#the-water-cooler | Home Assistant | Page 349

mighty summit Mar 19, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Any one here knowledgable on Proxmox ?

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 9:53 AM

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ESXi 4 lyfe 🎉

mighty summit Mar 19, 2019, 9:54 AM

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is that a no ?

proven spruce Mar 19, 2019, 9:55 AM

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knowledgable can be a lot of things

light trout Mar 19, 2019, 9:55 AM

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That is a "He know enough to state that ESXi is a better alternative"

mighty summit Mar 19, 2019, 9:56 AM

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@light trout it is ? Why? (in short)

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 9:56 AM

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I hold a VCP-DCV5\5.5\6\6.5 and studying for VCP-NV6 so I might be biased 🤷

mighty summit Mar 19, 2019, 9:56 AM

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are those Voltages ?

proven spruce Mar 19, 2019, 9:56 AM

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those codes mean nothing to us

light trout Mar 19, 2019, 9:56 AM

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Those are certifications (I'm guessing)

proven spruce Mar 19, 2019, 9:56 AM

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or made up

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 9:57 AM

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hf gl 😄 https://www.vmware.com/content/dam/digitalmarketing/vmware/en/pdf/certification/vmware-certification-tracks-diagram.pdf

light trout Mar 19, 2019, 9:57 AM

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.lmgtfy VCP-DCV6.5

velvet horizonBOT Mar 19, 2019, 9:57 AM

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:point_up:

Let me Google that for you...

Here, try this => http://lmgtfy.com/?q=VCP-DCV6.5

proven spruce Mar 19, 2019, 9:58 AM

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cool, that chart made it even more confusing

mighty summit Mar 19, 2019, 9:59 AM

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so i want to move away from a Hyper-V based setup (don't ask) to something else, and i figured PVE looks pretty nice ?

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 9:59 AM

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🤢 hyper-v

light trout Mar 19, 2019, 9:59 AM

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Still better than virtualbox 😉

mighty summit Mar 19, 2019, 9:59 AM

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i did say don't ask

hushed basalt Mar 19, 2019, 10:00 AM

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I just ask all my virtual machines to behave nicely

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 10:00 AM

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never worked with proxmox, never seen a customer run it, never heard anybody talking about it before I joined this discord, so taking a wild stab and saying it's pretty rare

hushed basalt Mar 19, 2019, 10:00 AM

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Respect each other's boundaries

proven spruce Mar 19, 2019, 10:00 AM

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proxmox is awesome

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it runs on debian so it has to be

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 10:00 AM

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the stuff I play with is either ESXi, KVM, XEN, HP-UX containers, HP-VM or Hyper-V 🤷

light trout Mar 19, 2019, 10:01 AM

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ESXi is awesome, runs directly on the host

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 10:01 AM

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bare metal virtualization > all other virtualization

mighty summit Mar 19, 2019, 10:01 AM

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@light trout so does PVE ?

hushed basalt Mar 19, 2019, 10:01 AM

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One could say nothing is truly bare

light trout Mar 19, 2019, 10:01 AM

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PaperVectorEnterprice 🤔

hushed basalt Mar 19, 2019, 10:01 AM

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Esxi is an operating system of sorts

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If a virtual machine falls in the forrest, but no one is connected, did it really fall

light trout Mar 19, 2019, 10:02 AM

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nope, that is a lucky maintnance window 😄

hushed basalt Mar 19, 2019, 10:03 AM

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Delete the logs

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No one will ever know

mighty summit Mar 19, 2019, 10:03 AM

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Why is ESXi better than Proxmox ? In brief ?

proven spruce Mar 19, 2019, 10:03 AM

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runs on bare metal

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 10:03 AM

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Bigger user base

hushed basalt Mar 19, 2019, 10:03 AM

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Because it has certifications :D

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Hehe

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 10:04 AM

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would you rather buy "You won't believe it's not butter" or "margarine" ?

light trout Mar 19, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Milk

hushed basalt Mar 19, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Cream

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Well I'm lactose intolerant

mighty summit Mar 19, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Doesn't the proprietary nature of ESXi bother you guys ?

proven spruce Mar 19, 2019, 10:05 AM

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olive oil

hushed basalt Mar 19, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Since I'm not a scandanvian cow lover

proven spruce Mar 19, 2019, 10:06 AM

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ESXi is a mostly closed sourced, proprietary product that has a free version with limited features. Most "enterprise" features are not available in this free version.

Proxmox is free, open-source product based on other free, open-source products (KVM, LXC, etc) with all features enabled. For some, open-source aspect is enough of a difference to prefer Proxmox.

light trout Mar 19, 2019, 10:06 AM

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I have not had an issue with ESXi (That I did not cause myself)

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 10:07 AM

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I usually create the issues as I go, like woops there I disconnected all three SANs from the whole cluster 🤷 or woops there I powered off all 20 cluster-nodes 🤷

hushed basalt Mar 19, 2019, 10:07 AM

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I hope proxmox to esxi is better than gimp to photoshop

proven spruce Mar 19, 2019, 10:07 AM

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there's more to the comparison but that was the basics

hushed basalt Mar 19, 2019, 10:07 AM

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Open source means nothing if it doesn't work

mighty summit Mar 19, 2019, 10:07 AM

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So, Proxmox is a clear winner.

proven spruce Mar 19, 2019, 10:08 AM

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proxmox doesn't require VT extensions, supports clustering, ...

mighty summit Mar 19, 2019, 10:11 AM

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My OP stands, does any one feel like helping a Proxmox noob, i need some general pointers/ideas ?

proven spruce Mar 19, 2019, 10:11 AM

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that's still a no

hushed basalt Mar 19, 2019, 10:13 AM

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My recommendation is to use it immediately in production

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Fear is a great learning motivator

proven spruce Mar 19, 2019, 10:14 AM

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that's hardcore af

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 11:54 AM

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That is how I learn new products mostly, at customers with 900 or more servers in production 🤕 best motivator to do it right is when an entire airlines booking system relies on it 🤷

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Or like the system I have to patch that monitors 3000 delivery trucks, so they had to stop moving for my 30 minute reboot 🤕

light trout Mar 19, 2019, 11:56 AM

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So you are the reason SAS are sending info to the wrong customer🤔

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 11:56 AM

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They are not my customer, probably running on some dell shit 😜 that would explain it

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One would rather expect that problem to be due to a shitty developer cough 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

light trout Mar 19, 2019, 11:58 AM

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Most likely 😅

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 11:59 AM

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https://i.redd.it/r3gzvv3kv4l21.png comes to mind

light trout Mar 19, 2019, 11:59 AM

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how did you find my test results? 🤔

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 12:00 PM

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Interwebz🤷

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Now my calender is full up to and including the 17th of may 🤕

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 4:25 PM

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https://imgflip.com/i/2wf4ga

sterile ferry Mar 19, 2019, 4:33 PM

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how soon until someone runs HA on a nvidia Jetson?

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 4:35 PM

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@sterile ferry as long as it can run Linux it could be today, but not sure if any ha components could benefit from it yet 🤷

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Guessing not as it's quite specialized hardware

unreal orbit Mar 19, 2019, 4:36 PM

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It's not that much different than a pi as far as HA is concerned

clear ferry Mar 19, 2019, 4:37 PM

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@unreal orbit guessing stuff like face recognition and graphana could benefit if they can be GPU optimised

pure vine Mar 19, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Could run tensorflow on it

uneven cobalt Mar 19, 2019, 4:39 PM

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Is anyone here good with Grafana? I have network data that shows up at bits/second and what I would like to do is convert that data to total throughput over the window of time I'm looking at. Like if I am looking at my download over the last hour I want a single stat that says I downloaded 5GB. I am getting the data to grafana with snmp from my edgerouter.

delicate plinth Mar 19, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Does the new installer not come up with a choice of encryption?

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I only see this (*) 256 Use 256-bit encryption (recommended level) │ │ ( ) 384 Use 384-bit encryption │ │ ( ) 521 Use 521-bit encryption (paranoid level)

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@slate crow

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normally a key was generated, but now it finished in just 2 seconds?

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Anyone here got a xiaomi air purifier

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I'm curious on how well it performs

strange vapor Mar 19, 2019, 6:44 PM

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Typical, got a Broadlink for control of a Hifi which I've been, gasp, turning on manually by walking up to it. Annoyingly, it seems the remote is missing so I'll have to find the codes somewhere ::/

shy comet Mar 19, 2019, 6:45 PM

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@midnight adder i got 4....i keep them in auto mode and never really mess with anything asides from filter replacement notification....they work very well....we started with one

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 6:46 PM

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my lungs are total shit and they just started selling them in the netherlands

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I'm considering getting one

shy comet Mar 19, 2019, 6:46 PM

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you will notice a difference

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its very smart honestly, like wehn i wake up and im sitting next to it it starts spinning up the rpms

delicate plinth Mar 19, 2019, 6:47 PM

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@midnight adder I don't think you can compare the air in NL with for example China

shy comet Mar 19, 2019, 6:47 PM

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@delicate plinth that was my reasoning as to why it would work so well in the US 😛

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 6:47 PM

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@delicate plinth actually I kind of can, I've been in Shanghai a lot

shy comet Mar 19, 2019, 6:48 PM

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thsi thing has a buzzer in it when the air quality si that bad....have yet to hear it

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 6:48 PM

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I live in Rotterdam which on a bad day has the quality of an average shanghai day

delicate plinth Mar 19, 2019, 6:48 PM

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hehe

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I live in Leeuwarden 😛

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And the air quality is fine .. I dont see a different to be honest..

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 6:49 PM

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of course comparing to beijing is a no go seeing how that's as bad as living downwind of a coalmine

shy comet Mar 19, 2019, 6:49 PM

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i think it depends on the person

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 6:49 PM

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but yeah I have severe asthma so anything helps, really

shy comet Mar 19, 2019, 6:49 PM

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peopel with asthma for example will notice more of a differnece

delicate plinth Mar 19, 2019, 6:49 PM

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(Y)

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COol

shy comet Mar 19, 2019, 6:50 PM

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so yea we started with one in teh main room we hang out we liked....read that it helps you sleep at night too so got one for the bedroom and decided to get it for the rest of the house

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gearbest had a sale too so they were pretty low in price

delicate plinth Mar 19, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Electricity is for free in the US ?

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😛

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 6:52 PM

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I can get one for 150 euros incl shipping which is a pretty good deal because I don't have to deal with customs adding another 26% in taxes

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thank you based Kruidvat

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they also got the xiaomi smart watercooker and ricecooker but I don't really think I need those

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though the watercooker is pretty cool

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you know what I do need it

delicate plinth Mar 19, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Hopepully the electric step will come the NL 😛

shy comet Mar 19, 2019, 6:53 PM

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lol @delicate plinth 😛 they are pretty low usage honestly

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 6:53 PM

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@delicate plinth the EU is working on a law for low-power vehicles

delicate plinth Mar 19, 2019, 6:53 PM

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hehehe i know 😛

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Yeah i know

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 6:53 PM

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with a little luck we'll be able to get a step legally somewhere in a year or two

shy comet Mar 19, 2019, 6:53 PM

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personally im debating getting the xiaomi humidifier

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 6:55 PM

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@shy comet are the HEPA filters inside the purifiers proprietary or can I stick in any offbrand filter?

delicate plinth Mar 19, 2019, 6:55 PM

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But anyway... Someone here using openVPN ?

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😛

shy comet Mar 19, 2019, 6:55 PM

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umm not sure on that, never looked into it.....you can clean them actually which is what i have been doing

delicate plinth Mar 19, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Thats why i came here in the first place haha

shy comet Mar 19, 2019, 6:56 PM

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ive had them about a year now and the filter looks new when i clean it so havent had a need to replace it

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 6:56 PM

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oh if theyre washable then thats even better

delicate plinth Mar 19, 2019, 6:57 PM

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I was hoping @slate crow had some ideas 😛

shy comet Mar 19, 2019, 6:57 PM

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umm havent washed them, just vacuum lol

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 6:57 PM

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fair enough

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@delicate plinth I use PIA on my desktop and mediaserver, if thats relevant

shy comet Mar 19, 2019, 6:58 PM

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yea not washable, they dont recommend it actually

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 6:58 PM

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the mediaserver uses it using openvpn

shy comet Mar 19, 2019, 6:59 PM

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it looks like other manufacurers sell the filters @midnight adder so you can repalce it when needed too

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 6:59 PM

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neat

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:00 PM

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does anyone have the apple homekit HAP documentation? I haven't been able to access it due to its temporary not available?

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:00 PM

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lets do some math and see if I can fit the purifier into next month's fun budget

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as well as the watercooker because why not

delicate plinth Mar 19, 2019, 7:01 PM

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for some reasons i am not able to connect to my openvpn server (ubuntu)

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IIt asks for a password while connecting but thats it

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:02 PM

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I really want to look into adding homekit security camera support to HA so that we have local polling access for cameras like the logi circle 2

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:04 PM

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hrm, doesn't really fit in the budget

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guess I'll buy one in may when vacation money comes in

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by the way are HASS compatible tv's a thing?

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neat, apparently they are

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:07 PM

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I assume you can find smart tvs that are compatible with HASS

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:08 PM

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I plan on upgrading to 4k this May and I sure as hell plan on getting one that has WoL or some shit

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:08 PM

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I am anti smart tv

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:09 PM

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yeah but 4k monitors are hella expensive

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:09 PM

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everyone has been caught using their mics to record etc

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:09 PM

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if 4k monitors didn't cost so much I'd get one

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I practically only use my intel nuc anyways

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:10 PM

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they are a massive privacy risk

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why I use HA instead of other solutions

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:11 PM

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oh i just use HA because the smart-o-sphere or whatever you call it is oversaturated

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:12 PM

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I am rather happy with homekit, but HA lets me use other devices with local access as well

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:12 PM

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I mean the majority of my smart stuff is xiaomi

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:13 PM

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apple forces all home-kit devices to work locally without internet access

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:13 PM

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somewhere in china they know the temps of my fridge

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:15 PM

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my issue is.. what else is on that chipset

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:15 PM

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the xiaomi gateway for some reason has a lumination sensor

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:15 PM

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after all... google has microphones in all of their thermostats without telling anyone

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:15 PM

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no clue why, the xiaomi app doesn't mention it anywhere

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:16 PM

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My Philips hue motion sensor is also a lux and temperature sensor

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due to the chipset they use has it all

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:16 PM

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yeah but that's a motion sensor

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the gateway is just a zigbee boi

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it has wifi, a led ring and a speaker

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:17 PM

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probably due to the chipset they use

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:19 PM

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what does piss me off about the gateway is that it runs off mains even though it internally converts to 5v for everything but the led ring

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you can literally run it off USB

delicate plinth Mar 19, 2019, 7:19 PM

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thats why i have a cc stick for zigbee2mqtt

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I got rid of the Xiaomi gateway

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😃

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:19 PM

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it looks nice tho

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xiaomi's aesthetic is the bomb

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:20 PM

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it all sits in a rack

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or under your ikea coffee table

delicate plinth Mar 19, 2019, 7:26 PM

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@slim vortex Are you using OpenVPN perphaps ? 😛

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:34 PM

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I have to turn everything off tomorrow morning because the electric company is replacing the meters

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farewell months of uptime

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:39 PM

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@midnight adder no need

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UPS for the win

cedar beacon Mar 19, 2019, 7:41 PM

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could someone help me with how to set attribute's of a lamp using a script?

unreal orbit Mar 19, 2019, 7:48 PM

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What attribute are you trying to set?

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:53 PM

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@bold osprey I would use the Unifi cloud key 2 with the 1 TB of storage as your NVR

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low power and the platform is very nice

bold osprey Mar 19, 2019, 7:54 PM

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@brisk glen do you have one then?

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:54 PM

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I plan on getting one

bold osprey Mar 19, 2019, 7:54 PM

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I dont think they are available in UK yet

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:54 PM

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check amazon

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or not... stupid resellers charging an extra $70

bold osprey Mar 19, 2019, 7:56 PM

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I will been a couple of months since i looked last

slim vortex Mar 19, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Not anymore @delicate plinth

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I migrated to WireGuard a few months ago

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:57 PM

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am I the only one using zero tier one?

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:57 PM

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@brisk glen yeah a ups isn't going to power my lab for a whole day

bold osprey Mar 19, 2019, 7:57 PM

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@slim vortex got alexa back up thanks

slim vortex Mar 19, 2019, 7:57 PM

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👍 😎

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:57 PM

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its going to take them a freaking day?

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:58 PM

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they're replacing all meters in the entire apartment building tomorrow so there won't be any power from 8 to 4

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fuck my life

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 7:58 PM

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that down time is rather unacceptable

midnight adder Mar 19, 2019, 7:58 PM

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i get a smart meter tho

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more shit to add to hass

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 8:01 PM

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be carefull

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there have been a lot of reports of those things inaccurately reporting

hushed basalt Mar 19, 2019, 9:16 PM

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I think the problem was how they calculated power factor/duty cycle

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Since I don't seem to be getting anywhere in the other channels, does ANYONE know anything about the zwave component of hassIO? I have been tinkering with it and now it just doesn't work at all, I get stuff in the openzwave log but zero nodes in lovelace. maybe I need to talk to whoever did the openzwave component?

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all of my zwave gear is useless right now when it was spotty, it doesn't make sense, nothing has changed except upgrading and I never saw anything about zwave in the changes.

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:18 PM

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As I mentioned in response to one of your other posts, there's something odd with Z-Wave/USB devices and Hass.io

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Lots of folks run into issues, for no apparent reason, yet I've not seen anything like those issues using other install methods

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:20 PM

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what methods are they using that work well, only running on a pi?

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I guess using a vm just sucks, that's pretty sad for a software in 2019.

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Not Hass.io 😛

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I think the issue is down to the Supervisor, it's the only thing that makes sense

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:21 PM

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well I had no issues on my pi but I'm not going to run on something that kills the SD card in 2 months.

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probably so

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Hassbian, and a dashcam standard card, you'll be fine

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:21 PM

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literally I see all of the stuff from the devices in the openzwave log lol

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:21 PM

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On Hassbian you can even move the logs and database to a USB stick for even longer life

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:21 PM

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how is that different than hassIO and the sandisk card I had?

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Dashcam cards are designed for high write life

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:22 PM

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yeah I read about that, was thinking running in a vm on an SSD would take care of any speed and reliability issues lol

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:22 PM

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That too

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And, if you're going straight Docker or venv install, the challenges with the Supervisor are gone

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:22 PM

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so something like the SanDisk High Endurance Video Monitoring Card with Adapter 32GB (SDSDQQ-032G-G46A)

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Yup

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:23 PM

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is there a tutorial somewhere to see what kind of fresh hell the docker or vnv install is? lol.

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Just replaced the Sandisk Extreme in mine with one of thsoe

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https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/installation/ 😉

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:23 PM

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I'm running in ubuntu with hassIO via frenck's script

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it might be easier just to break down and buy the lowest end nuc I can, unless those also have supervisor issues

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weird that the pi doesn't though

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Well, I've seen reports in #zwave-archived with issues on the Pi too

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:26 PM

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ah, maybe those came up after I was running mine

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I was running 32 bit because people had various issues with 64

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:26 PM

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It's very hit and miss, which makes it even harder to track down

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:27 PM

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hass.io is the recommended method in the docs for pi's and VMs lol!

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:27 PM

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One of 😉

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Pi is Hassbian or Hass.io

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Hass.io has VM images, but a venv install works on almost anything

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:28 PM

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I wonder if an actual vm image would work better

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Give it a shot, what's the worst that could happen 😛

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:31 PM

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I don't see the vm images

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:32 PM

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https://www.home-assistant.io/hassio/installation/ ?

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:33 PM

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I'm not sure how I missed that

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:34 PM

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😄

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:34 PM

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shouldn't take long as all to see how this is going to work lol

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hmmm

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interesting turn of events

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might be coincidence, there were updates in ubuntu, I ran them, rebooted the vm, and now my zwave stuff is back.

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I think I'm going to NOT do any more OS updates and see what happens lol.

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:42 PM

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🤣

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Yeah, if it works, don't break it

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:42 PM

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f security, I need it to work.

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:42 PM

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That's also why I run HA on a dedicated machine

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I can let that "age" if necessary

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:43 PM

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I have the vmdk and the newest snapshot though

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oh yeah, there's no need for me to update this vm, all it runs is HA

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the IT guy in me is curious what fixed it, but whatever.

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 9:46 PM

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only listen to @clever mortar if you keep that dam HA server LOCAL only and not accessible from the internet

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Or layer other things in the way 😉

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I'm not terribly worried about my HA server being on Raspbian Jessie, because Python is up to date (separately), there's a proxy with authentication in the way, and I don't run on port 443

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Yes, it does increase the risk by not having upgraded to Stretch, but not by a massive amount all things considered

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 9:53 PM

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ha

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I've got the ssl and all it should be fine

clever mortar Mar 19, 2019, 9:53 PM

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As long as you apply security updates, that's the key thing

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 9:54 PM

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heh, indeed.

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 10:13 PM

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@flat lintel can you see if you can access https://developer.apple.com/homekit/specification/ ?

flat lintel Mar 19, 2019, 10:14 PM

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havent been able to for weeks

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someone told me it comes and goes

dull chasm Mar 19, 2019, 10:14 PM

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worked perfect for me

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 10:14 PM

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gah, I need that documentation

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@dull chasm can you pull the file and send me?

dull chasm Mar 19, 2019, 10:15 PM

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📎 unknown.png

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 10:15 PM

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@dull chasm you need to be signed in

dull chasm Mar 19, 2019, 10:15 PM

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well that could be a problem

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 10:21 PM

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a big problem if I want to add Home assistant security camera support to HA and I have no idea how Apple's HAP works.

flat lintel Mar 19, 2019, 10:27 PM

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okay

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@brisk glen I hacked Apple

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got it for you

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📎 HAP-Specification-Non-Commercial-Version.pdf

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you're welcome

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 10:27 PM

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how? ❤

flat lintel Mar 19, 2019, 10:27 PM

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everything needed to download the file was on the page

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just had to kill the redirect and then click the right button

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direct download link, only works if logged in

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https://developer.apple.com/file/?file=homekitspecification&agree=true

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ah and appears it wont work if you dont come from the homekit page

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anyway, you got it!

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 10:28 PM

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that is amazing

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thank you

flat lintel Mar 19, 2019, 10:29 PM

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yep

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 10:37 PM

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oh perfect, this has ip camera stream documentation

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.... this is going to be easy to add homekit ip camera support

humble pond Mar 19, 2019, 10:50 PM

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@brisk glen Hit me up if you plan on adding IP cams. Adding SRTP support to the stream component is on my list, which I believe is a requirement for HomeKit.

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 10:51 PM

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@humble pond Indeed it is. Its going to be some time for me as I need to understand how HAP works etc.

humble pond Mar 19, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Better you than me!

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 10:52 PM

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heh, we will see how long it takes me

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@humble pond https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3711

humble pond Mar 19, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Or even better: https://github.com/aiortc/pylibsrtp

GitHub

aiortc/pylibsrtp

Python bindings for libsrtp. Contribute to aiortc/pylibsrtp development by creating an account on GitHub.

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😉

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 11:01 PM

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heh a RTP H.264 stream with encryption and AAC-ELD or Opus at 16K or 24K sample rates.

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https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Protect/UniFi-Protect-with-HomeKit-Setup-Guide/m-p/2576090

UniFi Protect with HomeKit - Setup Guide

HomeKit is Apple's answer to a smart-home. HomeKit provides a way for certiffied accessories (such as lights, switches. thermostats, locks, cameras and more) from various manufacturers to play nicely with each other and to be controlled through a standard app on MacOS, IOS,...

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looks like home bridge already has support

humble pond Mar 19, 2019, 11:03 PM

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Yes, they do

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 11:10 PM

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@humble pond FFMpeg can handle RSTP?

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thus all we need to do is take care of the homekit stuff and get the stream url and key

humble pond Mar 19, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Check tomorrow’s release notes 😉

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 11:11 PM

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so I assume yes

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 11:11 PM

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is there any kind of internet monitoring addon for hassio?

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I'd like to see if my internet is blipping out, for how long, etc.

humble pond Mar 19, 2019, 11:11 PM

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https://rc.home-assistant.io/blog/2019/03/13/release-90/

Home Assistant

0.90: TBD - Update date

TBD

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 11:11 PM

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comcast is being crap

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 11:13 PM

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@rain swift CLI sensor

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you can do something like ping etc

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 11:13 PM

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oooh

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 11:15 PM

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ffmpeg -rtsp_transport tcp -i rtsp://xx:yy@192.168.1.ee:fd/tcp/av0_0 -f image2 -vf fps=fps=1 hello/img%03d.png

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well that solves the RSTP issue in theory, all thats needed is to use home kit to get the stream URL

humble pond Mar 19, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Not really. You need to provide a srtp url to HomeKit, which means we need to re-package the RTSP feed to SRTP and provide an endpoint.

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That’s what’s sitting in my todo list right now via the new stream component.

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 11:17 PM

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@humble pond ah ops I got confused with the acronyms

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All I am currently looking at is taking a home-kit camera now and pass it through HA before going back to home-kit via HA?

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thus I can record localy

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Use HA to process and use object identification as well

humble pond Mar 19, 2019, 11:19 PM

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Wait, are you trying to get a HomeKit camera into HASS, or a HASS camera into HomeKit?

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 11:19 PM

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HomeKit camera into HASS

humble pond Mar 19, 2019, 11:19 PM

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Ok, I’m referencing the other way 😂

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 11:20 PM

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aka transform the Logi Circle 2 remote poling into local

humble pond Mar 19, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Preferably adding Camera platform to this: https://www.home-assistant.io/components/homekit_controller/

Home Assistant

HomeKit controller support

Instructions how to integrate your HomeKit devices within Home Assistant.

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 11:21 PM

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indeed

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 11:26 PM

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anyone have an iphone?

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my wife is starting to use lovelace to arm the alarm herself and I want her to get feedback that it actually armed, I get pushbullet notifications on my phone, I know you can do fancy stuff with iphones.

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 11:27 PM

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you can send push messages to the ios home assistent app

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 11:29 PM

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that uses the old interface doesn't it

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 11:29 PM

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define old

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 11:30 PM

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like the android app

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or is the IOS totally different

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I have a pixel 3xl

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 11:30 PM

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https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/home-assistant-open-source-home-automation/id1099568401?mt=8

App Store

‎Home Assistant Companion

‎Control and monitor your home from anywhere in the world. Home Assistant for iOS lets you control all your devices and provides advanced location and notification engines to allow for complex mobile automations.

Home Assistant is an open-source home automation platform ru...

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it will use the lovelace ui by default now?

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or what ever your version of HA default UI is

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 11:31 PM

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yeah

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the thing with lovelace is it can trick you on your phone if network is wonky, thats why I have HA send me a notification with the alarm state

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then I know the command made it

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she gets nervous that she didn't actually arm it

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 11:32 PM

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so then just use the ios notification component

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 11:32 PM

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so she needs to install the app?

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 11:33 PM

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yes

rain swift Mar 19, 2019, 11:33 PM

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okay

brisk glen Mar 19, 2019, 11:33 PM

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or you can have her install pushbullet or any other service HA supports

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see https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/ecosystem/ios/notifications/basic/

Home Assistant

Basic Notifications

Basic notes about iOS notifications

rain swift Mar 20, 2019, 12:02 AM

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I restarted HA for something else and my zwave vanished again

pure vine Mar 20, 2019, 2:34 AM

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Thing is made
Americans: this sucks because of an America only issue
Everyone else: this works well in our nations.

Like everyone (in America) response to Google's thing is "this sucks because America internet sucks" and im like, from the data I've seen, it would work fine in the UK, even on Fiber to the Cabinet(although with about 40ms latency on the wire)

hushed basalt Mar 20, 2019, 5:39 AM

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UFrGFI6.png (706×757)

📎 UFrGFI6.png

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I should set up some serverless heartbeat

clear ferry Mar 20, 2019, 8:08 AM

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I had a friend who worked as a dba, he configured an old cellphone connected via serial port to their dB cluster, whenever a db died it would call him up and play ride of the valkyries, so he knew it was down

hushed basalt Mar 20, 2019, 10:24 AM

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Lol

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Plot twist

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The phone shorts out and crashes the terminal

strange vapor Mar 20, 2019, 10:35 AM

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In the last job, used to use Siemens T35 boxes for last ditch OOB options to get onto a network in case of failure. Had some external monitoring of the endpoints. Turned out our network was more reliable than the sim providers. Saying that, they're still there as backup is good.

strange vapor Mar 20, 2019, 11:49 AM

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Have more than a few spare PoE ports, pondering using them for supplying power to some Aeotec Multisensor thingies in order to get a greater cadence. Anyone tried this before? Any issues I should be aware of? Thinking of something like this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B079D5452Z/

midnight adder Mar 20, 2019, 1:11 PM

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fucken finally, the electricity company finished maintenance

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its 2PM and they shut off power at 8AM

clear ferry Mar 20, 2019, 1:16 PM

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@strange vapor do they run on 48v though?

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Oh, a voltage adapter

strange vapor Mar 20, 2019, 1:18 PM

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Seemingly people are successfully using them for Raspberry Pis, so a sensor shouldn't be a problem.

clear ferry Mar 20, 2019, 1:18 PM

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Never seen that before, so don't know the reliability, only seen splitters that give you the 48v on a DC jack 🤷

strange vapor Mar 20, 2019, 1:20 PM

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Twenty quid experiment it is so 😄

pure vine Mar 20, 2019, 1:21 PM

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I have seen Poe adapters specifically for the Pi

clear ferry Mar 20, 2019, 1:28 PM

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14c here today, better start planning my greenhouse in ha implementation

midnight adder Mar 20, 2019, 1:37 PM

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now i just gotta find a way to power a raspberry pi in the closet my meters are in so I can read out the P1 port

clear ferry Mar 20, 2019, 1:41 PM

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@midnight adder there is quite a few ready to use products to read out the data, depending on what standard your country is using

midnight adder Mar 20, 2019, 1:42 PM

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yeah but what I've been seeing they're pretty expensive

sacred hornet Mar 20, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Has anyone here used Tasmota Device manager on windows?

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im having some issues with mqtt and tasmota

strange vapor Mar 20, 2019, 3:36 PM

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@sacred hornet #551843800209686539 might be a better place to ask?

strange vapor Mar 20, 2019, 4:36 PM

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@fallow fox Did SAS ever get back to you?

sacred hornet Mar 20, 2019, 4:40 PM

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@strange vapor thanks mate, posted there too :)

fallow fox Mar 20, 2019, 4:46 PM

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@strange vapor No they didn´t. I have also sent an email to their data protection officer, and nothing! I am (to put it mildly) not happy about this...

light trout Mar 20, 2019, 4:56 PM

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https://www.datatilsynet.no/rettigheter-og-plikter/virksomhetenes-plikter/avvikshandtering/melde-avvik-til-datatilsynet/ @fallow fox

fallow fox Mar 20, 2019, 5:01 PM

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This applies to companies, right?

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So, a way to report if your company has had a leak?

light trout Mar 20, 2019, 5:03 PM

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It's the company's responsibility, but they also states that they take reports from individuals, in those cases they will try to contact the correct person in teh company, I guess a mail from Datatilsynet are scarier then one from you 😛

fallow fox Mar 20, 2019, 5:05 PM

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I really hope so! 😛

light trout Mar 20, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Or you can take the easy route tagging https://twitter.com/Datatilsynet in your tweet xD

fallow fox Mar 20, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Good tip! The electronic report forms are for companies only.

light trout Mar 20, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Bummer....

fallow fox Mar 20, 2019, 5:12 PM

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I did find on their page that they only accepted reports and complaints from persons via written (non-electronic) mail. I find that insanely weird!

light trout Mar 20, 2019, 5:12 PM

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LOL! 😂

strange vapor Mar 20, 2019, 5:14 PM

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It's probably a barrier to stop a flood of e-mail.. If you're pissed enough to send a snail mail, there's probably something there.

fallow fox Mar 20, 2019, 5:16 PM

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That is both probably true and the stupidest thing ever! 😕

strange vapor Mar 20, 2019, 5:19 PM

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There's a bank of fax machines and email to fax gateways two floors down from where I'm sitting for similar reasons :/

fallow fox Mar 20, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Haha!

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SAS did finally answer... Have a look at this meaningless crap: https://twitter.com/magnuso/status/1107779130119127047

Magnus Øverli (@magnuso)

Dear .@SAS! Today you #leaked another passenger’s #personal details (full name/date of birth/passport number!!) when I checked in to my flight. Your customer representative did not take my concern seriously at all! How many #passport numbers did you leak today alone?? @N...

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😄

strange vapor Mar 20, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Don't know how closely the Norwegian law follows the GDPR, but under GDPR there's a requirement to report data breaches to the Data Protection Commissioner.

pure vine Mar 20, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Norway has had to follow it

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Norways agreement with the EU is that they have to follow directives from the EU, but have little reperesnation in the parliement

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anyway, their HQ is in sweeden so that doesnt even matter about where Magnus is

chilly scroll Mar 20, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Is there a way I can see why home assistant hasn't triggered an automation though it should have? This randomly happens and I have to reload automations when it does happen. Running 0.88.1

proven spruce Mar 20, 2019, 6:37 PM

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you can watch logs with debug option to see what is happening

chilly scroll Mar 20, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Is there an easy way to watch the logs from the GUI or do I need to SSH or get into a docker container? Running hass.io

orchid rose Mar 20, 2019, 6:42 PM

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about page (aka info)

chilly scroll Mar 20, 2019, 6:47 PM

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@orchid rose Seriously, I missed that? 😄 I installed the ssh module and was tailing the /config/home-assistant.log just now but nevermind lol

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Thank you. I will look through the log and see what I did wrong 😃

orchid rose Mar 20, 2019, 6:48 PM

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hidden in plain sight 😉 I never noticed there's a download button for the log file either

chilly scroll Mar 20, 2019, 6:49 PM

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"2019-03-03 21:09:16 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.helpers.service] Not passing an entity ID to a service to target all entities is deprecated. Update your call to switch.turn_on to be instead: entity_id: all"

clever mortar Mar 20, 2019, 6:53 PM

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I'd swing by #330944238910963714 for help with that if you get stuck

chilly scroll Mar 20, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Much appreciated. I have more to go on now so that rocks 😃

keen rapids Mar 20, 2019, 9:36 PM

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guys

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cp -r !(home-assistant_v2.db) /root/tmp/ha/config;

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copies all my config files except the db file

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if I execute this command from bash is all ok

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if I execute it in a bash script

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I get this error

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line 41: syntax error: unexpected "("

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any idea how to fix?

keen rapids Mar 20, 2019, 9:54 PM

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solved that way

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cp -R ls | egrep -v '^home-assistant_v2.db$' /root/tmp/ha/config;

rain swift Mar 20, 2019, 11:49 PM

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anyone know how to use the vdi file for home assistant with virtualbox, I created a vm and pointed at the vdi file and it doesn't see it when it boots

rain swift Mar 21, 2019, 12:31 AM

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got it going, now i gotta figure out how to get my zstick in

flat lintel Mar 21, 2019, 5:42 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/sonos/comments/b3don6/ikeas_sonos_speaker_just_passed_the_fcc/

r/sonos - Ikea's Sonos speaker just passed the FCC

44 votes and 2 comments so far on Reddit

strange vapor Mar 21, 2019, 10:42 AM

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https://twitter.com/bitfield/status/1108399551961010176 (Edited, sent link to wrong tweet first)

John Arundel (@bitfield)

As a system administrator, I can tell when software vendors hate me.” The 10 dos and 500 don'ts for vendors looking to make software that is easy to install, maintain, and upgrade https://t.co/Q5BYUKpYFN /by @yesthattom

hushed basalt Mar 21, 2019, 11:41 AM

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📎 JPEG_20190321_194049.jpg

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What is it about SEO sites and always using crappy stock images

strange vapor Mar 21, 2019, 12:17 PM

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@hushed basalt Worked in Shared Hosting for years... You don't want to get me started on SEO "experts".

hushed basalt Mar 21, 2019, 12:50 PM

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I mean SEO is imporrant

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Important*

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But SEO specialists remind me of "passive income bloggers"

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A lot of... Bullshit

humble pond Mar 21, 2019, 12:53 PM

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SEO boils down to good, relevant, up to date, content... that people actually care about.

strange vapor Mar 21, 2019, 1:28 PM

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@hushed basalt Used to regularly get support tickets asking for us to put in special IIS or Apache configs for SEO purposes. They were usually put out when we told them that on a fiver a month package you don't get to dictate the server config. They were even more put out when we pointed out that if they wanted that level of control they could get a VM or Dedicated server and do whatever they wanted, it would just cost a bit more!

hushed basalt Mar 21, 2019, 1:35 PM

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Lexus expectations

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Skateboard budget

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Well I've only been thrown up on four times today

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#parentlife

clever mortar Mar 21, 2019, 1:36 PM

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🤣

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It's the first time you realise that while you pack spare clothes for them, but not for you...

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yes, sure, I'll just spend the rest of the day smelling of stale vomit

hushed basalt Mar 21, 2019, 1:38 PM

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I give up changing if I'm at home

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She'll just do it again

clever mortar Mar 21, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Yeah, at home is different

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That's also why we had solid flooring downstairs through the entire house - makes cleanup easier by far

hushed basalt Mar 21, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Renting. Carpet :*(

clever mortar Mar 21, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Well, at least it's not your carpet then 😛

hushed basalt Mar 21, 2019, 1:43 PM

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I should take the robot vacuum off the schedule when she's older

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Imagine the horror

hushed basalt Mar 21, 2019, 2:17 PM

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https://youtu.be/-bX0zMCWEIs

YouTube

My PlayHouse

Proxmox VE 5.3 Install on Lenovo x3650 M5 Rack Server - 792

I am going to be trying out Proxmox in the futura here. as a replacement for VMWare ESXi, that has been losing good will for a while. Moving cool stuff over ...

▶ Play video

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@clear ferry this made me think of you

clear ferry Mar 21, 2019, 2:59 PM

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🤢

orchid rose Mar 21, 2019, 3:11 PM

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If there are Vivaldi users here, the new snapshots will fix issues with Home Assistant modals

strange vapor Mar 21, 2019, 3:21 PM

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https://makefrontendshitagain.party/

Make Frontend Shit Again

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(Warning, dodgy 90's "MIDI" audio auto plays!)

unreal orbit Mar 21, 2019, 4:28 PM

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Does anyone have an Amcrest camera system that they have an opinion about?

shy comet Mar 21, 2019, 4:50 PM

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@unreal orbit like a full blown nvr system or just standalone cameras?

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personally i jsut have standalone cameras with software nvr

unreal orbit Mar 21, 2019, 4:51 PM

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I was looking into a PoE DVR system

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How does your current setup work?

shy comet Mar 21, 2019, 4:53 PM

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well my amcrest cameras are actually all indoors and we only use them with zoneminder to trigger recordings when the alarm is triggered.....for outside I have ReoLink PoE hooked up to blue iris that do motion recording all the time

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the amcrest cameras are more to spy on the pets when we arent at home lol

unreal orbit Mar 21, 2019, 4:54 PM

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What kind of hardware do you have zoneminder running on?

shy comet Mar 21, 2019, 4:55 PM

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i5 6gb of ram and SSD....runs alongside HA in prod

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so I have taht and tensorflow on the same system

unreal orbit Mar 21, 2019, 4:55 PM

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I was thinking about just going with IP cameras and making my own NVR

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But a standalone system seems so much simpler

shy comet Mar 21, 2019, 4:56 PM

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so personally...i really enjoy blue iris over zoneminder....the flexibility and ease of use with mqtt is really nice

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zoneminder was just a bit much for me...after trying blue iris i was sold on it honestly

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i like doing zone crossing for better motion detection, that paired with tensorflow is perfect

unreal orbit Mar 21, 2019, 4:57 PM

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The only thing stopping me there is I refuse to run a Windows based server at home

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So it would have to be zoneminder if I did my own setup

shy comet Mar 21, 2019, 4:58 PM

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LOL yea thats the one show stopper for lots of people lol

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nothing wrong with trying it out on one camera and deciding from there

unreal orbit Mar 21, 2019, 4:58 PM

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I have worked with windows server OS in the past, and it's.... special

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Everything that a server should be able to do it makes it 100 times more complicated

shy comet Mar 21, 2019, 4:59 PM

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yea if you can just make a VM that only runs BI?

unreal orbit Mar 21, 2019, 4:59 PM

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But I digress. I don't think I'll be doing too much motion based stuff, so that's why I'm leaning more toward a DVR for 24 hour recording

shy comet Mar 21, 2019, 4:59 PM

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ah ok yea for me i got WAY too may false motion alerts

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i found using tensorflow gave me more accurate reports that i care about

unreal orbit Mar 21, 2019, 5:00 PM

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I mostly just want the ability to see what's going on at home when I feel like it/ be able to go back to yesterday to verify something happened

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I can tie my doorbell to it if I really wanted an automation with cameras

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But you've had good luck with their cameras? Would you mind sharing the model?

shy comet Mar 21, 2019, 5:01 PM

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yea i have great luck with them

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so i got 3 models

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IP2M-841B

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IPM-722S

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and the newest one i bought that i have been using for a few months i plan to use as the baby monitor since the quality is great and better FOV

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IP4M-1051B

unreal orbit Mar 21, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Oh all wifi based, interesting

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No connection issues?

shy comet Mar 21, 2019, 5:04 PM

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not since i ditched my netgear router for all unifi 😄

unreal orbit Mar 21, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Hmm. I have an Amplifi HD from Ubiquiti and I've not been very impressed

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As an access point it's been okay (some disconnections but I think that may be the devices themselves), but as a router it was absolute garbage.

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I went back to my old router and just use the amplifi as an ap

shy comet Mar 21, 2019, 5:10 PM

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oh yea I have a edgerouter x and 2 AC lites personally....its been very solid

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the only time i ever had to do a reboot was during firmware update

unreal orbit Mar 21, 2019, 5:12 PM

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When I finally get enough money/time to build a proper home network rack I'll probably switch to an edgerouter

shy comet Mar 21, 2019, 5:13 PM

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yea i got lucky since i bought my nighthawk x8 from costco so i was able to return it when it died and decided to go the ubiquiti route...was very impressed by it

midnight adder Mar 21, 2019, 6:21 PM

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what are some somewhat non-standard smart devices that are fun to own?

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I'm talking kettle-genre here

strange vapor Mar 21, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Is it just me, or is ditching "consume" wifi gear for Unifi a common theme here? 😃

clever mortar Mar 21, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Well, it's one of the logical steps up from cheap and nasty

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MikroTik is another

brisk glen Mar 21, 2019, 7:51 PM

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its going from junk I need to power cycle every week to something that is stable

clear ferry Mar 21, 2019, 8:14 PM

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@strange vapor i went from 4 enterprise hpe access points with a wireless controller to 3xlinksys mesh ones 🤷

midnight adder Mar 21, 2019, 8:52 PM

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@clever mortar get on my level i have both

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the mikrotik ap i got is kinda sucky tho

clever mortar Mar 21, 2019, 8:53 PM

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I have a Routerboard in a box somewhere...

midnight adder Mar 21, 2019, 8:55 PM

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winbox is a great piece of software but my ap for some reason likes to just quit working after a few weeks, requiring a reboot

storm tendon Mar 21, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Hi everyone. Anyone using Alexa with Home Assistant?

flat lintel Mar 21, 2019, 10:11 PM

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@storm tendon probably a huge majority of people here

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myself included

storm tendon Mar 21, 2019, 10:11 PM

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@flat lintel How do you find it? Just playing around with an echo dot and so far I'm not impressed

flat lintel Mar 21, 2019, 10:12 PM

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I never have any issues, except with how annoying the official app is to manage devices

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usually if I make some big change I just go to alexa.amazon.com and hit forget all devices

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a button that doesn't exist in the mobile apps

storm tendon Mar 21, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Yeah I'm finding that quite difficult and already used the forget devices 3 times tonight. I seem to be getting a lot of "X doesn't support that"

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But different phrasing is fine.

flat lintel Mar 21, 2019, 10:13 PM

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give me an example of whats going wrong specifically

storm tendon Mar 21, 2019, 10:15 PM

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So if I say Alexa, Is the [car name] locked she says it isn't supported

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I got her to return the result once but can't remember the phrasing. One sec

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OK it's the name that's throwing her

flat lintel Mar 21, 2019, 10:18 PM

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what kind of device is car name though

storm tendon Mar 21, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Probably easier to create a custom intent

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I tried a few different names. Most of them had lock in the name so I just tried renaming it to just car and she is fine with it

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Do you find yourself creating many custom intents?

flat lintel Mar 21, 2019, 10:21 PM

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i have one custom intent for the entire home state

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whos at home, what time is it, temperature, etc

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thats it

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i don't have lock experience

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you may want to look at the alexa dev docs because they give example utterances for each device type

storm tendon Mar 21, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Thanks I'll check that out

flat lintel Mar 21, 2019, 10:27 PM

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@storm tendon just checked the docs myself, the docs for locks are not great

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your phrase looks correct tho

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“Alexa, is the back door locked?”

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and yeah, sometimes names can confuse it, especially if its very similar to another name

storm tendon Mar 21, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Yeah. Just wondering how this will work with other entities I want to poll that I want all to be called car

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I want to check window and door state.

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Just trying some custom intents to see if I can make it a little more fluid

flat lintel Mar 21, 2019, 10:30 PM

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well the downside to custom intents of course is having to prefix everything with "Ask Home Assistant"

storm tendon Mar 21, 2019, 10:32 PM

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Yeah. Starting to see that.

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You ever tried out Google Home?

flat lintel Mar 21, 2019, 10:33 PM

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got a mini next to my bedside alexa spot and a home hub in the kitchen

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i just naturally use alexa more though, because it was here for years before google was

storm tendon Mar 21, 2019, 10:34 PM

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I've not got a google home device but I configured it all with the home app on my phone and it all just worked flawlessly out of the box

humble pond Mar 22, 2019, 12:03 AM

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I had 3 home minis that came with various other devices, but gave them all away. I don’t like it when my smart speaker acts like a parrot, so brief mode on Alexa is a god send for me. Just one of those pet peeves I guess...

dense glen Mar 22, 2019, 12:17 AM

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@flat lintel how come you don't just have a bot go poll the issues for staleness and auto post?

flat lintel Mar 22, 2019, 12:17 AM

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we've tried that, it's extremely hit or miss due to limits in the GitHub API

dense glen Mar 22, 2019, 12:17 AM

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Did you try polling the HTML instead?

flat lintel Mar 22, 2019, 12:18 AM

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as an example, we re-labeled almost 20k issues and pull requests yesterday

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that re-label is counted as a update to GitHub

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so the bot wouldn't have written a comment

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anyway, can talk more about this later

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need to help out the hordes in #558443865904775170 😃

dense glen Mar 22, 2019, 12:18 AM

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Rgr

twin egret Mar 22, 2019, 12:46 AM

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~ping

velvet horizonBOT Mar 22, 2019, 12:46 AM

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:ping_pong:

ping?

PONG!

rain swift Mar 22, 2019, 1:22 AM

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-ping

minor nexus Mar 22, 2019, 1:22 AM

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anyone ever had an HDMI cable fail on them?

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since last night I've been having some weird issues with my shield

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first when I got home the colors were washed out

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everything worked after reboot for a while then it started freezing

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so I rebooted and couldn't get the display to show

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tried again today, and tried disconnecting and reconnecting HDMI, which fixed the issue

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but now I'm getting a constant HDCP error on apps that I was using before without issue

shy comet Mar 22, 2019, 1:30 AM

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@minor nexus ive had so many odd issues iwth hdmi cables that came out of nowhere....always worth replacing the cable to see if hte issue still exists

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ive once had the audio completely die in one

minor nexus Mar 22, 2019, 1:31 AM

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guess I've been lucky

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it may be a shield issue though. I just tried another reboot and now I'm getting a blank screen

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it's clearly outputting some sort of signal because my display detects that it's active

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looks like a second reboot fixed it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

shy comet Mar 22, 2019, 1:39 AM

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sounds like a hdmi handshake issue

minor nexus Mar 22, 2019, 1:39 AM

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if it happens again, I'll try a new cable

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it's a recent issue

shy comet Mar 22, 2019, 1:40 AM

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sometimes it may depend on what device was turned on first

minor nexus Mar 22, 2019, 1:40 AM

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but it seemed to correlate with the latest OS update

shy comet Mar 22, 2019, 1:40 AM

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oh on the shield

minor nexus Mar 22, 2019, 1:40 AM

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TV's always the one to be on first

shy comet Mar 22, 2019, 1:40 AM

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they added a bunch fo CEC settings under Display and Sound

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check those and see if one of them will fix it

minor nexus Mar 22, 2019, 1:40 AM

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I saw that but haven't played with them yet

shy comet Mar 22, 2019, 1:40 AM

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therse liek 6 options in 7.2.3

minor nexus Mar 22, 2019, 1:40 AM

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good call

shy comet Mar 22, 2019, 1:40 AM

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i had to mess with them to solve my waking issue

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sometimes the shield wouldnt wake up

minor nexus Mar 22, 2019, 1:41 AM

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I've also messed with some of the dev settings so... can't blame them entirely

shy comet Mar 22, 2019, 1:43 AM

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lol

deft reef Mar 22, 2019, 3:22 AM

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Does anyone have suggestions for finding decent prices on smart switches (preferably z wave)?

minor nexus Mar 22, 2019, 3:26 AM

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@deft reef I use the GE/Jasco switches and they occasionally go on sale, but I find their regular price to be decent

covert echo Mar 22, 2019, 3:27 AM

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and since you will rip your hair out trying to reset the GE switches, it's cheap to just buy new ones!

minor nexus Mar 22, 2019, 3:27 AM

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have not had to do that yet :X

deft reef Mar 22, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Haha, thanks

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Another curiosity I have, that I haven't really found anything definitive on when googling, is whether to use wifi or z wave devices for simple things. I like the idea of the lower power draw with z wave and for all the basic switches and sensors it seems like the way to go. But is there really an advantage or just mostly different?

humble pond Mar 22, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Personally I use Z-wave for many well supported things. I wouldn’t want 20 WiFi light switches around the house for example. Too many clients on consumer grade routers can eventually cause problems, so having a separate dedicated network is nice.

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That being said, I like stuff that works well and is full featured, so I don’t use Z-Wave thermostats or Garage Door openers for example. I went more mainstream consumer for that.

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 4:27 AM

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@humble pond thats why I use unifi, nothing like having 200 clients around the house with no issues

humble pond Mar 22, 2019, 4:33 AM

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I also have a full UniFi setup, but even having 14 IoT devices on my network makes me cringe... even if they are segmented.

deft reef Mar 22, 2019, 4:36 AM

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Hmm, I haven't heard of unifi. I'm just starting my setup. My current thinking is z wave for all the switches and small sensors, wifi for the larger or more complex devices and running two networks. But I need to look into this unifi

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 4:45 AM

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@humble pond why? banish them to the 2Ghz network. I only allow my clients to use 5Ghz at home because it is infinity much faster.

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@deft reef its semi Enterprise grade networking gear

covert echo Mar 22, 2019, 4:52 AM

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@deft reef careful with the unifi bug, or you wind up with this (don't mind my in progress wire/organization mess)

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 4:53 AM

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haha

covert echo Mar 22, 2019, 4:53 AM

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📎 20190313_235916.jpg

humble pond Mar 22, 2019, 4:53 AM

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@brisk glen - The same reason I chose Home Assistant over something like Smart Things. China doesn’t need to know everything about me.

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 4:54 AM

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thats why I have mine in a IoT vlan and firewalld off

humble pond Mar 22, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Or replace China with hardware startup of the month, or multi-national conglomerate.

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 4:55 AM

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you want to access that china server? too bad I GeoIP block all of china

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It has stopped the SSH log spam 😛

hushed basalt Mar 22, 2019, 6:09 AM

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Love Neatpatch

📎 20190322_140846.jpg

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Wonder if some funky update was installed on my home mini lately, because the norwegian lady now sounds a lot less like she has a speech impediment 🤔

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 7:46 AM

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Or maybe you just need another coffee? 🙈

hearty depot Mar 22, 2019, 7:57 AM

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Got 10$ digitl ocean credit - dont got a clue for what I could use it - ideas?

flat lintel Mar 22, 2019, 8:22 AM

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@hearty depot https://github.com/StreisandEffect/streisand

GitHub

StreisandEffect/streisand

Streisand sets up a new server running your choice of WireGuard, OpenConnect, OpenSSH, OpenVPN, Shadowsocks, sslh, Stunnel, or a Tor bridge. It also generates custom instructions for all of these s...

hearty depot Mar 22, 2019, 8:47 AM

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Looks nice - Overread the project at least a year ago - only downside is that I pay trustzone for a vpn service 🤦

strange vapor Mar 22, 2019, 10:33 AM

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I moved all my stuff from OpenVPN to Wireguard. The Wireguard setup is stupidly easy. The only issue I have is that in Android they're forced to use the UserSpace module in a lot of phones, so the phone will complain about battery usage. The interesting thing is it's really the app making the network connection that's using the battery, but Wireguard is getting blamed!

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Running tcpdump on the remote interface where the phone traffic appears is, em, eye opening. The amount of traffic that goes to Google from Android even when you purposefully disable a lot of the services is crazy. Only traffic to my mail server is greater

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 10:34 AM

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It was the arrival of the scripts to create the QR code (for the client config) that turned WireGuard from a PITA to easy for me

strange vapor Mar 22, 2019, 10:34 AM

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@clever mortar They are very damn handy 😃

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 10:34 AM

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Up until then getting the configs over was a faff, now it's easier than anything else

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Now I just want the Android app to support intents so I can control it through Tasker

strange vapor Mar 22, 2019, 10:36 AM

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I've got a road warrior setup for my phone and laptop, with multiple point to point line between two colo boxes, home and Digital Ocean. Has been reliable as hell.

hearty depot Mar 22, 2019, 11:22 AM

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I also enjoy Zero Tier very much - Espacialy for gaming wiht friends

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Oh yea - Heard about OoT Online?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnzNW_2o25A

YouTube

MelonSpeedruns

Oot Online - Pre-Beta Footage!

Enjoy this ~11 minutes of me and Psi-Hate playing OoT Online together! Follow the development at: https://hylianmodding.com/Thread-OoT-Online-Development-Blo...

▶ Play video

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 12:08 PM

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guess I should update my python in my venv, system health says it is 3.5.3

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 12:09 PM

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At least before the end of summer

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Didn't you say something about 3.5.3 going out of support for ha @clever mortar 🤔

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 12:09 PM

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3.5 will be dropped, at some point

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The plan is to support current + previous Python release

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So, today that's 3.7 and 3.6

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 12:09 PM

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https://github.com/home-assistant/architecture/issues/167

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 12:09 PM

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IMO, go 3.7

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 12:10 PM

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now I need to figure out how to upgrade python with venv, I'll browse around 😄

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 12:10 PM

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Easy

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 12:10 PM

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https://blog.ceard.tech/2017/12/upgrading-python-virtual-environment.html

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 12:11 PM

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Damn, too slow 😄

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 12:11 PM

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you just got selfblogged-pasted by lud, burn!

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 12:11 PM

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😄

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 12:11 PM

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You "wasted" time by writing "Easy" 😛

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 12:11 PM

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difference between programmers and normal people, we waste time with extra lines for fun 🤷

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 12:12 PM

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🤣 For anyone here is "normal" 🤣

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 12:12 PM

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I'm... kinda... normal ? no wait...

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 12:13 PM

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Be warned, it's a couple of hours (ish) on a Pi3 to compile Python

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 12:13 PM

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thank goodness I retired the pi 😄

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but I'm def doing a vmware snapshot before proceeding

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 12:14 PM

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I used 55 min (with the script for Hassbian) last time I tried it

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 12:14 PM

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I'll time it for my env

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 12:14 PM

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Courtesy of #332318336111214602 I now know about running Qemu to build packages for the Pi on faster hardware

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I'll be using that to build a .deb for my upgrade to 3.7

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 12:15 PM

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oh... that sounds interresting 😄

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 12:16 PM

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oh, 3.8.0 is out too

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I'll stick with 3.7.3 I guess

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oh no, that was an rc

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 12:16 PM

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3.7.2 is latest

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 12:21 PM

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hmm, reading through the guide, I don't see any steps about copying configuration etc, is the config preserved by following it then ?

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 12:21 PM

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yes

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 12:21 PM

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awzm, just got confused when I saw no mention of it, I might be an idiot 🤷

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😄

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 12:21 PM

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yes

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🤣

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The config are under the home dir for the user, while the venv containing the python packages are elsewhere

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 12:24 PM

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oh right. I'm misreading the paths, I just saw homeassistant/homassistant and thought it was the /home dir, but ofc it is the /srv

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thankfully I'm doing a lot of copy paste, but now , to clean my glasses 🤓

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making python reminds me of gentoo stage 1 of the olden days, this was a lot slower than expected for sure

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 1:09 PM

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normal....... yah. I am running a nginx reverse proxy server on OVH that also houses my website that connects to Home Assistent over my Zero Tier One network

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No need to port forward at home

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 1:09 PM

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hmm... interresting...

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I just ditched OVH for Scaleway 😛

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 1:10 PM

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I am basically running a self hosted version of the Home Assistent Cloud for remote access

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 1:12 PM

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@clever mortar @light trout roughly 50 minutes to follow the complete guide for me (y) and it works 😄

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Scaleway looks interesting

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going to cost me more than OVH however

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 1:14 PM

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It costs a little more, but the management UI and resonse of their support is far more superior IMO

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 1:15 PM

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I touched the management UI once lol

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oh hell ARM64-2GB gives me more

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guess I am moving over to Scaleway if all of my images support arm

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Damn, Scaleway are ~~cheap~~ competitively priced

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 1:18 PM

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I use the ARM64-2GB for most things

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That is the instance I mentioned earlier @clever mortar 😛

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 1:18 PM

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€2/month is cheap enough to make it viable for running a remote VPN server that I control 🤔

proven spruce Mar 22, 2019, 1:19 PM

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that's actually a really good idea

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 1:20 PM

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I run Wireguard on my "VPN" Pi as it is, but having something "out there" could be handy at times

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Please add your billing details to activate your account and enjoy an immediate voucher of 30€ 🎉 (valid until end of month)

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well shit

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@light trout Im going to try it now

orchid rose Mar 22, 2019, 1:33 PM

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Should I get some Xiaomi or something else for a cheap camera to try the streaming component?

proven spruce Mar 22, 2019, 1:34 PM

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no

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 1:37 PM

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~8ball Go cheap?

velvet horizonBOT Mar 22, 2019, 1:37 PM

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:8ball:

8Ball Prediction:

You've Got To Be Kidding...

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 1:37 PM

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Seems legit...

orchid rose Mar 22, 2019, 1:38 PM

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mean bot

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 1:38 PM

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There are days I'd swear it's sentient...

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"Cheap" doesn't have to mean low quality, though small and cheap often does

proven spruce Mar 22, 2019, 1:39 PM

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if you want to test set up your phone as a camera

orchid rose Mar 22, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Right, I guess that's possible as well

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 1:49 PM

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well this sucks

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server is out of stock

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something was WRONG with their docker app deploy so I deleted and went to re create the server

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https://paste.vmnode.pw/fowewomube.coffeescript

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I should not have to fix shit out of the box

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Open a support ticket

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 1:53 PM

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doing a generic Ubuntu as that was what it was anyways

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I was thinking it was some pre Configured Alpine

strange vapor Mar 22, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Dropping support of 3.5.3 will be a pain for those doing venv on Raspbian or Debian.

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 2:00 PM

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3.5.3 version of what?

strange vapor Mar 22, 2019, 2:00 PM

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Python

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 2:00 PM

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god damnit

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 2:00 PM

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venv?

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 2:00 PM

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Not really @strange vapor , it will take time, but the prosess is "easy"

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 2:01 PM

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troubleshooting windows storage spaces and roce that just randomly crashes hyper-v hosts

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so many things I hate in one sentence

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 2:01 PM

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I'm on venv, I've upgraded from 3.4, to 3.5, to 3.6

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It's not hard, just slow on a Pi @strange vapor

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 2:01 PM

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2 more hours to 🍺 o'clock @clear ferry 😄

clear ferry Mar 22, 2019, 2:02 PM

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@light trout I've had three beers since my daughter was born in october, so I need one for sure, especially after all that hyper-v nonsense 🤢

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Definitivly need to silence this bastard from filling up my logs 🤣 ``` 2019-03-22 14:11:31 WARNING (SyncWorker_16) [homeassistant.components.ps4.media_player] PS4 could not be reached

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this should do it right ? 🤔 logs: homeassistant.components.ps4.media_player: error to get rid of the above

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@light trout when will you fix this (sure a programmer is a programmer) 😄 😄 https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant/issues/19303

GitHub

Service group.set not found · Issue #19303 · home-assistant/home...

Home Assistant release with the issue: 0.84.1 Last working Home Assistant release (if known): 0.83.1 Operating environment (Hass.io/Docker/Windows/etc.): Hassbian, raspberry pi 3b+ Component/platfo...

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wasn't there at python 3.5.3 and HA 0.89.2, but did appear at python 3.7.2 and HA 0.90 it seems, but people have been seeing it for a long time it appears 🤔

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 2:12 PM

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@light trout what on earth are you running on ARM64-2GB?

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any kernel updates break the OS hard

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 2:18 PM

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That is not a python issue @clear ferry
@brisk glen hassio, nginx, docker, and some build scripts

strange vapor Mar 22, 2019, 2:20 PM

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@clever mortar Run Debian so that where possible everything is nicely packaged and I don't have to worry about security updates etc. As soon as you start requiring compiling new versions of software like Python, it becomes something that has to be manually kept up to date and most people simply won't 😦

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 2:20 PM

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🤷 So make your choice then

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Upgrade the whole OS, or just Python

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The problem is, HA can't support old versions forever

strange vapor Mar 22, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Fully agree that it can't, but I'd expect it to support the version that's on Raspbian by default!

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Sadly Raspbian isn't going to support anything newer than 3.5 for some time

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Hassbian will handle that, but those on a manual install have to solve it themselves

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Python 3.6.0 is over 2 years old now, that Raspbian still doesn't include 3.6 isn't really HA's problem unfortunately

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Besides, you should have been here for when Python 3.4 was dropped... that was a complete non-event

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Lots of noise in advance, and when it happened it was more a fizzle than a bang

strange vapor Mar 22, 2019, 2:25 PM

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It will be when the support requests start coming in 😉 I'm fine in that I'll probably just run it in a Sid LXC instance and get on with life, but expect support requests as to why odd little things aren't working a they use shiny newness not available in 3.5

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 2:25 PM

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That's what I'm saying though, the requests at the 3.4 drop... didn't happen

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Anybody on Hassbian will be taken care of

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And bluntly, if you're on a manual install you should know what you're doing 😉

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 2:26 PM

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All 3 recomended installations will be handled 😃

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 2:26 PM

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this is why you docker all things

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linux depends is hell

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 2:26 PM

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most things

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Or, you know, understand what you're doing in general

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Linux depends are fine, but I've been using *nix for "some decades"

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If you think modern distros are bad, you ain't seen anything 😛

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 2:27 PM

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I am too lazy to have to be careful

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 2:27 PM

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docker are fun, untill you need to create windows containers....

strange vapor Mar 22, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Docker is fun until you let java devs near it 😉

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 2:27 PM

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@light trout stop saying gross things

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 2:27 PM

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vegan pizza

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boiled bacon

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 2:28 PM

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I... like vegan pizza

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 2:28 PM

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That's ok, it gets better 😉

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 2:28 PM

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pineapple pizza however

strange vapor Mar 22, 2019, 2:29 PM

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I've seen Docker depends being hell :/ Fun outage in a large testing environment because one of the upstream "FROM:" made a security fix that broke the downstream container during RUN time.

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 2:29 PM

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Ah yes, I've had similar things elsewhere when a library update broke everything that used it 🤦

strange vapor Mar 22, 2019, 2:30 PM

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ie, Docker is a tool which avoids certain problems, but at the cost of a whole load of new ones 😄

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Currently working supporting multiple large Kubernetes clusters, it has been "fun".

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Could be worse, could be Centos 7 and PHP :/

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 2:32 PM

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I might switch over to kube once I can wrap my head around it

strange vapor Mar 22, 2019, 2:33 PM

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@brisk glen https://k3s.io/ is a nice way to run it for small scale testing

k3s: Lightweight Kubernetes

Easy to install. A binary of less than 40 MB. Uses only 512 MB of RAM.

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Had a simplesamlphp install fail yesterday after getting an update. Turns out that when it was deployed they just used the PHP package supplied by Centos 7 which is PHP 5.4. In the last version of simplesaml they made an update to a safer way of verifying passwords called "verify_password()". This was introduced in PHP 5.5 in 2013

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Cue much hilarity.

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@clever mortar BTW, very much playing devil's advocate on the Python 3.5 thing. Can happily run newer versions on VMs/Containers on my own kit. Would be interesting to keep 3.5.3 in Travis after support is dropped as a non-blocking canary test.

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 2:41 PM

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When the 3.4 drop was planned, I too expected a train wreck. I was (pleasantly?) surprised when it was barely a thing

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As long as the recommended installs all handle Python upgrades (Docker and Hass.io are done, so it's just Hassbian to go) then I don't expect major issues

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Well, except with the newer arrivals who've just blindly followed one of the other install methods and are operating so far out of their depth it's ~~scary~~ hilarious

strange vapor Mar 22, 2019, 2:46 PM

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Just missing the curl -s http://home-assistant.io/trust-me.sh | sudo bash option.

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 2:48 PM

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if you really want that

curl -sSL https://gitlab.com/ludeeus/HA-AIO-Installer/raw/master/installer.sh | sudo bash

strange vapor Mar 22, 2019, 2:48 PM

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@light trout Can I trust you haven't implemented https://www.idontplaydarts.com/2016/04/detecting-curl-pipe-bash-server-side/ ? 😄

Detecting the use of "curl | bash" server side | Application Security

Another reason not to pipe from curl to bash. Detecting curl | bash serverside.

light trout Mar 22, 2019, 2:48 PM

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nope

strange vapor Mar 22, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Would love to know if the above has been spotted in the wild.

dusty sierra Mar 22, 2019, 3:02 PM

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Has anyone thought about using Slack or Matrix or something for community communications instead of Discord? Don't get me wrong Discord is a great tool, but for massive groups with multiple discussions going on a tool with thread capability would be far superior.

shy comet Mar 22, 2019, 3:03 PM

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i use slack and discord @dusty sierra

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 3:03 PM

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from experience the Matrix was horrid

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Slack would get expensive for the project

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The free Slack service is pretty limited

shy comet Mar 22, 2019, 3:04 PM

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yea discord is free, and i just realized i misread his comment lol

unreal orbit Mar 22, 2019, 3:04 PM

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If something is 'thread' worthy it should go to the forums

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This is for quick help

dusty sierra Mar 22, 2019, 3:08 PM

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Good point there @unreal orbit

strange vapor Mar 22, 2019, 3:09 PM

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@brisk glen I had the same experience with Matrix, but there's people attempting to drag me back there claiming it has been massively improved.

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 3:19 PM

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I’ll give it a few more years. The fact that they lost a lot of backers does not look good

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 4:32 PM

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error: snap "canonical-livepatch" is not available on stable for this architecture (arm64) but exists on other architectures (amd64).

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nooooooo

tired veldt Mar 22, 2019, 5:28 PM

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There's an open source alternative to Slack: https://mattermost.org

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 5:28 PM

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@light trout Firing scaleaway, the data centers are just too far from me.

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the lag is real

tired veldt Mar 22, 2019, 5:29 PM

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while it has fewer integrations in 3rd party products the base user experience is identical

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maybe a bit less support for rich media snippets as well

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 5:30 PM

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And would require the project to host it...

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Would be a great service if they put a datacenter in north america

tired veldt Mar 22, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Sorry I can't help with scaling for >2000 people but for 100 active users even a small Synology NAS is fast enough

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Online currently - 2K ish 😉

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 5:33 PM

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discord is free and hosted on their servers

clever mortar Mar 22, 2019, 5:33 PM

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To be honest, moving away from any existing service requires that the current one has enough pain points and the alternatives significantly better

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That's the only reason that this still isn't on Gitter 😉

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 5:33 PM

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you need to beat that or come up with an option that outweighs the pain of moving etc

pure vine Mar 22, 2019, 6:21 PM

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We where on gitter, problem was, it was a glorified IRC

keen rapids Mar 22, 2019, 8:23 PM

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is there a way to tell HA to not log "things" for more than three days?

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sincerely I don't need the log of four days ago.

brisk glen Mar 22, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Yes, see the recorder component https://www.home-assistant.io/components/recorder/

Home Assistant

Recorder

Instructions on how to configure the data recorder for Home Assistant.

midnight adder Mar 22, 2019, 10:50 PM

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so I plan on buying a couch next month, what are my options regarding smart-ifying it

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i was thinking smart led strips under it to make the floor look funky

pure vine Mar 22, 2019, 10:52 PM

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load sensors under the feet to guess how many people are on it

midnight adder Mar 22, 2019, 11:03 PM

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i don't have enough of a social life to ever have more than one person on it

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does make me think though, I wonder if it's possible to detect people using lasers n shit

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person sits, bottom of couch lights up where he sits

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followed by the ceiling-mounted machinegun seizing up

keen rapids Mar 23, 2019, 12:23 AM

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@brisk glen I have purge_keep_days to 2 days but the logs goes up to 180MB. I have only three sensors how this can be possible?

strange vapor Mar 23, 2019, 1:17 AM

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@midnight adder Nice recliner where you can motorise the reclining function! Have it recline to favoured position when you hit play on your media player!

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 1:20 AM

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Any A/V home theater peeps in here that might be able to answer a stupid question of mine?

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 1:20 AM

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Perhaps, what's the question

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Well I'm trying to accomplish something that most people think is stupid, but if it's possible, I wanna try it.

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Like Trump becoming President?

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 1:21 AM

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I'm trying to allow my new Sonos play bar to play audio along with my existing receiver audio.

normal thistle Mar 23, 2019, 1:22 AM

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This looks cool. Anyone look at this doorbell sensor? https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/azu3s8/turn_your_wired_doorbell_into_a_smart_doorbell/

r/homeassistant - Turn your wired doorbell into a smart doorbell

4 votes and 22 comments so far on Reddit

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 1:22 AM

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My receiver is pretty old, but it appears it has an optical in, and out

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Should just work then,

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Just plug in optical?

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@normal thistle personally I would just put a $10 xiaomi switch at the front door

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 1:23 AM

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I did, and it only plays out of the existing speakers. Wonder if I am missing a setting in the receiver...to allow it to also pass through to the Sonos

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 1:24 AM

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Hmm

normal thistle Mar 23, 2019, 1:24 AM

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I'm looking for something turn-key

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 1:24 AM

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The only input with optical in and out is MD/TAPE

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 1:24 AM

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@normal thistle you'll need to wire that into the AC voltage of your doorbell

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@rapid musk how is your Receiver connected to your sources. Hdmi?

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 1:25 AM

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No, my receiver has no hdmi ports at all.

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 1:25 AM

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So is it an optical cable from the TV?

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Basically my ShieldTV sends hdmi to my TV and my TV sends optical to the receiver.

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Can you use the tape input

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Maybe it only passes through on that source

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

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Yes, on the back I've switched the optical from the TV to MD/TAPE (in) and selected that source, then ran the Sonos to MD/TAPE (out) and it only plays on the Polk Audio tower speakers

normal thistle Mar 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

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@hushed basalt seems like it would be pretty easy to wire into the doorbell wires. it's low voltage ac and not constantly powered on

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Have you confirmed the sonos works when you plug the optical in the tv straight into it

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 1:29 AM

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The main reason for this is I don't wanna spend $800 on a sub yet. If I can get this to work, I'll already have one that'll work fine

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Yes, it works wired directly into the TV no problem.

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Just check the manual of the AVR for settings

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You should also see red lights on the output

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If it's on

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 1:30 AM

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I did, it glows for sure

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The inputs all are dark, but that output glows nice and red

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Okay, let me consult the manual...I'm sure I can find it online somewhere.

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Thx

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 1:31 AM

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You could also look through the menu of the avr

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You might have to plug in composite

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To your tv. Sometimes they only have menu on that

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 1:32 AM

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It's a Sony, solid 10 years old, maybe older

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My TV doesn't even have composite. It's a 2 year old Samsung and it only has 2 connections on the back of the TV. The power, and the hub.

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 1:33 AM

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It's probably called MONITOR OUT

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 1:33 AM

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The hub has 4 hdmi, 2 USB, and 1 optical

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Does your computer monitor support composite

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Or if you have an old dvd recorder player with composite in and HDMI out as a work around

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 1:34 AM

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No, but I do have other TVs that do.

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You've given me some solid ideas to try. I appreciate it bigtime

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 1:34 AM

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You could try that just to look through the on screen menu

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No worries.

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There is probably some setting called AUDIO PASSTHROUGH or something

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 1:35 AM

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👍

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 1:38 AM

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There might also be something weird going on with different protocols

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I'm not sure if the optical out on your AVR is like a direct clone of the input

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Or if it's a special regenerated signal.

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What is the model of your AVR

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And do you have any other devices with optical in you can use to test

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Checking

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STR-DE997 Sony

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Man, I really am not sure if I have anything else with optical in...

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I plan on getting a newer AVR in the near future and this one will become the garage/shop tunes...but thats a couple months down the road

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📎 Capture11.JPG

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📎 Capture9.JPG

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Wonder if it's strictly only for recording...?

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 1:58 AM

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By recording they assume you are using a tape recorder

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I think I understand

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You need to plug the tv output into a different input

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Go back to TV Sat In

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Actually SA-CD in

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TV out to SA-CD in

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And TAPE out to Sonoff

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 2:01 AM

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K...let me try it

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This would be something else if we got it working!

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 2:03 AM

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The tape in outs

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Aren't supposed to be used at the same time

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And it's possible the tv in won't pass through,

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By design

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So that leaves the CD in

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Okay, so...

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 2:06 AM

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It's also possible that the tv out as DRM on it

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So your AVR won't pass it through no matter what

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 2:08 AM

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Nailed it

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Sound from all speakers on SA-CD selection

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Freakin BA

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I owe you a sixer 😁

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Just watch out some content from your TV may have DRM flags on it

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Or encrypted etc

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Which means your AVR won't pass it through

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There's ways around it by buying gear but I'd just save your money

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Gotcha...well I'm watching Netflix as we speak and it sounds stellar

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Maybe your TV is too lazy to do it

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Which is good for yoy

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Lol, it's a 4K 75" Samsung OLED

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 2:12 AM

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I think if you played a Bluray or DVD that issue might pop up

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But it might not

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Yeah, no players here. Just a shield TV. I'm a streamer, and my TV service is OTA and IPTV

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Anyhow, awesome man! Thanks a ton! Seriously...

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 2:13 AM

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No worries glad it worked out

rapid musk Mar 23, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Now to putting back together my son's busted iPad screen...yay for me

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 2:14 AM

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This is why we can't have nice things

hushed basalt Mar 23, 2019, 8:52 AM

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Does anyone know of any scanning software for Linux that doesn't suck

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Tried simple scan and g2scanpdf

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I think I'll have to write my own cli script

odd mist Mar 23, 2019, 1:14 PM

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@brisk glen we're getting off topic 😄

brisk glen Mar 23, 2019, 1:14 PM

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😛

odd mist Mar 23, 2019, 1:15 PM

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We just had a vendor complain that smbv1 was disabled on a PoS machine 🤦

brisk glen Mar 23, 2019, 1:15 PM

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what happens when a network administrator sees the train wreck from afar

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ipv6 without nat is great, just need a basic firewall

odd mist Mar 23, 2019, 1:16 PM

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There are still tons of machines with RDP open to the world

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Then people wonder why their account gets locked out

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There are also lots of "servers" that don't even have fail2ban configured

brisk glen Mar 23, 2019, 1:18 PM

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I don't even port forward to ha anymore on my home net, I have it on the same vpn as my reverse proxy is on

odd mist Mar 23, 2019, 1:19 PM

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I think I need mine public for the Google integrations

brisk glen Mar 23, 2019, 1:19 PM

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thats the thing, I can access it publicly

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just via the reverse proxy server

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its similar to how HA cloud does it

odd mist Mar 23, 2019, 1:20 PM

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Is your proxy not at home?

brisk glen Mar 23, 2019, 1:20 PM

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correct

odd mist Mar 23, 2019, 1:21 PM

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Ah. Mines all running in docker containers on a Dell Optiplex. Including traefik as my reverse proxy

brisk glen Mar 23, 2019, 1:22 PM

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everything is dockerized as well except I am using nginx

midnight adder Mar 23, 2019, 5:34 PM

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just ordered a window sensor, motion sensor and another wireless switch

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all xiaomi

midnight adder Mar 23, 2019, 6:25 PM

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no clue what im gonna use the window sensor for but i plan on using the motion sensor in my kitchen so i can waddle in at night and automatically have the light turn on

dull chasm Mar 23, 2019, 6:34 PM

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i think we need to make a homeassitant help line .....what do ya'll think

📎 unknown.png

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ha anonomus

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i wa at 83 at one point

orchid rose Mar 23, 2019, 6:39 PM

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Oh man, updated Kodi from 17 to 18 and because of that went from MadVR to the default renderer and I'm shocked to see how much of a difference there actually is in quality... I really hope it's better on Linux as I did order a chinese tv box thingy to run this on instead of my gaming pc... On the plus side Viasat, Netflix etc work, but still...

strange vapor Mar 23, 2019, 6:39 PM

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My house is in front of a school. I put up a free Wifi essid which could be connected to from the school, and the captive portal educated a lot of kids about what a Rick Roll is! Over 200 attempts in the first hour :)

real latch Mar 23, 2019, 7:28 PM

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My RPI3 acting wierd.

[17616.438343] Under-voltage detected! (0x00050005)
[17620.598411] Voltage normalised (0x00000000)
[17645.558417] Under-voltage detected! (0x00050005)``` * over 9000

Swapped like 6 PSU. Should I consider buying new one?

pure vine Mar 23, 2019, 7:32 PM

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So, im thinking of cable tieing some DS18b20 to the output pipes of my boiler and using that to monitor the tempreture of the water the boiler is producing

clever mortar Mar 23, 2019, 7:52 PM

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@real latch Could also be a problem with the USB cable

real latch Mar 23, 2019, 7:54 PM

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No way. QC3.0 works over this cable.

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Well over chain of cables.

clever mortar Mar 23, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Well, it's either the cable, or you have a really bad run of luck on the power supplies

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Of course, if you're using mobile chargers...

real latch Mar 23, 2019, 7:55 PM

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I've tried several PSUs. 2 of them were QC3.0 rated.

clever mortar Mar 23, 2019, 7:56 PM

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That only helps if the Pi supports QC

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It doesn't 😉

real latch Mar 23, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Yeah I know. But nevertheless they claim they are able to provide 2.5a@5v.

clever mortar Mar 23, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Only helps if the device can negotiate it

real latch Mar 23, 2019, 7:57 PM

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And I swear (well, my ampere-volt meter does) they do when charging powerbank.

clever mortar Mar 23, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Which suggests the powerbank can negotiate it

real latch Mar 23, 2019, 7:59 PM

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So what do you suggest?

clever mortar Mar 23, 2019, 8:00 PM

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For certainty, use something designed for the Pi

real latch Mar 23, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Cable can handle 2a@9v. PSUs providing it.

clever mortar Mar 23, 2019, 8:00 PM

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I've got a couple of Cheotec multi-port units however, that have been just fine

real latch Mar 23, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Like Pi official PSU or what?

clever mortar Mar 23, 2019, 8:01 PM

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That's the safest bet

real latch Mar 23, 2019, 8:01 PM

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I'm afraid that's not the cause of the problem but worth a try.

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At least I'll get new PSU for NEW BOARD.

clever mortar Mar 23, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Undervoltage is either the supply, or the cable

real latch Mar 23, 2019, 8:03 PM

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Worth to mention that this unit has been running on cheap china PSU with 2.5A @ 5v claimed but was constantly running @ 4.6somewhat volts.

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Official documentation claims that RPi3 without devices attached runs fine @ 0.5A
Typically, the model B uses between 700-1000mA depending on what peripherals are connected; the model A can use as little as 500mA with no peripherals attached.

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The maximum power the Raspberry Pi can use is 1 Amp. If you need to connect a USB device that will take the power requirements above 1 Amp, then you must connect it to an externally-powered USB hub. Seems it's not PSU or cable issue.

clever mortar Mar 23, 2019, 8:08 PM

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You're getting an undervoltage report...

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It's unlikely that the problem is with something other than the power

real latch Mar 23, 2019, 8:16 PM

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I swapped all PSUs I have at home which were rated above 2A @ 5V even though RPi3a consumtion around 1A at maximum. Probably faulty board or something.

clear ferry Mar 23, 2019, 9:01 PM

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What my job feels like sometimes https://i.redd.it/ym62ut67fxn21.png

pure vine Mar 23, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Done, esp home made that super quick

📎 Screenshot_20190323-210919_Chrome.png

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Its all being done on the eletrical side of the boiler, where the 230v comes in for the boiler and thermostat reciver

gloomy canyon Mar 23, 2019, 9:19 PM

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cool, how do you read the data out?

pure vine Mar 23, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Ive cable tied these to the corisponding pipes

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the heating temp is attached to the return pipe for the heating loop and the hot water temp is on the hot water out pipe

gloomy canyon Mar 23, 2019, 9:21 PM

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ah so more the pipe temp not the water itself, right?

pure vine Mar 23, 2019, 9:22 PM

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its close ennough, the pipes are copper so have quite good thermal conductivity

gloomy canyon Mar 23, 2019, 9:22 PM

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cool

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how is the sensor wired to the board?

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and what board do u use?

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ds18b20 right?

pure vine Mar 23, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Yep, they are wired to the board using wago connectors to dupoint wires

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And the nodemcu is on a breadboard

gloomy canyon Mar 23, 2019, 9:31 PM

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do I need a resistor?

pure vine Mar 23, 2019, 9:31 PM

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I've got one, but IIRC the node MCU has a build in one

gloomy canyon Mar 23, 2019, 9:32 PM

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hm i got a spare dsb lying aroung, never knew what to do with that but that's a great idea

deft reef Mar 23, 2019, 9:32 PM

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So I have a question for any of you with August locks. Do I have to get the 'Connect' to use it with HA?

gloomy canyon Mar 23, 2019, 9:32 PM

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@pure vine may I ask you some details in private?

pure vine Mar 23, 2019, 9:32 PM

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@gloomy canyon yeah

pure vine Mar 24, 2019, 12:16 AM

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I just realised I might want to have a loose sensor in there to get the ambiant temp of the box making the readings more accurate

hushed basalt Mar 24, 2019, 5:32 AM

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What do you all use as home servers?

real latch Mar 24, 2019, 5:37 AM

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RPi3 running in undervoltage mode 😀

hushed basalt Mar 24, 2019, 5:42 AM

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Wow :D

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I feel like my Synology 8GB nas is under powered

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I'd cry if I was running on RPi :D

flat lintel Mar 24, 2019, 5:47 AM

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https://github.com/robbiet480/Home-Assistant-Config/blob/master/README.md#hardware

GitHub

robbiet480/Home-Assistant-Config

My Home Assistant Configuration. Contribute to robbiet480/Home-Assistant-Config development by creating an account on GitHub.

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That’s my setup

real latch Mar 24, 2019, 5:47 AM

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Why? CPU Load around 4% with throttled CPU.

hushed basalt Mar 24, 2019, 5:47 AM

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I don't just run homeassistant though

real latch Mar 24, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Running HA, UniFi WLAN controller, pihole, esphome, tor proxy, mqtt server.

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VS Code with HA extension makes life sooo much easier.

hushed basalt Mar 24, 2019, 6:26 AM

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Hmmm HA extension

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I run plex, sonarr, radarr, hydra, ombi, openvpn, tautulli, jenkins, duplicatti, and more

tough igloo Mar 24, 2019, 8:56 AM

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@hushed basalt what else are you running? I think I’ll have to get Ombi, my user base is expanding for plex! Also duplicati seems pretty good

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What do you use Jenkins for?

hushed basalt Mar 24, 2019, 11:48 AM

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@tough igloo ombi is good. You'll need a good reverse proxy though