#the-water-cooler | Home Assistant | Page 642

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:42 AM

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so it doesn't affect my kitchen display

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I use my kitchen display for TTS alerts for doors opening and doorbell

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but it overlaps the display which isn't good

formal plover Jan 4, 2021, 2:43 AM

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i just don't know, for instance when i want an extra room i want to be able to tick that rooms audio box and it tunes in to Spotify, but maybe i am looking at it the wrong way idk

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:44 AM

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hrm. I wonder if you can edit gorups on the fly

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yeah, I noticed recently you can do that with the Home app itself

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(adding speakers on the fly)

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but since a home group is exposed as a media_player, not sure if you can add stuffs

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it might just be treated as another cast device (probbably) but too lazy to look in source

formal plover Jan 4, 2021, 2:47 AM

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yeah groups are just an extra cast device

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it shows up in spotify

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:47 AM

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yerp, I see them in my HA already

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just didn't know about manipulating them

formal plover Jan 4, 2021, 2:48 AM

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ponder

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:49 AM

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it'd probably be easier to change the volume to 0 for rooms you don't want 😛 jk, that'd suck

formal plover Jan 4, 2021, 2:50 AM

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that would be one way to do it kinda, but... TTS would be a nightmare

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:52 AM

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yeah, I don't see anything in the hacky api stuff but you might

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https://ludeeus.github.io/googledevices/platforms

googledevices

Get information from, and control various Google devices.

formal plover Jan 4, 2021, 2:56 AM

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maybe i should first clean up my HA configs and then take on further fun projects XD

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 3:24 AM

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@formal plover you can use spotcast for gh minis.

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https://github.com/fondberg/spotcast

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fondberg/spotcast

Home assistant custom component to start Spotify playback on an idle chromecast device - fondberg/spotcast

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 3:47 AM

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Any way to dynamically make the groups?

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📎 Screenshot_20210103-214640.png

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Like this

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That you know of, that is

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 3:55 AM

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molten osprey Jan 4, 2021, 4:04 AM

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Anybody around with a good knowledge of wifi LED bulbs?

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 4:12 AM

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could you be more specific

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 4:14 AM

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My ancestors used to raise led bulbs all day and night and would be lucky to have one per year. Now days, with modern technology, our family farm can harvest over 50,000 bulbs a day.

molten osprey Jan 4, 2021, 4:18 AM

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@forest edge I'm looking for bulbs that have RGB, CW and WW LEDs ... but all i find is a decision between CW and WW, in combination with RGB

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 4:22 AM

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if you want both cold white and warm white bulbs listed with RGBCW provide that

molten osprey Jan 4, 2021, 4:22 AM

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by using tthe RGB to create the warm bit?

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 4:23 AM

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nah they have both a warm white led and cold white led on the board

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for example https://www.amazon.com/BERENNIS-Dimmable-Multicolored-Required-Compatible/dp/B07GGWNQT7/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&m=AD75M36NXWHKN&qid=1609734070&s=merchant-items&sr=1-1

molten osprey Jan 4, 2021, 4:23 AM

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oh nice

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thanks

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good price too 🙂

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 5:45 AM

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@night zodiac no dynamic groups. Just make multiple groups, monitor status on devices and groups, send TTS to idle ones. Since resume is not possible in a clean manner what you are trying to do might not be possible ATM.

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On a side note, TTS gets pretty boring and annoying after months/years unless for critical alerts like leaks, if that.

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 6:12 AM

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tidal bronze On a side note, TTS gets pretty boring and annoying after months/years unless fo...

i thought you used tts for everything.. like letting you know when you are entering the bathroom and once again when you sit on the pot and another with each drop then finally letting you know to wash your hands and use air freshner

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 6:14 AM

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Lol. 3 or 4 years ago. If TTS goes off in the house now, that means I accidentally unmuted all crap.

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 6:39 AM

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pretty sure you got them going off once every few minutes saying something like, "spending a lot of money on audio stuff is not crazy, people will respect your collection"

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 7:33 AM

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bitcoin value is now xyz every 60 seconds you mean @forest edge

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 10:30 AM

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noice, got both my two lora controllers running esphome and with working displays

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 11:42 AM

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Ammonia sensors connected too so you can detect chicken shit levels?

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 11:47 AM

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I don't have range to get all the way to Newcastle 🤔

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now to figure out how the heck I can tell esphome to use a specific version of a library, seems like the homegrown LoRA stuff uses ArduinoJson5 while esphome installs 6 by default

velvet horizonBOT Jan 4, 2021, 11:59 AM

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@clear ferry ESPHome is a system to control your ESP8266/ESP32, with a native integration for Home Assistant.

You can find their documentation here, and get help with ESPHome itself here in the #diy-archived channel (#integrations-archived for the integration). They also have their own Discord server too.

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 11:59 AM

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🤣

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 11:59 AM

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fuckyou

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I could convert the json bits from json 5 to json 6, but then I would need to read the upgrade docs and understand what I'm doing 🤣

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noice, I actually managed to do it

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deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 12:56 PM

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So your chicken coop monitor is up and running?

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 12:58 PM

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no

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esphome does not support lora nativly and all the efforts seems to have broken over time

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so I'm trying arduino

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smart

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 12:58 PM

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Sucks that you can't use ESPHome. Would've been a 2 minute job.

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At least Arduino will only be a 15 minute job, right?

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 12:59 PM

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well, with my level of CODE

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let that be 15 hours

tame sand Jan 4, 2021, 1:34 PM

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clear ferry let that be 15 hours

u gonna programm it in assembly or what?

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 1:38 PM

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NONE OF YOUR BEESWAX

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actually, I'm trying openmqttgateway now

midnight adder Jan 4, 2021, 1:53 PM

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are yeelights a good option when it comes to using them in our living?

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because i've read many many posts about why they are good

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and not good

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so i'm not sure anymore

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 1:54 PM

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See #hardware-archived for device recommendations

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The answer is depends

midnight adder Jan 4, 2021, 1:54 PM

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oh god

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 1:55 PM

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Fortunately for everybody, no deities here, just mods...

midnight adder Jan 4, 2021, 1:56 PM

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so if i remove it really fast i won't be in trouble?

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 1:57 PM

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clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 1:59 PM

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midnight adder Jan 4, 2021, 2:00 PM

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last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:05 PM

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@last plaza RTFM 🙂

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I think you press the set button for 2 seconds then adjust with the up/down

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 2:07 PM

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again I remember why I struggled with openmqttgateway 🤣

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/home/eirikz/Downloads/OpenMQTTGateway-0.9.5/OpenMQTTGateway-0.9.5/main/ZgatewayLORA.ino: In function 'void setupLORA()':
ZgatewayLORA:37:52: error: no matching function for call to 'SPIClass::begin(int, int, int, int)'
   SPI.begin(LORA_SCK, LORA_MISO, LORA_MOSI, LORA_SS);

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apparently that means I didn't select a board yet

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logical

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night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:21 PM

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I always just write the arduino stuff with pubsubclient

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PlatformIO in VS Code is the way

last plaza Jan 4, 2021, 2:33 PM

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@last dirge I got it. It was more like dumbass interface 😝

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:33 PM

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oh, it's crap for sure

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 2:40 PM

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I have lora @deft pewter

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they are now communicating

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N: Received json : {"rssi":-122,"snr":-6.5,"pferror":6266,"packetSize":8,"message":"hello 31"}

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:43 PM

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nice

cold dew Jan 4, 2021, 2:43 PM

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Need some help setting up https for local access on home assistant

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 2:44 PM

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with antenna attached I get RSI of -30

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and SNR of 9.75

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noice

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now to figure out how to send actual sensors

hearty depot Jan 4, 2021, 2:45 PM

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First day back at work.. been like.. super efficient

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 2:45 PM

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I've actually spent 3 hours of actual work today

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:45 PM

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You said that 20 seconds after I talked myself into working tomorrow.

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 2:45 PM

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I am impressed

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the rest have just been procrastinating

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:46 PM

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I'll add some variables. If I get a message from anyone from work today, I will start working.

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If not, I assume they are starting on Tuesday too.

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:47 PM

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I'm about to start an integration testing suite

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such fun!

hearty depot Jan 4, 2021, 2:47 PM

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just force them to do test driven development, they ll shurly love it

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:48 PM

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I'm "them"

hearty depot Jan 4, 2021, 2:49 PM

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go!
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last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:50 PM

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my code's clean

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yo

hearty depot Jan 4, 2021, 2:51 PM

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last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:51 PM

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everything I've written for these stories but the data access layer is pretty heavily tested, 80% line coverage, 100% branch coverage

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just have to verify the data access is working as it should other than running it and looking at the SQL and saying "yeah, that's it"

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:52 PM

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That is why I am delaying my work until tomorrow. I don't want to start writing tests yet and I told myself I would write them from the start for this next project.

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I should maybe make coffee before I decide my day

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:53 PM

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some jackass decided to start enforcing code quality standards

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static code analysis using sonarqube

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:53 PM

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you 😛 ?

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:53 PM

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test coverage, all that

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yes, that jackass is me

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:53 PM

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haha

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you'll love yourself for it in about 8 months

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if that project is still being dev'd

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:53 PM

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I know

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most of the stuff is ripping out shit legacy code

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:53 PM

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I am the sole developer so I am always the jackass

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:54 PM

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right now I'm converting stuff that's currently in Oracle packages to code

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and it's DIRTY

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well, the Oracle stuff

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:54 PM

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Java? Idk what you doing with Oracle

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:54 PM

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yeah, java

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:54 PM

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Idk things. I am web dev

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:54 PM

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someone decided to "develop" a part of the application in Oracle packages

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:54 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/cute-brain-dance-l41m04gr7tRet7Uas

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last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:55 PM

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essentially grouped stored procedures that live in the database

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:55 PM

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oh, odd. logic in more places

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fun

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so you're just stripping out bullshit in their procedure layer and doing it normally before the db?

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:55 PM

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I'm unraveling that shit code and finding multiple places where it would seem like it would break, totally randomly

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well, it's more than just running procedures

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I'm moving all of that into the app and out of the DB

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and fixing a bunch of shit while I'm at it

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:56 PM

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nice

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:56 PM

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it's a ton of copypasta currently

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:56 PM

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oh, in my head I imagined the procedures were a different language for some reason

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:57 PM

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they are

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they're SQL

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I have to do what they're doing in java

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:57 PM

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oh, that'd make sense

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got it

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:57 PM

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well, PL/SQL

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:57 PM

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perl?

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:57 PM

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that's just what Oracle calls their scripting language

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:57 PM

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oh, got it. thanks for answering my curiosities, lol

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:58 PM

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I'm a full-stack dev

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so I get all the horrors of coding 🙂

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:58 PM

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I write my backends in typescript mostly.

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 2:58 PM

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Frontend 🤢

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:58 PM

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I don't ever need like huge processing or I would probably use Go for funs

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:59 PM

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I write my frontends in typescript, mostly

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Angular

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:59 PM

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yeah, I'm just doing TS both

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 2:59 PM

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NodeJS here. I want the team to switch to using TS but there's too much resistance.

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 2:59 PM

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I'm a Vue whore

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well I use TS with node

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I wouldn't use deno for a long while

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 2:59 PM

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Vue seems to be "not the choice of java developers everywhere"

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 3:00 PM

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I am pretty involved with using Nuxt and love it

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 3:00 PM

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usually React or Angular

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 3:00 PM

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yeah, I believe because of licensing

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but that isn't an issue for me

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nobody will ever see the codeszzss, just use the products

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 3:00 PM

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React 🔥

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 3:00 PM

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this app is in OLD angular

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"why can't we just upgrade?"

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LOL

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 3:01 PM

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I used React before Vue and then recently I did a project in React just to learn their new hooks

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angular is something I would never use

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ever

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7 versions of docs online

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all different

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fuck that

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 3:01 PM

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not really

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but okay

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 3:02 PM

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I was about to say, it is probably more mature now

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but they were on like version 3 of a completely different API in like 3 years

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 3:02 PM

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everything switched at 2+

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 3:02 PM

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what version is angular now? This was like 3 or 4, Idk

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oh, or 2

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 3:02 PM

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2+ is Typescript, systemjs

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 3:02 PM

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Idk shit

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 3:03 PM

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version 11 just released at the end of last year

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 3:03 PM

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o.O

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 3:03 PM

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2+ is syntactically similar

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prior to 2 is completely different

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luckily I wrote pretty much everything to where it'd be simple to convert but it's a lot more than just changing a version number

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 3:05 PM

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I am reading into it now and it is wild

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angular 6 automatically updated code for breaking changes? neat maybe

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https://www.angularminds.com/site_data/static/images/angular-6-7-8/angular-6-7-8-9.png dat new new new new new

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 3:08 PM

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they announced angular 2 after we were like 70% to release

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 3:09 PM

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I remember reading a lot of sourness about angular and avoided it. I tried to dig into it I believe on version 2 but the docs were all version 1 and cluttered my google.

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 3:09 PM

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old docs -> angularjs

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new docs -> angular

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 3:10 PM

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yeah, lol

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I kept using React until Vue came around and have been living a boring life ever since

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Angular has to be nice for the amount of people that use 'er. Vue 3 has a new API that I am excited to use.

last plaza Jan 4, 2021, 3:24 PM

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night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 3:25 PM

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It might be because I'm in offline mode but I don't have any messages yet.

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I sent gift baskets to them that arrive at their house today. That should give me at least a day.

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welp, just got a work email

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fuck

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I was sent an email to figure out the best email to use on salesforce.

amber bramble Jan 4, 2021, 3:44 PM

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you have to deal with salesforce? :rip:

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2 of the departments i support use salesforce. thankfully we have a dedicated salesforce developer on staff that deals with all of the nonsense

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 3:45 PM

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We have like a team of salesforce people. Thanksfully, thus far I have only had to do simple operations 😛

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CRUD fields

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more like just "UD"

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They do all of the UI shit in the actual salesforce for reports and such.

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I just automate things

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with TS/JS

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we have a CMS we use that I write a lot of stuff to <--> between the SF and CMS

hushed basalt Jan 4, 2021, 4:07 PM

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Has anyone ever got cucumberjs working with a create-react-app TS project

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 4:14 PM

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sounds hot

fiery geyser Jan 4, 2021, 4:15 PM

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I really just spent hours trying to fix something without remembering my router rule turns 443 into 8123

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pain

hushed basalt Jan 4, 2021, 4:19 PM

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Cucumberjs seems to self implode with esnext

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Do BDD they said, it's best practice they said

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Would help if the libraries were actually properly documented.

tepid roost Jan 4, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Started the day with a fully dead router while already juggling emergency home schooling. It's been a long day.

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 4:44 PM

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For gaming PC AMD or Intel?

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 4:45 PM

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AMD is great for bang-for-buck at the moment

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 4:46 PM

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If buck is not a concern?

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 4:46 PM

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I'd suggest AMD to others but I am an intel whore so I bought all intel/nvidia

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amd still probably

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if you want performance

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I would do AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU

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bbut that is me

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the amd cpu and new gpus are supposed to be able to share ram directly

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bbut still, the features of nvidia are great for me.

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 4:47 PM

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Have no clue about the gaming world so thanks for the input. Any gain in using thread ripper?

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 4:47 PM

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I have seen negative results with trying to game with threadripper even though it really shouldn't matter

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I would just get the stuff meant for nonservers

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I like nvidia gpus because it has DLSS, proven hardware encoding that works really well, and the machine learning is on pretty much all the gpus and ready to use

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I recently bought a 10900K and a 3090 but haven't put it together yet.

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 4:49 PM

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RTX 2080 single or SLI?

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 4:50 PM

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SLI is a waste of money and causes more trouble than it is worth

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better to just get a beefier single card rather than 2 gpus

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If you want the beef for cpu's, 5900X for 5950X

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don't skimp on mobo and power supply

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g.skill is my ram go-to and behind that I would use corsair

tepid roost Jan 4, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Ah that reminds me of the chat the other day about really high core count CPUs like TR and quad channel having a significant impact specifically on the top-1% frames of gaming. I remembered that at these high core counts, the all cores don't have as nice access to memory controllers as lower count ones do. So a thread might end up requesting access to memory on a sub-optimally connected memory controller. More cores vs. channels means higher probability of that scenario happening and especially the open world titles mentioned as examples, run in high detail mode, would be prone to saturate many sticks of memory - further increasing that probability (things not necessarily located in super adjacent pages). In a scenario like that, cutting the channel count in half would significantly increase the likelihood of the suboptimal scenario - but it would be an access time problem, not bandwidth.

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 5:04 PM

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yeah, was helping someone not too long ago with a game that is very CPU specific. He had like a 32 core threadripper and it was running terribly.

tepid roost Jan 4, 2021, 5:05 PM

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Which strikes me as a far more likely culprit than bandwidth. With the possible exception of VR, games just don't really need to simultaneously access that much stuff from memory.

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 5:05 PM

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I only "play" counter strike so I'm not much of a gamer

tepid roost Jan 4, 2021, 5:07 PM

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Most games are not that thread heavy and would in top-1% be quite sensitive to the timing punishment from access misses like the above.

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The conversation was around TR offering more cores but at lower clock, so I was arguing that lower count clocked higher would yield better results. The argument was made that the TR ability to run quad channel mattered more than the clock difference because a collection of open world games had been observed to take a hit to top-1% frames when the setup was running in dual channel mode in stead of quad channel - with the conclusion being that memory bandwidth mattered more than CPU clock for those titles. That just struck me as super odd.

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But taking the access time issue into account, the results make sense to me.

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Anyway, that puzzle was way more fun than the stupid dead router.

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 5:23 PM

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So you're trying to say that being able to access twice the data at the same time isn't considered twice the bandwidth?

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🤔

granite hare Jan 4, 2021, 5:23 PM

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night zodiac I would do AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU

same here

granite hare Jan 4, 2021, 5:26 PM

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tidal bronze RTX 2080 single or SLI?

I'm going with a Ryzen 5 3600 and a GTX 3060 Ti (If I can ever find one). Planning on playing mostly VR on it

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 5:32 PM

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I feel like a peasant with my 2060 now 🤣

last cedar Jan 4, 2021, 5:36 PM

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Cries in 1660 super

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 5:38 PM

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1660 is basically the 2060 minus ray tracing, no? It's just as good 🙂

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 5:38 PM

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granite hare I'm going with a Ryzen 5 3600 and a GTX 3060 Ti (If I can ever find one). Planni...

3060/3090 all hard to find or overpriced.

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 5:38 PM

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So if you don't need your Minecraft to look all shiny, no problem.

granite hare Jan 4, 2021, 5:39 PM

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tidal bronze 3060/3090 all hard to find or overpriced.

Yeah, best bet is an actual retail store but don't have any near me that carry graphics cards unfortunately

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hopefully supply ramps up before too long

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I'm not paying extra to ebay scalpers 😜

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 5:46 PM

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Gaming computers 🤢

last cedar Jan 4, 2021, 5:47 PM

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Raspi gaming computers

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With sd cards

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 5:49 PM

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deft pewter 1660 is basically the 2060 minus ray tracing, no? It's just as good 🙂

Might as well get a used GTX 980 Ti for $150 over a GTX 1660 Ti...

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 5:49 PM

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My 3090 and 10900k has sat in a box since the 3090 dropped, lol

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 5:50 PM

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The 980 Ti is actually slightly faster than a 1660 Ti, and WAY cheaper

orchid rose Jan 4, 2021, 5:50 PM

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Are you sure about getting the R5 3600 and not the 5600x for gaming?

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5600 is significantly faster and that difference will increase in the future I'm sure

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 5:51 PM

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Hell, you could actually get a used Titan X (a bit faster than a 980 Ti, and with double the VRAM) for less than a 1660 Ti...

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You know prices on new cards are fucky when a Titan starts to look cost effective. lol

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 5:52 PM

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that reminds me, I paid for a delidding service but never sent my CPU in

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whoops

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📎 IMG_20210104_115233634.jpg

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 5:53 PM

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Heh, which CPU? I delidded my old i7 3770k

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3D printed the tool and popped it right open

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 5:53 PM

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10900K, they bin it for you too

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I almost bought the tool but the service was cheap

eternal wing Jan 4, 2021, 5:53 PM

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Does home assistant allow to reload an integration from API? for the integrations that are done through the configuration.xml?

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 5:53 PM

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they do it all day and every day so I'd rather trust them for a new CPU 😛

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 5:53 PM

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I thought about buying the tool, but printing it was a hell of a lot cheaper...

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 5:54 PM

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glad it worked for you. From the videos I have seen, plastic would be a bit tough

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must be very hard plastic

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Nah, PLA worked fine. Printed the model solid

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 5:54 PM

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nice. I wonder if older cpus are easier

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this bad bitch had a vise-like setup and threaded screws to pop it

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 5:55 PM

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Older CPUs aren't soldered, so yeah

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 5:55 PM

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ahhh, that would make sense

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just force held together

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 5:55 PM

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There's generally not much point to delidding a soldered IHS

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 5:56 PM

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I am just doing it for a couple degrees maybe. no real loss

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I don't do crazy OC's or anything, I just wanted to delid for new build

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and bin

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 5:57 PM

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📎 20190605_224744.jpg

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 5:57 PM

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less guess work for the tune

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 5:57 PM

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3D printed delid tool ^

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 5:57 PM

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nice print

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she cute

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 5:57 PM

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Just clamp it in a vice and
pop

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For the record, I tested it on an old i3 first 😛

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 5:58 PM

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haha

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 5:58 PM

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Wasn't going to risk a 3770k on the first shot >_>

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 5:59 PM

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I was just showing quad this site. They sell binned and delidded cpus. https://siliconlottery.com/

Silicon Lottery

Silicon Lottery - Overclocked Intel & AMD Ryzen CPUs

Binned Intel and AMD CPUs available at Silicon Lottery! The CPUs we sell are thoroughly tested for their maximum overclocking potential, so you know exactly what you're getting.

tepid roost Jan 4, 2021, 5:59 PM

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deft pewter So you're trying to say that being able to access twice the data at the same tim...

No that would be a pretty silly thing to say. Why would I say that?

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 5:59 PM

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it's also who I paid for the delidding

tepid roost Jan 4, 2021, 6:01 PM

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Granted, it has been a long day 😛

last cedar Jan 4, 2021, 6:01 PM

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@subtle pasture I got mine new for 100 euro less than they sell for today, so I did okay :)

low harness Jan 4, 2021, 6:02 PM

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So is delidding like when people used to sand their cpus to 10 bajillion grit to increase thermal conductivity with .01 K/mW?

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:02 PM

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tepid roost Most games are not _that_ thread heavy and would in top-1% be quite sensitive to...

For even more "hmm-worthy" content, you might want to watch that video I linked again and watch the GPU usage counter on both sides. The GPU usage on the quad-channel side is actually significantly higher a lot of the time, indicating that a bottleneck has been alleviated. Kinda neat

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:02 PM

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the lid is soldered on to the cpu and has some paste between the lid and the magic. they open it up, put good thermal paste in

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-bad paste +good paste

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:03 PM

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@brisk glen You snagged a 1660 Ti for 100 euro? 😮

low harness Jan 4, 2021, 6:03 PM

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*W/mK ...awkward...

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:04 PM

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nobody noticed until you pointed it out

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😛

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:05 PM

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@low harness Delidding can help in instances where contact between the die and IHS is sub-optimal, which became somewhat common when intel switched from soldering the IHS to the die, to using thermal compound.

tepid roost Jan 4, 2021, 6:05 PM

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subtle pasture For even more "hmm-worthy" content, you might want to watch that video I linked ...

Oh that's really interesting. I wonder how much of that is driver overhead in environments they were not initially designed for. I'd guess drivers running more modern APIs like Vulcan/DX12/Metal would show less of a swing there. But good material - thanks 🙂

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:05 PM

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smart Leapo is smarter than me

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:05 PM

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Intel has since switched back to soldering the IHS to the die, so delidding isn't as popular (or as easy) anymore.

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:05 PM

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it isn't something to really even consider unless you are a dweeb

vital stag Jan 4, 2021, 6:07 PM

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Hello all and HNY. I'm new here and learning fast. Trying to whitelist an ip and having issues in trusted networks. what room do I go to? yes, I googled the living crap outta this already 😉

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:07 PM

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try #general-archived if unsure

vital stag Jan 4, 2021, 6:07 PM

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makes sense thanks

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 6:07 PM

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Just like the topic here says 😉

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:07 PM

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GOOGLE THAT TOPIC

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jk

vital stag Jan 4, 2021, 6:08 PM

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RTFM (read the f*** manual) lol

tepid roost Jan 4, 2021, 6:09 PM

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I came across a video of a guy not just delidding, but as a follow-up adjusting a liquid cooler to mash directly up against the CPU dies - skipping the IHS entirely. The follow-up video was entirely predictable.

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:10 PM

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lol

tepid roost Jan 4, 2021, 6:10 PM

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Valiant effort to be sure

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:10 PM

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Did he smash the taller parts?

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:11 PM

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tepid roost Oh that's really interesting. I wonder how much of that is driver overhead in en...

A low-level API might show less swing there, though I'm pretty sure some of the titles tested were DX12 / Vulcan...

tepid roost Jan 4, 2021, 6:11 PM

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Oh no painstakingly applying a sander and very fine measurement tools.

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Though IIRC the actual CPU mount needed cutting a bit.

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:12 PM

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Also, the system tested was Haswell-E/Broadwell-E. I don't believe is suffers from memory controller pathing issues (even with 8+ cores), being a single-die design

tepid roost Jan 4, 2021, 6:12 PM

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Huh. Well there goes that theory. Back to being fully baffled 😛

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:13 PM

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High core count Ryzen CPUs have multiple dies with an interlink, and can absolutely have weird memory access latency issues when threads get split across dies.. but this is an older/simpler design

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:13 PM

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why am I being cc'd in emails that have nothing to do with me

tepid roost Jan 4, 2021, 6:14 PM

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night zodiac why am I being cc'd in emails that have nothing to do with me

Oh yea I was fully thinking of the ryzen setup when pondering the puzzle.

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:18 PM

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@tepid roost I mean, one thing we can tell for sure is that the GPU isn't waiting as much for something, lol

tepid roost Jan 4, 2021, 6:19 PM

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🎉

granite hare Jan 4, 2021, 6:25 PM

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night zodiac

give me that! 😜

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:27 PM

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I haven't watched southpark since I was like 10 years old but "sucky sucky' pops into my head every now and then

granite hare Jan 4, 2021, 6:28 PM

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not suprised

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:28 PM

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😛

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I sent out a bunch of food baskets this year and people are just now getting them

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popcorn + chocolates so not too bbad

granite hare Jan 4, 2021, 6:30 PM

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well if it was "this year" then they are only 3 days old at most, right?

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:30 PM

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don't make me kiss you

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I bought them the 23rd, I think

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maybe 22nd

granite hare Jan 4, 2021, 6:31 PM

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2020 or 2019?

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:31 PM

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yes

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I got 'er on the 22nd

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0krTGssXFA this guy's youtube channel has been so damn interesting.

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great sub

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:37 PM

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https://www.hardwaretimes.com/dual-channel-vs-single-channel-ram-which-one-is-better/
Hard to find many people benchmarking dual vs. quad channel, but this single vs. dual channel roundup is illuminating

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:37 PM

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'probably been posted in here 20 times

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:38 PM

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if you scroll down to the benchmarks, there are massive swings in gaming performance (again, particularly the 1% lows) by doubling the number of channels

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I imagine going from single to dual is a bigger improvement than going from dual to quad, but still...

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 6:40 PM

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what are you nerds talking about?

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:40 PM

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All of it

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:40 PM

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Kinda all over the map, really...

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 6:40 PM

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more channels == more gooder?

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:41 PM

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@last dirge Seems that way. lol

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:41 PM

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2 over 1 has always bbeen real fucking good is all I know

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pretty cool when you open your friends computer and both of their ram is on the same channel

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https://giphy.com/gifs/filmeditor-high-five-sacha-baron-cohen-l0ErFafpUCQTQFMSk

Giphy

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:41 PM

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Lol, yeah, move the stick one slot over and BAM! Instant upgrade.

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"I just doubled your memory bandwidth. You're welcome"

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:42 PM

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yeah, I have started to just check with cpu z

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very common

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 6:43 PM

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(Not Responding)

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cool story, bro

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:43 PM

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my CPU doesn't handle the higher RAM frequencies really well. I wasted some of my life about half a year ago trying to tune it before I just went back to stable.

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oh, I actually need to revisit that.

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my cooler was dead and I didn't realize it until after

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womp womp

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:45 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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That 1T command rate though 👀

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:45 PM

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meh, I'll just focus that energy on the new computer

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why you post that SS literally the second I close mine?

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:46 PM

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lol

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:46 PM

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opens cpuz

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my RAM isn't fancy at all. I want to show how boring it is.

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https://share.busheezy.dev/xs4b15.png

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:47 PM

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Oof

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My RAM isn't fancy either. I specifically bought low-profile sticks with no RGB >_>

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:47 PM

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did you have to fit under a cooler?

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:47 PM

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It was "just in case" it needed to fit under a big cooler, yeah

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:48 PM

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ahhh, did pcpartpicker warn ya

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:48 PM

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Wound up getting a Noctua NH-D15S, which clears high-profile RAM just fine

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:48 PM

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nice.

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this computer actually needs gone through but I am lazy. my voltage is way too high so temps are crazy.

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need to lower voltage, raise clock, raise ram freq

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:50 PM

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I suppose one of the benefits of quad channel is you don't need to sacrifice timings for clockspeed (since you have bandwidth to spare, and then some)

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My RAM is at stock frequency (3200 MHz) with tightened timings... and that's partially because that's about the highest clockspeed Haswell-E's memory controller will support, anyway. lol

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:51 PM

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mine is stock timings but raised above the base freq by a bit

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base = whatever the max is for the arch., might be 3200

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before OC, that is

brisk glen Jan 4, 2021, 6:54 PM

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Benefits of a unified memory setup

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Godly

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No copying between the cpu, gpu etc, which means it’s faster and uses less memory

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:55 PM

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Yeah, we'll see when unified memory makes it to desktop PCs...

last cedar Jan 4, 2021, 6:55 PM

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@subtle pasture X99?

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:56 PM

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@last cedar Yup

last cedar Jan 4, 2021, 6:56 PM

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Nice, looks like a memory monster

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:57 PM

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Indeed. I'm curious how it'll stack up against the first DDR5-based systems

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@brisk glen You see this, btw? https://developer.nvidia.com/gpudirect

NVIDIA Developer

GPUDirect

NVIDIA GPUDirect Enhancing Data Movement and Access for GPUs Whether you are exploring mountains of data, researching scientific problems, training neural networks, or modeling financial markets, you need a computing platform with the highest data throughput. GPUs consume data much faster than CPUs and as the GPU computing horsepower increases, ...

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:58 PM

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I'll still be playing my 20 year old game

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 6:58 PM

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Lemmings?

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:58 PM

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Lemmings is like 30 years old...

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 6:59 PM

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yeah, it was released a few months I was born

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I just googled it, lol

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 6:59 PM

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Damn, I was close. it'll be exactly 30 in February

brisk glen Jan 4, 2021, 6:59 PM

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@subtle pasture oh god

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Give me AMD unified memory tech

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That looks like another complex layer for devs to work with from Nvidia

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 7:00 PM

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gimme mix match unified memory tech

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gimme birds

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 7:01 PM

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GPUDirect actually removed a bunch of complexity. The GPU can just talk to PCIe storage devices directly, without going through the CPU or system RAM first

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So your GPU can stream data from disk rather than having to ask the CPU to fetch it into RAM, then transfer the data from system RAM to video RAM

brisk glen Jan 4, 2021, 7:02 PM

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Sounds like a fun usb attack vector

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 7:02 PM

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USB doesn't enter into it, it's not on the PCIe bus

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Thunderbolt is, but there are already major concerns about Thunderbolt exposing PCIe externally...

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GPUDirect only works with NVMe storage devices (uses PCIe Peer-2-Peer). SATA / USB need not apply.

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 7:34 PM

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Just like firewire

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Which was wonderful

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You could read ad authentication in realtime

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Via the FireWire port

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 7:35 PM

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when they said thunderbolt, my mind read "firewire"

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my brain combined them into that stuff I never use/d

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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the desire to rename shit and change it's shape is annoying as balls

idle lance Jan 4, 2021, 7:47 PM

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I have ALS, and I use HA to speak to my family in my home through Google home devices. Does anyone know how to setup tts.cloudsay, globally instead of calling the service?

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 7:48 PM

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@idle lance #integrations-archived will be a good channel for that, not entirely sure what you want, but I think it will be possible

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 8:05 PM

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forest edge the desire to rename shit and change it's shape is annoying as balls

hot take: balls are annoying 😂

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:07 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/animation-funny-fun-26FLhKYOaYD19IbFm

Giphy

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 8:08 PM

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Especially when you have old man balls like me

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https://tenor.com/view/loose-skin-old-balls-gross-head-shaking-gif-15040111

Tenor

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 8:08 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/spit-water-water-shocked-the-incredibles-violet-gif-12114173

Tenor

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 8:24 PM

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There was some game 20 years ago....

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A wise old man replied in a dialogue with I'd like to help you but my balls are soggy

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Can't remember what the game was

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 8:28 PM

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angry dragon

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📎 unknown.png

last plaza Jan 4, 2021, 8:29 PM

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@last dirge

📎 image0.png

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 8:29 PM

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what is this? a backpack for ants?

last plaza Jan 4, 2021, 8:29 PM

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lmao

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You can’t put everything in there, but for light packing.

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 8:30 PM

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is that slickdeals?

last plaza Jan 4, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Yup

last cedar Jan 4, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Made a collosal mistake

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 8:30 PM

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holy crap

last cedar Jan 4, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Looked at a possum video

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 8:30 PM

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https://www.adorama.com/jogp3kkpro.html

last cedar Jan 4, 2021, 8:30 PM

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And now I want a possum too :/

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 8:31 PM

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that thing's normally $150?

last plaza Jan 4, 2021, 8:31 PM

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https://www.adorama.com/incp30218bk.html?sterm=TcvzjFw7TxyLWuHxTSQPxVT4UkEyvySMixbwxI0&utm_source=rflaid62905

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 8:31 PM

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@last cedar I got to hold a baby possum

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his name was Derp

last cedar Jan 4, 2021, 8:31 PM

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jelly

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Hahaha, Derp, love it

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Ooh, nice bag

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 8:31 PM

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he has something wrong with him

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he lives with a vet tech

last cedar Jan 4, 2021, 8:32 PM

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Oh no :(

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:36 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/computer-napoleon-dynamite-kip-l3E6BG56dhjuawAX6

Giphy

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 8:40 PM

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So who wants to migrate 6k users from Discord to somewhere really modern and feature-packed like IRC?

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Show of hands please.

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 8:41 PM

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What about to BBS ?

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Let's not be too modern

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 8:42 PM

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I miss the days of pure text and dial tones

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Like a hole in the head

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:43 PM

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OSCAR protocol for life

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 8:44 PM

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Oh, no. I scared them off.

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 8:45 PM

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Hello Folks! I recently came across the HA project. Great work and an amazing project. I have one suggestion though. Please consider an ethical alternative (https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Remote_Communication) to discord, which doesn't infringe on computer user's freedom (https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html).

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If you are looking for an ethical platform that is as polished as Discord, then I suggest Zulip.

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 8:45 PM

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Proprietary Software Is Often Malware
What, the 🇫

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 8:45 PM

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Thanks!

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 8:46 PM

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So, the answer to one free commercial platform is a paid for one

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https://tenor.com/view/big-hero6-baymax-there-there-there-youll-be-okay-gif-4184945

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 8:46 PM

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Also, I love BBC taskmaster

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 8:47 PM

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clever mortar > Proprietary Software Is Often Malware What, the 🇫

Pasted wrong link. Sorry.

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 8:47 PM

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Someone clearly has an anti-Discord agenda...

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 8:47 PM

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And, pushing a commercial, paid for, platform instead

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 8:47 PM

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Yeah...

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 8:47 PM

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Smells like a spammer...

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 8:47 PM

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They don't want a better experience for anyone here.

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I reckon they should sod off.

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 8:48 PM

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IRCuhoh.mp4

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 8:48 PM

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Believe it or not, this started with them asking if there are plans to move to IRC 🤣

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 8:48 PM

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deft pewter Someone clearly has an anti-Discord agenda...

Please, I am just a free software activist. I care about freedom of all users. I am very much interested in contributing to HA (because it is a free software).

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 8:48 PM

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Joins Discord
Joins HA Discord
Says ditch Discord, use the paid for service instead

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 8:49 PM

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A lot of our users don't know how to use servers... they won't know how to use IRC.

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 8:49 PM

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dense scarab Please, I am just a free software activist. I care about freedom of all users. I...

Well, please leave your pitchforking and religious wars at the door

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 8:49 PM

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A lot of our users came to HA because it's free... they won't pay for chat.

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 8:49 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-woof-bark-ruh-roh-gif-4303248

Tenor

Ruh Ruh

▶ Play video

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 8:49 PM

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Worse, HA has to pay that $8/user/month

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Like... yeah

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 8:49 PM

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noddin my head like yeah

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movin my hips like yeah

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 8:50 PM

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Smart like ox

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 8:51 PM

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deft pewter A lot of our users came to HA because it's free... they won't pay for chat.

Wait a sec. You mean users use HA because they don't have to pay for it?

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 8:51 PM

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kick this troll pls

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 8:51 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/roland-ban-gif-17990815

Tenor

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 8:52 PM

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Okay, I will stop here.

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 8:52 PM

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Speaking of freedom. You have the freedom to leave if you don't like Discord 😉

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 8:52 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/trump-donaldtrump-interview-banned-cnn-gif-7677105

Tenor

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 8:52 PM

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👋

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 8:52 PM

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Btw, my name is Raghav Gururajan.

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:52 PM

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contributing to open source through their communication channels is a lot more beneficial than trying to get people to use a random software

last plaza Jan 4, 2021, 8:53 PM

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dense scarab Please, I am just a free software activist. I care about freedom of all users. I...

Thanks for fighting for us.

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:53 PM

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contributing to whatever chat program you like is more beneficial than trying to tell people in their program to switch

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 8:53 PM

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NUT

last plaza Jan 4, 2021, 8:53 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/ricky-berwick-freaking-out-fight-gif-11085983

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:54 PM

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You have me very curious Raghav. I would love to see your git

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 8:54 PM

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he has no public repositories

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 8:54 PM

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last dirge he has no public repositories

Is anyone surprised?

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:54 PM

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he's using turtle svn

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 8:54 PM

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6 commits in 2020

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mine probably says zero

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lol

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 8:55 PM

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last dirge 6 commits in 2020

Almost as many as I do at work in a year...

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:55 PM

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I have had the laziest few months. I am afraid to look at my green squares

last plaza Jan 4, 2021, 8:55 PM

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PVCS FWIW 😝

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 8:55 PM

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I have one green square

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:55 PM

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lets look anyways

last dirge Jan 4, 2021, 8:55 PM

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awwww yiss

shy comet Jan 4, 2021, 8:55 PM

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lol i just looked at mine....i had a busy year lol

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:56 PM

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https://share.busheezy.dev/eda0jr.png

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mine is gross, lmao

shy comet Jan 4, 2021, 8:56 PM

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lol

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:56 PM

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all over the place

shy comet Jan 4, 2021, 8:56 PM

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📎 unknown.png

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:56 PM

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dsh is not a summer worker

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winter worker

shy comet Jan 4, 2021, 8:56 PM

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haha

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:56 PM

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fall

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damn, what happened during the fall for you dsh?

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 8:57 PM

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Uh oh. I have large black areas...

📎 unknown.png

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 8:57 PM

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night zodiac You have me very curious Raghav. I would love to see your git

I mainly contribute to GNU Project, especially GNU Guix (https://guix.gnu.org). Here are my work (https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/log/?qt=author&q=Raghav+Gururajan). I am interested in packaging HomeAssistant into Guix. 🙂

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:57 PM

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I like how dsh and mine are sort of similar in the gaps and heaviness

shy comet Jan 4, 2021, 8:57 PM

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haha

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:57 PM

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very good. I'm glad you at least contribute to something 😛

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pidgin

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hrmmm

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 8:57 PM

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It grades them all relatively, right? A busy dev could have pale days just because their busiest days are really busy?

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That's my excuse anyway...

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:58 PM

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your chat experience is really dated

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 8:58 PM

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Looks like my 'hot' days are around 15-20 commits.

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:59 PM

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my commits are awful

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 8:59 PM

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I joined this channel in a hurry with a pseudonym and false email. I will be re-joining via XMPP-Discord gateway, under the nick raghavgururajan

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:59 PM

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git commit -m "push"

shy comet Jan 4, 2021, 8:59 PM

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night zodiac damn, what happened during the fall for you dsh?

building out the skill set and having fun with the android app lol

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 8:59 PM

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hell yeah mayne

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what is the android stack?

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I haven't dablled in a while but every now and then I'll touch android just to suffer

shy comet Jan 4, 2021, 9:00 PM

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https://github.com/home-assistant/android its in kotlin so actually wasnt terrible to pick up if you ahve some java experience

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:00 PM

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I enjoyed React Native a lot but the state management was a mess when I used it

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 9:00 PM

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I'm a prøgræmmår

📎 Screenshot_20210104-220035_Firefox.jpg

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:00 PM

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ahhh, I have only read into kotlin when trying to reverse engineer it

shy comet Jan 4, 2021, 9:00 PM

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i dig all the null checking in kotlin and android studio has come a very long way

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:01 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/CMNHospitals-childrens-miracle-network-hospitals-kid-pediatric-patients-82okbIOv8krUhwgHCz

Giphy

Children's Miracle Network Hospitals

shy comet Jan 4, 2021, 9:01 PM

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android studio made things much easier to pick up honestly...that and some good ol' stackoverflow lol

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:01 PM

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yeah android studio is when I touched it and then like a year or two ago I tried it again

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for react native, I toyed with it every year or so

shy comet Jan 4, 2021, 9:02 PM

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same, its a much better experience now it feels now that its had time to polish out

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:02 PM

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I really do like react native but the state management was in disarray when I used it. a big update came out and the way people were updating state didn't use the new hotness so it was in a weird area where everyone was waiting on a new library

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I just focus on making PWA's run really well now days rather than all the iOS and android focus

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service workers are awesome

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if things can't load PWA's, oh well 😛

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not a real concern

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for work, we use Chrome OS devices a lot and they are in the middle of pretty much using PWA's for most things so I am excited they are putting more dependency on 'er

shy comet Jan 4, 2021, 9:04 PM

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yea well the app is still a webview of HA lol

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:04 PM

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yeah, I figured

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haha, not going to reinvent the wheel

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not a ton of state

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between the android jazz and web client

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PWAs are a blessing for me. I want to yell into people's faces about them

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tomorrow I am going to wake up and start writing tests. I am telling y'all now so I don't lie to you. I don't want to lie.

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 9:08 PM

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Liar

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:08 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/animation-computer-programmers-nGMnDqebzDcfm

Giphy

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that's how american's code

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 9:09 PM

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Desperate Dan is a dev?

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 9:09 PM

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Reminds me of Printmaster clipart from the mid-90's

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:09 PM

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haha!

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now that's a memory

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that reminds me of that wikipedia software everyone had on CD

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 9:10 PM

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Microsoft Encarta

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:10 PM

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YES

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I remember learning about jacque cousteau in like 3rd/4th grade on there

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I started reading about the aqualung

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 9:12 PM

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I'll always remember PrintMaster for coming in a GIANT fold-open multi-disc cardboard sleeve, with like 8+ CDs in it

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All loaded with clipart

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:12 PM

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haha

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feels familiar but I can't picture it

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 9:13 PM

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📎 print-master-platinum-0-cds-install_1_fde3c15a4a5bbb24a21a0d6c271c437b.png

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 9:13 PM

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I played so many hours of encarta 94

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:13 PM

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https://share.busheezy.dev/WkIeSF.png

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I looked at 2019 vs 2020

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2020 be crazy

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 9:14 PM

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Was in the only one who bought Microsoft 3d movie maker?

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That was fucking amazing

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:14 PM

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I have never heard of it, /me googles

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oh, it looks a lot like Alice. This program I used to teach programming in high school.

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my high school experience was a bit odd

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https://www.alice.org/

Alice

Alice – Tell Stories. Build Games. Learn to Program.

Alice is used to teach students how to code.

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 9:15 PM

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https://youtu.be/LNBCoaZn8FU

YouTube

TechzoneTV

3D Movie Maker (1995) - Game for Windows 95

Welcome to the Windows Time Capsule! Here, you'll get to find out all the old applications that existed back probably during the Windows 95 or 3.1 ages. So in this video, let's check out 3D Movie Maker released for Windows 95. It's a fun application where you get to create your own 3D movies easily. Well, so far, i think it's fun and great. We a...

▶ Play video

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:16 PM

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haha, just was on that video

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ig_MIlPQ5M

YouTube

fengsmu

Short Animation Using Alice Programming

Animation using Alice http://www.alice.org/

▶ Play video

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2 years later and we have the same graphics

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 9:24 PM

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clear ferry https://youtu.be/LNBCoaZn8FU

Holy crap, I remember this thing...

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The animations it produced were always kinda unsettling

scenic radish Jan 4, 2021, 9:25 PM

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GND and VCC right next to each other, WCGW?

📎 IMG_20210104_152258.jpg

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 9:26 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/its-fine-dog-fine-dog-fire-meme-gif-16250404

Tenor

granite hare Jan 4, 2021, 9:26 PM

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lol, literally fire 🔥

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:30 PM

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duhell

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only that single ground too?

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it wouldn't be much better but a lillll

scenic radish Jan 4, 2021, 9:31 PM

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Well it's a shitty Tuya chip

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:36 PM

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I need to pry my pinebook apart later and flash the emmc. I think it corrupted.

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too lazy to do anything other than flash

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 9:37 PM

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Folks, are there admins available now?

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*any admin

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 9:38 PM

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Admins of what?

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If you mean running this Discord server then that's anybody in the mod group - like me 😉

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 9:39 PM

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channels. I see a category called 'DEVELOPMENT`, under which there are some channels.

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 9:39 PM

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Yes... and?

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 9:40 PM

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I was wondering admin could create a channel called #packaging

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Oh, look who it is 🤣

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For boxes and polystyrene?

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Do envelopes and parcel paper count too?

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 9:40 PM

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You can ask, but you need to justify why such a thing is required

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 9:40 PM

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that channel can be dedicated to packaging HA in different distros

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 9:40 PM

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🤦

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:40 PM

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why dough

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 9:40 PM

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🤣

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:41 PM

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are we in 2006 again

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Please - go and read what HA is and how it works

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 9:41 PM

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There are already 4 distinct installation methods. We don't need no goddamn packages 🤣

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 9:41 PM

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concernedtom

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Packages aren't an option

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 9:41 PM

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wtfRead wtfFace

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 9:41 PM

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I mean, if you want to manage them for your chosen distros, go for it

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You get to do all the end user support too

low harness Jan 4, 2021, 9:41 PM

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scenic radish GND and VCC right next to each other, WCGW?

I'd be more worried about what looks like someone chewed on it...

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 9:42 PM

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emerge ha

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 9:42 PM

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clever mortar I mean, if _you_ want to manage them for your chosen distros, go for it

Yeah, thats the idea.

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:42 PM

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thomas, I think that was the extraction method, lol

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 9:42 PM

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low harness I'd be more worried about what looks like someone chewed on it...

His wife is fiesty

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 9:42 PM

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dense scarab Yeah, thats the idea.

Tinkerer is saying you would support them. On your chat server 😉

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There are enough installation types already officially supported. There is no need for packages.

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 9:43 PM

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There's no value in packages

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 9:43 PM

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rrrage

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 9:44 PM

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deft pewter There are enough installation types already officially supported. There is no ne...

I know HA has its own installation methods. I am trying to get it to work with guix package manager, which provides some neat features.

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 9:44 PM

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So go do that.

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Somewhere else.

spark orchid Jan 4, 2021, 9:44 PM

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lol

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 9:44 PM

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🤕

spark orchid Jan 4, 2021, 9:45 PM

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I feel like someone will be requesting a butthurt complaint form before the day is over

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Nootnoot

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:46 PM

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when you're out of touch with reality you just start swinging your arms in the air

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 9:46 PM

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If you mean our new friend, they'll have to fill out a bunch of forms.

clear ferry Jan 4, 2021, 9:46 PM

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checkthepins @scenic radish

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 9:46 PM

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I do not understand the need to be mocky. I am just trying to figure things out.

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 9:47 PM

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You've joined a server full of happy people and started dictating how they should do things.

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Surely you can understand how that might not be appreciated.

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 9:47 PM

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I am amused at somebody joining the server and telling everybody how they're doing it all wrong though 😂

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 9:47 PM

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dense scarab I do not understand the need to be mocky. I am just trying to figure things out.

Start by learning how it's done today and why that's done

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 9:47 PM

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deft pewter You've joined a server full of happy people and started dictating how they shoul...

If that was the impression I made, then my sincere apologies.

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 9:47 PM

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Then once you actually have a grounding, then you can start suggesting change

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But, not because you're right and everybody else is wrong, but because you can help make things better

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:48 PM

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You should search "guix" in this discord server to see why nobody thinks you are saying anything reasonable.

low harness Jan 4, 2021, 9:48 PM

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I don't think a special channel is warranted. Better to ask for help in #developers if #551864459891703809 won't do - because I'd guess that's what the package would be.

spark orchid Jan 4, 2021, 9:48 PM

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Tinkerer is the master of italicized emphasis

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:48 PM

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https://share.busheezy.dev/JUZpbY.png

last plaza Jan 4, 2021, 9:49 PM

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@dense scarab I suggest you take time understand things and the provide any feedback. Obviously there are a million ways of doing things - we can’t be creating channels for each.

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 9:49 PM

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low harness I don't think a special channel is warranted. Better to ask for help in <#554842...

Thanks! I tried mesaging there but the message did not go through. So I assumed it is a private/restrictive channel.

low harness Jan 4, 2021, 9:49 PM

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Shouldn't be. May just be discord being discord...

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:50 PM

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usually discord will have a failure message if the message itself fails. if you don't have perms, you can't type chat to begin with

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you can click retry on the message

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 9:50 PM

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last plaza <@795744737067663371> I suggest you take time understand things and the provide ...

I understand. May be I was not clear before. I was not able to message in other channels. That's why I suggested. But if it works. I am all good. 🙂

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 9:50 PM

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low harness I don't think a special channel is warranted. Better to ask for help in <#554842...

Tsk tsk, #551864459891703809 is for the install method 😉

shy comet Jan 4, 2021, 9:50 PM

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lol

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:50 PM

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#homeassistant_guix

dense scarab Jan 4, 2021, 9:51 PM

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night zodiac usually discord will have a failure message if the message itself fails. if you ...

I see. When I press enter, the message disapper but doesn't appear in the chat screen.

low harness Jan 4, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Yeah, but a distro package would pretty much just be a thin wrapper around that, @clever mortar

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Back to Hassbian

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I'm sure that'll trigger flashbacks

shy comet Jan 4, 2021, 9:51 PM

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bring back the AIO script!

last plaza Jan 4, 2021, 9:52 PM

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Is there anything before AIO installer? I don’t remember. I’ve only been here for 5+ years

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Custom!!!

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:52 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/aetv-l0IyajjbNiRvCr7RC

Giphy

A&E

light trout Jan 4, 2021, 9:52 PM

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pip install homeassistant

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:52 PM

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pip3 install homeassistant

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jeesh

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jk

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it was probabbly py 2.7 for all I know

light trout Jan 4, 2021, 9:53 PM

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It was

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:53 PM

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is it 3 now or still 2?

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 9:53 PM

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3.8 (ish)

light trout Jan 4, 2021, 9:53 PM

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3.8+ now

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:53 PM

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nice. congrats dev nerds

scenic radish Jan 4, 2021, 9:54 PM

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@night zodiac @low harness it was indeed a result of the extraction lol. Transplanted an ESP in its place

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:54 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/filmeditor-will-ferrell-elf-3otPoS81loriI9sO8o

Giphy

clever mortar Jan 4, 2021, 9:54 PM

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This coming December it'll be 3.9+

light trout Jan 4, 2021, 9:54 PM

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6y ago py2 was dropped

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:54 PM

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fitting gif above then

low harness Jan 4, 2021, 9:56 PM

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night zodiac pip3 install homeassistant

Lol. Imagine not having python3 as default

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😉

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:56 PM

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I think that's like default for everything so I leave it

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I barely write python but have been trying to think of something I'd finish for HA

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I've wrote a lot of Lua in my life so python is nice to me when Lua is the baseline

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though I admit, I do like cranking things out in Lua, Lua just makes 0 sense in a lot of areas

low harness Jan 4, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Surprisingly prevalent, though.

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:59 PM

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it actually has some pretty elegant stuff but people write it wrong

low harness Jan 4, 2021, 9:59 PM

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Keeps popping up everywhere, like domoticz, rpgmaker, hammerspoon...

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 9:59 PM

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just like anything though

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yeah, around games quite often which is where I have dabbled in it some

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gmod back in the day

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FiveM more recently

low harness Jan 4, 2021, 10:00 PM

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I guess the interpreter i pretty lightweight. That would explain it.

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:00 PM

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yeah, both of them are. the "slow" one is even good

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it's also neat bbecause you can read the docs in like 30 minutes

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or what they call their "manual"

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fucking science nerds

low harness Jan 4, 2021, 10:03 PM

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Yeah, you shouldn't let scientists make programming languages. That's how you get matlab.

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:04 PM

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metatables are pretty neat

deft pewter Jan 4, 2021, 10:04 PM

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Or any of the codegolf languages...

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:06 PM

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awkward, ss button didn't work

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or control + c

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http://www.lua.org/manual/5.4/manual.html#2.4

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It can be very useful for instances of game objects or maybe even like a representation of something in the game.

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can code in all types of sweet stuff very easy comparisons

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 10:28 PM

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subtle pasture hot take: balls are annoying 😂

How would you know? 👀

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 10:29 PM

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I mean... Holds up 🏳️‍⚧️ flag

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How far back were you scrolled in the chat history? Lol

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 10:31 PM

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a ways lol

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:35 PM

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what pine stuff do you have leapo?

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I creeped your mutual servers

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 10:39 PM

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Two Rock64's, a RockPro64, and a Pine H64 B

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:39 PM

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let me just google every single one of those items

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 10:39 PM

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almost bought one of those rocks but the support was complete ass so opted out

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:40 PM

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the price though

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 10:40 PM

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They sent me a bunch of boards for free because I was deving their GPIO library :P

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:40 PM

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hell yeah

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I bought a pinebook pro and it has sat idle for a year

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I need to flash 'er in a bit so I can leave HA open on it

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 10:40 PM

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Yeah, I don't use any of these Pine boards... There's just not enough support

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And the Pi kinda caught up on performance and features

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:41 PM

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when will pi bless us with emmc

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so millions of people can break things and I can use a tested product

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 10:41 PM

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Pi 4 compute module already supports eMMC and NVMe

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:41 PM

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PROVE IT /me googles

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I want something that is flat with the device, not some additional jazz

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it fits pretty nicely, must say. 'just need cases specific for it

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 10:43 PM

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The Pi4 compute module (optionally) includes onboard eMMC storage, and exposes a PCIe 1x interface (which can be used for an NVMe drive)

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:43 PM

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very cool.

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now I want that built into the pi 5

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so all the cases fit

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I need to get better at 3d stuff and get my printer going

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 10:44 PM

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There's someone working on a carrier board for the new compute module that puts it into the Arduino Uno form factor

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:45 PM

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intense thinking

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 10:45 PM

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https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/12/24/piunora-has-the-guts-of-a-raspberry-pi-4-with-arduino-form-factor-pcie-socket/

CNX Software - Embedded Systems News

Piunora has the guts of a Raspberry Pi 4 with Arduino form factor, ...

Piunora is a carrier board for the Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 that follows Arduino form factor and includes an M.2 socket with PCIe.

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:46 PM

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I am guessing these are like offline applications

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most stuff with arduino I just imagine sending off somewhere else. I am trying to think of stuff I would want storage

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it is probably very obvious

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 10:47 PM

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Compute module can have onboard WiFi AC

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But yeah, that particular carrier board excludes ethernet

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:48 PM

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can probably make a decent trail cam with it

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I had some beef tips from Joes BBQ last night. so tasty.

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I ate some cold out of the fridge today too.

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directed towards Sonoma, lol

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 10:49 PM

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surprised the compute modules even sell considering how the pi3 one was made absolute relatively quick

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still eating on that?

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:49 PM

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I forgot about it

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defrosted it a few days ago

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I still have some sausage and I think I am done

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just going to eat it now, I am hungry

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 10:50 PM

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Every Pi is made obsolete fairly quickly. They release a new one every time they can offer a substantial upgrade without increasing the cost :P

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 10:51 PM

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I'm actually considering moving my HA installation to a surface pro

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Partially for that reason

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I have 3 just lying around. 😐 Just need to sit down and figure out how to install linux on it. I think I remember reading somewhere that it's more complicated than it should be.

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haven't researched it in a bit though

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Wait, which reason?

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Sorry, that they are obsolete quickly. I had a NUC running it, but the NUC died

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:54 PM

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I found oatmeal instead

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 10:54 PM

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Just because they release a new Pi doesn't mean you have to stop using the old ones 😂

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I'm still running HA on a Pi3 B (booted from a SATA SSD)

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:54 PM

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what does it feel like waiting all day for your page to load? /s

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 10:54 PM

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Pages load fine?

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 10:55 PM

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@subtle pasture 2 things. 1. I am unreasonably envious of new hardware and 2. going from a NUC to a raspberry pi is not as fun. But I agree, a pi is generally more than capable of running HA

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:55 PM

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Leapo, the /s is sarcasm lol

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 10:56 PM

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That said, I wouldn't want to run it on a pi 2.

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I think that's the first hardware I ever ran it on. Either the original pi or the pi 2

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(I believe the b variant of either one...don't think I have ever owned an a variant)

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:58 PM

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my oatmeal exploded in my microwave

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 10:58 PM

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Did you cover it?

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 10:59 PM

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yeah, with a spell

hushed basalt Jan 4, 2021, 11:00 PM

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https://c.tenor.com/c2iqp6meB7sAAAAM/the-thing-blood-test.gif

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:00 PM

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I was like "I hope this doesn't explode" and then walked away

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:00 PM

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Also, after a quick google, it looks like ubuntu is running on the surface pro 4 pretty well these days, so this may be a good project for me.

hushed basalt Jan 4, 2021, 11:00 PM

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What spec surface pro 4

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:01 PM

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I think I have two i5 and an i7. One of them might be a surface pro 3 though

hushed basalt Jan 4, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Ethernet would be the biggest issue

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Why? I have an adapter

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and ubuntu should support that adapter

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 11:04 PM

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lol half assed ha installs

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:08 PM

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Gotta love when users submit tickets out of pure ignorance...

I've been asking you guys to install .net 4.8 on my system for over a week now! 2 different engineers have worked on this ticket, and it's STILL not installed!

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They were running the latest version of Windows 10, which includes .net 4.8... they were bitching because it wasn't in the "Programs" list (it's in the "Features" list, because it's a Windows component)

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Also gotta love when low-level tickets get escalated all the way up the chain to my desk. lol

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:11 PM

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that's a neat way to find out if you have frameworks

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:11 PM

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"Thanks guys, now I have to be the one to formulate a way to tell the user that they're stupid without telling them they're stupid..."

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 11:12 PM

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https://youtu.be/KezvwARhBIc

YouTube

sirstrongbad

UHF - Wheel Of Fish

Wheel Of Fish segment from Weird Al Yankovic's one and (so far) only movie, UHF (1989)

STUPID!, YOU'RE SO STUPID!!

▶ Play video

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:21 PM

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what is the role of the person asking?

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And I'm assuming it's just the framework they're referencing...

midnight adder Jan 4, 2021, 11:25 PM

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Hi guys, when somebody mentions you, how do you go straight to that message?

scenic radish Jan 4, 2021, 11:26 PM

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On mobile, tap the @ at the bottom when you're in channel view

📎 Screenshot_20210104-172543.png

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That brings up recent mentions

shy comet Jan 4, 2021, 11:27 PM

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https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/01/04/new-google-smart-home-gadget-hits-fcc-with-soli-and-zigbee-support/

Android Police

New Google smart home gadget hits FCC with Soli and Zigbee support

A new Google-made bit of electronics has just hit the FCC. The less than aptly-named A4R-G4CVZ is an "Interactive Device" with a confidentiality request

scenic radish Jan 4, 2021, 11:27 PM

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Solioliolio

shy comet Jan 4, 2021, 11:27 PM

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oh joy look another potential cloud only hub

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Grabbed a pi and started going through a box of pi cases I seem to have accumulated. Found 2 cases that already had pi's in them. Why do I waste money?

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:28 PM

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@chilly nymph They're our primary point of contact for one of our clients. They were asking about the .net Framework 4.8, specifically

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:29 PM

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I wonder if the program they were trying to use was throwing an error saying there were dependencies missing

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:29 PM

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They didn't mention any software that needed it or anything, they just didn't see .net 4.8 in the install programs list, and freaked out

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They still have yet to mention any program that requires it. lol

scenic radish Jan 4, 2021, 11:29 PM

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https://c.tenor.com/tladXaJGB60AAAAM/the-office-steve-carell.gif

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:29 PM

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@scenic radish I have no idea

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But if anyone wants to come to my house and fix my network, let me know.

scenic radish Jan 4, 2021, 11:30 PM

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What's wrong with it

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:30 PM

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Electrician daisy chained my cat6

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:30 PM

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Note: This is a client that pays us to manage their IT infrastructure, updates, firewall, etc.
We occasionally get users who like to check our work, and make tickets for ANY little thing that looks like we aren't doing our job -_-

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Annoying as shit

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:30 PM

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then cussed me out when I said that's not going to work

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But...I didn't hire the electrician, the builder did

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:31 PM

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Wait... what do you mean by daisy-chained?

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Because that can work...

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:31 PM

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And I wasn't about to let cat6 blow up the sale

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@subtle pasture educate me. Legit, I'm listening

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:32 PM

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Well, tell me what you mean by daisy-chained, in this instance. lol

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:32 PM

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I'll tell you this, when I put tone on the singular drop in the basement, I can barely even detect it in any of the jacks.

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:32 PM

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You can absolutely connect two terminated CAT6 cables end-to-end, though it'll shorten the length of your maximum run

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:32 PM

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no

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:33 PM

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Ok, so what were they attempting to do? lol

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:33 PM

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all of the RJ45 jacks are connected together.

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It's effectively wired for POTS but with cat 6 and RJ45

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The weird part is that at the jacks themselves, there's only one cat6 cable. So they are spliced somewhere in the wall.

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:33 PM

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Like... he wired it like coax and wired all of the ends together??

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:34 PM

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Effectively, but with what I'm assuming are effectively pigtails.

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:34 PM

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I guess POTS can work that way too if you only have one line... big yikes

scenic radish Jan 4, 2021, 11:34 PM

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YikesTM

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:34 PM

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Note: You sometimes see phone line installed using CAT5 / CAT6 cables. Dude might have thought he was installing phones, not ethernet...

scenic radish Jan 4, 2021, 11:35 PM

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ACOSP_ExcusemeWtf

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:35 PM

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In which case, that wiring method was valid, and could be upgraded to support multiple phone lines without new drops at a later date

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:35 PM

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Yeah. So I want to figure out where the splices and the "master" drop is. And I'll put a closet on that floor with a switch, if I can make it happen. I don't want to wire drops for 4 jacks from the second and third floor to the basement.

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 11:36 PM

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just put a switch at each connection lol

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:36 PM

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The dude said it was so you could put a computer in each room.

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So he definitely didn't think it was for POTS.

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But probably thought his POTS knowledge translated.

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:36 PM

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Hopefully he did a home run for each jack...

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If not, this is going to be a mess to fix

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:37 PM

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Not familiar with that terminology

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:37 PM

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yank it all and redo

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😛

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:37 PM

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@night zodiac My hope is I can at least use the drop that goes from the second floor to the basement

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:37 PM

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@chilly nymph Home run = a run all the way back to the punchdown panel

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:37 PM

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Oh. No. He didn't.

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 11:37 PM

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using switches you can make it work

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:37 PM

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tie good cat to one side and yank good cat through

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unless bends

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:38 PM

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Yeah, but I'm trying to find the cat

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:38 PM

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@forest edge Not with that new wrinkle in play... they wired a jack, then spiced the CAT6 and continued the run to another jack

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Only one jack in that entire house will ever work. lol

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:38 PM

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I put tone on the drop in the basement but can't detect it in the wall

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I can only detect it if I stick my probe into the jack itself, and it's very faint.

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:39 PM

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Did they also run coax? Might be time to cut your losses and use coax ethernet >_>

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:39 PM

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I was considering using moca, yes

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:39 PM

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now we are just getting crazy

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:39 PM

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MoCA allows up to 3000 mbps over coax

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Not crazy at all 😛

scenic radish Jan 4, 2021, 11:39 PM

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's'lotta bits

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:39 PM

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But here's problem 2

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 11:39 PM

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can't be that hard to find the splices

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:39 PM

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There is coax on every one of the jacks, yes. With again, only one drop

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:40 PM

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If you pay someone to do it then it is their problem

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that is what I always say

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:40 PM

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I have no idea where the splitters are

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:40 PM

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@forest edge Have fun making a ton of pumpkin cuts with a sheetrock saw...

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 11:40 PM

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they are likely behind each jack

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just further back

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:40 PM

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@night zodiac I didn't pay him. The seller did. It's a flip.

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:40 PM

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Did you ever tone from telco drop end to 2nd floor?

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:40 PM

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I am saying pay someone at this point

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:40 PM

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@tidal bronze That's where I started

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:41 PM

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So break it down. Telco drop to 2nd floor you get the tone?

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T Drop to basement?

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:41 PM

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I get a faint tone, yes.

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:41 PM

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Faint or not is not a problem.

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:42 PM

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I get that. I'm just saying the fact that it is faint supports the idea that it is indeed daisy chained

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 11:42 PM

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by the time this convo has ended i'd done already removed the plate and and part of the wall iff need be to locate the splice lol

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:42 PM

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@forest edge part of my problem is I'm 40 minutes away from the house

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:42 PM

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39.8

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:42 PM

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Living in two places until school is over for the kids

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:43 PM

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39.5

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:43 PM

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Probes are not that accurate even your fluke so don't put so much weight on the tone.

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:43 PM

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ok

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:44 PM

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POTS or Ethernet, hard to believe the splice is in the wall. It's 95% at a wall plate or T-Drop.

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Did they drywall after the drops.?

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:44 PM

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So I pulled every wall plate and each connection only had one wire

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Also worth mentioning that a faint tone can mean you're on the wrong drop entirely... two long parallel runs can weakly interact, allowing you to faintly hear the tone on the other cable (yay induction!).

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Yes, drywalled after the drops. It was a gut rehab.

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@subtle pasture That was my thought, but I tried every single jack

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:45 PM

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Well most likely it's covered some where not inside a wall.

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 11:45 PM

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lol find a rats nest of exposed cat all twisted together with small twist nuts

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:45 PM

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I'm listening, because I've looked at every possible place I can think of, including breakers (which wouldn't make sense, obviously)

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:45 PM

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Unless the guy used rough-ins most likely drywaller went to town.

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:45 PM

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I'm going to laugh if the dude used a fuck-ton of those gumdrop butt-splice connectors inside the walls. lol

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:46 PM

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I'm not going to laugh.

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 11:46 PM

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why you should never hire a cali to do your networking..

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:46 PM

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I gotta say, if I'm ever building a home from the ground up, I'm installing conduit in the walls

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Push new cables whenever you want

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:46 PM

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I don't think he spliced at all. Electricians who run this crap almost never do.

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:47 PM

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Ok, if no splice, only one drop, and only one cable going to each jack, what other option is there

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:47 PM

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Do you have a rough drawing of jacks Vs house layout?

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:47 PM

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I don't do this kind of work, so I'm not being sarcastic. I just don't know.

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:47 PM

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Is there a punchdown panel where all the runs terminate?

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:48 PM

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I could not find a panel, no.

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If I could, I'd just crimp them myself

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:48 PM

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Do you have pictures of T-Drop and RG6 outside box?

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:48 PM

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I don't.

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:48 PM

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Share some pictures of plates and street to house drop/box

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:49 PM

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I will have to do that next time I go

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:49 PM

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That might be a good start 🙂

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:49 PM

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I'm at the house my kids to go school from at the moment

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:50 PM

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If you don't do this on a regular basis another set of eyes might be the best way to go.

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:50 PM

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I should have labeled the drops in my last place.

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oh well. there is x2

umbral agate Jan 4, 2021, 11:51 PM

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If you got local execution working for Google assistant please DM me I need help, k thnx bye.

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:51 PM

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I thought my problems were bad. All the CAT6 in my house terminates into a cabinet in the hallway (dead center of the house) with no 120v...

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:52 PM

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Electricians should never touch LV stuff. Double the expense to fix

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:52 PM

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I had to throw a PoE powered PoE switch up there. lol

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:52 PM

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I could probably share photos from the listing

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I just bought it. Not sure if that would help though

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:53 PM

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Listing would not have the details.

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:53 PM

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The ISP installed my long lines with UTP so I asked them is that normal and they said yeah

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:53 PM

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No, I know. I also have a floor plan. But that would only be able to show WHERE things are and not any of the actual details

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:53 PM

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Start with all outside wall boxes and work your way in.

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:53 PM

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I would have bought my own if I had known that is what they were going to install. too lazy now.

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:53 PM

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But I do remember where each jack is in each room

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:53 PM

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Your cable and Telco drop underground from street or overhang ?

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 11:54 PM

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subtle pasture I thought my problems were bad. All the CAT6 in my house terminates into a cabin...

lmao

scenic radish Jan 4, 2021, 11:54 PM

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Looks like a classic case of a @hushed basalt

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 11:54 PM

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although running eletrical to new places is easy as cake

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:54 PM

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@tidal bronze Uh...important detail, builder cut all verizon lines.

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:54 PM

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Outstanding

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:54 PM

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Verizon came to install fios and was cussing builder out over that.

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I'm not actually confident there is telephone line going into the house at all.

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:55 PM

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@forest edge Honestly, powering the switch with PoE worked out in the end. It allowed me to run everything in that cabinet off of the UPS in another room (which supports the rest of my core networking hardware)

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:55 PM

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aside from the new fiber line the fios guy installed on NYE

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:55 PM

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@chilly nymph not possible.

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 11:55 PM

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may work but less than ideal solution lol

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:55 PM

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Leapo, I almost want to get something to PoE the rest of my stuff but too lazy

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I just keep main stuff on UPS

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:56 PM

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Ok then I don't know where it goes, but will be there later this week and will re-inspect

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:56 PM

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Get lot of pictures.

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:56 PM

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night zodiac Leapo, I almost want to get something to PoE the rest of my stuff but too lazy

This is what I threw in the cabinet: https://www.amazon.com/SYSTEMS-Sg250-10P-10-Port-Gigabit-SG25010PK9NA/dp/B01HYA3AFK

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:56 PM

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I just need the PoE router on multiple ports. Everything else is already PoE I think.

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 11:56 PM

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burn the house down and collect the insurance.. much easier

subtle pasture Jan 4, 2021, 11:57 PM

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Runs on PoE power, and can power downstream PoE devices

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:57 PM

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I didn't plan very well

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:57 PM

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What, exactly, will you want photos of? Anything on the outside of the house?

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Will you want me to pull jacks and take photos of that as well?

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:58 PM

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Yes and all the plates.

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:58 PM

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I'm hoping to not have to cut through the single gang boxes

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:58 PM

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You are using a 2 conductor toner?

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:58 PM

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But will if I have to

forest edge Jan 4, 2021, 11:58 PM

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What, exactly, will you want photos of? so tempting.. but passed..

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:58 PM

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I'll link you to the exact toner

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hold on

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:58 PM

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🐐 🌊

chilly nymph Jan 4, 2021, 11:59 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HCQSHNG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:59 PM

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Oh boy

night zodiac Jan 4, 2021, 11:59 PM

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I have an EdgeRouter-10X for office going to an EdgeSwitch-18X in the office (both on UPS) and then that goes to bedroom across the house

tidal bronze Jan 4, 2021, 11:59 PM

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You said it was a fluke ? 🙂

night zodiac Jan 5, 2021, 12:00 AM

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https://share.busheezy.dev/tba70c.png

spark orchid Jan 5, 2021, 12:00 AM

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I would suspect that the "faint" tone is simply inductive crosstalk

chilly nymph Jan 5, 2021, 12:00 AM

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I don't know how that's possible. I tried every single port. Inductive to what?

spark orchid Jan 5, 2021, 12:01 AM

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If they ran all the cables to a central spot, that tone could be picked up by any adjacent wire run

chilly nymph Jan 5, 2021, 12:01 AM

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Unless it's a completely dead drop, parallel to another drop buried in the wall