the-water-cooler

[late gate]

cheap = expensive in the long run

[lucid dock]

hmm

so not one from aliexpress? :p

[late gate]

yes, its one seller there that is selling non copies

1 sec I will find the store name

[lucid dock]

https://www.amazon.com/BV-Tech-Switch-Ethernet-Uplink-Function/dp/B075G2PM17/

that one doesnt look bad

its a switch too

[late gate]

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1200032 - this seller got a good reputation. I have no affiliation to the store or seller, but the store is known in the "community" as being honest and not selling knockoffs

[lucid dock]

he doesnt sell injectors 😦

his cheapest switch is $85

be better off with amazon haha

[clear ferry]

NOK 147.69 | Total power 65w 10/100mbps rj45 notwork switches 802.3af for ip cameras nvr wireless phone wifi access point 4 port poe switch
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/cqO4L8og

Colleague of mine bought this one and was happy with it 🤷

He runs 4 IP camera off it in the Philippines

[barren hound]

Ebay has cheap PoE switches pop up all the time

I got a 48 port enterprise grade switch for $40 (lifetime warranty)

[late gate]

@clear ferry I setup enough IP cameras in the philippines to know its worth using a bit money hehehehe

[lucid dock]

wtf are those power supply options haha

i should try ebay good idea

[deft reef]

@lucid dock I buy a lot of my little items on eBay, you can find some steals and make offers, which is great.

I got wifi switches for $10/ea (same thing sells for $18 on Amazon) from eBay by making offers to different sellers until one accepted

Tuya switches

[deft reef]

Is tileboard going to be an official add-on eventually?

[trail crag]

heyyy...organizr has an animated discord icon. where's ours?

[ocean mirage]

ours is animated, just all frames are the same thing

[trail crag]

oh clever

like a secret

[ocean mirage]

anything else would just be gaudy

Also I had never heard of organizr, just googled it....looks pretty useful

[quartz ether]

Haha @trail crag Ubiquiti has done the same. We are very lacking here... .animated discord icons should be TOP priority.

[light trout]

When enough users boost a server that is one of the perks

[ocean mirage]

3 people

[clear ferry]

Should we bring back animated mouse pointers too? And auto playing emo core music when opening webpages?

[ocean mirage]

Oh yeah those myspace days bring me back

[molten osprey]

Are there any US-based online stores that ship more than one Pi Zero W per customer?

[clear ferry]

Buy one from all 😛

[molten osprey]

They all charge $14 for device and $6 shipping. At $20, Ali sells as many as I want 😃

[clear ferry]

😂

[hearty depot]

ah 🤦 someone could tell me the right permisions for /var/log/auth.log I didnt uderstood the linking as I see - I thourght I can change the permissions on a softlink and keep the original file "untouched"

[clever mortar]

-rw-r----- 1 root adm

[formal sluice]

hey guys - anyone here using HADashboard?

[clever mortar]

Lots of folks have, but that's really a question for #general-archived 😉

[formal sluice]

alright ty

[hushed basalt]

Anyone here running a multi node homelab

I have a strong desire to build a 3 node baremetal ceph on kubernetes cluster

But something that doesn't cost $5000 to build and $1000/ yr in electricity :D

[ocean mirage]

I'm not really familiar with that sort of thing, but any reason you want specifically three?

[hushed basalt]

Three nodes is usually minimal viable for kubernetes

[ocean mirage]

What sort of hardware do you want

[clever mortar]

Three nodes is the viable minimum for any cluster tech

[hushed basalt]

Something 2u-3u medium depth ideally

Well you can run single node ceph, but then it's not really a cluster

It's a cluster of OSDs I guess :D

I was thinking something like a rosewill LSV-2700

Not too expensive. Can fit 4 x 3.5" drives and a standard power supply

Would need room for a 10gbe NIC as well

Rsv-z2700*

[ocean mirage]

So you would have to get three of those right?

[hushed basalt]

Yah

Three of everything!

[ocean mirage]

Not really sure what hardware you need, but couldn't you get two of something like this
https://www.theserverstore.com/SuperMicro-FatTwin-6026TT-HDTRF-12x-2U-LFF-2-Node-Server
or this
https://www.theserverstore.com/Supermicro-Fat-Twin-SuperServer-6027TR-DTRF-2-Node-Server

[hushed basalt]

Has to be able to be bought in Australia too :(

Second hand servers aren't viable here

Also those are full depth servers. Plus power consumption would be through the roof

Average loads cost over $2/year here

So 300 watts is $600+ a year etc

[ocean mirage]

Ah damn, I am actually in Australia too but I just assumed you weren't lol

So would you have to go low power/low performance chips to achieve what you want or what?

[hushed basalt]

Performance doesn't need to be extreme

My current setup is a 1.6GHz atom quad core synology with 8GB lol

I don't know much about hardware, but something in the i5 or equivalent would be heaps. Just needs ECC ram though

[ocean mirage]

What do you get by doing this cluster stuff over going a single machine of similar performance

[hushed basalt]

So I don't know if thats Xeon D

Kubernetes experience

Ceph experience

In 'production', where production is my home services

I don't get much learning value out of make believe labs,

[ocean mirage]

Yeah fair enough

[clever mortar]

Looks like ECC depends more on the chipset than the CPU

[ocean mirage]

Just curious, I built a home server earlier this year but its a very vanilla setup I guess

[clever mortar]

To be honest, you're unlikely to need ECC for a home server

(says the person with a Xeon home server, using ECC)

[ocean mirage]

Yeah lol, I went xeon with ecc too for basic stuff

[light trout]

and still uses rpi for HA 😛

[hushed basalt]

I think I need ECC more for ceph

[clever mortar]

My Pi does just fine 😉

Admittedly, "not by much", but 🤷

[ocean mirage]

lol

[hushed basalt]

When a write instruction is sent to the cluster it always goes to ram first

If the ram corrupts the data it will destroy that data, and replicate that destruction too :)

[ocean mirage]

oh yeah, seems important

So how can you tell that what I linked would eat power? Just trying to learn some things

[hushed basalt]

They look like high power xeon servers

They're made for datacentres or businesses where productivity is more important than electricity

And density

[ocean mirage]

I don't know how they compare but you can get low power CPUs in both those sockets

[hushed basalt]

At home density isn't super important and nor is productivity. I don't transcode plex nor am I trying to serve a website to 40000 people. And my rack has heaps of height (21U) but not much depth as I didn't want a full depth rack

Perhaps. I probably should just buy some second hand servers and eat the shipping

[ocean mirage]

for ECC don't you need server grade like xeon?

[hushed basalt]

I'm not too sure myself

[ocean mirage]

that was my impression but its probably clear I'm not the most informed lol

[hushed basalt]

But there are ECC mobos in small lower power formfactors

[ocean mirage]

fair enough

not a rack mount case, but what about something like a few of these? https://www.ebay.com/itm/DFI-DT122-BE-2nd-Gen-AMD-Embedded-R-Series-Industrial-Desktop-Box-PC-2-7GHz-HD/292559997917?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

they support ECC, cheap and low power

can fit one full sized PCIe

ship here lol

it is SO-DIMMS

not sure how available ECC is in SO-DIMM but I assume its fine

[clear ferry]

I didn't even know you got ECC on sodimm, but you will probably not see it in the enterprise space

[clever mortar]

Question is whether that chipset supports it

I'd be rather surprised

[clear ferry]

To be young again and know that rdram was the only cool stuff 😛

[clever mortar]

shudder

[clear ferry]

I still remember the mess with multiple DDR support types for desktops

But thankfully all memory controllers are inside the CPUs these days

And pcie controllers too

Atleast for x86 😛 and ia64

[orchid rose]

I had a DDR1/DDR2 motherboard and a SDR/DDR one iirc. It made sense at that time as there was no performance difference but the price difference was massive

[ocean mirage]

I think I was too young to be building my own computer with ddr2

[clear ferry]

Yea, but you usually only got two slots of each which made it more expensive anyway because you needed bigger sticks 😂

@ocean mirage I built my first in 1996/7 I believe

[ocean mirage]

I was 4/5 :)

[clear ferry]

I was 12/13 😂

But I had been on the internet for 4 years already

[ocean mirage]

Oh damn still much younger than when I started

I didn’t really have the money

[clear ferry]

I started working as a paper boy at age 9

Only had one year of not working since that

[ocean mirage]

Oh nice

My first job was at 18 lol

[clear ferry]

Then I had already had my own apartment for two years 😂

[ocean mirage]

It’s all that paperboy money

[clear ferry]

Must be, bought my own house at age 23 😛

Didn't get a kid until I was 34 though 🤷

[ocean mirage]

Those are much more expensive

[clear ferry]

Indeed😛

I turned halfway to 70 two days ago though 🎉

[light trout]

25?

[ocean mirage]

Lol

[clear ferry]

Better start slowing down and think about retirement 😄

[ocean mirage]

I just bought my first house earlier this year at 26 which I’m pretty happy with

[clear ferry]

@light trout someone who is worse in math than me, impossible!

I have a 2 (of 6 possible) from vocational mathematics, which is a travesty😛

1 is a flunk in the Norwegian system

[hushed basalt]

House ownership is a pipe dream for Australians

Without being a wage slave to developers living in a shoe box in the outer suburbs and commuting 20 hours a week

[light trout]

I got a 6- on my report card from school, but I only had basic math due to dyscalculia and dyslexia 😛

[clear ferry]

I got a 6 in music studies and English, that's it 😛

[light trout]

math and gymastic was the only subjects I got something other then 2 😛

[late gate]

over 24h and no x.1 version? Did the rollout go that smooth

[ocean mirage]

You guys got a 6 in memory from me for just knowing what you got in school

[light trout]

Looks like it's just 1 thing currently tagged for a potential .1 release

[late gate]

almost a new record? hehe

[light trout]

I think it is 😛

[late gate]

that cant be. Lets create some bugs :p

[light trout]

it's PR's that maks releases not bugs 😉

go fix some bugs instead 😉

[ocean mirage]

They’re all features really

[light trout]

Yeah

My instanse have no bugs features

[late gate]

work? its just 2pm its too early for work hehe

[light trout]

2:30 PM == Half past 🍺 time 😄

[late gate]

hehehe. I think its more fun to just demand functions with no respect. As I said I want a HA AI to clean and fold laundry. chop chop

:p

and while you are at it change bedsheets too

[light trout]

It's more rewarding to make and share it yourself 😉

[ocean mirage]

We all know that won’t happen

[light trout]

we can hope

[clear ferry]

I'm so glad that in the enterprise space the big bugs are far apart, I can list all the impactful ones the last 12 years on one hand, and I work with 40+ different products 😛

[light trout]

No cisco devices?

[clear ferry]

No pissco for me, unless I have to 😛

Comware and Aruba 4 lyfe

[light trout]

Then it make sense, there was a year they had 5-6 big issues on their own 😛

[hushed basalt]

Cisco is gross

[clear ferry]

Gotta learn NSX soon too🤔

[ocean mirage]

The car?

[clear ferry]

Not exactly 😛

[hushed basalt]

I don't have much interest in networks

I'd rather be playing with cicd, kubernetes, python, web dev, microservices

All you infra guys can just stand over there

[ocean mirage]

My work is like... web dev light

I’d take some infrastructure work

[clear ferry]

I prefer tangible hardware, and knowing how it works down to a firmware and ASIC level, that is where my interest and the money is 😛

[sturdy juniper]

Soooo, if someone doesn't yet have a Nest dev api key, they can't get one.. correct?

[clear ferry]

Yes

And the nest servers are being shut down anyway?

[deft reef]

They'll keep supporting nest API just no new ones

At least for a while, till they change their minds again

[clever mortar]

Flip a coin ... if it lands on the edge then Google will keep the service running

[unreal orbit]

The latest news that I heard was they are keeping the existing accounts online until they decide otherwise

[pallid nest]

@static prawn Just listened to this week's LUP. How did the Texas talk go?

[static prawn]

well i think?

[pallid nest]

Ha. Thanks for posting your slides, I gave a talk at my work two weeks ago about home automation and hass and it helped me with my story line a bit.

[static prawn]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1NjkoWb0VmabWN4xUVA9xhXtFU1EX6W9ANYsL77ii5eY/edit?usp=sharing

[pallid nest]

Was just about to ask for that. Good timing.

I'll check it out.

[static prawn]

https://github.com/JupiterBroadcasting/talks

if you want to listen back (it's practically the same as the talk i gave at LFNW)

[pallid nest]

Cool.

[late gate]

just sad I have two new nest thermostats just laying around

does it exist some kind of BT LTE sniffing / debugging out there? I really need to see what the miflora things are doing as they are filling up cache and not releaseing it making HA fail

[clear ferry]

Probably the best acoustic album you'll ever listen to

https://open.spotify.com/album/4VwjpjXz6mi63IYV3Td5HQ?si=eOO-XNzEQ86VgUXOxDbj2Q

It's been on rotation for me for 19 years

[ocean mirage]

I’m lying in bed now but if I remember I’ll give it a go tomorrow

[late gate]

Does it exist any misc diy sensors (rsp, esp etc) to mqtt bridges out there that is under active development?

[clever mortar]

There's a bunch of firmware options for ESPs

#diy-archived would be a good place to ask about that in general though

[late gate]

@clever mortar yeah moved it over. Looking at OpenMQTTGateway for now 😃

[clear ferry]

A+ design imo

https://i.redd.it/ptk0lomro3331.jpg

[tacit canopy]

approves!

[tame moss]

What's that board mounted inside there @clear ferry

[clear ferry]

Guessing a RPI

[tame moss]

The thing on top of the cpu

[light trout]

Looks like a tinkerboard

[wraith zodiac]

hello guys
I purchased a chinese IP camera and I want to know if it is sending data to any server
what is the easiest way to achieve this?
I'm using wireshark from my pc on the same network but it doesn't work
even in promiscuous mode
I only see the packets that are sent to my computer

[clever mortar]

You'd need either:

1. A network tap or switch that supports port mirroring
2. To configure your laptop/PC as a network bridge and connect the camera to it instead of the network

[rare plover]

Is anyone running find3 on the same raspi as they're running hassio?

[wraith zodiac]

@clever mortar good suggestion, thanks

[deft reef]

For the oodles using sonoff (basic, rf, mini, etc), what do you do about the 10A limit on the sonoff? Do you change your breakers to be 10A also (assuming yours are higher)?

[balmy inlet]

measure current draw with a kill-a-watt and then if it has the potential to get over 10A or is over 10A I find an alternative

[deft reef]

Ah

So are you not concerned about the potential of insurance concerns if some craziness ever happened?

[clever mortar]

#diy-archived will like have more folks who can comment

[orchid rose]

as long as the draw is rated below the 10A I don't see why you should be worried about insurance. Though I've seen people talk about Sonoff not actually able to handle the 10A that it's rated at so I'd probably stay below 5A if possible

[late gate]

never draw more than constant 3-4amp through something like that. Even an EU shuko that is rated for 16A in Europe should not be used over 6A constantly or the plugs can melt. Rates are ms peak loads

[ocean mirage]

@clear ferry Listening to some of the songs from that album you linked on youtube (cause I cbf logging into to spotify lol), sounds pretty nice. Wish I could play like that

[flat lintel]

Stand back

Hey @here anyone willing to give us a Discord Boost to let us make the server a bit prettier? Anyone with Discord Nitro gets to boost. You’ll get access to an exclusive secret room only open to Discord Boosters and my undying gratitude. More info at https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360028038352-Server-Boosting-

[plucky sandal]

[ocean mirage]

Thats one quite response meme lol

[flat lintel]

😦 I just like pretty things 😦

[warm knoll]

I do agree that a banner would be good

on top of the channel list

[flat lintel]

Yep

And vanity URL and invite background and more

[warm knoll]

^

[flat lintel]

So anyone, because all of you love me, please gimme the boost

I need the boost

It’s the only way I will truly know you love me

[warm knoll]

Is the nitro boost only for normal nitro and not the classic one?

[ocean mirage]

vanity url is a lot of boosts

first two levels are nice though

[flat lintel]

It's for all nitros except the new level without games

So normal $9.99/mo Nitro and any grandfathered peoples

[fossil shore]

Most old folks are grandfathered in at the cheap level till 2020 sometime

[flat lintel]

Like me

[ocean mirage]

I'd boost if I had nitro lol

not much reason for me though

[dry holly]

3 boosts!

[flat lintel]

Those are 3 we already had

@junior forge , Paulus and @dim ginkgo

[dry holly]

well congrats!

[warm knoll]

I probably won’t be boosting anytime soon though since I was planning on getting the classic…

[flat lintel]

Wait what. I have Nitro Classic and I boosted just fine

[dry holly]

white mode...

[flat lintel]

Maybe there's a difference between grandfathered Nitro Classic and Nitro Classic today

[warm knoll]

@dry holly discord support is only in light mode :(

[dry holly]

oh

its support

i thought that was in discord

[warm knoll]

It was the support link in the @ here ping

[flat lintel]

I had to step away for a few minutes

Back now

Did we hit 100 boosts yet

[simple talon]

level 1 unlocked... that's 2 boosts

[flat lintel]

do we like the new animated server icon?

you can only see it on desktop

[balmy inlet]

I do

its purdy

[humble pond]

@flat lintel - you can see the animated icon on mobile as well if you have the hamburger menu open and the channel selected.

[flat lintel]

orly

Discord lied to me then

[humble pond]

Though we should do something other than the loading animation. For a split second I was like “where did the icon go... oh” 😂

Maybe just the middle animation with the nodes lighting up instead of the outline also being drawn.

[dim ginkgo]

I am not a fan of the animated logo in this use case. It's a blank blue square when it appears which reduces the ability to see which server you're looking for at a glance. I love that it's animated, but it should be an animation that starts recognizable, not something you have to sit around for it to become so. On Desktop it's jarring when running the mouse down the server list to have the Hass icon disappear every time you sweep over it; looks like a bug

[molten wave]

agreed. it should just loop the lights blinking

[flat lintel]

👌 I can make that happen!

[formal sluice]

hey guys does anybody have a recommendation for a good z-wave door sensor and a z-wave hub I can use? Note that I am based in Europe so pls dont recommend stuff that I cannot get here :)

[orchid rose]

Talking of that Chrome meme, Discord is slowly getting there as well...

[clever mortar]

Yeah, I've noticed that myself lately

[clear ferry]

If I could only boost on mobile, I haven't been on a desktop for over a week 😛

[clever mortar]

I can't boost, I'm on the old Nitro plan - and $50/year just to boost... no way 😛

[clear ferry]

Oh, nitro classic can't boost? Shucks

Then I don't feel too bad 😛

[hearty depot]

.. Nice device.. '00_11_22_33_44_55': hide_if_away: false icon: mac: 00:11:22:33:44:55 name: 00 11 22 33 44 55 picture: track: true
I ask me wich of my friends is a scriptkiddie

[clever mortar]

Proper sk would have DE_AD_BE_EF in there

You've found a wannabie 😛

[hearty depot]

my known_devices has around 3k lines - asking me what I ll find next

sk? aah!

[clever mortar]

script kiddie

Yeah 😄

[hearty depot]

just got it

[clever mortar]

Just enable the bluetooth device tracker, and watch that file (and your startup time) grow...

[hearty depot]

got it enabled 😅 the googlehome component

[clever mortar]

Ah, that'll do it

[clear ferry]

I need to cleanup, I have like 25 bt devices tracked now that I'm not sure who is 😛

[clever mortar]

That's why I went monitor

Now I have only the ones I want, all half dozen of them 😄

[eager trench]

I have legit devices at the top and then a marker and a script that deletes everything under the marker on startup

[clever mortar]

Much easier to avoid having them there in the first place - particularly given that known_devices.yaml is going away

[eager trench]

Yeah I agree but the router adds everything connected and GH also just adds every BT device it sees.

I should ditch the GH tracker anyway as it doesn’t work at all

[clever mortar]

It's doing what it's designed to do, which isn't necessarily what you want it to do 😉

[hearty depot]

same

[eager trench]

Well what is it designed to do????

It only sees my iPad or iPhone if I have them in BT discovery mode

And who does that?

[hearty depot]

not that - I think it was Ludeeus who wrote that with an unofficial api

[clever mortar]

It reports every Bluetooth device it sees

[eager trench]

Even though they have been connected to my phones they never connect unless I go into settings every time

[hearty depot]

I thing google uses that for their eddystone project

[clever mortar]

That's a problem with the device itself

[eager trench]

Yes it sees all kinds of random shit just not anything I actually want or that is interesting

[clever mortar]

Handful of Pi Zero Ws and monitor 😉

[hearty depot]

hoped for track_known_devices all the time

so when I want to get rid of this manymanymany random device trackers? just deleting them out of known_devices.yaml does do the trick?

[eager trench]

Yes but you have to restart HA after you edit it

[hearty depot]

adios 2920 lines of known_devices.yaml

[eager trench]

Yeah... look that’s why I wrote a shell_command to trim below a comment line

It gets out of hand fast

[hearty depot]

mhmm.. should I be woried?
https://i.imgur.com/kKbAjCo.png

[low harness]

Nah. The other three are still good

[hearty depot]

Prob. someone is mining in an Firefox tab

[late gate]

does anyone have some sleek picture pack of things like devices, rooms etc for using in ha UI?

[hearty depot]

https://i.imgur.com/pXtmoVR.png
I just run around with my phone 😃

[clear ferry]

What is those moon and star buttons in your kitchen? 🤔

[late gate]

I guess its no problem copying pictures from google since its just local use? Do you guys think that would be an issue?

[clear ferry]

Also, have you saved to GitHub? I enjoy being a GitHub voyeur 😛

[hearty depot]

Its for the evening - less Blue and dimmer - but otherwise the same scene

[kindred finch]

@hearty depot ah ein wiener ;)
looking sweet

[hearty depot]

Took some attempts 😃 thanks

[kindred finch]

i really like the internet data stuff

[hearty depot]

mini-graph-card

   - type: custom:mini-graph-card
    name: INTERNET
    icon: mdi:server
    show:
      graph: line
    entities:
      - entity: sensor.speedtest_download
        name: Download
      - entity: sensor.speedtest_upload
        name: Upload
      - entity: sensor.speedtest_ping
        name: Ping```

[gritty mesa]

so what ever happened to that thing with the cleanup of bugs/issues on github?

[hallow jolt]

Is there a community favorite for robot vacuum cleaners?

[hallow jolt]

Seems like the Xiaomi are pretty well supported. Thought I remembered seeing some differences between old and new generation.

[vapid mirage]

@hearty depot @eager trench how are y'all tracking outside of GH? (I tried GH and it seems useless)

[eager trench]

@vapid mirage I use WLAN to my Router and also the iOS app. GH is useless here as well.

[vapid mirage]

ughh. thanks for the info

even the asuswrt is broken 😦

[eager trench]

oh. My Fritz!Box is working great for Presence detection although it is a little slow

[hearty depot]

Unifi device scanner - GH is realy rather useless @vapid mirage

[hushed basalt]

Arghh

My tradfri bulbs don't fit in my light fixtures

Bulb + E27 + B22 adapter = she's too big captain

[strange vapor]

Have Unifi release official API documentation yet?

[late gate]

Is it in theory possible to unuglyfy jasvascript to figure out what library was used?

[strange vapor]

You can use things like https://beautifier.io/ which will make it easily to read, but won't help with variable names etc.

[jaunty swan]

You could look if there are any source maps

[tough vault]

Hey everybody, So I'm wondering the following, based on my current system which is working "fine" but is prone to crapping out in a "gotta go jigger the entire wifi setup" sort of way after a power failure. Not ideal, but things like Tasmota seem a LOT more stable. Here's what I'm doing - I have a set of current clamps hooked up to my US split-phase power, and through clever analog buggery, they're summing up both phases right and putting that signal in to an ESP8266 Wemos D1. So it's more of a firmware question - Is there ALREADY some package out there that has the awesome stability and flexibility of Tasmota or something similar that I can just read an analog pin, apply a multiplier and ship out as MQTT or a JSON string?

[wispy wharf]

So not sure what channel to post this into. Just noticed my person's weren't updating and looking into it it seems that all my owntracks were duplicated (I had device_tracker.owntracks_name and now have device_tracker.owntracks_name_2) for all my owntracks. No idea why so not sure if it's a config issue or a bug with owntracks. I have owntracks reporting via mqtt and it haven't made any changes to those configs that would have caused this (to my knowledge)

[mild cloak]

@wispy wharf #330944238910963714 is the better channel to ask about this type of stuff, but it's due to a change in device trackers in version 0.94 and mentioned in the release notes. You will have to do a one time maintenance to update it. Comment out or delete the owntracks entries in your known_devices.yaml file (not used anymore w/ owntracks), restart HA, then you can change the entity_id on the new one and remove the _2 via the UI.

[strange vapor]

hmm, I think I've broken this server: ssh_dispatch_run_fatal: Connection to 188.40.XX.XX port 22: message authentication code incorrect

Load had gone up to 12000+ 😄

[late gate]

Since most here is python geeks here im working on porting a websocket script to python that is using arraybuffers. In javascript / nodejs I have this: ArrayBuffer { byteLength: 12 }
Uint8Array [ 49, 73, 164, 127, 53, 13, 162, 101, 1, 1, 70, 15 ]

hot to replicate this in python?

[late gate]

First lovelace trial

[steel tartan]

I think I fixed my bedroom lifx light turning itself on at 3:30 every morning

I turned it off and left it off all night, hasn't done it since

[strange vapor]

Cheapass MSata drive in AliExpress box I was using for some HA testing went bang this morning. 32G drive, and as far as I can see it went bang as soon as it hit 16G

[clear ferry]

😂 😂 😂 😂

[strange vapor]

Meh, only a test box, and it was very very cheap.

[clear ferry]

I remember seeing some usb thumbdrives on wish that states 2tb capacity

Guessing they were 2GB 😛

[light trout]

I have one of those

Could not even handle a single PDF file 😛

[clear ferry]

Depends on your pdfs though, I've seen a 1gb pdf 😂

[light trout]

~20 MB I think

[velvet horizon]

https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/posts/20/

Command '~20' was invoked by: Ludeeus

[clear ferry]

BAD BOT

[strange vapor]

Prometheus graph stops as soon as usage on that drive hit just under 16GB 😄

In fairness, it has been working away happily for months

[clear ferry]

Just set disk quota to never exceed 15.5GB, problem solved 😛

[light trout]

@clear ferry I was wrong, It can hold 180MB of data 😛

If I try any more, windows just hangs 😛

[clear ferry]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[strange vapor]

I still have the first USB Drive I ever bought. An 8MB Disgo which cost £50

Absolute fortune when a student

Sacrificed 20 pints for 8MB!! 😄

[ocean mirage]

Oh lord that must be a bit old

beating the odds everyone loses USB drives

[clear ferry]

Lol, I still have my first x86 computer at my parents house, unfortunately they sold the Commodore in the early 90s 😅

IBM PS/2 great machine, but the sound card, video card and power supply was in the monitor if memory serves right

[light trout]

so, apple still do that for iMac 😛

[clear ferry]

Yeah, but they don't have a seperate desktop unit with the rest of the bits in it 😄

Found it, it was a ps/1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PS%2F1?wprov=sfla1

[orchid rose]

that mouse tho

[clear ferry]

I loved it

The 386 had a three button one, I hated it

[clear ferry]

Kill zombie child, force kill parent

[strange vapor]

@ocean mirage Don't think it actually works anymore. Only reason it has survived was that it ended up in a bed side locker down at my parents and I spotted it recently again

[ocean mirage]

Only one way to find out

[strange vapor]

-1```

That seems wrong....

[late gate]

anyone on today that could help with the js -> python issue? 😃

[pure vine]

kind of wishes contenental shutter fitters where more common in the uk, having moterised shutters would be nice in the summer

[leaden jackal]

@strange vapor haven't followed the discussion, but did you maybe mean this:

>>> (-1)**2
1

[clear ferry]

Well now, that was weird, some Irish guy called me from Google and wanted to talk to me about my trial period of Google cloud service, guessing it was the Google travel sensor I've been using in the past 😄

He even left a long voicemail

[opal scaffold]

hey all.
Im new here so maybe one of you can point me in the right direction? i cant pick which channel is best suited for this...

Upgrading from RPi3 to NUC... how much processing power do i really need?
I know thats like asking how long is a piece of string, but surely there are some guidelines? like need at least xyz to do video stuff, or get at least i3 for this or that reason?

Plex for example has a thing that says get x amount of passmark for x type of stream, which narrows the field to look in etc.

so i have quite a number of devices, and everything runs fine on the pi, but i want to move into video and facial recognition etc... so how much power do i really need?

[dull chasm]

facial and video

takes alot of ump

jk but i would at least say a I5 and depending on amount of cameras

[opal scaffold]

amount of cameras is a hard one. part of me says surely 3 or 4 is enough.... but surely 2 or 3 temp sensors is enough as well, and i now have 12+ of those haha so who knows...

is there a rule of thumb? or some thing to def buy or something to def not buy? I saw a comment about getting something with AVX2 for tensorflow etc

[dull chasm]

i dont use tensor flow i run 11 generic cams on a I-5 and run at 15%

they pull there images from blue iris

[opal scaffold]

Can i ask what model? just as a reference? because thers a big difference between a cheap NUC5i3RYH and a spendy NUC7i5DNKPC, both being i5's 😃
I just dont want to buy a $200 NUC when i need a $400 NUC... and neither do i want to buy a $800 one when a $200 is plenty etc

[dull chasm]

nuc5cpyh

[sand badge]

i think celerons lack AVX

so if you want to use tensorflow you'll likely need minimum i3

[opal scaffold]

thanks guys!
eyeing up a NUC6i3SYH and NUC5i5RYH going 'cheap' second hand locally...

[sand badge]

which one is cheaper

[opal scaffold]

the i5 is cheaper.... but is an auction site, so anything can happen

[sand badge]

i run a 4th Gen i5 NUC, with 2 tensorflow/2cams, CPU hits about 40/50% when that runs, other wise is its under 5%

[opal scaffold]

Hey @dull chasm , when i lookup nuc5cpyh it says it's a celeron?
@sand badge thanks, thats super helpful!

[sand badge]

how does the cost of a new NUC8i3 compare to those second hand?

[dull chasm]

son read off model number ...it could be but it runs rast so never bothered checking LOL ...was given to me

i guess i presumed the 5 was I5 ....duh

[opal scaffold]

awesome. Thanks !
I'm from New Zealand, so will price things in NZD
a new NUC8i3 here is $500
the secondhand i3 is $450 with 128GB Intel SSD5 and 16GB RAM
the secondhand i5 was a $1 reserve auction, and currently at $277, but will go up no doubt. Has 8GB ram, no HDD

[sand badge]

NUC5 = 5th Gen CPU

[dull chasm]

yea makes sense

[opal scaffold]

I think a FAQ or some kind of place where some of these options were lined out would be great? I looked for a while to try find some info on NUCs and there is plenty of disjointed info, but no real 'good' place to go to get an idea of what someone would really need?

[sand badge]

problem is everyones setup is different, remember that this works fine on a Rpi3

[opal scaffold]

for sure, but for those moving from a pi to something bigger it's a big strange move... and some simple guidelines might help some people out? as im sure im not the first to ask what NUC to get 😃

[sand badge]

that's true

tbh i also run a dev instance on a Celeron N2830
it also works fine, but cant run tensorflow

[opal scaffold]

shit like that would be great in a wiki or faq or something... for people like me who have no clue on what to use NUC wise, something like that is extremely helpful 😃

[exotic tangle]

Hey guys - I have a general question - my company just “released an app” for iOS that is not on the App Store, therefore they have this FAQ telling you how to allow their enterprise profile on my device - wouldn’t this give them deep access to my device of info they shouldn’t know?

[sand badge]

Is it a company phone?

[clear ferry]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5HxaRsnKOw5kVzoTXK42gD?si=uxfmh9KsQgqcOHhOTq15CA

[clear ferry]

Zzzz morning queues, people should stay home if they can't drive 😛

[low harness]

@dim ferry !

[clever mortar]

?

What's up @low harness

[low harness]

What's this crap?

[clever mortar]

People, joining the server

[low harness]

That didn't show up before

[clever mortar]

In your default language too, I see it in English

Nah, probably either a default setting changed, or somebody has gone making changes without discussing them first again

I'll go tap up the brain trust and see if it was the latter

Yup, it was our resident random change maker

[flat lintel]

thats right

@clever mortar did it

we should throw rotten eggs at them!

[clever mortar]

🤣

prepares air cannon for bulk return delivery of said eggs

[low harness]

Not that I don't like new people joining (Welcome @fiery hound, @outer crescent and @indigo drift! Hope you'll find what you seek and share what you know.), but I have a feeling it'd get spammy reeeal soon...

[clever mortar]

It can - not always, but I've seen channels drown under those messages

[outer crescent]

Thank you 😃 Happy to have another go at Hassio and hopefully fullfill my dream of having a badass dashboard/controlpanel

[clear ferry]

Is shouting for admin the equivalent of I need an adult! ? 😂

[low harness]

I don't even know if that was the right ping... I think I pinged some random user...

Probably should have been @ <distance> Mod

[outer crescent]

[clear ferry]

[low harness]

Sorry, admin!

[fiery hound]

@low harness I just joined, I had a question but i think I just figured it out, I don´t get the spam comment

[low harness]

At least I didn't ping here as I'm sure some would claim Tinkerer tends to do...

[clear ferry]

What about there ?

[low harness]

@fiery hound That was absolutely not aimed at you. It was just that suddenly there was a message to everyone that a new user joined, where there used to be none. I feared those messages would grow spammy.

[fiery hound]

@low harness No problem... Hi everyone

[clever mortar]

@ here "just" gets everybody online, but I think it along with @ everbody is disabled now

@ mod gets every mod, and is generally frowned upon unless there's an actual or impending fire

Or it may just result in you being mocked for some time, as every mod comes online to find out WTF is going on

[clear ferry]

But we enjoy mockery!

[clear ferry]

how hard can it be to figure out how to do a for each loop in powershell

I really need to get that training in powershell, it is completely illogical for me as a unix person 🤣

[clever mortar]

I looked at it a while back, and just noped out of there

[clear ferry]

yeah I'm starting to wonder if I should find a drywall 🤣

how can you make such an illogical language

[clever mortar]

Install WSL, use bash or zsh, call it done

[clear ferry]

well, it has to be powershell because it is going to be used in a powershell module 😛

Give me 2 more hours, I'm paid anyway

[clever mortar]

Paid to learn 🤔

Always an awesome feeling 😄

[clear ferry]

well, it was a for i in do loop I wanted

but I think I figured it out

$i = 100..500

Do {

    get-hponetwork -VLAN $i | remove-HPOVnetwork 

} While ($i -gt 501)

[clever mortar]

That looks.... like normal

(ish)

[clear ferry]

it wasn't half bad when I understood the logic in it

Just had to read 15 examples

🤣

I can tell my boss I saved 1h50 minutes then

must be good for something

[strange vapor]

Nice, Debian Buster coming out with Python 3.7 before HA deprecates Python 3.5 😄

Simplifies my deployment!

[clear ferry]

is a date finally released ?

[strange vapor]

July 6th

Already running it on a few Dev VMs, and no issues so far

[clear ferry]

nice

ERROR: locationsharinglib 3.0.11 has requirement requests~=2.21.0, but you'll have requests 2.22.0 which is incompatible. interesting during upgrade from 0.93.2 to 0.94.2

[clever mortar]

I think there may be an issue open already - I've certainly seen it discussed

[clear ferry]

I love the sassyness of the message, I require this, but you are not worthy, so you'll have this 🐷

[clever mortar]

🤣

[clear ferry]

I wish we could have more messages that taunt the users in the logs

@light trout make it so

[velvet horizon]

Ludeeus is away for 14h 16m 14s with a message :point_right: "away" adverb
"to or at a distance from a particular place, person, or thing."

[midnight adder]

ugh why are automated curtains so expensive 😦

even automated blind rollers are like a hundred bucks

[strange vapor]

Fairly niche market, so lack of economy of scale?

[midnight adder]

i just wanna be even lazier than i normally am

[clear ferry]

the xiaomi ones aren't that expensive I think

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32872671734.html

oh, you still need the track also

[strange vapor]

I really need to start playing with some Xiaomi gear. When I finish the lights and appliances, I might eventually get around to it!

[clear ferry]

I love all the sensors and buttons

[midnight adder]

i have a whole bunch of xiaomi stuff, works great

lately I've been purchasing tuya smartplugs, they're really nice as well

[strange vapor]

Haven't played with the Tuya stuff either. As it stands at the moment, I have no reliance on any cloud services for any automation and I'm happy to keep it that way. Only exception being one which keeps an eye on the train timetable and lets me know if I'm running late.

[midnight adder]

I'm flashing my tuya stuff as we speak

xiaomi stuff is controlled via wifi

might get that $5 subscription if this all works out so i can improve my google assistant stuff

[tawny pebble]

@midnight adder I swear, I opened Discord just for writing the same thing that you just said! But mine's got a question.

After purchasing those smart plug from Xiaomi, which are great, i wonder if there are other smart plugs with power reporting (i do not need an graph out of that, simply how many Watt that thing connected to is currently consuming).

The xiaomi are great but in order to use that I'd need a EU/DE adaptor and this, plus the xiaomi itself, i have 10Cm of plugs from the wall socket to the actual device power spine.

.. any?

[midnight adder]

the schuko tuya plug has a built-in power meter!

[tawny pebble]

gonna check it out, thanks!

[midnight adder]

lemme find the one i ordered

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Lonsonho-Smart-Plug-Wifi-Smart-Socket-Tuya-Smart-Life-App-EU-France-US-AU-UK-Poland/32901221191.html

the 2 pin EU plug is the one with monitor

[strange vapor]

@tawny pebble I'm using the Aeotech ones which are, em, expensive, but have been extremely reliable.

[tawny pebble]

Btw, my xiaomi runs over Zigbee, which i prefer. Using Zigbee2mqtt you dont need xiaomi's gateway. I have plenty of xiaomi devices spread at home

@strange vapor will be checking this as well, thanks!

[midnight adder]

I also own a 3 pin one that I got by accident which surprisingly hooks into HASS automatically

but it doesn't have any monitor at all and the rgb led isn't as good

do note that the relay in these plug make an audible 'tick' when you switch the power on/off

[clear ferry]

flashing the tuya ones were easy

[midnight adder]

some people whine about that but if anything I prefer it because it's a solid indicator the power went on

[clear ferry]

so that was nice

to get them local and MQTT

[tawny pebble]

@midnight adder same, i kinda like it

[midnight adder]

hrm tuya-convert doesn't seem to bring up the AP

[midnight adder]

yeah I can't seem to get it to work 😦

@clear ferry you said it was easy, what steps did you take? I'm following whatever is on the github but my phone can't even grab an ip address

[clear ferry]

https://github.com/ct-Open-Source/tuya-convert

Followed this with my pi

[midnight adder]

might have to bring out the rpi after all, I'm using my laptop right now

[clear ferry]

never tried that, had a spare pi, worked flawlessly

just remember to press ENTER after you have connected your smartphone

I forgot five times

and got so irritated I gave up for two days

[midnight adder]

yeah the ap goes up but my phone isn't getting an ip assigned

i tried going static by assigning my phone [phone] but all i get are dots

[clear ferry]

had no issues with that on the pi 🤷

[midnight adder]

if i do that the pairing process does halt tho and the plug goes from blinking lights to silent

guess I'll flash an sd card and try my rpi

[tawny pebble]

are you trying to replace the firmware on those power plugs of Lonsonho to have them working mqtt locally? If so, why? do they require their own gateway, or?

[midnight adder]

they work on their own but i want to attach them to some xiaomi wireless switches

my plan is to hide a bunch behind the tv cabinet

[tawny pebble]

i see, so to turn them on/off by using this switch

[midnight adder]

yep

out of the box they only do google assistant through the tuya app

[tawny pebble]

wasn't it better then, to just use sonoff switches? those directly connected to the wires

[midnight adder]

which works fine except that google assistant sees them as two devices

probably? I like re-usability tho

plus sonoff switches don't do power monitoring do they

[tawny pebble]

I mean, instead of connecting the power plug, you could go behind the powe socket itself

well, true, if using throu these plugs it's reausable

afaik no

[midnight adder]

right now i do mostly use them to turn dumb lights on/off

because getting smart bulbs for everything is crazy expensive

[tawny pebble]

unless, again, you'd use such relays and connect your roof lights from these. I skipped this and bought P hue. I sold my soul for buying 6 light bulbs.

[midnight adder]

oh yeah nothing against smart bulbs, I have two yeelights

it's just that I only have two sockets in the entire house lol

everything else is standing lamps or spots

[tawny pebble]

I see.. well, i read that some of these tuya plugs could be shipped with an updated firmware which prevents this hack to run. Hope it's not your case

[midnight adder]

the spots in the kitchen will probably just get put on a smart plug as well, it's some janky stuff that ends with a transformer brick on a regular plug

yeah i hope so too

[clear ferry]

@tawny pebble because we don't want to use a cloud based service 😛

[late gate]

anyone know how this: t + l < n.length && (e |= (255 & n[t + l]) << 8 * t) would translate from js to python?

[low harness]

replace n.length with len(n) and you're good to go.

Or wait.. maybe the assignment won't return a value...

[tawny pebble]

@clear ferry just.. don't 😂 😂 😂 i thought it was only running on the cloud but no it's not. just like for the xiaomi, you don't have to use their hub (which makes aliexpress reviews and Faq kinda useless), which makes them non-cloud 😄 .
Maybe, you lose access to some features of the device, but i don't think that's interesting.

[late gate]

@low harness Here is the original function in js:

function deserializeDWord(n, l) {
for (var e = 0, t = 0; t < 4; t++) t + l < n.length && (e |= (255 & n[t + l]) <<
8 * t);
return l += 4, e
}

[midnight adder]

i just want to flash the plugs to give me more functionality

google assistant is great and all but routines are a pain to set up and are very limited

don't care much for cloud or not since most of my stuff is xiaomi and the mi app works fine

plus i use the hub as a night light

[tawny pebble]

@midnight adder good luck there mate! I am using a smart power plug (the Alexa one, i had it for free) for a led strip and the broadlink Rmpro.
From alexa, one routine i have, is "let's play a game" and this turns on the Tv and amplifier thanks to the rmpro and the led strip thanks to the power socket.
Man, just take iron man and tell him there's a new guy in town 😂 😂 😂 😂

[clear ferry]

@tawny pebble even if you run with the xiaomi hub you aren't cloud bound, it is still local control

[midnight adder]

the main beef i have with google assistant is that it sees the tuya plugs both as plugs and lights (because of the rgb ring)

thing is, when you turn off the light part it also turns off the plug

[clear ferry]

I still do that, but have parts for zigbee2mqtt on their way

[midnight adder]

result: when I say "turn off all the lights" the plug goes down too

[clear ferry]

just ignore the light part @midnight adder ;-)

[midnight adder]

google assistant doesn't allow you to ignore devices

yeah.

[clear ferry]

sure it does, just don't expose them

[tawny pebble]

i think you can now, in the cloud of HA you can now choose what google assistant sees. i checked it yesterday aftr the upgtrade to 0.94

[clear ferry]

has been like that for quite some time @tawny pebble

[midnight adder]

the tuya app exposes everything, google home doesn't allow you to selectively whitelist devices when importing from apps

[clear ferry]

since inception if memory serves right

[midnight adder]

hence why I want to flash so i can do it more native

[clear ferry]

oh, the tuya bit, I don't know, I don't use it

[tawny pebble]

@clear ferry i don't dig that much 😱

[low harness]

Something like python def deserialize(n, l): e = 0 for t in range(4): if t + l < len(n): e |= (255 & n[t+l]) << 8*t return e
But you'd need to increase l by four between each call.

Would probably be easier to understand if you could find the un-minified version, @late gate

[midnight adder]

yum

tasty magic numbers

[clear ferry]

I also love that the device tracker icon is always the same size, so I look like the fat giant I am 💃

My circumferance is Oslo

[tawny pebble]

Black humor here (pls no ban): Wonder where HA would fit ur mother then 😂

</blackhumor>

[clear ferry]

woo, you can write powershell commands that actually look normal too, this was way simpler

  while ($num -gt 501) { continue } ; get-hpovnetwork -Name 100_$num | remove-HPOVnetwork -Confirm:$false
}

[light trout]

Your icon is covering up my location @clear ferry 😜

[clear ferry]

Jewsus, it's raining cats and dogs, I'm wet all over from 10m outside

[light trout]

Lol, I was outside 5mins ago, no rain, turned around now, demn 😮

[clear ferry]

Yeah, hopefully my 200l water tank outside my greenhouse is filling up, ready for my ha integration 😛

[midnight adder]

@clear ferry i got tuya-convert working, but what do i actually flash it with now

[clear ferry]

It's all in the guide 😛

[midnight adder]

it talks about a sonoff-tasmota build, is that all i need?

or did start_flash.sh already do everything

[clear ferry]

Yes, then you can flash it with esphome after if you want

[hearty depot]

does vlan count to the firewall configuration?
I know that you apply firewall roules to vlans

[clever mortar]

VLAN is a logically separate network

[clear ferry]

Now that is a vague and not definable question

[clever mortar]

It's very clear, the answer is probably

Or maybe

[clear ferry]

😂

[clever mortar]

Maybe even it depends

[hearty depot]

the german to english problem in my head 🤣

[clever mortar]

It will, at least in part, depend on what firewall

And what the underlying question really is

[hearty depot]

Rather doing a course in Firewalls or vlan configuration

[clear ferry]

Networking 101 might be a good start

[hearty depot]

True

[clever mortar]

My personal view is... don't confuse matters

By and large, a VLAN is a separate network, like a Docker container is a separate computer

(they're not, entirely, but from a high level it's close enough)

[clear ferry]

😛

[clever mortar]

Treat it like explaining the basics of a car engine to a new driver 😉

They don't really need to know how the compression cycle works, or the magic of cam-rods

[clear ferry]

But it helps!

[clever mortar]

Eventually, if they like to drive "with enthusiasm"

[hearty depot]

atm I have even my problems to let iptables stick 😅

[clever mortar]

IPTables is easy enough 😛

[tawny pebble]

@midnight adder what was the issue then?

[clever mortar]

I remember IPChains...

[clear ferry]

Chains...

[midnight adder]

@tawny pebble it doesn't like the laptop i guess

it worked off the rpi

[clear ferry]

Good old 2.2 isn't it?

[clever mortar]

Aye

Back when firewall rules were a thing of confusion, since it consisted of 18 different parts that all had their own separate logic

[hearty depot]

Unlike iptables, ipchains is stateless.. Hey! just like my tables 🤣

[clever mortar]

Stateless is a PITA

Well, if you want it secure it is

[light trout]

Looks dry

[hearty depot]

Is fluffy and tasty
like it most when filled like a burger

[tawny pebble]

Looks like you never had one 😋

[clear ferry]

Ipchains is probably before most people here were born 😛

[hearty depot]

1999?

[light trout]

Sounds right

[midnight adder]

alright so its now running tasmota and i can access it from the browser

but the on/off toggle isn't doing jack shit

[clear ferry]

Isn't that when @light trout was born? 😛

[light trout]

Shhhh

[clear ferry]

@midnight adder you need to apply a working profile

It's in the wiki somewhere

[median gust]

Is there a hardware channel, or can I ask hardware questions here?

[clear ferry]

What hardware?

[midnight adder]

ah i have to select a template

oh jeez how do i know which one to use

[clear ferry]

There are some generic ones I think

But you should find your device in the list

https://open.spotify.com/track/2hSnSkBmrZdOfINTbEK9wa?si=H_vTId-nRIKqp4rh8lnjZA

[midnight adder]

the only tuya device is "Tuya Dimmer"

oh cool they have a repo

[clear ferry]

There are pictures in the device wiki you can find it from 😀

That's how I found mine

[midnight adder]

ET RGB, there we go

[clear ferry]

Zzzz stuck in traffic as usual

[midnight adder]

yaaay it worked

[tawny pebble]

@midnight adder it seems there's a lot of work for having these plugs working, but honestly, when it's rgb this hassle is well worth

😂

[clear ferry]

Not a lot, takes 2 minutes when you've done it once

[midnight adder]

it's more an issue of documentation written by the developer without actually making sure it's easy to follow by the end user

everything open source in a nutshell really

it's simple enough in the end, yeah

[tawny pebble]

no one likes writing documentation 😂 devs sometimes even less but yeah happy u have it working now! If someday i'll decide to use these over the xiaomi's, at least i know i'll have to hit my head a bit before having them working

[midnight adder]

only reason i have these instead of the xiaomi plugs is because xiaomi still doesn't have schuko

[late gate]

@low harness yeah I wish - I copied the code off an ESP so I dont have the source. Trying to create an API that using the methods they are using (sending binary to a websocket). I dont know if that DWord-functions is part of a library

I just have a huge minimized js file - is it possible to reverse that without having the source?

[midnight adder]

oh lucky i didn't brick my other plug

the other plug i tried earlier no longer reacts to the 5 second reset press and shows up as purple so i thought i bricked it, but tuya-convert still picks it up

lets flash this one as well and have two sonoff plugs

[valid halo]

Hey yall

I've had an advebterous week

I'm in the hospital for pneumonia

[midnight adder]

second plug is working too

[clever mortar]

Hope you're getting better

[midnight adder]

@tawny pebble alright so it's pretty easy if you have a raspberry pi laying around.

Don't bother trying a laptop or a vm with usb wifi, didn't work for me

[tawny pebble]

@midnight adder I have both, i run fedora on the office laptop and a raspberry used for testing stuff only, currently idling somewhere home. thanks!

[midnight adder]

next step: hooking them up to HA

this guide is somewhat easy to follow https://github.com/arendst/Sonoff-Tasmota/wiki/RGB-Smart-Plug-16A

[clear ferry]

I used to run fedora in 2003-2005 but I haven't touched it since

Ran it as a desktop actually

Fedora core 2 comes to mind 🤔

[hearty depot]

Aaarg its so deam hot here.. and this deam Mobile AC isnt powerful enough...

[normal ferry]

I was at a local retailer today (actually it's the Greek version of the German Saturn chain), called MediaMarkt and I was surprised to see that they sell (for a significantly high price) the Xiaomi security Kit with EU plug (speaking english and stuff).

That was interesting , since I never read Xioami releasing european plugged variants of its products.

I'm wondering if their firmware is HA-compatible.

[hearty depot]

We got both of them here in Austria (I guess in germany too)
intressting - I think so meight be the same server (why borther to make an extra infra stucture)

[trail crag]

https://hackaday.com/2019/06/12/shorting-pins-on-a-raspberry-pi-is-a-bad-idea-pmic-failures-under-investigation/

[valid halo]

Yes sir getting better sir

[fast lotus]

hello all!

I'new to both discord and home assistant.

[tawny pebble]

@hearty depot Oh, a Austrian mate! Servus!
@clear ferry Also in 2003 i was using fedora (and few others) but luckily Linux in general improved a lot since then. I was too tired to fix problems that I moved to Windows (and found some nice others)

[hearty depot]

I think we had already the pleasure - youre from Salzburg? Or do I have the wrong person in mind..

[clear ferry]

You are both sauerkrauts anyway

❤

@fast lotus https://blog.ceard.tech/2019/04/breaking-up-automationsroom-activity.html?m=1 http://blog.ceard.tech/2019/03/presence-detection-are-we-nearly-there.html

[tribal palm]

Hi

I'm using GoControl CECOMINOD016164 HUSBZB-1 USB Hub to control and access zigbee devices

I also bought a smartthings water and temp sensor

I'm able to get these details like

NWK: 0x8073
IEEE: 28:6d:97:00:01:06:29:50
Endpoints:
1: profile=0x104, device_type=DeviceType.IAS_ZONE
Input Clusters:
Basic (0)
Power Configuration (1)
Identify (3)
Poll Control (32)
Temperature Measurement (1026)
IAS Zone (1280)
Diagnostic (2821)
Output Clusters:
Identify (3)
Ota (25)

But what i want is ===============================
endpoint #1

basic cluster
All supported attributes
'0x0000-zcl_version' = 2
'0x0001-app_version' = 9
'0x0003-hw_version' = 0
'0x0004-manufacturer' = b'Samjin'
'0x0005-model' = b'water'
'0x0007-power_source' = 0
'0x4000-sw_build_id' = b''

Something like this

with all the details

how do i move forward with that?

Basically i want all the supported attributes and commands for a given cluster

How can i do it with bellows zcl command?

[clear ferry]

@tribal palm probably #zigbee-archived talk

[tribal palm]

Sure, thank you

[tawny pebble]

@hearty depot we've talked already yes but not that long (: I'm from Italy and moved 9 years ago to Austria. Innsbruck first, Vienna now. From time to time i go to Salzburg,, that city is just stunning

[clear ferry]

I need to go road tripping in Austria and Switzerland, with a convertible in the summer ❤

[tawny pebble]

gonna be wunderbar!

[orchid rose]

I'll try my luck again. Has anyone looked at how to have "conversations" with a google home? It looked rather complicated when I tried to look how to do it, and I couldn't get anywhere myself. Or does anyone know if you can trigger routines without talking to the GH?

I'm looking for options to make GH ask me when to set an alarm

[open hull]

Routines can be scheduled in their configuration

The noteworthy part being "set a time and day"

It may be possible to make one of your commands be "set an alarm" and schedule it for, say, 9 pm and then your assistant will ask you what time to set the alarm on the designated speaker

[orchid rose]

what I'm trying to do is have the assistant ask when to set an alarm when I go to bed. So the bed sensor needs to be able to trigger it

[mint escarp]

Any downside / limitation with running HA inside docker vs just going with hass.io

[clear ferry]

You don't get add-ons if you use those 🤷

[mint escarp]

Can you not install the add ons but manually ? Or have the same functions via shell

[clear ferry]

Not in the same way no, hassio is what enabled the add-ons

[mint escarp]

I know of the add ons but not a lot. My understanding was the add ons just add things that can already be done via shell commands

Isn’t one of them samba and ddns maybe I’m missing something

[clear ferry]

I don't use hassio or add-ons and I survived 🤷

[mint escarp]

Cool didn’t want to do run hass.io if I’m honest

Just didn’t know if there were components I wouldn’t have access to or if support wasn’t as good because hass.io is the new hotness lol. Also I’m guessing both work with HA cloud

[clear ferry]

Yes

[velvet horizon]

@mint escarp List of FAQs, including one explaining the difference between Home Assistant (the software) and Hass.io (an installer).

Command '.faq' was invoked by: atxbyea

[opal scaffold]

Just wanted to say thanks to @dull chasm and @sand badge for the feedback on NUCs. Just bought a second hand NUC7i3BNK :-D which should be plenty fast to run just home assistant haha :-D

[dull chasm]

No problem glad ur happy

[strange vapor]

Have a NUC Vesa Mounted behind my TV for Kodi duties. They're brilliant little machines.

[runic iris]

I've woken up to the duckdns addon in hassio not being able to connect. Pretty certain it's a DNS issue. It's an Ubuntu VM, and nmcli doesn't list a DNS for the network adapter. I know I can hard code a DNS but I'd prefer the Ubuntu server to carry on getting it from the DHCP server as it has for months previously...any tips on what I can look at /look for?

[clear ferry]

@runic iris #330990055533576204

[runic iris]

Sorry, thought it seemed more ubuntu specific than hassio related

[clear ferry]

If the problem is with the add-on 🤷

[tawny pebble]

Aliexpress logic:

1x CC2531 = 3,39€
Shipment: 0,25c

2x CC2531 = 3,39€
Shipment: 3,64€

Sure, different delivery method and faster. But i preferred the 25c delivery.

[clear ferry]

Never used one of these before,but it was genius

[dull chasm]

Stepper bits are the shit

[clear ferry]

I never dared, I've had them in my drawer for years

My automatic greenhouse is taking shape

[ocean mirage]

Yeah those step bits are handy

Looking good mate

[tawny pebble]

@clear ferry looks interesting. what you doing there?

[clear ferry]

It's a 16 channel WiFi relay that I'm going to use to control solenoid valves, water pump and fans in my greenhouse

[tawny pebble]

Alright! nice project you have there then

[clear ferry]

I have a 200l water collector bucket with pipes attached to the rain channels on my greenhouse,it fills up pretty quickly, and I have solar panels on the side of the greenhouse that charge a 12v battery bank I'm building

And the WiFi relay is natively supported in ha

https://www.home-assistant.io/components/hlk_sw16/

I need to get the second box up,I have too many components just laying around in boxes 😂

[tawny pebble]

@clear ferry i was searching the same:
there are wifi switches on aliexpress which i want to try. reason is zigbee is good and everything but sometimes wifi is better.
Actually, i would like to wire (no wifi then) the power sockets on walls. i'm looking ways for doing it.
Yesterday the Xiaomi zigbee power plug failed. after i turned on the Wasching machine, this sonofabitch shut down after few minutes i started the washing cycle

[clear ferry]

😂 😂

[tawny pebble]

@clear ferry silly question.. why does it have 3 pins for each channel?

[clear ferry]

Normally open / normally closed

And input

[tawny pebble]

ahsoooo! - thanks!

[pastel ore]

Howdy all... Whoo, good grief, feel like I'm looking at jumping into the deep end haha

[clear ferry]

We don't bite @pastel ore

[light trout]

Liar!

[pastel ore]

Haha

Yeah, I'm a tinkerer by nature but... Mostly done desktop PCs and such heh. First time homeowner to boot, so wife and I are looking at options. So far, Home Assistant looks to be the best bet (the little smart home stuff we have so far is all through Google Assistant currently).

[clear ferry]

I started dismantling my electric toy cars and putting them back together again when I was 3 my father tells me, been tinkering since 😄

[pastel ore]

Nice

[late gate]

I think the best compliment the HA team can be when the WAF factor in this house is the spouse started using HA lovelace on their phone

Problem is now I start getting requests :p

[clear ferry]

My wife started doing that 6 months ago 😂

[late gate]

now its more like why cant I see monthly usage of water?

im more "its coming"

hehe

[clear ferry]

She's even started using the Google home hub

[late gate]

here too, just alexa

but im not totally forgiven for buying so much stuff

[orchid rose]

Haha, that's pretty cute. So much (sometimes) useful stuff you can do with HA

[unreal orbit]

We hardly even use Alexa anymore. Most things we used to use it for are now automated. Kitchen timers is her primary function now

[orchid rose]

For me there are still timers and such that can't be automated.. Maybe I need a HER for the rest

[valid halo]

Good news gang

My HA is still running even while I'm in hospital

Thank you Pi

[wary jolt]

@@valid halo, Why are you in the hospital? Everything alright?

[valid halo]

I got pneumonia. Got sick. Getting better

[wary jolt]

Glad that you are doing better!

[tidal fjord]

Anyone around to help me out? I’m trying to setup Spotify but I’ve just started with HA today. It’s running in docker, I’ve gotten a few buttons and I frames configured but want to get a Media tab going for my google homes around the house.

I have the app created on the developer page and everything but not sure where to go from there

I suppose this would go in #frontend-archived or #330944238910963714 but not sure

[clear ferry]

@tidal fjord it's pretty well documented in the Spotify docs, have you done all the steps for the app, then plotted in the needed information in configuration.yaml ?

[tidal fjord]

Like adding this? “
media_player:

• platform: spotify
  client_id: YOUR_CLIENT_ID
  client_secret: YOUR_CLIENT_SECRET
  aliases:
  abc123def456: 'Living Room'
  9183abas000: 'Bed Room'”

If so, yes and it breaks my Config lol maybe I’m putting it in the wrong place or something

I’ll mess with it tomorrow some more, gotta be up in 5 hours lol

[clear ferry]

Lets move over to #330944238910963714

[midnight adder]

So my tile died because apparently you cant change batteries in the old ones ( they expire in the app !?) . Any good alternative for BLE beacons ?

[clear ferry]

Probably a million on AliExpress

[low harness]

I think if you use it as a ble tracking device without the app you can change the battery.

It isn't very pretty, though...

[hearty depot]

This little fella still works
My guess is that you have to be fast swapping out the battery

[valid halo]

New tiles let you swap

[low harness]

They got lots and lots of critique about that in the first versions...

[rustic mountain]

Hello all. Looking for recommendations for the best 3D printer for someone getting started. Want to start out making some cases for some sensors

[dull chasm]

i keep seeing the endor 3 pro popping up all the time

but i dont have any

[river fractal]

Can someone help me install homeassistant on pi zero w I'm stack

[dull chasm]

Pi zero is a no go

[river fractal]

Why?

[dull chasm]

Really you have to ask

It’s a zero

[clever mortar]

Zero makes a good platform for low powered activities. Home Assistant is not low powered 😉

That sounds like a #330944238910963714 question 🤔

[tough vault]

whoops!!!

yeah it is

[clever mortar]

That's ok, my snark level is low today, you get a free pass 😛

[tough vault]

back to your whiskey then.

[clever mortar]

That sounds like a plan...

[clear ferry]

Whiskey, wouldn't have expected @clever mortar to drink such low quality alcohol, keep whisky proper 😛

[clever mortar]

If I'm mixing it, it's ok 😉

Also 🎉 @clear ferry 😉

[clear ferry]

I'm blue dabba de dabba da? 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

[clever mortar]

Yeah...

Looks like somebody noticed you

Or mistook you for a smurf...

[light trout]

Last one, definitly the last one

[clear ferry]

If you can ignore me I'll be impressed.. 😛

[clever mortar]

🤣

[clear ferry]

The wife tries

[dull chasm]

@clear ferry I did that 20 years ago

[clear ferry]

Tried to ignore me 20 years ago ? 😛

[dull chasm]

Yep

I did loran 30 years ago

[clear ferry]

Typical

https://i.redd.it/ipvod31laab01.jpg

[unreal orbit]

Hopefully someone made a Visual Basic GUI for that python 6 malware encryption

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU

[light trout]

D.E.O *

[clever mortar]

Yeah, watching some US drama program tonight that talked about threat to national security and hacking... and ... just... had to stop watching

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/xxziw2d0mxsz.png

[clever mortar]

And then we get CSI's "hard drive"

This is why geeks shouldn't watch programs with tech... 😄

[light trout]

Enemy within?

[unreal orbit]

Or watching shows containing anything medical while watching with a nurse/doctor

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/hz6w6c64hryz.png

[valid halo]

YOU Don't download to an air gapped pc

You just plug random USB drives in like normal people

[trim finch]

uhhh i think the joke was non-networked firewalled 😄

[quiet cobalt]

just got my xiaomi vacuum gen 1 any iders that ppl have don with there an if there have add it to there HA

[clear ferry]

@quiet cobalt is that a roborock or something else?

[quiet cobalt]

its that one but gen 1 i think gen 2 it the roborock with an mop

[clear ferry]

A lot of people have their roborock in ha atleast, I have it fully integrated with custom frontend buttons, I can call out rooms for it to clean in Google assistant and when both me and the wife leaves the house it starts automatically 🤓

[late gate]

It it anyone that recognizes li brary i python that shits bytes? (convert int to bye with shifting=

[clever mortar]

💩 bytes... 🤔

[light trout]

I think reddit do a lot of 💩 bytes

[late gate]

Im just trying to see if the library im trying to use originally used a tool to do this

type

... if len(id) < 0:
for code in id:
def f(code=code, a=a, i=i):
self.WebSocket_SerializeDWord(self.SERIAL, u, i)
i += 2
return f(code, a, i)

this could be from something

[light trout]

learn python, don't try to mimic minified JS in python

[late gate]

yeah, well the point is im trying to figure out how they did it.

[light trout]

ask them 🤷

[late gate]

asked, and just get reply go ahead, but we wont share. use the code you got

so I got a 20k line js minify and figurured out most of it

[light trout]

https://www.learnpython.org/

[late gate]

I can do python, just harder when im need to take a code, padd it with btes, make an array etc

making on a HA component

funny thins is they want tit, but dont want to help making it except that code I have

[light trout]

find out what it does, then replicate that in python

[late gate]

I know what it does, that I can read from the code. Already working on making it python native 😃

just asking if anyone know if exist a library that would be used for padding int to bytes

[velvet horizon]

:point_up: Let me Google that for you...

Here , try this:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=python+padding+int+to+bytes

Command '.lmgtfy' was invoked by: Ludeeus

[valid halo]

Ring is being a dumb. My sensors haven't updated in a week. Stupid cloud junk

Reads as last updated 227 hours ago

[clear ferry]

Cloud, for n00bs

Cloudy with a chance of downtime 😛

We have sold "cloud" for 12 years, I still make airquotes when I talk to customers about it 😂

[clever mortar]

My favourite descriptor is somebody else's computer

That helps people start thinking about it not being under their control, and so uptime becomes an interesting thing

[clear ferry]

I love it when they always make the argument about cost, had a development company calculate it, because they need CPU to actually be available to compile and have enough memory available, it ended up 3x more expensive than buying local hardware 😛 even with power and cooling included

[clever mortar]

Yeah, I've been there many times. You do the three year projection, and suddenly cloud becomes scary expensive. I'd one case where we could replace the whole server yearly, and still be cheaper than with cloud

[dull chasm]

well no shit you are paying for equipment , personell and upkeep...... i knew that 20 years ago

[clever mortar]

Old man...

[valid halo]

Everything is cloud if you think about it

[dull chasm]

coming from the old fart

[clever mortar]

Yup

😛

[valid halo]

Discord. Youtube. Email

It's all SOMEONE ELSE'S

[clever mortar]

My email for long enough was on prem 😉

[valid halo]

I have no control

I am a puppet on cat7 strings

[clear ferry]

I moved all my 300.000 mails to outlook 365 last year, took some time when I had been saving them in offline pst files for 11 years 😛

[quartz ether]

How big was your pst file JESUS

[clear ferry]

I had many, totalling 120gb if memory serves right

And only 5% of it is newsletters or similar, the rest is relevant work email 🤷

[quartz ether]

How is something 11years old still relevant....

[clear ferry]

I work with servers that were installed in the 90s and occasionally something installed in the 80s or 70s, the last 11 years is HIGHLY relevant 😛

Heck I work daily with servers that are 10-15 years old

And customer mail chains that are equally long

[quartz ether]

Lol that is actually a fair reason. Must be a good sorting / coding system you have setup to be able to track that stuff down.

[late gate]

argh, still stuggling with the js -> python movement. Could someone please look at this js code and see whats the best way to do this the python way? https://www.codepile.net/pile/8xNvl0xK

[light trout]

https://stackoverflow.com <-- Try there

[late gate]

true, its a bit related cause it will end up as HA component 😃

I have it made in node, but trying to make it py

[light trout]

I'm not sending you there for lack of relevance, I'm doing that becasuse you have tried this for several weeks, with no found soulution on this server, that probably means it's time to try somewhere else 😉

[late gate]

Well thats not that true, got great help a couple of days ago with a function. But of course I can post there too. No offence 😃

[late gate]

Actually I got it working myself 😃

[valid halo]

I'm going home everyone

Ten long days later

[clear ferry]

https://i.imgur.com/bXnb0u4.jpg

Ooof

[clever mortar]

Well, it presumably works...

Tech macguyvering at it's finest

[clear ferry]

Yeah, but with all the monitor adapters I have collected over the years it just hurts me

I have never thrown a monitor cable or adapter away 😂 😂

I need to take a picture of my cupboard

[clever mortar]

Last time we moved house, I recycled boxes of old cables

Including a stack of obscure SCSI cables that few would even remember

I trimmed my collection down to only things that were likely be used, which did include a bunch of obscure or custom adapters

[valid halo]

Finally home 😂 😂 😂

[late gate]

thanks for the help all guys with my js to python project even @light trout (haha) - finally running api and ready to start making the component! 😃

[velvet horizon]

Ludeeus is away for 3h 5m 28s with a message :point_right: .... I doubt there is enough 🍻 /🥃 in the world for this...

[halcyon venture]

If I want to setup Alexa to control my lights through HA will I be able to just say "Alexa turn on the kitchen lights"?

is the hue emulated bridge the best way to do this?

[clear ferry]

Is that what the hue emulated stuff is for? I haven't looked at it yet, for Google home we just say 'turn on kitchen lights' and as long as the lights are added to the room there is no other config to do 🤷

[halcyon venture]

hmm interesting, yeah reading it now. sounds like you have to emulate a hue bridge so Alexa uses that to find the lights. Going to give it a try, since I ditched wink this is the one part I've been missing. Would be great if I can still have it as it use to be without changing how you say it. It would make the wife happy. Anytime non tech people have to relearn smart home stuff its a struggle 😂

looks like you can do this for google home too

[clear ferry]

My daughter of 8 months is learning to control the house as I do, she stares at my home hubs when they respond and I yell at them 😛

[clever mortar]

cloud or alexa are the best way

[velvet horizon]

Tinkerer is away for 16m 39s with a message :point_right: I'll take you to the seven seas of rhye

[clear ferry]

Found a gif of ludeuus maintaining his python powers https://gfycat.com/adorableonlygardensnake

[sacred hornet]

@light trout i just updated HACS to v0.8 and now it wont let HA load up. HA loads only if i disable HACS from the config file

[light trout]

So?

[sacred hornet]

two possibilities, namely 1) im an idiot (most likely); or 2) maybe there is a bug?

below is the log extract from the hass docker

[light trout]

No

Dont

Stop

[sacred hornet]

ok

[light trout]

Open an issue on GitHub, that is the correct place for this 😉

[sacred hornet]

cool

issue submitted

[sacred hornet]

@light trout thanks for all your awesome work 😃

[clear ferry]

Poop, my automated greenhouse has hit a snag, the 240l/h pumps I had ordered from AliExpress aren't powerful enough,I need something with atleast double this power 😞

[hearty depot]

2 of them?

[light trout]

4

[clever mortar]

You need redundancy 😉

[dull chasm]

240l/h thats so in the 80's

[tawny pebble]

@clear ferry 12 or 24 v? for my super hyper gaming workstation I use a industrial 12V pump. It's a sanso pdh 054

[clear ferry]

12v

@dull chasm i notice that now, I thought it would be more 😛

[tawny pebble]

It's cheap and powerful as 3x D5 pumps

[clear ferry]

I need to find a new pump by Tuesday though, I leave on a flight on Thursday 😛

[tawny pebble]

I'd give Sanso a try. they have also 24V but since you need 12v.. I love this pump, really. But of course it depends by your needs. You wouldn't use it to fill a swimming pool 😆

[clear ferry]

I think I'll need to stop by a aquarium store tomorrow, Norway's biggest is downtown Oslo,and I'm going in to a customer tomorrow anyway 😛

[clear ferry]

I have two pumps though i might try to connect them in parallel to see if the flow is sufficient 🤔

[solar basalt]

Yo

I need help with sumething

[clever mortar]

Finding your way to the right channel?

Finding the answer to Live, the Universe, and Everything?