#the-water-cooler | Home Assistant | Page 492

fading zodiac Apr 14, 2020, 11:36 AM

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Openhab?

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Yeh, i know :p

lapis drift Apr 14, 2020, 12:18 PM

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@clever mortar thx for your help figuring out the root of my problem. I now have a workaround via alexa routines that works!

amber bramble Apr 14, 2020, 12:53 PM

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Boo I've reached the point of folding@home where its gonna be a couple weeks to move up another rank in the team 😂

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 12:59 PM

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https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/04/13/google-assistant-adds-native-support-for-tvs-set-top-boxes-and-media-remotes/
For those bitching about media players going away in assistant

Android Police

Google Assistant adds native support for TVs, set-top boxes, and me...

Google Assistant already supports more than 60 device types, from smart lights and thermostats to more eccentric ones like dehydrators, pergolas, or

tidal bronze Apr 14, 2020, 1:21 PM

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@wet pilot was just reading this. Google assistant for blenders? How does that work ?😀

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 1:21 PM

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easy :P
https://developers.google.com/assistant/smarthome/guides/blender

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that's not even the weirdest thing on there

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 1:23 PM

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Go on then, what is 😛

tidal bronze Apr 14, 2020, 1:23 PM

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This is interesting as well https://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-reportedly-shifting-focus-next-gen-qd-oled-displays

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 1:24 PM

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i'd have to go with Yogurt maker:
https://developers.google.com/assistant/smarthome/guides/yogurtmaker
Though Pergula and Sous vide are up there too

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there's "Pet Feeder" and "mop" too

tidal bronze Apr 14, 2020, 1:26 PM

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Any word on GA handling timed events?

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 1:28 PM

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not that i've heard, but i haven't been paying super close attention

tidal bronze Apr 14, 2020, 1:28 PM

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Things like turn off fan in 30 minutes

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 1:28 PM

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that would definitely be cool

tidal bronze Apr 14, 2020, 1:30 PM

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Yep. Specially for TV etc.

wintry crow Apr 14, 2020, 1:31 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmiTSbgu7eQ Very educational...

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strange vapor Apr 14, 2020, 1:41 PM

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@clear ferry Speccing out a new desktop... All the cool kids are saying to go with AMD. Outside of Intel employees, you're the only one I know still backing Intel! Why shouldn't I go with a nice Threadripper? 😄

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Do whatever you want, but know I will

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🤢

scenic radish Apr 14, 2020, 1:41 PM

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🙄

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 1:42 PM

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But seriously, their last gen CPUs were a piece of shit for the server platform

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They have a new generation now, I haven't looked at the design yet

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Might be better

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Also consumer grade I'm way out of

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All i care about is uptime and stability, AMD ain't been good with either for me since the late 00s

strange vapor Apr 14, 2020, 1:47 PM

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Friend of mine is self isolating in the granny flat of aprivate DC in London. Currently replacing all the Intel with AMD Epyc. Lots of perf testing before they went near it and for their workload (some form of large data processing) AMD was leaving Intel in the dust. 12k servers to be replaced, rack by rack.

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 1:48 PM

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All depends on workload for sure

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And AMD is being very competitive with price, undercutting intel hard

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At a loss of course

bitter zinc Apr 14, 2020, 1:48 PM

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Oh yeah AMD has for sure shown their good side in the past year or two

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They now instead of being all trash are coming out with top of the line cpus lol

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Im still intel 4 life tho

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 1:49 PM

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Very few customers are interested in switching to AMD because they have to replace all of them in a cluster at once

strange vapor Apr 14, 2020, 1:58 PM

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Will be interesting to see how long that stays the case if AMD stays hammering Intel on performance and turn out to be very reliable.

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Depends on the workload I reckon

strange vapor Apr 14, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Yup, horses for courses and all that.

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:00 PM

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We even have costumers who don't buy AMD because they are too cheap

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If you don't use the whole budget, you lose it

strange vapor Apr 14, 2020, 2:01 PM

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I always hate that damn logic, though I understand why it exists.

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It's punishing people for being efficent.

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Yes, lots of that in state and military

bitter zinc Apr 14, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Intel will make a comeback

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 2:01 PM

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eventually

bitter zinc Apr 14, 2020, 2:01 PM

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They cant keep sending out crap cpus for this long and not have a good one coming

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 2:01 PM

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it'll take a couple of years to catch back up at this point

strange vapor Apr 14, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Look how long it has taken AMD to make a comeback.

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 2:02 PM

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lol they totally can

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:02 PM

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12 years tbh @strange vapor

strange vapor Apr 14, 2020, 2:02 PM

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No doubt they will, and it's nice to see some competition again.

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 2:02 PM

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pooping the same shit out for years with only a price increase to differentiate

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they just can't get away with it as hard anymore

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:02 PM

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That ain't true, compare a nehalem to a skylake ,they are way different beasts

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 2:03 PM

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i'm only going back like 5 years here

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not 10 😛

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:03 PM

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Well, an ivy bridge to a skylake then

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lmao

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Skylake is as different from previous generations as pentium Pro was to 486

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Now we have skylake successor too, don't remember the name off the top of my head

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 2:04 PM

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that's 4 years ago, just clock increases since then

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they haven't had a process change in a long time

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just now starting to roll out

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:06 PM

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@strange vapor just leave @clear ferry in his intel dream 😛

strange vapor Apr 14, 2020, 2:07 PM

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@midnight adder More fun to poke him!

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:07 PM

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throw a throtteling cpu to its head 😛

strange vapor Apr 14, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Seems HPE are jumping on the AMD bandwagon, so he may have no choice before long: https://www.hpe.com/emea_europe/en/solutions/amd.html

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:08 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/surprise-chris-pratt-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-shocked-gif-5571450

Tenor

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welcome to the family @clear ferry

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:09 PM

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@strange vapor been selling it for years already, but it's 5% of sales

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:09 PM

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because you 'sell' them i reckon

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Because nobody wants them, for above mentioned reasons lmao

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:11 PM

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they dont exist in the new 4000 series

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 2:11 PM

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their NUMA nodes were definitely trash for a while there

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Yes, we had a bunch of returns

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:11 PM

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ez clapping the cheeks 😛

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Because shit just crashed

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:18 PM

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imagine making these and when sensed unwanted movement when away retracting them into the wall lol

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 2:21 PM

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sounds like a code violation

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:21 PM

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🤔

strange vapor Apr 14, 2020, 2:22 PM

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https://twitter.com/tvaziri/status/1249915909562494977

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clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:31 PM

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@wet pilot you muuricans and your codes, no fun!

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 2:31 PM

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lol we take fire code pretty seriously

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:33 PM

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Imagine if you cared as much about yourselves lmao

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Bought glue gun sticks and plastic lacquer @last plaza let's see how it pans out

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If not I'll get Gator King ©®™ @dull chasm to send me muuuuurica stuff

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:41 PM

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is reolink a good brand or would you guys advice other brand for security cameras?

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i also asked this in #cameras-archived but expect people to know things about it that never look over there

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Does it have local streams? If so probably works

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Rtsp 4 lyfe

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:42 PM

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what do you mean with local streams

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📎 10697-appeltje-eitje-reolink-ip-camera-toevoegen-aan-reolink-nvr.png

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it is all loaded to a nvr

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Propitary nvr

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🤢

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:42 PM

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what are othger solutions?

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im new to this so i dont know other options

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Roll your own

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:43 PM

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i would if it was for me

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im setting up for somebody else

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that is not really gonna do anything besides basic use

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:49 PM

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https://media.tenor.com/images/679681a49dd975fc6bc9047211e4c569/tenor.gif

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:50 PM

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lol

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btw @clear ferry you will know

last dirge Apr 14, 2020, 2:50 PM

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your NVR probably NATs your cameras

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:50 PM

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when somebody unplugs one of the poe of a camera

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can they access the internet

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locally

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Depends

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On switch config

last dirge Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 PM

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probably not

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 PM

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i mean it goes through the NVR

last dirge Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 PM

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right

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 PM

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that should block that i guess

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 PM

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No idea

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Don't touch consumer stuff

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 PM

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and i dont have a clue on how to google that

last dirge Apr 14, 2020, 2:51 PM

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but if the NVR doesn't NAT them, they can get to your network

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:52 PM

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NAT let me googl ethat

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Easy to avoid with a managed switch, vlaning and if you are paranoid, virtual firewalls between networks that physically seperate them

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:54 PM

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vlaning in a managed switch?

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:54 PM

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raised_eye

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:55 PM

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ah thats a setting of the managed switch

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Yes, it's layer 2 networking 101 Nootnoot

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 2:59 PM

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how does it know then that it is a camera and not a laptop

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i dont get it XD

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i mean i get that you create a virtual network

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Backdraw of having worked with network switches for 24 years, ive done it longer than some of the people I talk to have been alive lmao

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 3:00 PM

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thus also with me as im 23

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😛

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Installed my first switch when I was 12, me and some friends co-bought one for LAN parties

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Or.... To be fair, it was a hub

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 3:01 PM

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but is vlan as easy as enabling it then?

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 3:01 PM

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And configuring it

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And understanding it

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And if needed routing it

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 3:01 PM

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i have a \switch i can access

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managed one

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clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Web based management 🤢

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Usually it is half assed implemented

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 3:02 PM

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boomer

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😛

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 3:02 PM

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And may or may not work as the standards

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 3:03 PM

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but thanks will do more researchh..

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 3:04 PM

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https://open.spotify.com/album/2AcOiEYDeMTAzUdVLJ0DP7?si=ty4ZYpcqQDyYFiWdPFCcAg

Spotify

Falling into Infinity

Falling into Infinity, an album by Dream Theater on Spotify

rare condor Apr 14, 2020, 3:27 PM

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I should comment my automations, 2000lines and not a single comment

tame cove Apr 14, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Hi everyone

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 3:32 PM

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ppBear

orchid rose Apr 14, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Many of my automations are completely commented out cuz I never got them to work properly 😢

scenic radish Apr 14, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Why not ask for help?

orchid rose Apr 14, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Giving up is easier than trying to get silly automations working 😄

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Because Finnish people aren't weak

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Ask the Russians

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They tried invading once, will never try again

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 3:36 PM

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I did, they said something that sounded rude, so I left them alone with their Vodka

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Nootnoot

last dirge Apr 14, 2020, 3:37 PM

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NOOT NOOT

rare condor Apr 14, 2020, 3:50 PM

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lol Oneplus now costs $1000

sour escarp Apr 14, 2020, 3:58 PM

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dang, pfsense took a crap on me for the first time.... got up this morning, internet was down, rebooted pfsense and it came back up. I assumed my provider was down

scenic radish Apr 14, 2020, 4:02 PM

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OneThousandPlus

rare condor Apr 14, 2020, 4:05 PM

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I was watching the keynote and the guy said it so enthusiastically as well

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It was such a tone death presentation, apple inspired and generally bad

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But $49 earphones looked decent

scenic radish Apr 14, 2020, 4:06 PM

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i'm still using an OG pixel xl

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i've tried the 2XL, the 3, and the 3a XL and was unimpressed by all of them

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 4:07 PM

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i'm still using the 2xl

rare condor Apr 14, 2020, 4:07 PM

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I'm still using a cup and string

scenic radish Apr 14, 2020, 4:07 PM

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lol

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IMO the pixel XL had the best display out of all the ones i tried

rare condor Apr 14, 2020, 4:08 PM

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meh

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I never liked the pixels due to price

scenic radish Apr 14, 2020, 4:08 PM

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that's why you wait for it to be $200+ off months after release lol

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 4:08 PM

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They're not cheap, but I prefer them to any weird ass "skin"

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Yeah, I've only bought mine on discount

scenic radish Apr 14, 2020, 4:09 PM

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yup. i like the stock android experience

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or buy them a year behind like i do

rare condor Apr 14, 2020, 4:09 PM

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But seriously how does Oneplus think audience will accept this, biggest market is India even as premium handset a lot of consumers will back away from a 1k$ smartphone

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I like stock but with subtle enhancements (think Nokia, Oneplus etc.)

orchid rose Apr 14, 2020, 4:25 PM

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The audience has accepted it from the other manufacturers as well

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 4:26 PM

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Found a picture of @tinkerer fixing something

📎 15868815666014078849997016833743.jpg

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 4:30 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/chris-evans-kim-basinger-cellular-10dHotK4K8R0AM

Giphy

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 4:42 PM

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hi

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 4:42 PM

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PepeLightsabers

hearty depot Apr 14, 2020, 4:42 PM

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ähm.. yea.. sad but oneplus is now a dead brand for me 🤷
the new saftynet implementation gets me another headake...
as far as I can tell that will kill custom roms

leaden adder Apr 14, 2020, 4:44 PM

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How do you guys hide your home automations stuff? 😄 I love shellys but I don't really now how to make an installation pretty 😦

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📎 image0.jpg

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Dig a hole in the ground, and use it to hide the bodies of those who complain

leaden adder Apr 14, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Uhm so that would be me as a first complainer 🙈

hearty depot Apr 14, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Go! Get the shovel
What is that btw? your heater?

leaden adder Apr 14, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Yes, it's my 30 years old thermostat which I can control now via Alexa, Siri and automations <3
Just added the temperature sensor add-on because I found Bluetooth too unreliable.

hearty depot Apr 14, 2020, 4:51 PM

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and youre getting the power from the thermostat.. Holy I would love that, I think I cant do that nly 3 wires here and to turn the heater on I have to connect neutral and live

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Just put a box over it

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Presto

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Something like this https://images.app.goo.gl/PkPEinGwF5zHQGyk7

leaden adder Apr 14, 2020, 4:52 PM

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@hearty depot This is exactly my setup, 3 wire but I have to disconnect neutral and live to turn the heater on. Template switch in ha ftw

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@clear ferry That looks great! this may be a dumb question but what did you searched for? If I search for "box" at my local Hardware store I get anything but that 😄

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 4:56 PM

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In Norwegian it is called utenpåliggende koblingsboks

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No idea what it's called in other languages

storm summit Apr 14, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Looks like the GUI is taking over yaml :(. I thought that wasn't supposed to happen!

dull chasm Apr 14, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Who did u poke @clear ferry

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 4:57 PM

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wtf

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 4:57 PM

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@storm summit Not quite

storm summit Apr 14, 2020, 4:57 PM

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I just discovered some configruation options are only in the gui for integrations. if you add them via yaml you loose functionality.

dull chasm Apr 14, 2020, 4:57 PM

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But kinda

storm summit Apr 14, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Sad day.

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 4:58 PM

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I've not seen that myself, but yeah, there's something that are GUI only - some of that even makes sense

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I think a lot comes down to HA making GUI setup easy, but not YAML, so devs will naturally take the easy route

dull chasm Apr 14, 2020, 4:58 PM

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🦀

scenic radish Apr 14, 2020, 4:59 PM

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So I made a bitfield calculator in Excel that shows you what features are supported based on the supported_features attribute

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You paste in the supported features list and type in the number

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Then it uses solver to highlight the supported features

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Nice

scenic radish Apr 14, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Got tired of guessing and adding the numbers that looked right lol

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We have machines for these things

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 5:03 PM

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aRoo_ThrowMoney

last plaza Apr 14, 2020, 5:08 PM

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That would be a good command to implement for @velvet horizon

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.supported_features 214

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 5:08 PM

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would need to know all the base platforms

last plaza Apr 14, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Yes.

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Now do @wet pilot idea @last plaza

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PepePopcorn

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 5:09 PM

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i think there's an off the shelf bot that can do that

last plaza Apr 14, 2020, 5:09 PM

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lol - first I need to see tediore’s spreadsheet

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Off the shelf bots are not very friendly. IMO

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 5:10 PM

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the #672217570283094017 idea @last plaza

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self roles based on reactions for channel access

last plaza Apr 14, 2020, 5:11 PM

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That would be cool! 😎

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 5:46 PM

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yup

latent patio Apr 14, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Hello 👋 I'm a developer from France. I've been working with IOT in my previous job (smart cities mainly), now moving to a new location and finally trying to use some skills. New to Home Assistant btw. 🙂

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Did not know you have NodeRed integration, that's cool, it is actually my previous work tool

tidal bronze Apr 14, 2020, 5:54 PM

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@clever mortar how many holes so far?

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Just one

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It occupies all of the garden though 🤔

tidal bronze Apr 14, 2020, 5:55 PM

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🤣

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 6:16 PM

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@latent patio welcome here have some chefkiss bread1 bread2 bread2 bread2 bread2 bread3 iLOVEyou

latent patio Apr 14, 2020, 6:16 PM

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eheh 🙂

scenic radish Apr 14, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Lol the bread emojis

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Atx, you never cease to surprise me

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 6:18 PM

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rageFUUU

scenic radish Apr 14, 2020, 6:19 PM

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GWchadLENNYTHINK

honest geode Apr 14, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Anyone got any fun projects going on?

low harness Apr 14, 2020, 6:31 PM

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esphome nodemcu controlling a heat pump via IR.

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First esphome project. Kind of neat.

honest geode Apr 14, 2020, 6:32 PM

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I did that for my TV, to turn off the display but keep the music running 😄

low harness Apr 14, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Oh, and a docker container that connects to an rflink and translates between that and MQTT for Home Assistant with auto discovery.

honest geode Apr 14, 2020, 6:32 PM

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dirty, but works 😄

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low harness Apr 14, 2020, 6:33 PM

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How long did you work on otimizing those delays?

honest geode Apr 14, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Trial and error. Some menus are slow, others are fast

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 6:34 PM

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that's nuts 😄

honest geode Apr 14, 2020, 6:34 PM

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But seeing the TV going through the menus "by itself" is satisfying 😄

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 6:37 PM

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That's perverse rrrage

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noice, I just remembered I had some Blitzwolf SPH6 plugs I ordered a while back

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tuya convert works

empty ravine Apr 14, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Hey guys, how's it going? Hope all is well and everybody's staying safe! 🤘

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Nope, we are on fire

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save us

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for the love of Dog

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hurry

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Just sayin' 😛

empty ravine Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Is there a specific channel for asking questions related to networking on hass.io?
I actually thought of directing the question straight to @junior forge given it's somewhat related to Wireguard, but either way I'm sure that the #the-water-cooler is not the place to do it! 🙂

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 PM

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#330944238910963714

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And, tagging folks like that... considered a bit rude 😉

junior forge Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 PM

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You rang my lord?

empty ravine Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Sorry, this is my very first time on Discord. Didn't mean bad.

junior forge Apr 14, 2020, 6:59 PM

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😂

empty ravine Apr 14, 2020, 6:59 PM

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I'll jump into #330944238910963714

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 6:59 PM

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I need to get around to configuring wireguard on my opnsense

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it worked nicely in my initial testing from a debian box

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but I want it permanently on my perifery

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 7:01 PM

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I installed it the other day using pivpn - was stupidly easy

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 7:02 PM

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angryboi

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 7:05 PM

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#hardware-archived would be a good place to ask

midnight adder Apr 14, 2020, 7:06 PM

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yeah, that's a good point, sorry 🙂

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 7:23 PM

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still no crash of HA after switching from mariadb to postgres on the same docker host

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interesting

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 7:23 PM

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🎉

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So, somewhere along the line the MySQL/MariaDB part of SQLalchemy went 💣

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 7:24 PM

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perhaps ?

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not sure quite what happened, move to freebsd venv, upgrade of mariadb, upgrade of HA to 108, and started using lovelace UI editing in a new dashboard

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Doods nailing it as usual

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peepoBox

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 7:42 PM

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lol what did it think was a train?

forest edge Apr 14, 2020, 7:51 PM

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atx coming home. what else would it think it was?

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wait.. when was core renamed alternative? how did i miss that?

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Recently, to see if it reduces the strays

forest edge Apr 14, 2020, 7:54 PM

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there will always be strays lol

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 7:55 PM

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@wet pilot probably my fat ass

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monkaX

steel urchin Apr 14, 2020, 7:59 PM

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tmw you leave duckdns setup for custom domain, and then through tinkering hit rate limits and lose your certs in the same process, and now your entire setup is b0rked

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Duckdns 🤢

steel urchin Apr 14, 2020, 7:59 PM

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i didn't have the domain when i first set it up, and the docs/setup were easy..

I dunno, i think duckdns is pretty nice, easy to use/setup, and provides a pretty solid service

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Provided

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Recently they've been going down more than the employment rate 🤔

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Going down more than.... No I won't go there

steel urchin Apr 14, 2020, 8:03 PM

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really? I did have an issue 2 days ago which actually spurred this, but I was blaming AWS dns, because all other nameservers seemed to resolve just fine

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but before that, i haven't noticed any issues

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 8:04 PM

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There's been at least two days recently where they've been horribly unreliable

green inlet Apr 14, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Auh, that’s good to know. I thought it was me 😎

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I think one of them was yesterday

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 8:06 PM

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yep, yesterday was worse

steel urchin Apr 14, 2020, 8:06 PM

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well either way my issue is i hit a rate limit like a dolt

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 8:08 PM

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I'll stick with the company I've hadn't had downtime with for 20 years lmao

sour escarp Apr 14, 2020, 8:08 PM

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hi

steel urchin Apr 14, 2020, 8:09 PM

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well i realized just now i may not really ever notice an issue in most cases because I use my own internal DNS cuz of broken NAT hairpin.... as long as the cert was valid i was golden

green inlet Apr 14, 2020, 8:12 PM

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I thought duckdns was somehow tied into letsencrypt. That is why I use them. The more I learn the more I think that is not the case. My vpn is through no-ip and I have never had a problem with them. Of course, I got an email from google today saying they were lowing the bandwidth on my camera. The internet is on its way to breaking with everyone home using it

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 8:13 PM

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Yeah, mixing DNS and SSL certificate providers seems pretty common

wet pilot Apr 14, 2020, 8:16 PM

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blame the addon

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 8:20 PM

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@green inlet our Norwegian internets are just fine thank you angeryping

clever mortar Apr 14, 2020, 8:21 PM

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You've upgraded PoAC to use eagles instead of pigeons then?

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Avian carriers with QoS thank you

tame cove Apr 14, 2020, 8:27 PM

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just upgraded to 0.108.4

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i can't see any changes yet

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 8:28 PM

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wtf

last plaza Apr 14, 2020, 8:30 PM

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@clear ferry tensorflow somehow thinks front yard landscape is an airplane.

📎 image0.png

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Shittiest airplane I've ever seen

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Don't board

last plaza Apr 14, 2020, 8:30 PM

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And it is pretty sure 95% 😂

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Please

last plaza Apr 14, 2020, 8:30 PM

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lol. I tried to fly, but doesn’t work 😝

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 8:31 PM

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blobsweat

forest edge Apr 14, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Going down more than.... No I won't go there
@clear ferry what kind of norway joke did you have?

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 8:58 PM

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One about...

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No I don't go there

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thinkcavebob

lavish eagle Apr 14, 2020, 9:25 PM

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I just set up wake on lan.

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I accidentally pressed the button.

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And my pc turned on.

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Somehow it was like magic XD

forest edge Apr 14, 2020, 9:26 PM

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I remember the first time I flipped a light switch and a light came on. I felt the exact same way

lavish eagle Apr 14, 2020, 9:28 PM

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Hehe

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Idk why it happens

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but it is a great feeling XD

forest edge Apr 14, 2020, 9:29 PM

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bah humbug someone brokered the bar card

steel urchin Apr 14, 2020, 9:30 PM

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@green inlet ah, no L/E is more like an orchestration of certbot through configuration over convention/code, and one means of supplying authority is DNS, and duckdns has enough support to allow the integration

clear ferry Apr 14, 2020, 9:38 PM

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@lavish eagle then you should try a single command to power on 700 blade servers

old lark Apr 14, 2020, 9:56 PM

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whats best room to ask about themes?

junior forge Apr 14, 2020, 10:02 PM

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@old lark #frontend-archived

forest edge Apr 14, 2020, 10:30 PM

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hmm wonder where the myq integration is pulling this info LiftMaster Wi-Fi GDO DC w/Battery Backup cause that couldn't be more wrong lol

scenic radish Apr 14, 2020, 11:23 PM

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@lavish eagle don't listen to the h8rs, I think it's cool too

forest edge Apr 14, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Trump throwing the WHO into the fire lol

dull chasm Apr 14, 2020, 11:40 PM

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@forest edge The WHO and UN both walk around with thier shiny helmets and accomplish nothing ... Have been with both over a ten year span in muliple countries.

forest edge Apr 14, 2020, 11:41 PM

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well now they just lost their biggest funding so they will have to be selling those shiny helmets to keep the lights on

dull chasm Apr 14, 2020, 11:42 PM

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yep .... they try to be so pc and please everybody that they accomplish nothing ...They where with us in somolia handing out rice ... well they watched and basiclly said hey that should help ....dumb arse we where in country preparing for a raid ...

wispy otter Apr 14, 2020, 11:45 PM

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Hi all :)
I have a debian install for my home assistant. I have install mosquitto broker and when i start it, have this message: "1586907052: Warning: Mosquitto should not be run as root/administrator."
don't understand why :/

dull chasm Apr 14, 2020, 11:46 PM

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generally its bad practice to run software as root vs a user ...

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although i mostly dont

wispy otter Apr 14, 2020, 11:46 PM

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yes i think but why software run as root ?

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home assistant ?

dull chasm Apr 14, 2020, 11:47 PM

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a) your really in the wrong channel
B) how did you install
C) Tink would be proud

wispy otter Apr 14, 2020, 11:47 PM

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oh sorry

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where is the better channel for me ?

forest edge Apr 14, 2020, 11:49 PM

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@wispy otter #integrations-archived

wispy otter Apr 14, 2020, 11:49 PM

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ok thanks 🙂

tidal bronze Apr 15, 2020, 12:42 AM

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@forest edge so you flipped a switch at some point huh.

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Some people are flipping out over the newest announcement, what a surprise...

shy comet Apr 15, 2020, 1:10 AM

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the yaml post? yea

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 1:12 AM

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reading is hard

last plaza Apr 15, 2020, 1:20 AM

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This isn’t the first time

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 1:21 AM

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won't be the last

last plaza Apr 15, 2020, 1:21 AM

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true

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 1:21 AM

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will probably be another one when HA goes gold

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#add-ons-archived

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 1:28 AM

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gold?

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 1:28 AM

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1.0.0

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 1:28 AM

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oh gold master

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 1:28 AM

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yup

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 1:28 AM

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why do you think that?

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 1:29 AM

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ERHMAHGHRD A BUG THAT AFFECTS ONLY ME IS TOTALLY BREAKING EVERYTHING HOW COULD THIS POSSIBLY BE CONSIDERED 1.0.0

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missing <x very obscure feature>

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and so on

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 1:30 AM

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Home Assistant still doesn't work with 5.25" Floppies, project failed!

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 1:30 AM

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pretty much

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 1:35 AM

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I'll admit I have some reservations about the direction of yaml. I think its the right direction but my main concern is portability, backing up .storage isn't as nice as couple of yaml files in my opinion. In saying that I understand why this approach is taken

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 1:35 AM

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i mean, its still all json in storage

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 1:35 AM

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ROAST ME 😛

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 1:35 AM

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you can change control that

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Also bit confused with Shareability & Security section, is the blog post suggesting a new sharing function will be added to Home Assistant which manages the sharing of integration added?

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 1:38 AM

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i think there was previous coverage on that topic at some point

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i didn't read too closely though

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 1:38 AM

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hmmm...

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maybe I missed it

shy comet Apr 15, 2020, 1:38 AM

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at the end of the day

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if all you have to do is copy your config directory

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then whats teh difference lol

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 1:39 AM

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The setup and how Home Assistant works and the readability, i.e. I backup to Git and I can see all my configurations from one file

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Its not a bad decision but there are changes

shy comet Apr 15, 2020, 1:40 AM

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they are also listed on the info panel now

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 1:41 AM

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that doesn't tell me the configuration

shy comet Apr 15, 2020, 1:44 AM

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yea but if your talking about a user trying to copy your configuration jsut reading it wont help them understand....they need the docs for that

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 1:47 AM

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For a user who doesn't understand code maybe not but I am looking at https://github.com/topics/home-assistant-config for inspiration frequently, most integrations are in plain english, i.e. ipaddress, name etc. again I understand the rationale for the changes. It makes sense, but it will be a subtle change to how things work

shy comet Apr 15, 2020, 1:47 AM

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yea i get that, but you gotta look back to when you first started HA or when anyone first started

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struggling to start an integration is a more frustrating experience if you dont know YAML

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tahts a big initial learning curve

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 1:48 AM

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@clear ferry I am curious what your opinions are, I was talking the other day (as a unix guy) you said your cli first and didn't use UI elements.

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sure, 100% and this will open the project up to more people for sure and its the right approach to make Home Assistant more accessible. But it will mean some flexibility will be lost

shy comet Apr 15, 2020, 1:50 AM

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IMO one time setup is ok to be in the UI but if you need tweak something often it dosent work well

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how often do you chagne your username and password? only when you change the password

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or change an IP address

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some of those things are meant to be setup once and done

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for me personally not having to restart HA to add a config flow is what im most happy about and ok with the change

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the less restarts the better

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 1:54 AM

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tbh I don't care as long as they make the transition as painless as possible. i.e. I don't want to have to remake frontend stuff. Hopefully whatever changes do occur in the future are mindful of this

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 1:58 AM

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unfortunately its up to the content dev

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supporting both flows isn't easy

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 2:00 AM

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There isn't any personal data in .storage right presently i.e. password etc. going to add that to my git repo now.

shy comet Apr 15, 2020, 2:03 AM

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there are

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core.config_entries

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core.entity_registry can have mac addresses too

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 2:03 AM

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yeah just had a look lots of juicy details

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hmm...

green inlet Apr 15, 2020, 2:04 AM

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Hey, @clear ferry , how do I get access to the Norway internet?

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 2:04 AM

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@forest edge so you flipped a switch at some point huh.
@tidal bronze us old school people don't have fancy no touch setups to turn on things, we still gotta manually do it. 😜

green inlet Apr 15, 2020, 2:04 AM

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Can you give me your log on?

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 2:05 AM

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SO I guess at present backups to git aren't possible with revealing user identifiable information

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 2:05 AM

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are they plain text?

green inlet Apr 15, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Wtf.....where did core go....lmao

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 2:06 AM

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-> #672217570283094017

green inlet Apr 15, 2020, 2:06 AM

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#identityCrisis

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 2:06 AM

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trying to stop the n00bz from going to the wrong neighborhood

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 2:06 AM

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Rebranded as alternative, core is only for weridos and hipppies I suppose? 🤔

tidal bronze Apr 15, 2020, 2:06 AM

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@shy comet will integration option be editable ? Like IP address port changes? Or remove and add?

green inlet Apr 15, 2020, 2:07 AM

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Well I am a weirdo and a hippy

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 2:07 AM

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#core is for @scenic radish

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 2:07 AM

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@wet pilot Yeah all plain text, like cloud ids, tokens very critical info

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 2:07 AM

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disappointing

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i might have to look in to how we do that in my dayjob project

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 2:08 AM

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I think based on the blog post its a future feature, at the moment data + config are not separated

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 2:08 AM

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my current project stores passwords to make API calls to external systems but they're not stored in the clear

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 2:10 AM

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they stored in the murky?

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 2:15 AM

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encrypted with a docker secret iirc

green inlet Apr 15, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Murky might be much more appealing

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Just me though

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“Sir, if you don’t mind me asking, where are passwords to make API calls to external systems stored?”
“Well they are stored in the murky”
“👍🏻”

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 3:00 AM

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sent an email to shelly asking if they could suggest other outlets that sell their products state side and they replied with.. "thank you for the email, we opened a ticket"

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 3:02 AM

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sounds automated

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 3:02 AM

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felt automated too

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like calling the poison hotline and getting the answering machine really

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 3:04 AM

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\s/poison/suicide/g

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 3:05 AM

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poison hotline is better cause you can hear they think you are an idiot in their voice while the suicide one they are taught to mask that as much as possible

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 3:09 AM

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yeah, but imagine suicide hotline going to voicemail. "even they don't care about me"

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 3:10 AM

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that would suck, especially if it played elevator music in the background while you waited for the beep

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 3:39 AM

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I just realized this is probably the first time sanitation workers have been praised on a mass scale lol

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 3:41 AM

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hah probably

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sanitation, food service

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 3:46 AM

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kind of sad when you think about what it would be like without them even before the virus lol

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 3:47 AM

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some people don't realize how unappreciated retail workers in particular are

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 3:47 AM

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yeah...

sour escarp Apr 15, 2020, 3:53 AM

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it's ok, they don't think of customers ad being unappreciative, they just think of them as bitches and assholes

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 3:53 AM

#

fiancee and i finished painting the master bedroom this weekend. went from this:

📎 IMG_20190713_095419.jpg

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to this:

📎 IMG_20191020_203853.jpg

sour escarp Apr 15, 2020, 3:54 AM

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glad your TV doesn't have wires hanging down 🤛

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 3:55 AM

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nice choice

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i like darker rooms

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 3:57 AM

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You're confusing my brain

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Are these photos different corners of the room

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 4:00 AM

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@scenic radish so the HOA approval of such a change had a much faster turn around then the expected 14 months?

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wait something is off with these pictures...

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I see doors that aren't exits to the condo.. that cannot be right

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:02 AM

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@sour escarp thank you, i ran power up from an existing outlet behind that dresser
@wet pilot thanks, it's perfect for a bedroom, very relaxing
@hushed basalt yep, sry. the door in the first pic is out of frame on the right

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@forest edge i know you're joking but no need to get permission for doing things inside your unit lol

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 4:03 AM

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was about to ask how that sheet you painted was able to hold that tv lol

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:04 AM

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You need a licensed electrician to operate a toaster in Australia

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Or at least it feels like it

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Can't even legally change a light fitting like for like

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Or replace a power connector

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 4:05 AM

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I didn't think au liked toast.. seriously lol

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:05 AM

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What do you think we put our vegemite onto

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 4:05 AM

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🤢

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:06 AM

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Trick question

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We apply it to our face like a mask

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:06 AM

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bamboozled again

#

ok why tf did my laptop suddenly jump to 92 C

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:07 AM

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https://media.tenor.com/images/5dca4b40a05aa0bba1c4a31a99f6c647/tenor.gif

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:07 AM

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i have chrome, a terminal window, and VS code with a simple python program open

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Well that's two browser apps alone

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:07 AM

#

oh wait

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i know why

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my laptop is from 2011

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and has an i7

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 4:08 AM

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heh

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2 chrome tabs

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:08 AM

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Between chrome engine and chromium in vscode

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I'm surprised your desk hasn't melted

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I need to root my phone

#

It's ridiculous

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:09 AM

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fan at 4200 RPM AND RISING

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4400 RPM

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:09 AM

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It's like equivalent to a 4gb computer running windows 10

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Unusable

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:09 AM

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I FEEL INTEL POWERCLAMP KICKING IN

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:09 AM

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Full of Samsung crapware

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You could have faulty thermal compound too

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 4:10 AM

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sammy needs to quit it with software. they are not good at it

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:10 AM

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No. No they are not.

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Lol bixby

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:10 AM

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my laptop hit tjunction max last week and shut down lol

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100 C 🔥

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:10 AM

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I love having a dedicated button on my phone to open a service I don't want or use and can't disable

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I don't really know much about phones and roms and roots and all that hackerman stuff

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All I want is a vanilla android rom that lets me still do OTA updates

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:11 AM

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i used to root my phones back in the KitKat days

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tbh stock android has gotten so good i haven't felt the need to root in years

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Samsung isn't stock android though

#

Hence the rub

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:12 AM

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right

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i got u

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Imagine if Dell made their own flavour of windows 10

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:12 AM

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2X7GCUhZJs

YouTube

BatteriesNotIncluded

Give your meat a good ol' rub

Yeah boi!

▶ Play video

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:12 AM

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And put it on all their inspirons

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And you couldn't remove it

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And you didn't have administrator access to your computer

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That's the samsung experience

tough igloo Apr 15, 2020, 4:13 AM

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So I just caught up on the whole yaml announcement. Bit of a storm in a teacup amirite bois

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:13 AM

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What what

#

What's happening

#

Did Toml finally murder yaml

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Die toml die

tough igloo Apr 15, 2020, 4:13 AM

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😂 there was a future of yaml blog post

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:14 AM

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HA specific or industry wide?

tough igloo Apr 15, 2020, 4:14 AM

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HA specific

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Seems to have gotten some people all 😭

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:15 AM

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yeah some people have lost their shit as is tradition with these posts

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:18 AM

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I read the blog

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I'll need some time to digest it

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:19 AM

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why can't i do this in python wail

for key in zip_values if key in monitored_zips.keys():

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jinja's got me all mixed up now

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 4:19 AM

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need an Eminem Coronavirus song

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:20 AM

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now this looks like COVID-19, so everybody... stay away from me

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 4:21 AM

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should be able to?

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:22 AM

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gave me a syntax error but it turns out it was

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PEBKAC

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nope, wtf

#

this works:

for key in zip_values:
  if key['zip'] in monitored_zips.keys():
    summary.update({key['zip']: key['confirmed_cases'] })

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this doesn't:

for key in zip_values if key['zip'] in monitored_zips.keys():
  summary.update({key['zip']: key['confirmed_cases'] })

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also i do actually have four spaces but discord apparently converted that to two

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    for key in zip_values if key['zip'] in monitored_zips.keys():
                                                                ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 4:25 AM

#

>>> list1 = ['a', 'b', 'c', 'd']
>>> dict1 = {'a': 'a', 'd': 'd'}
>>> list2 = [key for key in list1 if key in dict1.keys()]
>>> list2
['a', 'd']

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:26 AM

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wtf

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oh nvm

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list comprehension

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 4:26 AM

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that's a way

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not sure if its the right way. too many beers already

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:27 AM

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eh, my ugly nested if works

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:45 AM

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Changing between jinja, javascript, python and yaml expansion messes me up

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:46 AM

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i have trouble keeping the syntax straight between python, sql, and ahem excel

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:46 AM

#

Also it's good practice not to mutate your objects

#

So make a new list or whatever

#

Basically what phnx said

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:48 AM

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summary is a new dict

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:48 AM

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It's a grey area. but it gets updated every iteration of that loop

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:49 AM

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here's what i'm doing, any thoughts?

from requests import get
import json

monitored_zips = {
  '00000': 'not',
  '00000': 'for',
  '00000': 'you',
  '00000': 'silly'
}

page = get('JSON endpoint and i don't want them to catch on that i know it so i removed it')
data = page.json()

year = str(data['LastUpdateDate']['year'])
month = str(data['LastUpdateDate']['month'])
day = str(data['LastUpdateDate']['day'])

summary = {'attribution': 'Data provided by dph.illinois.gov', 'updated': month + '/' + day + '/' + year}

zip_values = data['zip_values']

for key in zip_values:
  if key['zip'] in monitored_zips.keys():
    summary.update({key['zip']: key['confirmed_cases'] })

print(json.dumps(summary))

file = open('/home/pi/.hass/.other/covid_local.txt', 'w')
file.write(json.dumps(summary))
file.close()

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:49 AM

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I'm very rusty on python

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I haven't used it in like a year haha

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:50 AM

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ah gotcha

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 4:51 AM

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It's good practice to use a with statement to open files

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so it will close the file if your program crashes

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Also if you use month/day/year formatting in code I'll have to kill you

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:53 AM

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lol it's what my locale uses

#

📎 Screenshot_from_2020-04-14_23-54-01.png

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i wanted it to look pretty

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it's for display only

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 4:55 AM

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i 2nd the with open() as file: context manager

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:56 AM

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oh nice, and i see that automatically closes it whether successful or not

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 4:56 AM

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yep

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 4:58 AM

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thanks for the hot tip bois

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 4:59 AM

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also use wb for your file type and then do json.dump(summary) no s in dump

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that'll stop it from string wrapping

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:00 AM

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interesting...

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 5:01 AM

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it'll open it as a byte stream and json.dump() will dump in a byte stream

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or bit stream

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whatever

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🍺

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:03 AM

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I would change requests to import directly and then use requests.get(...) instead

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:04 AM

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I'M NOT CHANGING IT ANYMORE

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jk

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:04 AM

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import requests
requests.get(...)

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You'll thank us in 6 months

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wtf is a get for, is that for getting keys from a dict

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 5:04 AM

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yeah...

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:05 AM

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wait... is something happening with python or requests in 6 months?

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:05 AM

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With you

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When you have to change something

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And you have no idea what you did

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 5:05 AM

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"what asshole wrote this shit!?" "oh, wait..."

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:06 AM

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lol

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Sometimes it goes the other way if you haven't been learning

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"How the hell did I manage to write this"

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 5:06 AM

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heh

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i'm looking back at stuff i wrote when i started my current gig and i hate it

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:07 AM

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made that change too, thanks for the tip

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i've literally only been able to do web scraping shit and this... step above web scraping

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at least this time i'm parsing JSON...

#

i'm almost ashamed to have written this:

import requests
URL = 'http://wkqx.tunegenie.com/'
page = requests.get(URL)
text = page.text
song = (text[text.find('<div class="song">')+18:text.find('</div>',text.find('<div class="song">'))])
artist = (text[text.find('<div>',text.find(song))+5:text.find('<span',text.find(song))])

song_name = open("/config/.other/song_info", "w")
song_name.write(song.replace("&#39;","'").replace("&amp;","&").replace("3 Doors Sown","3 Doors Down").replace("LONLINESS FOR LOVE","LONELINESS FOR LOVE").strip() + ' • ' + artist.replace("&#39;","'").replace("&amp;","&").strip())
song_name.close()

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:08 AM

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Also I would put your monitored zips into a nested dictionary

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:08 AM

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not even using beautifulsoup

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just grabbing the source code and using a ridiculous find like an animal

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but guess what

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it works

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 5:09 AM

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oh, look at beautiful soup

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:09 AM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/397426163649216512/699848514276032526

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lol

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 5:09 AM

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heh

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:10 AM

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When all you have is a hammer

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everything looks like a nail

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:13 AM

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Also I would put your monitored zips into a nested dictionary
@hushed basalt what do you mean?

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:14 AM

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It looks to me like your summary dictionary is flat

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as in the keys for all the zips are at the same level as attribution and updated

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You'll have to change whatever you're using to display the results

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But it's just good to seperate metadata from actual data

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:17 AM

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oh i see what you mean

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that's a good point

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:18 AM

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If someone wanted to cleanly iterate over your monitored zips they could do it very cleanly

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:18 AM

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i was just happy that i was able to do this with minimal googling tbh

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:18 AM

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It's always good to just get it done

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 5:18 AM

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MVP

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:18 AM

#

Then backfill

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Small wins

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 5:19 AM

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unit tests, hardening, exception handling

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:22 AM

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so instead of:

{"attribution": "Data provided by dph.illinois.gov", "updated": "4/14/2020", "00000": 63, "11111": 32, "22222": 124, "33333": 49, "44444": 55, "55555": 28, "66666": 47, "77777": 53}
``` it could be

{"attribution": "Data provided by dph.illinois.gov", "updated": "4/14/2020", "confirmed_cases": {"00000": 63, "11111": 32, "22222": 124, "33333": 49, "44444": 55, "55555": 28, "66666": 47, "77777": 53}}

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 5:22 AM

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@rare condor some gui stuff makes more sense, but I believe cli should always be an option for core features

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:23 AM

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@scenic radish that's right

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:23 AM

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i believe you mean #672217570283094017 features

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 5:23 AM

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@green inlet easy, leave shitty muurica internet behind, come to Norwat

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:23 AM

#

more like borewat

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:24 AM

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that way if you want confirmed cases they can just go {% for k,v in {{ summary.confirmed_cases }} %} or whatever it is in jinja

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 5:24 AM

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I'm out of cherry angeryping

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:24 AM

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It would be near impossible to do it if it was all flat

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 5:24 AM

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@clear ferry I agree

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:24 AM

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ooh nice, that's a good thought @hushed basalt

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:25 AM

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I would make a dictionary that has the confirmed_cases

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 5:25 AM

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I was criticised on reddit for raising that

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Then put that straight into your summary dictionary

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 5:25 AM

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@rare condor probably #330944238910963714 users 🤢

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 5:26 AM

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I can't see why both aren't achievable tbh

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There is no technical reason anyway

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 5:26 AM

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maintaining both is kindof a pain in the butt from the codebase

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:27 AM

#

@hushed basalt just did this:

summary = {'attribution': 'Data provided by dph.illinois.gov', 'updated': month + '/' + day + '/' + year, 'confirmed_cases': {}}
...
for key in zip_values:
  if key['zip'] in monitored_zips.keys():
    summary['confirmed_cases'].update({key['zip']: key['confirmed_cases'] })
``` to generate the example i had above

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:27 AM

#


confirmed_cases = {}
for key in zip_values:
  if key['zip'] in monitored_zips.keys():
    confirmed_cases.update({key['zip']: key['confirmed_cases'] })

summary = {'attribution': 'Data provided by dph.illinois.gov', 'updated': month + '/' + day + '/' + year, confirmed_cases}

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I think that works

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:27 AM

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oh nice, didn't even think of that

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 5:27 AM

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@wet pilot sure, but they have disallowed any integrations using yaml at all

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:27 AM

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You'd have to double check the exact syntax but the concept should work

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 5:28 AM

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only yaml

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 5:29 AM

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According to the announcement modbus will still be allowed to be setup in yaml right, doing 1000 coils from GUI would be heinous

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Do these work in freedom land and Vegemite country btw @wet pilot @hushed basalt https://youtu.be/P6yRs9XN16w

YouTube

NRK Super

Fantorangen synger: Ro, ro til fiskeskjær

Fantorangen er glad i rim, regler og sanger

▶ Play video

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:30 AM

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😦

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 5:31 AM

#

it plays

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:31 AM

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i only understood "ooooooo"

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:31 AM

#

confirmed_cases = { k:v for (k,v) in zip_values if zip in monitored_zips.keys() }

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This might work also

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 5:31 AM

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That is the most popular Norwegian toddlers character lmao

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:31 AM

#

GWcorbinHolyFuck

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:31 AM

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It's a bit hard to read though

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:32 AM

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yeah i'd like to understand list and dict comprehensions better but that's for another day

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Training wheels

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Something to work towards

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:32 AM

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for sure

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Just wait for decorators, duck typing, classes, inheritance, exceptions, circular imports,

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:32 AM

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lol

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 5:32 AM

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@clear ferry just sent that to my wife

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decorators are neat

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 5:32 AM

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catparty

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:33 AM

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i've read into classes and functions, i get the gist of it

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and inheritance, sort of

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haven't been able to apply any of them with what i've done so far

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 5:34 AM

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mixin classes are fun too

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 5:35 AM

#

This is his younger brother @wet pilot https://tv.nrk.no/se?v=MSUS01000119&autoplay=false

NRK TV

NRK TV – Minibarna

episode (Sesong 1)

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Norwegian TV is watchable worldwide I think

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:37 AM

#

Now can you help me with my aws certs

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Aws 🤢

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:38 AM

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@hushed basalt lol was that to me?

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Yes haha

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:38 AM

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lmao

#

best i can offer you is this: 🥖

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 5:38 AM

#

bread1 bread2 bread2 bread2 bread3

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:39 AM

#

there it is

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:39 AM

#

If a client needs multi-AZ availability for their caching layer , should they use memcached or redis

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 5:39 AM

#

breaddab

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:39 AM

#

@hushed basalt yes

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i'll just assume that was an inclusive "or"

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 5:39 AM

#

Multi Arizona

#

TomStare

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:40 AM

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dat AZ

#

GWspenderThicc

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:40 AM

#

Is it best practice to set the cloudformation template to deletionpolicy = retain, or retainpolicy = true

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 5:40 AM

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redis is pretty powerful

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 5:40 AM

#

GlassesPush

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Even I know what redis is

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:40 AM

#

Which platforms are not supported on Elastic Beanstalk

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 5:40 AM

#

And I actually have it configured for my nextcloud

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:41 AM

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Thanks Teddy now I've failed

#

I'm going to have to move to Norway and live in a cardboard box

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:41 AM

#

😱

#

forgive me senpai

#

allow me to write you a shitty python program

#

from DoItForMe import Please

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 5:43 AM

#

forsenWaifu

#

HadtoDoit

scenic radish Apr 15, 2020, 5:43 AM

#

from ForTheLoveOfGod import PleaseWork

#

Alright time for me to sudo shutdown now

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 5:47 AM

#

sys.exit(0)

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 5:47 AM

#

win + x, u, u

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 5:53 AM

#

Ctrl+alt+sysrq

wet pilot Apr 15, 2020, 5:53 AM

#

you know its gotten bad when the recs from youtube are all months and years old

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 6:23 AM

#

@clear ferry are you using synergy1 or synergy2

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 6:46 AM

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I've used both, syn2 now

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 7:00 AM

#

I can't even login to syn2 :(

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:18 AM

#

newb

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:25 AM

#

I don't fully get the point of adding a roku to HA

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:32 AM

#

I can see the media playing with my roku in HA

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and do automations based on that, on what kind of media or if it is paused

#

think there was remote there aswell, not sure if that got removed

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:33 AM

#

my guy intel @clear ferry

#

my hdd in my desktop makes noise during the startup of my pc for the first 5 min

#

its like the 2nd drive as i got a ssd as main drive

#

is this normal? as i think i never mentioned it before

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:40 AM

#

@clear ferry so other than dimming the lights when someone starts a roku app is there anything else? can you see whats playing on the roku in HA?

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:43 AM

#

spinning drives make sound yes @midnight adder whatever is normal for your drive I do not know

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@forest edge I think I could see what was playing in plex and youtube atleast, don't remember right now

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 7:44 AM

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@clear ferry i think syn's backend is broken

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:44 AM

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but it sound a bit like a snoring drive or something

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 7:44 AM

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Probably because they're not using enough serverless

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:44 AM

#

cant really explain the sound

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:44 AM

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you are broken @hushed basalt keanYOU

#

@midnight adder akkoShrug I grew up with spinning drives, I enjoy their sound, and I can hear a broken HDD in a serverroom with 1500 drives with ease

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:45 AM

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should i record mine and send it to you 😛

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:47 AM

#

🤢

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:47 AM

#

👎

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:47 AM

#

just check the S.M.A.R.T values

#

are they good, everything is fine

#

🤣

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:47 AM

#

i checked the hdd status through my pc

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and they seem fine

#

can i rely on that then 😛

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:47 AM

#

"hdd status"

#

S.M.A.R.T is all that matters 🤣

#

and experience

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:48 AM

#

other apps will pull the smart data

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:48 AM

#

what is that smart then haha

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:48 AM

#

they just want to be thier own thing

#

your hdd status is most likely pulling the smart data

#

common with windows and other os's

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:50 AM

#

People still have HDDs in their desktops though ? 🤔

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:50 AM

#

of course

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:50 AM

#

I haven't had one in atleast 6-7 years

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:50 AM

#

my second drivve is an HDD

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:51 AM

#

this was my first build when i started studying

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:51 AM

#

way more dependable than an sd for alot of things

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:51 AM

#

i needed bulk storage and 2tb of ssd was out of my budget

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:51 AM

#

Dependable ?

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:51 AM

#

yea

#

you know SD's have a shelf life right?

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:51 AM

#

SSDs have shelf life ?

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:51 AM

#

of course can only read/write so many times then poof

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:52 AM

#

sure

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:52 AM

#

id love to put in another ssd but imma build a new setup next year so ill wait

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:52 AM

#

but normal people don't meet those limits

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:52 AM

#

normal people

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:52 AM

#

well your normal may not lol

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:52 AM

#

you call everybody out for rookie numbers lol

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:53 AM

#

heck, many enterprise customers don't even write out a SSD

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:53 AM

#

but my desktop is 4 years old

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:53 AM

#

you likely replace them before anyways

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:53 AM

#

then a hdd isnt that uncommon right

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:53 AM

#

I have a HDD that is ovver 20 years old

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:53 AM

#

A useless HDD 🤣

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:54 AM

#

most certianly not

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:54 AM

#

lol if only i could afford ssds everywhere

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:54 AM

#

storage prices are so low it is not point in keeping 20 year old HDDs around

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:54 AM

#

as i said, more dependable

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:54 AM

#

is it worth getting a nas with ssd's instead of hdds?

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:54 AM

#

why mess with something that isn't broken lol

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 7:55 AM

#

I'd rip through ssds if I was still data wrangling for film/tv

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:55 AM

#

Yeah, I don't know about you, I install probably close to 10.000 drives per year, there is nothing more "dependable" on a HDD than a SSD

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 7:55 AM

#

100TBW is bugger all in those scenarios

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:56 AM

#

for 99% of people

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 7:56 AM

#

I never said I was normal :p

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:56 AM

#

cause you replace 10k drives every year lol

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 7:56 AM

#

But cameras are getting in the 1TB/hour and rising range

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:56 AM

#

thats 30 a day

#

thats 1 each hour

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:56 AM

#

if your replacing crap just to replace it then naturally your not going to see any issues lol

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 7:57 AM

#

A good hdd array can still sustain a better throughput than a lot of consumer ssds

#

Once that SLC layer runs out those things can fall off a cliff

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:57 AM

#

@midnight adder when I roll out servers, they usually have 40+ drives each, and if I install 12 of those, well

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:58 AM

#

no just rewriting the numbers haha

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 7:58 AM

#

@clear ferry it's like replacing a good old fashion toggle light switch with a smart switch. You know damn well which one will stand the test of time lol

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 7:58 AM

#

or when I roll out 700 with 2 drives each, that amounts to some too 🤣

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 7:59 AM

#

will make a new build next year with m.2 drive and ssd's

#

in combination with an amd processor

#

😉

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 8:00 AM

#

that is just oldism @forest edge 😉

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 8:00 AM

#

is the command:

wmic diskdrive get status

good enough for the smart status of my disks?

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 8:00 AM

#

I've had enterprise customers run on SSDs for 10 years already with normal workloads without replacing a drive

#

WMI dance

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 8:01 AM

#

Telephone exchanges used to have electromechanical switches doing all the telephone routing

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 8:01 AM

#

SSD's also not only slow down over time but if you maintain high volume > capacity it actually kills them off quicker

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 8:01 AM

#

A small town could have a team of 5-10 engineers working in the exchange full time maintaining them

#

Now it's all software switching and they have zero engineers

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 8:01 AM

#

also nobody cares about SSD writeouts, enterprise customers have 5 year warranty with replacement, and consumers in norway have 5 years warranty too 🤣

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 8:02 AM

#

is the command:
wmic diskdrive get status
good enough for the smart status of my disks?
@midnight adder ????

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 8:02 AM

#

that's cause 5 years isn't shit lol

#

I got thumb drives that would last long lol

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 8:02 AM

#

says the guy from 1 year warranty freedom country

#

🤣

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 8:02 AM

#

Thumb drives 🤢

#

I thought freedom land only had like 90 days warranty

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 8:03 AM

#

1-3 years is the norm lol

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 8:03 AM

#

probably more like that @hushed basalt

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 8:03 AM

#

I remember talking to american suppliers about faulty stuff 6 months after purchase

#

And they're like "so why are you telling me"

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 8:03 AM

#

did they refer you to china?

hushed basalt Apr 15, 2020, 8:04 AM

#

Land of the free of consumer obligations

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 8:04 AM

#

🤣

#

which is why it makes no sense for me to order electronics from the US

#

even if it is cheaper

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 8:04 AM

#

actual usa made stuff is pretty damn dependable. but because greed runs our world you'll find american companies reselling chinese crap

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 8:04 AM

#

Finished my PLC install today: https://photos.app.goo.gl/PZkwSq644JL7uAag7

Google Photos

5 new photos by Harrison Pace

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 8:05 AM

#

Harrison Pace sounds like a made up adventurer name in a japanese anime

#

🤣

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 8:05 AM

#

why does your electrical panel look like a fire box? lol

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 8:05 AM

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Controls my Skylights

#

@clear ferry Glad its not my real name

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 8:06 AM

#

awkward

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 8:06 AM

#

see we can't do that stuff. our wires are too big and too stiff to be all neat like that lol

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 8:06 AM

#

@forest edge Its not a standard electrical panel, its designed for PLCs and ELV wiring

#

Highest voltage in there is 24v

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 8:07 AM

#

unlike that crap atx uses which is glorified yak's hair carrying a current

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 8:07 AM

#

angeryping

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 8:08 AM

#

My main house wiring is solid core 4AG

#

I had to rewire that illegally the other day

#

Man some epic arcing occured

#

I was in my full insulated outfit though so it was all good, my neighbour was scared 😂

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 8:11 AM

#

lol

#

and that's why we use 110v

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 8:15 AM

#

110v 🤢

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 8:15 AM

#

The first day I was onsite I got was wiring what I thought was 12v and the electrician came over and said "are you right mate?", and I said yeah. He's like you know you're wiring 415V 600amp live cables with no gloves and I was like "yeah, I know". I then promptly left and proceeded to wonder how I didn't die that day

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 8:23 AM

#

gotta love them windows updates...

tough igloo Apr 15, 2020, 8:28 AM

#

Nice shoes @rare condor too bad you can’t wear them out on the town for a while

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 8:29 AM

#

I know they are so sexy 😶

#

There was much dispute when I requested to replace shoe cupboard space with PLC cupboard space 😅

tough igloo Apr 15, 2020, 8:31 AM

#

I’m surprised you walked away with all of your limbs intact

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 8:37 AM

#

My own white shoes turned red after the suggestion

low harness Apr 15, 2020, 8:48 AM

#

Have you seen how they wire stuff overseas @clear ferry. I'd be glad to stay at 110 V or less with that isolation scheme...

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 8:53 AM

#

wtf

forest edge Apr 15, 2020, 8:53 AM

#

as opposed to the "ring" of death where you feed power to every outlet from multiple direction essentially wrapping your home with electrical wire? lol

#

I really think most people honestly believe they will emerge from their homes with covid being gone forever lol

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 9:03 AM

#

Or just do like Arkansas

#

Ignore it totally

low harness Apr 15, 2020, 9:19 AM

#

The ring of death is a purely British phenomenon, I believe.

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 9:24 AM

#

And other places that once were part of the Empire

#

But hey, it works, and our plugs are easy to find in the dark... almost as easy to find as Lego

clear ferry Apr 15, 2020, 9:34 AM

#

Wait what

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Ring of death

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 9:37 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_circuit

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We also play with 240V, which is scary apparently 😛

lavish eagle Apr 15, 2020, 9:44 AM

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240V gang

pure vine Apr 15, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Reading the comments on the yaml post https://media1.tenor.com/images/b7869d97f90e71869df31c2fc98a4a5c/tenor.gif?itemid=7515702

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 10:04 AM

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It's an interesting ride

pure vine Apr 15, 2020, 10:05 AM

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Its like people are reacting to the headline or have poor reading comprahention, and the ammount of people who think they need to edit the json

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 10:06 AM

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There's also some pretty insightful comments hidden in the depths, but they're not always easy to separate from the screaming

pure vine Apr 15, 2020, 10:07 AM

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I for one welcome the changes moving intergrations out of yaml as it will make the yaml cleaner, most of my configuration.yaml is intergrations

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 10:08 AM

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I'm a bit split, but I don't mind the change and can see the benefits overall, even if it makes cloning my config slightly trickier

low harness Apr 15, 2020, 10:48 AM

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I told Frenck to title it "Yaml isn't going away"...

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 10:48 AM

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Hi, just a quick (simple) question... where should I find the YAML-file? I just got started and wanted to add Viessmann’s ViCare - integration. 🙂

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 11:06 AM

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@low harness YAML isn't going away ... yet 😛

low harness Apr 15, 2020, 11:12 AM

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You like watching the world burn, don't you?

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 11:12 AM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/garfield-official-toast-cozy-9JnRJP2ynydF4slLoC

Giphy

Garfield

junior forge Apr 15, 2020, 11:16 AM

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🍿

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 11:18 AM

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As much as I'd love YAML to be around forever, this product is evolving. At some point it may make design sense for it to go away, just like it made design sense for it to go away for those integrations covered in the blog post.

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I'll raise a glass in its memory if that happens, but ... as BC said Life goes on

light trout Apr 15, 2020, 11:19 AM

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XML 🎉

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 11:19 AM

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I don't see what's wrong with binary 🤔

junior forge Apr 15, 2020, 11:22 AM

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@low harness You are right... he does like to see the world burn 😂

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 11:25 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMLSwzimWeU

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(or any one of a few dozen others 😛 )

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 11:37 AM

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I'm doing a lot of change & adoption-mgmt at work. Normal behaviour if you switch away from the accustomed order. People are afraid to lost their gained knowledge and have to work new things out. 🤷

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 11:38 AM

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Significant change is never popular

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Human nature 😄

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 11:40 AM

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🙂 And in 6 months noone will speak about

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:01 PM

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mx master came in

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nicee

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:02 PM

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I'm still waiting for the IoT to be removed from Home Assistant, I would have far more time on my hands if it was blank web interface.

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@midnight adder Your monitor misalignment makes me very angry

strange vapor Apr 15, 2020, 12:04 PM

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The main reason I like the yaml stuff is I can put this stuff in change control. The problem with point and drool interfaces is that while they're pretty, doing version control is a pain!

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:04 PM

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@rare condor i cant get it aligned

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sizes arent equal

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:04 PM

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I meant your angles

strange vapor Apr 15, 2020, 12:04 PM

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Now, if the API evolves so I can just configure using Ansible or some other tool, and keep that config in version control, I'd be happy.

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:05 PM

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📎 20200415_140512.jpg

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:05 PM

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Well, in theory the UI uses the API, so... it should be possible

hearty depot Apr 15, 2020, 12:05 PM

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ansible, using AWX? @strange vapor

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:05 PM

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any tips to make it better @rare condor

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:06 PM

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make it straight

strange vapor Apr 15, 2020, 12:06 PM

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@hearty depot Nope, just bare ansible.

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:06 PM

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my desktop is behind my ultrawide

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:06 PM

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between dell and lg

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@midnight adder What car do you own?

hearty depot Apr 15, 2020, 12:06 PM

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Just trying to get the fist steps in there - makes sense tu use - but atm it is a black box

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:07 PM

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a4 face lift

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:07 PM

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Oh I was expected RS4 or something fun

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:08 PM

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i would love to

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but too expensive as a young engineer

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😛

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:08 PM

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Fair

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:08 PM

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just 23 tho

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looking for a s3

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:08 PM

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yeah I'm 22 , 23 in a week

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Just bought an Opel Astra OPC (bad timing with Carona but oh well)

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:09 PM

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The Astra used to be a pretty decent car, haven't driven one in a while though

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More fun to drive than the larger models in the range

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:10 PM

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The OPC produces 400NM its a hot hatch with a turbo, recaro seats, 20" wheel, etc.

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:10 PM

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📎 unknown.png

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:10 PM

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I know which of the two I'd rather drive... and it's not the Opel 😉

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:11 PM

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decent enough right 😄

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245 hp

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420nm

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:12 PM

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Yeah I can't afford that

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😛

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:13 PM

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haha im saving for a nicer car

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but they are terribly expensive in the netherlands

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idk where you are from

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:13 PM

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Australia

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:13 PM

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but the cost of a car in the netherlands is 1.5-2 times it would cost in germany

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then yes i can try and import one

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:13 PM

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I honestly don't understand how you can afford that car at 23

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:13 PM

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but you pay the price difference when switching plate

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lovely parents

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mildpanic

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:14 PM

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ah rich parents 😛

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:14 PM

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yes and dad works at the audi retailer

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so you can guess

last dirge Apr 15, 2020, 12:17 PM

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looking at euro hp numbers is funny sometimes

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:17 PM

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I think I did alright. Paying rent, full time uni, 2 jobs and saved for a car I wanted. Obviously not amazing but its what I could afford

last dirge Apr 15, 2020, 12:18 PM

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is that an A3?

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:18 PM

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A4

last dirge Apr 15, 2020, 12:18 PM

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can't see enough of the side profile to tell

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and all of the Audis look the same

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avant?

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:19 PM

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It has a badge on it that says A4

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:19 PM

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yes a4 avant

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:19 PM

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My first car was ... way less fun than an Astra

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It had a zero to 60 of some time today

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:19 PM

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My first car was a Suzuki Swift

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:19 PM

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@clever mortar

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clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:19 PM

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On the other hand, it ran reliably, for years and years

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:20 PM

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I had to turn AirCon off when going on freeways

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:20 PM

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AC.... yeah, first car had windows 😛

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:20 PM

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ok you win

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😛

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:20 PM

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And a sunroof... I miss that slightly

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:20 PM

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i like driving my moms mini cabrio

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so much fun with point of gravity that low

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:20 PM

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Astra was hella fun to drive, first car I drove that had a turbo

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:21 PM

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Likewise I don't know manual so its taking me time

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:21 PM

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Not a modern gentle one, but one that'd kick in hard - made roundabouts fun sometimes

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:21 PM

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I feel its too heavy compared to my 700kg Swift though

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not as fun to throw around but very very fast

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:21 PM

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You just have to learn the engine and gearing

last dirge Apr 15, 2020, 12:21 PM

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it's about a thousand times safer

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used to only drive manual shifted cars

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:22 PM

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I drive an A4, which is big and heavy, but if you work it right just as much fun to throw around

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:22 PM

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not really its way faster and I'm young

last dirge Apr 15, 2020, 12:22 PM

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now I'm part of the no transmission gang

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Tesla

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Yeah, I'd like to go electric, but the current car has years of life in it yet

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:22 PM

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what engine do you havbe in it @clever mortar

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:22 PM

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2 litre diesel

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:22 PM

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ah okay

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Turbo, thankfully 😄

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:23 PM

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i bought a gasoline to make sure its kinda future proof

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i really hate teslas

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:23 PM

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It was second hand, and bought... 10 years ago when I was doing a lot of miles

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:23 PM

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a fair enough

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:23 PM

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"i bought a gasoline to make sure its kinda future proof" your logic is a bit off there

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:23 PM

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reliable it is especially the old diesels

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no they are making sure no diesels can enter cities anymore here

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:23 PM

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Aye, and being able to do hundreds of miles without a refil is handy

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:24 PM

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so that is what i meant with it

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:24 PM

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Pffft, driving in big cities is for crazy folks

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:24 PM

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Oh I thought you were comparing electric

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:24 PM

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nah

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electric is also not future proog

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just a temporary solution

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😛

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:24 PM

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disagree

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:24 PM

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on what point

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cause to be more specific

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batteries will be phased out

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:25 PM

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Electric Motor is future

midnight adder Apr 15, 2020, 12:25 PM

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agree

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with hydrogen transformer

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:25 PM

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Nah

rare condor Apr 15, 2020, 12:25 PM

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^

clever mortar Apr 15, 2020, 12:25 PM

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Mr Fusion is the future