the-water-cooler

[last plaza]

Metric wars again?

[unreal orbit]

always

[last plaza]

Why can’t people accept freedom units and move on? 😝

[dull chasm]

nope they can have metric we can have our .....they just need to be happy

[forest edge]

lol freedom units

[last plaza]

Fractions are perfectly fine - every one loves it.

[hushed basalt]

Inch was standardised to 25.4mm in the 30s

[unreal orbit]

"everyone loves it"
Everyone: ...

[forest edge]

oh yea when needed a specific drill bit and your messing with the /64's it's stimulating for the mind

[hushed basalt]

https://youtu.be/gNRnrn5DE58

This is worth watching

[forest edge]

go fly a kite is a very acceptable measurement answer

[hushed basalt]

"homelabbers" who colocate their gear are weird af

I think if you're renting Units in a DC to host your homelab you might have an addiction

[forest edge]

lol 80% of American's feel America is out of control

don't think i've seen that high percentage of any poll the news of done on anything before

[unreal orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-5263684

[hushed basalt]

I don't follow the news much

Are people still rioting and looting

[forest edge]

actually I don't recall au being on the list of countries protesting lol

[hushed basalt]

Apparently so

[severe patio]

Guys, am I allowed to flag posts about "i CaNt FiNd ThE aPp iN aPpStOrE" posts in the forum or is there a better way?

Or should I just link every other post with the exact same question?

[unreal orbit]

I would just link to an answer

[severe patio]

👍

[brazen fable]

@hushed basalt at that point it's no longer a home lab. Lol

[cloud cairn]

hello! can someone direct me to the channel that is best of nabu casa support?

[clever mortar]

#cloud-archived

[clear ferry]

This one always cracks me up @unreal orbit

https://images.app.goo.gl/j8kt3v7NcsBhZDnS9

[dull chasm]

this cracks me up too

[unreal orbit]

Imagine thinking GDP is in any way related to our measurement system

[scenic radish]

I h8 our units of measurement but doubt I'll be able to move away from them

[clear ferry]

just make it a two year protest movement

WHAT DO WE WANT

METRICS

WHEN DO WE WANT IT

CENTIMETERS ?

@dull chasm china is past the US pretty soon anyway 🤣

[unreal orbit]

Probably 2020

[clear ferry]

most likely

[last plaza]

Problem is, we don’t know who to slap to change the unit system in America. I am sure it will be a YUGE impact!

[wet pilot]

they tried it for distances a while ago

[last plaza]

Bigly impact. The impact will be so big, bigger than the biggest one.

[clear ferry]

It will be a great impact

One of my finest

[last plaza]

they tried it for distances a while ago
@wet pilot how far did they go? Get it? Far and distance? 😊

[clear ferry]

[wet pilot]

heh

[forest edge]

lol i come back and the written/vocal form of describing one's peepee's size is still on topic?

[clear ferry]

It's so much easier in meters than in feet

[forest edge]

inches! feet! or in atx's case millimeters!

[unreal orbit]

I mean

you can measure long distances in millimeters too

[last plaza]

It would be like Japanese yen. How much is a cup of coffee? Two million yens.

[forest edge]

that would drive me nuts

sorry, not enough room on my check for all the zero's to pay for this snickers bar

[last plaza]

lol

[last dirge]

aren't yen like 10:1 with USD?

[clear ferry]

Yen isn't too bad, it's only 10x NOK, same as USD, worse with turkish lire, I think I paid 2 million for a pack of gum

oh it might be 100x NOK

[forest edge]

what you get when your first penny was made out of beachwood i guess

[clear ferry]

no it's the other way around, one YEN is 0.086NOK

1USD is 9.26NOK

[last plaza]

Do their numbers start at million instead of 1?

[clear ferry]

oh the turkish lira has stabilized, it is only 1.36NOK now

Iranian Rial appears to be the lowest valued currency now

[last plaza]

Everything is million and above. They might as well start their numbers at million. Like decimal, it would be millinum

[clear ferry]

1 RIAL == 0.00022 NOK 🤣

[wet pilot]

Venezuela

[last plaza]

What the hell is a NOK?

🤣

[clear ferry]

oooofff 1 bolivar == 0,000047 NOK

funny since the norwegian country code is 47

[last plaza]

Oh boy, Venezuela is a different story with bolivars.

[wet pilot]

yup. hyper-inflation is a bitch

[last plaza]

Socialist country.

[wet pilot]

nah, just over-reliance on oil

[clear ferry]

have you got your socialist money from the US government yet btw ?

[last dirge]

what's the RIAL to BTC conversion rate?

I have not gotten my socialism check

I make too much

[clear ferry]

booo 👎

[last dirge]

my wife did get the socialism check though

[last plaza]

It is time to distribute your money equally with people who don’t work @last dirge

[clear ferry]

what is the limit ?

[last dirge]

I don't make that much

[wet pilot]

we file jointly and even though i'm over, my wife was enough under that we got the full thing

[last plaza]

I think the limit is $190k

[last dirge]

we have to file separate due to her stupid student loans

@last plaza then I definitely should've gotten a check

[clear ferry]

So Brian makes above $190k a year ?

🤣

[last dirge]

do you have to ask for it or does it just show up?

[last plaza]

You will get a check even if you make above $190k - if you have kids.

[last dirge]

no kids

[last plaza]

It should show up.

[last dirge]

only dogs

[last plaza]

That might be it.

Not the dogs. But no kids.

[forest edge]

if you didn't tie your bank account to the irs account then you will wait quite awhile

[last dirge]

my wife got a paper check

[wet pilot]

i think the threshold is a lot lower for single filers

like 75k or so for it to start reducing

[clear ferry]

you don't need a check Brian, you are making over 190k already!

🤣

[last dirge]

@wet pilot that's what I thought

what's the stupid acronym for this thing?

[last plaza]

Those who did e-file with automatic bank deposits, the money should have deposited in their accounts.

[clear ferry]

But I thought you were all getting paper checks, because Trumpf demanded to have his name on them

[wet pilot]

you could have also filled out a form on the IRS site and they'd direct deposit

nah, just sent an incoherent letter

[forest edge]

crayon and animal stickers

[last dirge]

bigass sharpie |/|/||

I did get that PPP money though

[clear ferry]

Mein Drumpf

[last plaza]

He sent letters with his signature on it.

[clear ferry]

Big PPP money brian ?

[last dirge]

decent PPP

not smol PPP for sure

[last plaza]

There you go!

[clear ferry]

mmmm smol ppp

for that short time dialup

[last dirge]

I gotta remember to figure out how to apply to have that forgiven

PPTP for that ADSL goodness

[clear ferry]

too modern

[last dirge]

NOOT NOOT

[clear ferry]

aaah installing my new jump server

[last dirge]

jump server?

[clear ferry]

the old one was a machine I have migrated around for 15 years

[last dirge]

bastion host?

[last plaza]

Why dedicate a server for jump server. You can use a low power device like RPi.

[clear ferry]

it's a VM 🤣

It hasn't been physical since... 2009

but power is so cheap here I wouldn't care much anyway 🤣

[forest edge]

but power is so cheap here I wouldn't care much anyway 🤣
@clear ferry you know there are places where power is limited in the world and here you just squander it like it's nothing

[clear ferry]

yes, you know, third world countries like the US 😜

[forest edge]

one day you will lose your power and no one will feel pity for you

[clear ferry]

I did have a power outage in 2010 that lasted 2 days 🤔

[forest edge]

I bet you were lost and terrified

[clear ferry]

Nah, it was winter though, so had to use the fireplace

Still had 4G and tablets, so watched TV for two days

[forest edge]

fireplace? i thought you all came out with sasquatch fur to not need any heat source lol

[last plaza]

Watched TV with firewood?

[forest edge]

still convinced this is what norwegians are really like. https://youtu.be/uHWJJ4BsHQw

[last plaza]

We got some hand sanitizer yesterday, two big bottles, not the gel kind. It is like water, but smells like gas/petrol! Hate it!

[forest edge]

lol

[last plaza]

Watch out when you buy. Lots of off brand crappy sanitizers in the market.

[forest edge]

we're still looking for lysol

[clear ferry]

we have mostly one brand in norway

Antibac

[last plaza]

Looking for this Sonoma?

[unreal orbit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqbn7oxXh38

[last plaza]

lol

[last dirge]

I finally figured out a problem I'd been chasing for 2 weeks

yay

[last plaza]

Smart! Only took 2 weeks? 😝

[last dirge]

I went from using version 1.7 of a framework to 9.1

turns out, a few things changed

[last plaza]

Java?

[last dirge]

Angular

[last plaza]

I hate the compatibility issues in Java.

Ah! Same with Angular too.

[last dirge]

eh, compatibility is mostly fine since 8

they completely changed how Angular's forms work in version 4 though

[last plaza]

The npm build fail errors are not very helpful.

[last dirge]

and it took me that long to re-train my brain

I use the angular CLI, works well

[last plaza]

I always clean and run it fresh.

Not worth wasting time in figuring out.

[last dirge]

now I'm trying to troubleshoot my automation that's not working

[unreal orbit]

#automations-archived 😉

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

@last dirge NO HOME ASSISTANT SUPPORT HERE (look at the other channels for that). NO POLITICS OR RELIGION!

BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

Command '.topic' was invoked by: skalavala

[last plaza]

🤣

What automations are you writing in angular?

[last dirge]

nothing in angular

[steel urchin]

heh angular 1.7->1.9 had a lot of changes, and then 2.0 was a complete rewrite from the ground up

hmmm... got a new router, but for some reason port forwarding does NOT seem to want to work, and it's pissing me off

[scenic radish]

feeling daring... trying out the latest home assistant dev build now

shockscream

shocks cream?

sounds tasty

[unreal orbit]

Sounds zappy

[clear ferry]

[dull chasm]

🇺🇸

[last dirge]

@steel urchin I wrote all of my angular 1.x stuff in directives so it was more like 2+

but the change from template based forms to reactive forms was WAY out of my comfort zone

and it took me a while for it to click

[steel urchin]

well that's not only inefficient, but not really the point of angular's architecture changes

[last dirge]

what?

I wrote my stuff to behave like components in angular 2+, encapsulated directives with isolated scopes

the problem I was having with 9 was that when I nested forms the status wasn't passed to the parent

had to learn how to properly do that in reactive forms so it was reported properly

[clear ferry]

https://i.imgur.com/d7oJuUd.jpg

[wet pilot]

heh sometimes it feels that way

[hoary wasp]

A frequent refrain from a co-worker of mine

"if you know a parenthesis is missing, why don't you just put one there!" to pl/sql developer

[scenic radish]

because it wants you to feel stupid

[hoary wasp]

heheh

[clear ferry]

Even better, the syntax of brocade FOS is very straightforward, however if your write alicreate aliname,wwn1;wwn2;wwn3 it will refuse to do it and spit back did you mean alicreate "aliname","wwn1;wwn2;wwn3" and my face will go like this

[hearty depot]

Good one https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/06/08/92f6135a3766d814.mp4

[hushed basalt]

Fantastic

[tidal bronze]

@steel urchin did you play today ?

[steel urchin]

play what?

today i was scratching my head wondering why my new router was acting like shit, and it turned out a firmware update flashed to the modem about 30min before i started tinkering with everything, and the solution was to factory reset the modem and then re-configure (which is mostly just disabling every single feature)

[tidal bronze]

Oh lol. Market was great.

[steel urchin]

yeah.... FOMO for sure

[tidal bronze]

Got 126% return on UAL. Stoked

Can buy a few more sensors now. 😀

[steel urchin]

nice

[tidal bronze]

CCL 86% 😂

[steel urchin]

yeah, i have been bogged down by other crap i've been needing to do and research :S

[undone aspen]

Wooo... Got my Nortek GoControl Z-Sticks today. 😄

[tidal bronze]

Taking a 2 week break after today.

[undone aspen]

Oooh... cp210x converter now attached to ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1 😄

[steel urchin]

i need to get back into it, but i have so many projects going on it's redic

i've been reviving a few bricked routers lately as well lol

[tidal bronze]

I think there is more to go in this week.

[steel urchin]

got some usb-ttl cables in finally

[undone aspen]

Hmmm.. I wonder if Minneapolis will actually... "disband" the police. Kinda a wierd thought.

LOL okay this is funny.

I also got my GoControl Motion PIR, which is specifically slightly downward slanted, but circuit board has an add-on module for a temperature sensor SMD mounted, and it has the exact same jumper switches as the Ecolink motion sensor with PET1, PET2, and Test. But they provide no jumper cable.

jumper pin.

Ahh, nevermind it was in the box. LOL

[forest edge]

@steel urchin did you figure out what the new firmware fixed/changed/broke?

[undone aspen]

Also a little funny. The GoControl motion sensor back does have the keyhold molds in the case design, just not cut out. Same design as the Ecolink.

[tidal bronze]

I like the ecolink ones.

Reliable and battery life is extremely good

[undone aspen]

Yeah, me too. I had started to get Aeotec ones, but I ended up returning all of them, including their door sensors, and got all Ecolink sensors.

They're beefier and bulkier... but, consistent battery type/size is a great thing, along with long battery life because they don't try to jam pack everything into it.

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze do you like a set day on the calendar where you go around once a month/year and replace all 40 million sensor batteries? lol

[undone aspen]

But, the 10' tilt on this motion PIR is probably exactly what I needed to get the right adjustment for my hallway.

[rain swift]

just add MOAR sensors.

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge lol not really I have a backup sensor for each area

[forest edge]

lmao

[undone aspen]

Moaaaar sensors! Soon my house will know every single step you make!

I mean, it's already trying to help me try to takeover the world!

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze I wonder when it's time for you to purchase new batteries from amazon if it triggers some red light due to the bulk amount lmao

[undone aspen]

Sorry. Disregard that last statement. My house just reminded me I shouldn't say that publicaly.

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge once a year I check battery levels. I don't even have alerts for them. Now most are GE in wall

[forest edge]

some analyst does a pie chart of battery usage across the country and most of the sections are labeled like residential, commercial etc and then you see Quadflight as this huge chunk lol

[undone aspen]

I still want to know why the f amazon told me I've reached my limit buying Ecolink door/window sensors, last month. I only bought 6.

And it would not let me buy any more!

Not even 1!

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge lmao dude.

Most battery ones are decommissioned now. Waiting for some AC powered outdoor ones from GE or Jasco

[forest edge]

can't make your own?

[tidal bronze]

Nopes. Don't want to. DIY days are behind me.

[scenic radish]

My game room where all my wireless radios are at probably appears as a hotbed of radio activity

Is it normal to feel constant vibrations while in a room?

[undone aspen]

Heh. My DIY days are just getting more and more. Heck, with my table saw, jigs, router, etc, all coming back out to play, I can make all sorts of new things, with wood, plastic, or metal. 🙂

[scenic radish]

I can't make shit

[tidal bronze]

I used to be all about DIY. Right now I try to enjoy the time rather than frustrated tinkering. 😀

Plus retail Vs diy sensor price difference is negligible

[scenic radish]

Yeah, is DIY that much cheaper than buying off-the-shelf stuff?

Ah, answered.

[tidal bronze]

Nopes

[scenic radish]

So it's just for funsies then

[tidal bronze]

Yep. 3 years ago it made sense not anymore.

[forest edge]

well..

[scenic radish]

Ah interesting

[forest edge]

with the cloud.. it still make sense lol

[tidal bronze]

Oh no, no cloud stuff here. All primary is zw and the throw away ones or backup are zigbee

[forest edge]

you see that Tediore? zigbee > throwaway

[scenic radish]

Ehh, everyone's entitled to their opinion

I like my Zigbee stuff

[tidal bronze]

Nothing wrong with them of course. At that price it's disposable

[forest edge]

I can't justify the cost of either lol

[scenic radish]

Wdym?

[tidal bronze]

I think i buy at $7.60 a motion sensor

[forest edge]

that sounds high to me

but then freaking rf door sensors are like 10 bucks these days

like wtf

[scenic radish]

That's like 1/4 the cost of any zwave one lol

[tidal bronze]

I mean tha aqara motio with lux and temp

[scenic radish]

The wyze sensors are crazy cheap. $5 contact and $6 motion sensors

[forest edge]

not including your 100 bucks zwave stick lol

[scenic radish]

Proprietary freq though

[tidal bronze]

Goal this year is to remove all battery sensors.

[scenic radish]

And proprietary hub, naturally. It's tiny though

[tidal bronze]

Thats a tall order though 🤣

[scenic radish]

Yeah, good luck with that lol

[forest edge]

without running wires don't see how that would be possible

[tidal bronze]

I am 70% there.

[forest edge]

you plan to install a million new outlets in the home?

heck even the wired reed switches are like 10 bucks

[scenic radish]

Don't need to be outlets

[tidal bronze]

https://byjasco.com/ge-z-wave-plus-smart-motion-switch

Replaced most of the old zwave dimmers and switches with these.

[scenic radish]

That's a good idea. Holy hell is that expensive though

[tidal bronze]

Best move I did, so headache free and just works.

[forest edge]

I wonder what the real longevity of those are

[scenic radish]

Yeah, buy nice or buy it twice I guess

Eleventy @forest edge

[tidal bronze]

Lol.

Relays would obviously have a MTF but dimmers I think should last some time.

[scenic radish]

LANGUAGE!

[forest edge]

I just picture recent fancy switches being made worse than ones made like 10 years ago etc

[tidal bronze]

I have zw stuff from 7 - 10 yrs ago. Might have 2 or 3 failures. Not bad at all.

[scenic radish]

Reminds me, we started to add a suffix to certain products that we produce...and someone thought it'd be a good idea for it to be MFR

Then again, I guess MFG is only a little better

[forest edge]

your warped mind is not the acronyms problem

[scenic radish]

But at least MFG is a common abbreviation for manufacturing

[tidal bronze]

So cool when switches look like brand new after years.

[forest edge]

oh? your fingers not as gross as mine?

[tidal bronze]

They are never ever used. I even don't know what switch is what

[forest edge]

lmao

yup quad will one day be trapped in his own home when the tech breaks down

how do you "turn" a knob again?

[tidal bronze]

It happened to me seriously..... last week was moving HA to a new nuc, was looking for the balcony light switch and gave up.

[forest edge]

lol

you might havve an addiction..

[tidal bronze]

You think 🤣

Last time I used that switch might be a year or more

You can't blame me

[forest edge]

1-800-LUV-TECH ext 2MUCH

[rain swift]

I go to my wife's parent's and i'm like how do I turn this light off? oh yeah, I have to walk over to the lamp and reach under it, eeewww.

[forest edge]

install the clapper.. problem solved

https://tenor.com/view/clapper-applause-clap-gif-7856315

[rain swift]

or bring your own smart bulb with bluetooth..

[tidal bronze]

Although I wish GA was more intuitive

[forest edge]

GA?

[rain swift]

google assistant?

[forest edge]

ah

[tidal bronze]

Waiting for the day google turn off x in x minutes.

[rain swift]

haha

that would be kinda nice.

[steel urchin]

I looked on the official forums and the last comment was one saying it added the ability to disable the IR switch

[tidal bronze]

Or interrupt automatioms.

[forest edge]

@steel urchin lol

[tidal bronze]

Tired of million Input boolean

[velvet horizon]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/input_boolean/

Command '.flippy_boi' was invoked by: Tediore

[forest edge]

@steel urchin they are going to disable the ability for people to use set commands with thier api at some point.. which is why i won't update lol

[tidal bronze]

Google set patio timeout to 45 minutes 😜

[forest edge]

Google flush toilet after next occupancy trigger

[tidal bronze]

Yep.

[forest edge]

Google make toast lol

[tidal bronze]

But hey I can display weather radar image though. Cool

[forest edge]

lol

I got my mom one of those google pucks. not sure if she is still using it but I never really liked voice stuff

too anti social even for a gadget

[tidal bronze]

We rarely interact but sometimes I wish GA can be used to change things. Pointless asking it to turn and and off lights. So 1976

[scenic radish]

"hey Google, am I handsome?"
"You're absolutely perfect."

[tidal bronze]

@scenic radish you are questioning the wrong entity

[scenic radish]

Heh

"Hey $FIANCEE, am I handsome?"

[tidal bronze]

System is having messeage delivery failures

[scenic radish]

Yes it is

[forest edge]

@scenic radish you probably got something set up to where when you say, "Bow Chicka Wow Wow" it sets some kind of mood lighting and romantic music and prints out the recipe for Grand Sauce

[tidal bronze]

🤣

[steel urchin]

@forest edge what API?

[forest edge]

@steel urchin the doorbell has an api

[scenic radish]

If the star wars cantina music on a loop is "romantic music" then yes

[forest edge]

it's how i control it

[steel urchin]

I've never seen one mentioned

Do you have a reference?

Could be fun to tinker with

[forest edge]

@steel urchin https://s3.amazonaws.com/amcrest-files/Amcrest+HTTP+API+3.2017.pdf

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge I might actually setup a script with that. Turn on bow chicka wow wow

[forest edge]

lol

[scenic radish]

You could make a routine that uses the phrase "bow chicka wow wow"

Then you don't need to say "turn on..."

I have an "initiate lockdown" routine that arms the security system lol

[tidal bronze]

Oh damn. Lockdown huh ?

Guess you don't tale your romances lightly

[forest edge]

I have an "initiate lockdown" routine that arms the security system lol
@scenic radish I just pictured some strange woman entering your place and you saying that and all she hears is the deadbolt lock lmao

[steel urchin]

Sweet, I'll take a gander

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/5cfd38438ad83df1ed1c87388a6699af/tenor.gif

[tidal bronze]

Can't wait till these guys do the solar installation

Anyone using a enphase envoy?

[scenic radish]

You're getting solar panels installed?

[tidal bronze]

Yes. 3rd one.

[forest edge]

lol i watched one of those videos where elon gave away the roof solar panel thing where they redid like a few people's homes in cali and used those integrated panels and one of the people were like, "my electric bill was over $800/m and now with solar i'm only paying over $500/m" and I about choked

[tidal bronze]

Prices have gone down so much.

Oh no nothing Tesla

[forest edge]

I pay like $70-$110 a month lol

thats a 4 story house

I would die if my bill was anywhere around 500 lol

[tidal bronze]

Tesla solar deal is a joke.

[forest edge]

does look neat tho

you can't even tell you havve solar panels

well from the ground anyways

[rain swift]

everything costs a lot, in commiefornia, my bill is like 150 I think.

does that mean solar will pay me a couple hundred a month? lol.

[scenic radish]

I think my highest power bill in the summer has been $80

[forest edge]

its weird cause cali has the most renewable energy farms of any other state too lol

[rain swift]

mine could be cheaper but I like climate control too much.

[scenic radish]

I keep the AC at 74 during the day, 71 overnight

[tidal bronze]

@rain swift there is no pay back anymore. Even net metering is messed up now. Thankfully LA still makes sense.

[rain swift]

we like to roll about 63 at night lol.

[forest edge]

@scenic radish I would sweat in your 4 walled box lol

[rain swift]

then the only reason for me to run solar would be to go off grid.

and a week later some goon would be banging on your door, you can't go off grid boy!

[tidal bronze]

Off grid makes no sense as of yet. When panel cost hits under $1/W would be a good time.

[rain swift]

no catching water neither!

[hushed basalt]

Reduce your overall consumption, move loads to the daytime, then size your solar system

[rain swift]

I want a system I can use electricity the way I want. 😄

[hushed basalt]

I see so many people throw massive solar packages at their powerbill and don't do steps 1 and 2

That's called the grid

[rain swift]

like, if it can't give me what I get from the grid then f it lol

[scenic radish]

@forest edge what are your setpoints for AC?

[rain swift]

if I wanna save money and suffer, I can live in a tent.

[hushed basalt]

Do you have a whole house power meter

It's not about going without it's about going smart

[forest edge]

offset with a few of these lol https://www.in-depthoutdoors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/HamsterInWheel.jpg

[hushed basalt]

I'd put a whole house power meter on and look at the data

[rain swift]

so you can sit on your death bed and be like......I saved money on electricity...... dies

[forest edge]

@scenic radish 70 during the day and I turn it down to 65 at night

[scenic radish]

Good lord

[hushed basalt]

Put it in grafana and overlay it with an outdoor illumination sensor

[tidal bronze]

67 at all times.

[scenic radish]

My AC would probably never turn off if I had it at 65

[hushed basalt]

.f2c 65

[velvet horizon]

:thermometer:

Fahrenheit To Celsius

65 degrees fahrenheit = 18.33 degrees celsius!

[rain swift]

mines on 72 right now, and not running.

we have good insulation though.

[hushed basalt]

.f2c 72

[velvet horizon]

:thermometer:

Fahrenheit To Celsius

72 degrees fahrenheit = 22.22 degrees celsius!

[forest edge]

uh sure it would.. chicago isn't exactly known for it's desert climate lol

[rain swift]

thats prolly worth more than solar, or should be in conjunction with

[tidal bronze]

@rain swift size of your AC ?

[hushed basalt]

I'd recommend everyone to have a whole house power meter regardless

We are home automation enthusiasts after all

[rain swift]

hell if I know, will it say that on the side lol

[tidal bronze]

Lol.

[rain swift]

I will have whole house power metering when I own, I rent right now.

[tidal bronze]

Oh OK.

[scenic radish]

@hushed basalt will you buy me one?

[hushed basalt]

I can send you a picture of one

That should be close enough

[tidal bronze]

@hushed basalt whole house makes little sense when calculating for solar. Yearly usage is what you need.

[forest edge]

yea @hushed basalt you must pay AU prices and also pay shipping

[scenic radish]

@forest edge now I'm curious. It takes about an hour to go from 75-71 depending on the day's heat load

Naturally it would take longer to go from 71-67

[hushed basalt]

You can monitor any metric you want with your own data logging

But time of use is important

[forest edge]

@scenic radish piss poor insulation?

[tidal bronze]

No time of use here.

So makes little sense.

[hushed basalt]

Getting solar won't help much if 90% of your kwh usage is at night

[tidal bronze]

Yearly consumption and production is whats needed.

Might be different there.

[hushed basalt]

But that doesn't tell you what you're using when the sun is shining

[tidal bronze]

That does not matter.

[hushed basalt]

How does it not matter?

[tidal bronze]

We don't calculate like that.

[scenic radish]

@forest edge insulation is fine but I'm on the second floor

[hushed basalt]

You don't get anything for feed ins here

[scenic radish]

And the condenser is 20 years old lol

[hushed basalt]

The only way you save money is by reducing your import

[forest edge]

@scenic radish tell your old neighbor lady below she needs to turn her thermostat down from 95? lmao

[tidal bronze]

@hushed basalt yearly consumption Vs production and you get year end or quarterly bill.

[hushed basalt]

It doesn't work like that here

[tidal bronze]

I know.

San Diego is like there.

Which is messed up

[hushed basalt]

It's 6c for export and 25-45c for import

[tidal bronze]

LA is still total consumption Vs production

[hushed basalt]

Lucky

[tidal bronze]

Yep.

[hushed basalt]

Guys here got on an early rebate scheme where they get 45c export gross

And pay 25c import

That was when 1.5kw cost like $15000 though

[tidal bronze]

Most cities are going TOU. I want to get the systems installed now so will get grandfathered in.

[forest edge]

this is why my HA instance is simple.. all this new tracking of data would make my head hurt and prevent me from being able to watch porn

[hushed basalt]

https://media.tenor.com/images/d85d9f198d6b18d52267ef60314e7220/tenor.gif

Need to study

Ban.self(hours=8)

[scenic radish]

@hushed basalt no don't, come back

[hushed basalt]

Need to get myself banned.

snape kills dumbledore

[tidal bronze]

@hushed basalt seen any bus bar compatible CTs?

[hushed basalt]

I think you asked that before

[tidal bronze]

Lol still looking

[hushed basalt]

@rare condor may be better to ask

[rare condor]

Yo

[hushed basalt]

Can you just access the conductor feeding the busbar upstream

[tidal bronze]

Bus bar is the only way for this install.

Or I need to get special permission to access service side.

[rare condor]

Using a CT clamp on a bus bar is not common practice (speaking as an industrial PLC tech)

[tidal bronze]

They are specific ones for them. Very expensive

Looking for a cheaper alternative

[forest edge]

talking for power metering?

[rare condor]

I can't think of a context in a residential setting where you wouldn't be able to access a cable?

What are you trying to measure and where?

[tidal bronze]

Consumption

[forest edge]

100amp line clamps is all you need

[tidal bronze]

No place to clamp is the problem.

[forest edge]

? has to be

[tidal bronze]

Nopes.

[forest edge]

line comes into the panel somehow

lines

[hushed basalt]

Man working around HV substations would be scary AF

[tidal bronze]

Service side is on the bottom of the house panel. @forest edge from that point onwards all bus bars

[forest edge]

living next to one with kids is even scarier

[tidal bronze]

Lol.

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze take a picture

[hushed basalt]

More the fact that if you get too close you'll end up becoming an arc path

[tidal bronze]

Just like the bottom

[hushed basalt]

That's a sketchy install

Look at all that bare copper top left

[ocean mirage]

gotta let it breathe

[tidal bronze]

Not mine example.

[hushed basalt]

Yeah i figured. But I hate shitty work

Don't look at my rack right now
https://media.tenor.com/images/adb4c3dfc1552fb064d3d300959b4c56/tenor.gif

[tidal bronze]

https://www.taehwatrans.com/Split-core_CT/Busbar-Split-core_CT.php

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze so somehow your meter is on the other side of this panel and there is no visual sign of the line that connect the two?

[tidal bronze]

They are all locked from meter down. Meter onwards no wire all bus bar

[hushed basalt]

Have you tried hacking the mainframe

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze you Californians and your weird reinventing of the wheel lol

[hushed basalt]

Also does your utility meter have a pulse light

[tidal bronze]

I dont think so.

[hushed basalt]

You could esp32cam and ocr the meter numbers too haha

Take a photo of your meter

[tidal bronze]

Oh lol.

Going to get access the hard way I guess.

[hushed basalt]

If you can use a pulse counter that's probably the easiest

[summer pelican]

hey all where's the best place to discuss MQTT discovery -- zigbee/zwave not a perfect fit though most related?

[scenic radish]

#integrations-archived prolly

[summer pelican]

thx

[faint shell]

hi 🙂 new to HASS 🙂

[last dirge]

yay

YouTube changed and AdBlock doesn't block the ads

[faint shell]

YouTube changed and AdBlock doesn't block the ads
@last dirge have you used pihole?

[last dirge]

yeah, I've got a pihole

but the pihole never blocked youtube ads

[faint shell]

yeah the "in-video" they are not stopped 😦

[last dirge]

time to give uBlock a try

[unreal orbit]

ublock origin is working fine for me

[last dirge]

you in the US?

[unreal orbit]

yup

[last dirge]

do you see the pre-video ads that are all white screen with a blue button?

[unreal orbit]

Nope, I haven't seen any preroll ads

[last dirge]

what browser?

[unreal orbit]

Chrome

[last dirge]

LOL

[unreal orbit]

ublock != ublock origin

[last dirge]

Jessie is apparently EOL

now to jump through hoops to update

did you do any tweaking of ublock origin?

[unreal orbit]

Nope

[forest edge]

been using ublock origin for quite awhile

does great with youtube. although sometimes youtube changes something and may take ublock a day to adjust for it

[last dirge]

starting a distro update at 11:45 was a bad idea

[wet pilot]

Lol

From what to what?

[last dirge]

Jessie to Buster

speedin along here

[wet pilot]

Lol damn

[last dirge]

damnit

I can't just leave it either

my computer will go to sleep and kill the ssh session

[wet pilot]

Probably need to re-pick your repo

[last dirge]

it's a pi, that's why it's so damn slow

[wet pilot]

Oh, Ctrl+z b-g

[last dirge]

I can't background a distro update, can I?

[wet pilot]

I don't see why not

[last dirge]

is a new shell going to be able to foreground it later?

[wet pilot]

Should be able to

Worth testing one of these days

[last dirge]

it would've been faster to download the image, flash that, and set pihole up again from scratch

about to turn off sleep mode and yolo it

[scenic radish]

debian 8 to 10 huh?

[odd mason]

is google slow af for anyone else?

[clear ferry]

No

[odd mason]

completely down for me

[clear ferry]

Probably a good sign of the introduction of dictatorship

Or a shitty ISP

[odd mason]

lol everything else works

[clear ferry]

@last dirge lol background upgrade, just use OOBM ;-)

[odd mason]

but i like the extreme interpretations

https://downdetector.com/status/google/

[clear ferry]

Probably the reporters of it being down are all located in the same geographic or sociopolitical area

[odd mason]

yea im in atl area

it really shows how many sites use google backend

no sites that use googlefonts are working..so annoying, i got a project due tomorrow

[wet pilot]

I've had some inconsistent behavior on my Google devices and services in the past hour or so

[clear ferry]

Working on important stuff in the cloud 🤢

[wet pilot]

Meh, nothing important

[clear ferry]

Was thinking more of Google Fonts

I never store nor edit anything in the cloud, it all happens local for me, then gets saved in two different cloud stores when I'm done

[odd mason]

googlefonts, ajax.googleapi

hopefully this will show sites they need to stop dependency on google

a man can dream

[clear ferry]

I'm glad I mostly work with customers who say no to the cloud

Or actually will never run in the cloud

[odd mason]

i store stuff backups in the cloud but it's all encrypted

[rare condor]

I ordered a UAP-AC-LITE and a NANO-HD arrived.

Should I be happy?

[scenic radish]

Uh, yeah

[rare condor]

ok.

[scenic radish]

I mean no, I'll trade you my ac lite for it

[rare condor]

They also sent me a Camera

I ordered one POE adapter and UAC LITE

I got a camera and NANO HD

Whoever manages the orders is pretty woeful

[scenic radish]

Heh apparently

You didn't need the PoE injector if you bought a single pack, it comes with one

What router do you have?

[hushed basalt]

Shitty order picking process

Sounds like there's no barcode checking step in there

[rare condor]

EdgeRouter X

[scenic radish]

I also have an ER-X (and an AC lite)

That plus the AC lite seems to be a popular combo

[odd mason]

i sold all my unifi equipment except the APs and moved to pfsense

been working great

[scenic radish]

Finally found a use for my raspberry pi 3B+... WiFi to Ethernet bridge so I can wirelessly connect a device that doesn't have WiFi

Through some magic in this post the device is even on the same subnet as the one the pi is on: https://willhaley.com/blog/raspberry-pi-wifi-ethernet-bridge/

It's a very low-bandwidth device so nobody freak out

[clear ferry]

Unifi

What device is it though @scenic radish ?

[clear ferry]

Aah three days paid leave because my wife has her final exam of the year, maybe I'll finally get the last stuff on my list done around the house

[light trout]

Probably not

[clear ferry]

@fading zodiac lamp for my daughter's room, integrated with home assistant to make it trigger based on nearby lightning if needed

[fading zodiac]

(i have this chat on mute).

Thats nice

[clear ferry]

But I have to remake it anyway, because the spray glue I used smells too much

[fading zodiac]

😂

No firehazard?

[clear ferry]

Need to find something less smelly

Clouds https://imgur.com/gallery/KcjCt69

Build pictures in this gallery

[fading zodiac]

No firehazard?

[clear ferry]

Not really, the PSU is oversized, so it doesn't even get lukewarm, and the glue and wadding are both arts and craft stuff, so should be safe

Just smelly

[fading zodiac]

The the lamps 🙂

But i really love the shade it has

the darker parts

[clear ferry]

It's ws2812 and wled, so can do anything you like really

I only filmed one effect sadly

[forest edge]

Clouds https://imgur.com/gallery/KcjCt69
@clear ferry did you capture a unicorn fart or something?

[clear ferry]

Was just a video of your freedom leaving the atmosphere @forest edge

this was the strangest page I've seen in a while, strange advertisments, wonky selfies 🤔 https://edywerder.ch/fail2ban-email-notification/ I just searched for fail2ban notification 🤣

I finally decided to move my jump server to port 22 because of so many customers blocking non-standard ports

so I thought I'd better get fail2ban up and running

🤣

[forest edge]

want to be notified when the Chinese hack your stuff do you lol

[hearty depot]

get it to listen to udp:53
Free internet over captive portals

but I advice against mail notification 😛 you ll be spamd soooo hard

[clear ferry]

Vacation day fun times

[clear ferry]

@hearty depot 22 is usually open with it customers, because it's in their nature

[hearty depot]

:53 is only for hotel wifi 😛

[jade tartan]

just updated and got this

[clever mortar]

.topic @jade tartan

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

@jade tartan NO HOME ASSISTANT SUPPORT HERE (look at the other channels for that). NO POLITICS OR RELIGION!

BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[clever mortar]

See #integrations-archived 😉

[jade tartan]

thx bud

[mellow girder]

hahaha. Anyone want to hear how fun my night is?

I just fat fingered a MV....

sudo mv /* /etc/lirc/

just a heads up dont do that

it is not a good idea

[clever mortar]

😂

[mellow girder]

and since i rebooted and moved the stuff the wrong way... it is almost impossible to repair

[hushed basalt]

Terminals are dangerous things

I'm not sure how that compares to rm -rf /

[clever mortar]

Sadly that's been disabled in recent Linux systems

chmod -R / 666 works though

[hushed basalt]

sadly

[clever mortar]

Yes 😄

[hearty depot]

--no-preserve-root and it works

[hushed basalt]

That's what I like about having your systems on vms with configuration management

And your storage backed with snapshots and backups

Not too disasterous if you accidentally Tediore your system

[hearty depot]

what confm?
woow - much denglich

[hushed basalt]

I use ansible atm but it's not fantastic

I've heard good things about salt

[hearty depot]

same 😄

yea - for example that the thing got a nice CVE wich let all cindes of ackers into your network

[hushed basalt]

I think I might put 2 x 1TB ssds in each of my nodes (3) and run ceph/rook on them when I get around to it

And use that for my stateful data

Then just keep the bulk unimportant stuff on my synology nas

[hearty depot]

google cloud as a backup from my backups and etckeeper in my private gitlab instance
I'm happy so far for just.. stuff

[hushed basalt]

Interesting

I don't have much desktop management

I just have my win10 user folders located on the nas

I don't mind doing a fresh reinstall of desktops, it's a nice ritual, only installing what you need

I could ansible some/all of it but chocolatey is a pig

[hearty depot]

Chocolatey makes this faster - im so happy that I dont have windows desktops myself

[hushed basalt]

It's usually the other stuff that takes the most time

I don't use chocolatey anymore

[hearty depot]

why it is a pig? 😄

[hushed basalt]

I found it takes longer to remove all the contextmenu crap than it does to install it manually

[hearty depot]

ah - I dont uninstall.. I just shoot it in the head
(overread contextmenue)

[hushed basalt]

Like chocolatey installs everything on full defaults

Which is usually not how I install things

[hearty depot]

I dont have to touch the windows stuff.. so I dont care 🤷 😄

[hushed basalt]

Too bad windows store apps are a dumpster fire. It would be great if windows had a standard well supported package manager

[hearty depot]

'coming'

[hushed basalt]

I would hate to sysadmin windows environments so much

[hearty depot]

Clickops 😄 and the domain of salty admins ( i heard)

[hushed basalt]

Imagine having to manage like 500 corporate laptops with specialist software, configurations, compliance requirements

My wifes organisations IT are the worst

"can't do that, closing ticket"

[hearty depot]

https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/20/21264739/microsoft-windows-package-manager-preview-download

[hushed basalt]

The whole point of support IT is to support the company's workers to accomplish business goals

[clever mortar]

winget 🤣

[hushed basalt]

But they often twist it around to think everyone is working for them

I see that as wing-et

[clear ferry]

@hearty depot don't care much about hotel WiFi, work pays for it and I use a VPN home to route all traffic anyway

[hearty depot]

not even creative with the name.
I wouldnt be supprised if they would have called it Chocolate

[hushed basalt]

I don't mind if they call it appleschmaple as long as it works

[clear ferry]

I've actually missed a package manager I windows

[hearty depot]

you and your infinite travel budged

[hushed basalt]

Chocolatey can go live with adobe flash and lotusnotes as far as I'm concerned

[clear ferry]

Because powershell FUCKING SUCKS WHEN IT COMES TO SYNTAX

[hushed basalt]

It's pretty rough

Powershell scripters must get paid by the character

[hearty depot]

windows sucks in general

[clear ferry]

Oh you want to install something? get-something | install-module | fl

Like wtf

Jewsus christ

[hushed basalt]

I'm all for verbosity for comprehension but PowerShell is just obtuse

[clear ferry]

I am trying to learn powershell, but whatever new thing I want to do, it just roundhouse kicks me in the face

Because the syntax changes

[hushed basalt]

Powershell is what happens when engineers design interfaces

https://media.tenor.com/images/ed0dfc4a86bac4ee8ddf37753bb13962/tenor.gif

[clear ferry]

@snow oar #frontend-archived can help

[snow oar]

i will shift 👍

[hushed basalt]

I'll be perfectly happy if I never have to use powershell in my career

[noble plume]

@junior forge The home assistant frontpage home-assistant.io still mentions that current version is 0.110.5 while current version is 0.110.6. Not really important but just noticed it.

[hearty depot]

@noble plume https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant.io/blob/current/_config.yml
Have fun with your first PR

[noble plume]

Let's see how this works 🙂 getting right to it

https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant.io/pull/13703

I hope I did it correctly

[velvet horizon]

You can disable link preview in Discord by adding < before and > after the URL, like this: <http://home-assistant.io/>

Command '~links' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[junior forge]

Merged 🎉

[noble plume]

thx 🙂 first time for me

[clear ferry]

Cleaning my workbench after the oily residue was dripping on it for two days

[noble plume]

What happend there? did you kill a Shelly? 😛

[clear ferry]

Nah, the Shelly is fine, but it was hit by some dripping oily residue so have to scrub the outside

[slate marsh]

Oh dear, good luck with that 🤢

[clear ferry]

Gotten most of it away already

All the microdrops is the worst

[fading zodiac]

Use salt

[clear ferry]

[low harness]

Those mats look so convenient. Is it static dissipative too or just silicone?

[hushed basalt]

Ice cubes trays work in a pinch too

For disassembly bins

[fading zodiac]

What?

IF you spill oil in home, always use salt.

Same goes with red wine.

[hushed basalt]

I'm not talking about oil :)

[low harness]

Though ice cube trays could definitely work to prevent small oil spills.

[clear ferry]

@low harness magnetic pockets, silicone, numbered holes very practical

No ESD points though

Still trying to build a fricking H bridge

[low harness]

You could just get a cheap chinese arduino motor shield.

[clear ferry]

I could but that will arrive in September

Unless ELFA maybe has it

I don't need high power though, it's a simple motor that moves a cog to open and close watering

[low harness]

Kjell & Co probably have some. Yo've got them in Norway, right?

[clear ferry]

Aye

Too damn big

https://www.kjell.com/no/produkter/elektro-og-verktoy/arduino/tilbehor/velleman-l298n-motordriver-p87201

[dusky plank]

why does every sbc OS get the TZ correctly dynamic and raspbian is set to London by default? oh and this crap perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
rant end

[low harness]

Because the raspi is a British thing, and you know how they are about stuff...

[edgy path]

So i'm looking into alternatives for the TPlink HS1x0 plugs

[clear ferry]

Sounds like #hardware-archived

[edgy path]

uuuurgh al the channels here 😂

[dusky plank]

I gave up on powerline ethernet adapters. somehow stopped at random times after some days

[clear ferry]

But those aren't powerline adapters

[long quiver]

With less going to configuration.yaml does that impact my backup restore.  Have had to wipe my database 2x before to rrecover. But not recently. Somewhat cocerned so much going to adatabase that was just log files before.

[last plaza]

@long quiver make sure you backup .storage folder. Config stuff is stored there

[scenic radish]

@clear ferry my security system gateway

Nice cloud btw

But I thought you hate the cloud

[clear ferry]

No

I only hate you

@last plaza Dororo is a great mini series btw

[last plaza]

Sweet!!!

[scenic radish]

Dorororororo
Skalalalalava
Coincidence? I think not.

[last plaza]

😆

[clear ferry]

[clear ferry]

Wife zen garden in the making

[last plaza]

All I see is dirt. That’s no zen!

[low harness]

What if noone is looking at it?

[last plaza]

Lol. You should get white sand and get one of those rakes

[dusky plank]

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/33897485.jpg

[clear ferry]

I'm putting white marble rocks on top @last plaza

[last plaza]

Ooh! Marbles!!!!

[clear ferry]

And planting succulents

And building a esp controlled water fountain with lights

[last plaza]

nice! Our kids wanted to get Succulents! We never got to the nursery yet

[clear ferry]

And trying to get hold of some old metal bench for seating

[hushed basalt]

You say you hate cloud

But you're enabling clients to build their own cloud

Cracks in your Norwegian propaganda!

[wet pilot]

Because local cloud is just a damn datacenter

Marketing bullshit ftw

[green inlet]

Silly boy, the land of unicorns and rainbows doesn’t have propaganda

[hushed basalt]

I think of cloud as just resources on demand

Self service compute, storage, RDS etc, that's cloud

[clear ferry]

But you can have that locally too

[hushed basalt]

Then it's a local cloud?

[clear ferry]

Sure

[unreal orbit]

I think "cloud" also implies accessible from the internet

[clear ferry]

If you have to use marketing term

[hushed basalt]

I don't think cloud strictly means public cloud

[clear ferry]

@unreal orbit probably why marketing has shifted to call it composable instead of cloud

[unreal orbit]

Not public necessarily, but able to access remotely

[green inlet]

The cloud is so 2018 anyway. The edge is where it is at in 2020

[scenic radish]

I'll give you a cloud alright

[unreal orbit]

2020 is pretty edgy

[clear ferry]

@green inlet actually you are right

Intelligent edge is the big market now

[hushed basalt]

So much cloud hostility :D

[scenic radish]

reeeeeeee.

[green inlet]

Uh oh, someone make a note.

[hushed basalt]

Did the cloud take your lunch money 😁

[green inlet]

I stand on the edge and admire the cloud

[unreal orbit]

It might as well take my lunch money with the time that it wastes being down

[hushed basalt]

Multiple AZs in a region?

[green inlet]

Why can’t we name these things after female body parts. I mean, I would much rather record at the abs and have breast access.

[hushed basalt]

https://media.tenor.com/images/749c430c5d8d3ec4642241a096af482a/tenor.gif

[clear ferry]

@unreal orbit long live on premise

[hushed basalt]

Ok Boomer

[low harness]

sbeve

[dusky plank]

makes sense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bU_enICm9U

[ocean mirage]

bren

[clear ferry]

And who has a better story than bren the borken

[scenic radish]

Stonks

[scenic radish]

Skalas

[clear ferry]

https://media.tenor.com/images/c62105ab33880500260f25c392737515/tenor.gif

[scenic radish]

their

[clear ferry]

@scenic radish skalas is actually the Swedish word for peeling something I think

[scenic radish]

what an apeeling fact!

[clear ferry]

A randy Scandi

[unreal orbit]

Well it took 2 power outages yesterday for me to make the decision to finally buy an UPS for my server 🤦 on the bright side, everything rebooted/restarted on its own 🙂

[scenic radish]

yeah, buying a UPS was a great decision

sort of an edge case but it came in handy when i did some painting in the room where my server and stuff is at and had to move everything away from the wall. kept the server and networking equipment up so i was still able to stream music

[unreal orbit]

I would say that is a very reasonable use case

[scenic radish]

thankfully haven't had a power outage since i've moved in here

[unreal orbit]

I took the opportunity during my outage to finally organize the clusterf*** that was my cable management around my server/entertainment center

[scenic radish]

heh

i did the same actually when painting

[clear ferry]

I have just one thing to figure out in my servers, why when I restart freenas, that runs both the mosquitto server and HA server that I have to restart the zigbee2mqtt pi and HA after both ha and mosquitto are booted

[unreal orbit]

shell_command 🙂

[clever mortar]

Just reboot the house

[scenic radish]

i have to figure out why the fstab rule i have for the external SSD attached to my server prevents startup...

[clever mortar]

'cos it has a typo

nofail is your friend though, for any external disk

[scenic radish]

ahh yes, that would be useful

can't figure out what the issue is. the UUID is correct

[clear ferry]

Probably PEBKAC

[scenic radish]

obviously

[unreal orbit]

Actually the one thing I still need to fix is my openmqttgateway requiring a serial connection to function. It's not a difficult problem, but I'm lazy and don't want to break something that is technically working

[scenic radish]

no issues with mounting the internal eMMC with fstab. used the same settings for that for the external drive

[velvet horizon]

@scenic radish Please use https://paste.ubuntu.com/ or https://www.hastebin.com/ to share code or logs.

Command '.share' was invoked by: atxbyea

[scenic radish]

heh

one sec

[velvet horizon]

@scenic radish If you're having problems with your updates to your configuration:

• Check the troubleshooting steps
• Check your log file - remembering you may need to set logger to info or debug
• Explain what the problem you're having is - sharing configuration, errors, and logs

Command '.troubleshooting' was invoked by: atxbyea

[unreal orbit]

wait

[scenic radish]

ALRIGHT

[unreal orbit]

the bot is deleting messages with @s now?

[velvet horizon]

@scenic radish It's dangerous to go alone! Check out my GitHub.

Command '.tediore' was invoked by: atxbyea

[scenic radish]

when used with a command, yeah

though it fails fairly regularly

[unreal orbit]

it hasn't been

[clear ferry]

Been for a while

[scenic radish]

# internal eMMC
UUID=9ca35308-6991-4666-a12e-1fb71746d91f /internal       ext4    defaults        0       2

# external SSD
UUID=f0c7389d-9ff1-40a4-b9a8-71eaad5892cc /external       ext4    defaults        0       2

wait i think i know

[unreal orbit]

https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/672220450977349653/719629807196831824 as recently as yesterday

[scenic radish]

though it fails fairly regularly

[unreal orbit]

I'm saying I've never seen it not fail until just now. I guess I don't pay attention that much

[scenic radish]

though it fails fairly regularly

lol 😛

yeah it's seemingly random

[last dirge]

awesome, distro update closed the SSH session

[wet pilot]

probably rebooted

[last dirge]

it was only at 49% complete

[wet pilot]

lame

[last dirge]

so I guess I'm flashing Buster and reinstalling pihole later

[unreal orbit]

@last plaza have you looked into why the bot sometimes fails to delete the invoking message if someone is tagged? https://github.com/skalavala/HassBot/blob/master/DiscordBotLibCore/Helper.cs#L462 I'm curious as to what the value of the leftover content is

at first I thought it may be when there's a space in someone's name, but that isn't the case here https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/672223497736421388/719466293538979900

[light trout]

Discord API is wonky, sometimes it fails to do stuff (like respoding/deleting)

[last dirge]

I am the great Cornholio! I need SD for my PiHole!

[unreal orbit]

It seems to only fail (or at least mostly) when someone is tagged. Maybe it is just an API thing

[last plaza]

@unreal orbit i will have to look into it. Discord api has so many issues and flaws and doesn’t always work as expected , and lots of issues. Bot does a pretty good job try to survive and reconnect.

[unreal orbit]

It would probably be enough to log extra content when it exists (at least temporarily). Then you would know if the task is failing or something wonky with the API
logger.Debug("Extra content detected, '" + leftovercontent + "', skipping delete.");

[clear ferry]

@last dirge updating without OOBM🤢

[red meadow]

I finally got a certificate created and installed for "home.mydomain.dk", and I can finally use iOS devices. Of course also other browsers with SSL protection when using my externall address. However, accessing the local address 192.168.x.x is now broken, and I cant even configure the Home Assistant app with the internal URL, as it is deemed insecure due to an invalid certificate. Is that normal, or are there workarounds for local access without warnings or even being locked (like the app does)?

[clear ferry]

Use the external address always, NAT reflection takes care of it unless you got a POS router ;-)

[fathom sparrow]

that's normal

if you want internal access, use a proxy

internal & external*

[red meadow]

Thanks - it's also working here, so I'll keep it that way then 🙂

[last dirge]

@clear ferry it's a pi

[red meadow]

I was just curious if I missed something - apparently all is good 😄

[clear ferry]

@last dirge 🤢

[shy comet]

gonna be a hot day in socal today

already 80 and not even 10 am

[clear ferry]

Almost as hot as here probably!

.c2f 21

[velvet horizon]

:thermometer:

Celsius To Fahrenheit

21 degrees celsius = 69.8 degrees fahrenheit!

[clear ferry]

.f2c 80

[velvet horizon]

:thermometer:

Fahrenheit To Celsius

80 degrees fahrenheit = 26.67 degrees celsius!

[shy comet]

oh my bad forgot about the other half of the world 😛

[clear ferry]

Noice, finally found the proper way to load fuse on freenas, now to tackle that mqtt stuff

@shy comet you mean all of the rest of the world

[shy comet]

haha yea

i like higher numbers

[clear ferry]

Never underestimate American exceptionalism

[shy comet]

lol

[last dirge]

Fahrenheit = how temperature feels to humans

Celcius = how temperature feels to water

[unreal orbit]

Nobody ever considers water's feelings 😦

[clear ferry]

Fahrenheit is a quite ridiculous scale, when does water freeze? 32 of course!

Water boils? 212 of course!

[wet pilot]

because its a human relative scale, not a water relative scale

[unreal orbit]

What is it relative to humans?

[wet pilot]

Fahrenheit

[unreal orbit]

Yeah, what is it relative to?

[wet pilot]

general human comfort

[unreal orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-question-mark-huh-what-confused-gif-4995479

[clear ferry]

I'm also curious to this, because I know it will be slippery outside when it is around 0, because water freezes, so we have the same relative understanding from both a human and water

[wet pilot]

true, but you also have to deal with decimals in your temps

[clear ferry]

Also relative to human feeling depends on humidity

We don't have to have decimals

We can have round numbers

[wet pilot]

but 22 to 23 c is a much larger swing than 71 to 72 f

[clear ferry]

Nobody who uses Celsius says oh damn honey, it's 22.3 degrees outside

[clever mortar]

But those 0.3 degrees could matter!

[clear ferry]

Perhaps, not

[last dirge]

but the metric folks are the ones who often make fun of SAE measurement units because they're "inaccurate"

[clear ferry]

Except when you see where it is hottest in a given day

[last dirge]

it's going to be almost 90 here today :/

[clear ferry]

Sure, we use metric to be accurate, but we don't use that accuracy in everyday life

[last plaza]

It is 32.2 degrees Celsius here today. That feels weird saying in metric.

[clever mortar]

See, nobody would say that 😉

They'd just say it's 32C

Or it's fscking hot

[last plaza]

90 F now, supposed to up to 94

[clear ferry]

Or around 30

I wouldn't say 32 unless I was flexing to my family up north

[last plaza]

🤣

[clever mortar]

I still prefer fscking hot 😛

[clear ferry]

Well, +30 in the UK is unbearable

Especially in London taking the tube

I was there once it was 33, I was certain I would cook

[last plaza]

Actually subways or underground is much cooler when it is hot outside.

Tubes 🤢

[clever mortar]

London is basically a giant heat sink

Or possibly heat stink

[last plaza]

Surrounded by sea, I’m sure it will be humid a lot too

[clever mortar]

Yeah, it's why 30C here is nasty

Hell, 25C here can be nasty

Yet, I've done 40C in other places and been fine with it

[last plaza]

yeah.... UK should occupy Norway and make it their new home for summers.

[clever mortar]

Up North (aka Scotland) is generally fine in the summer, gets toasty for a few days, but nothing terrible. Well, by fine I mean not too hot - just stay out of the torrential downpours.

[last plaza]

That’s how Scotland stays green - with all the rains.

[green inlet]

Fighting turning on the air. AC 🤢

[clever mortar]

Annual rainfall of up to 180 inches, so yeah 😉

[forest edge]

how else do you think scots shower with irish spring soap?

https://youtu.be/XT47PqawyNg?t=49

[last dirge]

according to the commercials they cut it with a pocket knife

[forest edge]

i like the way the king says, "Irish". in today's words it would be, "Goddamn irish" while shaking your head lol

[clear ferry]

is this how @wet pilot and @last dirge think we use decimals @clever mortar ? 🤔 debug 2020-06-09 19:36:56: OTA update at 49.05%, remaining 1047.9321797338291 seconds

[clear ferry]

Nice of IKEA to start updating all of their bulbs to zb3

wonder if hue will ever do that

from reading release notes, that has never happened on hue

[last dirge]

@wet pilot looks like the SD card went tits up and that's why it disconnected

yay

[wet pilot]

womp

[clear ferry]

SD storage 🤢

I'm still waiting for my WD purple card

It better be as good as tinkerer says

[undone aspen]

Huh... My Zooz outdoor motion sensor is already exhibiting failures.

And I haven't even had it a month yet.

[clear ferry]

that was suprisingly afforadble to be zwave

that said I've had a xiaomi motion sensor outdoors for three months last fall

it still worked when I brought it in

[undone aspen]

Mine is just staying "high", so I'm trying different batteries, even thjough the reading suggests 80%.

Hmmm.. Still staying high. :/

[clever mortar]

Maybe you need to wait for it to come down? 😛

[clear ferry]

☄️

[undone aspen]

lol