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last dirge Jul 30, 2020, 8:17 PM

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who died

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from the rona

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after he got it attending a Trump Rally

wet pilot Jul 30, 2020, 8:17 PM

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20 -> 29 is a bit too fast though isn't it?

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or can the tests pick it up faster than 14 days?

forest edge Jul 30, 2020, 8:18 PM

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@last dirge oh heh, i just flipped back to this channel and saw and went on ahead and asked

last dirge Jul 30, 2020, 8:18 PM

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@wet pilot or he had it and went to the rally

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Herman Cain, superspreader

trail crag Jul 30, 2020, 8:19 PM

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no covid for me or anyone in the house, yet

wet pilot Jul 30, 2020, 8:19 PM

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genuine question though. I don't know when it starts showing up on tests

last dirge Jul 30, 2020, 8:19 PM

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I don't know either

forest edge Jul 30, 2020, 8:19 PM

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no covid for me or anyone in the house, yet
@trail crag that is good

last dirge Jul 30, 2020, 8:19 PM

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I'm no scientician

forest edge Jul 30, 2020, 8:20 PM

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@wet pilot depends on how big of a "dose" you get as they put it

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why symptoms vary so much around the 2 week mark

wet pilot Jul 30, 2020, 8:20 PM

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makes sense

trail crag Jul 30, 2020, 8:22 PM

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A friend of mine here locally had suspicions and got them confirmed in what seemed to be a week

forest edge Jul 30, 2020, 8:23 PM

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I thought back in march they were saying some started have fevers as early as a few days

wet pilot Jul 30, 2020, 8:23 PM

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probably all depends on the "dose" like you said

forest edge Jul 30, 2020, 8:23 PM

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yea, big diff between someone sneezing in your mouth and you rubbing your nose lol

granite hare Jul 30, 2020, 8:25 PM

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if someone sneezed in my mouth, I would probably take the awful advice of drinking bleach...

last dirge Jul 30, 2020, 8:31 PM

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no no, not drinking, injecting

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also open it all up to sunlight

wet pilot Jul 30, 2020, 8:31 PM

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iantrich is not a doctor. iantrichdoes not endorse the practice of drinking bleach. Doing so is dangerous and will kill you. DO NOT drink bleach.

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figured you needed some fine print 😄

light trout Jul 30, 2020, 8:32 PM

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With @granite hare you never know 🤷‍♂️

wet pilot Jul 30, 2020, 8:32 PM

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gotta read it really fast like a medical commercial

last dirge Jul 30, 2020, 8:35 PM

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consult your congressperson for elections lasting more than 4 hours

granite hare Jul 30, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Wait...bleach will kill you if ingested?!? /s

last dirge Jul 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

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pretty basic

static schooner Jul 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

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it makes your insides white

last dirge Jul 30, 2020, 8:46 PM

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is it caustic or corrosive?

forest edge Jul 30, 2020, 8:49 PM

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corrosive

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can't imagine living the rest of your life with no stomach because you drank bleach lol

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assuming you made it to a hospital in time that is

last dirge Jul 30, 2020, 8:57 PM

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I read something on reddit a while from a doctor responding to a post about someone committing suicide by drinking something horrible

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I think it was acid

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they said essentially there's no way to "undo" that

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I don't think bleach would be as quick unless you did something to concentrate it

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but the whole stripping of lipid layer can't be too great for the ol' esophagus

forest edge Jul 30, 2020, 9:00 PM

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no idea what the time frame would be, guess would also depend on how much you drank but I know stomach pumping dosen't solve the issue

granite hare Jul 30, 2020, 9:06 PM

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you guys take all the fun out of everything...

fathom sparrow Jul 30, 2020, 9:14 PM

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wtf is going on here

granite hare Jul 30, 2020, 9:16 PM

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move along

last dirge Jul 30, 2020, 9:20 PM

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I said good day sir

brisk glen Jul 30, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Someone is getting tired of being inside all day

hushed basalt Jul 30, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Paracetamol overdose is pretty bad too

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Or tylenol or whatever you call it

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There's a lot of dangerous things in our homes that will send you on a one way trip to the hospital

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Coin Cell batteries as well

forest edge Jul 30, 2020, 10:12 PM

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a tear in your taint

hushed basalt Jul 30, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Tears cause tears

hushed basalt Jul 30, 2020, 10:52 PM

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My dishwasher costs $0.45 to run on the highest setting including the tablet

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I wonder how much cheaper it will be if I run it on a slow eco setting

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Find out next week on Dragon Ball Z

static schooner Jul 30, 2020, 10:58 PM

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I've never heard acetaminophen/Tylenol called "Paracetamol"

hushed basalt Jul 30, 2020, 10:59 PM

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It's what it's called in Australia

static schooner Jul 30, 2020, 10:59 PM

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TIL

hushed basalt Jul 30, 2020, 11:02 PM

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But yeah it's not fun stuff

crimson coral Jul 31, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Hey :D
Let's say i'm wanna go all (or almost all) hard-wired for my house AND i don't live in Europe (important because that exclude KNX), do you guys know some good options ?

forest edge Jul 31, 2020, 12:50 AM

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I don't follow

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you want to ethernet whole house? looking just to run random wires whole house for various connections?

night zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 2:09 AM

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Sonoma, are you a car?

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When you talk, I feel like I am listening to something with 4 wheels.

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 2:29 AM

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@crimson coral not many options I'm afraid

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Without going to industrial gear

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Raspberry Pis with poe and using their gpios would be a viable option

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But you'll be designing/programming all of your own sensors

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:05 AM

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why the hell is this cable $33? https://smile.amazon.com/DisplayPort-FOINNEX-Adapter-Computer-Monitor-Male/dp/B07G79WR3L/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=hdmi+to+displayport+cable+bidirectional&qid=1596164707&sr=8-3

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Isn't paracetomol the actual medical term for the drug? Tylenol is just a brand.

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:13 AM

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ACKCHUALLY

forest edge Jul 31, 2020, 3:13 AM

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because it's converting aka splitting the audio out

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:18 AM

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it's not though

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I figured it out, it's gotta do some song and dance routine to do a "handshake" that the displayport spec needs

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the KVM switch I got makes no mention of this "feature" it has

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it's got a SUPER LOUD piezo speaker that beeps when it detects video input

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so that's gettin returned

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Few things that would attribute to the cost on that. Both HDMI and DP have separate handshakes. That cable is also an active cable (requiring dedicated power from a separate USB port). And I don't know of a lot of MALE DP ports that can be used as OUTPUT rather than INPUT when converting from another standard.

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:26 AM

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that's not what that cable does though

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it converts HDMI output to Displayport Input

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so plug it into a HDMI port on a video card, plug the Displayport end into a monitor

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the Displayport to HDMI adapter is $12

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other way around, twice as much

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and apparently the dual-monitor KVM with Displayport isn't a common need

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Likely the active portion of it which is making it that expensive then. Surprised it needs an active line though, with such a relatively short distance.

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:39 AM

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description says it "may need it"

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Usually you only need active power if it's 20ft+

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Why don't you just use a DP -> HDMI adapter and a HDMI cable then?

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(provided HDMI is enough to actually drive whatever monitor you want to KVM)

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:41 AM

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because that's not the way it needs to be converted

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video card has 3 outputs, Dual link DVI, HDMI, and DisplayPort

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I found this better KVM though

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https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B079338SYL/ref=crt_ewc_title_oth_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

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takes advantage of the DisplayPort tech and adds a secondary HDMI output off of the single link from the computers

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plus it's USB 3 vs the other noisy beep one that's only USB 2

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 3:42 AM

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How often are you gonna need to switch? When I was working from home I found it easy enough to just use two separate inputs on my monitor and a USB hub.

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But I was only switching 1-2 times a day.

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:43 AM

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not often, but it's a lot less work to use a KVM

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and it's a writeoff anyhow

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 3:44 AM

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It's just that every step you introduce, can change the signal. My monitor is a gaming monitor, so I specifically didn't want any sort of KVM or DP hub because it would lose features/refresh.

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 3:44 AM

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I used a USB kvm and multiple inputs on my displays

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Only needed usb2 for keyboard, mouse, and wireless headset

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 3:46 AM

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My monitor has a USB3 hub built into it, so all I did was switch USB ports when switching computers, and switched display inputs. Super simple, everything worked.

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:46 AM

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yeah, it's not that big of a deal

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one monitor's an older 21" acer, the other one's a newer 24" ASUS

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I'm not a serious gamer, just like the real estate

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I play Rust occasionally

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 3:47 AM

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Both mine are trash tier acers 😀

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:48 AM

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the ASUS is nice

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better since I got my Huey

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Duals is a bit more annoying. I sprung for a single ultrawide during lockdown for simplicity's sake - plus I get frequent neck issues from looking across multiple monitors.

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 3:48 AM

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I'm in desperate need of an upgrade but it needs to be mac compatible

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:48 AM

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LOL

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Stupid work laptop

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:48 AM

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doesn't it have thunderbolt compatible ports?

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Mac have always used pretty uniform standards for monitors at least.

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Yeah, it has the stupid 4 usb c ports only

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 3:49 AM

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And most of the top-end monitors have USB-C ports that are TB capable.

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:49 AM

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guaranteed there's a thunderbolt to whatever adapter

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 3:50 AM

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Also, I built out a sim racing rig so I gotta figure out some stuff to run cables to both the rig and the desk

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:50 AM

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B&H sent me an email with "new special price on this monitor

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it's a 49" ultrawide curved screen

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it's 8K across 🙂

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 3:51 AM

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Wow

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By what?

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:51 AM

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whatever regular 4K is high

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 3:52 AM

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I'm prolly going to do a 1440 ultrawide

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:52 AM

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lemme see if I can find it

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 3:52 AM

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You really don't want that high a resolution on an Ultrawide (or any workstation monitor really). You sit too close for that level of pixel density.

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1440 UW is the tits.

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 3:52 AM

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And maybe a 1080 oriented virtually

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:52 AM

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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1457462-REG/lg_49wl95c_w_49_class_32_9_ultrawide.html

LG 49WL95C-W 49" 32:9 Curved UltraWide HDR IPS Monitor

Buy LG 49WL95C-W 49" 32:9 Curved UltraWide HDR IPS Monitor featuring In-Plane Switching (IPS) Technology, HDMI | DisplayPort | USB Type-C Inputs, 5120 x 1440 Resolution, 1000:1 Static Contrast Ratio, 350 cd/m² Brightness, 178°/178° Viewing Angles, 5 ms Response Time, 1.07 Bill...

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 3:53 AM

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That's not 8k across, that's standard 1440 superUW 😛

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You honestly won't likely need it @wet pilot. I thought I would, but I don't miss it. Sometimes I set up my iPad underneath my monitor using Duet though. That works pretty well.

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 3:54 AM

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Eh, just somewhere to sling some coding research or outlook/slack

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I'd still have the laptop display though

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 3:54 AM

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https://www.samsung.com/au/monitors/odyssey-g9-c49g95t/ This is the new hotness these days. Too much curve on it for my liking though.

Samsung au

SAMSUNG | 49" Curved | G9 | Odyssey Monitor | Samsung Australia

49" Samsung Odyssey G9 1000R Curved Gaming Monitor with QLED, HDR1000, DQHD, 240Hz refresh rate, 1ms response time, and is G-Sync compatible.

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Yeah that's pretty nuts. Linus liked it

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:55 AM

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I just need to see lots of code

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 3:55 AM

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The way I have mine set up is a standard 16:9 window in the middle, with two gutters either side used either for research or chat.

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Is that manual or are there software tricks to make that work?

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 3:56 AM

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MS released a cool tool within PowerToys called FancyZones that allows you to customise all that.

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:56 AM

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I used to have just two laptops and everything ran through DisplayLink adapters

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so I'd switch everything with a single cable

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 3:56 AM

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I got macOS though

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Probably something similar for OSX too.

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https://magnet.crowdcafe.com/

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There ya go 🙂

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 3:58 AM

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Some stuff built in apparently

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Per workspace at least

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Mayyybe

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We'll see if black friday actually happens this year

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Also about to have a need for a 2nd car after almost 2 years with only 1 so I gotta save some

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 4:00 AM

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I just bought an electric bicycle, so hopefully need the car significantly less!

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 4:01 AM

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We need a 2nd baby seat capable vehicle unfortunately

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Also kinda need a pickup for a lot of house projects

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Well, "need"

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For the truck at least

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Yeah, I don't have that problem. No kids, and considering going to get the ✂️

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 4:08 AM

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That's on my list

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We're not doing 2

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 4:09 AM

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I figure that if I end up wanting a kid, there's thousands that need a good home.

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Wife snuck having a baby into the marriage contract /s

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Stupid fine print

night zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 4:29 AM

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📎 IMG_20200730_232609026.jpg 📎 IMG_20200730_232623185.jpg

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yay, now to sort out a config for it

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 5:02 AM

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@rare condor I finished the proof of concept on my solar diverter simulation

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It's really lets me demonstrate how important reducing heat loss and strategic thermal mass can make a solar diverter way more useful

rare condor Jul 31, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Yeah it only makes sense if you have reasonable thermal insulation

night zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 5:21 AM

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📎 IMG_20200731_002111118.jpg

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adapters

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Air tightness is a big factor as well. @rare condor

rare condor Jul 31, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Yeah which means it's not relevant in Aus :P

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 5:30 AM

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:'(

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Especially your wood stud houses

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Brick veneer is terrible but the internal mass can be taken advantage of

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It really does lag a heatwave here

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 5:36 AM

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I was very disappointed with "winter" this year. Didn't even drop below 10 degrees at any point in my suburb 😦

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Bloody climate change.

rare condor Jul 31, 2020, 5:37 AM

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I have done real world testing in my house and it poses no benefit unless I heat up to 30c + for the temp to reach 20c when back home

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Cheaper to get 10c feeding payback for me and heat on demand

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I can finally turn my solar on next week after having it installed for a full month. Bloody energy providers are so slow to action anything.

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 6:03 AM

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@rare condor

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Crappy House no Solar Diverter

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Crappy House with Solar Diverter

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Better House no solar diverter

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Better House with Solar Diverter

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3 Day period with the identical PV generation

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Is that for controlled load hot water redirector @hushed basalt?

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I considered it for my place, but controlled load cost is only 2c more than my FIT, so don't think it'd be worth it.

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 6:21 AM

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Sort of

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Basically for the demo, you put in a list of entities to monitor as well as their estimated load, a turn_on_action and a turn_off_action

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So I have thermostats, where the turn_on_action is set the temp to 25, and turn off action is set the temp to 20 etc

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And it looks at how much surplus power you have available, sorts the loads that can be 'turned on' by the priority that you set, sees if there's enough surplus power to turn that one on, and then turns it on

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And the same in reverse when there's power being imported from the grid

rare condor Jul 31, 2020, 6:25 AM

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But the big thing with diverters is the ability to use 'excess power'. I.e. rather than turn on 2400w heating load you control the output based off available extra i.e. 1823w or something. This is pretty expensive but required as solar fluctuates massively throughout the day

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 6:25 AM

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Ohh right, so kinda like a solar usage optimiser.

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I have kinda written a simplistic one of those myself. Looks at cloudiness forecast, and lets me know if I should schedule high power usage tasks for that day (dishwasher/washing machine/etc).

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Yeah so this is designed to work with anything

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So real world heat pumps, heaters,

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Would definitely be helpful for places that need constant heating/have pools.

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 6:28 AM

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Same with cooling as well

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But yeah when I get the chance I'll get my mum set up with power monitoring

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And set it to work on her house

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As she has 3 aircons, a pool pump, a pool heater and solar panels

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Yeah, I guess using an optimiser to cool a house down while there's still daylight would be better than trying to cool it down when you get home. I have all my ACs hooked up to Broadlink IR blasters, so I might have to modify my solar controller to do that 🙂

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 6:42 AM

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I'll give you the source when I'm finished

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It's an appdaemon app

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Heh, funnily enough - so is mine 🙂

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Do you have solar panels and monitoring

thick dragon Jul 31, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Yes. Not turned on yet though, because Energy Australia have been fucking slack at getting the meter upgraded to support feed in.

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Fronius inverter + smart meter.

midnight adder Jul 31, 2020, 10:27 AM

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Eid Mubarak

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💪

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☝️

velvet horizonBOT Jul 31, 2020, 10:36 AM

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The topic of this channel is:

NO HOME ASSISTANT SUPPORT HERE (look at the other channels for that). NO POLITICS OR RELIGION!

BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 1:05 PM

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anybody using water/leak sensors?

amber bramble Jul 31, 2020, 1:14 PM

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I've got a couple

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 1:24 PM

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what communication protocol?

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 1:24 PM

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I'm still looking for a way to control my water heater, this guys diverting solar power

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https://tenor.com/view/pass-rick-and-morty-my-purpose-you-pass-butter-pass-the-butter-gif-5234754

Tenor

You pass butter

▶ Play video

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 1:33 PM

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@last dirge got a few as well. ZW

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 1:38 PM

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@tidal bronze what kind?

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 1:38 PM

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Fibaro

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Doubles as temp sensor as well for bathrooms

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 1:48 PM

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https://smile.amazon.com/Haozee-Sensor-Detector-Remote-Resistant¡/dp/B07XL21QJF/ I was looking at those

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person in the reviews specifically mentions HomeAssistant

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my water heater's been in service for 13 years so it's kind of in the scary zone

amber bramble Jul 31, 2020, 1:49 PM

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@last dirge I've got an Aeotec z-wave sensor and a samsung zigbee sensor

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I like the form factor of the samsung sensor the best

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 1:49 PM

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form factor doesn't really matter

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they'll all be hidden

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I guess the main thing is going to be what battery it uses and how often it needs new ones

amber bramble Jul 31, 2020, 1:50 PM

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https://smile.amazon.com/Samsung-GP-U999SJVLCAA-Smart-things-Sensor/dp/B07F951JDP is the samsung one

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one sec ill check the battery

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 1:52 PM

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@last dirge more than a year

amber bramble Jul 31, 2020, 1:53 PM

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samsung sensor uses a CR2 battery and mine is reporting 93% after 3 months

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 1:53 PM

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I don't have a zigbee radio

amber bramble Jul 31, 2020, 1:53 PM

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you should get one 😛

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 1:53 PM

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You should run both

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 1:54 PM

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I don't wanna have to re-pair everything

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is there a zigbee only stick that doesn't suck?

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or is the Nortek stick still the go-to?

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Run zigbee and zw both.

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 1:56 PM

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@amber bramble I don't like the fact that one's gotta either have the water drip on the top of the thing or it's gotta sit in the water

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it looks good though

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the one I linked can work like that or it's got a little sensor dongle you can put wherever you want it to detect

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I think I like that

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Zigbee stuff is sooo much cheaper

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 1:57 PM

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Yes they are.

amber bramble Jul 31, 2020, 1:58 PM

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yeah i wish z-wave gear was less expensive

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Best is to mix and match

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Been very happy with GE in wall sensors. No more battery issues.

amber bramble Jul 31, 2020, 2:00 PM

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ge in-wall sensors whaaaat

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:01 PM

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it's part of a light switch

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I bought one to replace a failed switch but haven't done the switcheroo yet

amber bramble Jul 31, 2020, 2:01 PM

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ah those

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:01 PM

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https://byjasco.com/ge-z-wave-plus-smart-motion-switch switched out all with these. Couldn't be happier.

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:02 PM

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the switch that died is for a fart fan, doesn't make much sense to have a motion sensor there

amber bramble Jul 31, 2020, 2:02 PM

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i replaced all my z-wave switches with inovellis

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granted i only had 3 of them at the time

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:02 PM

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They are good too. I have few modules from them too.

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I think the mini relay switch.

amber bramble Jul 31, 2020, 2:05 PM

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my next purchase when i have money again is going to be inovelli's combo ceiling fan/light switches with the canopy modules

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:05 PM

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I changed from GE zwave fan modules to ifan03

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Only if they had a module that supports reverse feature

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:09 PM

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@last dirge my water heater is only 2 years old but the $100 timer I bought crapped out and now I have to manually turn it on and off

amber bramble Jul 31, 2020, 2:10 PM

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i just replaced my water heater last month

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:10 PM

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why are you turning it on and off?

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:10 PM

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fart fan @last dirge ?

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:10 PM

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yes, fart fan

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:10 PM

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I was about to ask 😆

amber bramble Jul 31, 2020, 2:10 PM

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it sprung a leak like 2 weeks after i put a water sensor under it and installed a dome z-wave shutoff valve on the main water line 😆

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:11 PM

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I turn it on and off because electricity is very expensive in The Bahamas, and I truthfully only need it on 1 hour in the morning and 1 hour at night at best

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Electric then. Haven't seen one of those in ages.

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:12 PM

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our power company charges fuel surchage on top of per kilowatt

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and the fuel charge is often more than the price of electricity

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my usage is around $100 but my fuel charge can be $160-$190 depending on the price of fuel

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so $290 for a single guy is a bit much

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so I've been searching for a way to connect it reliably to HA

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I also don't arrive/leave home at the same time so the ability for me to have an automation turn it on when I'm on the way home would be clutch

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and also off when I leave

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:14 PM

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why that instead of a solar unit?

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:14 PM

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because I don't have $1000+ for a solar unit

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importing anything into the country has shipping costs, and import duty associated with it

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my heater was about $300 and I installed it myself

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:15 PM

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what's the break even on electricity though?

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:15 PM

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well when I priced it out

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my solar wouldn't pay for itself in 10 years

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:17 PM

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10y isn't bad. i thought it was typically considered that if you beat 20 you're in the black

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:17 PM

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7 years now

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:18 PM

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oh 😄

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:18 PM

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my roof is too small and my power too cheap for it to make sense

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:18 PM

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Tesla pricing brings is closer to 5

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:18 PM

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anyone have a good calculator?

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:18 PM

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and Tesla doesn't install in my state :/

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yeah, it's built into my phone

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😉

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:19 PM

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@wet pilot what kind of calculator?

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:19 PM

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the one on google's project sunroof is pretty good

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:19 PM

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@wet pilot when I say wouldn't I mean 10 years was a joke

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:20 PM

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oh 😛

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:20 PM

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I was quoted $15,000 to solar my home

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:20 PM

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@wet pilot you will have to run your own numbers if you want to be super accurate

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:20 PM

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and that's with a genset

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but not with batteries I like

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:22 PM

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Most system sizing based on billing is way off

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:23 PM

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15k isn't bad at all

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how big of an array?

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:24 PM

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Actually what was $ per watt?

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:26 PM

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I don't have access to the quote anymore but I believe it was for 5Kw panels and 5Kw genset

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:26 PM

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apparently i'm looking at a 18.6k USD system (after incentives) and my break even is just under 9 years

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:27 PM

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what would it be before incentives?

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cuz we don't get those LOL

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:27 PM

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25,2

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:27 PM

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we only just able to sell excess power to power company

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but only up to 5Kw

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:27 PM

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@wet pilot system size kDC?

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:27 PM

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10.5

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:27 PM

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Before incentives?

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:28 PM

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but that's a bit higher than it probably will be because its assuming 4 extra panels that my HOA won't allow

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25.2k USD

rare condor Jul 31, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Just setup my new HASS layout 😄

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:28 PM

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only federal incentives here

rare condor Jul 31, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Never program while drunk on Friday nights! 😉

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:29 PM

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so day drinking on a Sunday ok for coding?

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:30 PM

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he's in upsidedown land

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day drinking keeps the drop bears away

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:30 PM

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** looks at bottle of rum **

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:30 PM

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@wet pilot 2.4/W not bad. Tesla pricing is now is about $1.49/W

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:30 PM

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@wet pilot if Tesla installs in your state, get them

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:30 PM

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I want a powerwall

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:31 PM

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i'm not sure if they do

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:31 PM

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but I also want my testicles

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:31 PM

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and if you decide to get them, lemme know

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:31 PM

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and Tesla definitely don't install in The Bahamas

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:31 PM

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you can use my link and I think get some kind of bonus

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:31 PM

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i'm not really in a rush right now, there are a bunch of other things on my list

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:31 PM

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we only have 5 tesla cars here

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:31 PM

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It will hit $1/W

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:31 PM

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fed tax credit goes down after this year

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:31 PM

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and they all go to US for anything they need

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it's only $500 to ship a Tesla to Miami for service

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:32 PM

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oooh, you'll get a cool $100 reward if you use my link

rare condor Jul 31, 2020, 2:32 PM

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Almost there: I think the text colour is a bit off though.

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steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:32 PM

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and if you own a Tesla here, you have that in your top pocket

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:32 PM

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@steel crag that seems way cheap

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:32 PM

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@last dirge why didn't you tell me about the link. ? lol

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:33 PM

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where I am in The Bahamas only about 160 miles from Miami

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so it's a short boat ride

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maybe 10 hours on a slow boat

rare condor Jul 31, 2020, 2:33 PM

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"short"

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:34 PM

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@tidal bronze because you were shit talking Tesla so I figured you wouldn't use them

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did they install yet?

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:34 PM

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@rare condor it takes 23 hours to get to one of our southern islands from here

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and that's domestic travel

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sooooo 10 to another country is short

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Got them to revise the plan 4 times. 🙂 Still at it. @last dirge

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:34 PM

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I'll send you the link then

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:34 PM

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yeah, tesla doesn't install here

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:34 PM

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and considering you can do it in 4-6 hours if you not on a cargo boat taking cars.....

rare condor Jul 31, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Its relative

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30 mins in Europe is a lifetime

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:35 PM

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their pre-incentive is 16.4k for 8.16kW

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:35 PM

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I've lived in Europe, used to take me 2 hours to get to work

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Send me the link @last dirge Getting 2nd inverter for free now. Waiting for new plans.

rare condor Jul 31, 2020, 2:35 PM

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3 days in Aus travelling at 100km/h non stop and I still can't reach Perth

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:35 PM

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taking train to bus station then taking bus to work

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:35 PM

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another 10.7k if i add 2 powerwalls

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Powerwalls meh

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Unless you are getting it for free

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:36 PM

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lol how do you do that?

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:36 PM

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lol

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:37 PM

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free > *

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 2:37 PM

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@wet pilot where are you?

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:37 PM

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NC

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:37 PM

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If you are in a fire zone 3 and run medical equipment at home city gives it for free, @wet pilot

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:37 PM

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ah gotcha

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Power walls will get better. Tesla is going with Panasonic cells now.

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:42 PM

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vs their own?

tidal bronze Jul 31, 2020, 2:42 PM

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They are trying hard to dump the existing ones

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 2:42 PM

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I supposed I could order like 10000 panasonic 18650's and just wire my own

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😄

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there's someplace that sells LG's here for $20 each

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 2:43 PM

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are 26650s available?

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i think that's what tesla is using these days

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a bit better on density

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 3:00 PM

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you mean 18650?

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nah, they're using 21700s now

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the cells in the 3/Y

rare condor Jul 31, 2020, 3:20 PM

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I like Tesla's but I would not like the stigma of been a Tesla Driver

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People thinking I love Elon Musk and been arrogent etc.

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 3:21 PM

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ah 21700. i knew they were using a larger cell but i couldn't remember the dimensions

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26650s were being used in vaporizers for a bit there

brazen fable Jul 31, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Elon Musk and Tesla's are great wdym

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Teslas, absolutely

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Elon, weeeeeeell

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depends on the day

lunar sundial Jul 31, 2020, 4:33 PM

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48C for the high.... 32C for the low 😦

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RIP my AC

trail crag Jul 31, 2020, 4:37 PM

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https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2020/7/31/21349332/nvidia-talks-buy-arm-processor-mobile-deal-32-billion-softbank-purchase-rumor

The Verge

Nvidia is reportedly in "advanced talks" to buy ARM for more than $...

It might be the biggest chip deal ever

lunar sundial Jul 31, 2020, 4:38 PM

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wonder if that's good or bad 🤔

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 4:58 PM

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.c2f 48

velvet horizonBOT Jul 31, 2020, 4:58 PM

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:thermometer:

Celsius To Fahrenheit

48 degrees celsius = 118.4 degrees fahrenheit!

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 4:58 PM

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yikes

turbid stirrup Jul 31, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Ouch... We have a peak of 32C here today, I don't want to imagine 48

orchid rose Jul 31, 2020, 5:15 PM

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There's something weird going on with Arm from what I read. There was news about the Chinese subsidiary CEO refusing to leave and had hired a personal army to defend him

deft pewter Jul 31, 2020, 5:15 PM

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You mean ARM got armed?

orchid rose Jul 31, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Not sure what the full story is but it's worth checking it out. Seemed pretty spicy

rare condor Jul 31, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Isn't ARM China's division having a hostile takeover?

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As in CEO got fired but refuses to leave and seized control of company

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 5:55 PM

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.f2c 96

velvet horizonBOT Jul 31, 2020, 5:55 PM

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:thermometer:

Fahrenheit To Celsius

96 degrees fahrenheit = 35.56 degrees celsius!

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 5:56 PM

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So currently that here with 98% humidity. Heat index of 107

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And its overcast and about to rain

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@wet pilot 26650's in this town? Nah. Lucky to have the one place selling 18650's

wet pilot Jul 31, 2020, 6:01 PM

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haha

night zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 6:07 PM

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This is my last day using dark sky 😦

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 6:07 PM

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This is The Bahamas. We have every kind of alcohol known to man. Electronic parts... not in great demand on the beach

orchid rose Jul 31, 2020, 6:10 PM

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I would die in that weather

night zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 6:10 PM

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I get that weather in Illinois, lol

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sometimes

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but we also get the opposite cold-wise

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this is the coolest weather we have in a while

orchid rose Jul 31, 2020, 6:13 PM

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.c2f 19

velvet horizonBOT Jul 31, 2020, 6:13 PM

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:thermometer:

Celsius To Fahrenheit

19 degrees celsius = 66.2 degrees fahrenheit!

orchid rose Jul 31, 2020, 6:13 PM

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That's what we have now. A bit too chill for my liking, but not too bad

night zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 6:18 PM

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📎 IMG_20200731_124201075.jpg

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I like these boards a lot more

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 6:38 PM

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anybody else in here do photography?

orchid rose Jul 31, 2020, 6:58 PM

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A little, but being one to sit at the PC all day, it kinda went away

granite hare Jul 31, 2020, 6:59 PM

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my phone can take pictures

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:10 PM

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@last dirge what's the photo question

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:11 PM

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got any recs on a bag for a body and two lenses?

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Depends on your style

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Shoulder bag?

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:12 PM

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I don't understand the differences in style between the adjectives they use

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a messenger style bag would be what?

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sling?

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:13 PM

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I just ignore the names and look at them,

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:13 PM

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or would that still be considered shoulder?

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and HOLY SHIT are lenses expensive as hell

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:13 PM

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You'll probably have a lens attached to a body and one loose

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Lol everything is relative

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:14 PM

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I got a used Fujifilm X-T2

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:14 PM

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I worked for a company that had $60k lenses or sets of primes worth north of $100k

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:14 PM

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and a 35mm f1.4 prime lens

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:15 PM

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When a 120mm pola filter was $1200 it puts everything in a twisted perspective

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:16 PM

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okay how about recommendations on what features I should look for in a bag; what's a gimmick and what's useful?

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Bags are really subjective so you may just be better off going to a store and trying

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Umm

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Simple is best

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One flap to open to get everything is better than six compartments

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Also think about how they look in terms of attractiveness to thieves

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Lowepro semi rigid bags will protect your gear from damage but screams steal me

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A generic soft messsnger bag will be less attractive

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:18 PM

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so this bright yellow Nanuk case I carry my drone in is a target?

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🤔

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:19 PM

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If you want you can get a small lowepro side load backpack

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And carry a mavic, camera, lenses and a small lunch all in one

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A bag with an integrated weather protector is nice

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:20 PM

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like a rain fly?

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Yeah

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But i wouldn't worry about one for a messenger bag you'd want that to have some light rain protection inbuilt

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It just depends do you want an everyday carry normal bag that can take your camera

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Or a dedicated bag just for the camera, batteries, lenses, charger etc

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:22 PM

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doesn't have to be a single bag

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:23 PM

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Lowepro is pretty good value in certain ranges

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:23 PM

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I'd like one I could toss my laptop and the camera stuff in for going on vacation probably

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:23 PM

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I'd get a backpack if you want something you can put in an overhead locker

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Ones that open from the side

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So you can swing the backpack around your body and get the camera without putting it down/taking it off

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:25 PM

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it's a mirrorless camera so I guess the bags can be smaller

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you mean something like this? https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1119687-REG/lowepro_lp36870_fastpack_150_aw_ii.html

Lowepro Fastpack BP 150 AW II (Black)

Buy Lowepro Fastpack BP 150 AW II (Black) featuring Holds DSLR with Attached Lens & 2 Lenses, Zippered Pocket for 11" Laptop & Tablet, Left, Top & Front Access to Gear, Padded Touch-Fastened Interior Dividers, Top Storage Compartment with Pockets, Removable Padded Waistbelt, S...

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Yeah something like that is worth looking at in a store

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150 size

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Only small laptop though

orchid rose Jul 31, 2020, 7:31 PM

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I wasn't expecting bags to be the first thing in town your mind. Telco has good advice though

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:32 PM

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You'd need to go up to a 200 if you want to carry a 13" probably

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:32 PM

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laptop size, you mean?

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Yeah

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:32 PM

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I'm probably going to end up getting a new laptop sooner rather than later

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my current laptop is a ThinkPad and it's a beast

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:33 PM

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You're not going to be doing much flying soon anyways

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:33 PM

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right

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which is why I said it doesn't have to be a single bag

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:34 PM

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If you want a dedicated bag

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Messenger bags I don't have much experience with

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But I'd go for something that doesn't look "photo"

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📎 15962241289046115986757268524826.jpg

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For protection nothing beats this line

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last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:36 PM

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if this didn't have the logo on the front, it'd be perfect

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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1296612-REG/think_tank_photo_656_mirrorless_mover_20_camera.html

Think Tank Photo Mirrorless Mover 20 Camera Bag (Pewter)

Buy Think Tank Photo Mirrorless Mover 20 Camera Bag (Pewter) featuring Holds Mirrorless Body with 2-3 Lenses, Interior Zip Pocket with Phone Slot, Flip-Top Lid with Magnetic Closures, Rear Belt Slot, Front Zippered Accessory Pocket, Padded Interior Dividers, Stretchable Side P...

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Yeah there's a trillion shoulder bag designs

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I'd just look in your local store for something you like

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Then buy it on amazon =3

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Look at how much padding is in the floor of the bag

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How rigid it holds it's structure

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:39 PM

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this takes really damn good photos

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Good strap, a big wide foamy shoulder strap is nice

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:41 PM

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oh, that's another thing

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I assume the strap that came with the camera is the minimum viable thing

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did someone kill image sharing in here again?

deft pewter Jul 31, 2020, 7:42 PM

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I like this kind of camera strap: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Release-Perfect-including-Warranty-HiiGuy/dp/B01NASPXSR

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Easy to leave it over one shoulder all the time but still be able to pull your camera up in front without resistance.

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I can't stand having a camera hanging off the back of my neck. Side carry all the way.

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:45 PM

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that clamp is kinda scary

deft pewter Jul 31, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Yeah, mine's a little 'safer' than that. I've never worried that it might come undone.

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Gotta use a decent amount of force to depress the gate and still have to turn it 90º to the camera to slide it through.

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There are other brands with various different attachment systems, it's just the side carry that I find works well for both comfort and convenience.

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 7:53 PM

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got any recommendations for a small flash?

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:55 PM

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I'd recommend something like that also

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If you don't need to put it on a tripod the strap mounts on the bottom are best

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I'm not sure what the interfaces for fuji are like in terms of flash

night zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 7:57 PM

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📷 📸

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I have contributed to this conversation.

hushed basalt Jul 31, 2020, 7:57 PM

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My guess is you're probably looking at $250USD+ for a decent flash

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You picked an expensive hobby

deft pewter Jul 31, 2020, 8:06 PM

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You're not wrong

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Could be worse though... could be something like MtG

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 8:09 PM

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@hushed basalt it's got a hot shoe

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so, same as everything else, I guess

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 8:17 PM

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@last dirge I got mine off amazon I'll dig a link

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I used to support myself entirely as a photographer

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Now I also have 5 drones

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 8:31 PM

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cool

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I'm hoping to move toward generating some extra income via photography eventually

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 8:34 PM

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it's an expensive one to get into but once you do you can help offset the cost of gear LOL

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I've always flown R/C, used to build planes from scratch as a kid

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but these quadcopters are the easiest things to fly ever

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when I did aerial photography as a kid, we had a 35mm in the fuselage and it was activated by a spare channel on the remote

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and you had to land to wind to advance LOL

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now it's like look ma, streaming 4k with no hands

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 8:43 PM

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and you had to go to the drug store to get your filmed developed

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walking there through the snow

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uphill both ways

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 8:43 PM

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bro I live in The Bahamas

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we NEVER had film developers in the drug store

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 8:43 PM

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I thought that was a universal thing

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 8:43 PM

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you had to go to the photography shop, or be like me and have family that had a photo studio

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I used to develop my black and white at home in the bathroom

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and my color in the studio

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color film was about $40 a roll back then

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soooooo.... I used it sparingly

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if you never swapped rolls of film halfway thru, and then swap back, did you even really take pictures

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LOL

night zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 8:57 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekjt_HuLD9w

YouTube

bigclivedotcom

New improved 248V sausage roll zapping.

While much more effective, this is also a lot more dangerous than the Presto hotdogger. I really don't recommend trying this at home, as the exposed electrodes pose a high shock risk.
This time the sausage roll (extruded sausage-like stuff in a puff pastry sleeve) was thoroug...

▶ Play video

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 8:58 PM

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when I saw electricity + food I knew it was Clive

night zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Straight content. 5 minutes of nothing but viewable pleasure.

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Now I am hungry.

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 9:05 PM

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well the description says bigclivedotcom

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😄

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 9:10 PM

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sure but I saw the picture first

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@night zodiac did you see the "hotdog cooker" that essentially put hot dogs between the mains?

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 9:11 PM

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@last dirge I know man 😄

night zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 9:13 PM

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yeah, Brian. haha

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neat death contraption

last dirge Jul 31, 2020, 9:15 PM

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@steel crag so ISO used to be "baked in" to film?

steel crag Jul 31, 2020, 9:15 PM

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yup

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I used to shoot on 800

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because I could do what I needed to to make that work in almost any situation

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but I transitioned to digital around 2000-2001

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I had a Fuji digital point and shoot but shot Nikon professionally

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and Olympus for personal

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but now I've got a Canon T3i

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with a few pieces of glass

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nothing crazy

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God I'm old

undone aspen Jul 31, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Heh.

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I find it funny how someone could be "Playing" Visual Studio Code. || *looks at @thick crypt ||

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😉

thick crypt Jul 31, 2020, 9:38 PM

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I find it funny how someone could be "Playing" Visual Studio Code. || *looks at @thick crypt ||
@undone aspen it's like playing "the keyboard", but then in programming style instead of music 😛

undone aspen Jul 31, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Hehehehe

night zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Editing npm-debug.log

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doubt

thick crypt Jul 31, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Lol you can even see the file and project 😮 (where is my privacy?!) 😛

night zodiac Jul 31, 2020, 9:42 PM

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That is why I only had that extension installed for about 5 minutes before I switched to just using the built-in jazz and adding it as a game

tame moss Aug 1, 2020, 1:16 AM

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just picked up 4 color hue bulbs at walmart for $25 a piece

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they are on clearance

forest edge Aug 1, 2020, 1:45 AM

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25 on clearance? wow lol

tidal bronze Aug 1, 2020, 1:50 AM

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@forest edge wait 23 years will come down to the antique price 😜

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And then you will say "these hue bulbs were built like a tank" 😝

forest edge Aug 1, 2020, 1:52 AM

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cept we already know hue bulbs are cheaper Chinese bulbs with diffrent branding lol

tidal bronze Aug 1, 2020, 1:53 AM

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I don't understand you man. So confuse

tame moss Aug 1, 2020, 1:53 AM

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the hues are their own design

forest edge Aug 1, 2020, 1:53 AM

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you never seen the hue bulb tear down videos?>

tame moss Aug 1, 2020, 1:53 AM

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signify makes their bulbs

tidal bronze Aug 1, 2020, 1:54 AM

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@forest edge no idea and not interested.

tame moss Aug 1, 2020, 1:54 AM

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Hues are the best color bulbs imo

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I want to try the lifx but no hub scares me

forest edge Aug 1, 2020, 1:55 AM

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@tidal bronze lol well there you go, so in 23 years the price will come down and I'll still think a penny is too much 😜

tame moss Aug 1, 2020, 1:55 AM

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what does that mean?

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@forest edge I've seen some people a few weeks back say their walmarts were on clearance for $25, my local store just put them out for $25 last night and I picked some up today. May be worth checking your local walmart 🙂

tidal bronze Aug 1, 2020, 1:56 AM

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In 2023 you will go "back in 2020, they knew how to make bulbs, so reliable and built to withstand anything"..... So confuse @forest edge

forest edge Aug 1, 2020, 1:57 AM

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that will never happen, the days of quality are long gone @tidal bronze

tidal bronze Aug 1, 2020, 1:57 AM

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Arhhhh get outta here. You an your antiques

forest edge Aug 1, 2020, 1:57 AM

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will be like comparing dog turd vs wolf turd down the road

tame moss Aug 1, 2020, 1:58 AM

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so what smart lighting solution do you have @forest edge?

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also imo wolf turd > dog turd

tidal bronze Aug 1, 2020, 1:59 AM

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So you think the manual churning, ice cube ice cream maker with the top handle is the shit ? 😝@forest edge

forest edge Aug 1, 2020, 1:59 AM

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@tame moss I got some off branded magic home garbage that I paid 5 bucks for a year ago or so

tame moss Aug 1, 2020, 1:59 AM

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magic home garbage?

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thats the company?

forest edge Aug 1, 2020, 1:59 AM

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@tidal bronze no but you can't deny that will continue to work long after you fancy italian named 52 button silver stainless contraption stops working lol

tidal bronze Aug 1, 2020, 2:00 AM

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You got me there.

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🤣

tame moss Aug 1, 2020, 2:01 AM

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so how bright do those off branded bulbs get

forest edge Aug 1, 2020, 2:01 AM

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@tame moss sure, may as well be lol

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they light up the night

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people on the space station often complain i'm blinding them

tame moss Aug 1, 2020, 2:02 AM

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oh alright

forest edge Aug 1, 2020, 2:03 AM

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they are just cheap chinese bulbs, nothing special but they don't need a hub and they aren't over priced lol

tame moss Aug 1, 2020, 2:03 AM

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how do they connect? z wave? wifi?

forest edge Aug 1, 2020, 2:03 AM

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wifi

tame moss Aug 1, 2020, 2:03 AM

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oooo yeah that explains their pricing

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i'd rather have z wave or zig bee with a hub

forest edge Aug 1, 2020, 2:03 AM

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although pretty sure they may make zigbee versions

tame moss Aug 1, 2020, 2:04 AM

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ive tried multiple different "non hub" marketed bulbs and had many reliability issues

forest edge Aug 1, 2020, 2:04 AM

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going on almost a year, 0 issues here

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food time be back

tidal bronze Aug 1, 2020, 2:05 AM

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So you wear one of these to install and test them ?

📎 61qMaAIN5PL._AC_SY355_.jpg

tame moss Aug 1, 2020, 2:06 AM

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lmao "yes welder"

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nah he's gotta use these @tidal bronze https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0047/6404/1314/products/viewpoint_1200x1200.png?v=1576469903

last dirge Aug 1, 2020, 2:15 AM

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📎 trump-solar-eclipse.png

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who needs the glasses?

tame moss Aug 1, 2020, 2:16 AM

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📎 smiley_PNG145.png

forest edge Aug 1, 2020, 2:25 AM

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@tidal bronze don't be jealous lol

last dirge Aug 1, 2020, 2:30 AM

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it's pretty amazing what a difference the right gear makes

tame moss Aug 1, 2020, 2:36 AM

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~~thats why i drive an automatic~~

last dirge Aug 1, 2020, 2:47 AM

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imagine having a transmission

tame moss Aug 1, 2020, 2:52 AM

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imagine having a way of transporation

night zodiac Aug 1, 2020, 2:53 AM

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safety squint

last dirge Aug 1, 2020, 2:54 AM

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gotta engage the safety squints

steel crag Aug 1, 2020, 3:17 AM

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imagine not realizing a gearbox is a manual transmission

last dirge Aug 1, 2020, 3:26 AM

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I got no gearbox, only final drive

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differential

hushed basalt Aug 1, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Electric car?

forest edge Aug 1, 2020, 8:31 AM

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methane gas powered

midnight adder Aug 1, 2020, 10:15 AM

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i have four words for you

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i.. love... home asssitant

wintry crater Aug 1, 2020, 10:36 AM

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custom sidebar is nice, didn't know it existed

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😄

forest edge Aug 1, 2020, 1:57 PM

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for you garden weirdos lol https://youtu.be/zR-NwZ8dP4w

YouTube

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steel crag Aug 1, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Anything for us regular weirdos?

rare condor Aug 1, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Internet?

wintry crater Aug 1, 2020, 6:44 PM

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load cells under the beds and couches as presence detection?

steel crag Aug 1, 2020, 6:50 PM

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@rare condor I guess. I need season 2 of the internet. I'm done with this season.

static schooner Aug 1, 2020, 6:51 PM

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I can’t believe it ended that way!

steel crag Aug 1, 2020, 6:52 PM

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IKR? who would have thought pornhub had that many videos also

sage timber Aug 1, 2020, 9:55 PM

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I have some tasmota devices that were added to homeassistant through discovery. Ive finally got around to replacing them but how do I tell homeassistant to forget them?

hushed basalt Aug 1, 2020, 10:18 PM

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For parents, what are you using as night lights

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All the smart bulbs I've seen are too bright

steel crag Aug 1, 2020, 10:38 PM

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my kid's 14, so the TV+PS4

amber bramble Aug 1, 2020, 10:49 PM

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@hushed basalt each bedroom has a hue bulb in a lamp and there's a remote for it with a 1% brightness preset

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still brighter than a "night light" though

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i have wall-mounted tablets in each bedroom too, overnight they go to a black screen on 1% brightness which provides a tiny bit of a glow

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wall mounted tablets also make great "emergency" lights in an overnight power outage 🤣

hushed basalt Aug 1, 2020, 10:53 PM

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Yeah I already have hue bulbs they're too bright

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Tablets could work for our forever home

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I might just get an ordinary night light and put it on a smart socket

steel crag Aug 1, 2020, 11:13 PM

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my sonoff touchs also have blue LED's on them that I have set to on when the switch is off

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@hushed basalt I have a regular nightlight I could connect to a sonoff, that's a good Idea. I already have my attic lamp on one also.

hushed basalt Aug 1, 2020, 11:22 PM

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I could use the LED light on the smart socket :D

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Although it's blue and you should avoid blue light at night

zealous aurora Aug 2, 2020, 2:12 AM

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Anyone have any suggestions for Floorplan creators?

steel crag Aug 2, 2020, 2:13 AM

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following

zealous aurora Aug 2, 2020, 2:19 AM

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https://floorplancreator.net/

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Found this, it seems to work alright

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Now I just need to take a tape measure to everything in my house lol

hushed basalt Aug 2, 2020, 2:33 AM

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I believe you can also do stuff with phone apps

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Measuring walls etc

static schooner Aug 2, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Or get a cool laser measurement tool: Bosch GLM 50 Laser Distance Measurer with 165-Feet Range and Backlit Display https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006XA7HOI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_aIIjFbTEXE94W

rich kettle Aug 2, 2020, 3:04 AM

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i have that

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works ok

static schooner Aug 2, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Super quick and accurate. Plus it’s an excuse to buy a tool

hushed basalt Aug 2, 2020, 3:30 AM

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I'd like a good self leveling laser

scenic radish Aug 2, 2020, 3:33 AM

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https://media.tenor.com/images/fca0440dbccbdbed95d8f57c33bea9b1/tenor.gif

pure vine Aug 2, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Ok, i have gotten everything ready to finally setup guest and iot vlans

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its mainly extra wifi networks on both routers incase i break the switches

storm summit Aug 2, 2020, 4:56 AM

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good stuff.

rare condor Aug 2, 2020, 6:08 AM

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hmmm... My state has curfew after 8PM now

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I literally cannot leave my house at all as I finish work by 8:30PM

midnight adder Aug 2, 2020, 6:36 AM

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well you can go shopping I suppose

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as food

hushed basalt Aug 2, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Does the curfew include work?

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Just say you need to repair a faulty PLC at McDonalds

midnight adder Aug 2, 2020, 6:41 AM

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carry a soldering iron in your pocket all the time just in case lol

hushed basalt Aug 2, 2020, 6:44 AM

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High vis vest and a clipboard

rare condor Aug 2, 2020, 8:39 AM

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@hushed basalt We have already been given letters from every council in the state, permitting my travel. I can head anywhere without issue.

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If police pull me over I have valid excuse to be out of home

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I could abuse that but I don't intend to

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I think tomorrow Bunnings/Maccas/ everything except super markets will close and those which service that supply chain.

hushed basalt Aug 2, 2020, 10:22 AM

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Whelp

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And the Commonwealth is trying to force us to open our border

leaden pelican Aug 2, 2020, 10:35 AM

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Thought I'd share my lovelace layout. Big thank you to Tinkerer, mono and others who helped along the way.
https://github.com/agneevX/my-ha-setup

GitHub

agneevX/my-ha-setup

My Home Assistant Lovelace layout. Contribute to agneevX/my-ha-setup development by creating an account on GitHub.

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@clever mortar @deft pewter

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 10:37 AM

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hmmm... My state has curfew after 8PM now
@rare condor because of covid?

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or because of riots

rare condor Aug 2, 2020, 10:37 AM

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covid

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 10:37 AM

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I take it like us, it's been getting worse there?

hushed basalt Aug 2, 2020, 10:47 AM

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When late stage capitalism meets a global pandemic

plucky yew Aug 2, 2020, 10:49 AM

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Hey changing from political topics. Lol. I just bought an elitedesk mini pc to migrate my HA install to (my install is getting too big and too slow for a rpi). What’s the preferred Install method ha on a dedicated intel PC?

velvet horizonBOT Aug 2, 2020, 10:49 AM

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The topic of this channel is:

NO HOME ASSISTANT SUPPORT HERE (look at the other channels for that). NO POLITICS OR RELIGION!

BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

deft pewter Aug 2, 2020, 10:50 AM

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(more for the support question than the Rona chat)

plucky yew Aug 2, 2020, 10:50 AM

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Are you saying my question is supposed to be asked here?

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I will assume yes

deft pewter Aug 2, 2020, 10:58 AM

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I'm saying the topic says 'NO HOME ASSISTANT SUPPORT HERE'.

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Take it to another channel. Read the topics of each until you find the right one.

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 11:15 AM

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@plucky yew all matter of preference and opinion. your not going to see much in difference in performance between install methods per say so you should just go with whatever you are comfortable with

rare condor Aug 2, 2020, 11:44 AM

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1.10m Minimum Storage Level due to Outlet pipe level Set Level: 0m. 😬

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Pump Max RPM 300 - CV RPM: 1800

rare condor Aug 2, 2020, 12:05 PM

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Hopefully strong Rotors

tame cove Aug 2, 2020, 12:14 PM

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totally offtopic but i wonder how is using a ipad as a controller for HA ? i was thinking about seraching for a wallwount with power

deft pewter Aug 2, 2020, 12:15 PM

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Someone over in #hardware-archived will probably have tips.

tame cove Aug 2, 2020, 12:16 PM

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oops ty 🙂

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 12:57 PM

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some people do that, it's as simple as opening the interface in the browser or even using the kiosk mode. if you search through #diy-archived you'll even see some custom mounts and other ideas people have had @tame cove

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HA has forums too https://community.home-assistant.io/categories

Home Assistant Community

Open source home automation that puts local control and privacy first.

steel crag Aug 2, 2020, 1:26 PM

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@rare condor my country has been on curfew since March

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we've also had total lockdowns

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currently curfew is 10pm and we were meant to be locked down this weekend but relaxed because of the hurricanee

rare condor Aug 2, 2020, 1:27 PM

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what country

steel crag Aug 2, 2020, 1:30 PM

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The Bahamas

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we also blocked commercial flights from the US

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but I think someone got butthurt and they told us we couldn't do that, so we make all travelers quarantine for 2 weeks so now no one wants to come

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😄

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absolutely amazing for our tourism based economy

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</Facetiousness>

rare condor Aug 2, 2020, 1:38 PM

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Nice indeed world sucks right now

steel crag Aug 2, 2020, 1:43 PM

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yeah and if 2020 didn't already suck ass thru a straw

weak light Aug 2, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Hey guys how can i szns udp data

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I jabe a video slicer that take udp data at port 4000

wintry crater Aug 2, 2020, 3:45 PM

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curl cht.sh/tcpdump

dusky plank Aug 2, 2020, 4:38 PM

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tcpdump for udp 🧐

last dirge Aug 2, 2020, 4:57 PM

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@steel crag have you used any Godox stuff?

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 5:00 PM

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hey all. very dumb newbie question: i installed HA in docker on my RPI using the docker compose configuration on the installation page. how do i get the add-on store? is that only a hass.io thing and i have to do my installation differently?

last dirge Aug 2, 2020, 5:01 PM

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add-on store is only available for #330990055533576204

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you can look into HACS if you want something similar

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 5:01 PM

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can homeassistant os run inside docker?

last dirge Aug 2, 2020, 5:01 PM

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no clue

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ask in #docker

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 5:02 PM

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ok, thanks!

last dirge Aug 2, 2020, 5:02 PM

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hmm, looks like that channel got deleted

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#449717345808547842 then

tidal bronze Aug 2, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Anyone using Fireboad 2 with HA?

last dirge Aug 2, 2020, 5:22 PM

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nah, big baller

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we're not on your level

night zodiac Aug 2, 2020, 5:25 PM

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no but thanks for linking it. I will try to find a use for it

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I like the built-in graphing

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my father might like it for his plants

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for the water

tidal bronze Aug 2, 2020, 5:30 PM

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@last dirge 😂 DIY blower seems a stretch so looking for alternatives

night zodiac Aug 2, 2020, 5:30 PM

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meh, they'd all probably be the same temp

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I just realized what its use is for, lmao

last dirge Aug 2, 2020, 5:31 PM

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fireboard's cheaper than the BBQGuru now

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when the hell did that happen?

tidal bronze Aug 2, 2020, 5:32 PM

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They are all in the same price range. Fireboard comes with API but don't see fan control via API

static schooner Aug 2, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Dragon reentry happening now for those interested

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Splashdown!

wintry crater Aug 2, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Yey

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🥳

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2020 and they have 140p feed and poor comms

light trout Aug 2, 2020, 7:48 PM

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it's kinda fun how the quality from the vessel in space was better than the connection from the boat 😄

midnight adder Aug 2, 2020, 8:17 PM

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WHO IS MATHIAS ?!?
https://youtu.be/aApByQWqnV0?t=693
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YouTube

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brisk glen Aug 2, 2020, 8:40 PM

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swag powers my server

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https://github.com/linuxserver/docker-letsencrypt#linuxserverswag

GitHub

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Contribute to linuxserver/docker-letsencrypt development by creating an account on GitHub.

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hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 8:48 PM

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anyone able to help me with an electrical wiring question?

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trying to swap out my current switch for an HASP

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 8:54 PM

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@hushed mist ask the question, if someone knows they will answer

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 8:54 PM

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cool

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it's a new house, new wiring

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leviton paddle switch

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1 of 4 switches that all control the upstairs hallway lights

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the switch has 5 screw terminals, and there's running to each of them

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green, two gold, two black

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on one side of the switch is a black terminal and a gold terminal. a red wire is going into each of those

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on the other side of the switch is another black terminal and gold terminal, and a white wire is going into each of those

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coming out of the HASP is a white wire and a black wire

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 8:56 PM

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what country is this?

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 8:56 PM

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US

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so the question is, which wires do i connect together, and which wires do i connect to the HASP wires

brisk glen Aug 2, 2020, 8:57 PM

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take pictures and post to reddit, always works

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 8:57 PM

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black is power/load white is neutral (this assumes this switch is following US code)

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green almost always means ground

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black screw is load gold is neutral, altho usually it's silver on most switches

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but in the US black always means load/power

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red can be power too but that's for 3 way applications

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 8:58 PM

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got it

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so if i take out the switch, im left with two white wires, two black wires, and a white ground wire

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so im assuming i'll be "twisting together" pairs of wires

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and leaving the ground capped by itself

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so the question is, which wires do i connect together

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the white/red that are going into the two black terminals?

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and the white/red that are going into the two gold terminals?

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 9:00 PM

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a white ground wire?

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 9:00 PM

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there's a white wire that's going to the green terminal

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 9:00 PM

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interesting

deft pewter Aug 2, 2020, 9:00 PM

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If in doubt, use a multimeter...

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 9:00 PM

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you said 4 lights? did the hasp turn on 2 lights with a single button?

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 9:01 PM

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the HASP has never been installed

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there's one "set" of hallways lights

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and 4 different switches all do the same thing

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control those lights

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 9:01 PM

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oh

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 9:01 PM

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📎 image0.jpg 📎 image1.jpg 📎 image2.jpg

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 9:02 PM

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it's a 4way mess lol

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 9:02 PM

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two red wires -> black/gold ------- two white wires -> black/gold

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 9:02 PM

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in a 4way it's a little harder to tell because the electrician could have used anything

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red wire in a 3 way are the lead wires, they connect directly from switch to switch to ensure every switch regardless of postion has power

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white wire is neutral BUT as i said above

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in a 4way they could be lead wires

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using a meter to test is your best best

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 9:04 PM

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i have a meter

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what am i looking for

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and what do i need to be careful not to touch together so i don't blow myself or the meter up

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 9:04 PM

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you are putting a hasp in?

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 9:04 PM

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i want to!

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 9:05 PM

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@hushed mist you may wanna just call an electrician cause unless you know what your doing you are diving into a mess.. you are replacing one switch in a 4way config with a hasp

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thats a real cluster lol

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 9:05 PM

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😦

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ok

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 9:05 PM

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it would be diffrent if it wasn't a 3/4 way

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 9:05 PM

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why does the hasp not have a ground wire?

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 9:06 PM

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not everything requires a ground

brisk glen Aug 2, 2020, 9:06 PM

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and some times you buy the wrong hardware 😛

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I had to ask reddit before installing my ecobee

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only 4 wires and no control board

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that was a fun one

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 9:07 PM

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boo

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 9:07 PM

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in the end he just vlanned it

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 9:07 PM

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was so excited to install this today

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 9:07 PM

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you picked a heck of spot to put it

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lol

brisk glen Aug 2, 2020, 9:08 PM

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📎 5658_Timber_Creek_Place_Dr-_Mar_23_2020_at_9-05-54_PM_CDT.jpg

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what I rolled with

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 9:08 PM

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3 ways are easy once you learn how they work and cause you are dealing with only one red wire, 4 way is diffrent cause you havve multiples of the same color

brisk glen Aug 2, 2020, 9:09 PM

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what I had to deal with

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📎 5658_Timber_Creek_Place_Dr-_Mar_23_2020_at_5-46-14_PM_CDT.jpg

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reddit is awsome

deft pewter Aug 2, 2020, 9:17 PM

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You might want to ask in #add-ons-archived

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This is where all the non-HA chat happens.

glass spruce Aug 2, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Oh snap. I actually thought I was. Sorry

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 9:21 PM

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@forest edge thank you for the help!

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@forest edge sent the photos to a friend who's an electrician....he said there's no neutral in that box, so i can't put the hasp there 😦

steel crag Aug 2, 2020, 9:35 PM

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this is why I hate multiple hard wired switches controlling the same thing

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LOL

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I have a 2 way that I hate, gonna convert it to one way, and have two sonoff touch's control it

hushed mist Aug 2, 2020, 9:42 PM

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i wanna scream

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this was the perfect spot

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and my wife would kill me if i tried to hire an electrician now and come do wiring

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it was right outside my office. i was gonna have an mqtt to the hasp turn the screen red when i was in meetings

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it was so perfect

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damn electricity!!!!!!!!

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i dont get why i need a neutral. isn't electricity still flowing through this box?

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or is it because this box only has the travelers, whenever one of the other switches turns the light off the hasp would also turn off?

steel crag Aug 2, 2020, 9:57 PM

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you need a neutral because of the HASP needs a neutral to power itself

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there are switches that don't require a neutral present

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 10:00 PM

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no neutral? that dosen't right but whatevver lol

steel crag Aug 2, 2020, 10:03 PM

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neutral is prolly the one capped off

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@hushed mist you said you had 4 switches? controlling the same light?

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are they all 4 way or are 2 4 way and 2 3 way?

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 10:05 PM

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@brisk glen you had extra additions on the ac like humidifier etc?

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I like these old guy videos that explain how things work. this should give you an idea of what you are looking at https://youtu.be/Wknz-Beb268 @hushed mist

steel crag Aug 2, 2020, 10:09 PM

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https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F39%2Fab%2F36%2F39ab3603ac554caa1bf8370c83557962.gif&f=1&nofb=1

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this is a pretty good clear diagram too

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as you can see @hushed mist the neutral is capped but goes all the way to the light from the source

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this may not be the case in your boxes as they might have run neutral direct

forest edge Aug 2, 2020, 10:12 PM

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he wouldn't be able to use it

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the hasp is not designed to be a 4 way switch

steel crag Aug 2, 2020, 10:16 PM

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I know

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I was just trying to help him understand why he needs a neutral, and why it won't work

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😄

brisk glen Aug 2, 2020, 10:44 PM

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@forest edge sadly no

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This is why I always check my switches or just use smart bulbs

steel crag Aug 2, 2020, 10:46 PM

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if I had half a brain I would've gone with smart bulbs in a lot of places

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but alas.... that's highly dependent on my having more than 50% brain power

brisk glen Aug 2, 2020, 11:02 PM

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I chose Phillips hue over lifix due to most wifi gear can handle only 200 devices

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Adding 50 devices in lights alone will kill most people’s networks

steel crag Aug 2, 2020, 11:28 PM

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well it wouldn't break mine but would probably burn my house down to have 200 devices

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@brisk glen and that's just a limitation of /24 subnets really

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well not 200 but ~250

bitter zinc Aug 2, 2020, 11:54 PM

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Do you guys think the ada voice assistant is faster than an alexa?

steel crag Aug 2, 2020, 11:59 PM

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I've never used it, I only find Alexa to be slow on my watch tho

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everything else it's pretty snappy

bitter zinc Aug 3, 2020, 12:00 AM

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I have Alexas at my house and they just suck at home assistant commands

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It takes like 6 seconds to turn on a light from alexa while from my phone its within miliseconds

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 12:01 AM

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how is Alexa connected to HA?

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oh no mine takes 500ms maybe

bitter zinc Aug 3, 2020, 12:01 AM

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You can connect it to home assistant if you have the cloud plan

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 12:01 AM

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from I say "Alexa turn on front room lights" till time the lights go on

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is about 500ms

bitter zinc Aug 3, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Really?

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 12:02 AM

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@bitter zinc I have alexa connected but I do not use the cloud plan

bitter zinc Aug 3, 2020, 12:02 AM

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Yeah its more complicated though I just chose the cloud plan for reliability

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 12:02 AM

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we may be breaking the rules here talking shop in the lounge if we go beyond this just FYI

bitter zinc Aug 3, 2020, 12:02 AM

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Oh yeah well thanks for the tip

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 12:03 AM

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we can move to maybe #integrations-archived

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and continue 😄

bitter zinc Aug 3, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Ok lol

brisk glen Aug 3, 2020, 12:54 AM

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@steel crag no..... its a hardware limitation

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 12:57 AM

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what's a hardware limitation?

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:30 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20200803-102952_Chrome.jpg

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Found your latest handiwork @rare condor

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:30 AM

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lmfao

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why is there raw conductor showing out that clip

rare condor Aug 3, 2020, 2:31 AM

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:P I wasn't paying 600$ for a LVL 2 sparky to reconnect MCB

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:33 AM

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📎 tempFileForShare_20200803-103313.jpg

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Also this

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Australians are the worst

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:37 AM

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@hushed basalt at?

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LOL

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also what kind of telco gear you work on?

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Old life

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But field cabling

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:37 AM

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I recently quit being a telcotech

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:37 AM

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And we're the worst at housing, internet,

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:38 AM

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but started my own company again

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:38 AM

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I did a 2 year traineeship so saw a lot of stuff

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What sort of company

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:38 AM

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well I do basically what I did at my old job for more money and have less people screaming at me, I just do it less often because I don't have the customer base I did at my old job

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but being on an island you don't get to specialize so much, but I've been a programmer all my life

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I used to install Avaya (red), Ericsson, Cisco, and a host of other PBX's

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along with 'regular' IT

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Nice

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:41 AM

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and the company I worked for was also a WISP

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:41 AM

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I've always wanted to be an entrepreneur

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:41 AM

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do it

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:41 AM

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I'm getting into software engineering atm though

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:41 AM

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well if you can do it for someone else, you can do it for yourself

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Eventually, but I need to do it for someone else first

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:42 AM

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just need to find a niche and jam yourself into it

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LOL

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I did for a long time because I had a kid

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he's 14 now, and I have a lot more breathing room

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than when I did when he was born

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:42 AM

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The learning potential and connections drom working at a company are way too good to pass by

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Yeah I have a 1 year old

wet pilot Aug 3, 2020, 2:42 AM

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I would love to do something for my self but I'm a programmer not an idea man

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Im an ideas man who's trying to do programming

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:43 AM

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phnx what you need to do is hire yourself a good boss

wet pilot Aug 3, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Haha

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:43 AM

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most people don't get the concept

wet pilot Aug 3, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Gotta find the idea man

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:43 AM

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well

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Ideas are cheap

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:43 AM

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well

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Useful ideas with the right team, timing, execution, that's hard

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:44 AM

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badtelcotech is an idea man, you're a programmer, I'm an entrepreneur. So once I figure out how to make both of you pay me, we are all good.

wet pilot Aug 3, 2020, 2:45 AM

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I have a friend who wants to make a game. I hinted that he should look elsewhere because most of my exp is in python and I'd be too expensive to work on it full time and not knowing the language and systems

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:45 AM

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I have an amazing idea, I'm willing to give you 1% if you design, market, test, build, support it for me

wet pilot Aug 3, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Well, not hinted. I told him straight up

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:45 AM

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@hushed basalt and I will take half that for pointing you in the right direction

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welcome to capitalism 101

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:46 AM

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It's a web app that uses crypto blockchain to find where you parked your car with kubernetes containers

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It's also like amazon, but for books

wet pilot Aug 3, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Oh God

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So many buzzwords

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:47 AM

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LMFAO

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like amazon, but for books.... wait isn't that what ama.... nevermind

wet pilot Aug 3, 2020, 2:48 AM

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My company is attempting kube for their main product. It's not going well

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Doesn't help that they're starting with an ancient monolith that is still stuck on py2.7

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My team decided to use docker swarm instead

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:49 AM

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:3

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:49 AM

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your team sounds like they might get things done

wet pilot Aug 3, 2020, 2:49 AM

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Yup

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:49 AM

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sigh

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this is exactly why I quit

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:49 AM

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Kube is like blockchain,

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If you have to ask you probably don't need it

wet pilot Aug 3, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Hahaha

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:50 AM

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being expected to build a circus for elephants with flea circus budget

wet pilot Aug 3, 2020, 2:50 AM

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They're trying to force us to rewrite things to use kube

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:50 AM

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The company I'm trying to get into

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:50 AM

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force programmers, yeah that's a good idea

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:50 AM

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They have 500 employees and are a tech company

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:50 AM

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that's how you end up with comments in source saying "fuck this guy"

wet pilot Aug 3, 2020, 2:50 AM

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We gave them our compose file and said "you figure it out"

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:51 AM

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And they barely use kube

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They pretty much use ECS for everything

wet pilot Aug 3, 2020, 2:51 AM

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It didn't work but it felt good to have them tell is they couldn't

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Not wouldn't, couldn't

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:51 AM

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can't he said can't /me faints

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Are they on the cloud

wet pilot Aug 3, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Nope, that's the problem

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:52 AM

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doh

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Whelp

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So self managed kube as well

wet pilot Aug 3, 2020, 2:52 AM

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They're fixated on an appliance model which doesn't work here

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:52 AM

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runs

hushed basalt Aug 3, 2020, 2:52 AM

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They should just lift and shift to aws

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Then migrate to ecs and managed services

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There. Done. Now pay me my architect fee

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:53 AM

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P2V sounds good to me

wet pilot Aug 3, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Customers are used to appliance model 😭

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I'm just happy I don't work on that product

steel crag Aug 3, 2020, 2:53 AM

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shit I have IT guys who are used to appliance model

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saying virtual is a dirty word in this country

wet pilot Aug 3, 2020, 2:54 AM

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We'll just sit here laughing with one click builds and current python