oh crap, I'm not even caught up on blog/announcements, sorry
#the-water-cooler
loud tide
"easy" is subjective, but at least the messaging is transparent and straight forward.
and totally understandable given HA's size and audience
clever mortar
The audience has changed/is changing
loud tide
nods
clever mortar
IMO the target audience is moving much more towards the SmartThings audience, or at least including that kind of audience more
I don't think they're trying to drop the old guard, but... we're probably slightly expendable 😛
loud tide
I'm trying to get my dad to drop OpenHAB experiments asap and move to HA, so things like this are a mixed bag to me. I get it, it will be great for HA and HA users (and for him in particular who lumps Yaml in with C), and I suspect something else will pop up eventually for those of us who are picky about our eclectic preferences 🙂
clever mortar
I'm hoping that it's just a shift of focus and extension, rather than a moving away from the ability to tinker
dull chasm
ability to tinker and new user ....can that be in be same sentence?
clear ferry
Maybe I need to move on then 
upper apex
ive looked into it
but my to-do list keeps getting longer and longer
cant keep up
and now im out on the street
😉
wet pilot
something like this 🙂
downstairs_avg_temp:
friendly_name: "Downstairs Average Temp"
device_class: 'temperature'
unit_of_measurement: '°F'
value_template: >-
{% set sensors = [
states('sensor.living_room_temperature')|float,
states('sensor.office_temperature')|float,
states('sensor.thermostat_temperature')|float
]
%}
{{(sensors|sum / sensors|length)|round(1)}}```so all i have to do is copy paste that inputting the correct entity ID
and have to do that per entity I want to see Averages
hmm
there goes my afternoon
o i see you can do averages of multiple entities! nice
wet pilot
yep, i had some sort of crazy loop with namespaces but then @last plaza smacked me down with sum
upper apex
before you after you posted that code?
upper apex
is that ^^^ working good?
@modest smelt what!? i just checked lol
ooooooo
juicy release notes!
modest smelt
🤔 Error handling message: required key not provided @ data['category']. Got None
light trout
refresh browser
zealous rune
You'll have lots of fun packet drops 🙂
@hushed basalt Turns out I got 0 packet drops (with the few tests of iperf I did using 1470 byte sized UDP packets. I was getting ~100Mbit throughput which is the limit of the router I plugged the server side computer into (should have tested at the gigabit router but didn't think about it at the time). I'll see how reliable the Doorbird video feed is with these makeshift ethernet cables. I'll pull through proper CAT6 cable in a couple of weeks.
tame cove
hi everyone
jagged mantle
Well i tried Jellyfin but it uses much more CPU than plex :/
shy comet
personally i need/want full feature parity with plex before i can consider the others
jagged mantle
Jellyfin offers me better if i dont have plex pass but it performs worse
im thinking if plex maybe used hardware assist with my intregrated cpu
clever mortar
Or... just has been better optimised
jagged mantle
please let me be hopeful lmao
shy comet
yea i have plex on good hardware but i also have people streaming often so it helps
i use hardware accelerated transcoding too with a GTX1050 4gb
jagged mantle
I have a amd Radeon HD 8570 2GB in the server so im gonna check if i can get hw acc working beacuse i actually preffer Jellyfin if i can get it working as good or better than plex resource wise
scenic radish
while scanning for the next token found character '\t' that cannot start any token
forest edge
wtf many hours later and still talking about plex/jellyfin lol
clear ferry
jagged mantle
For me Jellyfin would be much better but it isnt worth it for the extra resources
forest edge
suprised there isn't a prepackaged pi build for jellyfin
clear ferry
Unless jellyfin gets proper client support and the ability to migrate my watched database I'm not even gonna give it a glance
clear ferry
Didn't see any mention of it
forest edge
the part i read was about how it syncs kodi watched with it's own
which i thought sounded kind of neat
since kodi has it's own
clear ferry
Kodi 🤢
forest edge
Kodi is HA where Hubitat is Plex just so you know lol
clear ferry
Jellyfin beta for Roku 24h ago actually
forest edge
where you see that
clear ferry
jagged mantle
I just need to get hw acc working on jellyfin and then I could change, so I'm gonna try bare metal tomorrow and see if it's proxmox fault
forest edge
awesome
if they get that fine tuned will certianly have to givve it a try
I did read on another reddit post where someone said they couldn't get jellyfin to not transcode which would be annoying. plex had the same damn issue
chrome dagger
Hey guys I’m getting this issue when I try to run the check home assistant config addon
Home-assistant_v2.db-shm OR home-assistant_v2.db-wal does not exist
Any ideas why this is? Researching this is a temp file that is created by SQL
I used the terminal and did not find these files created but I also know I’m not suppose to create these files so not sure how to resolve this.
I personally think that it doesn't matter too much about these files as stackoverflow seems to mention that these files are usually auto deleted https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7778723/what-are-the-db-shm-and-db-wal-extensions-in-sqlite-databases
however this doesn't help me bc the addon stops right after this so then it is not able to check my config against the new version for any potential erros
shy comet
@chrome dagger you probably want to be in #add-ons-archived
jagged mantle
Ey, atxbyea. Be nice to the weaker, if not proxmox is weaker
clear ferry
sinful wigeon
Hi everyone! I need a way to setup a custom light intensity curve. I am not new to coding and doing it in python and exposing via an API is not an issue. My questions comes the "Home Assistant" way of doing it: What exactly would I need to build to make it happen? Custom component? Script? Automation?
sinful wigeon
Nice! It`s not as flexible as I would like it to be but it might be a good example to get started
mild perch
Hey folks! I'm new to home assistant, and I'm trying to add a new custom card via HACS (https://github.com/custom-cards/button-card), but I'm not having much luck. It's added to the resources, but I don't see it in the available cards, and can't add it as a custom card either. Could you help me out please?
forest edge
@mild perch #frontend-archived
love that button card
half my dash would go to crap if that were to ever break lol
unkempt geyser
Is there a simple way for me to invert a binary_sensor or do I need to create a template to achieve this?
shy comet
probably want to use a template for that
scenic radish
https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/islamic_prayer_times/ ew.. wtf HA??
@wet pumice what?
What do you mean
forest edge
I think he means that it's built in rather than just something you would add yourself
hacs needs to be baked into HA, i mean it spoils us so much we almost forget how to add anything without it lol
i'm about to stab whoever keeps making breaking changes to the bar card tho
shy comet
thats nice to say about your fellow HA users who are islamic
scenic radish
Also not sure why you'd be bothered by that lol
It's not like they're trying to convert you to Islam
I'm Christian, doesn't bother me that there's an Islamic prayer time integration. There's also a Jewish calendar integration
Either way...
velvet horizonBOT
scenic radish
Can't imagine it requires much maintenance lol
forest edge
I didn't think the devvs went ovver all intergrations anyways, they just verify certian requirements are in place while leavving the original author to do all the leg work?
scenic radish
Probably
forest edge
you must really hate muslim praying practices lol
forest edge
there is no such thing as a bad or dumb intergration unless it's one that dosen't work lol
scenic radish
You don't have to use it, not sure why it bothers you
shy comet
your triggering people becasue you called it shitty prayer times which is highly insensitive to those who are islamic and those who spent their own free time to build it
you may not understand it but it doesnt mean you have to act like that either
scenic radish
I'm not "triggered," I'm just saying you're on your way to a ban. Trying to be helpful actually
shy comet
all we ask is to be civil
forest edge
I have a litter robot that tells me when my cats poop for heavvens sake.. how is that worse than prayer times? lol
scenic radish
Lol troll
shy comet
@wet pumice read the channel topic
forest edge
I sense something coming lol
shy comet
you called them shitty
how else do you expect peopel to interpret?
look at your attitude about it
forest edge
|| @scenic radish get ready for it...||
last kite
Hey guys - sorry to bother you all. I'm Brad. I'm relatively new to hass and I'm struggling with the most recent version. Any chance of a quick hand?
wet pilot
@last kite go to the channel that best fits your issue and ask the question. If someone online knows the answer they'll respond. Asking to ask a question tends to get 🦗 because we can't read minds 😏
last kite
Aye, but different discords different etiquette, y'know?
I've asked but I'm not getting much response. Think it might be a bit too newb for people to bother with
wet pilot
Or no one active knows the answer, it's a global audience and activity ebbs and flows
last kite
Mmm. I'll try here anyway - My last install created light entities based on the area the lights were in. That's not the case with the new install. Any idea what happened to them and how I can create aggregated lights?
forest edge
@wet pilot how's the covid been treating ya?
people here are about to flip. there's like 3 classes of people now, those who think we should stay indoors longer and those who think we shouldn't and then there are those who think the other two classes are crazy cause this covid thing is just a government conspiracy to rob people of their rights
the pie chart shows the nuts and those who think we should come out into the sunlight is growing larger than the those who think we should remain indoors lol
tidal bronze
@forest edge what did the teacher say about the classes ?
forest edge
@tidal bronze dunno, teacher has covid
someone posted their excitement about the stay at home order lifting on the 3rd so they could gather with all their friends and family on reddit and someone replied to it saying they were asymptomatic and if they could join lmao
scenic radish
green inlet
@wet pilot , did you see the news about Gastonia. They said 🖕🏻covid
amber bramble
lol wonder what kind of wifi controllers that guy was using
and why he didnt bother checking to make sure they were supported before installing HA
wet pilot
@green inlet no, what did they do?
green inlet
They are opening.....said if they didn’t. Gastonia might not be around when they did.
wet pilot
So violating the state order?
Meck let their's expire but they didn't think they could get a renewal to pass
last dirge
our governor is letting the order expire tomorrow but he's forbidden counties/cities from implementing their own orders
but only until the 13th
what sense does that make at all?
wet pilot
A dude who doesn't want to get reelected
But probably will because politics are retarded
green inlet
I haven’t seen the news but heard NC was soft opening some things also
@last dirge , it is the beauty of federal, State, local, and even tribal jurisdiction.
last dirge
Simon Malls: We're opening 7 of our malls in the Metro Atlanta area
Stores in Simon Malls: Cool, we're not.
green inlet
Right, the news I saw in Georgia showed businesses open, and no one showing up. Going to take a while for the public to trust what’s going on
Funny, I was arguing with people about social distancing when this all started. They all looked at me crazy
last dirge
only idiots trust "cases are going down" when the following question is "is testing capacity still increasing?" and the response is "hmm?"
and "look at this chart, it clearly shows it" when it was changed dramatically from the way the prior charts were presented so it appears that the trend is downward
especially when it's based on "initial infection date" which is impossible to know
green inlet
I really don’t think cases are drastically going down anywhere. People are afraid of the economy know though
last dirge
they're not
we're still gaining cases faster daily than we were previous but someone's pissing on our foot and telling us it's raining
wet pilot
@green inlet not yet. There's a plan for how to do it but the target metrics haven't been hit yet
last dirge
@wet pilot GA and FL governors "Hold our beer"
green inlet
Yea, just repeating what someone read to me.
wet pilot
Phase one doesn't start until whatever that level is
@last dirge yeah, fucking retarded
NC seems to not be as retarded for now
Not holding my breath
green inlet
Will be interesting to see the affects of the supply chain.
Toilet paper shelves are still not fully stocked. God knows why?
wet pilot
State government hasn't been in session so far so they haven't been able to fuck things up for everyone yet
last dirge
I almost quit my job today 🙂
green inlet
now that’s dedication
last dirge
it's been fire drill mode for two months now
people are flailing around and not making decisions that make sense
sales people are trying to sell solutions that we don't have
scenic radish
Lies As A Service?
green inlet
That sucks. My brother went through that. Knew the axe was going to drop, just didn’t know when. Hung in there for another year though. Problem is, you can’t even interview for a job these days
last dirge
it's not the axe coming
it's people trying to look busy and like they're making progress and "delegating" under the guise of forcing everybody else to do what they should've done
I write customer-facing stuff and this "RFQ" has stuff in it like "the system should display this data from the customer's SAP instance"
green inlet
Yea, I am eligible to retire. I just tell them, the “fuck-off” bus shows up every day at 4, and I am going to be on it 🤣
last dirge
and nobody on the team that's responsible for handling integrations with outside systems bothered to say "hey, what format is that in and where should we store it once we get it?"
so I ask the question and the guy that's in charge of that team says "uhhhhh, I don't know"
it's stupid frustrating
but whatever, as long as they're still paying invoices
wet pilot
I got word that a promotion I was promised in October isn't going to happen because of all this so any shred of loyalty I had for them is gone
last dirge
they cut all employee's (I'm a contractor) salaries 5% and stopped 401k matching
last dirge
my manager had the balls to tell our QA resource they needed to learn how to program so they can automate tests on the same day they announced that
green inlet
Yupper, I have been unemployed for 7 months before. I just smile and promise the world like everyone else these days. Shit works out. Always does.
last dirge
my contract says I get a minimum of 30 days notice
if they break the contract I can sue for the rest of the value of the contract
green inlet
I am not one to give advice, but lawyers always win. No one else ever really does
last dirge
good thing I married one
last dirge
she wasn't one yet when I married her 🙂
green inlet
On a side note, 109 went without a hitch except for Skalavala’s input label. Need to bust his juevos when I see him 🤣
Jokingly of course
Probably something I did anyway
last dirge
I've been shitty about keeping up with updates
green inlet
They have been so easy lately, I just skimmed the breaking changes and pulled the rip cord. Even got some error message about homekit dependency being higher than required and everything just started without a hitch
wet pilot
Yeah no issues with 109
tropic sage
Hello All, I understand this is a great place for help and am so happy all of you are here, with that being said, I have a few interesting projects (display and automation) I am working on. The learning curve is a bit steep on Hass.io so looking for a little paid help anyone interested? I would like to learn more but I am better at sales haha...
green inlet
I will do it for 300.00 an hour and your ssh keys
tropic sage
green inlet
Really, if you made your way here, you can figure it out.
storm summit
where is this discord server even advertised?
storm summit
I got here when the link was posted on the old server
wet pilot
There's a link on the docs page
rare condor
Thoughts: Do you think HASS is reliable enough to control how water system or should this be left to embedded dedicated device only. More and more of my automations are controlling the critical functions of the house. I am worried this may end up biting me hard.
storm summit
probably on the page "if you're about to kill yourself in frustration"
@rare condor depends on what will happen if something malfunctions
last dirge
@tropic sage you should ask Deez
storm summit
I use it as a thermostat to control my HVAC.
tropic sage
Yeah I guess that's the disconnect between sales and guys who actually do the work.... hehe
last dirge
@rare condor if it malfunctions what happens?
does your house flood or not have water?
storm summit
my heater went on in the summer once 🙂 . That was fun.
green inlet
I didn’t even know what raspi pi was a couple years ago. Let alone Linux.
I don’t have anything critical on home automation
wet pilot
Lol so many rabbit holes @green inlet
green inlet
I wish I would have logged the hours. Good thing I enjoy it but......probably a large chunk of my life. @tropic sage , it is pretty easy to get a simple working install. Then just slowly build on it. Tons of people here will help you.
last dirge
if it won't flood your house, go for it 🙂
storm summit
@rare condor in my experience HASS is mostly very reliable. You could combine HASS with something like a webcontrol32 with PLC programming as a backstop.
Based on my limited arudino experience I wouldn't trust myself with arduino.
But it sounds similar to what I'm doing with my thermostsat. I screwed up something once and the heat went on in the summer but other than that I haven't had any mis-haps.
green inlet
The problem is not HAss. HAss does what it is told. The problem is human interaction and the probability that tech will fail. I am sure more than one person had their garage door opening and closing multiple times in the middle of the night like me because HAss though I kept leaving and returning
storm summit
oh yea. guilty to that one.
but I think HASS can be a problem as well. I've seen it do weird things after certain upgrades.
storm summit
I mean weird things that are undocumented or bugs and cause random breakage/problems.
I've ran into breaking changes that are undocumented as well more than once
But usually those things you find almost immediately.
wet pilot
That's why you check the all changes for things you use
storm summit
I think that's un-realistic.
Unless someone has written a script.
that I haven't seen.
wet pilot
For <1.0 software? It's unrealistic to expect stability
storm summit
?? yea. so
wet pilot
So if you are depending on less than 1.0 software, it's on you to ensure changes don't break your shit. Read all the release notes
storm summit
No thanks.
wet pilot
Then you deserve any failures you hit
storm summit
Yes. You're right.
wet pilot
It's not marked 1.0 yet for a reason
storm summit
Well, I guess I deserve all the ones I've hit other than the ones in the PR source. 🙂
wet pilot
All PRs are listed in the release notes, that's automated
All of them are tagged with the component
storm summit
not all breaking changes are listed.
wet pilot
Because that depends on people marking it
storm summit
or not writing bugs
wet pilot
Check all the changes
storm summit
lol.
wet pilot
Ctrl+f <name>
storm summit
What you're saying is to read the source code.
I'm not going to read the source code I don't understand.
wet pilot
I'm saying read all the changes in the release notes for stuff you care about
And click in to the PRs if you're worried
storm summit
You're not listening. Not all breaking changes are listed in release notes.
wet pilot
But all changes are
wet pilot
Literally every change is listed
storm summit
just because a change is made doesn't mean its breaking change
wet pilot
Right, check all the changes to shit you care about
storm summit
That makes no sense.
People use a billion components and nobody i going to look through every detail. you're crazy.
wet pilot
Ctrl+f for shit you care about on the release notes. Click in to the PRs. Takes like 10min
storm summit
They might as well look at every PR and try and understand them
that's not going to tell me anything. it won't tell me for sure if its a breaking change or not.
wet pilot
It'll tell you things that changed and the potential for issues
mild cloak
I feel the release notes have been pretty good lately in terms of listing breaking changes and how to fix them.
storm summit
ok. I can do that just by using the software.
Instead of spending an hour or two sifting through PRs
wet pilot
you do you then. I'm telling you how to use beta open source software in production ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
storm summit
Thanks. I'd like to see you do what you're suggesting. You won't.
scenic radish
🍿
wet pilot
I do it literally every release before upgrading
storm summit
And I'm not looking to use open source software in production
BS. I bet a breaking cahnge could slip through your fingers tomorrow and you wouldnt notice.
wet pilot
If it isn't in something I use it wouldn't affect me
storm summit
You think?
wet quail
documentation is hard. it's very impressive how rarely things are missed for this project given the activity
and it's been improving consistently
last dirge
"I'm not looking to use open source software in production"
LULZ
@wet quail nah, just make sure to complain about the docs
and also never submit PRs to enhance them
I'm sure it'll work out that way
wet quail
ah sorry, i always forget
scenic radish
this is the way
last dirge
but seriously
"never use open source software in production"
k, get off the internet
last dirge
you're on Discord?
better get off
it's built on Chrome, a fork of Chromium
which is OSS
THE HORROR
wet pilot
Is electron straight up oss?
storm summit
MACOS :winning:
wet pilot
Bsd*
last dirge
THE ABSOLUTE HORROR OF IT ALL
storm summit
FIne. I'm on DOS.
last dirge
DOS was stolen IP from Xerox
so..
I wonder what crazy shit they've been up to in the past 40 years
they had ethernet in the 80s
"nah, just copy machines. But don't go in that room over there..."
rare condor
Wow just missed that argument but honestly HASS is not perfect and bugs are not always going to be documented, modbus just stopped working from 0.107 to 0.108 and no listed breaking changes were stated it was a bug in pymodbus
hushed basalt
Got my barcode scanner
Now to set up a better scanning interface than grocys nightmare
Has anyone ever interfaced a usb barcode scanner with python
wet pilot
Isn't it basically a keyboard?
hushed basalt
Yeah but not what you'd want to run on a headless rpi
Need to capture that device specifically
Even on boot
Not worrying about keyboard entry focus
clear ferry
@last dirge almost had to block you there can't have people visible who say macos is a fork of Linux 🤢 
rare condor
@clear ferry
clever mortar
Say that to somebody familiar with AIX and then put them in front of HP-UX 😛
clear ferry
Well, she actually was clicking around in CDE which is on HPUX, but it wasn't widely used 
AIX 🤢
clever mortar
CDE... I remember the early days of that, it was .... interesting
clear ferry
It had multiple desktops many years before Linux atleast
clever mortar
Multiple desktops have been around for a long long time, amazes me how long it really took to become popular in the mainstream
Looking at you Windows
forest edge
didn't need multiple desktops in the days of aol
near sedge
hello
clear ferry
@forest edge tell that to 640x480 you nabb
near sedge
can someone tell how can i do an automation to light on on a motion in morning but not in evening ?
clever mortar
#automations-archived could
near sedge
lol
clever mortar
I know, hard to work out where to post with so few channels ... 😛
near sedge
yes !
in fact, my question isn't about automation, but more to make a template for make a entity with sun up (2h-14h) and sun down (14h-2h)
clear ferry
Why not just use horizon value?
clever mortar
That'd be #integrations-archived or #templates-archived but I don't think that's what you really want 😉
Elevation FTW
clear ferry
clever mortar
Anybody blindly using time is missing basic orbital mechanics
Or they live at the equator
clear ferry
Not movie mechanics!
fading zodiac
@clear ferry bought the nas 🙂
clever mortar
~rule4 @wet pumice
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
I'm saying ... be nice 😉
first and last warning ... Thank you for respecting
Mod asked you to be nice, you don't complain 😉
Nope, just saying, if you're unhappy with a mod - take it offline
Vas is...
I am
velvet horizonBOT
tough igloo
Ban 🔨 time?
tough igloo
Watching your work in real time is like watching da Vinci in his prime 🤣
clever mortar
🤣
tough igloo
It amazes me some people don’t know when to quit. I’m so scared of being told off by a mod 😱
clever mortar
My view is always that if I'm being told off it means I'm missing something, and should take a moment to re-think
tough igloo
👍🏼
jagged mantle
is anyone here familiar with AMD gpu drivers on ubuntu?
hearty depot
not realy but maybe someone over there.
https://discord.gg/6y3BdzC
But update kernel, install mesa git? 🤷
uncut jungle
morning, need help with LCTECH relais. anyone having some luck with it?
but relais wont switch
questions about the jumpers rx tx on the board and how to identify Nuvoton
thanks
hearty depot
Glorus eggrol is a wine developer - make a lost of custom stuff. Calls his work shittywork - Gaming on linux is very compfortable thanks to him
clever mortar
@uncut jungle I'd ask in #diy-archived or over in the Tasmota Discord
~tasmota @uncut jungle
velvet horizonBOT
jagged mantle
wtf is wrong now, stop complaining about everything i use lmao
hearty depot
Well.. its Ubuntu 😄
jagged mantle
gonna complain about using a pc too? lmao
clear ferry
hearty depot
idk how long youre around, but 🤢 /🤮 is atxbyeas thing.
jagged mantle
well its better than the tinkers freaking lmgtfy atleast
hearty depot
that only comes around for super obius questions. He only hit me twice 😄
clever mortar
I only use it if the answer is in the first 2 Google responses 😉
jagged mantle
He hits me everytime and ive already searched it but i want a human reply for some stuff
clear ferry
🤖
jagged mantle
Sometimes i just want a normal conversation about a question....
hearty depot
I Finaly undersood what you ment. I been gentle with this number.
Best place to hide a dead body, Page 2 of the google search 😄
clever mortar
Last LMGTFY I hit you with was for a question that was answered in the Plex docs... like, why was it even a question 🤷
If random posts disagree with the official docs, it's time to check facts...
jagged mantle
well there could have been a workaround
hearty depot
jagged mantle
that wouldnt be mentioned in the official docs ofcourse beacuse that would lose them money, thus me asking
clever mortar
Was that taking stuff there or doing dumpster diving 😛
clear ferry
Taking stuff, the hedge I trimmed a few weeks ago and yester years greenhouse earth
It'll be atleast three full hitches
hearty depot
hearty depot
aaah f.. Up to the next thing on the to do
fibrechannel boot 🙈
Point'n Click here I come
hushed frigate
lol FC, that is not so usual anymore these days
SAN... roflol... hyperconverged is the way to go
clear ferry
FC is huge
hushed frigate
yeah, performance is
clever mortar
That's been around since forever too 🙂
clear ferry
Hyperconverged is still for nische customers and workloads
hushed frigate
if you like things like NetApp and the likes...
clear ferry
Netapp is probably the worst San provider out there
hushed frigate
all depends on the required compute nodes and the workload
clear ferry
They have a terrible product
hearty depot
I just cant convince the BMC to boot from the LUN
Stupid machine, do as I tell you 💢
Out of curiosety, Whats outside of the nische?
clear ferry
Sure, because customers were too bothered to host their own SMB and NFS share
hushed frigate
I personally liked the EMC stuff a lot
but again pricey shizzle
... and now 'Dell' 😦
clear ferry
Iscsi is... Interesting, but I prefer proper block fc
clever mortar
EMC... I remember the day one of their arrays reset itself and reported as empty... 😬
hushed frigate
🙈
clever mortar
It's fine, it wasn't a critical production database or anything...
clear ferry
Had a customer move from 3par to emc, creating a lun and presenting to his hosts went from 30 seconds to 30 minutes
Not impressed
clever mortar
That was a fun call with a rather tired and surprised EMC expert who couldn't understand what happened
hushed frigate
even if it was, people tend to forget storage arrays (even with shitload of parity) isn't backup
clever mortar
It was 😉
Thankfully, backups to the nth degree, so it wasn't the end of the world, just... recovering that much data takes time
But hey, that's why we have failover... except that node was down for maintenance 🤦
clear ferry
We usually sell three site replication for Hitachi based and two site plus cold backup site for 3par
hushed frigate
ofc you can use them as backup.. but I mean some feel safe running their shit on a redundant cluster... and then don't have budget for a decent backup system too
clever mortar
Yeah, got a client right now who's got a three site setup, about the only lot I've seen who take uptime seriously
They even test their backups multiple times a week, and their failover every week
hushed frigate
the holy 3 🙂
clear ferry
Yup, Hitachi is good for uptime too, bad for wallet
clever mortar
Yeah, but 🦄
clear ferry
We sell 3par with 100% uptime now, if you phone home and do timely updates, money back if it stops
hushed frigate
thanks HP.... we got our money back... but all our data is gone 🌶️
clear ferry
we told you about this bug 5 months ago
I often have that talk
Because, people are idjits
hushed frigate
ooops, that mail must have gone to the finance mailbox...
I've seen #551864459891703809 is archived... isn't that 'supported' anymore?
light trout
that is #672217570283094017
hushed frigate
I was thinking to install plain Debian, Python, and then run HA in venv
ah, ok
bc I really don't like docker :p
and what else do you need besides HA and HACS
light trout
time
hushed frigate
true, but if it runs... it has way less "overhead"
and I think it would make integrating my QBUS way easier
light trout
I'll take the little overhead added by docker to the maintainability issues with venv any day
clever mortar
#672217570283094017 includes venv
But yeah, as a venv user I'd recommend most folks to use Docker
hushed frigate
hmmm
clever mortar
Only if you're doing something where Docker makes it impractical, or you're crazy/experienced like me, should you run venv IMO
I fit in all three camps 😛
light trout
even you should run docker
clever mortar
Maybe, but ... I'll stick with a venv for a little while longer
hushed frigate
well... docker sucks with VLANs
clever mortar
You know, year, or two, or so 😄
light trout
so with HA 0.150.0
hushed frigate
at current pace, that won't take 2 years to get to that version
the devs are on 🔥
light trout
it's still 3 weeks between releases
light trout
50/3 r/y
hushed frigate
positive thing about that lockdown.... you can be drunk all day 😄
damn it... I've been looking for blinds for the last 3 days....
the Ikea ones look interesting, when it comes to price... but they max out at 195cm.... and I need 220cm
and I also have a ~160cm wide window... and their max width is 140 😦
light trout
#diy-archived time then
hushed frigate
Are there any decent custom motorized platforms that look decent to start from?
light trout
#diy-archived would know 😉
hushed frigate
bc ikea hacking doesn't seem possible, bc they locked down the max rotations too it seems
hmmm, k... another channel to watch 🙄
hushed frigate
the roller thingies... I have nothing on those windows now... but I'd like to have the ability to darken the room during the day for the projector
preferably battery powered
hushed frigate
nah, no chain needed
like these: https://www.ikea.com/nl/nl/p/fyrtur-verduisterend-rolgordijn-koordloos-op-batterijen-grijs-90408170/
but I'd need a solution so I can adapt the size to custom width and length
clear ferry
@clever mortar just move to bsd jail, none of that docker nonsense for you
clever mortar
It's tempting 😉
hushed frigate
and I also don't mind paying for quality things, as opposed to Ikea trash 😄
clever mortar
I may just have to build myself a fresh system to run all my HA stuff on
That'd be such a shame 🤔
clear ferry
Do it, do it, do it
hushed frigate
Tinkerer... just make sure it has enough cores, 100Gbit network, good responsive optane storage and about 1TB of RAM
😂
hushed frigate
yeah, I thought that would be enough at home :p
clear ferry
Last I saw was 200 as standard options
Now with 512GB persistent memory sticks too, local storage gets a boost
Great cache storage
hushed frigate
but that is only available on Intel Scalable, right?
clear ferry
Yes, who cares about AMD 🤢
clear ferry
Probably 2% of server sales are AMD at most
hushed frigate
still waiting for pcie 4 HBAs etc though
clear ferry
Haven't seen a customer max a 32Gb FC interface yet, let alone two
hushed frigate
and by the time we get those... pcie 5 will be released
clear ferry
So gen 4 isn't interesting imo
hushed frigate
I'm not talking about FC, but rather SAS4
hushed frigate
"local"... I run 3 DATA102's here at home
clear ferry
That is still local
clear ferry
Because you are on the wrong platform for so many drives
clear ferry
Or as I mentioned earlier, a nische case
hushed frigate
true, not everybody is an idiot like me with 3PB on a single system 😄
but it's for the crypto hobby, so I don't care
clear ferry
I've seen a lot of strange nische over the years, storage in Antarctica, customer self designed satellite controllers, redacted stuff , there is always someone doing something funky, that they might or might not should be doing
Remember one customer had some interesting pcie to 16 PCI chassis for PLC
That was pretty cool
Three of those attached to each server
fading zodiac
Stupid synolo nas. Didn't buy the RAm yet and now i cant create a VM above 255 ram 😂
clear ferry
Synology 🤢
inland wigeon
So my BloomSky has finally crapped itself. Anyone using an ECOWITT weather station? They seem to be all over Amazon AU for reasonable prices...
clear ferry
Just roll your own weather station @inland wigeon
clear ferry
Even more reason
inland wigeon
I'm "lucky" to be an essential worker at the moment, and plenty of overtime going. Much easier to knock out an OT shift and buy stuff than to screw around for days on a half-assed DIY solution.
forest edge
Guess who's back... back again..
forest edge
Two ATX's go round the outside, round the outside
a whole day of mowing.. what a day
amber bramble
sounds like a good time to invent a giant lawnmower roomba
clear ferry
I did three hitch runs to the dump, now I'm buying construction wood and screws for the next outdoor project
forest edge
finally building yourself an outhouse huh?
forest edge
our condenser fans are always on top in a horizontal position.
hushed basalt
Heat pumps need room to breath
A lot
Air source that is
I need to put some vents in my office cabinet now I put the homelab in there
Getting rather warm
forest edge
yea and ours are like this https://img.letgo.com/images/a0/4b/19/a0/a04b19a097c3af5516688f2cca3ef403.jpeg?impolicy=img_600
most kids couldn't reach grill that covers the fan till they are old enough to know not to stick thier fingers in it lol
last dirge
mine looks like this
last dirge
5 stage DC scroll compressor
forest edge
don't think those slender ones have heat pumps?
last dirge
heat pumps are squattier
forest edge
er heat pump capabale i mean
last dirge
mine's AC
clear ferry
We do both heating and AC with the same unit
forest edge
mine is like the picture i posted that has a heat pump
only ever see the heat pump used during fall lol
@clear ferry ours is same way
last dirge
heat pumps don't work too well when it's 90+ degrees and 90+ percent humidity
clear ferry
.c2f -35
velvet horizonBOT
clear ferry
It's the only source of heat and cooling we have all year
Works perfectly fine
Only put in a few logs in the oven if it passes -25c
forest edge
well your fine and our fine is likely two diffrent things
you were born covvered with yak fur lol
velvet horizonBOT
forest edge
ew
too warm
I like my 68/69f
if covid taught me anything it's that my next house will have an air exchanger
lol
i got an attic fan I don't ever use but used it to suck in fresh air and blow out the stale air last week
house is too sealed for stay at home living lol
last dirge
my house is set at 76 but the system draws humidity down so it feels 5 degrees cooler
.f2c 76
velvet horizonBOT
clear ferry
sand wolf
76 is very hot
scenic radish
69F (nice, 20.5C) in the winter, 74F (23.3C) in the summer. Colder at night for both when sleeping
sand wolf
I'm waiting for Google to finally release their new Nest API so I can automate my thermostat again
last dirge
76 at 50% relative humidity
scenic radish
Dew point of 56F, pretty comfortable
last dirge
the humidity control makes a MASSIVE difference
scenic radish
The more dry the better IMO
last dirge
except in the winter
scenic radish
Yup
last dirge
then my sinuses get all dried out
sand wolf
how to control humidity?
scenic radish
Dew point of 40F is like my favorite of all time
Not happening in the summer though unfortunately
Fall and spring only
last dirge
@sand wolf it runs the compressor with the fan at a lower speed
pretty sure Nest can do it
scenic radish
Depends on your blower
last dirge
at least it did when I had one
sand wolf
even if nest could do it, I can't integrate it with Hass anyway
last dirge
@scenic radish got a 5 stage compressor and variable fan 😉
scenic radish
Damn son
last dirge
it was $$$
sand wolf
right now it's just acting as a dumb thermostat
last dirge
but it's paid for itself
sand wolf
How do I find out how many stages I have?
spice depot
Im realy sorry if this is a dumb queston:
I downloaded the image from here: https://www.home-assistant.io/hassio/installation/
I dont see hass.io. I understand that hassio and homeassistant are different things
so how do I get hassio? is there a different image I should be using?
scenic radish
It's called Supervisor now
last dirge
@spice depot #330944238910963714
sand wolf
wrong channel I think, also hasio was renamed to Home Assistant Supervisor
scenic radish
Poopervised @spice depot
spice depot
ok, thanks
clear ferry
Pooperscoopervised
last dirge
hashtag hand-holding
clever mortar
last dirge
hashtag can't someone else do it
last dirge
hashtag wysiwyg
sand wolf
i wish I had enough active mods on my discord server to enforce a rule against hand holding
the entire help channel is just "can you read the install guide for me"
last dirge
@scenic radish 2550 sqft house, 2 zones on a single system
clear ferry
Like, even my apprentices 15 years ago would give up if there was no next next finish button, can't imagine today's kids
scenic radish
OK BOOMER
last dirge
@clear ferry there's also people your age ahem that are horrible with technology
clear ferry
What, did you just assume my age
last dirge
like my parents
scenic radish
@last dirge nice, a zoned system is the way to go
last dirge
@scenic radish if it's done right, yeah
scenic radish
last dirge
pushin 50
last dirge
OLD MAN
clear ferry
scenic radish
Lol
clear ferry
sand wolf
I was about to guess 35 actually
scenic radish
I was gonna guess 90
green inlet
You don’t look a day over 60
clear ferry
scenic radish
Ok Joe exotic
clear ferry
last dirge
NOT THAT STRAIGHT
scenic radish
I will never recover financially from this
Sounds like when I started on my smart home journey
forest edge
he's 35 but looks 90?
clear ferry
I will never recover age wise from this
last dirge
a tiger just ate one of my employee's limbs, so do you want a refund or what?
scenic radish
I have a feeling I'm the youngest here
hearty depot
Ludeeus?
forest edge
at 16 i'm sure you are
scenic radish
At the moment at least
last dirge
I'll be 39 this year
scenic radish
28 lol
last dirge
he said he was 15
green inlet
Depends if you talking actual age or maturity
hearty depot
Your favorit age?
scenic radish
Did he get his parents' permission to join discord?
sand wolf
discord will ban your account if you admit to being under 13
@hearty depot fail2ban time
clear ferry
@hearty depot don't call yourself such things
scenic radish
I'm 12
...plus 16
clear ferry
hearty depot
I need the emojy powers - to cheap
sand wolf
scenic radish
forest edge
ew they found two uhaul trucks in NY with dead bodies in them non refrigerated
one of the guys who helped carry them out of the trucks said blood was just dripping everywhere
green inlet
Wtf.....
forest edge
bodies were stored for a funeral home that was backed up but they never moved the bodies from the uhaul trucks to a refrigerator truck or anything
green inlet
Jello😂.....maybe you are the youngest here
forest edge
jello breakfast? wtf lol
clear ferry
🤢
hearty depot
Ever tryed proxmox?
hearty depot
So nauseate it just because.. ok, I can live with that 😄
sand wolf
oh hey the mobile app replaces Owntracks now
clever mortar
I prefer GPSLogger for location tracking, but that's because it's configurable as hell, and can be managed by Tasker 😄
sand wolf
I don't use tasker because it tends to break things on my device, but Automate seems to work well
hearty depot
I prefer the official app - nothing to friggle
clear ferry
The app tracking works very nice actually
clever mortar
When I'm at the office, I'm usually quite far from a window, so the GPS won't work, being able to toggle that off (in the app) is handy
green inlet
Proxmox as a jello replacement 🤔
clever mortar
Mmmmmm, crunchy
sand wolf
is there a built-in way to edit configuration.yaml without installing a file browser addon?
green inlet
All this home assistant talk getting in the way of jello and dead bodies in u-hauls.
clear ferry
I do 99% of edits via SSH, then play with the configurator once in a while
@green inlet dead jello bodies?
green inlet
#Dead jello u-haul bodies
sand wolf
@clear ferry how do you connect via ssh? The addon that is supposed to do this doesn't work for me
clever mortar
#330944238910963714 @sand wolf 😉
sand wolf
ok
clever mortar
Just to save you from 🤢 😉
sand wolf
got it
green inlet
I have missed the 🤢 lately 🤣
clear ferry
🤢 
🤢 
wet pilot
we need @forest edge to dump his funny ones
scenic radish
just no emoji pr0n this time
that was... so fucking funny
"i thought it was a finger"
--@forest edge
green inlet
Might be some TikTok #MomsOver40 videos in my future after that emoji
scenic radish
green inlet
What cherry candy do you always talk about?
scenic radish
Plus some random shit I found in a drawer
hearty depot
Who needs money when you can use GIMP
scenic radish
there are free global emotes you can get
hearty depot
.lmgtfy free global emotes
scenic radish
they're not as good as the paid ones but it's better than nothing
velvet horizonBOT
hearty depot
Thigh High Fan Club ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
scenic radish
hearty depot
Thanks ❤️
scenic radish
clear ferry
hearty depot
clear ferry
Well it's a 7+ year old gpu
The features are probably limited, but it can probably do something
clever mortar
Melt ice?
clear ferry
Speed up Excel probably
jagged mantle
And if i enable the integrated GPU then it disables my freaking internet....
please end me
clear ferry
That sounds like PEBKAC rather 
raw estuary
^That's the type of morning I am having.
scenic radish
P
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B
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L A Y E R 8
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I've been working on computers for over 30 years, very few problems aren't PEBKAC tbh 
scenic radish
never trust anyone, not even yourself
raw estuary
My end users always get embarrassed over PEBKAC's and I have to remind them that it took me 5 tries on the backend to get the process down so that I wouldn't PEBKAC while remote desktop'ed into their system.
clear ferry
scenic radish
ha phail
clear ferry
scenic radish
no
jagged mantle
how could that be a user error?
clear ferry
Stuff usually is
clever mortar
Outside of bugs in the code (still user error, just further back along the chain) things not working are usually down to a failure to follow the process
The rest of the time it's because you're doing something nobody thought of, and have found a new set of edge cases, again
clear ferry
Mmmmmm edge cases
My favourites
Why doesn't pxe booting work with this firmware and these switches and this pxe image on Tuesdays?
last dirge
and only when the hour's modulus of three is zero
first step in troubleshooting: what did I do wrong?
clear ferry
Then who can I blame
last dirge
nah, step two is determining who else knows
and if anyone does, THEN you determine who to blame
jagged mantle
ffs, now proxmox dosnt boot and my movie drive dosnt show up in bios or in windows
clear ferry
jagged mantle
think i lost all those movies....
jagged mantle
no, host on one and media on one
clear ferry
Yes, that is single drive
You want atleast raid 5 for all storage
Then backup on top of that
jagged mantle
well its not that bad, it will just take a day or two to rip the dvds again
im gonna try to reinstall proxmox and see if i can open the lvm disks again
clear ferry
Yes, I bought 4x10tb ones last year
And in the us you could get them even more reasonable
I think someone mentioned $170 each
last dirge
I'd have to buy 5 at once
clear ferry
I paid $210 and that was very reasonable
last dirge
I can't afford SSDs for a NAS
last dirge
looks like a decent NAS -like drive is ~250
clear ferry
I bought external drives and shucked them
last dirge
for 10TB
clear ferry
Was wd reds inside
last dirge
did you know that ahead of time or was it a nice surprise?
jagged mantle
the freaking drive have apparently died
it was working 6 hours ago with no errors or weird sounds
clear ferry
This is why nobody in their right mind stores anything on single drives
jagged mantle
but if you dont have money then what should you do
clear ferry
Use smaller drives, in larger quantities
jagged mantle
my server cant even have more than 3 drives
it was a 250gb
so like nothing big but still
clear ferry
Then it's a pretty useless storage server
wet pilot
250G how old?
clear ferry
I'm guessing very
jagged mantle
WD caviar black
wet pilot
"caviar" quite old then
clear ferry
I haven't seen a 250g drive in.... 15 years or more
jagged mantle
2008
jagged mantle
host drive 500gb 2012
the 250gb one has been in a tv recorder which didnt get used so much so i find it very weird that it died
or i suspect its dead since my pc dosnt pick it up, or my mac
wet pilot
head servo probably died
clear ferry
Again, minimum raid 5 for storage
I remember I had a server with 8 hot swappable drive bays in 2003, it was a monster
There were go, this one https://images.app.goo.gl/ruBzCXd4YPZhW95B7
Apparently only 6 were hot swap
The other two were in the 5 1/4 bays
Ran slackware on that for years, retired it in 2007 I think
jagged mantle
i think its a software fault tho beacuse boot drive stopped booting and media drive stopped showing
jagged mantle
boot drive shows but not media drive
the media drive is formated in lvm and in lvm-thin
scenic radish
Do you guys like Wendy's?
viral echo
never tried it
jagged mantle
I think i killed the drives and stuff when i messed with CSM
clever mortar
Certified Scrum Master 🤔
jagged mantle
i actually think i need CSM for stuff to work
scenic radish
Sounds kinky
jagged mantle
yes but atleast bootable
and now my monitor is showing out of range
yeah yeah, funny
scenic radish
INPUT NOT SUPPORT
jagged mantle
im just gonna unplug it and take out the cmos battery, fuck this
scenic radish
What's the problem?
clever mortar
CSM, Compatibility Support Module, is unlikely to be able to kill anything
jagged mantle
everything
clever mortar
Other than a few brain cells
scenic radish
Not that I can help, I'm just missing something
jagged mantle
i had a working proxmox instance with plex and 120gb of movies 6 hours ago, took out proxmox drives and tried Jellyfin baremetal and now nothing works
scenic radish
Oh no...
jagged mantle
now i have a dead drive, non booting host drive, bootable usbs not working
please end me
is clearing cmos a good idea?
clever mortar
It's unlikely to hurt more, or help unless you've been messing with BIOS settings
jagged mantle
i changed some bios stuff and then changed them back
clever mortar
If you changed them back, a clear is pointless
clever mortar
Depends on your motherboard
Maybe it's powering it down, setting the clear CMOS jumper, powering it on, powering it off, resetting the jumper
Maybe it's a setting in the BIOS menu
jagged mantle
took out the battery, put it back in a the freaking thing isnt even starting anymore
clever mortar
Did you let the magic smoke out?