https://www.webphotosource.net/img/source/bzkid7zbkg/exact/FRR-T_BH-Fraser-Fir_LEDM_SSC.jpeg?keep=c&crop=yes&u=7mzq6p&q=70 I bought one with lights already in it, I like dem
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that tree skirt built in?
no
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my girlfriend has some smelly skirt she was handed down
Phrasing
i'm gonna get that twinkly tree when ours dies lol
lmao
I wanted an old school tree. I bought some hand painted ornaments and a fancy ribbon
my girlfriend has some smelly skirt she was handed down
@night zodiac lol
I'm assuming we're talking tree-skirts...
yep
no, women skirts
same thing
atx skirts, same thing as well
Women trees god damnit
@clever mortar's kilt
Leapo, I am pretty sure I have seen that same scenario with DMT
@scenic radish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carry_On_Up_the_Khyber
Can I pay you for AWS questions?
I can have more money?
Had to look up DMT... that doesn't look like something I'd want to mess with O.o
I'd rather pay someone else to do that shit or have management pay it out
Leapo, two types of DMT
frog DMT and plant DMT, lol
frog looks way too fucky for me
I mean, I already have a BAD time with just weed (anxiety, claustrophobia, etc).. I'm afraid to try anything harder than that
atx, you an AWS whore or not? π
ok, extras?
πΈ
Damn you're cheap
@clever mortar that's only the per hour engagement, if planned π€£
As I said π
If it is a we need you now it's $2000 extra to start looking
That's more like it
I note that you don't mention which timezone π
Those are the kinds of terms I gave my previous employer when I lost my job in a round of layoffs
"Call me for anything you want, here's my rate"
It's after 4pm in ... checks ... Australia, so I have to charge you double time
lol, I just do planned AWS shit a few hours a month that an AWS person would do a lot more confidently π
Helps to have worked with lawyers...
Is there a place to see a projected timeline of what the teams are working on? Like I'd love to see themes / future things that are projected for 0.118 0.119 or event current sprint, maybe even contribute to specific themes?
GitHub
Also hilarious: They let me go 3 days before all their SSL certs expired, and I handled the renewals...
Like a read only trello board, I didn't see anything for github projects
So they called me real quick
@cedar herald you go by open PRs for wahts to come
ugh
lol
there has to be a theme people are working on and a dashboard / standup every day no?
theres no timelines in an open source project where people donate their own free time
Nope
for nabu?
There's X developers working somewhat independently on X*Y integrations
yeah I don't buy that there is some direction
There is for the core
Oh, shit, people have free will @shy comet ?
yeah and that's what I'm asking about lol
But https://github.com/home-assistant/architecture/issues covers some of that
LOL
Smithers in chaps... appropriate
Are they assless?
i think the state of the union last year went over what to expect didnt it?
Chassless Aps
The chaps appear to be, but he's wearing pants under them
i dont think weve done all that was mentioned there
It's like I look at the rc blogs to see what's coming but wish there was here are some of our goals that may or may not happen next
the RC blog covers whts been merged
what may or may not happen would be the open PR list
yep, exactly
and with so many dam pr's and things going on community wise I figured it would be nice to see what the teams were thinking of what they wanted to accomplish, that might help others contribute to areas around what the team wants to do...
whenever there is some type of direction like that.....it usually starts with a PR and other devs follow suit
As mentioned above though, most "teams" aren't working for NC
or starts from Architecture issue
If somebody wants to provide an integration for ... SpaceX, then they'll do it and the first anybody hears may be the PR for merging it
yeah I totally get that
but each release seems to have a common theme and I was wondering where that comes from and how we see what the next one will be and participate
especially now that we have 5 or 6 nabu employees?? to help shape the direction
that theme always comes from a starting PR
either from that release or a previous release
youd have to build something and chat about it in the dev channels like they do
like I'd love to see the conversation that says we want to do xyz this will span multiple releases but we need to at least get this done.
got it
architecture repo has some of that discussion too
will try and watch dev channels more :-). I just know in my oss projects I have even super high level trello or github projects board and I'm not tied to any of it but it's things I'd like to tackle in a "sprint"
theres no real single place to find what your looking for i dont think
I'd like to be more active but with the limited time it would be nice to contribute feedback / code where it's being used than to submit a massive pr on something.
but subscribing to be notified of every pr well you are asking for pain
There's a stack of feature requests on the forum, some of which may well be relatively small pieces
There's a sea of open issues
yeah, I even have open issues
The core repo alone has over 1K
work on what you think is the best use of your time
I really need to try and get my Kohler shower integration into core and rewrite it to use config flow.
or work on something that you would like to see in HA yourself
shower integration eh?
thats cool
https://github.com/home-assistant/architecture/issues/74 link in the bottom to the github repo
thing is I got super excited to work on that and contribute to core then no feedback or nothing from core team about shower type and then that was demotivating.
well u got 1 response but that was it lol
yeah
fabaff? Their comment seems reasonable and pragmatic.
They don't want a new component for every possible device type when the generic ones would work fine.
you can always submit a PR too and start the discussion there.....i know on the core side if they feel something belongs to the architecture repo they will ask you to start a discussin there
but they dont usually close ti, they try to guide you on the path
yeah, but those generic ones don't really fit and there are multiple other devices that would work with a water valve or something
Sounds worth an architecture issue then π
but each release seems to have a common theme
For the most part, that is a coinsidence, but many also watch every single PR that is opened to get a feel of what's going on
Ordered a Xiaomi Honeywell smoke detector for 11.11 π€£
Let's see if it is any good
Anyone have any opinions on the Nokia 5.3? Specifically the 3GB RAM model, just as a budget phone. 25% off atm
If it won't get updates in 2 years from now it's a hard no for me personally.
Eh, I replace my phone every two years anyway π€£
It should until 2023 afaik
Eh, I replace my phone every two years anyway π€£
@clear ferry quad jr?
I think I've had my phone for 3 years already and still have no plans to replace it. π€·ββοΈ
It works... only thing I'd like that it doesn't have is wireless charging but I'm not about to replace a phone just for that.
My phone was launched in 2018, though I only bought it in January of 2020
@deft pewter You might actually be able to add wireless charging, heh
Add it? Like with one of those battery cases? Pass.
I mean, external is an option, but I've had phones where you could add wireless charging with a replacement back-panel
My LG G3 was like that. Base model came without NFC or wireless charging, but all you had to do was snap on a new back with the antenna stickers on it
OnePlus 6. Body is one piece, so that rules that option out.
Oof
I love the phone though. Even after this long, battery life is still a couple of days. I cared more about NFC / contactless payments than wireless charging.
Plus to get a decent feature set these days, you gotta pay closer to a grand. I paid around Β£400 or something for this.
The external options are quite clever, though not for everyone
Slim cable fits inside most phone cases
That's actually not a bad solution
My only complaint with those is that you have to take your case off to plug in a cable
Still sad that most phones don't have replicable backs / batteries anymore...
I think I'd be happy with that compromise. I almost always charge my phone next to my bed overnight. It's not like I'd need to carry a wireless charger around or have a spare at the office (post-corona)
Stupid purse tricks: I have a portable USB battery bank that has a wireless charging pad on it. I can leave it in the pocket opposite the one where I place my phone, and the phone starts charging any time I tip it into my purse
Almost makes me want to carry a purse
I generally only use that for long trips out (vacations, conferences) though... battery bank makes the purse kinda heavy π
That starts to nag at your shoulder after a day of wandering a conference floor
What's a conference floor? π€£
I love my man purses
@deft pewter Oh, COVID humor, I get it now π
Wanna see my big sack you say
Last in-person con I attended was Defcon 27.
Just the small sack...
I also attended Defcon 28, but it was all online... thanks COVID...
Not that I've been to many but the lack of in-person tech events is about the only thing I miss.
WFH is great. Seeing fewer people is great.
The thinkgeek messenger bag of holding is my favourite one, I have three or four
Three or four different messenger bags that is, not three of that model
@deft pewter Lol, my coworkers were in a Teams meeting talking about how stressful it was working from home, how they'd been drinking more and gaining weight...
That's when I knew for sure I was the true introvert in the group
"I've lost like 10 lbs and I barely drink anymore since working from home... are y'all alright?"
I've gained weight but that's just because I stopped running. I'm far happier now that I don't have to commute and work in a noisy office.
Yes to full-time work from home
I did find the wave of 'introverts, teach us how to be good with loneliness' posts back at the beginning funny.
Yeah, losing an hour of my day to driving is not something I want to go back to without compensation
It's funny how management gets all huffy when you ask to be compensated for your commute. it's time taken from me in order to work, I wanna get paid for it.
If my company tell me to commute again, I'm definitely raising the question of compensation. To cover both time and fuel.
I had compensation for the driving@subtle pasture but still don't want it
WFH did not impact me at all. Same weight! May have lost 1 or 2 lbs.
Could be 6h to and from work every day
Get out! 6 hrs commute?
You couldn't pay me enough to commute 6 hours every day
If traffic piles up in winter I could easily have 4 hours home in the evening plus the two hours in
he rides a pedal bike. it's 6 hours anywhere for him
I worked in NYC for years. Hated 90 min commute one way. Never doing that again.
Usually my commute would be 45m each way
Haha. And I'm upset that our offices are moving across town and my 7 minute commute becomes 1 hour.
It's crazy how much less I'm spending on fuel, tires, lunches... I'm saving all kinds of money >_>
you mean just redirecting it towards other things
@subtle pasture I have all of that compensated anyway π€£
Gotta call up my auto insurance and re-estimate my millage to drop my rate
like online purchases and doordash lol
The only bit of WFH I dislike is that we bought a new car just before the pandemic. It doesn't get much use now and I like driving π
@forest edge Nah, I've been cooking a lot more recently. Groceries are cheap compared to eating out...
Redirecting those expenses is still better than wasting it on a commute.
This ^
I'd rather buy myself stuff than spent it on fuel.
The wife does well out of the arrangement too... I spend more on her now π
but then your place will start to look like @clear ferry 's garage
Work from home has actually had a noticeable impact on national carbon output
Of course!
It's kinda impressive how much better for the environment it is
Though strangely, the number of car accidents hasn't decreased proportionally with the number of cars on the road...
That's because the idiots are still driving...
Idiots are still driving on deserted roads, thinking they can now safely exceed the speed limit
And they can't
I occasionally hear traffic on a highway near me. The number of boy racers hasn't gone down...
π₯³ π₯³ π₯³
(I am completely guilty of exceeding the speed limit on a road left deserted by COVID, mind you...)
Like the first year here, -35c and 10cm snow every day
I drive 5mph under
We have some streets with 5mph limits here. Driving 5 under wouldn't get you far.
-20f is what Iβve seen here a couple of years. But not much snow.
There's a windy country road on my drive home from the office that's just too much fun not to speed through a lil' bit
-20ΒΊF is just above freezing, right? I like that kind of winter.
@deft pewter you sure it's 5mph? cause our slowest streets only go down to 15mph lol
Way below freezing. 32f is freezing temperature.
Yeah, 5mph... but usually it's private land like parking lots.
Ah... I can't do freedom units.
.f2c -20
:thermometer:
Fahrenheit To Celsius
-20 degrees fahrenheit = -28.89 degrees celsius!
Oof, too cold for me π
Driving 5-under can actually get you ticketed around here, lol
Only if you hold up traffic, surely?
Yeah, generally
No-one cares what you're doing if the road is clear.
You'll probably get a sobriety check, as well
π
@subtle pasture I seriously doubt that, even highways min are generally 20 mph lower lol
Driving 5-under on a California freeway is dangerous as fuck...
Speed limit: 65
Flow of traffic: 90
I almost typed something but I already know someone would jump all over
Go on...
lol
We give you enough stick already, it can't be worse π
Did you tell everyone about the ambient lighting you're setting up, Sonoma?
you mean the lamp behind the tv like what @clear ferry does?
Nah, your orange ambient shit π
thats for next years halloween
only holidays get ambient lighting around here
YouTube down?
not down, lagged to all hell
cat videos have turned into sloth videos?
the actual videos are the only thing unable to load lol
I should have checked online first before making changes to my network. π€£
must be rerouting through what Norway calls Fiber network right @clear ferry ?
lol
look up stouts, those things are awesome. then look up vvideos how they take down rabbits like 10 times thier size lol
Anybody here an electronics nerd with a passion for multimeters? π
Has anyone been able to get a harmony hub hooked up to HA?
@vague vale many have but #hardware-archived or #integrations-archived for help
Google Photos is getting rid of free storage
yeah i just saw that
Looks like self hosting will be even more important
Or throwing more money at Google
I use nextcloud on a NAS it works great!
something like that couldn't last forever lol
Looks like 15GB still free.
And anything before June 1, 2021 doesnβt count toward 15 GB
Yeah that'll get chewed up quick
Besides it's good to have original quality anyways
Nextdoor app says there was an uptick in Bidet sales with the pandemic going on lol
lol
Anybody here an electronics nerd with a passion for multimeters? π
@molten osprey show me what u got.
@young sigil trying to decide on a new hobby multimeter, betweem the AN870 and Holdpeak HP-770D
@young sigil count: HP = 40,000, Aneng = 20,000
ranges: all the same, except
- HP has .1 celcius, Aneng has only full degrees
- HP goes up to 40MOhm, Aneng to 200MOhm
display update frequency: HP = 5/sec, Aneng = 3/sec
continuity: HP takes 110ms, Aneng 20ms
burden voltage: HP = 142mV at 100mA, Aneng = 277mV at 100mA
backlight: HP = automatic, plus a light point in the mode dial, Aneng = manual
tolerances: HP is less accurate, VDC 0.1% vs 0.05%, ADC 1.0% vs 0.5% (although some write the Aneng is 0.5% VDC)
safety: both no high voltage protection, HP has the input shutters
What's your budget?
both well within my $50 budget (HP = $40, Aneng = $30)
US $ ?
yes
I have a thing to do but can get back to you in an hour or so.
@forest edge bidets are great I wish they were standard
ok. is there any conceivable way to control things in HA from your mac/windows keyboard shortcuts?
maybe if you could map a shortcut to an api call
what about the native mac app?
which native mac app?
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well, i will definitely check there. but @wet pilot sounds like you're maybe suggesting triggering a bash or script file with a shortcut, and having that script use some kind of MQTT command
yeah, probably the closest you can get
or the other way around, which I do for SSH commands from HA (shell_command)
windows could be the device host. HA could just have a shell_command switch for it
sorry. thinking out loud.
i think there's a thing out there to let your windows host do mqtt stuffs
sounds familiar. i've never used it though so don't know for sure
been meaning to try that. seems like it could be a rabbit hole
i mean, so's HA
was just thinking that in my head
i feel like every other night i change the logic in my automations/scripts
Oh, just you wait...
too much time on HA?
she's going to flip out when she sees my latest amazon order (more obscure smart devices)
yeah
she is now getting more upset than when i play videos games -- she actually WANTS me to play video games instead
hahah
find a smart device she likes to make it fun for her?
when i got a harmony hub my wife was stocked to get rid of all the remotes and consolidate
and it gave me IR devices and voice commands
voice is also a big thing too....somethings you never knew you needed until you try it when it comes to HA
yeah, i definitely sold her on that. she liked when she could start watching apple tv with voice via harmony
my wife also loves automated shower music
humidity sensor + smart speaker
never ahve to think about starting music again
but now it's like "do we really need a motion sensor in this room? can't i just say "alexa turn the lights on instead?"
motion lights is one of those you didnt know you need it till you have it IMO
yeah, need to roll out proper motion sensors eventually
automating to keep the nursery temperature to my sons liking was alose big
been using the terribad ecobee sensors for fan control
keeps him sleeping through the night
automated baby monitors too π
my bby monitors are RF so that's a no go for me. BUT! it is tricky to get the temperature right in there
i have an ecobee sensor in there, but unfortunately my house is a single pipe steam zone
yea temperature can be tricky but getting extra hours of sleep was a big win lol
automated baby monitor?
yea we use an input boolean to disable light automations, turn off speaker, kick in climate control automations and it also sends out certain mqtt messages depending on other input booleans like if its night time and will put the monitor in the Den or Bedroom based on that...it also puts it on the TV in PiP on the shield π
oh turns on his sound machine too
one input bool to rule them all!
ahah
oh gotcha
@molten osprey For hobby use, 40,000 count will be more useful if measuring 3.3V. Gets you better resolution, so HP has the advantage here. The k-type thermocouple probe for any meter is going to limit your accuracy to +/-1Β°C at best. No advantage to either meter. In hobby use you are never going to be measuring more than 20M. No advantage to either meter. Display update - advantage to AN (how is the legibility/contrast though? Very important to consider.). Continuity - both pretty good. Slight advantage to AN. Burden voltage - advantage to HP. Backlight, I prefer manual but that's me. Up to you to decide this one. Accuracy, both very good for hobby work. So there's not much between them. Either would suit you well. Just to throw a spanner in the woks, have you considered the UNI-T UT139C?
Thanks for the comments!
I have not. Let me check.
That looks like a decent meter, and would even allow mains usage as there is some actual protection in there.
Resolution decidedly lower though?
@young sigil It's been a point of discussion between me and a friend ... is the extra digit valuable?
I mean more accurate is always better, as long the extra digit isn't at the expense of accuracy, it is a good thing IMO (we were talking about multimeters right?)
For hobby use where 9 times out of 10 you are just checking digital high/low values, no the extra resolution is not significant. Even when checking ADC values you are only looking for ballpark figures. If you want high resolution and accuracy for design and prototyping work you would need to spend at least 3x as much.
Yes we were, @last cedar
Okay, nice :)
@young sigil I guess that makes sense π
Yeah, when I go fault finding systems, I only need to know to the nearest volt most often. We work with very forgiving stuff that has a wide tolerance to voltages.
If I were sending probes to other solar systems, I might need to pay more attention to the small numbers π
Got a new meter the otheday, fluke 116. Nice not to have to set the range.
really ... i have a manual range mm now and one of the reasons i am looking to buy new is auto-range π
hehe
taking the mrs out for a nice dinner, to get on her good side after the 11.11 aliexpress sale! π
her: "you spent too much on there!"
me: "let's spend some more money on dinner!"
her: "aaawwwwww π π₯° π "
Wife just went can you get some more zigbee sensors
she enjoys a smart house
for the most part
my daughter has started saying hey google
π€£
Hey do do
ironically, she is very articulate in her pronounciations for many things
and some are just
FUCK IT
like her own name
Kids are smart enough to know that if they're understood that's enough - voice assistants probably force the need for more clarity than humans do
Read my google feed, all new images on my fav image board are seen... Dam.. I think I have to start working
https://pr0gramm.com/ no π for you
But hey read a nice article bout decrypting a ssh session
https://blog.fox-it.com/2020/11/11/decrypting-openssh-sessions-for-fun-and-profit/
I love the line, It actually works rather wellΒ
Describes so much stuff I do
Wife just went
can you get some more zigbee sensors
@clear ferry you know damn well she said something else, likely something along the lines of getting off your ass but this is what you choose to hear instead
I love architecture drawings
This is just a small system, but when you start moving up to 8-16-32 socket systems, it get's really fun
HP Gen 8 or 9?
Gen10
Oh
Note iLO5
iLO4 = Gen8\9 | iLO3 = G7 | iLO2 = G5 \ G6
Looking at everything I own, it is hard not to think I am a supermicro shareholder
Fun fact, the codename of iLO3 is Gromit
I love codenames, so I know most of the internal ones, and everything has a system
Like Wallace and Gromit? :)
Yup
Hehe
Enterprise Tape libraries are Russian classes of submarines
So, Akula is one of them
Itanium blades are islands in the pacific, so bora bora etc
Cell based Itanium and PA-RISC is mountains, so Rainier etc
when nerds feel chatty..
Code names are quite interesting sometimes. Just for the "they are running out of names, what will the next one be called" factor
had a customer run out of server names at some point in days of yore
he used things from the star wars universe
so that was impressive
Hey! Are there a channel for docker related questions? I started a new instance and for some reason it doesn't start with the setup-screen, but the login screen and I don't find anything in the docs about any default password.
Naming servers π€’
@cinder heart #449717345808547842 ?
Although screw .local
it's quite popular with customers to be fair, but yeah I hate it
Real domain names please. I want to be able to get a real certificate for HTTPS
pssh, most services are internal anyway, and you'll fix that with the internal CA
Yeah but I want at least one domain for services I use as a client
Is there an easy way to add multiple entities to an area at once?
I have my own internal domain, and an external domain, everything I do goes through dns
sounds like #integrations-archived @static temple
Thanks π
to be frank, I access most of my external facing stuff through the external domain even if they are part of the internal domain
I shouldn't
because that sucks when the internet i down
but that happens once every three years for a few minutes
Axis have so many small courses to do, this is taking forever :/
Wazzup
@last cedar I regret to inform you that I don't think any HP(E) systems are codenamed after racoons
that I know of
Postnord are the worst.
I am at home.
They try to deliver my UPS, but I am not home, so they say I can go pick it up (24kg packet).
Called them and they say they can't reach the driver so I have to go get it after 1600 (so tommorow).
Useless.
Yup, they are fucking cu useless here too
I guess I won't be buying any HP servers if they don't have any racoon code names
marked my package as noone home to pick up when there was roadwork down the road and they tried to deliver a mini itx chassis in a huge lorry
didn't even bother calling me
Better than Yodel, who'll leave packages that have to be signed for on your doorstep/in the hedge/somewhere down the street
Or, my favourite, mark as nobody home when they didn't even come within 50 miles of the house...
I've had Schenker leave whole racks outside in the rainΒ @clever mortar .... with $4m of storage inside....
π
thankfully they are inside two layers of cardboard and plastic
but damn boy YOUSA STUPID
I will have to take a shorter lunch to sort that out tommorrow now. Highly frustrating
I need to find someone who can make this into a HA custom component π€
The difficulty with that is that it requires someone to set up and host an Azure app.
I tried my hand at it and got a basic test running. I wouldn't want to pay for the app myself if it grow beyond the free tier.
Does it ? Because when I ran the windows version of that I just entered my credentials and it grabs the status from azure graphapi I belive ?
Take a look at the source code. It definitely needs an app running.
yeah, the windows app worked perfectly
it's just cumbersome to have to run a app for it
The desktop app (and any custom component) needs to auth against an Azure app, which returns a short-lived token and refresh token. The short-lived token is then used by the desktop app to make the Graph API queries.
I think you only need to go back to the Azure app when your refresh token has expired but that still means you need to have the Azure app running non-stop for all users.
aye, but the app does the refresh then I guess
it also runs on a pi, wonder how that works then
I wonder if the HA devs would be open to hosting the Azure app... costs should be low to zero and it means it's owned by someone trusted and central to the project.
oh ok so it's only pulling data from the azure graph, no local access to the teams.exe at all
The presence endpoints in the Graph API are clever. Only exposes loads of detail about yourself but I think you can get basic detail about others.
it's really fast though, if I filmed pressing my status button in teams, I couldn't pan my camera fast enough to see the change
why not just use a marker on a blank white cardboard and sit that in front of the camera?
π
Yeah, it's quick, atx. Just sucks to have that desktop app running all the time.
I can't make any promises but I have a week off coming up and might try to set up the HA dev environment again and have a go.
Making a custom component can't be that hard, right?
Pretty sure it'd have to stay a custom component though. One of the rules for integrations is that they use official Python libraries, right? Can't do handrolled stuff.
I believe so, although I am not a DEVELOPER
Haven't checked to see if it supports the presence endpoints (they're relatively new) but this exists: https://pypi.org/project/microsoftgraph-python/
make it a container and a full fledged addon ? why shouldn't this run in a container?
Oh, that might be a good angle
Why should it need an add-on? It's basic.
addon π€’
It's a few REST calls, perfect for an integration.
I'm just lazy, I can write code but if you can just pack it in a container thats enough for me π
Lambda is sweeeeet. Especially when you couple it with Step Functions.
You can build out applications as a fancy flow chart and just build one piece at a time. Great for encapsulation.
and free for the most part
I'm in the middle of building a payment file processor which will eventually support a ton of formats, transforming the data and pushing them into another service.
I have a quick Q regarding HA, nothing technical more practicality for my guests:
I plan to run HA on a separate local network, but this would surely mean people would have to switch to my local wifi on their devices to actually use HA. Other than having a few old devices that are dedicated HA (almost like remotes) whats the best way to avoid users having to switch between wifi networks?
Once we build out the first file format, the others are just a case of dropping in another branch of the Step Function.
@zealous cobalt proper routing and firewall rules
although if you don't know that, you shouldn't be "securing" your network
Also... #general-archived for support questions that don't fit in the other channels. This one's not for HA support of any kind π
@deft pewter I thought the #general-archived channel may have been the correct, apologies.
@clear ferry thanks
and free for the most part
@clear ferry You just reminded me... I have a troll Reddit bot running in Lambda. I haven't paid a penny for it yet π
I've been trying to ignore it... my bot has more karma than my personal account π€£
Apparently its best post got 1.5k karma π€£
Lambda is set to run on a schedule. It queries for the most recent comment with 'underrated comment' and replies with a snarky canned response.
Basically
Murderfly more likely
I'm starting to think Butcher is atx's role model.
I don't think Cockneys can cope with snow. The south of England grinds to a halt after a light flurry.
I have no idea how that accent passed screen testing
TIL our appartment has a supermicro hdd caddy drier.
What *IF atx is butcher
@hushed basalt we would have to be seeing him through a fun house mirror if that were the case
I think I'd rather gouge my eyes out
a real man would have converted it to a lipo
german rasierer?
DE fo' life
Those can be rather agressive, in my experience. A bit too much of the blade is sticking out on the underside.
I'm pleasantly surprised so many people here use them. I thought they were still really niche.
Maybe it's just because we all frequent /r/wickededge...
I only asked for this since you and @clever mortar recommended it @deft pewter π€£
and I wanted something proper for my head shaves
Hope you got a good quality brush too.
Just get some Feather blades and you'll soon be shaving 3mm under your skin π
They're great. They take a bit of practice to get right but you'll get a good shave out of it.
I sometimes don't even go against the grain and shaves still come out pretty close. With and then across (or even just with) is usually enough.
Less chance of cuts and razor burn that way too.
that'll take time to get used to, I'm used to going both ways
with no fear of life
π€£
You want a Yaqi synthetic brush IMO
I just got a cheap set from Shave Lounge to get started. Can't recommend them anymore now... they've closed their store π¦
A lot of experimentation with angles and blades is required too - never mind soaps π
I'm sure you can get similar stuff elsewhere. It was just a bundle with a DE razor, sample set of blades and a synthetic brush.
Eh... I don't think I can tell much difference between the blades. Settled on Feathers in the end anyway.
Oh, I can... at least my face can π€£
Only got 3 soaps so far too and that'll last years π
Feather are the closest and most likely to nick the skin, at least with my razor
It's nice having aftershave balms too, especially after a close shave.
Yeah, I switched to balm before I switched to DE
Alcohol-free?
I have no idea why people think alcohol-based balms/splashes are better. All that nonsense about killing bacteria...
I've got an alum block for that
They're way too harsh on skin. Give me some aloe any day.
Alum blocks are also handy deoderants π
Ever used those styptic matches? Those are good fun... they bloody sting if you use them on a nick.
Aye, I have those for when I travel
I've got a little tube of Proraso gel for home
I've never tried the gel. I have a bottle each of the white and green Proraso lotions.
Heals, without the sting
@deft pewter @clear ferry in 2nd (3rdish) generation. Inherited from grandpa
Those adjustable ones look awesome. I'm just scared I'll start hoarding if I start buying different types π
The adjusting is actually useful as f.
did not think at first that it would make a difference
that wasn't as bad as I had feared
I only nicked myself once
althought it isn't as close as I am used to
because F.E.A.R
I need to buy a brush and some froth though, just using the ye old regular can stuff now
Plucking hair is far more effective....
a full beard is even more effective and a final solution
π
Not many people know that daughter board is a thing though
Technically, pretty much any expansion card is a daughter board, right? Like graphics cards and modems and stuff.
Depends on your definition
I'll define that as a yes
Usually I see it used about smaller cards on expansion cards
So, a secondary cache on a controller etc
yes 
anything that adds new functionality doesn't really seem like a good fit, but just expanding whats there does
I don't get why gilbert plugs aren't more common
Never seen one of those before
so intel's igpu is already on the fatherboard, then any dedicated gpu is a daughter board? π€
I'll find myself out ok πΆ
lol gilbert plugs are for mains.. ohh wait, you probably do use that on mains
@dusky plank rather I would say if you have a Tesla card with 4 Tesla gpus on it, the 4 GPUs are daughter boards
they are also called slide plugs and vampire plugs for xmas light extensions
You have insulated mains?!
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Yeah. That's what I found. Could be ok for low current dc applications, maybe.
they are rated for 125v
around 8amp
i mean they are for xmas lights.. just how much current does xmas lights in your area draw? lol
And what if you punch it through the cable just a hair offset?
kind of hard to do that
Doesn't matter what the light draws. A nail through both conductors will draw whatever it can until something burns.
lol plug in an extension cord with nothing attached and watch it burn.. that be scary as hell lol
You're punching a nail into the wire. If that nail is a bit crooked, or the wire isn't exactly to spec you can definitely get a short, is what I'm saying.
Seems @forest edge has bested π€
Nawwww, thomas wins this round.
But I won't stop you from using them, as long as you're not forcing me to. I just don't like it.
You're punching a nail into the wire. If that nail is a bit crooked, or the wire isn't exactly to spec you can definitely get a short, is what I'm saying.
@low harness obviously, but then on that same token any idiot can electrocute them self with anything plugged into mains
how do you think the plugs on pre-wired xmas lights connect? it's the same means except those plugs are not made to be removable
Sure. I guess what really surprises me is that there's only one layer of insulation on the wires anyway.
same with xmas lights..
While we're talking about idiots and electrocution, let me grab a photo of something completely safe...
What kind of plug is that ?
I didn't want to wire in my Sonoffs. Made that perfectly safe harness for it instead π
Making an etherkiller?
It's a UK plug.
Standard UK yes
What kind of plug is that ?
@tidal bronze over the mountain and under the bridge type of plug
Also found in other parts of the world
230V AC. Fortunately, I have the brains to check (multiple times) that it was turned off before wiring it up to something.
Even how much I hate the UK plug, I prefer it over the US plug any day
That's a one socket per wall kinda deal.
I imagine there are other people that would lick their fingers and touch the live wires.
One per wall? They're not that big.
Plus at least we have an earth pin.
Bigger than type f atleast
type F gang representin' πββοΈ
I imagine there are other people that would lick their fingers and touch the live wires.
@deft pewter always work on live wires, why are you supoose to turn off breakers π
Do type F not have earth either?
Yes they do
they have on top and bottom
@deft pewter always work on live wires, why are you supoose to turn off breakers π
@tidal bronze I had an electrician round for something I didn't fancy doing myself. He started work without isolating anything and almost blew my boiler when he shorted two live terminals...
I think I trust myself more than I trust the 'qualified' people...
just for small (consumer)devices they can come without any earth
Appliance leads
Gotcha. I wouldn't want to run something like a washing machine without earth.
At least our sockets are all standard, so it doesn't matter if the earth pin isn't actually wired up inside the plug.
why couldn't you guys just call it ground.. i mean earth...
wtf you refering to earth as? the neutral?
I never got the US Style plugs to really stay inside the socket, especially on walls I can't tell if its falling off or maybe just straight up will set the house on fire
you are doing something horribly wrong then
Older houses have their own earth pin stuck into the ground outside the house, while newer house have ground from the utility line
havent been in the US for 10 years, can only speak for SA π
8ft deep[
wtf you refering to earth as? the neutral?
@forest edge Earth is ground, at least in UK parlance.
We don't do those pins anymore, for the last.... 40 years
Live is +ve, neutral is -ve, earth is where the current goes when you fuck up.
We don't do those pins anymore, for the last.... 40 years
@clear ferry norway doesn't use ground for anything in residential?
We get it from utility
So no GFCI ?
Sure we have
he can, but if lightning strikes close enough to his home his hair dryer is going to change his hair color
So dump a wire in water and GFCI circuit completes at the power plant ?
We also have three phase into houses
norwegians.. i swear.. no wonder your pop remains low..
Lol. Too advanced for sure. π€£
induction heaters usually need three phases? who doesn't have three phases?
So dump a wire in water and GFCI circuit completes at the power plant ?
At the transformer down the street, most likely.
@deft pewter added a zw dimmer few days ago, never touched a breaker π
@low harness π€
On our three phase systems I think the GFCI measures the voltage on ground compared to the neutral input from utility
If memory serves right
(which is a building, and not some tin can on a pole)
Been 20 years since I studied this
Also there is seldom more than a few hundred metres from the transformer to your house in residential areas
ours is grounded all over
in the homes, and at various poles. not just where the transformer resides
Shortest drain path to ground
street light poles will often have grounded lines here
3-phase GFCI measures the combined current in all three phase conductors and neutral. If there's a problem, the sum will not be zero.
Exactly
I remember in the 80's when this house wasn't properly grounded cause only a few things actually required it and most outlets were just two prong. somehow the cable line would get back feed of power either through the tvv or vcr or something. it wasn't enough to start a fire or anything but you could feel it touching the coax end as well as it would kill the the first gen cable boxes over and ovver lol
went away once the house was rewired with modren standards
Ah good old hot-chassis tvs
i don't think i seen but one tv that had a metal casing
Think we started doing three phase as standard here in the late 80s
I know old toasters use to be a concern lol
Yeah, but the ground plane in the tv would be connected to one of the mains wires. Works ok (enough) if you have polarized plugs...
Think we started doing three phase as standard here in the late 80s
@clear ferry isn't that when your country first got electricity?
thankfully whatever was causing the back feed the current was low
Could also have been just induced current from parallell cables, I suppose. Can be a bit nasty to touch, but seldom dangerous.
if that was the case it would have remained after rewiring the house
I measured some 600 V in just a few meter run from a breaker to a lamp in my old house...
Yeah... probably
No. Just on the open circuit. As soon as it got any load it fell below measurable levels.
Childhood friend of mine started working as a sparky, his first job was to wire up a classroom of computers, well, since we have three phase in he ended up with 400v at the plugs, great fun when he turned on the breaker
you got that circle wiring think Tinkerer was talking about that one time
Ring mains
where your outlets make complete loops
yea that
I could see that somehow causing more current to go where it shouldn't
unless there is some kind of grounding short in the line or something actually drawing that power like an appliance it's just not possible to have strange things like that happen here
having power come from both sides of an outlet just sounds sketchy to me, saftey wise
It doesn't come from both sides. Your outlet still only has a live and a neutral. The live side is connected to a live ring, the neutral to a neutral ring.
I don't see your point. If you're not the one installing the ring, you never care about connecting/disconnecting either end.
nevermind
And installing ring mains... well, you'd get a sparkie in.
You'd never break the ring. You'd disconnect whatever connects to the L/N/E at the bottom.
Your breakers are between those contacts and your feed.
Any device added to the ring just bridges the L and N.
it just sounds sketchy. like a freak accident waiting to happen
Tried and tested for decades without consequence... π
well.. i'm sure there has been a few issues lol
We have some of the world's highest safety standards. We wouldn't be using it if it was problematic.
Then there's Murica with that knob and tube nonsense...
thats phased out
I can see a problem with it in that the power may not be broken to an outlet just because you removed the cable you "know" comes from the central. But on the other hand, you shouldn't assume that anyway.
it's not just that, there is less resistance to the appliance drawing power and unless both ends are rated at half of what the total should meet then I could see a fire hazard
Ring circuits are rated to 30A, apparently, and can serve any number of outlets/devices.
Maybe I'm the one that doesn't get it. I'm no expert with electrics... I just don't see how the design is in any way unsafe.
But if one side is disconnected, you're suddenly at half the rating with no indication. That's a good point aginst them
and what happens if the device exceeds that rating and the breaker dosen't trip nor the outlet dosen't melt before the line?
If the breaker doesn't trip, the breaker is the problem, not the ring.
again.. saftey issue
Same issue that applies to any circuit with a faulty breaker π€·ββοΈ
You always want a predictable part to fail, right?
Fail at a fuse/breaker so you don't have a fire in your wall cavities.
with a single line the line melts and it either catches fire or just stops feeding power.. there is no secondary line to pick up
And with two? The first might catch fire, in which case you're in the same situation... or the first doesn't and the second might, which gives you a second shot before catastrophe.
And to be honest, the potential of two sources of fire compared to one doesn't bother me much. If my house is on fire, it's on fire.
in theory if the hot side was to seperate just enough the ability for the appliance to continue to draw a charge from the other line would more likely cause arcing off the line that seperated i would think
Arcing is an issue for all high voltage setups. Nothing specific to ring mains.
Is nabucasa down?
Connect your terminals securely and use insulation tape. Sorted.
@leaden frost #cloud-archived . No support here.
Sorry
Connect terminals securely with tape!?
tinkerer is outlets with built in breakers/fuse standard?
Everything is fused here. 13A for major appliances, lower for other things.
Screw-whaters, Mono?
In UK the outlet has a breaker, and the plug a fuse, right?
Breakers on breakers
The outlet doesn't have a breaker, no. The ring does.
I love the fuses and the always correct side phase in the UK plugs
Our consumer unit (the central 'fusebox' for the property) has a breaker for each ring.
UK outlets are better than ours
I thought I saw pictures of the outlets over there having a built in breaker of some type but didn't knwo if that was standard or code
We have stupid straight moulded plugs as standard
If I want to isolate all the upstairs lighting, for example, that's on one breaker.
Which means you need about 5 inches of clearance between furniture and the wall in front of an outlet
There are 1g wall outlets with fuses. For like kitchen extractor fans
But not normal wall sockets
When you say breaker, do you mean like fuses and RCD's or do you just mean a switch, @forest edge ?
what about switches? I see outlets have switches too, those standard?
Switches are almost universal, yes. Not sure if they're code.
Per-outlet where a fascia has more than one.
π€¦ sorry. I meant the outlet has a switch (?), not a breaker.
well ina way the switch itself could be the fail safe
The switch doesn't do anything unless manually operated though. It's not a safety feature at all.
Unless you use my stupid fly lead with exposed mains wires... π
yea but it could be designed to fail first thus cutting opff power to that outlet
Everyone should have a suicide-wire. So useful for experimenting.
3 phase 440v is great. Not really needed in my town house though unless I got a fast car charger
But it's a lot cheaper to put in at the start I guess
It'd be the fuse that fails first, Sonoma. And it's why every plug has a suitably rated fuse for the device it's on.
I've seen some people add crocodile clamps to theirs, but I prefer WAGO connectors.
I always picture australia having a slightly better grid system then say Korea lol
Next house we buy we'll most likely have to spend a lot to get a circuit to the stove for induction
You used to be able to open up plugs but now they tend to come sealed for safety.
Even the Salus smartplug I just got has triangle screwholes π
lol
Or those one way screws they're fun
all your outlets come with leads too not terminals?
I don't understand the question...
lead as in sealed with wires coming out to connect to mains vs connecting mains to screw termianls on the outlet
Would make it easy for wago I guess
We use plugs π€·ββοΈ
He means on the back side
trying to find a picture lol
Ah. Then... usually 3 core insulated cable. Live/neutral/earth.
And for a ring mains... you'd have a stretch of that to an outlet, and another stretch that continues around the ring.
Like the image I shared earlier
this is screw terminals, mains connect to these https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/sgXI5XVMbAZWhVtyI_Hwax6ttAw=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19499929/04_outlet_terms.jpg
π€’
leads are wires actually coming out of the outlet that you connect using wagos or whatever
Old wiring colours but same idea:
Screw terminals on the back, usually the deep ones that you feed the bare end into rather than looping around a screw.
You can also see there what I meant about the ring mains. 2 x 3-core coming out of the cavity, one from each 'end' of the ring.
We also sometimes add spurs to a ring, like if you want to extend to a new room without replacing the entire ring.
There was a spur on my first image.
why the hell does your terminals use such small ass screws
like those shellies
shellys
For safety
Why do they need to be bigger? π
They're hidden away, no metal contacts that might arc.
Screws are live terminals
I had to buy stranded 14awg just to get a wire in the terminalks
I told you... some of the highest safety standards in the world π
Aussies understand this too π
my 12 awg solid copper wire wouldn't fit
I can't remember coming across anything but stranded in my home.
Maybe you wouldn't need such big cable if you had 240v
I run 12awg over 14 because many of my breakers are 20amp not 15
14 is standard and more common for most homes here
How do you even use a kettle with tnat
They threw all the tea in the harbour, remembeR? π
Along with all their u's
Tea doesn't taste the same if you don't extend your pinkie, btw.
Ah yes, saving those precious seconds
2990W here... 13A x 230V
YOU DON'T HAVE KIDS YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND
isn't using an electric kettle over a a fire stove one a little... danky..?
What, those little shits can't wait patiently for their tea @hushed basalt?
We threw out the electric kettle when we got an induction stove.
Uncle Roger doesn't like induction stove
A fan shared this video with Uncle Roger and Uncle Roger had to comment on this madness...
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But can you put your induction stove on a timer? I have my coffee machine primed with a smart plug turned off ready for my morning routine.
I don't boil water for coffee. What do you think of me?
Are you a cold pour guy?
No, but I stay at 97 degrees.
Celsius? You should see a doctor.
Ha, bamboozled
So the coffee machine is indeed prepared and timed for the morning.
It's what I found tastes best to me.
I heat it to whatever temperature my coffeemaker does lol
Could be 90C for all I know and then everyone here would make fun of me
Our coffee machine is pretty basic. No control over temp here either.
Nah... cooler is better. You don't want to burn the beans.
It's like when people ask for their lattes extra hot. They're just going to burn the proteins in the milk and give it a bitter taste.
"I'd like my latte extra shitty pls"
Are you getting ready for the day when servers disappear?
(kidding, I know cloud runs on servers...)
when you cut the ip65 led strips with the coating, do you have to like melt that coating to expose the leads or does it peel back?
Does anyone know how to remove a dictionary from python?
carefully
violently
Worked it out now lmao
del
I just do the entry again and it overwrites
I forgot capital F on false thats why lmao
rm -rf / might work too
rm -rf /might work too
@deft pewter woah thanks bro
I unlcked 64gb ram now
6900MHZ
sudo rm -rf /usr you mean
sudo rm -rf /usryou mean
@clear ferry Jheeze another 4TB storage thansk
now the only thing left is to download some rgb
RGB π€’
HPE π€’
Handy way to clear out space and know what you removed:
find / -type f -exec truncate -s 0 {} \;
That Divinyls pun in great.
Didn't end up getting a Nokia 5.3. Went with a G8 Power. Was also reasonably priced. Don't need NFC. Hoping it will be okay :)
Missed the reduced price on the Nokia
NFC is a must, for payment, travel and yubikey for me
Just need to get a case and screen protector, she is very rough with stuff
I couldn't live without NFC now. I hate carrying a wallet.
Oh, it's for someone else? An old person?
π
So someone over 95 then?
π
Good to know
Confession
Old people don't need NFC. They don't know how it works
π
I have never used NFC
My father is 70 and uses NFC a lot
In a phone
If I want to just pay for a coffee or something, I'll use my phone.
If I could figure out how to get my phone to simulate my work pass, I wouldn't even carry a wallet at the office.
You buy coffee!?
it's a blessing for payments, except you need to take ID with you then you still need a wallet or sth
Used to buy coffee... no office since March.
Norway migrated their drivers licenses to an app, so we don't need it physically anymore
Our work passes are just the MiFare Classic 1k, I think. Easy to read/clone... but phones can't simulate them for a scanner.
Except when going abroad I guess...
We have mifare and prox in our ID06 badges and I have a multitag as well. I have NFC turned off in my current phone. Going to run desfire at home if I can get enough readers
She works with horses btw
Not seen a horse with an nfc reader
Yet
I wanted to get an NFC implant when I still did rota, I had 35 access cards, but there was too many different technologies so I skipped it
Yeah... with horses, you still have to insert the card in the slot.
Different technologies just means you put a chip in each finger or something.
Yeah, exactly
But yeah... if I could have one of those subdermal capsules with a MiFare in it, I'd go for it.
Get with 1k 4k if you can
I wouldn't tell anyone at work about it either. I'd just let them wonder how I could automagically open doors.
Where is my integration @deft pewter
I haven't had a week off yet π
You promised me it by the end of the week
And you meant last week
I'm deducting your pay
Oof
realy thinking bout downgrading my OnePlus to a Pine
https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-community-edition-manjaro-with-convergence-package-limited-edition-linux-smartphone/?v=0446c16e2e66
it would be just.. Fun I guess π€£
Device Warranty: 30 Days
I mean what should go wrong
is 30 days even legal?
