the-water-cooler

[paper rose]

Hi guys.. what would be the best option to get TTS to a nest mini (google home mini) device?
i now have a cast plgun for nodered, but the voice is horrible. it isnt the same as the original voice google itself speaks with

[peak cloud]

@paper rose You're probably better off asking in the #integrations-archived channel.

[limpid wind]

what thread to talk about update issue?

[paper rose]

i would guess #330944238910963714

[limpid wind]

@deft pewter I only say that because end of the day people developing homeassistant are doing it to turn a profit, the more users means more subscriptions

[deft pewter]

HA doesn't have a subscription. 🤔

[limpid wind]

nabacasa. yes i know its not essentially needed as of today

[midnight adder]

that also wont change in the future, remember that it is a open source project. the subscription just to feeds the 4(?) full time developers

[fathom sparrow]

There's no plans to change it. Not to mention the whole software is open source. There will always be a way to circumvent nabucasa, it'll always be a pain to do. Just like it is now.

6 developers now

[midnight adder]

I think you could even get away to build an 'nabu casa 2' custom component hosted on AWS or whatever to get the same functionality.

[fathom sparrow]

Yes, you can, but then you have to pay for aws. Right now, without paying for aws, you can hack the entire system to get what you want. It just requires bits and pieces of configuration for specific integrations. It 100% depends on your skill level. Personally, I don't pay for nabucasa and I configured everything manually.

[midnight adder]

who are the 6
balllube, pvizeli and Frenk are the only ones I'm aware of

[deft pewter]

Even as a developer that works on AWS, I wouldn't fancy trying to build my own alternative. I know how much works goes into building a stable and secure cloud solution.

Ludeeus just joined.

[hushed basalt]

As someone who has spend 1000 hours this year working on homelab stuff

Having the source code isn't a turnkey solution

Having a managed service is almost always worth it

Unless it's oracle

[midnight adder]

nah. my point just was that you could do something like nabucasa for everyone and build a subscription service yourself. noone is forcing you to use nabucasa

[deft pewter]

But it would be dishonest to do so...

Why pay someone else for a clone instead of supporting the original?

[midnight adder]

also painful, just want to say that it would be possible

[fathom sparrow]

It's not frowned upon, no one has done it yet.

there are guides to set up just about everything to get past using nabucasa

[limpid wind]

nabacasa also does other things like the casting stuff, is that replicable without nabascasa?

[midnight adder]

thats public as far as i know

[hushed basalt]

What does nabucasa do anyways. To be honest I've never looked into it

Is it like an hosted ingress gateway for HA

[amber bramble]

@midnight adder balloob, pvizeli, frenck, bramkratgen, martinhjelmare, ludeeus, ben bangert

and cgtobi i think

[hushed basalt]

Oofph that's a lot of european

[midnight adder]

google integration for me, when you host one yourself you have to change the configuration one a month

[fathom sparrow]

nabucasa is basically a dns

[limpid wind]

nabacasa does a few things, secured connection to connect to your home ha, connection bewteen google and alexa, some casting features and this list will grow

[midnight adder]

dns/proxy

[limpid wind]

my point is, they are going to want to cater to the masses through ui

[midnight adder]

you have to 'pay' one or another way.
choose between time or money

[limpid wind]

true that

[deft pewter]

my point is, they are going to want to cater to the masses through ui
@limpid wind I'd be interested to hear the devs opinion, rather than your opinion of their opinion.

[limpid wind]

I tried doing it the google and alexa way but the developer sites for them have changed since the documents was created and I ain't smart enough to scower the websites and figuring out what google changes x setting wording too.

@limpid wind I'd be interested to hear the devs opinion, rather than your opinion of their opinion.
@deft pewter i'm all ears

[hushed basalt]

Google projects is rough

That whole console(s) is a mess

[fathom sparrow]

the alexa developer is spot on with the docs

[midnight adder]

I had a google home assistant integration running. not worth the hussle

[hushed basalt]

Feels like 10 different departments making their own version of GCP

Then mushing them all together
https://media.tenor.com/images/a13d7d61506b48f2dd3f4610ed0d84b5/tenor.gif

[limpid wind]

I only actually wanted 2 lights being exposed and ending up doing through node red with a easy integration there.

[hushed basalt]

So home assistant must dial nabu casa,

And sets up a long running connection?

I'm just curious how it actually works

[midnight adder]

my guess too - we could ask in #cloud-archived

[limpid wind]

They created a skill and whatever google calls there for intregration

[hushed basalt]

But then I'd have to move my fingers to the top of the phone to change channels

[limpid wind]

the diy method makes you create your own which takes lots of steps

[midnight adder]

you can click on the hashtag 😉

[hushed basalt]

But I'd be stuck there!

I'd have to #the-water-cooler

[midnight adder]

i ll help you

[hushed basalt]

#fridge

[midnight adder]

deaam

[hushed basalt]

Damn didn't work I'm still on the couch

[limpid wind]

This is what I used instead, good if you only want a few things done, no skill required and no cloud - https://flows.nodered.org/node/node-red-contrib-alexa-home-skill they have the same for google too.

[midnight adder]

https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2018/09/17/thinking-big/
oes not tell you very much

for alexa is haska around

love it - and not to much hussle to set up

[limpid wind]

android is open source, yet they make money from google play store.... sure you can get third party apps, but how many of the users do that?

am I wrong in that anaology towards HA?

[midnight adder]

Not in any way

[light trout]

It's kinda wrong, Android (google/alphabet) makes most of their money from ads.

The cut they take from apps in the appstore is not really comparable, since for those apps there are no free versions (usually) and its not "Android" that controlls it, it is the developers that uses that store to publish their products

[night zodiac]

Not a multimeter, what is the name of the device that let's you visualize frequency of electricity

I can't think of it

[light trout]

Where as for the "fetures" that NabuCasa give you all have DIY variants

[night zodiac]

It's got a bigger screen

[dusky plank]

oscilloscope?

[night zodiac]

You can see duty cycle visually and such

I believe so. Leet me check Amazon

Lol, thanks

[hushed basalt]

If you get a cathode ray one you can play with the deflectors

Make a low tech tv

[dusky plank]

is there a trial/free subscription to NC?

[midnight adder]

1 month is free

[dusky plank]

ok

[hushed basalt]

I had a CRO I got for free

I threw it away because it was just too big

[limpid wind]

Ludeeus, am I right in thinking that HA will want to grab some of them UI Smartthings users longterm?

[dusky plank]

CROs for everyone!

[light trout]

Have never seen ST so can't say

[limpid wind]

Basically be able to create complex autiomations by just clicking

[light trout]

You can do that now, with just typing 🤷‍♂️

[night zodiac]

I want to buy a oscilloscope for fun, lol. Options though

[limpid wind]

yes, but with clicking instead

[hushed basalt]

You can do automations in the UI

That's clicking isn't it

[light trout]

it cetainly is

[limpid wind]

you can do basic stuff in the UI, soon as you want to to something specific anyone here just tells you to do it in yaml

[hushed basalt]

I doubt smart things would beat what you can do in the UI

[light trout]

The UI editor for automations have not changed that much since the introduction of it, if you now look at what's possible with the localve editor, it's not a stretch to imagine more power in the Automation UI editor as well

[deft pewter]

There's no way that the more mainstream stuff offers the same flexibility that HA does. But with that flexibility comes the need to write things by hand (or use NodeRed).

[hushed basalt]

A certain, majority I would say, of the population will never use a text based automation editor,

I wouldn't say node red is easier than yaml though,

Node red isn't supposed to be an easier alternative. It's just different

I guess that's not what you were saying though

[deft pewter]

How many non-techie people really expect to be able to create complex automations without there being some learning involved?

There's a reason they pay other people to install alarm systems already.

[hushed basalt]

I think those people are getting squeezed out

In terms of people who provide those services

[limpid wind]

How many non-techie people really expect to be able to create complex automations without there being some learning involved?
@deft pewter and why can't HA fill that gap and make the UI automations easy for non techie people to create complex automations

[midnight adder]

get me a zigbee stick 4 to 40 sensors and a internet connection with an pi, I got you coverd

[deft pewter]

And round and round and round we go.

[hushed basalt]

Appliances and services from big behemoth data mining tech companies for the majority

And open source stuff for the enthusiasts

[forest edge]

How many non-techie people really expect to be able to create complex automations without there being some learning involved?
@deft pewter more than you know

[dusky plank]

well HA started off text based only, I think the progress is astonishing

[hushed basalt]

I would say in 20 years residential alarm companies may not exist as we know them

[midnight adder]

the project is like 4 years old?

[hushed basalt]

7

[midnight adder]

not to old

[hushed basalt]

I think I first used HA maybe 5 years ago

[limpid wind]

I don't see why anything you write in yaml can't eventually be done without mainly clicking through a wizard, just like you would in ST or homekit or Tuya automation for example

[dusky plank]

I think 4 years ago they started pushing to Github, now its on of the top10 projects on GH

[hushed basalt]

But I didn't come back to it until 12 months ago

[midnight adder]

and activly maintaind 🎉
thats actualy seldom

[deft pewter]

I don't see why anything you write in yaml can't eventually be done without mainly clicking through a wizard, just like you would in ST or homekit or Tuya automation for example
One word: templates

[hushed basalt]

Learning curve was really steep then and I wasn't a developer

[light trout]

@dusky plank first commit is from september 2013

[midnight adder]

you are now?

[hushed basalt]

In training :)

[forest edge]

in spirit

[dusky plank]

ok, congrats @light trout btw

[limpid wind]

templates... see this so much stuff I don't know yet as I have not read hours worth of docs 😄

[hushed basalt]

Back then I was running sonarr etc on a windows 7 proliant N40L

With drive bender 🤢

[night zodiac]

Now you run it on windows 10

[deft pewter]

So read up on templates. Learn jinja and state objects and all the other stuff that's necessary for anything but the most basic template... then tell me that everything can be done with point and click.

[hushed basalt]

Now I run 4 nodes and twice as many VMs and administer debian from scratch with ansible

[midnight adder]

uun nice

rh admin myself

[hushed basalt]

I set up ZFS again yesterday

[forest edge]

anything can be done with point and click but that requires someone wanting/willing to put the effort to do it lol

[night zodiac]

Have you seen fabric? It's like ansible but not. You script things with pythonl

[hushed basalt]

Decided to go just mirrors

[night zodiac]

I want to set some servers up with it for fun

[hushed basalt]

I have been told to learn saltstack

[limpid wind]

anything can be done with point and click but that requires someone wanting/willing to put the effort to do it lol
@forest edge effort on the users part or the developers?

[hushed basalt]

Although It's way down on my list atm,

[forest edge]

developers

[midnight adder]

when you do use saltstack firewall it propperly

[hushed basalt]

I have a talk in 2 weeks to prep for, aws cert in 4 weeks and then I want to try and smash out a MVP for an app project

[night zodiac]

Nice

I'll make sure to bother you with my aws questions

[hushed basalt]

I'm doing the dev associate

But it's really hard

Passing mark has gone up too

[night zodiac]

Lol, I usually just bang my head against their documentation until it works

[hushed basalt]

Probbaly need to be aiming at 90% now to comfortably pass

[night zodiac]

You can do it

[hushed basalt]

I hope so :D

It's $200/attempt

Plus time

[deft pewter]

Oof. My boss keeps asking me to do that exam too. I keep delaying it 😄

This one, right? https://aws.amazon.com/certification/certified-developer-associate/

[hushed basalt]

Everyone doing exams during covid has pushed the scale up

shakes fist at cloud

[rare condor]

I need to start working, been so lazy at the moment, finally start gyming at home as can't use gym closed as an excuse anymore! SHould probs study for some dev exams for cv during the day.

[limpid wind]

i'm working from home now, had no tickets for 5 hours

[rare condor]

Create one and doit yourself

You can tell the boss you worked on several tickets

[limpid wind]

been 4 months like this, got bored of doing that

[hushed basalt]

Turn on async writes for production and then kill the data servers

[limpid wind]

only month till back at work and workload pickup

[hushed basalt]

Async nfs stung me this week

Everything was writing to cache

[rare condor]

only another 5 weeks of lockdown in Victoria

[hushed basalt]

Man NFS is a bit shit i must say

[rare condor]

although my sister works in gov and told me thats bs they are doing 9 week plans

[hushed basalt]

What happens with your work

[rare condor]

I was working part time/casual while studying and all the government clients have gone quiet not wanting to do any major works while COVID is on. So I am semi/sort of employed at the moment

But not really, its difficult when your studying and work is a bit scarce anyway

[hushed basalt]

Come to WA

[rare condor]

I will get arrested

[hushed basalt]

You'll just need to sneak onto a train

[rare condor]

Ah yes the smart way, lol

How is your server going btw?

[hushed basalt]

One of my nodes crashed today I'm not sure why,

Might be my hodge podge of ram

But I also suspect my cheap netgear switch is crapping out under the stress I'm putting it under

[midnight adder]

while ansible.
is the node name i defined reachable inside a play?

all:
  hosts:
    gw.mgmt.loop: # << -- this 
      ansible_host: 10.25.2.1
    kvm1.mgmt.loop: # << -- or this 
      ansible_host: 10.25.2.2

[hushed basalt]

But I don't want to sink the money into getting a real switch until I have a house to fill it's ports

[rare condor]

Meh, I still use a mix of random tplink switches

horribly cheap but they work

I have 8 switches scattered throughout the house

I didn't have budget initially and now cbf running more cat5e /cat6 around

[hushed basalt]

I have decided to not bother with 10gbe for the worker nodes

Just for the file server when I can

Although I don't have any 4x slots left in that

I'd have to pull out the graphics card

[rare condor]

yeah, fair enough.

overkill

can it boot without gpu?

[hushed basalt]

I had intentions of using ceph

[rare condor]

Igpu?

[hushed basalt]

Yeah it has onboard

[rare condor]

ah nice

[hushed basalt]

I just had thoughts of using it as a gaming VDI

But I'll probably just rebuild a desktop

I only have a laptop atm

With no thunderbolt

I probably burn way too much time on this stuff though :D

I have learnt a lot but it's a tremendous time sink

[rare condor]

yeah, I literally feel like I'm a fulltime sysadmin for my own home server

[hushed basalt]

I have zero interest in managing on prem stuff professionally

But I've managed to learn a lot about linux

[rare condor]

I got to a stage where I realised it was time to stop and I did

[hushed basalt]

Which you still need for the cloud

[rare condor]

yeah its all helpful

to a degree

[hushed basalt]

Yeah I'm trying to simplify things where I can

Ansible was a massive time sink,

Plus the kubernetes control plane

[rare condor]

Is it worth learning in your opinion?

[hushed basalt]

Ansible?

[rare condor]

yeah

[hushed basalt]

It's popular,

It's not very good though

For home use or professionally?

[rare condor]

I'm not sure if I would directly use it but I keep hereing these buzzwords and I thought as a Engineering/Computer Science Student might help employability

[hushed basalt]

It's.. an abstraction on everything

[dusky plank]

helm, ansible and k8s is lit

[hushed basalt]

So instead of a shell script with apt get install blah blah blah

You use a yaml statement, apt: packages: blah blah blah state: present

But personally I feel the abstractions hurt more than they help a lot of the time

[rare condor]

why? I don't see that as been more useful than a bash script

[hushed basalt]

Plus I don't think yaml and jinja are a good fit for something like what ansible is trying to do

Well the idea is it's supposed to be indepodent

So in theory you can run the same playbook on the same 1000 machines 10 times and it shouldn't break anything

But I think the trend is more now to use disposable systems with pre-built images

And not manage any configuration at all after birth

But i don't have the industry knowledge to know if that's true

It's also the framework around it, with like roles and vars and dynamic inventory etc

But it has a lot of shortfalls

I hear things good things about saltstack but not entirely sure if that's true or not

[rare condor]

Thanks for the detailed explaination

[hushed basalt]

I would say if you don't want to do operations/admin stuff it probably won't be much use to you

[rare condor]

Yeah fair enough

[hushed basalt]

What areas are you interested in

[midnight adder]

https://www.cbronline.com/news/salt-bug

[rare condor]

tbh, I'm not 100% sure, after working as a dev in an office I realised I can't sit for 8hrs at a computer without fidgeting so I decided to focus more on the engineering side so I would be more active / on site

[hushed basalt]

I get you

[rare condor]

But that has its own set of downsides. Been away from home I ended up working late hours and feel pretty isolated in small towns in middle of nowhere in Aus.

[hushed basalt]

I'm not sure either

I've done that too

[rare condor]

Also I would end up eating terribly

[hushed basalt]

Working alone in remote towns away from home is triple decker shit

[rare condor]

yeah 100%

[hushed basalt]

Have you thought about manufacturing industries

What's manufacturing like in Australia :D

[rare condor]

My friend is in CNC field. Industry is not in good shape

Esp. in South East Aus

better in WA NT and QLD

[hushed basalt]

Just from covid or in general?

[rare condor]

in general

Little demand

Once Automotive shut shop there was oversupply

many places now target niche jobs but its limited

[hushed basalt]

Have you read So Good They Can't Ignore You

One of the main premises are, find out what skills are rare and valuable in your field

Then you work your way into them and become very valuable and you can leverage your own autonomy out of that

[rare condor]

yeah specialisation is everything in PLC world, been an allrounder is pretty useless

[hushed basalt]

I feel that,

[rare condor]

Anyway I have had a long day, going to try get some sleep for once early.

[hushed basalt]

Whats your guess as to emerging stuff on the horizon in that field

It's my bed time too

[rare condor]

IoT

[hushed basalt]

10pm

[rare condor]

12:10am

I should aim for 10pm

better than 5-6am anyway

[hushed basalt]

Field iot or cloud

[amber shard]

Almost my bedtime as well but I just realized that my microwave is kaput 😔

Which is an excuse to look for some kind of microwave integration with HA in a new unit? Hmm

[hushed basalt]

"kaput"

[rare condor]

Feild IoT, whole industry is dumb af, I mean meter readers, manual valves, manual checking of clogged drains and misaligned gas valves

[hushed basalt]

I'm sure you certainly didn't help it along it's way

[amber shard]

haha

It has no power, known good outlet

[hushed basalt]

We'll carry this convo on tomorrow Haz, night man

[amber shard]

It's like 15 years old

Time to replace

[rare condor]

cheers Good night mate

[hushed basalt]

it was unplugged the whole time

I fixed my tv once

$3 for a pack of capacitors

Still works 8 years later

I wish I didn't fix it though haha

[amber shard]

I'm not sure how much safer tinkering around in the power guts of a microwave is rather than a large CRT haha

[hushed basalt]

Nope nope nope

This was a 2006 samsung LCD though

But still 400v caps

Probably shouldn't have done it

[amber shard]

Because then you didn't have an excuse to get a new one?

[hushed basalt]

But yeah anyone who isn't an electrical engineer or repairer shouldn't touch a microwave

Exactly taps forehead

I wouldn't even let an average electrician open my microwave

[amber shard]

I'm firmly in the novice with a soldering iron camp, knows just enough to get myself into trouble (or dead)

[hushed basalt]

I don't trust the average electrician though

A lot of cavalier cowboys

Tradesmen as a whole, there's so many bad ones

I probably get a bias since I'm renting and don't actually get to pick the good ones

Poor communication, poor workmanship, never shows up,

[night zodiac]

I need to add some conditions to my motion sensors. The girlfriend didn't like google saying "someone is outside" right before bed

[wild grove]

better than "someone is inside"

[shy comet]

yea i disable most night time tts when the alarm is in armed night

dont need to be woken up when the dryer is done 😛

[night zodiac]

yeah, I need to make a reusable boolean thing based off if the office and bedroom lights are on

I use that condition already for my nightlight

it'd be useful for the rest of things as well

[amber bramble]

i really need to build some bed sensors

[wet pilot]

Read as "bad" sensors for a sec there. Was thinking "heh you can buy those anywhere"

[amber bramble]

hahaha

ive got plenty of those in the zwave multisensor variety

[low harness]

Ah! Finally found it! Relating to the conversation about *ucking jeeps earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLaMCKvDQyA

[crimson coral]

Hi 🙂 I'm working on my project, mostly doing research now and I can't explain why but i'm super annoyed by the fact that there's so much wifi device, that they are cheaper, and we have protocols dedicated to IoT (Z-wave, Zigbee to name the most common once) and it looks like wifi is overall more easy to use (because of compatibility with devices & hubs/usb stick and what not)

This is just making my experience as a beginner that over plan stuff .... stressful ? xD

[wild grove]

i dont disagree with you, wifi is very ubiquitous but try to avoid it for my devices.

its provides a very common transport that most people already have

[hushed basalt]

The biggest fundamental disadvantage of wifi I find is power consumption

[brazen fable]

And now I'm down to 5 wifi SSIDs

That took a while.

[last dirge]

SSIDEEZ NUTS

[brazen fable]

I@crimson coral another problem with wifi is over saturation of the 2.4ghz band. Granted zigbee suffers the same to an extent but it's something to consider vs zwave

[crimson coral]

yeahh

The only con I have with Z-Wave is that my fiancée & I - not living on the same continent - are in the process of living together and buying z-wave stuff right now means that when I move, my devices will be useless 😂

unless there's device when you can actually pick a frequency... didn't think that could exist... does it? 😄

[thick dragon]

That's one of the reasons that Z-Wave will ultimately die. Most tech that is region-specific ends up fracturing the device manufacturers too much.

[hearty depot]

https://youtu.be/53me-ICi_f8

Good asian

[hollow tendon]

Anyone know if a good discord or subreddit to ask about electrical components? I have an esp based build for my hvac and the wire that goes to my boiler keeps killing relays. I think I know why it happens but don't know what type of component is appropriate to avoid it in the future

[midnight adder]

@hollow tendon i've seen questions like that https://www.reddit.com/r/ElectricalEngineering/ quite often

[hollow tendon]

I'll check it out. Thanks

[torpid quest]

@hollow tendon also https://www.reddit.com/r/AskElectronics/

[night zodiac]

It fits, lol

[hushed basalt]

But what is it

[night zodiac]

Yep. I made it snartish

Yeah, it has tasmota

You can see be play in the vide

I was able to power the chip off of the normal power supply

Can't believe it all fits

[midnight adder]

it might be a stupid question but do you guys all use windows?

[torpid quest]

I do, but not for Home Assistant

[midnight adder]

u need to build your own kernel

[torpid quest]

who has the time

[night zodiac]

I probably should have dimmed the lights

[tidal bronze]

Pink again huh 🤔

[night zodiac]

Lol, she has pink. I have purple

pink hater

[torpid quest]

I just got 5x D1 Minis and 5x BME280 sensors but I haven't had a chance to test them out yet

temp/humidity/pressure

Yeah depends on where you get them. I like the SHT31-D for accurate temp/humidity

but excited to see how the BME280s do

Then yeah

that's where I got mine

took over 2 months but just got here this week

yep

also got a xiaomi IR blaster from there that I need to figure out how to get working

[torpid quest]

soundbar and TV yeah

[torpid quest]

Haven't really had time to play with that yet. Been going overboard with the Wyze sense door sensors lately.

Those are cheap and work great for me with the wyzesense custom integration

Yeah I use one to keep my hue lights on in my office while I'm working and it works great. Also they are tiny.

It's pretty sensitive

You could always set overrides while you sleep or something so that it doesn't trigger if you don't want it to

It has a 26° range I think

but it detects from a good distance

sorry 120

I have mine about 15-20 feet away from my door and as soon as I walk in it detects motion.

[night zodiac]

I use them as well for a night light. works well

wyze motion sensors

very cheap

there is an integration for 'er

you have to add

[torpid quest]

You have to install wyzesense integration

but it's great

you call a service to scan for devices and put a pin in the reset hole and it shows up in home assistant

hoping someone will find a way to hack some custom firmware on their new outdoor camera that's coming out

[dense jungle]

Wonder if it will have rtsp

I have my cam in home assistant and it works great with the generic camera integration

I don’t know why others dont like it

What is the lowest specs computer that you have run home assistant on? Other than raspberry pi

[torpid quest]

I have a wyze cam with dafang hacks running through blue iris into home assistant. It was a painful setup process to get RTSP to be reliable but in the end it's working okay.
Not sure if the new one will have RTSP since it seems to only capture motion (battery operated).

[thick dragon]

Yeah, there will be no RTSP. It's also a pretty poor solution for actual security. Short 12 second captures are pretty useless in the grand scheme of things.

I was excited for it until I realised that was the sacrifice of going to battery. Just gonna get some waterproof housings for the normal Wyze camera instead.

[torpid quest]

Yeah...I bought one so we'll see. I don't have high expectations for it. I really don't think it will hold up to the climate anyway.

But it will be fun to play around with

I do like the idea of no wires. Can put it in some unique places

[sleek aurora]

I'm trying to install node, but not having much luck. I'm hoping someone can assist?

[wet pilot]

#node-red-archived ?

[sleek aurora]

No, just 'node' as in node.js I am installing it so I can use npm to install something else if that makes sense.

[wet pilot]

On your HA host? How did you install?

[sleek aurora]

Yes on my HA host. I followed some guides which suggested to download the package and unpack it.

[wet pilot]

How did you install ha?

[sleek aurora]

On a raspberry pi 4

[wet pilot]

That's where, I'm asking how

[sleek aurora]

got it 🙂

I used the HA image on an SD card

[wet pilot]

Ok, the answer then is "you don't"

[sleek aurora]

I can ssh into HA and that's how I have been trying to get node installed

[wet pilot]

You're sshing into a sub container

No changes will persist

[sleek aurora]

so whatever I have been doing won't work then?

[wet pilot]

Correct.

See: "you don't"

[sleek aurora]

OK. I figured I had installed HA just like raspbian etc

[wet pilot]

Nope. If you installed via the image it is a very limited environment

It's an appliance at that point

[sleek aurora]

Lightbulb moment 🙂

It's probably worth re-installing and starting over I guess.

[night zodiac]

what were you going to use node for?

[sleek aurora]

I am trying to get miio installed which is used to control my Roborock vacuum

In order to do that, I need to have npm installed

[thick dragon]

What...?

No you don't.

[sleek aurora]

There's another way?

[thick dragon]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/vacuum.xiaomi_miio/

Built-in integration for it.

You just need to get the access token, which can be achieved a number of different ways.

[sleek aurora]

I was following the details on that page . . . that's what led me down the path of installing node

I have the token 🙂

I want to use room numbers

[thick dragon]

Then just set the damn thing up in configuration.yaml and be done with it 😛

[sleek aurora]

I think to be able to use room numbers I need to have miio installed?

[thick dragon]

You can just do that on a linux live boot.

You only need to do that once.

[sleek aurora]

Sorry, I only need to do what once?

[thick dragon]

Find the room numbers.

All it does is retrieve the valid room numbers.

[sleek aurora]

I used another pi to get those

[thick dragon]

You can also just try blindly sending room numbers to it.

And see what happens.

[sleek aurora]

OK cool

I have miio installed on another pi and I worked out the room numbers that way

[thick dragon]

If you already have the numbers, you just follow the instructions here: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/vacuum.xiaomi_miio/#example-on-how-to-clean-a-specific-room

[sleek aurora]

Fantastic. So I don't need to install miio or anything else on my HA host to do that?

[thick dragon]

Why ask, when you can just try and confirm? Also, read the docs 🙂

[sleek aurora]

Will do

Thank you

[thick dragon]

No worries. I should get around to setting up rooms on mine. Though it only takes 16 minutes to do the whole house, so not really necessary 😛

[sleek aurora]

It's very cool what can be done

[thick dragon]

My vacuum automatically starts when I leave home if it's been over 46 hours since it last cleaned. Then my Google Homes remind me when I get home if the dust bin needs emptying 🙂

[sleek aurora]

🙂 Amazing

[rare condor]

Is it easy to step on the vaccum?

always wondered that about robot vacs, like I reckon I would kick them all the time.

[thick dragon]

It would be, but the idea is to not be there 😛

[rare condor]

fair point a bit hard at the moment 😛

[thick dragon]

I've been back at work for months 😉

Much to the dismay of my dog.

[hushed basalt]

New vacuum cleaner

[rare condor]

THE DREAME?

the fake xiaomi one?

like dyson clone

[thick dragon]

If it ain't robotic, I don't want it 😛

[sleek aurora]

I managed to create a script that worked ! It's cleaning the room I specified 🙂

[hushed basalt]

I have a neato robot too

Although it's showing it's age

And it's nimh based so batteries suck

[rare condor]

I don't know what I did wrong but all my ads on facebook are for either drugs or drug rehab. Anyone know how fb algo works and why these ads are popping up?

[hushed basalt]

I don't think the engineers at FB even know how their algo works

[rare condor]

true, but like it looks bad when I am scrolling through feed and I see "DO YOU WANT *D *A DELIVERED TO YOUR DOOR?" I keep reporting them as spam and they keep appearing.

[wet pilot]

Either that or those are the only ad buyers left

[thick dragon]

@rare condor: Adblocker, or Adguard set up recently? Incognito mode? Could be getting served generic ads.

[rare condor]

Unblock Origin, and PiHole on Android Phones

I thought FB ads couldn't be blocked on a DNS level though

[thick dragon]

The ads themselves can't, but the cookies which track your actual interests can.

[hushed basalt]

Imagine a world without advertising cookies : 🍪

[thick dragon]

So I believe the only profile they have on you, is your direct interests on FB. In other words, stop being a druggo on FB 😛

I used to run Adguard, but I have since stopped. I kinda like getting heaps of super relevant suggestions, from search results to Google news, to actual advertised products. Have found some real gems on Kickstarter thanks to personalised advertising.

[young sigil]

You can run this browser addon to remove all facebook adds: https://www.fbpurity.com/

[rare condor]

FF only :/ I think I made the connection, I have liked a few nightclub pages to get cheaper entry and I reckon it associates interests of other users who like same pages, maybe? just guessing here.

[thick dragon]

Yep, most likely the case.

I have a mate who worked in marketing that got targeted with advertising for the Marijuana Party of Australia. He opened up the "why did I receive this ad" and they'd specifically bought ad space based on "people who like the KFC brand".

Marketers be trippin', yo!

[young sigil]

What about Facebook / Settings / Adds / Hide add topics?

I turned it all off some time ago so I don't get targeted adds. Or I wouldn't if I wasn't using FPB.

[thick dragon]

Fuck this noise, I'm heading home. Not being remotely productive right now 😛

[rare condor]

I forgot some people were allowed out to work 😥

[hushed basalt]

Maybe you can be productive remotely @thick dragon

[deft pewter]

Unfortunately, I can work from home.

Been nagging my boss for a while before this whole Rona business. Not how I would've liked to get home working, but it'll do.

[hushed basalt]

Downloading 250GB today

[deft pewter]

That'd take me a week...

[hushed basalt]

80mbps here

[deft pewter]

36mbps here on a good day. More like 20 most of the time 😢

There've been crews installing cable around my estate this past month. Hoping to sign up to 300mbps or more when they switch on the new network.

[hushed basalt]

Giving my new raid a burn in

[midnight adder]

At least your not using CenturyLink I heard they still use RJ11

[deft pewter]

Nothing wrong with copper wire... right?

[midnight adder]

You mean coaxial?

[deft pewter]

Just copper in general. There's a reason they're giving it up in favour of optical.

Coax isn't awful. I think it's what Virgin Media are currently laying around here. Old school hardware but their systems still allow crazy speeds.

[midnight adder]

dont RJ45 cables still use copper?

[deft pewter]

I think they started doing 1Gbps in parts of the UK over coax.

Yeah, RJ45 will have copper wires. But for the short distances they cover, you don't get the signal attenuation that makes a full copper broadband network a bad thing.

I think it all comes down to SNR and it's hard to boost it like you can with fibre.

[midnight adder]

Idk whare i live they do 2Gbps https://viewqwest.com/internet/2gbps

[deft pewter]

Over copper? 😐

[midnight adder]

No, over fiber. Here we only use copper for tv's.

[deft pewter]

How fast is too fast though? There's gotta be a point where even gamers or torrent users don't get any additional benefit from the extra speed.

Even if I could sign up for 1Gbps+, I think I'd still settle for 300-500Mbps if it saves money.

[midnight adder]

Its more about the time it takes to send data to the server than how much bandwith you can use.

[deft pewter]

You mean latency? There's only so low that can go too.

[midnight adder]

😦 everything i can get for money .. in the capital..

[strange vapor]

There's a building around 200m from my place that's just after getting 4 10Gb connections with redundancy in paths and providers. I know the principle Network engineer there, much talk nice to him 😄

[deft pewter]

I think I used to get around 12-16ms when I was with Virgin at an old address. I get 20 something now on a crappy copper line.

[midnight adder]

In my country everyone lives in the capital

[strange vapor]

(Backup DC with silly amounts of storage nodes, but not a lot of compute power)

[deft pewter]

That 200m is so expensive though. It you look at the costs of installation, even short distances get silly.

It's easy as a consumer to complain about delays in getting the latest and greatest speeds... but we take for granted the efforts involved.

[strange vapor]

@deft pewter I know 😦

[midnight adder]

Vatican or lichtenstein?

You mean 200mb?

[deft pewter]

I did have a look at what it would cost to pay BT to install FTTP/FTTH but it would've been thousands.

[strange vapor]

I worked with a company building a DC in Carlow, Ireland a while back. Getting redundant connectivity in was a major pain. Even just dealing with the local planning authorities so we could gain access to pre-existing ducting under a nearby road was a nightmare.

[deft pewter]

Seems like some authorities must be better than others. Once Virgin finish installing here, there's at least one other firm going round after to install theirs.

Only reason they're not doing it at the same time is Covid.

[midnight adder]

I dont think most companys whare I live do less than 1Gbps.

[deft pewter]

Which country, Josh?

[midnight adder]

Singapore

[deft pewter]

Ah. More advanced than us Brits then 😄

[midnight adder]

Singapore's BT is starhub they used to do hidden fees and they admited it.

[strange vapor]

Can't get DSL down at my parents, have to use a Wireless connection. A neighbour works with Eir who're responsible for that copper infrastructure. The Poles and Line that come off the main line as a spur down to my Parent's house were put in in 1948 back when there was still operators sitting at exchanges, my grandmother often being the local operator 😄

Line was never upgraded as it was good enough for voice!

[midnight adder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO4yf1pNCFg lol

The worst thing about the fibber is this I guess its not real 1Gbps

`2. My speedtest isn't going beyond 1Gbps, is this normal?

Yes – Each wired connection on the integrated modem-router, and on the third party router, cannot go beyond 1Gbps. However, the combined total bandwidth of all devices in your household is 2Gbps.`

[hushed basalt]

@strange vapor the actual physical work involved over that distance isn't very much

Its 99% beauracy

In particular for a point to point,

[deft pewter]

@midnight adder That's normal. I don't think many consumers will have anything better than 1Gbps routers/switches in their homes.

[midnight adder]

@deft pewter In SG some people do as they have enterprise setups.

Idk why they need it but some people do

I'm on 50mbps and happy with it, I guess it helps I don't really watch movies. latency would piss me off more than speed.

[deft pewter]

Then they'll get more than 1Gbps per ethernet cable 🤷‍♂️

That FAQ is for the people that wonder why their budget equipment can't do enterprise speeds.

ras - I have a little slower than you and it's painful at times. Both myself and my wife are working from home at the moment, so if we're both in an online meeting at the same time, it struggles.

We both stream a lot too (when we're not working, obviously).

[dusky plank]

i have 200 ftth with 1-2ms for 30€ / month
its delicious! but you need to have the line already in your house, the same speed with copper would be 150€ in my location

[midnight adder]

yes I guess if you need video bandwidth it's a different story. I'm also a loner, no one to share the connection with 🙂 I do provide open wifi network for randoms but not many people nowadays are interested anyway. they all have 4g in their pocket etc.

@deft pewter The motem doesnt support it

@midnight adder That's normal. I don't think many consumers will have anything better than 1Gbps routers/switches in their homes.
@deft pewter I guess it depends on country, but most of the ISP equipment at least here is so poor that "buy and own a decent router" is not a bad suggestion.

[hushed basalt]

I remember my WRT54GL linksys router

[deft pewter]

Yeah, I replaced my ISP-supplied router... but I'd guess the majority of people either don't know that's possible or don't know what to do to set up the new one.

[hushed basalt]

Flashed with tomato

[deft pewter]

Most people talking here are pretty tech-savvy. Most people in general aren't.

[midnight adder]

if you want it to be faster get SFP+ to fiber

[hushed basalt]

And I had some kickass australian made PtP 802.11g bridges

It was extremely solid

[midnight adder]

ISP's don't really like it either, they want everythiong to be standardized and control the whoel botnet if things go wrong. I guess if you suggest a peer to buy a new router you're responsible when things don't work either 🙂

you're the one getting calls

[hushed basalt]

I have to use my isp supplied router in bridge mode as a modem

Some people are worse off and have to use the isp modem/router and can't bridge it

[midnight adder]

same here, at least I can bridge it

[hushed basalt]

I wish I had FTTP

Then I could never use a modem ever again

It's literally the only thing in my rack that needs a plug pack too

And it's not even 12v

I think it's like 19v

[midnight adder]

where do you live? here FTTP is standard when you pay for high speeds.

[hushed basalt]

Australia

[midnight adder]

I see, well that's very... different world

[hushed basalt]

The labor party was rolling out FTTP country wide

[midnight adder]

Isnt fiber to the house better?

[hushed basalt]

Then the conservatives got in and changed it to vdsl and cable

[midnight adder]

don't you live there in very specific dense areas? shouldn't be too hard to cover major cities, understandable every village can't enjoy the luxury but

[hushed basalt]

The majority of our population lives in standard suburban densities or higher

Probably no different to any canadian big city etc

And everyone had copper run to the premises when telephone networks were originally rolled out

And population densities have gone up 2-3x since then

There's zero excuse why it shouldn't be done

Now you have a mix of FTTP people with 1gbit and the next street over could be 25mb and drops out when it rains

[midnight adder]

don't know about australia, but pretty sure quite a lot of politicians/countries bet on 5G replacing consumer connections

Most of my country has fiber in

[strange vapor]

@hushed basalt Oh that I've learned the hard way. There was one particular line we had to put in which was a spur off a cable running next to the rail track. We had to:

• Organise with Irish Rail for when a work crew could go in to do the splice
• Organise with the owner of 50m of private property we had to run a duct under
• Get permissions to open the duct on the main road to put the cable in from two different local authorities.

All the redtape took six months, the actual work took four hours as the contractors had ALL the nice gear to do it quickly!

[midnight adder]

how close is "next to rail track"

[strange vapor]

A really cool project I came across recently is The B4rn over in the UK. They're deploying a fairly large Rural ISP in the North of England.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Xm_-gt6mw

@midnight adder Within 2m. BT in Ireland negotiated access to Irish Rail tracks years ago to lay fibre. So, it's not an uncommon task to have to splice that cable, but there's a lot of red tape around it.

[rare condor]

YAY! Super happy got contract job on enjoyable work 😄

Been doing nothing but work out last few days, glad to finally get some reason work 🙂

[junior forge]

Nice @rare condor Congratulations!

[rare condor]

Thanks

[midnight adder]

thats wrong

[hushed basalt]

How is it wrong?

[clear mirage]

So I get to work today and my office has lock and deadbolt on it. I never lock the deadbolt, but apparently the cleaning service that comes on thursdays has a key for both locks and locked the deadbolt, which really serves no purpose. after a few minutes of looking around the office finally found the key for the deadbolt. And the deadbolt has now since been removed. Annoying way to start a friday\

[wild grove]

that could have been a 3day weekend

[clear mirage]

@wild grove your right about that. Could have been.

[rare condor]

@clear mirage For future reference, always have thermite handy, its great when you get locked out of home or need to break into a building for corporate espionage 👍

[clear mirage]

@rare condor lol that works too

[midnight adder]

@hushed basalt

not? 😄

[rare condor]

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looks good to me

[hushed basalt]

Yeah it's perfectly valid yaml

[fathom steeple]

quick question why my card is so big ? https://gyazo.com/ab4f504856142a01fc328133292daab5

[hushed basalt]

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[dusky plank]

i see aspect_ratio

[hushed basalt]

The same

[fathom steeple]

https://gyazo.com/3f575a353f569bc80598023ff9e86ee9 yes but how i can make a square

[deft pewter]

Ask in the proper channel: #frontend-archived

And stop cross-posting.

[fathom steeple]

sorry

ok

[austere minnow]

I dare a question: is it possible that this server has too many channels?

sry for asking unpopular stuff

[amber shard]

I've kind of wondered the same thing, often a question I have touches multiple aspects.. like if I'm trying to fix the YAML for something like light groups, that involves physical devices.. and the integrations thereof..

A bit late to the joke but I got busy

[deft pewter]

Sure, there's the downside of sometimes having to ask parts of your problem in different channels. That usually just means you didn't already break your problem down into small enough pieces already.

But on the other hand, can you imagine if things weren't broken out into channels? There'd just be way too much activity and you'd never be heard through the noise.

[austere minnow]

Just an opinion: There would not be too much activity (unless you go down to one channel 😉 ) There are other servers with similar topics and activity having not half the channels. I like the structure. But I see the simple undeniable fact that there are dozens of "wrong channel" posts each single day. That does mean that people get confused

[deft pewter]

Things are already grouped logically though. Automations/scenes/scripts all in one place. All add-ons in another.

If you were going to merge any, which would it be?

[austere minnow]

doesn't seem to be logical for many 😉 (of course I get it, as i can learn from teachers like mono 😉 )

and: you would even have less activity, as there would be only half the posts...

...as there are no "wrong channel" posts any longer 😉

[deft pewter]

I think it's logical once you know how the different parts of HA work. People ask about integrations in add-ons because they haven't learned the difference yet, not because it's confusing.

Except it wouldn't be half the posts. Instead of two conversations taking place in two places, you have two in one place. It's unnecessary noise.

I don't know about you but I hate loud bars. Can't stand having to shout above the noise to be heard... 😉

[austere minnow]

Another point: I am here because I also want to offer my modest help (where I can). Currently I have to monitor a lot of channels to do that

[deft pewter]

I just mute the ones I have no interest (or no knowledge) in. Including this channel, I only have 11 channels visible.

[austere minnow]

k

Just read this: "Please correct me if this if the wrong place," -> people already appologise upfront 😄 now thats what I call tough training and teaching 😄

[deft pewter]

At least they acknowledge that they're not sure. It's better than some of the repeat offenders.

[frank flare]

hi...is there a room here to ask about node-red?

[light trout]

#node-red-archived maybe?

[frank flare]

@light trout I went through the room list 3x and missed it 😄

thanks

[austere minnow]

No I did not pay mtm to write that

[light trout]

With so many channel that is not suprising 😄

[amber shard]

lol

[pallid dagger]

😂

[dusky plank]

https://i.imgur.com/1qc6qIX.jpg

[junior forge]

That is the worst @dusky plank 😂

[pallid dagger]

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[wild grove]

groan

should do a 3rd yaml one that is Mrk Yml

[night zodiac]

you have no idea.

that is actually my life.

We use a CMS that takes JSON as input and gives me XML back which is a layer on top of some other bullshit in the bg I can't see

the XML gives me "errors" which are stack traces sometimes, sometimes I can get an http code

the actual response NEVER gives me http codes

so I have to hope the XML has them maybe

we are getting rid of it soon, so happy

[verbal frigate]

I have Hass Os and Ubuntu VPS. How to make VPN tunnel and access HA?

Do you know some guides?

[manic galleon]

Going back to the Too many channels thing. If we had less channels there would be less support. We really rely on users for support and of course our awesome mods. But if there was one channel for all HA support and I specialize in frontend support then there less of a chance that I help someone. Muting the channels you dont want to hear is so helpful for people who want to help

So many questions. One channel/less channels. Equals no support. Questions already get lost in some channels

[verbal frigate]

But I don't know to what channel send it

[manic galleon]

Read the descriptions

But thats also what this lounge is good for. Questions like hey where can I find support for X.

But reading descriptions and channels names is a good start. Most people dont do that 😉

[verbal frigate]

Lool

[night zodiac]

I usually start by trying to find someone else asking the same thing as me in the chat history 😛

I usually don't even have to ask anyone

[manic galleon]

True. IF PEOPLE SEARCHED HOLY

Most questions I bet have been answer so many times

I get a lot of people don't use discord. But searching is sooooo easy

Search a few keywords and I bet you find so many posts

[night zodiac]

Yeah, the things I have searched on this discord will have 5 different people within the last two days

[manic galleon]

No one ever reads this message https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/331130181102206976/471041408371785738

[night zodiac]

I've bugged a few people but I usually sort it as soon as I ask someone

I'll bang my head for 40 minutes, as the question, walk away and figure it out.

ask*

[manic galleon]

All the time

[night zodiac]

I need to think of something to use these ESP8266s for

[deft pewter]

ESP's, huh? Do you have a multicoloured floating cloud yet?

[manic galleon]

I think I am about to go for the Garage door opener and buy some ESPs

[night zodiac]

despite me having a lot of Hue lights and keeping them everything but white, I'm not huge into RGB but it might be fun.

I don't really want a cotton cloud though, lol

[shy comet]

i dig RGB lights at night time

pick a nice color and you wont have a bright light when you walk by

helps out with ambiance too

[night zodiac]

it actually feels weird when we have a room set to white

[shy comet]

haha

[night zodiac]

https://share.busheezy.dev/1WB6z4.png

[midnight adder]

which dark theme is that if it's public

[night zodiac]

https://github.com/aFFekopp/noctis

[tidal bronze]

@green inlet few more flavors, grab a few mango Chile for the trip 😜

[night zodiac]

oh, it's a quad day

[tidal bronze]

1 short of quad🤔

[night zodiac]

haha 😛

[shy comet]

i had no idea how much mode: parallel i needed in my life 😛

[tidal bronze]

It's noon and been working 9 hours. Going to be a long Friday

[shy comet]

damn dude

[undone aspen]

Heh, so my Energizer battery for my Kwikset Convert finally gave me alerts of it being nearly drained last night, so FINALLY, I get to start using the Tenevolt rechargable lithium ion batteries, to see if they have similar longevity as an alkaline.

[tidal bronze]

panasonic eneloop pro would be it.

[undone aspen]

Those are still NIMH, and lower voltage.

Sometime I'll try it likely, though, if the Tenevolt doesn't have a long life.

[tidal bronze]

Try it if you get a chance for locks. 😜

[undone aspen]

Oh, I'll get a chance. 🙂

I have a lot of Eneloop batteries as it is. 🙂

Just not pros

The pro's are freaking expensive.

[wintry crater]

i use fujitsu hr3utc

there are hr3utcex similar to eneloop pro but cheaper

[hushed basalt]

I suspect ikea nimhs are rebadged eneloop pros

I wouldn't use eneloop pros if you don't need them though. They have far far far less cycle life

2000:500 irrc

[vast lily]

omg its bday and xmas in 1!!! https://wingstuff.com/blog_detail/gold-wing-software-update-available-includes-android-auto-more?utm_source=streamsend&utm_medium=email&utm_content=31192841&utm_campaign=Android Auto for Gold Wing is here!

android auto on my goldwing!!!

they released the bike in 2018 with only apple car play and honda blamed google saying they wouldnt work with them to get a motorcycle interface for android auto

and google blamed honda saying they demanded they come up with it last minute

so i had given up all hope. then this drops, so awesome.

its the worst infotainment system on any vehicle ever, which is ridiculous for a $30k motorcycle

but apple car play was aawesome so i actually went out and bought a used iphone just to use while on the bike

any other goldwing owners?

[pure knot]

my hass will not start, been sitting here for 30 minutes

I have been through this once already and it eventually timed out and carried on

how can I make it time out?

https://hastebin.com/etolinonej.coffeescript I hate this before, so I reoved the metno integration

now its worse. 😦

[vast lily]

war: this is a lounge channel for general chat, you want to ask that in one of the support channels to get a response

[pure knot]

well thats it righ,t hte channels are weridly categorised.. wehre do I go with this?

[vast lily]

probably #integrations-archived because it seems that integration is cauisng the issue

or go to one of the installation method channels based on your install method

[left granite]

Anyone know how to find the carrier for an AliExpress order? It says it’s in the destination country (US) and has been handed off to the last-mile carrier which I assume would be USPS, but they don’t have any record of either of the tracking numbers I can find on my order

[vast lily]

lol same thing happened to me today

it ended up showing up with usps

i never managed to get a real tracking number

[left granite]

It was handed off on June 6 so I’ve definitely given it enough time

[vast lily]

oh that is nuts, i got mine the same day

it said it was handed off last night and it showed up today

let me see if i still have the package

the tracking aliexpress gives must be the china tracking numbers because when i googled mine i couldnt find anything either

damn threw out the packaging sorry

[left granite]

Yeah I track it though 17Track’s “AliExpress shipping” and it comes up but the tracking stops once it leaves China and gave a different tracking number

I refreshed the USPS page and now I get “Label Created, not yet in system”

[wild breach]

So its been a little while since I've been here. Joined when I was in process of buying new house and learned a lot from you guys. I'm looking to purchase mini PC(it comes with windows 10) and run HA on there in a VM. Have any of you had issues with a thing like that? I'm just curious if there are some tech specifications I need to be looking out for. Here is the one I'm thinking of getting https://www.amazon.com/AK3-Mini-PC/dp/B081H24H8Z/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=mini+desktop&qid=1595660726&sr=8-3

It say not "home assistant support here" im guess that means just technical support? Not sure, if I've placed this in wrong channel please point me to the right channel.

[versed jetty]

@light trout Congratz with your new job!

[light trout]

Thanks @versed jetty 🙂

[midnight adder]

where did @clever mortar go he seems less active.

[dusky plank]

fighting with atx and teddi behind the scenes

[rapid grove]

hey guys. my home assitant always chrashes when i try to se the value of a sensor

*see

what can i do ?

[midnight adder]

@rapid grove try #hardware-archived

[rapid grove]

ty

[midnight adder]

@dusky plank who is atx

Oh he is doing the githubs

[dusky plank]

a norwegian, used to hang around here too

[midnight adder]

Tinkerer is using github

[rapid grove]

allright corecction

ha crashes everytime i open anykind of chart

[midnight adder]

@rapid grove Do not ask for help here this is not for support

[midnight adder]

hi all. i have a home assistant instace running for about 2 years. i remember there being different versions to install and various setups possible.
i would like to rebuild my raspberry properly and create a new instance. where could i discuss this best?

@midnight adder Please ask in #449717345808547842 if you are using docker or #330990055533576204 if you are on a Rasberry pi or #330944238910963714 if you have the supervisor on a generic linux

[fading zodiac]

I have a server suggestion.

Where's the channel for our fallen boy @hasbot

[deft pewter]

He'll be revived soon. skala knows it's down and is going to fix it when he gets time.

[fading zodiac]

I'm grieving

:(

[deft pewter]

I know. It's been hard typing out full sentences. 😄

[clever mortar]

@midnight adder @dusky plank Try... on holiday 😉

[deft pewter]

I wasn't sure if it was that or if you got banned 😄

[midnight adder]

Hi ppl

How's everyone doing?

[olive bronze]

Anyone know how I can get Nabu Casa to re-send email verification email ? Searched Everywhere

[last dirge]

@last plaza have you done any video with your drone?

[last plaza]

@last dirge yes. I always do

[last dirge]

I finally edited something together from the first time I did video

https://youtu.be/w7uOzuc2auQ

[last plaza]

Nice!!! Did you use quick shots?

[last dirge]

I don't know what that is 🙂

[last plaza]

lol

I think it is called quick shots. You can have follow me, boomerang...etc.

[last dirge]

is that the name for the pre-programmed stuff like "point of interest"?

ah, I used that for the fountain

the other stuff is just me messing around

[last plaza]

Yup

Quality is great! Takes time to practice pitch, yaw and roll

[last dirge]

I think the biggest thing is finding the right controller settings

[last plaza]

Yeah. Do you use map while flying or just the video?

[last dirge]

just the video

I've not flown anywhere I can't see yet

[last plaza]

Ok. Once it goes beyond where you can’t see, you may want to switch to map view.

Initially you will be worried, but then you will let that fear go eventually 😊

[deft pewter]

I'm always slightly jealous when I see drone shots. Until I remember that it's illegal here to fly them a couple of metres above people's heads.

[last plaza]

Where do you live @deft pewter

[deft pewter]

UK

[last plaza]

Ah!

Not sure about uk. In the us, you can’t fly in public parks either. You need permission or faa license.

[deft pewter]

To be fair, I think it's sensible. No-one wants a bunch of fast-spinning blades in their face if something goes wrong, nor something heavy landing on them.

Just takes the fun out of getting one, so I haven't bothered.

[last plaza]

Still there are plenty of places you can fly

[last dirge]

I thought you couldn't fly in federal parks

[last plaza]

Not allowed on state parks@either unless otherwise specified

We only have one designated state park we can fly, and that park is boring with nothing but crap. They mark specific location where take off and landing is allowed.

[last dirge]

good thing that was a city park 🙂

[deft pewter]

City parks are more relaxed about it? Even with more people and greater risk?

[last plaza]

You can technically take off outside the park property- like roads and fly over the parks. That’s allowed. You can’t take off@or land on park property.

[deft pewter]

Hah, nice loophole 😄

[last plaza]

Yup

I fly in my neighborhood all the time, no one seem to complain. Once I saw someone posted a message on Nextdoor app about being annoyed. That was it 🤣

[shy comet]

i live too close to van nuys airport to be allowed to use a drone 😦

[last dirge]

there's where you went wrong

going on Nextdoor

[ancient anchor]

our office is pretty close to GRR

our phantom will fly but only around one half of the office

[tidal bronze]

@last dirge nicely done.

[last dirge]

eh, it sucks

but I'll get better

I'm just using a free LUT I found online

[tidal bronze]

3 LUTs they offer.

[last dirge]

got some graduated PolarPros the other day

[tidal bronze]

You can get the 3rd party packs

[last dirge]

no, I couldn't find the DJI LUTs

[tidal bronze]

Let me look it up.

2 stops down would be epic.

[last dirge]

there were some in Resolve already

[tidal bronze]

Rise on the steps 😆

[last dirge]

and I got some from fixthephoto.com

[tidal bronze]

I will have to dig up my LUTs I have a bunch. I am mainly on premier but resolve is mind blowing for motion correction

[last dirge]

the ones in Resolve are for the Phantom

[tidal bronze]

They are almost same

[last dirge]

it's hard to believe that Resolve is free

[tidal bronze]

Indeed

What mode did you capture.

[last dirge]

I also ordered some plain ND filters since I didn't realize I got graduated ones

noob mode

pretty sure that was all auto with the crappy DJI filter on

[tidal bronze]

All auto is not bad at all. RAW and LUT would be the way to go.

But dude for starters, very well done.

[last dirge]

I think that's RAW

I dunno though

it takes really good photos

those are definitely RAW

[tidal bronze]

Yep.

You should try the yaw/roll manually, one of these days. 😀

So you shot on d-log?

[last plaza]

@last dirge you just missed a deal on polar pro Nd lenses. I bought it for $100+, I saw them on sale for $27 last week or so.

[last dirge]

I bought the cinema lenses accidentally for $99

the regular ND ones were $40

[last plaza]

It is actually $15

[tidal bronze]

https://docs.djicdn.com/Products+info/DLog-M+to+Rec709.cube start with that

[last dirge]

where?

I'll return the plain ND filters to Amazon when they show up 🙂

@tidal bronze scarified the lawn today and my neighbor who always tells me "man, your yard looks great" said "holy crap, you ruined it"

[night zodiac]

looks nice and flat already

aerating it?

[last dirge]

no, scarifying it

[night zodiac]

Oh, I misread that

[last dirge]

I scalped last weekend

[night zodiac]

I watch people on youtube with nice yards

[last dirge]

was going to mow again today but it's storming on and off

[night zodiac]

lol

[last dirge]

@last plaza where's the sale?

just realized I pasted the RAW

[last plaza]

Keep an eye on slick deals. I saw it there some time ago

[shy comet]

i love slick deals

i always setup an alert and modify it to be any match....had better luck with certain deals that way

[orchid rose]

You guys use the ND filters for video or what?

[last dirge]

both

it's WAAAY too bright during the day with a fixed aperature

[orchid rose]

I was just wondering what fixed aperture applications there are and could only think of video

well other than the blurred lights/rivers etc effect that some people like

[last dirge]

drone camera's got a fixed aperature

so, anything it does 🙂

[orchid rose]

Ah, okay

I used one for my projector to bring down the black levels a bit

[tidal bronze]

@shy comet anymore cool trials you scored recently ?

[shy comet]

not really been a lil quiet

[tacit tapir]

I'm trying to create a shared agenda with my family members in google agenda. Sadly when one of them clicks on the "add agenda" button in the invite email it just gives the error "can't add agenda". Would someone here happen to know why?

[foggy flint]

I got the opportunity to purchase a casatunes matrix amplifier for multi room audio pretty cheap, it has a 8 channel matrix amp and a music server with 3 sources. anybody else have one of those? I had never even heard of it beforehand, but i got it for a really good price.

[turbid stirrup]

@tacit tapir maybe you need to set it to public?

[hidden leaf]

Anyone showing on their UI a "Minutes to Home" for a user using google maps' driving distance or something similar? I'm finding a lot of 2 or 3 year old tutorials that seem to be out of date, and am curious if anyone simply has it working and can recommend the process.

[umbral badge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/hxw6cm/trained_a_model_to_watch_our_kitchen_sink_if_some/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

I have gone too far

[mossy venture]

does anyone know if it's possible to control I/O of the usb ports on a Pi with HA?

[midnight adder]

what do you mean by control io of usb port

[mossy venture]

@midnight adder is it possible to turn them off and on, control each port individually?

[midnight adder]

are you talking about logical power off or you want to cut vbus +5V off from the usb port?

[mossy venture]

@midnight adder logical power

[forest edge]

hey hassbot is back

[wet pilot]

.goodbot

[forest edge]

bans phnx lol

[wet pilot]

You wish

[forest edge]

now if only atx would accept reality and come back

https://youtu.be/4ecv1a0MXbU

[static schooner]

Lol

[night zodiac]

you learn something new every day

[static schooner]

Domino’s pizza tracker

Starts out innocently enough and goes off the rails

[midnight adder]

LOL

[hushed basalt]

@rare condor I'm not using a priveledged LXC but I can read write on the bind mounts

Not sure why 🤷‍♂️

[rare condor]

@hushed basalt Its interesting as unprivileged containers use different user IDs for accounts like root, so normally when you try and do anything on the fs, as the user id is not associated with any group or user, it prohibits modifying the filesystem (unless permissions are set to Anybody for read, write and execute.)

Linux permissions can be an annoyance sometimes.

[hushed basalt]

Yeah I've probably got it set to 755

I'll have to double check

They sure are a pita sometimes though

Especially when you're constantly using single tenant systems/containers they are causing a lot of hassle but not much real world security

[rare condor]

indeed and often the error is not simple, as a wrong permission causes upstream issues in apps which lead you to think code isn't functioning.

[hushed basalt]

Plus a lot of docker apps will write whatever uid they want

Plus fun stuff like nfs which squashes things and all sorts of curly stuff

Also pro tip don't accidently shut down the hypervisor instead of the vm

Especially when you don't have ipmi or WOL configured

[midnight adder]

https://youtu.be/4ecv1a0MXbU
the stencil apply's thermal paste.. to keep it cool....
.hyperthink.meme
ok.. when youre 2 minutes in you ll get it.. slowly

[steel crag]

Hello everyone

not sure if I'm the first HA user from The Bahamas but greetings!

[midnight adder]

wow guys. i have updated (restarted my project) with a fresh build of home assistant (via raspberry image). i am amazed at how much has changed in just 2 years - chapeu!👍

[rare condor]

@hushed basalt Lol that's why you employ human IPMI. I have had to call my sister from Japan to reconnect my server after a tradie unplugged it lol

[hushed basalt]

Fortunately I was home

IPMI doesn't protect you from people turning it off though!

@rare condor something funny is going on though I'm getting kernel panics

Might be because of the new ram but I'll need to do a memtest to be sure and that means taking it offline for a while, plus finding a spare working keyboard in the garage

[rare condor]

I have yet to have a memtest fail, $20 bet its not the RAM 😛 kernel panic usually gives you hints to what is wrong in the console output

[forest edge]

when you get older doing that kind of crap just isn't worth it lol

[rare condor]

Yeah I gave up on computers, I have an intern type discord messages

[forest edge]

intern? discord has voice to text built in fool

[rare condor]

Yeah but you can't whip those, so less satisfying.

[forest edge]

sounds like you traded one waste of time of money for another to me lol

@last plaza wake up! don't you know it's going to be hotter than hell later and you need to get your bike riding in before the tires on your bike melt?

[rare condor]

whoosh

[last plaza]

@forest edge no bike ride for a few weeks. 😢

[forest edge]

oh?

did you break your ass bone?

I know when i started out or even haven't rode in a bit my buttocks feels like it's the 70's and some principle with a wooden paddle named "The Enforcer" didn't hold nothing back and I received years of built up frustration and anger

[granite hare]

Forecast called for rain all day so called off my morning ride as well 😢

[bitter pawn]

i do find the concept of an E-bike to be interesting.

richrebuilds used an E-Bike motor in a ratrod and his quad.

[forest edge]

e bikes will become scary

that kind of acceleration combined with lower weight

dangerous combo

[bitter pawn]

i think they already are pretty scary

[rich kettle]

no gears is weird

[bitter pawn]

but then again i know if i got on a motorcycle i'd kill myself on it

i like speed too much

[rich kettle]

i think formula E has a gearbox

for their electrics

[forest edge]

currently tech isn't where it's "too stupid" but we'll get there soon enough lol

[rich kettle]

i mean, have you seen the p100d model s

you don't even need electric to make a 'too stupid' car

let me show you the porsche carrerra gt

[forest edge]

big difference between gas and electric torque not to mention price tag plays a role as well. not saying there aren't stupid fast cars in the world already i'm talking "cheap" stupid fast with little weight

like those unicycle things. 40mph with a single wheel between your legs and you control by leaning.. i mean.. come on lol

[deft pewter]

40mph? I've never seen one that goes anywhere near that.

This kinda thing? https://www.electricunicycles.eu/solowheel_classic_(black)-c__169

[forest edge]

yea, saw a yt video on one that does 40mph the other day

was insane

[deft pewter]

Must've been modded/self-built. I can't imagine a commercial version doing those speeds.

[forest edge]

no it wasn't modded

let me see if i can find it

pretty sure it was this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2OwOEHQ4vA&feature=youtu.be

[deft pewter]

Wow. That's nuts.

I can ride a unicycle and I still wouldn't trust myself on that.

[mild tapir]

2 months of pure hell, I finally did it. A domain that is Unix + Windows fully synced without a windows server in the mix

[last dirge]

@rare condor one time I had to drive an hour and a half to a datacenter to press a power button

the guy who set up the account didn't authorize me to call into the NOC

but I had cards and codes to get into the DC

then the guy went out of the country

[night zodiac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBMm1tInv4Q

[deft pewter]

Isn't the purpose of 'Ambilight' to match whatever's on a display? HA is headless.

[night zodiac]

it uses arduino for the light controller, you can code whatever you want

yeah, not sure what you would really want to do with HA

it's arduino stuff though so you can integrate mqtt and such

[deft pewter]

That Lightpack software they use looks interesting. Thanks for the link.

[night zodiac]

yeah, might be a use for one of these extra 8266s

[deft pewter]

Haha, yeah. I have a few spares sitting around.

[night zodiac]

I have some spares and ordered more with some nicer sensors 😛

I just built a little temp/hum. sensor for my closet where the AC is

https://share.busheezy.dev/GYhNJQ.png

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KR24P6P/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I have some of thse on the way that I am going to try out

https://share.busheezy.dev/T0wGRm.jpg q tip is for scale to show my father how small they are, haha

[deft pewter]

I started with a handful of ESP-01s. Those things are miniscule.

Barely bigger than a standard SIM card.

[night zodiac]

nice, I'll have to google them. I have only bought the wemos d1 on I think quads suggestion

and then I bought some esp32s on the way to make some bluetooth to mqtt forwarder thangs for my plants

'should be here tomorrow

I'm new to all of the thangs

wifi manager is a neat library

and pub sub client works very nicely

[deft pewter]

Yeah, I went with the ESP32 for plant sensors too.

They work well with the Xiaomi probes.

[night zodiac]

are you using the esphome?

[deft pewter]

Yup

[night zodiac]

nice

I bought one for each wall, hopefully that is good enough