the-water-cooler

[clear ferry]

Those are the stock fans

[nocturne aspen]

whats wrong with that? me too

[clear ferry]

99% of people I see using unifi are people who can't tell a subnet mask from a coax cable

[nocturne aspen]

lol

[chilly nymph]

@nocturne aspen nothing wrong with it -- but isn't it for like huge buildings? Stadiums and such?

[clear ferry]

Which gives it a bad rep

[spice swan]

thats bullshit

[chilly nymph]

Hey now, I wasn't attacking. I was just thinking it was overkill for what he classified as a small house

[clear ferry]

It is fact, across 20 discord servers 🥳

[spice swan]

you can ssh to every device and manage it locally ot from the cli

[nocturne aspen]

Its working all right. Im not a network engineer either, ive been considering Cisco enterprise APs, but getting wifi to work well with Cisco APs would probably take me years, assuming that i would ever finish tuning it

[clear ferry]

Cisco will actually give you a valuable skill learned though, if you want to learn in enterprise

[spice swan]

I am a network Engineer and I have a CCIE lab rack in the garage and I prefer Unifi because it freaking solid

[chilly nymph]

@clear ferry Have you tried printing any christmas tree toppers by chance? My wife wants me to print one and I'm very concerned about the one she wants me to print.

[clear ferry]

It probably is, but the userbase is rubbish @spice swan

[nocturne aspen]

@clear ferry: true, if someone wants to pursue career in networking 🙂

[clear ferry]

Not yet

[nocturne aspen]

but personally i find networking even more boring job than working in it in banking sector 🙂

[clear ferry]

@nocturne aspen which is also why I tell people to learn esxi rather than proxmox, and Debian in stead of Ubuntu

[dull chasm]

@clear ferry i use unifi and know what a subnet is ....i must be the 1%

[clear ferry]

You are

[chilly nymph]

@nocturne aspen What do you do in banking? You are the first person in this server that I've met that also works in banking.

I work in commercial finance

[clear ferry]

@nocturne aspen I work with networking, and 30+ other product ranges 🥳

[nocturne aspen]

nah, god help me, im not working in banking. Fashion industry currently

i mean currently im unemployed, but until two weeks ago

[chilly nymph]

Got it. Ok well, I'm still the only one then. 😅

[nocturne aspen]

i do have a job offer from insurance industry though

[chilly nymph]

Just based on the number of patches @spice swan has, I think he and I have different definitions of a small house.

[clear ferry]

Netscalers @spice swan ?

[spice swan]

Yes Netscalers, I work for Citrix as an SE

[nocturne aspen]

nevertheless, all the people i know who work in banking say that its super boring, simplest projects can take years just to make them "complaint"

[clear ferry]

I haven't seen a netscaler in a few years, mostly f5 these days is what I see

[nocturne aspen]

and basically you cannot fart without triple checking with legal department

[chilly nymph]

That depends on what you are doing and the bank you work in, I suppose

[spice swan]

funny my customers are throwing f5 out. You cant put a bigIP in azure but you can put a netscaler any where, even a container

[clear ferry]

Yup, most of my customers that moved to cloud moved back

[deft pewter]

Sounds like you're describing corporate business in general.

The bigger a business, the more bureaucracy there is.

[chilly nymph]

I am in commercial finance and have been able to create a client/server (SQL) loan origination system at one bank, with no big compliance issues. Only compliance thing I had to do was create a "questionnaire" to help people know what regs were applicable to what they were doing

[spice swan]

nice

[chilly nymph]

And in my current employer, I was able to help create a bot that automated submissions to the SBA for PPP purposes (paycheck protection program)

[nocturne aspen]

nah, my old corpo was a large FTSE100 business, with literally no documentation, no interteam communication, no business continuity, everything rambo-style

but it worked somehow 🙂

[chilly nymph]

The hardest part of that was it was a web scraper but then the SBA rate-limited us. Fortunately, they ended up releasing a public API, so we were able to patch into that

[clear ferry]

So like most big companies then @nocturne aspen

🤣

[chilly nymph]

@clear ferry you and i will have to talk octoprint some time. Ihave it but don't use it because it's been corrupting every gcode file I've tried to send to it.

[spice swan]

thay may have used a netscaler to do the rate limit .. lol

[clear ferry]

Never had issues with octoprint

[chilly nymph]

That's why we'll have to talk octoprint. 😛

[clear ferry]

I don't run it on a pi either

[chilly nymph]

Ah. That, I do.

[clear ferry]

Pi 🤢

[nocturne aspen]

at some point in the past they've been moving IT operations to a different city, made few hundred people from IT redundant, replaced them with noobs in a different city and until now most of the equipment in server rooms cannot be touched because nobody knows that it is, how it works, etc

[chilly nymph]

What firmware are you running on your ender?

[nocturne aspen]

so they ended up getting contractors to do any work

[spice swan]

Pis are fun for somethings but not when you need compute

[clear ferry]

Currently 4.2.7 board with marlin 2.0.17, but have run klipper in the past

[chilly nymph]

@spice swan I like it as a headless server that doesn't require a lot of resources

I'm very interested in klipper

I'm running a modified version of marlin on mine, slightly modified off the smith3d version

I also want to get a resin printer soon

[spice swan]

I so agree on the headless aspect of Pi, i have 4 or five that are headless and PoE.

[chilly nymph]

Wait, news flash to me, the pi supports POE? Not sure how i missed that.

[nocturne aspen]

@chilly nymph some of them, i think 3 b+ and 4

[chilly nymph]

Oh do you have a hat?

[nocturne aspen]

and you need a hat

[spice swan]

starting on the 3b+ it supports PoE with a hat

[chilly nymph]

I think I probably glossed over it because you need a hat...and it's generally not a big deal for me to also plug in a usb cable

At least in my particular applications

Oh, meant to ask @clear ferry what manual leveling method do you use? There's a great method out there with an STL file that effectively draws squares. If you haven't seen it, I'm happy to go pull it up for you

[chilly nymph]

Not going to lie, that's definitely clean

[spice swan]

these are the two i keep on the desk

i have three more in the closet, I have a lot of PoE ports

[chilly nymph]

Not sure the fan on the one in the case is doing a whole lot for you though

[spice swan]

so they ydo run a little warm but I do have them extended with extra spacers and I have had few that have run almost 2 years non stop

[clear ferry]

I'll keep my rack servers and blade servers thank you

[dull chasm]

dont be pretensous ....

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/hp-harry-potter-snape-always-stare-gif-17584635

[spice swan]

too much $$ to run that stuff. I turn most of the physicak rack off unless i need it

[clear ferry]

Psssh, basically free power

[spice swan]

you can run a type 1 on an i7 NUC or if you need memory a super micro itx xeon box

[clear ferry]

Supermicro🤢

[spice swan]

once again you don't know what you are talking-about

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-mickey-mouse-okay-good-gif-11256493

[hearty depot]

😦 tn-scale is still in alpha

[clear ferry]

@hearty depot waiting for fy21q1 with the migration path

[chilly nymph]

NGL when that gif popped up for some reason, my brain automatically thought I had a teams video call coming in and I was like "crap, but my printer is printing something right next to me right now and it's not being quiet."

[spice swan]

funny

[hearty depot]

well Alpha does not even surrive a reboot. so waiting hard for beta

[spice swan]

alpha what?

[hearty depot]

tn-scale

[clear ferry]

I know multiple people who run it in alpha

And have for months

[chilly nymph]

@clear ferry free power? Solar?

[dull chasm]

@clear ferry but you are special

[clear ferry]

Basically free, $0.003 per kWh @chilly nymph

[chilly nymph]

I'm looking hard at putting solar on my new place

Holy cow

[hearty depot]

tell them they should try rtebooting and see 😄

[chilly nymph]

I'm at $0.095 right now and that's cheap in my area. I'm about to go up a decent amount at my new place

[clear ferry]

We are spiking at $0.03 atm

Highest it's been in a year

[chilly nymph]

Which is why I'm looking at solar

I also drive a tesla, so that takes a little juice to charge

[spice swan]

@chilly nymph where are you?

[clear ferry]

You mean the state subsidized vehicles @chilly nymph

🤣

[chilly nymph]

US, New England

[clear ferry]

50% roughly still here

[chilly nymph]

@clear ferry if you mean subsidies on my part, no. I did not receive any subsidies in my purchase. If you mean subsidies from the US, I suppose so. Though most US manufacturers have had subsidies in their lifetime

[clear ferry]

We do

Was my point

🤕

Consumers

[chilly nymph]

I wish I did. They ended a few months before I purchased it.

[spice swan]

@clear ferry where are you?

[clear ferry]

Norway

[faint elm]

Hi everyone, I was searching quite a bit lately if there is a way to add a custom message decoder for MQTT messages, that contain a binary message within a Base64 encoded byte array.. Can someone give me a hint where to look further?

[chilly nymph]

But I wasn't in the market for one prior to the end of the federal rebates. And even without free charging, it's still cheaper to own than the other cars I was looking at despite the higher initial price tag

Plus when I initially went to go buy it (a month before lockdown), my employer was willing to install a charger for me at work. Since I bought it though, I've been working from home and basically don't even need a car lol

[clear ferry]

Not interested in electric atm

Might change

But I can easily drive 5-700 in a day

[spice swan]

@faint elm do you mean something like this?

https://www.hivemq.com/blog/mqtt-security-fundamentals-payload-encryption/#:~:text=What is MQTT payload encryption,data even on untrusted environments.****

[clear ferry]

So electric isn't very friendly

[chilly nymph]

I was spending too much on gas. My commute is an hour each way

[clear ferry]

Work pays all my gas and commute so..

[chilly nymph]

Financially speaking then, it wouldn't make sense for you, like you said

[spice swan]

@chilly nymph you still go to the office?

[chilly nymph]

I also want to see if I can integrate the car into HA. I've seen one or two integrations people have done, but they seem to poll the car a bit too much, causing battery drain.

@spice swan I haven't been to the office since March

Which is why the math is currently not working out in my favor

[clear ferry]

I've been in the office twice since march, but I still visit customers weekly

But we are moving to mostly WFH

Works for most, except military and dark site customers

[chilly nymph]

Initially I was going to be one of the 12 total VPN beta testers for full remote work. They had been shy about VPN work before because it's not a huge institution. The plan was 2 weeks. So I still have a lot of stuff at my office that I wish I had at home.

[spice swan]

I used to travel 45 weeks out of the year for work, but been home since February.. None of my customers are taking visitors and all of our meetings are GTM, Teams, ot WebEx..

[chilly nymph]

GTM=goto meetings?

[spice swan]

ya, we used to own that product so its deep in our culture, but we are moving to teams

[clear ferry]

I was happy with one flight every two weeks, we are starting to ramp up again next year probably

[faint elm]

@spice swan not exactly, I got messages coming in from my LoRa devices that encode their state within the message like ```
"payload_raw": "i74BAAAAAAAA"

where the actual payload is a encoded byte array that contains the actual data...

[spice swan]

more than 45% of my customers are moving large parts of their staff to permanent work from home, which is really good for Citrix. We are sooo slammed

@faint elm is there a flag to disable the encoded payload to test?

[faint elm]

@spice swan no, but there is a good documentation to decode this information, that I already use within Node-RED using some little bit of Javascript...

[spice swan]

https://www.cyberark.com/resources/threat-research-blog/lorawan-mqtt-what-to-know-when-securing-your-iot-network#:~:text=LoRa and MQTT&text=In many LoRaWAN implementations%2C the,high-latency%2C unreliable networks.

[chilly nymph]

I need to start to look into tasmota. Looks like a lot of people get some very good devices for a very good price by flashing tasmota on to it

[spice swan]

I love it

[chilly nymph]

On the face of it, it seems like an easy process as well. And being that it uses MQTT, I assume it's fairly stable

[spice swan]

I just got 4 of these https://cloudfree.shop/product/cloudfree-smart-plug/

[chilly nymph]

Though I'm sure that's on a device-by-device basis

[spice swan]

its rock solid once you get things going

[chilly nymph]

Wow, that's a great price. Out of stock at the moment though

[spice swan]

all the devices are moistly esp8266

those are the lower amp for like table lights

they have others that are 15a

[chilly nymph]

I don't have/use many wifi devices. If i start to go down that road, I'll probably set up a separate SSID and subnet for them.

[spice swan]

I bought a ton of tuya stuff and used tuya-convert to swing them over

My whole house is on a /23 but i have 11 subnets in my house, none for IoT because od Sonos and Lifx

[chilly nymph]

11 subnets...

[spice swan]

Sonos and Lifx both use a L2 peering..

I am a networking SE for Citrix. I build security for really big companys and I need labs (server subnets, DMZ, Microservices hosts, etc..) so I have a lot of networks confiured

[chilly nymph]

Cool. Can you tell your software engineers to stop trying to update my citrix software every time I boot my PC, to the same version it's already on? That would be great. 🤣

[spice swan]

that's not us, you can fix that with a windows GPO or a regedit. That's a setting dude.

[chilly nymph]

I was actually joking. But I don't have control over any of that. I technically have local admin, but I'm not supposed to touch any of that stuff.

Or risk losing local admin for the stuff I actually need. This is my work PC I'm referencing.

Also, I'm the only one with the issue. Almost everyone else's PC reports that they are up to date. Just mine claims it's not 😛

[spice swan]

ya, so that part of citrix is not really any tech that I deal with. i am more security, encryption, application delivery, kubernetes, and cloud applications. I don't work with the virtualization stuff at all. Internally many of us use HTML5 for apps and desktops launch in a browser tab clientless..

[clear ferry]

Thankfully most of my customers have migrated to horizon, although some of them still use Citrix internally for general user desktops

[spice swan]

LOL

Not any of my customers! LOLOL

horizon cant support really big places. I have customers with +50,000 concurrent desktops

[clear ferry]

Citrix is quite dwindling here tbh, horizon has had a big boost the last few years

We don't scale to those levels

So no worries

[spice swan]

horizon is cheap and doesn't do any of the high-end workloads well like GPU pass through or Medical Imaging

[clear ferry]

Most of the medical grade stuff have their own desktops here, same with cad and oil

[spice swan]

we are publishing desktops on the international space station with our UDP version

[chilly nymph]

@spice swan wouldn't switching full on to Horizon by definition not make them your customers? lol

[clear ferry]

Our network switches are on the ISS 🤔

[chilly nymph]

@clear ferry that could also explain some of the latency at my work

[clear ferry]

[spice swan]

you freaking guys got me going..lol

[chilly nymph]

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to troll you, I'm just goofing around.

[spice swan]

its cool dude

[clear ferry]

I never troll, I'm deadly serious

🧙

15 years in enterprise, haven't got time for that jibba jabba

[spice swan]

so back to tasmota.. in 9.1 tasmota devices can now be auto-discovered in HA

[clear ferry]

With the integration yes

But that is off limits in this channel

[spice swan]

once you get a device on your network you can use the plug-in TasmoAdmin to upgrade it with like 3 clicks

just sharing a quick highlight, I have no desire to go deep

15 min till keynote

[final acorn]

where is the linjk for the conference?

🙂

[clear ferry]

Maybe in..... #763741683023216680

[spice swan]

if your HA is current, look the configuration tab of HA.. there is a link to the conference there

[green inlet]

🤢

[spice swan]

https://www.home-assistant.io/conference

[clear ferry]

118 was skipped from my part 🤏

[last cedar]

I skipped 0,97

Up to present

😂

[clear ferry]

oh shiiiit

you cray cray

https://tenor.com/JuA8.gif

hah

just saw a wonderful comment

unifi is the Apple of networking gear

[deft pewter]

Accurate, right? It's status symbol gear 😄

[clear ferry]

"prOsUmeR"

https://tenor.com/UYop.gif

[chilly nymph]

@clear ferry hoping this one turns out

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bq3ly.gif

just a few more containers to migrate to docker compose

[dull chasm]

snap snap ....

[deft pewter]

snip snip...

[clear ferry]

snøp snæp...

[dull chasm]

bang bang ...the brits run out of the new world

[deft pewter]

I thought your view was that people shouldn't discuss other countries because they don't know them well enough 🤔

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/7i7p.gif

let's eat some horse @deft pewter

[dull chasm]

@deft pewter well most dont ....i just quoted a fact that happened

[clever mortar]

I think you're overlooking the actual facts.

We'd pillaged everything we could, and so left...

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/SfMn.gif

[bitter zinc]

Craaap I forgot

[chilly nymph]

Still a no deal brexit it looks like

[bitter zinc]

Can I still buy my ticket?

[stable flint]

dl speed almost hit 5 mbps today 🎊

[chilly nymph]

@stable flint wait, what? You having internet problems or is this normal for you?

Ooh, I see now that you can click on a quote to bring back to its context. That's nice. And I'm sorry. I'm assuming nothing faster than dsl is available for you?

[stable flint]

lol i have dsl that is about 2 miles away from the connection

yep 😔

np

[chilly nymph]

No fun.

[stable flint]

at&t really skimped out on our house

[chilly nymph]

Sadly, I'm also assuming the pricing is not fair. Is there LOS type internet in your area? My parents have a place that's in the middle of nowhere but they were able to get some sort of LOS internet at what my dad says is 100 mbps or so. Slows down in the rain, but still works

Not sure how viable that is for a primary residence. But it works for them as a small getaway place

[stable flint]

im in norther indiana. the plan that we have signed up for caps out at 24 mbps but those lazy electricians didnt have the energy to boost the power along teh way

[chilly nymph]

After a quick search, I'm probably using the wrong acronym. I guess in this context it means loss of service/signal. I'm trying to say line of sight

[barren hound]

WISPs are probably the term you're looking for.

Since they do microwave point to point or wifi point to (multi) point.

[chilly nymph]

@barren hound that's probably it. I'd have to check in with my dad, he's in TX while I'm in new England

[timber hamlet]

will the new version be released today?

[tribal whale]

Ask not, guess.

Heh

[deft pewter]

The release schedule says there's a version dropping today. But until it drops...

[barren hound]

always wait for the .1 patch

[deft pewter]

I wait for about .5 every time 😄

The big one in 1.0 for me is blueprints. I'll adopt those quickly to make it easier to help newbies. Other than that, no rush.

[barren hound]

oh jaysus. I forgot we had 1.0 dropping soon

I'll wait until 1.0.5

[deft pewter]

Soon as in probably tonight.

[cosmic lily]

Been waiting for 1.0 so I can repurpose an Intel NUC for dedicated Home Assistant duties.

Finally going to dump my VM running HA Core.

[green inlet]

just curious @cosmic lily , why is 1.0 for the catalyst for the change?

[cosmic lily]

Pure coincidence, actually. A few days ago, I noticed that I have a mostly idle NUC. So really, the catalyst was the idle NUC rather than v1.0. Just makes sense to wait for the new version so I don't have to bother with upgrading.

[clear ferry]

Oh shiiiii, better tell them to slow down so you don't break the internet

[deft pewter]

Hah. Doesn't matter how many times it happens, I always panic when I get an AWS billing alarm through.

[dull chasm]

Once the sun never set in the Kingdom ....
Now it never rises

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

@deft pewter I got mine reduced from $180 to $0

🤣

[last cedar]

An idle NUC you say 😂

mine is still missing RAM and a NVME

[clear ferry]

Idle system are the devil's playground

[stable flint]

lmfao true

wait so is a new version of ha being released today??

[clear ferry]

Maybe, perhaps

Not that release dates are interesting anyway

Have to wait until at least .2 or whatever they will call it

Or further if there are daily minor relases

Ain't got time for dem bad codez

[chilly nymph]

I had a ping from @barren hound but now I can't find it

[deft pewter]

My alarm's set to $5, so it's nothing to worry about. Most months, it'll hit that in the first couple of days. It gave me more of a shock because it arrived today... I thought I'd gone way too high and hit another alarm.

[stable flint]

so no 1.x.x then...?

[deft pewter]

Really, I'd just switched off some services this month for shit I cba maintaining.

[barren hound]

I replied to the wrong person and deleted and recreated the message.

[chilly nymph]

Ah ok no worries

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-mormon-wave-hello-hi-gif-16684263

[peak cloud]

👋🏻

[last cedar]

Question, my friend has BI app and an apple watch. Alerts give him a still image in his watch. Are there any other devices (wearable) that have that level of functionality? My fitbit which is ancient doesn't hold charge well anyway and will need replacing soon. Are my only options (with that sort of functionality) an android or apple watch? (guessing that is a yes)

Throwing ideas around atm, by the way :)

[deft pewter]

I haven't seen anything push images to my WearOS watch 😦

[last cedar]

Don't think I want to go apple

[clear ferry]

With a picture? Eh, my amazfit bip does all notifications I need, if I want to look at a picture I will do it somewhere else

32+ days of battery life on the other hand

🥳

[last cedar]

That is impressive

I am not against picking up my phone to check images, etc

Even getting push notifications to a device would be amazing

[clear ferry]

I'm always in front of my laptop or phone

Unless I'm on a darksite

And then it doesn't matter anyway

[last cedar]

Yeah, no light on a darksite. Impossibile to see notifications

[clear ferry]

HA sends me pictures and video via telegram whenever motion is triggered on any of my outdoor cameras

https://tenor.com/view/mormon-book-of-dance-pesky-feelings-gif-13623686

[last cedar]

Aha, you don't use BI or such for that?

[clear ferry]

I use motion

And doods

And HA

[last cedar]

Nice :)

[peak cloud]

Wow, I can't believe there are 2055 people on this conference right now. 😮

[last cedar]

Oh, is that now :/

About to go bed bed

[peak cloud]

Yes, started near 4 hours ago.

[clear ferry]

Ain't got time for that nonsense

[peak cloud]

Don't go to bed! Watch the conference! lol

[last cedar]

Work tommorow

Pays for HA :P

[peak cloud]

😛

[silver pulsar]

watching conference now. i like the owner, seems sensible

[last cedar]

I mean, starting something like HA, you have to be a little crazy. But what a hell of a thing it is today.

[peak cloud]

Paulus is a BAMF.

[last cedar]

I would have been super skeptical if I heard the concept before it was coded. But what a monster it is today

[silver pulsar]

lol

[clear ferry]

Bad Assistant Monster Feeder?

[silver pulsar]

atxbyea you are in homelaab to right?

[peak cloud]

😂

[silver pulsar]

name looks familiar

[clear ferry]

Yaaaaas @silver pulsar

[last cedar]

Lots of people on homelab too....

[silver pulsar]

nice 😄

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-imane-anys-pokimane-nope-nah-gif-19504432

[peak cloud]

Mmmmmm...I smell 13-1 for my fantasy football team. 😄

[last cedar]

Anyway, time to get some shut eye

:D

Nn all

Will ponder wearable some more

[storm summit]

there went the forums

[forest edge]

ew odroid

[clear ferry]

Glorified kids toy you say

[deft pewter]

Eh... some of us want something small with low power consumption 😄

[peak cloud]

@forest edge Your face is EWW. 😛

[deft pewter]

$140 doesn't seem bad for that, right? How's it compare to a budget NUC?

[forest edge]

@peak cloud don't make talk bad about your jeep...

[peak cloud]

My baby loves it when you talk dirty words about her.

[forest edge]

i get why they picked the odroid with it having onboard emmc etc. for a dedicated HA box it makes more sense.. but still eww lol

@deft pewter $60 over retail for the HA case and HA preinstalled. limited edition.. yea I can see people buying it for sure

[deft pewter]

Oh... the devices are less elsewhere? I've not researched these small form factor things yet. Still using an old HP desktop my work threw out.

[forest edge]

I appended forgot the $60 over retail lol

sorry 50 guess the odroid n2+ is 80 retail

[deft pewter]

Hmm. $80 sounds even better 😄

Gonna have to look up the specs for this desktop and see how much electricity I'm wasting.

[forest edge]

Paulus needs to start doing these video things while sitting in one of those old fashion fancy chairs while wearing a fancy silk house coat with his legs crossed and a top hat and instead of a pipe he needs to have a glass of wine in one hand and remote in the other

[clear ferry]

Sorry @deft pewter for my previous comment

I meant to say overpriced glorified kids toy

[forest edge]

yet still faster than everything you own

[chilly nymph]

😳

[umbral agate]

Oh shit. I forgot about the conference.

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/xSB_MuKkgxE if you want to watch it

[umbral agate]

I know there's part of it on YouTube

Yeye

Is the paid part still gonna be available after the event is finished?

[slate marsh]

Will all be free on YouTube soon(ish) I believe

[umbral agate]

Nice!

phew lol

[bitter zinc]

Did 0.1 come out during the conference?

I’m at work I couldn’t watch the ending part

[steel kelp]

@bitter zinc New version numbering 2020.12.0

[bitter zinc]

Nice!

[steel kelp]

https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2020/12/13/release-202012/

[bitter zinc]

Cool thanks for linking

[peak cloud]

Does anyone know which filament matches the official Home Assistant color of blue?

[clear ferry]

Probably 26 different people, with 26 different opinions

[deft pewter]

The purple one.

[clear ferry]

I prefer purple over ha blue any day tbh

[peak cloud]

Pink > purple

[forest edge]

use the rainbow one where it changes depending on viewing angle

waht the hell is that called

[clear ferry]

The ha blue is an eyesore tbh

@forest edge chameleon?

[steel kelp]

https://www.home-assistant.io/blue

[forest edge]

I don't know.. it has a name when they use it as paint but thought i saw a filiment that did that too

[clear ferry]

@forest edge car painters call it chameleon atleast

[peak cloud]

The 2004 Ford Mustang Cobra had a similar option, they called it Mystichrome.

One of my dream cars. 🤤

[forest edge]

so does this mean us rpi users are kind of being back seated because they like the odroid better?

[forest edge]

there you go

[forest edge]

that paint always looked more blue/green and purple to me than any other color lol

[peak cloud]

My gosh, the things I would do for a 2004 Mystichrome Cobra...

[forest edge]

watches as @peak cloud lowers to his knees and opens his mouth gross..

[peak cloud]

I mean, they're only $30k...for a 16 year old car. 🤷

[bitter zinc]

Oh wow

That Home Assistant Blue sucks

[lone talon]

I use Intel industrial NUCs for work, and just did some benchmarking against the RK3399

[bitter zinc]

Or actually, what type of pi does it use?

[lone talon]

It kicks the N3160 Intel chip's butt, or at least seems to

[bitter zinc]

Does it not use a pi?

[lone talon]

I was replying to someone above who said it was an odroid N2+

Oh, which I was thinking was an RK3399, but it's not

[bitter zinc]

Oh. Is that a good deal for an o droid N2+

[deft pewter]

I know nothing about these things 😄

6.2W under load is nice though. Definitely gonna beat my desktop for efficiency.

[forest edge]

I just realized the Blue comes with the 128 emmc module. so yea that is a good deal. your getting storage, case and preinstallation of HA for 50 bucks

[deft pewter]

Yeah, it didn't seem terrible for an ready-made solution.

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, I absolutely would have bought the Blue for setting up HomeAssistant at my parents house

Looks a lot less janky that a Pi with a USB SSD hanging off it. lol

[shy comet]

yea and i jsut set mine up like 2 months ago with a pi4 haha

[subtle pasture]

Get the 3D model at Thingiverse, to print the iconic case for Home Assistant Blue
Clicked the link, their Thingiverse profile says "Nothing here yet"

[clear ferry]

It'll be time consuming to print a cover for my rack

[subtle pasture]

Server rack, or we talking 3D printed bras now?

[tidal bronze]

I think it's the latter.

[deft pewter]

While you're printing, could you make me one?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/bouncing-tits-pun-birds-gif-8370813

[subtle pasture]

Augh, the layer lines would be so uncomfortable...

[clear ferry]

Just make holes @subtle pasture

[subtle pasture]

Holes?

[clear ferry]

I thought you were referring to nipple chafing

[subtle pasture]

I am, lol

So you want a 3D printed nursing bra? 🤔

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-robert-downey-jr-sherlock-holmes-rdj-gif-4384335

[subtle pasture]

That'd be so weird, printed out of hard plastic...

Like boob armor...

[tame sand]

https://tenor.com/view/wonder-woman-cuffs-girl-power-gal-gadot-gif-10415980

like this

[unkempt night]

Grats on blue!

[deft pewter]

Ah, yes. Fantasy armour for ladies. Always comfortable.

[unkempt night]

Shame it doesn’t include zwave or zigbee 😦

[subtle pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/fembots-tits-sparks-fire-gif-16745917

Found the next upgrade ^

Ah crap, just realized the change to the Uptime sensor in the latest HA update will break a lot of my automations...

This'll be fun

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/pew-pew-pew-finger-guns-jake-adventure-time-gif-16206356

[tidal bronze]

@shy comet any thoughts on indexer for Korean stuff?

[upper apex]

I need a drink

[tidal bronze]

I need a few

[rugged sable]

i need your help, My brother die last week for covid i need his nabucasa account to be charge to me, is a way to do it? cant access his email and dont know his password ,

[forest edge]

@rugged sable sorry to hear that. you need to contact them directly https://www.nabucasa.com/support/ for that.

[rugged sable]

i did no response so far

[forest edge]

being the weekend and the conference just taking place you may need to wait till tomorrow till you get a response.

[subtle pasture]

https://twitter.com/zachsilberberg/status/1337881386972229634

zach silberberg (for hire) (@zachsilberberg)

i saw mommy kissing santa clause now they're going to bed and my stomach is sick and it's all in my head but she's touching his chest now

Retweets

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Twitter · Dec 12, 2020, 10:05 PM

This is the holiday mashup song I can get behind...

[hallow lagoon]

Hello, all. Not sure if if this would be the place to ask, but does anyone here use the Sengled lightbulb system with Google Assistant?

[deft pewter]

You'll want to ask over in a support channel. I'd suggest #hardware-archived (and reading topics)

[tidal bronze]

@rugged sable sorry to hear that.

[rugged sable]

thanks @tidal bronze

[supple moss]

what channel on Youtube are the conference recordings going on?

[hallow lagoon]

DrZzs

[storm summit]

probably hass channel . https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbX3YkedQunLt7EQAdVxh7w/videos

[chilly nymph]

@tidal bronze have you tried sphinx?

[tidal bronze]

No 🤔

[chilly nymph]

@tidal bronze sorry. baby has been crying. Sphinx can read korean characters.

[forest edge]

urks me when i scroll through past convo's on here to see someone ask or be concerned with buying a rpi4 for HA and some comments about it working but being slow. couldn't be further from the truth if it sat on thier face.

sure it was slow on your rpi2 5 years ago before you switched to something else...

[green inlet]

Naw, it’s slow. I run a NUC and a pi3. Both very similar installs. The actual day to day stuff isn’t slow but the install stuff is.

[forest edge]

neither of those are a rpi4. please move along

[green inlet]

Updating the container on the pi is like watching paint dry.

[storm summit]

hhe. yea. pi4 is def faster

[forest edge]

you probably hot rod your ford fiesta too

[green inlet]

This from the guy still using VHS 🤣

[forest edge]

yea well atleast I updated my pi lol

[green inlet]

I don’t know, 100.00 here, 100.00 there. If you know you are eventually going to get there, just buy a NUC or use an old laptop/desktop.

I got my NUC used for 300.00.

[forest edge]

yea and it's probably slower than the rpi4

[green inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-perplexed-what-gif-10834164

It’s an intel i7

[forest edge]

so was the computer I was using before this one.. dosen't mean it's not slow by today standards lol

now you sound like atx.. but it's a commercial grade HP from the 80's//

[green inlet]

You went from an intel i7 to a rpi4?

[forest edge]

what? no. talking about my desktop

went from an older i7 to a newer i7

[green inlet]

Right?

You are comparing apples to oranges. But ok, you win. The RPI rocks

[forest edge]

i7 compared to i7 is apples to oranges?

you feeling ok?

now you comparing a rpi3 to an rpi4 is apple to oranges lol

[green inlet]

No, you went to the desktop

What did you do with your old i7 desktop?

[forest edge]

sitting in the closet atm

[green inlet]

Throw home assistant on it. See for yourself 🤷🏼‍♂️

[forest edge]

don't need to. buy an rpi4 and see for yourself lol

[subtle pasture]

MicroSD card or USB SSD?

[green inlet]

Ok, we are back to || you win ||

I have both

Although the one for OZW is prob a regular hard drive not ssd

I didn’t buy my NUC for speed. I bought it for cameras.

But it is noticeable faster when doing HAss upgrades. I don’t really care enough to test it and day to day, I agree, it runs automations and stuff just as fast.

[chilly nymph]

@forest edge @green inlet I've used all of what you are both saying. It's a hard argument to have when you have no idea which NUC is being discussed. But I can agree that the rpi3 doesn't hold a candle to the rpi4 and the RAM you get makes a difference as well. There are NUC units that don't hold a candle to the rpi4. But you could also be using a NUC9 extreme...

Generally speaking, all of them should be able to run your automations just fine. An rpi4 is going to do upgrades in a timely manner, and there are NUC units that will crawl. But also that are blazing. But updates are also not daily. Right now, I'm on a pi4 because it happened to be convenient at the time. I'm buying a new place and will probably run it on a NUC or another desktop -- but only because I intend to run a lot more services/containers in that house.

[subtle pasture]

@chilly nymph Heh, does HA really make use of the extra RAM? I'm running it on a Pi 3 (1GB of RAM) right now, and it's sitting at 44% memory usage

I guess maybe if you're running cameras and image recognition

[chilly nymph]

Definitely depends on what you are doing

General automations? no.

I was saying it more in the context of the updates

I was also talking in circles

My point was more that it's just a hard argument to have when HA is as lightweight as you make it

And there are so many iterations of the NUC hardware

[green inlet]

@subtle pasture kinda made my point. The reason the 3b is attractive is price

[subtle pasture]

Since it's just replacing the docker image, I find that most of the upgrade process is just downloading the image file from the internet. The biggest bottleneck for the original Pi 3 is, oddly enough, the 100 mbps ethernet port (because I have gigabit internet access)

[green inlet]

By the time you add everything to a rpi4 aren’t you close to a used NUC ?

The extraction takes paint drying time on my pi 3 with external usb

[chilly nymph]

I tend to get the devices for free (which is why I've changed back and forth a couple times), so honestly, I don't get to have a seat at the "price discussion" table.

But yeah, the pi 3 doesn't hold a candle against the pi4. I didn't think the pi4 was more than $50 with 4 gb of ram, but I could remember wrong.

[subtle pasture]

@green inlet Indeed, a used NUC can be had for about $125, and pretty much any NUC, of any generation, is going to be faster than a Pi4

[chilly nymph]

There are some pretty slow NUCs...But this is a very different conversation now than it was a couple years ago...in fact before the 4 came out, I don't think it would have even been a real topic in here besides the "is it worth the extra cash" conversation.

[green inlet]

Ha , I thought they were in the 100 range. That must be for the 8 gig. I may need to get a couple for my kismet setup

[chilly nymph]

@green inlet Just looked on adafruit and the 4 gb version is selling for $55

[subtle pasture]

$125 is for one that already has RAM and an SSD pre-installed 😛

[chilly nymph]

So I was off by a few bucks

[subtle pasture]

Used NUCs are cheap AF

You can easily spend that much getting a Pi4 going, between the board, power supply, case, and storage solution.

[chilly nymph]

I'll have to look at the used market

I just print my cases though 😛

[last kiln]

I always hated when writers would writer nonsense phrases like "with tongue firmly placed in cheek"

[subtle pasture]

Not, that said, my Pi 3 will run on battery backup for many, many times longer than a NUC will, so... trade-offs

[chilly nymph]

And I have power supplies laying around...and hard drives...

[chilly nymph]

That's something I don't have...a good backup battery

I looked into just USB batteries at one point, that would allow me to keep it plugged in and effectively work as a failover. Didn't find a good battery for that need at the time as far as capacity to price was concerned. It's probably worth revisiting.

[subtle pasture]

I have some 1500 vA pure sign wave UPSs from work. They were tossing perfectly good UPSs because the batteries had died and the warranty on the UPS itself had run out

[last kiln]

For a business the warranty is worth more than the product itself

[subtle pasture]

Nothing actually wrong with any of the UPSs, they were just out of warranty and needed new batteries.

[last kiln]

Because if they spend an hour troubleshooting they're losing 10,000 dollars.

[subtle pasture]

Oh, I'm well aware, we sold them these AND the replacements 😛

They were pulled from client sites

[chilly nymph]

Yeah, I've acquired two APC units that way in the past. But in both cases, they started to beep and I couldn't get them to stop.

[last kiln]

Hey, throw one on ebay and I'll send you an offer.

[subtle pasture]

The shipping alone would probably negate any savings, to be honest...

The UPS itself is heavy, and they have even heavier lead-acid batteries in them

[last kiln]

Are they four-packs?

And are they rack-mountable?

[subtle pasture]

One is rack-mount, which is currently mounted in my rack 😛

The other 3 are breadbox-style

[chilly nymph]

@subtle pasture What kind of rack do you have?

[last kiln]

IKEA Lack

[chilly nymph]

I was actually looking at doing that lol

[subtle pasture]

34C
StarTech 12U

[chilly nymph]

But I want a better rack for my new server closet

I'll look into that one. Thanks.

[subtle pasture]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00P1RJ9LS

Linky ^

[last kiln]

I was thinking of making one out of plywood

[chilly nymph]

Thanks!

[subtle pasture]

I went for that one partially because it's adjustable-depth

So you can shrink it down if you don't need a full-depth rack, and fit it into smaller spaces

[chilly nymph]

Is there a grounding pin?

[subtle pasture]

Yup

I have the grounding strap connected to the ground lug on my UPS

[chilly nymph]

Ok. Going on my wish list.

lack rack going in the music room lol

[subtle pasture]

Chilling sideways in the closet in our home office (same closet as the IoT wall)

[chilly nymph]

Can't say I'm not jealous of that setup.

[last kiln]

Don't want to commit to a rack yet until I know how many U I'm going to need.

[storm summit]

but that electrical bill.

@last kiln 42U

[subtle pasture]

@storm summit Not as bad as you'd think. Any semi-modern hardware sill support p-states, and idle at fairly low power consumption levels

[last kiln]

Because there are 2 surround sound receivers, a 12-zone amp, a cable box, a 2U server for UnRAID, and eventually an HDMI HDbaseT matrix, etc.

[subtle pasture]

It will draw a fair bit if Plex needs to real-time transcode something, of course

[storm summit]

@subtle pasture transcode 4k?

[chilly nymph]

I'll be using it for a couple servers and a switch, to start. And I like to set things up in advance to not have to worry about it later.

[storm summit]

i never did figure out my 4k plex problems

[forest edge]

what you plan to do with your rpi outside the general scope of what HA is makes all the difference in the world. But people make comments about HA in general being slow on the rpi4 etc which is absolute horeshit. someone asking if an rpi4 good enough for HA as a blanket question is a resounding yes reply, people asking if it's good enough for HA and a Plex media server then the answer becomes something other than a resounding yes..

[subtle pasture]

The entire rack is currently drawing 200w, according to the UPS

@storm summit I have some 4k content, but it's h.264, so it direct-plays

It's h.265 that gives me trouble

[chilly nymph]

I mean everyone has different needs

[storm summit]

laser: i think you mean. wants ... heh

[chilly nymph]

I was referencing the electricity bill comment

[storm summit]

but i think i think we like to think we all need it 🙂

[subtle pasture]

Oh, also, we have solar. Our electric bill is basically $0 😛

[chilly nymph]

Was going to go there next. I plan on installing solar panels in the new place. Would you recommend waiting 6 months so I can see what our bills usually are?

Or just get everything I can. With the local utility subsidies, it doesn't look like it would be that much out of pocket to just fill my roof with panels for the most part

[last kiln]

Most people don't break even on solar.

[subtle pasture]

We had solar sized and installed before we replaced the HVAC system... the original HVAC system was from 1992 and was horribly inefficient

[chilly nymph]

I guess I can't speak to everyone. My dad uses it and he's been able to save a lot of money on it. I also drive an electric car, which helps me use more electricity than the average bear.

[subtle pasture]

We started showing a net positive the moment the new HVAC was up and running

So... our solar is a little over-sized 😅

[last kiln]

Like if you save 6% per year because you insulated your attic

But you spent 20,000 dollars

[green inlet]

Does save money on it include the cost of installation?

[last kiln]

It might take you 80 years to recoup

So that's great if you live in the same house for the next 80 years

[chilly nymph]

@last kiln I think it also depends on what subsidies are available. At one of the houses I looked at, after state, federal, municipal, and power company rebates -- out of pocket (including installation) was estimated to be around $2,500 or so.

[subtle pasture]

That ^

[hushed basalt]

I literally gave a talk on this

Using monitoring of power/temp/solar to make evidence backed improvements to your home using home assistant/grafana

[subtle pasture]

Also a good idea, even if it's something as simple as "when conditions are right, shut off the AC and notify the humans to open some windows to save some money"

[hushed basalt]

Tl;dr step 1 monitor everything you can, early

[chilly nymph]

Sorry, I was low on my $2,500 price

[last kiln]

That's great but keynsian economics don't change the laws of physics.

[hushed basalt]

That's why you used monitoring and make hypothesis first, with small experiments

I'll talk about this later I have an interview to get to

[chilly nymph]

@subtle pasture Probably something you could do in HA pretty easily, actually

(Thank you laser for being captain obvious)

[last kiln]

Guy on HA chatroom things HA is a great solution

[chilly nymph]

hah, exactly

[hushed basalt]

People definitely break even on Solar in Australia, especially if they're half smart about it

Batteries definitely not though

[last kiln]

Maybe not in Michigan though

[chilly nymph]

Yeah, batteries are the thing that I want but every time I look at the numbers can't justify

[tropic hedge]

I've got so, so many coworkers who got mildly scammed by door-to-door solar people with really weird "arrangements"

[last kiln]

I wonder if it's worth getting to the point where all of my automations are hard-coded in C.

[tropic hedge]

Like the solar is installed for free but you don't own the panels and now you pay your electric bill to the solar company and such

[last kiln]

Like I have a zwave stick plugged into a 486 and it just sits there for 40 years.

[chilly nymph]

Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about @tropic hedge

That's a lease arrangement

[obsidian ibex]

RPi4 + seedbox ftw

My electric meter approves

[spice swan]

hello

[subtle pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-hey-oh-hey-there-hi-there-hey-sexy-rosycheeks-gif-16992660

[spice swan]

does anyone know if we will see the videos from the conference this week?

[hushed basalt]

@subtle pasture @chilly nymph @last kiln so regarding solar

My recommendation to anyone is to monitor everything you can, even without solar it's just such a high return investment

So circuit level power monitoring, and ideally per room temp and humidity monitoring

Then you can see how much money you're spending per aircon level to keep the house comfortable, and what time of day you're doing it

And you know what your peak use and time of use is,

And if you're away from home and you leave the aircon off, you can see which rooms are getting hottest and roughly estimate how big of a fraction of heating/cooling they take based off their volume

Just guestimating it's not important to be highly accurate

Then it really depends what your feed in tariffs are like. Where I live they're abysmal so self consumption is the aim of the game. No value in exporting.

Then you have a baseline to run experiments on. For example seeing where you're consuming outside or over your solar generation. And build a little prototype automation to see if you can manage your self consumption

Or see which room would be best to put some external shading on.

Or if a room is losing it's cool too quickly, install more insulation there or put double glazing, or install curtains and pelmets

[last kiln]

Replace your drywall with inch-thick polyiso foam

[hushed basalt]

But what do you base that on

That decision

Investment is: (dollar x time) / return

How do you know that is a decent candidate for your time and money, versus something else

Since they're all limited

[last cedar]

If you move your house to space, space is a vacuum and because thermos flasks work so well, if you keep your house in the sun, you will never have to use any other way to heat it.

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/eRn4LABoUlwAAAAM/back-to-the-future-taking-notes.gif

[last cedar]

And like most things, modern standards are such that retrofitting a lot of energy saving features is very difficult and expensive, often building new is pretty much the only way

We tend to build on 30cm insulation in the ground, with 10cm on top of concrete as a base for a house. Those can be even thicker, but ripping the whole house up to insulate it isn't practical

If you were building new, going to 40cm and 10cm wouldn't be an issue though

[hushed basalt]

Personally I'd have to disagree

While there's certainly things you can't do cheaply retrofitted

There's always ways you can see if you can reduce your bill by 10%

[last cedar]

Oh, there are a lot that are cheap. I know

Yes

[hushed basalt]

Then 10% with something else

Etc

[last cedar]

Roof insulation seems to be lacking in a lot of places

And is pretty easy to install in a lot of cases

[hushed basalt]

But that's the whole point. Not to make guesses or "do everything"

[last cedar]

Stuff like that is a no brainer

[hushed basalt]

But to work systematically on the components that give the best return on time and money

[last cedar]

Yes :)

Numbers vary a lot, looking at houses now, stuff seems to vary from like 70 to 300kW/m2 per year to heat. Enormous differences

[hushed basalt]

Somthing may be a big problem but cost a lot to fix, some things may cost little and have a huge payback

And visa versa

[last cedar]

70kW gets a D rating here. Wonder how an A rated house looks

[hushed basalt]

Ours are a joke

We don't even have air tightness codes

And they're bringing them in slowly but they're only starting at 10 ACH

And they probably will cheat on that as well

[last cedar]

😂

[hushed basalt]

HIgH PoWeR PriCeS aRe oNe oF tHe bIggESt iSsuEs fAciNg AusTraLiaN faMilIes

Also: MaKe hOuse CheAp FasT fOr eConoMy

[last kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/c/MattRisinger/videos

He'll set you straight

[clear ferry]

We have two scales, one of how much energy it takes to keep a house warm, and one for what kind of energy is used in the house

[last cedar]

@hushed basalt something something, cake something something eating it

[hushed basalt]

@last kiln I've watched dozens of Matt's videos

[last cedar]

This is a huge rabbit hole, not gonna lie :)

[hushed basalt]

But he's not an ultimate authority

[last kiln]

No, he repeats what he learns at the seminars and trade shows and whatnot

I've gone to some of the build shows to talk to the manufacturers but never sat in on a talk.

[hushed basalt]

A lot of his stuff isn't applicable in Australia though

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/air-guitar-rock-kangaroo-gif-5189278

[last cedar]

Depends. Probably the bits involving racoons don't apply to Australia. Or Sweden

[hushed basalt]

Yes exactly

But it's about products and practices

If there's no one in your city who has both of those, it doesn't matter

You're limited to what's available in your market

They don't even wrap buildings here

[clear ferry]

aaah, last week of work in 2020

[tropic hedge]

Anyone know what terminal JuanMTech is using here?

[clear ferry]

a regular gnome terminal

I would guess

[tropic hedge]

he's in win10

[clear ferry]

oh, it's windows

[tropic hedge]

yah that tripped me out

[clear ferry]

is it not just WSL ?

or a x forwarded linux terminal perhaps

[tropic hedge]

think I found it: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/windows-terminal/9n0dx20hk701?activetab=pivot:overviewtab

available on the (shoot me) Microsoft Store

[clear ferry]

yeah, it's that with WSL

so he has opened a tab to his WSL

probably

[tropic hedge]

Kinda figured it was WSL, should have occurred to me MS would make their own terminal for it

[clear ferry]

windows terminal does more than wsl

it is actually quite good

[tropic hedge]

looks like it's a full terminal emulator

they really stepped their game lately, with that and VSCode

[clear ferry]

I love tabs also (I def didn't just close 483 firefox tabs)

[tropic hedge]

TAB EVERYTHING

[clear ferry]

I've recently moved back to linux after being away for 13 years

[tropic hedge]

docker is just tabs for your server

[clear ferry]

it feels quite nice

ah, my last docker container just moved to compose

25 containers

[tropic hedge]

I'm using portainer, but I feel like I should have compose files set up just in case

[clear ferry]

🤢

[tropic hedge]

yah yah

[clear ferry]

I've been a console jockey for 20+ years, I'm cranky

[hushed basalt]

Running docker in anything except compose 🤢

[tropic hedge]

I know, I generally am too

it's why I didn't just install Unraid. If I had I would have had all my containers up 8 hours ago rather than still working on my first

also, this default font in Windows Terminal is SEXY

[clear ferry]

what do you mean @hushed basalt isn't history | grep radarr a great way to find out how you created that container ?!"?!?

unraid 🤢

[tropic hedge]

I agree with your nausea on that one

I want to like it, but it feels gross

[clear ferry]

long live free\truenas

[tropic hedge]

Unraid looks like it was developed by a 19 year old who waits in line for sneakers and says bro a lot

[clear ferry]

Like the comment I saw yesterday about unifi being the apple of networking, unraid feels like the storage\hypervisor version of apple

[tropic hedge]

MS put the Windows Terminal config in a json file? They're just being tryhards now

[hushed basalt]

To be fair Apple develops 1 great product for every 10

Does unraid

[tropic hedge]

Unifi switches and AP are great

[clear ferry]

you mean, they developed one great product 13 years ago, then just copy pasted it ?

[hushed basalt]

Yep

I mean, ipad competitors are pretty shit

Their laptops are hilarious though

[clear ferry]

eh, my chuwi pad is probably the best android pad I've ever used, it is a shame it is releagated to fridge magnet duties 🤣

[hushed basalt]

How many problems with macbooks have been caused by their fetishism of thinness

Keyboards, cooling

And it's always NotTheirFault™

Apples treatment of their sheeple customers is pretty abusive

[clear ferry]

Norwegian customers are spoiled with the 5 years base warranty for all electronics, including iphones and apple computers

[tropic hedge]

I like my iPhone though!

[clear ferry]

what is the default in US ? 1 year ?

[tropic hedge]

yah 1 year

[clear ferry]

lolololol

[hushed basalt]

3 minutes

[tropic hedge]

it's ok, best buy sells us an extended warranty for an extra 6 months for only 25% of the purchase price that covers about 1/4 of what the original warranty does

[hushed basalt]

Clock starts at the sales desk not the register

[clear ferry]

roflcopter @tropic hedge

oh wow

that was a long time since I've written

[hushed basalt]

Extended "warranty" is just insurance

[tropic hedge]

yah, all purchased warranties are for idiots, as is any insurance where what you're covering wouldn't be life ruining

[hushed basalt]

American stuff seems to have 90 days warranty from what I've seen

I remember I dealt with a faulty product I bought from BH at the 6 month mark

And they were like "but it's 6 months ago"

[clear ferry]

I did consider buying a computer in the US last, but with the 1 year warranty compared to 5 years in norway, and the price difference didn't justify that

$230 for the blue over here @forest edge

gr8 deal

[tropic hedge]

I can't believe I pretty much just replaced PuTTy, nice

with an MS product no less

[clear ferry]

yeah, I've stopped using putty at customers

ssh from powershell has been great for a long time

wonder what the christmas bonus will look like this year 🤔

[tropic hedge]

mine was a letter in the mail saying "Merry Christmas"

[clear ferry]

lol

[tropic hedge]

as opposed to the 2% bonus + $100 department store gift card we normally get

[clear ferry]

last year was 12% which wasn't bad, the year before was 4%

[tropic hedge]

btw, by many measures it's one of the most successful years we've ever had

[clear ferry]

2020 has been a great work year for me atleast, much better work \ life balance

[tropic hedge]

I got covid, but getting it got me work-from-home, can't complain

I've had 4 months off this year, just got my latest covid test back and I'm still positive so I can't even go in at all anyway

[clear ferry]

I only know a single person who got covid irl

which is pretty strange

of all the customers and collegues I meet

he had it in march, and he still hasn't got a sense of taste or smell back

[tropic hedge]

I know a few

I've got 90% of my smell/taste back

[clear ferry]

we have only had 0.74% confirmed infected of the population though

and 350ish deaths

the US seems to be 5.3% confirmed infected of the population

[tropic hedge]

oh god no, not that high I don't think

[clear ferry]

I saw some interesting studies about previous vaccinations and covid

[tropic hedge]

oh holy hell it is

[clear ferry]

I see 16mill confirmed

[tropic hedge]

yah that's insane

I had no idea it was so high

*in terms of %

[clear ferry]

y'all cray cray

norway had tuberculosis vaccinations up to 2015 or something, mandatory for all citizens

there has been some studies that that has affected the numbers

like, italy has never had tuberculosis vaccines from what I could gather

[tropic hedge]

I didn't know tb had a vaccine

[clear ferry]

it has been offered since the 40s or 50s I think

here

However, BCG is not generally recommended for use in the United States because of the low risk of infection with Mycobacterium tuberculosis, the variable effectiveness of the vaccine against adult pulmonary TB, and the vaccine's potential interference with tuberculin skin test reactivity.

UK stopped in 2005 it seems

[tough igloo]

Australia has a great vaccine program. 94% coverage in children

[tropic hedge]

we used to in the US!

[clear ferry]

I just wish they made vaccinations mandatory to attend kindergarden

or whatever you call the place where kids 0-5 are

[tropic hedge]

they are here, doesn't matter, people get exemptions from doctors you pay for a note

we've had mandatory vaccines since I was in kindergarten

[clear ferry]

then it isn't mandatory 🤣

[tough igloo]

The exemptions are slim here plus you miss out on daycare subsidies if you are not vaccinated

And daycare is $$$

[clear ferry]

you have subsidies @tough igloo ? I thought @hushed basalt said kindergarden was like $2000 per day

🤣

Best regards $350 per month guy

[tough igloo]

Haha we have a minimum 50% rebate but it’s capped and complex blah blah still expensive. We pay $300 a week I think

[clear ferry]

lol

that is ridicoulous

I heard some places in the US are like $10k per month

[tropic hedge]

you can spend whatever you want here, but I think it's generally in the $300-500 per month range

[clear ferry]

I've never heard that price range

wife is part of a facebook maternity group with a lot of americans

many who say they cannot afford it 😦

[tropic hedge]

many americans can't afford $300-500

[clear ferry]

yeah, but I've heard everything from 3-10k per month

nothing lower really 🤔

but it varies for sure

[tropic hedge]

the highest I see is $950 a month

https://www.epi.org/child-care-costs-in-the-united-states/#/CA

we're bad here, but not THAT bad (though $1k is pretty bad!)

[clear ferry]

jesus that webpage was horrible to look at

it doesn't render properly

[tropic hedge]

yah it is

I thought it was because I have NoScript running, but I enabled half the domains and it's still terrible

[clear ferry]

washington dc, 2000 per month lololol

even if price varies it seems like it is around 22-28% of median family income to put a kid in child care

which is insane

[tropic hedge]

so I figured in DC you'd just drive the 10 minutes to Maryland for childcare, but even in Maryland it's $855 a month

and Maryland is an absolute hellhole

we often refer to as Murderland

[clear ferry]

we only have one income, and childcare is 5% of that

so if we both were working it would be 2.5%

[tropic hedge]

friend of mine just move to Baltimore, Maryland, which is of course nicknamed Bodymore, Murderland

[clear ferry]

sounds like a netflix documentary

[tropic hedge]

the city that was the hit star of TV's The Wire!

I like Southern California a lot though. If you can afford it I really think it's one of the better places on earth to live

says someone who has lived in exactly one place for 41 years

[clear ferry]

I moved out at 16, lived in 5 different cities in norway, and one year in ireland

been offered jobs in the US, but meh no thanks

[tropic hedge]

there are very few places in the US worth living

Ireland very different than Norway?

[clear ferry]

yes

FOOKIN IRISH

everywhere

👀

[last kiln]

Why would you let a stranger raise your kids? Isn't that what wives are for?

[tropic hedge]

Are the people there just kinda gloomy? Seems like a sad place

you wife has to work to help pay for the healthcare

[clear ferry]

@last kiln oh, a traditionalist I see, no wives are for working

[last kiln]

Yes, those facebook pages won't manage themselves.

[clear ferry]

northern ireland was... gloomy, ROI was fun

I can recommend visiting the ROI

less bombings these days

[tropic hedge]

Yah I'd love to drink an Irish Carbomb in a real Irish pub

[clear ferry]

It was interesting that I earned less per year in Ireland, but I had more money left, because tax

I was paying 25% at the time in norway, and 8% in ireland

[tropic hedge]

yup, Amazon sure loves it

[clear ferry]

all the big tech companies hub there

[tropic hedge]

and Apple? and most of the other American companies

I need to start exercising or working from home is going to kill me

I never realized how much I walked at work until I wasn't there. I can feel myself atrophying

[clear ferry]

yeah, I should start exercising more

I'm not morbidly obese, but I'm getting there

🤣

Or, American Small

[tropic hedge]

I was 5 lbs from my final goal weight when I got COVID. I thought I'd hit my goal for sure. It turns out losing my sense of smell made me eat way more, go fig

[clear ferry]

I was 90kgs, then I moved to ireland for a year, when I got back I was 120kg 🤣

[tropic hedge]

yah they don't seem like healthy people

[clear ferry]

it's like the UK

most stuff is deep fried and cheap

And I was young and living alone

[deft pewter]

I must live in a different UK.

It's Scotland that does stupid crap like deep fried Mars bars. The rest of the UK is pretty sensible 😄

[clear ferry]

psssh, it's very fried compared to the scandi culture

[deft pewter]

Nah. We have fish and chip shops and kebab shops, but you'll find most people don't even eat that. And home cooking almost never involves deep frying.

I won't deny that we have a high carbs diet but claiming we fry everything is a lie.

[clear ferry]

y'all homecook you say ?

https://tenor.com/bpOUK.gif

[deft pewter]

At a guess, I'd say most households cook most of their meals at home, yes. Some will be lazy and have ready made meals. Some will eat out more than others.

The problem's that a lot of people don't know how to cook healthy meals. Way too much rice/pasta/bread in their diets.

Always the crappy white stuff too, never wholemeal 🤣

[odd kindle]

omg! Blueprints! So excited! New versioning as well, sweet

aaaaand the blueprint in the release notes are using the one things I've reaaaallly wanted to get working but still haven't set up myself

[clear ferry]

blueprints look nice

[odd kindle]

I love HA development so much

[silk ingot]

Hello,
I was wondering if there is any link to a timeline of the HA development from 2013 to now with some highlights ?

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry I'll have to play the payrise game if i get this new job

Entry level will probably be not great but the company is really really good

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/QBuW.gif

I was apparently just given more long term cash incentives

I should start getting those paid out soon

[deft pewter]

Long term cash incentives? Savings schemes?

[clear ferry]

nah, its x amount of money that is awarded over 2-3 years based on performance

which is partly invested in stuff, so that you can get even more if the investments pay off

also if I quit I don't get the next years payment

"incentive"

[hushed basalt]

Humble brag much

[clear ferry]

I'm never humble

https://tenor.com/biHNB.gif

[grand plank]

Google is down 🙊

[prime pelican]

It's very much down

[dusky plank]

works for me, only YT is down

[clear ferry]

that's because you are routed to the russian troll-servers @dusky plank

no worries

[dusky plank]

ah, not these bastards again

[clear ferry]

keep on

[prime pelican]

Search working but pretty much everything else is down

[grand plank]

Looks like Discord is affected too according to Down Detector!

[clever mortar]

It's fine here 😛

[clear ferry]

oh, it's the electoral college ballot today

that explains the hacking of google

[prime pelican]

It's the authentication that seems broken, you can use YT incognito.

[strange vapor]

Seeing reports of Spotify having issues as well. Do they rely on GCP?

Looks like they do: https://cloud.google.com/customers/spotify

[bitter zinc]

https://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en&v=status

[prime pelican]

Seems like it's working again

[bitter zinc]

Shows everything as down here

[grand plank]

Everything seems okay for me now

[frozen fulcrum]

jesus that was scary

i thought i got banned from google

[clear ferry]

One could only hope

[frozen fulcrum]

then i turned off my HASS backup because i thought, oh man maybe my google backup addon is hammering google too much and they banned me or something whacky

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bdI5P.gif

[real tinsel]

why didnt guys in HA go for Jestson Nano intead of ODROID-N2

?

[frozen fulcrum]

i mean it literally said "couldn't find your google account" and when i googled that it just came up with results saying that's the message you get when account is banned/disabled

bah gawd that was a crazy 15 mins

[bitter zinc]

Lol they run a lot of services, if google goes down a lot goes down

[deft pewter]

Fortunately it's not as big as the AWS outage the other week.

I think AWS is still more popular than GCP.

[bitter zinc]

I was about to say I hope AWS never goes down lol

I would think it is

[deft pewter]

Their main US availability zone went down. Took out half the internet for a while.

[frozen fulcrum]

i'm impressed how fast they fixed it.

[strange vapor]

Work with a few ex-AWS people. They generally refer to us-east-1 as us-tyrefire-1 🙂

[deft pewter]

I don't think it helps that if you're given a list, you'll naturally pick the first thing on it (us-east-1), so the impact is much greater when it breaks.

We spread our stuff across regions but were still hit by that.

[strange vapor]

It's also the oldest and biggest region with acres of legacy crap they can't easily get rid of.

[clear ferry]

y'all and your y'clouds

https://tenor.com/berAw.gif

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/9o8IVTp54x4AAAAM/joker-lose-mind.gif

Good thing google search itself didn't go down

Duckduckgo would have caught on fire

[clear ferry]

🇬 🇴

[hushed basalt]

🦆 🦆 👉

[clear ferry]

hmmm, need to check how many days of vacation to transfer

[covert kettle]

when you go blue!

[clear ferry]

🤢

https://tenor.com/w3Hm.gif

oh, I had more than I thought, 39 days left

[worldly imp]

discord to my knowledge is ran off googles cloud platform im pretty sure

[winter heath]

GCloud 🤮

[bitter zinc]

Lol the blue

[winter heath]

Does anyone have a recommendation for a nice RPi 4b case that allows for a fan to be installed while having the RaspBee II Zigbee shield installed as well?

[celest oasis]

if i want to set automation as such
vibration sensor > turn on light > no activity for 30mins > turn off lights
is it possible ? and please direct for correct channel

[hearty depot]

tat would be #automations-archived
(and yes)

[celest oasis]

@hearty depot thank u

also to check under HA automations, the connections becomes local or does it still go through whatever hubs (mihome etc) ?

[clever mortar]

Depends on the #integrations-archived you're using for it

[tidal bronze]

Anyone running DSM 7?

[serene mortar]

@tidal bronze did you install it already?

[tidal bronze]

About to 🙂

Excited to try out new photos

[serene mortar]

same here...I am also excited but don't want to mess up my production

keep me posted

[tidal bronze]

Will do.

[vagrant yew]

This latest update is really underwelming

[vagrant yew]

that one is still in beta. I think its best to wait a bit or run it virtual if your synology supports it

I got it in one instance

Looks pretty nice

But for example the photos app doesnt match the functionality they advertise

plus no mobile apps yet to align it

[tidal bronze]

Photos app is on play.

[vagrant yew]

oh nice they released that finally

[tidal bronze]

@serene mortar lightning fast UI response and no issues on upgrade. Waiting for photos to finish indexing.

1 box done 3 to go 🙂

[ebon meteor]

Wonder how the blues are selling...

[shy comet]

i got one friend to buy it lol

hes been wanting to switch to HA for a while now

@tidal bronze RE: korean indexers....no idea lol....id go on reddit....either /r/usenet or /r/usenetinvites

if i didnt just get my parents a pi4 3 montsh ago i wouldve gotten them HA blue too

talk about buyers remorse lol

[deft pewter]

I'm still trying to decide between an NUC and an ODroid. Probably won't get the Blue simply because getting it to the UK costs too much.

[orchid rose]

The celeron nucs just look like such good value for these types of projects unless you're extremely power limited

[clear ferry]

Nuc any day

Or similar

[night zodiac]

@shy comet I bought my parents a Pi for HA too with an SSD. I'm about to repo it and get them a blue though, lol.

[light trout]

Will it run multiple VMs?
Yes: go with something like NUC
No: Odroid

[orchid rose]

but odroid costs about as much, doesn't it?

[light trout]

Not any that I have seen

[clear ferry]

Here it does

[orchid rose]

130€ from UK with a case

[clear ferry]

With $230 in Sweden

And $365 in Denmark

[last cedar]

Ouchies

[clear ferry]

Can buy a proper system for that price

[celest oasis]

is this HA blue a hub sortof ?

[clear ferry]

It is a small system on a chip

[celest oasis]

so i can just get this blue instead of buying a raspberry 4 ?

[clear ferry]

Without any ZigBee or zwave antennas

[night zodiac]

beefier pi with emmc, lol