#the-water-cooler

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inner lava
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?

last dirge
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gotta install the package before you can install the package

subtle pasture
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@odd kindle Not even Fedora?

inner lava
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gotta install the package before you can install the package
@last dirge smart

brisk glen
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apk --update add openjdk8-jre

odd kindle
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@subtle pasture no. I mean that “work” I guess, but I’m never happy with it. And I’ve been trying since ~1997

inner lava
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apk --update add openjdk8-jre
@brisk glen oh wow, thx

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Why so “weird” tho...

odd kindle
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is oooold :(

subtle pasture
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@odd kindle The issue I have the Debian is that it gets crapped up with packages and old dependencies rather easily, and attempting to clean that up (or perform major upgrades) often breaks things.

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Package management just seems to work a lot better on RPM based distros

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Also, yum has that slick history-rollback/replay feature

odd kindle
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I can somewhat agree. But with apt when I need to fix something I always can, rpm never does what I want it to do. And all the other little differences

subtle pasture
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I've had the exact opposite experience...

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yum can roll back literally anything

odd kindle
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In theory I’m sure that’s great. I’ve never really needed it

subtle pasture
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It keeps its own internal history of all package installations (and their dependencies) over time, and can undo anything from any point in the tree

odd kindle
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I’m not trying to hate in RH, it’s just never been for me :/

subtle pasture
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So going back to history state 0 would put you back to clean install + user files

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@odd kindle That's fair, I just haven't been able to recover/clean/upgrade anything Debian based to the same degree. lol

inner lava
odd kindle
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I’m really curious about nix tho. Haven’t had time to try it out 😦

subtle pasture
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I had to try and fix a Ubuntu 10.04 server a couple days ago, wound up killing it just by running apt-get upgrade

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Hosed GRUB, no boot devices found

odd kindle
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@subtle pasture get where you’re coming from. I’ve just never had any really major problems with that. At worst you have to uninstall (a lot of things) and reinstall. Easy :p

subtle pasture
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When I finally did get it back up and running, apt had apparently crashed mid-upgrade, and had left the entire system in a dirty state with no further package management possible until repairs had been run. Fun stuff...

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Granted 10.04 is ancient now, but yikes

odd kindle
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Lol. Yeah. Back in the days Ubuntu wasn’t always great. I ran like Ubuntu 8.04 (or maybe even earlier) alpha on a home sever. Fun days 🙂

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But Ubuntu lts have always served me well

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Now everything lives in the cloud so I don’t do much severs, or Linux at all 😦

dusky plank
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kernel 2.6 until the end of 3.x was not great

odd kindle
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macos is my main os

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When I was younger I even had a period of Gentoo. That was fun times 🙂 spending an entire day compiling Gnome.

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Someone needs to tell me that I don’t have the time to buy a new small home-server 😐

deft pewter
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You have loads of time, do it.

odd kindle
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😦

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I really don’t, that’s a problem.

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When you don’t have the money you don’t have the time, when you have the money you don’t have the time

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My partner would make me regret such a project.

brisk glen
odd kindle
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Very nice 🙂

brisk glen
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Failure rofl

deft pewter
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You'd have more time for projects if you just lose the partner 🤷‍♂️

odd kindle
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@deft pewter No, not really :). It’s the kids that take up the time

deft pewter
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Seems like there's an easy solution there too. Just don't put up a fight in the custody battle.

dusky plank
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You'd have more time for projects if you just lose the partner 🤷‍♂️
that said, I wonder where atx lurks

deft pewter
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You mean under which bridge?

odd kindle
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@deft pewter so not an option tho.

brisk glen
odd kindle
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Kids over server any day 🙂

dusky plank
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exactly, under which bridge, puking at some random pi`s, drinking expensive whiskey and talking with stranger vpcs

deft pewter
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Norwegian wildlife is pretty interesting.

clever mortar
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That's a pretty mean thing to do insulting ||the troll like that||

odd kindle
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They're usually very friendly and stays on their side of the mountain

dusky plank
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i smell lies

candid spade
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Hey what's the best way to add Bluetooth to my homeassistnt? It's running on my home,e server as a VM and debating if a Bluetooth dongle passthrough is the best route or use the esp32 rout that I briefly read somewhere.

clever mortar
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.topic 😉

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clever mortar
candid spade
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Thanks!

steel crag
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Anyone play rust?

deft pewter
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I think about 7 other people do. I once saw the server at 8 people.

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Wow... 62,536 players at some point today.

clever mortar
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Of which 62,534 were bots

deft pewter
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And KrAzIe still couldn't win a match.

wild grove
deft pewter
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The comments say the crane is lowering...

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I think I've seen paint dry quicker.

wild grove
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you have to look away and look back 🙂

deft pewter
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Ok. I'll check again in an hour.

wild grove
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itll be in space by then /s

clever mortar
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Record it, then play it back at high speed

deft pewter
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Unlikely. The crane might be going back up in a few hours.

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I think I'd enjoy seeing a launch live... but YouTube? Especially the tedious stuff

dusky plank
wild grove
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there are like 4 cameras aimed at this thing

last dirge
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they're in Girl Mouth Texas?

wild grove
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lol, yes

last dirge
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is the cone resting on the ground now?

wild grove
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yeah

deft pewter
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Might be resting on the ground again in a bit if they mess it up.

wild grove
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on the wheels they used to roll it from the manuf site

last dirge
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the cone is all payload?

wild grove
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fuel i think

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lox or or bagels

last dirge
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how'd they fly it before then?

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it's always been in flying grain bin mode

wild grove
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all tanks

deft pewter
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As someone that knows very little about spacecraft, I assume bagels aren't the food.

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I'm still picturing a carb fuelled rocket though.

wild grove
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it goes really fast but then tires easily and quickly

last dirge
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he's making a liquid oxygen = lox joke

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so what we're looking at is an "upper stage"?

wild grove
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um

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'yes'

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they'll test flight this once stacked, but then there is a super heavy booster this can/will ride on top of

last dirge
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so then the nose is payload

wild grove
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maybe eventually? i saw mention of a header tank in there right now

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i think there still more changes to come to make it actually carry something

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maybe the header tank is only a small portion

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i know just enough to know im probably wrong 🙂

last dirge
wild grove
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there ya go

last dirge
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looks like ultra heavy is supposed to have 23 engines?

wild grove
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yeah

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was 27 i think

last dirge
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holy shit

wild grove
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its a newer engine than what is on the falcon 9 too

last dirge
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for now, at least

wild grove
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right

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the way they iterate ...who knows

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the 15km hop is due in the next week i think

last dirge
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is anybody using manned SRB vehicles any more?

wild grove
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i think the russians and some ula may

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maybe just ula actually

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i think its an addon(tm)

last dirge
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Soyuz is kero isn't it?

wild grove
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or vodka

last dirge
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Syntin

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apparently

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so not SRB

wild grove
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right

last dirge
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JLG with the gigantic free advertisement

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I count 6 lifts

summer mantle
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Hi all, i'm new here.

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I'm in the process of cementing and running power to my front gate, I would like to run any cables I will need in the future for a gate camera and buzzer etc.

📎 20201023_094226.jpg
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for that should i be running an ethernet cable too?

deft pewter
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Cementing over a lawn? 🤢

clever mortar
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Run conduit, run pull string(s)

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Then you can run whatever you need later

dusky plank
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cat7, do it

deft pewter
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Unless the strings rot 😄

clever mortar
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Use nylon, then it'll just melt 😛

deft pewter
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👌

clever mortar
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Anyway, skip cat7, go right to cat9 😛

summer mantle
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no not cementing over a lawn... just build the fence, digging the conduit in and popping up through the cement under the gate motor.

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built the fence*

deft pewter
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That's okay then. I hate you a little bit less now.

summer mantle
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lol

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i have another question, and sorry for the newbiness. If i want to automate the gate via say a raspberry pi, does the pie go in my gate motor casing, or in my house and the ethernet just run outside, or it doesnt matter?

hollow glacier
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cat7, do it
@dusky plank u nasty

clever mortar
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House

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I mean, you could stick it locally, but there's likely to be no point and it may just complicate life

summer mantle
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ok, understood.

hollow glacier
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so you'd just run thick wire in the conduit to gate @clever mortar ?

clever mortar
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Well, if you're running mains voltage to the gate, that's the "thick" bit anyway

dusky plank
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@hollow glacier I run HA on a pi, of course I'm nasty

hollow glacier
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right

clever mortar
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Some network cable is irrelevant

summer mantle
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so does that mean i need to run ethernet for the camera, what about for the button?

clever mortar
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Maybe cable, maybe Zigbee

hollow glacier
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do eth and string for now is my vote

clever mortar
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Plan to run a few cables

summer mantle
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or does the ethernet send button press signal along with camera stream?

clever mortar
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🤷

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Depends on your camera/button/whatever

dusky plank
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google: PoE

summer mantle
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i have all my cameras running over poe.

clever mortar
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Though, if you're putting power out there for the gate motor, you could run fibre instead of copper

summer mantle
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ok maybe i need toi see what camera / button i will get and see what it requires specifically.

clever mortar
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I'd probably suggest that solving this is better done on the forum

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This is one of those "many moving parts" questions

hollow glacier
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true

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or he could break it down into smaller parts

clever mortar
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Yup

hollow glacier
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figure out end goal

clever mortar
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But there's likely a few dozen ways to skin this

hollow glacier
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figure out hardware

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write it out, ask q's ye

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u right

clever mortar
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Also...

velvet horizonBOT
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hollow glacier
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slipped right on by us

clever mortar
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Start with the goal, as @hollow glacier said, and work backwards

hollow glacier
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eats cookie

clever mortar
summer mantle
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i dont think id do fibre just for that, seems excessive, i thought ethernet was me goinbg above and beyond wireless. for stability.

hollow glacier
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in my server i get to eat cookies if someone thanks me 😦

summer mantle
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can anyone point me in the direction of a local diy Ring Doorbell alternative?

clever mortar
hollow glacier
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i went with the unifi doorbell

clever mortar
hollow glacier
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it interfaces w/ hass nicely

summer mantle
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thank @clever mortar

hollow glacier
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and saves local

summer mantle
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ok @hollow glacier will check that out too, thanks

dusky plank
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you don't want my solution

hollow glacier
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you'll need that if you do go unifi

summer mantle
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@hollow glacier wow that looks beautiful.. re: unifi doorbell

hollow glacier
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it do

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dashboard is a forever WIP

summer mantle
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@hollow glacier you have just the one doorbell though right? The rest ip cams?

hollow glacier
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yep

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cheaped out with g3 flex cameras

summer mantle
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looks great.

hollow glacier
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until you zoom

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lol

summer mantle
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i got the dahua starlight ones.

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have done pretty well so far, esp at night

dusky plank
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reminds me of my 18$ camera, will have to look out for the pumpkin express again

summer mantle
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@hollow glacier so what powers your bell and cam? Both work through ethernet? And what happens when somebody presses the button?

hollow glacier
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PoE cams; doorbell existing wiring and had to add a transformer or w/e to the chime

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doorbell is 2.4/5ghz wifi only

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and button i dont have hass do anything with it yet

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i have the unifi app pop up with a notif

summer mantle
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right so button chimes inside.

hollow glacier
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ye

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i think there's a bit more to it with digital chime

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it's all outlined on their forums (ubiquiti's)

summer mantle
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ok, hey thanks for the chat your bell and cam looks great will definitely look into it.

hollow glacier
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^^

calm crow
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Just saw conference channel, anywhere to find more information about dec 13 conference?

low harness
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I don't think there's more information available than what's in the link in that channel description.

deft pewter
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Also, the conference channel is probably the best channel to ask about the conference 🤷‍♂️

calm crow
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Mono you're so smart

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And wise

static schooner
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sometimes a smartass, but also sometimes justified 🙂

woeful rock
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@hollow glacier take trash out. How's that created?

hollow glacier
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via hacs

woeful rock
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Ty

brisk glen
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ok... Im going to run home assistant core on my phone...

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then ask for support about why its slow when its running inside a sandboxed app with an x86 JIT with alpine linux

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on an iphone 😛

shy comet
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can we just make it into an APK?

brisk glen
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we... could

lost yarrow
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looking ok

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(its for a touchscreen)

orchid rose
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Looks fine but plenty of space for other stuff

forest edge
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would be pretty slick actually to make HA run on modern phones with the correct specs. I wouldn't trust it's uptime reliability so much but to have the option to slap it on an old phone connected via wifi sitting in a closet would be hilarious

granite hare
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@forest edge frankly, I'm surprised no one has done it yet

forest edge
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yea it's certainly possible already and holy crap if it was "official" the headaches that would come from it lol

hearty depot
forest edge
dusky plank
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yeah @rotund sphinx what happened with my termux - HA on droid - suggestion?

dusky plank
brisk glen
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Well.. she is blond...

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Might be blind

deft pewter
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You guys don't have wireless monitors?

odd kindle
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not having wireless power is so 2019

deft pewter
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Has there been any progress on that front at all? They're been talking about true wireless for years already.

odd kindle
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There's a few trully wireless products

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some christmas lights, a train track and so on

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the train track is really cool

deft pewter
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Do you have a link?

odd kindle
deft pewter
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I love the marketing on the wi-charge site:

Work at room-sized distances and beyond without losing power as the distance grows.

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They seem to have broken the inverse square rule.

dusky plank
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i don‘t feel very comfortable with coils, much less with power in the air

deft pewter
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Beaming it seems decent... but LoS as a requirement ruins it.

forest edge
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I seen those at CES. Shit looks like it's begging to be a tumor starter

deft pewter
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A narrow beam of IR isn't going to do anyone much harm, especially if the targeting is decent.

last dirge
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I have a picture from CES probably 18 years ago now where they had a TV sitting on a plexiglass block about a foot from the wall

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they were beaming power and full HD video to it

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wireless power and HDMI

deft pewter
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Kinda depressing we're still so far off that tech being mainstream

forest edge
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the more wireless crap they make the shittier shit becomes in my opinion.

dark oasis
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I am starting to realize that I had a real life before I discovered HA

forest edge
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there is no spoon

dark oasis
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This is one of the most enjoyables time sinks that I found so far. Super easy to get hooked. Soon I will have spent so much money on my house that I will have to life on the streets.

forest edge
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well you'll realize you could have settled for a quarter of the crap you bought just fine anyways

dark oasis
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yes, probably 🙂

shy comet
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now that they did a borat sequel i feel like i need more ali g in my life

deft pewter
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I'm looking forward to watching Borat Gift of Pornographic Monkey to Vice Premiere Mikhael Pence to Make Benefit Recently Diminished Nation of Kazakhstan.

shy comet
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yea im wawtching it tonight after Live Rescue lol

shy comet
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wow my job isnt planning on having people back in offices before q2 2021

deft pewter
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Mine was going to tell us to come back this quarter... until shit hit the fan again in the UK.

shy comet
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wow

clever mortar
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We're on go to the office if you need to, either for personal or business reasons

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Plenty of folks like being able to escape their single room flat...

deft pewter
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wow indeed. There's zero reason for most of us to go to an office at all, let alone during a pandemic.

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Yeah, home working isn't for everyone, I'll give you that.

last dirge
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my wife's organization decided to not renew their office space lease at the end of the year

clever mortar
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I'm lucky, in that I have a dedicated home office

deft pewter
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But those whose jobs allow it and who get on fine in isolation shouldn't be forced to return to an office.

shy comet
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ive been WFH for 6 years now and i love it

last dirge
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@shy comet same

deft pewter
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This was my first time doing fulltime WFH and I love it. Wouldn't go back if I had the choice.

last dirge
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it was nice to occasionally go somewhere else and work for a while though

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like a coffee shop

deft pewter
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I get the impression I won't be asked what my preference is.

shy comet
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lol my occassional travel would be to the Mumbai office

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but that aint happening for a while lol

clever mortar
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Yeah, I'm happy to go into the office once a week or so, though I suspect I'll end up going in a couple of times a week in the end - when "normal" returns

shy comet
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i was supposed to go before shit hit the fan in February

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but my wife was like are you kidding?

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@deft pewter my hope is that some companies will begin to realzie the cost savings and how happy their employees are but the problem is that its not for everyone and very easy to abuse the trust in a WFH environment

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personally i just make sure to respond ASAP to any email or slack message

deft pewter
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As a software dev, my boss would soon know if I wasn't working... nothing would get done 😄

clever mortar
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We, thankfully, are mostly on the if your job is getting done, we're not looking too closely at how

deft pewter
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That's how it should be.

clever mortar
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Yup

shy comet
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lol

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@clever mortar isnt that the best motto?

deft pewter
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I think it's all down to finances. The businesses that are going WFH are doing it to save money.

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My employer just signed new leases before Corona...

shy comet
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companies that trust their employees ❤️

deft pewter
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They don't wanna admit it's a mistake, so they'll force us to use the space they're paying for.

clever mortar
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Dear employer, we're off to somebody that allows WFH, kthx bai

deft pewter
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Yeah, I can see that becoming a distinct possibility if enough other employers go WFH.

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We have problems with hiring as it is. It'll only get harder when other places offer better benefits and work/life balance.

clever mortar
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Even before this started we had staff that were 100% WFH anyway, just nominally attached to an office

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In a few cases, their "local" office was many many hours away

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Like the person working in deepest darkest Devon, based out of Bristol...

deft pewter
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The bit that pisses me off the most... we have some 100% WFH too, and yet the execs tell us that we're an office-based company...

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They talk like it's a blanket policy when there are no end of exceptions already.

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The missus works for the same company and her entire department WFH... yet the line I keep hearing is that I'll have to return.

shy comet
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honestly q2 2021 is still pretty optimistic

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it assumes that everyone will do the right thing until then which is impossible

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because those were the same assumptions we had back in march, then may, and now october

last dirge
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@deft pewter dat micromanagement doe

deft pewter
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What micromanagement?

last dirge
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that's why they want you in the office

deft pewter
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My line manager trusts me. It's way higher than that.

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They know the work's getting done as quickly now as it was pre-Corona.

last dirge
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they're trying to look busy

deft pewter
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I can think of zero logical arguments for a return to offices for software development companies.

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If some want to go, sure. I get how being at home all the time could get lonely.

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The real kicker... we'll be forced to go back because they claim we need face-to-face meetings to be effective. One dude on my team is based 200 miles away. We never have face-to-face meetings.

upper apex
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im trying to figure out how to "pull" the temperature out of HA's defualt weather entity "weather.home" so that I can make a sensor to show outside air temperature... what channel should I ask that in?

deft pewter
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Any that don't specifically state 'no support' in the topics 🤷‍♂️

last dirge
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@upper apex integrations

upper apex
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thanks for the helpful answer

inner lava
last dirge
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worst software ever?

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ooh, we're up to 36% now

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and it's just idle

deft pewter
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Haha. I've been having trouble with mine lately too. Started using the web client instead.

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The main window of the native one occasionally freezes on me. Notifications keep coming through, no visible change on the UI.

subtle pasture
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@last dirge Heh, I have teams open all day. The only time there's much CPU usage is during video calls

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My current highest-usage process is bouncing between Firefox and Discord, which kinda makes sense

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Re: Work from home.
What's funny is, right before COVID hit, I was negotiating for more work-from-home days in my calendar. lol

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Boss didn't want to give me more than my current "one day a week" schedule... not two weeks later, I'm 100% work from home

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It really does feel like management either has A) trust issues, or B) feels like they have no purpose themselves when they can't micromanage people physically in an office space

static schooner
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Starting a pandemic is kinda drastic

deft pewter
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It's all trust.

shy comet
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lol now costco has covid test kits

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because you know having 50 on deck is what we all need right now

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"oh you wnat to come in my house? please take this 15 minute test before i say yes"

tidal bronze
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@shy comet really ?

shy comet
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about costco? yea just got the email they want 150 lol

deft pewter
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$3/test? That's not bad.

subtle pasture
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Free COVID testing at @shy comet's place

deft pewter
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Shame your visitors have to stand outside in the rain for 15 minutes.

shy comet
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hahah

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@deft pewter it actually sounded like it was for 1 test lol

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i thought that testing and vaccine etc.. was supposed to be free for americans? 🤔

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seems to only be that way if ur getting a medical operation since the test is included and has to be done before being admitted

deft pewter
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Free healthcare for Americans? That'll be the day.

dull chasm
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exactly why the boston tea party started

last cedar
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Lots of bosses like to see their employees, for control reasons I think.

I couldn't do my job remotely, but I wouldn't like being 100% remote either!

shy comet
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i remember wehn yahoo did their major shift a few years ago and had a ton of remote employees they came to find out how bad their employees were

hollow glacier
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Texan here on day 4 of no test results yet :/

shy comet
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peopel never logging into VPN for one

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there may be hope for a nintendo switch integration 🙂 just found this while doing a search https://pypi.org/project/nxbt/ not a fan of the entire setup process though lol

last dirge
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I'm never NOT on the VPN

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for some reason the infrastructure team routes everything over the VPN

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rather than only the traffic that needs to get to the LAN

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that was ... fun when everyone started working from home

clever mortar
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Always tunnel VPNs caused a few problems at the start of WFH 😄

shy comet
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whats your VPN timeout at? or no timeout lol

last dirge
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no timeout

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they switched off of Cisco hardware to something else

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uses a client called GlobalConnect

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sorry, GlobalProtect

shy comet
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that what we got lol

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and we made the same switch ahah

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i get kicked out like after 12-16 hours i think? maybe 24

subtle pasture
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@last dirge They likely tunnel everything so that their on-prem security appliance can monitor/protect all traffic

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If they allowed regular web browsing to bypass the VPN, it blows a gaping hole in the security model they depend on for machines that have access to the company LAN

dull chasm
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yea tell him

subtle pasture
#

That said, cloud firewalls (with client software on the endpoint) are becoming a thing

dull chasm
#

i see brain just needs to accept and adapt

subtle pasture
#

Pretty much. Running your firewall in the cloud means all of your remote workers can take advantage of the internet connectivity present in a datacenter somewhere, which is usually multi-gigabit

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Tends to be easier and cheaper to go that route than to install the required internet connection on-prem

dull chasm
#

well i think he needs to make sure his go cart is charged and move forward with modern tech ... @last dirge

last dirge
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it is on-prem

dull chasm
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but is go cart charged

last dirge
#

always

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I don't really care about the VPN

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but I've almost always got an active DB connection that's running a local server against a remote DB

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which is talkative

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they tried to convince me that I should get rid of this laptop and use a Citrix VDI

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I laughed at them

dull chasm
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thats not right ..... sounds like your being a bully

last dirge
#

sure, it makes far more sense for them to give me a crappy chromebook that does nothing but connect to a remote VDI

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because I'm sure that's somehow cheaper

subtle pasture
#

I mean... if they run Citrix on-prem, then the database, front-end server, and desktop, are all on the same network together

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That would likely perform better and use less bandwidth

last dirge
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less bandwidth, yeah

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but it'd be completely beholden to their network being available

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which is spotty

subtle pasture
#

Kinda sounds like you already are. Connection goes down, you can't connect to the database server

last dirge
#

I mean the citrix stuff

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they have VDI problems constantly

dull chasm
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we must all get along

last dirge
#

they were also saying that the VDI would be "cleaned" nightly and restored to how it was before I logged in

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which makes zero sense for software development

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cool, let me clone all of these git repos

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daily

subtle pasture
#

Strictly speaking, a lot of VDI solutions always boot up clean + re-attach your user profile (which would include your cloned git repos)

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They work off of a pre-prepared base image (usually a Windows 10 VM) and boot up a fresh instance of that + a non-persistent differencing disk + a persistent user profile

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Pretty cool tech, honestly. It even allows your entire session to be moved between physical servers without you noticing

dull chasm
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that is what i am talking about ^^^^

dusky plank
#

we have a all citrix system, the mobile clients use f5 vpn or sth like that. i can‘t access my local net either with that

last dirge
#

F5 is good shit

turbid stirrup
#

Citrix 🤢

dull chasm
#

damn is @clear ferry in here

turbid stirrup
#

Or rather, corporate it running Citrix and just wiping everyones profiles 🤮

odd kindle
#

influxdb2 here we go!

dusky plank
#

influx clients still compatible with influx2?

odd kindle
#

dunno

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oh, this is really nice. Influx2 can generate your telegraf config and provide it form an endpoint. Allowing you to start telegraf like this: telegraf --config http://ip/api/v2/telegrafs/token

fiery sorrel
#

hello :)

odd kindle
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Hello!

static schooner
clever mortar
deft pewter
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Hi, Inigo.

fiery sorrel
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i didn't know that word, I googled it

Inigo derives from the Castilian rendering (Íñigo) of the medieval Basque name Eneko.[1] Ultimately, the name means "my little (love)".[2]
😳

last dirge
#

is there a 6-fingered waving hand?

fiery sorrel
#

if there is then i want a one eyed , doritos shaped, emoji :)

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so, how was that week ? anything fun ?

wild grove
#

@scenic radish so yaml...

static schooner
#

<The Princess Bride, btw>

deft pewter
#

Inconceivable!

static schooner
#

that word, I don't think it means what you think it means...

clever mortar
#

For fans of the film, the book about the making of it is well worth a read IMO

tidal bronze
shy comet
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wow where do they got that lol

tidal bronze
#

Queens.

shy comet
#

nice yea looks like NY food lol

tidal bronze
#

Beef kebab, egg plant, rice, fries salad with white and red sauce.

odd kindle
#

ffs... trying to get the proxmox plugin to work with telegraf... keps giving me a weird error "Undefined but requested input"

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well... the proxmox plugin was release 2 days ago with 1.16, I'm on 1.15

shy comet
#

thanks for sharing

brisk glen
#

And... power is out again..

odd kindle
#

@shy comet sorry 😐 Figured someone might be interested in a proxmox plug for influx

brisk glen
#

Stop giving it weird requests

odd kindle
#

Well, it was because the proxmox plugin was so new 🙂

brisk glen
#

Well... my hobby has no power

polar walrus
#

Who would I bother about the banner on the merch store being broken?

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(Tagging @shy comet because he's Mister Documentation and that's the closest I can think of to the store lol)

fiery sorrel
#

there is a merch store ?

shy comet
#

umm

polar walrus
#

RIGHT?

last dirge
#

there's a merch store?

shy comet
#

LOL

brisk glen
#

Broken in what way? You are still using internet explorer?

polar walrus
#

It's a teespring

shy comet
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oh the shirt

last dirge
#

seems unofficial

polar walrus
#

YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS CONNECTED TO MY WORK VPN maybe that was it
Edit: it wasn't me

shy comet
deft pewter
shy comet
#

1650x600 LOL

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yea looks to be a broken image ahah

brisk glen
#

That guy needed a node red shirt

polar walrus
#

Nope, not my work filter, lol

brisk glen
#

Ah nice image

fiery sorrel
#

i have those on my cv to

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never finished that thing XD

shy comet
#

@polar walrus sent out a message to a few who should be able to look into that 🙂

polar walrus
#

Thanks dshokouhi! I figured you would know who was responsible for it, lol

shy comet
#

lol no prob 🙂 BTW I may be tagging you in a future PR for widgets since my PR was just merged

polar walrus
#

Ha, sounds good

fiery sorrel
#

Rainbow mug ... White/Blue mug ... Rainbow mug ... White/Blue mug .... ARRRF !

brisk glen
#

HA is going to probably get me to use Microsoft’s game streaming service

polar walrus
#

@fiery sorrel clearly they need to get a color-changing mug where the logo goes from white/blue to rainbow

fiery sorrel
#

that would be awesome!

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not that i need another mug ... 15+ is enought ... but i mean Home assistant mug !

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maybe you can add a rfid tag under it to make automate your coffe time

#

i need to plug my mir:ror back into something ...

last dirge
last cedar
#

@brisk glen you remembered to pay the electic bill right? :)

last dirge
#

Me: I can't understand them but for some reason that doesn't matter

brisk glen
#

Haha yes... power is out here lol

forest edge
#

once you enable mute it's not so bad..

deft pewter
last cedar
#

You don't realise how reliant you are on electric, till the power goes out

clever mortar
low harness
#

Are they wearing bike sprockets?

deft pewter
#

I have no idea what they are.

forest edge
#

getting a wickerman vibe in here

deft pewter
#

All I know is the music is catchy, their voices are amazing and they're not too bad looking either.

low harness
#

Their sound reminds me of Myst Revelation

forest edge
#

they have hairy armpits tho..

low harness
#

Did emoticons and avatars suddenly disappear for everyone or just for me?

clever mortar
#

Did you just enable compact mode?

low harness
clever mortar
#

Ah, Discord be broken again

#

I've had that happen before, some things load, some don't - whatever node you're connected to is FUBAR

#

Like when you upload an image, and the app won't show it, but if you click on it it shows fine in the browser...

last dirge
#

@low harness those do appear to be sprockets

deft pewter
#

More creepy wickerman vibes headed your way...

fiery sorrel
#

Not like that. Like this
hey mom ! i'm on a screenshoot

forest edge
#

just watched the witcher not long ago

low harness
#

Too bad no one can see your avatar in it.

fiery sorrel
#

mhe ... i mean i'm a sys and i added an html balise in the avatar... i make a fool of myself with it anyway

last dirge
#

what the hell, Teams

#

why are you using up 70% of my CPU?

tidal bronze
#

@last dirge having fun yet ?

last dirge
#

I'm so angry

#

I was wrapping up something and because of Teams, my IDE crashed

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so I killed Teams

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and now the stupid MS malware scanner is eating up my CPU

forest edge
#

ransomware

dark oasis
#

Friday night. Lets continue studying HA! 💪

subtle pasture
#

@last dirge Maybe your CPU is just weak 🤏

tidal bronze
#

they have hairy armpits tho..
@forest edge again, strange

subtle pasture
forest edge
#

@tidal bronze the world outside of veggifornia must be very mysterious and confusing to you lol

tidal bronze
#

Why you checking pits

last dirge
#

@subtle pasture how do you get it to show the cores?

dusky plank
#

right click on the diagram

last dirge
#

logical processors

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gotcha

subtle pasture
#

Yeah, that makes it show cores + threads

last dirge
#

I've only got 4 cores on this laptop

forest edge
#

@tidal bronze if you weren't so damn hippie you would have noticed it too

last dirge
#

she's unhappy too

subtle pasture
#

Always weird how Windows shows "@ 3GHz" when the chip is OCed and boosts to 4.5 GHz...

dusky plank
#

it shows 4.2 ghz 🤔

tidal bronze
#

@forest edge why would I look for that. Too much time in your hands buddy.

subtle pasture
#

@dusky plank It ramps up and down based on load, per-core

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It spends most of its time at 1.6 GHz

last dirge
#

ah yes

forest edge
#

now you are being strange, or you just go through life with your eyes closed lol @tidal bronze

dusky plank
#

do you want to burn energy when theres no need? load all those cores and enjoy some throttling?

subtle pasture
#

Oh, it won't throttle under load :3

tidal bronze
#

@forest edge always eyes closed. If it doesn't change my dinner menu, couldn't care less.

forest edge
#

if i ate what you ate i would want my eyes closed too

tidal bronze
#

Epic. Lmao.

subtle pasture
tidal bronze
#

Me likey. RTX 2070.

last dirge
#

lol, hard drive bay

forest edge
#

@subtle pasture that's too much gpu for solitaire

subtle pasture
#

This case had 8x 3.5" bays in the front

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Drilled out the rivets and removed the drive cage, no need

dusky plank
#

lol. big computer p* length comparison

subtle pasture
#

Yeah, I actually use the 5.25" bays, is the thing...

last dirge
#

for what?

subtle pasture
#

Optical drive and SATA hot swap bay

deft pewter
#

Drinks holders

last dirge
#

@deft pewter retractable drink holder

forest edge
#

mine has a cassette player

subtle pasture
#

They actually get used pretty regularly. Gotta be able to rip those BluRays

last dirge
#

or, hear me out

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nzbs

tidal bronze
#

Rip Blu rays ? Huh?

#

What year is this ?

forest edge
#

1988

dusky plank
#

i have this rarity.. intel i7 with amd graphics on a single „die“

📎 image0.jpg
subtle pasture
#

I mean, Brian here did just bring up newsgroups

last dirge
#

my case has 5.25 bays but there's no openings in the front panel for them

subtle pasture
#

Which is some ancient tech

last dirge
#

so...

tidal bronze
#

@subtle pasture is it a 1x caddy?

last dirge
#

wonder how much of the internet's bandwidth is spent transferring nzbs

subtle pasture
#

@tidal bronze The hot-swap bay? Caddieless 3.5"

tidal bronze
#

@last dirge don't think its much, at least now.

odd kindle
#

news groups are still live and happy

subtle pasture
#

I mostly use it to store full system image backups of my three SSDs

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Which Veeam then dutifully replicates to my NAS

forest edge
#

now we're going supra nerdy

subtle pasture
#

Local backup + replicate is actually a lot faster than backing up directly to the NAS, because Veeam can do the deduplication and collapse without going over the network

tidal bronze
#

Why Veeam sounds needy to you ?

deft pewter
#

wonder how much of the internet's bandwidth is spent transferring nzbs
@last dirge I thought most of it was spam emails?

odd kindle
#

@forest edge being here pretty much puts you in the 1% already don't you think?

deft pewter
#

Ah, video streaming apparently overtook that a long time ago already.

forest edge
#

@odd kindle I go find something to eat when the pocket protectors start to blind people with the light reflecting glare

odd kindle
#

I don't even know what that means 😐

forest edge
tidal bronze
#

What's the deal with all these Spotify "sleepy head" Playlists ?

subtle pasture
#

@tidal bronze Immediately thought of this...

tidal bronze
#

Everything sounds the same or do I fall asleep too quickly 🤣

dark oasis
#

I have just started reading HA GitHub

#

I was like having a lot of love for the project after spending weeks learning a lot about it and now I am heartbroken

subtle pasture
#

I've just realized how old that song is... and that the official video is only 360p

dark oasis
#

This is sad.

tidal bronze
#

So what's the verdict on moviefilm deux ?

subtle pasture
#

"Wow, some seriously retro effects on this video"
checks the quality and the date
"Oh... it just is that old..."

#

@dark oasis Wait, what's sad?

dark oasis
fathom sparrow
#

@dark oasis this is very suspicious

dark oasis
#

I was getting intrigued and thinking about collaborating one day, but I am honestly very pissed off by the responses to several PRs

#

what is suspicious, @fathom sparrow ?

deft pewter
#

How about some positivity?

#

Why join the Discord just to bring doom and gloom?

fathom sparrow
#

You posting this after an episode from another gentleman not so long ago

dark oasis
#

I joined to learn more about HA. But saw a discussion on #449717345808547842 regarding the position on YAML and went to check the GH issues

fathom sparrow
#

Exactly

dark oasis
#

Yeah, that made me look into GH

fathom sparrow
#

Are you the same person?

dark oasis
#

Er... no? Why would someone do that?

fathom sparrow
#

It was requested multiple times to that person not to bring it up. It’s been beaten to death

dark oasis
#

This isn't even the developers communication channel, AFAIK

#

humf, I have been talking about the tone, btw, not the YAML issue (which I also share the other user POV, to be honest, but I will not dig into that)

#

You can search my nickname to ensure that I am a real person in case you doubt

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I do not know if the other nickname is traceable

fathom sparrow
#

This topic has been going on for months. The project has chosen a direction.

deft pewter
#

Maybe take this somewhere else? People were having non-HA related chats in the non-HA related channel 😐

dark oasis
#

Yeah, I will not dig into the YAML issue

deft pewter
#

Lounge is for shitposting.

dark oasis
#

I was just saying that it is a little bit sad how the interactions are

fathom sparrow
#

Yaml is not going away, only for specific integration types. That’s it.

dark oasis
fathom sparrow
#

I created an integration that was approved last week, yaml only. So please, do not perpetuate the BS that people do not understand.

last dirge
#

@fathom sparrow bit testy, eh?

fathom sparrow
#

Yeah I am. I asked the gentleman to stop, along with 3 other mods. That does not give anyone the right to start the convo back up in another channel.

dark oasis
#

I will limit myself to just technical questions and contributions then

#

I am not the other guy and I am not talking about the same thing

#

But I understand there is no room to talk about the project status and it is better to limit oneself to technical questions and responses

deft pewter
#

I think you're going to have to be less subtle, petro 😄

fathom sparrow
#

It’s not that. It’s that this topic is sorely misunderstood and always leads to arguments

#

Every time.

forest edge
#

🍿

deft pewter
forest edge
#

I blame @subtle pasture for this personally, nerd talk always ultimately ends up as nerd rage. good going there 🙄

subtle pasture
#

???

forest edge
#

|| was a joke ||

subtle pasture
#

I will throw cute catgirl gifs at you, so help me

#

I suppose I did ask what was wrong, initially. My bad 😛

tidal bronze
#

Epic stuff. Not even Hollywood could script this

#

Everyone is a Gladiator behind a keyboard.

#

Where was I, sleepy head Spotify Playlists 😴

#

@subtle pasture see what happens when you ask questions. 😆

odd kindle
#

lol, goes away to config some broken telegraf and miss all the action. The catgirl was cute tho.

fathom sparrow
#

I have iron fingers, when I type it’s super intimidating. I swear

odd kindle
#

@fathom sparrow make sure to have cherry <whatever color it is that clicks extra loud> as well

forest edge
subtle pasture
#

@fathom sparrow Mechanical keyboard gang, represent

tidal bronze
#

O to 30000 ft and the drama erupts.

subtle pasture
#

I've had people tell me they could tell I was busy down the hall from my office, because they could hear the typing. lol

odd kindle
#

spends waaay to much time browsing keyboards and accessories

tidal bronze
#

@subtle pasture pretty sure you gave a very high ambient noise level at home

forest edge
#

lol packard bell keyboards

subtle pasture
#

@odd kindle I have the opposite problem. I've found basically my personal "perfect keyboard," and if they ever stop producing it I don't know what I'll do 😭

static schooner
#

stockpile

odd kindle
#

@subtle pasture well, to be honest it's more keycaps and, is it called mousepads?

tidal bronze
#

@forest edge good old days.

static schooner
#

"this is my keyboard closet..."

subtle pasture
#

https://codekeyboards.com/
This guy, specifically the "Cherry MX Clear" switch version. I bought one for home and another for work. lol

forest edge
#

@tidal bronze they were quality made for sure lol

tidal bronze
#

They come rebranded as mechanical now. Put 2 leds and shits hype

dusky plank
#

BUT I LIKE MY YAML FILES!

subtle pasture
#

I suppose if they ever stop making CODE 104's, I could try a Unicomp

#

Legit buckling spring switches 😮

tidal bronze
#

@forest edge did you checkout borat 2

odd kindle
#

@subtle pasture must be nice to be able to have your own office tho, I have quiet keyboards out of respect for my coworkers at work 😐

subtle pasture
#

I mean, MX Clears aren't even the loudest switches

#

That honor goes to blues/greens

#

Clears are browns, with stiffer springs

forest edge
#

@tidal bronze no not yet. that dude is weird lol

odd kindle
#

@tidal bronze is it available on netflix or some other streaming service?

dusky plank
#

i think its

#

on prime

tidal bronze
#

Amazon.

dusky plank
#

my enter key is broken

#

"the spy" was really good imo

midnight adder
#

So, which MX caps are now the quiest?

subtle pasture
#

Red / black

fathom sparrow
#

@tidal bronze adjusting shirt or groping self?

odd kindle
#

oh! we got amazon here some time back. Then I can watch it

subtle pasture
#

However, MX Red and MX Black switches are linear

#

They don't have a tactile bump/click on actuation, so they're generally considered better for gaming and poorer for typing

midnight adder
#

I got red keys, but wouldn't say that they're quiet
But I have to say that they are very comfortable to type

tidal bronze
#

@fathom sparrow starting to watch now.

fathom sparrow
#

I haven’t seen it but it’s been the topic at work

dusky plank
#

I hate loud keys, I#m grateful for my airpods pro but if I forget them @ home I will throw my chair at you. thankfully everyone is in home office now

fathom sparrow
#

Borat made a response video due to the popularity of that one scene

subtle pasture
#

Every time I try to type on Red or Black switches, I bottom out the keys because they don't have any feedback on actuation 😬

#

Which, yeah, makes typing rather loud

tidal bronze
#

@fathom sparrow heard about it

subtle pasture
#

browns/clears/blues/greens, you can tell when the switch actuates before it bottoms out, which I personally like

dusky plank
#

this channel needs way more 🤢
so take some 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢

#

🤢

midnight adder
#

I added some.. condom... Rings ? Under the keycaps - hoped more but I mean it's ok

subtle pasture
#

lol, condom rings

#

they're rubber o-rings

odd kindle
#

erh... some what now?

subtle pasture
#

They go around the base of each switch, and make bottoming-out less audible

midnight adder
#

Where is @atxbyea?

fathom sparrow
#

Putting on condom rings

dusky plank
#

ona dark site

midnight adder
#

They are a little condomY likely :D

subtle pasture
fathom sparrow
#

It’s like that time I said pizza dust when I was a teenager

midnight adder
#

Perfectly fine, I know what you mean :D

odd kindle
#

gives up on stupid stupid Proxmox and Telegraf and goes to forget this day instead

forest edge
#

atx has been mia a couple of days I think

subtle pasture
#

Oof, proxmox...

midnight adder
#

Go open stack!

subtle pasture
#

ESXi is also free...

midnight adder
#

You lol probably hate your days even more but it's quite a nice feeling getting it fone

odd kindle
#

@subtle pasture it's not proxmox in itself that is acting up atm, it's the telegraf plug for it.

#

But I'm giving up on it for today

subtle pasture
#

Doesn't OpenStack still require 3 nodes minimum infrastructure?

midnight adder
#

Nah

subtle pasture
#

It's meant to run on multiple racks of servers in huge clusters

#

Little bit weird getting it going in a homelab

midnight adder
#

True, you can do that too but single node deployment is out there and even lined out in the docks

subtle pasture
#

Last time I checked, the "single node deployment" was still 3 nodes.. but they virtualized two of them

#

So your base configuration is already a physical host running two VMs

dusky plank
#

whats the reason you can run hyperv or any other vm on windows though? I don't get it, and is WSL depending on hyperv? never looked into that...

anyway 🤢

subtle pasture
#

@dusky plank WSL1 doesn't depend on HyperV. WSL2 does.

midnight adder
#

There are lot of "projects" I think you refere to packstsck. You could also use devstack, personally I run kolla

subtle pasture
#

WSL1 runs Linux syscalls directly on the NT kernel (GNU + NT), WSL2 spins up a small virtual machine along side Windows, where a full Linux kernel runs

dusky plank
#

so yeah, it's essentially just like any other vm but this time you call it smol

#

still no reason why other hypervisors don't run with hyperv enabled

subtle pasture
#

@dusky plank I mean, it is small, and a single kernel instance can be shared amongst other VMs and containers, shrinking their footprints

odd kindle
#

@subtle pasture wait, why don't you like Proxmox?

subtle pasture
#

@dusky plank You can run virtualization nested inside of Hyper-V, actually

dusky plank
#

this is like a whole layer of complexity on top of simple thinking

subtle pasture
#

When you enable Hyper-V, your base Windows install is turned into a special class of virtual machine. Just having Hyper-V enabled puts everything you do inside a VM

#

So when you have Hyper-V enabled, and spin up a WSL2 instance, Windows and Linux literally run side-by-side, not one on top of the other

dusky plank
#

so that's maybe why you can't pass through things

subtle pasture
#

Yeah, most host hardware is passed to the "parent" Windows install by default

#

Which is why it feels almost identical to a native install, in spite of now being a VM

dusky plank
#

it's still the NT kernel that takes over the host I believe? makes no sense to me

#

seems like somewhere down the road they will hit a dead end, but maybe thats just my thinking

subtle pasture
#

NT kernel runs on top of Hyper-V

dusky plank
#

at this point you can just use a regular small hypervisor to run your NT kernel and linux kernel

subtle pasture
#

That's what Hyper-V is, lol

dusky plank
#

yeah, with conditions though

subtle pasture
#

?

#

It's a hypervisor that runs guest operating systems and containers. It's actually incredibly similar to how Proxmox is set up, which relies on KVM to do the same thing

midnight adder
dusky plank
#

yea but you can actually assign hardware to wherever you need them

subtle pasture
#

You can pass network interfaces, PCIe devices, and USB devices, directly to virtual machines, yes

#

Same thing that ESXi and Proxmox let you do

forest edge
#

I feel as though we are losing lounge..

dusky plank
#

proxmox is just a mashup for kvm with a UI. horribly done but works

subtle pasture
#

I did mention its dependency on KVM above, yeah

dusky plank
#

just for you sonoma

midnight adder
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I actually seen a proxmox server in a production environment, but to be fair, in a university

dusky plank
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nasty

subtle pasture
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@odd kindle I have a number of reasons for avoiding Proxmox. The poor industry support, poor documentation, and the fact that it's not an embedded OS, being chief among them

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Poor industry support is a big one. I can't rely on any standard tools to work with a Proxmox install. There's almost no support for backup software of any kind...

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Also, I'll never deploy it for work... ever... so even fewer reasons to learn it

dusky plank
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would you deplpy kvm?

subtle pasture
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Depends on what we're talking about running

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Most small businesses do fine with a single ESXi or Hyper-V host

hollow glacier
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arent a bunch of smb's going to AAD and just not having much on prem?

subtle pasture
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I'm more likely to deploy XenServer than Proxmox, at this point

midnight adder
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But when you're running a business, is it possible that ESXi isn't free anymore?

subtle pasture
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@hollow glacier That's been a slow migration. Lots of companies still rely on line-of-business applications that cost too much to move to the cloud

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So they just keep their on-prem servers, running AD domain controllers and whatever else they need

hollow glacier
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yeah

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i'd always heard proxmox was just debian with a gui and some tools

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so didnt expect it to replace enterprise hypervisors

subtle pasture
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@midnight adder Well yeah, and if you need 2+ nodes for uptime / redundancy, then you need a vSphere license of some kind to run vCenter

hollow glacier
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vmware locking vcenter behind a paywall sucks hard for learning :/

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and all the hardware necessary to really learn and play with esxi + vcenter

midnight adder
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Have one of these suckers at work.
The pricing change hit us bad

subtle pasture
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@hollow glacier A VMUG membership is only $200 a year, and includes licenses for all VMWare products

hollow glacier
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iw as told vmug does not include vcenter

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mamma's wrong again?

midnight adder
subtle pasture
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Says it includes vSphere 7 licenses, which should include vCenter

midnight adder
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I mean VMware isn't oracle

hollow glacier
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so i suppose that's new

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good to know tho

subtle pasture
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Worth mentioning Hyper-V's free version supports clustering, so no licensing needed just to set up an HA/failover cluster in your homelab 😛

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Microsoft probably has the most feature-complete free hypervisor amongst paid hypervisors

midnight adder
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But but Microsoft 🤢

hollow glacier
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yeah but that

subtle pasture
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That honor used to go to XenServer, but they screwed up their free version massively

hollow glacier
dusky plank
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hyperv should just die

hollow glacier
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$29 1080p cam..

dusky plank
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sooooo

subtle pasture
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Not my fault Microsoft has a free hypervisor with more features and better hardware compatibility than ESXi free 🤷‍♀️

midnight adder
dusky plank
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🤸‍♀️

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🦽 🏌️‍♂️

subtle pasture
midnight adder
#

Soo.. Edward Snowdon is a Russian now

dusky plank
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blyat

midnight adder
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Nothing else interesting on my timeline for now... Sad but it's getting late here in Europe 👋

forest edge
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@tidal bronze how the hell did they film and release borat 2 so fast?

dusky plank
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editors in home office

subtle pasture
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@forest edge Damn, that was fast... released directly to Amazon Prime Video, as well

dusky plank
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ali g doesn't give a damn

tidal bronze
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@forest edge now you know.

tidal bronze
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@subtle pasture cool shoes.

dense garden
#

Out of curiosity has anyone got the Reolink Argus 2 working? I’ve got a few of their POE cameras, but am trying to avoid running more CAT6, because the locations are hard to get to in the attic.

forest edge
mystic beacon
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Where do people here find out about everyone's new creative ideas involving home assistant?

wet pilot
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usually the forums

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or reddit

prisma cape
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Hi people. I need some honest advice, I used to install home automation C4/RTI mostly but have no coding experience. I was looking at tinkering with a Fibaro HC3 when I was told that HA is so much better. The more I look into the product the more it scares me out of using it. I guess my question is, with no experience with coding should I even be considering using this product? I just want some simple integration, lights, alarm, thermostat. Is this program simple enough to install and start adding items too? TIA for even reading this 😊

odd kindle
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@subtle pasture hm, so you'd vote for ESXi for home then?

subtle pasture
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ESXi is usually my first choice, if possible

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The hardware requirements are more-strict that most other hypervisors, though

odd kindle
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lol 🙂 you're answering me after I've gone to bed and you're up when I go up

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proxmox fit very well with what I wanted a year back or so and I've been very happy with it. But I do agree with broken backups

subtle pasture
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It's a Friday night, I can stay up late, lol

clever mortar
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@prisma cape Coding isn't required. A lot can be done in the UI, and there's even external options for UI based automation (see #node-red-archived). Not everything is UI though, but honestly... if you're willing to learn you'll be fine

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Only folks I see struggling are those who just want spoon fed answers

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Oh, and I'd argue that YAML isn't coding - it's just a configuration file, not actual "go write some Python"

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If in doubt, throw it in a VM and play around for a while, there's a lot you can do without connecting to any hardware

subtle pasture
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Yeah, never had a problem with YAML. It's the darn jinja templates that always take me a while to get right

clever mortar
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Most of my non-trivial templating has come from the work of others...

odd kindle
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@subtle pasture us then I take it 🙂

subtle pasture
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Yeah

odd kindle
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random thinking of a tired soul. Why is scenes entity ids named in a good way but not scripts

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I decided a while back that I'd see how far I could get with only the admin ui. Atm I'm doing everything from there. Except for a couple of old scripts I have that are doing very specific things

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There's also hacs that will provide lots of added integrations if you're missing anything

dusky plank
dusky plank
forest edge
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so hard that it's showing you the categories!

prisma cape
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@clever mortar thanks for the reply! Much appreciated

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dusky plank
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no botspam for me 😓

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ok got it back

odd kindle
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@dusky plank I can see Infra, weird

tacit tapir
#

Do you guys use settings -> helpers or configuration.yaml for adding new helpers? Can't decide what to use.

young sigil
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Yes we do use settings / helpers or configuration.yaml for adding new helpers.

forest edge
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@tacit tapir dosen't matter, both work the same way

last cedar
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Only santa has helpers

forest edge
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Gonna be cold as shit here on Halloween night lol

deft pewter
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Are people actually going to be out on Halloween night?

forest edge
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in civilized countries, yes

deft pewter
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Could you name a civilised country that goes trick or treating and doesn't have massive rates of Coronavirus infection?

forest edge
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Ireland

deft pewter
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Given they just imposed lockdown again, I doubt it.

dull chasm
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i dont know any "civilised countries"

forest edge
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you obviously never been to North Korea then ||lol||

dull chasm
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been within 30 meters

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but look at spelling ...that was my joke .....although i cant spell good either

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well actually less than that ....i have been in the 'no zone room" which is the border and both countrys occupy and the only place for ordered for true no fire zone

deft pewter
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The DMZ? I wouldn't fancy going there.

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Didn't they shoot across that recently?

forest edge
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@dull chasm bet that was fun lol

dusky plank
#

wait you say trumpsy and kimbo aren‘t bffs?

frank quail
#

Hey everyone! 👋

dull chasm
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@deft pewter yes the dmz .... i spent 10 years in and out of south korea ...most from the 38th parrell

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@forest edge actually its kinda cool but very tense place ....kutusa's (south korean solders) and north korean soldiers accopy the room 24/7

forest edge
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should have lit a firecracker

dusky plank
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can‘t they play uno or sth? must be a boring job

dull chasm
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and be answered with 155 howizters ...no thanks

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being a soilder is not a job

tidal bronze
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@forest edge so when do you leave to go trick or treating?

dull chasm
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@tidal bronze 👋 sorry i been absent beeen working way to many hours ...seeing society at its worst is draining

tidal bronze
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Always look at the brighter side 😃

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Been a long week too.

dull chasm
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i do over and over but stand near the lines and be cussed at over and over gets to ya

tidal bronze
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I hear you. As with anything I like to believe it's a phase. Comes and goes.

dull chasm
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i hope so .....its the younger folks ...so i pray its not the new mentality

tidal bronze
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Pretty sure our parents thought the same way 😆

dull chasm
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i really do hope ...

forest edge
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@tidal bronze as soon as you go into the bathroom and give your boss the finger

tidal bronze
#

Wowza that turned south pretty quick

dull chasm
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a guy was beaten because he was wearing a shirt that said ...... i stand for the flag and knell for the cross....he was just walking down the sidewalk ....its hard for me to understand that type of anger

forest edge
#

hulk smash

dull chasm
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?

forest edge
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in this country nothing is "shocking" or "surprising" when it comes to people's attitudes and choices lol

tidal bronze
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Plus with everything that's going on takes very little to blow a gasket

dusky plank
dull chasm
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well i dont understand that ...i am very catholic and old fashioned ....i see things i dont agree with and/or dont like but i am not even going to say anything to ya much less beat ya

forest edge
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some people just want to watch the world burn, that was a line in a movie but it's very true

tidal bronze
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I agree.

dusky plank
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some people are also too stupid to see the effects of a burning world

tidal bronze
#

I guess it will be 2022 summer when things get back to somewhat normal.

forest edge
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I dunno, cali is probably more slated for 2042

tidal bronze
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Lol. Don't you worry about Cali, it will be just fine.

forest edge
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people posting videos of the skies in colorado from the fires.. shit is weird lol

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imagine all the hemp going up in flames and all those hippies crying over it

tidal bronze
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What's up in Colorado?

forest edge
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there are wildfires in colorado now

tidal bronze
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Oh 🙄

forest edge
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two separate fires, both largest ever recorded

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the sky is orange lol

dusky plank
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gibe link

forest edge
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this year really is turning into a sign of the apocalypse lol

dusky plank
#

we austrians live in forest cities, you know

tidal bronze
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@forest edge you can say that again. 😆

forest edge
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eons ago we use to take steps to limit the chances of such fires, but then mcdonalds came around and well.. it's too much work to get off the couch

dull chasm
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isnt it keto ' donalds out west ...green leafs to pick instead of patty

bitter zinc
#

Does anyone know of a z wave power measuring smart plug that works well for them? I want to be able to trigger automations based on my Apple Watch being placed on the charger.

dull chasm
bitter zinc
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Ok thanks

dull chasm
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np

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damn i didnt follow the rules ....dang

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dull chasm
#

🤣 @clever mortar

clever mortar
fiery sorrel
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hello :)
Quick question, How do you call the oposite of a radio select list ?
I am looking for something like that to select multiple thing in a list, but without the right word, result are sparsed.

clever mortar
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HTML forms have names for those things 😉

fiery sorrel
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aside off "checkbox" i didn't find how list like that are caled sadly

odd kindle
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@fiery sorrel in html a checkbox allows for multiple selections, a radiobox only one

fiery sorrel
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ok that is the name i've use for my search but came out empty handed :(

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thank you anyway, i'll keep looking around the forum for "checkbox" list

dusky plank
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<select> maybe

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but thats just single option 😛

forest edge
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@odd kindle in html it's multiple checkboxs in a fieldset

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or radio for that matter

fiery sorrel
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yup can't find any cutome integration or lovelace ui trick to have a checkbox list on the forum, i'll make my own thing :)

light trout
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You call that a combobox

odd kindle
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@forest edge a fieldset is a good thing to wrap them in yes, but not always needed

forest edge
odd kindle
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@forest edge sorry?

forest edge
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ops

odd kindle
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So I wonder if I should get another ssd and play around with esxi a bit

dusky plank
#

nah, just boost this server

forest edge
#

Shelly wants 12 bucks to ship an 8 buck accessory through USPS. I'm sorry.. what in the actual fuck.

odd kindle
#

ffs... parents and reading. I have a small raspberrypi setup at their place for some backup. It's not responding, I asked them if they'd accidentally turned it off. They respond with a photo of it and saying "It's blinking, we'll restart it" They have no other way but to pull out the power for it to restart... that's not ideal for a raspberry pi. I've told them that many times

forest edge
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@odd kindle hook up a push button restart using the gpio pins. that is crazy simple. I even used one of those breadboard buttons and glued it to the top of the case lol

odd kindle
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That's actually a good idea. But it's been really stable. It's not needed a restart for a year. Except for when they've accidentally just unplugged it.

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What have happened a few times is their external IP changing

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So I acked what https://api.my-ip.io gave them, they responeded "Ok"

MyIP

What's my IP? MyIP provides a blisteringly simple HTTP based API you can call.

forest edge
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I used an old rpib as a vpn at my mothers once, setup a button that would reboot it and had various scripts that would update the ip and even reboot the pi every so often just to refresh things. worked flawlessly for quite some time

hollow glacier
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@odd kindle why not just setup ddns and a docker container (add on) to update cloudflare or whatever with new wan ip? Domain names be cheap

supple moss
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CHIP?!

odd kindle
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@hollow glacier sure. But that does take some time

hollow glacier
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Nuh uh

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20 minutes

odd kindle
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Yes, it does

hollow glacier
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Maybe

odd kindle
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No

hollow glacier
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Compared to walking through parents do anything

odd kindle
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It just doesn’t. Anything computer related takes more than 20 minutes

hollow glacier
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Ah

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I assumed you could already access it remotely

odd kindle
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I should have set up ddns from the start, but I was sure they had a static IP.

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But, this was also something I spent as little time as possible on to see if it actually would work ok. Even spending 1h in ddns (nothing takes only 20 minutes in reality) would have been to much time

hollow glacier
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Yeah I hear you

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But you quoting how long it takes you to do it doesn’t mean that’s how long it needs to take 🤐

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😘

odd kindle
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I’m sure I could set it up in 10 minutes. But in the end it’ll have taken an hour.

clever mortar
#

These days I drop a VPN client on the remote devices, and have them VPN back home. Solves all sorts of remote access issues 😉

odd kindle
#

_is rather used to estimating development. _

deft pewter
#

_is rather used to estimating development. _
You say that like noone else here is.

clever mortar
#

🤣

odd kindle
#

You should always add 20% and then multiply by 3 to get a decent estimate

clever mortar
#

Then you don't do enough 😉

deft pewter
#

You're on a server full of devs and dev ops types.

odd kindle
#

@deft pewter I’m sure all are

clever mortar
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My internal estimate of time required is usually within 10%
My public estimate is significantly higher
My private estimate is usually between 1.5 and 2 times

odd kindle
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@clever mortar that’s actually a good idea. WireGuard ftw

clever mortar
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PiVPN is almost impossible to set up wrong

odd kindle
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@deft pewter but I’m taking about myself here.

deft pewter
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Exactly. Which is why Hmoney is spot on:

But you quoting how long it takes you to do it doesn’t mean that’s how long it needs to take 🤐

odd kindle
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@clever mortar I don’t really want it to exist on my local network tho. The entire idea is for it to be disconnected from any hacking

deft pewter
#

I could estimate that it would take me 6 hours and my estimate might be accurate... it's still longer than it needs to take.

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Can we start the air gap conversation back up if we're talking about making things 100% secure? 😄

clever mortar
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If in doubt, get an expert to do it

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If you're the expert, you've done something wrong, or right

odd kindle
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Well, getting an expert to do it costs a lot more. The fact that it’s a raspberry pi should give you and indication of my budget

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Imho what I’ve done works very well and have been very solid for at least a year. With the small catch that when I did it I believed my parents had a static IP.

dusky plank
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as long as you dont use pptp 🤷‍♂️

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oh and punching ssh tunnels for a single client takes ~2‘ and has the same effect

odd kindle
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That’s what I’m doing now, ssh not pptp

stable flint
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shoudl i just install debian 10 then

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?

clever mortar
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Yes

stable flint
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wait before i do the machine has 512mb of ram

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will that be fine or do i have to upgrade

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also 40gb of storage

odd kindle
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I ran debian just fine on way less than 512mb back in the days.

stable flint
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will try thanks!

odd kindle
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but it all depends on what you're going to do with it

stable flint
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ha core, cups and sane

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thats it

forest edge
#

I swear the more they say people need to wear masks on the news the more people go out and don't in spite. Like those dogs who chew your shoes lol

stable flint
#

also as daemon

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not in terminal because its just plain annoying

odd kindle
#

We've not been doing masks at all here, stupid thing is that I think most would use them if gov just told us to

stable flint
#

fax

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also sorry to ping @odd kindle do you still think that woudl be enough?

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im installing debiannow

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brb

odd kindle
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Nowdays I mostly do Alpine for simple setups, but that's just me

stable flint
#

but debian is the only official one supported right?

clever mortar
#

Generally speaking, most folks here know Debian if you need help with it. Many guides you find will be Debian based.