a starbucks close to me ....prolly 50 to 75 miles lol
pure vine
Not since yesterday, huh? 😄
True, but i didnt partically stay long to interact
tidal bronze
i dont have a starbucks close to me ....prolly 50 to 75 miles lol
Wowza
pure vine
Not since yesterday, huh? 😄
Also got distracted making IPv6 memes
night zodiac
s42 is my favorite
dull chasm
@tidal bronze but i have a feed store, a john deere dealer, grocery store and a ice house within 10 minutes ....what else do i need
night zodiac
I don't know what an ice house is but my town has the other things
dull chasm
beer sodas and gas
night zodiac
so a gas station
clear ferry
@dull chasm I thought it took more than 10min to leave your property
dull chasm
well we count from the point of leaving LOL
river lodge
Any thoughts/recommendations on double boiler expresso machines ?
I have this: AEG Electrolux Caffe Silenzio, but use only for espresso. I like it
tidal bronze
Is it single or double? We do not have Electrolux here. Planning to upgrade the single I have.
tidal bronze
<@!331255319365812224> but i have a feed store, a john deere dealer, grocery sto...
Sounds like fun. Other than the grocery store the rest is not that useful here 🙂
dull chasm
you have rabbits ....feed store has rabbits and feed ....win win chicken dinner @tidal bronze
river lodge
Is it single or double? We do not have Electrolux here. Planning to upgrade the ...
it does not have a pan. it grinds beans and you can also use grinded coffee at the top
clear ferry
Couple of thousand us marine in Norway training on how to survive in the arctic, dem boys cold
last cedar
Reminds me of.....
clear ferry
🤣
burnt cave
I have not, sounds interesting
last cedar
forest edge
what are foreign nations?
I am absolutely loving them putting all these new movies coming out in theaters on hbomax the same day
short lion
Withings app: no no no, you were actually born the day before
9/2 becomes 9/1 too
Timezones amirite
hushed basalt
DNS ans timezones
The root cause of all issues
Civil war in a ex soviet country, datetime issues
Coral bleaching in the Great Barrier Reef, DNS invalidation
sacred lark
Anybody interested in working on NEEO Smart Remote integration/flow between HA and NEEO?
NEEO is rooted and their is a community of users working on it.
An SDK driver called Meta has been created and Mosquito/Node Red has been installed on the Brain.
https://github.com/jac459/neeo2021onward
https://github.com/jac459/metadriver
https://github.com/jac459/NeeoDriversInBrain
Volunteers???
forest edge
@sacred lark not an ideal place to post that kind of stuff. you would be better off making a forum post https://community.home-assistant.io/
sacred lark
<@!693248584228798524> not an ideal place to post that kind of stuff. you would ...
Thanks mate. Have done.
https://community.home-assistant.io/t/neeo-remote-ha-integration-via-node-red-mosquito-meta-driver/285170
short lion
How are you all backing up your configs automatically?
forest edge
various ways from overkill to simple
supple parcel
How are you all backing up your configs automatically?
Homeassistant Google Drive backup https://github.com/sabeechen/hassio-google-drive-backup
hearty depot
swiss desing, that thing must be expensive
seen a simalar diy project pit an pizero at its heart
from a feeling I would spend 150€ max.
now intrested what the pricing is
but the idea is neat as hell, I would need that
coresponding discord server
https://discord.com/invite/zGVYf58
forest edge
who the hell would spend 600 on a remote lol
hearty depot
I recently spent this amount of money on an digital scrap paper https://www.techradar.com/reviews/remarkable-2-tablet (sent it back again)
forest edge
what is that an ink display?
those drawing tablets are not cheap
I had looked into them several years ago cause I use photoshop all the time but I just couldn't dish out the cash
hearty depot
More epaper
It's literally a digital block. (Is it block in english? Collection of papers stacked behind each other ) accuracy is not good for drawing. Especially the cloud pissed mo off as.f
you have 2gb of storage and no way of working with object storage. You could Mail stuff around via their cloud. Otherwise, it was ok. But not awesome.
Decent drawing displays in roughly A4 size starting around 300€
Though of getting one instead of this thing
hardy rain
@hearty depot I'm curious about "block", what's your native language, and how would you say the word in that language?
hearty depot
German, we call it a notiz-block. Fuzz.. should go to bed - almost 3am
Googled, -> writing pad :D
Got what I meant?
short lion
Homeassistant Google Drive backup https://github.com/sabeechen/hassio-google-dri...
Anything for non-supervisor installs?
hardy rain
@hearty depot Yep! I was curious if you meant "sheaf", which is a collection of loose papers. A writing pad or "notepad" is a collection of papers typically bound at one end (which is what makes it a "pad").
forest edge
Is there a reason why HA choose ODROID over the Rpi?
it is faster but I think it's emmc is the main reason along with it being a company who was willing to work with them for a shield and package
torpid spire
Gotcha, Thanks
subtle pasture
<@!392094134032269315> Yep! I was curious if you meant "sheaf", which is a colle...
That gets fuzzy, because you generally only see papers bound along the top edge referred as "pads"
Bind it along the left side, and suddenly it's a note-book rather than a note-pad
hardy rain
Ah, that's a good point!
subtle pasture
Gotta love English. "I rotated this object 90 degrees. It now has a different name"
hardy rain
Hahaha, exactly
last cedar
German, we call it a notiz-block. Fuzz.. should go to bed - almost 3am
Anteckningsblock! (swedish)
I have to do that when I move
subtle pasture
You know what I'm surprised doesn't exist? Smart toilet paper roll holders...
violet herald
no real good place to post this, but I am about 2 hours into my Home assistant install and I already have a custom button on my dashboard that will ping my iPhone
subtle pasture
Just a regular roll holder but with a reed switch against the roll that activates when it's low, and orders more
Glorified Amazon Dash button. lol
violet herald
subtle pasture
Heh, interesting style of holder
violet herald
Yeah, I think that style is more for additional storage for the bathroom
so you don't run into the "there is no TP on the holder" issue
last cedar
Just a regular roll holder but with a reed switch against the roll that activate...
Might be too much friction/ damaged rolls whwn a device pressing on the roll
Maybe an ir beam, just to make it as complicated as possible!
hushed basalt
Lazors
But the term you're looking for is digital kanban
They're mostly diy from teams in manufacturing/engineering
lean heart
Is it possible to control home assistant entirely with api calls
And similarly have home assistant send api calls when a device status is changed
Basically I want to control my home through a JS file instead of using the scripting inside HA
tawny orchid
regional appropriate greetings
clear ferry
subtle pasture
@last cedar I mean, I'm fine with Intel GPUs having one more trick up their sleeves
I wonder if they'd be fast enough to do dedicated hardware PhysX processing
clever mortar
Yeah, we just ask for them
clear ferry
They just called me back, just come by, drive through
It'll be interesting because I have an insane gag reflex
clear ferry
Yes, with my sphincter muscle being so tight my career as a gay man would have been short
subtle pasture
...I would like to note you can be straight and still test the limits of both of those orifices 😏
subtle pasture
lol
How the heck did you hit your gag reflex just by brushing your molars?
Like... how do you eat if you can't even... just... wat?
clear ferry
I said it was sensitive 🤣
Printing single joy-con holders for me and the wife, we discovered we could play diablo 3 coop on the switch
cedar chasm
One of these days I am going to make an impulsive purchase of a 3D printer that sit unused for 99.99999% of the year.
clear ferry
Mine was printing 24/7 for the first few weeks, now I print 2-4 items a week
subtle pasture
They come in handy more often than you'd think...
I regularly print hooks for pegboard, specialized cable management, fidget toys, etc.
clear ferry
Toys 
subtle pasture
And it's good for those one-off fixes, like I needed a new plastic guide piece for a sliding closet door. No way I could buy that without buying a whole new door... modeled it and printed it. Problem solved
Broke a foot on a keyboard? Print a new one.
clear ferry
I broke an assembly piece on my new IKEA cupboard, just printed a new one
Very handy
cedar chasm
They make whims into reality in a useful way too, maybe?
subtle pasture
Yup, one of my partners lost some of the plastic pegs that hold the shelves in an Ikea cupboard... and of course, they're special pegs
Printed new ones
cedar chasm
I'm getting that I am practically living in a cave if I don't have one now
subtle pasture
Hell, I did some PC case modding with 3D printing. My case originally only had brackets for 120mm fans in the front. I modeled and printed brackets for 140mm fans
subtle pasture
v1, v2 (testing fit, adjusting design), and then two v3's in black for the final installation
The two black brackets are installed in my case now
cedar chasm
Some nice 3D printer usecases, my cohorts!
subtle pasture
I'm getting that I am practically living in a cave if I don't have one now
You can actually do a lot of the practical stuff with a laser cutter, as well. Just have to cut multiple layers of thin material, and stack them to make a 3D object.
subtle pasture
Yup, I've looked at printing a CNC router / laser cutter. lol
My 3D printer itself is printed XD
clear ferry
It would be handy for my musical instrument hobby
subtle pasture
Oh yeah, I've seen amazing cable routing devices printed for guitar bodies
And you can 3D print jigs to cut wood at any angle or curve
subtle pasture
CPU delid tool, anyone?
clear ferry
subtle pasture
CPU goes into tool, tool goes into vice. Craaaank-pop!
Off comes the heatspreader
clear ferry
Why would you want that though
subtle pasture
Also, check out dem clean layers 👌
So, this is fro Ivybridge CPUs, where intel used thermal compound between the CPU and IHS, rather than soldering the CPU to the IHS
As a result, the chips often run hotter than they should
clear ferry
Orly
subtle pasture
So it's common to pop the heatspreader, replace the paste with liquid metal, and then re-assemble
clear ferry
Ivy bridge is....Xeon V2 right?
subtle pasture
You can also remove the factory silicone sealant that held the heatspreader on, which allows the heatspreader to sit closer to the die (the thinner the layer of thermal interface material, the better)
Xeon E5 v2 are Ivybridge, yeah
It's not uncommon to see temps drop like 10c under load. Kinda crazy...
clear ferry
I usually only remember the codename of Itanium 🤣
subtle pasture
The CPU in that shot is my old i7 3770k, which is still running in my girlfriend's PC
Didn't fuck it up 👌
Got a nice 4.6GHz overclock out of it, as well. It still does alright for itself.
clear ferry
I'm really surprised our clockspeeds haven't increased much in 20 years, the pentium 4 was 3.2 I believe in 2003
Limitation of x86 I guess
subtle pasture
Yeah, the stock-clock of my current CPU (i7 5960x) was only 3.0 GHz...
It's now running at 4.5 GHz. lol
50% OC club. woot-woot <_<
clear ferry
I did 300-450 on a celeron in 2001.. I think it was
Without any hardware modification that is
In a socket to slot converter
subtle pasture
Yeah, didn't mod the 5960x, it already has a soldered IHS
Did upgrade the cooler, but I was going to do that anyway for noise reasons... intel's stock coolers kinda suck
Also, hol' up. Socket to slot converter? They made those?
Like, it lets you run a slotted CPU in a socket?
I've seen adapters that work the other direction
subtle pasture
FPGA = Field Programmable Gate Array... so probably not. lol
subtle pasture
I used to run one of these... it was an oddball for sure: https://www.asrock.com/mb/ULi/K8Upgrade-1689/
That yellow slot? That's not PCIe, that's a proprietary "CPU Upgrade" card slot
So you could slot this badboy in:
Which would allow you to run a Socket AM2 CPU in your Socket 754 + AGP (or 939 + PCIe) motherboard.
clear ferry
What in tarnation
subtle pasture
From back when ASRock were absolute madlads
clear ferry
Reminds me of the Intel i960 daughter boards for MCA
subtle pasture
The CPU support list on that motherboard is absolutely insane, btw: https://www.asrock.com/mb/ULi/K8Upgrade-1689/#CPU
Every CPU from 754, 939, and AM2...
What I don't get is... why didn't they just make the original socket a slotted card too?
Just replace the top half of the motherboard with a giant edge connector
wraith bough
So, my raspberry pi3B capacity seems to be too little to run my Home Assistent stable for days. My swap is being eaten and I already removed grafana/influxdb. As we grow more dependent on the automation, what would be a good replacement? I am now running a pi3B with an HDD but it does not alway boot smoothly.
subtle pasture
HDD? Yeah, the power draw will cause issues... probably best to stick with SSDs
wraith bough
Any good advice, I don't really care what OS or hardware
I would like it if it is in a nice casing
clear ferry
So, the Corona test in the throat was no issue, the nose was fucking vile
Scratching your brain stem
subtle pasture
Yeah, a used intel NUC would be more than enough for most users
And they can get pretty darn cheap used
wraith bough
ok and then run Linux?
subtle pasture
If you want. You could also just run HomeAssistant OS
wraith bough
any *nix is fine and the home assistant OS does save a lot of extra work
subtle pasture
Can HA be installed on FreeBSD? Hmmm
clear ferry
It can also be a lot more headache
wraith bough
thanks for the advice and I will start looking for a nice Intel
clear ferry
@subtle pasture I ran on it for over a year, so yes
subtle pasture
heh, I've found HA OS to be the easier option to deal with
Oh, HomeAssistant will run properly under FreeBSD? Well shit...
clear ferry
Jails 
subtle pasture
Yeah, love jails, but HA seemed to be all-in on Docker
And HA OS takes care of Docker for me, which... makes it tolerable
clear ferry
Let me introduce you to #551864459891703809
subtle pasture
Otherwise, Docker can go get fucked >_>
wraith bough
what about core, atxbyea?
subtle pasture
Yeah, the issue with Core is the entire Supervisor tab vanishes
Which means the internal self-management is just... gone...
clear ferry
Supervisor 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢
clever mortar
For some value of easy, yes
subtle pasture
And if HA is running on dedicated hardware, or in a VM... yeah, I'm just going to run HA OS
Because I have other VMs to run other shit
wraith bough
as I started I ran HA on ubuntu and ran into all kinds of compatability stuff to solve, I very much like the HA OS, being able to snapshot/upgrade/restore
clever mortar
#449717345808547842 for those who want control, #330990055533576204 for those who don't
clear ferry
Parking sensors make parking easy, but when it stops working those bitches will drive into a wall
wraith bough
or if they pick the car without the sensor 😮
clear ferry
subtle pasture
I like the "have your cake and eat it too" scenario of just running HA OS in a VM... because you can just spin up other VMs rather than trying to cram everything onto the same OS as HA
wraith bough
or if they get disctracted by the sound.... what that beeping????..... oops
clear ferry
@subtle pasture but you can't run add-ons distributed, which makes it an all eggs in a basket scenario
clever mortar
Or downgrade them
clever mortar
Most folks don't have a proper home server setup 😉
subtle pasture
Yeah, but that VM can now keep running even if I yank all the cables out of the back of the server it's running on
Because FT runs it on multiple hosts in lockstep
Zero downtime baby 👍
subtle pasture
This is why Veeam is doing hypervisor-level backups
clear ferry
Then you still have to restore
subtle pasture
And helpfully includes a driver to boot directly from a backup archive, so you don't even have to wait for it to restore to a VHD to start the VM
So no... you don't even have to restore. lol
Enterprise virtualization is fucking rad, yo
clear ferry
But you are now the 0.000000000000001% of haos users
clever mortar
😂
subtle pasture
... someone with two NUCs instead of one?
clever mortar
Which is two more than most
clear ferry
Still 0.000001%
subtle pasture
The barrier to entry isn't high, and you were ALREADY talking about distributed containers
What percent of HA users use THAT, eh?
I think we're in the same ballpark
clever mortar
HAOS != HA 😛
subtle pasture
never said it did?
clear ferry
Probably 3-5% tbh
subtle pasture
So they already have multiple nodes to distribute over...
clear ferry
Converting haos users weekly to something more sane ;-)
subtle pasture
If 3-5% of users already have two nodes, then the 0.000001% you tossed out earlier was a bit of BS 😛
subtle pasture
You can literally run ESXi on the Raspberry Pi...
subtle pasture
Also, you were talking about distributed containers, so single-node users don't enter into it...
clear ferry
Because they are technically inept, which is why they choose the appliance
Easy == low threshold
subtle pasture
Right, but again, you were talking about people running distributed containers... which has rather similar hardware requirements to just running a FT virtual machine
Two physical nodes
clear ferry
Sure, but you can run that without enterprise licences
Ft requires license, so does vmotion
subtle pasture
Hyper-V server is free, actually... so yeah, with the two-NUC example, you can...
clever mortar
Hyper-V 🤢
clever mortar
I'll take Proxmox over that 😉
subtle pasture
Go cry to VMWare about it
clear ferry
No sane people run hyperv, they are better off running a pi
subtle pasture
Fuck Proxmox, holy shit. FUCK Proxmox
clear ferry
🤣
subtle pasture
No sane person runs Proxmox
clever mortar
Ah, then run the underlying software directly 😉
It's not hard, it just doesn't have a pretty UI
clear ferry
UI 
subtle pasture
I have two major issues with Proxmox: I could NOT migrate existing virtual machines to it, and none of my existing backup software supported it (so all backup chains were dead)
clever mortar
I like both. UIs are handy, command lines are power
clever mortar
Proxmox.... just runs on Debian. If your backup software can't handle Debian, it's pretty shit 😉
subtle pasture
No, I can back up the host fine, but that's the problem... it's just the host
That leaves all the VMs in an inconsistent state
clear ferry
Middleware hell
subtle pasture
You need backup software that actually knows it's backing up a hypervisor and can command VMs to snapshot themselves
clear ferry
Truenas scale
clever mortar
Back up the hosts, or use the qm commands to snapshot stuff
subtle pasture
Anyway, currently using Veeam, which has full support for ESXi and Hyper-V, so... that's sorted
They have zero interest in supporting Proxmox, because there's no market for it... they might think about Citrix soon
clear ferry
The veeam free license is actually good
subtle pasture
Indeed
Though I went and got an NFR license
I exceeded the number of VMs you can back up on free :<
clear ferry
See, now you are in the 0.00000000000000000000000000001% user base of HAOS
subtle pasture
But yeah, good to note that Veeam does offer free NFR licenses, which offer full enterprise functionality
Just have to renew it once a year
clear ferry
subtle pasture
See, now you are in the 0.00000000000000000000000000001% user base of HAOS
What's funny is, my setup is like... nothing compared to the average r/homelab user
subtle pasture
Fedora intensifies >_>
winter wren
peace to everybody
clever mortar
winter wren
😦 make love not war
subtle pasture
clear ferry
hearty depot
clear ferry
last cedar
short lion
Am I too late? I use proxmox
dusky plank
too late for what?
dusky plank
well, i prefer kvm but you at least successfully avoided hyperv
clever mortar
Well, Proxmox wraps KVM (amongst other things)
clever mortar
must grow larger beard
Not that I use the UI much, I mostly use the command line now 😄
clear ferry
I'm tempted to not let it slide, even for you
So here take this
:nauseated_face: :nauseated_face: :nauseated_face: :nauseated_face: :nauseated_face: :nauseated_face:
clever mortar
I don't care, I have no shame...
clear ferry
My new laptop has 12 raspberry pi as passmark
Wonder if I should mention all CPU power in raspberry pis now
last cedar
That word? Raspberry?
clear ferry
I installed 48x8 worth of raspberry pi in a server last year then
The Intel 8168 appears to have 48k in passmark score
forest edge
My new laptop has 12 raspberry pi as passmark
12 rpi1A's? man you need to get something other than an HP...
clever mortar
Yeah, we've got rapid tests (results in under half an hour) here too, though they're not as accurate
clear ferry
This was a regular test
Hmmm nuklearacidamplification
Something
NAAT
Oh that is a rapid one
I think
dusky plank
I‘d rather have 48 pis than a 8168 tbh
last cedar
How about 8x48 pis?
What would that be
384 pis?
8GB RAM each
3TB RAM
Imagine the size of the usb power brick
And all those sd cards
dusky plank
nfs boot r/o from ram disk 🤯
clear ferry
dusky plank
I will join you pfsense people this week 🥳
any tips / good to know infos?
dusky plank
noted!
subtle pasture
I've been running pfsense for years. No complaints :)
Just upgraded to 2.5.0, which moved from FreeBSD 11 to 12, and added Wireguard VPN support
clear ferry
One of the main reasons I moved to opnsense a year ago
tidal bronze
@forest edge you wanted to know about the vaccine got it about 10 days ago. Still alive and kicking FYI😆
tidal bronze
Not yet. Lol.
clear ferry
Optimistic numbers say I'll get mine in may, but I'm guessing August
I'm in the second to last group
tidal bronze
Age wise me too. But categorized as an essential worker. Was supposed to get in Jan but missed 2 appointment
forest edge
<@104768700069990400> you wanted to know about the vaccine got it about 10 days ...
it takes a few months before it makes you impotent
clear ferry
Here I thought it was going to give him a raging 🍆
forest edge
how did you get it anyways? your not an essential worker and noway could you possibly be in the age or medical condition bracket. either something is fishy or they are giving out placebo's to cali's to make them shut up lol
tidal bronze
it takes a few months before it makes you impotent
Zwave did that years ago 😆
reef geode
I'm thinking about moving all the mqtt stuff on my home-assistant pi to another pi to distribute the load a little better, has anyone done this? or should I just suck it up and buy a ryzen embedded
winged zealot
And all those sd cards
Couldn’t you PXE boot them all?
wooden egret
I got the vaccine too recently
Had a fewer the evening of the day I got it and the next day my muscles were aching
like if I had a very intense workout the day before
lasted 2 days and went away after that, feel great now, gonna take a test to see if I have enough antibodies afte the first shot
fyi I had the Russian vaccine
lucky for me they give it to everyone here not just the groups that are most impacted
forest edge
I would be scared to get a russian vaccine lol
last cedar
Yes, opnsense. It's great
last cedar
Couldn’t you PXE boot them all?
Yes. But sd cards scare atxbyea so better to use sd cards :)
clear ferry
last cedar
How many would you install. Of the 384, before you grabbed the flame thrower?
subtle pasture
One of the main reasons I moved to opnsense a year ago
Did OpnSense have their own 3rd party Wireguard implementation?
pfSense uses the official Wireguard implementation, which was only JUST introduced in FreeBSD 12, so not sure what OpnSense was using before that...
clear ferry
Well, opnsense moved to 12 a while before pfsense
12 has been out for over 2 years already
subtle pasture
Yeah, I'm aware. Netgate/pfSense actually WROTE the official Wireguard implementation in FreeBSD 12...
subtle pasture
So OpnSense currently uses a plugin, rather than the kernel driver?
I imagine they'll switch soon-ish, then
subtle pasture
Heh, the OpnSense docs list Wireguard as experimental...
clear ferry
I have had zero issues with three road warriors
subtle pasture
I mean, I dunno why they'd keep using a 3rd party solution when it's now built-in to FreeBSD 12, and pfSense actually calls it a stable feature release
Also also possible the OpnSense docs are just way outdated... which happens
clear ferry
Eh, I supported netgate for many years, but they have grown stale and enterprisy, and aren't any fun anymore
subtle pasture
I don't need my firewall to be fun, I need it to be bulletproof XD
clear ferry
And pfsense has been that for 15 years for me, but I want to have fun too 🤣
tawny orchid
I'm using a ubiquity edge router, so basically iptables. Not bad either, and a really good commandline, even commit confirms etc.
clear ferry
Ubiquiti 🤢
gusty wraith
I had so many headache with opnsense i threw it away in favor of a good ol' rusty mikrotik RB4011. Gotta sharpen the fork before you poke it into your eyes, eh? 😄
clear ferry
But a great product for emerging markets probably
subtle pasture
I only considered OpnSense briefly, and that was because I was running pfSense on older hardware that didn't support AES-NI (pfSense had claimed they were going to start requiring AES-NI support)
Well... upgraded the hardware, and pfSense dropped the AES-NI requirement
So no need. lol
gusty wraith
i do cisco, dell emc and extreme networks. it's not that terrible if you see the big picture
clear ferry
I have no aes-ni either, and I don't miss it
Extreme is.... Interesting
Force10 is shite
subtle pasture
I mean, AES-NI is handy for VPN acceleration
clear ferry
Cisco is livable
subtle pasture
Glad I have it now
clear ferry
Cat is good, nxos is tolerable and aci can eat shit and die 🤣
gusty wraith
i lived with a sophos utm 9 for quite a long time until i reached the 50 ip limit on the home license. couldn't be arsed to buy a license and ran through all of the possibilities and yeah...i really dig mikrotik routers now for home use
gusty wraith
yup...i was at 49 but then my car decided to connect to wifi finally
and then booted up another VM and everything went to shit from then
50 really is a joke...and the new XG generation of sophos firewalls is shite
it's like they tried to be pfsense with a shiny UI
clear ferry
I've been running Cisco and procurves at home since 05, and pfsense since about the same time, before that smoothwall, ipchains and old hubs 🤣
gusty wraith
if you think of it you only need a decent iptables setup to be a happy living being....at least this is how i see it now after trying out most of the popular solutions
clear ferry
Eh, I'm too used to pf now
gusty wraith
more than a decade ago i laughed at someone using a fl4l floppy router...now i get it
clear ferry
That looks very German specific, never heard of it and most hits are in German
gusty wraith
could be tbh
at the foundation it's what you want at the very frontier to the WAN. a read only system that does just filtering. if it's been corrupted by an attack then you just reboot and everything is back to normal. so it's wise to just have it reboot every day so if there's something wrong it'll mend itself
clever mortar
I remember running a floppy disk based firewall distro... "some" time ago
Goodness knows that was shit 😄
clear ferry
I have ran it.... 20 odd years ago
But never heard of that one
Nor have I heard of any who run it since
gusty wraith
it's pretty much a relic
winter wren
floppy....iot...2021....apocalypse is close
tawny orchid
yep, ipchains too, and smoothwall, and ipfw
and professionally with checkpoint, asa, palo-alto, fortigate
gusty wraith
just find it sad that consumer grade devices are delivering a wrong sense of security with all the open surfaces like cloud connectivity interfaces....
tawny orchid
a lot of businesses are still running in simple IP ( layer 3) mode despite having the most expensive apllication aware firewalls... but that requires you to know what traffic you need............
gusty wraith
yeah right but how hard can it be to just deliver a device that masquerades your lan and blocks everything unasked/unwanted from the outside without having a fancy app, fancy web interface, "smart home integration" and google/amazon/whatever integration?
Why would you need a "ok, google, turn of the internet" command or what?
gusty wraith
that's something that should never be considered a feature that is incorporated into a firewall
tawny orchid
not to mention... some gameconsoles needed upnp to work.... not sure if that has been fixed already
clever mortar
It'll never be fixed, it's a convenience feature
clear ferry
Even better, customers who use application centric firewalls, but are shit at managing them
ive opened for application xyz
No, it doesn't work
gusty wraith
^ these are my favorite
tawny orchid
let's open all
gusty wraith
hum allow ANY to ANY... yeah it works. job done. 💯
tawny orchid
99% of cases we just end up doing regular firewall openings to fix it
yeah, indeed atxbyea
gusty wraith
and the best thing about application filtering is that it's so vulnerable to exploits it is a shame that this is even marketed as a feature for large businesses... every script kiddie can convince this mechanism it is sending legit data over the ether
gusty wraith
🙂
clever mortar
Hey, no, I'm totally Internet Explorer, let me through
tawny orchid
hehehe
gusty wraith
btw my employer has founded a department solely dedicated to ransomware including negotiation tasks.... you know shit got real if you can open up a whole business based on damages dealt by hackers
subtle pasture
not to mention... some gameconsoles needed upnp to work.... not sure if that has...
The solution to that is for the consoles to support IPv6, honestly...
gusty wraith
i'm totally in for DMZing game consoles
subtle pasture
Move to IPv6, you get rid of NAT, each system gets its own IP, which once-again allows static port forwarding
UPnP is only there to provide dynamic port forwards for NATed environments
tawny orchid
well, that requires not port forwarding, but allowing inbound connections, I don;t know if you can trust most people to be able to do that without making a security mess
subtle pasture
True, it's just a firewall allow rule at that point, since you're not doing any NAT
gusty wraith
That'll be the reasony why ipv6 still isn't "there" yet
subtle pasture
Point still stands, it gets rid of UPnP
tawny orchid
true
clever mortar
Eh, only from a NAT perspective though
subtle pasture
That'll be the reasony why ipv6 still isn't "there" yet
I don't follow?
clever mortar
You still need a protocol that allows punching firewall holes without user action
subtle pasture
Not if the ports are static, you don't
gusty wraith
it is not considered safe in the hands of home users
subtle pasture
You can just make a static rule that works forever
How is IPv6 not safe, exactly?
tawny orchid
how are users safe, exactly
gusty wraith
well if you don't understand the concepts of it you can easily put your whole network before the firewall into the DMZ
subtle pasture
Just because every device gets a unique public IP doesn't make it unsafe. It just means your firewall has to actually be a firewall, not a NAT router pretending to be a firewall
gusty wraith
and on top of that most ISPs don't even care about it yet
subtle pasture
Uh, no, the only way you'll accidentally do that if you, straight up, don't have an IPv6 firewall at all...
gusty wraith
Just because every device gets a unique public IP doesn't make it unsafe. It jus...
that is, in fact, what i wanted to express
subtle pasture
and on top of that most ISPs don't even care about it yet
AT&T, Comcast, and Charter all support native IPv6 in my area...
clear ferry
My ISP has talked about IPv6 since 2005, I got it last year
gusty wraith
but there's this little "village" in europe called "germany" where honey is flowing in rivers and ipv6 has still a long way to go to reach the end consumer...
subtle pasture
Sucks to get germany, then. They're probably dealing with carrier-grade NAT to deal with IPv4 exhaustion, at this point...
gusty wraith
where your average internet speed is 6mbits, mind
subtle pasture
A place with internet worse than the US? I'm aghast.
gusty wraith
it is. period.
tawny orchid
Here in the Nethelands, Ziggo provided IPv6, but as dslite, so, you don't get a ipv4 adres anymore, that's done by ipv4 over ipv6 and carier grade nat
brrrr
clear ferry
Norwegian average internet speed was 82.5Mbit in 2019 apparently
No numbers for 2020 yet
subtle pasture
I'm fine with single-stack IPv6 networks with tunneled IPv4, honestly
IPv4 should be a second class citizen. lol
tawny orchid
so, I have that disabled, and do the ipv6 myself..
clear ferry
That number is only for households mind you
gusty wraith
it appears that my isp is experimenting with ipv6 recently... i've found a subnet announced to my router one day
tawny orchid
try to do some inbound connections if you are behind carrier grade nat, and you understand my hesitance
clear ferry
I have never seen CG-NAT in Norway, except on mobile broadband
clever mortar
Last year UK reached an average of 64 Mb/s download... 😂
clear ferry
Heck, my current ISP gives me 6 ipv4 addresses and a full /48 ipv6
My ISP in 2005 gave me 8 ipv4
gusty wraith
oh and before i forget to mention it: 5G is here! but only in areas that are so small you have to search for them!
forest edge
did norway ever go through the dialup phase or did you guys just go from smoke signals straight to fiber?
forest edge
wow
clear ferry
And fiber in 2004
forest edge
so you guys were behind then went through the diffrent phases in a rush lol
although what you call fiber back in 2004 i am pretty sure is what we called broadband
clear ferry
We did get ISDN in 94/95 though, that was fun
We have done FTTH since the start , fiber to pole and coax to building is a thing only in big apartment blocks
forest edge
i've had that since the 80's
tawny orchid
dialup in93, isdn in 98, cable in 2000, then adsl, and now back to cable since 2005 or so
forest edge
we call that broadband
lapis cipher
how on earth can you remember such details from 20+ years back??
clear ferry
I remember mostly anything
Except buying milk
I still remember the windows xp key we had while I worked as a windows administrator in 2004-06
lapis cipher
i roughly remember 90's was dialup time, no idea when isdn came to the picture, nor adsl.. However i seem to remember PCBoard just fine and Tradewars and zmodem and.. 😮
clear ferry
I have been online since 93
forest edge
dialup and isdn was mid to late 80's and for many through most of 90's and broadband(fibertocoax) was late 80's for some and most by mid 90's
tawny orchid
I still remember the windows xp key we had while I worked as a windows administr...
all 1's right
clear ferry
@tawny orchid cqcyt-db42f
gusty wraith
we're slowly rolling out fiber here but not FTTH. last mile is always copper - be it cable or phone line
forest edge
wtf
gusty wraith
still a thing in germany!
clear ferry
Still a big thing in the US I know
forest edge
better not hear you laugh at our mobile data capping ever lol
clever mortar
It still exists for some UK providers, but notmost
gusty wraith
at least for mobile ...
forest edge
nothing on a line has ever been data capped here lol
clear ferry
@forest edge the rest of the internet disagrees with you
forest edge
hell comcast is trying to push it through but they are getting hit hard for even bringing it up
subtle pasture
?
forest edge
the rest of the internet are on too slow of lines made up on janky equipment so that's ok
gusty wraith
well you can provide enough bandwidth by investing in a better connection or you just keep your shitty equipment and throttle the users. now guess what ....
forest edge
cali on data caps makes sense tho...
subtle pasture
Data caps make zero sense. They solve nothing...
If there's a network issue, throttle
forest edge
tree huggers need limited exposure to the world wide web
clear ferry
I've read interesting stories about gigabit lines and 500GB per month data caps 🤣
gusty wraith
there are already soft caps in place by most ISPs because they in turn have to work with a certain pool
subtle pasture
1200 / 50, but sure...
subtle pasture
Comcast can actually deliver 1200 mbps over coax if you dish out for a modem with dual gigabit ports and LACP support
And a router that supports LACP for WAN
gusty wraith
I've got a max of 100/60... most of the time it's 35/30... can't do any better with any provider tbh
forest edge
over coax atx.. read that part carefully
unlike your fiber whjich can't handle half that
clear ferry
I saw someone on homelab who ordered the Google 2Gbit connection and used a custom flashed NIC that negotiated at 2.5Gbit to route it
That was nifty
subtle pasture
Yeah, multi-gig spec is coming
subtle pasture
I haven't seen any DOCSIS modems with 2.5g ports yet
forest edge
just understand old tech vs new
gusty wraith
i'd totally freak out if i would have 500/500 ...but a solid 100 would suffice too....still got hope
forest edge
considering fiber has been around since the 60's
clear ferry
I have 500/500 now, but waiting for another ISP to come in so I can upgrade to 1000/1000
forest edge
as i said lol
gusty wraith
funny thing is they could deliver that...but the antennas are too old to handle it
still waiting for them to upgrade the tower...and my antenna
forest edge
anything below a gig here is called broadband
gusty wraith
no fiber, no coax - just a good old trusty phone line. so i opted for the wifi solution which works flawlessly
i'm actually quite surprised
forest edge
ew
clear ferry
They haven't changed the definition of broadband since 2003, it is still anything over 1.5Mbit here
lapis cipher
wow, i have broadband then, barely
forest edge
i saw a documentary of some remote coastal town where some resident sells wifi access to local neighbors through dishes
some town where high speed data lines passed by them but never ran to them and this person managed to talk to isp into giving him a single point access that he in turns shares with others
lapis cipher
That was my rather brief plan after i was offered fiber for some 50000+ eur...
gusty wraith
it's just sad when you compare the prices to the actual value you receive. i have the option for a pseudo-fiber connection 100/20 for 70€/mo
clear ferry
Ftth cost me €300 in 2004 if I dug the 4m ditch myself
gusty wraith
i saw a documentary of some remote coastal town where some resident sells wifi a...
my colleague did just that. funnily enough he's on the network team and operates this network but has no clue of networking. i wonder how he managed to pull this off without knowing what he's doing....
clever mortar
it's just sad when you compare the prices to the actual value you receive. i hav...
For £60/month I can get 900/110 😛
lapis cipher
i put down my plans on selling wifi because once i pay for digging the fiber they would drop in their own and start selling it to "my customers"
clear ferry
Only 500/500 for €70 per month here, which is why I'm waiting for the other ISP so I can get 1000/1000 for €60
clever mortar
Yeah, we can only get symmetric in larger cities
forest edge
Google did a great deal in thier means of selling 7 year plan for 300 which covered the cost of laying the lines
clear ferry
I haven't seen asymmetric outside of mountain tops in 10 years
forest edge
laying the lines is what costs the money, not the sharing of the data so people paid just to have the lines put in
gusty wraith
i put down my plans on selling wifi because once i pay for digging the fiber the...
except for when you dig it yourself and connect it yourself to the CIX.... 😄
hushed basalt
I have to play copper lottery at my new house
I could have 20mbps or I could have 80
forest edge
well in au isn't everything a lottery
hushed basalt
And I could pay anywhere from $3600 to $36000 to upgrade it to fibre
Yay neoliberalism
gusty wraith
I could have 20mbps or I could have 80
sound like you could have some decent fun with LAG
clever mortar
I haven't seen asymmetric outside of mountain tops in 10 years
Most of our stuff still runs through infrastructure designed back in the .... 20s 😛
hushed basalt
Lag doesn't have too much to do with bandwidth after a certain point
clear ferry
Good enough for Winston, good enough for me
forest edge
20's? didn't think you all had electricity back then...
gusty wraith
Lag doesn't have too much to do with bandwidth after a certain point
link aggregation...not that word that turns gamers into salty little whiners 😄
clear ferry
I had a fun back ans forth in the digiblur discord the other day
I had better latency to some US sites than US users
🤣
CDNs probably
forest edge
east coast.. sure
clear ferry
But still
forest edge
I mean your at the trunk afterall
isp data travel over the states is a mixed bag
at one point all of my data went to texas even if I was connecting to something north of me like chicago
clear ferry
Most norwegian sites have been 3-4ms for me the last 15 years
gusty wraith
most CDNs are sitting next to the CIXs so if your egress point is near the CIX and the ingress as well....
clear ferry
I hit some us sites at 4ms
forest edge
why so many of you bastards play on US servers for the game Rust I am playing
it's like best of both worlds, low ping while being awake when we are asleep
clear ferry
Remember playing on US servers in the early 00s, 70-100ms latency
forest edge
anything under 150ms was considered good back in those days
I get 130ms to servers in france lol
gusty wraith
this is why i am so happy with my ISP although it's a little team of say 20 people... latency is stellar everywhere. except when one of the wifi lines is skewed a bit. then you get the emergency line with 1mbit and horrible ping 😄
clear ferry
@forest edge give me a server name, I want to ping it
clear ferry
Yes
clear ferry
28/29ms
noble pivot
17ms Avg
forest edge
i float between 120 to 140ms so 130ms on average
but i am in the middle of the states
noble pivot
I'm a bit closer than that. Just a hop accross the channel.
forest edge
my friend who is on the east coast gets around 70ms to that same server
@clear ferry try this one lol https://www.battlemetrics.com/servers/rust/3715400
lapis cipher
except for when you dig it yourself and connect it yourself to the CIX.... 😄
There's a great chance i will dig out plenty of some existing cabling which results in worlds most expensive internet -title and debt for the rest of my life 😄 😄
forest edge
somehow russians get decent pings on servers like that which annoy me no end lol
clear ferry
@forest edge 107ms
lapis cipher
55 ms avg for the first, 126 ms second
noble pivot
101 Avg
lapis cipher
hmm i just spotted a flaw from traceroute, need to have a look on that, still on my backup bit handing on the door.. Got another LTE device to be mounted to the roof on the weekend but its in the works still
forest edge
these days sub 100 is ideal, the lower the better but anything under 150ms is playable
lapis cipher
since i game a bit i'm one of those whiners about lag but it does count on fps games, seeing how i die just proves i am lagging behind the opponent. Then again being aware of that and the fact i can't do much anything about it i just try to enjoy, dying is part of the game. And i suck anyways as a player 😄
clear ferry
Eh, I stopped playing pc games many years ago, only PS these days, and I don't care much about lag in dark souls
gusty wraith
since i game a bit i'm one of those whiners about lag but it does count on fps g...
i've found that the netcode of COD games is the worst in terms of prediction and compensation....
lapis cipher
ps4 here, just recently started again on that front, partly due to just being 24/7 home and nothing to do
i solely play cod... :/
gusty wraith
as the game evolves it gets worse...sadly...
forest edge
lol dark souls
clear ferry
I've probably had time for 10 hours of PS the last 6 months
forest edge
that just release in norway?
gusty wraith
the issue is within the p2p architecture. a console can't serve 12 players actions efficiently while also rendering it's own. if they would finally switch over to instancing on dedicated servers it would be again a fairly enjoyable game
but as of now even if you get a PC as a host it's not perfect...
they do save money on that end by outsourcing the server part to the customer
aaaaalrighty then...gonna give a second go at the canbus of my heating.... if that works oh boy.... fully controllable heating from 2004 from within home assistant. yay!
lapis cipher
I don't understand much anything about game architecture but my console is struggling even within the menus, it seems to be very network-dependent on everything, even on browsing "my achievements" or just loading character/gun images (like its 100% online??)
noble pivot
aaaaalrighty then...gonna give a second go at the canbus of my heating.... if th...
Ha Ha, My heating furnace is from 1970 when my huse was built is working nicely with HA 🙂
gusty wraith
Ha Ha, My heating furnace is from 1970 when my huse was built is working nicely ...
lucky you... i had to first upgrade the heating with proper canbus controller and remote so i could reverse engineer the data exchange and now i am finally able to tell it what to do. I had to hunt for the parts because it's that old.... i'm not 100% certain if it'll work now but i'll find out...
noble pivot
Ahh yes, the fun or reverse engineering. Hope it works out after all the effort !
gusty wraith
this is the kind of comms that is going on...
gusty wraith
i would so love to have the possibility to use a pump instead but....nooope...not possible with the old bricks here
clear ferry
@clever mortar this SPIRE / SPIFFE stuff is quite nifty
clever mortar
Ooooh, neat looking
noble pivot
Will def look into that when I have some spare cash (or my furnace dies).
forest edge
we only use heatpumps as an energy saver here but nothing to soly heat a home
too unreliable
clear ferry
It heats my 250m2 home down to -20 and cools it down with outside temps up to +35
Not unreliable at all
My house is 21-23c all year round
forest edge
it's unreliable by nature compared to a traditional gas heater
clear ferry
Hasn't stopped in 20 years 
forest edge
but still
gusty wraith
it's a fridge basically that can be turned around. is a fridge unreliable? 🙂
clear ferry
I have never had a fridge stop
forest edge
how not?
gusty wraith
me neither...
clear ferry
I have three fridges and four freezers
clever mortar
I've had a fridge pack up once, and that was the electronics. Fixed the next day
forest edge
well maybe you haven't lived long enough
gusty wraith
uh oh...
hushed basalt
Confirmation bias
gusty wraith
"statistics say..." 😄
clear ferry
Remember kids @forest edge is from a country with unreliable power and internet too
clever mortar
I know more people who've had cookers fail than fridges or freezers fail
clear ferry
🤣
clear ferry
I have none that are newer than 13 years, the oldest is 21
hushed basalt
Heat pumps don't kill you when they leak
forest edge
well when you do need to get a new one you will see what i am talking about lol
noble pivot
My fridge is about 27yrs old now, working fine.
forest edge
technically neither do gas furnaces
hushed basalt
Ehhhh
clear ferry
My father's neighbour actually has a fridge from 1967 still running
clear ferry
He bought it while he was a sailor over in Japan
clever mortar
My modern fridge/freezer is doing just fine
hushed basalt
Things were still trash back then
forest edge
but aghain, by nature it would never be as reliable
hushed basalt
It's easy to look at a premium 1970s fridge and say it lasted 40 years
gusty wraith
i have no idea how long linear compressors live but the good ol' proven ones that are built the same way for decades are reliable. and these are usually the same things that are used for AC and heat pumps
hushed basalt
And ignore the millions of cheap crap that died 1 week after warranty. So 3.1 months for America
hushed basalt
American goods were definitely pretty hot garbage for a lot of things
forest edge
wait till you buy a new one
hushed basalt
There's a reason everyone loved Japanese goods
forest edge
it's not an american thing
hushed basalt
There's plenty of reliable goods if you want to pay for it
forest edge
i WILL remember that comment
gusty wraith
buy cheap, buy twice
forest edge
again, it could never be as reliable by nature
hushed basalt
I haven't actually had any appliances die
clear ferry
I will probably buy a new one when I buy a new house though, and put the old one in the basement
forest edge
thats pure luck then
hushed basalt
But how can you say your anecdotal evidence is better than mine
clear ferry
@clever mortar is 70
hushed basalt
I'd rather have a heating system that doesn't run off greenhouse gases anyways
forest edge
a fridge to tinker is setting the icecream outside
gusty wraith
toasters will degrade over time...a common failure mode is when the nichrome or kanthal wire is breaking. this is also true for stoves and ovens
clear ferry
But I've been aware of appliances for 30 years, not a single has died in any of my families households
forest edge
natural gas will never go away lol
gusty wraith
so those appliances will eventually die
hushed basalt
Just got given a $12000 awning from my inlaws
Well they paid $12000 for the unit and installation
So that's like $200 nonAustralian
433mhz, should be fun
forest edge
But I've been aware of appliances for 30 years, not a single has died in any of ...
sounds like one of those things where they replaced something and just hide it from you
hushed basalt
Natural gas is going away in a lot of areas
Gas connections are banned in more and more areas
forest edge
@hushed basalt Antarctica?
gusty wraith
Natural gas is going away in a lot of areas
it is considered dirty now ... germany wants to kill them off in the near future...
hushed basalt
Gas is a shitty energy medium for domestic
forest edge
well eletric heaters are worse and just as unreliable as heat pumps sooo...
hushed basalt
Really shouldn't be used for anything except direct manufacturing
Leave it in the ground
We pay for it later with interest
winter wren
so funny....no gas ?....i am eager to see your electricity fallen....and to use candles
clear ferry
We have default 5 year warranty on all electronics so that stove will either last 2 years and be replaced or last 20 years like my parents one
hushed basalt
What
clear ferry
@winter wren we have had ... Less than 4 hours of power outages in the last 10 years probably
forest edge
that 5 year warrenty says it all
gusty wraith
BUT...!
If i monitor the exhaust temperature of my heating and compare it to the power it delivers it's a very efficient thing. if it runs full whack and deliver 80°c feed temperature (rated 24kw then), the exhaust temperature is around 40°
clever mortar
Ah, sweeping generalities with no supporting evidence...
tawny orchid
natural gas is a better alternative then running on coal fired electricity, or god forbid, biomass ( burning tree pellet)
clear ferry
Compared to the US, yes?
forest edge
5 years is a joke atx, thats my point
tawny orchid
and yes, I agree we should go away from natural gass as well. but maybe not now
gusty wraith
and yes, I agree we should go away from natural gass as well. but maybe not now
there's no feasible alternative right now for old buildings like i own...
hushed basalt
natural gas is a better alternative then running on coal fired electricity, or g...
Natural gas is far worse than coal
They're both atrocious
tawny orchid
and produces less co2 then coal
hushed basalt
Yes but it leaks and causes far worse greenhouse contribution
gusty wraith
....if you have a very well tuned heating device it will reach an efficiency that is far superior to electricity
forest edge
Yes but it leaks and causes far worse *greenhouse* contribution
not nearly as much as other crap lol
gusty wraith
you have to take into account for losses of course...
tawny orchid
....if you have a very well tuned heating device it will reach an efficiency tha...
if you leak it you are doing it wrong, but yeah true
gusty wraith
can we agree that everything that is energy related right now isn't clean as such?
forest edge
austrlian plumbing.. if it ain't leaking, it ain't flowing
tawny orchid
oops wrong reply 😄
hushed basalt
forest edge
serving all 30 norwegians
gusty wraith
but that stuff needs to be maintained as well hm?
tawny orchid
yes atx that's brilliant.... but here in the netherlands,.... not as feasible
clear ferry
I should restart my subscription to national geographic
clear ferry
yes atx that's brilliant.... but here in the netherlands,.... not as feasible
Just flood the country, it was never meant to be
forest edge
try and not read too deep in biased articles
clear ferry
try and not read too deep in biased articles
Don't worry, I'm still watching 60 minutes
forest edge
Don't worry, I'm still watching 60 minutes
considering it's either that for 24/7 train/boat I don't blame you
i don't think unbiased exsists anymore but it use to
hushed basalt
When? When were newspapers ever unbiased
clear ferry
In 1962!
gusty wraith
You mean Norway's 96% hydro electric <@449488818412716033> ?
if you ask some random eco hippie on the streets they would insist on how this would ruin earth too...but i agree. hydro (and hydro thermal) is, in fact, clean.
clear ferry
When@forest edge was 22
forest edge
there are unbiased journalist in the world, just not working at the more known publishers lol
clear ferry
@gusty wraith I like the bigger farm houses here now, only ground heat for everything, really works too
forest edge
geothermal sounds promising but mehhh
gusty wraith
yeah that's something that is indeed on the rise here too. most of the energy is spent on heating and we can safely pull it out of the earth with a little drilling....
forest edge
I did like the concept of geothermal power like in jurasic park
clear ferry
They've done the geothermal here for.. 15+ years, but it only makes sense for stand alone houses
hushed basalt
Yeah it doesn't make sense for a lot of countries
forest edge
wouldn't geothermal in norway just turn your home into a basic cave?
hushed basalt
Air sourced heat pump is preferable if it's viable
forest edge
constant 60 degrees lol
forest edge
i have a house two blocks from me who put in ground pipes for geothermal. no idea how well it's working for them
forest edge
but if it takes a combination of two sources to maintain a home in low temps then that to me sounds dumb
as in how hot it can get and cold it can be?
hushed basalt
Ground sourced heat pumps don't need two sources?
forest edge
when temps are too cold you need a secondary
noway it can keepm up
here it can get as hot as 43c and as cold as -28c
forest edge
while they work
clear ferry
Because I bought a cheaper version
forest edge
never said they couldn't put out heat, just said they are unreliable compared to traditional
clear ferry
How is it unreliable if it never stops?
forest edge
every system here comes with a built in emergency heat setting just cause of that
clear ferry
forest edge
only takes once
hushed basalt
when temps are too cold you need a secondary
The whole point of ground source is it's never too cold
Since ground temps are stable and moderate all year round
forest edge
but above ground temps fluxuate
so your pumping a constant temp which is either not enough or too much and sometimes just right
hushed basalt
... I'm not sure you understand how heat pumps work
hushed basalt
I assume don't try to pump ground loop water through their radiators
clear ferry
The ground heat stuff here is adjustable
You just press buttons like a regular heat pump
And it adjusts valves
forest edge
I didn't think they could handle drastic changes
clear ferry
forest edge
atleast the shows I seen where they use it in alaska they made it seem that way
they have to use geothermal and fire places together or eletric heaters
clear ferry
It's dug down 100cm into the ground, 2-400 meters from your house, other than that it behaves like any heat pump
winter wren
nobody uses guinea pigs in wheels for generating electricity? 😦
forest edge
I don't think it works exactly the same as a traditional heat pump
or maybe it does and just isn't able to output enough
forest edge
every show i ever seen where they were installed which is usually with solar as well indicated that during peak temp changes both have to be used to maintain the temps in the home
that geothermal is great for subtle changes but not for drastic
clear ferry
Last I checked, the bedrock one was $14k and covered up to 400m2 house all year
forest edge
that shit is written is Klingon
clear ferry
Apparently they are made to last 25-30 years before replacement
Which is a good investment
forest edge
what is
clear ferry
The ones above
forest edge
if your talking about the pipes below 30 years is a joke
clear ferry
No maintenance
forest edge
that cannot be right
clear ferry
All the resellers state that
forest edge
I have sepetic tanks last longer than that
forest edge
fuck that
it needs a 100 year lifespan
pretty sure the older ones were literally 100 year lifespan
maybe the price drop in install dropped it's life as well lol
30 years is a jkoke, roof shingles last 35
dusky plank
show me your 100year american home
forest edge
@dusky plank uh my farm house is actually older than 100 years
dusky plank
pics or...
forest edge
i mean I could thumb through my phone pics.. but it would be a picture of a house..
dusky plank
😄 but would you say that average american homes are that old? don‘t think so
forest edge
no of course not
but if you are going to invest into a system like that it needs to last that long
thats why gas furnace > heat pump.. gas furnaces will easily outlast you and can very easily outlast your kids
reliable vs not as reliable
why i won't go solar till they improved the panels life span
who the hell wants to replace panels everytime your shingles needs to be replaced
and they do that shit on prpose
even tho they are capable of making them last a whole lot longer
clear ferry
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hushed basalt
Sounds like a twitch streamer who has an onlyfans
clear ferry
That would be sonomagts
hushed basalt
