#the-water-cooler

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night zodiac
forest edge
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that tree skirt built in?

night zodiac
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no

clear ferry
night zodiac
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my girlfriend has some smelly skirt she was handed down

scenic radish
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Phrasing

forest edge
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i'm gonna get that twinkly tree when ours dies lol

night zodiac
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lmao

clear ferry
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I just have the lights @forest edge

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They are great fun

night zodiac
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I wanted an old school tree. I bought some hand painted ornaments and a fancy ribbon

forest edge
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my girlfriend has some smelly skirt she was handed down
@night zodiac lol

subtle pasture
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I'm assuming we're talking tree-skirts...

night zodiac
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yep

forest edge
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no, women skirts

night zodiac
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same thing

forest edge
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atx skirts, same thing as well

clear ferry
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Women trees god damnit

scenic radish
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@clever mortar's kilt

subtle pasture
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#WhyNotBoth?

night zodiac
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Leapo, I am pretty sure I have seen that same scenario with DMT

clever mortar
clear ferry
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Doing my AWS certification tomorrow πŸ€•

night zodiac
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Can I pay you for AWS questions?

clear ferry
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I can have more money?

night zodiac
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not now, bbut in the future

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serious, lol

subtle pasture
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Had to look up DMT... that doesn't look like something I'd want to mess with O.o

night zodiac
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I'd rather pay someone else to do that shit or have management pay it out

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Leapo, two types of DMT

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frog DMT and plant DMT, lol

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frog looks way too fucky for me

subtle pasture
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I mean, I already have a BAD time with just weed (anxiety, claustrophobia, etc).. I'm afraid to try anything harder than that

night zodiac
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yeah, fuck all that then πŸ˜‰

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water is dank

clear ferry
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Should I start smoking 40 a day again?

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πŸ‘€

night zodiac
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atx, you an AWS whore or not? πŸ˜‰

clear ferry
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No

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Unless you want to pay my fixed rates

night zodiac
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well of course

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?

clear ferry
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That'll be $220 per hour

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Plus extras

night zodiac
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ok, extras?

clear ferry
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πŸ’Έ

clever mortar
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Damn you're cheap

night zodiac
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fixed rate and extras?

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odd

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lol, nvm

clear ferry
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@clever mortar that's only the per hour engagement, if planned 🀣

clever mortar
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As I said πŸ˜›

clear ferry
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If it is a we need you now it's $2000 extra to start looking

clever mortar
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That's more like it

clear ferry
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Or double everything for after 4pm

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πŸ‘€

clever mortar
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I note that you don't mention which timezone πŸŽ‰

subtle pasture
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Those are the kinds of terms I gave my previous employer when I lost my job in a round of layoffs

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"Call me for anything you want, here's my rate"

clear ferry
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@clever mortar local preferably but I'm not picky

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🀣

clever mortar
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It's after 4pm in ... checks ... Australia, so I have to charge you double time

clear ferry
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I like your thinking

night zodiac
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lol, I just do planned AWS shit a few hours a month that an AWS person would do a lot more confidently πŸ˜›

clever mortar
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Helps to have worked with lawyers...

cedar herald
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Is there a place to see a projected timeline of what the teams are working on? Like I'd love to see themes / future things that are projected for 0.118 0.119 or event current sprint, maybe even contribute to specific themes?

clever mortar
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GitHub

subtle pasture
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Also hilarious: They let me go 3 days before all their SSL certs expired, and I handled the renewals...

cedar herald
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Like a read only trello board, I didn't see anything for github projects

subtle pasture
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So they called me real quick

shy comet
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@cedar herald you go by open PRs for wahts to come

cedar herald
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ugh

night zodiac
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lol

cedar herald
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there has to be a theme people are working on and a dashboard / standup every day no?

shy comet
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theres no timelines in an open source project where people donate their own free time

clever mortar
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Nope

shy comet
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people work on whatever they want

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when they want

cedar herald
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for nabu?

clever mortar
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There's X developers working somewhat independently on X*Y integrations

cedar herald
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yeah I don't buy that there is some direction

clever mortar
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There is for the core

clear ferry
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Oh, shit, people have free will @shy comet ?

cedar herald
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yeah and that's what I'm asking about lol

clever mortar
shy comet
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LOL

subtle pasture
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Smithers in chaps... appropriate

scenic radish
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Are they assless?

shy comet
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i think the state of the union last year went over what to expect didnt it?

scenic radish
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Chassless Aps

subtle pasture
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The chaps appear to be, but he's wearing pants under them

shy comet
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i dont think weve done all that was mentioned there

cedar herald
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It's like I look at the rc blogs to see what's coming but wish there was here are some of our goals that may or may not happen next

shy comet
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the RC blog covers whts been merged

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what may or may not happen would be the open PR list

cedar herald
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yep, exactly

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and with so many dam pr's and things going on community wise I figured it would be nice to see what the teams were thinking of what they wanted to accomplish, that might help others contribute to areas around what the team wants to do...

shy comet
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whenever there is some type of direction like that.....it usually starts with a PR and other devs follow suit

clever mortar
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As mentioned above though, most "teams" aren't working for NC

shy comet
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or starts from Architecture issue

clever mortar
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If somebody wants to provide an integration for ... SpaceX, then they'll do it and the first anybody hears may be the PR for merging it

cedar herald
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yeah I totally get that

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but each release seems to have a common theme and I was wondering where that comes from and how we see what the next one will be and participate

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especially now that we have 5 or 6 nabu employees?? to help shape the direction

shy comet
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that theme always comes from a starting PR

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either from that release or a previous release

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youd have to build something and chat about it in the dev channels like they do

cedar herald
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like I'd love to see the conversation that says we want to do xyz this will span multiple releases but we need to at least get this done.

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got it

amber bramble
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architecture repo has some of that discussion too

cedar herald
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will try and watch dev channels more :-). I just know in my oss projects I have even super high level trello or github projects board and I'm not tied to any of it but it's things I'd like to tackle in a "sprint"

shy comet
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theres no real single place to find what your looking for i dont think

cedar herald
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I'd like to be more active but with the limited time it would be nice to contribute feedback / code where it's being used than to submit a massive pr on something.

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but subscribing to be notified of every pr well you are asking for pain

clever mortar
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There's a stack of feature requests on the forum, some of which may well be relatively small pieces

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There's a sea of open issues

cedar herald
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yeah, I even have open issues

clever mortar
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The core repo alone has over 1K

shy comet
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work on what you think is the best use of your time

cedar herald
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I really need to try and get my Kohler shower integration into core and rewrite it to use config flow.

shy comet
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or work on something that you would like to see in HA yourself

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shower integration eh?

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thats cool

cedar herald
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thing is I got super excited to work on that and contribute to core then no feedback or nothing from core team about shower type and then that was demotivating.

shy comet
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well u got 1 response but that was it lol

cedar herald
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yeah

deft pewter
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fabaff? Their comment seems reasonable and pragmatic.

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They don't want a new component for every possible device type when the generic ones would work fine.

shy comet
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you can always submit a PR too and start the discussion there.....i know on the core side if they feel something belongs to the architecture repo they will ask you to start a discussin there

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but they dont usually close ti, they try to guide you on the path

cedar herald
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yeah, but those generic ones don't really fit and there are multiple other devices that would work with a water valve or something

clever mortar
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Sounds worth an architecture issue then πŸ˜‰

cedar herald
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yep πŸ˜„

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anyways I better get back to work πŸ™‚

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Thanks for your time!

light trout
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but each release seems to have a common theme
For the most part, that is a coinsidence, but many also watch every single PR that is opened to get a feel of what's going on

clear ferry
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Ordered a Xiaomi Honeywell smoke detector for 11.11 🀣

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Let's see if it is any good

last cedar
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Anyone have any opinions on the Nokia 5.3? Specifically the 3GB RAM model, just as a budget phone. 25% off atm

cedar herald
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If it won't get updates in 2 years from now it's a hard no for me personally.

clear ferry
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Eh, I replace my phone every two years anyway 🀣

last cedar
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It should until 2023 afaik

forest edge
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Eh, I replace my phone every two years anyway 🀣
@clear ferry quad jr?

clear ferry
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🧐

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Nah, work pays, I buy

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The minimum rota is 2 years

deft pewter
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I think I've had my phone for 3 years already and still have no plans to replace it. πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

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It works... only thing I'd like that it doesn't have is wireless charging but I'm not about to replace a phone just for that.

subtle pasture
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My phone was launched in 2018, though I only bought it in January of 2020

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@deft pewter You might actually be able to add wireless charging, heh

deft pewter
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Add it? Like with one of those battery cases? Pass.

subtle pasture
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I mean, external is an option, but I've had phones where you could add wireless charging with a replacement back-panel

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My LG G3 was like that. Base model came without NFC or wireless charging, but all you had to do was snap on a new back with the antenna stickers on it

deft pewter
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OnePlus 6. Body is one piece, so that rules that option out.

subtle pasture
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Oof

deft pewter
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I love the phone though. Even after this long, battery life is still a couple of days. I cared more about NFC / contactless payments than wireless charging.

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Plus to get a decent feature set these days, you gotta pay closer to a grand. I paid around Β£400 or something for this.

subtle pasture
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The external options are quite clever, though not for everyone

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Slim cable fits inside most phone cases

deft pewter
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That's actually not a bad solution

subtle pasture
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My only complaint with those is that you have to take your case off to plug in a cable

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Still sad that most phones don't have replicable backs / batteries anymore...

deft pewter
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I think I'd be happy with that compromise. I almost always charge my phone next to my bed overnight. It's not like I'd need to carry a wireless charger around or have a spare at the office (post-corona)

subtle pasture
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Stupid purse tricks: I have a portable USB battery bank that has a wireless charging pad on it. I can leave it in the pocket opposite the one where I place my phone, and the phone starts charging any time I tip it into my purse

deft pewter
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Almost makes me want to carry a purse

subtle pasture
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I generally only use that for long trips out (vacations, conferences) though... battery bank makes the purse kinda heavy πŸ˜…

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That starts to nag at your shoulder after a day of wandering a conference floor

deft pewter
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What's a conference floor? 🀣

clear ferry
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I love my man purses

deft pewter
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Got a conference tomorrow. Sucks that it's online.

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Show us your man sacks, atx.

subtle pasture
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@deft pewter Oh, COVID humor, I get it now πŸ˜›

clear ferry
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Wanna see my big sack you say

subtle pasture
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Last in-person con I attended was Defcon 27.

deft pewter
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Just the small sack...

subtle pasture
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I also attended Defcon 28, but it was all online... thanks COVID...

deft pewter
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Not that I've been to many but the lack of in-person tech events is about the only thing I miss.

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WFH is great. Seeing fewer people is great.

clear ferry
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The thinkgeek messenger bag of holding is my favourite one, I have three or four

deft pewter
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Bag of holding? The board game thing?

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Ah, no. I'm thinking of something else.

clear ferry
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Three or four different messenger bags that is, not three of that model

subtle pasture
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@deft pewter Lol, my coworkers were in a Teams meeting talking about how stressful it was working from home, how they'd been drinking more and gaining weight...
That's when I knew for sure I was the true introvert in the group

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"I've lost like 10 lbs and I barely drink anymore since working from home... are y'all alright?"

deft pewter
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I've gained weight but that's just because I stopped running. I'm far happier now that I don't have to commute and work in a noisy office.

clear ferry
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Yes to full-time work from home

deft pewter
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I did find the wave of 'introverts, teach us how to be good with loneliness' posts back at the beginning funny.

subtle pasture
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Yeah, losing an hour of my day to driving is not something I want to go back to without compensation

clear ferry
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And our company is embracing it

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So we are moving to wfh ww

subtle pasture
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It's funny how management gets all huffy when you ask to be compensated for your commute. it's time taken from me in order to work, I wanna get paid for it.

deft pewter
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If my company tell me to commute again, I'm definitely raising the question of compensation. To cover both time and fuel.

clear ferry
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I had compensation for the driving@subtle pasture but still don't want it

last plaza
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WFH did not impact me at all. Same weight! May have lost 1 or 2 lbs.

clear ferry
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Could be 6h to and from work every day

last plaza
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Get out! 6 hrs commute?

subtle pasture
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You couldn't pay me enough to commute 6 hours every day

clear ferry
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If traffic piles up in winter I could easily have 4 hours home in the evening plus the two hours in

forest edge
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he rides a pedal bike. it's 6 hours anywhere for him

last plaza
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I worked in NYC for years. Hated 90 min commute one way. Never doing that again.

clear ferry
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Usually my commute would be 45m each way

deft pewter
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Haha. And I'm upset that our offices are moving across town and my 7 minute commute becomes 1 hour.

subtle pasture
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It's crazy how much less I'm spending on fuel, tires, lunches... I'm saving all kinds of money >_>

forest edge
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you mean just redirecting it towards other things

clear ferry
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@subtle pasture I have all of that compensated anyway 🀣

subtle pasture
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Gotta call up my auto insurance and re-estimate my millage to drop my rate

forest edge
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like online purchases and doordash lol

deft pewter
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The only bit of WFH I dislike is that we bought a new car just before the pandemic. It doesn't get much use now and I like driving 😐

subtle pasture
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@forest edge Nah, I've been cooking a lot more recently. Groceries are cheap compared to eating out...

deft pewter
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Redirecting those expenses is still better than wasting it on a commute.

subtle pasture
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This ^

deft pewter
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I'd rather buy myself stuff than spent it on fuel.

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The wife does well out of the arrangement too... I spend more on her now πŸ˜„

forest edge
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but then your place will start to look like @clear ferry 's garage

subtle pasture
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Work from home has actually had a noticeable impact on national carbon output

last plaza
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Of course!

subtle pasture
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It's kinda impressive how much better for the environment it is

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Though strangely, the number of car accidents hasn't decreased proportionally with the number of cars on the road...

deft pewter
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That's because the idiots are still driving...

subtle pasture
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Idiots are still driving on deserted roads, thinking they can now safely exceed the speed limit

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And they can't

deft pewter
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I occasionally hear traffic on a highway near me. The number of boy racers hasn't gone down...

clear ferry
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I hope snow comes soon

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And that we get lots of it

clear ferry
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πŸ₯³ πŸ₯³ πŸ₯³

subtle pasture
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(I am completely guilty of exceeding the speed limit on a road left deserted by COVID, mind you...)

clear ferry
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Like the first year here, -35c and 10cm snow every day

forest edge
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I drive 5mph under

deft pewter
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We have some streets with 5mph limits here. Driving 5 under wouldn't get you far.

last plaza
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-20f is what I’ve seen here a couple of years. But not much snow.

subtle pasture
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There's a windy country road on my drive home from the office that's just too much fun not to speed through a lil' bit

deft pewter
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-20ΒΊF is just above freezing, right? I like that kind of winter.

forest edge
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@deft pewter you sure it's 5mph? cause our slowest streets only go down to 15mph lol

last plaza
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Way below freezing. 32f is freezing temperature.

deft pewter
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Yeah, 5mph... but usually it's private land like parking lots.

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Ah... I can't do freedom units.

last plaza
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.f2c -20

velvet horizonBOT
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:thermometer:
Fahrenheit To Celsius

-20 degrees fahrenheit = -28.89 degrees celsius!

deft pewter
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Oof, too cold for me πŸ˜„

subtle pasture
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Driving 5-under can actually get you ticketed around here, lol

deft pewter
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Only if you hold up traffic, surely?

subtle pasture
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Yeah, generally

deft pewter
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No-one cares what you're doing if the road is clear.

subtle pasture
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You'll probably get a sobriety check, as well

deft pewter
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πŸ˜„

forest edge
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@subtle pasture I seriously doubt that, even highways min are generally 20 mph lower lol

subtle pasture
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Driving 5-under on a California freeway is dangerous as fuck...

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Speed limit: 65
Flow of traffic: 90

forest edge
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I almost typed something but I already know someone would jump all over

deft pewter
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Go on...

subtle pasture
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lol

deft pewter
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We give you enough stick already, it can't be worse πŸ˜„

deft pewter
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Did you tell everyone about the ambient lighting you're setting up, Sonoma?

forest edge
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you mean the lamp behind the tv like what @clear ferry does?

deft pewter
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Nah, your orange ambient shit πŸ˜„

forest edge
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thats for next years halloween

forest edge
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only holidays get ambient lighting around here

last plaza
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YouTube down?

forest edge
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not down, lagged to all hell

static schooner
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cat videos have turned into sloth videos?

forest edge
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the actual videos are the only thing unable to load lol

last plaza
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I should have checked online first before making changes to my network. 🀣

forest edge
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must be rerouting through what Norway calls Fiber network right @clear ferry ?

last plaza
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lol

forest edge
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look up stouts, those things are awesome. then look up vvideos how they take down rabbits like 10 times thier size lol

molten osprey
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Anybody here an electronics nerd with a passion for multimeters? πŸ™‚

vague vale
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Has anyone been able to get a harmony hub hooked up to HA?

shy comet
vague vale
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Yeah I posted there as well. I’ll stand by for help then

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Thanks

hushed basalt
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Google Photos is getting rid of free storage

supple moss
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yeah i just saw that

hushed basalt
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Looks like self hosting will be even more important

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Or throwing more money at Google

balmy inlet
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I use nextcloud on a NAS it works great!

forest edge
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something like that couldn't last forever lol

green inlet
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Looks like 15GB still free.

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And anything before June 1, 2021 doesn’t count toward 15 GB

hushed basalt
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Yeah that'll get chewed up quick

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Besides it's good to have original quality anyways

green inlet
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Ha, I still have 10 GB available.

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And 100 GB is 1.99 a month

forest edge
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Nextdoor app says there was an uptick in Bidet sales with the pandemic going on lol

wet pilot
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lol

young sigil
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Anybody here an electronics nerd with a passion for multimeters? πŸ™‚
@molten osprey show me what u got.

molten osprey
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@young sigil trying to decide on a new hobby multimeter, betweem the AN870 and Holdpeak HP-770D

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@young sigil count: HP = 40,000, Aneng = 20,000
ranges: all the same, except

  • HP has .1 celcius, Aneng has only full degrees
  • HP goes up to 40MOhm, Aneng to 200MOhm
    display update frequency: HP = 5/sec, Aneng = 3/sec
    continuity: HP takes 110ms, Aneng 20ms
    burden voltage: HP = 142mV at 100mA, Aneng = 277mV at 100mA
    backlight: HP = automatic, plus a light point in the mode dial, Aneng = manual
    tolerances: HP is less accurate, VDC 0.1% vs 0.05%, ADC 1.0% vs 0.5% (although some write the Aneng is 0.5% VDC)
    safety: both no high voltage protection, HP has the input shutters
young sigil
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What's your budget?

molten osprey
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both well within my $50 budget (HP = $40, Aneng = $30)

young sigil
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US $ ?

molten osprey
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yes

young sigil
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I have a thing to do but can get back to you in an hour or so.

molten osprey
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all good. much appreciated! i'll be here all day πŸ˜‰

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(it's 10am for me)

hushed basalt
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@forest edge bidets are great I wish they were standard

supple moss
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ok. is there any conceivable way to control things in HA from your mac/windows keyboard shortcuts?

wet pilot
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maybe if you could map a shortcut to an api call

supple moss
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what about the native mac app?

molten osprey
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which native mac app?

scenic radish
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supple moss
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well, i will definitely check there. but @wet pilot sounds like you're maybe suggesting triggering a bash or script file with a shortcut, and having that script use some kind of MQTT command

wet pilot
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yeah, probably the closest you can get

supple moss
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or the other way around, which I do for SSH commands from HA (shell_command)

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windows could be the device host. HA could just have a shell_command switch for it

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sorry. thinking out loud.

wet pilot
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i think there's a thing out there to let your windows host do mqtt stuffs

supple moss
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the IOT thingy

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IOT Link?

wet pilot
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sounds familiar. i've never used it though so don't know for sure

supple moss
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been meaning to try that. seems like it could be a rabbit hole

wet pilot
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i mean, so's HA

supple moss
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was just thinking that in my head

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i feel like every other night i change the logic in my automations/scripts

scenic radish
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Oh, just you wait...

supple moss
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oh no.

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my wife is already upset at me

shy comet
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too much time on HA?

supple moss
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she's going to flip out when she sees my latest amazon order (more obscure smart devices)

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yeah

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she is now getting more upset than when i play videos games -- she actually WANTS me to play video games instead

shy comet
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hahah

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find a smart device she likes to make it fun for her?

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when i got a harmony hub my wife was stocked to get rid of all the remotes and consolidate

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and it gave me IR devices and voice commands

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voice is also a big thing too....somethings you never knew you needed until you try it when it comes to HA

supple moss
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yeah, i definitely sold her on that. she liked when she could start watching apple tv with voice via harmony

shy comet
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my wife also loves automated shower music

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humidity sensor + smart speaker

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never ahve to think about starting music again

supple moss
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but now it's like "do we really need a motion sensor in this room? can't i just say "alexa turn the lights on instead?"

shy comet
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motion lights is one of those you didnt know you need it till you have it IMO

supple moss
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dumb switches < homekit < voice < sensors + automations

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that's been my evolution

wet pilot
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yeah, need to roll out proper motion sensors eventually

shy comet
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automating to keep the nursery temperature to my sons liking was alose big

wet pilot
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been using the terribad ecobee sensors for fan control

shy comet
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keeps him sleeping through the night

scenic radish
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oof

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damn phnx i'll send you some motion sensors if times are that tough for you

wet pilot
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haha

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other priorities

shy comet
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automated baby monitors too πŸ™‚

supple moss
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my bby monitors are RF so that's a no go for me. BUT! it is tricky to get the temperature right in there

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i have an ecobee sensor in there, but unfortunately my house is a single pipe steam zone

shy comet
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yea temperature can be tricky but getting extra hours of sleep was a big win lol

scenic radish
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automated baby monitor?

shy comet
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yea we use an input boolean to disable light automations, turn off speaker, kick in climate control automations and it also sends out certain mqtt messages depending on other input booleans like if its night time and will put the monitor in the Den or Bedroom based on that...it also puts it on the TV in PiP on the shield πŸ™‚

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oh turns on his sound machine too

forest edge
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one input bool to rule them all!

shy comet
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ahah

scenic radish
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oh gotcha

young sigil
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@molten osprey For hobby use, 40,000 count will be more useful if measuring 3.3V. Gets you better resolution, so HP has the advantage here. The k-type thermocouple probe for any meter is going to limit your accuracy to +/-1Β°C at best. No advantage to either meter. In hobby use you are never going to be measuring more than 20M. No advantage to either meter. Display update - advantage to AN (how is the legibility/contrast though? Very important to consider.). Continuity - both pretty good. Slight advantage to AN. Burden voltage - advantage to HP. Backlight, I prefer manual but that's me. Up to you to decide this one. Accuracy, both very good for hobby work. So there's not much between them. Either would suit you well. Just to throw a spanner in the woks, have you considered the UNI-T UT139C?

molten osprey
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Thanks for the comments!

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I have not. Let me check.

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That looks like a decent meter, and would even allow mains usage as there is some actual protection in there.

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Resolution decidedly lower though?

molten osprey
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@young sigil It's been a point of discussion between me and a friend ... is the extra digit valuable?

last cedar
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I mean more accurate is always better, as long the extra digit isn't at the expense of accuracy, it is a good thing IMO (we were talking about multimeters right?)

young sigil
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For hobby use where 9 times out of 10 you are just checking digital high/low values, no the extra resolution is not significant. Even when checking ADC values you are only looking for ballpark figures. If you want high resolution and accuracy for design and prototyping work you would need to spend at least 3x as much.

molten osprey
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Yes we were, @last cedar

last cedar
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Okay, nice :)

molten osprey
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@young sigil I guess that makes sense πŸ™‚

last cedar
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Yeah, when I go fault finding systems, I only need to know to the nearest volt most often. We work with very forgiving stuff that has a wide tolerance to voltages.

If I were sending probes to other solar systems, I might need to pay more attention to the small numbers πŸ˜‚

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Got a new meter the otheday, fluke 116. Nice not to have to set the range.

molten osprey
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really ... i have a manual range mm now and one of the reasons i am looking to buy new is auto-range πŸ™‚

clear ferry
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Ο€

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You mean 3.1 ?

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πŸ₯³

molten osprey
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hehe

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taking the mrs out for a nice dinner, to get on her good side after the 11.11 aliexpress sale! πŸ™‚

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her: "you spent too much on there!"
me: "let's spend some more money on dinner!"
her: "aaawwwwww 😍 πŸ₯° 😘 "

clear ferry
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Wife just went can you get some more zigbee sensors

molten osprey
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haha

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well done, better trained than mine!

clear ferry
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she enjoys a smart house

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for the most part

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my daughter has started saying hey google

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🀣

hushed basalt
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Hey do do

clear ferry
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ironically, she is very articulate in her pronounciations for many things

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and some are just

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FUCK IT

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like her own name

clever mortar
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Kids are smart enough to know that if they're understood that's enough - voice assistants probably force the need for more clarity than humans do

clear ferry
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WONATAN WOSS you say

hearty depot
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Read my google feed, all new images on my fav image board are seen... Dam.. I think I have to start working

clear ferry
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Your favorite image board you say ?

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πŸ†

hearty depot
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https://pr0gramm.com/ no πŸ† for you
But hey read a nice article bout decrypting a ssh session
https://blog.fox-it.com/2020/11/11/decrypting-openssh-sessions-for-fun-and-profit/

Author: Jelle Vergeer Introduction A while ago we had a forensics case in which a Linux server was compromised and a modified OpenSSH binary was loaded into the memory of a webserver. The modified …

clear ferry
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for fun and profit

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🀣

hearty depot
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I love the line, It actually works rather wellΒ 
Describes so much stuff I do

forest edge
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Wife just went can you get some more zigbee sensors
@clear ferry you know damn well she said something else, likely something along the lines of getting off your ass but this is what you choose to hear instead

clear ferry
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I love architecture drawings

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This is just a small system, but when you start moving up to 8-16-32 socket systems, it get's really fun

last cedar
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HP Gen 8 or 9?

clear ferry
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Gen10

last cedar
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Oh

clear ferry
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Note iLO5

last cedar
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Oh yeah, ddr4

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I forgot sbout g7 being a 1366 system πŸ˜‚

clear ferry
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DDR4 is for Gen8 and 9 too

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But iLO5 is Gen10-> only

last cedar
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Aha, TIL

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Would be nice to have some non supermicro stuff to play with

clear ferry
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iLO4 = Gen8\9 | iLO3 = G7 | iLO2 = G5 \ G6

last cedar
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Looking at everything I own, it is hard not to think I am a supermicro shareholder

clear ferry
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Fun fact, the codename of iLO3 is Gromit

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I love codenames, so I know most of the internal ones, and everything has a system

last cedar
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Like Wallace and Gromit? :)

clear ferry
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Yup

last cedar
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Hehe

clear ferry
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Enterprise Tape libraries are Russian classes of submarines

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So, Akula is one of them

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Itanium blades are islands in the pacific, so bora bora etc

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Cell based Itanium and PA-RISC is mountains, so Rainier etc

forest edge
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when nerds feel chatty..

clear ferry
last cedar
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Code names are quite interesting sometimes. Just for the "they are running out of names, what will the next one be called" factor

clear ferry
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had a customer run out of server names at some point in days of yore

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he used things from the star wars universe

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so that was impressive

cinder heart
#

Hey! Are there a channel for docker related questions? I started a new instance and for some reason it doesn't start with the setup-screen, but the login screen and I don't find anything in the docs about any default password.

hushed basalt
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Naming servers 🀒

clear ferry
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a lot better than no000010fsa001.domain.local @hushed basalt

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🀒

clear ferry
hushed basalt
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Although screw .local

clear ferry
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it's quite popular with customers to be fair, but yeah I hate it

hushed basalt
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Real domain names please. I want to be able to get a real certificate for HTTPS

clear ferry
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pssh, most services are internal anyway, and you'll fix that with the internal CA

hushed basalt
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Yeah but I want at least one domain for services I use as a client

static temple
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Is there an easy way to add multiple entities to an area at once?

clear ferry
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I have my own internal domain, and an external domain, everything I do goes through dns

hushed basalt
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Me too

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I have domains for days

clear ferry
static temple
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Thanks πŸ™‚

clear ferry
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to be frank, I access most of my external facing stuff through the external domain even if they are part of the internal domain

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I shouldn't

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because that sucks when the internet i down

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but that happens once every three years for a few minutes

last cedar
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Axis have so many small courses to do, this is taking forever :/

umbral agate
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Wazzup

clear ferry
clear ferry
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@last cedar I regret to inform you that I don't think any HP(E) systems are codenamed after racoons

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that I know of

last cedar
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Postnord are the worst.

I am at home.

They try to deliver my UPS, but I am not home, so they say I can go pick it up (24kg packet).

Called them and they say they can't reach the driver so I have to go get it after 1600 (so tommorow).

Useless.

clear ferry
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Yup, they are fucking cu useless here too

last cedar
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I guess I won't be buying any HP servers if they don't have any racoon code names

clear ferry
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marked my package as noone home to pick up when there was roadwork down the road and they tried to deliver a mini itx chassis in a huge lorry

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didn't even bother calling me

clever mortar
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Better than Yodel, who'll leave packages that have to be signed for on your doorstep/in the hedge/somewhere down the street

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Or, my favourite, mark as nobody home when they didn't even come within 50 miles of the house...

clear ferry
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I've had Schenker leave whole racks outside in the rainΒ @clever mortar .... with $4m of storage inside....

clever mortar
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πŸ˜‚

clear ferry
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thankfully they are inside two layers of cardboard and plastic

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but damn boy YOUSA STUPID

last cedar
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I will have to take a shorter lunch to sort that out tommorrow now. Highly frustrating

clear ferry
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I need to find someone who can make this into a HA custom component πŸ€”

deft pewter
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The difficulty with that is that it requires someone to set up and host an Azure app.

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I tried my hand at it and got a basic test running. I wouldn't want to pay for the app myself if it grow beyond the free tier.

clear ferry
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Does it ? Because when I ran the windows version of that I just entered my credentials and it grabs the status from azure graphapi I belive ?

deft pewter
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Take a look at the source code. It definitely needs an app running.

clear ferry
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yeah, the windows app worked perfectly

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it's just cumbersome to have to run a app for it

deft pewter
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The desktop app (and any custom component) needs to auth against an Azure app, which returns a short-lived token and refresh token. The short-lived token is then used by the desktop app to make the Graph API queries.

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I think you only need to go back to the Azure app when your refresh token has expired but that still means you need to have the Azure app running non-stop for all users.

clear ferry
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aye, but the app does the refresh then I guess

dusky plank
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it also runs on a pi, wonder how that works then

deft pewter
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I wonder if the HA devs would be open to hosting the Azure app... costs should be low to zero and it means it's owned by someone trusted and central to the project.

dusky plank
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oh ok so it's only pulling data from the azure graph, no local access to the teams.exe at all

deft pewter
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The presence endpoints in the Graph API are clever. Only exposes loads of detail about yourself but I think you can get basic detail about others.

clear ferry
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it's really fast though, if I filmed pressing my status button in teams, I couldn't pan my camera fast enough to see the change

forest edge
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why not just use a marker on a blank white cardboard and sit that in front of the camera?

deft pewter
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πŸ˜„

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Yeah, it's quick, atx. Just sucks to have that desktop app running all the time.

clear ferry
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exactly

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and I use it to control HA lights via webhooks

deft pewter
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I can't make any promises but I have a week off coming up and might try to set up the HA dev environment again and have a go.

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Making a custom component can't be that hard, right?

clear ferry
deft pewter
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Pretty sure it'd have to stay a custom component though. One of the rules for integrations is that they use official Python libraries, right? Can't do handrolled stuff.

clear ferry
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I believe so, although I am not a DEVELOPER

deft pewter
clear ferry
deft pewter
dusky plank
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make it a container and a full fledged addon ? why shouldn't this run in a container?

clear ferry
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Oh, that might be a good angle

deft pewter
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Why should it need an add-on? It's basic.

clear ferry
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addon 🀒

deft pewter
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It's a few REST calls, perfect for an integration.

dusky plank
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I'm just lazy, I can write code but if you can just pack it in a container thats enough for me πŸ˜„

clear ferry
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I should start playing with AWS Lambda

deft pewter
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Lambda is sweeeeet. Especially when you couple it with Step Functions.

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You can build out applications as a fancy flow chart and just build one piece at a time. Great for encapsulation.

clear ferry
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and free for the most part

deft pewter
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I'm in the middle of building a payment file processor which will eventually support a ton of formats, transforming the data and pushing them into another service.

zealous cobalt
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I have a quick Q regarding HA, nothing technical more practicality for my guests:
I plan to run HA on a separate local network, but this would surely mean people would have to switch to my local wifi on their devices to actually use HA. Other than having a few old devices that are dedicated HA (almost like remotes) whats the best way to avoid users having to switch between wifi networks?

deft pewter
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Once we build out the first file format, the others are just a case of dropping in another branch of the Step Function.

clear ferry
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@zealous cobalt proper routing and firewall rules

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although if you don't know that, you shouldn't be "securing" your network

deft pewter
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Also... #general-archived for support questions that don't fit in the other channels. This one's not for HA support of any kind πŸ˜‰

zealous cobalt
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@deft pewter I thought the #general-archived channel may have been the correct, apologies.
@clear ferry thanks

deft pewter
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and free for the most part
@clear ferry You just reminded me... I have a troll Reddit bot running in Lambda. I haven't paid a penny for it yet πŸ˜„

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I've been trying to ignore it... my bot has more karma than my personal account 🀣

clear ferry
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🀣

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wtf

deft pewter
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Apparently its best post got 1.5k karma 🀣

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Lambda is set to run on a schedule. It queries for the most recent comment with 'underrated comment' and replies with a snarky canned response.

clear ferry
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so basically it is just you

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in lambda form

deft pewter
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Basically

clear ferry
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Yeah discord , that sounds like me

clever mortar
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Murderfly more likely

clear ferry
deft pewter
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I'm starting to think Butcher is atx's role model.

hushed basalt
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What *IF atx is butcher

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complete with ridiculous cockney accent

deft pewter
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I don't think Cockneys can cope with snow. The south of England grinds to a halt after a light flurry.

hushed basalt
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I have no idea how that accent passed screen testing

last cedar
forest edge
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What *IF atx is butcher
@hushed basalt we would have to be seeing him through a fun house mirror if that were the case

deft pewter
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I think I'd rather gouge my eyes out

clear ferry
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Fixing the wife's 1989 Gameboy

forest edge
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a real man would have converted it to a lipo

hushed basalt
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Explosive game boy

clear ferry
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Wife got me for father's day

dusky plank
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german rasierer?

clear ferry
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JAWOHL

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now to slowly cut myself to death

deft pewter
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DE fo' life

low harness
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Those can be rather agressive, in my experience. A bit too much of the blade is sticking out on the underside.

deft pewter
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I'm pleasantly surprised so many people here use them. I thought they were still really niche.

clear ferry
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You should see me shave then, I shave at 900kmph usually

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so this will be fun

deft pewter
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Maybe it's just because we all frequent /r/wickededge...

clear ferry
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I only asked for this since you and @clever mortar recommended it @deft pewter 🀣

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and I wanted something proper for my head shaves

low harness
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Hope you got a good quality brush too.

clever mortar
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Just get some Feather blades and you'll soon be shaving 3mm under your skin πŸ˜›

deft pewter
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They're great. They take a bit of practice to get right but you'll get a good shave out of it.

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I sometimes don't even go against the grain and shaves still come out pretty close. With and then across (or even just with) is usually enough.

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Less chance of cuts and razor burn that way too.

clear ferry
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that'll take time to get used to, I'm used to going both ways

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with no fear of life

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🀣

clever mortar
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You want a Yaqi synthetic brush IMO

deft pewter
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I just got a cheap set from Shave Lounge to get started. Can't recommend them anymore now... they've closed their store 😦

clever mortar
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A lot of experimentation with angles and blades is required too - never mind soaps πŸ˜„

deft pewter
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I'm sure you can get similar stuff elsewhere. It was just a bundle with a DE razor, sample set of blades and a synthetic brush.

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Eh... I don't think I can tell much difference between the blades. Settled on Feathers in the end anyway.

clever mortar
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Oh, I can... at least my face can 🀣

deft pewter
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Only got 3 soaps so far too and that'll last years πŸ˜„

clever mortar
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Feather are the closest and most likely to nick the skin, at least with my razor

deft pewter
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It's nice having aftershave balms too, especially after a close shave.

clever mortar
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Yeah, I switched to balm before I switched to DE

deft pewter
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Alcohol-free?

clever mortar
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Yup

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My skin is way happier

deft pewter
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I have no idea why people think alcohol-based balms/splashes are better. All that nonsense about killing bacteria...

clever mortar
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I've got an alum block for that

deft pewter
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They're way too harsh on skin. Give me some aloe any day.

clever mortar
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Alum blocks are also handy deoderants πŸ˜„

deft pewter
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Ever used those styptic matches? Those are good fun... they bloody sting if you use them on a nick.

clever mortar
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Aye, I have those for when I travel

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I've got a little tube of Proraso gel for home

deft pewter
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I've never tried the gel. I have a bottle each of the white and green Proraso lotions.

clever mortar
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Heals, without the sting

hearty depot
deft pewter
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Those adjustable ones look awesome. I'm just scared I'll start hoarding if I start buying different types πŸ˜„

hearty depot
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The adjusting is actually useful as f.
did not think at first that it would make a difference

clear ferry
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that wasn't as bad as I had feared

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I only nicked myself once

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althought it isn't as close as I am used to

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because F.E.A.R

hearty depot
clear ferry
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I need to buy a brush and some froth though, just using the ye old regular can stuff now

last cedar
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Plucking hair is far more effective....

clear ferry
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it's also a mental disorder

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🀣

hearty depot
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a full beard is even more effective and a final solution

clear ferry
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A German mentioned Final Solution

hearty depot
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πŸ˜‰

clear ferry
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Not many people know that daughter board is a thing though

low harness
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Technically, pretty much any expansion card is a daughter board, right? Like graphics cards and modems and stuff.

clear ferry
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Depends on your definition

low harness
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I'll define that as a yes

clear ferry
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Usually I see it used about smaller cards on expansion cards

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So, a secondary cache on a controller etc

forest edge
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yes this

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anything that adds new functionality doesn't really seem like a good fit, but just expanding whats there does

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I don't get why gilbert plugs aren't more common

clear ferry
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Never seen one of those before

dusky plank
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so intel's igpu is already on the fatherboard, then any dedicated gpu is a daughter board? πŸ€”
I'll find myself out ok 🚢

clear ferry
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We usually use these

forest edge
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lol gilbert plugs are for mains.. ohh wait, you probably do use that on mains

clear ferry
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@dusky plank rather I would say if you have a Tesla card with 4 Tesla gpus on it, the 4 GPUs are daughter boards

forest edge
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they are also called slide plugs and vampire plugs for xmas light extensions

low harness
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Holy crap you'd use that on mains?

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Wait? You have SINGLE INSULATED mains?

forest edge
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what atx linked is not a gilbert plug

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thats 12v

deft pewter
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You have insulated mains?!

clear ferry
low harness
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Yeah. That's what I found. Could be ok for low current dc applications, maybe.

clear ferry
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They have their puny 120v you know

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πŸ₯³

forest edge
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they are rated for 125v

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around 8amp

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i mean they are for xmas lights.. just how much current does xmas lights in your area draw? lol

low harness
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And what if you punch it through the cable just a hair offset?

forest edge
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kind of hard to do that

low harness
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Doesn't matter what the light draws. A nail through both conductors will draw whatever it can until something burns.

forest edge
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they specific fit spt 1 cord

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thats not how ac works..

clear ferry
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I thought @low harness knew power

forest edge
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lol plug in an extension cord with nothing attached and watch it burn.. that be scary as hell lol

low harness
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You're punching a nail into the wire. If that nail is a bit crooked, or the wire isn't exactly to spec you can definitely get a short, is what I'm saying.

clear ferry
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Seems @forest edge has bested 🀏

deft pewter
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Nawwww, thomas wins this round.

low harness
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But I won't stop you from using them, as long as you're not forcing me to. I just don't like it.

forest edge
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You're punching a nail into the wire. If that nail is a bit crooked, or the wire isn't exactly to spec you can definitely get a short, is what I'm saying.
@low harness obviously, but then on that same token any idiot can electrocute them self with anything plugged into mains

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how do you think the plugs on pre-wired xmas lights connect? it's the same means except those plugs are not made to be removable

low harness
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Sure. I guess what really surprises me is that there's only one layer of insulation on the wires anyway.

forest edge
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same with xmas lights..

deft pewter
#

While we're talking about idiots and electrocution, let me grab a photo of something completely safe...

tidal bronze
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What kind of plug is that ?

deft pewter
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I didn't want to wire in my Sonoffs. Made that perfectly safe harness for it instead πŸ˜„

clear ferry
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Making an etherkiller?

deft pewter
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It's a UK plug.

clear ferry
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Standard UK yes

forest edge
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What kind of plug is that ?
@tidal bronze over the mountain and under the bridge type of plug

clever mortar
#

Also found in other parts of the world

deft pewter
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230V AC. Fortunately, I have the brains to check (multiple times) that it was turned off before wiring it up to something.

clear ferry
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Even how much I hate the UK plug, I prefer it over the US plug any day

tidal bronze
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That's a one socket per wall kinda deal.

deft pewter
#

I imagine there are other people that would lick their fingers and touch the live wires.

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One per wall? They're not that big.

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Plus at least we have an earth pin.

clear ferry
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Bigger than type f atleast

dusky plank
#

type F gang representin' πŸ™‹β€β™‚οΈ

tidal bronze
#

I imagine there are other people that would lick their fingers and touch the live wires.
@deft pewter always work on live wires, why are you supoose to turn off breakers πŸ˜†

deft pewter
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Do type F not have earth either?

clear ferry
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Yes they do

dusky plank
#

they have on top and bottom

clear ferry
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Or the middle

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If you are French

deft pewter
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@deft pewter always work on live wires, why are you supoose to turn off breakers πŸ˜†
@tidal bronze I had an electrician round for something I didn't fancy doing myself. He started work without isolating anything and almost blew my boiler when he shorted two live terminals...

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I think I trust myself more than I trust the 'qualified' people...

dusky plank
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just for small (consumer)devices they can come without any earth

clear ferry
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Appliance leads

deft pewter
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Gotcha. I wouldn't want to run something like a washing machine without earth.

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At least our sockets are all standard, so it doesn't matter if the earth pin isn't actually wired up inside the plug.

forest edge
#

why couldn't you guys just call it ground.. i mean earth...

clear ferry
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Ground and earth is not the same

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Atleast not here

forest edge
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wtf you refering to earth as? the neutral?

dusky plank
#

I never got the US Style plugs to really stay inside the socket, especially on walls I can't tell if its falling off or maybe just straight up will set the house on fire

forest edge
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you are doing something horribly wrong then

clear ferry
#

Older houses have their own earth pin stuck into the ground outside the house, while newer house have ground from the utility line

forest edge
#

here ground is in the ground

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I have two rods stuck in the ground here

dusky plank
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havent been in the US for 10 years, can only speak for SA πŸ˜›

forest edge
#

8ft deep[

deft pewter
#

wtf you refering to earth as? the neutral?
@forest edge Earth is ground, at least in UK parlance.

clear ferry
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We don't do those pins anymore, for the last.... 40 years

deft pewter
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Live is +ve, neutral is -ve, earth is where the current goes when you fuck up.

forest edge
#

We don't do those pins anymore, for the last.... 40 years
@clear ferry norway doesn't use ground for anything in residential?

clear ferry
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We get it from utility

forest edge
#

norwegian logic..

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ground from the cloud

tidal bronze
#

So no GFCI ?

clear ferry
#

Sure we have

forest edge
#

he can, but if lightning strikes close enough to his home his hair dryer is going to change his hair color

tidal bronze
#

So dump a wire in water and GFCI circuit completes at the power plant ?

clear ferry
#

We also have three phase into houses

forest edge
#

norwegians.. i swear.. no wonder your pop remains low..

tidal bronze
#

Lol. Too advanced for sure. 🀣

dusky plank
#

induction heaters usually need three phases? who doesn't have three phases?

low harness
#

So dump a wire in water and GFCI circuit completes at the power plant ?
At the transformer down the street, most likely.

tidal bronze
#

@low harness πŸ€”

clear ferry
#

On our three phase systems I think the GFCI measures the voltage on ground compared to the neutral input from utility

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If memory serves right

low harness
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(which is a building, and not some tin can on a pole)

clear ferry
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Been 20 years since I studied this

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Also there is seldom more than a few hundred metres from the transformer to your house in residential areas

forest edge
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ours is grounded all over

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in the homes, and at various poles. not just where the transformer resides

tidal bronze
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Shortest drain path to ground

forest edge
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street light poles will often have grounded lines here

low harness
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3-phase GFCI measures the combined current in all three phase conductors and neutral. If there's a problem, the sum will not be zero.

clear ferry
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Exactly

forest edge
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I remember in the 80's when this house wasn't properly grounded cause only a few things actually required it and most outlets were just two prong. somehow the cable line would get back feed of power either through the tvv or vcr or something. it wasn't enough to start a fire or anything but you could feel it touching the coax end as well as it would kill the the first gen cable boxes over and ovver lol

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went away once the house was rewired with modren standards

low harness
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Ah good old hot-chassis tvs

forest edge
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i don't think i seen but one tv that had a metal casing

clear ferry
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Think we started doing three phase as standard here in the late 80s

forest edge
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I know old toasters use to be a concern lol

low harness
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Yeah, but the ground plane in the tv would be connected to one of the mains wires. Works ok (enough) if you have polarized plugs...

forest edge
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Think we started doing three phase as standard here in the late 80s
@clear ferry isn't that when your country first got electricity?

forest edge
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thankfully whatever was causing the back feed the current was low

low harness
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Could also have been just induced current from parallell cables, I suppose. Can be a bit nasty to touch, but seldom dangerous.

forest edge
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if that was the case it would have remained after rewiring the house

low harness
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I measured some 600 V in just a few meter run from a breaker to a lamp in my old house...

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Yeah... probably

forest edge
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wtf

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was it a 600v bulb?

low harness
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No. Just on the open circuit. As soon as it got any load it fell below measurable levels.

clear ferry
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Childhood friend of mine started working as a sparky, his first job was to wire up a classroom of computers, well, since we have three phase in he ended up with 400v at the plugs, great fun when he turned on the breaker

forest edge
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you got that circle wiring think Tinkerer was talking about that one time

clever mortar
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Ring mains

forest edge
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where your outlets make complete loops

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yea that

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I could see that somehow causing more current to go where it shouldn't

clever mortar
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Doesn't actually

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Electricity simply has to paths it can follow

forest edge
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unless there is some kind of grounding short in the line or something actually drawing that power like an appliance it's just not possible to have strange things like that happen here

deft pewter
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Ring mains is genius.

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I'm not sure why you think it's risky.

forest edge
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having power come from both sides of an outlet just sounds sketchy to me, saftey wise

deft pewter
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It doesn't come from both sides. Your outlet still only has a live and a neutral. The live side is connected to a live ring, the neutral to a neutral ring.

forest edge
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I meant as in the run

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if you disconnect either end, the outlet still has poower

deft pewter
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I don't see your point. If you're not the one installing the ring, you never care about connecting/disconnecting either end.

forest edge
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nevermind

deft pewter
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And installing ring mains... well, you'd get a sparkie in.

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You'd never break the ring. You'd disconnect whatever connects to the L/N/E at the bottom.

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Your breakers are between those contacts and your feed.

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Any device added to the ring just bridges the L and N.

forest edge
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it just sounds sketchy. like a freak accident waiting to happen

deft pewter
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Tried and tested for decades without consequence... πŸ˜‰

forest edge
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well.. i'm sure there has been a few issues lol

deft pewter
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We have some of the world's highest safety standards. We wouldn't be using it if it was problematic.

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Then there's Murica with that knob and tube nonsense...

forest edge
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thats phased out

low harness
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I can see a problem with it in that the power may not be broken to an outlet just because you removed the cable you "know" comes from the central. But on the other hand, you shouldn't assume that anyway.

forest edge
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it's not just that, there is less resistance to the appliance drawing power and unless both ends are rated at half of what the total should meet then I could see a fire hazard

deft pewter
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Ring circuits are rated to 30A, apparently, and can serve any number of outlets/devices.

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Maybe I'm the one that doesn't get it. I'm no expert with electrics... I just don't see how the design is in any way unsafe.

low harness
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But if one side is disconnected, you're suddenly at half the rating with no indication. That's a good point aginst them

forest edge
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and what happens if the device exceeds that rating and the breaker dosen't trip nor the outlet dosen't melt before the line?

deft pewter
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If the breaker doesn't trip, the breaker is the problem, not the ring.

forest edge
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again.. saftey issue

deft pewter
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Same issue that applies to any circuit with a faulty breaker πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

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You always want a predictable part to fail, right?

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Fail at a fuse/breaker so you don't have a fire in your wall cavities.

forest edge
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with a single line the line melts and it either catches fire or just stops feeding power.. there is no secondary line to pick up

deft pewter
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And with two? The first might catch fire, in which case you're in the same situation... or the first doesn't and the second might, which gives you a second shot before catastrophe.

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And to be honest, the potential of two sources of fire compared to one doesn't bother me much. If my house is on fire, it's on fire.

forest edge
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in theory if the hot side was to seperate just enough the ability for the appliance to continue to draw a charge from the other line would more likely cause arcing off the line that seperated i would think

deft pewter
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Arcing is an issue for all high voltage setups. Nothing specific to ring mains.

leaden frost
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Is nabucasa down?

deft pewter
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Connect your terminals securely and use insulation tape. Sorted.

leaden frost
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Sorry

last cedar
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Connect terminals securely with tape!?

deft pewter
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Sure. I never use screwdrivers.

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I assume trash pandas don't either.

forest edge
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tinkerer is outlets with built in breakers/fuse standard?

deft pewter
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Everything is fused here. 13A for major appliances, lower for other things.

last cedar
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Screw-whaters, Mono?

low harness
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In UK the outlet has a breaker, and the plug a fuse, right?

hushed basalt
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Breakers on breakers

deft pewter
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The outlet doesn't have a breaker, no. The ring does.

last cedar
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I love the fuses and the always correct side phase in the UK plugs

deft pewter
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Our consumer unit (the central 'fusebox' for the property) has a breaker for each ring.

hushed basalt
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UK outlets are better than ours

forest edge
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I thought I saw pictures of the outlets over there having a built in breaker of some type but didn't knwo if that was standard or code

hushed basalt
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We have stupid straight moulded plugs as standard

deft pewter
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If I want to isolate all the upstairs lighting, for example, that's on one breaker.

hushed basalt
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Which means you need about 5 inches of clearance between furniture and the wall in front of an outlet

last cedar
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There are 1g wall outlets with fuses. For like kitchen extractor fans

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But not normal wall sockets

deft pewter
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When you say breaker, do you mean like fuses and RCD's or do you just mean a switch, @forest edge ?

forest edge
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what about switches? I see outlets have switches too, those standard?

deft pewter
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Switches are almost universal, yes. Not sure if they're code.

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Per-outlet where a fascia has more than one.

low harness
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🀦 sorry. I meant the outlet has a switch (?), not a breaker.

forest edge
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well ina way the switch itself could be the fail safe

deft pewter
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The switch doesn't do anything unless manually operated though. It's not a safety feature at all.

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Unless you use my stupid fly lead with exposed mains wires... πŸ˜„

forest edge
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yea but it could be designed to fail first thus cutting opff power to that outlet

low harness
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Everyone should have a suicide-wire. So useful for experimenting.

hushed basalt
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3 phase 440v is great. Not really needed in my town house though unless I got a fast car charger

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But it's a lot cheaper to put in at the start I guess

deft pewter
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It'd be the fuse that fails first, Sonoma. And it's why every plug has a suitably rated fuse for the device it's on.

low harness
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I've seen some people add crocodile clamps to theirs, but I prefer WAGO connectors.

forest edge
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I always picture australia having a slightly better grid system then say Korea lol

hushed basalt
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Next house we buy we'll most likely have to spend a lot to get a circuit to the stove for induction

deft pewter
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You used to be able to open up plugs but now they tend to come sealed for safety.

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Even the Salus smartplug I just got has triangle screwholes 😐

forest edge
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lol

hushed basalt
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Or those one way screws they're fun

forest edge
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all your outlets come with leads too not terminals?

deft pewter
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I don't understand the question...

forest edge
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lead as in sealed with wires coming out to connect to mains vs connecting mains to screw termianls on the outlet

hushed basalt
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Would make it easy for wago I guess

deft pewter
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We use plugs πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

hushed basalt
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He means on the back side

forest edge
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trying to find a picture lol

deft pewter
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Ah. Then... usually 3 core insulated cable. Live/neutral/earth.

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And for a ring mains... you'd have a stretch of that to an outlet, and another stretch that continues around the ring.

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Like the image I shared earlier

hushed basalt
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🀒

forest edge
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leads are wires actually coming out of the outlet that you connect using wagos or whatever

deft pewter
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Old wiring colours but same idea:

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Screw terminals on the back, usually the deep ones that you feed the bare end into rather than looping around a screw.

forest edge
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ah ok

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can't believe I can't find a picture of leads. they are on every smart switch

deft pewter
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You can also see there what I meant about the ring mains. 2 x 3-core coming out of the cavity, one from each 'end' of the ring.

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We also sometimes add spurs to a ring, like if you want to extend to a new room without replacing the entire ring.

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There was a spur on my first image.

forest edge
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why the hell does your terminals use such small ass screws

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like those shellies

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shellys

hushed basalt
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For safety

deft pewter
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Why do they need to be bigger? πŸ˜„

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They're hidden away, no metal contacts that might arc.

hushed basalt
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Screws are live terminals

forest edge
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I had to buy stranded 14awg just to get a wire in the terminalks

deft pewter
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I told you... some of the highest safety standards in the world πŸ˜‰

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Aussies understand this too πŸ˜„

forest edge
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my 12 awg solid copper wire wouldn't fit

deft pewter
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I can't remember coming across anything but stranded in my home.

hushed basalt
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Maybe you wouldn't need such big cable if you had 240v

forest edge
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I run 12awg over 14 because many of my breakers are 20amp not 15

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14 is standard and more common for most homes here

hushed basalt
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Our breakers are 16A standard for outlets

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At 240v

forest edge
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standard here is 15

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but i wanted more juice lol

hushed basalt
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How do you even use a kettle with tnat

forest edge
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wrong side of the pond

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we don't hold our tea cups with pinky finger extended

deft pewter
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They threw all the tea in the harbour, remembeR? πŸ˜‰

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Along with all their u's

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Tea doesn't taste the same if you don't extend your pinkie, btw.

hushed basalt
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1800w from an outlet 🀒

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2400w is where it's at

scenic radish
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Ah yes, saving those precious seconds

hushed basalt
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2400VA to be precise

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TIME MATTERS

deft pewter
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2990W here... 13A x 230V

hushed basalt
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YOU DON'T HAVE KIDS YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND

forest edge
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isn't using an electric kettle over a a fire stove one a little... danky..?

scenic radish
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What, those little shits can't wait patiently for their tea @hushed basalt?

low harness
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We threw out the electric kettle when we got an induction stove.

scenic radish
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Uncle Roger doesn't like induction stove

deft pewter
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But can you put your induction stove on a timer? I have my coffee machine primed with a smart plug turned off ready for my morning routine.

low harness
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I don't boil water for coffee. What do you think of me?

deft pewter
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Are you a cold pour guy?

low harness
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No, but I stay at 97 degrees.

deft pewter
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Celsius? You should see a doctor.

scenic radish
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Ha, bamboozled

low harness
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So the coffee machine is indeed prepared and timed for the morning.

scenic radish
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I mean, 97 is probably fine. Right?

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Obviously must be

low harness
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It's what I found tastes best to me.

scenic radish
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I heat it to whatever temperature my coffeemaker does lol

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Could be 90C for all I know and then everyone here would make fun of me

deft pewter
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Our coffee machine is pretty basic. No control over temp here either.

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Nah... cooler is better. You don't want to burn the beans.

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It's like when people ask for their lattes extra hot. They're just going to burn the proteins in the milk and give it a bitter taste.

scenic radish
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"I'd like my latte extra shitty pls"

clear ferry
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Aws cloud practitioner, passed

deft pewter
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Are you getting ready for the day when servers disappear?

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(kidding, I know cloud runs on servers...)

forest edge
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when you cut the ip65 led strips with the coating, do you have to like melt that coating to expose the leads or does it peel back?

clear ferry
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Cloud

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🀒 🀒 🀒

vocal mauve
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Does anyone know how to remove a dictionary from python?

scenic radish
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carefully

clear ferry
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violently

vocal mauve
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Worked it out now lmao

low harness
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del

vocal mauve
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I just do the entry again and it overwrites

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I forgot capital F on false thats why lmao

deft pewter
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rm -rf / might work too

vocal mauve
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rm -rf / might work too
@deft pewter woah thanks bro

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I unlcked 64gb ram now

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6900MHZ

clear ferry
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sudo rm -rf /usr you mean

vocal mauve
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sudo rm -rf /usr you mean
@clear ferry Jheeze another 4TB storage thansk

clear ferry
tame sand
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now the only thing left is to download some rgb

clear ferry
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RGB 🀒

vocal mauve
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HPE 🀒

clever mortar
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Handy way to clear out space and know what you removed:

find / -type f -exec truncate -s 0 {} \; 
clear ferry
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Spicy shirts for Christmas this year

deft pewter
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That Divinyls pun in great.

last cedar
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Didn't end up getting a Nokia 5.3. Went with a G8 Power. Was also reasonably priced. Don't need NFC. Hoping it will be okay :)

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Missed the reduced price on the Nokia

clear ferry
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NFC is a must, for payment, travel and yubikey for me

last cedar
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Just need to get a case and screen protector, she is very rough with stuff

deft pewter
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I couldn't live without NFC now. I hate carrying a wallet.

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Oh, it's for someone else? An old person?

last cedar
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A person older than me yes

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So an old person

deft pewter
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πŸ˜„

clear ferry
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So someone over 95 then?

last cedar
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πŸ˜‚

clear ferry
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Good to know

last cedar
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Confession

deft pewter
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Old people don't need NFC. They don't know how it works

clear ferry
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πŸ‡

last cedar
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I have never used NFC

clear ferry
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My father is 70 and uses NFC a lot

last cedar
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In a phone

deft pewter
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If I want to just pay for a coffee or something, I'll use my phone.

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If I could figure out how to get my phone to simulate my work pass, I wouldn't even carry a wallet at the office.

last cedar
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You buy coffee!?

dusky plank
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it's a blessing for payments, except you need to take ID with you then you still need a wallet or sth

deft pewter
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Used to buy coffee... no office since March.

clear ferry
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Norway migrated their drivers licenses to an app, so we don't need it physically anymore

deft pewter
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Our work passes are just the MiFare Classic 1k, I think. Easy to read/clone... but phones can't simulate them for a scanner.

clear ferry
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Except when going abroad I guess...

last cedar
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We have mifare and prox in our ID06 badges and I have a multitag as well. I have NFC turned off in my current phone. Going to run desfire at home if I can get enough readers

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She works with horses btw

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Not seen a horse with an nfc reader

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Yet

clear ferry
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I wanted to get an NFC implant when I still did rota, I had 35 access cards, but there was too many different technologies so I skipped it

deft pewter
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Yeah... with horses, you still have to insert the card in the slot.

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Different technologies just means you put a chip in each finger or something.

last cedar
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Yeah, exactly

deft pewter
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But yeah... if I could have one of those subdermal capsules with a MiFare in it, I'd go for it.

clear ferry
last cedar
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Get with 1k 4k if you can

deft pewter
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I wouldn't tell anyone at work about it either. I'd just let them wonder how I could automagically open doors.

clear ferry
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Where is my integration @deft pewter

deft pewter
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I haven't had a week off yet πŸ˜„

clear ferry
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You promised me it by the end of the week

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And you meant last week

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I'm deducting your pay

last cedar
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Oof

clear ferry
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It's for church honey

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Next

hearty depot
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it would be just.. Fun I guess 🀣

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Device Warranty: 30 Days

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I mean what should go wrong

dusky plank
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is 30 days even legal?

deft pewter
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Nope. Not in the EU.

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2 years statutory warranty.

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Just buy it on a credit card. If it breaks and they won't fix it, chargeback πŸ˜„

orchid rose
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I don't think it's that straight forward?

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Warranty is given by the manufacturer but there is the consumer protection laws, but I'm not sure if they give any exact time that a device has to work without issues