#the-water-cooler

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dull chasm
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ofc

clear ferry
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Actually, that is pretty close 😂

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Just add some gators in

dull chasm
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lol i dont live more than 50m from a swamp

clear ferry
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Exactly

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I knew it

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Git her done @dull chasm

unkempt night
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Hey, would it be worth doing a fresh install of HA since I've been running a HA server for the last year and a half, lots of stuff changed since then

dull chasm
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LOL i will bet lots of money ....i have more guns than u

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and ammo

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@unkempt night possible then you can add back little by little ..or just read change notes

unkempt night
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Yeah thats what im thinking

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I've been keeping up with change notes

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I'd imagine there is traces of previous intergrations that no longer work etc

clear ferry
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I have 0, you win @dull chasm

dull chasm
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LOL

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@unkempt night i see your point thou ...with fresh your instance will be up then you can test little by little with added configs

unkempt night
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I'll be honest the only automations I have right now are smart plug notifications for my washing machine etc

clear ferry
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Brb ship Christmas 🎁 to vasiley, to: guy with crosses, address :next to swamp, truck country, gatorland, home of the brave

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Successfully delivered

unkempt night
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Is 64 bit or 32bit better?

dull chasm
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LOL .... i am in a very catholic area

unkempt night
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I'm running on RPI 3 B+ to clarify

clear ferry
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You mean "the south" Vasiley? 😂

dull chasm
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yes louisiana ...we still have parishes (instead of county) based on the church

clever mortar
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@unkempt night Try the relevant install method channel - HA related questions are off topic here 😉

clear ferry
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Norway finally separated state and church a few years ago

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I still had to opt out of being a member of the church, for the third time...

dull chasm
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well it is seperate just we follow the church and never saw a reason to change

scenic radish
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Such a strange comic lmao

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Reminds me of ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US

clear ferry
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They set us up the bomb

scenic radish
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Turns out I'm the blanket stealer

clear ferry
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Vasiley, tinkerer and in the lower one

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Tediore in the upper

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I'm the guy with the blow dryer

scenic radish
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Ok boomer

clear ferry
scenic radish
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@clever mortar the fossil collider is a nonstarter for me. You were right, it only supports notifications from 13 apps. They're supposed to release support for a longer list of apps by the end of the year but it's still terrible. Such a disappointment

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I can't buy it and just hope they release support for all apps, that'd be dumb

clever mortar
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Yeah.... need to wait and see what they actually do, vs what they promise

clear ferry
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Two weeks battery life and looks pretty

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Not bad

odd mason
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@clear ferry no idea I'll add One back on a bit

clear ferry
scenic radish
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i like the to watch atxbyea lot, but the lack of notifications is a total deal breaker

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shame too because it's 30% off on fossil's website, making it $135 before tax

clear ferry
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I thought you said you like to watch

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Thought you were some creepy vouyer

orchid rose
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kink shaming, smh

scenic radish
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it's 2015!

clear ferry
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I like smelling new PCBs aFinnaPeanut

scenic radish
low harness
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Last time I was in a locker room with older men, they started whistling Take On Me by a-ha.
Surprised me a bit, until I realized that song is 35 years old, and those old men where my age back then...

scenic radish
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that music video is pretty cool

low harness
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I love it

scenic radish
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it's like a fever dream

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as the discord preview probably indicates

final acorn
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does anybody knows some complex software which will be able to retrieve from folders/metadata tags/dbs all files filtered by date&time, gps, metatag name etc

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for example: Give me all images with John

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another example: Give me all documents created before 01/01/2020

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I want to be able to see documents (pdfs,docs,xlsx,txt), images (png,jpeg,bmp), videos (mkv,mp4, avi..)

low harness
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Those are waaaay different problems...

clever mortar
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Google though... they did sell a search appliance

low harness
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Any OS can sort by date. Lots of programs can do gps coordinates for pictures. Saying if John is in a picture is... tough... and processing video in the same way is a whole other level.

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Didn't they kill that in 2018?

clever mortar
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No idea, I don't know anybody that actually bought it

scenic radish
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Didn't they kill that in 2018?
certainly sounds like google

clever mortar
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Nah, if it really was Google it'd be when did they kill it

scenic radish
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true lol. also tinkerer i think instead of buying the collider i'm gonna hang on to my PTR for dear life and buy a pixel 3a xl instead

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i'm hoping it goes down to $379 on amazon like at best buy, google store, etc. because i have $100 in amazon credit

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and i'm currently still on the OG pixel xl

clever mortar
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Snap

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I debated getting a 3A XL in the current sale, but... there's nothing really wrong with the phone

scenic radish
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yeah i like the pixel xl but the lack of future updates now is gonna be a killer for me

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guess a custom rom is always an option, as long as it doesn't kill google pay

clever mortar
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Oh, I agree, but I'm only going to worry about that with Android 11 - at which time the Pixel 5 will be on the horizon

scenic radish
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that's a good point

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given google's recent work with the pixel line though, i don't have much confidence...

clever mortar
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I'm not ready to buy a phone without a fingerprint sensor

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Maybe the face unlock won't be a train wreck next year

hushed basalt
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@final acorn kyno can probably do what you want

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It's not free but it's good

final acorn
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thanks guys

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just I wanted to implement, for example I have a problem with my bank account

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I enter home, and say hey Alexa, give me my records from bank from period 01/01/2020 - 01/03/2020

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or my friend come to me, and I want to show our photos/videos

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I need just some ultra heavy-duty complex prgram for all of that

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and above of that user management, permissions etc

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I was thinking to buy qnap nas

scenic radish
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@clever mortar can't give up the fingerprint sensor. it's dumb but my fiancee has the 3a xl and i'm jealous that she has AOD and i don't lol

junior forge
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Wowzer

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Really now Gizmodo? you sound surprised bro...

scenic radish
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that should have been obvious to them when amazon put alexa in a microwave lol

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something that you always have to physically interact with to use

unreal orbit
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That is until they release the Echo Bot that can go grab your food for you

low harness
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The fact that you have one forced interface never stopped people from adding another, stupider, one...

rigid quiver
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Also most microwaves have way too many number buttons. You could easily remove half of them.

low harness
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Like when pumping gas, and you have to move your hand from the physical number buttons where you just typed your bank pin, take off your gloves in the freezing cold, and select a pump number from a touch screen.

rigid quiver
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I know of one chain of pumps here that use the same keypad for both.

low harness
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They all used to!

scenic radish
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pump number?

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never had to do that

low harness
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Then someone decided they had to have a touch screen, because give me your money, that’s why!

scenic radish
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i just have to enter my zip code for my card

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with the physical keypad

unreal orbit
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Some states don't even allow people to pump their own gas

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must be nice

scenic radish
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yeah that's insane to me

low harness
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Around here it’s common to have one POS for several pumps.

scenic radish
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ah

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also i really need to get a UPS... power has been knocked out briefly twice in the last few weeks...

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surprisingly my topic forbidden setup hasn't been corrupted

dull chasm
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@unreal orbit thats for job creation's which in my op is good

strange vapor
unreal orbit
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@dull chasm I won't respond to that out of fear that the discussion will get too political 😉

dull chasm
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things like that dont have too ...its just as simple as people need to work and a couple cents per gallon is worth it

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i am not a political person at all but people need to support them self's regardless of skill/education

unreal orbit
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The topic by nature is political because it's a situation being created by government regulation

clear ferry
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@scenic radish you are allowed to pump your own gas in your state?

scenic radish
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yessir

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in most states lol

unreal orbit
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AFAIK it's an East coast thing

scenic radish
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there are like 2 that you can't for some...unknown reason

clear ferry
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In the United States, gas jockeys were often tipped for their services, but this is now rare as full-service stations are uncommon except in the states New Jersey and Oregon (counties with more than 40,000 residents), the town of Weymouth, Massachusetts, and the town of Huntington, New York, where retail customers are prohibited by law from pumping their own gasoline.

dull chasm
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oregon started it

scenic radish
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so strange

unreal orbit
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Oh my. I can taste the entitlement

clear ferry
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Oregon natives pumping their own gas

dull chasm
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it actually came up in discussion of retial envoriments ....more retial is moving to self serve (checking your self out etc) store still charges same amout for product but pays out less in labor .... so they toke it vote and it won ....

clear ferry
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I wish there was more self service, we have slowly adopted it in Norway the last 6+ years

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In stores that is, and kiosks

wet pilot
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the self serve kiosks are obnoxious sometimes

clear ferry
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And even in gas stations we can buy windscreen wash and cleaning at the pump

wet pilot
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i want a konami code to get it to STFU and run like a normal checkout

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let me scan everything and then check the weights at the end

clear ferry
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Yeah, I remember the grocery kiosk robotwe had in my hometown in... Early 2000s

dull chasm
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i hate them ... i like real people ...but the i am very happy with the vote system ...i will go with and be happy with the way the vote goes ...that is how it should work

clear ferry
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It was buggy as hell

wet pilot
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they want you to do the work but they don't trust you to do the work

light trout
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I prefer self checkout, less human interaction

clear ferry
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I self checkout the weekly shopping, scan and put wares in the bag directly, then just pay and leave the store

dull chasm
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well yall are alot younger ... i remember when you went somewhere there was somebody to help you and knew what they where talking about

wet pilot
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heh, store employees actually knowing things 😛

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only time i get that is at Home Depot (usually)

dull chasm
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yes sir at one time

clear ferry
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Yeah trust me, nobody knows anything in retail todayaRoo_ThrowMoney

unreal orbit
clear ferry
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Tried buying a fuse at the gas station a few years ago

dull chasm
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one reason i go to what the call mom and pop stores

clear ferry
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The kid didn't even know the word fuse

wet pilot
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lol

scenic radish
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"why do you need a fuse for your gas tank?"

dull chasm
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fuel pump ....duh

wet pilot
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i'm not sure why you're looking for the filesystem in userspace in a gas station sir

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(as if a gas station employee knows advanced linux concepts)

clear ferry
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They probably do because they took a useless education

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And now don't have any job offerings and work at the gas station

dull chasm
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at least they are working ....we have alot here that dont

wet pilot
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true

scenic radish
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true

clear ferry
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Yeah, I'm interested to see the evolution of the welfare state here, has been a lot of kids who just don't work and rather get money from the state

dull chasm
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we got same thing believe me

scenic radish
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so... crazy weather lately, huh?

dull chasm
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🤣

clear ferry
clear ferry
amber bramble
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have people been getting 2019 hacktoberfest shirts yet?

unreal orbit
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I got mine a few weeks ago

scenic radish
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Same

amber bramble
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i got my confirmation on 10/23 but no shipping yet :/

clear ferry
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Not yet here....

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Order confirmation the 23/10 here too

boreal pewter
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Well, that part only needs a server, the packaging needs a human 😛

clear ferry
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Due to the volume please be patient while we fulfill your Hacktoberfest order! Transit is estimated between 3-5 weeks for delivery from the time you receive tracking. You’ll receive an email with tracking information once shipped.

fallow galleon
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wait, how do you get one?

wet pilot
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by signing up in time and submitting a number of PRs to open source projects

fallow galleon
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oh

scenic radish
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changes "a" to "an" in four different docs
shirt pls

wet pilot
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pretty much, but if you piss off the maintainers of whatever project you spammed, they can ensure you don't get credit 😛

unreal orbit
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That's what their verification process supposedly detects and rejects

scenic radish
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Lol yeah that makes sense

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clear ferry
scenic radish
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You always have the best emoji lmao

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You get your money's worth out of discord nitro

clear ferry
clear ferry
midnight adder
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Hello

scenic radish
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@trail crag does ipv6 really even matter for devices on a local network? i understand why it will eventually be needed for WAN, but why would devices on a LAN even need an ipv6 address?

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i'm guessing it's because the router would need to use ipv6 addresses on the LAN if it's using ipv6 to connect to the Internet but still... couldn't there be a clever way to use ipv4 on LAN and ipv6 for WAN?

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WAN WAN WAN

rigid quiver
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There is no nat in ipv6 and there is no good way to tunnel v6 over 4 for clients. Ipv4 just needs to die.

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There are decent ways to do ipv6 to v4 translation but not the other way around.

scenic radish
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Ah gotcha, makes sense.

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forgot about the lack of NAT with ipv6. that's certainly nice

clever mortar
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My HA server can be reached, externally and internally, over IPv4 or IPv6 - it's pretty neat

clear ferry
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IPv6, played with it since ludeeus was born

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Not yet comfortable with it

storm summit
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ipv6 is a hoax

hushed basalt
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It's a Chinese back door

scenic radish
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ipv4 addresses are certainly easier to remember

hushed basalt
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I need to go full ipv6

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But my router doesn't support it. Sigh

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Plus I don't understand it so I'm not sure where I would be leaving myself vulnerable

strange vapor
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Native IPv6 is easy until you have to talk to IPv4.

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I run a native IPv6 network where the biggest pain points are NAT64 and DNS64.

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Oh, and MySQL was evicted as it's permissions setup was a pain for IPv6.

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On a related note, give a server a name starting with a number, and try to grant it privs in MySQL....

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It will fail when you attempt to connect.

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MySQL will parse it as an ip due to it starting with a number.....

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This is a known "security" feature and won't be fixed!

wet pilot
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rofl

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same in maria?

strange vapor
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Haven't tried. Moved to Postgres and haven't looked back.

hushed basalt
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I think number as first character breaks a lot of things

strange vapor
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Postgresql's IP and JSON types make life easier, and I have some PostGIS fun going on as well.

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@hushed basalt Fair, but justifying it as a security measure is sub optimal!

scenic radish
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I have ipv6 enabled on my router but I don't think it's actually doing anything lol

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My ISP supports it

strange vapor
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@scenic radish By bulk, most of my traffic is IPv6 due to Netflix, Youtube and VPNs to servers.

scenic radish
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Ah interesting

hushed basalt
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I would need to figure out how to do it at the home network leveo

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Level*

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In terms of allowing remote access to HA and my RP etc

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scenic radish
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😉

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(it was a joke obvi)

hushed basalt
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Yes I know ;) old habits

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Google hangouts don't let you edit

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Nor facebook messenger

scenic radish
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such bullshit

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Anyone have a recommendation for a decent UPS?

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I don't need anything super fancy, just enough to shut down my pi gracefully during a power outage

hushed basalt
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What country

scenic radish
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US

hushed basalt
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Should be heaps

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RPI is pretty light

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But you probably want to put your router etc on it

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I don't know American brands though

scenic radish
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yeah just the pi, modem, and router

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or i suppose just the pi and router really

hushed basalt
scenic radish
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ah thx

storm summit
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Ipv6 is always going to be a toy. Never anything serious.

scenic radish
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Y

strange vapor
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Almost 30% of Google's traffic is IPv6 these days.

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No more IPv4 available via normal allocation means, and Carrier Grade NAT will only carry ISPs so far. Expect to see more and more mobile carriers in particular start dabbling in IPv6

scenic radish
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guess i'm glad i have an ipv4 address through my ISP... at least for now

strange vapor
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A lot of ISPs already considering removing public IPv4 from residential connections. If you want a public IPv4 you can pay for the privilege by upgrading to Business!

scenic radish
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muh duckdns

strange vapor
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Won't work as expected if your "public" ip is an RFC1918 behind an ISP NAT!

scenic radish
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gross

strange vapor
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It's coming 😦 IPv4 are becoming a valuable commodity. The established ISPs will start selling off a load of subnets as they're now valuable, while most residential behind NAT. After all, most users really won't care as long as they can get their social media and streaming services. Meanwhile, new ISPs will push IPv6 hard as it's cheaper!

scenic radish
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I have Xfinity so I'm surprised I haven't lost mine yet

hushed basalt
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We just need to get rid of all the northerners

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Only ~700 million people in the southern hemisphere

scenic radish
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😭

ocean mirage
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Yeah my ISP recently went to CGNAT but it was simple to opt out

scenic radish
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How'd that work?

hushed basalt
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I need to get a pfsense box

ocean mirage
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Literally just called em and was like 'yo I host shit'

scenic radish
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Any extra cost?

young sigil
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No extra cost, just a phone call. At least for my ISP.

scenic radish
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huh. interesting.

young sigil
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I was ready to drop the cash for a static address when it happened.

scenic radish
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hopefully comcast is as reasonable as other ISPs when they inevitably switch

young sigil
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I also do not understand ipv6. Can you use it for a public address and keep the internal network nice sane ipv4?

scenic radish
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apparently there's no real way to route ipv6 to ipv4

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😄

young sigil
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No ipv6 to ipv4 NAT? Well that's just mad.

scenic radish
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Yeah I'm surprised that can't be done. ipv4 addresses are easy to remember. ipv6 are... the stuff of nightmares

wet pilot
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i thought 6 -> 4 was fine but going the other way was the problem

clear ferry
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What did you dream? It's alright we told you what to dream

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@young sigil would have been even better if you said MAD !

young sigil
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Is that some sort of TLA?

clear ferry
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Yeah, atleast for Comware IRF it is what is used for split brain scenarios where all stacking links are down

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I just call it mutually assured destruction, but it is called something else in comware

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But it really does mutually assured destruction, no links come up

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Come to think of it, I think I have installed some servers that calculate for met.no so I'm intertwined with the HA project, six degrees of separation and such

hushed basalt
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No more work!

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Officially finished

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Time logramitherically moves slower the closer you get to your finish date though

young sigil
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So you are now an officially unemployed hobo? @clear ferry ohhh that MAD.

strange vapor
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@scenic radish You can get an IPv6 only network talking to IPv4, I go to FOSDEM in Brussels every year, and their wireless network is IPv6 only. DNS64 and NAT64 at the edge allows communiction to "Legacy" IPv4 endpoints 🙂

scenic radish
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So there is hope yet!

clear ferry
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No hope for you!

young sigil
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He looks like he has sand in his jiney.

hushed basalt
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Yes officially a hobo

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Some actual time to freelance, study and spend with my daughter

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So basically axtbyea without the generous social welfare

clear ferry
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The original supergroup

strange vapor
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In relation to the FOSDEM network, a couple of years ago, they made the main FOSEDM network IPv6 only and FOSDEM-Legacy as dual stack. They have lovely Grafana dashboards during the conference which should number of clients on each and what they are in terms of OS/Manufacturer.

When they went IPv6 only, the main casuality was Andoird!! Android at the time wouldn't bring up an interface if it only had an IPv6 address. Every other OS didn't really care.

clear ferry
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@hushed basalt that is not what she said!

strange vapor
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This was pointed out publicly on stage during the closing session, and there was lots of Google and Core Android devs in the audience.

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Next Android "security" release had that fixed 😄

young sigil
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@hushed basalt go the TS80

hushed basalt
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I was going to go bigger. Better. Stronger. More happier

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Jbc compact <3

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Only four times the price but oh well

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Plus TS80 wouldn't be powerful for a few of my jobs

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So I'm just back where i started

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Hakko has a god awful interface. Weller catches on fire and has a garbage stand

clear ferry
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We had an awesome smd solder station at school, complete setup was $40k class I think, it even had solder sucking in the iron if memory serves right

young sigil
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If you can afford it and dont need the portability the JBC is out of the TS Miniware league. I have a Hakko DS whatever and agree. I just set the temp and forget.

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Pretty sure I mentioned I'm in love with the Metcal stations we use at work. $$$ more still though.

clear ferry
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I should reach out to some music contacts of mine and mention that my workbench is usable again

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I miss troubleshooting amps and stuff

young sigil
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Don't do that musos are worse than yachties when it comes to paying for work.

clear ferry
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Pff, usually they pay me in music equipment

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Which I approve of ASpfft

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I talked to some guys at a local music shop they said that mostly all amp repair was done by one guy in Oslo, and he hardly ever has time

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Must be an untapped market

strange vapor
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@clear ferry Do whata friend of mine does, go to local car boot sales and their equivs. He gets old amps and effects cheap, repairs them and sells them at a nice profit.

clear ferry
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As a hobby it is a great side business catparty

strange vapor
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He has gone to three days a week for actual work!

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And the rest is a hobby that makes him money!

clear ferry
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@strange vapor tried advertising for that, but people in Norway are fucking idiots, they want full retail price for a broken amp

strange vapor
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Strangely, he won't take in other people's gear to fix at a price. He prefers to buy old stuff where there's no outside pressure to get it fixed.

clear ferry
hushed basalt
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I plan to do some cable assembly for easy cash

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I can solder a 2 pin lemo to dtap cable and sell them for about $120 each at going rate

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About $40-$50 in parts and there's no one here who does it

clear ferry
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I had to Google both of those

hushed basalt
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Expensive film and tv connectors

clear ferry
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I figured as much

hushed basalt
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That's way too much though

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Last ones I bought were $20 ex GST

young sigil
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I used an 8 pin version of that Lemo connector for a custom hand-held VHF radio to headset cable. Nice connectors. AGSO (air ground support officer) proof but fiddly.

jagged mantle
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Im thinking of buying a Nest hub and I'm wondering if its worth it and how i can integrate it with hass?

clear ferry
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It might be snowing

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@jagged mantle do you mean the Google home with screen? I love mine

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But it had changed name three times atleast owo

jagged mantle
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yes

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have it? Wasn't it first google home hub and now nest hub?

scenic radish
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it integrates with home assistant as a media player (but that's off-topic here, need to go to #330944238910963714)

clear ferry
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I use it for music, radio and streaming my surveillance cameras when movement

scenic radish
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i like mine, but i also got it for $47 so i'm not sure i'd pay full retail

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screamin' deal on ebay

clear ferry
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Need to look into getting it to work with routines

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But I think it hates Norwegian

scenic radish
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routines? you mean "watered-down automations"?

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😉

jagged mantle
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converted to us dollars from swedish kronor it's about 110$ and seems to be a good deal atleast here in sweden, right now we only have mostly lights at home so no cameras or smart doorbells apart from a 433mhz doorbell

wet pilot
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<@&330946878646517761> spam discord link ^

junior forge
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Thanks @wet pilot

clear ferry
jagged mantle
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???

scenic radish
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It wasn't pointing at you

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Something else was posted that the mods deleted

scenic radish
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@wet pilot was it the Google play rewards one again?

wet pilot
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Yup

scenic radish
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Ugh

hushed basalt
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Google homes minis are like 50% off right now

scenic radish
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Ehhh. They're only good if you need voice control somewhere, not good for music

hushed basalt
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I don't mind the music tbh

#

But placement makes a huge difference

#

The mics are wayyyyyy better than the original google home

#

I have 1 home and 3 home minis

twilit flint
#

Does anyone have recommendations for smart thermostats that can be controlled in Home Assistant?
I really like the idea and aesthetic of Nest Thermostats, but I hear that they aren't compatible with HA anymore.

clear ferry
#

I should buy some Google home mini now that the nest mini has arrived

#

Half price for the old one

scenic radish
clear ferry
#

Real video of me implementing something in HA

#

But then ludeeus fixes something

steel urchin
#

ok i'll be that guy, anyone know of any great deals going on?

light trout
steel urchin
#

err i should have been more specific 😛 like switches and fun devices

#

i've been getting a ton of other stuffs already... tv's, robo vacs, etc... now i'm diving into this

clear ferry
#

Switches and fun devices are cheap to build yourself 😛

steel urchin
#

heh but they won't look as good 😛

#

i'm in atx lol

#

small world

light trout
steel urchin
#

i'm not creative enough atm to even contemplate what i would make other than a dimmer switch or an outlet switch, which i think is already done better than i can do 😛

#

maybe some buttons would be fun/cool

#

or motion sensors

wet pilot
#

@steel urchin the ATX in @clear ferry has to do with the mobo standard not Austin 😛

steel urchin
#

oh lol

#

that's funny

clear ferry
#

ATX, BTX, EATX, mATX

hushed basalt
#

Any surface laptop users here

ocean mirage
#

I got a surface pro if that’s close enough

clear ferry
#

NO

ocean mirage
#

Pffft atx

#

I only deal with ITX or SSI-EEB

clear ferry
steel urchin
#

what are some good WAF systems for interfaces? I've been seeing lovelace for desktop browser, and i see some apps (ie, Ariela) that claim support for lovelace (although I don't understand what that truly means yet except maybe reading panel configs, but it certainly isn't the same UI right? wouldn't lovelace have css for mobile built-in for mobile?)

Anyway, just looking for something i can throw on a tablet for quick, clean, sexy ui access

#

WAF = "wife acceptance factor"

clear ferry
#

The best is always automation 😛

steel urchin
#

yeah i have a few fun ideas i am going to try for automation, and i'm on the hunt for good cheap physical switches for lighting/dimming... i'm not sure what the correct term is yet, but i'm hoping to find a remote or button wall plate (ie, looks like a switch but battery operated) that can also assist.

But then I want a nice UI for overview, and per-room control, along with a global scene control for most commonly used scenes

#

i'll keep looking, but always looking to hear "stay away from <xyz>!"

#

i've got about $500 worth of crap in a cart atm 🤣 so i'm trying to make decent decisions on a short time schedule

clear ferry
#

Xiaomi buttons are great

#

Both the small ones and the ones that look like regular switches

steel urchin
#

am i dumb trying to stick 100% to a single protocol?

#

oh hmm... they're BT? that's not horrible

#

i'm just mostly trying to stay away from the wifi systems i think

clear ferry
#

No, ZigBee

#

I use ZigBee, WiFi, 433 mostly, retired most of my zwave stuff for now

#

Might introduce some Bluetooth soon

steel urchin
#

says smart bluetooth switch

#

huh, so the image and description says bluetooth, but the comments say zigbee 😒

clear ferry
steel urchin
#

so ok, hmm.... i need to research zigbee, i've only looked at z-wave and instantly liked a lot about it

clear ferry
steel urchin
#

hmmm so it appears zigbee networking is more advanced

clear ferry
hushed basalt
#

I do need a good dashboard for ha

#

Something that has limited access

#

Permanently on, etc

clear ferry
#

Tablet in kiosk mode?

#

Chuwi tablets are nice

#

Good performance and great price

young sigil
hushed basalt
#

@clear ferry more the interface

#

I have an ipad 2 not doing much

#

Hadashboard?

#

I don't want raw homeassistant as there's no user restrictions

orchid rose
#

So I got my Oculus Rift and turns out my motherboard's USB3 is not compatible with it...

#

and I can't find a pci-e USB3 anywhere. Called all the local stores but none of them have those 😦

hushed basalt
#

Ah good old usb

#

Do you have a usb c port on your mobo

orchid rose
#

nope, the mobo is from 2011 🙂

hushed basalt
#

You could solder one on :D

orchid rose
#

...and my laptop doesn't have displayport

boreal pewter
#

Can't you just adapter USB-C to USB3 ?

hushed basalt
#

Which way

boreal pewter
#

?

clear ferry
#

?

scenic radish
#

?

light trout
#

?

stable terrace
#

@hushed basalt I have a surface laptop

scenic radish
#

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

clear ferry
stable terrace
#

?

clear ferry
hushed basalt
#

@stable terrace laptop 2?

#

I'm looking at the laptop 3 15"... For business

#

Such a stupid name

stable terrace
#

No, original. Love it though

balmy onyx
#

Any good black Friday deals for Home Assistant compatible devices (lights, switches, etc.)?

fallow galleon
#

I'd like to know as well

boreal pewter
#

I only would know locally for Germany

#

But it's probably not a bad idea to checkout the known china sellers like Gearbest and Banggood

fallow galleon
#

I see $5 amazon smart plug but I don't think it works wit HA

boreal pewter
#

Check for the protocol. And as said, China Shops most likely

fallow galleon
#

wyze cam came out with a black version, hmm

boreal pewter
#

https://www.reichelt.de/housing-for-raspberry-pi-4-aluminium-black-rpi-case-alu07-p261677.html?GROUPID=9002&START=0&OFFSET=16&SID=92XOqFiqwQAT8AABCtVlkb179f50302da0efb5eed9a6af73584ee&LANGUAGE=EN&&r=1

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abstract mountain
#

@hushed basalt Surface Laptop 1st gen user here

jaunty summit
#

for anyone with zwave and/or wifi switches. which do you prefer?

#

i had planned on getting the zwave+ leviton light switches, but their wifi equivlant is 42% off right now so now im like 🤔

smoky oxide
#

i have wifi, z-wave and zigbee 🙂

#

I have sonoff wifi for builtin switches, and I use xiaomi zigbee that is just glued to the wall

viscid laurel
clear ferry
#

I like that rclone uses my memory instead of disk for temporary storage @boreal pewter 🤣

#

currently using 30G RAM for copying to the cloud

boreal pewter
#

😄

clear ferry
#

Yes officer, I frequently commit genocide, of docker containers

clever mortar
#

Ah, the joys of the ESTA

clear ferry
#

Atleast they don't ask about my sexual shanannigans like the blood donor paper does.... Trying to not look suspicious

jaunty summit
#

dont ask dont tell is in effect again

flat lintel
#

@plucky pollen did you ping me on the forums?

plucky pollen
#

I did

#

Any way to get an area created?

#

we have been using a thread like an area for quite a bit for ZHA

flat lintel
#

I guess we can

#

@plucky pollen

plucky pollen
#

we have been using a thread like an area for quite a bit for ZHA

#

Thanks man

flat lintel
#

yep

sterile bridge
#

just discovered this project this morning and spent half my day reading about it, looks really cool!

#

I'm about to become obsessed and ruin my life aren't I

jaunty summit
#

that depends... are u married?

sterile bridge
#

yeah and she's into the plex and sonos stuff

#

not really into the "I want automatic curtains and the skylights" thing

#

only way to tell is for me to pick up another Pi tomorrow haha

jaunty summit
#

you might be okay. my wife rolled her eyes when i dimmed the lights when we started a movie with the kodi box, but then bragged about to our friends

sterile bridge
#

I need to read about light switches, we agonized over which wallswitches to get and now it sounds like I might want to replace them?

jaunty summit
#

i just dropped $500 on switches today actually

sterile bridge
#

I'm sensitive to flickering and wanted to ensure the led backlights in our wall switches were subtle enough and didnt have that 50hz flicker etc

#

put her through hell ensuring the colours were bang on haha, this is gonna be great

jaunty summit
#

just a FYI. the guys here are awesome. just dont expect an immediate answer. also it is important you use the channels properly. hassio questions go to the hassio channel, zwave etc...

sterile bridge
#

copy that, thanks for the heads up

jaunty summit
#

yup. welcome to one more time vampire hobby

wet pilot
#

gets worse if you want to start developing for it

sterile bridge
#

"I spent 500 hours so I don't have to open the curtains with my hands" <-- me hopefully

wet pilot
#

heh

#

curtain stuff can be tricky. not a lot of commercially available products for it yet

sterile bridge
#

there's a ton you can do once you have a hub and can execute your own code/rules I am guessing

#

hygrometer etc in subfloors

wet pilot
#

you can do a lot with an esp these days

sterile bridge
#

'esp'?

jaunty summit
#

...it has begun

wet pilot
sterile bridge
#

I was thinking pi, get hygrometers for wine cellar and some power point switchy things for lamps... see how I go

#

ahh this is like an arduino but geared to automation?

wet pilot
#

a pi can do it, just a bit overkill

#

pretty much

sterile bridge
#

I'll have a read.. whats a rough layout like. A pi hub, with arduino devices and other commercial devices hanging off it over wifi?

wet pilot
#

"it depends"

#

add a usb dongle for zwave/zigbee and you can bring all those in too

midnight adder
#

Haii

covert gale
#

I have an old slim Dell desktop that I am thinking about scrapping - would I be able to use it as a HA server? It has Linux Mint already on it but I'm not seeing a lot of documentation on the HA website

wet pilot
#

could throw docker on it and do it that way

scenic radish
hushed basalt
#

@covert gale absolutely

#

I'd nuke the linux mint though and put bare metal Ubuntu server on it

wet pilot
#

ubuntu server, debian server, fedora server, centos server, which ever

#

i use fedora

storm summit
#

distro war. 🥊

wet pilot
#

lol

scenic radish
#

Debian ftw

wet pilot
#

meh, too slow

#

(in getting updated packages)

feral eagle
#

anyone seen any good black friday deals?
looking for bulbs,switches and plug?

#

I am from the UK

hushed basalt
#

Yeah ubuntu is a good middle ground

#

And it's common as hell which is incredibly important for novices

wet pilot
#

decent docs too

hushed basalt
#

Commonality wins over "best" in most cases

wet pilot
#

the distro with the best overall docs is arch, but that's a whole different beast

scenic radish
#

the only distro i have experience with is debian lol

#

so i'm biased

wet pilot
#

i've tried most of them

scenic radish
#

don't tell @clear ferry you like ubuntu

wet pilot
#

i've used gentoo but never spun it up myself

hushed basalt
#

Easiest distro to go from zero to having docker up and running is the best

#

Some distros take an hour to figure out how to even download their isos

wet pilot
#

eh, prolly. decently easy in fedora (though there's a bug right now)

hushed basalt
#

Then commonality to avoid weird edge cases

#

Nothing worse than trying to make application A talk to application B while on distro X version Y

#

And you can't find anyone else who solved it and posted the solution

steel urchin
#

Even worse is someone has the exact same problem, then posts "nevermind I figured it out" with absolutely no explanation

#

And gentoo is bae

analog hamlet
#

Anyone have experience with the abode iota? Thinking of finally ditching my nest secure so my alarm system can play nice with HA

scenic radish
#

I have their gen 1 system. It's reliable. The app is terrible though but I hardly ever use it so I don't care

#

No fee to self-monitor which is nice

hushed basalt
# 
global_parameters:
    use_comma: 0
    precision: 1
    use_hass_icon: 1
    namespace: default
    devices:
      media_player:
        step: 5
#

I have reached full level nerd

#

The use of 0 and 1 instead of yaml boolean bugs me

#

So much

clever mortar
#

The mix of four and two space indents bothers me 😛

scenic radish
#

This isn't Python

silk ingot
#

I would like some inspiration on a lovelace dashboard, do you know another cookbook other than the one on the home-assistant website?

clever mortar
silk ingot
#

yup my bad ^^

midnight adder
#

Hi all

#

looking for a mini-PC to build a proxmox machine on it in order to run Hass.io plus other stuff on it

clever mortar
#

NUC, old laptop, take your pick

boreal pewter
#

Deskmini

#

No NUC

midnight adder
#

yeah @Anon: wanted to ask about deskmini

clever mortar
#

Oh, and ... this has been asked about 18 billion times - worth searching 😉

midnight adder
#

exactly 🙂

boreal pewter
#

Ryzen 5 3400g, some 16GB DDR4 3200Mhz CL16 RAM, some NVMe SSDs and thats it

midnight adder
#

@Anon I read you can't have video HW acceleration with Ryzen and Proxmox

#

is that correct?

boreal pewter
#

🤷

#

I don't do virtualisation

orchid rose
#

is NVMe really worth thinking about?

midnight adder
#

I was going exactly on Deskmini A300 but then read it and....now thinking about A310 (apparently you can have HW acceleration on Intel GPU)

boreal pewter
#

My PC's here have each 2 NVMe and my Deskmini has one

#

They aint expensive either actually

midnight adder
#

to me NVMe are no brainer...not expansive and damn fast

clever mortar
#

There's also the coral USB accelerator to consider, if you're thinking hardware video analysis

midnight adder
#

@clever mortar I already have and using it 🙂

#

a Ryzen is completely an overkill for Hass.IO: I would like to use also for other stuff

#

hence the HW acceleration

#

currently I am running proxmox + Hass.IO on a N4100 with 4Gb ram...CPU is @ 7% but I can't do more than this with 4Gb ram

#

hence...the upgrade

#

I also heard about AMD-NUC rumors...

boreal pewter
#

Yeah but no NUC

midnight adder
#

is there a reason why you say "no NUC"?

orchid rose
#

NUC 4lyfe

boreal pewter
#

Compare a NUC to a Deskmini

#

🤷

midnight adder
#

ah yes @Anon a Deskmini is much better on HW spec

#

completely agree

boreal pewter
#

Price / Performance

#

Modularity

midnight adder
#

which OS are you running?

boreal pewter
#

Debian

orchid rose
#

Modularity can be useful, but more often than not it turns out to be as useful as "future proof"

clear ferry
#

Did someone say overkill in here?

#

My spider sense is tingling

midnight adder
#

@Anon do you use Deskmini for HA only?

#

me 🙂 @clear ferry

#

why?

orchid rose
#

oh no, don't make atxbyea show his

clear ferry
#

I am the master of overkill

boreal pewter
#

Nah about 30 Docker Container by now. Plex server serving my unlimited cloud, Unifi Controller and Monitoring

#

But yeah my load is still less than 0.5

#

Adguard Unbound for Network

midnight adder
#

I am a beginner 🙂

#

@clear ferry please do your show

#

what are you using?

clever mortar
#

He has a small data centre for his 😉

clear ferry
#

Not when you say like that, I can't perform under pressure angryboi

#

🍌

midnight adder
#

ahahah

clear ferry
clever mortar
#

Ah, proper geek cave

midnight adder
#

I guess all this is to improve your guitar skills? 🙂

clear ferry
#

Well, I have a digital guitar that connects via RJ45

#

So let's go with that

midnight adder
#

what is the power consumption of that beast??

clear ferry
#

Not too bad as it is usually powered as needed

#

I power up an down for labs and workshops

midnight adder
#

I see

#

considering I do everything on N4100 with 4Gb of Ram...10watt in total I am surprised you still speak with me 😄

clear ferry
#

The blade enclosure was my main rig with 24/7 power, but I have moved over to the mini itx and the r510 for now

boreal pewter
#

Even worse: There are Pi users here

orchid rose
#

I'm sure the noise only slightly less annoying than atxbyea's guitar playing

midnight adder
#

i was a PI user 😄

clear ferry
#

Nagging my boss for a new DL380 Gen10 now then

midnight adder
#

I can't imagine what i can do with something more than i5/ryzen cpu

#

???

boreal pewter
#

Localhosting not much

#

I also have an external dedicated server

clear ferry
#

Then you should see the 900 core 64TB servers I install

clever mortar
#

My main home server is a Xeon... what is this low end i5 stuff 😛

midnight adder
#

well where I work I use a 10k core cluster but at home....???

#

i just use torrent/watch movies/HA

clear ferry
#

10k core only? I installed a 8k core one in 2007 😛

midnight adder
#

ahah

boreal pewter
#

Torrent + Streaming is already heavy workload

midnight adder
#

ahah really?

clear ferry
#

Just fire up a Java application

#

It'll hog all memory and CPU anyway

boreal pewter
#

Minecraft Server

clear ferry
#

🤢

midnight adder
#

I have a PI with Kodi, a firestick

#

synology nas

#

that's all

orchid rose
#

I run HA, Kodi and some other stuff on a Nuc and it works fine for me

clever mortar
#

Xeon, i7, i5, and a growing number of Pis

boreal pewter
#

I guess the Firetv would bring your Plex Server to 100% CPU 😄

#

Transcoding ❤️

midnight adder
#

BUT I would like to have a bit more room in case I want to run Plex

#

ahah i do not use plex

#

not enough CPU/Ram 💩

boreal pewter
#

Anyway Transcoding will be done by any server actually

#

And I just guess the FireTV will need that, it is just too cheap

midnight adder
#

it is in fact I use Kodi and FireTV only for netflix and amazon prima

boreal pewter
#

Eh ok..

#

Then I understand that your Torrents make no work

midnight adder
#

I think if I stay too much in this chat I will end up buying a 24 core xeon or similar 🙂

clear ferry
#

Do it

orchid rose
#

Only atxbyea is still firmly in the intel camp. AMD is where it's at, amirite?

clear ferry
#

🤢

clever mortar
#

Itanium has a good price performance level these days

clear ferry
#

Just go PA-RISC while you are at it

midnight adder
#

😄

#

why no one mentioned PCIe 4.0 SSD?

#

honestly this is something I would like to have....maybe on AMD NUC?

slim plume
#

Hello all

boreal pewter
#

No NUC

clear ferry
#

Pcie SSD is so five years ago

#

NVMeOF is the new kid on the block

orchid rose
#

I feel ashamed with my sata ssd 😐

slim plume
#

Yeah I have to run a SATA SSD also

boreal pewter
#

Sata SSD's are fine for the rest of the games which have no heavy workload

slim plume
#

I want to upgrade mobo later to do M.2 NVME instead of SATA

#

But my SSD is plenty fast for my needs. I only do gaming occasionally and it performs well enough for me.

boreal pewter
#

As long as you BF5 on WQHD and Ultra with 120+ FPS it's ok

slim plume
#

I have been spending all of my time learning HA and Lovelace this week... so no gaming

orchid rose
#

gaming shouldn't be too reliant on SSD anyway (that's what ram is for). Also playing battlefield, smh...

slim plume
#

^ Plenty of ram in my system lol

boreal pewter
#

64GB are totally enough nowadays

orchid rose
#

hides with 16GB

slim plume
#

I have 64gb also, but it rarely gets used even with multiple VMs open.

boreal pewter
#

@clear ferry is your boy if you have at least 1TB+. But he also serves you with DDR1

clear ferry
#

64GB

slim plume
#

1TB RAM!?

#

Must be server.... lets see screenshot

light trout
slim plume
#

Yup

clear ferry
#

@slim plume a plethora of servers have that these days

#

Something as small as a BL460c can hold 1.5TB

#

Even in Gen8 if memory serves right

#

😛

#

The Gen10 holds 2TB actually ThonkEyes

#

But the old Superdome 9000 from the early 2000s could hold 1TB and 192 PCI-X cardsPartyParrot

slim plume
#

Cool. I haven't been around servers lately.. since I had a Dell PowerEdge in my garage as a teenager

#

We have some IoT and NAS at work but nothing with ram like that, basically a tower server with some decent specs can run the whole plant.

boreal pewter
#

@clear ferry @clever mortar

#

@gdriveusers

clear ferry
#

Nice

unkempt night
#

Hey guys need some advice!

clear ferry
#

I need to sync some stuff between OneDrive and gdrive

unkempt night
#

I’ve got a Nest E Thermostat AND Tado v3+ with wireless kit and 4 TRV valves. Trying to figure out which to use

clever mortar
#

Not Nest 😉

unkempt night
#

No?

clever mortar
#

Do you want to integrate it with HA?

unkempt night
#

Eventually

clever mortar
#

Only one of those can be

unkempt night
#

I know google shut down the api

clever mortar
#

And it's not Nest 😉

unkempt night
#

Question is regardless of HA, which is best

clever mortar
#

There is no best

#

There is best for me

unkempt night
#

Which do you use

clever mortar
#

Neither

#

No smart thermostat here

kind scroll
#

I liked the EcoBee 4.

#

Integrated well with Hassio, and the room sensors showed up individually, with temp and motion.

unkempt night
#

Which is why I’m considering using it

#

All brand new and sealed

steel urchin
#

Our home came with the Honeywell YTH8320ZW1007/U, no complaints here, haven't even touched it once

#

but it doesn't have learning like the nest does

clear ferry
#

yeah, nest devices that require the API are just useless for any integrations now

clever mortar
hushed basalt
#

Hmm do I need any more google home minis

#

I already have four... But they're half price

clear ferry
#

Buy 10

orchid rose
#

need... want...

midnight adder
#

helloo

hushed basalt
#

When I have a house I'll probably have use for more

midnight adder
#

who can help me please

#

im stuck for 2 days

hushed basalt
#

I was going to wall/ceiling mount them with poe and ethernet

#

What's the problem

midnight adder
#

i have installed hassOs on my virtualmachine. When i restart it it stucks

#

i see starting eudev-3.2.8

#

when i go to hassio.local:8123

#

i see nothing

#

someone that can help me on skype

#

??

orchid rose
#

Not the right channel for it. #330990055533576204 will help if that's the way you went with. And try to explain what you did and what the problem was.

unkempt night
#

Hey me again

#

Gonna paste, please note I’m not too bothered about intergrating with HA right at this moment.

So I’ve been eying up the Tado system for a while and finally bought it once it’ll Black Friday deals dropped! I managed to buy Tado V3+ starter kit with wireless extension kit & the quad TRV pack for £270! Bargain!

However... I found a deal this morning I couldn’t pass up on. Nest WiFi kit (router and point), Nest Hub Max, Nest Thermostat E + Heat Link & a Nest Mini for £310. Yes... £310...

To clarify I just got into the Nest/Google Home Smarthome after years of being with Amazon.

I’ve already got 3 Nest Hubs, so the Nest Hub Max will go nicely in my kitchen!

This is where I’m questioning if I should go with the Nest E over Tado. How much of a difference does the TRVs make? I wouldn’t be surprised if Google release some TRVs in 2020. I quite like the look of the Nest E over the Tado! Also not having a subscription for geofencing like Tado has would be nice.

Would love some feedback!

trail crag
steel urchin
#

hoping some switches drop price for cyber monday

steel urchin
#

Anyone have an Android TV? Just got a new tv, and it seems every app has it's own picture settings, but there is an option in the picture settings to apply to "all sources", but it doesn't work as expected. As I change apps, I can visually see the backlight change values. It's neat that you CAN have different video settings per app, but annoying to be forced to tweak for every app.

wet pilot
#

I have one but have not noticed that behavior

#

But then I have a Nvidia shield, not a TV with it built in

steel urchin
#

yeah i'm uncertain where the issue lies.. it is an android menu, but clearly it's just a driver integration to control the panel

hushed basalt
#

It's possible the picture settings are set

#

But the backlight is automatically adjusting based on the different content on the different apps

#

More black or white ratio etc

steel urchin
#

no it's definitely going back to the defaults on new apps

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once i change them for the app, it's persistent for that app

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even if i say apply to all sources

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i can set backlight to lowest on one app, and highest on another app, and put all other values to extremes, and see it change as i switch apps back and forth

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and verified in the picture settings once the app is up

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just odd

clear ferry
clear ferry
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Snow in my hometown

clear ferry
boreal pewter
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I want a second Xiaomi Air Purifier

young sigil
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One not enough for cabbage and beans night?

boreal pewter
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My Pro is in the livingroom and I want a second for bedroom 😛

modest hollow
boreal pewter
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It remembers me at code the frontend was not able to interpret because deps are missing 😄

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Could be some debug setting tho

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Like developer tools in browser

modest hollow
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wont get off, tried so much

hushed basalt
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Bought a surface laptop 3

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And now we wait

boreal pewter
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Well then lets hope it "surfs" you

young sigil
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Not quite as sleek but I got a Dell G7 17 Laptop i7-9750H 16GB 256GB for $1500 AUD

hearty depot
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wekeeend!.. Oh deam its sunday 🙈

hushed basalt
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I bought two google home minis too

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Now I have six google homes

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NSA is happy

boreal pewter
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Now they got you.. on 5.1

hushed basalt
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You can see yourself out

young sigil
scenic radish
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I have seen that. Very interesting

earnest adder
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Just installed hassio on ubuntu and got it working with my Toon. Whoop whoop!

light trout
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shithead, what time is it?

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sudo, what time is it?

clear ferry
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keep the change you filthy animal

scenic radish
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Fun fact: That movie scene was specifically made for Home Alone. It's not from an actual movie.

clear ferry
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Nice, the outdoor Christmas lights I ordered were good quality

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I'll need to order a few hundred more for next year

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And a good power supply

clever mortar
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Few hundred more 🤔

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I can't really say anything, I'm debating whether to go for 60 LED/m or 144 LED/m for some outdoor LED strips, rather than "only" 30/m

clear ferry
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Yeah, there is fifty on each

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I need atleast 400 to cover the front rain drains 😛

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But for5£ per 50led it's not a bad deal

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For fully controllable

young sigil
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When considering the 60/144/30 options make sure you consider not only the power but current too. Those strips are flimsy and can only carry so much and multi-point power injection is a PITA. 12V or 24V for the denser ones makes sense.

clear ferry
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Power injectionis no problem for the outdoor lights for me

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Since I will conceal the cable under the gutters

fallow galleon
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damn att increased my 20gb share plan to 35gb

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and charge me more

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all by itself

boreal pewter
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lol what is a 20GB share plan?

static schooner
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but you're getting more! yeah, that was in the news a while ago, mainly just a price increase without advertising it as such

boreal pewter
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🤷

static schooner
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if that's the confusing part

steel urchin
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man i have saved a shit ton of money this black friday

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so far $8k off retail, which is about 50% off

clear ferry
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I saved zero since I didn't buy anything 😛

boreal pewter
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Yeah if you have everything you need it is just looking at things and realizing it has no real use 😛

clever mortar
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I bought a new Kindle, to replace my 7 year old Paperwhite

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Which was, quite literally, falling apart

clear ferry
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I need to call Amazon

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Because my kindle is registered to an email I no longer have

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So I literally have to call them

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I'm a nightmare to buy Christmas presents to since I've had my own income since I was nine, so I have always bought what I wanted when I felt like it 😂 so black Friday is usually nothing interesting, especially since the offers in Norway are pathetic

steel urchin
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well we are buying everything new this year... couches, beds, tv's, cars, laptops, rugs, clothes, etc.... it's been needed for a while, and with the move we decided it'd be easier than moving stuff THEN trying to upgrade

boreal pewter
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So you saved 8k on about a 100+k ?

steel urchin
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on 16k

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hence 50% savings

boreal pewter
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So you only got half your list done 😄

steel urchin
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oh my list is just beginning lol

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lol i've literally spent over 650k in the last 3 weeks

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and it's nowhere near done

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of course most of that is the home itself

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but no loan this time, so it was a big yikes

clear ferry
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My house has doubled in value since I bought it, so I'm considering selling and moving tooThinkEyes

steel urchin
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yeah man

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that's what we're doing

smoky oxide
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and here I havent found anything interesting this BF 😦

steel urchin
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depending on where you live, that can be very fruitful

clear ferry
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Yeah, I bought it for $230k and I could probably sell for $450 now

steel urchin
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moving 15 minutes from our house and the cost drops 80% 🤣 screw these property taxes!

clear ferry
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And I only have $130k left in loans

steel urchin
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that could be a pretty good move if you're in a good place

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keeping in mind closing costs are a bitch 😛

clear ferry
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I might be changing roles in a few years though, so then I might move North and travel internationally instead, then I can pay 1/4 for a bigger house

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We can sell without help, so zero closing cost

steel urchin
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i did the travel thing for a bit.. it was cool, but i missed the wife and pups too much and had to give it up

clear ferry
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Yeah, it would probably be 85% home and 15% travel

steel urchin
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well you'd likely need to get a lawyer to draft up everything and c.y.a., that can cost about 3-4% of the sale

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don't wanna sell and then someone comes and sues you for a lightbulb burning out

clear ferry
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No, we don't need that w

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We can do it ourselves in Norway

steel urchin
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ah, different culture... in the US you gotta protect yourself because people love to try to screw everyone else over :S

clear ferry
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And we usually don't sue eachother outside the us 😛

steel urchin
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yeah lol

clear ferry
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We use common sense and country laws

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Much more civil

steel urchin
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lol don't get me started please, it's hard enough living here as an open-minded individual

smoky oxide
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and we dont want to see lawyers getting to rich on our bills

steel urchin
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yussss, just scored some optiplex 9020's with i7's

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for dirt cheap!

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$300 for 2 of them lol

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the processor is worth almost that alone!

boreal pewter
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Guess what, the EU is trumpless

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Just an idea to upgrade dirt to some gold

steel urchin
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lol

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i'm too chicken shit to leave the country

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to live, that is...

hushed basalt
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@clear ferry we have stamp duty on houses here

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On purchases

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About $20-25k for a $500k house. Down the drain

clear ferry
ocean mirage
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wouldn't be so much an issue without the extreme commodification of housing

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I think we paid 12k or so on our 460k house but I could be misremebering

tough igloo
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Do you remember that one of the reasons for introducing the GST was to get rid of transfer taxes such as stamp duty 😂

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replacing the previous federal wholesale sales tax system and designed to phase out a number of various State and Territory Government taxes, duties and levies such as banking taxes and stamp duty.

wet pilot
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Lol it's like 3k for 300k here

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Annually

ocean mirage
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We have quarterly rates if you own property, many people would pay around that

tough igloo
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Plus land tax in a lot of jurisdictions if you also rent the property out. That’s also supposed to reduce stamp duty!

hushed basalt
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Ha

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Like how we tell our wives we buy smart home gear so we can automate our lives for more free time

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Six hours of debugging a week later...

wet pilot
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Rofl

ocean mirage
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Eh I got nothing against land tax

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Jack that shit up until it’s not viable to be a landlord

hushed basalt
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Yeah there should be no stamp duty

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Just land tax

clear ferry
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Yeah, we have land and house tax paid quarterly

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But that includes water, trash and other stuff the state does

ocean mirage
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our quarterly rates cover trash, not sure what else

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water is a separate utility

hushed basalt
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Council fees really

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Rates go to the council

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Stamp duty to the state

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Everything else to the feds

ocean mirage
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I guess its muddied here since we have no council, the ACT gov does territory and traditionally council duties

steel urchin
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hah we're still talkin about taxes... shakes fist

hushed basalt
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Unless you're rich

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Then taxes are just something that you pay your accountant to make go away

steel urchin
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damn, no drops on prices for stuff i was watching.. was hoping switches would go on sale for cyber monday

clear ferry
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Mmm -11.5c

steel urchin
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anyone have any input on honeywell vs ge enbrighten zwave dimmer switches?

clear ferry
clear ferry
hushed basalt
clear ferry
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Hey @hushed basalt

hushed basalt
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Xiaomi?

clear ferry
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No, that is a 433 sensor

tame swallow
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Hey guys. Anyone have a Line Voltage heating system they use with HA? I just bought a new house that has 7+ thermostats with electric ceiling cable heat and I'm looking for options on centrally controlling them all. The only one I found so far is the Mysa.

clear ferry
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ooof electric ceiling cable

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I thought that died in the 70s

tame swallow
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It's actually not too shabby. The house is super effecient, which it probably needs to be for this kind of heat. I'm more used to forced air induction than electric heat, so it's been an adjustment.

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I will definitely miss my central air from my last house, though, haha

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I could probably do with only 6. They claim 26% savings. Even if I could hit 20%, that's about $15/wk, which I would see my return of investment within a year.

tender plaza
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I don't see how they can give you any savings at all

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electric heater is just that, electric, very constant usage per heat produced

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only savings can be done via logic to turn off heat when you don't need heat

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so the 20% savings is saying, your lazy and need me

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now a heatpump based water heater, that is, if you don't live somewhere that is cold most of the time, or if you have a tempature stable basement to put it in

clear ferry
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Norway is probably 70-80% heat pumps, because we have well isolated houses that require extra heating in winter (up to -40c) and cooling in summer (up to 35c)

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but there used to be a lot of different solutions in the past, electric heating is phased more and more out

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and oil has been dead for 15 years

tender plaza
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ya, here in the usa, atleast northeast, it was all oil/gas heat to boilers (or coal if people still had that)

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but if they where cheap, it was electric instead

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hard to use a heatpump if your avg temps are at or under -10c

clear ferry
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no not really, just get a proper heatpump

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we heat with heatpump only from +15 to -20

tender plaza
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it is, you would get more heat from electric heaters

clear ferry
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then we start supplementing with wood at -20

tender plaza
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I used to design and build gas/oil/electric/heatpump systems at my last job

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2 or 3 stage heating

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normally at -10c heatpumps are close to 0 output, at about 5-10c we switch from heatpump to gas/oil due to cost savings tradeoff

clear ferry
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we have no issues heating here

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my 15 year old one struggles at lower temps though, but new one is fine

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heat roughly 100m2 with that single pump to 22-23 when it is -20 outside

tender plaza
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you sure that is purely, and not with the electric backup heaters it kicks in

clear ferry
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there is no electric heating in mine as far as I know

tender plaza
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odd, would be a european thing then

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atleast here in the usa, they almost always have electric backup heat

clear ferry
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never heard of

tender plaza
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due to defrost cycle and if it gets too cold for the heatpump alone

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use a 2heat thermostat (emerganc heat mode)

clear ferry
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it just closes itself on defrost for a few minutes

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then returns to normal operation

tender plaza
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here when a unit kicks into defrost it powers the w wire, for the electric backup heat

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so it's not blowing cold A/C air inside the house

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and the thermostat if the temp drops 2c lower than setpoint, it also turns on the w wire for electric heat

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where 1c below setpoint turns on the heatpump alone

tame swallow
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@tender plaza, I don’t agree with the “you’re lazy” argument. Imagine needing to manually adjust 7 thermostats in your house every single time you leave for work, then manually adjusting them again when you come home, ever single day.

clear ferry
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no idea, the current one I have is a Samsung Smart Home Exclusive 12

tender plaza
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@tame swallow oh, I didn't say it was simple

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but at that level, I wouldn't be adjusting all of them anyways, just the room I was in

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currently I only adjust the bedroom, and very rarely any others

tame swallow
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Having thermostats that put more control over the house could easily make for a huge improvement in savings, especially with having kids.

tender plaza
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if you work outside the house, and have dynamic schedules yes

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work at home, heh, alot more iffy

tame swallow
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Yeah I’m not at home most of the day, so I could easily drop the temp in the house down. An all electric heated house makes for an expensive electric bill, lol

clear ferry
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I do a variety of them, some weeks it's 90% home and 10% out, some weeks it is 90% out and 10% home

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🤣

tender plaza
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my issue has always been the wife

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she refuses to adjust it

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all the smart things are being designed to turn stuff off as she leaves

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no need for the a/c to be running at 68f when she isn't here

clear ferry
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I should do some automations with the upstairs AC

tender plaza
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now, she does bitch and turns off all lights though, and tells the kids they are burning electricity with their light

clear ferry
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but the wife studies from home, so she is usually upstairs if I'm not there

tender plaza
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the lights that if left on all month is <$2

tame swallow
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Exactly my issue, wife and 2 kids that leave the whole house on. Setup presence detection and let the house shut itself off when it doesn't see anyone at home.

tender plaza
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my upstairs I just leave off, perm

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I'll automate the upstairs, just so someone doesn't leave it on, but it's the guest suite

tame swallow
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I wish there were more options for line voltage thermostats, though. The Mysa looks nice, but being the only player in the market makes me nervous.

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The only other one I found that compares is the Maestro: https://www.stelpro.com/en-US/maestro

Maestro | Stelpro

Orchestrate your comfort Maestro, our most advanced smart thermostat to date, is designed to give you full control over your comfort. Thanks to its features and user-friendly mobile interface, you can now manage and personalize your home's heating easily and save on your elec...

tender plaza
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for an all in one solution

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half the time here, it's a linevoltage relay, and controlled by hmm, been a long time

tame swallow
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I have a 2nd Gen Nest Thermostat that I found ways to hook it up with a relay, but I'd rather have something built for 120V natively.