As in Robert Burns
#the-water-cooler
deft pewter
Not Charles Montgomery Burns?
clear ferry
fading zodiac
Today in our country https://i.imgur.com/eciYi4H.jpg
young sigil
It's nice of the passengers to wait until daylight to get injured. Emergency personnel work so hard. They don't need the extra hassle of working late.
patent bloom
Nice!!!
forest edge
wtf is the difference between a UK english keyboard layout and a US english keyboard layout? Looking at one in a video and I cannot spot the diffrence lol
deft pewter
And US puts the @ in the wrong place.
deft pewter
Yeah, all keyboards do
forest edge
yea thats wierd, looks like those few things only
surprised they continue to manufacture for that
deft pewter
Enter key is often smaller on US keyboards, giving a little more room for non alphabet keys over on the right
wet pilot
a few of the symbols move around in interesting ways. Made things fun when controlling a screen through webex
its silly because everything is mostly the same but its the misses that are fun when you are trying to use a cli
weirdest one was working with a Danish customer. Their standard layout is super weird 😄
that guy had both key-sets enabled in windows though and would quickly flip to US QWERTY if i needed to do anything
deft pewter
Go shove your bokmal where the sun don't shine
deft pewter
Could be worse... It could be Dvorak
deft pewter
You? A developer? I don't view you that highly 🤣
clear ferry
Thank Dog
forest edge
pretty sure he is a janitor
how else would he end up with such much outdated HP junk?
wet pilot
hoarding is a fairly serious mental issue, we should be kinder to him /s
forest edge
@clear ferry heard you all were about go back on lockdown.. apparently one person caught covid so it was quite the blow to your population
clear ferry
Well yeah, our numbers are rising, so probably some restrictions will be in force
Nothing that'll affect me probably
deft pewter
I wonder if this will be supported 😄 https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-400/?resellerType=home
And how many people will wallmount them...
deft pewter
I'm seeing those Pi 400's advertised as 'only $70'. Meanwhile, they're £95 in the UK.
Even after taxes, that's one hell of a jump.
light trout
100 x 💩 is still 💩
mossy badge
So this might be a stupid question, but while trying to connect a pc fan (3pin) to my rpi 4, I got some smoke from the fan. Now im not able to get any ip, or any display on the screen when trying to connect the rpi 4. I tried flashing many different memory cards, also tried swapping from one memory card which worked on a rpi zero to rpi 4 and that gave me a ip from the zero but not on the pi4. Did I fry the pi when I messed with the fan?
clever mortar
You let the magic smoke out 🎉
clear ferry
@forest edge apparently 0.1 per 100k deaths here now per day, compared to 3 for UK and 8 for france
So we are apparently blooming
mossy badge
@clever mortar So connecting things to the GPIO pins can actually fry a raspberry pi ?
mossy badge
So this is what I did, I connected a 12v computer fan with 3 pins on the gpio. the pi was connected with 5v 3a power adapter
then smoke came out from the fan..
clever mortar
Well, which pins kinda matter 😉
light trout
naaaaah
clever mortar
Also, whether a 12V fan would work... 🤷
mossy badge
hehe.. So I used the 5v and the ground and maybe I switched them around...
Didnt think that those pin was that sensitive.. damn
That was a waste of 100$
fathom sparrow
pretty much all circuitry is not meant to have voltage/current go through it backwards.
mossy badge
but there is no current in the fan?
I mean that is just connected, there wasnt any external power on that
fathom sparrow
but if you line pins up incorrectly it sends current down the wrong path
clear ferry
It's a real shame you sobs can't hear me play monkey Island themes with church organ right now
⛹️
clear ferry
wife had to do some school work, so I had time to upgrade all my docker containers and my HA
Did my opnsense and my freenas the other day, so I'm actually on top for once
deft pewter
Is she not a bit young for you?
deft pewter
As a Brit, 'school work' is something you do when you're in compulsory education.
deft pewter
'job you want'? Nah
clear ferry
I need to start working on my christmas lights soon
so they are done till christmas
or done until dec 1 would be the goal
deft pewter
You doing DIY stuff?
clear ferry
Yeah, I have 900ish WS2811
plus a couple of hundred WS2812
And I need to find time to buy christmas presents to tink and the boys
deft pewter
I'm looking foward to seeing what you do.
clear ferry
Nothing fancy, just lights around my stairs and all my balconies synchronized
and thinking about using WS2812 on my garage door in a matrix to do some fun stuff
deft pewter
Animated dicks?
deft pewter
'Gotta go fast' - atx's wife, maybe
spark orchid
@clear ferry what are the dimensions of that matrix?
deft pewter
Would you like it in metric, imperial or Norwegian?
spark orchid
I can convert
clear ferry
No idea, I just grabbed it off google, looks like 30x50 maybe ?
I just counted quickly
🤣
deft pewter
It's square...
clear ferry
IT IS NOT
deft pewter
32x32 at a guess.
spark orchid
Oh, I thought it was yours lol. And I was looking for the exterior dimensions
clear ferry
COUNT THEM MONO
deft pewter
cba counting. There are more LEDs than there are pixels...
If that's a keyboard next to it, maybe 20cm x 20cm?
deft pewter
Looks like 4 of these connected together: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07VNB6PPJ
Nope... those are 8x8 🤦♂️
forest edge
@clear ferry you gonna buy a lot of those matrix and put them together to create a jumbotron to watch 24 hour trains in your back yard?
clear ferry
Not a bad idea
I should power down my greenhouse soon though
but suddenly we have 12c degree weather
forest edge
lol power down. you should stop heating your outhouse from the sheer heat of too much voltage flowing through too small of line
mossy badge
are you using dig uno for the leds @clear ferry ? I just built a few myself which makes it very easy to set up LED strips
clear ferry
No, I roll my own diy
forest edge
so they don't work properly yet?
clear ferry
🏇
clear ferry
Stay safe @hearty depot
hearty depot
thanks but meh.. I'm still young enough 🤞
not worried after I dont move my growing ass out of the flat anyway 😛
forest edge
shit tomorrow is shaping up to be like a WWE event lol
deft pewter
Aren't WWE events more civilised?
forest edge
everywhere cept jersey
shy forge
Hi all, Homeassistant have a patreon page?
ebon heath
hey, totally unrelated to anything. What is the going rate for the Tooth Fairy these days? our oldest just lost her first tooth today
low harness
@shy forge If you want to show your appreciation through money, Nabu Casa is the way to go, I believe.
forest edge
hey, totally unrelated to anything. What is the going rate for the Tooth Fairy these days? our oldest just lost her first tooth today
@ebon heath there is a going rate? i hope parents aren't slipping hundreds under kids pillows lol
deft pewter
I heard it's $10
clever mortar
Silver sixpences FTW
deft pewter
Only poors give less.
shy forge
@shy forge If you want to show your appreciation through money, Nabu Casa is the way to go, I believe.
@low harness THX
ebon heath
i dunno, i feel like i got a dollar worth of quarters in ~1987 when i lost my first, so with inflation that is just like $2.50 or something today
low harness
In Sweden it used to be a 10 kr coin (about US$ 1) because that was somewhat "golden".
forest edge
f that put a quarter under there
ebon heath
well i have $1.25 in coins, or a $2 bill my grandma gave me probably 25 years ago
low harness
That may still be the color if the 10 kr coin... I can't remember last time I used physical money, and most or all coins were replaced a few years ago.
forest edge
coins made sense cause back then they were actually silver. paper money makes no sense at all
low harness
We also used to put the tooth in a glass of water. Putting it under the pillow always seemed strange to me.
ebon heath
a gold coin seems like a good idea, and somewhat novel
clear ferry
Yeah, last time I used physical money in Norway was.... Probably 2007
forest edge
@clear ferry didn't think you guys could afford physical money
clear ferry
Come back to me on Wednesday
low harness
Actually, my father in law keeps sending me money for my birthday. Really anoying - can't get rid of the stuff, so I just pile it on the desk most of the time.
I also keep a coin around to open my apple keyboard to replace the batteries, but that's it.
forest edge
I always keep some cash around, came in handy on several occasions. not everything takes credit cards or checks lol
ebon heath
with the power outages here in california i tend to keep a bit of cash on hand just in case, but yeah rarely ever use it
low harness
For those few occasions we have a service where you can send small payments to a phone number.
Many small shops don't accept cash around here anymore.
Taxis and stuff wouldn't touch it with a 3 m pole.
forest edge
weird, small shops here actually prefer cash over credit lol
but they take credit, most the time the cash is for person to person transactions, craigslist etc
then there are the occasional vending machine or whatever
altho I have noticed those take credit cards now too, many of them
ebon heath
the other thing, we're thinking of starting to give the older kid an allowance to start to teach her about money
deft pewter
$20/week 👍
ebon heath
lol, i guess we're poors cuz theres no way they're getting $20/week
deft pewter
How old are we talking?
ebon heath
she's 4.5
forest edge
lol allowance. make them get a job that is the best way to teach about money
4 and half is plenty old enough for stick pick up lol
deft pewter
At that age, they don't need an allowance. Just give them a couple of dollars when you go to a store. Get them to work out what they can/can't afford with it.
ebon heath
yeah i was thinking of doing like a Chores board and if she does all the chores she earns her allowance
deft pewter
I don't think I got an allowance until well after 10 years old.
forest edge
I never got one at all
deft pewter
Yeah, it's not unusual to not have one. You'll always hear about the ones that do, mostly because they'll brag about it.
ebon heath
my dad used to pay me a nickel for every pine cone i cleaned up before he mowed the lawn. until i found the huge pile where he dumped the pinecones in the woods and filled up from there
deft pewter
I see so many kids at malls buying pretty expensive stuff without their parents around. It's crazy.
They certainly don't appreciate money.
forest edge
like grade schoolers with smartphones lol
ebon heath
she has a piggy bank with coins shes found or we've given her from time to time, i dont think she's ever spent money yet
deft pewter
I could afford a new phone every year. I still only get one every 3-4 years. Giving a schoolkid a new phone? Hell no.
clear ferry
I always keep some cash around, came in handy on several occasions. not everything takes credit cards or checks lol
@forest edge
Actually everything does, even kids who collect money for school trips take money by mobile
forest edge
thats messed up
clear ferry
And stores disencourages use of physical money above $100 unless absolutely necessary
forest edge
on so many levvels
a world where everything is digital will turn into a nightmare one day
clear ferry
Yeah, I don't see physical money coming back here ever, it'll die out with the current 60+ers
ebon heath
i only pay for things with gold bullion
clear ferry
Mostly anything is digital here already, I don't receive physical letters anymore, only actual mail I get that isn't parcels is new credit and debit cards
All bills and communication from companies are email or digital mailboxes
deft pewter
What's the difference between email and digital mailboxes? 🤔
clear ferry
All medical documents are in my digital mailboxes
deft pewter
Like... having to log in to an account on their site?
ebon heath
my mom sends the girls homemade post cards every week, thats about the only physical mail we get that isnt junk
clear ferry
@deft pewter government run digital mailbox for anything sensitive
deft pewter
Our government is full of luddites. We're only just moving to online tools.
clear ferry
I still have nightmares about online banking in Ireland
It was in 2007 like online banking in Norway in 1997
clear ferry
Don't mess with the boxty @deft pewter
forest edge
no currency at all is scary to me. I get the ditch the penny effort and all but I like having some cash around
deft pewter
No paper currency isn't the same as no currency.
I'd gladly be free of paper money. Hate having to carry it just in case.
clear ferry
Sonoma is a gray from the city of lud though@deft pewter
forest edge
physical currency is what I meant
clear ferry
I use physical currency when I travel, just because it is fun
But seriously,haven't used it here since 2007
clever mortar
While I usually have some money in the wallet, I almost never spend cash
deft pewter
I still prefer to use card when traveling.
forest edge
@clear ferry so what do you when you want to pay the neighbors 12 year old kid for mowing your yard? ask for thier paypal account?
clever mortar
The only time I have has been at the coffee shop by the office
deft pewter
I've had the same cash in my wallet since March. I know this year has been unusual but it just shows how little we need cash.
forest edge
to what?
low harness
There's another thing. I haven't carried a real wallet for ten years. Just one of those card case things.
forest edge
are kids born in norway with a bank account?
clear ferry
Most have it from atleast 9 years of age
forest edge
you see my point don't you? that's dumb lol
deft pewter
I loved ditching a bifold wallet for one of those super slim ones, thomas.
Room for 4/5 cards and a couple of notes. That's all I need.
low harness
I set up savings accounts for my kids since they were a few months old.
deft pewter
When they raise the NFC limits more, I'll stop carrying cards.
forest edge
savvings is diffrent and those are generally not accessable till a certian age
low harness
They'll get access to it when they turn 18.
deft pewter
Had my first 'debit' account when I was 11/12. It was a stupid Visa Electron or something that barely anyway recognised.
low harness
Me too.
deft pewter
Birthday money went in, birthday money got spent, then it sat empty the rest of the year.
forest edge
thats crazy, you youngins freighten me
forest edge
you are young lol
wet pilot
heh i will hit 30 on Friday
forest edge
I hope cash atleast sticks around till i'm dead
deft pewter
Wish granted... you'll die next week.
clear ferry
In the backwards country of the USA?
light trout
I got a 500NOK gift from my bank when I first got my card (when I was 12), to me at the time that was a lot of money
clear ferry
Yes probably
clear ferry
Yes
light trout
Buy candy and games
forest edge
at 12?
clear ferry
Or... Without parents
Yeah, me and a friend went to Germany at 12
Or just buy video games
forest edge
i keep forgetting about the norwegian ways of just trying to get rid of your own kids as fast as possible
clear ferry
And this is almost 30 years ago
Kids these days probably have never used physical money here
I know my nephews who are 17 have never gotten physical money from me
forest edge
to be fair, where would they use it? m,ost of your country is just that.. country.. grass and mountain side
and snow
clear ferry
Keep telling yourself that
forest edge
that was a joke, but realistically..
forest edge
heh this is kind of disturbing https://youtu.be/inyYETy9Qek
clear ferry
green inlet
I can’t wait till wed ATX, when everything is exactly the same.
clear ferry
🤏
green inlet
Those that want to incite are on both sides and a minority.
You think anything will change in Sonoma’s world 🤣
forest edge
now who's acting grumpy lol
green inlet
Will your world be any different Wednesday?
forest edge
my world hasn't been any different since birth
dull chasm
something to trade for good that is tangable will always be first .....digital may be nice but in the end it is relying on others ....I personally keep around 1-2k in my wallet all the time and spend only cash ....i have had very little problems
may not be what europe does but still good here in the states
hearty depot
I have no clue how that ended up in my google feed. But... Ok ? https://drpartha.org.in/drpartha/linux1.htm
unreal quarry
is it possible to somehow add ledfx effect into home assistant as a button or something?
@dull plaza https://github.com/hassio-addons/addon-ledfx addon got started but not working atm
forest edge
oh snap the wyze v3 will have a poe adapter coming out. thats gonna be a huge
tidal bronze
@forest edge was looking for sand today. 🤣
forest edge
wtf am i looking at? your internet router and soldering iron in a flower pot?
forest edge
pretty sure you paid to havve that little amount of dirt hauled in and sprinkled over the sand lol
why not just use the crimp connectors that have the heat shrink built in?
tidal bronze
Don't have 12AWG on those. This is one of the main drops wanted to do solid. One guy got too excited with the lawn edger.
forest edge
what you gonna wrap it with? not gonna leave those bare in the dirt are you?
tidal bronze
RTV
forest edge
where does this go again? your the only person I know in real life who runs audio line to various places in thier yard lol
tidal bronze
Oh this is low voltage lighting, just got cut while running the audio drops.
forest edge
oh, well where you running the audio to?
you should put in like 500 more lines and just leave them unconnected so that the next person who moves into that house wonders wtf they stumbled into
tidal bronze
I usually do that lol. Ran about 3 extra 14/4 drops. Added 4 more satellites
Pretty hard to balance low and highs in open space. Hopefully I am done.
forest edge
you put that shit in so that it auto plays the star wars vadar theme when you start walking up to your door didn't you
tidal bronze
I am nuts not that nuts. 🤣
forest edge
don't deny it, you walk up and open the door holding one of these and tell your wife she's the droid you been looking for. https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6_JloehbEYc/WeQBdmj46DI/AAAAAAABLNY/gY8qfzccCv8Tr0fILDAigXZFtpCGB562QCLcBGAs/s1600/star%2Bwars%2Bballoon%2Blightsabers%2Bkids%2Bcraft%2Beasy%2Bdiy%2Bfun%2Bbirthday%2Bparty%2Bfavors%2B%25281%2529.JPG
tidal bronze
Used to go ape shit with motion activated audio/TTS stuff years ago, that stuff is old now. Actually don't have any TTS or audio effects anymore other than leak detectors. 🤣
This is mainly to listen to music.
forest edge
therapy would probably save you alot of money.. just sayin..
forest edge
dosen't living in california and paying taxes already do that? lmao
umbral yew
hey peeps.
not sure if anyone knows, but https://esphome-configs.io/ is FUBAR
tidal bronze
@forest edge not at all for me. Just a part of life here. If you gotta nag about it perhaps this is not the place. 😝
forest edge
my taxes are fine, hell a trip to the dollar store compared to what i'm sure you are forking out lol
peak mountain
Anyone have any reccomendations for dekstop clients?
I'm trying to use the chrome shortcut thing, but its a nighmare
subtle pasture
If you're on Windows, the new Edge (which is based on Chromium) is probably the easiest way
Go to HomeAssistant in Edge -> three-dots menu -> Apps -> Install this site as an app
peak mountain
finally a use for edge :)
Go to HomeAssistant in Edge -> three-dots menu -> Apps -> Install this site as an app
@subtle pasture problem is i get this
subtle pasture
Time to install a LetsEncrypt cert 👀
peak mountain
tried that earlier
subtle pasture
But yeah, don't think you can entierly get rid of that bar, since it's used for navigation in webapps
peak mountain
what
😳
o tried nativefier but the bar at the top ws ugly
and you cant change the color of it
hushed basalt
fervent yoke
hi I am new to home assistant and trying to follow the process through but i found that my version loaded doesnt have the supervior
any idea what i did wrong?
static schooner
You probably didn’t install a Supervised version
velvet horizonBOT
fervent yoke
wow these many versions
got system health
it says everything as false
i m using dietpi
velvet horizonBOT
clear ferry
How is it running? Do you have a base OS? Or is the login on console HAOS login?
It says Linux, so I'm guessing it is a core install... I'm guessing you want to install this
For help with that you can head over to #330990055533576204
fervent yoke
dietpi
installed on pine64 board
and inside dietpi software list choose the home assitant
static schooner
I’m sure this will go well: https://feathub.com/MichaIng/DietPi/+105
Do yourself a favor and use an official install method with the latest build. I have no idea what that is, and it’s a year old
It’ll be nothing but trouble
static schooner
No
fervent yoke
what are the other ways to addons in core version?
static schooner
static schooner
But really, you’re starting with something completely unknown. Read through the article and see what options you have for installing it correctly
fervent yoke
i just read through al of that
thanks guys got some idea to start with
just one question more: I dont see a pine64 image any idea how to get it?
clever mortar
I'd expect there isn't one
clear ferry
Same CPU etc isn't it ? So a regular rpi image should work ?
fervent yoke
ok flashing now
clear ferry
I need to figure out how to turn a negative sensor positive 🤣
clever mortar
Stick a - in front of it 😛
clear ferry
DOUBLE NEGATIVE YOU SAY
clear ferry
'{{ (value_json.data[0][2] / 1024 ) | float | round(2) }}' converted '{{ (value_json.data[0][2] / 1024 ) | float | round(2) | abs }}' was enough
My upload in negative was a bit confusing 🤣
clever mortar
Details details...
clear ferry
Well, help with the data logging to influx too to have the values the right way around 🤣
fervent yoke
whys is the Virtualbox image crashing ?
hearty depot
@clear ferry took a while, now I know what you ment with stay safe 🤣
hearty depot
was completly digged into sysctl, it might happend directly beside me and I probably would'nt notice.
odd kindle
Random morning thoughts. Barbie girl by Aqua was really a rather deep critique against the society and it's views on females. Things you didn't understand when listening to it as a kid.
peak mountain
my computer is freaking out
i think i set the colors wrong
bdcaude now nothing is worling
search, settings, etc
ahhhhhh
clear ferry
Classic PEBKAC issues then
clear ferry
Meh, this weeks training got cancelled, need to find something else to do, mock exams before next weeks AWS exam it is 🤣
clear ferry
That's a wonderful filepath right there
rclone copy /mnt/Storage/tv-series/Marvels\ Agents\ of\ \ \ \ \ S\ H\ \ I\ \ E\ L\ D/ gsuitebackupplex-crypt:Marvels\ Agents\ of\ \ \ \ \ S\ H\ \ I\ \ E\ L\ D
Sonarr picked the folder name 🤔
clever mortar
🤣
hearty depot
I heard something bout google taking away the unlimitid storage
clear ferry
They are moving it to a new "plan" where you pay $20 instead
per user
today it is supposed to be $10 with 5 users
but the 5 users isn't enforced
hearty depot
would be a real bummer if I had to reupload all my stuff with my wet string DSL - that took literal monts!
I'm ok with 20$ for a offsite backup
clear ferry
I'm getting 340ish Mbps with rclone
which was better than I expected with the rclone api
deft pewter
$20 per month per user?
deft pewter
Yeah, not terrible. I guess we're just used to seeing ten dollar subs.
lunar plover
i'm subbing
clear ferry
lunar plover
integrations fellas
clear ferry
Should order this for the wife
if I can find it online, goddamn UK stores
We can only despatch orders to mainland UK addresses
clever mortar
I can reship 😉
clear ferry
🤣
deft pewter
Mmm, jams.
Do they have yam jams?
You should also check out Mrs Bridges, @clear ferry
They do lots of jams, pickles and chutneys. Some of them are a bit more interesting than your usual strawberry/raspberry/blackcurrant.
Okay... the music video for whip girl is a bit odd. Then again, it is KPop, so that's probably to be expected 🤣 https://youtu.be/qEYOyZVWlzs
clear ferry
I'm about 4 seconds away from reinstalling my laptop with linux
because the corporate image we have is fucking retarded
I'll have to send a mail to corp IT once a month saying I still have it and confirm the serial number, but Dog Damnit
storm niche
Hello again guys, Where should I look for help if I have problem with duckdns. everything set correctly but as soon I click to Start its stops. Everything perfect in the log. Green and Sucessfull.
clear ferry
sounds like the addon @storm niche so #add-ons-archived if so 😉
storm niche
Thanks!
clear ferry
Now, should I just safe it and go Ubuntu on my laptop 🤔
zealous knoll
i never felt like turning back to windoof after the change
windows update is +- 40 min, linux update including the programs +- 40 secs.
clear ferry
When I had a 4200RPM drive a decade ago Windows took 17 minutes to boot
debian was 30seconds
🤣
Just for lulz I'll try mint first and see if I'm convinced
forest edge
@clear ferry see the only reason you post pictures like this is a means of cry for help of motivation support like.. "clean up your shit you damn norwegian slob!"
zealous knoll
that's comparabale to my office and I'm not tending to tidy it up, it could harm creativity
clear ferry
That is too clean!
forest edge
is that shear or whatever its called in front of the window?
zealous knoll
outside pool in our garden
That is too clean!
@clear ferry but it's 1001 little things spread and i "need" all of them near me.
clear ferry
There is always some piss with laptops and Linux
Just does this after installing and says blipp
forest edge
I spot the issue, there just under the screen in the middle..
apply more light, the problem will be easier to see
split ginkgo
is there any plan to implement thread in the near future?
clever mortar
I doubt it, but you can see what's being worked on by looking at the GitHub repo
split ginkgo
i have looked there, but it doenst look like there is anything
clever mortar
Then probably nobody is - at least not at the stage of submitting PRs
zealous knoll
have you tried live image fisrt or did you go for direct install @clear ferry ?
split ginkgo
okay, its probably not that hard to implement with a custom addon using mqtt and a thread boarder router docker image. Maybe ill try it once i have a usecase for it
clear ferry
@zealous knoll live image worked fine, after installing was the issue, no go with mint or Ubuntu 20.10, worked fine with Ubuntu 18.04 for now, probably a nomodeset bullshit
zealous knoll
strange, live image is a preview of what you get installed so test can be done. Looks like mesa driver is upset after you've installed. I have the newest mint on 3 laptops, none of them showed this unpleasant behavior.
updating is kinda plug and pray then ... 🙄
clear ferry
This is a zbook g3
With Intel and Nvidia graphics
I did go into the BIOS and disable the Nvidia card
To no avail
forest edge
I thought I answered what the issue was... lol
wet pilot
i've been having some oddness with AMD 4k cpu and linux. Fedora 32 everything but the mic works. Apparently someone broke something in that version of the kernel. Ubuntu 20.04 + 20.10 suspend doesn't work. Batt life is better with 20.10 though
i'll have to try fedora 33 since it'll have a newer kernel to see if it fixes things
errant pond
hi can somebody guide me with IOT Link installation? I have done everything but my mqtt is not integrating my PC
subtle pasture
@clear ferry Yeah, I've given up on running Linux on my laptop. It's honestly easier to boot Windows and run Linux in a VM
Linux is missing switchable graphics support, and has some weird power management issues, which results in it being stuck on the Intel Integrated GPU and only getting about 2 hours of battery life (at best).
Fire up Linux in a VM on top of Windows, and suddenly I get 11 hours of battery life, and have access to both GPUs...
Thanks abstraction! 👍
clever mortar
@errant pond Have you found the IOTLink Discord?
thin cloak
Hey guys, anyone knows how can I install v4l2-ctl on HassOS? I'm trying to configure the webcam where HA is installed as a camera, but it's only working in MotionEye.
clear ferry
@subtle pasture eh, I've played with Linux desktops for 20 years, I'll figure it out, I don't need the quadro GPU either so discrete is fine by me
@thin cloak with HassOS? Not without an addon, with any proper install, easy ;-)
clever mortar
#330990055533576204 would be where to ask @thin cloak
thin cloak
#330990055533576204 would be where to ask @thin cloak
@clever mortar ok
@thin cloak with HassOS? Not without an addon, with any proper install, easy ;-)
@clear ferry Sorry, what?
clever mortar
Careless
peak mountain
:(
peak mountain
Yea
clever mortar
Then, in that, you're ahead of most 😉
peak mountain
Still
clever mortar
Next step is to sort our your AV, and possibly other things 😛
peak mountain
its annoying that the only other option was to pay dell $100 to have them tell me to restart my computer
Yea malwarebytes didnt work against a bat file unfourtanatley
deft pewter
There are many other options. The best ones involve learning how computers work.
peak mountain
and before you say "dont run bat files"
clever mortar
Well, I'd say don't run bat files without reading them
I'd also say you need better AV 😉
peak mountain
Yea
Time to cancel malwarebytes
if I got a virus
then it's clearly not workiung
any reccomendations
peak mountain
That's true
It was totally my fault
gUYS i found a better one
and it's pre installed how helpful :))))))))))))
last dirge
RIP PC Decrapifier
clever mortar
Just use the one that comes with Windows - it's better than most of the junk you can install
peak mountain
I still think malwarebytes is better than windows defender
clever mortar
🤣
peak mountain
I'm gonna keep malwarebytes until it expires
clever mortar
Then time to stop self-infecting 😉
clever mortar
Well, that's not usually a thing people learn, so ... 👍
peak mountain
at least my precious home asssistant wasnt effected 🙏
last dirge
me: that's going to take 9-11 months to do
them: we need it in 3
me: that's not anywhere remotely possible
them: that's what it's gotta be
me: sounds like I need to start looking for a different job
clever mortar
Heh, last one I had would be about '83
clear ferry
@last dirge told you you should quit a long time ago
last dirge
there's a real nasty one goin around right now
dusky plank
blaster? no one? or was it sasser? I can't remember
peak mountain
this is making me depressed
last dirge
I unintentionally infected my entire school district with CIH
peak mountain
I unintentionally infected my entire school district with CIH
@last dirge fun!
:)))))))))))
last dirge
"cool, new version of Netscape, let's put it on the public drive"
take the disc home, put it in the tray, as soon as it closes Norton goes "now hold on there, boss"
clear ferry
Defender is great tbh
last dirge
it ended up killing a half dozen or so computers
clear ferry
A lot better than many of the commercial ones
last dirge
like zero-writing BIOS dead
peak mountain
The problem is that people get an antivirus
and just start downloading thigns
because "ill be fine, I have an antivirus!"
and then they get infected
deft pewter
Indeed. Have safe (internet) sex.
peak mountain
it's like birth control, itll sometimes work, but if you dont want have kids, then dont test it
vagrant crest
no antivirus can protect you if you deliberately run things from shady sources, especially elevated
vagrant crest
but trust me, its just a false alarm 🙂
you can safely run this free bitcoin generator
vagrant crest
just disable your antivirus first 🙂
peak mountain
i need $
if a program triggers an antivirus
and it says its a false positive (the program)
i'm not running it
sorry
vagrant crest
a lot of piracy related software is a false alarm because, as a measure to fight piracy, companies flag the checksums as some generic viruses
then again, stay well clear of piracy
young sigil
I see what you did there.
deft pewter
then again, stay well clear of piracy
@vagrant crest No, thanks 😉
While businesses put so much bloatware in as DRM, there's nothing wrong with wanting DRM-free copies.
Don't get me started on single player games you can't play without an internet connection.
deft pewter
Bollocks.
vagrant crest
i like to buy software and then use "unofficial installers" to get rid of idiotic updaters and downloaders
technically legal where i live
peak mountain
anyone have ideas on how to get election results on the lovelace dashboard
im bored and want to do that
last dirge
peak mountain
right sorry
brisk glen
forest edge
I dunno wtf animal keeps tripping the transformer fuse out at my farm but the bastards need to stop it
forest edge
told the lady at the power company over the phone that this was the third fucking time this year which is highly unusual and maybe they need to take a look at the transformer that's been hanging on the same pole for like 100 years lol
near sage
Is it just me or are zwave motion sensors just a bit slow for room presence detection?
Im wondering what is faster.
clever mortar
Just you 😉
#hardware-archived though would be where to get advice/thoughts/suggestions
odd kindle
ok, esxi installed on usb. NFS storage set up. Downloading an ubuntu iso
So far I'm not really more happy with it compared to proxmox. The ui is a lot nicer tho
subtle pasture
Dunno if this applies to your setup, but ESXi supports NFS multipathing
And it's way easier to get working than iSCSI MPIO
odd kindle
@subtle pasture no idea what you just said 😐 You have to remember that I'm basicly a 5 year old that happen to know some english 😛
subtle pasture
NFS multipathing and iSCSI MPIO (Multi-Pathed Input/Output) allow you to aggregate multiple network links together for additional storage bandwidth and redundancy
So, if you have multiple NICs on your shared storage device and your ESXi hosts, you can make use of them for more performance and link redundancy
odd kindle
Ah right, I do have multi nic on my little nas but not on the esxi "server". Atm I'm just focusing on playing around with the softer part of it all
I'm not planing to actually switch to esxi in any way right now. But it can't heart to have seen it in action for a bit 😄
If I decide to do anything I'll read up more as well.
Thanks for trying to teach me tho 😄
fiery sorrel
👋
subtle pasture
I like ESXi a lot, though it does assume you have a more "enterprisey" hardware config
odd kindle
that is super appreciated
Yeah, I definitly get that you'd want to run this over proxmox at companies
subtle pasture
The biggest place where that assumption by VMWare shows up is probably in its local storage support. ESXi has zero support for creating LVM / BTRFS / ZFS volumes (basically no support for software RAID)
They assume you'll have either a really nice hardware RAID card for local storage, or shared storage connected via iSCSI or NFS
Or you're going hyperconverged, and have decided to do vSAN
odd kindle
Yepp, read a bit about that. For now it's not a blocker for me. I will keep my actual storage on my nas. My vms are mostly for play
not super critical storage in any way
never know what atxyeas face means
ffs, my internal network is slower than my transfer speeds
*internal network is slower than my download speed
fiery sorrel
VMware adoption strategie is very sniky i like it.
I got from some dude on linkedin a free "unlimited cpu, unlimited host, all the thing (vsan, vrelize, the thing for remote app...), whithout expiration" key, and i had it work on every version since 4.X
They got my lab, and now because i know the tech i'm more likely to use it at work
odd kindle
I'm for sure not likely to use either vmware nor proxmox at work 😛
fiery sorrel
ok ... so you have what ? Microsoft HyperV ? or Oracle solution ?
i would not bet on openstack
night zodiac
right now I am suffering with a slow iKVM and it is making me sad. I am so close to getting ssh 😛
fiery sorrel
oh sorry i thout you where unlikely to use it because you where using something else at work ^^'
clear ferry
Ikvm 🤢
night zodiac
I know. 😦
clear ferry
ILO or go home
odd kindle
@fiery sorrel no worries 🙂 I was vague as well
last cedar
@clear ferry do you not throw up at anything? Other than raw meat
fiery sorrel
Idrac and it's old java interface is funny
last cedar
:P
odd kindle
we're using gcp at work tho, so I have some light kubernetes knowledge
clear ferry
@fiery sorrel I found a docker container for that
last cedar
The best gif on Discord
clear ferry
Works perfectly on my r510
fiery sorrel
really ? i just upgraded to html5 or changed server XD
but i might need something like this for my personal kvm
odd kindle
woooow the console or whatever it's called is smooth tho. This amazing
fiery sorrel
this thing is old
clear ferry
fiery sorrel
Guacamole 💌
long time no see
oh, it is older that i though ....
TLS 1.0 and TLS 1.1 will be permanently disabled in a future release. damn....
clear ferry
Drac6 would be 2007 I think, so yeah
fiery sorrel
it immediately stop, so i guess it doesen't work for this, it's a really an idrac so i'm not surprised
worth a shoot
night zodiac
okay, no more ikvm, thank goodness
subtle pasture
So glad HP decided to push one last iLO update for Gen8 servers
Replaced the old Java console with the new HTML5 console that Gen9+ servers have
night zodiac
I wish I had that
I always conned my host into "complimentary" setups for me but I felt bad this time and suffered through java not responding to my inputs for 40 minutes
fiery sorrel
i so with i could get my update for my own HP server ... but because i'm not a company ... HP don't give me acces to them
night zodiac
It took me so long to get set up
subtle pasture
Heh, I have all of HP's SSPs in a share on the NAS at work
odd kindle
oh wow, and PCI passthrough works just right away
night zodiac
subtle pasture
We primarily sell HP servers, so... we have a ton of HP software on-hand
@odd kindle Yup, just be careful not to pass-through anything the host needs to operate. ESXi absolutely will let you do that, and it won't boot if pass, say, the video card or the storage controller it's running from to a VM
subtle pasture
ESXi needs a basic VGA device dedicated to it, for some stupid reason
Unless you redirect its output to a serial port
And even then, it sometimes complaints
odd kindle
@subtle pasture I just passed my main graphics card. So I'm guessing that wasn't good?
subtle pasture
I hope you have a secondary graphics adapter for ESXi to use 😅
odd kindle
I mean I can just change the default onboard graphics to it
the passthrough also just stoped working, I had ubuntu on my screen but now it's just blank
night zodiac
I told my host to leave 20.04 on my machine and I would get used to it and then quickly had to get Debian back so I didn't feel like an idiot
and to match the rest of everything else I use
I was trying to follow docs I wrote for myself for certain installs but ubuntu was far too different with 20.04, haha
subtle pasture
@night zodiac Omg, yeah, I tried Ubuntu Server 20.10 a couple days ago, and it was a nightmare
I ran, screaming, back to CentOS8
night zodiac
my host installed an older debian and then I did the dist upgrade like a dummy
and I was like, might as well get debian at this point
they isntalled an older ubuntu*
not debian
clear ferry
Ubuntu server 🤢
subtle pasture
5 hours into an install on Ubuntu Server 20.10, I somehow managed to hose the entire system (to the point that it would kernel panic on boot) by installing and configuring Samba...
subtle pasture
Gave up, blew it away, installed CentOS8
Had the entire works running in 45 minutes
It's amazing when the documentation actually matches the OS...
clear ferry
Ironically the only customers I've ever had that run Ubuntu server did it on Itanium servers
🧐
night zodiac
I need to change the boot order of this device, lol. it tries to boot of of an unused network card first and then tries to boot off of the one in use
fiery sorrel
Ubuntu on HPC ?
night zodiac
takes forever to boot
wet pilot
i have to say, despite all the cultish ways, arch docs are top notch
clear ferry
Nah, not hpc just Itanium
subtle pasture
Didn't Intel officially sunset Itanium, finally?
clear ferry
Yes
night zodiac
yeah, following my own docs was the trouble
fiery sorrel
yeah, following my own docs was the trouble
@night zodiac that why i nolonger write any
night zodiac
lol
odd kindle
well, esxi seems like it could work. I'll give it another go some other night, when it's not... you know things happening in the world
night zodiac
I used to have everything concise for intalling tuned-adm which I use quite a bit for my application
I am about to install it through trial and error right now
fiery sorrel
that is the fun part, when it work all the time it's less fun
i always have fun on my system ... for some reason
odd kindle
I for sure just want it to just work
fiery sorrel
like today, my frist time network setup broke and i was left without any interface ...
why do i use entreprise grade management software for my lab 🤦
fiery sorrel
beacause it's to much work ?
i mean running a saltstack config for 25 VM ...
i don't WIN time ...
but i guess i did win a job
subtle pasture
@wet pilot I had a terrible time with Arch because the docs were so obtuse, lol
wet pilot
haha
subtle pasture
I eventually got it installed, and vowed never to deal with that again...
wet pilot
i must have had good luck with my issues then
last i ran it was a long time ago though
pre systemd
subtle pasture
"Well, I can say I did it, but FUCK ever going through that process again"
fiery sorrel
did that also, i tried to setup grub with it's uefi/boot part on a encrypted LVM ... it did work in the end but what a bad idea
never touched arch since
odd kindle
@fiery sorrel it's all about your goal. If you find enjoyment in setting up advanced stuff. Do it at home as well
I really just want that part of it all to work
subtle pasture
The only Linux OS I really jibe with is Fedora / RHEL / CentOS, everything else just seems so jank...
fiery sorrel
jibe ?
subtle pasture
Fixed
wet pilot
i run Fedora Server for my main docker host because i'm a glutton for punishment
fiery sorrel
me to XD
last dirge
M'server
inner vault
I setup arch because I was sick of updating fedora every 6 months
fiery sorrel
a long time ago i chose to keep a feet in all system. so i run debian on my lab, fedora on my desktop, and suse at work
inner vault
It's been like 3 years, and I doubt I'd be able to do it again, considering I've got custom signed secureboot images and encrypted everything
fiery sorrel
podman work wellenough
subtle pasture
And then I hop over to FreeBSD and...
odd kindle
alpine ftw >.<
inner vault
but I've been able to continually just run regular updates and keep working
wet pilot
podman is a bit too far behind last i checked
fiery sorrel
i wanted to try BSD, but i never had a job with it, and find it hard to justify for casual use
clear ferry
Bsd is noice, but I'll do proper Unix thank you 🤣
subtle pasture
BSD is as close to proper unix as you'll get these days
Direct linage from BSD Unix
subtle pasture
But yeah, I find BSD appealing because it's monolithic. Linux is a fragmented mess by comparison...
clear ferry
System III /V > BSD
fiery sorrel
i worked on solaris and hp-ux 2Y ... never again
clear ferry
1/5 of regular uptime you say
fiery sorrel
well 'worked' a big word ... i made some log cleanup, and restarted some solaris jail
and did a hot cpu swap 😎
wet pilot
uptime of "usually"
clever mortar
Solaris ... uptime defined by the uptime of the data centre
Windows of the same era .... uptime defined by the moon
fiery sorrel
true for solaris, but our windows never lived a full moon cycle
reboot every week, or they get grumpy
clever mortar
My experience of *nix in general has been that restarts were a thing you chose to do. With Windows it was chosen for you.
fiery sorrel
i had a sunos with an install date older than me ... and a uptime of 10Y
to be fair i think the last release of sunos is already years older than i am
subtle pasture
@clever mortar Eh, not before kernel live patching was a thing. Linux server reboots for major security patches SHOULD have been common if you were doing your job right...
clever mortar
As I said - thing you chose to do
forest edge
My experience of *nix in general has been that restarts were a thing you chose to do. With Windows it was chosen for you.
@clever mortar I never once had windows force an update on me. I know it's a thing cause plenty of people say and post it but I have never experienced that
subtle pasture
Yeah, you can choose not to install major security hotfixes 👀
clever mortar
I had some Windows systems force it, and others that just went kaboom
subtle pasture
With Windows, you can control patching with group policy (assuming you're using Windows Server + Windows Enterprise Edition)
fiery sorrel
once i had a nice "cortana as crash we will reboot the computer" full screen popup ...
subtle pasture
Home editions (Home/Pro) have less control over updates
fiery sorrel
i had no " NO" button
forest edge
maybe windows is AI and it knows people who would skip and skip and skip and for them it just gives you no choice lol
clever mortar
You can control that these days - Windows didn't always give you options
clever mortar
NT 4.x too, and I think 2000
Too often it's thank you for installing X, you'll now reboot
subtle pasture
Eh, Windows NT through 8.1 had pretty extensive Windows Update controls in all editions (possible exception to Home / Home Basic / Home Premium editions)
Windows 10 janked it up by taking away a ton of control for all editions except Server and Enterprise
fiery sorrel
oh i found a screenshoot of my popup from an old dir
french sadly
basicaly, you log off now, or you log off now
subtle pasture
Heh, interesting
forest edge
maybe bill gates hates french
subtle pasture
I know Microsoft will force an update if you're on a build of Windows that's no longer supported
forest edge
maybe the language pack didn't include the option for skip lol
night zodiac
I'm moving to a new place so I get to waste tons of money on new devices.
night zodiac
It is much larger than my current place 😛
clever mortar
So, bulk order from AliExpress then 🎉
fiery sorrel
i had a very small room, but still moved the dell r620 from under my bed to my new house !
i sleep so much better
forest edge
I need a larger place so I can buy more stuff
@clear ferry you know what my suggestion of this would be..
night zodiac
I'm in a very tiny apartment currently and moving to a three bedroom house
I finally have a reason to buy a robot
fiery sorrel
vacuum one i hop
fiery sorrel
because i'm playing "Detroit become human" and hell i don't want to see real robot anytimle soon
night zodiac
https://www.amazon.com/Roborock-Cleaner-ReactiveAI-Navigation-Intelligent/dp/B084Z5JD5Q/ this is what I have my eyes on.
fiery sorrel
be weary, not rootable, hard to get the token for
night zodiac
I'm not worried about that but thanks for the heads up
subtle pasture
Yeah, I almost went Roborock, but saw how much of a pain they were to integrate with HA
"I'll... just get a Roomba"
fiery sorrel
i have a roborock s6 and a irobot 980
night zodiac
Yeah, I don't think I will benefit much from integrating it with HA
fiery sorrel
irobot is dumb... roborock is hard to integrate
clear ferry
Had no issues integrating my roborock
night zodiac
I just want to forget about it and have clean floors, no need for nerdy HA shit
fiery sorrel
Had no issues integrating my roborock
@clear ferry S5 or earlier ?
clear ferry
S5 yes
fiery sorrel
then your token don't get reset when the device ping the internet 😡
night zodiac
I have one concern. there is one part of the floor I am unsure if it can get over fine. It is like a transition between wood and tile
night zodiac
I wish I measured it. it is definitely larger than that
vocal cave
hey fine ppl, anyone tried this:
https://www.conrad.se/p/mueller-licht-tint-led-lampa-eek-a-a-e-gu10-6-w-1991919
night zodiac
I will form some type of ramp for it if I have to
vocal cave
looking for a GU10 socket with colors, Hue ones are super expensive..
fiery sorrel
that will be nice of your feet as well :)
vocal cave
100€ for 2 hue gu10 😭
forest edge
@night zodiac most floor transitions are angled?
odd kindle
I've not dared getting another robo, our last slaughtered a carpet and broke a big mirror 😦
night zodiac
It was just like a piece of trim over the tile to wood stuffs I think
I might have remembered it being bigger than it is
fiery sorrel
you know you have to feed it dust once in a while @odd kindle , or it get hungre and mad
clear ferry
My S5 traverses my 3cm door board
night zodiac
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221093826364702721/772876621531185262/IMG_20201102_105241012.jpg Okay, cool. it is just the tiny transition between those rooms
fiery sorrel
3cm seams a lot but they have big wheel
odd kindle
@fiery sorrel yeah it was our mistake :/
night zodiac
I didn't take a pic specifically of it but you can kind of see it
forest edge
clear ferry
Yeah, the lift is huge on the s5
night zodiac
fiery sorrel
@odd kindle did you see the Roombo game ?
was it like that ?
just so i prepare my shootgun ... i don't have any shootgun ....
night zodiac
I committed to a couch today for the new place. That was stressful.
fiery sorrel
odd kindle
@fiery sorrel haven't seen the Roombo game no
night zodiac
We finally decided and then found out it won't ship for a month
odd kindle
@night zodiac what food is that?
Tbf, it was like 8 years ago. It was one of the first on the market here. Its sensitivity was way wrong, so it wouldn't realize when it started to move stuff and push things around
night zodiac
It's "biscuits and gravy" haha
this channel talks about it once a month
not UK biscuits and gravy
odd kindle
ended up somehow eating up parts of a carpet, completly destrying it. And pushing on a mirror so much that it fell over
night zodiac
these new ones are smart as hell
odd kindle
@night zodiac oh cool! I'd never heard of it before joining this channel. But I do remember reading about it here some time back
night zodiac
It's just a pepper and sausage gravy over what you'd probably call a scone or something
forest edge
poor people whom never had or heard of US biscuit and gravy. their lives are just a little more sad because of it
clever mortar
You're just saying that because you've never tried cucumber sandwiches
night zodiac
cucumber with mayo?
forest edge
for the same reason I nevver tried raw whale.. I want to keep my food in my stomach
deft pewter
I take my cucumbers whole.
odd kindle
@forest edge I'm saying the same about this http://unitedbloggers.no/uploads/sites/406/2011/02/frukost3.jpg
forest edge
are those freeze dried eggs?
night zodiac
that looks Scandinavian as fuck
aren't they the ones that like the squeeze tube foods?
night zodiac
I don't really watch people watch things
odd kindle
there's lots of "someone try scandinavian tube spreads"-videos
night zodiac
ahh
I was some spreads
in high school, we had a final project for cooking class so I tried to find the dumbest recipe I could
I ended up cooking something called a flying jacob
odd kindle
yepp, usually peanuts
night zodiac
but getting people to eat it was a trick
odd kindle
every single swede will know what that is
night zodiac
I am sure I didn't make it very well
odd kindle
add some bacon as well for some extra fat. Really good
night zodiac
this was like 12 years ago, haha
odd kindle
I mean... most swedish food is some what weird
we're not really known for our normal food
dusky plank
hot dogs?
odd kindle
but by that measurement flying jacob is rather normal
night zodiac
odd kindle
you want to slice tha banana 😦
and the tricky part is for sure not to over boil the rice
deft pewter
Why are there mouldy bananas in that?
odd kindle
@deft pewter they've been in the oven for some time
deft pewter
They've been in the garbage for some time.
odd kindle
but yeah, you do want ripe bananas
night zodiac
people usually eat bananas before the sugars develop fully but if you make a banana bread or anything you want to let them brown and get really sweet
odd kindle
@dusky plank have you had the ikea hot dogs?
dusky plank
maybe too much, yes
night zodiac
I bought a hot dog roller a couple of months ago, lol
odd kindle
@dusky plank https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/MgL3JJ/hemligheten-bakom-ikeas-korv in swedish but interesting reading if you care to translate it
night zodiac
does this have the quote in it "if you get rid of the hot dogs, I'll kill you" in it?
That is what happened with costco
odd kindle
No
night zodiac
odd kindle
But it explains why they sell them for 5 sek
dusky plank
yeah last one I had it was 50c still, I still crave for them
deft pewter
They're more like £1.50 in the UK. We always get ripped off.
clear ferry
I love the ikea vegetable hotdogs
@clever mortar if you think that is strange you should see the Danish and their liver paste
forest edge
@low harness wtf is that? almost guessed poptart at first but that isn't it lol
deft pewter
It's plastic cheese on a rye cracker.
clear ferry
I enjoy the liver paste at 1/5th of Danish level, with red beets on top
@deft pewter caviar
low harness
I prefere pickles on mine.
forest edge
I enjoy the liver paste at 1/5th of Danish level, with red beets on top
@clear ferry why you gotta come in here and make everyone sick?
clear ferry
🏇 🏇 🏇
low harness
It’s caviar on a piece of very hard bread, btw. Atx, what’s torsk in English?
clear ferry
Cod
low harness
Thanks. Cod caviar
tame cove
hello everyone
clear ferry
Torsk torsk torsk
forest edge
fish goop on stale bread?