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true but as i said, for the m,ajority there isn't an issue lol
I don't have caps with Spectrum. At least not published. And I have somehow never hit their undocumented caps
yea spectrum dosen't have caps.. not many do.. comcast did at one point but think that is gone now
Oh, btw, if you're renting your modem from Comcast, you can use the hotspot for unlimited bandwidth 😛
Set up your router with multi-WAN and just run all your massive torrents and backups over Xfinity WiFi. lol
Granted, it's limited to 25mbps, but you'll never hit your cap again
i think only the lower tier providers do caps.. those super cheap plans that are basically piggy backing main networks
Comcast caps end-to-end. You need Comcast Business Class Internet to not have a cap
Or pay an extra $50 per month to remove the cap
my friend on the east coast has comcast and he did have a cap at one point but it's gone now
he should check again, Comcast just reinstated caps nation wide...
yeah, during a pandemic where most people should be working from home
Yeah, I think we can all agree on one thing here: Fuck Comcast, and fuck data caps.
link me where they said that.. i want to troll him
if he had a cap he would be bicthing about it
that much i know lol
Comcast announced it will roll out its 1.2 terabyte Wi-Fi data plan to all remaining Xfinity customers as of Jan. 1, 2021
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2020/11/25/comcasts-xfinity-roll-out-data-caps-and-customers-mad/6423622002/
is that refering to the mobile shit?
Comcast doesn't do mobile...
Yeah, no idea what that's about
They mean Xfinity internet, as a whole
Learn more about the Terabyte Internet Data Usage Plan.
that sounds like either something mobile or maybe they have that city coverage wifi crap? where you don't even have a line ran to your home
Again, comcast has no mobile service...
Their leased modems provide a wifi hotspot for xfinity customers, that's about as close as they get
But yeah, Comcast is rolling out a 1.2 TB data cap to 100% of its customers by Jan 1, 2021
well most of these companies have "wifi hotspots" around a city to provide customers access on the go.. those same hotspots can be used to feed surrounding customers with jkust pure wifi access
and that is what sounds like is getting the cap
not the hardwired customers
https://www.techspot.com/news/87719-surprise-comcast-complete-rollout-data-caps-everywhere-2021.html
Nope, ALL customers
Spectrum calls all of their plans wifi plans because their leased modem has inbuilt wifi
That's probably what they are referring to
Because, again, the average user only knows so many tech vocab words
Nor will the data cap apply to "Business Internet customers..."
comcast has had data caps here for many years.
Right, but if you're paying for business class internet, you already knew that
And they also offer a $50/month add-on to get rid of data caps on the consumer plans
But either way, they want you to pay a fuck-ton for no data cap
comcast used to be the best thing in town but ATT has them beat...as long as you hack their modems.
but still some people here can't get the good att plans and are stuck with comcast.
comcast has always sucked major donkey dick.
i have alot of friends who has been stuck with them for years and they complained so much it's funny lol
Spectrum is my only option greater than 5Mbps, so I am happy they haven't gone completely to the dark side yet
knocks on formica laminated MDF
wtf. when did github get forums?
I can only get 80/30 where I live
If I'm lucky. if the copper degrades there's nothing I can do
Next house I move into could have anything from 25 to 100 Mbit
The Australian internet lottery
glass > copper
I've had this stuck in my head all week https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_L5v9OTSxc
Get or stream "How to Talkbox" on Spotify & elsewhere: https://ffm.to/ri001
... including an Instrumental, if you wanna karaoke :)
Lyrics:
Ok!
This is the story of a song
That started out as a remix
But they wouldn't release it
Such a shame, such a shame
Then I said to myself:
Shouldn't I just finish it anyway
And make it a song for myself?
So...
@last dirge did you get the 2020.48.10 update?
it prompted me for something earlier
anything interesting in it?
Nothing major.
that's the one it suggested
Elon mentioned some cool updates coming in for Christmas update. I thought this is it. Apparently not.
the real cool stuff is HW3 cars
Yup
What model do you guys have?
3
We’re 0.5 short of 3 😝
My '10 Prius is no longer fun, and my daughter is about to need a car
There are some Christmas Easter eggs in there I think.
I can have those speeds... for another $80/month
I cannot find even a heavily used model 3 for the same money as a new Korean EV
Being in Texas, what few are here, are coveted
that's a LOT of shit
And if I want truly affordable, the Bolt is always out there
can't really compare the tech in any of those though
Nothing compares, in tech terms, to Tesla
The Soul? Should come in around $35k, the Kona is $38k, the Bolt is like $1.99 with Chevy's clearance deals
Did you read that the Mustang one has fake engine noises in the cabin?
lol
Soul and a Model 3 SR+ are about the same price
Chevy has made a HUGE investment in EV for upcoming model years. Interested to see what they pull off
the eGolf is supposed to be pretty good
Just looked, used 2017 model 3's go for 45k within 150 miles of me
eGolf has a short range, I thought
I visit my mother frequently, and she lives 225 miles away. I need the range to cover that trip easily
you probably wouldn't want that 2017 model 3
that's SUPER early production
you're not making that trip in that Kia without stopping on the way
what's it use for fast charging?
CCS?
Just says DC Fast Charging will be standard equipment
download PlugShare
see what's around you
not knowing what plug it uses isn't useful 🙂
243 mile range (the over estimate), I figure a 15 minute fast charge halfway shouldn't be an issue
I was trying to locate specs, you google faster
last time I supercharged I hit 130kW
what's the charge gained / 15mins at 130?
I think I picked up 90 miles in 8 minutes
it's ridiculous
and that's not even V3 supercharging
So if I can find a 110kw charger along the way, I can easily get there
Soul maxes out at 100
https://www.zap-map.com/charge-points/kia-soul-ev-charging-guide/ according to that
I think V3 supercharging is 180kW
That should be based on the 2020 model. The 2021 is getting Level 3 charging and the specs are still kinda hard to find
what the car accepts isn't going to be your issue
what's available is going to be your issue
Teslas get the Supercharger access PLUS whatever else is available
download Plugshare
see what's around you
or I guess go to their website
There are 6 150kw CCS ports at the halfway point
I have driven several going back to 2017. That's when I was bitten by the EV bug. I drove a performance package model S just a few weeks ago. I know NOTHING compares, but my finances will unfortunately have a say in what I end up in
the Model 3 SR+ is a good car
won't have the tax credit that Kia may still have available
Is there even a federal credit left?
but is otherwise about the same price
muh sufferin industry
I recently had a TIL moment when I read that Texas is the number one alternative energy producing state in the US... irony
very true
I have always been a Texas city dweller
Don't get to see much of the nothin
But I know it's there
a whole lot of it
I've driven across it
for hours
well, sir. nice bending your ear on EVs for a few. I am gonna go pass out now
night, y'all
went full Texan for my sign off
Kona is $65k here before on road costs
Even worse for some states who have a per km tax on EVs
So you're looking at well over $70k drive away, maybe $400-$500 year tax,
That doesn't include yearly registration
Looks like the top Kona with hitch is aud60k new here @hushed basalt
I'm not a fan of suvs anyway
I'd rather have a station wagon but they're basically dead in Aus
Or even a minivan
Suvs are like a compromise of everything.
Smol
🤏
😂
Can always upgrade!
EEeh, later!
I was actually surprised the v90 is 1000l less storage then my v70
It looks so huge
Minivans all the way
Enough for 2 kids seats and a third row and usable storage in the boot
Minivans aren't a thing here, probably... Only 0.01% of market
They're not huge here either
Most cars are in the golf to Passat size range
Which is a shame since they're probably a better fit for parents than these suv monstrosities
SUVs are huge here
As in popular
SUVs in the Tiguan - E-tron size are big here, SUV in muuuurica sizes are retained for rednecks
My father in law spent $100k on a Landrover financed
And they work about 2km from home
Yeah, land rovers are mostly bought by the 1%
They're the 1%

Had a colleague who drove one, he bought them fully in cash, never been married, never had kids, took over his parents house when they died
Bought it with five seats for some reason too
Need somewhere to do cocaine parties?
I think there's just a lot of mimicking
If you're in a "corporate" job I'd say almost everyone has a SUV or larger
Dualis or higher
Hatchbacks like Corollas are for nanas and uni students basically
They all buy Audi E-tron here
Audis are a big status symbol
I think they're considerably more expensive here than japanese or korean cars
$150k for an e-tron before costs
It starts at usd48k it seems here
Yep it's a rip
Noice, the new fine for using a cellphone while driving will be $500
He said while driving
You can get 6 penalty points and a £200 fine if you use a hand-held phone when driving. You'll also lose your licence if you passed your driving test in the last 2 years.
Hit 12 and the license goes bye-bye
You can basically look at navigation app in a cradle, and use voice commands without looking technically
This is why I want android auto so i can actually pick a spotify playlist etc without having to pull over
Get a passenger
Craigslist: Passenger to press Spotify app. No pay.
Free travel to random destination.
It's just so overwhelming when i look at head units and try to figure out what will actually work with my car
I thought any kind of touching here was now illegal. They closed the loophole that meant app usage was okay and only calling/texting were illegal.
I just hope they don't ban android auto
Well some smart displays now lock while you're driving. Can only interact when you're pulled over.
Seems a sensible compromise to me. Adjust things while you're stopped at lights but not while you're doing 70mph.
That seems to allow touching in a cradle
Hmm this hospital wifi seems to be trying to mitm my home domain
Do eGPUs just make no sense,
They're like $600-$700 for enclosures excluding GPU. And that only gives you x4 PCIe 3.0
Just seems like you'd be better off just building a budget gaming pc
caNt bUy buDGet, I wiLL bE ridiCulED
I'd ridicule someone with an eGPU
My brain is melting
Up since 3am
It's now 9.46pm
And I probably won't get to sleep before 12
I would if I could haha
Look at this stupid tablet
It's not even doing anything. But it's locked on with a cheap blue backlight and a nasty blue dashboard
I hear blue leds are the best to help people sleep
@scenic radish you sick duck
Tediore is away for 21d 1h 20m 13s with a message :point_right: 🤏
21 days. What did you do to him atx?
@hushed basalt Yes our water is measured in steps: https://paste.debian.net/1176504/
Looking for a little help - I inadvertently added a second light switch with the same name as an existing one. I have corrected the switches and the configuration file, but now I can not get HA to control ether switch 😦 - can anyone point me in the direction of the cure?
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@clever mortar thanks
That's not even the first time you've done that 🤔
The topic hasn't changed since then, nor have the rules.
I'm convinced nobody reads the topic
Also, the topic isn't visible on mobile unless you swipe to the left to show the user list
I read the topics and still end up in the wrong channels sometimes
No-one even reads the messages from the mods 🤷♂️
I can understand missing it once. Missing it every time is just ignoring it.
Just cutting some slack for mobile users, who literally do not see topics unless they intentionally go looking for them
I am most upset that I can't make this channel my personal FB page and try to force feed everyone my political beliefs
I get that. But that's why we do that bot command to put it right in front of them 😉
Could do one of those bots that does an auto-DM 🤔
Unless people have blocked DM
Auto-DM on what basis? Bots aren't clever enough to recognise all the things we view as support questions.
I'd love for it to be possible but it'd be difficult to implement.
NLP, maybe? Even that isn't simple.
You can have bots auto dm when someone joins the server with all the topics, but again, it may get overlooked
I think it already does...
And you say 'overlooked'. I say 'ignored'.
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How many of those 3 things do most newbies do? 🤣
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Full-wave rectified only, please @_@
ugh, I hate that. I emergency bought some LED lights as a last minute replacement for my broken christmas lights, they are definitely not rectified
it's mostly fine now that they're up, but when the strands were moving around as I was putting them up I thought I was going to barf
cant take it anymore
me neither
when will it end brother?
when we eat bullets.
or a singular bullet
depends on how lucky you are the first time.
ready to embark
Hi guys!
I look for anyone who may help me with integration of Bose SoundTouch, as i fail now for a long time. I believe this is easy to fix but i cannot find any help in the google/docs
@autumn yarrow as you can see by scrolling up, there is only serious business here.
Very Sirius
The best bit is that they started in #integrations-archived and then came here to crosspost 🤦♂️
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More is better
I often check into 4 different hospitals emergency departments at the same time
You can afford to, it's free.
Well it's public
It's free as in when a member of your household goes to the tap for a glass of water they don't have to swipe their credit card
But it's still paid for
Yes. Free as in not having to sell your house to pay for routine medical treatment.
ah, so not american
you must be socialists
spending less for something is apparently socialism.
@barren hound this is not the place for this is better than that type discussion ....as most americans dont know enough about the rest of the world ....the rest of the world doesnt know enough about american
that was all tongue in cheek.
If you want to remind us of the 'no politics' rule, fine. But telling people what they don't know is awfully condescending.
Anyway... it's late, g'night.
well its hard to judge without living it ...from a thousand miles away ...it not a slight against anyone
Caring about politics is wasted energy lol
why not care about politcis?
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got me, sorry
Tabs vs spaces
Spaces.
100%
Reason: spaces always show in any editor, regardless of settings. Tabs do not show true.
It's really about indentation vs alignment
Not even.
How so
If we're talking about code, spaces all day.
Alignment is always true with spaces. And indentation is generally more consistent with spaces.
Alignment is when people align code to make things line up between lines
Indentation is generally just one indent per scope
Go have a look at some of the projects on GitHub that use a mixture. Then try to clone that repo and take a look in your own editor.
They're not synonymous
Correct, and I understand the difference.
You can't use a mixed code base as an example
It should always been the same through the entire project, at least per language
But let's take python for example. Let's say it was formatted to use a tab character instead of 4 spaces
What difference would it make
Tell that to PHP developers. 😂
They're not real people
But see, that's where you're already messed up.
Let me find an example for Python, 1 sec.
I can't readily find an example in HA's core code, so let me try JS 🙂
I'm having trouble finding either, but I know they exist in the wild!
I mean if you're a person who uses an arbitary number of spaces to "align" code you deserve a special hell
Auto format all the things!
Some language specs declare standards like that.
"multi-line expressions must have operators that align with other operations"
Devil languages
Example, and might be bad practice -- I'm not a Python dev: https://github.com/dale3h/python-lovelace/blob/master/lovelace_migrate.py#L109-L110
Another example, straight from PEP 8: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/
Backslashes may still be appropriate at times. For example, long, multiple with-statements cannot use implicit continuation, so backslashes are acceptable:
with open('/path/to/some/file/you/want/to/read') as file_1, \ open('/path/to/some/file/being/written', 'w') as file_2: file_2.write(file_1.read())
How are you going to handle that with tabs?
Woo, my VR headset shipped early! Valve Index will be here Wednesday :3
Time to make my GPU cry
Now, a decade or two ago I would have argued tabs, because of limited storage and bandwidth availability.
I ordered a Quest 2 today 😮
@peak cloud eeeeh, spaces compress about the same as tabs, so if even the most basic compression is used, there isn't even a space savings
I know, I know....that's a peon's headset. 😂 The Index is friggin' sweet. Wish I had a gaming rig.
Back before compression was a standard for HTTP, it mattered. 😂
In that case, you don't use either, because HTML doesn't give a shit about whitespace
Minify your code and send spaghetti
I am genuinely curious as to how @hushed basalt is going to respond to these Python examples.
Spaghettttttttiiiiii
It's too hard to view them on mobile
Also, python is evil for making whitespace part of syntax. If you've learned pretty much any other language prior, Python is a pain in the ass
You would wear out less spacebar keys though 😂
I'd need to do it on a computer
@last cedar Most text editors and IDEs allow you to automatically convert tabs into n spaces
TIL
So you can just use the tab key to insert a set number of space characters
I have notebook++ (is it called that?)
Another pet peeve with Python: They didn't standardize, so some code uses tabs, while other code uses spaces, and code with tabs is 100% incompatible with code with spaces unless you do a global replace.
50/50 shot of example code being in the wrong format, and just not working for no apparent reason, until you check the whitespace
Sounds like a nightmare tbh
I don't code, I do hardware. Sounds like I could easily drown in python haha
I mean, I get what they were going for. If they enforce whitespace as part of syntax, then all code should be reasonably well indented for readability
Except a lot of the time the indentation you're forced to use is harder to read than manually indented code in other languages...
And the tabs vs. spaces thing
@last cedar I generally find that people who've never really written code before have an easier time with Python than people who are versed in a more traditional language
In VSCode it is a little bit of a process to convert between the two. My default is set to 2 spaces, but some overrides are set for say Python and Bash. If I load a PHP file that uses tabs, it shows as occupying 2 spaces. If I want to convert everything to 2 spaces I have to first change indent with spaces to 4, then convert tabs to spaces, then switch back to 2.
Wordpress is notorious for mixing tabs and spaces. 🤢
A lot of Node.js projects use a mixture as well. I try to use .editorconfig in my projects if I remember to, that if the editor implements support for it, it doesn’t matter what the preferred settings are.
@peak cloud I hear the Quest 2 is pretty good, and I believe it has a tethered VR mode to use it as a PC VR headset
It does, using Oculus Link just like the original Quest.
I have an original Quest.
But alas, that still requires a gaming rig 😛
Indeed 😛
I hit the used marked for my last big upgrade. Actually worked out pretty well
Actually managed to build an Intel HEDT platform system for once (built an X99 system with an i7 5960x)
Shouldn't prettier just take care of nodejs formatting
How well would an i7 3770K perform for gaming? I have an extra lying around that used to be my Blue Iris machine. Currently equipped with a 1TB SSD, 32GB RAM and Windows 10 Pro. I don't have superb graphics card, but I wouldn't mind investing a little into one if I knew it would all work out.
Oh, I gave my girlfriend my old 3770k setup when I upgraded
Any idea how it'd handle VR?
Still does ok in the games she plays, no idea on VR though...
I have spare optiplexs with i7 4770k but it can't take a full size graphics card
I saw a comparison for some hefty games recently, comparing the i7 3770K to a modern era i9, and the difference was negligible.
Power supply is the biggest limit
And I overclocked the snot out of that 3770k (also did a delid, with liquid metal under the IHS)
I used to run VR on a 4770k with no serious issues back in 2016-2018 or so
Runs day-to-day at 4.7 GHz on an air cooler
Delidding is the way to go on Ivybridge chips
The only thing my old machine lacks is a CPU fan and a good graphics card. 🤷
It's really going to depend on your target framerate. If you're good with 60 FPS, then a 3770k will probably be ok.
@hushed basalt I think it has a 650W PSU. It's been 2+ years since I booted it, so I don't know for sure.
60 FPS in VR? Yeah, I'm good with that. 😂
Most people seem to aim for 90+ FPS in VR to reduce latency
I don't care about being a part of the 90 FPS club. 😂
And I believe the Index has a 144 Hz mode
I'd mostly be playing PokerStars VR on it, and MYST if it's supported through Oculus Link.
Oh yeah, I heard about the new Myst re-release
How many times am I guying to re-buy Myst? It's worse than Skyrim. lol
I remember playing MYST as a kid, back in the mid-90s. 😂
I already bought it, but I'm trying to decide whether or not I want to hold out for journal/notes support.
MYST, MYST Masterpiece Edition, realMYST, realMYST Masterpiece Edition
Now the VR version
And I believe I have both the original Red Orb release of the original Myst, and the updated Broaderbund release
I know nothing about VR
Cyan published the game under both >_>
But my guess is high frame rate would be important
I think low frame rate may cause cognitive distress
Like when you type on a keyboard and the characters don't update on screen fast enough
@hushed basalt In VR, latency is the enemy. Low framerate = higher latency.
Or you talk to someone on the phone and you're delayed too much
Turning your head and having the image turn a moment later makes a lot of people immediately sick
That's what I guessed would happen
@peak cloud You ever play URU: Ages Beyond Myst?
Cyan's attempt at a Myst MMO RPG
Anyone have a Xiaomi mi band 5
@clear ferry
I might get one just for the sp02 monitoring.
Shame no android pay but it's so cheap I could just buy a successor if it comes with it
I will be looking for something new when my fitbit dies. Running a charge 2, must be 3 years old now? 4? They have replaced it twice. Stress and sp02 would be nice to have (sp02 less so)
Battery life is slowly getting worse on it, but it still keeps chugging along
Nope. I honestly thought MYST died with MYST 2, and hadn't given it much thought again until I saw the gameplay for Quest a few days ago.
Speaking of how many times you have to buy something...how many times am I going to have to buy Minecraft?
heh, there were 5 games in the main series, and then the MMO
Myst, Riven, Exile, Revelation, End of Ages, URU
Minecraft PE, Minecraft Windows 10 Edition, Minecraft Apple TV Edition, Minecraft Java Edition...
Oh, and apparently looking through my emails I purchased Minecraft Playstation Edition twice. 😡
Heh, only purchased Minecraft once
Got the Windows 10 edition free for already having the Java edition
Sadly, I think this is going to be the first time I've purchased it for myself (Minecraft Java Edition).
Every other time has been for the kids.
Watch, as soon as I try to purchase Java Edition they're going to announce VR edition next week.
there's already the VR edition 8)
not for quest though unless you use the link cable unfortunately
But that's for GEAR, not Quest. 😦
Oh, wow, really? 😮
slaps @tropic hedge
If you happen to play modded minecraft there's also Vivecraft which is an even better version for java MC
I downloaded the 10th anniversary map and just wandered around it in VR, it was beautiful
it's criminal there's no native rift MC, but the link cable one will do.
Hi all! Is there any good place to ask questions about InfluxDB? I a looking for a way to cleanup old entities so they do not clutter my dashboard in Grafana.
I really only want to play because my daughter wants me to play. And fortunately, before purchasing Java edition, I read up on it and found out that it's not compatible with whatever MC she plays on iPad.
ah, yah 8(
Yeah, the mobile version is a total rewrite
There's work being done to mod Java servers to allow mobile clients to join (and it does actually work, but not fully)
I have bought the java one 4 times, for 4 of us
As much as I don't like java, it has been a lot of fun playing minecraft over the years
I loved modded mc to death. Probably have a few thousand hours in those FTB packs
We only play vanilla. Countless adventures :)
@hushed basalt Here's another example, this time in Jinja: https://jinja.palletsprojects.com/en/2.10.x/templates/#line-statements (directly below the Note: section)
I only like tab's with ice
🏇 🏇 🏇
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is this new ?
aaah. just got the DeskMini X300 and an AMD Ryzen 7 4750G
but no ram yet...
🤢
Let me guess, curren gen?
Im more in the IBM lenovo world (but would not do if I had a choice 😛 )
Norwegian telecom operator Telenor had a deal with IBM 12 years ago
And they had so much trouble with their servers that they were granted free servers for the remainder of the contract (10 years)
They were ridiculously happy when it ended 2 years go
And they could buy hpe servers
got a lot of failed DIMMs 😛
"node xy is down.. what is it.. ah failed memory.. open ticket (again)"
@hearty depot what will you be running on it?
openstack compute node
atm controler and compute is running in exis (because easy and no friddle to try stuff) but thats just plain stupid 😄
quite fun
I have a big cluster at work and have to test somehow stuff before I do stupid stuff in prod
Eh maybe I'll bother learning it one day
ist free!
Warum
Das ist super
redhat.rip
I think even amazon quicksail Lightsail is
AMD should make their NUC-competitors with the new Ryzens already... Need one for next summer
But it's still not quite as neat as a NUC 😢
18w idle afaik
with the R7?
yep
That's a bit too beefy for my HA use so the lower end models would be better in that regard I think
got still the old gen apu in my other server
I'm still surprised these aren't more popular tbh. Perfect desktop PCs for any casual user
so true, I ll get it a spin with casual gaming (as soon as I found wich memory I have to buy.. )
I bet cyberpunk sucks but my alltime fav Warframe could work out
Yeah I wouldn't dream on running triple-A games on one, but older games should be fine now and then and for everything else it's more than enough
damn, the flashbacks
Y'all old
just talk old man
Says the Ancient One.
Not gonna disagree with that.
🤣
My parents sent me a home made lamb roll for Christmas
Now to boil it
And press it
🐑
I miss lamb. So expensive here in Sweden compared to UK!
It's expensive here most of the year too.
Not surprising when most of it's flown from frigging NZ.
We import very little
Very little lambs? 🤏
That explains why you eat that shitty brown stuff.
Must be awful to not have access to good french, italian, swiss and austrian cheeses
Yeah I had to google and it turns out EFTA doesn't cover agricultural products
What about chemical weapons? Can we import brown cheese without tariffs?
Good question. It's probably banned in the civilized world, like surströmming
I don't know who wouldn't want fermented fish... 🤷♂️
Are there any good foods in Scandinavia?
Meatballs
mushrooms (not that kind)
Mmm, meatballs. I love me some mystery meat.
Y'all need to try some Norwegian waffles with brown cheese
Yes it is
I don't think it's as good as beef but I'd still eat it.
Swedes do a lot of horse
Raindeer is delicious too
And moose
And whale
And seal
Hello o/
Pre Conference time
horse is tabu in the states ...
Not very common in the UK but I wouldn't say it's taboo here.
You wouldn't find it in a supermarket but you could buy/import still.
These videos demonstrate how I've IoT'd my home and form part of the 5 blog series that begins here: https://www.troyhunt.com/iot-unravelled-part-1-its-a-mes...
There was a period in time when horse meat got into the findus factory
About 5 years ago
Hence the picture
Utterly hillarious
Stop spamming, @midnight adder
@ebon vault Please DO NOT cross post. Read the channel description, post it and wait for folks to respond.
I'd be surprised if anything but a specialist butcher here did it. I think the only times I've eaten it, we bought it in France and brought it back.
People are just a bit too precious about 'pet' animals.
that you know of
To a lot of western countries, horses are for racing/riding, not eating.
There was a scandal not too long ago where people were caught selling horse as beef. I think the checks are stricter now.
Bad atx
I hear raccoon tastes like ass. Alive or dead.
horse meat has never been acceptable execpt in rare situations ...hunger and etc
But you taste like ass...
In the US...
Lots of countries eat things you'd find weird, and you eat things they'd find weird.;
Horse meat is in a lot of dogfood
racoon is okay if and only if cooked right ....
I can't reply to that in a sfw way
@barren hound true but only from animals that are dying ...not a raised for situation
More whale
I'm sure a lot of Hindus think we're bad for eating beef. 🤷♂️
Lets say, I am missing one of those 2 things to make a comparison. And I will leave it there
No
Only live ass.
All animals are dying. It's a matter of timescale and perspective.
well no shit
Horses are just terrible to raise for meat. they're much more finicky than cows.
It's not about whether they are raised for meat. It's whether we choose to.
We could raise dogs for meat. We just treat them like pets instead.
In other countries, dogs are vermin.
they are not even a good return on investment ....they dont fatten like cattle
Cattle were bred to be bulkier, right? I'm sure you could selectively breed other animals to the same end.
Buffalo is the best meat, though.
Yeah... not sure anyone should be eating something whose population is that low.
We have eaten moskus here in the past
Moskus? https://moskustrio.no/
buffalo are on the rebound, now that ranchers figured out how to raise them. You can get it at the supermarket or butcher easily.
extremmely lean thou .....cant eat that just for protien
Well, no. But mono-diets are bad.
The muskox (Ovibos moschatus, in Latin "musky sheep-ox"), also spelled musk ox and musk-ox (in Inuktitut: ᐅᒥᖕᒪᒃ, umingmak; in Woods Cree: ᒫᖨᒨᐢ, mâthi-môs, ᒫᖨᒧᐢᑐᐢ, mâthi-mostos), is an Arctic hoofed mammal of the family Bovidae, noted for its thick coat and for the strong odor emitted by males during the seasonal rut, from which its name derives....
so you say eat @deft pewter ?
I know what you meant, atx. Just wanted to paint you as a cannibal.
I just said mono-diets are bad.
I've seen the questions he's tried to answer... I think his sanity is questionable for sure 😛
mono selfie?
That luncheon meat stuff is disgusting.
They do a version here called 'billy bear sausage':
Used to be given it most days for school packed lunch by my parents. I think it should be considered torture. Vile stuff.
Eh, it's better than SPAM
bologna is basically the same thing, just more evenly blended pink slurry before being shoved into casing.
Spam isn't as bad as I expected to be.
fried spam is the shit
Cold, just out of the tin, it is rather revolting
Loco moco is damn fine.
vienna sasuage i have lived on
mmm, potted meats
If I can't see the actual muscle fibres still, I don't consider it meat and won't eat it.
Mmmmm nallekorv @deft pewter
Real hams are great. Luncheon meat is chemical warfare.
Do you eat McDonalds?
You can see the muscle fibres in that 😉
Ground beef is fine. That puréed shit isn't.
don't eat the nuggets, then.
Is that even warmed up?
😂
Looks a little undercooked. I like rare but that's not even seen the pan.
Far too rare for my taste
Yeah, salty
From all the tears of misunderstood sharks
That is why the sea tastes salty
Whale is.... Different
Doesn't taste like any other meat I've eaten
Except seal
They are quite similar
No that is because of all the cod-cum
I am glad someone else went there 😂
I'm surprised atx needs to supplement his intake, tbh
@last cedar I guess you have seen these already
En kar fra sverige som har lagt til svensk tekst oppå en helt standard pinguepisode, eller deler av denne. Anbefales på det sterkeste!!
I piss myself every time though
There is a bunch of them
Hard to keep up
Still quick tho! I am 😂
I'm looking for advice on a USB stick that does both zigbee and zwave but I have no idea which channel to ask my questions without being told I'm in the wrong channel. Devices is for devices you connect TO, and zigbee and zwave have their own channels. What channel is the right one?
There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived
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☝️ The topics tell you.
@deft pewter sooo... Other?
If you can't work it out from reading topics 🤷♂️
I'm literally here trying to not ruffle feathers and that response is borderline toxic.
Pointing you at the information you seek is toxic? 🤣
"I read the instructions and I'm having a hard time"
"Read the instructions."
So... Yes?
please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived
Just... not #the-water-cooler
Maybe I'm being sensitive. If so, I'm sorry.
I read your "if you can't figure out out" comment as sarcasm.
Though... Your this reaction makes me think perhaps I was right in the first place
Get over yourself and go ask in another channel. There's no need for this drama.
I'm not trying to cause drama.
Then move along.
I will and hope you are not quite like this to others in real life as well.
Yikes... That went off the rails. He actually left the discord :/
Nah, they're busy typing over in #general-archived right now.
And if they hadn't jumped immediately to calling me toxic for pointing them at the topic, I might've been more inclined to help.
🤷♂️
I would have probably just suggested a couple channels, tbh
Would have ended it right there
Meh. I have less patience than you.
That was made clear.
Sometimes that leads to more back and forth than having a little patience 😛
Anyway. It's over. Let's leave it alone.
Can we get back to shitposting and random tech talk?
TBH I tend to avoid asking questions in this server because it feels like wherever I ask them, I'm told it's the wrong channel. Including when I've asked in other.
So I was trying to avoid that and obviously failed
@subtle pasture I've been on this server too long to leave over one person. 😑 I am still a "newbie" knowledge-wise but I've been using HA for years.
@chilly nymph just remember the sticks and stones saying and you can laugh right along with me
@dull chasm you are absolutely right. Just having a rough day. Had a death in the family and tbh probably should have just stayed away from discord.
sorry to hear that
Thanks. I'll be fine. Just a tough time of year for it, I guess. Not that any time of year if a good time for it.
@dull chasm I went looking at my mentions and saw that you've answered questions as far back as 2017 for me. So thank you for that.
np your welcome
only thing about apple products that is "interesting" is how they took something that was simple and easy for everyone else and twisted it and ruined it to make it a living nightmare for those trying to do the same stuff on the apple product
Oh idk, the new air is perfect for my mom who likes to do photo editing
howdy! i just got a homeassistant install going! looking forward to learning it more! lol
What does the Media Browser function do exactly? Play MP3s in the browser? What's the goal for that?
@last kiln I haven't found a use for the Media Browser feature either 🤷♀️
Just lets you play media from HomeAssistant's local storage (or mounted network share), but I have a NAS and a Plex server for that...
Well maybe if I can play Plex entries on an MPD instance
But the MPD integration kinda sucks
I mean, you can always run an MPD server side-by-side with Plex, monitoring the same folders
No reason I shouldn't be able to have an open-source SONOS. I mean come on, it's [current year].
That's exactly what I do, Leap
Plex also supports being a DLNA server, giving you another option for streaming media around the house
Right. Have you ever used Cantata? You can stream to and MPD instance any file on your local computer. It hosts its own little server.
Nah, I have yet to dive into open-source whole-home audio solutions
MPD does all my announcements, TTS, sound effects, doorbells, notifications, etc.
And I'm starting to run into the limitations on the HA side
Heh, hadn't considered using MPD to handle that
I have Echo's all over the house, so you can just ask Alexa to do that stuff
Yeah, but that needs the cloud.
Which negates the appeal of using an open-source solution.
It's like that Simpsons scene where Mr Burns goes through all the security doors to a room with a rickety screen door.
Yeah, but it's one I had easy access to 😛
Alexa doesn't work offline in-general, so a solution that works offline would require additional devices deployed into every room of the house.
And I don't particularly want to manage a fleet of Raspberry Pi's
I use virtual machines on UnRAID
All your home audio equipment wires back to your server rack?
Each virtual machine gets a USB sound card, and that USB sound card goes to a 12-channel amplifier.
Yeah, I don't have all my speakers run back to a central location
So it'd be an Echo and a Pi in every room to have both fully-featured Alexa and offline notifications. Blah...
If you have a weekend and $1400 I recommend it.
Oh, sorry this isn't the Las Vegas page
I just use HomeAssistant push notifications as a fallback, they work offline.
Honestly kinda preferring that over having a voice assistant nag at me for everything
It's on my phone, with all my other notifications, so it's something I'm already checking
And it took WAY less infrastructure to get working. lol
PDA? Did I just fall through a time warp into 2002?
Telephone? Did I just fall into a time warp into 1887?
Nobody said the complete word "telephone" except you 😛
I haven't heard anyone call a smartphone a PDA is many, many years. lol
Well if they don't have phono jacks they have no right being called phones
phono jacks are for phonographs and record players...
Which are surprisingly more popular than CDs in 2020. Go figure
Are the media functions of HA fairly new?
I tried HA in 2015 or so and it didn't work well, so sometime between then and now I suppose.
hello everyone
🤔
What, not a That 70's Show fan?
Not very
GIEF
So, what are the goals for HA on the high-level? More normie-friendly? More AI? More big-data? More audio-video? Block Programming?
Yes
I brought up block programming in 2016 and I got chased out with torches and pichforks
But it appears they're starting to distance themselves from YAML
Well, I will
I find UI stuff terrible
But there are a lot of deranged people out there
Well, maybe they shouldn't try to shoehorn a markup language into a scripting language
Is there a specific priority that they're trying to get to first?
Probably
Oh, OK thanks.
@last kiln Might want to try #developers, or maybe #general-archived
Lounge is kinda just for random non-HA chat
And whatever a current plan is, it is fluctuating and fluid
At best it is somewhat intentional
Yaml is pretty gross to script in
I should re setup appdaemon but that has it's own caveats
To be fair, YAML isn't scripting. YAML is a declaration.
But I get that not everyone is comfortable writing out a declaration and understanding how it'll be interpreted once it's parsed by HA.

I wouldn't call HA automations declarative
I wouldn't call you a cat, but here we are
But they are declarative. You declare triggers, conditions, actions. Your YAML isn't responsible for controlling the flow, therefore it's not a script.
The action blocks are definitely scripted
They're a list of declared actions 🤷♂️
Jinja is a templating engine. HA still has to interpret your declaration.
And you can call them what you want but that's just semantics. It helps people understand their purpose.
XLS, CSV, JSON... other ways to declare things that also aren't scripting languages.
The script integration allows users to specify a sequence of actions to be executed by Home Assistant.
'specify a sequence' sounds like declarations to me 🤷♂️
Integrations like python_script allow true scripting.
Sequence of actions is basically the textbook definiton of a script
A scripting or script language is a programming language for a special run-time environment that automates the execution of tasks
YAML doesn't execute anything.
I understand your perspective - you write something in YAML and something happens - but that misses the layers that actually do something.
JavaScript doesn't execute anything either?
But it does 🤣
JS is the engine and the stuff you write. YAML doesn't have an engine.
I mean the files
For your YAML to do anything, it has to be parsed by something else (in this case, HA) and then run in an environment (Python).
PHP... JavaScript... Ruby... they just run directly in that environment.
There's no intermediary step like there is with raw data files like JSON and YAML.
What would you 'run' your YAML with if you didn't have HA?
And yet you cared to disagree with me in the first place
It's okay to admit you're wrong.
In the context of Home assistant automations, writing them is scripting
That's completely true. Are you going to say typescript isn't scripting
TypeScript is a superset of JavaScript, which is a Turing-complete programming language.
Yes but you "can't run your typescript if you didn't have a transpiler and a javascript engine"
Transpiling is equivalent to compiling, only the target instruction set isn't as low-level. You're still writing something in a programming language.
What does YAML trans-/compile to?
Again... I get what you're trying to say. To a HA user, they don't have to know or care that YAML is just a set of declarations. But that doesn't change what it is.
If you think that an action block is declarative I can't help you
I'm leaving now. Have fun
Strictly speaking, most scripting languages are executed by an interpreter, not compiled
So compiling into something isn't really a requirement
This is true. Most things only care about having the correct runtime environment available, which is why I referenced environments earlier.
Hello guys, i need help but i didn't know what chanel can help me x) my problem is in the configuration.yaml 🙂
It is probably #integrations-archived then
Maybe, possibly.
Do also read the channel topics 😉
Here it says if you don't know, start in #general-archived 😉
Nah, we're not allowed to tell people to read topics 🤷♂️
okay thx
You shouldn't read the topic in any channel, it doesn't have useful information 😏
I know not everyone likes Disney's take on movies... but a lot of the new stuff they announced over the last week looks great.
Really looking forward to more Star Wars and Marvel.
I enjoy pretty much all their stuff - it's good entertainment
Heck, I'll go to the cinema (in the past, and when they're open again) to watch the animated ones too - even if it's just me and the wife 😄
Yeah, there's not been one I haven't enjoyed so far. The ending of Rogue One was a little disappointing but only because they didn't keep many characters around 😄
I liked that they weren't afraid to end it that way
The story itself made sense that way. But they did a great job with some of the characters and it's a shame they won't be seen again.
Chirrut, for example. I'd love to have seen more of him.
Yeah, but I think it makes it a better story that way - too many movies the heroes survive just because they're the heroes
I wonder if all these new movies will get the Mulan treatment too. They just announced that Raya will also be a 'Premiere Access' movie 🤢
Yeah, I don't really want to shell out for Disney+, but at this rate I may have to 😄
We have Prime, Netflix and Disney+ and I don't regret it... but it's so greedy that they want an extra $35 to see a movie in the first few months.
Yeah, I've got Prime because of all the stuff we get from Amazon anyway, and Netflix because so many things we both enjoy watching are there (well, ok, mostly me...)
I wouldn't cancel prime over it as we also do enough shopping there to justify the price, but Prime Video is starting to annoy me. It's a paid service and they've started putting unskippable ads at the beginning of shows/movies.
Paid or ads, fine. Both, fuck no.
Haven't experienced that, but we don't watch a lot on Prime
I don't remember seeing it on the first season but the second season of The Boys has it. Same with a couple of movies we've watched recently.
I think they've all been for other videos on Prime but that's beside the point. We pay for streaming to skip the extra crap.
Aye
It's also one of the reasons I pay for services and then torrent the same shows I have legitimate access to 🤣
🤣
Good thing I'm not the only one
Wait why am I downloading the mandalorian when I have Disney+
I'd rather have a HD copy locally and not have to worry about my internet going down.
Not usually... but why should I be without entertainment if it does?
My bed level wasn't as bad as I thought
Yaaaaaaas
Lol people are so ridiculous
"selling my 4k 28" with one dead pixel, two years old, and half price"
What a scoop
And one guy selling the same monitor without a power supply for the same price
Half price for a missing power supply. Nice deal.
Noice
And a few years old
Saw a guy selling a 6yo monitor for 40% off
What a deal
Yeah... not so much
@clear ferry Finally found a new house, we're in the process of buying it now. So I'll be able to ramp back into this. Only down side is it's "wired" with cat 5e. But the jacks are all daisy chained. So while there are 8 RJ45 jacks, there are only 2 drops. So that will be interesting to figure out the best resolution.
Also, based on the image above -- BLTouch? What kind of plate are you using? Magnetic?
Wtf
So you have a telephone setup
Or a rs485 setup
Glass and blt
Cat5e is good enough for 10G-BaseT though
Depending on distance
what is ESPHome and how does it work? Im looking at https://github.com/torrottum/ikea-ansluta-esphome and trying to figure it out how does it work. looks like it goes to custom_components folder in HA, but where is the actual bit which goes to D1
#diy-archived @nocturne aspen
It's a firmware for ESP-based devices.
Lets you easily set up sensors/switches and hook them into other systems like HA.
And... they have their own server if you want to ask about it.
ESPHome is a system to control your ESP8266/ESP32, with a native integration for Home Assistant.
You can find their documentation here, and get help with ESPHome itself here in the #diy-archived channel (#integrations-archived for the integration). They also have their own Discord server too.
@chilly nymph you need to re-punch everything. Hopefully you can salvage some of the runs. My advice is focus on really good WiFi unless you have construction opportunities for hard Runs. You can use some wireless protocol for almost everything.
@spice swan @clear ferry Yeah, bsaically. That's the plan. I'm trying to determine if I want to keep the two existing drops to the basement and just do a couple node networking closets, basically
Or if I want to run all the drops to the basement. Problem is, including the basement, it's basically a 4 story house. So that's going to be tough considering the drops are not in a conduit.
I did one drop from my garage to my attic, and do the rest inside the walls or going on the outside of the house
and yes @clear ferry it is wired like phone cables. But there are also RJ11 jacks for telephone. So the electrician that did the work was intending it to be for networking and just didn't know what they were doing. I tried to get the builder to fix it, but the builder is convinced it's not wrong. So I'll just have to deal with it
Hah.
I have 5 outside wall cables and three inside the crawl spaces in my attic, everything else is wireless or in my DC
@spice swan I prefer wired, if possible. But yes, I'm going to focus on wifi at the beginning. That said, it may not be too hard to do a "networking closet" on the second story, because all three rooms on that floor share one corner and I have a feeling that's where the runs go.
@clear ferry Sorry for having two conversations with you at once lol. Why is your glass bed warped like that?
I have an Ender 3 v2 with bltouch and mine bows a little bit in the middle but not like that
Probably because I have not fixed my manual leveling perfect yet, and I have tape on my bed
That could do it I guess. Where are your clips?
@chilly nymph I have a really big home network in a really small house. I work for a Networking security company and I have Labs I use for work. All the work stuff and media are all on Hard Runs. I have switches in my Office networking closet and switches in a rack in the garage where the Physical lab lives. all the rest of the hard runs are to the media-center switch, my desk switch, AP's and Cameras. I use Unifi for almost all of it.
Oh.
@spice swan this is what we have the garage DC for 🥳
I thought you meant you covered the bed with painters tape, which a lot of people do
Yeah, I hear you. I am much more of a fan of what you are doing than what I thought you were doing
@spice swan You use unifi in your house? lol
Unifi 🤢
@clear ferry Nice.
Octoprint?
integrates to HA nicely, same broadcom asic as cisco, super dependable for me.
And are those noctua fans?
