the-water-cooler

[scenic radish]

yep. like some kind of poor person

WAF will soon be at play

my fiancee does like my home assistant/smart home setup though

she drew the line at smart blinds though lmao

"that's too much"

you're too much andy. you're too much

[unreal orbit]

My wife also is skeptical about me wanting to do the curtains

until our room in Vegas had them

[scenic radish]

lol

maybe she just doesn't want to see me crying if i can't get the smart blinds to work

[light trout]

https://github.com/ludeeus/ROOT/blob/master/homeassistant/confusing_ha_terms.md @scenic radish

[scenic radish]

there was a lot of frustration/almost tears when i couldn't get ESPhome to flash a smart plug with the hassio addon. then i learned there's a bug with the addon.

i ended up just using the command line tool anyway

@light trout love it

[midnight adder]

i wasted hours yesterday on a corrupt memory card then a gpio jumper pin that was broken

[unreal orbit]

ESPHome has too much under the hood magic for my liking. I flash tasmota because it's more my speed

[scenic radish]

most of the time i'm not even mad when i can't get something with home assistant to work, i'm just sad

yeah i might have to look into tasmota

i do like that esphome devices are discovered automatically though

[unreal orbit]

You can turn on discovery for tasmota devices too. I don't like discovery in any aspect though

[scenic radish]

oh interesting

[unreal orbit]

I prefer to know exactly how and why something works. Discovery has too much behind the scenes goings on

Especially when things go wrong...

[scenic radish]

fair enough

yeah that's a good point

[clear ferry]

@unreal orbit recommend looking at espixelstick for lighting if you haven't already

I love it, and need to start looking at programming lights soon

With xlights that is

[scenic radish]

what would you recommend for me

i feel left out

you're gonna make me cry like esphome

[unreal orbit]

I'm probably going to go with an ethernet-based solution when I get around to it. I'm done with wifi problems.

Just finished getting my garage door hardwired into my network. That was a pretty major step forward in my setup

[clear ferry]

@scenic radish Lebanese cuisine

@unreal orbit wireless 4 lyfe

[unreal orbit]

Wireless is fine until it isn't

[clear ferry]

You are just broken down because you live in a wireless purgatory

[unreal orbit]

Pretty much 🤷

zwave & ethernet 4 lyfe

[scenic radish]

@clear ferry Mediterranean food is my favorite, does that count

[clear ferry]

Almost

[scenic radish]

damn

@unreal orbit z-wave Zigbee and Ethernet

FTFY

[unreal orbit]

Might as well use wifi if you're using zigbee

[orchid rose]

Depends on the router too, right? Not sure how many devices proper ones can handle but the modem/router that I got from the ISP started committing seppuku after a dozen connected wifi devices

[unreal orbit]

That can be a factor. In my case it's just the 2.4ghz band in my neighborhood that's boned

[scenic radish]

oh that's right you were telling me about 2.4 in your area

that's crazy

[unreal orbit]

Yeah, it's a bummer. I've minimized the issue quite a bit. I only get one or two disconnects a day out of all my switches now.

[scenic radish]

i just like how much cheaper zigbee stuff is than z-wave lol

[unreal orbit]

You get what you pay for 🤷

[scenic radish]

ehh the smartthings hardware seems nice

[unreal orbit]

I could count the number of times I've had issues with my zwave devices on one hand

[scenic radish]

yeah i guess we'll see how my sensors are. a little bummed that the changes to ZHA made it seemingly impossible to tap into when a sensor becomes unavailable though...

i had an automation based on that

[orchid rose]

I've only had problems with my xiaomi stuff (zigbee) once and that was when there was a communication issue between my router and their hub. Something to do with multicast. The sensors/buttons themselves have been rock solid for me

[hearty depot]

Comcast ftw?

[scenic radish]

problem solved

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/bugaeaji5cv31.png

[scenic radish]

roses are red, violets are blue
you hate yaml; it hates you too

[hushed basalt]

Yaml is life

Now I have a 4K tv

Does that mean I have to download everything in 4K too

[wet pilot]

things will get up-scaled some

if you do go download, use h265 otherwise the storage cost will make you cry

[hushed basalt]

I was being sarcastic :p

Can't you hear it! :D

I work in film and television

Some of our camera codecs are in the 4 digit mbit/s range!

[wet pilot]

lol

[hushed basalt]

3424x2202 12-bit RAW 2262 Mbps

[clear ferry]

Holy hell batman

Like when I tell friends I work with 64TB memory servers

They cry in desktop

[hushed basalt]

I think it's about 1 TB/hr

For 25 fps

You could just be like Dell

When their new website doesn't work, just throw more hardware at it!

And when it still doesn't work, hire a consultant!

[wet pilot]

rofl

[hushed basalt]

I must say though

This LG tv OS is nice

I think I'll repurpose my ATV4K

[ocean mirage]

Oh that good huh

Similar codec support?

[hushed basalt]

Yeah it's must quicker to get around in than ATV

I haven't pushed the codecs yet though

[ocean mirage]

thats where I would possibly be concerned

[hushed basalt]

Only watched one show last night

[ocean mirage]

but I have no real idea of those TVs

[hushed basalt]

But I think LG has quite good support with Plex

Plus I can stream spotify to it, as well as netflix, youtube etc control from my phone

[ocean mirage]

ah yeah nice

[hushed basalt]

And it's controllable from homeassistant, which I haven't set up yet

[wet pilot]

i want a tv that has the best panel without any smart shit

[hushed basalt]

I thought that too

[wet pilot]

they're all bad and should feel bad

[hushed basalt]

But it's nice when it works

[wet pilot]

sammy sucks at software

[hushed basalt]

Yarp

The LG is better than my ATV interface wise though

If I pick up the remote and point towards the bottom of the screen it brings up tabs for netflix, plex, etc

So I can jump straight from app to app with one true click

It also has an IR blaster in the TV

So it controls my soundbar

It would work over HDMI too if I was using ARC but I'm using toslink

[wet pilot]

toslink is fine until you need over 6ch

[hushed basalt]

Yeah I'm just a soundbar user =3

I have to use toslink for my wife's hearint aid tx anyways

[hushed basalt]

ARC would be nice but every TV can't put out sound over ARC and something else at the same time :(

[rough zenith]

is it possible to flash a broadlink with a new firmware with this? https://github.com/mdhiggins/ESP8266-HTTP-IR-Blaster and https://github.com/crankyoldgit/IRremoteESP8266. i'd love to try if it is.

[hushed basalt]

I would just use smartIR

No flashing required

Haven't we already had this conversation ;)

[rough zenith]

yeah, we did. but i just feel insecure of using foreign's cloud server after reading some forums. maybe i could control it using MQTT like Tasmota or using my own server?

i know it's possible to control it using MQTT but i'm just looking at other options first.

[midnight adder]

There's no need to allow data to be sent to foreign cloud servers. Broadlink IR works fine with HA if disconnected from internet (Linux based kernel routers can block devices in Forward chain to keep them on lan access only; in some Asus routers this can be accessed through GUI)

[hushed basalt]

Yeah just block it in your router

Problem solvered

When you have been around the block a few times like @clear ferry you'll learn that time is valuable

I wouldn't spend a weekend trying to get "smart IR" working when there's already an easy, secure, open source method available.

And spend your time learning hard things that will help you acheive your own goals instead

[clear ferry]

Are you calling me a prostitute?

[hushed basalt]

No just old

Ancient

Decrepit

Historic

[clear ferry]

You are confusing me with someone who is over the age of 24!

[hushed basalt]

been around the block

A person who has learned from relevant experiences in the world
- Street smarts
- wisdom
- real-world experience
- seen a thing or two

[clear ferry]

But yes, firewall rules are everything your need

[hushed basalt]

If you're not 19 you're 90

[clear ferry]

🔥

👴

[hushed basalt]

Go to a primary school and ask them if you're old

[clear ferry]

People called me old already when I was in primary school 😂

[rough zenith]

thanks! i didn't know that is possible. will this method works for other device as well (other than broadlink)?

[midnight adder]

It depends if the device is enabled to have local controls (for instance Google Chromecast/Home/Nest won't function as they require cloud connection)

But devices like Philips Hue Bridge, Xiaomi Yeelight, Xiaomi Gateway (although I would recommend completely replacing Xiaomi Gateway with zigbee2mqtt or deCONZ) work in HA without internet access

[clear ferry]

Easy way to find out

Block it

Does it still work? Great

[rough zenith]

@midnight adder i see. that would help me decide what to get in the future then. thank you to you and @hushed basalt
@clear ferry yeah, didn't thought of that. will keep that in mind. thanks!

[clear ferry]

https://open.spotify.com/album/5H6GJkjV9KsnCn4g0nWzSF?si=tJ1snuAeQrSzx_XrzmWIaQ

[hushed basalt]

@rough zenith I would read "So good they can't ignore you" by Cal Newport

That should put you on the right track for enjoyment and $$$

[autumn scarab]

love the username @hushed basalt - I spent a lot of time in telco years ago... and now as an IT guy I also take care of the phone system for six small companies... including a small call center. Used to do that at large scale, but it's more fun for a small place. 🙂

[strange vapor]

https://blog.lewys.eu/?p=802

[hushed basalt]

I wonder what the usff optiplex is for

i need a router. Tomato is good but it ain't pfsense

[strange vapor]

From looking at other posts on the blog, it's likely it's used for Home Assistant duties.

[hushed basalt]

To be honest it's better than a pi

I have a bunch of sff optiplexes

A usff one can probably be had as the same price as a rpi 4

And it'll have a real x86 i5 and 4-8GB of ram and real gigabit PCI nucs and a real 128gb+ ssd

[pure vine]

@wet pilot Not even 6 channels, TosLink cant transmit dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio as it doesnt have ennough bandwidth

[wary mica]

morning y'all

[midnight adder]

Hello, i have a question. What is the best Smart Speaker to integrate in HA? My intention is to use as a media player, spotify and also text-to-speech .

[hushed basalt]

Urgh

Plex on LG is crap

Buffering and transcoding

Shame.

[midnight adder]

ok....

[hearty depot]

alexa is easy for tts _ also prittey useful with amazon music
but rest - meh

[midnight adder]

But no spotify ?

[hearty depot]

dont have spotyfy so cant say

but should be easy over the custom skill

[midnight adder]

ok thank you

[hushed basalt]

Google is good

[scenic radish]

@midnight adder my google homes work well

[hushed basalt]

It messes up our multiple Spotify accounts though

[midnight adder]

@scenic radish also for TTS , spotify and general media player ?

[scenic radish]

haven't used spotify but yes for the other two

[midnight adder]

allright

and the google hub ? is it the same ?

i am guessing yes

[scenic radish]

yeah they are all cast-enabled devices

the google home/google nest home lineup

[midnight adder]

oke cool

and any idea of the sound quality between google home and google nest hub ?

[scenic radish]

the google home has much better sound quality than the google nest hub, but the google nest hub max is probably better. haven't used that one

[midnight adder]

oke thank you for the info !

[scenic radish]

👌

[hushed basalt]

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/10/29/20937908/ikea-smart-button-tradfri-shortcut-home-app-price-leak

The scene concept is a bit redundant for us

But I'm interested in the quality and price of the button itself

[scenic radish]

yeah i'm gonna keep an eye on that too

i do have two smartthings buttons ($15 each) that work well though

[hearty depot]

around 7 xiaomi buttons and 15 amazon dash

[scenic radish]

damn son

[hearty depot]

further more around 10 hue remotes

[unreal orbit]

RF buttons are still the cheapest at ~$3 😉

[hearty depot]

just got an RF-Bridge with EspHome

[hushed basalt]

Are they reliable

I want more buttons but they're still nearly $20 each

[hearty depot]

wich

[hushed basalt]

Xiaomi

[hearty depot]

Never had a problem with zigbee2mqtt - you can program up to 5 presses and a long hold

[unreal orbit]

RF buttons are very reliable. There's no connection to anything so they're very stable

[scenic radish]

well...

[unreal orbit]

Once you get a good bridge setup (I recommend making one with an ethernet connection)

[oak patio]

okay, i dont know if i was dreaming or what...but i could have sworn that in the Google Event last week they said that an DIY/Home Automation Enthusiast WWGA program was coming...am I on something?

found it!

https://blog.google/products/google-nest/works-with-nest/

We’ll also invite smart home developer enthusiasts to participate in our Device Access for Individuals sandbox, allowing you to directly control your own Nest devices for your private integrations and automations.

here's the sign up for more info site https://developers.google.com/nest/device-access

Device Access for Commercial use (app developers, device manufacturers, and platforms) will be available in early 2020 to qualified partners. The Individual Device Access sandbox will open in late 2020. We will email you when the program you're interested in is available, or you can check our Device Access website for updates.

So we have to wait a year...or keep holding on to WWN integration until then.

[brave panther]

Pretty cool. That, coming from someone who gave a lot of people a mild heart attack a few months ago when they announced the end of their "Works with Nest" program 🙂

I think they're trying to get a rein on things, perhaps in an effort to control the quality of things that people put out? Or so it feels. Maybe to help protect their customers.

[oak patio]

Maaaaaybe NobuCasa can become a partner?

[hearty depot]

Home Automation Enthusiast mhmmm google

[strange vapor]

Who knows, you might be able to get Fitbit data the same way soon!

[brave panther]

I'd LOVE to get Garmin Connect data.

But I've tried, they want a bunch of paperwork, money, and it's not so straightforward to make your own app..

They don't just have an API like some; you have to integrate it with customers who download the app, then you can collect the data, but you have to have a privacy policy, etc etc, and it's just a lot of work for something that only I would consume (for my own case, that is) ... but yeah, perhaps Nabu Casa would do something like they did with Alexa, how they're being the middleman per se.

[strange vapor]

@brave panther That's a lot more doable now that they've dropped the stupid $5000 sign up fee

They're slowly working it into something usable.

[wary mica]

@scenic radish there's electrolytes in sleep?!

[scenic radish]

in the latest human update, yes

[wary mica]

are you running beta human_os?

[scenic radish]

dev actually

[wary mica]

scratches neck y'all got any of dem dev invites?

[scenic radish]

real glitchy at times

[brave panther]

So @strange vapor to be fair, that's amazing. Their API has actually come quite a long way too, looking at it... https://developer.garmin.com/connect-iq/api-docs/ ... I might fiddle with it one of these days.

Seems pretty easy to get the SDK loaded into Eclipse too, and the language isn't foreign.

[clear ferry]

Wir haben spaz!

[scenic radish]

makit anay na lang kita

[strange vapor]

@brave panther Connect-IQ is more for apps on the garmin devices as far as I know. For integrations with HA, the Health API is probably more apt..

[brave panther]

Yeah the more I look, the less I see. I was beginning to think the same.

The Health API was what I requested access to a couple years ago, and got shot down because I don't have an official privacy policy etc..

[strange vapor]

Wow...

[brave panther]

Wow

[strange vapor]

Annoying that they don't have the ability for a normal user to request a token that can be used to access just their data. It's the usual way to bypass a lot of the privacy issues for an individual's data

[clear ferry]

I thought the fires were in the wine District

Are the DC's running on wine?

[brave panther]

Probably fireball whiskey.

[clear ferry]

🤢

[scenic radish]

@unreal orbit @light trout now i really want a bratwurst

i fear if i simply said "brat" people might not know what i'm talking about

[unreal orbit]

I just had some last week. They were delicious 🤤

[scenic radish]

so good

problem is i'm being more careful with what i eat. my BMI puts me in the overweight category which is hilarious because i'm 185 lb, 6' 0" (84 kg, 183 cm)

but BMI doesn't take in to account muscle mass so it's a load of shit

[unreal orbit]

Brats are good for you though 🙂

[scenic radish]

lots of saturated fat, that's really the only issue

[brave panther]

I feel your pain. I'm 6'2" and goal weight 180 but everyone gives me the side eye like "oh you'll be too thin at that weight" ... like man, you do realize i'm not far from that, right now, right?

[scenic radish]

people really just need to mind their business

[brave panther]

of course, when you used to weigh 420, 180 is like sticks and bones

[scenic radish]

that's super annoying

about what they said i mean

[brave panther]

yeah 🙂

[scenic radish]

well gratz on the weight loss

[brave panther]

i appreciate the encouragement from people, so i suppose they have the right to share their opinion too

[unreal orbit]

I watch what I eat. It goes from my hand to my mouth, tbh watching it is not too exciting

[scenic radish]

well yeah positive feedback is welcome

[brave panther]

😄 the "see food diet"

[scenic radish]

negative comments and stupid questions

not so much

[brave panther]

not in shape? round is a shape.. right guys?

[unreal orbit]

Luckily my metabolism hasn't caught up with me yet. Still living that eat what I want life

[scenic radish]

right? anyone?

[brave panther]

to be honest, most people that were heavy early in life will remain so (and have a tendency to gain weight faster) and the same is true for the thin.

there's studies on this, that by something like age 23 you're pretty much, for the most part, about the weight you'll tend to always be

has to do with fat cell division and how hard it is to shrink them, and that you can't really lose the cells, they just get smaller

[unreal orbit]

I can live with being 160lbs forever 👍

[brave panther]

hey, enjoy it. i LOVE being able to do stuff like roller coasters and bicycling and just ... things in general ... that were harder or impossible to do when i was larger.

running cat5 cables doesn't cause me to break out in a pool of sweat now, either 😄

[unreal orbit]

Congrats on losing the weight 🎉 I don't know the struggle, but I doubt I could do it if I were in that position

[scenic radish]

yeah that's awesome, it's a great accomplishment

also i still sweat a ton at 185 lol

[brave panther]

lots of small goals. "break 350" "break 300" etc etc ... look up and you're tiny.

[scenic radish]

and my thyroid is fine so not sure what the deal is

[brave panther]

yeah i still sweat when exercising which is annoying but i chalk that up to glands. oh well, whatever keeps me cool

[scenic radish]

well that's normal

[unreal orbit]

I think my weight has a lot to do with the way I eat everyday. I tend to not eat anything until after 4PM

[scenic radish]

i just get warm easily. anything above 75 and i'm uncomfortable unless the dew point is low

eh the time of day thing is a myth

generally it's about calories in vs calories used

[brave panther]

save money on warming the house in winter.. that plus server rack = cheap!

[unreal orbit]

Well less about the time and more about the quantity. Not eating anything until late limits how much I can eat before it's time for bed

[scenic radish]

if only we could train our bodies to not store excess calories

oh i see what you mean @unreal orbit

[unreal orbit]

We'll get there eventually

[scenic radish]

i misunderstood what you said

[brave panther]

yeah that's what i went by. aimed to hit 10,000 steps a day, and average a 1000 calorie per day (or more) deficit. nothing too uncomfortable, but within reason. at 1000 kcal/day deficit, that's 2 lbs a week.

[scenic radish]

wow

that is a huge deficit

[brave panther]

like i said, lots of small things. cutting out sodas, doing lots of exercise, and just watching what i ate.

[scenic radish]

easy to do though with the proper foods. high fiber and water content, and foods with lots of protein

and small changes like you said too

[unreal orbit]

I gave up soda as a child, so that is probably a major factor for me as well

[brave panther]

well.. when you do exercise like cycling and walking and end up burning 4000 or more calories a day, plus your BMR of about 2000, eating 5000 a day is a LOT. so it's quite easy to get 1000 a day deficit.

[scenic radish]

fat has 9 calories per gram and is not satiating. carbs/protein are 4 cal/gram

and protein is more satiating

@brave panther ah yeah, that's a good point

[unreal orbit]

but carbs are delicious

[scenic radish]

true lol

[brave panther]

jelly beans are 4 calories each 😦

[scenic radish]

the whole "fat is the enemy" thing is dumb though

unsaturated fats are good and saturated are too to a limited extent

trans fats though... no bueno

but tic tacs are 0 cal each

jk that's because of <0.5 cal lol

[unreal orbit]

I prefer gender fluid fats

[scenic radish]

lmao

it's CURRENT YEAR

[brave panther]

yeah. i never bought the "low fat" thing, it was all CICO (calories in, calories out), exercise, water, you know - the stuff your doctor tells you 🙂

[scenic radish]

yup

plus, a lot of low fat and fat free foods have more sugar added

[unreal orbit]

everything in moderation. everything

[brave panther]

... wait til the liberals find out that computers are programmed in binary ...

speaking of which, there was a guy who was working on a non-binary operating system 😐

[scenic radish]

that literally sounds like another computer joke

computer/societal joke

i can't tell if you're joking

[unreal orbit]

ternary computers have been around for a while

[scenic radish]

well that's a $5 word right there

[unreal orbit]

aka trinary

[scenic radish]

or whatever the equivalent is in your local currencies

[brave panther]

ternaies are amazing.

[scenic radish]

and how the fuck does that exactly work anyway

[brave panther]

shame Python shits on them

[scenic radish]

on, off, and on-off??????

schrodinger's state?????

[unreal orbit]

-1, 0, 1

[scenic radish]

but like... what does that mean

it's starting to even look like a triple rainbow!

[light trout]

yes

[scenic radish]

/r/inclusiveor

[light trout]

to beer or not to beer?
not 2 beer
4 beer?
4 beer!

[unreal orbit]

I'm not a rocket surgeon, I don't have all the answers 🤷

[scenic radish]

you don't?

we need tinkerer here, he always has the answer sometimes

[unreal orbit]

99% of the time he has the answer every time

[light trout]

That account is operated by bots

[scenic radish]

the math checks out

everyone on discord is a bot except you.

[brave panther]

Javasript (elegance): var str = some_boolean ? "is_true" : "is_false";
Java (not far from the tree): String str = some_boolean ? "is_true" : "is_false";
PHP (we got you bro): $str = some_boolean ? "is_true" : "is false";
Python (FUUUUUU): str = "is_true" if some_boolean else "is_false"

Python, why 😐

[light trout]

IMO everyone else is just wrong

but that check is also wrong

[scenic radish]

i don't even know what i'm looking at here

[brave panther]

all comes down to the parsing. they all work properly, provided some_boolean is a boolean.

[light trout]

str = f"is_{bool(some_boolean)}"

[brave panther]

fancy dick :p

[strange vapor]

Em.... http://book.pythontips.com/en/latest/ternary_operators.html

Python does do Ternary, always has....

Just in a more readable format without the ? and :

😄

[unreal orbit]

Ternary logic is in lots of things. Ternary circuits are a different story

Brief research indicates ternary computing states are no power, power, negative power

but I won't pretend to know how that would work in a real world circuit. My logic always falls back to binary in some capacity

[brave panther]

yeah python 3 has some real niceties. print f"Hello {first_name} {last_name}" .. i used to hate having to change code and count my indexes for the old print...
print "Hello %s %s" % (first_name, last_name) ... dear god, when you wanted to move something around

[light trout]

"no power" == @ work
"negative power" == just got home from work
"power" == Should be sleeping

@brave panther That was added in py3.6

print f".. is py2
print(f"... for py3

[strange vapor]

Don't mention python2!! Have a nice large codebase which was fixed up for Python 3. Main issue we had were a few tests. Dealing with other teams who are stuck on Python 2 and don't want to update is, em, fun!

We have a system that depends on Python 2.4 😦

[light trout]

Runs on XP too?

[strange vapor]

Centos 6, almost as bad. Luckily not anywhere near public facing!

Hell, at this point locked down so it can be hit from a small set of hosts.

[light trout]

You should have an internal hacktoberfest to get it up to speed 😄

[strange vapor]

They're investigating a third party option to replace it and buy their way out. That hasn't been going well.

[unreal orbit]

We still run a few critical systems in BASIC 🙂

[brave panther]

I wish we could all just get on the same version. I mean, sheesh...

• A fresh install of CentOS 7.7 gives you Python 2.7.5, and adding Red Hat Software Collection Library) gives you 3.6.8
• A fresh Debian Buster install gives you 2.7.16, and you can install python3 which gives you 3.7.3

Why is it so hard? Ugh...

[strange vapor]

@unreal orbit I know of a woman who's the primary maintainer of a large FORTRAN codebase for a financial institution. They can't get anyone in to take over, and she wants to retire.

[unreal orbit]

Waiting until a system literally implodes before replacing it, always a good strategy 👍

[strange vapor]

Everytime she has tried to just quit they've just thrown more money at her till she says yes, but I get the feeling that's not going to work anymore and then their fucked.

As she puts it, the bus factor is not good on that system!

[brave panther]

my last job, i worked for a contractor to General Electric, we still had systems running Win NT 4 .. from late 90s... because one of their machining plants had control software that only worked on that machine.

[strange vapor]

A friend of mine is a VP Of Software Development in BoA in Dublin. They're rewritting a large legacy system in Python.

The acceptance testing is insane, and means they have to do crazy things like write C modules for doing maths in a certain way in Python so that the rounding works the same as it does on the system it's replacing.

ie, they replay the data in, and the same report better come out, down to the last thousand of a cent!!!!

[unreal orbit]

BoA in Dublin... I don't know why I find that so amusing

[strange vapor]

They have a massive office here.

The fun part is that their pay scale is based entirely on title. So the software dev side is full of Vice Presidents so they could pay what the market was demanding. They also dropped the dress code for the coders 😄

[brave panther]

thousandths of a cent add up when you're doing billions of transactions

Office Space 😉

[strange vapor]

Exactly, and they've found one case where two "identical" mainframes were doing the rounding slightly differently, and part of the acceptance testing includes accounting for that :/

[brave panther]

so basically, they're just "porting" the code so it works exactly the same.

that's not so bad, if you're familiar with both languages... unfortunately sometimes you encounter oddities, like how some languages don't like to work the same with the same (or similar) code so it takes longer 🙂
(don't get me started on Java HashMap and oh my god iterators...)

[scenic radish]

@unreal orbit well running the system in BASIC probably makes debugging easier lol

"oh i typed goto instead of go to. fixed"

as long as you're not typing on a TI calculator that is

[brave panther]

10. print "Hello world"
11. goto 10

everyone's first program? 🙂

[strange vapor]

@brave panther That' s the initial goal, get everything in a more modern language, and get a shitload of testing around it for acceptance. Then start building on it for the feature backlog that the old systems just can't handle.

[brave panther]

I used to LOVE programming my TI-83 to do goofy shit like calculate stuff for me (y=mx+b style etc)

[scenic radish]

i made a "game" that does nothing other than count up forever until you hit ENTER

i have the high score

[brave panther]

definitely spent more cumulative time programming it to give me the answer to things, than i saved cumulatively by not doing it by hand

[scenic radish]

i made tons of programs

our teachers let us use programs on tests as long as we made them ourselves

i did in fact make them myself but i'm not sure how they'd verify that lol

i used the TI emulator on a computer so that i didn't kill my fingers on the calculator

to create the programs. then transferred them to the calc

[brave panther]

same. they told us if we knew the formulas well enough to write a program that gave the right answer, we could do that

[scenic radish]

ok hang on

[brave panther]

lol yes, that emulator was the bomb

[scenic radish]

did we have the same teachers

exact wording

[brave panther]

idk, i'm in USA-KY

[scenic radish]

ah, USA - chicago

nvm

damn

[clear ferry]

Seems like I'll be going to Georgia instead of Texas in January

Oh lawd, pass me some coke

[scenic radish]

cocaine?

[wet pilot]

the Coke museum is kinda cool in atlanta

[scenic radish]

fresh out, sorry

[clear ferry]

https://youtu.be/fzdlDtZ8bQo

[wet pilot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/doozfx/psa_how_to_spot_suspicious_halloween_treats/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

[scenic radish]

Something on /r/funny that's actually funny. How about that

[unreal orbit]

What are they implying about Mounds? I feel personally attacked.

[tender timber]

Hello everyone 🙂

[scenic radish]

Alright, who wants to tell him the truth about "Hassio in docker" https://community.home-assistant.io/t/ive-somehow-lost-hass-io-but-home-assistant-is-still-working-fine-help/145220

[wet pilot]

lol

[scenic radish]

I would actually offer advice if it was anything other than "uninstall and reinstall home assistant"

[wet pilot]

lol i don't go to the forums

[scenic radish]

Although I have no clue if there's actually another solution

I'm probably 50/50 between here and the forum

[hushed basalt]

How do I install hassio on docker

That seems like a good thing

I must have its, my precious

Stupid fat hobbitsses

[scenic radish]

Lol

[clear ferry]

BOOOOST

[clever mortar]

🚀

[ocean mirage]

Weird choice of server to boost tbh. Like aren’t most of the benefits pretty useless here?

[rigid quiver]

You now get 2 boots with nitro, the other server i boost is at the top level already.

[ocean mirage]

2 boosts eh, that’s a good change

Cause it’s a fucking lot of money to pay for emojis

[hushed basalt]

What is boost

[rigid quiver]

https://discordapp.com/nitro

It is part of discord Nitro, Depending on the number of boosts a server gets more special features.

[clever mortar]

But, not part of Nitro Classic...

[clear ferry]

Nitro Classic 4 lyfe

I still get the emojis 🤣

[clever mortar]

[ocean mirage]

Oh yeah totally worth it atxbyea

[clear ferry]

I lolled

I love IT stuff explained in a human way

[clever mortar]

If you can't explain something so that somebody outside the field can understand, you don't know it well enough

Or you're not Randall Munroe...

[clear ferry]

Like this one we have

Supported, known to work               -> warm fuzzies all around
Supported, not known to not work   -> an HPite may be in trouble
Supported, known to not work       -> an HPite is in trouble
Unsupported, known to work          -> lucky today, unlucky tomorrow?
Unsupported, not known to not work -> there but for the grace of Turing
Unsupported, known to not work                 -> no, it was not deliberate ;-)

[clever mortar]

🤣

[low harness]

I've seen a similar list somewhere that ended with "3xx: F**k off!, 4xx: F**k you!, 5xx: F**k!"

TIL discord doesn't handle the global flag on substitution regexes.

[clear ferry]

🤣

[low harness]

So typing s/foo/bar will replace the first occurrence of foo in your last message with bar, but s/foo/bar/g won't replace all of them.

As seen here/g and x.

👎

Also doesn't work with a capital s, obviously. Free tip for mobile users.

[ocean mirage]

Yeah that was the first thing I tried when I found out that discord did that

[clear ferry]

What are good hotels in karlskrona @low harness ? 🤣

[low harness]

Hmm... let's see... out of all the hotels I stayed in in the place where my house and own bed are...

[ocean mirage]

lol

I love that question

[low harness]

Scandic is nice, actually. I stayed there for my wedding night.

[ocean mirage]

what about the motels you take your special friends to

[clear ferry]

bow wow wow sax sounds

🎷

[low harness]

And so did almost all the guests.

But I heard Conrad is good too. And they have appartments if you are staying for long.

[clear ferry]

it is two minutes from the customer too

so should be nice

both hotels

[low harness]

Anywhere in central Karlskrona is two minutes from anywhere.

[clear ferry]

🤣

the asshole of sweden?

[low harness]

Except you'll have headwind the entire way. Both directions.

Seriously. It's a windy place. Dress appropriately.

[clear ferry]

In norway we usually call something that is perfectly placed "in the middle of the puddle of butter" or "in the middle of the navel", we call Narvik "in the middle of the navel-lint" so karlskrona is probably similarly placed

[low harness]

We say "Mitt i smeten" - in the middle of the batter.

[clear ferry]

https://open.spotify.com/album/2qEKurNaC1oI7M7dwhFMne?si=dguXypIYTn2YMyc484e7Tw

[hearty depot]

@clear ferry an HPite ?

[clear ferry]

A person working at HP

[clever mortar]

Hockeypucks 😛

[low harness]

I find this rather fascinating. The bottom three lines are temperature outdoors. Anyone care to guess which days were overcast?

[clever mortar]

Yeah, once I started graphing temperature, humidity, and light levels, I started noticing some interesting things

[clear ferry]

mmmm magic smoke air in the room

I mixed up + and - on the led strip 🤣

[low harness]

That's nice. The more expensive component the better.

[clear ferry]

not very, but the diode on the wemos started glowing

🤣

[scenic radish]

@low harness @clever mortar an observation i made about two years ago was that the lower the low temperature for the day, the lower the dew point will be. for example, the air on a day with a high of 90F (32C) and a low of 60F (15.5C) will be more dry than on a day with the same high temp and a low of 70F (21C). after doing some research on this i discovered that the dew point can in fact be used to predict the low temp

[clever mortar]

Interesting

[scenic radish]

also that mentholmint schnapps and hot chocolate == incredible

[young sigil]

If the upper lines are indoor temps, that's some nice house insulation you've got there Thomas.

[clear ferry]

I still remember when I smoked

and smoked menthol cigarettes

that flavour will never vanish from my mind

[light trout]

I take a few of those when I'm sick.. feels good, but makes me sicker 😅

[clear ferry]

They are even worse if you roll them yourself

Jesus, it could stun a horse

[orchid rose]

Windows 10 after the last update... Browser crashed because I ran out of RAM. Currently idle with basically nothing but IRC and and Discord on. Committed memory 22GB

[light trout]

There is a fix for that

Don't use windows

[orchid rose]

True. I hope there was some other fix as well though

[clear ferry]

There is another

Run HP-UX with CDE

[orchid rose]

I would google what those words mean but I don't have enough ram 😡

[clear ferry]

🤣

[wet pilot]

discord is an electron app, pretty thirsty for ram

[clear ferry]

been running for 4 days here

[low harness]

@young sigil They are. And it is. That's how you build when the outside temperatures vary by 60-70 K over the year.

[clear ferry]

uses 54.2MB RAM @wet pilot

[scenic radish]

60-70 Kelvin?

[orchid rose]

I don't even get how the RAM usage in W10 works...

it thinks it has tons of ram, but when the committed value hits the ceiling, everything just starts crashing

[scenic radish]

What's even weirder is those are commas, not periods 😉

[orchid rose]

at least it's not in Finnish 🙂

[light trout]

That is the way it should be

[clear ferry]

committed is both physical memory and page file

how much is stored in both of those afaik

if both run out you are out of memory, which is never good, that means your disk cannot flush the pages properly

I usually see issues with that with servers that have say... 512GB RAM, and spindle drives, and lots of video streams coming in, if the cache is not configured for the drives the memory will fill to 100% and drop all memory and restart

[orchid rose]

That's all true from what I understand, but the issue is the RAM is not actually getting used, it just stacks it up in the SSD until I run out of space on my disk and then it crashes

as you can see it shows 11GB of free RAM. Yet the committed size is 16GB+Pagefile

[clear ferry]

is your SSD only 12GB ?

[orchid rose]

less than that

[clear ferry]

no wait, 16GB physical and 9.3GB swap it seems

if your SSD is that small, you should buy something bigger or turn off the page file

[orchid rose]

uhm, well the SSD is 240Gb, but it's full as it happens 🙂

[clear ferry]

the page file should already be allocated on boot

so it won't take any extra space after boot

unless it is dynamic, then I'm not sure, I always lock page files

[orchid rose]

It's allowed to expand if needed in the settings

[clear ferry]

don't do that

if you have a SSD and 16GB RAM you really shouldn't be needing page files anyway..

[clever mortar]

Ah, Windows, auto-expanding page files, and small disks... that brings back memories...

[orchid rose]

I've had the system run on pure RAM as well but the problem with that was that some games would actually fill the 16GB

[clear ferry]

from yesterday @clever mortar ? 😉

[clever mortar]

Thankfully no

The few Windows boxes I admin are all virtual 😄

[clear ferry]

do you run java-games with shitty code @orchid rose ?

[orchid rose]

and it doesn't matter what size my pagefile is in this case. It just keeps eating the memory with no reason 😄

[clear ferry]

I actually don't have a single windows box left to admin, everything is docker here now 🤣

[orchid rose]

like I restarted the PC maybe 9 hours ago and since it's eaten ~18GB

[clear ferry]

I restarted my pc four days ago, and I never even close tabs here

[orchid rose]

yeah. It's an issue that I got after the latest update again and I've had something like this previously

then I fixed it by reinstalling VoiceMeeter iirc but I'm currently not using it at all so...

[clear ferry]

currently I have 23 apps, 98 background processes and 94 windows processes running

[orchid rose]

where's that information from?

[clear ferry]

task manager

[orchid rose]

Oh I see now. Yeah less of everything for me. After reboot I have 5.6GB committed with a little bit more stuff running than previously.

[wary mica]

after a few days of playing around with HA and pulling hairs, i was given a vm at work to do testing of databases and spinning up some other environments.... the fun never stops, does it

[scenic radish]

time to install home assistant on that vm

if you don't, i will be mildly disappointed

and you don't want that, do you?

[clear ferry]

@wary mica you are given VMs ? I just continuously make my own, in every enviroment I touch 😉

[wary mica]

yeah i currently had a shitty old laptop running something we needed, and i was like "hey. can i hav vm plz"

the shitty laptop was just for testing purposes and now we're actually planning on using it in production

[scenic radish]

i tried to pip install homeassistant in a python venv on my machine at work

[clear ferry]

I see I've been out of the SMB marked for too long, people running stuff on laptops

[scenic radish]

it installed, but --open-ui doesn't work lol

[clear ferry]

@scenic radish PEBKAC

[scenic radish]

yeah yeah yeah

whatever

[clear ferry]

[wary mica]

oi it was just for testing

and i didnt have the pull at that point to ask for a vm to test

[scenic radish]

alright trying it again

set up a new venv

[clever mortar]

https://home-assistant.io/docs/installation/raspberry-pi/ and #551864459891703809 😛

[scenic radish]

oh sorry, it was just about me trying to install home assistant in a venv on my work machine lol

no questions or anything

[clever mortar]

I know 😉

More that if you're following a venv guide, that's the "one"

[scenic radish]

for science

ah gotcha, thanks 😘

ah yeah i missed a few steps...

i thought i could just create a venv and pip install that shit. i'm on windows. but if i have trouble and i really want this working for some reason i'll go to #551864459891703809 lol

[clever mortar]

Installing.. on Windows... 🤣

I'd wish you luck, but there isn't enough in the world

[light trout]

Dude.. use #449717345808547842

[scenic radish]

i know. for science

@light trout it's on my work machine, i'm just curious what discovery might find lol

[light trout]

So?, Still docker

[scenic radish]

no install rights

i'll see if i can just install under my user

[light trout]

Say you need docker for a customer project ;)

[scenic radish]

lol

i love it

[clear ferry]

windows 🤢

[scenic radish]

it's my work machine. don't judge me 😉

[unreal orbit]

Anyone who says any linux distro makes a better workstation OS than Windows is blind imo

server OS I agree though

[clever mortar]

Linux on the desktop is ok when set up right, but ... Chromebook

[clear ferry]

if it weren't for the propitary work applications I run from the last decade and don't work in wine I would gladly revert my desktop back to linux

[scenic radish]

...i like my chromebook 😢

[unreal orbit]

I have never run a linux distro that's even half as smooth as Windows 🤷

(again, workstation only)

[clever mortar]

I've run smooth Linux desktops on hardware that Windows wouldn't boot on 😉

[scenic radish]

ugh...are we gonna debate ios vs android next?

[unreal orbit]

There is no debate

[clever mortar]

Yes... both suck, both are awesome

[clear ferry]

I ran fedore core desktop from 2003-2006, and ubuntu from 2008-2010, but ubuntu was way too sluggish, made me miss my fedora core on a single core p4 system

[scenic radish]

because i h8 that deb8 too

[unreal orbit]

I guess it's just not in the spirit of debate to say almost every OS has its use case

[clear ferry]

When I think about it I ran slackware desktop from 98 to 00, with dual boot for those pesky windows gaming sessions 🤔

and I ran BeOS for a few months in 96 I think

[unreal orbit]

What's your preferred desktop distro now @clear ferry ?

[clear ferry]

Windows because I'm stuck with a lot of legacy applications

[unreal orbit]

Say you weren't hindered by that, if you actually had a choice

[scenic radish]

holy shit. it worked

my venv install just pulled up onboarding

lmao

[clear ferry]

I might jump back to fedora core

[unreal orbit]

@scenic radish you're surprised that following instructions gives results? 🤣

[clear ferry]

I'm anyways debating on retiring my desktop, it's 12 years old

[scenic radish]

i didn't follow the instructions, i just did pip install in the venv lol

[clear ferry]

I just need something that supports 3 displays and has a soundcard

and I would be happy

[unreal orbit]

Oh man, driver compatibility is also a huge issue for me

I've had some very bad experiences with shit linux drivers

@scenic radish those are the venv instructions 😉

[scenic radish]

ohhh gotcha lol

[clear ferry]

I always ran ATI, so I never had issues

nvidia people 🖕

[scenic radish]

obviously it was PEBKAC the first time like atx said before

[clear ferry]

and the only game I played really while I was using it was either RTCW:ET or WoW

[unreal orbit]

I have something like 250 games on Steam, so that is also a reason I probably won't ever give up Windows completely

[clear ferry]

I think I have 6 games on steam

I haven't been logged in for years

[scenic radish]

250?! I'm impressed

6? I'm disappointed.

[unreal orbit]

268 is the actual number. Mostly junk from bundles. Probably only about half are games that I actually wanted

[scenic radish]

Ah I've gotcha

Humble bundles?

[unreal orbit]

humble and random steam bundles

[scenic radish]

Neato

[clear ferry]

My cheap Halloween porch decoration is coming along

[light trout]

You need some dry ice for it

[wet pilot]

that's pretty cool, might have to steal that idea

oooo dry ice

[unreal orbit]

I've been an adult for many years and have not taken advantage of the fact that I can buy dry ice now... what am I doing with my life?

[clear ferry]

the jar cost me $3 and the wemos and leds probably $4

and motion activated via my camera

should be good

[unreal orbit]

Do you get trick or treaters at your house?

Not sure how widespread that phenomenon is

[light trout]

I turn off all external lights and pretend I'm not home

[clear ferry]

it's quite big in scandinavia

[light trout]

It's annoying

[unreal orbit]

Interesting. I was bummed when we moved into our new house and only got 2

[wet pilot]

we have a few actual kids but mostly teens around here

[unreal orbit]

@light trout are you a curmudgeon for all holidays or just Halloween? 😉

[light trout]

All

[wet pilot]

but lots of parents that drive their kids from neighborhood to neighborhood :/

[light trout]

And people in general

[clear ferry]

how the grinc.... ludeuus stole halloween

[unreal orbit]

I do agree that people in general suck

[scenic radish]

@light trout just move a condo/apartment with secured entry, problem solved

[light trout]

That is the plan

[scenic radish]

currently living that condo lyfe

[unreal orbit]

Doesn't help when they're inside the complex 😱

[scenic radish]

it's nice to own but basically just pay everyone to do all exterior maintenance lol

[light trout]

They will fast learn not to disturb me

[clear ferry]

house 4 lyfe

[scenic radish]

yeah the goal is to eventually buy a house

when i can afford one

[unreal orbit]

I enjoy doing my own exterior maintenance. We were very close to buying a condo though. In our area the price difference isn't super huge between condo and house though

[wet pilot]

we moved away to buy a house here

DC area -> Charlotte area

cut housing prices by over half

[scenic radish]

i believe it

[unreal orbit]

Oh jesus, I can't imagine buying a house in DC

I'm in an LA suburb, that's bad enough

[clear ferry]

my house has doubled in price since I bought it

I should sell

[wet pilot]

townhomes start at 500k in Ashburn (KIAD area)

[scenic radish]

good lord

townhomes?

for that starting price?

[wet pilot]

yep, for the smallest one and bare minimum features

[scenic radish]

yikes

[clear ferry]

I have 2600sqm, I bought it for $227k

[wet pilot]

granted, our 2br2ba appartment was 1800/mo + utilities so perspective i guess

[unreal orbit]

My house is half that size and I paid almost double 😕

[wet pilot]

our mortgage is cheaper than that now

[scenic radish]

1100 sq ft condo with flexicore/CMU construction for $85K

[wet pilot]

2600sqm? seems huge

[scenic radish]

square meters? holy shit

[wet pilot]

our place is 2300 sqft -> 213.7 sqm

[scenic radish]

that's a friggin mansion

[unreal orbit]

oh damn, I definitely misread that. My house isn't nearly that big 🤣

[scenic radish]

102 sqm for me :/

[wet pilot]

260k purchased 2 years ago here 🙂

[unreal orbit]

27000 sqft? That doesn't seem right...

[wet pilot]

lol

that's my thought

[scenic radish]

like i said

mansion

atxbyea is loaded

send some of those norwegian dollarydoos my way

[unreal orbit]

that's closer to castle than mansion...

[scenic radish]

a mansion made of other... smaller mansions

[wet pilot]

compound/complex

[unreal orbit]

I think that's called a town 🤣

[scenic radish]

@clear ferry explain yourself

we demand answers

[clear ferry]

ooops

should be SQF

FOR YOUR FREEDOM UNITS

[unreal orbit]

I hate freedom units just as much as the next communist spy

[scenic radish]

that's what i figured

[wet pilot]

heh

2600ft^2 for that price is pretty sweet

[scenic radish]

not as sweet as the super mansion though

[wet pilot]

2300 for 260k US here

rofl

[unreal orbit]

2600sqft would be about 750k to a mil depending on the state (of the house, not in the country)

[wet pilot]

heh

yeah, would be in the 500+ range in the dc area

[clear ferry]

I can probably get close to $400k for it now

[wet pilot]

probably 600 - 750 now

[clear ferry]

my mortage is $850 per month

[unreal orbit]

Generally you won't find a house that big that doesn't come with a fair amount of land

[clear ferry]

I have the normal size of land for that house roughly 8500sqft

[scenic radish]

i own exactly 1.85% of the common area of my condo complex, so there's that

[boreal pewter]

Nooo @clear ferry don't start with retard measurement too!

[scenic radish]

yikes

[clear ferry]

HALT, ICH WILL MEASURE IT IN ZE GERMAN WAYZ

9⃣ 9⃣ 9⃣ 9⃣

[scenic radish]

lmao

[unreal orbit]

I love when people use the argument of "if our measurements are so bad then why are we the only country that went to the moon"? Like NASA doesn't use metric.....

[scenic radish]

so i created my "spooky mode" automation to mildly scare my fiancee tomorrow lol

it turns everything off (TVs, lights, etc) with 0 transition time. then a second later says "it's spooky time bitches" and flashes all the lights red

it is surprisingly funny

[dull chasm]

@clear ferry i am somewhat back ....wrist is still huritng....been playing with the new yamaha axa3080 i got a couple of days ago

[scenic radish]

uh-oh, what happened?

[dull chasm]

broke my wrist in 4 places

[scenic radish]

sorry to hear that

[dull chasm]

thanks one bone 3 cracks other one chipped bone

[scenic radish]

oof. how'd it happen?

[dull chasm]

fell off steps

[boreal pewter]

I bought the Huami Amazfit GTR

Not too happy but there is just no alternative

[scenic radish]

@dull chasm that's no fun, sorry.

[dull chasm]

thanks

[scenic radish]

@boreal pewter were you a pebble user too?

because i'm holding onto mine for dear life

[boreal pewter]

What is pebble?

[scenic radish]

that hurts

[clever mortar]

More so if you put one in your shoe 😛

[prime copper]

Hey there, new to smart things. I am completely renovating the house so I am planning to interface things such as lights, roller shutters, temperature and ventilation. I will probably use home assistant as it looks very friendly. btw I 'm an IT guy, that helps

[clever mortar]

New to SmartThings... you poor soul 😛

We'll soon convince you that Home Assistant should be at the heart of it all 😉

[scenic radish]

one of us one of us

also, looks can be deceiving 😉

[prime copper]

ahahah, I don't want to use those commercial spything

[clever mortar]

All the more reason to ditch ST then 😉

[unreal orbit]

I think he may have meant "iot things"

[scenic radish]

more like... FartThings

i'm guessing he did too @unreal orbit

[prime copper]

Yep that's what I meant :p

[scenic radish]

well as an it guy i'm sure you've said RTFM at least once before, so hopefully we won't have to tell you that 😉

[prime copper]

ahah I'm doing it all day

[scenic radish]

have you tried turning it off and on again?

[prime copper]

all day too

Actually I am planning to use the docker version but I don't know yet how it will interface with a touchscreen

I mean, in a docker swarm environnement with several Pis

[clever mortar]

Yes

And no

Don't confuse the back end ( #330944238910963714 ) with the front end ( #frontend-archived )

If your touch screen can display a web page, it'll work

And, HA in a swarm, may prove "interesting" - good luck 😉

[prime copper]

Oh that nice

I can use an old tablet then

[clever mortar]

Maybe - depends on how old, but there are other UIs

[prime copper]

All good, do you guys have any preference for a zwave stick on a Pi

I got a 3 but might have to use a 4 soon

[scenic radish]

i like my HUSBZB-1

[clever mortar]

See the docs - links from the #zwave-archived channel 😉

[scenic radish]

zigbee and z-wave

[clever mortar]

Choices depend in part on where in the world you are

[prime copper]

europe

[boreal pewter]

The only place someone would want to go 😄

[clever mortar]

Then... HUSBZB-1 isn't for you

[scenic radish]

😢

[clever mortar]

This is why RTFM is good, because it tells you these things 😉

[prime copper]

that's too bad, the Aeotec looks good but does not seem to work with the Pi4

[scenic radish]

oooooh gottem

[clever mortar]

It does work, you just need to follow the instructions 😉

[scenic radish]

gottem again

[clever mortar]

I'll be here all night folks

[unreal orbit]

We need some sort of :rtfm: sarcastic emoji

[scenic radish]

[clever mortar]

[wet pilot]

@scenic radish NASA definitely uses metric because they had an issue where both units were used and a mission failed by crashing into mars

they went metric only after that

[unreal orbit]

I was the one who said that 😉

[scenic radish]

that was villhellm but thx lol

[wet pilot]

oh

[scenic radish]

you're confusing the purply bois

[wet pilot]

you purples all look the same

[unreal orbit]

but yes, good point

[scenic radish]

THANOS NAME THANOS NAME

@wet pilot that's racist

[unreal orbit]

a bit

[wet pilot]

most science agencies use metric these days

and least for their data collection and storage

they'll run the conversions for the peons though

[scenic radish]

i agree metric is better than imperial but i won't insult other countries like @boreal pewter does

😉

[orchid rose]

Fernando Alonso failed to qualify for Indy 500 this year because the car bottomed out after using imperial instead of metric units in the setup iirc

[unreal orbit]

the amount of times I have to convert mm to inches in a day at work is too damn much

(and vice versa)

[scenic radish]

rent is too damn high meme here

[boreal pewter]

@scenic radish I usually argue that if you call a dumb person dumb it can't be an linsult telling the truth

[scenic radish]

idk, i didn't have a choice to use anything other than imperial soo 🤷

[boreal pewter]

Oh you're playing that card

[unreal orbit]

Ah yes, the logic card

how annoying

[boreal pewter]

Indeed

How dare you

[scenic radish]

uh-oh, i might have been shadowbanned for my last comment in #609399695466430465

[clever mortar]

👻

[scenic radish]

for real though, looks like i killed that conversation lmao

[shy comet]

it wasnt all t hat important lol

so who keeps rearranging the dev channel lol I keep seeing general getting moved around 😛

[light trout]

It's real easy to do, I have done it multiple times without noticing

[scenic radish]

like when zwave was moved under other?

[light trout]

I don't see #zwave-archived

[shy comet]

lol

[scenic radish]

i just realized that components are now officially integrations... but we still have custom components

ughhhhhhhhhhhhh

and custom integrations doesn't sound as nice as the alliteration of custom components

[clever mortar]

And the folder is still custom_components/

[scenic radish]

my life is over. i must now uninstall home assistant.

been nice knowing you guys

but home assistant is now literally unusable

[unreal orbit]

Source code still has them under components as well

[scenic radish]

kill me

[amber bramble]

🤣

[shy comet]

next year we will call it something else too

[unreal orbit]

componentgrations

[light trout]

Let's do modules next

[shy comet]

ah yes modules lol

add-on modules 😉

if we keep changing it might as well have less syllables lol

[scenic radish]

CustoModules

Of course in camelcase which home assistant doesn't support

That wouldn't create any more confusion

[unreal orbit]

HA has converted me to snake case

[dull chasm]

keep it confusing so that whatever direction is taken ....we the people just didnt understand

[light trout]

In that case, we should call integrations buckets

[dull chasm]

👍

[light trout]

addons should be barrels

hassio == the death star
venv == the rebel alliance

[unreal orbit]

or kegs and barrels

Damn, I was a rebel this whole time and I didn't even know it

You never suspect yourself

[scenic radish]

🐍 case 4 lyfe

[brisk glen]

what is docker then?

[unreal orbit]

The person who parks the boat

[dull chasm]

thats messed up ....but a logical answer

should have been dock the boat thou

[clear ferry]

Getting there

Espixelstick https://imgur.com/gallery/4KW0sYm

[scenic radish]

dass cool

[clever mortar]

That looks so like there's electrical shorting going on

[vast dove]

Get rid of the cable and it might look cool

[scenic radish]

right one almost has a Sans vibe going

[unreal orbit]

I imagine the cable is just for testing/setup

[vast dove]

https://tenor.com/view/imagine-that-gif-11726635

[clear ferry]

Yeah, the battery packs will go inside the box

And frosting on the faces and lid to obscure the inside

[scenic radish]

delicious

kinda messy though

[clear ferry]

Now, why the fork doesn't the mqtt discovery work

[scenic radish]

is this the good place?

[unreal orbit]

Discovery 🤢

[clear ferry]

Manual didn't work either @unreal orbit😂

[scenic radish]

someone laugh at my jokes pls

i need validation

thank

so i don't know why i decided to install home assistant in a venv on my work machine but i guess i have access to the template dev tool at work now

so there's that

discovery didn't pick up anything as expected, probably different subnets for devices

[clever mortar]

Hass.io != Docker

See #613790866523422723

[scenic radish]

chalk up another W bois

[clever mortar]

🇼

No

[velvet horizon]

List of FAQs, including one explaining the difference between Home Assistant (the software) and Hass.io (an installer).

Command '~faq' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[clever mortar]

Home Assistant is the software

Hass.io, Docker, Hassbian, venv, etc ... those are ways of installing Home Assistant

That's not Home Assistant

That's for the Hass.io install method only

It's how you install other software

[scenic radish]

well... hassbian is technically an OS buuut...

the point still stands

[clever mortar]

Eh, Hassbian is a merger of an OS and an install method, bit like the Hass.io images

[scenic radish]

tru

[light trout]

Didn't you read it @midnight adder ? https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/330990055533576204/639146223588212771

[scenic radish]

https://ludeeus.gitbook.io/root/general/i_have_an_error is my favorite

what?

[clever mortar]

You're confusing Chrome (Home Assistant) with Windows (Hass.io)

[scenic radish]

the hass.io installation method is what enables the hass.io button in home assistant

if you install home assistant in any other way, no hass.io button 4 u

[clever mortar]

Correct

Because Docker != Hass.io

[scenic radish]

once again, check out #613790866523422723

[clever mortar]

Nope

They're just other pieces of software

[light trout]

Vlc and adobe

[clever mortar]

Do please see #613790866523422723

[scenic radish]

can i interest you in #613790866523422723?

[light trout]

How about a half pint of #613790866523422723 ?

[unreal orbit]

What's that one channel that's about running hassio in docker?

[scenic radish]

i'll take a liter o' #613790866523422723

well you could...

...if you ran the hassio installer

[clever mortar]

👍

[scenic radish]

no

[clever mortar]

It'd set fire to your system, and bring down the moon on your head

[light trout]

I'm out, have fun 👋

[clever mortar]

If you want Hass.io, install Hass.io

That is the only way

[scenic radish]

I AM CALM

[clever mortar]

And... don't forget you can get banned for being an ass 😉

[unreal orbit]

rule #8

don't be an ass

Server bans are IP bans

I'm sure if there were someone spamming using a VPN they would just take away public server invites

[scenic radish]

probably

then the forum would be flooded with "i have an error, pls halp" posts with no error attached

[clear ferry]

Nice

Now this channel just looks like two people not talking to each other talking to each other

Tink mad at ted, although they are very indirect about it

[unreal orbit]

Was the guy banned or did he just delete all of his messages?

[scenic radish]

Looks like a mass delete of some sort

[scenic radish]

@clear ferry tinkerer and I fight all the time in DMs

[hushed basalt]

I tried hassio in docker

Instructions were unclear

Now I live in a shipping container

[scenic radish]

Lol

Must have used bad Telco tech

[hushed basalt]

I see what you did there

[autumn scarab]

Which telco do/did ya work for BTT? I worked for a manufacturer first years who was bought as a division of Global Crossing then spun off again and became part of Polycom.

Also worker for a place that made channel banks, DS3 muxes, and GR303 stuff.

[shy comet]

wow automated mosquitto killer? no way lol https://www.gearbest.com/home-smart-improvements/pp_3001071306331967.html?wid=2000001

[hushed basalt]

Telstra

@autumn scarab

A long time ago

[autumn scarab]

Mine was long ago too. Stopped telecom around 1999 stayed in server and data center builds after that. Telstra was always cool to us.

[wet pilot]

shudders.

telstra is a customer of mine

[autumn scarab]

LOL. I have to couch that by saying a number of our carrier customers were the dying Baby Bells — Telstra were saints compared to ticked off Bell people. LOL.

[wet pilot]

haha

[hasty parcel]

what do you do phnx?

[wet pilot]

software dev

[hasty parcel]

cool, i'm a security engineer

we have a mutual client 😄

[wet pilot]

haha

its definitely obnoxious getting on calls with them

6:30p Eastern for just as obnoxiously early for them

beta testing one of our products though so i guess its worth

[hasty parcel]

i'm in brisbane so it is +10 here

[wet pilot]

GMT+10?

[hasty parcel]

yep

[wet pilot]

-4 here

untill this weekend

[hushed basalt]

@wet pilot what sort of dev work do you do

It's fun dealing with NY people from Perth

Literally any further away and they'd start coming back the other way

[wet pilot]

lol

Python dev 🙂

back when i was doing support i did overnights for a bit to handle APAC

7p-7a Sa - Tu local time

was pretty brutal

they promised to move me to AUS but they completely underestimated the difficulty of your immigration system

[hushed basalt]

DRF backend stuff?

Internal corporates, agency?

[wet pilot]

nah, our main product is hardware monitoring

ScienceLogic, might have seen SL1/EM7 thrown around

i work on a secondary product though. A workflow execution platform

[hushed basalt]

Ah that's cool

I need to learn Django,

[scenic radish]

Unchained

[hushed basalt]

Har har har

The framework is older than the movie though

[wet pilot]

yeah, quite old at this point

[scenic radish]

I'll be here...well not for much longer. Bedtime

[wet pilot]

there's a pretty big push to use flask these days instead

i have done a django project in the past though

[hushed basalt]

Yeah flask has pros and cons

Like everything I guess

Flask can be frustrating