Volume etc would probably be fine to not even integrate
#the-water-cooler
dusk lodge
last dirge
squid season
hearty depot
uff... been fighting against a && in my dockerfile for at least 1 hour
hearty depot
ext4
clever mortar
FAT32 is one option, EXT[234] is another
last dirge
it can read almost anything except NTFS
last dirge
right
dusk lodge
Is NTFS not allowed to be used without permission of MS
clever mortar
Nope
hearty depot
I heard something bout an ntfs implementation(kernel)
last dirge
it can read it, just not natively
dusk lodge
silly
I assume if I want to install HA I should probably use Docker on a Pi
Or would it perform better by flashing hassos straight to it 🤔
clever mortar
What are your Linux and Docker skills like?
If not great then just flash the image
hearty depot
prittey shure that option 2 ll perform better.
clever mortar
Then flash the image
dusk lodge
very gooud
clever mortar
You don't (yet) know enough to safely run the other options
dusk lodge
Is there a way to get VNC access to a Hassos instance running on a Pi?
I used to VNC into my Pi but that was running Raspbian
last dirge
lelz
last dirge
startx
dusk lodge
I got slightly confused between the online GUI and the uh, the black-white text that actually runs it
last dirge
the most UI-ish thing I've seen on a Pi is XBMC
last dirge
the zero is useless for anything serious
dusk lodge
I would run a fully fledged server, I can afford one
But "quiet" isn't enough, silent is a requirement
And nothing cheap runs quite as silent as a RasPi which doesn't even have active cooling
last dirge
so get a NUC
dusk lodge
nothing cheap
clever mortar
It's not hard to build a silent PC. It just costs money
dusk lodge
If I'm putting off upgrading my 2B to a 4B I thought it would be implied I can't spend £150+ on a NUC ^-^
My eventual plan (once I move out) is to find a place, maybe a side room or even potentially attic I can just run a £50 Optiplex in
Oh this is interesting
I use a Synergy-like virtual KVM (mouseWithoutBorders) and I've just noticed if I have a game open on my desktop, the music will automute when I put my mouse on my laptop screen because it's like exiting the window
that's convenient
clear ferry
Passive cooling 🤢
scenic radish
Fewer moving parts 
light trout
Just like my brain
clever mortar
You got a brain? Dammit, I'm missing out again!
clear ferry
dusky plank
anybody have experience in data rescue from a corrupted lvm storage in .img form?
tidal bronze
@clear ferry do you use Google coral on esxi?
hearty depot
@dusky plank sadly yes, but only on real drives - got a backup or your luks header?
Otherwise youre screwd
dusky plank
well I get errors regarding superblocks... and I can't recover those from others
I created the lvm in fedora, which I believe is in ext4? If so I just need the files from the ext4 partition anyway but testdisk doesn't seem to find the partition
clear ferry
Don't have one yet, so no @tidal bronze
hearty depot
so you got the luks open?
dusky plank
the what?
hearty depot
ah - juped to encyption - I use lvm's only to store data encrypted
dusky plank
data loss 🥳
hearty depot
https://askubuntu.com/questions/381518/recover-from-a-corrupted-filesystem-when-fsck-do-not-help
https://linuxtechme.wordpress.com/2016/03/23/understanding-about-superblock-and-how-to-recover-it-from-a-corrupted-partition/
testdisk
https://www.tecmint.com/install-testdisk-data-recovery-tool-in-linux/
https://kezhong.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/linux-ext2ext3-superblock-recovery/
http://shearer.org/Ext4_recovery
man mke2fs
https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/en/man8/mkfs.ext4.8.html
https://www.tecmint.com/what-is-ext2-ext3-ext4-and-how-to-create-and-convert-linux-file-systems/
Links where I thourght they might help when I have to recover form a disk error again
maybe man dd is also a important one - you meight want to restore the superblock from one of the backups to the front
clever mortar
Yeah, rule #1 is clone that disk, work on the clone
dusky plank
I'm just dding the img (which was supposed to be a backup but got corrupted in the process aparently) on a physical disk and take those steps from there... most tools seem to work with disk anyway instead of images
dusky plank
no dice, it's gone
hearty depot
dang. fdisk -l gives out nothing?
dusky plank
yeah I get the partitions, I can even explore parts of it but the folders I'm searching for (e.g. /etc/libvirt ) are not there so I believe it just finds a recovery partition
hearty depot
tryed already mounting it with an offset?
dusky plank
I'm not that experienced haha
hearty depot
just goole mount img offset
Never used it for data rescue but for setting up images with keys and so on
https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/how-to-mount-img-file-882386/
the post from TobiSGD
find out where the sector starts multipy by blocksize and mount
dusky plank
I played with the img before and tools already tried finding different offsets but I never got my etc back, thanks though!
they also just found the recovery partition, so the image seems to be really damaged beginning from the partition that I need until the lvm. testdisk sees /dev/mapper/fedora-root and /dev/mapper/datastore (lvm) though
hearty depot
ah its a fedora system - that thing is somehow crasy relyant on the lvm's
when I understand it right you have the datastore and in there are 3 other lvm's for / home and swap
so back to my stupid ideas - lets do update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/bash bash /bin/zsh 1 what should go wrong?
dusky plank
uuuuuhhh I just looked in the root, there should be my /etc ?
I just get the emergency console when I boot it up
hearty depot
could be - dont know
out of my fstab
# Accessible filesystems, by reference, are maintained under '/dev/disk/'.
# See man pages fstab(5), findfs(8), mount(8) and/or blkid(8) for more info.
/dev/mapper/fedora_localhost--live-root / ext4 defaults,x-systemd.device-timeout=0 1 1
i would say /dev/mapper is another apstaction
dusky plank
need to dd that img again, i destroyed everything before in search for my files 😄
https://youtu.be/gIE9zBtpJw0?t=1650
that's what I followed but the video is incomplete and without the authors website I cannot get it to work again so I still believe the scripts I'm looking for are in the /root. But I have not really any experience with lvm so I'm screwed because if I try to do that setup again (which is why I wiped the drive in the first place) and install the GPU drivers (vega) the display turns on but the whole system just freezes at this point. no output, no network response, all dead.
hearty depot
rescue mode or live CD, croot into HDD, profit?
dusky plank
the struggle is real
and I doubt I'll find what I'm looking for specifically, because I already tried passthrough with proxmox and ubuntu on this same machine now and it's also just freezing (same behaviour with fedora, although I already had this running before thanks to the website..)
hearty depot
I know way to well - you should look into scripting that cind of crap.
Wayback machine for the site?
dusky plank
no caches, no wayback nothing unfortunately, searched for days..
hearty depot
uuuuh ouch
shutdown-s-t0
2 monts ago
@Br0kk You are right. I have tried to renew the domain but the premium they ask for hosting renewal is just too much for me (about 150 dollars with the hosting restore fee) so i just couldn't justify the hosting renewal at this price, for a one post website. I also did not made any backup ( although they do have it ) and it seems Google cache is not available for the website any longer. So that's it for the website, i guess... Really sorry about that.```yep, I'm not the only one in this situation :P
https://xcp-ng.org/forum/post/23199
After a hard reset, nothing related to passtrough in theses log files: SMlog, xensource.log and hypervisor.log. ```what I just found out is that you could actually direct-path-IO graphic cards.
i know almost nothing about it (watched 1 video) but apperantly qemu is capable of this magic
hearty depot
rly? sounded so new - yea shure network cards - but other hardware
dusky plank
never heard of direct-path-IO, is it passthrough essentially?
clear ferry
Esxi has been able to passthrough any hardware since atleast 4.1
Might be earlier too
Direct path is just on top of that
Introduced in firmware at some point
dusky plank
the nuc runs passthrough fine though on this machine with ESXI,
I just cannot use any keyboard/mouse because I cannot passthrough any usb controllers (especially HID devices) in ESXI - a thing qemu was capable of 😄
clear ferry
Intel vt-d and such
hearty depot
oooh so sad - I cant just replace bash with zsh - It brakes things
dusky plank
mounting gives
system call failed: Structure needs cleaning
e2fsck gives
... Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks...
The superblock could not be read or does not describe a valid ext2/3/4 fs ```
``` /dev/mapper/fedora_macmini-root contains a xfs file system ```how does your mount command look like?
dusky plank
mount -t ext4 /dev/mapper/fedora_macmini-root /mnt/test
dusky plank
was my typo, sorry I'm lazy 😛
hearty depot
you could now start to restore the superblock with dd
just search for the backup blocks and move the backup blocks to their location in the front
but I think the mount could work without friggeling around in that madness
dusk lodge
Does anybody know if there's a syntax to tell Alexa "play [song] on [bluetooth speaker device name]"?
not really through HA, just vanilla Alexa
hearty depot
alexa, connect xy i know
dusk lodge
Hmn
That's what I'm doing right now
but that means having to connect, then play a song
it would be nice if I could just say play x on y
hearty depot
guess so - otherwise just try
dusky plank
xfs_repair /dev/mapper/fedora_macmini-root -L
ends in
Sorry could not find valid secondary superblock after searching for 2 minutes
dusk lodge
huh, it seems to ignore me if I specify a device name
hearty depot
I was at the exat same place as you some monts ago - a centos kernel update failed
dusk lodge
out of curiosity, as I don't know since I don't have more than 1, what happens if you say Alexa in a room with multiple alexas?
hushed basalt
I'm guessing it's same as Google home
They will all listen for a while but I believe they broadcast to each other on the network/Google backend and elect a leader
I believe the directional microphone arrays are very good at detecting distance so they'll pick the closest one
dusk lodge
interesting
yeah I have noticed
the little accent that determines voice location is incredibly accurate
I only wish it could control Chromecasts :(
dusky plank
big thanks @hearty depot for your knowledge 💯
hearty depot
I hope you either get or got it. Sadly have to leaf to the bed..
dusky plank
nope no chance... will try other ways/oses the next days, esxi definitely works with gpu passthrough will just need to figure out how to pass HID devices... Linux would be more preferable for me though
gn 🙂
hushed basalt
Laughs in no watch
Just take my phone out of my pocket 50 times a day to check the time
dusky plank
didn't you want to get a watch? @hushed basalt
which one are you thinking about?
hushed basalt
Not a "smartwatch"
Probably a mi band 5 nfc when they come out
It doesn't look like android watches are good enough yet. Maybe they never will be
scenic radish
Long live pebble
dusky plank
no HA compatible? I'm disappointed
hushed basalt
In terms of notifications?
dusky plank
I don't have any, I have no idea how they can be used 😄
green inlet
watches are for man children
hushed basalt
Do you use a pocket watch
scenic radish
pocket watches are for chan mildren
green inlet
it is 2020......and time is pretty much irrelevant.
ocean mirage
time was made up by capitalists to sell clocks
green inlet
i use the sun integration.....like the cavemen
hushed basalt
Sun integrations are for stan mildred
scenic radish
Do you even spoonerism
hushed basalt
I was spoon once, but I forked
dusky plank
I can hear ssd noises. I can also hear phone charger noises. it drives me nuts
ocean mirage
that might have been a pre-requisite
amber bramble
@dusky plank we've got a few laptops at work that make a terrible high pitched screeching sound that me and a few other people can hear but others can't
laptops with no moving parts no less
dusky plank
yep, terrible high pitched it is indeed
amber bramble
I can also hear CRTs if I run across them in the wild
dusky plank
yep and those animal repellent sound thingies which activate on motion, I can hear them all
green inlet
maybe you should turn down your ear volume....it is obviously turned up too loud.
dusky plank
life hack
amber bramble
haha
green inlet
my daughter can hear me rub my thumb and forefinger together
very aggravating for both of us
amber bramble
i can hear all kinds of stupid high pitched stuff but have to watch TV shows with closed captioning on and the volume over 9000 to pick out what people are saying half the time
dusky plank
I thought I would have been to enough techno parties and festivals but nooo guess I need more
amber bramble
i think a lot of TV shows are mixed poorly. Voices are too quiet compared to the music and sfx
dusky plank
If I at least could use this ability for something cool... but I can't hear beer unfortunately
green inlet
@dusky plank , if a beer is opened in the woods, with no one around, is it truly opened?
dusky plank
maybe? is this schrödingers beer?
hushed basalt
@dusky plank I'm the same. I'm sending my laptop back because it whines
Plus I can hear every charger, every toothbrush charger, annoying af
My monitors do it sometimes too
dusky plank
yeah my macbook air had that too at the beginning but it faded away fortunately...
I also cannot have any chargers near my bed, I cannot even have a tradfri bulb in my bedroom
hushed basalt
I haven't heard bulbs maybe I'm lucky at 240v 50hz
Chargers that have blinking lights are the worst
Because they whine with the blink
Like my tool battery chargers
I need to put them on a smart plug so they're not powered while I'm nearby
dusky plank
I can't hear chargers until the point when the battery is full, then I hear the coils whining...
dusky plank
I already put my oral b toothbrush on a smart plug... I read the battery (and other infos) via bluetooth 😄
edgy crown
good evening everyone!
hushed basalt
If you add some mass to the coils it can stop it
dusky plank
👋
dusky plank
mass? nah I dont take chargers apart 😄
hushed basalt
dusky plank
I just don't have anything powered in my bedroom, but interesting though 🤔
and I believe this also applies to coils only and not ssds
hushed basalt
Yeah they would have coils inside the ssd
Has anyone ever used augmented reality
Always looked like a dumb technology to me but maybe someone has a different experience
I'm particular I'm talking about headsets
edgy crown
I don't think it is mature enough. I tried a hunted house that used augmented reality and it was the dumbest thing ever.
hushed basalt
Like the amount of advertising I've seen where engineers are walking around with AR glasses on manipulating an engine or something
I think there's a place for phone app stuff
But the whole walk around and see your reality augmented with your own POV crap
edgy crown
yes I saw an Elon Musk video about that technology they use in SpaceX
dusky plank
I think Ikea also has use of it to check if the sofa fits in your living room...
edgy crown
hushed basalt
I really don't think people want or need to manipulate CAD with their hands
Mouse and keyboard are pretty poor HIDs for this but there's better control surfaces out there
dusky plank
but yeah you're right... the one pokemon go screen where you can throw the ball with the camera view in background disappeared quite fast because it had no use 😄
thick dragon
There's some great VR tools for stuff like that.
hushed basalt
That spaceX video is quite old
If you were to walk into spaceX design today are they still using that
scenic radish
so... how concerned should i be about this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6ZTRkf78Zz/
happens on every boot, then the SATA controller falls back to 3 Gbps mode
smartctl long and short tests come back ok, might run fsck. SSD is less than a year old
dusky plank
this one was impressive back in 2007
https://youtu.be/ysEVYwa-vHM?t=132
@scenic radish never seen that except the I/O error line, is the cabling alright?
scenic radish
i reseated the cable on the SSD end at least, can't really access the motherboard side, at least not easily (mini PC)
well there's a little access panel that might be helpful
dusky plank
better make a backup with 3gbps than none... I already had pain the last days
scenic radish
yeah there's no way for me to reseat the cable on the mobo side
brazen fable
Put it in another machine and see if it's the SSD or the controller on the mini pc
dusky plank
or if you have a spare ssd laying around copy it and see if it persists
scenic radish
Yeah I do have a spare SSD that's a little newer, I'll prob try that
i don't really have another machine to test it on @brazen fable :/
i guess i could pop it in my laptop
scenic radish
welp, time for
sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb status=progress
i'll be back in one eternity
dusky plank
better add bs=1m
you get the status with ctrl+t
hushed basalt
Don't mix those up
scenic radish
heh, oh trust me... i check it like five times
lsblk
ok, good.
starts typing dd command
lsblk
ok.
hushed basalt
sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null status=progress
lol
wet pilot
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
scenic radish
copy it to... nowhere pls.
wet pilot
Doit
scenic radish
no thank u
hushed basalt
How to lose friends and alienate people
wet pilot
Haha
scenic radish
hmm.
echo 0 > /dev/sda
?
dusky plank
use bs=* otherwise it will take an eternity for real
wet pilot
The one I posted will strategically nuke your boot sector. Os will happily keep on running until you restart
scenic radish
heh, i see that
wet pilot
Useful for redeploying a VM at least
scenic radish
sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb status=progress bs=64K
``` seems to be running at 120+ MB/s
175 bois
dusky plank
dd copies also the 0's
scenic radish
yeah i just realized that lmao
dusky plank
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
wheat canyon
do you guys mostly use the vs code in browser lately, or work on a local version on vs code and push / pull?
dusky plank
mostly edit files with a editor because the files lay on my nas anyway,
sometimes vi via shell
wheat canyon
i kept messing up on my gitignore file and tried to setup a local gitlab ha. took so long and never could quite get it working consistent to do the whole write local and push to my hass 
rain swift
any of you chaps know if there is any way to control hue sync boxes yet at all?
dusky plank
@rain swift https://github.com/lukasroegner/homebridge-philips-hue-sync-box#readme
it's possible at least
dusky plank
just run a dummy homebridge instance with this plugin and use the plugin's api with isApiEnabled: true
then you can use the api with http calls in HA
rain swift
I shall look into this.
hushed basalt
Ansible is fuuuuu
scenic radish
welp, same issue on the other SSD, though i don't see the
print_req_error: I/O error, dev sda, sector 234440192
``` anymore at leaststill falls back to 3 Gbps though...
guess i'll file a warranty claim and see what happens. the mini pc is a month old
in other news, this USB cellular modem is pretty neat
hushed basalt
How much is the sim costing you
scenic radish
It's included in my plan
scenic radish
It's just my fiancee and me but the third line is Free ™️
hushed basalt
Nice
So is there a way to have linux treat it as a metered connection
So it doesn't ream your data on an unattended upgrade if your line goes down
Etc
scenic radish
Oh...I'm just using it to send SMS lol
For emergency notifications (water leak, smoke alarm, etc.)
Third notification method
I should try enabling the data connection though, that'd be cool. I don't want modemmanager to fuck with my Zigbee/zwave stick tho
tidal bronze
Anyone using amcrest doorbell ?
thick dragon
I'm using a motion sensor and a automation to cast "doorchime.mp3" around my house 😛
rare condor
I have used an Amcrest doorbell. But I have replaced it
Annoyed me the button was not exposed via API
molten osprey
Disappointing!
I got a new ISP and I'm supposed to get 1000/1000
But I'm getting 900/700
Boo!
molten osprey
(it's a special "try our max" promotion, i dont have that speed normally)
obviously they want me to upgrade to that package
molten osprey
it is
scenic radish
O
molten osprey
but i refuse to pay for a 1000/1000 package if I'm not getting those speeds
scenic radish
Heh, it's probably "up to" 1000/1000
scenic radish
I've been pleasantly surprised that I appear to be pulling up to 250 down from my 200 package
scenic radish
Yeah, when's the last time you've cleaned out the pipes?
molten osprey
broomed fresh this mornig!
scenic radish
Can't blame them if you slack on your maintenance obligation
molten osprey
ng
scenic radish
@hushed basalt that modem was $13 shipped on aliexpress btw lol
scenic radish
Lmao
I know, I should have haggled
"$13 is far too reasonable, how's $20 sound?"
Should we all ping @clear ferry a million times again?
O shit
molten osprey
I guess I can't blame the ISP for the limitations of the Gigabit Ethernet connection ...
"The approximate throughput for Gigabit Ethernet without jumbo frames and using TCP is around 928Mbps"
from: the always correct interweb!
tidal bronze
@rare condor that's what I noticed as well but not A problem. I have to integrate the button to intercom system anyway and that's already ESP'ed 🙂 So Amcrest Chime Module > Chime Module > Intercom Chime > HA
hushed basalt
Get a real POE doorbell camera =3
tidal bronze
intercom is already on ESP triggers. I have to trigger the intercom chime anyways using the amcrest chime module.
rare condor
fair, so have you got the amcrest yet?
rare condor
I need to get a 3d printer.
So many times I see something on thingiverse I need and I can't print it
ocean mirage
they are good fun
tidal bronze
Get on Fusion 360 why download when you can draw it in a few
rare condor
But yeah my suggestion avoid any amcrest cloud stuff, block it via firewall, vlan etc. and only use HASS to generate automations
sure but I would need a 3d printer first
tidal bronze
Yep 🙂
ocean mirage
if a model exists that solves my need I just download it, I will draw one up if not
rare condor
Also the New Ubiquiti Doorbell is nice
tidal bronze
Haven't downloaded in ages
ocean mirage
I normally use fusion 360 too but tried my hand at solidworks last night, that one is confusing
rare condor
Expose RTSP feeds and button press (requires work around)
solidworks is professional
tidal bronze
Although I do use grabcad and mcmaster
rare condor
fusion360 is a toy in contrast
tidal bronze
LOL
ocean mirage
I only needed one feature from solidworks and thats the 'wrap' feature
rare condor
Doing thermal calculations in solidworks was so time consuming
tidal bronze
I beg to differ. If it's not parametric it's 1972
ocean mirage
everything else I am going to stick to fusion
rare condor
Solidworks is what is used in industry
tidal bronze
Yes few years ago
rare condor
Fusion360 is simple and great for beginners
Every Engineering Firm wants solid works exp. where I live fusion360 meh.
I like fusion360 more
tidal bronze
China is all on fusion. Where the actual production happens.
ocean mirage
that reminds me my alibaba order for 3d printer upgrade still hasnt come
tidal bronze
Anyways not my battle.
ocean mirage
silly virus
tidal bronze
Alibaba?
tidal bronze
I know what it is but never knew anyone ordered from that 🙂
ocean mirage
its pretty popular
I got my new hot end off there and have a new extruder and a BLtouch clone on the way
tidal bronze
Cool. I do have a CNC operation in Shenzhen 😉
ocean mirage
I want to make a CNC mill
tidal bronze
All CNC routers since we manufacture carbon fiber parts.
ocean mirage
cool
tidal bronze
Glad that production is back up to 70% after COVID
turbid stirrup
Good morning everyone. Yet another new convert to home assistant on rasp pi here =)
I'm looking to connect a touchscreen to it & mount it to the wall. I've found some helpful guides to do so using raspbian. (A recent one:
https://singlebox.tv/2020/01/03/how-to-all-in-one-home-assistant-and-touch-panel/ )
Can this also be done using the home assistant OS directly on the pi? Or only on another device / when running home assistant in Docker or similar?
clever mortar
No, there's no local UI with #330990055533576204
You might be able to do it with #330944238910963714 - but it'd be unsupported
#449717345808547842 and #551864459891703809 you can do what you want 😉
turbid stirrup
Ok, so home assistant OS also does not have a graphical browser I could point to localhost:8123?
(not emacs ;) )
turbid stirrup
Ok, thanks for the answer Tinkerer
modest granite
Great feature request needs some "Votes" - Couldn't it be cool to save Tracking Device history like Biking Routes (Maps/statistics) etc. in HA based on the HA App. on your Mobile Device https://community.home-assistant.io/t/keeping-tracking-history-and-show-statistics-and-route/205167
clever mortar
You do know that the #frontend-archived map card can display a history?
modest granite
Yeps and that is indeed a great function (well hidden - but so cool)
I could see the "family" getting rid of Cloud based Sports Tracking services - you already have it in HA it is just finding a way to store the "track history" with some additional information like speed and altitude etc.
clear ferry
I love doing Health And Safety training online for every haz-site I go to, they are all the fricking same, and all of it is 99% common sense and 1% special-ish
especially when it is a 2 hour interactive click session with a person who sounds like he worked for the Tudors
forest edge
they probably take one look at you and think you need it. just be glad you don't come to the states often, our TSA would probably think you need a anal cavity search at every check station lol
clear ferry
Have a few collegues who have done installs in the US for norwegian customers, always no problems 🤣
worse when we travel to pakistan
and you go out to lunch
and the hotel gets blown up
forest edge
lol
clever mortar
Please don't forget to wear the body armour
clear ferry
happened to a collegue of mine in the mid 00s
forest edge
isn't that where anthrax was created?
clear ferry
you are mixing up CDC with the rest of the world
clear ferry
tough igloo
clever mortar
Yes
hushed basalt
Cheese on bottom or top
clever mortar
Tomato sauce on the bottom, cheese layer, toppings, bit more cheese
clever mortar
brazen fable
Depends on the pizza
Deep dish sauce goes in top
Thin crust it's always cheese on top
That's how it's done
brazen fable
Because it's delicious
ocean mirage
bread on the bottom wtf is wrong with you
brazen fable
You're eating the wrong deep dish
kind lantern
So, I got the PIzza PIlgrims frying pan pizza kit earlier this week (anyone who isn't aware, they're a London (UK), based pizza company - relatively hipster), who are doing nation wide delivery. They ship a margherita with instructions of tomato sauce, drizzle of olive oil, basil, then mozarella
forest edge
More base to chew, less toppings
@clever mortar depends on where you get it. many deep dish around here is relatively thin crust with mounds of toppings
clever mortar
In the UK it's normally just a thicker base with some extra toppings
Not enough to make it worthwhile
brazen fable
TFW you think the UK actually knows how to make pizza
kind lantern
But even with the mounds of toppings, it's typically mounds of tomato sauce
Scolias, we just import the process from Italy 😂
brazen fable
There are only 2 cities on the planet that consistently get pizza right. Chicago and New York
forest edge
if anything some places tend to over do the amount of cheese and not enough sauce
slate marsh
I've had pizza in Milan and there a couple of small places here in the UK that get close. I mean single site small and the base is never quite the same
kind lantern
You need to go to naples
brazen fable
I don't know why that is, but it's a solid truth. Im very well traveled and pizza in other places is generally not great
clever mortar
Pizza there was really good
brazen fable
I'll add it to my list
clever mortar
Of course, go for the small places, not the tourist traps
brazen fable
Well yeah
Like a good hamburger I've found you can only get in the Midwest. Probably because freshness
forest edge
surprised atx hasn't chimed in with some kind of weird whale pizza or uncooked meat pizza
brazen fable
LOL
slate marsh
Now Austin BBQ was awesome. Not had that anywhere else
clear ferry
New york pizza is never wrong tbh
brazen fable
The south has BBQ on lock
clear ferry
I haven't had a single pizza in new york I didn't like
forest edge
NY pizza was too greasy for me
brazen fable
Depends. NY pizza is super hit or miss
Alot of places coast on reputation
But some are quite good
forest edge
I prefer chicago style more although some chicago style deep dish is just too damn meaty
brazen fable
Lombardi was good
clear ferry
brazen fable
And as much as I dislike Chicago and the city in general, I have to say we got some great food of all types here
I didn't realize how truly spoiled I was when it came to food until I started traveling
forest edge
best deep dish I ever had was a deep dish shrimp pizza made by this company https://dishpizza.com when they had actual restaurant's before going solely grocery store garbage
brazen fable
Especially when some podunk town's version of fine dining was fuckin perkins. Lmao
hushed basalt
Grocery store products is just them becoming corporatisation
forest edge
Especially when some podunk town's version of fine dining was fuckin perkins. Lmao
@brazen fable uh when i was a kid Perkin's was fine dining lol
clear ferry
Black Iron Burger in NY was great too
forest edge
they evven made thier own pies in store
clear ferry
Now I want to go back to Katz in NY 
forest edge
Perkin's made a chili bread bowl that was freaking awesome. I can never find that anymore
brazen fable
Road trip
ocean mirage
my toes hurt just looking at that
orchid rose
Haha, I had the same thought 😄
ocean mirage
you can tell its not british cause it only has one tap
slate marsh
So they ran the water supply pipes but no drain...
I think we've mostly got over that now, thankfully
hushed basalt
Tfw when you look for internal cooking temps for meat and google gives you all numbers over 100
The designer myopia at Google is strong
clear ferry
rare condor
anyone working on anything cool today?
clear ferry
Just regular life, trying to figure out which water cooled heatsinks of a 400 node dual CPU system cluster needs changing
By measuring temperature fluctuations
rare condor
Do you work onsite ever, or all remote?
clear ferry
Whenever needed
rare condor
I was looking at new Motherboards tonight
wanted B550M motherboard but they were all sold out
hearty depot
x570 ?
clear ferry
Consumer 🤢
hearty depot
AsRock X570M pro 4
rare condor
yeah too expensive its like $350AUD
hearty depot
lol - I payed 170€
rare condor
B550M was around $240AUD
hearty depot
but its pritty nice - can attach 8(or6 not 100% shure)x sata and 2x nvme
rare condor
Same with some B550M boards main difference is PCIE3.0 to Chipset not PCIE 4
This is the board I'm after : https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B550-AORUS-PRO-rev-10#kf
$129 USD
But wasn't so impressed with new XT CPUs
So buying 3600 as they are selling for $100USD equiv
hearty depot
mATX went away fast here
rare condor
My PC case has a custom screen in it so I don't want to replace the case. Next build will likey be ATX
@clear ferry In Sweden or Norway, forget which one you come from, how do you heat houses? Like in Aus we use Heat Pumps but I garner they wouldn't work there as its too cold?
Do you use Gas?
rare condor
fair I guess they are just run longer
rare condor
so like oil column or elemant heaters?
rare condor
So you currently have heat pumps in your house?
clear ferry
I have two heat pumps, plus a fireplace, plus electric heaters if needed
rare condor
Probably not needed with all your servers anyway 😛
rare condor
nice old school
rare condor
I suppose don't have to worry about fires
clear ferry
House fires are rare, but we have some each winter, usually due to people using candles
rare condor
That much wood is risky in Aus, too much accelerant on property
clear ferry
Australia, from know known as Muuuuurica 2.0
rare condor
Fun Fact: Australia is an American Company: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq8H0GHU8AQ
(not joking)
TLDW: The Commonwealth of Australia became an American Company to insure Government Bonds during the GFC.
hushed basalt
I don't want to play this game anymore
clear ferry
What a wicked game you play@hushed basalt
hushed basalt
The game of Australia being fucked by rampant corporatism
clear ferry
Time to move to Norwat!
clear ferry
Just tell her it's England, but surprise when you land
clear ferry
It probably is
hushed basalt
It's probably anywhere from $50-$80 for a carton of cider here
Depending on brand and specials
The wine we buy from the shop is about $7
But an equivalent quality house white glass will cost you like $10 lol
clear ferry
Wine is a special shop, any alcohol above 3% is
clear ferry
We have a special store with alcohol above 3%
I know in many countries you buy it all in the supermarket
Like Ireland
hushed basalt
Murrica
Here they just attach a bottle shop adjacent to the supermarket
And have a door that goes between them
clear ferry
Ours closes earlier than shops and is located in shopping centers mostly
hushed basalt
I can order wine with my groceries delivery though haha
ocean mirage
Norway: A little bit less bad
Hard to get excited about moving when there are only shit countries
hushed basalt
They have fibre though
ocean mirage
So do NZ and its less cold
hushed basalt
Even if they hang it from tree trunks like savages
True
But does NZ have a pro conservative population though?
Not as bad as Aus I'm sure
ocean mirage
why
clear ferry
Because it is tasty?
hushed basalt
Wtf is brown cheese
clear ferry
hushed basalt
We don't have a big cheese culture
ocean mirage
cheese is eh
clear ferry
They did eat cheese in NZ when I was there
ocean mirage
oh yeah I used the same beans as you from amazon then got some locally roasted ones which were nicer
clear ferry
So I assumed you did too
ocean mirage
I could live with the amazon beans but better is better
hushed basalt
We eat it
But we don't like, have cheese heros
Or big cheese conventions
Or use cheese wheels as collateral for a house
Cheese is just something "cultured" people buy in small portions from the supermarket for their wine and cheese party pre drinks before they go to the Melbourne Cup and get wasted and vomit in the uber on the way back
Locally roasted is way nicer ofc
But what was the cost per gram
hushed basalt
Plus you have to go and get it
ocean mirage
I can get some for cheaper but I need to drive a bit futher, but its award winning stuff there
the one I went to is <5 minute drive
hushed basalt
You could buy your own green beans and roast them like a prepper
hushed basalt
Just make sure the roast exhaust doesn't get too close to the air intake for your bomb shelter
ocean mirage
heh
the further away roaster has a million types too which is cool
People actually rate Aldi's range but they are not gonna be fresh thats for sure
clear ferry
We go through probably 3kgs of cheese in our household alone per week, sometimes more
hushed basalt
It's all just homebrand stuff with labels made to imitate the name brands
hushed basalt
Plus a bunch of random low quality shit in the middle
ocean mirage
some stuff I will go to woolies for
hushed basalt
The quality of homebrand Woolies stuff is probably the same though
Plus you can get it delivered
And not go through understaffed checkouts and pay 0.5% for credit
Costco is insane though
It's wayy too busy
hushed basalt
It's not great for monopolization but we're fucked either way
All the name brand stuff is owned by multinational conglomerates
ocean mirage
yeah I mean you can hardly blame the consumer for that
so do whatever
but I have no issue going to the store
its close
hushed basalt
Kids
ocean mirage
fair
clear ferry
When it is so hot outside your asscrack is swimming
ocean mirage
thats not bad at all
clear ferry
Also known as Australian winter
hushed basalt
Minimum $100 delivery
clear ferry
29c here now 
hushed basalt
But considering we have to shop gluten, wheat, egg and dairy free that means everything is so expensive anyways
:) :| :'(
It's been 29c at midnight here before
hushed basalt
For allergies?
ocean mirage
oh yeah woolies is better for food like that anyway
clear ferry
If they are documented they do, atleast for gluten I believe
hushed basalt
Yeah Woolies is actually pretty pro allergy
scenic radish
I don't like cheese
clear ferry
ocean mirage
cheese can be fun but I definitely thing is overrated
clear ferry
Google translate that one
scenic radish
Well, I guess I like mozzarella since I like pizza
scenic radish
But I wouldn't eat it by itself
scenic radish
Heh, no clue. Must still be in crustoms
scenic radish
Norwat
hushed basalt
Probably hasn't been given enough tax haven
rare condor
anyone using a smart door lock?
clever mortar
I know a few folks in #hardware-archived / #integrations-archived do, though most are #zwave-archived users
rare condor
I was on the Home Automation Australia FB Group, had some options under $70AUD but from Amazon US
clear ferry
Smart door locks 🤢
rare condor
Meh if someone wanted to break in they could rip a roof tile or smash a window
more so I don't have to carry keys
clear ferry
I have to carry 5 keys and 35 access cards anyway
rare condor
fair
I want a world where I can walk home in my birthday suit open the door without the hinderance of keys.
clever mortar
I do kinda like the idea of a smart lock, but there's very few on the market that aren't snake oil, badly designed, or will work with a modern multi-point locking setup
ocean mirage
just dont lock your door
last dirge
@clever mortar you guys have those weird locks over there
clever mortar
Well, they're pretty EU normal
But the multi-point setup doesn't seem to be a thing "over the pond"
clear ferry
We do one regular lock and one security lock
Even though break-in is so rare that I can count the last year's reported ones on one hand
clever mortar
We've had a few around here, but those have been where idiots have left car keys sat in full view of a window at the front of the house
clear ferry
There has been one in our neighborhood the last 12 years, although it was just a car theft since the neighborhood left her keys in the car over night 
last plaza
Once in a while some guys walk over in the mid night and try to open the car doors that are parked outside for us. I think they are junkies looking for quick change.
But they never break windows or such. If it is open, they steal cash or loose change
clear ferry
Had a collegue have a breakin in his car, the forced the door open, left the money and phone but took his anti skid mat on the dash
low harness
Monsters!
green inlet
The 10.00 rubber thing that holds phones?
last plaza
These security cameras are not good for night vision - especially if the subject is too far
green inlet
Craziness
clear ferry
I can read the licence plate on one of my cars 8 meters away with my $20 camera
In night vision
green inlet
Facial identification is probably harder than license plates though
last plaza
This is what I could see...
clear ferry
That ain't bad at that distance
last plaza
Not very useful 🤣
My neighbors expect that I give them close up shots of these people every time something happens 🤣. They are good cameras, works well for day time. But not much for night time.
last plaza
I am the only guy in the cul-de-sac to have security cameras
last dirge
sentry mode?
last dirge
hope they're wearing their brown pants
last plaza
Why? Is brown pants like green pants for green screen or something?
last dirge
because they'll shit them
last plaza
🤣
last plaza
like in the Who is America episode. Pull down pants and run backwards screaming I am going to touch you!
green inlet
Oh man. I did that last night
scenic radish
Would you be surprised if I told you I have exactly 0 AR-15s?
last plaza
I cannot get enough of it.
scenic radish
I'll ✅ it out
last plaza
@last dirge should know it. The state representative is from his state.
dusk lodge
Can you flash stuff onto an Alexa?
last dirge
@last plaza eh?
green inlet
Love too....who is America?
dusk lodge
or can you at least theoretically do it even if there's no alternative assistant firmware to use on it
last dirge
Sasha Baron Cohen thing?
clear ferry
Is it possible to pull data from HA -> esp to display something on an oled display, I just got two displays I forgot in the mail
clever mortar
Push would be easy
clear ferry
Interesting 
scenic radish
Skalalalalava I think has some LED displays
clear ferry
But he's a right c#+nt
last plaza
Atx - use mqtt. Simple@and easy. I do that.
last plaza
Drop messages into mqtt from HA. Read messages from esp
green inlet
@dusk lodge #voice-assistants-archived
clear ferry
dusk lodge
@green inlet is that not for voice assistants to do with HA
green inlet
Isn’t the entire Home Assitant discord, HAss related?
If not #voice-assistants-archived , then #general-archived
dusk lodge
I mean there's no non-HA smart home discord worth joining afaik
clear ferry
last plaza
@last dirge the scotch brite and wd-40 worked amazing! I also restored an old crappy looking vise and restored it. Looks amazing now!
last plaza
It looked crappy, rusty and stuck...
scenic radish
@dusk lodge certainly not easily if it's even possible
clear ferry
That colour is amazing
unreal orbit
Good old American solution. WD-40 until it works
clear ferry
I wanted a Stratocaster in that colour once
unreal orbit
ocean mirage
I never thought people would care about the aesthetics of a vice
scenic radish
I much prefer silicone spray
clear ferry
Fender called it teal green
green inlet
Until it looks that good 😉
last plaza
low harness
Just don't use that silicone spray anywhere near anything you may ever want to paint.
last plaza
I also painted the drill press
clear ferry
low harness
Interesting. Those surfaces are not normally painted.
last plaza
Ooh, nice! Spray painted guitar?
last plaza
Interesting. Those surfaces are not normally painted.
@low harness it was full of rust. Haven’t used last year, it started to rust.
Let’s see what happens.
low harness
Yeah. What's the worst that could happen?
last plaza
That’s what I was thinking.
low harness
Paint stains on your work piece, I guess. 🤷
last plaza
I need to make sure my planer blades are not rusty. Have t used it for a few years now.
Ah! I can put blue/painters tape if it comes to that part.
My neighbor has a lathe and he makes pens. He wanted epoxy blank to make transparent pens. Need to make some epoxy blanks for him. May be add some food colors or glitter and see how it comes out.
last dirge
what did you clean the vice with after you scrubbed it?
last plaza
Mineral spirits
last dirge
I usually use good ol' brake cleaner
mineral spirits sometimes leaves some residue that'll mess with some types of paint
did you use enamel?
dusk lodge
well
it might be stupid, but it works
took the bowl thing off the end so it's just the socket and added an adapter
cheaper than buying a new lamp...
last plaza
I need to get brake cleaner. Never used that...
@dusk lodge looks nice! Is that an architect lamp?
clear ferry
Looks like a standard pedestal lamp in Europe
I've had a few of these as a kid, these days they can be had at $8 each
last dirge
@last plaza make sure you get the non-chlorinated kind
last plaza
My neighbor insisted that I get SeaFoam. Never used it, not going to put it in my bike. But maybe lawn mower.
dusk lodge
they usually look like these but I've unscrewed the bowl end and installed an adapter because I really couldn't be bothered to pay for a new lamp
plus, it tolerates 40W and my 800lm LED is only about 11W at most
last plaza
Cool
dusk lodge
thank
it looks SO much nicer to have two distinct smart bulbs running at once
every time I see a post on Reddit it looks cool because there's a mish mash of colours
but before this I only had one bulb in my main socket (lifx a19) so only one solid colour instead of a roomwide gradient
scenic radish
@low harness yeah I only use it on finished surfaces
dusk lodge
the desk bulb is an 800lm TP-Link LB130 I just happen to have because I had it years before my A19 and just happened to find it after thinking it was lost for ages
I might invest in a third bulb... any more I think would be unpleasant and overkill
one in my ceiling, one at the back and one at the front
last dirge
@last plaza don't really need it in a new bike
definitely use it before you store it and get the tank as full as you can get it
dusk lodge
my LED strips are due to arrive some time this week from Shenzhen
that should by my lighting endgame
partially because I am physically out of plug sockets
despite running an extension lead in every single socket :/
orchid rose
Yeah, houses weren't designed for all the stupid electronics we tend to put in them nowadays, I'm mostly out everywhere too
dusk lodge
Let me see...
I only have 3 physical sockets, but they're doubles, so let's say 6
I run 2 cube-style splitters in the left corner, for a total of 6 plugs
Then on the right corner... a 4-port and a very long 1-port that's solely to run my PC from, so that's 5 on that one
then my last one (desk socket) is 4-port and 10-port, so 14
so i'm running 25 ports from 3
fire hazard incoming
orchid rose
Not if you know what you're doing
dusk lodge
for the record, barely any of my items are actually high wattage though
PC takes about 350W, stereo has an inbuilt amp and preamp and is pretty loud so that definitely takes some power too but less than the PC
TV as well, probably 100W
Nothing else takes a significant amount unless you count my phone and laptop chargers with are both 65w each
and each socket I believe is 3kW via 240v13A
orchid rose
PC might take the 350W when gaming. Otherwise you'll most likely be significantly under that. Audio is probably somewhere around 50W max from my experience (my 5 speakers took about 30W at high listening volume)
dusk lodge
I guess I run a second TV bc I have two in my bedroom, but its not on at the same time as my other one usually
last plaza
@last dirge I use the one on right mostly.
dusk lodge
Yeah the stereo is 50W
input power that is
my mum tells me my room is "dangerous" and will "blow up", yet she runs an electric heater made in 2003 in her bedroom
2kW 🤔
orchid rose
Well it's not just Zoë's mum, but all of us that is surprised atx hasn't blown himself up yet
dusk lodge
mmm yeas
clear ferry
dusk lodge
7kW
clear ferry
💥
orchid rose
Also TIL that Norwegian salmon are the reason Chinese are getting covid
clear ferry
Fun fact norwegian salmon is fished in Norway, then sent to China for packing, then sent back to be sold in Norway
orchid rose
seems very reasonable
scenic radish
Dinner?! It's 13:05!
unreal orbit
9:39?? It's only 7:39!
clear ferry
Military time > muuuuurica time btw
Why do you only have useless measurements in the us?
unreal orbit
Meh, typing a leading 0 is not worth my time
scenic radish
Agreed, add that to the list of things I wish our country used
last plaza
lol
unreal orbit
I tried switching to a 24h clock. It did not go well
scenic radish
I used to use 24-hour time but not all my devices support it so it was annoying
unreal orbit
I switched it on all my devices ie phone, car, laptop, desktop
and then I would see an analog clock and my brain would go ?????
I never got past the point of doing math in my head to get a relative time
clear ferry
@hushed basalt the almost free daycare should be reason enough to convince your wife btw
scenic radish
🧐
unreal orbit
Not even S quality smh
scenic radish
Heh
Love the descriptions for USDA grades: https://www.ams.usda.gov/grades-standards/butter-grades-and-standards
unreal orbit
How does one become a "butter taster"
clear ferry
Mmmmm
General
For the commoners
That said, my wife says I'm strange because I lick the butter knife clean
unreal orbit
You're strange for many more reasons than just that
unreal orbit
strange != bad
unreal orbit
it's endearing 🤗
unreal orbit
Still better than most Americans
clear ferry
🤠 🤠
last dirge
englich
unreal orbit
Oh dang! Amazon is selling the PS5 early as an "air conditioner"!
Probably has excellent thermals
clear ferry
@clever mortar @deft pewter https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/gallery/best-advent-calendars
Make your wives happy
deft pewter
I like to think I make her happy all the time. She doesn't need an advent calendar 😄
deft pewter
The only things in that list she'd enjoy are the beauty calendars. Her mum already gets her the M&S beauty one every year, so I don't have to 😄
clear ferry
I want one too
deft pewter
The marshmallow one looks good.
clever mortar
Ah, I see the 💰 calendars...
clear ferry
Or anything with candy in it
unreal orbit
I'd rather just buy good chocolate and staple it to the calendar on our wall
deft pewter
The in-laws put together a decent hamper for me last Christmas. Bottles of spirits for cocktail making, along with all kinds of gourmet snacks they know I like.
Better than just getting an off-the-shelf hamper.
clear ferry
When can I travel to the UK again
unreal orbit
"hamper" is new slang to me, so I'll have to infer that it means "basket"
clear ferry
I haven't heard any bad news from the UK regarding covid lately
Is it flatting out there?
deft pewter
Yeah. A wicker basket full of food/drinks.
unreal orbit
Oh yeah, we call those "gift baskets"
deft pewter
It's slowing down, yes. Still plenty of deaths each day, and still loads of restrictions in place.
Non-essential shops opened this week... so expect a second wave soon 😄
clear ferry
We haven't had a death in two months now I think
deft pewter
42,153 dead so far here...
Our government waited too long to do anything.
184 since yesterday.
unreal orbit
We're seeing the potential start of a second wave already
deft pewter
Where are you, Villhellm?
unreal orbit
Well, California specifically