Mmmm propiatary stuff
#the-water-cooler
mental garden
@wet pilot That's interesting! That was my main hangup with the zwave switches. The Leviton switches are priced decently, but I wan leaning toward the GE until I read about the Hail issue.
amber bramble
i'm waiting on the inovelli dimmers to ship, they have by far the largest feature set built into the firmware of any zwave switch i've seen
mental garden
What about security cameras? I live in MN and it gets damn cold here. People seem to like Hikvision. They aren't cheap, but seem to be good quality.
amber bramble
I've got 5 Reolinks and 1 Ubiquiti camera
Reolinks are super cheap with OK quality
I'm probably going to replace them with some Dahua cameras with better imaging sensors at some point though, but its hard to justify the extra $100+ per camera...
clear ferry
I use random Chinese cams for $20-25
We have -35c here
Coincidentally I actually read about Bob Dylan's hometown in Minnesota a few days ago
And the climate is very similar to my hometown
wet pilot
@amber bramble O_O looks like i'm going inovelli in the future
mental garden
@amber bramble I've watched/read a lot of reviews of Reolinks. Like you said, the seem like OK quality.
Those inovelli look amazing!
and they are a great price too!
amber bramble
downside is HA doesn't support half of the stuff they can do yet 🤣
wet pilot
amber bramble
maybe the last remaining semi-active HA zwave dev should work on that
oh wait thats me 😂
wet pilot
i'd offer to help but i've been pretty time strapped lately
amber bramble
currently waiting on association group stuff to get fixed in the 1.6 python-openzwave
mental garden
I'd offer to help, but my skills are more of a keep typing until it works method.
I was working on my own home control system for awhile. I had control of my isy994i , my pioneer receiver and all of my iTach's.
Then I got married and had kids.
It's probably been 8 years ago that I was at a party and some people were talking about programming. I mentioned that I really like to program in python. The basically laughed at me because they thought python wasn't a serious programming language. Apparently C++ was the only "real" programming language.🙄
wet pilot
mmm programming language religious wars
storm summit
@mental garden hahaha. If only you could replay that for them now. Jokes on them.
hearty depot
someone got an jump host ssh command handy -I dont get it to work with an indenty file
or the password on the keys meight be my Problem.. 🤔
mental garden
@storm summit no kidding!
mystic wraith
anyone use any kind of software or program to map out all their home automation stuff?
I would like to get everything written down some place
hearty depot
nmap?
mystic wraith
neat
copper sequoia
these google "events" are getting so lame..
scenic radish
i used to be excited about new phones... until like 3 years ago. i feel like it's gotten to the point where stuff can't really get much faster, so really the only improvements are cameras and maybe other features. of course, battery size has hardly increased...now that i would get excited about
and i'm tired of seeing notches and other stupid shit like that happen to the display
is it really that big of a deal if a phone has bezels?
wet pilot
at least everyone isnt racing to the thinnest anymore
scenic radish
never once in my entire time of owning a smartphone have i thought "man, this is way too thick"
copper sequoia
@low pythonidore they basically have run out of crap
scenic radish
i have, however, thought "why can't this have a bigger battery?"
copper sequoia
i guess it matters so a lot of idiots still
its a superficial world
and really..thank apple for that bs...
but really...google just fails to impress anymore..its gone the marketing way
the whole camera focus still is there..stupid...they are still trying to split the atom...
wet pilot
they're pulling back from their original position though
unreal orbit
Woot! Alexa timers can now be made visible in HA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSxPJ2R1OP4
clever mortar
I still miss the battery life of my old Nokia phones, and their ability to survive almost anything
mystic dagger
MORE BEZELS = MORE FUN!!!
static plinth
@mental garden I would not skip out on your ethernet cable. so many more devices are going to be powered over ethernet and the years to come. Every potential camera location, not just outside your house but inside your house. The doorbell. Window blinds. Not only the televisions but also Every smart speaker location including sound bars and subwoofers. In ceiling internet. They should all be terminated in an in wall patch panel, like electrical circuits in a service panel. And I would also not rely on battery-powered devices - especially for in-ceiling sensors. Also make sure the LEDs are on the high end - LED flicker is real.
static plinth
@scenic radish I don't know, she must have been exaggerating a little out of frustration but I do know she got the nests with those temperature sensors and bought them about a year ago
hushed basalt
I used a punch down patch panel for my works install and I regret it
Had to make the cable runs way longer to have more slack, and I can't add/change/repair anything without taking down the whole network
wet pilot
they're decent if you do it once and leave it forever
hushed basalt
Yeah for datacentre type stuff where it's run 24 cables and leave it until it gets removed with a chainshaw
wet pilot
'cause you just bang out the entire thing in one go
but yeah, GG if you gotta repair something
hushed basalt
For home or small office, keystone is 100% the way to go
static plinth
@hushed basalt yeah good call. And then wall patch panel is something that someone not knowing anything about even that could say ehhhhh why not just come out of the wall with a cable and go straight to the server rack. But landing in the wall has so many benefits especially during new construction, and then going with pre-made cables from the wall to the server rack saves time way more than any material cost savings.
static plinth
Let's just say I'm looking forward to my second smart home contract
hushed basalt
Then you can mix technology too
wet pilot
and gods forgive anyone pinches that cable that's coming straight from the wall
hushed basalt
So if you need some multimode LC you can have it in the same 1u
Or cat7 for one particular run
Plus you can just punch down the keystones in a convenient place then put them in the patch panel
Rather than having to bring the whole patch panel to working height
wet pilot
with a satisfying click
hushed basalt
Some people use rj45 couplers but I'm not a fan
wet pilot
Eew
hushed basalt
Insulation displacement contacts are where it's at
When I have my own home I'll probably have 2 x 24 port keystones
Then I can just add cables one run at a time
static plinth
Also pairing off of devices offside before showing up to install them is a strategy on looking forward to next time around, rather than running all over the house up and down ladders like a lunatic
hushed basalt
Rather than a traditional patch panel where you need to do all the runs before you can comission it
hushed basalt
I have a half height medium depth rack
I just know I'll eventually end up with more than 24 runs
I'll be trying to hard wire everything over wireless/batteries where practical
static plinth
Yeah on this one out so I'm almost out of ports on my 48-port switch. I felt so bad discovering after the fact that all the Sonos speakers really would have benefited from being hard-wired and some of them needed them.
hushed basalt
But say 6 x cctv, 3 x access points, 2 x runs to each bedroom, study, theatre, kitchen , etc
It adds up quick
static plinth
Yeah but when the walls go up what can you do? it'd be better to make sure the homes future-proof before buying any of that equipment
You don't necessarily need to terminate everything just run it and cut it and leave it in a box. But cameras are so much better for automation than motion sensors and the younger generation isn't going to mind the living room being all camera-ed up
wet pilot
👀
static plinth
Voice to text in Mississippi doesn't work very well
But on my next one I'm definitely going to have some even that runs inside the house just for future proofing that aren't going to be used right at the point of the new build but will be there. window blinds I'm telling you that's the big Poe device that isn't on anyone's radar
I want a poe bathroom fan "Siri, I'm taking a s***"
wet pilot
why not just put a smart relay in and a PIR sensor with humidity
static plinth
Well you don't want the fan coming on every time you're in the bathroom
wet pilot
hence the humidity sensor
static plinth
Do farts affect humidity? I'm just kidding around here I don't really think that a bathroom fan needs to be Poe. But it makes a lot of sense for window blinds
static plinth
I know right? I'd imagine the window blind system would have to be able to piggyback between blinds
wet pilot
22 in this house, i know because i just got them replaced...
static plinth
At least for the ones that face the same orientation
Like those batteries are not going to cut it if you're automating the blinds to move everyday
wet pilot
servos are thirsty
static plinth
I'm dealing with some pretty gnarly power quality issues on my current site. So it's making me want to Poe everything
If it were my new build I would substantially reduce the amount of light switches in the house....
wet pilot
it can be nice to have
hushed basalt
I'd say PIRs have a lot of advantages over cameras for a lot of uses
Object recognition is one thing. But quality PIRs are still way better than cameras at accurate motion detection
Cameras can false positive like crazy
Plus they're considerably cheaper
Which matters for volume
And use much less power which matters for your poe switch power budget
static plinth
Well I got to build out my Z-Wave mesh with some powered Z-Wave devices before I can really judge if my non camera motion sensors are really effective. I had to clock out of my current project for a little bit before the learning curve bankrupts me.
I'm not so sure that 80% of this stuff isn't really more generic rather than custom to the specific user
I work in solar construction and do solar training, I'm kind of thinking about putting together some pre-programmed smart home kits to sell to my solar installer network... Once I get a little more experience
wet pilot
maybe something similar to konnected but for solar?
hushed basalt
To be honest i think the big tech things will dominate commercial smart home stuff
Google amazon etc
wet pilot
maybe as some sort of hub. i don't think they really care enough about switching and what not
inb4 amazon buys hue
or even better, buys phillips just for hue
Bezos has "fuck you from orbit" money so it wouldn't surprise me
static plinth
Yeah they really are gaining a lot of momentum. I haven't heard of lonnected but yeah something like that. But the energy controls are really lacking in those platforms. It's not always needed because we have pretty simple electric bills for the most part, but off grid customers sorely need energy controls and even some customers just have bad solar policy and so could use them to. But really it's just that solar installers sell high-end packages the wealthy customers and not all rooftops are good for solar so my thought is give them something else to sell
wet pilot
konnected is based on hassio and they have a daughter board for the raspi to handle lagacy security system hardware
so maybe something similar could work for your purposes
static plinth
And then in rural areas with bad internet the over-the-air DVR Plex stop could be a big value, beyond just being neat
These cloud services are just getting out of control though. I got my current job the air conditioner company is requiring a specific thermostat which reports back to the air conditioner company how the air conditioner is being used. I mean I understand the manufacturers point of view, but how far is that going to go
static plinth
And it's harmful. Entry level radio thermostat connected to the Z-Wave Network I can tell the air conditioner or heater to back off a bit if a client's electrical load is too much for the system but I can't do that with a freaking $300 proprietary internet thermostat from a top-of-the-line HVAC manufacturer
wet pilot
Smells like carrier
wet pilot
Ah, same shit 😄
static plinth
But I got to say that air conditioning heat pump units are incredibly efficient
They go on 50 amp breakers but they only use like 10 amps the heat and cool the house. The breaker size is for the backup emergency electric heat, wedge for most climates would never be used
static plinth
But like you said I don't really see Google or Amazon getting into like smart power outlets or wall switches. I think they're just going to go after lighting and sound the more expensive sparkly stuff
Yeah it is pretty crazy how few devices there are to stabilize or inject power into the home during the spikes. We have the actual electrical storage components now but we don't have very good inverters to say inject all that power in a controlled manner for a capacitor
wet pilot
Yeah. It'll probably become more relevant as time goes on
It must be interesting trying to get things to ~60hz
static plinth
I mean you get a 12 kilowatt cheapest shed Chinese battery inverter for $3k or you get the high end quality battery inverter that is 5 kilowatt from outback for $4k. So even though it's a high-end home we're using the cheap stuff simply because the power an entire house using the quality stuff it would spiral the budget out of control pretty fast.... But you get what you pay for. a lot of solar off gridders go for less power consumption but I'm interested in water tanks for a regular house to go off grid
But that might not be wise... so now when we have led flickering it's very hard to determine if it's the quality of the led, the quality of the inverter, the quality of the battery.... And it's really a combination of all three. You don't run into those issues when you just use top-shelf stuff across the board
In the Solar world 12 kilowatts is a huge inverter for a home... And on an overcast day that is lukewarm like today, a 5000 square foot all-electric house might be normally on a 1 1/2 kilowatt baseload, but it can easily spiked a 20kw even without tankless water heaters that are 20kw by themselves
Even my dumb electric tank water heater tries to heat up all the water as fast as possible in a short. Of time instead of running on low throughout the day. One of our devices are just not thinking about how they use electricity because there's no real economic incentive to think that way for now. Once our electric bills move over towards being just fixed fees more people of start going off grid even in urban settings
hushed basalt
Heat pump HWS?
wet pilot
Remember those old roof mount heat pipes they used to do for hot water? Wonder if those could make a come back
hushed basalt
Programmed to run when excess solar is being captured
Solar HWS are still pretty common in Aus
static plinth
I think so. I've been toying around with plumbing the solar racking underneath the array as well... I mean PV array is just a large inefficient solar thermal collector
But I don't know if battery technology continues to improve down its path then things will get a lot more simple
Like there's lots of efficiency stuff that is more worthwhile than solar but solar is very simple and can get the job done
wet pilot
They're only like 30% efficient these days right?
static plinth
Typical modules are around 20% efficient
wet pilot
Seems like running heat pipes through the panels would be a good way to bosst that for off grid implementations
static plinth
When I got in 10 years ago they were 11%
wet pilot
It's been ramping up fairly quickly these days
Would have been faster if US political situation was different
static plinth
I mean it's been tried in the past and like an El Camino not really a good car or a good truck..
But no one's considered plumbing just the racking and I know how to select the racking that would give me enough space to run some plumbing... but every project I do is so experimental I'm kind of tired of experimenting
Plus I don't really know that much about plumbing
static plinth
Gravity we'll keep it off those panels 😂 but yeah it could easily fail national electric Code inspection because of that
wet pilot
But if you run it like a rad you could probably have a fluid that has strong thermal conductivity with lower electrical conductivity
Hell could probably use whatever AC units use it you wanted
hushed basalt
I'm not a solar expert by any means
But I like the concept of an intelligent heat pump tank hot water system with traditional PV
And setting it to make the water as hot as practical in the tank when it has the solar PV available
Using the hot water as a sort of battery
static plinth
Solaredge is a leading inverter manufacturer and they actually have an accessory for that
wet pilot
With off peak catch-up?
hushed basalt
I'm not sure what the temps are
But say set to 70 degrees C when solar is available
And 55 when solar is not available
static plinth
But it's a little complicated cuz really that would be best as a preheat tank. it's also popular in England where they have pretty strict limits on the amount of power you can output on to the grid at an instant in time.
hushed basalt
So say you have a 300L tank
I have no idea what volumes they use but let's just pretend it's 300L
A 300L tank at 80 degrees can deliver a lot more hot water to a showerhead than a 300L tank at 60 degrees
static plinth
If it's too big its just called a hot tub
hushed basalt
So the hotter you can safely store water in the tank the bigger your thermal battery is
And a minimum temp where it will kick in no matter what if the temp gets too low
static plinth
It's going to be pretty crazy if building design goes back into having ice houses... A hot water tank and even using just plain ol rocks for hot temperature storage works pretty well
wet pilot
Heh I have a 189L tank here
static plinth
The tonnage from air conditioning units comes from how many tons of ice you would need to cool a building
wet pilot
Obnoxiously upstairs
hushed basalt
Building codes in Australia are a joke
I swear half our national energy consumption is wasted on our bad house construction/codes
carbon emissions, renewables and cost of power is always in the news cycle
But no one ever questions why we use so much in the first place
wet pilot
It's really fracking hot there in most places for one 😛
hushed basalt
It's like complaining about the cost of petrol when you drive a 1950s muscle car towing a boat
wet pilot
Heh
hushed basalt
Heat is quite manageable though
Shading, air tightness, insulation, passive solar design
static plinth
The electric code I hear is pretty harsh. I know in Mississippi where I unfortunately live, you get lots of people living in trailers who's electric bills can be as much as their rent. Although their rent is pretty cheap!
hushed basalt
Can reduce energy needs for cooling to almost nothing
wet pilot
Well Holden is gone and Ford killed the falcon. That'll remove some V8s
ocean mirage
Just means people won't be buying newer, more efficient V8s I guess
gotta keep the old ones alive
wet pilot
Up the emissions standards with no grandfathering and they'll die soon enough
ocean mirage
hmmm not sure if I like that or not
ocean mirage
People already own NA V8s though
static plinth
I am really enjoying many things about smart homes from a construction perspective.... Working inside, apolitical, no payback expectations. I'm a bit of a masochist trying to do solar in one of the worst isastates for it (bad policies) and after 5 years here I think it's finally getting to me. Text me into good off-grid stuff though where I can be experimental... And Mississippi being a low talent State it's not too hard to find work
wet pilot
Our obsession with trucks and suvs is a problem
ocean mirage
forcing them to give up something they already have, and spend money on a new car
i dunno
wet pilot
Scale up the regs for all cars on the road over a 10y period
Drop exemptions for "trucks" too
static plinth
I kind of feel like fossil fuels are best for cars and we should transition our grid before our cars but the new battery tech that's coming is going to fight all the gas cars off the road. Australia is really a leader in my mind and solar and batteries. They got the electricity pricing and proximity to China
So there's some damn good installers in Australia
ocean mirage
ever since getting solar cloudy days make me sad
static plinth
Hah
wet pilot
Coal needs to die ASAP. I'm fine with NG short term
Free market is already forcing that in the US though
static plinth
The free market in the US could be doing a little bit better job... the fossil fuel industries have done a very good job convincing the public that it's in their best interest to treat the atmosphere as a free dump
thick dragon
Yeah, when I realised I could reduce my energy bills by 90% just by getting solar without a battery, I was totally on board. Now I just need to convince my body corporate to get on board -_-
wet pilot
Blame current admin but yeah
static plinth
At least here in the US corporate electric bills are different than residential in that there are high kW demand charges, and not even the solar installers understand that it can actually produce a better pay back then kwh charges
wet pilot
EPA is run by a big oil lobbiest
static plinth
But with demand charges you can generates say 10% of your power but reduce 30% of your bill
Sometimes it can be more dramatic than that, and that allows you to use a very expensive battery in a cost-effective manner. What we really need is more Community solar projects on top of large industrial facilities. that would be the most cost-effective optimal way to transition the grid but if that started happening utilities would object to that too. right now it isn't happening and so utilities say that demand reductions benefit everybody.
wet pilot
Duke energy has my state by the balls right now.
static plinth
Yes they do
wet pilot
Through they've been smacked down lately wheu they tried to raise some fees
thick dragon
I've heard that one of the more pressing upcoming problems (at least in Australia) is ingestion into the grid. Apparently we're reaching a point where at some times of the day, supply is outstripping demand and the grid isn't built for redistribution like that.
static plinth
The monopolies are worse in many cases whereas they should be better, or else what benefit does the consumer have for being on a Monopoly?
wet pilot
Duke energy is bad and nc should feel bad. But they don't because the Senate are all paid for
static plinth
Texas is one of the most deregulated markets and they don't have any buyback mandates... with multiple people who will sell you electricity so you can tell company to take a hike if you don't like their policy. and in Texas you got power providers competing for solar customers just to get a little bit of money out of them. And so you get much better solar buy back rates in the free market then you do on many monopolies where they don't give you Jack schitt
wet pilot
Also gerrymandering
static plinth
that's not quite net metering over there in Houston Texas but it's still better than 2 and 1/2 cents a kilowatt-hour which is what the TVA pays and they are a government-owned monopoly waive a coal ash scandal where they've killed their own employees
So yeah I'm really enjoying the non-political nature of smart homes
wet pilot
Joy
static plinth
the TVA will pay utility scale solar companies more for export on to the transmission grid than what they'll pay their own consumers for exporting that energy at point of use
wet pilot
I thought I was good and have gas heat and water but Duke is looking to buy my gas provider too
static plinth
It's nice to have multiple kinds of energy on site in case something goes wrong, but I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with an all-electric home except that it is more of a design challenge for off-grid
wet pilot
Gas for cooking is kinda nice too
static plinth
Until you start reading articles about air quality
wet pilot
If you're smart with it you can move your clothes dryer too which would be beneficial for off grid
Heh
Wife likes cast iron, not sure if induction will work for us
static plinth
Cooking with electric Ed's way beneficial to use induction but that's like a whole new way of learning how to cook and I am not elegant enough to avoid scratching the s*** out of those induction cooktops
It's just a lot more efficient than the other electric resistance stove top
wet pilot
And it's induction or nothing for electric. Coils are shit
static plinth
Yeah I mean heay is heat. It really shouldn't matter that it's gas versus electric for cooking. What bothers me is when the range is gas but the oven is electric!
wet pilot
Oh that's dumb
static plinth
It's like make up your goddamn mind oven
wet pilot
So 220 + a gas line?
static plinth
Yea
wet pilot
That's tarded
static plinth
My clients computer scientist retiree who sold all her Boeing stock right before that debacle hit the news, so she went with all electric home except for a decorative gas fireplace and a gas stove top
At that point it's just go all electric and get the insurance discount
wet pilot
Been loving my gas bill during the summer
static plinth
Yea there is something nice about a $20 utility bill
wet pilot
Water and cooking are the only draws
Old ass HVAC isn't helping me though
~20y old
New windows at least
Duke says my house is one of the most efficient for our size based on usage this summer
static plinth
I rent. My income has been steadily declining with the more experience I get so I'm not doing something correctly.
static plinth
The real futurists say that the gas lines could be retold for hydrogen pretty easily
wet pilot
💥
static plinth
I don't think they had cooking in mind though
static plinth
Put the food in the tank, close the pressure sealed doors, twist of valves, explode the food, remove and serve immediately.
hushed basalt
I'm not a fan of gas
They're a myriad of problems.
A) it's environmentally destructive AF
B) you need an extra utility installed and servived to your house. So capex and opex.
C) Gas can't be captured "free" like electricity at your home
D) burning gas inside your home has a huge range of health and ventilation implications
Which means you need to ventilate it, or live with the health issues
Ventilation means extra money on heating/cooling as well as extra pollutants being drawn in
Personally I'll be going induction stove and heat pump hws
ocean mirage
Is induction still hella pricey?
hushed basalt
Nah
Especially once you consider the cost of gas daily charge
And installation
Even Ikea sells them
ocean mirage
Yeah I have heard as much, I might look into it when I have money to spare
ikea stuff is real well priced
wet pilot
induction >>> coils
hushed basalt
What's your hot water system atm
wet pilot
but you need to make sure you have pots and pans that work
ocean mirage
my cooktop is the glass kind
wet pilot
water, heat, cooking are all gas for me
wet pilot
its glass on top but coils under
ocean mirage
ah
wet pilot
coils are teribad
ocean mirage
but you need to make sure you have pots and pans that work
What do you mean by this
ive never used
wet pilot
some work and some don't. I'm not sure which are which
i think tin might be bad? maybe copper too?
google knows better
ocean mirage
alright, ill look it up if I am gonna make the jump
thick dragon
That's good to know thanks @wet pilot . The place I've just bought has a pretty shitty kitchen, so will definitely investigate induction if/when we renovate it.
wet pilot
induction is basically the best of electric and gas
is usually more expensive but its a lot more consistent
thick dragon
And by the time I renovate I'll definitely have solar, so should offset the running cost even more.
hushed basalt
It's ferros materials that work
Basically anything a fridge magnet sticks to
So cheap nasty aluminum pans won't work
But they're rubbish anyways
I'm a huge fan of cast iron
Australians can get Australian made solidteknics
ocean mirage
I have a frying pan from kmart that has decided to deform itself into a wok
hushed basalt
Yep cheap aluminium ;)
Solidteknic stuff comes with like an 500 year warranty
Plus they're cheaper than scanpan
ocean mirage
I got a tefal set that seems pretty decent, had a gift voucher to somewhere so picked it up
only replacing the kmart stuff as it becomes garbage lol
clear ferry
we only buy tefal stuff
or lecreucet
some of the tefal pans we have had for 10 years
and we cook with them almost every day
strange vapor
@hushed basalt https://twitter.com/OzKitsch/status/1183917464762998786
hushed basalt
Shorts are still in in telcos
clear ferry
I still fix Unix systems in summer while wearing shorts 😛
Because anything over 15c means I'm hot as heck, so summer means sandals and shorts for me
Easy to spot tourist in Barcelona when the locals wore Canada Goose and mittens in December while I go in t-shirts and shorts
hushed basalt
15c
Filthy casual
Talk to me when you're working outdoors in freshly bush fire burnt town in 46 degrees
clear ferry
You mean any day in Australia?
hushed basalt
.....
Yes
clear ferry
hushed basalt
I'll be doing a talk on homeassistant next year
At my local python meetup
I'll warn them all to stay away from Norwegians
You'll never be able to get a job as a python developer in the Perth community! Never!
0.02% of the global market will be taken away from you forever
clever mortar
I'm sure the opportunity to live in the land of natural disasters (other than snow) will upset him deeply 😛
Australia: Death by fire, flood, or drop-bears...
hushed basalt
Perth is pretty calm
I've never experienced a natural disaster
In my 29.99931506849 years
Good bye 20's 😢
clever mortar
🤣
lapis ember
hello my down under neighbours
copper sequoia
@hushed basalt let me guess..thats a sensor in hass 😄
copper sequoia
hehe
@hushed basalt so no ```alias: "all downhill"
trigger:
platform: age
above: 29
action:
service: notify.self
data:
message: "This is the end, the end, my friend.."```
hushed basalt
Death clock
copper sequoia
if only 😄 im 50, man!
hushed basalt
Interger overflow
scenic radish
29.99931506849
@hushed basalt little bit of float rounding error there huh?
hushed basalt
Only Sith deal in absolutes
low harness
I love the irony in that statement.
scenic radish
@copper sequoia Invalid config for [automation]: extra keys not allowed @ data['alias']. (See ?, line ?)
@low harness true. i personally never use absolute statements
shit
copper sequoia
@scenic radish heh not if you use include_dir_list
scenic radish
no hyphen at the beginning 😉
scenic radish
oh reeeeeeeeally? interesting. i thought you still needed it.
i've only ever used dir_merge_list
makes sense though
since you specify list
copper sequoia
😄
clear ferry
Hooray 2kmph queues
clever mortar
Come over here and drive in London - they'd call that normal 😛
clear ferry
I have driven in London multiple times 😛
I found Manhattan worse
Especially since it was 5.30pm
clever mortar
I've been a passenger in a taxi there, but never driven
I have driven in Paris. Once. Never again.
clear ferry
NYC is easy, every second Street up and down, every second Street left and right
mystic dagger
Driving in Manhattan can be exhilarating...you just have to detach yourself from concerns about hitting other cars or pedestrians.
unreal orbit
Sounds like a panic attack to me
clear ferry
You should join me on the wrong side of the road in England @unreal orbit
clever mortar
Could be worse, could be Italy where I'd swear the goal is to hit other cars or pedestrians
clever mortar
Driving on the wrong side is only a problem out in the sticks, when there's nothing else around
One US trip, I left the "hotel" and headed towards my first meeting for the day, and about 2 miles down the road saw the truck coming towards me on my side of the road
That's when I realised I was on the wrong side 😄
clear ferry
😂 😂 😂
unreal orbit
That sounds like a bad dream
clear ferry
I love the roundabout in Bracknell or thereabouts
clear ferry
That has like six inside the bigger one
clever mortar
Yeah, that's the one
clear ferry
Yeah, that is the one
clever mortar
You can go "the wrong way" around it and freak others out
clear ferry
Best about the UK roundabouts is the 6 stop lights inside them
That confused me the first time
Brb fly to London and drive North to @clever mortar
mystic dagger
Classic: "A wife hears on the radio that a man is driving on the wrong side of the road,and weaving so he doesn't hit any drivers, worried about her husband she calls on him on their cell. "Honey! Oh I heard on the radio that a man is driving on the wrong side of the road and is weaving so he doesn't hit cars. Be careful!" "Oh it's not just one car! There's about a hundred passing me on the wrong side!"
unreal orbit
Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of a roundabout?
clever mortar
Nah, it makes it easier to get through it all
clear ferry
@unreal orbit not with the amount of onturns
Like 10 of them
You would be waiting for hours to get inside the roundabout without them
clever mortar
Think of it as a collection of small roundabouts - because that's what it is
clear ferry
I'll notify you next time I go to the UK @unreal orbit , you can be a passenger 😛
unreal orbit
I have very limited experience with roundabouts, as do most people around here. People never know who has the right of way and it's very frustrating.They just stop in the middle of the roundabout 🤦
clever mortar
Just make sure to get out to Dorset, or up to Scotland, so you can have fun driving in roads that are only a little wider than your car, with a 60 MPH limit 😄
clear ferry
Like most of Northern Norway then @clever mortar
unreal orbit
I think my wife and I will be heading to Scotland next Fall. Thanks for the early anxiety 👍
clear ferry
But add copious amounts of snow
clever mortar
The central belt is nothing special
It's only if you get out into the rest of Scotland that it gets interesting, and pretty
clear ferry
Renting a car then? @unreal orbit
unreal orbit
Most probably
clever mortar
Pirate chest preferred 😉
unreal orbit
If there's one thing I hate more than driving a car, it's being driven in a car by someone else. I always try to avoid renting when traveling, but a place like Scotland is kinda necessary to rent
clear ferry
The one thing i don't understand is people who bring their left/right hand drive car to the opposite country, that would mess me up
unreal orbit
Everyone should just ride motorcycles. Then there would be no confusion 😉
clear ferry
Or like the Swedes who drove right hand cars left side, then just decided to change one day at 12 o clock
unreal orbit
At least they corrected their mistake of driving on the wrong side 🤷
low harness
Yeah, that was... weird.
Really annoying at the borders too.
It's said. I wasn't there.
clear ferry
My father told me driving to Sweden was.... Interesting
scenic radish
can you imagine somehow not knowing about the change and wondering wtf is going on when driving after the change happened?
clear ferry
static plinth
I got to drive through New York City right after hurricane Sandy, as a one-day work event I was putting on had brought me in the area. Nobody had any gas but since I was driving from out-of-state I did and so I was the only car on the road. Being able to drive the speed limit down the highway in New York City is a cool feeling. Also everyone showed up to the event because they had nothing better to do, it was near a train stop.
mystic dagger
My parents were visiting me in Massachusetts from Long Island when Sandy hit...sent them home with a car full of filled portable gas containers, aka rolling fireball.
late gate
been playing with the google coral thingy with frigate. Seem to work much better than image processing method in ha as it analyze a series of images. Not the paranoid of people in the yard can be 100%
low harness
Apparently, you had to get special covers for the headlights, because the right (except in Sweden pre. -63) is aimed slightly higher.
clever mortar
You can get those in the UK for driving in mainland Europe
low harness
But driving on the left isn't so bad. Just take a few days to practice at home before going abroad and you'll be fine.
clever mortar
Hell, I've done it with no practice often enough
You just need to flip your brain and you'll be fine 😛
low harness
...getting a good delivery is hard over only text... The Simpsons did it better.
clear ferry
light trout
Autoformat with black 😉
hearty depot
🤦 [~] # cat /etc/shadow guest:$1$$ysap7EeB9ODCrO46Psdbq/:14233:0:99999:7::: httpdusr:!:17665:0:99999:7:::
an guest account with the password guest.. I hate qnap
but when you find one on shodan with ssh enabled - you ll probably be able to log in
asking me if there is sudo with :ALL
hearty depot
finaly have to create a firewall rule to reject traffic from theit IP's
scenic radish
@clear ferry "sorry shodan bois, got this shit locked up tite"
i have one port forwarding rule set up, and it's to my xbox to try to achieve the ever elusive open NAT. don't want to enable upnp. so i guess i'm relying on microsoft to keep the console secure
hushed basalt
What is shodan
@clear ferry don't talk shit about my beautiful python :D
Better than javascripts lack of trailing commas
Or every other languages redundant curly braces and semi colons
scenic radish
Online port scanning tool
hushed basalt
I did my ip address
It's showing ssh on debian 10 :/
Not sure if that's cached from someone else as my ip is dynamic
If i port scan myself I don't have port 22 open
wet pilot
maybe cached
pure jetty
hey there, is there a community of public scripts?
trying to set up a sunrise mode with my hues and don't really want to go through this process myself 😄
wet pilot
forums?
pure jetty
great idea, thanks!
hushed basalt
@pure jetty try #zigbee-archived
But all you really need is a light.turn_on service with a long transition time
wet pilot
that can get...wonky
thick dragon
@pure jetty That can be achived out of the box with Hue using their hub/software. Don't actually need Home Assistant for that.
rough zenith
anyone familiar with kali linux here?
boreal pewter
That's probably a too generic question. I think to remember it's "just another" Debian based Linux? So administration is just about the same.
If you ask for all the preinstalled tools, well, you may would want to pick a few specific... there are like 100 installed tools?
hushed basalt
Is there a particular reason you want to use a penetration OS
rough zenith
@boreal pewter sorry about that. well, i just installed kali with powershell windows 10 but i can't seem to install xfce4. when i use the command wget https://kali.sh/xfce4.sh, i would get this error:
Retrying.```@hushed basalt i came across a video on youtube which shows that i could snarf a bluetooth device on kali linux using bluesnarf. i was quite interested in trying so here i am. since i have an unused bluetooth device so why not give it a try right? no bad intention, really.
rough zenith
nevermind, got it working already. apparently the method i was using was the old method which didn't work.
boreal pewter
There is nothing bad about Pentesting and a pentest OS at all, it's just a too generic question regarding the OS about 100 preinstalled tools and you just said you have had a pretty specific issue
rose bridge
Does anyone know how I view this option (marked in white and circle)
in visual studio code
@junior forge 😜
young sigil
rose bridge
Thank you @young sigil
midnight adder
What are some good motion sensors? Currently looking at getting more aqara ones at ten bucks a pop
planning on getting at least six so i can detect when people enter and leave rooms
scenic radish
if you're in the US, there are wyze motion sensors for $6 each. you need the starter kit with the bridge for $20 and a custom component to get it to work directly on your hardware without the wyze cam
midnight adder
i'm EU based
oh hey that's the brand that made those two xiaomi ip cams
that I still haven't flashed
shut raptor
anyone have an idea what this connector is called? Came off an outdoor Christmas decoration.
unreal orbit
dirty
shut raptor
thus im replacing it, well actually the wiring broke.
shut raptor
0.15amp 8w
midnight adder
looks like cheap proprietary stuff where they only did the flat bit because of orientation
shut raptor
yeah thats what im thinking. I had a family member ask to source a new one
cause the decoration was over $100
midnight adder
i mean it's literally two bits of metal in plastic
unreal orbit
Why not strip the insulation and fix it yourself?
unreal orbit
If it turns out to be proprietary I would replace the plug entirely with something generic
shut raptor
shut raptor
push it in and then a locking ring around it
unreal orbit
it's for a weather-proof seal
midnight adder
ahhh
shut raptor
right
unreal orbit
Are there screws in the power supply or is it sonic welded?
shut raptor
hmm i think i have one of those actually
welding pretty good
not sure how to open this thing up
unreal orbit
Do you know exactly where the break is?
shut raptor
yup lol
unreal orbit
Yup, that appears to be broken. Good detective work 🤣
shut raptor
lol
unreal orbit
I would use a utility knife to cut away the rubber/plastic around the broken wires (being careful not to damage them further)
midnight adder
idk man have you tried turning it on and off again
unreal orbit
28v8w specifically
solid turtle
Anyone have those xiaomi philips zeeray light bulbs?
midnight adder
I don't but I have xiaomi yeelight bulbs
shut raptor
@unreal orbit not sure why it has to be that im sure its just a string of led lights inside
unreal orbit
Watts are not created equal. You need to match voltage as well
solid turtle
Are the zeeray and yeelight same thing?
Maybe
I wonder how do i connect them to home assistant :D
midnight adder
yeelights allow LAN access and get discovered by HASS automatically
I don't have experience with xiaomi philips bulbs tho
scenic radish
@unreal orbit yep, V x C = W
shut raptor
@unreal orbit did a bit of searching, giig. to be nkr difficult. il cut open the box and see what I can do
low harness
@shut raptor That's a DIN speaker connector, but it's been keyed to, probably, only work with power supplies from the same manufacturer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_connector#Loudspeaker_connector
shut raptor
oh maybe I can find a replacement instead of the whole power supply
@low harness they are a standard size... circumference
low harness
Well, it's Deutsche IndustriNormal. You should be able to find a ridiculously detailed specification somewhere...
15.0 mm in diameter, it seems
shut raptor
okay for $7 for 10 on ebay... worth a shot
low harness
Speaking of standards, my favourite must be DIN 824 - how to fold a sheet of paper.
scenic radish
holy shit you weren't kidding, that's actually a thing lmao
"DIN 824 . . . regulates the standard-compliant execution of the folding of technical drawings to a format better suited for filing."
low harness
Again. German standard. Like their humor, it's no laughing matter.
It's not only funny, but actually useful, btw. It can be used to fold an A0-A3 sheet of paper so it fits in an A4 ring binder, can be un- and refolded single handedly, and leaves the data table of a drawing in view.
scenic radish
oh yeah, it makes perfect sense
it is just funny that there's a standard for folding paper though
clear ferry
Damn Germans
low harness
Even down to the little triangular corner to leave room for the rings
clear ferry
But nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!
scenic radish
{% if reference == understood %}
I understood that reference
{% else %}
wut
{% endif %}
I understood that reference
scenic radish
angryboi pls
clear ferry
scenic radish
thank
clear ferry
I need to take a look at what doods sees on my back porch
I'm pretty sure none of what it sees exists there
amber bramble
...you mean everyone doesn't have a 3 toilets on their porch?
hushed basalt
Wife gave me the green light to buy a 3d printer :+1:
wet pilot
lol she might regret that 😛
scenic radish
"you can't just 3D print replacement parts for everything, you need to buy them sometimes"
you underestimate my power
hushed basalt
spends 16 hours designing a part that cost $8 off ebay
shut raptor
lol or hope someone spent 16 hours already and put it online.
balmy inlet
more like buy printer. spend a week printing "upgrades", buy new electronics/metal parts, print more printer "upgrades", occasionally print something useful
my printer went from being mostly metal to looking like its half made out of plastic, also soo many benchies
hushed basalt
Benchies?
ocean mirage
The little boat print people test with
hushed basalt
I have so much to learn
thick dragon
From everything I've heard, the first 4-6 months is pure learning 😛
thick dragon
Anyone got any recommendations for garage openers/sensors that work well with HA? Not sure if there's a difference, but would need to work with Australian roller doors.
hushed basalt
@thick dragon i use an opengarage.io
It's quite expensive for what it is, an esp8266 with a relay and ultrasonuc distance meter
But it is very easy to get up and running
I don't use the blynk feature in it, just pure HA integration
I've also soldered a reed switch into mine
Check your garage door motors manual for a switch. Basically two wire terminals that when you short it opens/closes the door
Otherwise try #551843558676758569 if you want to make one from generic components
thick dragon
Yeah, the motor does have the terminals. Worked that out by the random wire that was strung into the roof which goes to a spring rocker light switch on the wall 😛
I was considering going with Garaget because it actually uses a laser to verify that the garage has closed. Seems like most of the simple switch-based ones just track that in software.
I guess I could also just use a contact sensor for that.
Garaget is cloud-based unfortunately though 😦
hushed basalt
Reed switches are good too
I put one part on the bottom of the door and one part on the floor
When the door opens the reed switch changes
hidden finch
oh boy...seriously screw nest
i regret that purchase more each day
had to do a recovery (microSD crapped out)
now i cant reauth nest because of nonsense
i cant even log into my nest account on nest.com
good times!
thick dragon
Well I'm logged into my non-migrated Nest account right now...
hidden finch
dunno what to tell you...go to nest.com and log in near the bottom of the page
did that
and i get spinning login wheel of death
thick dragon
Clear cache/open a incognito window and try again.
hidden finch
same outcome
thick dragon
🤷 Works fine for me - so definitely something on your end. Perhaps try on mobile/4G instead of your home net.
hidden finch
hah it was chrome
firefox was fine 🙂
well anyway still looks like there are no great choices out there for a thermostat
thick dragon
I live in Australia, so thermostats aren't necessary - but from all I've heard, Ecobee is your best option. Unfortunately cloud-polling.
hidden finch
yeah im not in love with ecobee for that reason
cloud polling isn't great
i'd go zwave but it doesnt seem like any of the models out there are great
this one looks like what ill go with... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KQS35XA/ref=psdc_2054378011_t3_B072JY98VG
scenic radish
Not sure if you saw what I said above about the ecobee and HomeKit controller
hidden finch
any suggestions for a smoke/co detector?
hmm interesting
on the homekit controller s tuff
scenic radish
Yeah it's cool
hidden finch
if i can control temp and home/away status
scenic radish
Local control.
hidden finch
ill be set
scenic radish
So you can't do home/away...but I just have setpoints for that
hidden finch
but quite honestly, i should go with a cheaper thermostat if that's all i need
hidden finch
i already figured out the logic to use remote temp sensors and run the thermostat off of them
scenic radish
Ah nice
hidden finch
you'll see an artifical bump if you look at the thermostat
but it works
it works with my nest but it seems like i cant get the auth code to re-enable my nest anymore
scenic radish
That's no good
thick dragon
I'm effectively making my own climate control system using Home Assistant. 3xHue motion sensors for temperature sensors + Broadlink RM Minis/Harmony for sending commands to wall units.
scenic radish
Oof...those hue motion sensors aren't super accurate as far as temp
scenic radish
But I suppose if you "calibrate" them with template sensors it works
thick dragon
That's fine. I'll work out the offset 🙂
scenic radish
Exactly
hushed basalt
My xiaomi sensors seem reasonably accurate
Although I havent actually checked out accurate they are
But they seem to line up with what I expect
hidden finch
im kinda surprised how few smoke detector options there are
thick dragon
I don't mind having my Nest smoke alarms disconnected from HA. Can still control everything I need via their native app.
hidden finch
ive got a couple as well
hmm might have found a way to reuse the old auth tokens for the thermostat
hah! it worked
lame as hell but whatever i guess
now time to figure out why my google maps card doesnt work anymore
😦
thick dragon
Think they recently reduced free tier API call limits drastically.
hidden finch
looks like ill have to ditch it for something e lse
scenic radish
The only smoke detector I know besides the nest protect is the ZCOMBO one. Uses Z-wave
thick dragon
There's also the Xiaomi one. Not sure how well integrated it is though.
boreal pewter
Any idea for the best data recovery tool? Specifically regarding Android picture restore after a reset?
violet mica
@hidden finch If you're on the EU Z-Wave frequency ... Take at look at these Aeotec/POPP smoke detectors - they have a optional mains connection. I'll be ordering some later this year for a project. They also have CO detectors https://www.popp.eu/products/sensors/smoke-sensor/
light trout
code has documentation? 😮
low harness
Sure. It's called "the compiler source"
fading zodiac
my cover is retarded...
I tell it to go to 50 (position)
So what does it do?
So i figured, maybe that .set_cover_pos starts counting from 0 (0 = 1 ) so it would stop at 99 when completed, but NOOOO
Owell
clear ferry
😂
scenic radish
have you tried this?
entity_id: cover.light_2
position: 50, please
No
I adapted to it's "disability" and added some code just checking if its arround it
instead of && (states['cover.light_2'].attributes.current_position == 50)
i changed it to
&& (states['cover.light_2'].attributes.current_position < 52)
should use state_attr() instead if you don't want exceptions if the entity or attr don't exist
also, might need to cast to int. you might be doing string math
boreal pewter
Mh maybe should read channel topic
wet pilot
also that
clear ferry
lusty hare
I used to carry a TV B Gone in my pocket. You've never seen the guys at Best Buy work so hard to figure out why their 50 foot wall of TVs kept turning itself off.
https://www.tvbgone.com/
No need for physical access.. so more subtle 🙂
strange vapor
Had an app on an older phone with IR that did the same.
Can't remember the name of it, and that category is full of ad ridden bloatware these days 😦
scenic radish
just wanted to share this classic clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qgehH3kEQ
clear ferry
I still do that on my Huawei p20 Pro that has IR
hushed finch
Hey all - hopefully someone can point me in the right direction. I'm looking for a high level "beginner friendly" understanding of what they are and a comparison of why you would use mqtt vs zigbee vs wifi vs <insert protocol here>.
my googling has failed me so far
unreal orbit
mqtt is not a wireless protocol
hushed finch
see
that's my point - all these protocol names and no consolidated point of reference to start
at least, one that I haven't found
I'm talking "Idiots guide to ..." kind of explanation while I wrap my brain around everything
scenic radish
zigbee/z-wave is good for devices that don't use a lot of bandwidth (smart plugs, lights, etc.). helps keep your wi-fi network from being potentially clogged up with lots of clients (although i'm not sure if that's an overblown concern or not).
unreal orbit
https://inovelli.com/z-wave-vs-zigbee-vs-bluetooth-vs-wifi-smart-home-technology/ first google result
scenic radish
☝
hushed finch
oh so the fact that this is dated 2016 really doesn't come into play yet
got it
that was my mistake
hearty depot
nice.. When the Wife shuts down the pi wich is controling the Lights and then complains that the lights dont turn off 🤣
unreal orbit
@scenic radish it is most certainly not an overblown concern. I went the wifi route to start with and I regret ~75% of my device choices. Having over 30 clients can be fine, until one of them decides to pull a lot of bandwidth (like a camera). Then everything goes to shit very quickly
scenic radish
good to know
i have ~22 active clients at one time, 5 of which are smart plugs. thankfully i have philips hue so my lighting is on a zigbee network
unreal orbit
Some is fine, using it as your main wireless iot protocol is a bad move imo. The 30 clients are just my iot clients, that doesn't include user devices
I think it's perfectly reasonable to spread out your devices between several wireless protocols
scenic radish
yeah, absolutely
unreal orbit
Once I switch my cameras to ethernet I expect to see a massive increase in reliability. But we'll see...
unreal orbit
They just suck up more bandwidth than my AP can handle with so many clients. If they would just behave and stay on the 5ghz band it wouldn't be an issue, unfortunately I am too lazy to turn off band steering and split it into 2 APs. Now when they decide to grab the 2.4ghz band all of my devices lose reliability
scenic radish
ah interesting
i guess there is an advantage to having separate SSIDs for 2.4 and 5 ghz for some use cases
i always thought it was a n00b move
unreal orbit
It's very surprising to me that unifi doesn't allow you to define which band a device is steered to
(without splitting into 2 SSIDs)
amber ice
Anyone want to help me securing my MQTT via SSL?
strange vapor
Twitter
clear ferry
@unreal orbit no band steering? Jesus 2007 called
No wonder I never hear of this unifi stuff
unreal orbit
It has band steering... just not per device
What access point do you recommend that has this capability?
scenic radish
so i just got an email about the zappos data breach settlement... my compensation is in the form of a very generous 10% off coupon for their website lmao
clear ferry
Per client? Any hpe access point the last 10 years and my el cheapo Linksys mesh points have it too
lusty hare
I run a Unifi network with about 50 clients. My light switches (leviton wifi) have cheap wifi chips and I had funky behavior all the time until I switched off meshing. I installed APs in the proper places with the right strength instead and I never had problems again. Might be worth trying.
The main one has about 20 clients on it, including 2 live cameras. No problems to report at all.
And yeah no band steering per device.
static plinth
So when unifi doesn't have meshing how does device handoff go like if you have a cell phone going from one end of the house to the other?
lusty hare
It just migrates from AP to AP no issues.
unreal orbit
I mean... it's not a hardware limitation. The hardware is good, they just need to fix the software
static plinth
I guess the ssids don't have to be the same or do they?
This is what happens when you are not an idea. Do your smart home installer, basic questions like this
lusty hare
Each AP broadcasts all SSIDs is the way I have it setup. They use different MAC addresses, so the phone knows which is which and it just picks whichever is the strongest.
hidden finch
sweeeeeeet. got my rpi3 running off of a SSD via USB
running HA of course 🙂
no more burning through microSD cards
what i love is that i dont even need to have the microSD card plugged in
downside is it seems that the rpi doesnt like if you have multiple USB drives plugged in with this config
so ill need to rethink my backup method
unreal orbit
Now I get to explain to Unifi tech support speaking barely-English that band-steering without single device exceptions makes their band-steering "feature" virtually unusable.
lusty hare
I talk to them through the forum. They are quite responsive and you get to talk to the actual developers.
scenic radish
nightmare fuel
midnight adder
if you unfocus your chat window they change
scenic radish
i just noticed that lmao
even just moving the cursor over your messages changes your avatar
midnight adder
yeah turns out discord specced their gif support really well
my avatar is a 2-frame gif with looping turned off so when you hover discord plays it and stops on the last frame
scenic radish
interesting...i was wondering how that worked
fading zodiac
Afaik a ssid only transmits on 1 band?
scenic radish
you can have the same ssid for both frequencies
fading zodiac
I know that
but i mean per device
You should only use wireless if you have no choice imho
jade heron
This one was funny 👍
scenic radish
action:
- service: ordnance.detonate
entity_id: vacuum.roomba
attack pattern delta-5
hushed basalt
Evasive maneuvers
clear ferry
Oh no, it's a cloaked Klingon Bird Of Pray
hushed basalt
🐦 of 🙏
clear ferry
Yeah, I got it working fine
But it didn't stay that way
So I migrated back into until I get more coverage
clever mortar
I've had a love/hate/love relationship with it
When it's good, it's very good. When it's bad, 
clear ferry
I love the project, the problem is me I think 
clever mortar
It has many rough edges - a bit like HA in the early days
midnight adder
i'll probably get some additional sticks along with more rpis
my apartment is small and right now I only use it for tradfri bulbs
clear ferry
Yeah, I have a 25 meter long house with three floors
midnight adder
i have 75 square meters single floor
clear ferry
But apparently my 40 IKEA bulbs are not good enough routers
midnight adder
kitchen, bedroom, hallway and living room which was originally two rooms
do tradfri bulbs mesh?
clear ferry
Yeah
midnight adder
oh thats neat
clear ferry
Nice, just took 30 minutes to find a parking spot
Disability checks were delivered yesterday
pliant forge
Really like it too, too bad I can’t still get my IKEA bulbs to pair correctly 😕
midnight adder
they're pairing in one go for me
Hey does anyone know how I can make my yeelights stop getting discovered as homekit devices?
I don't have homekit nor do I intend to use it
plus I already have them configured properly
clever mortar
midnight adder
you should consider renaming this channel offtopic because this is the ***th time you referred me to a different channel
clever mortar
Well, it's in the channel topic...
You've only yourself to blame for not learning to read 😛
midnight adder
also its kinda silly that i cant post screenshots in the support channels except for beta
clever mortar
Because too many idiots post code as images
midnight adder
okay those people need slaps
clever mortar
We still have that, but at least they don't flood the channels with images
midnight adder
anyways got all the ikea bulbs hooked up without a problem so that's cool
pliant forge
Same with zwave2mqtt
midnight adder
if it ends up not working out for me I'll just ditch the lamps I guess
majority of my house is yeelight
I would've used yeelight here as well if it wasn't for the fact that ikea used three different sockets on these damn lamps
E27 on top with GU10/E14 on the reading part depending on how old the lamp is
this guy here
clear ferry
Lol
clear ferry
You changed parents 10 years ago? How are the new ones?
clear ferry
Murica
So I'm going to Houston two weeks in January, who lives there? 😂
Maybe I should do a week in London after that, wife will surely approve
hushed basalt
@clear ferry the cc2531 really needs an external antenna
I put a tradfri bulb next to mine though
Seems to be holding it up until i get an antenna
clear ferry
All were on the zigbee2mqtt mesh
midnight adder
did anyone ever make a big catalog of home assistant supported devices
I know we have the big component list but that doesn't really tell you which devices they work with
clear ferry
Not that I know of, but probably better asked in #330944238910963714
light trout
Many have tried, not sure of any that stuck
clear ferry
The endless database of stuff ™️
midnight adder
i don't like that this server doesn't have a channel for homeassistant related lounge talk
only support
midnight adder
I should figure out the google fit rest api and hook that up
naive slate
Nice that looks pretty good
clear ferry
It's 18:37 here and almost pitch dark
midnight adder
@clear ferry which ones you got?
midnight adder
hrm aliexpress only has kkmoon breathalyzers
clear ferry
They are still showing one hour off though
midnight adder
duhua shows up
clear ferry
Yeah, I bought it via wish like 1.5 year ago
midnight adder
it's too bad the xiaomi cams can't be flashed anymore
clear ferry
They don't have any Poe ones anyway?
midnight adder
nah theyre all usb
clear ferry
Not interested 😛
static plinth
Anyone have sonos hooked up as a microphone input to Discord?
I'm just wondering if its possible before heading off to Google
midnight adder
if you can somehow route the audio of that mic to your pc you should be able to
i have a soundboard hooked up to discord for example, using voicemeeter banana
scenic radish
So apparently the pronunciation of the /etc directory is something people argue about... I've always read it as "et cetera" but others say "et see."
Discuss.
scenic radish
English. Good point, I hadn't considered maybe it's just a difference between US and UK English
clever mortar
Well, there's "British" English, vs London, vs Glasgow, vs Bristol, vs...
And then the areas of those cities 😛
scenic radish
Ah interesting... I didn't know that
scenic radish
We have different accents in the US but it's all US English. Unless some different phrases count lol
Huh. That's pretty fascinating actually
clever mortar
Yeah, but I bet you somebody from Alabama and somebody from Texas are going to pronounce things differently by quite a way 😉
clever mortar
Same here, only maybe slightly more extreme in places
scenic radish
Although in the south they call everything a Coke...
clever mortar
I have colleagues from London who don't understand a word I say if I'm talking to somebody else from Glasgow
It's still English, just not as you know it 😛
clever mortar
Oh yea, UK dialects can be crazy
scenic radish
If I ever find the time to travel outside the US I'll keep that in mind lol
I'm guessing I might as well be speaking a different language too in some cases then?
Depending on where I'd go
clever mortar
Yeah, and what taxi driver you get 😄
scenic radish
That's alright, I'll take an Uber 😉
scenic radish
Lmao
light trout
@clever mortar please keep it in english here
light trout
😂
clever mortar
Trying to keep that up is hard, spoken the patter is natural, writing it is hard...
clear ferry
My English is on fleek
Proper British, but if I speak to Americans I sounds incredibly camp
boreal pewter
Muricans will just have to live with that, we have to live with them either 😛
round oyster
Question regarding upgrades, do you guys think it's worth upgrading my Pi2B to a Pi4 or 3B? I feel like because of that I have some latency in my system using ZigBee
strange vapor
No comparison between Pi4 and Pi2B in terms of performance. The extra RAM helps as well.
Have moved my HA off a Pi onto a proper server I already had, but I have a Pi4 happily playing 4K videos with Kodi 😄
scenic radish
@dusty oracle should remove it, no self-promotion. See rule 6
dusty oracle
@scenic radish sorry. done
hushed basalt
Does anyone know of any reliable devices which can act as a wireless AC bridge
So to connect an ethernet only device to my wireless network
brisk glen
Um.. raspberry pi 4?
sand mesa
Yes. It’s a thing.
Has anybody used a Pi 4? It looks like the software is out of beta. Oh wait, it’s not GA but RC. So close to being fully baked.
does it work well? Stable and all that? Are there issues with device support? I would be using Z wave devices mostly.
if I’m in the wrong channel kindly direct me to the right place to post this question. Thanks 🙏
@brisk glen https://www.home-assistant.io/hassio/installation/
https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/
brisk glen
No idea about hassio
sand mesa
It appears that support for the 4 is RC which if you’re not a software geek means a release candidate which is before version 1.0 so to speak
brisk glen
I run my own setup
sand mesa
Gotcha, but on a Pi board?
sand mesa
Ubuntu or something?
I’m just curious so I would be interested in the advantages of your set up, unless it’s just history like that’s all you could do when you started kind of thing because the more plug-and-play solutions wasn’t available yet
wet pilot
kube still needs docker
brisk glen
No
sand mesa
I’m brand new. Got hardware purchased.
brisk glen
@wet pilot you can kube without docker
sand mesa
So if you can, in a sentence or two what’s better about using docker containers and raspiian
wet pilot
never have to worry about managing your python versions / package compatibility
brisk glen
Think of setting up a software stack manually
All of those packages that need to be installed
All of that configuration
sand mesa
So is raspian the native is and you run the containers “on it?”
Yeah I’m a software gig so I’m familiar with Dr. concepts and composing containers… I haven’t done it but I know what you’re talking about
brisk glen
Docker runs on any Linux based os
sand mesa
If so then what are you running inside the container
brisk glen
You basically run HA in a container
Not a vm but a super lightweight container
When done right, the resource usage is like 5 mb of ram per container with native speeds
brisk glen
No
brisk glen
Pi >> OS >> container managed by docker / kube etc
Alpine Linux inside the container
Ha
Docker compose install? Native or near native speeds
Kube? I’ll get back to you on that
sand mesa
Thanks dude… I’ll do some reading
I’ve heard really good things about Alpine Linux, especially for containers
brisk glen
But, you need to know what the hell you are doing first