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steel crag
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DDR4 i take it

last dirge
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just voted in a run-off election

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I was the 46th ballot cast in 7 hours of the polls being open

orchid rose
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DDR3 at 3200-3600 would be pretty pog

lost sable
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Hi all, not 100% sure where to ask this but is there any news on HassOS usb booting from a pi4 without an sd card?

steel crag
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I think that's in prerelease 5.0

lost sable
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ok cool. I setup with sd card at home but just got a pi4 for the work hass and would love to straight out usb boot

last dirge
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I thought the pi4 could never boot without the SD

steel crag
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5th bullet point

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@trail crag could tell you more I'm sure

last dirge
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looks like it requires firmware flash for the pi

trail crag
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you do have to update the pi4 yeah

steel crag
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I thought that was only for the 8gb

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but could be my (mis)understanding

trail crag
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after that, booting from an ssd is possible with 5.0

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5.0 adds support for 8GB and USB boot for pi4

lost sable
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Well I have done all the firmware updates and flashed Development 5 build 1 to my SSD but just a blank screen not sure what I am doing wrong

dusky plank
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I'm not a gamer but maybe someone here can answer me a question... up to how many ms is steam link and alternatives useable?
I want to stream my desktop, not games but I have about 10ms ping between my devices

steel crag
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well considering the PS4 controller does 50ms sometimes

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I'd say 10ms is fine

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I've played on my phone with steam link and never been upset at lag

glass kiln
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no add on store, etc

clever mortar
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.topic ๐Ÿ˜‰

velvet horizonBOT
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The topic of this channel is:

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BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

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clever mortar
steel crag
clever mortar
steel crag
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is what you want

dusky plank
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can I stream my desktop with steamlink?

steel crag
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@dusky plank yes

dusky plank
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perfect thanks

steel crag
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no worries

lost sable
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@trail crag Tried Dev 5.0 as well as 5.1 but still no boot just ends up blank screen after quick rpi bios. Tried also running rpi-update instead up updating via apt but now won't boot sd either ๐Ÿ˜†

low harness
vast lily
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any of you electrical engineers or the like who can answer this question....... in neighborhoods, there is 3 phase primary wires running at the top of the pole. Then they will take 1 of those primary wires and branch it off down a street to power a subdivision or street. However, its just 1 single wire, 1 single phase going to these neighborhoods and then those connect to transformers and supply power to the houses at 240/110v in the usa. I know that if you have 2 phases you can balance it and dump the rest to ground but since there is only 1 single wire/phase running down these streets, how in the hell does the power return to the source? The only thing i can think of is they use ground return but based on googling it seems that is mainly used for rural systems, it seems there are potential dangers of it having too much potential near the ground pooints so i doubt that is what they are using in urban neighbohoods.

trail crag
low harness
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Is it possible that the wire you see are actually several insulated conductors twisted together?

last dirge
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rural stuff is 3-phase

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err urban

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rural stuff is center-tapped 240V

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suburban stuff too

steel crag
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rural stuff is center-tapped 240V
@last dirge you're in US?

last dirge
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yeah

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really rural stuff, like farms with heavy equipment might even have 3 phase power

steel crag
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here our power company often 'drops' a phase

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resulting in half your house having power

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LMFAO

last dirge
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ours is center-tapped at the transformer

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we can't lose a phase

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the transformer has stopped working if so ๐Ÿ™‚

steel crag
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well we lose power so much I im starting to think they have hamsters running in wheels for power generation

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during the summer months it's not uncommon for them to turn off neighborhoods 6 hours at a time to load shed

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shit I've been shed for 12+ hours before

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people often ask me how I still have internet 8 hours into a power outage

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"not my first rodeo" is my response ๐Ÿ˜„

dull chasm
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center tapped is the nuetral you can still drop a leg

steel crag
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it was Cribbs who said you can't drop a phase with center tapped ๐Ÿ˜„

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I just said ours drops often ๐Ÿ˜„

last dirge
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@dull chasm how can you drop a leg? The only way I could see that happening is if the transformer were damaged and in that case it'd have knock-on effects to the part that was still working, wouldn't it?

hushed basalt
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@vast lily I'm not sure how distribution is done where you live

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But here they run three phases ad neutral on the customer side of the transformer

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And share the phases between houses, or provide houses entire three phases plus neutral

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It would have to be a combined insulated wire like thomas said. My guess is single phase fwo legs plus neutral. So 3 cables in one.

last dirge
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most likely aluminum service wire

hushed basalt
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American power systems are so bizarre

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Centre taps. No din rails on switchboards, 203v for apartment buildings, 240v for typical residential

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Should have just made the migration to.straight 240v 80 years ago

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Now you're stuck with it forevwr :D

deft pewter
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The US has 240V? I always thought it was 110V

humble pond
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120/240

hushed basalt
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240v from the transformer on a single phase

humble pond
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It hasn't been 110 in ages

hushed basalt
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And that's centre tapped to give you 120v + and -

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It's just.. weird and complicated

steel crag
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well it can also be 110v, 115v and 120v depending on where you live

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LMFAO

hushed basalt
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It's all within range

humble pond
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There's fluctuation in code on what actually gets measured

hushed basalt
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It would be above 120v too

steel crag
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I know, as I get around 124v

hushed basalt
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Transformers aren't regulated like that

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It's all best effort

humble pond
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My Tesla reports my 240 as 234-235 at the car. The fluctuation comes from the grid, and not my wiring.

hushed basalt
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Mine jumps from 235v to 245v

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Voltage drops from loads, solar in the grid, all sorts of stuff

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Nothing will be constant without regulation and even then that has ripples and all sorts of fun harmonics

humble pond
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electricity is a fickle mistress.

hushed basalt
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For us lowly consumers it's one of the easiest things

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Hardware and software is the fickle mistress

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Like my cc2531 stick can't pass through to a vm in proxmox

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Why. I don't know.

humble pond
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Because it was coded that way. Software/Hardware itself isn't the problem. Interoperability is.

hushed basalt
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Or an dodgey rsync from another host causes a kernel panick on my primary server

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Eh that's a bit too philosophical for me

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Somebody isn't following standards/conventions properly

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Finding out who is the fun/unfun part

humble pond
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As a professional software engineer, I can tell you that 10% of code is your functionality, and 90% is guarding against people not implementing standards correctly, and/or sending you the right thing.

steel wraith
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Can confirm

hushed basalt
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My guess is proxmox

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Texas instruments or debian are a safer bet as playing by the rules

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So you're saying setting up a webhook endpoint that takes a shell script as a body and runs it as root blindly isn't best practice? /s

steel crag
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lol

last dirge
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who needs SQL sanitization anyhow

hushed basalt
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SQL is very.. prehistoric

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I love how everything is forever tied to the idiosyncrosies of the creaters from decades ago

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And/or functional limitations at the time

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Like 90% of shell command in being 2 characters

steel crag
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I love how everything is forever tied to the idiosyncrosies of the creaters from decades ago
@hushed basalt that's how it always works LOL Oligarchy

hushed basalt
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Switching between different codes/frameworks/systems all the time is stressful

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Probably the biggest frustation of devops

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Having to use so many different things simultaneously

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I've been learning nodejs this week for the first time

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My god how relaxing is it to spend an entire day in one framework/language

dull chasm
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low voltage on primary ....bad nuetral connenction at tap ... @last dirge

steel crag
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@dull chasm but that would be a manual thing, not something that just happens correct?

dull chasm
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well usually after storms ...the grounding in the grid could be bad and lowering voltage and you are at the end of the line type thing

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but if your not center tapped and have two primarys it could be a broke wire ..... improper balance in system

steel crag
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yeah they drop a phase here in the middle of the day, sun shining, no wind or rain in sight LOL

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it's a running joke if you see a cloud in the sky that the power may go off

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or if a butterfly farts in Mongolia

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etc

green inlet
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A Mongolian butterfly fart is no laughing matter

hushed basalt
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Systems break all the time

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Doesn't need a discrete external event like a storm

tidal bronze
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@green inlet so you have experienced such a fart ๐Ÿค”

steel crag
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they don't even break all the time here, sometimes they just turn it off to hear people curse I think

green inlet
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I have probably generated such a fart

steel crag
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I wouldn't doubt it. If you've ever farted you could be the cause of our power outages, so please be more responsible with your flatulence sir!

tall pawn
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any unifi guys here? I just setup a new controller on my mac, I backed up and restored from my old controller and turned my old controller off

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new controller shows my aps as disconnected

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should i power cycle them or?

steel crag
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normally you'd delete them from the old controller first

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then power cycle

static schooner
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you don't need to do that

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you just need to give them a new "inform" address

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of your new controller

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there are guides on the web

steel crag
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@static schooner is that a recent thing?

static schooner
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no

steel crag
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last time I replaced a controller thats what I had to do

static schooner
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as long as I've had Unifi, which is years

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maybe what you did

steel crag
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but then again that was 2 years ago

tall pawn
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hm ok I'll look

static schooner
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it's pretty straightforward, as I recall

steel crag
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no worries bro, not doubting you for a second

static schooner
tall pawn
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found the controller hostname/ip

static schooner
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point is, you have both controllers up, you tell teh old one the ip of the new one and it distributes the address to the APs

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and Bob's your uncle

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I think I ssh'ed into each AP and changed the inform address manually, but I'm a caveman. you do you

steel crag
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that seems like more work that what I'd have done but I probably lack the skills of a caveman ๐Ÿ˜„

static schooner
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removing and re-adding loses all your settings

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or maybe not if it comes from a backup, I dunno. Anyway, that's what Ubiquiti tells you to do

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minimal disruption

tall pawn
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got it, thanks guys

last dirge
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anyone got any recommendations for software to handle raw image HDR merging?

tidal bronze
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@last dirge crunch it on snapspeed for starters.

forest edge
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grilling plants and seaweed again are you?

tidal bronze
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Yep kelp and Kale at 700f yum

vast lily
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I'm sorry to the people who were chatting about my electrical question earlier. After i asked the question I got a phone call and had to leave

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that pic shows what i am talking about. it appears 1 wire comes off 1 phase to feed this street for example, at the end of this street there will be 3 phases on the main pole and this wire will directly attach to one of them

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so i really believe its just 1 wire

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in this pic its the 13kv on the top wire and then goes down to the transformer and creates the 240/110v split phase to feed the houses on the street

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the only thing i can come up with is it returns to the source via the ground but i dont think so

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it looks like a ground wire coming out the side, so maybe they do use the ground as the return?

last dirge
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@tidal bronze I found a program called Aurora HDR that looks pretty good

hushed basalt
last dirge
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@vast lily they literally use the ground

hushed basalt
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D is the neutral wire

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for the primary side return

last dirge
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look at the wire going to the service feed on the side of the house

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you can see 3 conductors just before it enters the top of it

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it's converted to single phase WAAAAY before it gets here

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hydro lines send 3 phase to the substation, it'll be single phase to residential from then on out

hushed basalt
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Yeah your systems are weird

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But nothing is 'converted' to 3 phase

last dirge
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the phases are split at the substation

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if there's need for 3-phase, those are transformed to lower voltages and re-combined

hushed basalt
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I think you're using the wrong language

last dirge
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but that's only in heavy commercial and light/heavy industrial

hushed basalt
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The phases are never combined per say

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They're on individiual conductors at all times all the way to the end load

last dirge
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they re-bundle the conductors and string that on poles

hushed basalt
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You just might confuse some people,

last dirge
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heh

hushed basalt
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They're 3 seperate wires, which may or may not be combined into a single cable at certain points

last dirge
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there's a single insulator on the pole in the picture

hushed basalt
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Yeah that's one phase,

last dirge
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I think that's 4KV

hushed basalt
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Like I said your systems are weird

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We run 3 phase everywhere, then tap off phases for individual houses

last dirge
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3 phase 220?

hushed basalt
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240v

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230 for some states I believe

last dirge
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that's uncommon in the US IIRC

hushed basalt
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But 240ish is good enough since it'll vary a lot from there

last dirge
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208, 380

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4something

hushed basalt
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208 sounds like 2 phase 120v

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weird again

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lots of convulution to deal with your low voltage ๐Ÿ˜‰

last dirge
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I guess I could go out and read the sticker on the front of the transformer

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we've got underground utilities so it's a bit different

hushed basalt
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I don't know what our primary side of the transformer is on the street

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11kv at a guess, but I assume it varies

last dirge
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I think it's 14KV

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at my house

hushed basalt
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It's not something I'd ever have to deal with though so it's outside my area of concern

last dirge
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there's a bigass transformer in the bushes in the front of my house

hushed basalt
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The only reason to get 3 phase at home here, is if you're a) running heavy motor loads for some sort of home workshop, b) have a huge aircon (I'd fix the huge aircon problem rather than throw more power at it though), c) rapid car charging

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We can't even export 5kw on each phase in my state

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other states will let you export 5kw each phase so you can put out 15kw

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But our feed in tariffs are 1/4 of consumption charges so it's not really worth it

last dirge
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that's pretty low amperage

hushed basalt
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amperage?

last dirge
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15KW at 240v

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only 62 amps

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that's your ceiling?

hushed basalt
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Single phase will generally have 100A connection

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3 phase will be 63A each

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62 amps is massive though

last dirge
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I've got 200A service at my house

hushed basalt
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Yes because your voltages are low ๐Ÿ˜‰

last dirge
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that's pretty "normal"

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that's 200A @240V

hushed basalt
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That would be 200A for each 120v leg

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more convulolution

last dirge
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I didn't come up with it ๐Ÿ™‚

hushed basalt
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It's too late to leave now

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You're stuck there for a few years at least

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The grass is greener with real 240v

last dirge
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it's not fake 240 though

hushed basalt
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ehh

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Centre tapped

last dirge
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still 240V

wet pilot
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yeah, not fake 240V. Weird 240V i'd accept

hushed basalt
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๐Ÿ™ƒ

last dirge
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it sure as hell makes a LOT more sense to convert 120VAC to DC vs 240VAC

hushed basalt
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eh it has no real bearing with SMPS

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And our less IR losses save billions of dollars a year as opposed to being on 120v

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At least you're not Japan

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running 50Hz & 60Hz

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Thanks Edison

wet pilot
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woof they have both there?

hushed basalt
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Yep

wet pilot
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that's gross ๐Ÿ˜„

hushed basalt
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voltage differences is easy enough, but cycle differences is impossible to reconcile

wet pilot
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yeah, that can cause all sorts of mess

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though eastern europe had some frequency issues for a bit there

hushed basalt
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Especially before SMPS

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Probably why Japan was so early on high tech, to deal with their mess of an electrical system

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TVs would have been the worst

wet pilot
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wonder why they didn't just fix it, they're a small enough country on a fracking island

hushed basalt
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cough US post carbon filament light bulbs cough

wet pilot
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yeah, true

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but here we are how many years later? ๐Ÿ˜›

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no one uses edison bulbs anymore anyway

last dirge
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I do

hushed basalt
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Just think of it this way

last dirge
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but they're LED ๐Ÿ™‚

hushed basalt
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if you were an electrical generation company

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and you spend hundreds of millions of dollars equivalent of early 20th century dollars

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on setting up your generator

wet pilot
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just split the difference and hit 55hz? make everyone angry

hushed basalt
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would you want to throw away your investments to go to 60hz

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or 50hz

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We all suffer together

wet pilot
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though a lot of their grid is changing these days since they're panic killing all their nuke plants

hushed basalt
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Just switch everything to 240v 60hz and see who complains

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Just buy people step down transformers for their fridges

wet pilot
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they could probably do that in the US easily enough. most of our digital devices can support 120 or 240. its the freq that gets stupid

hushed basalt
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Still a lot of fridges, garage door motors, hair dryers, kitchen appliances, etc

wet pilot
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yeah, anything with a motor would be a problem

hushed basalt
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or heating elements

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pop

wet pilot
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lots of fire

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lots of sad

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but it will never happen because $$$$$$$$$$$$$

hushed basalt
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NEed to wait for the fall of the american empire

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where we become the united states of Sol

wet pilot
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eh even then because $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

hushed basalt
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Fight off those damn pesky alpha centaurians

vast lily
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Briann Cribbs so the transformer in front of my house is connected on on side to the single phase above it and the other side to the ground and the current returns through the ground back to the source?

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where would it travel back to in that case

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badtelcotech: in that picture i posted there doesnt appear to be a primary neutral return

hushed basalt
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It's below the transformer

vast lily
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arent those the secondary wires though?

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they can safely put the secondary neutral on the same wire as the primary neutral?

hushed basalt
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Seems that way

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We don't even have neutrals on the primary side

vast lily
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yeah i didnt think so

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they balance out the 3 phases to avoid a return all together, correct?

hushed basalt
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correct

vast lily
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and any unbalanced load is dumped into the earth?

hushed basalt
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I'm not too sure,

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It probably just affects the voltage on that phase

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I think they do a reasonable job balancing things,

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And the difference just affects the voltage pressure on the other phases,

vast lily
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so you dont agree with what Brian Cribbs said that they use the ground as the return?

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unless he meant the ground wire on the poll?

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shit is it poll or pole lol

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google says pole

hushed basalt
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They wouldn't use the ground

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Ground is only for safety, barring some weird rural stuff

vast lily
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there is such a thing as a ground return system but supposedly its only for rural areas

steel crag
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poll is a vote, pole is a physical thing

hushed basalt
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The neutral is used for the return

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I assume it's used for both primary and secondary

vast lily
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so i would expect to see on the pole outside my house the neutral wire to be as thick as the top wire since it needs to carry the same amount of current?

steel crag
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so i would expect to see on the pole outside my house the neutral wire to be as thick as the top wire since it needs to carry the same amount of current?
@vast lily depends on code but typically I would say yes

vast lily
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this has long driven me nuts because i know electric needs a path to return to the source and i see 1 single wire on the top of the pole connected to the transformer on the side streets

hushed basalt
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It's hard to tell from the photo

steel crag
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although having two hot lines don't mean you need two neutrals

hushed basalt
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But I assume it's the bare wire those triplex wires are tied onto

vast lily
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so now part 2 of the question is, where is that return current carried back to? since the primary system is balanced and doesnt return to the source?

hushed basalt
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It goes back to the generator eventually

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There's 100% a neutral

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Is that the ground?

vast lily
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yeah i think so

hushed basalt
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So it'd be tied to that

vast lily
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yeah it is

hushed basalt
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But it wouldn't flow through the ground unless there's a fault

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The bare wire going the same direction as the primary phase wire

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that's the neutral

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from pole to pole

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It looks like they're also using it as a barer wire for the 2 legs for the house services

last dirge
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here's 3-phase on a pole

hushed basalt
last dirge
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"connection for transformer" is 240V

vast lily
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brian: in that picture that transformer has 2 connnections then 1 from the top which is 1 phase of a 3 phase system and then the 2nd connection is to that ground wire which is the return?

last dirge
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mark

vast lily
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sorry i hit enter while typing lol

last dirge
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which?

vast lily
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the last one

last dirge
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first picture or second?

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there's 3 wires coming off that transformer

vast lily
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that part i understand

last dirge
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2 hots and a neutral

vast lily
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i am talking the primary side

last dirge
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neutral is the center tap on the transformer

vast lily
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the secondary side all makes sense to me

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its the primary side i dont get

last dirge
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potential between either of the hots and the neutral is 120V

vast lily
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i get all that

last dirge
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transformer is grounded plus distribution line

vast lily
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but electricity needs to complete a circuit right? so how is that circuit completed

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ok so in that last picture you are saying the electric can complete the circuit by returning back on that ground wire

last dirge
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yeah

vast lily
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ok now it makes sense

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mostly

hushed basalt
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It's really a neutral, that's grounded

vast lily
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but either way its how the circuit is completed and that is what was driving me nuts

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as like i said i see only 1 wire coming off the main poles to the side streets

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and i know enough to know you cant complete a circuit with 1 wire

last dirge
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to houses?

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or to other poles with transformers?

vast lily
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to other poles with transformers

last dirge
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there's at least 2 wires

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high potential distribution line with the ceramic insulators

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and a ground

vast lily
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what got me asking this is i live on a corner. front street is 3 phase power, 3 wires at the top, my side street 1 of those phase wires is tapped off and ran down my street

last dirge
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that's weird

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where are you?

vast lily
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NJ

hushed basalt
last dirge
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is the 3-phase at/around apartment buildings?

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that'd make more sense

vast lily
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Brian Cribbs, correct

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there is an apartment complex at the end of my main street

hushed basalt
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System neutral, it's important to not get those confused

last dirge
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yeah, that makes more sense

vast lily
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sorry typo

hushed basalt
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They're connected but they're not the same

vast lily
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i know, one carries unbalanced load the other carries fault current right?

last dirge
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"neutral and ground" snuck in there ๐Ÿ™‚

hushed basalt
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Since your phase is tapped off it's all unbalanced

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so it 100% needs the neutral

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But the photo I sent you is easier to see

vast lily
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yeah exactly! that is why i was confused when i didnt see the return but i just was looking too high on the pole

hushed basalt
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Yeah

last dirge
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gotta keep it away for safety

hushed basalt
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It's weird that it's shared with the secondary but I guess Americans are cheap ๐Ÿ˜‰

vast lily
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LOL

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maybe its not, i need to get a better picture

last dirge
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it's not shared

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it's earth returned to wherever the closest spot that ground wire is actually grounded

hushed basalt
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I doubt that

vast lily
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i still dont fully understand what happens with that unbalanced load on the primary side

last dirge
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do you mean at the transformer or the service lines to the residence?

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at the transformer, definitely shared

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to the residence, not shared

vast lily
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it appears the system neutral is also the service line neutral

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or the service lines are hung from the system neutral at least

hushed basalt
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Yeah it might have it's own insulated neutral on the secondary anchored to that system neutral

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but it's hard to see

last dirge
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there's a lot goin on there

hushed basalt
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I don't think there's any ground actually tied in on that photo

last dirge
#

only 4 houses on that transformer?

hushed basalt
#

So it'd be grounded somewhere else

vast lily
#

brian what makes you say only 4 houses?

hushed basalt
#

Tied to ground anyways

#

6 if not more at a guess

last dirge
#

oh, might be 6

hushed basalt
#

Even more if they branch off further down

last dirge
#

the lower right exit looks like a guy in the smaller image

#

@hushed basalt it won't branch from that

hushed basalt
#

I think they're using the neutral as guy

vast lily
#

yeah in my area they put up the transformers every block or so and then just tap off the secondary lines

#

badtelcotech i think so too

#

that is what it looks like

hushed basalt
#

I'll take a photo of my transformer next time I'm walking

#

I have a 2 bedroom town house and I have 3 phase haha

#

Such overkill

vast lily
#

really?

hushed basalt
#

Yep

vast lily
#

that is nuts

hushed basalt
#

No idea why

#

I guess it's only an extra 2 wires from the pole to the meter board

#

plus those wires are smaller than single phase houses

vast lily
#

i wonder if that would let you buy a bad ass central air system or anything like that

hushed basalt
#

3 x 63A vs 1 x 100A

#

I could

vast lily
#

3 phase will be more effecient for something like that with a big motor right?

hushed basalt
#

But I like my money in my bank account not the utillity companies

#

Correct

#

More so for starting

vast lily
#

oh so perhaps 3 phase is done to cheap on wire cost you think?

hushed basalt
#

Once they're running the differences aren't as much

#

3 phase motors are a lot easier to start,

last dirge
#

usually 3 phase stuff has better power factor, doesn't it?

hushed basalt
#

your brushless DC motors are basically 3 phase motors

#

That's why they're smaller, lighter and wear out less

last dirge
#

they're basically 3 phase AC motors

vast lily
#

badtelcotech how do you get split phase (are you not in the usa?) do you have a transformer in your town house?

hushed basalt
#

Australia

vast lily
#

ah ok

hushed basalt
#

We don't split phases

vast lily
#

that makes more sense i guess

hushed basalt
#

We use 240v everywhere

last dirge
#

the 50Hz, not so much ๐Ÿ˜‰

vast lily
#

in the usa 3 phase is only used for big businesses and stuff afaik (and apartment complex)

hushed basalt
#

Yeah

#

In homes, it's rarely used

vast lily
#

i dont know why people hate the usa split phase system, we get a choice 240v or 120v instead of only 240v

hushed basalt
#

Only if you have a giant heat pump for house or pool or bore pumps etc

#

But you don't need 120v

#

It doesn't have any advantages

vast lily
#

well its supposed to be safer is why they do it right?

hushed basalt
#

It's just because thomas edisons light bulbs only worked at ~120v

#

That's all

vast lily
#

LOL really?

hushed basalt
#

And it's just stuck

#

Yep

vast lily
#

wow that is crazy

#

so i guess europe didnt use edison bulbs

last dirge
#

and the reason we have 60Hz electricity is just because that's what the motor that ran the first generator happened to spin at

#

so, why change?

vast lily
#

if they could build from scratch today at any hz, is there an optimal?

hushed basalt
#

Edisonโ€™s carbon filament gave his lighting system an commercially inexpensive bulb, and also the carbon filament worked well at about 110 volts as he had believed it would - and which Edison considered an economical and safe voltage for the distribution of electricity.

last dirge
#

I think 60 is most common

vast lily
#

iirc beyond 3 phase doesnt really make snese

hushed basalt
#

60hz is better,

wet pilot
#

tv manufacturers would prefer 60

vast lily
#

but is 90hz better than 60?

hushed basalt
#

I can't remember why but it's to do with eddy currents and stuff like that

#

So edison got that one right

last dirge
#

stupid physics

hushed basalt
#

but he botched the voltage

last dirge
#

Edison wanted DC

wet pilot
#

wasn't the voltage tesla's fault?

#

AC was his

hushed basalt
#

Nah tesla got it right

last dirge
#

Edison was a damn hack

hushed basalt
#

After leaving Edison Machine Works, Tesla began working on a patent for an arc lighting system. Arc lighting produces light by means of an electric arc. The invention, by Humphrey Davy, dates to the early 1800s and starting in the 1870s became the most popular system for street lighting until eventually being supplanted by incandescent lights after the turn of the century. Arc lighting required higher voltages to operate than Edisonโ€™s incandescent system produced.

vast lily
#

but tesla didnt use edison bulbs in the original polyphjase ac system i thought they used some others with a different socket to get around the patent? so why would it matter what voltage edison bulbs ran at?

hushed basalt
#

His bulbs didn't work at 230v

wet pilot
#

westinghouse had to re-invent the lightbulb for AC last minute

vast lily
#

yeah but earlier it was said we have 120v in the usa due to edisons bulbs not working at 240v so that doesnt make sense

#

unless they meant westinghouse bulbs

#

i always though split phase is used in the usa because they think/thought its safer for people to deal with at outlets (120v)

hushed basalt
#

This should answer all your questions

brazen fable
#

you guys ever find a random video on the net and wonder what the hell you just watched?

last dirge
#

almost daily

brazen fable
#

I have no words for this

last dirge
#

did you run across that on Reddit?

brazen fable
#

yeh

last dirge
#

I saw that earlier

#

noped out pretty quick

brazen fable
#

I have no idea what's happening here

#

LOL

last dirge
#

the "what the hell did I just watch" videos are usually linked on Reddit

#

most seem okay at first

#

but that one's just weird from the jump

hushed basalt
#

Why is node making my laptop scream

#

This isn't a good first sign

wet pilot
#

ubuntu is making my laptop scream

#

20.04's kernel doesn't know what to do with AMD 4k chips

#

but with fedora 32 the mic doesn't work

#

that's what i get for getting bleeding edge hw and try to throw linux on it

#

Arch might be able to deal with it with the rolling release but... ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

#

i don't use arch btw

steel crag
#

tell me about it when I had to deal with Optimus

hushed basalt
#

Who here has a home office

wet pilot
#

on 20.04 suspend and screen brightness don't work :/

#

does

hushed basalt
#

As in a dedicated room that's used exclusively for work

#

That you don't use when you're not working

wet pilot
#

ehhhh not 100% that

#

my gaming rig is also in there, not that i have much time for that these days

hushed basalt
#

I'm wishing I had one

#

The psychological lingering of dual purpose rooms is real

wet pilot
#

same room but 2 different surfaces though

hushed basalt
#

I need something like that

#

The same desk I do tinkering and every day stuff on isn't working for me as the same desk I am trying to work and study on

wet pilot
#

as opposed to a desk

hushed basalt
#

I had a microsoft sidewinder 2 force feedback

#

Then one of my mums friends sons "borrowed it"

#

Then never returned it

#

And broke it

wet pilot
#

and it was never seen again

hushed basalt
#

And was like yeah it broke

#

He was such a dick

wet pilot
#

lol

#

that left hand stick is a frankenstine of a ch throttle handle and a thrustmaster t1600 base

hushed basalt
#

I'd 100% need a home office if I was working remote/at home

steel crag
#

ooohooh

#

I haven't had a thrustmaster in AGES

wet pilot
#

giggity

steel crag
#

๐Ÿ˜›

wet pilot
#

๐Ÿ˜„

#

its a separate room which is nice. Both me and the wife will be full WFH this coming year

steel crag
#

hey I've been helping @naive thorn for hours and I haven't cursed

wet pilot
#

HA AfterDark

steel crag
#

so I may leave some comments open

#

my mind is elsewhere

#

๐Ÿ˜›

wet pilot
naive thorn
#

is this where the cursing turns course? D:

steel crag
#

nah

#

cursing? we don't curse

#

not in public

wet pilot
#

speak for your goram self

steel crag
#

LOL

wet pilot
#

for frack's sake

#

tried to cover two nerd bases there

hushed basalt
#

I'd love a garden office

#

Nice comfortable new constructed room, detached from the house. Garden view. Dedicated space

wet pilot
#

building out a green screen filming space for the wife. She's gonna need to record some lectures for her students

hushed basalt
#

Does it have to be green screen

wet pilot
#

doesn't have to be but you can up the production quality big time with it

hushed basalt
#

Green screen is hard

#

You need distance

#

And good lighting

wet pilot
#

yup, still building it out but we'll have it covered well enough

#

need some key lights still and a capture card for the computer + an audio interface

hushed basalt
#

If you can manage it a nice backdrop is better imo

#

Like even a real background,

wet pilot
#

need the floating head effect

hushed basalt
#

Furniture, etc

#

Floating head?

#

Like zzzs?

wet pilot
#

presenter over content

hushed basalt
#

Head and shoulders though right?

wet pilot
#

yup

#

bust style

hushed basalt
#

Thank goodness

#

I'm not a fan of literal floating head

#

Cloak of invisibility style

wet pilot
#

lol no, gonna put her in a green body suit on a green screen background

#

face only

hushed basalt
#

Makes shooting easier

wet pilot
#

gotta put the black dots and the mocap rig

hushed basalt
#

Just paint her face green too

wet pilot
#

go full CG

hushed basalt
#

Resolve seems to be popular for free stuff

wet pilot
#

yeah, still researching there

hushed basalt
#

My best recommendation is to shoot on a longer lens further away

#

You don't want wide up close shots

wet pilot
#

we have a nikon dslr and a couple of lenses that we're going to start with

hushed basalt
#

So you do end up needing a very healthy space behind and in front

wet pilot
#

its a decent sized room

hushed basalt
#

I'd be going for 50mm at least on aps-c

#

Wider maybe if you're happy to crop in more

#

Less lights is better as well

#

Every light is a shadow you have to manage on your subject and the green screen

#

Reach for more bounce and negative fills over more lights when possible

wet pilot
#

not a lot of motion required so we can minimize that somewhat

hushed basalt
#

My main DoP i worked for would just use a 4' wide kino and a poly board for most interviews

#

Motion has nothing to do with it

wet pilot
#

meaning its easier to control at least

hushed basalt
#

In some ways

#

But people are more observant for sit downs

#

Motion can hide a lot

wet pilot
#

granted, its a elementary school so it doesn't need to be too amazing

#

can learn over time

steel crag
#

tried to cover two nerd bases there
@wet pilot all your base are belong to us tho

hushed basalt
#

You could win an emmy

#

Best elementary school elearning video 2020

wet pilot
#

lol

#

i'd only be the executive producer

steel crag
#

OK i just cursed

#

not at him but with him @naive thorn

naive thorn
#

it was only a matter of time

steel crag
#

whoever wrote this guide is a rusty tool and has probably been used till it's near death for unnatural things

#

I want to say bad things

#

don't make me say bad things

steel crag
#

I made it without saying bad things

#

on discord

hearty depot
vast lily
#

does anyone know if you can use an aqua om3 fiber optic cable with a cisco 1000SX MM SFP?

midnight adder
#

Atxbyea would know...
GET US THE MEMES BACK!!!11

forest edge
#

atx is being stubborn

open folio
#

Is there such a thing as a calendar for the ha release schedule? I know it's every 3 weeks but I'm sure I seen a screenshot of someone's calendar at one point.

vast lily
#

nvm om3 is backwards compatible with om2

#

i believe my issue is the fiber was not crossed by the installer

midnight adder
open folio
#

@midnight adder perfect mate thanks a lot ๐Ÿ‘

forest edge
#

Automations tab still doesn't populate with anything for me Ludeeus. even the plus thing does nothing. Tried before updating to 113.3 and after updating and its still the same.

#

even the main screen only shows integrations and frontend (unless they just list what category you have actual stuff installed with)

rare condor
#

Client: The PLC 100% controls valve, we know that is a fact

(spends 10 hours trying to figure out how the fck that is possible)*

Client Email Tonight Sorry there is no valve on site, please ignore last correspondence

hushed basalt
rare condor
#

lol

dusky plank
#

@hearty depot what happens when you let outrun run arm code on a x86 host?

#

is it possible to chroot a arm install on x86?

hearty depot
#

It is possible but only with a virtualization layer in between. (And this is painfully slow) the documentation also tells you that you need the same architecture on both hosts

dusky plank
#

that is amazing

hearty depot
#

Already had my fun with jQuery and htop on a vergin VM

steel wraith
sharp tusk
#

0.100 To 0.113 ๐Ÿ˜ฑ๐Ÿ˜ฑ welcome To a new world lol

#

Don't be afraid ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

hushed basalt
midnight adder
#

sigh still waiting that I can style the <pre> tags with a theme

light trout
#

That has allways been possible...

hushed basalt
#

For the software engineers out there

#

What do you think of CQRS and event sourcing

last dirge
#

lel

midnight adder
#

@light trout what do you mean by that?

light trout
#

only 100 more to go ๐ŸŽ‰

midnight adder
#

lol

#

how long has it been there?

#

markdown-code-background-color: '#ff0b0b' works indeed

light trout
#

That variable has been there since the introduction of styling in that element

midnight adder
#

looks like 6 days ago, oh it was you who I talked about. thank you for thinking of that dark mode fix : )

light trout
midnight adder
#

๐Ÿ™

steel wraith
#

I just need a day to be able to go fix whatever I break going from 100 to 113 lol.

midnight adder
#

wich proxy to use.
envoy, caddy, traefik or stick to the old and well known nginx

wet pilot
#

personal preference

midnight adder
#

true, I could accive everything I would like to do with nginx,
but the other projects looking so promesing. envoy and traefik yould use the docker deamon to sort things out, but I dont have all my things containerised.
while caddy seems to be easy to use, also the API is intreging

last dirge
#

I set up caddy

#

it's dead simple

midnight adder
#

just having issues running it internaly.

#

maybe an idea how proxy_ssl_certificate is called in caddy?

last dirge
#

all of my stuff's behind cloudflare

midnight adder
wintry crater
#

i use caddy v2

# 
  email example@gmail.com
}

example.com {
  reverse_proxy localhost:8123
  header Strict-Transport-Security max-age=31536000; includeSubdomains;
}```
#

dead simple

ionic hatch
steel crag
#

does anyone know if you can use an aqua om3 fiber optic cable with a cisco 1000SX MM SFP?
@vast lily yes ๐Ÿ˜„ but seems you figured out your crossover ๐Ÿ˜„

vast lily
#

karzle242 yeah frigan driving me NUTS!

#

krazle242: should the installer have done it?

#

krazle242: I hired a fiber installer to run a om3 fiber between 2 buildings and terminate into a break out box (6 pairs per end) so i could connect the 2 buildings

#

i then connect from the brerakout box to my cisco switches on both ends

steel crag
#

well

#

a good installer would have tested it

#

but that being said

#

if he terminated a break out and tested connectivity between them.... then his job was technically done

#

I would've seen your equipment link before I left, and I would've crossed em for you

#

however I'm only an island fiber installer ๐Ÿ˜„

vast lily
#

how do you recommend i fix it?

#

i could try to take apart my patch cord and swap one end

steel crag
#

the crossover is always done after the breakout

#

so yes, cross your patch cable

#

most of them are made to do so

vast lily
#

how would the installer have crossed it for me then though?

steel crag
#

on the patch

vast lily
#

if its done after the breakout i mean

#

OH he didnt see my patch i installed after

steel crag
#

ok then not his fault ๐Ÿ˜›

vast lily
#

ok it falls under i should have known then lol

steel crag
#

if he did 6 pairs, and all 6 work

#

then over to you ๐Ÿ˜„

vast lily
#

as you can tell i rarely work with fiber

steel crag
#

well even ethernet needs to be crossed over

#

just most NIC's do it for you now with Mdi/Mdx

vast lily
#

i was so convinced it must be me using the wrong cables or bad transciever or patch cord

#

then it just dawned on me

steel crag
#

well you were using a bad patch cord you were using a straight patch which is for example patching from Building A to C thru B

#

๐Ÿ˜›

#

not connecting equipment ๐Ÿ˜„

vast lily
#

i am old enough to remember the days of having to use an ethernet cross over cable lol

#

but the guides i am reading say to cross on both ends, wouldnt that defeat the purpose?

#

or they say "Cross everywhere"

#

i guess when people order these straight patch cables they are normally connecting 2 dissimilar devices so its not a problem?

#

but since i am connecfting switch to switch is why i need to cross

steel crag
#

i guess when people order these straight patch cables they are normally connecting 2 dissimilar devices so its not a problem?
@vast lily or again, patching buildings

#

when you want pair 1 and 2 to go someplace else

#

or perhaps another floor

#

you use straight

#

but at least one cross between devices is needed

vast lily
#

the only thing is, i cross on one end and then what if down tthe road i replace one end, then i will need to remember which end is crossed

steel crag
#

but the guides i am reading say to cross on both ends, wouldnt that defeat the purpose?
@vast lily yes 2 crossovers would defeat that

#

the only thing is, i cross on one end and then what if down tthe road i replace one end, then i will need to remember which end is crossed
@vast lily I use a red sharpie ๐Ÿ˜„

#

just mark the crossed end

vast lily
#

good idea lol

#

i have had to do this once before like 10 years ago and actually i think that is what i did, i put a red x on one side of hte cable

steel crag
#

I have done crossed interbuilding cabling but I advise against it

#

I just color the ends completely so you can't miss the red

#

๐Ÿ˜„

vast lily
#

man i was so convinced something wasnt compatible i spent hours testing combinations lol,.l

#

i tried 2 of everything, cables, pairs, transceivers

steel crag
#

don't feel bad

vast lily
#

i do feel a bit dumb i am just glad i didnt call the installer yet lol

steel crag
#

I had the same thing happen with me just I was using the wrong SFP

#

oh by all means feel dumb, but do not dwell on it

#

๐Ÿ˜„

vast lily
#

nah im over it already lol

#

i am just glad i figured it out

#

god knows what i would have tried next, probably a different switch on bothe ends lol

steel crag
#

feeling dumb is what makes learning so much better

vast lily
#

thinking maybe the sfp ports were bad or something

steel crag
#

๐Ÿ˜„

vast lily
#

you woiuld have suggested cross by my first question btw?

steel crag
#

I prefer to call myself dumb and beat everyone to it

#

I didn't see it

vast lily
#

does anyone know if you can use an aqua om3 fiber optic cable with a cisco 1000SX MM SFP?
@vast lily yes ๐Ÿ˜„ but seems you figured out your crossover ๐Ÿ˜„

#

it sounded like you suspected cross right away

#

oh maybe u just reacting to what i said nvm

dusky plank
vast lily
#

never seen that before lol

steel crag
#

rut roh

deft pewter
#

SD cards have magic smoke in them?

#

Well, not that one anymore...

steel crag
#

well I don't think it was magic smoke

vast lily
#

maybe the pins got shorted on high voltage from above?

dusky plank
steel crag
#

I think that was real smoke

dusky plank
#

it was glowing hot still

vast lily
#

how does that even happen

steel crag
#

I've always thought micro SD was sexy but that one's smoking hot

vast lily
#

i wouldnt expect enough juice in an sd card slot

steel crag
#

me either tbh

vast lily
#

why does the card look snapped in half?

#

was it damaged when youp lugged it in?

steel crag
#

melted along the chip line I'd imagine

vast lily
#

ah probably yeah

steel crag
#

also difference in temp between metal and plastic

dusky plank
#

it made a crack sound when I first tried to pull it out, got it out a little later when it was safe to touch..

steel crag
#

as the plastic would've taken longer to heat up

dusky plank
#

the dark spot must be where the nand controller is I believe

vast lily
#

mstone nothing touched the pcb?

#

like you didnt have that in an enclosure with mains voltage?

steel crag
#

I gotta make a run peeps, food store

vast lily
#

thanks krazle242 for the info man

dusky plank
#

nope, was in a pi running fine for exactly 4 months now, just got a notification that the device is unreachable this afternoon

steel crag
#

no worries I'll be back in a bit

#

nope, was in a pi running fine for exactly 4 months now, just got a notification that the device is unreachable this afternoon
@dusky plank well I know what DIDN'T send the notification

dusky plank
#

haha, yeah there was kodi (libreelec) running on that one

steel crag
#

oh cool I used to run kodi on one of mine

#

but I can't find it

#

LMFAO

#

( I really will be going soon, just procrastinating because my son is in the bathroom)

dusky plank
#

it was inside the carton in which the pi came, could have gotten a fire hazard... will avoid putting pi4's in there from now, the pi3 wasn't getting that hot

steel crag
#

I run mine in cases

#

with fans

#

my network cabinet can get a little warm in the summer

#

I'm tinkering with a fan setup for it now but I need a DHT sensor so I can connect it to a sonoff to run the fan PSU

#

because lazy

dusky plank
#

guess what I'm lazy too and the carton was my case ๐Ÿ˜„

#

broke the card now, looks like glass from the inside

wintry crater
#

sd cards are not reliable

deft pewter
#

This is true... but they usually don't set alight.

wintry crater
#

i only have /boot there

#

if not hdd, there are dramless ssd. cheaper

#

idk about reliability tho ๐Ÿ˜„

vast lily
#

hey krazle242 i havfe another fiber optic question for you .....

#

my verizon fios uses single mode yellow patch cable but its simplex, one connector. does that mean its half duplex?

dusky plank
forest edge
#

I've heard of recent stories of this happening to some people. I've heard it happen both before and after someone trying out the usb boot

#

lmao I JUST upgraded to 113.3 last night and today 114 comes out lol

clever mortar
#

I haven't upgraded to 0.113.x from 0.112 yet ๐Ÿ˜„

bitter pawn
#

google fiber does something similar

forest edge
#

you don't utilize the UI so it would be fine for you, but there are certainly some bugs

bitter pawn
#

no fiber pair just a single strand

#

there were people that were able to get internet by configuring a managed switch to it.

#

but it was very hack-ish and google fiber kept changing things on the guy so he eventually stopped

steel crag
#

my verizon fios uses single mode yellow patch cable but its simplex, one connector. does that mean its half duplex?
@vast lily no, because single mode can be one fiber ๐Ÿ˜„

unkempt night
#

Hey question for you all. I bought a flight stick and the PS2 port is broken on it. Would there be a way I could just directly wire the yoke to the board instead of plugging it in via PS2?

steel crag
#

PS2 port?

#

I'd toss it if it was PS2

#

LOL

unkempt night
#

its the logitech flight yoke

#

still uses PS2 lol

#

Anyone here a proper tinkerer?

#

Could i just solder some wire between each connector to the other connector

night zodiac
#

for things like that, if I can't get a new connector to fit in the shell nicely, I just solder a wire with a knot into it

#

knot to prevent yanking on solder

unkempt night
#

gotcha

#

Would i solder a wire between each connector

#

or directly to the mobo

night zodiac
#

both connectors are broken?

#

oh

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directly to mobo

unkempt night
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no no

night zodiac
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remove the broken stuff

unkempt night
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just one connector is broken

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male is fine

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female is broken

hushed basalt
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One of my daughters toys broke and I need a soldering iron to fix it

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Now I have no choice but to buy one right

night zodiac
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hakko hakko hakko

unkempt night
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I just would have no idea which goes where on the mobo

hushed basalt
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Ts80p

night zodiac
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do you hav a meter scerstt?

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it is probably standardized and you can look it up

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why do you need a wireless soldering iron, haha

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is this toy on the move?

hushed basalt
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I don't but the ts80p looks quite nice

night zodiac
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it does look nifty

hushed basalt
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Good size, short tip, smart firmware,

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Plus that interface on the fx888d ๐Ÿคข

night zodiac
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I don't really change temps

hushed basalt
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Heathen

night zodiac
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says the person without a soldering iron

hushed basalt
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Scerstt I would see if I could fix the ps2 port if I was you

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I've done plenty of soldering

night zodiac
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haha, ๐Ÿ˜›

hushed basalt
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At work

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I've just never had to own one before

night zodiac
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for some reason I can't find the components

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was it female, I didn't ask but assumed

unkempt night
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yeah female

night zodiac
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all of the ones I have seen look the same

unkempt night
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tbf

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looks excactly liek the one

night zodiac
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if you open up and it looks like that it'd be very easy to solder in

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yerp

unkempt night
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thank you

night zodiac
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looks like a match to me

unkempt night
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now to find it in stock

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that doesnty take 20 days to deliver

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could be worth salvaging one

night zodiac
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include solder in your search

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for some reason that is the key to bringing them up

unkempt night
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Reckon an old motherboard would have one on?

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Trying to think of something i could salvage one off

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Does colour make a dif?

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Like is there a difference in them?

night zodiac
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I am not an expert on any of this but I think that's just to signify mouse or keyboard and should be the same

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not sure what color flight stick is

unkempt night
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black

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I doubt it makes a dif

night zodiac
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I'm joking

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it shouldn't

unkempt night
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It would just be their relative connectors on the motherboard right

night zodiac
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yeah, all of this is the same

unkempt night
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appreciate the help my man

steel crag
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color makes no difference in pinout for PS2

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only for easier ID of KB or M

hushed basalt
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Make sure you get the right gender

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That ps2 is actually male

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No wait nvm

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It's just a really broken female. Wow that is broken

wicked totem
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Does there exists a zwave plus bridge similar to the sonoff 433 Rf bridge? If not can make one with a pie and aeontec zwave usb. Reason I ask: I am moving to a 4400 sqft home and I am hooking it all up with wifi unifi aps, however I suck at changing batteries so I am trying to use the least amount of battery powered sensors. My philosophy is if I have to use battery use zwave plus because I have read it better at battery consumption than wifi sensors and I dont want to waste my time with zigbee because it's at 2.4ghz .

quartz ether
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Zwave makes a mesh.

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So any powered device is effectively a bridge

wicked totem
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I guess I have to just have enough of it in each floor to make sure the signal is not lost.

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Thanks TehRobot. Can you also make a recommendation for window sensors that is zwave plus?

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I sw these fancy $$$$$ ones that look like they tell you if window is open/closed and locked/unlocked.

steel crag
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Well I just managed to heat the LED off a sonoff touch

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Had to resolder that back, I really hate surface mount components

green inlet
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@wicked totem , you should ask in #zwave-archived but I am pretty sure you can run multiple instances of the new zwave beta. Not really sure how effective that would be though as zwave is a mesh, so the more devices you have on the same system, the better. Also, mains devices act as repeater. All you need to know in #zwave-archived though

tall pawn
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Are most people using node-red now for automations?

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I'm upgrading my system from like v0.62 with tons of complicated automations I generated with javascript

green inlet
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All my automations are in yaml. Pretty sure there isnโ€™t anything you canโ€™t do with the native HAss automations and yaml. Guess it comes down to what you are comfortable with though.

tall pawn
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I'm a software developer so I like the yaml but I didn't like breaking changes every time I tried to upgrade

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Not sure if there's any advantage or disadvantage to using the gui tools

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Unfortunately haven't been able to keep up with the project

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It's changed a lot since 0.6 ๐Ÿ˜‚

green inlet
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I use yaml because when I started, the automations editor just wasnโ€™t up to par. I never looked back. It is getting better but I still think straight yaml is just better. I donโ€™t use node red so I canโ€™t comment on breaking changes. That being said, I donโ€™t think automations break as much as integrations

tall pawn
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Ain't that the truth

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It's a part time job keeping my lifx lights connected

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But breaking integration changes to things Google Assistant were the killer

green inlet
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I do a lot of zwave so......I am not affected very much by breaking changes. A lot has changed for the better since .60 though. Hmmm......my google assistant has been rock solid since I set it up.

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Maybe you are talking about the sync devices issue that needed to be โ€œtestedโ€ every 30 days?

tall pawn
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I had to use some trick to get my devices to show up in the google home app. Can't recall but it broke at some point because there were api changes on googles side. Nonetheless I'm rebuilding everything from scratch so just trying to decide on a direction to go. Node-red looks cool for sure but it's another learning curve to get familiar with how to build flows efficiently for complicated automations

green inlet
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Yes, you should ask in #node-red-archived, those that use it seem to love it. I always tell people to get something running however you are comfortable. Nothing says you canโ€™t switch to node red down the line. But I guess as a software developer, I am preaching to the choir ๐Ÿ˜‰

amber bramble
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i do vanilla yaml for basic automations and appdaemon for complex automations

tidal bronze
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This is straight out no PEQ nada. Flat as flat can get ๐Ÿ‘

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+3dB on 90hz and you can skip subs ๐Ÿ˜†

hushed basalt
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I use tv speakers ๐Ÿ™ƒ

last dirge
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I got some of those beige PC speakers from the 90s

solemn halo
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Hi, pretty new to HA so hope someone can help me. Followed a cpuple of tutorials on how to enable duckdns but cant't get it to work

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I get this error
ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH

static schooner
velvet horizonBOT
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solemn halo
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Ups, sorry

static schooner
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np, it's not like you're getting in way of animated GIFs and discussions of random nonsense ๐Ÿ™‚

molten osprey
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So, ssls.com sells SSL certs for $3.77 per year. I have HA behind an nginx install which handles the SSL. No reason such a cert should not work, right?

rare condor
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Why not use letsencrypt?

clever mortar
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Any non-self-signed SSL cert will work

midnight adder
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I still feel well being mitm by cloudflare ๐Ÿคฃ
but hey, 10 year certs and your ip is hidden ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
(thats so aweful when you look into it tourghly)

molten osprey
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@rare condor I can't use let's encrypt. my provider makes it impossible for me to open port 80, using the dns approach is too much of a hassle when i can pay <$1 per cycle to have it all go away.

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well, not impossible. but it's a $6 per month charge to do that.

rare condor
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dns approach is simple though, I use it instead of port 80 as a preference? But then again I use cloudflare

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Yeah I just assume port 80 is blocked and use dns method, easier anyway I find.

molten osprey
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i've tried it and found it a hassle ๐Ÿ™‚

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for $15.08

clever mortar
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Using dehydrated DNS-01 is fully automated. I never have to do anything ๐Ÿคท

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It does require a DNS host with a supported API though

molten osprey
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which mine wont be ๐Ÿ™‚

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i'm not using a dynamic dns provider

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well, i am

light trout
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CloudFlare give you 15y cert for free

molten osprey
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but it wont be supported ๐Ÿ™‚

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@light trout if you're a customer?

clever mortar
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I don't use Dynamic DNS ๐Ÿ˜‰

molten osprey
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my provider has me on some kind of weird IP address, which isnt publicly routed

light trout
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Yes, you have to use their DNS

molten osprey
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my domains are hosted at Dreamhost

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the hostname i use to access my HA, is a CNAME to a dynamic dns provider operated by my provider

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the dyndns provider maps it to my 'public' address

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and through a web interface i can open up to 10 ports ... but the numbers are decided by them

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which sucks

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there is a term for this setup. my mobile phone provider does the same. can't recall.

light trout
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.cloud is also an option

velvet horizonBOT
molten osprey
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"carrier grade NAT" i think is what it was

light trout
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Yeah, those sucks

molten osprey
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i can pay $6 per month to get normal dynamically assigned ip addresses

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but i refuse to pay them

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tried to walk away from the contract, because nobody told me this is how they work and theyre the only provider in thailand that use this setup so there was no way for me to expect this. but they refused to let me go.

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what is .cloud?

deft pewter
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It's a bot command ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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Ludeeus is suggesting you read the links the bot shared.

molten osprey
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I dont want to switch to CloudFlare for DNS. I'm fine with it all being at Dreamhost, they've got great service.

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@deft pewter oh that thing again. now i gotta go and change all the settings in my Discord app again to see the links

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oh ... Nabu Casa

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right

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it's an option, true

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$5 per month .... or $3.77 per year .... let my cheap ass think for a second

deft pewter
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One supports the development of HA, the other doesn't.

light trout
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One saves you time

deft pewter
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I'll admit I don't pay for either right now... but if I was going to pay for something HA-related, it'd be Nabu Casa.

light trout
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And hassle

molten osprey
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Sorry to disappoint!

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๐Ÿ™‚

deft pewter
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Eh, to each their own

light trout
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I don't think I have used the services for anything other than testing (untill recently) and have been a subscriber for a long time ๐Ÿ˜„

north plover
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this the right place to ask about problems?

light trout
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Probably not

molten osprey
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drinking problems?

north plover
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haha na got that one under control

molten osprey
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๐Ÿ˜‰

north plover
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anyone had an issue where they have a light working with mqtt, the next day it doesnt work?, ive gotten it to work, another 3 hours of debugging and then today unavailable again

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is there a discord channel that i can move this issue to? thanks

deft pewter
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Yeah, this is the wrong place for HA support ๐Ÿ˜ start in #integrations-archived if it's an mqtt integration.

north plover
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thanks mono

rare condor
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Goes well with Tradies

hushed basalt
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I like voltex

deft pewter
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There's a UK computer supplier that does the same. I loved it but don't use them anymore now that their prices aren't competitive โ˜น๏ธ

hushed basalt
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I'm not liking this trend of all these lights being tricolour

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So a switch to change from 2800k, 4000k and 6000k

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Seems like a waste of diodes

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I know it's so suppliers can just sell one SKU for 3 colour temps

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Looks like I'll have to design my own light if I want CCT :/

molten osprey
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ok that was more work than i expected it to be ... mostly because i'm an idiot. but ... yay!