#the-water-cooler

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cedar glacier
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some-the-fucking-how my transfer speed to my Network drive is 100MB/s write ๐Ÿ˜„

rain swift
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maybe the sony ones.

clear ferry
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I just use my Bose QC35II for most days @rain swift or my Sony XB wireless ones, pods I don't use much, I have molded pods on some Sony XB wired ones, but mostly use them for monitors when playing music, or my Sony-XB700 over ear for that as well

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@cedar glacier if you get 100MB\s you are hitting Gigabit network, so that would be normal

cedar glacier
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im just glad it works properly hahhaha

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i found this WDMYCLOUD laying in the closet

clear ferry
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If you want more than 100MB\s you would need to up to 10Gbit or more

cedar glacier
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im so gonna fill this thing up within a week or so

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yeah, the limiting factor now is my internet connection for torrents

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220Mb/s download over BVVDSL

clear ferry
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The number was so low I had to think for a second, I've worked with 10Gbit for 10 years, and 25/40 for the last 5 years, and 100Gbit the last year, so everything just seems layman to me

cedar glacier
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haha, nice.

clear ferry
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Just like when people say they have 128GB RAM and I go, so ? is it a 15 year old server ?

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๐Ÿคฃ

cedar glacier
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oh youd l;ove to see the specs of my home server'

clear ferry
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Come at me bro

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๐ŸฅŠ

cedar glacier
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imma blow you away

low harness
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Raspi 2?

clear ferry
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๐Ÿคฃ

cedar glacier
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sam@skynet_bams:~$ lscpu
Architecture:        x86_64
CPU op-mode(s):      32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order:          Little Endian
CPU(s):              2
On-line CPU(s) list: 0,1
Thread(s) per core:  1
Core(s) per socket:  2
Socket(s):           1
NUMA node(s):        1
Vendor ID:           AuthenticAMD
CPU family:          16
Model:               6
Model name:          AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 220 Processor
clear ferry
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amd ๐Ÿคข

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lol 2core

cedar glacier
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๐Ÿ˜›

clear ferry
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what is this ? 2007 ?

cedar glacier
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ikr

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i got this thing from a craigslist guy hahahhaa

clear ferry
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still better than a pi

cedar glacier
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needed something faster than RPI2 without spending more than like 25 bucks

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//192.168.178.22/plex  1.8T  230G  1.6T  13% /mnt/plex
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i setup this share last night and im already 13% in

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rofl

clear ferry
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NAME           SIZE  ALLOC   FREE  CKPOINT  EXPANDSZ   FRAG    CAP  DEDUP  HEALTH  ALTROOT
SSD            236G  67.5G   169G        -         -    31%    28%  1.00x  ONLINE  /mnt
Storage       36.3T  19.0T  17.4T        -         -    11%    52%  1.00x  ONLINE  /mnt
Storage4TB    14.5T   616G  13.9T        -         -     0%     4%  1.00x  ONLINE  /mnt
cedar glacier
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nice

orchid rose
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weren't the Athlon X2 extremely power hungry?

cedar glacier
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the best part? i cant control the damn famns

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don't know, not really something i worry about

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we're getting solar etc

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this is just an interim server to get stuff running properly

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and then upgrade when needed haha

clear ferry
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compared to the rest of my house a measly athlon x2 wouldn't be noticable anyway ๐Ÿคฃ

cedar glacier
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hahahaha

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i had a litecoin rig a while ago

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thing pulled 2KW

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4x R9 290

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2 1200W psu's

clear ferry
cedar glacier
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was a damn beast

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only have one bloody picture of it

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jesus christ

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grabbed these off of my instagram

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317 weeks ago

clear ferry
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nice picture from 2005 bro

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love that 0.3mp camera

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๐Ÿคฃ

cedar glacier
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6 years ago so 2014 hahaha

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its a screencap from my IG hahaha

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the pic itself is shitty as fuck anyway

clear ferry
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looked just like the camera pictures from my Sony Ericsson P800

cedar glacier
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here's my old minecraft server

orchid rose
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Haha, I used to have something like that for my TV card ๐Ÿ˜„

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let's see if there's a pic somewhere

cedar glacier
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MY GOD I FORGOT ABOUT THIS BEHEMOTH

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OH MY

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I FORGOT THIS

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HAHAHAHAHAHA

clear ferry
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hmmm, I probably have some pictures of the servers I had back in 2003 somewhere

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you'll love those

cedar glacier
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@clear ferry that video

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my god

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i set them up with some blender render pool

orchid rose
cedar glacier
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i earned like millions of points on there cus i left them running and forgot hahahahaha

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thought that was a Model M for a sc

orchid rose
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totally worth running just a TV card on that system...

cedar glacier
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im doing such exciting stuff rn.. MTA 98-366 certification

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kill me pls

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@orchid rose is that a full pc running for JUST tv?

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lol

orchid rose
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yes it is

cedar glacier
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hahaha, hey if it works

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im using a IBM model M and i just cant use anything else anymore

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i keep coming back to this beast

orchid rose
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new motherboard didn't have PCI that worked properly so I had to improvise

cedar glacier
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oh dude

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my main workstation is going to hurt

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such a fucking mess

orchid rose
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that cable management, lol

clear ferry
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๐Ÿคข

cedar glacier
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it used to be neat

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but then LAN's happened

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and now im working fulltime and studying for CCNA/MDA/MTA and dont have time lmfao

orchid rose
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I'd love to see what a robot vacuum would do to that

cedar glacier
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oh DUDE

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i have a dyson vaccuum

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it completely raped a HDMI cable

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like a properly thick one

orchid rose
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haha, they seem to love cables

cedar glacier
orchid rose
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now do the same in yaml!

clear ferry
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Aww yeah

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my old 2003 server rig

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those drive carriers

orchid rose
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way too professional

clear ferry
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I'm always professional

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I hosted my finnish WoW guild on that stuff back when we were 500 people

cedar glacier
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christ almighty

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i mean i have a ML350 here

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40KG, 2 xeons

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nice nightstand

clear ferry
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Think I didn't retire that old box until.... 2008

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it was dual pentium pro

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with 512MB RAM

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and 6 9.1GB drives

orchid rose
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wait what, didn't we have bigger drives back then already?

clear ferry
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then there were 2x P4s on the side and top, one router and one jumpstation

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and a NAS on the other side in a maxitower

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sure we did @orchid rose but that box was... from 98

orchid rose
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fair enough. I just remember 80-120GB drives from forever ago

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must be like early 00's

cedar glacier
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i have a machine here that uses more power than most of my house and is slower than my phone

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lol

clear ferry
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Yeah, my filserver on the other side had 80, 120, 250, 400GB drives over time

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everything ran Debian, except the router which started as smoothwall, then moved to pfsense

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actually the servers might have started with slackware

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come to think of it

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I don't think I migrated to debian until 2005

orchid rose
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Everything about PCs was so shit back then... IDE drives, lol

clear ferry
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sounds about right, I think I started on Sarge

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pff, we had SATA from 2003ish didn't we

orchid rose
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good question

clear ferry
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SATA revision 1.0 (1.5 Gbit/s, 150 MB/s, Serial ATA-150) Revision 1.0a[2] was released on January 7, 2003.

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aye

orchid rose
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those lovely beige cases as well

cedar glacier
orchid rose
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with basically no air flow

clear ferry
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forbidden topic

rain swift
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NEERRDDDSSSS

clear ferry
orchid rose
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it's okay to be a nerd nowdays

clear ferry
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Don't mix me in with those RGB people though

orchid rose
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those are gamers

clear ferry
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๐Ÿคข

orchid rose
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and they'll call you a boomer

cedar glacier
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my entire house is rgb come @ me

clear ferry
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I'll accept boomer, I work on servers that are older than most RGB people ๐Ÿคฃ

orchid rose
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all that RGB and then retro keyboard from the 80s

rain swift
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RGB people?

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I'm too uncool to know what this is.

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or maybe I'm too cool to know, lol.

orchid rose
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people with pimped out PCs with see-through windows

rain swift
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lame

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that mighta been cool when i was a teenager lol

strange vapor
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@rain swift But now you're old, bitter and no fun anymore? Teenage you would be disgusted!! ๐Ÿ™‚

clear ferry
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I'm still the same grumpy guy I was as a teenager ๐Ÿคฃ

rain swift
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Well, I don't have a desktop that I drag to LAN parties anymore, and I don't even have a big multi monitor setup at home. When you work on computers all day, the last thing you want to do is come home and sit in front of a bunch of monitors like you did all day.

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so I fart around on the couch with my laptop.

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its like being a mechanic, you don't wanna come home and work on a car in the garage all night.

clear ferry
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Pff, I used to drag around my 3x40kg(80lbs) 23" CRTs to LAN parties, good thing I had a station wagon ๐Ÿคฃ

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not that I played anything anyway, I hosted LAN parties and managed them from day #1

rain swift
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I got all that 24/7 living breathing computer stuff out of my system, now I have other non computer hobbies lol

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I do things like HA at home but yeah.

clear ferry
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only 24\7 ? I do computer stuff 35\9

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๐Ÿคฃ

strange vapor
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@clear ferry I'll always remember a LAN party I was at years ago in a Thatched Cottage out in the country. 18 stupidly overpowered machines with 17" or 21" CRT, all powered off two old round pin sockets.

scenic radish
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\? what is this, Wandows?

strange vapor
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The wiring started getting so hot that the plaster started falling off where all the wires were routed.

clear ferry
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๐Ÿคฃ

nocturne berry
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funny

scenic radish
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FORBIDDEN TOPIC

clear ferry
scenic radish
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bake 'em away, toys

clear ferry
rain swift
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SEND IT

midnight adder
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Ok peeps.. need some advice to be sneeky and monitor bedside lights without using a standard sonoff basic inline. We have teenage kids who like to think they are smart by closing their bedroom door, putting clothes against the bottom and having their bedside lights on at all hours of the early morning. I'd like to be able to monitor usage without having to splice into the cable, and as on/off control isn't important, just the monitoring is, I want to be able to hide it in the base.. ideas?

clear ferry
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wait, it's a problem that kids have lights on in the morning ? ๐Ÿคฃ

midnight adder
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at 1am when they should be asleep... yeah XD

clear ferry
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pff, sleep, overrated, I used to go to bed at 2-3am from I was 13 till I was like.... 34 ๐Ÿคฃ

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how about an ambient light sensor ?

midnight adder
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using something like a WeMos D1 hidden in the base?

clear ferry
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sure

midnight adder
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hmmm.. would it work using Tasmota flashed? just thinking if there's the option in the firmware to have an ALS on one of the pins?

forest edge
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what the RGB is going on in here.. color splash ๐Ÿคข

nocturne berry
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do you use z-wave? the aeotec multisensor has a light sensor built in

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you could measure the light level in the room and use that in your automations

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it also measures UV so you might be able to ignore light values if UV values are high (implying the sun is shining)

midnight adder
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Not played with z-wave yet.. I'm more of a WeMos/arduino kinda guy..

nocturne berry
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a photoresistor hooked up to arduino/esp would also be trivial

midnight hill
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hey guys, anyone having tado thermostat here?

clear ferry
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omfg I just figured out nginx http to https stuff

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so got my esphomeyaml working

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nginx makes more sense as time goes by

brisk glen
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Lol

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@clear ferry Just wait until you realize the nginx TCP TLS termination

clear ferry
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that I already do afaik

brisk glen
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And you just figured out the http to https? Lol

forest edge
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for me, nothing worse than baby poop or an animal with explosivve diarrhea. still cleaning :\

clear ferry
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You have an explosive baby animal with diarrhea you say ?

forest edge
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cat with explosive diarrhea

last dirge
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haha

forest edge
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it's really gross

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especially when they bolt and leave streaks everywhere

steel urchin
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when we first got our boy doggo, he was ending his recovery from intestinal worms and i just left for business for a 3 week long trip... he passed his worms a week out from return a few times all over the kitchen... my awesome wife decided to take a bunch of pics every time it happened to send to me - and now i can't have spaghetti ever again

forest edge
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lol

last dirge
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mmmm, angel hair pasta

clear ferry
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๐Ÿคฃ

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I used to be squimish with smells

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then I got a baby

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problem solved

forest edge
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never gone away for me

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it's just gross

clear ferry
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that said, my daughter has never pooped in her sleep, and she has only three times pooped so much I had to carry her into the shower to get it sorted ๐Ÿคฃ

forest edge
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surprising with the amount of cheese you keep going on about lol

wet pilot
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lucky

clear ferry
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She loves cheese

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If she sees cheese

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SHE'S GONNA HAVE IT

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OH LAWD

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SHE WANT DEM CHEESE

clever mortar
wet pilot
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lol

clear ferry
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Wallace Love

wet pilot
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mine doesn't really have an erhmaghrd food

clever mortar
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Nick Park does good work

wet pilot
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but she'll eat almost anything

clear ferry
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Yeah, there is nothing she won't eat

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but cheese, raisins, cultured milk

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oh lawd, have mercy she won't give up

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she have never once since birth forgotten about something

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they say, out of sight out of mind

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oh no, she'll hunt it

clever mortar
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Oh, you're in for some fun then

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My son is like that. It'll be months later and we'll get asked where's such and such or why did so and so do ...

steel urchin
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holy shit someone take a screenshot... atx put a HEART on the screen!

clear ferry
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I am expecting that tinky ๐Ÿคฃ

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It's Tinky, it's Tinky and the brain brain brain brain

clever mortar
steel urchin
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holy hell, going through old paperwork, and found 7x 3.5in ring binders for an old lawsuit

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this is definitely a couple trees right here ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

clear ferry
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Lol lawsuits

hearty depot
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Smarthome win of the day!
Sitting on the coutch and the lights started flashing wtf.jpg what happens
an alexa alert + sms saying to me that the kitchen is standing underwater.
Actually my dishwasher started leaking.
but after I was at home and the alarm came so quickly only around 2 glasses of water gottn spilled

clever mortar
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Nice!

tidal bronze
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๐Ÿ‘

steel urchin
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damn, nice! i need to get some leak sensors

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although i'm under warranty for another 5 years, so let it all blow up lol

scenic radish
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n ๐ŸงŠ !

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i have four water leak sensors

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one under the dishwasher, one in the laundry room by the water heater and washer, one in both bathrooms

steel urchin
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it's smart to have

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our last house we had them in all kinds of places, but left them with the house as a selling point

last dirge
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ever get into a YouTube rabbit hole and suddenly you're watching videos of a dude steam cleaning someone's carpet?

steel urchin
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lol always

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i got sucked into a guy's videos that does car detailing on super disgusting cars

scenic radish
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i have the smartthings ones. $18-20 and they have contacts on both the top and bottom. works great with ZHAแถ แต’สณแต‡แถฆแตˆแตˆแต‰โฟ... but more info in #zigbee-archived if wanted

last dirge
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@steel urchin british dude?

tidal bronze
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Been doing that since 2AM ๐Ÿคฃ

steel urchin
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nah, lemme see if i can find him

nocturne berry
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saw a video of a guy detailing a 94 McLaren F1 car, real jizz machine

steel urchin
nocturne berry
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if someone treats the interior of a car like that, just imagine what must be going on under the hood -- not worth the effort imo

tidal bronze
steel urchin
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i know a chick that has a gross car (not AS bad as that one, but still beyond my comfort level), but she does oil changes like clockwork - at the mini dealership ๐Ÿคฃ they charge her something like $280 for a basic oil change

forest edge
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one under the dishwasher, one in the laundry room by the water heater and washer, one in both bathrooms
isn't all these the same room? lol jk

steel urchin
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hehe thanks for that @tidal bronze ... been getting a ton of spam calls from buying/selling homes, all kinds of wild things as of late - i've just recently started fuckin with em ๐Ÿ˜› Might work on my game and make some of these vids

tidal bronze
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This guy is so patient. Some calls are 90 plus minutes

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Hilarious

steel urchin
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when i called amcrest they wanted to RD into my system.. i said "hellll no", but now i'm going to boot up a VM specifically for this crap

scenic radish
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@forest edge oh i get it. this is a condo joke

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๐Ÿ˜ก

steel urchin
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do you get mints on your pillows?

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condo-mints?

last dirge
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when your house is attached to someone else's house

scenic radish
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heh

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condo-mints

steel urchin
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dude a condo like 2 doors down is 2 million

tidal bronze
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I got a call for $100 voucher, said I could use it at HD I put home Depot on conf. It was epic.

steel urchin
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douglas fir!!!! ๐Ÿคฃ love it

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"you talking to me?" i'm going to love that

tidal bronze
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That's just one.

steel urchin
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the scammer straight up answers the recording for the guy

tidal bronze
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"copy that"

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๐Ÿคฃ

steel urchin
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i'm building up my arsenal and shredding documents ๐Ÿคฃ

last dirge
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there's a girl that's a voice actor that does stuff like that too

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she's got a PERFECT IVR imitation

scenic radish
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6011526812835328

steel urchin
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lol taking dono's on stream during the call and the scammer doesn't even pay attention

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i wish i could use: 0118 999 881 999 119 725.... 3

scenic radish
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5555-55585-5555-SENOR-MORTGAGE-TODAY

tidal bronze
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@last dirge IRLROSE or something. Cool stuff, Alexa voice

last dirge
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yeah

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she asked a guy one time to press "schfifty-five"

scenic radish
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lol

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i can count...alllllll the way... to schfifty five

tidal bronze
last dirge
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she's great

steel urchin
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oh yeah i saw that one

tidal bronze
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yep

wary storm
last dirge
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FORBIDDEN TOPIC

scenic radish
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this is the worst place on this server to share anything related to home assistant lol

rain swift
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hahahahahaha

scenic radish
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@wary storm sharing this on the forum would be better. it'll get buried here

wary storm
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oh sorry lol

last dirge
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or the subreddit

scenic radish
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and in this channel in particular home assistant is off topic

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as we like to say... FORBIDDEN TOPIC

wary storm
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ok .. forget about it... How it's the weather out there ? (try to make a diversion)

forest edge
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FORBIDDEN_TEDIORE

scenic radish
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normal transition here

forest edge
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noooooooo the door sensor i was gonna order is now "under restocking" son-of-a..

scenic radish
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sonoffabitch

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you in the US sonoma?

low harness
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Well... apparently the server I bought last week came with a dying drive...

last dirge
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excellent

forest edge
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@scenic radish have you forgotten already? i'm 6-8 hours from you lol

scenic radish
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o rite

clear ferry
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@last dirge wtf weather getting nice in georgia just before I leave

last dirge
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it's supposed to rain again tomorrow

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don't get too excited

tidal bronze
clever mortar
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Hmmm, we've got about half of that temperature right now

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No rain though, too cold ๐Ÿ˜„

clear ferry
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Read it and weep boys

low harness
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74 degrees Fahrenheit degrees Celsius?

clever mortar
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Well, it's about 37F equivalent here right now

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So, "chilly"

tidal bronze
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Gotta talk to Google about that @low harness ๐Ÿ™‚

clever mortar
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I like the look of those temperatures @clear ferry - can you send some over this way please ๐Ÿ˜›

low harness
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That only makes sense for -40 degrees whatever

clear ferry
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yeah, my home hub was showing me temps in F for months.. then suddenly one morning it was C

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@clever mortar you can book a airbnb at my parents ๐Ÿคฃ

clever mortar
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The wife may have something to say about my abandoning her ๐Ÿ˜›

low harness
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Or is this that stupid british thing, where temperatures are in celsius until they pass a certain threshold and become fahrenheit because it sounds more hardcore?

clear ferry
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bring em along

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they have plenty of room

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and beds

clever mortar
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Well, I'm of the generation where the switch from Imperial to Metric "kinda" happened

clear ferry
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and @low harness is almost on the generation where driving on the right to the left happened ๐Ÿคฃ

clever mortar
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For some things I naturally think in metric, for some imperial, and in most cases I can translate

clear ferry
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damn swedes

clever mortar
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We're never going to do that here, because it would be too much like hard work ๐Ÿ˜›

scenic radish
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i wish the US used the metric system

clear ferry
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WE ALL DO

low harness
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We all do.

clear ferry
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damn muuuurica

clever mortar
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I'd rather they switched to a sane date format...

clear ferry
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that too

wet pilot
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Most companies already do for things that matter

clear ferry
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its fricking insane with the date stuff, especially with firmware/drivers

wet pilot
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all science is in metric

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yeah, the US date format is dumb

clear ferry
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because sometimes it denoted in US sometimes in others

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IS THIS FIRMWARE FROM MAY OR SEPTEMBER

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who knows

wet pilot
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year-month-day should be the standard

clear ferry
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19/05/10 or 19/10/05

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I prefer DD/MM/YY

clever mortar
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YYYY-mm-dd

wet pilot
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timestamps ๐Ÿ˜„

clear ferry
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Frick it

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Let's just do EPOCH time

wet pilot
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though i usually change to "25-Jan-20" for any system i can

scenic radish
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i prefer YO/UR/MOM

clever mortar
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Big endian FTW

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But that's enough about your mom ๐Ÿ˜‰

low harness
scenic radish
clear ferry
scenic radish
forest edge
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I rather prefer imperial for most things

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especially for construction situations

scenic radish
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i think F makes sense for measuring how comfortable a temperature is

last dirge
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I'm supposed to deploy code Saturday

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and the tester is just now asking the business owner for clarification on something

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GAH

clever mortar
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Eh, that's days in advance

last dirge
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and his answer was "what did the old code do"

clever mortar
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They could have been asking on Friday afternoon

last dirge
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and I have to explain that it didn't do a damn thing because it was bad code

wet pilot
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"generate heat"

last dirge
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and I told the tester how the new code was supposed to work

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@wet pilot yeah, turn ones and zeroes into heat

clear ferry
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Sonoffabitch

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@scenic radish y'all are my favourite sun on a beach

last dirge
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@steel urchin did you ditch that TSLA at 570 or nah?

tidal bronze
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Anyone using Klipsch outdoor speakers?

last dirge
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subtlebrag

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going for Atmos outside too?

tidal bronze
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lol no. Thinking of changing existing ones so trying to get some feedback

steel urchin
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569, for some of it.

forest edge
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@tidal bronze what do you do with the ones you replace?

tidal bronze
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Moving some to work

forest edge
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I have a box in my basement that has like 20 bose car speakers in it that at the time I thought for sure i would do something with but that was 20 years ago

tidal bronze
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Currently run mix of Polk and Russound want to make them all one brand/model

scenic radish
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@forest edge I'll take em, thx

forest edge
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they will end up in a garage sale if i can ever remember they are down there when I hold one lol

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I always forget about them

tidal bronze
#

@scenic radish want a pair of Atriums?

scenic radish
#

Oh I was jk, but thank you

forest edge
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he wouldn't know where to put them.. all 4 wall space is taken ๐Ÿ˜œ

scenic radish
#

HEY

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tbh it's actually a decent size. ~1100 sq ft

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pretty big balcony too. 14' x 8' or so

forest edge
#

that is pretty good size

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need a hottub for something that big

scenic radish
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lmao

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it's cool too because half of the balcony is recessed by the building structure, so i can have the living room windows open when it's raining

clear ferry
#

That's just twice the size of my garage mildpanic

scenic radish
#

and it has a regular slab door to the balcony instead of a sliding door

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sliding doors == ๐Ÿคข

forest edge
#

your garage is only 4ft wide?

scenic radish
#

and terrible for efficiency

forest edge
#

wtf do you park in there? clown car?

scenic radish
#

i think he meant my condo's square footage lol

clear ferry
#

No it's 550sqft ๐Ÿ˜‚

forest edge
#

oh lmao

clear ferry
scenic radish
#

he's saying my condo is small

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he's making fun of me like everyone else

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๐Ÿ˜ข

forest edge
#

he doesn't get to go up in the sears tower so he's missing out

scenic radish
#

i'd just like to personally thank you for calling it the sears tower

forest edge
#

i don't even remember what it's name is now lol

scenic radish
#

willis tower ๐Ÿคข

forest edge
#

i think you told me in pm but i had already forgotton it haha

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yea lmao

clear ferry
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Lol sears

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What is this 1989?

scenic radish
#

you used a \ earlier

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go away

clear ferry
forest edge
#

renaming buildings is stupid

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should i say renaming iconic buildings

scenic radish
#

yup

clear ferry
#

Then everything would be called trump something after he bought it and bankrupted it and had to sell it Triggered

forest edge
#

oh no! coronvirus spotted in a city 40 mins from me runs to get mask

low harness
#

Nice knowing you.

scenic radish
last dirge
#

does @scenic radish live in a matchbox like Stuart Little?

scenic radish
#

๐Ÿ˜ญ

#

hey, all i can say is $30/month for heat in the winter and no more than $80/month for cooling in the summer is pretty nice

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in the summer i keep it at 74 during the day and 70/71 overnight

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80 when away

tidal bronze
#

That's unfair.

scenic radish
#

and my mortgage is $330/month lol

low harness
#

Paying for cooling a house just sounds so wrong.

scenic radish
#

๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ unless you live in a climate that doesn't get super hot or you have a passivhaus not sure what the options are

clever mortar
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Move ๐Ÿ˜›

scenic radish
#

30-year $68,000 mortgage @tidal bronze

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that's how it's so low

tidal bronze
#

oh

last dirge
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@low harness where do you live?

scenic radish
#

๐Ÿ•บ ok tinkerer now what?

tidal bronze
#

You don't want to know water /electricity bills here lol

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Gas is cheap, pretty cheap

scenic radish
#

not sure what my water bill is, it's just rolled into my dues

last dirge
#

@tidal bronze I only pay $10.5/Kwh

low harness
#

@last dirge Sweden

last dirge
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you've not got days where it's regularly 40 or above I'd assume

clever mortar
#

Water bill ๐Ÿค”

tidal bronze
#

Yep water damn expensive.

low harness
#

Not really, no. Started happening a few days per summer last few years.

clever mortar
#

Don't miss having to pay for water...

last dirge
#

walls not connected to someone else ๐Ÿค”

scenic radish
#

well you pay for it one way or another tinkerer

tidal bronze
#

Brian you mean 0.10?

last dirge
#

@low harness where I live there are weeks on end where it's hovering around 40C

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@tidal bronze yes, of course

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hahaha

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"I pay 100x the national average"

scenic radish
#

but it's premium electricity

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organic, non-GMO

last dirge
#

it contains only the fanciest pixies

tidal bronze
#

Starts at 0.17 to 0.23 plus access charge per tier

scenic radish
#

the tastiest magic smoke

last dirge
#

hickory flavored

clear ferry
#

wait brian

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you said you pay TEN DOLLAH per kwh ?

last dirge
#

no

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ten and a half cents

clear ferry
#

oof good

last dirge
#

divide by 100

clear ferry
#

I was starting to wonder

last dirge
#

my original statement didn't make cents

scenic radish
#

heh

last dirge
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#dadjoke

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#notadadthough

scenic radish
#

reminds me of the guy talking to the verizon rep when he was charged $0.02/kb instead of $0.0002/kb

clear ferry
#

we pay 11c per kwh

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which is twice as much as we used to

tidal bronze
#

Still cheaper

last dirge
#

@scenic radish and the Verizon idiot couldn't understand they were three orders of magnitude wrong

scenic radish
#

yup

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so frustrating to listen to

tidal bronze
last dirge
#

did TMO get their shit fixed yet?

clear ferry
#

yeah we pay c11 for both power and access

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not sure if that in included in the total usually

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so 5.5c for each

tidal bronze
#

There's other taxes on top of those rates lol

clear ferry
#

we have no other taxes on top

#

that's it

scenic radish
#

taxes and fees included

clear ferry
#

yaaaas

last dirge
#

@scenic radish they had a massive outage today

tidal bronze
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I wish

scenic radish
#

one-screen netflix membership included

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@last dirge t-mobile did?

last dirge
#

yeah

scenic radish
#

i have t-mobile...

tidal bronze
#

Not here

last dirge
#

the TMO half of my dual sim wasn't working this morning

scenic radish
#

weird, i didn't have issues either

last dirge
#

well, the data part

#

I read complaints all up and down the east coast

scenic radish
#

ah

last dirge
tidal bronze
#

Been having issues with ATT at work.

last dirge
#

I need to call them to come re-bury this fiber that's worked its way out of the ground

scenic radish
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oh this morning around 0700 central

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i don't get up until 7 so maybe that's why

tidal bronze
#

Site-to-site link down to home ๐Ÿ˜ฆ Can' get anything done.

fallow galleon
#

fiber came out? how

last dirge
#

rain

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and shitty burying practices

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it's just some guy with a "special" shovel that jams it into the ground

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and seeing how I've cut the damn thing twice, I don't want to mess with it ๐Ÿ™‚

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once was the night before I had a deployment early the next day

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spent the whole next day at Starbucks leeching their intertubes

fallow galleon
#

what kind of fiber do they use btw? just curious

last dirge
#

the glass kind

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๐Ÿ˜‰

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I don't know how to answer your question

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it's in black insulation

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and there's a fiberglass cable in it

fallow galleon
#

ok

scenic radish
#

hope you're using a VPN at starbucks

last dirge
#

and also a metal wire so the utility tracers can beep it

fallow galleon
#

because fios use copper to house

last dirge
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I'm FTTH

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there's an optical network terminator on the side of my house

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fiber runs from whatever device is at the curb to that

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@scenic radish I'm on the work VPN if I"m working

scenic radish
#

makes sense

forest edge
#

omg the cat diahera it just dosen't stop

scenic radish
#

lmao

fallow galleon
#

lol

scenic radish
last dirge
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hahaha

scenic radish
#

don't get a roomba or it'll spread it all over

forest edge
#

my back is actually killing me from cleaning it up. i texted the woman and said, hey there will be some messes i missed nothing i cn do lol

scenic radish
#

time to turn the cat into an outside cat...permanently

forest edge
#

no that would never happen

steel urchin
#

Damn that sucks man

scenic radish
#

jk

fallow galleon
#

@scenic radish .............the roomba image in my head, why

scenic radish
#

glad to be of service

last dirge
#

Roborock now with LIDAR and TURDAR

scenic radish
#

why is an alternative name for the poop emoji "hankey"? lol

last dirge
#

South Park?

scenic radish
#

ah, never seen it

last dirge
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Mr Hankey the Christmas Poo

forest edge
#

how have you never watched southpark?

scenic radish
#

i only know of Mr Poopybutthole

forest edge
#

omg that is right up your ally

steel urchin
#

I couldn't get into SP. Too immature for me

forest edge
#

lol

scenic radish
steel urchin
#

Same for Ren and Stimpy back in the day

forest edge
#

i watched that too lol

scenic radish
#

same

last dirge
#

looking back I don't know why the fuck my parents let me watch R&S

#

No sir, I don't like it

steel urchin
#

i didn't grow up with tv, so it wasn't a big thing for me... but i remember being at a friend's house and there was an episode on where they shaved the cat's tongue, and it grossed me out

forest edge
#

lol

last dirge
#

that's pretty emblematic of the whole cartoon

#

there was a recurring theme of exposed dental nerves

scenic radish
#

Nightmare fuel

steel urchin
#

can't wait for the outlet insulation pads to come in... it's amazing how much air these things let in

#

i counted 74 outlets in the house!

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and only 19 switches

last dirge
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@scenic radish no shit

steel urchin
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shit man put that in a spoiler tag

low harness
#

You're supposed to have walls that are thicker than an outlet box.

steel urchin
#

that doesn't even make sense to me

#

that attic and joist headers are open, so it allows air to flow into the walls

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in turn, it squeezes through the outlets and switches

#

at my last house it cut the bill by $50/mo

#

that's in freedom bills, aka USD

low harness
#

That's half my electricity bill, in winter... but around here we have a thing called "insulation" that we put in our walls.

steel urchin
#

yeah that's just for exterior walls

clever mortar
#

And attics...

steel urchin
#

you still have an entire attic, and open joist headers

clever mortar
#

We've got about a foot of insulation in the attic

steel urchin
#

so you guys don't have vents for your attic to exhaust?

#

might be a texas thing? i dunno... every house i've owned has been this way

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on #8 now, so i'd say i've had a decent sample size compared to most

clever mortar
#

UK insulates between the attic and the body of the house

steel urchin
#

yeah we do too, but usually only 10-12 inches, and not to cover most joists... but when you get air literally pushing through because of high winds (we're having upwards of 30mph today) you can really feel it pushing through the walls and outlets

tidal bronze
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@steel urchin so you getting the child proof plugs as well ? ๐Ÿ™‚

steel urchin
#

mmm i dunno... wifey wanted to, but not yet.. so far it's only $12 for 100 count of pads, we'll see how this works

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i hate pulling those things out when i need an outlet, and no children will be stepping foot into this house

tidal bronze
#

You need to caulk the box edges and plug the unused ones with child proof caps

steel urchin
#

i was seeing everyone using expanding foam, and i just thought "what a fuckin nightmare"

tidal bronze
#

Never foam. Disaster

last dirge
#

@clever mortar US too

steel urchin
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yeah.. well you can get construction grade foam that doesn't expand, but that's usually only used around exterior trims for backfill... either way, sounds like a mess in the making

tidal bronze
#

There is equal airflow through the actual plug out the female ends as much as edges

last dirge
#

there's foam meant for window casings you can use

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spray it between the box and the sheetrock

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it doesn't expand

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you just wait for it to cure and cut off the small excess with a knife

steel urchin
#

yeah that's what i'm talking about Brian

last dirge
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you can tool it with a putty knife before it cures if you want and you won't have to trim it

steel urchin
#

yeah, that's why we're thinking the plugs for some, i haven't sourced any yet and want to see what the pads alone help with... but putties and foams and caulking all is a pain in the butt to do almost 100 units... i'd rather just slap a pad that covers the gaps ๐Ÿ˜›

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like i said, it did a lot for me in the last house... 3k sqft it cut the bill by 33%

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and kept humidity down

forest edge
#

your walls aren't insulated with anything?

steel urchin
#

not interior walls

forest edge
#

they used fiberglass insulation for sound dampening since the 70's

steel urchin
#

this house is fiber on exterior only.. last house was foam throughout (it backed to a highway with a train through the middle of the highway)

clear ferry
#

woot

forest edge
#

weird

steel urchin
#

all my other houses were like this, fiberglass insulation on exterior, nothing on interior

#

in theory it isn't needed on interior

clear ferry
#

we fill all our walls with insulation, interior or exterior

forest edge
#

it's certianly useful

#

like isaid it was used on interior walls for sound control mostly

clear ferry
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captures noise, keeps walls from filling up with cold air etc

forest edge
#

cause fiberglass is so cheap

steel urchin
#

yeah not here anyway :S

clear ferry
#

think it's been standard since... 1950s atleast, before that the houses didn't have it but most people who bought a house in the 80s or later would just bore a hole in the walls, and fill it with insulation

#

fiberglass in bits

forest edge
#

maybe it's a southren vs northern thing

steel urchin
#

could be

clear ferry
#

Y'all got some of that there insulation ?

steel urchin
#

been in georgia too long ๐Ÿคฃ

clear ferry
#

Aye, I'm starting to get an accent

steel urchin
#

that's funny

forest edge
#

now when he goes home he'll get beat up there too lol

clear ferry
#

I came here with generic english ๐Ÿคฃ

#

I still can do a pretty decent Irish accent from living there

#

inb4 @strange vapor

steel urchin
#

if it's not scottish, IT'S CRAP!

clear ferry
#

OH NO IT'S SCROOGE MCDUCK

steel urchin
#

somethin a friend and i used to yell for no reason

clear ferry
#

That is atleast understandable Scottish

#

compared to tinkerer

#

๐Ÿคฃ

#

I'm pretty sure he has a proper accent

steel urchin
#

one time my wife asked what time it was, and in my best sean connery voice i said "itsh shex titty"

#

and we died for about 10 minutes

clear ferry
#

Scots are a rare breed for sure

molten needle
#

Someone in the Home Assistant FB group shared it.

clear ferry
#

yeah that is usually the same price we get it for in norway

#

wish we had the max though

molten needle
#

For two? Here that's just the price for one.

clear ferry
#

oh it's two ?

#

dayyym

#

that's a good deal

molten needle
#

Right? I couldn't believe it.

clear ferry
#

if I only needed two ๐Ÿคฃ

forest edge
#

they must be having a hell of time getting rid of those lol

clear ferry
#

I enjoy my kitchen one

#

Wife uses it a lot

steel urchin
#

BBY does that once in a while, a decent piece of hardware goes on insane sale for unknowingly any reason

hushed basalt
#

$200 each here

#

For a hub

forest edge
#

what a day, feel like i been managing a daycare

amber bramble
#

backblaze b2's web file browser is terrible

fallow galleon
#

I need a cloud backup

forest edge
#

cloud ๐Ÿคข

rain swift
#

๐ŸŒฉ๏ธ

fallow galleon
#

Necessary for off-site backup

forest edge
#

so sit the nas outside the door and consider it off-site

fallow galleon
#

Wish my family friends are more tech-savvy then we could share nas

clear ferry
#

Cloud ๐Ÿคข

#

Aww shit, reminds me I need to copy some more of my Plex library to Google

#

I forgot all about that stuff ๐Ÿ˜‚

#

Ive never been to Wendy's

#

Is it any good?

#

They are feisty on twitter atleast๐Ÿ˜‚

humble pond
#

Itโ€™s a fraction better than McDonalds, but in the same ally.

clear ferry
humble pond
#

Their Spicy Chicken sandwich is probably the best thing on the menu. At least itโ€™s real chicken.

#

low bar

forest edge
#

@clear ferry get a frosty from wendy's. all you need ot get from there

#

the fries are good and the burger are alright. but wendy's frosty's are awesome

scenic radish
#

The spicy nugs are good too

clear ferry
#

I'm doing steak tonight

#

๐Ÿฅฉ

forest edge
clear ferry
#

Yes

#

Yes I do

#

Bring me a whole ๐Ÿ„ to the table, I'll ๐Ÿ”ช off what I want and PepeRide the rest ๐Ÿ˜๏ธ

rain swift
#

do you like it still mooing?

forest edge
#

atx goes back with mad cow disease lol

clear ferry
#

I like what the French call bleu

#

So 2 second on each side

#

To be fair, that is closer to French medium

#

So 1.5 seconds instead

#

But I am also the guy who eats raw bacon from the package

#

And raw minced meat

ocean mirage
#

'raw' bacon

rain swift
#

eat the wrong raw meat and it's worms for you

#

or salmonella

ocean mirage
#

if it were truly raw bacon you'd risk botulism

#

which is worse

rain swift
#

yes

clear ferry
#

Well, as raw as you get uncooked bacon from a package

#

Like this ungodly URL

#

I've never had food poisoning, been eating anything for 30 years

forest edge
#

our bacon is nothing like the bacon your use to eating

rain swift
#

try bat soup

#

report back

clear ferry
#

You have dirty bacon @forest edge ?

forest edge
#

we have real bacon

#

whatever your use to is the cut down, slimmed out petty of an excuse shadow of what our bacon is

clear ferry
forest edge
#

there's no doubt. i've read articles about it comparing our bacon to the rest of the world lol

clear ferry
#

Was it on non American publishers?

forest edge
#

was some Europe thing

clear ferry
#

Come back when you've tasted whale sashimi

#

๐Ÿณ

forest edge
#

thats not bacon

clear ferry
#

Sea-bacon!

forest edge
#

like calling a slim piece of steak cow-bacon

#

bacon only comes from one animal

#

anything else is not bacon lol

clear ferry
#

Long pig?

hushed basalt
#

It's so expensive here to do a house to euro standards

#

Because it's such a novelty. You automatically end up in luxury designer territory

forest edge
#

long pig? lol

clear ferry
#

What is euro standards?

hushed basalt
#

Insulation :D

#

Windows that aren't 3mm loose single pane in an aluminum frame slapped in the wall with a dab of construction adhesive

#

Poorly installed leaky ac ducting in a hot attic leaky under black tiles

forest edge
#

I thought the houses in the cities were well made?

hushed basalt
#

Down lights and holes drilled in everything. Double brick.

#

In Australia? God no

forest edge
#

they only look it from the outside lol

hushed basalt
#

No one even knows how bad they are

forest edge
#

or is that only in like Sydney? lol

clear ferry
#

So not a crackhouse @hushed basalt ?

hushed basalt
#

Very typical construction here

clear ferry
#

So you build big grill pits

hushed basalt
#

If not all construction

clear ferry
#

And live in them

hushed basalt
#

Render , Brick, air gap ,brick, plaster

#

Typical wall

#

Ceilings are just plasterboard, attic, tile

clear ferry
#

Modern Nรธrwรซgiรฅn house

#

Older Nรธrwรซgiรฅn house

#

Dang Google is letting me down with the URLs lately

forest edge
#

was half expecting the older one to be a log cabin style lol

hushed basalt
#

We just throw aircon at everything

#

That's our insulation

clear ferry
#

Like our cabins @forest edge?

forest edge
#

yea thats alittle closer to what i would picture. maybe even more hobbit like lol

clear ferry
#

We do very little brick

#

When I see a brick house I go

#

Oooooh exotic

forest edge
#

should have tons of stone houses though right?

clear ferry
#

No

#

Wood

#

All of it

#

We have block Foundation

#

But wood top

#

I can count the stone houses I've seen in my life on two hands

#

And all were built in the 30-40is

forest edge
#

I wonder why so few

#

maybe cause of the insulation aspect. although stone and wood are very comparable in that

#

stone is better i think actually

clear ferry
#

Yes, but we have so much wood

#

Stone never made sense

#

They are very warm in summer too

#

We preferably need something that is warm in winter

daring inlet
#

beats pfsense and his VLANs into submission

#

i mean uh, hi all lol

scenic radish
#

๐Ÿคจ

daring inlet
#

oh just trying to poke as few holes in my firewall as possible for my IoT VLAN

#

yet failing, apparently lol

forest edge
#

oh god someone said the v werd

scenic radish
#

heh v word

clear ferry
#

The music video for this is so good

#

But the lyrics get me every time

forest edge
#

atx wearing his pink power ranger suit while listening to that

daring inlet
#

the what what

clear ferry
daring inlet
#

lol

#

i'm actually just fighting firewall with fire now though

#

gets out the flamethrower

clear ferry
#

PEBKAC for sure๐Ÿ˜›

daring inlet
#

lol oh definitely

#

why is it so difficult to find out all of the ports and server addresses and such these things talk to? lol

clear ferry
#

It's easy

#

Just look at the firewall logs

#

Or wireshark

forest edge
#

they change

#

it's stupid, like they have a prebuitl database of ips and crap to randomly connect to

daring inlet
#

yeah, they do change

forest edge
#

this video doorbell connected to 20 diffrent ips in the matter of 30 seconds

daring inlet
#

hell my ecobee worked a week ago and I had to add more to my firewall to make it work again

#

oof. ring?

clear ferry
#

Cloud stuff ๐Ÿคข

forest edge
#

no this amtrek or whatever it is

daring inlet
#

yeah, I'm not really liking just how much stuff tries to talk to the internet on its own

forest edge
#

blame atx, it's his fault this crap exsist

daring inlet
#

I mean with my google home mini i know it should be talking to google, but always trying to go to google's dns instead of using what it's told? ick

#

lol damn it atx!

#

also, i'm seeing my smart tv trying to connect to 239.255.255.250 whatever the hell that is (local address according to ip lookup sites)

last dirge
#

that looks like it's most likely a unicast address

#

it shits out packets on that address so things can find it

daring inlet
#

ahh alright.

#

that makes sense but gotdayum

clear ferry
#

Multicast rather

last dirge
#

whatever

daring inlet
#

eh, some sort of cast

last dirge
#

๐Ÿ˜‰

clear ferry
forest edge
#

|| @scenic radish ||

scenic radish
#

yup it's multicast

#

you might also see Who has 10.0.0.x? Tell 10.0.0.y or whatever your subnet is lol

last dirge
#

chromecast

daring inlet
#

finds more IP addresses that belong to Google and/or Amazon, doesn't know if any domains are associated with them, gets aggravated

clear ferry
#

@scenic radish that would be lldp I guess

last dirge
#

I'm trying to negotiate a SSO platform at work

#

the ops guys are all like "we can just use MS ActiveDirectory"

forest edge
last dirge
#

without ever explaining how it'd generate web tokens for validation

daring inlet
#

OpenID Connect?

last dirge
#

there's nothing to do it by default

#

and pretty much everything I could find that MS publishes about either OIDC or SAML is about deploying it in Azure with some PaaS subscription

clear ferry
#

Zzzz

forest edge
#

would make me sleep too lol

clear ferry
#

I would be the only non project manager in my company in Scandinavia who has project management certification ๐Ÿ˜‚

forest edge
clear ferry
#

I'm a Audi head

#

But that is just nasty

#

Anything after 2005 is mostly fugly tbh

tough igloo
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Donโ€™t confuse your project board with your project bored

clear ferry
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What about the principles with my principles?

tough igloo
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ded

clear ferry
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Btw, did your wife translate my mails yet?๐Ÿ˜‚

hushed basalt
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Scrolling indicator lights are the worst

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Simple on/off pulses are simple and are much easier to see

clear ferry
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Only car that does them justice is some of the 70s muuuuurica cars

last dirge
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that's not true

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your eye detects motion far easier than just flashing

hushed basalt
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Not in that context

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Your brain looking at an indicator has a time domain

clear ferry
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My brain mostly has fault domains

forest edge
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hmm should we redirect all bitcoin questions to quadflight? lol

hushed basalt
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A light scrolling from 0 to 100 takes longer for your brain to figure out what it is

clear ferry
hushed basalt
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Indication lights are not the place for novelty

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They're safety devices

forest edge
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@hushed basalt you can't jumble the effects of age into a mass group like that. the younger you are any differences would be so minute it wouldn't even be something you could calculate

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like judging by peripheral vision. we naturally start start to lose/decay it as we age but while we are young it's fully intact no issues

clear ferry
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I've never been fully intact

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In vision atleast

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Born with an umbilical cord around my neck, one eye not very good, so no depth perception and a lot of walking into walls as a child

forest edge
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well it didn't help you wore a superhero helmet all your life regardless if people were impressed by your he-man 6 face helmet or not

clear ferry
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Worst part now is 3d does very little for me ๐Ÿ˜‚

forest edge
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oh

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wish i got my joke oiff before your sad truth.. sorry

clear ferry
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Idgaf ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚

small cairn
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hey guys!?

clear ferry
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I have adapted depth perception, but it took like 25 years until that worked reasonably

scenic radish
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YES???!!

clear ferry
small cairn
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After i add an integration to the configuration.yalm, what do i have to do next in order to use the integration?

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Sorry for asking here, just installed HA for the 1st time

velvet horizonBOT
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The topic of this channel is:

For chat around things that aren't Home Assistant related, like whether Docker or Kubernetes, or Celcius or Kelvin, or Celcius or Celsius, or anything. NO POLITICS or RELIGION and BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Tediore
clear ferry
scenic radish
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FORBIDDEN TOPIC DETECTED

forest edge
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this be the lounge

clear ferry
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@forest edge does it make you feel better if I told you I had to sleep in moisture cabinets a few times per year until I was like 4 because of a rare breathing issue? That I grew out of by the time I was 10? iLOVEyou

forest edge
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only thing you'll find here is dirty underwear and bad jokes

clear ferry
forest edge
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wtf is a moisture cabinet?

clear ferry
forest edge
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oh I don't remember what we call those but it isn't that lol

clear ferry
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Yeah, I just translated the Norwegian word

ocean mirage
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baby greenhouse

scenic radish
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What happened do your avatar

clear ferry
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@ocean mirage basically

forest edge
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he changed it to a booooob

clear ferry
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@scenic radish mรฅds

ocean mirage
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I've always had this avatar

scenic radish
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Did you ping @Mold again?

clear ferry
forest edge
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lol atMold

ocean mirage
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Bjorn Riis

clear ferry
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@mรธdd

ocean mirage
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is that gilmourish

clear ferry
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Yes

ocean mirage
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huh

scenic radish
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WHY IS IT PINK WHISKERZ

ocean mirage
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y not

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I like pink

scenic radish
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O

forest edge
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all tediore see's is a booooob

scenic radish
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Okay

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Heh

clear ferry
scenic radish
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More like the areola

forest edge
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I still wanna know what happened with the person who PM'ed you there HA version lol

clear ferry
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@scenic radish saved them from eternal damnation

scenic radish
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I answered them in #330944238910963714 , then they DM'd me so I told them to ask in the public channel and we never heard from them again ๐ŸŽ‰

clear ferry
scenic radish
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๐Ÿฅณ

forest edge
clear ferry
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๐Ÿคข

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I need more beers for this

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But I have exactly 0

forest edge
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|| if you have any further questions please feel free to PM @clear ferry directly ||

clear ferry
ocean mirage
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for more information please ping the mods

forest edge
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phnx is all playing it off like he's not here lol

clear ferry
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Damn @wet pilot slacking

scenic radish
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@wet pilot WAKE UP

ocean mirage
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I have every channel but this one muted, I miss all the fun

forest edge
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oh he ran away!

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good going

scenic radish
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@penis wake up

clear ferry
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Like everybody else who had this muted @ocean mirage

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I only mute iOS and dev channels

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๐Ÿคข

scenic radish
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I only mute ur mom

clear ferry
forest edge
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you should give out your cell number for more indepth tech support atx lol

ocean mirage
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Thats why I have his email address

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first problem I have im lighting him up

clear ferry
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Doit

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Call me for sexy time

scenic radish
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๐Ÿคข

clear ferry
scenic radish
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Every damn time with that emoji lol

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Invite me to that server pls

wet pilot
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oh, wasn't actually here ๐Ÿ˜›

scenic radish
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now u r

wet pilot
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lol

clear ferry
scenic radish
clear ferry
scenic radish
clear ferry
wet pilot
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one more hour before i get paid (typically)

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bossman told me i got my full quarterly bonus this time too

clear ferry
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Quarterly bonus HanaNom

wet pilot
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oh, probably 25 hours before it shows up

clear ferry
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We do yearly

wet pilot
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10% annually assessed quarterly

clear ferry
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Got 8.5% last year PedoBearD