the-water-cooler

[subtle pasture]

Yeaaaah... that'll never happen in this house. lol

[tidal bronze]

I have no idea how the damn remote went missing.

[subtle pasture]

Harmony Elite with e-ink display when?

[tidal bronze]

Wife said she used it Sunday, got home Monday afternoon, no more elite.

[subtle pasture]

Harmony Elite with a beeper and a "find my remote" feature when?

lol

Those remotes are expensive enough, you'd think they'd include something like that

[tidal bronze]

I know, perhaps on the next one.

[subtle pasture]

an e-ink display might actually let the Elite last (nearly) as long as the basic remotes on a coin cell

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/tk6hXX0Wa68AAAAM/gps-child-tracker.gif

[subtle pasture]

Holds an image with no power draw, so the only thing that needs to be active is the touch matrix

[hushed basalt]

Wifi and Bluetooth on a coil cell?

[subtle pasture]

@hushed basalt The remote doesn't have wifi or bluetooth, the hub does

[hushed basalt]

Interesting

What do you do with these $500 remotes though

[tidal bronze]

Watch TV.

[subtle pasture]

hub + IoT remote. The hub connects to your wifi, has bluetooth, and has multiple IR blasters

The remote is just a simple RF remote that lasts 2+ years on a coin cell (in the case of the basic / IoT remotes)

[hushed basalt]

Doesn't your tv remote just CEC the rest of your gear

[subtle pasture]

I cannot control my Nvidia Shield via my TV remote over CEC, no.

Elite remote, with screen

[tidal bronze]

Haven't used a device remote for maybe 10 years.

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, these Harmony remotes replaced all my device remotes, end-to-end

[dusky plank]

i cannot hear your talk over my awesome KODI installation turning on and off stuff with scripts on these useless colorbuttons on my tv remote

[subtle pasture]

@dusky plank My shield can turn on the TV and switch the input to itself, that's about all the TV supports via CEC

Kodi can't fix that, lol

Older TV 🤷‍♀️

[tidal bronze]

I have CEC turned off on all devices. Simply does not work for my setup.

[subtle pasture]

This TV doesn't even have wifi unless I connect an additional wifi dongle to it, and the smart apps are useless now... so that dongle stays unplugged.

Harmony Hub controls it via IR

[tidal bronze]

CEC is surely good for guest room or kitchen TV. That's about it.

[subtle pasture]

Also annoying: When this TV is connected to WiFi, is resets its unique DLNA client identifier every time it restarts...

So anything around the house that detects DLNA clients on the network just starts slowly growing a list of old versions of this TV

Yeah, the wifi dongle stays unplugged...

[dusky plank]

I just bought a new tv and it came with 100mbit ethernet

[tidal bronze]

I am glad that all new AVRs let's you have granular control over CEC commands, even shield but it creates more headaches that it solves when you do custom activities.

[subtle pasture]

This ^

If the shield turns off the TV due to timeout, then the harmony hub ALSO tries to turn off the TV with a timeout, it turns the TV back on

[hushed basalt]

Declaration over procedural ftw

[subtle pasture]

So now the harmony hub thinks the TV is off when it's on, and things get weird...

[tidal bronze]

Yep.

[subtle pasture]

I turned off CEC for the same reason. lol

[hushed basalt]

The API for my tv is pretty good

[subtle pasture]

The Harmony Hub orchestrates everything perfectly

[tidal bronze]

They have come a long way.

[subtle pasture]

I don't think my TV has an API. I couldn't find a way to control it over wifi / ethernet...

[dusky plank]

you can turn off power control via cec and still use cec functionality on sony devices atleast...

[subtle pasture]

I did manage to break in and gain root on it, that was fun

[tidal bronze]

RTI would be my choice but wife loves the harmony navigation. So harmony it is.

[subtle pasture]

It doesn't sanitize its IR input, so if you have an IR blaster that you have a decent amount of control over... you can just spew shell commands at it

[hushed basalt]

IR injection attack lol

I miss having an IR blaster in my phone

[subtle pasture]

Pretty much. It uses a standard sequence at the beginning of all of its IR codes so the TV knows to start listening, and then accepts... anything

The only phone I ever had with a built-in IR blaster was my LG G3. Never got a chance to use it much...

Though apparently there are USB-C IR blaster add-ons for modern phones

[tidal bronze]

https://www.rticorp.com/t2i-universal-controller.html

[deft pewter]

Ooo, that remote looks cool. Aesthetically and functionally.

RF and Zigbee too?

Not on the Z2M supported devices list though 😢

[deft pewter]

If any of you like sci-fi shorts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKWB-MVJ4sQ

[hushed basalt]

See more Wiggles than I'd like nowadays
https://c.tenor.com/D5aTpHHuRWIAAAAM/finger-gun-bang-bang-bang.gif

And Bluey

[hushed basalt]

Anyone using dynamodb in production

Any thoughts/regrets?

[deft pewter]

Almost. Got a release coming up with it soon.

I absolutely hate developing for it.

[hushed basalt]

People seem to love it or hate it

[deft pewter]

They try to be too clever with coming up with an engine that's built around optimised queries... and it ends up so tedious trying to plan out schemas that support the actual queries you'll want to do.

And that of course assumes you understand all your needs when you define the schema. We all know projects evolve.

I haven't gotten around to watching it yet but they did some sessions at Re:invent on DynamoDB.

Still available on demand, registration is still open.

[hushed basalt]

You need a shitload of GSIs to do querying on attributes don't you?

Without scanning 🤢

[deft pewter]

Kinda... you can use FilterExpressions and stuff too. But depending on how many keys make up your primary index, you don't have a lot of wiggle room in your ConditionExpressions.

CE's accept only 1 or 2 attributes. No more.

[ember ibex]

Did some basics with it as a POC for a project a couple of years ago...I personally didn't enjoy it, and with the amount of data we were dealing with, SQL was just as usable.

[deft pewter]

Seems like a common pattern with DynamoDB is to have several document types in a single table too. If those documents have completely different fields, GSI's aren't going to work either since they don't have anything in common.

Some of the operations you can do with composite keys are kinda cool but IMO they don't make up for the lack of flexibility everywhere else.

[hushed basalt]

The cloud native consultancy here seems to love it,

Maybe they're seeing something I'm not

[deft pewter]

Course they do. You don't have to pay to provision a server.

That's so far the only benefit I can see.

[hushed basalt]

But provisioned capacity units are a lot cheaper aren't they?

[deft pewter]

You don't even have to provision those. You can pay as you go.

I mean that the 'cloud native' posse are going to rave about it simply for not needing to run on an EC2. Doesn't matter if it's crap, it fits with their vision of 'serverless'.

[hushed basalt]

RDS aurora is similar in a way though

Managed service, scalable on demand

[deft pewter]

But at least it uses a real query language.

Honestly... around 25% of my time on this project has just been faffing around trying to get simple things to work or coming up with workaround in code because the DB engine doesn't do what I need.

Of the 4 devs on my team, I'm one of two that have gotten to the point where we're able to understand what's going on when queries don't work the way we think they do.

Anyway, calling it a night. Take it easy.

[hushed basalt]

But it's 8.20am!

Night

[hushed basalt]

They advertise dynamodb as being flexible

But I'm not sure about the huge flexibility about the way people actually use it

Single table, GSIs etc

[last dirge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avaSdC0QOUM

[forest edge]

not as good as https://youtu.be/VLnWf1sQkjY

[hushed basalt]

@rare condor is your water usage tiered pricing

So the more kL you use the more expensive they are

[tropic hedge]

anyone got a good metal song to play for my Alexa, Hail Satan automation?

Well, in my searching I just discovered Nekrogoblikon, they're neat.

[summer hazel]

What's the over/under on tuya convert working with a Gosund that got activated on Gosund's app toward the end of November? Is any device that got registered going to have the new firmware and thus not be worth trying to run tuya convert?

[clear ferry]

Only way to know is to try

[summer hazel]

livin' on the edge

I'll try it with one once I get the setup going, worst case I turn a piece of garbage into a different type of garbage

Or maybe... if tuya convert fails and bricks it, will the physical wiring flashing of the device no longer work? Just how fucked is fucked if tuya convert fails?

[clear ferry]

Tuya convert is quite digital

either it works

or it doesn't

unless your server doing it fails

[clear ferry]

Wonder what a good way to do nginx for my internal servers would be, like, if I'm internal on my network, tell my opnsense to send requests for subdomain.internal to an internal nginx that will then pass it to the correct server, and I'll get rid of all the random ports nonsense

I should look into that when I'm done upgrading all these servers

[hushed basalt]

Can you just do it with dns

When I call a domain inside my network the dns record maps to the server directly

[clear ferry]

but then I still need the port

which I'm not terribly interested in

unless I just map the dns to the nginx

and that handles the port translation

[hushed basalt]

Are we talking web services or more?

Broad TCP or just HTTP?

I use traefik internally and just 443 for everything, with subdomains to route to applications

[clear ferry]

but do you use both internal and external dns names ?

people who join teams meetings with the mic inside their mouth

🤢

HELLO GUYS, CAN YOU CHCHHCHCHH HEAR ME DCHCHHCHHC

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/6fFsasSpaDcAAAAM/zayn-microphone.gif

I just use fully qualified domain names

That I own

So it's the same internally or externally if I have the port forward/firewall rule enabled

But if they werent external it wouldn't make a difference

[clear ferry]

yeah, I do external for all my externally facing services, but I have internal services that I will never expose externally so there are two (actually 4) different DNS domains

[hushed basalt]

Just use server hostnames and your search domain

[clear ferry]

but I want to send it through nginx to get rid of port mumbo jumbo

😛

[hushed basalt]

Do these services have their own ip addresses

[clear ferry]

some do, some are containers that share an ip

[hushed basalt]

You could use a subdomain on the hostname of your device with the nginx on it

Then just fqdn for the other services, and use their default ports

So subservice.core.domain.tld, service2.domain.tld

[clear ferry]

what I'm thinking will be the solution will be dns entries that point service.domain.internal to my nginx, that handles everything else

[hushed basalt]

You could even put service2.domain.tld behind the nginx if you wanted

Just depends if you want things to go through nginx if they don't need to

Like if you have a mqtt.domain.tld you probably just leave it on it's default port

And use it directly

[clear ferry]

yeah, that I will only do for services that I need to interact with on a often basis

mqtt is set and forget

so that is no issue

[hushed basalt]

Anything that's a backend service and has it's own ip I would just use it's fqdn and default ports

Anything that's logged into by 'users' I'd terminate with SSL and put behind nginx with subdomains and :443

and anything that doesn't have it's own ip but is a backend service I'd put behind nginx with it's default port on the nginx frontend,

if you use a real domain you own you can use HTTPS without having to worry about CA on your users end

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/o5uL.gif

[deft pewter]

Ah ah ah!

[clear ferry]

oh so great

now we can use additional emojis

no wait

https://tenor.com/8pOE.gif

[last plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doge-dogo-blink-wink-gif-11385524

[clear ferry]

mmmmm rebooting swithces remotely, that I am passing through to get into the customer network

my favorite

https://tenor.com/svGd.gif

[dusky plank]

centOS is ded

[silent drift]

There's a zwave emoji but no emoji for zigbee, the supperior choice 👀

[clever mortar]

🐝

[clear ferry]

I hope not @dusky plank

Oh actually it is

🤣

[last cedar]

Did the switch come back up?

[clear ferry]

I don't know, I haven'r rebooted it yet

and it's a stack of 6 switches

[last cedar]

Omg

[clear ferry]

https://centos.rip/

[hearty depot]

what happend?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/Icic.gif

[hearty depot]

I mean RH is expensive yes. nut did they changed licence further or whut now

[storm niche]

Hello Friends, Somebody needs a 20% coupon code for Switchbot orders? I dont want to order, but won a coupon code at "spin-the-wheel".

[last dirge]

@storm niche you could probably find someone to take it off your hands here https://discord.gg/Hkfqmj4X

[willow oxide]

@storm niche I just bought a switchbot and realised its no good without a hub. Have you still got it to offer?

[limpid wind]

I've never understood homekit, why would you want to use a platform that you can't change your Os choice because off

why would you intentionally lock yourself in, or even lock family members out using your smart home because they prefer android?

[last dirge]

because you drank that apple juice

[stable flint]

and dont forget about the cheese grater

[brisk glen]

@limpid wind but but.... I love my homepod minis

and they can run siri shortcuts on my phone

soooooo... HA works via homepod

I will keep drinking the apple juice that requires all devices to work locally without internet

[tame sand]

lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfd8RyAJh6c

Are you a functional component? Cause you've got me hooked ...

[clear ferry]

Are you a programming language?

Because I want to break you

Bitches don't know about my freehand leveling skills

[deft pewter]

Ender? I barely know 'er.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/roger-wink-roger-the-alien-alien-american-dad-gif-4886858

[subtle pasture]

@clear ferry Heh, I don't have automatic bed leveling on my printer either. I haven't been able to justify buying / mounting a probe when it holds level so well as-is...

[forest edge]

i love that i got my motion shit dialed down to the point where i average like 18 images in my backyard through 24 hours then one day when you get some small snow blowing in a breeze it jumps to 290 images

[tidal bronze]

It's 2020 are you still using pixel based motion?

[forest edge]

of course.. not all us can afford butler-approves-image motion capture

[tidal bronze]

Netflix should do a GTS version of Stranger Things

[subtle pasture]

Even pixel based motion should be able to handle rain/snow via a noise filter...

[forest edge]

apparently not when said snow is blown up close to the lens

[subtle pasture]

Otherwise you'd get thousands of images every night when the light level drops and the SNR of the sensor goes out the window

[tidal bronze]

Well at least there's something for @forest edge to do. Sorting through all the false positives. Ahh the perks of barn life

[forest edge]

keep talking your smack.. better false positives then a bunch of positives of fire creeping up or people robbing your neighborhood lol\

[tidal bronze]

Run frigate on your C64.

[forest edge]

that's atx

[tidal bronze]

Coral comes in cartridge format now.

[forest edge]

I have a pc now for dedicated ai detection, just haven't got around to doing it

[tidal bronze]

There you go.

[forest edge]

was messing with agent dvr for a couple of days

[subtle pasture]

Though I suppose it's probably using some pretty simple noise filtering...
Step 1: Gaussian blur image (define a radius here, as a function of pixels, to set sensitivity)
Step 2: Convert image to 1-bit (black and white)
Step 3: Count the number of white pixels vs. the number of black pixels
Step 4: if this number differs greatly from the number of the previous frame (or the average of the previous x frames), trigger motion alert.

So a blob of snow landing on the lens would set that off, for sure

[forest edge]

lol leapo you crack me up

[subtle pasture]

It's almost like I've had to set this up on my crab robot or something >_>

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge you should try out frigate. Better than on camera DSP body detection or NVR based detection. I've turned off all detection on cameras and NVR. Frigate is just next level.

[forest edge]

this? https://github.com/blakeblackshear/frigate

[tidal bronze]

Yep. Life changing.

Even all the PIR sensors are just idling now.

[subtle pasture]

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1677703

The frame I printed for my crabby boi ^

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze that looks to be installed with HA as a docker

not something that can be standalone

[tidal bronze]

I am running on docker standalone. Mqtt > HA.

[forest edge]

what you using for your nvr?

[tidal bronze]

HIK

[forest edge]

course you would use some enterprise thing lol

[subtle pasture]

@forest edge They have installation instructions for HassOS, as well: https://github.com/blakeblackshear/frigate#installing

So you don't need to do Docker from scratch

[forest edge]

I would have to do it standalone not under hassos

[subtle pasture]

Ah, then have fun installing Docker 😛

[tidal bronze]

Run standalone docker. You can start without coral.

[forest edge]

docker isn't hard

[tidal bronze]

You can thank me later 🤣

[forest edge]

I wonder tho.. if it could be fine on a rpi4 with a coral usb stick lol

[tidal bronze]

I think some run on rpi.

[forest edge]

does it trigger on rabbits quad?

cause I have cats around here i like to capture so if it ignores animals that small it's worthless to me lol

[tidal bronze]

Not yet. Just dogs and people.

[forest edge]

i'll give it a shot

[subtle pasture]

The Coral stick will basically take on all of the load, so... if you have that add-on, a Pi should be fine

Just make sure you plug it into a USB 3.0 port

[clear ferry]

I should buy one

[tidal bronze]

Do some research on pi USB max draw. Coral needs some power to run properly.

[subtle pasture]

1.2 amps (6 watts) max total USB peripheral current draw for the Pi 4B

https://coral.ai/docs/accelerator/datasheet/

The Coral datasheet explicitly says it works on the Pi 3B+ and 4B

It pays to read the documentation, lol

[tidal bronze]

Read an issue with power consumption on pi. Don't know the validity. Just thought I would mention. Don't use pi anymore

[subtle pasture]

This datasheet is actually... rather extensive. They even have drop tests, ESD ratings, etc.

[tidal bronze]

If life worked according to datasheets lmao.

[forest edge]

my rpi is already powering a sata drive so i'l likely need a powered hub lol

it would be cool to keep the nvr on my rpi

but then i would have this i7 sitting here doing nothing

[subtle pasture]

Ah, here we go. For the Coral USB stick "500mA required. 900mA required if running at maximum speed"

There's a switch you can flip in the stick's settings to un-throttle it, but 900mA of current capacity is required for that

It's probably throttled by default so it won't overload USB 2.0 ports

[forest edge]

it's c

so it's 3.0

[subtle pasture]

I'm aware, it supports being connected to USB 2.0 ports

[forest edge]

that would be crazy dumb lol

[subtle pasture]

Which is all the Pi 3B+ (also explicitly mentioned in the documentation) has to offer

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge test on the i7

[subtle pasture]

So it must work in USB 2.0 mode 😛

[forest edge]

well the i7 can handle the cpu load of ai detection

without coral

[tidal bronze]

What camera/s?

[forest edge]

unless you had a butt ton of cameras

[deft pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-butt-slap-gif-9704814

Did someone say butt?

[tidal bronze]

I am running 16

[forest edge]

tinker runs dood on an i5 on a handful of cameras just fine

[tidal bronze]

2 corals

[subtle pasture]

16 cameras for a home, or an office?

That seems like a lot for a home

[forest edge]

thats just his shed

gotta keep that lawnmower he never used safe

mowing sand.. pssh.. crazy cali's

[subtle pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/forest-gump-mowing-relaxation-gif-11997400

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge run it already. Procrastinating all day.

[subtle pasture]

There goes Tom Hanks, earning $65 Million, in part, for operating a riding lawnmower for 5 minutes...

[forest edge]

buys a new lawnmower every 2 years and his ebay listing states.. new lawnmower, never used and comes with an inch fo dust

pssh i don't work on this stuff during the day

this is what i do in the middle of the night between harassing atx lol

[tidal bronze]

Copy that.

[forest edge]

and apparently chantex makes you not sleep lol

[tidal bronze]

@subtle pasture that's not a great example. Next you will tell me earning $65 million and drives a prius LOL. Yes during daytime. 😅

I tried Chantex but didn't go well. Gotta try it again.

[forest edge]

yea well it makes me stay up for 30 hours and sleepm for 12

doctor said can give you strange dreams.. never mentioned the 30 hours awake part being the cause

[tidal bronze]

Dreams was my issue. Drove me nuts.

[forest edge]

I don't dream

so that part is nothing to me lol

[tidal bronze]

I don't but with this crap it was never ending.

[forest edge]

told the girl if I wake up screaming to ignore it cause I certianly wouldn't know wtf it was about lol

what did you dream about? working at a 7 eleven?

[tidal bronze]

That and coffins and shit.

[forest edge]

being that dude who has to serve the lady who cuts a hole out of the middle of her mask so she can breathe easier?

coffins.. wtf lol

[tidal bronze]

Yep crazy stuff. I quit after few days.

But want to give it another go

[forest edge]

well hell the first 3 are just one pill then it goes to two

then after the first week it steps up to a higher dose lol

[tidal bronze]

Oh boy.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-3519610

[tidal bronze]

I blame data sheets. If things worked according to data sheets I would've gone cold turkey long time ago. 😆

[forest edge]

meh

everyone in my family has smoked.. not one of them died from it or it being the cause of something else

hell my grandfather smoked pipe till close to 100 lol

course our food is alot more processed now and the air not as clean as it was for them throgh thier years

[tidal bronze]

I guess living with spiders and it's perks.

[forest edge]

so smoking a tiny cig will kill us lol

[tidal bronze]

Unfortunately rabbits don't prolong your life

[forest edge]

the average person swallows a spider atleast once a day

[spark orchid]

I used vaping to quit smoking, now I vape more than I ever smoked 😂

[deft pewter]

Don't even need Mythbusters to disprove that one. That's nonsense.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-people-swallow-8-spiders-a-year-while-they-sleep1/#:~:text=Luckily for all of us,end up in your mouth.

Seriously. Some of the crap people believe... 🤦‍♂️

[spark orchid]

https://www.britannica.com/story/do-we-really-swallow-spiders-in-our-sleep

[spring talon]

Hello, I'm 99% sure I'm asking in the wrong place but I thought I better ask in a general incorrect place than a specific incorrect place - I'm having trouble with renaming a lightbulb in configuration.yaml - can someone point me towards the correct channel? Sorry to interrupt the non-tech chat

[spark orchid]

lol, mono and I are basically snopes

[deft pewter]

The topic tells you where to go, @spring talon. Please get used to reading them.

It's not even a convincing myth. It's clearly the kind of lie that's spread to creep people out.

OMG, did I eat a spider last night?! 😢

[spring talon]

ok sorry

[deft pewter]

I think I ate fewer than 8 flies a year even when I cycled a lot 🤷‍♂️

[spark orchid]

I had someone argue with me that they read it in the journal Science. I took them to the website for the publication and asked them to show me

They said "nevermind"

[deft pewter]

I'm kinda impressed someone that stupid knows what a journal is.

[spark orchid]

I think some folks feel like without urban legends society collapses

[clever mortar]

.topic @spring talon (in case you didn't see it at the top of the window)

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

@spring talon There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived

No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

Remember when reporting spam to include a screenshot of the spam and the user's handle (eg @spammer#123)

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[forest edge]

it was a joke from old saying lol

kids these days..

[deft pewter]

Well 'these days' it's hard to tell whether someone's joking or just plain dumb. I'm happy to accept you were joking but most other people...?

C'mon, there are people that think 5G caused Corona...

[clever mortar]

Can we just pretend that conspiracy theorists are from a different reality?

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived

No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

Remember when reporting spam to include a screenshot of the spam and the user's handle (eg @spammer#123)

Command '.topic' was invoked by: omgnvq

[deft pewter]

Only if they agree to return there, Tinkerer 😄

[forest edge]

@deft pewter how do you know that in some parts of the world it is actually common to swallow a spider once a day?

[spring talon]

thank you @clever mortar

[clever mortar]

You can read the topic at the top of the window @spring talon 😉

[forest edge]

just saying

most sayings do come from partial truths

[deft pewter]

Spiders are pretty much the same all round the world. They have the same instincts. They ain't about to crawl up in anyone's mouth.

[spark orchid]

The article I linked explains why it would be unlikely to swallow a spider in your lifetime

[deft pewter]

Spiders like dry places. They hate strong vibrations.

[forest edge]

well they infact have crawled into some people mouths lol

[deft pewter]

Proof?

[spark orchid]

• also cool places, which the interior of my mouth is not

[forest edge]

like i said, all saying come from partial truths

[deft pewter]

Bull. Anyone can make up a baseless lie and have it become a rumour/meme/whatever.

[forest edge]

maybe in today's world but that shit is old school

[spark orchid]

I, in fact, am a baseless lie

[deft pewter]

Old school? It's a lie from the 90's. Not that old.

[forest edge]

it predates the 90's lol

[deft pewter]

Ya huh

[forest edge]

like that saying about bed nets and ants killing you in the night

[deft pewter]

In other news, Everest grew by 3 feet. Hurrah.

[forest edge]

that shit is from wild west days

[deft pewter]

Ah, the wild west. Totally not a romanticised era full of tall tales.

[tidal bronze]

@deft pewter do you know in which direction?

[deft pewter]

Up

[tidal bronze]

oh ok.

[deft pewter]

The most recent survey puts it at 3 feet taller than the previous one.

[forest edge]

you sure it's up? maybe the earth sank around it

[deft pewter]

🤔

[spark orchid]

They took an average of sea level from many locations and recalculated the elevation. The science behind the math is actually pretty interesting

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge so you saying the control monument sank?

[deft pewter]

Yeah, most things are based on height above mean sea level.

Gotta account for tides.

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze i'm saying lord of the rings is documentary

[tidal bronze]

Makes perfect sense then.

[forest edge]

i know right

[spark orchid]

Everyone who has climbed Everest prior needs to do it again now, lest the young bucks get 3ft higher

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-lord-of-the-rings-snow-frodo-hobbits-gif-14796469

[tidal bronze]

Ah with the measuring stick as well.

[forest edge]

the mountain giants had to shift from bed sores.. thus = 3ft taller

i love that you cannot find a single c7 blinking bulb to purchase at any store these days

lets buy a package of 25 off amzon when we just need one

[tidal bronze]

🤔

[forest edge]

🤔 indeed

[deft pewter]

Kansas City isn't in Kansas? You guys are batshit.

[tidal bronze]

Shhhhh GTS is trying to cover his tracks.

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/IJL9M5uAJSc

technically there is a kcmo and kcks

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/carryonmywaywardson-supernatural-kansas-gif-4730068

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/edmogaming-edmo-meanwhile-in-norway-gif-18399818

[clear ferry]

I wish

There is no snow here now

[deft pewter]

You moved south?

[forest edge]

global warming

pretty soon you'll be posting temps @tidal bronze always posts and he'll be posting temps i post lol

[deft pewter]

There was a news article recently warning that the UK probably won't see snow in the future except for some of our higher peaks.

Winters are definitely getting warmer 😦

[clear ferry]

Had to shovel my driveway twice a day 12 years ago

Last few years, not so much

[forest edge]

yup, hope you like au temps.. you goofy bastards gonna look weird wearing shorts and short sleeves

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-pants-pants-short-shorts-flash-butt-gif-12764709

[forest edge]

cept more hairy

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2013/09/rising-seas-ice-melt-new-shoreline-maps/

i'll still be here lol

won't be far drive to the lbeach tho yay!!

[deft pewter]

Looks like I get to move nearer to the beach too.

[tropic hedge]

Looks like I'm dead

my current elevation is 7

[deft pewter]

Inches?

Furlongs?

[tropic hedge]

feet

[deft pewter]

Yeah, 7 feet is gonna be submerged during our lifetimes 😐

[tropic hedge]

so I shouldn't build that garage I'm working on?

[deft pewter]

219ft elevation here. I'm good.

[tropic hedge]

that's quite the missippippi river delta in that pic

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/magazine/rights-exempt/2013/09/rising-seas/01-ice-melt-north-america.adapt.1900.1.jpg

Going to miss New Orlean, neat place.

[clear ferry]

My house is 254m above sea level

I'll be fine

[deft pewter]

Still not as tall as the bridge you live under.

[tropic hedge]

hah. Nice one

[forest edge]

I would actually kind of like to see it transpire but unfortunately i won't be around for it 😢

[clear ferry]

I'm amazed you aren't dead yet

[forest edge]

same to you pal

[clear ferry]

With the average age of a morbidly obese American

https://tenor.com/view/hug-virtual-hug-hug-sent-gif-5026057

[forest edge]

nothing compared to your average death rate to eletrical fire

[clear ferry]

You are assuming we have electricity

https://tenor.com/view/no-nooo-nope-eat-fingerwag-gif-4880183

[forest edge]

it's still electricity even if the source comes from making your wife pedal a generator bike all day

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/5k539uu3w6461.png

Blaine is a pain

[forest edge]

I would laugh at that but if they ever built that hyperloop here it would be basically the same scenery lol

[last plaza]

@clear ferry that picture must be from the 80s. Who reads news papers these days? 🤣 Same people will be taking selfie’s and reading on their mobile phones in today’s world.

[last plaza]

Virtual scenery

[clear ferry]

Swiss people are weird

[forest edge]

alot of people still like to read the paper

[limber pine]

Smartthings v3 vs Hubitat? I was sold on Smartthings until stock seemed low and then I heard they were getting out of the hub biz. Hubitat is more expensive and sounds like it still has kinks to work out but it is pure local. Even hubitat is out of stock. Any other options for my zwave schlage locks?

[clear ferry]

That's a no from me, for all propitary hubs, and smart locks

[deft pewter]

Yeah... hubs are 🤢

And I wouldn't trust myself to set up a secure system with locks 😄

[clear ferry]

I wouldn't trust a smart lock

[deft pewter]

As many others have said before, locks are just a deterrent. Most people wouldn't hack your lock to get in, they'll just smash a window.

But I wouldn't want it randomly unlocking when I screw something up 😄

[subtle pasture]

I still want a smart lock that's status-only...

or status + remote lock, with gearing that makes it physically incapable of unlocking the door on its own.

[forest edge]

status is easy

reed switch and done

[subtle pasture]

It should be, but nobody makes a status-only add-on for existing locks...

Yeah, you can DIY it

But something purpose-built would be nice

[deft pewter]

Yeah, I remember the trash panda had suggestions.

[forest edge]

no one will make a status only lock

or some enterprise solution

[deft pewter]

Unfortunately, you're probably right.

The marketable thing is the lock that does something.

[subtle pasture]

Except I explicitly don't want a remotely-unlockable lock. lol

[deft pewter]

I get that

It just makes it less likely anyone will produce one

[subtle pasture]

I suppose I could always get an August lock, and 3D print a custom post connector that slips in one direction, but not the other

They literally just need to include a few extra bits of injection-molded plastic in the box to make that a default feature >_>

Actually... that wouldn't work. You wouldn't be able to un-deadbolt the door from the inside

[deft pewter]

That's fine, just don't have any fires.

[forest edge]

why not just get commercial grade store lock that is always locked. can open from one side but always need a key to open from the other

that way you know the status lol

[deft pewter]

Haha... wtf is this? https://twitter.com/Nash076/status/1336697329617920008

[forest edge]

what you talking about? all commercials on that side of the planet are like that

granted i'm a little surprised they toned it down some.. I would have expected some incest mother and son plot leading to a cola being poured but I guess maybe that just means some improvment is being made

[forest edge]

harbor freight selling geeni stuff for cheap.. i wonder if those still have the esp8266's in them

hmm according to the tasmota listings it states they do!

@scenic radish hope you got a harbor freight nearby lol

[velvet horizon]

Tediore is away for 19d 9h 35m 26s with a message :point_right: 🤏

[forest edge]

lol 19 days.. holy hell

[last plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-crying-tears-sad-emotional-gif-15881815

[static schooner]

getting married or something

[last plaza]

Or something for sure! 😝

[subtle pasture]

Just bought a Valve Index 👀

Time for VR shenanigans

[last plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/yawnface-gif-4425271

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/community-dean-vr-i-cant-do-anything-funny-gif-12608557

[last plaza]

@subtle pasture let us know how that goes. Maybe I’ll look into it in the spring time. Got to do some research before then@on the possibilities.

[forest edge]

@last plaza alittle VR while on the bike huh?

[subtle pasture]

Heh, I got the wholesome responses here, and the lewd ones from my coworkers. Go figure...

First thing I get asked by coworkers: "Wait... is there VR porn?"

3 different people inquired after I mentioned dropping a G on this headset. lol

[forest edge]

meh i heard VR porn is not all that great

when VR first came out porn was like this huge thing people wondered about

but then flopped lol

[subtle pasture]

I feel like there are more comfortable ways to view porn than with a headset stuck to your face

[forest edge]

i don't think VR in general took off like they thought it would

[subtle pasture]

We'll see. It feels like games really need to be built with VR in mind, it's not something that bolts-on to existing games very well

The Index comes with a free copy of Half Life: Alyx, which is VR-only, so we'll see how that works

[forest edge]

VR has a crap ton of games built just for VR

it's just between price and what you actually experince.. doesn't quite match up for lasting

[subtle pasture]

Fair. This was the price of a rather nice ultrawide computer monitor

Which I'd also considered, but it's hard to justify replacing three perfectly good flat panels...

I'll join the 144Hz FreeSync / G-Sync master race someday

[last plaza]

@forest edge LOL. No bike ride until next summer unfortunately. Weather is sub zero here with snow on the ground already.

[last plaza]

I know the feeling - that’s exactly the type of questions I was asked when I got a 3D printer.

I tell people to get their mind out of gutter and know the reality.

[tropic hedge]

what?!? vr porn is amazing. When it first came out it was terrible for a good year or two, then it became kinda interesting, and now it's hit amazing levels

but yah, VR isn't quite the revolution it was made out to be except in sims and some other niches

that said, welcome to the club Leapo, you'll love it. Make sure you check out Google Earth VR. It will bring a tear to your eye (or make you puke, or both)

[subtle pasture]

lol

I don't get motion sick, so I should be good

Like, I can read a book in the passenger seat of a car and be ok

@last plaza I mean, in the case of 3D printers... there are a few more steps involved, but they're not bad for prototyping 👀

Print positive, sand/finish, cast negative mold, cast positive silicone part from mold

Which is a bit more work than "print and use immediately," but not terrible in the grand scheme of things

[green inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-laugh-lmao-gif-9271200

[subtle pasture]

Know something you CAN print and use immediately? Fidget toys https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2848678

I printed a stack of them with rainbow filament :3

@green inlet y'all alright over there? lol

[tropic hedge]

oh, and Elite Dangerous is also a great thing to check out on the Index

[subtle pasture]

That, and Star Wars: Squadrons 👀

[tropic hedge]

damn I forgot that existed!

I haven't tried it yet and I've been off work. I'll give it a shot tomorrow

[green inlet]

You are one of my favs @subtle pasture 👍🏻

[subtle pasture]

Flying an X-Wing or a Tie Fighter in VR? Sign me up!

[tropic hedge]

heck yah

[green inlet]

I mean, you just went through the 4 step process to make your own dildo

[subtle pasture]

I own a 3D printer, I am prepared for this discussion

@last plaza knows what I mean

[green inlet]

I think you covered it 😉

And I love it

I heard Microsoft flight simulator is leaps and bounds better than it used to be. I am not a gamer but I think that would be super cool in VR

I mean, in the cockpit of a 757

[tropic hedge]

they're testing VR for it now, but only for HP headsets I think. It will come to all the VR platforms later. I can't wait.

The newest flight simulator is beyond what I could have ever imagined

[green inlet]

HP 🤢

[tropic hedge]

yuup

I think it's because their headsets are compatible with Windows Mixed Reality which is MS's failing VR initiative

[last plaza]

@subtle pasture I printed something called Kobayashi fidget cube. It looks the same, bu my an easy print. Kids loved it.

[subtle pasture]

@tropic elk Heh, I've tried that one as well. Easy to print, but I like these smooth/rounded ones better

[fathom fulcrum]

Not sure where to post this, but I just finished updating my config from 0.113 to 0.118 and this was a breeze. I have been using HA since like 0.30 and the last time I skipped so many versions... well it was painful 😂 Now HA booted perfectly and breaking changes only impacted the relevant sub modules with very clear log messages. Also, the new script & automation features are amazing! Can't wait to go over my configs again and experiment with the blueprint! 😄

[forest edge]

any support questions you may have you are probably best DM'ing @deft pewter

[tidal bronze]

🤣

[barren hound]

I was going through some old gear to clean out how much I actually move into the new house. Found my old netbook that ran MisterHouse and the X10 serial dongle. That feels so archaic compared to modern home automation systems/protocols

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry do you know how much people in Norwatizstan get for having allergies

[forest edge]

as money?

[last dirge]

@barren hound I never got MisterHouse working worth a damn

[forest edge]

the only thing i had automation wise prior to HA was one of those timer plug ins

[night zodiac]

I had a Java app that ran on an old phone

https://sites.google.com/site/mppsuite/wemo manager this

Fucked url

Oh well, on phone

[barren hound]

MisterHouse was such a pain to get working (mmm, perl). Then I ran DomotiGa for a while, then tried openHab, before settling on Home Assistant.

discord's reply function is so annoying. selected @last dirge

[ashen kayak]

Tried OpenHab, got sucked into the Wyze sinkhole...then made my way to HA

[storm summit]

MisterHouse? that be dead.

[forest edge]

how did openhab suck you into the wyze sinkhole?

holy shit they say the northen lights will be visible to people in michigan this week. that be really cool

[storm summit]

whoa

i've never seen them. probably never will.i got as far north as bergen once.

[stable flint]

do you know how fardown? im in northern indiana

[ashen kayak]

openhab was hard and wyze was easy, until i figured out it was only wyze with horrible sensors

saw the northen lights once in WI. Crazy to see

[forest edge]

@stable flint no i do not, they just said Michigan and this week only

[ashen kayak]

@stable flint go outside and look up?

[stable flint]

sadly no aura

[hushed basalt]

@forest edge yes as money

[ashen kayak]

What part of Indiana, I spent a few months in Valpo

[ashen kayak]

Northern light must have cut out @stable flint internet connection

[clear ferry]

You mean 3-4 weeks of paid treatment in hot climate per year? The parents can get paid to stay home with Sick children?or Food allergy sufferers that get $4500 per year to cover more expensive food? Or State covered ointments or airway treatments and medication or anything else?

[ashen kayak]

Sounds easy for a smaller economy

@clear ferry

[umbral yew]

howdy

I'm a dumbass n00b

[ashen kayak]

cool

[umbral yew]

installed a stock debian & rolled the superviser script

of course started installing everything & the kitchen sink

now I got a 404

(I learn by scrwing up)

[tropic hedge]

head down to the #330944238910963714 channel

[umbral yew]

cheers, @tropic hedge

[clear ferry]

@ashen kayak yeah, we are only 5 million people, we'll be fine

oh we are actually closer to 5.5 million now

interesting, we are almost the same number of people as denmark and finland now

and finland has 50% more covid deaths than us

and denmark has 250% more

and sweden has... a lot

actually 1900% more than us

[clever mortar]

You're saying that either you're all better at following rules, or all more anti-social 🤔

[last cedar]

No, they are saying that they are not morons like the Swedes

Our restrictions have never been enforced, but a "recommendation"

Which is why we have over 7000 dead, because everyone has the "not me" attitude

Thry have had to make the vaccine for countries like Sweden

[tropic hedge]

us americans just over here keeping quiet

[tropic oak]

i had to run some errands today and i'd say about 50% of people were dick-nosing

[tropic hedge]

haha, I've only seen a few of those

I actually saw an anti masker the other day for only the second time in the whole pandemic

[tropic oak]

lucky!

[tropic hedge]

well, not that lucky, I'm still getting over having covid myself

(wasn't bad in my case)

[tropic oak]

nice, that's good

[tropic hedge]

and I managed to score probably permanent work-from-home from it

[tropic oak]

nice. i had to pull some major strings to get to working fully remote a few years back, but im glad this has made a lot of places much more open to it.

[tropic hedge]

yah, offices suck

[last cedar]

I love fixing stuff, couldn't work office work or from home. No discipline 😂

[tropic hedge]

you work in the field?

[last cedar]

Go to schools and such mainly and repair faults. Everyone looks at me funny when I turn up with a mask on.

[tropic hedge]

they look at you funny for wearing a mask? Is it that bad?

[last cedar]

Yes. Alarm, door entry and camera systems. Mainly service, instead of installation

Well yeah, IMO

I don't get why more people don't wear masks

[tropic hedge]

oh damn that sucks

[last cedar]

My mask is less effective because no one else is wearing

I don't wanna get sick. But 99% don't care

Which is why we have 7000 dead

But yeah, I have to work in the field, love it.

I have 2 small installations actually. Moving alarm system over to door entry system (integrated system)

And a camera job with 15 outside and 32 inside just after new years

Should be fun!

[tropic hedge]

part of it sounds really fun, but if there's one thing worse than terminating a bunch of CAT6 it's terminating a bunch of CAT6 while standing on a ladder

[last cedar]

Not that bad :D

I think they are installig outlets for us, so just plug in patch cables in the outlet/ patch panel

think

And then they will be put into the municipalities milestone system

Need to get rid of some smaller orders first :)

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry the Food allergy sufferers one

$4500 was what I thought it was,

What's it called, I couldn't find anything googling in english.

[forest edge]

what kind of country pays people for allergies unless said country somehow gave it them lol

[clear ferry]

Grunnstønad skal dekke nødvendige ekstrautgifter på grunn av varig skade, sykdom, funksjonshemning eller medfødte funksjonsnedsettelser.

[deft pewter]

Is that the short name?

[clear ferry]

Mönø

[forest edge]

just realized the hwaccel encoders for the rpi are not in the ffmpeg that comes with the HA image.. that or it's borked all to hell in the 64 version

[clear ferry]

🤢

[dusky plank]

seems like it https://github.com/raspberrypi/Raspberry-Pi-OS-64bit/issues/98

[forest edge]

ew

[stable flint]

lol no i was fine

although im still surprised

and we have like a 2mbps dsl connection ☠️

[sand dragon]

I have an issue creating an entity using a filter, in which channel could I mention this?

[clever mortar]

Nobody reads the channel topic 🤷

You'd want to start in this case in #integrations-archived though

[stable flint]

yes

https://discord.gg/aNDhWPbh

oops

i prbably shouldnt have put that here

loll

ikr

np

haha thanks

and oddly enough it had to be on my birthday you said that 🤔

how'd you know???

lol

thank you

yessireee

thats why the esp board is so popular in this community

remote control (which means automation) and ota updates as well!

it depends on what you want to do

what is something that you'd like to automate

[clever mortar]

I'd suggest asking on their Discord, or over in #diy-archived 😉

[stable flint]

lets move to #integrations-archived

i got you tinkerer 🤣

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived

No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

Remember when reporting spam to include a screenshot of the spam and the user's handle (eg @spammer#123)

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Kerta1n

[clear ferry]

nice, how is life in 2002 ?

[stable flint]

lol ikr

[orchid rose]

Hope it's at least limited so you can't download too much with such speed

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/Ya9L.gif

hashtag that feeling when you have to reboot close to a thousand nodes and other stuff with 400-600 day uptime

https://tenor.com/svGd.gif

[night zodiac]

good luck

[vivid timber]

Ok, not sure what section to ask this in. My instance of HA has a memory leak. It's running on a linux box in a venv. It is ok for about 24h, but then has eaten enough memory the box grinds to a halt.

So, where to go ask for help?

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived

No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

Remember when reporting spam to include a screenshot of the spam and the user's handle (eg @spammer#123)

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[clever mortar]

If you're not sure, you should have gone to #general-archived 😉

In your case, if it's venv, see #551864459891703809 to start with

[vivid timber]

Fair 'nough. 🙂

[clever mortar]

99% likely it's related to a custom component or card

[vivid timber]

Thank you.

[night zodiac]

I wonder what poor sucker I can get to take my collection of wemo outlets. maybe my dad or my brother.

[umbral yew]

hey folks

I'm just getting into HA.
I have a few deprecated embedded devices I can use - stuff like OpenWRT boxes, etc

wondering if i can't set some up as presence-detection nodes

load OpenWRT, pop on a USB bluetooth or ESP32, and use them to detect presence. maybe triangulate more precise location?

[dire nimbus]

Hey, how does one achieve padawan?

[deft pewter]

By not asking for it.

Roles are given to people that have demonstrated their knowledge and supported others. Even then, they're not to be expected - they have a habit of being assigned when you least expect it.

[gloomy kite]

my bride is about to hurl our deebot out the window, so i've gotta come up with a different replacement. I'm eyeing either the 360 s9 or the roborock s5 max

my only requirement is being able to root it. I know the s5 max is either rooted, or nearly so

[orchid rose]

Or they spam enough moonspeak in #the-water-cooler, that's how I got mine

[gloomy kite]

but I havn't seen anything on the 360 line of robot vacuums

[orchid rose]

#hardware-archived would probably be more appropriate

[gloomy kite]

probably. but that seems more focused on supported devices within hass already.

[orchid rose]

I've seen it in both, but there's less of a chance for it to disappear there under random gif spam

[clever mortar]

If the boxes are capable, you could run either Room Assistant (triangulation) or Monitor (home/away) on them - #general-archived would be a good spot to discuss if you need help

[sand agate]

Did anyone see that Nest apparently integrates with samsung smart things now?

@gloomy kite I have the roborock s6 and with some of HACS additions make rooting pretty unnecessary IMO

[gloomy kite]

@sand agate I know the integrations are great, I just don't like it leaking out into the wilds

now, if there are local only APIs, thats a different story and I'll just firewall it off

[subtle pasture]

@gloomy kite I have a Roborock S4 Max (Same vacuum as the S5 Max, just with no mopping feature). Neither the S4 Max or the S5 Max can be rooted, and a recent firmware update locked both models to the new Roborock app, which uses a rolling API key, making it impossible to integrate with HomeAssistant for more than 24 hours

The old Mi Home app will not pair to the S4 Max or S5 Max with the latest firmware, so that's out...

[gloomy kite]

It looks like there is effort to root them

[subtle pasture]

Linky? I didn't find anything promising, lol

[gloomy kite]

https://github.com/dgiese/dustcloud/issues/213

[last cedar]

@subtle pasture omg that is mega sneaky!

I would be very angry

[deft pewter]

I don't get all these companies locking down firmware to block local access. They must realise they'll sell fewer items if us home automation enthusiasts don't want them.

[gloomy kite]

its the same issue you have in the car world

[deft pewter]

TP-Link backed down after enough complaints 😄

[gloomy kite]

for every station wagon you sell, its a dozen SUVs at least

camrys beat miatas like 50 to 1

[subtle pasture]

I made a super-cheap work-around using the Alexa skill. lol

[gloomy kite]

i have no alexas, nor any desire to

[subtle pasture]

HomeAssistant card that just tells Alexa what to do with the Roborock skill

[gloomy kite]

my whole thing is trying to stay self hosted

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, well, when there's no other option...

[gloomy kite]

there's always another option

[subtle pasture]

So far, I have yet to find one with the S4 Max

[gloomy kite]

its "write your own firmware"

[subtle pasture]

lol...

[deft pewter]

Well the other option would be 'not an S4 Max'

[subtle pasture]

@deft pewter True, I'd basically be stuck with Roomba-brand vacuums at that point

Or much older Roborock vacuums

[gloomy kite]

or figure out how to intercept the traffic

i just want something with lidar and multi-floor support (meaning different levels of a house)

[subtle pasture]

@gloomy kite It would be cheaper to just buy a Roomba. lol

[gloomy kite]

i've done that. my roomba doesn't feel like charging half the time, and so is useless

[subtle pasture]

I value my time highly enough to not want to bother PERSONALLY reverse engineering some Chinese vacuum cleaner firmware

[gloomy kite]

i write firmware for a living, so its less of a stretch for me

especially when they're already known to run linux

[subtle pasture]

Oh, I didn't say it was a technical stretch for me

it's just that I value my time, is all 😛

I already have all of the equipment I'd need to JTAG the damn thing if I wanted to

[gloomy kite]

most of em have serial ports

i just don't want a mobile laser microphone running around my house that I can't shut the data off on.

[subtle pasture]

Oh, well, I have some good news for you

It still works without an internet connection. The Android app makes a local-local connection to the vacuum

[gloomy kite]

so then I don't have to root the device

I can just emulate the app

right?

pull the data off the phone via ADB

maybe even make the service calls directly

[subtle pasture]

Good luck with that. The communication between the vacuum and the app is encrypted UDP traffic

Sniffing it is a bitch

[gloomy kite]

yes, but how is it encrypted

because encryption requires either PSK or come cert/key combination

[subtle pasture]

What I did, for starters, was give the vacuum a static DHCP lease with static ARP, and then add a firewall rule to block anything bound for WAN from that IP address.

[gloomy kite]

if you have a rooted android phone that the app is installed on, then you can get at the cert/key and decrypt directly.

i suppose if you get status updates on your phone with that firewall rule in place, all the traffic occurs locally

[subtle pasture]

@gloomy kite You can get the API key, yes... for 24 hours, then it rotates the API key

need to reverse engineer the API key rotation mechanism, more than anything

if you can do THAT, then HomeAssistant's pre-existing vacuum integration will work

[gloomy kite]

if the api key rotates, that means either one of two things. Its sent over the encrypted channel periodically, or some shared secret between the robot and the app exists

similar to how code based 2fa exists

[subtle pasture]

My guess is the latter, personally

[gloomy kite]

probably

[subtle pasture]

That's how I'd do it. lol

[gloomy kite]

we'd need to decompile either the firmware or the app

the app is probably easier to attack

[subtle pasture]

I've seen that done to a limited degree, with both the Mi Home and Roborock apps

People have hacked them to show the current API Key in the GUI, but that doesn't help when the key rotates daily

Dunno if anyone has dug into how the Roborock app does its rotation

[gloomy kite]

i wonder if its something stupid like a cronjob somewhere

[subtle pasture]

Hmm, it'd have to be a pre-shared secret of some kind, now that I think about it...

Because you can pair a single Roborock vacuum to multiple apps

[gloomy kite]

which means the secret lives on the robot

[subtle pasture]

And when the key rotates, it doesn't break the connection to any of them, even if they phones are off-network at the time

[last cedar]

Any good vacuums that don't spy on you or send pica of your home to China and have an api?

[gloomy kite]

@last cedar if there was, we'd have proably already found them

[subtle pasture]

@last cedar Older roborock vacuums with custom firmware were good. Full MQTT support 😛

The struggle is getting anything new (that's not a Roomba) to work...

[last cedar]

It seems so silly tbh, I wouldn't mind paying more for it to just be local

[subtle pasture]

Even Deebot uses a cloud-only integration

[deft pewter]

Maybe that's what they want

[last cedar]

I hate doing cloud stuff

[deft pewter]

It's like Tesla and the extortionate upgrade to FSD.

"I wouldn't mind paying more for it to just drive itself"

[last cedar]

I mean, I understand that. But that isn't me :)

[sand agate]

There isn't any reason why it should cost more... if anything you would be saving them server time

[last cedar]

They can't sell your data to 3rd parties though

[gloomy kite]

nah, but then they can't sell your data

[last cedar]

😂

[gloomy kite]

its like why you can't buy a dumb tv anymore

[sand agate]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[deft pewter]

Smart TV's 🤢

Gonna keep mine a while longer. No spyware installed.

[last cedar]

You can buy a dumb tv. You just block all access to it outside of LAN

But it is work

I have mine connected to LAN just to use WoL

[gloomy kite]

thats the thing about all this. its getting harder and harder to block things and shut it all down

[last cedar]

Nothing more

Yes, very frustrating

Actually, I lied. Not just WoL. HA also sends an off command with a few automations

[sand agate]

Its easy enough when you've got vlans set up

[gloomy kite]

theoretically

i've got all that, and have blocked all outbound traffic for my TV, but it still makes DNS requests. and IPoverDNS is a thing

[sand agate]

Thats when you specifically set up pihole to block all outbound DNS requests for that device

[subtle pasture]

You can always just... not connect it to WiFi and use an IR remote...

Treat it like a dumb TV

[gloomy kite]

that has a low WAF though

[subtle pasture]

... a simple IR remote has a low WAF?

How has she survived the last 30 years?

[gloomy kite]

looks like the 360 S9 has a recovery jumper and a serial header

when the tv gets its signal from the receiver, and CEC is absolute ass, the WAF is low

[subtle pasture]

This is why I use a harmony remote to orchestrate everything. lol

Including my lobotomized smart/dumb TV

[gloomy kite]

my issue is the reciever is 100' away from the tv and buried deep inside a server rack

so RF doesn't play nicely

[subtle pasture]

Good thing you can use multiple Harmony hubs, and just stick one right in the AV cabinet...

Or run a wire from one of its two remote IR Blaster ports

[gloomy kite]

i already have wire run for the IR blaster setup

the issue is things get out of sync

[subtle pasture]

❤️ Harmony remotes, the WAF is high on that setup...

[gloomy kite]

the WAF is not so high when the toddler throws it across the room though

[subtle pasture]

Throws what across the room?

[gloomy kite]

the remote

[clear ferry]

Psssh, my 2 year old can operate the apple TV remote herself 🤣

[subtle pasture]

It'll only do what the buttons are programmed to do, it shouldn't lose sync as long as the only remote out is the Harmony remote...

[gloomy kite]

again, toddler

[subtle pasture]

You'd have to intentionally use one of the old dedicated device remotes, which we have in a drawer elsewhere, because they're basically never used

[gloomy kite]

I've got a two year old that can tell the difference between metric and SAE wrenches. Opens doors, unlocks things, disassembles things, etc.

[subtle pasture]

ok... this sounds more like a "lack of childproofing" problem than a WAF problem...

[gloomy kite]

there is considerable overlap between spousal technical ineptitude and child capability

[clear ferry]

We only use the apple TV remote, it wakes up TV and reciver via CEC, and HA does everything we need to switch sources, but we are 95% on the apple TV input

[torn sinew]

Guys, issues with home assistant having high CPU usage on a rpi 4, which of the topics should I go to? 😄

[clear ferry]

@torn sinew your install method

[subtle pasture]

@clear ferry I'm pretty locked-in to the Harmony remote ecosystem thanks to my current setup, which involves a dumb TV, soundbar, and an Nvidia Shield

Harmony remote makes sure the TV and soundbar always land on the correct input

[torn sinew]

ah. thanks

[subtle pasture]

CEC support on the TV and soundbar are both a joke. lol

[clear ferry]

Nvidia shield was never a thing here, TV without CEC I haven't seen in over 15 years and soundboard no thanks 🤣

[subtle pasture]

Oh, the TV supports CEC... barely

[clear ferry]

Never had issues with cec

[subtle pasture]

An attached device can turn on the TV and switch inputs, that's it

[clear ferry]

I've had Samsung, Philips and LG

The lgs have been the best for sure

[subtle pasture]

This is a Philips screen

I wound up turning off CEC so that the Harmony remote never loses sync

[gloomy kite]

i used to do multi hundred thousand AV installations

RS232 control and crestron were our bread and butter for a reason

[subtle pasture]

Damn, I haven't seen a TV with RS232 on it since my parents' old Plasma TV

[gloomy kite]

this was some time ago, but there were several models we used that had rs232

and later, a network interface

like my lg b9

has a great web interface, but, shocker, it needs to be connected to a network

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I have seen that once in the last 20 years, in a multi hundred thousand crestron setup

[gloomy kite]

unless you 100% airgap it, its gonna have issues

my denon avr's have always had an rs232 port on em

[subtle pasture]

+1 for Denon AVRs

[clear ferry]

Eh, Denon was always second fiddle over here

To NAD

[gloomy kite]

my dad has some old NAD gear

I'd love some mcintosh stuff, but my god is it expensive

and on top of that, their control api is ass

or at least was 7 years ago

FWIW my LG B9 has a "SVC ONLY" RS232 port on it

its probably abusable with the right secret manuals

oh neat, the roborock app has a tuya smartlink library

[hearty depot]

uff what a crasy day.
you got a table-Mic you are happy with, Looking for a decent present for the woman

[gloomy kite]

im happy with the mic array on the XB1 kinect im also using as a webcam for work conferences.

[hearty depot]

😄 reminds me that there must be a ps2 camera around

[gloomy kite]

i mean, the Kinect is a 1080p webcam with great optics and decent mics on it

cheaper than any other 1080p cam I've seen recently

[subtle pasture]

Heh, I forgot about the Kinect. That also supports being a Windows Hello device, doesn't it?

Facial-recognition based logons

[gloomy kite]

not sure. I'm running it on linux

[clear ferry]

I have a 1080 camera from AliExpress

That I need to print a mount for

The quality of the image is very good

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/black-white-depth-camera-blablabla-blabla-drugs-are-bad-gif-17060266

[gloomy kite]

cameras are easy to get at reasonable resoluition now. its just the optics in front of them that get expensive

[clear ferry]

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[gloomy kite]

the kinect, however, has a standard 1/4-20 thread mount on the bottom

yea, thats about what I expected

[hearty depot]

┬┴┤o ͜ʖ ͡o)

[tidal bronze]

Any professional receiver still got 232. Not every option can be accessed via ethernet.

[gloomy kite]

@tidal bronze my avr-x2600h has a physical db9 rs232.

[tidal bronze]

Yep all my Aventage units and denon units come with them.

[gloomy kite]

i'll eventually replace mine with an hdmi 2.1 receiver

[tidal bronze]

Waiting aventage 8k release if it takes too long will go all denon. Although I always lean Yamaha.

[last cedar]

I have a Yamaha now, just a cheap end one, it is nice :)

[tidal bronze]

Did I hear someone say NAD 🤣

@last cedar most avrs have same features now, main differences are DSP, output level, proc. Ch vs output ch etc. Hard to find a so called cheap avr these days.

Unless you heavy into DSD 80% would be the same 😃

[last cedar]

Cheap as in low power output

Paid roughly 330 euro for it, think sticker price was 400

But it sounds great, and all the features I want (at the moment)

Neighbours complain often enough to not be able to have anything bigger

And that is without a subwoofer

481D somewhere in the model name

Have a 4K oled, and a 3.0 system with xtz speakers, 2 floor standers and a big center

Super messy pic from last chrismas ish

All the cat toys are for me

TV is a 65 for scale

Amp lives behind middle drawer in speaker stand, modified the draw to be a shelf instead

[tidal bronze]

Center is front ported
?

Looks good BTW

[last cedar]

Yes

Floorstanders are rear ported

Aprox 20cm to wall, and with foam plugs in the holes

[tidal bronze]

What's the sensitivity on those ?

[last cedar]

Thanks :) they sound good, despite the room being far from ideal

89dB

Apparently

[tidal bronze]

Good

You need some juice to drive those.

[last cedar]

Mmmm, probably would sound better with a beefier amp and room treatments tbh. Just in a hired appartment atm. Plan is to have a proper room for it

[forest edge]

@last cedar you appear to be a cat lady lol

[last cedar]

And upgrade kit as it is needed, but I don't feel I miss anythibg tbh

We have 3 cats now :/

Getting out of hand

[night zodiac]

If I don't want to invest any brain power into it, I was looking at fluance's stand up speakers the other day. are they fine for lazy people?

[forest edge]

cats are good.. why the :/ face?

[last cedar]

Like I buy servers

She buys cats

[forest edge]

nothing wrong with that

[last cedar]

Expensive hobbies

[forest edge]

lol

cats need luv too

[last cedar]

Servers don't poo in the hallway

[forest edge]

cats don't catch fire spontaniously either

[static schooner]

servers seem like a nice, warm place for cats to sleep

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge you know about cats too. I thought you were all about goats

[last cedar]

True that

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze goats? you must be thinking of atx

[last cedar]

Oh, funny you mention goats. A colleage at work has 2 goats

So his nickname is "geten" means "the goat" in Swedish

But yeah, I am happy with stuff atm. Need to get servers in use before I buy more.

Have to migrate to a new opnsense box as step 1 and get ups in the rack

[deft pewter]

I've been going to the wrong restaurants then.

[last cedar]

😂

You cheeky monster hahaha

I can't believe I didn't pick up on that. I am losing my touch, clearly

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge did you try frigate after all that kicking and screaming?

[last cedar]

Goodnight everyone :)

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze not on my main machine but did see he had an addon for the rpi 4 so i tried that

but since hardware aceel is bonkered with the 64 bit i can't use it.. pegs my cpu to 100% off the bat lol

[tidal bronze]

Try it on the main machine. Are you saving it for something. I have no idea why you mess with a rpi.

Someone's giving you cookies on Sunday for that. ?

[forest edge]

I was just messing around since it had an addon, that was a quick an easy means of seeing what it was like

and it even states on the git the rpi is part of the recommended hardware lol

without coral or hardware accel it's usless

[hushed basalt]

Googles storage service must be feeling the squeeze

Google drive unlimited axed, deleting inactive or overquota data,

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze you pipe your cameras at full res into that frigate? and then just use a generic nvr to see the live feeds from time to time?

be nice if frigtae could just tell an nvr to start recording and stop etc. but it seems to be the all in one with the exception of actually seeing the feeds live

[tidal bronze]

Oh you are going by data sheets now. Epic.

[forest edge]

data sheets?

i'm asking how you run yours lol

[tidal bronze]

I7 nuc

[forest edge]

#the-water-cooler message

[tidal bronze]

640 most of them

No live feeds. Frigate to telegram. Last person and last dog

[forest edge]

the directiosn said to pick a resolution where the smallest thing you want to detect fit within a 300x300px square. isn't 640 too small?

[tidal bronze]

640 and 1080 works for me. All sub streams

[forest edge]

well i got to dump linux on the i7 anyways so once i get that done i'll get docker setup and dive into frigate. not sure the hoops i'll have to jump but we'll see lol

[hushed basalt]

Not mine, but check out that crazy ratio. 34:1

@clear ferry

What is this, an upload for ants.

[barren hound]

that's awful

[forest edge]

i mean why would the average user need more than 30mps upload?

just sayin

[barren hound]

video uploads from their cloud cameras

[forest edge]

they don't require that much

[barren hound]

backing up their photo archive?

[forest edge]

that should be done in sync which again, is nothing

[barren hound]

dropbox type of things as well

[forest edge]

sorry, the average user wouldn't even notice that upload speed lol

[subtle pasture]

Anyone who wants to do cloud backups is just hamstrung immediately...

And every user should have backups

Like, ideally, the average user SHOULD be backing up their shit

But 30mbps makes cloud backups non-viable

So they don't, and services for cloud backups remain mostly enterprise-focused

[barren hound]

backblaze still services users

end users

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, but again, slow upload...

Just checked the compressed backup size for my desktop computer. 1.4TB... that's 14 hours just to get the initial full up to the cloud, and then another hour for every incremental, at 30 mbps.

Oh, and that's my entire bandwidth cap gone, plus two overages

[barren hound]

yeah, fuck comcast

[subtle pasture]

e'yup...

[barren hound]

and AT&T, but for different reasons.

The gig package they offer only works with their gateway.

[subtle pasture]

So yeah, that's why my backups run to a 48TB NAS, not to the cloud >_>

Just getting the initial backups to the cloud would be a multi-month process if I wanted to avoid an overage fee

[spark orchid]

Did you see the video of <insert random tech channel cuz i forget who> that tested gsuite offering unlimited storage so they dumped 30Pb to it?

[subtle pasture]

That was Linus Tech Tips

[spark orchid]

YES

[forest edge]

the average user dosen't back up what you think should be backed up. they don't care about the same stuff you care about that takes up gigs upon gigs of space

[spark orchid]

I knew some other nerd would know

[subtle pasture]

@forest edge I'm just doing traditional system image backups...

[spark orchid]

I only back up my noods

[forest edge]

exactly

[subtle pasture]

Nothing special...

[forest edge]

that is NOT an average user

[spark orchid]

average user is my wife, who ONLY cares about her photos

[subtle pasture]

The average user doesn't understand anything more complicated than a system image backup. lol

[barren hound]

backup everything in the user folder and you're 90% good

its much rarer these days to need to back up beyond that (unless you have a secondary drive)

[forest edge]

most don't care about any of that. photo's and emails and maybe a few pdf type crap is the extent

[subtle pasture]

Also, I'd rather not have to re-download my entire Steam library if shit goes sideways with an SSD

Because.. .overages...

[spark orchid]

I keep full image and recursives on 18TB NAS locally. Then shit I don't wanna lose in a house fire, go to cloud, as well

[forest edge]

as long as they have that, they could care less if the system crashes.. it's as easy as buying a new computer or going to a repair shop

[spark orchid]

^is a repair shop

[barren hound]

not having overages, i've restored my entire fileserver when i had an enclosure go bad.

[subtle pasture]

Really, they should just give us more upload and fuck-off with data caps