All driven mainly by my wife who wants one place to "turn off all those damn lights these kids leave on" when she leaves the house.
#the-water-cooler
strange vapor
Basically, the KISS principle?
orchid rose
that VGA story reminds me of the VGA->Scart adapters that I used to build to get proper quality image on a CRT TV instead of s-video which was absolute garbage (it cut down half the vertical lines for starters)
iirc it used to only work on ATI cards as nvidia didn't have the 5V output in theirs and had somewhat limiting drivers as well. I could be wrong though, it was a while ago
still have comparison pictures saved for some reason 🙂 http://www.framecompare.com/screenshotcomparison/D77GGNNX
odd mason
@azure frost i don't think your issue is snips
Try playing TTS just from home assistant on your speaker
Use the TTS service... Does that work? If not, your issue is home assistant related
The sound effects you're hearing when activating snips comes from snips. And since that is working snips is working. Look into permission issues for the files that your TTS is creating
azure frost
How do I get it just to play? I have never heard anything from smart home other then the beeping sound? @odd mason
Even when im not useing snips its silent
azure frost
Thats what we have in the tts config
Still silent
I can send information about my config if that haleps
jaunty summit
Good afternoon! I'm looking to use zwave+ sensors in and around the house. What brands have you guys had the least amount of problems? I grabbed the aeontech USB GW gen5 if that makes a difference?
clear ferry
@jaunty summit #zwave-archived is probably better
clever mortar
Keep in mind that people aren't waiting 24x7 for your questions. Silence means nobody is around.
orchid rose
I've always assumed there's 2602 mean people here
That number is pretty impressive btw 
clear ferry
No, we are only 42 assholes, the rest of the guys are ok 🤷
valid halo
I'm a meanie. I'll google your question and spam links at you
I think I might make a fresh start on Home Assistant. I think that might help rekindle my passion. I didn't have much stuff set up on it anyways
dull belfry
Any chance that someone has integrated Plex with Google Home?
I'm trying to setup the webversion of Flex TV (app.phlexchat.com)
I can't find solid documentation on how to set this up and the app is very beta
trail viper
hello?
clever mortar
trail viper
So do most people use this as an irc and just type?
clever mortar
Well, you could try yelling at the keyboard and hope that works... 😉
Unless you enabled voice to text though, probably not
And yes, this is chat, just like all the other chat systems, except where it's not
trail viper
seems like discord is trying to get me to setup my headset. Was not sure why
orchid rose
It also has voice channels
clever mortar
Only if you wanted to use the largely ignored voice channels
orchid rose
no dcc sending though 😦
clever mortar
Voice is fine if you've got the time to dedicate to it, and can get past regional accents, and that everybody's English is different
At least when typed, those things are normally easier to deal with
trail viper
👍
orchid rose
the voice channels are more useful for gaming communities and such. Best part about discord is that it caters to a lot of needs
trail viper
So just got home assistant up and running. Some how manage to set the correct time zone
clever mortar
Take a minute now to read the channel topics 😉
trail viper
the map, and weather are off. trying to figure out how to get the weather set correctly
clever mortar
(hint, you're in the wrong room)
trail viper
woops. forgot i changed to lounge to ask the voice stuff
clever mortar
The channel names give a hint, and the topic explains more
gritty jewel
@strange vapor Yeah, KISS. Except I'm not sure anything about HA follows that... 🙂
valid halo
HA is very simple. You just go in. Type some YAML. Then realize you made an error. Go type some more YAML...
gritty jewel
repeat.
strange vapor
Now with a side of json in the .storage directory!
gritty jewel
Ah, but JSON is just ugly YAML, isn't it?
clever mortar
Or is YAML ugly JSON?
strange vapor
Dealing with trying out a commercial product, which shall remain nameless to protect the guilty, where the API doesn't allow configuration, so started looking at how it stores it's config. It's config is an sqlite database, where each tab you see in the UI is it's own config_* table. The table is a simple key value store with the config option name and a blob, generally base64 encoded. When decoded we've found everything from ini-style to json, to yaml to pickle and some other binary shite we haven't figured out yet.
HA is child's play compared to it!
clever mortar
I remember recently working with some colleagues trying to extract the config from a device. The exported config was some "strange binary blob". Turned out to be a compressed file with most of the compression header missing...
strange vapor
That's actually fairly common, possibly some commercial library which offers the functionality 🙂
low harness
Makes perfect sense, really.
strange vapor
Fortunately, the product I've mentioned above is NOT going to get past testing. The team I'm on value being able to repeatably deploy software in multiple regions without having to hand hold anything, which is simply not possible with this piece of crap. The sales person also really rubbed some people up the wrong way much to disgust of his own sales engineer who seemed quite happy to see someone call out their BS!
dire tusk
Does anyone know if I can force a binary sensor to change state? I'm using a Xiaomi Motion sensor and when I press a button I'd like the camera to be changed to motion clear
vast dove
glossy mortar
I'm in the process of automating the power for my microwave oven. Gosund power sensing switch, plus a Aqara door sensor on the door.
I've truly ventured into the territory of wholly unnecessary.
glossy mortar
Oof, good thing too. The thing pulls 2 watts of standby power.
glossy mortar
Show-off thread worthy? https://github.com/DarkFox/ha-config/commit/4a07003ee3c21068536a408d603e3b34f5eb9eb8
glossy mortar
Meh, it's been done.
😛
(Though apparently, that's super useful for some people with disabilities, so I won't knock it).
strange vapor
Next step is a little bot to grab the ingredients and load the microwave 😉
glossy mortar
Oh wouldn't that just be nifty.
modest sentinel
I want to get a bunch of smart switches and I've been floundering on what to get... there's a deal right now on Zooz Z-wave plus switches for $24, but maybe there's something better/cheaper?
azure frost
last plaza
@modest sentinel z-wave sucks - my personal opinion. Have fiddled with them long enough to vouch not to go with them. I have about 35+ devices, shit is failing slowly, and not going to replace them.
I have had better luck with WiFi based switches like TP-Link Kasa. Never had any issues with them so far, pretty reliable. Even Wemo sucks to certain extent
again, my personal opinion, take it with a grain of salt.
humble pond
@modest sentinel - I’ve got the Zooz S2 switches for my 4-way lights and they work just fine. Great to have because they don’t require companion switches. The network can be finicky though like @last plaza said. Mine is pretty solid now with 20+ mains powered devices and the controller in a central location.
modest sentinel
thanks for the opinions! I never liked z-wave but couldn't find zigbee for a good price and I've been unsure of wifi
@azure frost that looks like a much better price than the "deal" i saw: https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/products/zooz-z-wave-plus-dimmer-light-switch-zen22?variant=25044771144
modest sentinel
what's the deal with the "companion switches" @humble pond ?
modest sentinel
basically i want to replace a bunch of switches / dimmers with something smart, and some of the switches have multiple switches (like, 2 or 3 in various parts of the house for the same lights)
azure frost
Hmm
modest sentinel
the ones you linked could do the job?
azure frost
Maybe no clue just what I found after quick googleing
humble pond
So for the ones with 2 switches (top/bottom of stairs) you only replace 1 with a smart switch. The GE and HomeSeer switches require a $20 addon switch for the other switch.
It’s on a rocker like the smart switch is, so it’s more aesthetically pleasing.
Zooz only requires you to replace the switch with power in the box, not the other one.
modest sentinel
for instance, my kitchen lights have 3 switches and my hallway has 3, i primarily use one of them but occasionally the others. If I just replace one on each circuit I can still fully automate / control them?
humble pond
Yes, but the one with 3 switches you will need these:
https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/collections/light-switches/products/zooz-z-wave-plus-s2-on-off-wall-switch-zen26-with-simple-direct-3-way-4-way
It’s called a 4-way setup. 3 switches + 1 lighting circuit = 4-way circuit.
modest sentinel
so replace one dumb switch with that and the whole lighting setup is now "smart", but if i went with the other options I'd have to replace them all (or get companion switches)
humble pond
I’ve got a couple of those in my house. I use Inovelli for my 2-way and 3-way circuits, but they don’t support the 4-way circuits, so I bought the ones I linked above for upstairs and downstairs hallway which has the 3 switches. Works fine. Nothing to write home about, but I guess that’s what you want in switches... something that you install and forget about 😂
Yeah, but you can’t put 2 smart switches on the same circuit, because you only have power going into one of the boxes, and smart switches need to always have direct current.
The companion/addon switches from GE/HomeSeer will have you wore them a bit differently.
If you go Z-Wave and don’t care about having 1-2 “dumb” switches still around the house, the Zooz switches are fine.
Some of the smart switches have scene control though (double, tripple tap, etc) which you can automate to do different things like turn on/of your TV through Home Assistant.
The Zooz switches don’t support that.
So my HomeSeer dimmer switch in the living room can be used to power on my entire entertainment center and set the lights to 20% when I double tap up and trigger the “movie” scene in Home Assistant.
And then turn everything off when I double tap down.
I’ve used that functionality all of one time when I set it up a year ago though 🤣
Could have saved money and just bought a regular smart dimmer without scene control.
modest sentinel
yeah I have no interest in scene control, the object is to make it seem like nothing has changed, except I can occasionally say "hey google, turn on this light" or do automations
the problem with my house is I don't think there's more than just a few switches that are alone
most are in a circuit of two or three
humble pond
Then get the $23 switches for everywhere except the circuits with 3 switches... then get the $26 ones.
modest sentinel
is "3 way" not a 3 switch setup?
pliant forge
I have some inovelli, some GE and some zooz. I like the inovelis the best.
humble pond
If you do the whole house, then you shouldn’t have any z-wave network problems because you’ve got repeaters everywhere (famous last words)
No, the light is one of those ways.
modest sentinel
so 3 switches and a light is 4, got it
humble pond
This is a 3-way circuit.
humble pond
You could cap them off and put in a blank plate 😂
modest sentinel
ugh this house already has so many of them, and I'm having all the coax ports removed tomorrow to put in cat6 so might end up with even MORE lol
humble pond
I did that in my dining room because one of the switches is behind a cabinet, and I wanted a HomeSeer dimmer in there without spending the extra $20 on the addon switch.
humble pond
That’s a question for someone else. I pulled the z-wave trigger and haven’t looked back. Didn’t want light switches on the same network as my computers with possible back-doors to the WWW. 🤷🏻♂️
velvet horizonBOT
modest sentinel
i like zigbee over zwave but that's purely experience with connecting devices and nothing with the technical capabilities
sand mesa
Thanks rappo
humble pond
Unless you have a good router that can segment your network and firewall off internet access for your light switches, I would steer clear from WiFi, but I also have a tin foil hat I like to wear from time to time.
Zigbee is fine.
modest sentinel
a little paranoia is healthy imo
humble pond
The same 3/4 way and companion switch thing applies there too.
sand mesa
Nothing wrong with a little paranoia 😏
modest sentinel
the only wifi device i have is my nanoleaf lol
well beyond the obvious wifi devices you use everyday, obviously
google homes etc
@sand mesa I bought a husbzb-1 and put it in my nas, run HA in a docker and it's been great
never looked back
used wink and ST previously
unrelated, i need to figure out how my gate works. There's a call button and if you press it you hear a ring sound, but nothing in the house happens
humble pond
@sand mesa Zigbee and Z-Wave are interchangeable. Home Assistant’s Zigbee integration is actively maintained (ZHA) where it’s Z-wave integration could use some love.
modest sentinel
@sand mesa my house came with a boxed Ring doorbell, but there's literally no way for someone to get access to my door. I'm going to sell it when i get a moment so if that's interesting to you let me know lol
humble pond
So starting from scratch, it might be better to go Zigbee, or better yet, get a USB stick that can do both and buy the thing on sale 😉
modest sentinel
the usb i linked was recommended heavily by this community and does both 🙂
i have a ton of zigbee lights, a few zigbee sensors, and some z-wave plugin switches
humble pond
Yeah, it wasn’t out when I started my setup, so I have the Aeotek. It works, but I’m married to Z-wave now.
modest sentinel
i bought a few wyze cams and for the price they're good but man does the rtsp support suck
they need to be rebooted constantly
sand mesa
@humble pond - I am starting brand new. Okay. I think that was my second choice to look at. Thx
are you saying you would go to Ziggy now if you have not started with zwave?
humble pond
Maybe? I don’t really regret my choice.
sand mesa
Oh okay.
do you guys use IFTTT much?
humble pond
Just because it’s unsupported doesn’t mean it won’t work. Also, sticking with one protocol has it’s advantages in that mains powered devices act as repeaters to extend the range of your network.
My house is 4000 sq ft, so that definitely is important.
But they are for all intents and purposes the same thing.
modest sentinel
i just moved from 900sqft to 2000sqft, I can't imagine 4000 😮
sand mesa
I know right. That’s McMansion size lol
modest sentinel
3 bedroom with an open plan for the kitchen/living/dining and vaulted ceilings so it feels crazy open
modest sentinel
i want to get one of those bot vacs that maps the house and can empty its own bin
my current botvac d80 or whatever has a small bin
sand mesa
So if you have any specific device recommendations for binary sensors, bulbs, motion sensors, cameras,… The usual beginner stuff, please let me know what you like
Probably will go with zwave
humble pond
I actually don’t have one running right now. And yeah, it’s a lot of space, but great when the kids are in the bonus room and I can’t hear them in the living room.
modest sentinel
@sand mesa if had to start over (and I basically am, I just have maybe 15+ smart bulbs already) I would replace switches and NOT bulbs. Put in dumb dimmable led bulbs in everything. Smart RGB bulbs where you know you want rgb
humble pond
Is your place pre-wired for a security system?
sand mesa
Mine is. It’s fried and ancient
modest sentinel
i have sylvania rgbw led strips for my desk and some ambient light I made out of an old sdss telescope plate
sand mesa
But there are wires
modest sentinel
and some rgb bulbs in lamps as well
humble pond
Mine was, so I got some cheep recessed contact sensors for the door and have an ESP 8266 running Konnected firmware to tie them into HA. All in cost me $40.
sand mesa
Ooooooooo 40 sounds nice
humble pond
modest sentinel
since I brought it up and I still am very happy with it, this is my SDSS plate ambient light 😄 https://www.reddit.com/r/spaceporn/comments/bhq7rc/i_created_an_ambient_light_out_of_an_sdss/
i need to wall mount that
humble pond
If your system already has contacts in the doors, you just have to pop the ESP into your alarm panel and connect the wires.
If not, they are cheap on Amazon.
They are nicer than the z-wave/zigbee ones in my opinion because they are hidden and not warts adhered to the doors/windows.
So take advantage of that if it’s already wired.
modest sentinel
lol, door warts
sand mesa
Yeah it has really simple plunger mechanical switches. I’m not sure if that’s the actual description but picture a spring loaded button that releases when the door opens.
That project looks cool 😎
That’s a cool light 💡
modest sentinel
thanks 🙂
sand mesa
Spaceport 😂
humble pond
Yeah, the github mentions smart things, but there is a Home Assistant integration too.
sand mesa
So I’ve been curious about smart things but my impression is that it requires a cloud connection? Only curious because the hub is cheap and supports a lot of protocols
humble pond
Yeah, it requires an internet connection, and smart things cloud is know to go down from time/to-time.
sand mesa
Okay. Suspicion confirmed. Will steer clear
modest sentinel
i got a zigbee temp sensor for the chicken coop i just built (we have 5 1-week old pullets) and I was worried that zigbee wouldnt reach, but I moved them to the detached garage today and the sensor is still working
humble pond
But it’s a lot more consumer friendly than Home Assistant... I’d probably install it at my parents house before Home Assistant.
HA is getting there though.
modest sentinel
ST has "local control" in theory but if your internet goes down it's a pain
sand mesa
I gotcha. I’m a software developer and system integrator, so I’m good. But I get what you mean. I wouldn’t put HA in a “muggles” house
modest sentinel
@sand mesa do you have an Nvidia Shield TV? they make a really cheap smartthings dongle for it, which is what I used before switching to HA
sand mesa
Nope.
modest sentinel
lol my mom today asked me to link her the temp sensor I used for the chickens so she can put it in her coop, and I'm like uhhhh go on amazon and just look for a wireless one
sand mesa
I have a Samsung and a TCL
modest sentinel
its not muggle friendly
sand mesa
Is she gonna run a fan based on the temp or something “smart”
modest sentinel
@humble pond or anyone really, do you have any setup for bluetooth devices? my smoker is cooking some short ribs as we speak, but I'm currently out of BT range and it would be awesome to have that info/control in HA
no, just wants to know the temp
sand mesa
Gotcha
humble pond
Also, I started with a 3b+ but quickly switched to a NUC as I built the TensorFlow integration and installed PoE cameras.
modest sentinel
you dont really need to do anything like that for chickens, they're pretty resilient
sand mesa
I may have drooled a little just now 🤤
humble pond
I don’t do anything with Bluetooth at the moment, but when 5.1 starts getting software support I plan on jumping on the direction finding train for a presence detection. cm accuracy? Yes please!
modest sentinel
ok i think im going to pull the trigger on a few of these z-wave switches and hope I dont electrocute myself trying to replace them since I'm terrified of electricity
sand mesa
@humble pond so I actually have an Intel NUC that I use for a computer… Lightweight stuff. I thought about going that route but because it’s my first time out and there seem to be a lot of recommendations to just go with the raspberry pi because the install is so drop dead simple. So if I build a new computer, more of a gaming rig like next year, then I may repurpose NUC for HA
modest sentinel
back in college I would mod xbox1s and one time i tapped the power supply cap by accident, my arm was numb for a few hours
now i dont fuck with it
humble pond
Just turn it off at the breaker and you’ll be fine.
sand mesa
Cheap latex gloves 😉
modest sentinel
yeah but i can still be paranoid
i bought one of those testers
latex gloves will help?!
what about nitrile, i have a box of those
sand mesa
Well they’re “rubber” so they shouldn’t conduct. I think. Turn the breaker off too
modest sentinel
yeah killing the power seems like the obvious first step 😄
humble pond
Also, when doing light switches I found this little bugger to be an awesome tool to help find which was the power wire:
Klein Tools NCVT-3 Non-Contact Voltage Tester with Flashlight https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XJQ9ZE4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_aLDBDbSX0QJ06
sand mesa
Test the gloves with your tester?
humble pond
Also to check and make sure there was no electricity in the box when I did cut it off at the breaker
modest sentinel
hah @humble pond i just bought this a few days ago https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07N3R74QQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
in anticipation of buying switches
humble pond
Yeah, pull the switch out, use that to figure out which wire is which (line is hot, load is not unless the light is on)
modest sentinel
do that with power still on?
humble pond
Cut the breaker, use the tool to make sure no power, and it’s plug and play from there.
modest sentinel
cool, i watched a youtube video on how to do it and it seems stupid easy
humble pond
Yeah, just don’t touch any bare copper 😂
modest sentinel
i'm just wary about power
sand mesa
You guys are making my amazon cart $$ go up lol
modest sentinel
lol
chilly nymph
If you are doing 3 way switches too, can be useful to use a cable tester (send signal on one and receive on the other) to find the traveler
modest sentinel
think of all that 5% cashback you can refund to your bank next month @sand mesa haha
sand mesa
I’m practically making money 😆
humble pond
Traveler is usually pretty easy to find. It’s generally red, or coming from a different group of cables than the power cable.
modest sentinel
completely unrelated but if you drink one of the cheapest quality of life improvements I've made recently was a $7 6" x 12" wet bar mat from amazon
add that to your cart too 🙂
chilly nymph
@humble pond or in my case, all cables were black
modest sentinel
ugh that sounds bad
chilly nymph
Including neutral, which certainly isn't up to code
modest sentinel
my house is '95 construction so I'm praying for neutral and it to be cleanly wired
humble pond
Pull out a switch before pulling the trigger on the switches.
chilly nymph
Agreed
modest sentinel
probably a good idea
chilly nymph
If you don't have neutral, I can highly recommend the caseta line
modest sentinel
whoever lived here before spared no expense on things so I'm hopeful
hell the entire 1 acre yard has outlets everywhere
chilly nymph
You'll just need a device that can communicate with clear connect
sand mesa
I have a 4 gang switch by the front door:
• porch light
• entry (indoor) light
• front room ceiling fan - lights on/off
• front room ceiling fan - fan off/on
So for quad throw switch, do you just buy 4 single smart switches or do they make a 4-gang? Thoughts
sand mesa
Yes. Thanks
chilly nymph
Yeah that's not a 4-way. 4 way would be 4 devices that control the same load
modest sentinel
a gang is a switch, the switch itself is N-way where N is the number of switches + lights
humble pond
4 way would be three switches controlling the same set of lights.
modest sentinel
that's what I've just learned tonight 🙂
I was like oh i only need 3 way for my three switches!
nope
chilly nymph
Well a gang isn't really a switch. But it's the area the switch lives in
modest sentinel
the box/fixture/whatever the word is, yeah
since you can cram multiple switches into one, i suppose
chilly nymph
I only make the clarification because you can have other things in the box like an outlet
modest sentinel
i should go check on my shortribs
sand mesa
Sorry, I don’t want to get all caught up in the jargon. I have four switches that control 4 completely separate things. But it’s one wall plate with 4 onoff toggles. Old school
humble pond
Just don’t mix low-voltage and high-voltage stuff in the same box 😉
chilly nymph
@sand mesa honestly these are terms you should learn... It will help a lot.
But what you'll need is 4 separate switches and you may need a new plate, depending on the components you choose.
sand mesa
I agree
humble pond
I’ve got that in my living room. Take the wall plate off and it’s actually 4 individual switches behind it.
sand mesa
And I have no problem being corrected
modest sentinel
Ugh only at 180f. Gonna be a late dinner lol
chilly nymph
I didn't mean it as a correction. More meant it as giving insight. Sorry if I came across that way.
modest sentinel
How safe is it to remove a switch with the power on, just to check wiring?
humble pond
One is an outlet I don’t use, so no smarts, fan light (smart), fan (dumb), eyeball lights (smart)
modest sentinel
Or should I be paranoid and flip the breaker
sand mesa
Trust me I’m not offended in the slightest
chilly nymph
@modest sentinel I have done it, but until you are comfortable, I wouldn't
sand mesa
@modest sentinel - you should go full hazmat suit 😂
humble pond
It’s fine to pull the switch out of the wall by the screw mounts, just don’t touch wires.
chilly nymph
Have you seen behind the plate @modest sentinel
modest sentinel
Not yet
chilly nymph
It's pretty hard to touch them if you know what's back there
That said, I've seen some scary stuff. So the first time I do it, I'll usually cut the power
modest sentinel
It's it obvious without removing then from the wall?
chilly nymph
Usually, yes
humble pond
Haha, I now have a mental picture of bender in a hazmat suit with the no-touch voltage reader at a light switch with it ticking like a radiation reader.
chilly nymph
But if you don't know if you have neutral and haven't touched one before, it doesn't hurt to pull it (power off) just to make sure you understand it
modest sentinel
I say this everytime I talk in here, but this community is the single most helpful communities I've ever interacted with. So thank you all ❤️
humble pond
The first smart switch I did took me like an hour trying to figure it all out, even after pouring over circuit diagrams on the internet.
Once I figured it out and knew how the house was wired, the rest took me less than 5 minutes each.
chilly nymph
Same. The first is always the most stressful because you know you are working with electricity and that you don't know what you are doing
Then after the first, you realize it really isn't that complicated
modest sentinel
i had some people in here to give quotes for running cat6 and one guy was like "I can do high voltage too, so if you need outlets replaced it's $20/outlet"
and immediately I was like fuck that, I can do it myself
sand mesa
Which switches did you choose @humble pond? Would you buy them again?
chilly nymph
@sand mesa what kind of protocols does your network speak currently?
Or are you just getting started
chilly nymph
Ah. Alright. There are a lot of zwave options
For a switch, zwave is definitely the standard. I have liked my ge and my leviton zwave switches
But the lutrons are the star of my network
They are clearconnect though, so needs a different hub
sand mesa
Are the Lutrons not zwave? Just making sure I I’m understanding
chilly nymph
They aren't
sand mesa
Oh gotcha
chilly nymph
They are MUCH more responsive for me though
And I use the pico remotes for a ton of stuff
humble pond
First one I bought was the HomeSeer dimmer. It’s in my living room on a 3-way with a companion switch. It’s fine, but at $80 for both, pricy and I don’t use all the functionality.
Then I spent $300 on 10 Inovelli scene control switches. They don’t require an addon, and I didn’t need dimmers. They also work fine, but we’re more finicky to get connected. Haven’t had any real issues since they are up. HA reports some as not connected sometimes, but can still control them fine... so whatever.
I then bought 2 of the Zooz S2 switches for my 4-way hallways. They don’t have scene control, but I hadn’t REALLY used in in the 6 months of having the others installed, so also fine. They work well, but the LED indicator is bigger and a different color than my Inovelli switches... so I turned them all off.
chilly nymph
Also if you are using leds and using dimmers, take a look at the temperature changing bulbs. I don't mean the zigbee ones, but the ones that get warmer as they dim.
modest sentinel
Ok, pulled off the plate to a 3-gang that has two kitchen lights (a 3way and a 4way) and my hall light (a 4 way). It has 3 wires connected
chilly nymph
No neutral then
humble pond
Line/load/traveler
Neutral won’t be connected to the dumb switch.
Pull the switch out and see if there is a bundle of white wires with a wire but stuffed back in the box.
Wire nut*
chilly nymph
I skipped the 3 way but on accident. I actually assumed line load ground
modest sentinel
the ones connected were red and black
humble pond
Red is traveler.
modest sentinel
i might be able to see if there's more without pulling it out
humble pond
It goes to one of the other switches on the circuit.
chilly nymph
Go to the other switch that controls those lights
modest sentinel
what's the traveler?
pliant forge
I didn’t think I need the scene control when I bought the inovelli ones, now I use that function all the time and wish the zooz switches I bought could do the same.
azure frost
Anyone able to help me with a issue with home assistant and snips.ai? I cant get tts to go
chilly nymph
@azure frost #330944238910963714
azure frost
I have
humble pond
Yes
chilly nymph
@modest sentinel for 3 way and 4 way
humble pond
The meter will tell you which one is which
If the light is off, the wire it beeps on will be load
chilly nymph
In your case, it sounds like it, yes. But use a multimeter to double check
Or voltage tester
modest sentinel
so it seems likely i do not have neutral and therefor cant use a smart switch?
humble pond
He bought a no touch voltage tester
modest sentinel
i do have a voltage tester 🙂
chilly nymph
@modest sentinel check the other switch
modest sentinel
ok ill check the 3way since that's easier lol
humble pond
The neutral won’t be connected to your dumb switch
modest sentinel
they're all dumb
chilly nymph
Or
humble pond
It will be in the box with a wire nut on it.
chilly nymph
See if there is a bundle of white wires stuffed in the back
sand mesa
Thanks all. You’ve been immensely helpful 🙂 😴
chilly nymph
@sand mesa good luck
modest sentinel
there's a buttload of white wires behind them
humble pond
Those are the neutral wires
modest sentinel
yayyy
humble pond
So you’re good
chilly nymph
Are they all twisted and nutted together? Neutral.
sand mesa
terminator voice
I’ll be back
modest sentinel
humble pond
Ok, likely neutral, but can’t tell for sure unless you pull a switch out and search for the bundle of wires with a nut on it, then trace it back to a case with a black/white/copper wire coming out of it.
Easier to do in a single gang box.
That is a 2-way (one switch for a set of lights)
Also, if you bought the paddle switches I linked, you will need to go to Your local home improvement store and buy new face plates 😉
You can also get smart switches in the toggle style you already have in the house.
chilly nymph
Alright guys. Off to bed. Good luck @modest sentinel
humble pond
P.S. looks like your walls were painted without the face plates taken off 😂
modest sentinel
good night @chilly nymph , thanks!
humble pond
Lazy painters
modest sentinel
lol yeah @humble pond
humble pond
I should head to bed too. Good luck on your lighting endeavors! Hit me up when you are ready to talk #cameras-archived 😉
azure frost
Does home assistant need a media player to play tts?
modest sentinel
@humble pond I'll do that! I haven't found good oss software to manage cameras and right now I only have a few wyze so I'm curious what you have
azure frost
!help
hushed basalt
Does anyone have any tricks for unintended installs of Ubuntu
So like, a simple way to take a fresh netinstall USB, add a file or url onto it, and plug it into a computer and have it automatically install ubuntu
Format first drive, set random hostname, etc. Just enough to get it to a state where I can manage it from Ansible
clever mortar
@hushed basalt You want kickstart - which I've used for years now for exactly that
hushed basalt
@clever mortar thanks
There's a lot of noise on my google searches for this sort of thing
strange vapor
Em, Kickstart is for Redhat based systems.
For Debian/Ubuntu systems, it's Preseed you need to look at.
modest sentinel
welp, just bought 8 zooz z-wave switcherdoos
having to explain to my woman how many 4-ways and 3-ways I want to have and how many gangs I want to fit in there was worth it
clever mortar
Kickstart works on Ubuntu too 😉
strange vapor
Hmm, hadn't realised that. Looks like it only supports a subset of kickstarts functionality, but still interesting! The preseed format is not the nicest at times 😄
clever mortar
Yeah, I use just enough preseed to use Kickstart
Getting stuff working in Kickstart is easy, in preseed it seems to require invoking the deep ones
modest sentinel
@humble pond @chilly nymph @sand mesa thanks for the chat and help, looking forward to my order of switches. hopefully I get them all installed and working smoothly 🙂
clear ferry
ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Is that preseeding @clever mortar ?
Nice, the years first closing of a road due to snow already
I just told the neighbour yesterday that I felt winter was coming, and that I was expecting snow here already in the middle of October
I'm usually right
clear ferry
Norway 😛
clever mortar
I suspect many of his clients think he has god like powers 😛
clear ferry
Picture from the news article
I am Dog !
@modest sentinel then you need to go further north, my parents have an Airbnb you can stay at 😛
clear ferry
clear ferry
😂
My parents have 3xairbnb in their house
They are booked all winter and most of the summer
hushed basalt
I've looked into it, i think I'll use preseed
If my assumption is correct, I can just move the preseed into my boot USB by hand and edit the grub in the USB
To select the preseed auto installation after timeout
strange vapor
I've only really used Preseed with PXE, but that sounds doable!
strange vapor
scenic radish
that's terrifying
dark swallow
Anyone else here have one of Verizon's "Unlimited" data plans?
Because I just switched to one of them and I am very confused on why I have "unlimited" but I get "+25GB of premium data"
scenic radish
we've all agreed here to not use verizon
might be for full HD streaming or something like that
sometimes plans include a limit on music/video quality or resolution
dark swallow
lol! Pretty sure it means I get 25gb of full speed data but then past that I get slowed down to unbearably slow speeds
dark swallow
this is the full break down of the plan
It's just so dumb! Does Verizon not know the definition of Unlimited? Because if it were "unlimited" they won't have 4 different plans called that
clever mortar
That's the US for you 😉
Unlimited data
Small print: For the first 30 seconds of the month
scenic radish
yep, carriers in the US are so fucking ridiculous
boreal pewter
Isn't that a 2 class internet in the US? Like in germany the biggest hosting provider offer XGB per month BUT Streaming is unlimited, thus Youtube, Spotify, Netflix and so on
scenic radish
@dark swallow so yeah, it's just verizon's way of saying your data usage will be deprioritized if the network is congested:
"When your Do More Unlimited line's usage goes over 50 GB of 4G LTE data during your bill cycle, most of the time you'll continue to enjoy the same great network experience.
If you're on a cell site that's congested, however, your download may be temporarily queued behind other Verizon customers. This may result in slower download speeds relative to another Verizon customer's experience on the same cell site at that moment."
why they feel the need to call it "premium data" i have no idea
that sounds like you have 50GB to use on porn sites lol
SNAPCHAT PREMIUM
dark swallow
@scenic radish yeah that's just stupid! I also just love that they give me 4 different unlimited plan options
scenic radish
yep, all the carriers are doing this shit here, it's ridiculous
dark swallow
The slowing down at times of congestion makes sense to me as well its just I fell this will happen no matter what even if my data usage isn't over 50gb and if I complain they would just say you must have had a poor connection because they literally have no way of knowing
@boreal pewter and yeah you could probably call it a 2 class service, it will probably get worse for us here in the US once Verizon and AT&T start taking more control over content. They will make their content lighting fast and unlimited but anything else you want to will be limited and much slower. Like AT&T will make HBO very fast but make netflix near impossible to stream
brisk glen
@dark swallow no it does not. 4G LTE does not = 1Mbit speeds but that is what they are doing
past idol
hello guys
could you help me out please?
during Debian Install
what should be the domain name?
clever mortar
local is safe
clever mortar
Sure
past idol
thank you
because I was concerned
I 've red something about DNS issues
with .local
clever mortar
You can use anything that's not a legitimate TLD/domain that's on the Internet
clever mortar
Heck, you can use blahblah.azteke if azteke isn't a legit TLD
past idol
I see 😄
local is fine
and hostname could be anything right?
is there anything else I need to pay attention to during debian install?
clever mortar
Do install SSH
clever mortar
Pretty much, but honestly, now is a good time to mess about and learn
past idol
yep maybe you're right
by the way one more thing I need to ask: I have a 128 gb ssd in the pc how should i set it up with linux?
i mean what is the standard regarding partitions
clever mortar
Leave the installer at defaults
Right now, anything else is likely to come back to bite you
clever mortar
The only things to change at this point are:
- The hostname
- The username
- Install SSH
clever mortar
I'd also suggest you install Debian first in a VM, and mess about
past idol
yeah, I've already did that
but then I was careless about the install
because it was just a VM 😄
now as it is something more solid I asked for a bit of a guidance
clever mortar
VMs are the place to be careless in - you can snapshot them and recover almost instantly
You'll learn more from mistakes than getting it right too 😉
past idol
yeah 🙂
thank you then I put it all in one partition
brb 😄
and do you use your full name when it asks for it?
past idol
I see
i sometimes think of privacy
but it suggest to use real name for some reason
do you think there is any privacy / security issue to it?
clever mortar
You need to remember what to type
scenic radish
yeah don't forget the username
i have trusted networks and allow_bypass_login set, so i have to try extra hard to not forget my username and pwd lol
no security or privacy issue if you're not going to set up remote access
maybe a security issue if you have remote access enabled and someone knows your real name and that you use that as a username, but that's kind of reaching pretty far for a security issue
past idol
😄
i want to set a remote access later
I want to access it from pc and phone eventually
by the way should I choose partition guide or partition guide with LVM?
scenic radish
i'll leave that question to @clever mortar, that's way above my head
past idol
thanks
clever mortar
Remote access - VPN
For everything else... defaults all the way
You don't know enough yet to understand the choices, and the defaults are safe/harmless
past idol
I mean there is vuided use entire disk or use entire disk and set up lvm
clever mortar
First
past idol
oh, I see
clever mortar
For a home system, at your level, it adds complexity
scenic radish
@clever mortar is always right 😉
past idol
I think I will use an anonym name
clever mortar
Yes I am, and yes it can 😉
past idol
I mean there is no reason to use my own
clever mortar
(I'm also wrong at least 80% of the time, but I hide those seconds down the back of the couch)
scenic radish
I vote Turd Ferguson
past idol
and maybe it is easier to set it now then later
clever mortar
Just don't forget what you use
scenic radish
1/5 ain't bad
past idol
😄
maybe i will try kodi out in docker or plex
but i am not sure if this small quad core can handle it
however 1080p is enough for me
but this is an other topic dho 😄
orchid rose
a 30€ chinese tvbox can run Kodi at 4k 😉
clever mortar
Depends on what the CPU is, but even an i3 can run a lot of things
orchid rose
or gpu, as that'll do most of the work when decoding video
depends on how old it is as well when it comes to 4k, hdr etc
gritty jewel
You people are terrible. I now have another dozen tabs open for things to investigate later. 🙂
scenic radish
sry
clever mortar
Could be worse, could have mentioned Tautulli
past idol
hah the cpu is worse than i3
clever mortar
Ah, quad core Pi 😛
past idol
so it will run 1080p kodi /plex whatever?
I mean it is just too powerful for home assistant only
orchid rose
most likely yeah. Just try it.
clever mortar
CPUMark ...2110 🤔
scenic radish
can always download more if needed
past idol
@clever mortar is that good? 😄
clever mortar
Install Netdata, or similar, and you can see how loaded it is
past idol
by the way what is the best way to access my little pc from my bigger one? 😄
remotely?
clever mortar
SSH
past idol
oh :/ so its crappy 😄
clever mortar
"Low end"
clever mortar
Key things to watch when installing other packages:
- Free RAM
- CPU and Load
- I/O
scenic radish
"Excellent value"
clever mortar
You can install more than HA on there, but watch the load and you'll see
boreal pewter
- Knowing what you do before
past idol
okay
sadly other pcs with i3 are almost double the price
i found a good used i5 pc
but it was with hd 6000
clever mortar
TBH a passmark of 2K is ok - you're not going to set the world on fire, but it'll be fine for HA and a good bit more
Maybe not HA + Plex transcoding 4K media...
clever mortar
Install software, watch the load, make a judgement call
orchid rose
transcoding will be a stretch, but just for watching videos with Kodi or whatever should be fine
clever mortar
Transcoding non 4K should be ok, if not amazing quality
orchid rose
my NUC now works as a HTPC as well as the HA system
boreal pewter
Building a Deskmini with at least an AMD Ryzen 5 3400g is still the best value / price effort and still better than any i7 NUC
sand mesa
@modest sentinel - i’m curious which ZOOZ switches you ordered? Link 😉
But you did say you’re getting three-way compatible switches, rather than just simple on off light switches… Correct?
Also what do you all think for someone starting out with Z wave, is S2 important?
clever mortar
Not with HA it isn't, but that's off topic in this channel 😉
past idol
yeah you are maybe right
clever mortar
#zwave-archived can help you there
boreal pewter
I know I am
past idol
however this was a budget option right now 😄
boreal pewter
450€ is pretty budget IMO..
boreal pewter
At least for half the power? 😉
sand mesa
Thanks @clever mortar. I’m new 😬
clever mortar
Just take a moment to read the channel topic behind the name before posting 😉
orchid rose
450€ a budget setup for running HA? 🤔
clever mortar
My Pi3 feels slighted
boreal pewter
Never said that.
I say that in terms of price / value or rather performance you barely can beat a deskmini build. If pay half of it for a NUC, I guess only the Celeron or pretty old i3 comes in mind (considering NEW prices), but only having 1/4 of the power is a terrible price / performance
It depends on what you do with it
boreal pewter
I build mine up to completely replace my dedicated server which I rent for 50 bucks a month with an i7 6700
past idol
that is good
but then it is easy
right know for my usage this is more than enough
i will get some beefier around the end of the year
to run kodi etc.
until then it is fine
orchid rose
Kodi will run fine on the celeron... I doubt you'll have any noticable lag even in the UI and the video performance will be butter smooth as it has been on any cpu for the last decade
boreal pewter
Depends
boreal pewter
Yeah first do that and really check out how performance is doing. I only had a 2b before but MySQL made it IO-die all day
past idol
😄
scenic radish
i just made a post on reddit asking how i can contribute to the hass community with a brief list of my (minimal) relevant skill set. can i post a link to it here or is that self-promotion?
i'd like your guys' opinions, especially @clever mortar
boreal pewter
Donate 100 bucks so @dull chasm can buy more Klipsch 😄 😄 😄
clever mortar
Contributing to the community:
- Help out here, on the forum, reddit, twitter, facebook
- Help out on the docs
- Help out with code
At least it's not Australian dollars 😛
scenic radish
fair enough
i've started doing 2
made some edits to the history stats sensor docs that were approved
i've seen some grammar/clarity issues in the docs i've read so i'll probably edit those too
boreal pewter
When I started out I think I had some Doc issues and I even said so 2 times here but it was no one around, worthwhile I found out I could edit it but ofc forgot what it was about months ago 😄
scenic radish
whoops lol
dark swallow
Anyone heard of these before? https://www.getroomme.com/
its basically BLE monitor that is a occupancy sensor
but in my opinion it is way to expensive and too large
clever mortar
And like all such devices tracks things not people
boreal pewter
They should make some hardcore NFC detector for connection within the whole home and I would find someone to implement an NFC chip into my body
clever mortar
Different ones in each foot, so you can work out the direction and speed of travel
boreal pewter
Yeah that sounds great. I rather talk about a small device as usually in Smarthome with enough power to flood your whole home with NFC
scenic radish
that's 0 meters for those who aren't in the US
boreal pewter
You even can make wifi to connect over kilometers.. it just all depends 😄
Bad example tho
clever mortar
WiFi can technically reach orbit
You have to crank it all the way up to the spec limits though
scenic radish
hold my beer
boreal pewter
Hold my burgers
scenic radish
also the fcc might want to have a word with you lol
clever mortar
Might 🤔
boreal pewter
I think that is illegal here too. Like everything that is fun
scenic radish
"what do you mean i can't use my flamethrower to clear my driveway of snow"
gritty jewel
heh, you can do that here.
boreal pewter
Isn't it why Elon invented his awesome snow-cleaner?
scenic radish
is there a hass integration for it?
gritty jewel
Sometimes the "burn weeds" propane powered flame things have the label also say "clear snow"
boreal pewter
Ugh I still didn't add my new car to HASS. I love the community and chat here daily as my most used Discord Server but I'm too lazy to do a shit at my HASS conf
scenic radish
wut
boreal pewter
I guess @clever mortar could almost add this line as advertising on the HASS website
scenic radish
could i boil water if my crank up my router's radio high enough?
could replace my microwave
boreal pewter
"See what people say about HASS..."
scenic radish
Ugh I still didn't add my new car to Home Assistant
new car to Home Assistant
car to Home Assistant
is your car your home?
boreal pewter
No but if it offers an BMW integration why not 🤷
scenic radish
jk
that's pretty dope
i drive a scion, i can't wait for the integration for my plebe car
boreal pewter
lol
scenic radish
"yep your car is...still in existence"
boreal pewter
I think the component only exists because it was "pretty easy", since it already comes with Smartphone App-Control and checking status on the Manufacters website
past idol
is there a guide to ssh?
scenic radish
from the docs:
region: one of "north_america", "china", "rest_of_world"
if you don't live in north america or china, you are nothing
boreal pewter
Yes that really turns me off
Let's choose... shitland, shitland or OH the really important things
clever mortar
@past idol Google?
scenic radish
lol
clever mortar
SSH isnt a small topic
clever mortar
That's like asking if there's a guide to cars
scenic radish
@odd mason yeah, i figured
odd mason
source: someone who worked on the integration lol
clever mortar
I dunno. Here are the places we have to take special account of, everywhere else this "just works"
boreal pewter
I already assumed that but I thought that BMW should have some more server in Europe, as per country or so
Considering the language and such
odd mason
my guide to ssh: navigate to stackoverflow.com, search, repeat
boreal pewter
@odd mason
ssh google.com
ssh: connect to host google.com port 22: Network is unreachable
scenic radish
my guide to ssh:
[open terminal]
ssh pi@192.168.1.2
password:
"shit"
[closes terminal]
boreal pewter
ouch closing terminal? really
odd mason
i've aliased fuck-this-shit to close my terminal
scenic radish
@boreal pewter "my plan to hack google has been foiled"
boreal pewter
Foiled as of in an SSH wrapper? 😄
boreal pewter
🤦 right
boreal pewter
scenic radish
lmao
strange vapor
Sticker spotted on laptop in meeting:
Automating Them Is Devops```Looks like an I/O problem
boreal pewter
😄
My old server which is copying and uploading the last few hundred GB of tv shows to Gdrive
boreal pewter
Well I yet maintained my library on dedicated servers which was in regards to CPU, RAM and price then usually just 2x4TB HDD in a RAID 0
SO yet I have
scenic radish
good lord
boreal pewter
I lately read the rclone Forum a bit due to my migration to Gdrive to not worry about fucking storage anymore and there are people from 75TB to a few 100TB
So I feel like I'm just the common 0815 library guy
boreal pewter
Well if the 4TB one has 15TB I would suggest debugging
clear ferry
It's 4x10 and 4x4 and 4x2
boreal pewter
4x4 AWD drives
scenic radish
who here can successfully decompress 42.zip
strange vapor
Wasn't there a fancy replacment for 42.zip last year?
boreal pewter
Anyone could decompress it with a bit effort I guess
brisk glen
I suppose I could use a filesystem with compression on
It gets decompressed only to be compressed by the fs
Hard mode easy
scenic radish
god mode enabled
boreal pewter
Well there are enough cloud offers for unlimited storage. So actually anyone could have it if wanted
orchid rose
clouds, ew
boreal pewter
I like it cloudy
brisk glen
Cloud is usually a term for clustered remote servers
But people say the cloud even if it’s just one server because they have to be in that new fancy word game
boreal pewter
I'm not too sure of the official definition per wording. Since there're also services called "Nextcloud" which can be 1 or more servers, just telling it is -supposed- to be a 24/7 available storage.
However I rather talk about just taking unlimited Gdrive storage to decompress that
scenic radish
Clustered Layered Organized User Data
boreal pewter
scenic radish
™
clear ferry
scenic radish
I don't have nitro or whatever it's called so :dogekek:
midnight adder
what smart lamps are you guys using and how much do they cost
I'm tired of tuya smart plugs so I'm considering replacing my bulbs instead
scenic radish
i like my philips hue setup
modest sentinel
@midnight adder hmm, are you the same guy from the game collecting community?
midnight adder
yea
modest sentinel
hey!
orchid rose
MiLight. 6-12$ each
midnight adder
I don't exactly have the best experience with milight 😒
scenic radish
price varies wildly depending on sales
orchid rose
how so? I've been pretty happy with mine but I don't have anything else yet so it's hard to compare
midnight adder
Don't they need a seperate controller? I have one bulb and a usb hub controller thingy
the app was horrendous that's for sure
pure vine
I think someone has made a way to control it over Bluetooth
midnight adder
actually I threw away the bulb a couple days ago because it overheated and died
orchid rose
you can use the hub or a esp32 based diy controller. I've had no issues with either
midnight adder
I'd need about four regular E27 bulbs and a single GU10 because IKEA thought they were funny and replaced one of the sockets on that one standing lamp of theirs
the only two brands I currently have my eye on are IKEA tradfri and YeeLight
orchid rose
yeelights are pretty cheap as well. I have one hopefully coming soon
midnight adder
YeeLight I already have three bulbs of, they're great
I lost one bulb last december tho, forgot where I put it while moving apartments
worst thing is that it shows up on my wifi now and then and I cannot explain why
where the fuck did it go lmao
orchid rose
I ordered one from Ali but it was suspiciously cheap and now the seller has nothing for sale anymore so we'll see...
orchid rose
I looked for a adjustable white one and the yeelight was about the same price as milight would have been so I'll try it out
midnight adder
This is the listing I got https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32885328641.html
they're a bit more than tradfri bulbs but don't require a hub
100% wifi
orchid rose
having everything on wifi isn't necessarily a plus though
I still prefer the "edison bulbs" for some uses. Look nice, easily dimmable, perfect color accuracy etc 🙂
midnight adder
I might try out a yeelight light strip too sometime
past idol
anyone using ssh by the way or any other method to access small pc?
and by the way do you think I can get any better offer at the same time?
scenic radish
i use ssh sometimes
past idol
I mean I have this J3455 CPU with 8gb of ram and 128gb good quality ssd for around 200-250 usd
is there any better deal? or I should stick with this as it is more than okay for HA and probably better then a PI?
I assume it is still better than a Pi
orchid rose
used or new?
orchid rose
then the price is probably okay, but you might find a used one for a decent price
modest sentinel
@sand mesa I went with both 3-way and 4-way switches: https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/products/zooz-z-wave-plus-s2-on-off-wall-switch-zen26-with-simple-direct-3-way-4-way and https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/products/zooz-z-wave-plus-on-off-light-switch-zen21
past idol
but I still need SSD and stuff to get it running
so it is more than 70
around 150 at least if i purchase the stuff for it
orchid rose
Pi4 would have been around the same price as a used NUC for me so it was a no-brainer to go with a nuc
past idol
Mr K - I tried to find some, but no luck, only've found a model with i5 HD6000 but there is a problem with it when using linux
orchid rose
just take the HD6000 out and use the integrated gpu in the i5?
past idol
technically there was around 35 usd difference between full pie setup with ssd and this one
I think HD6000 is the integrated
in that NUC
if I recall
but then there is no better deal around this money?
I mean Anon was suggesting Deskmini option which is good but it is around 400-450 usd
modest sentinel
@midnight adder I've had good luck with Sylvania Smart+ led strips
past idol
but now I do not not if its worth 200 usd as if i cannot use it to anything else apart from HA maybe I better of with something more expensive yet more flexible
orchid rose
HD6000 is amd gpu. I don't see how a NUC would have that in the first place
midnight adder
@past idol I use SSH daily for all my linux boxes
past idol
hmm, give me some time
@midnight adder could you help me how could i set it up, please?
midnight adder
past idol
MRK i will check it which nuc was it
midnight adder
some nucs do have amd graphics
midnight adder
@past idol what's your OS
past idol
I am using Win10 on my Main PC and I just installed debian on my tiny one 🙂
midnight adder
did you install openssh during your debian setup
past idol
yes I think so as Tinkerer suggested a few hours ago
orchid rose
what's the problem with that one Azteke?
midnight adder
as client you can use something like putty, remote desktop manager, mobaterm
or just plain old Powershell
"ssh user@ip" without quotes in powershell will connect you
it works in cmd too but cmd is fugly
example with rasbian:
note that the password does not show up as you type
past idol
which one Mr K? one that i linked?ú
orchid rose
yes
past idol
there is HD6000 it and there are graphical issues with linux as I've seen
ah I see
but this way I wont see the gui right?
is there any way to connect to the gui too?
orchid rose
what sort of graphical issue? Mine is a couple of generations older I think, HD4000 or 5000 and didn't notice anything strange
boreal pewter
Ugh is a bit of work to remove but you can with apt
I just cant tell you All the packages
past idol
hmm
I've just red it on the web
I see
so should I reinstall without gui?
is it that bad?
boreal pewter
You won't ever meet an Admin using Linux gui, that Bad 🤷
boreal pewter
I would not do what I wouldn't do at work either and im responsible to generate several millions
clever mortar
UI... on a server... 🤢
past idol
and is it sure that I am only running it as a server?
boreal pewter
Yes
past idol
however i think plex and ha considers as server usage 😄
my only problem is gui is so convient at first
clever mortar
Server is anything that's providing remote/network services
past idol
I mean i could just open file browser
clever mortar
Learn to manage it remotely 😉
past idol
and i can copy and paste within it
boreal pewter
You either serve or Client, that is 2 Devices. Doing both is just noob Level - 1000
clever mortar
I use SSH (and Puppet/Chef/etc) to manage systems all over the world
clever mortar
Hell, there are systems I'm responsible for that I haven't interacted with in years, because automation FTW
past idol
and therefore there is a certain advantage to it that i will learn linux
Okay, so I've got the pendrive with the debian buster iso
i will reinstall it then without gui
somehow 😄
clever mortar
If you take the time to learn the commands, and shell scripting, you'll discover how powerful Linux is
boreal pewter
At that grade of question I would recommend a year of reading into Hosting and Linux to get a basic state
past idol
haha
boreal pewter
Not joking
clever mortar
There's loads of good Linux for noobs guides out there
And, as I may have said, VMs for the win. Mess about, break it, revert to snapshot. Repeat
past idol
@boreal pewter
i know
but it is still funny a bit
as I've originally just wanted to get HA running 😄
clever mortar
Fastest way of getting HA running is Hass.io - but you'll learn far more about Linux (and unix) this way
past idol
yeah ii know
I like learning new stuff
it is useful especially now
so then i will just select non-graphical install
and i will get it running in no time
boreal pewter
I know and I consider it as the worst mistake people do. Yet hass is hosted locally so danger is not so huge but I know from 10 years ago kiddos just wanted to host Minecraft servers and you could farm the internet for thousands of machines with SSH Port 22 and root login 🤦
sand mesa
Thanks @modest sentinel 🙂
clever mortar
The early days of Home Assistant, before it forced you to set up authentication, those were scary days
boreal pewter
🤣
clever mortar
Almost monthly there'd be another thread somewhere about how HA is insecure and they'd been "hacked" 🤦
scenic radish
"did you set up a username and password"
"no"
"then why are you surprised"
clever mortar
Same for those that expose MQTT to the Internet with no security
scenic radish
oof
boreal pewter
You dont have to configure Firewalls if you dont use Firewall
scenic radish
pointtohead.jpg
modest sentinel
@sand mesa ask me in a few weeks how it goes lol. This'll be my first time replacing wall switches
brisk glen
No need to a firewall if its behind a router behind a nat
Need to set up external access first
boreal pewter
We did not specifically Talk about that Kind of network...
past idol
Should i install gnome? No right?
boreal pewter
No
scenic radish
no need to firewall if you unplug your modem
past idol
Desktop environment?
boreal pewter
No
boreal pewter
Nothing with Desktop, gui, mate, gnome, or X related
Yeah theyre fine
Dont forget SSH Server
past idol
So just eystem utilities and ssh
Standard system utilities+ssh*
If the username and hostname is the same is it a problem?
boreal pewter
Not quite smart but I dont See a problem. Hostname shouldnt matter anyway using Router dns and docker
past idol
And my domain name is username.local
I see. What would be a smart choice? I see every advice as a helpful gesture
and it is needed as i am still in the bevinning of this journey
native lily
Guys, maybe offtopic, but I don't know how to Google my problem.
I have set up an RPI3 with mosquitto server and HA on my network1. I want to add some mqtt switches, sensors in a different house, with a different network, let's call it network2.
While I'm connected to network2, I can't reach the broker on network1. Network1 has port 1883 forwarded to the RPI3, network2 has an empty forwarding table.
If I'm using mobile data on my phone, I can connect to the broker.
Should I forward port 1883 on network2? But to what local IP?
Please tag me if you have any idea. Thanks.
boreal pewter
I usually consider the hostname device related, like deskmini or nuc and maybe numbered for Clusters
And username Personal related
clever mortar
@native lily Do both networks know how to route traffic to the other?
past idol
Like nuc0516 and the domain is nuc0516.local and the username is azteke for example? Would that be better?
clever mortar
Better is meaningless here 😉
boreal pewter
If that is your wish ofc
past idol
Or how do you number them?
past idol
Then more convinient or standard
clever mortar
Any you want 😉
past idol
I see
clever mortar
Seriously, there is no universal standard
brisk glen
pcik a naming system and go with it
boreal pewter
Nuc1, nuc2, nuc3 or nuc-master1, nuc-node1
past idol
but the username amd hostnwmemis different for you aswell
boreal pewter
Or just nuc
past idol
I see
brisk glen
pos1 pos2 bpos3
past idol
and the domain should refer to it?
boreal pewter
ABC, bca, cba
brisk glen
its however you want to do it
clever mortar
local or make something up - as long as it's not real
clever mortar
Nope
boreal pewter
Well at work customers have specific naming due to having 2-4 stagings and 1-30 nodes
That is not comparable
brisk glen
indeed
clever mortar
Every organisation has a logic - but that usually leads to name that aren't human friendly
Most home networks are more larry, curly, and moe
past idol
Okay then even a / a.local / and b would be good as a hostname / domain name / username
as i understand
clever mortar
My local accounts on servers are, for the sake of argument, fred, since my real name is Frederick
boreal pewter
FREDERICK
clever mortar
Then I have accounts for each service, so homeassistant, plex, etc
past idol
What is the benefit of several accounts? I mean with docker...
native lily
@clever mortar sorry but I have trouble understanding you. The broker on network1 is used with a ddns, network2 doesn't have ddns (if this is even useful information for you)
past idol
want to understand these small things too
clever mortar
Routes @native lily
brisk glen
I have a local account for docker management, and the rest I dont care for users
clever mortar
That's how networks know how to reach each other
boreal pewter
With docker not much
native lily
But for that they need a static IP or ddns for both right?
past idol
So for start one acc is okay
brisk glen
yes, you would want a startic ip or a dynamic dns
static*
it would be far easer to run a vpn between the two
brisk glen
keep everything internal and the vpn handles the traffic
clever mortar
@native lily No - the networks are different from the hosts on them
brisk glen
how about this
install zerotier one on all of the hosts
send data to their zerotier one address
as simple as you can get it
free for 100 devices
open source if you wanted to host your own moons etc for when you expand later