the-water-cooler

[fair monolith]

https://www.amplifi.com/instant/ is a cheap consumer mesh option

[clear ferry]

or as older APs call it, "bridge + client" in some cases

[dull belfry]

I have a pretty new TP link isr with dd-wrt flashed on it and ISP modem

[fair monolith]

the idea is to have a seamless handoff of the devices in the house

[clear ferry]

@fair monolith I replaced my 5x MSM466 APs with a Linksys Velop in bridged master + mesh, was only $250 for 3 APs

[fair monolith]

@clear ferry used unifi AC LRs for $50 a pop

😛

[dull belfry]

I have TP-link archer c7

[clear ferry]

the MSMs were $500 each new, but I picked up a box of 24 of them for free at work, but they had served their purpose 😄

[dull belfry]

I also have the first flashable router 😄

[fair monolith]

they usually cost $150 and still get regular updates since they are gen 2

[dull belfry]

wrt54gl, good times 😄

[fair monolith]

ya, I think my AP base fw is LEDE

[dull belfry]

wrt54gl is around 50 euros 😮

Isn't that router ancient?

[fair monolith]

❤ POE injectors

[clear ferry]

lol 54gl, haven't seen that in 20 years

@fair monolith I have a 40Gbit core, but the distirbutiion switch is PoE 😄

[dull belfry]

Dude, it has fast ethernet ports!

Do you know how fast that is!

[fair monolith]

nice

[clear ferry]

@dull belfry somewhat faster than token ring!

[dull belfry]

😄

[fair monolith]

im just using some business grade netgear switches I got for only $20 off some poor sap

[clear ferry]

business and netgear in the same sentence

I don't believe you

[dull belfry]

I don't think I was alive when token rings were used. lol

[fair monolith]

@clear ferry managed switches with vlan support etc

[clear ferry]

@dull belfry I am old enough to have soldered my own serial cables to play doom 😄

[dull belfry]

I am born in the wrong generation!

😛

kidding

What are requirements for a wireless mesh network?

[clear ferry]

that the product supports it :p

like linksys velop, or unify

[dull belfry]

Also the two access points don't need to be wired?

I haven't setup a wireless mesh network, sorry

maybe a stupid question

[fair monolith]

correct

one needs to be wired and should be the central area

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt now Australian border Control is on the TV again, makes me think of you!

[dull belfry]

I don't think my isp modem supports mesh networking 😦

[fair monolith]

if you still are fuzzy about a mesh system http://robbsutton.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/archivetempFixedmeshpoints-fixedMeshPointWord-1024x778.png

most do not

most ISP modem/routers are trash grade anyways

[dull belfry]

You know what?

I am goin to get my modem in bridge modus

attach a old cheap access point and let my neighbor use that ap.

lol

[fair monolith]

I hope you know that your ISP could end your service at any time if they figure out what you are doing

[dull belfry]

What, why?

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry television is all lies

Australia doesn't exist

[fair monolith]

its in like EVERY TOS that the internet service is per household

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt 🤳 🤳 🤳

[hushed basalt]

👻

[dull belfry]

Holo it's not my house so I don't care 😛

I mean I live here but not the owner

[hushed basalt]

@dull belfry jn Australia they can fine you. Hard

[orchid rose]

how would they even figure that out...

[dull belfry]

^

[hushed basalt]

I think only one person has ever been fined though

[clear ferry]

@fair monolith actually the law in Norway says that if you have an open WiFi connection you are accountable of someone for example downloads child pornography

[fair monolith]

yes, fines are wonderfull..

[dull belfry]

I will just say my neighbor cracked my wifi

I am not sharing

[hushed basalt]

I think the fines are in the six figure mark

[fair monolith]

in the US its breaking the law

[hushed basalt]

They treat you as a pirate telecommunication provider.

[fair monolith]

theft of services

[dull belfry]

Do you think that I will notice speed difference when having modem in bridge modus?

[hushed basalt]

I don't think you can have a bridged modem talking to two routers anyway afaik so it's not even technically feasible

[dull belfry]

My PFsense will handle traffic

[clear ferry]

That's what I've done for the past 15 years, bridging and pfsense

[fair monolith]

@hushed basalt he can go to the pfsence router which will go to 2 routers

[dull belfry]

I have a enterprise grade quad gigabit card in it 😉

[fair monolith]

its simple networking

[hushed basalt]

Yeah but he said putting an AP directly on the bridged modem

[clear ferry]

Then bridge old WiFi routers or run AP's

[hushed basalt]

Which implies a router on the neighbours end.

[dull belfry]

I will do it on pfsense

[hushed basalt]

And his pfsense on the bridged modem at the same time

[dull belfry]

that I wont be violating terms, would I ?

[hushed basalt]

Still the same thing violation wise

[fair monolith]

@hushed basalt you can do it all on one device and use ESSIDs

but ya, its still theft of services

as long as you share with the neighbor, its classified as theft of services

[hushed basalt]

Yeah he can do it on one devics but the AP would need to be after the pfsense box not before

[fair monolith]

indeed

[hushed basalt]

Plus yeah if your neighbour, or his kids or whatever do dodgy stuff

Not worth the hassle

[fair monolith]

not worth the jail time and fines

yes, its that bad

[dull belfry]

Is it that messed up in us?

You can get jailed for sharing wifi

[fair monolith]

like basically like stealing cable

same thing

[hushed basalt]

It's protectionism really. But they could still comd after you even though it isn't fair

[fair monolith]

@hushed basalt depends on how you view it as fair

[hushed basalt]

Philosophically I think of the internet as a giant WAN, not a service to be gated like a water meter

[clear ferry]

It's so wide it's a TAN Thicc Area Network 🐷

[hushed basalt]

🙄

The internet is a series of tubes

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt hey, I could have gone for the yo mama angle 🤣

[hushed basalt]

~lmgtfy internet series of tubes

[velvet horizon]

:point_up:

Let me Google that for you...

Here, try this => http://lmgtfy.com/?q=internet+series+of+tubes

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt ooold but good

[hushed basalt]

We should all just go serverless like in Silicon Valley Pied Piper

And peer to peer mesh networks as well

[fair monolith]

its impossible to go serverless

[hushed basalt]

Well it's not, it's just not practical outsids TV

[clear ferry]

@fair monolith Tell that to my customers who say clooooooouuuuud

🤢

[fair monolith]

cloud = remote servers

lol

[hushed basalt]

I would like one measure of clous please

[clear ferry]

@fair monolith exactly

[hushed basalt]

I know what functions as a service is :p

But I'm talking about the TV show where they use each users device as a distributed peer to peer node for the new internet

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt every pc in the world has a public ipv4 adrrss

[fair monolith]

yah..... that gets horrid after 8 devices

[hushed basalt]

There already is something like that out there, but I think it has like 12 people on it and needs onion

[clear ferry]

They look like this 267.345.892.123

[fair monolith]

the overhead grows exponentially

[hushed basalt]

Isn't china out of ipv4

483.212.2.143.22

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt https://youtu.be/hkDD03yeLnU

[fair monolith]

not like we dont have NAT and ipv6 or anything

[hushed basalt]

Ew double NAT

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt triple for good measure

[hushed basalt]

Yo dawg I heard you like NAT

So we put a NAT inside your NAT so you can NAT while you NAT

I found the hacker

They're at 127.0.0.1

No wait, they're bouncing off a proxy

Their real address is 192.168.1.1

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt not ::1 ?

[hushed basalt]

His name is local host

He lives in Realtek

[flat lintel]

check out the latest product from leviton

https://www.amazon.com/Leviton-67W82-Receptacle-Industrial-Grounding/dp/B003AU9Q34

(trust me)

[clever mortar]

🤣

[dull chasm]

nope trust is not free

[dull belfry]

@clever mortar you here?

[clever mortar]

No

This is an auto responder

[dull belfry]

Remember earlier, I was talking about discovering a device from pfsense

on wan

[clever mortar]

Please leave a message after the tone

[dull belfry]

lo

l

I made a bridge (WAN and LAN)

[clever mortar]

😮

[dull belfry]

My AP is connected to LAN and HA on WAN (isp modem)

I tried bridging (like a switch)

My bridge interface and WAN are on the same subnet but different IP'S

[clever mortar]

It's a strange way to go about things

[dull belfry]

I am still unable to ping from WAN (HA) to my device on LAN

😦

[clever mortar]

You're going the wrong way about this

Move all your kit to the LAN side of pfSense

If you need to extend the WiFi, use the likes of the Amplifi mesh

Or just run some other access points

[dull belfry]

Will HA automatically pickup IP from dhcp?

[clever mortar]

Home Assistant doesn't have an IP

The OS does

[dull belfry]

Oh lol, true

Yeah I am making things way too complicated

[clever mortar]

Yes 😉

[dull belfry]

I will attach my HA to PFSense and have ports fowarded from ISP modem to pfsense

and have PFsense forward the ports to HA

[clever mortar]

Ideally what you'd do is put the modem into bridge mode, and a second interface on the pfSense for your neighbour, firewalled from your network

Then you remove double NAT, and both of you have separate networks

[dull belfry]

Yes I am aware of that 😄

But I will be moving out

sooner or later

[clever mortar]

If it's more than 3 to 6 months, it's worth doing

[dull belfry]

Other people are not so tech savy 😛

[clever mortar]

That won't be your problem, but will be your neighbours 😛

[dull belfry]

I will consider it 😃

Anyways I am going to attach my ha to pfsense lan

[dull belfry]

@clever mortar

[velvet horizon]

Tinkerer is away for 14m 27s with a message :point_right: Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it.

[dull belfry]

I forwarded ports on my modem to pfsense. I also have setup port forwarding on my pfsense box to HA server.

My port is still not accessible

😭

I forwarded ports from the nat --> port forwarding tab in pfsense

[fair monolith]

So you forwarded the ports... is it allowed in the firewall as well?

Not sure if pfsence does that for you

[dull belfry]

I am very stupid

I had to configure destination WAN net, for forwarding.

I was thinking destination should be my HA server

[hushed basalt]

Whoever coined the term "Sleeps like a baby" has a sick sense of humour

[green inlet]

Anyone using an edge router can help me

[hearty depot]

@green inlet I Using it - But not to good in configurig I guess - but I ll try

[young sigil]

@green inlet likewise. Mostly GUI config experience.

[hearty depot]

Mhmm..
google cloud console with a rest sensor - ar this 3.3k querys or 3.3?

  - platform: rest
    name: youtubetest2
    resource: https://www.googleapis.com/youtube/v3/search?order=date&part=snippet&channelId=UCeeq-2NCFFEjcSQC9VXNVEA&key=____myAPYkeySORRY___
    value_template: '{{ value_json["items"][0].id.videoId }}'

this shuld update once per minute when I`m not wrong?

well... these lines are working - but 340 requests from a single rest sensor?

[gusty umbra]

Any plex users out there using Phlex? I just saw it, and it looks pretty cool. But I do not like how it needs forwarded ports. :/

[light trout]

It only need ports forwarded if you want to use it with google assistant/alexa, how else whould those be able to contact it?

[clear ferry]

@light trout I can only imagine the hickups of the voice control "play the latest modern family episode" "ok, playing xfiles season 4 episode 16"

[light trout]

During my tests of it, it actually worked really good

[clear ferry]

@light trout really? I probably would have no use for it though, we spend 5 minutes deciding what movie to watch anyway 🤣

[light trout]

I don't have anyone to argue with on what to watch 😄

[gusty umbra]

Yeah @light trout, I understand. But personally I am not confident with port forwarding and exposing to the Internet yet 😦

[clear ferry]

@light trout 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[gusty umbra]

Wondered if it could be used locally with snips.ai or something

[light trout]

Potentially

[clear ferry]

Meh, 8tb drives should drop in price soon, I need to expand my nas'

[light trout]

You want that, or know that? 😛

[clear ferry]

@light trout want 😂

[light trout]

ah 😦

[clear ferry]

Or one of my backup customers should replace their solution soon, I have one with 192 8tb drives in the solution, I could take a few of those

[light trout]

sidenote: tagging me in every resonse is not needed ;)
If you did that with, lets say @clever mortar he would be less than happy with you 😉

[clear ferry]

🤣

@light trout old irc habit dies hard 😭

[clever mortar]

That's ok, we can fix that 😉

🤣

[light trout]

But yeah, getting one of your customers to upgrade migth be a good option 😄

[clear ferry]

It's a win win situation

[light trout]

oh @clear ferry
@clear ferry forgot to tag you
@clear ferry diddyou see?

@clear ferry

I'm too lazy to even complete my sentenses, adding a name to it in addition make no sense to me 😛

[clear ferry]

It's so easy on mobile, just click and the name is there👌

[clear ferry]

This is what I was imagining with phlex https://i.redd.it/g6695drkx3h21.jpg

[pure vine]

Me: has phone with linerage OS that has better patch level than the Android the phone came with
Bank: you can't use our app on linerage it make the phone insecure

[clear ferry]

@pure vine story of my life, my employer wouldn't support my phone to do an internal app, because it was 2 generations newer than what their team had developed for, so I just went "yeah sure, I'll just log my hours a month later, no problem" 😄

[pure vine]

Its more that they stopped me using the app because my phone is running linerage

[gleaming bough]

Not sure which channel is the correct one, but I'm just wondering about what kind of hardware plays best with homeassistant.

My current setup is a smarthings-hub and various xiaomi, aeotec, trådfri devices. The issue I'm facing with the smartthings hub is that the integration only supports binary units, and that excludes my dimmers and temp sensors which is the most important gear I have.

My main goal by my whole setup is to be able to control everything via the iOS Home app (homekit), and today i achieve that with homebridge, but I'm not statisfied with the latency of it.

Thats why I'm wondering what is the best way to do this with homeassistant? What are the "best" hardware to get homekit control of all my stuff? Is it best to buy a single hub and connect, or just buy a z-wave+zigbee usb stick?

Again sorry if this is the wrong forum, but i felt it didnt really fit in support

[odd mason]

@gleaming bough if you want to control everything via the homekit app then you'll have the same issue with HA i believe

[gleaming bough]

ough, so annying

the only thing i really need to control via homekit is my dimmers, and I can not find a dimmer plug that supports homekit and 600w+ :/

[pure vine]

@odd mason doesnt home assisants built in homekit support most of the classes that homekit has

[midnight adder]

Anybody to help troubleshoot a snips.ai - home assistant setup???

[clear ferry]

@gleaming bough 600w ? No led bulbs? 😂

[orchid rose]

or a lot of led bulbs 😃

I still have some halogens and bulbs. Leds can't yet replace everything

[upper gyro]

hey all

wow, from a peek around, y'all are way nerdier than me 😂 i'm just getting into Hass, only installed it last night

[pure vine]

@orchid rose almost every light in my house is LED, outside floodlight is halogen

I kind of went, every new bulb is a IKEA led(Eddason screw) or ASDA Status GU10 LED

As they are cheap but good quality

[cursive nimbus]

Hey all- wondering if anyone has experience/opinions regarding Fibaro Z-wave motion sensors.

[vast dove]

#zwave-archived

[orchid rose]

@upper gyro, that's a bit rude!

[upper gyro]

I didn’t mean it as an insult lol

Actually as a compliment

[orchid rose]

Here we embrace the nerdiness

[upper gyro]

Lmao I hope so

[upper gyro]

yeah, i didn't mean to be rude. i like nerdiness. i'm a nerd. just not on your guys's level 😉

i'm just doing up my first automations. this is really fun. i don't have much hardware yet, just some smart switches & Hue bulbs

[dull chasm]

@upper gyro its totally ok

[clever mortar]

We're really all geeks though 😛

[dull chasm]

@orchid rose will have to get over it

[clear ferry]

@clever mortar some of us are freaks thank you 😘

[clever mortar]

Geeks, freeks, and all things ending eeks 😄

[clear ferry]

Even leeks? 🧐

[gleaming bough]

@clear ferry led would kinda ruin the charm

[clever mortar]

There are worse people than the Welsh

[clear ferry]

@gleaming bough is that 600w worth? They don't look that big

[gleaming bough]

25w x30 = 750w

[clear ferry]

Oooof

[clever mortar]

Adds up fast

[gleaming bough]

Yup, and led would kinda ruin the whole lamp

[clever mortar]

Or you've not found the right LED yet

[clear ferry]

There is a led bulb that looks like fire, that would look nice there

[clever mortar]

I'm impressed at how much more natural LEDs look these days

[clear ferry]

https://youtu.be/l5h_95nnCaU

[gleaming bough]

I worked in high end design (hence the pendant) and have seen almost everyhing there is when it comes to led (lots of producers tried to sell to us and at trade shows) and nothing can compare imo. It just dosent feel right

But thats only my opinion, but i recon working with it kinda damages you

[clever mortar]

I get that, once you know what's possible, and what awesome looks like, merely good enough isn't good enough any more

[gleaming bough]

Exactly

They have developed a nice led for the lamp, but its 40€ and again i would need 30

[clever mortar]

OUch

[gleaming bough]

Gotta say that I’m really disappointed in nanoleaf homekit integration. Very unstable

[clever mortar]

Slightly surprised, local tends to be better

Then again, my Yeelights are a pain, but that doesn't seem to be HA's fault

[gleaming bough]

Me too

I don’t run HA but homebridge (don’t have the HW to get my dimmer sockets in HA), and everythig rundt perfectly (albeit with a slight delay), but nanoleaf which is native homekit drops out all the time

My «moods» fail all the time now, and it’s always the nanoleaf

[clear ferry]

Hmm are there any rotary dimmer switches in any fashion, either zwave or WiFi or what not, don't think I have ever seen any

[clever mortar]

Rotary is generally going to be analogue I'd have thought

[gleaming bough]

There are «adaptors» which you usually can place behind the rotary, but mine didnt have space

[clever mortar]

Having said that... https://www.osram.com/ds/ecat/DALI MCU-PCU - MCU-Light management systems-Digital Systems-/com/en/GPS01_1028826/PP_EUROPE_Europe_eCat/ZMP_1002733/

[gleaming bough]

• just buying a plug was cheaper (no electrician) and simpler

[clear ferry]

Never even heard of DALI though, seems quite industrial based on the cable length limit

[gleaming bough]

https://aeotec.com/z-wave-light-dimmer-switch

[clear ferry]

@gleaming bough nice find, a bit pricey though, and the dimmer switch is not included in the in wall connector, so even more pricey 😁

[gleaming bough]

Nah, its kinda made to be behind your old dimmer i think

[clear ferry]

Oh I read it like you would use a wireless dimmer to control it after, in that case if it actually dims wirelessly and you can use the rotary as usual it ain't too bad

Now if only some WiFi or ZigBee Edison bulbs would come out i wouldn't need the dimmer at all 😜

[unreal orbit]

Then you get the joy of spending oodles of money each time a bulb burns out 😃

[odd mason]

not to self: having two reverse proxies running is a great way to run around in circles for 3 days

trying to figure out why stuff isn't working

[eager trench]

hahahaha!!!! no way!

[odd mason]

@eager trench yes... :/

finally started digging into why whenever i would go to my new domain, my old system showed up

i'm like there's no way this can happen

started shutting stuff down one at a time and finally realized what was going on

also it took me a while to realize that cloudflare is a reverse proxy

once i turned that off i saw that the ssl error i was getting behind the scenes was pointing to my old duckdns domain

so much shit to go through

i might write up a guide for others that want to use cloudflare with their own domain + caddy + home assistant

[eager trench]

great learning experience lol

[odd mason]

@eager trench are you using logging in caddy?

i'd love to be able to see logs via journalctl as connections are made

[eager trench]

only using what's in the hassio addon which is nothing

[odd mason]

ah ok

[eager trench]

but no reason I couldn't look

not even sure where it creates the log

[vast dove]

Why are you using caddy instead of nginx?

[eager trench]

because it's logical and easy to use and I understand it

[vast dove]

Cool

Just interested to hear why people are using it

[eager trench]

i found nginx completely incomprehensible... just went into a cold sweat every time I looked at the docs lol

[green inlet]

@hearty depot and @young sigil , I appreciate the response. I figured it out. Trying to figure out another issue where I have two guess networks that have internet access , the wired ports have access, but the main wireless SSIDs can’t pull an ip 🤔

[odd mason]

@vast dove the configuration file is much simpler

But getting it setup was difficult for me but mostly my own doing

Looking back I was doing too many things at once but now that's it's all up and running I'm pretty happy with it.

Super simple configuration file is really great

[upper gyro]

looking for opinions on whether or not it's worth it to hook up Alexa to Hass as a newbie to this. if it's rather involved to get it running right i'll wait. what do you guys think?

[odd mason]

@upper gyro for people new to HA i would recommend signing up for HA cloud. it's $5/month but it makes everything super easy to setup but you can definitely set it up on ur own

[upper gyro]

ahhhh good to know. i'm having fun but if it could be easier that'd be welcome. in particular what does it make easier?

[storm summit]

@upper gyro Yes. Nabu casa is way easier to setup for alexa. It's possibly without it but last time I looked at the docs there were a bazillion steps to follow and it wasn't very straight forward.

You could also do the janky method of hue emulator which is pretty easy but it's not ideal

[upper gyro]

hmmmm. thanks. that gives me a good springboard 😃

[storm summit]

Unfortuatenly there are many ways to get alexa working with hass. :). THey all have trade-offs.

There is even the custom skill with or without lambda.

[unreal orbit]

I've never had an issue with hue emulator. I use the node-red hue emulator, but the HA component worked fine

[lyric pollen]

Anyone play with WireGuard?

[storm summit]

no, but it sounds awesome.

I'm waiting for Windows support

[hearty depot]

Aaahhh FUFUFUFU
Still have HA issues - and I dont have a deam clue why . randomly i get a prittey high load
and all starts to fail - Sensors wont update, getting unhelpful messages like Updating systemmonitor sensor took longer than the scheduled update interval 0:00:30 and a deam lot of Serving /api/history/period/2019-02
Today it started with a nice process wich then took a 100% CPU

someone an Idea how I could resolf this dam thing

[thorn viper]

@hearty depot what process is doing this? What does top say?

[hearty depot]

hass I belive it was last time
It occurs randomly

[sage parrot]

https://www.automatedhome.co.uk/new-products/den-automation-launches-uk-smart-home-range-with-cool-self-moving-switches.html

has anyone bought one of these + integrated it yet?

would be keen to see if they play nice with HA

[clear ferry]

@sage parrot that is actually awesome, except for it being UK plugs, hopefully some EU stuff will emerge soon😂

[sage parrot]

hah, that's what caught my interest, I'm no sparky and I'm struggling to find the right option for me

I don't have a clue if my existing switches have a neutral or not, and I'm not confident enough to even look

reports say they use Zigbee but via a hub, hope they can be picked up by SmartThings as I'd rather not buy another hub

scratch that, no Zigbee support :/

or there is, but it's Zigbee 3.0, more research needed

[dull belfry]

Any chance that anyone is willing to share his/her Plex server?

[vast dove]

lol ?

[dull belfry]

Just asking.

[hearty depot]

Yea! I would like one too ^^

[lyric pollen]

Reimburse me for the 40TB worth of hard drives and I'll share. 😉

[mighty summit]

@hearty depot how is that freezing HA instance running ? Pi ? VM ?

[hearty depot]

Ubuntu on a MacBook 2012
Venv install

[mighty summit]

hmm

i've got a very similar symptom

in my case it is due to excessive HDD writes

[hearty depot]

Started with 87.1 - Shouldnt be a problem due to the SSD - but meight be also

[mighty summit]

for me started at 86, and has been ever so slowly getting worse across the versions

87.0 was a little bit better, 87.1 seems worse

but given our completely different installs, i'm not so sure that it's the same thing.

[hearty depot]

When I would have at least a clue - Deinstalled all coustum cards, Grafana and influx &&&

Getting also a extrem high amount of Serving /api/history?

[mighty summit]

removing all possible addons eased the pain. But in your venv install that isn't even an option

where do you see those Serving lines ?

you could keep a terminal window open, running iotop, that helped me see the issue

[hearty depot]

In the HA Logs itself (journalctl -f -u [e-mail])
I "just" moved to the laptop - out of pain I reinstalled HA on a seccond Pi wich now takes care of my lights allone

Whats the command?

[mighty summit]

iotop

😜

[hearty depot]

Ok - I know top

[mighty summit]

same as top but for io

[hearty depot]

aaand installing a new thing xD

[mighty summit]

yea...but that's one of the basic tools.

should be included by default IMO

[mental tide]

@gleaming bough The SmartThings integration supports far more than just binary sensors--it also supports fans, switches, lights, and button events. Check out the docs: https://www.home-assistant.io/components/smartthings In 0.88 coming out Weds, it also adds the lock, sensor, and climate platforms.

[coarse beacon]

Hi guys! I am planning to do the following: Use HA on a PI with an enocean stick. Each time a FT55 Switch is triggered I want a webhook send to a local device within the same network that will then react. How complicated is it to do that?

[ionic temple]

Hi, had an issue flagged up by the Blink Camera people recently that thought would be good to bring to the attention of the Hass community. The upshot is that they responded with teh line 'At the moment, we consider Home Assistant to be an unauthorized integration.'. It may be a good idea to reach out to the Blink guys to ask what it would take to not be unauthorised.

[upper gyro]

good info. i'm new so, unsure but should that info be pinned?

[ionic temple]

just hoping that I can get in touch with the right person to chat about this further

[odd mason]

@ionic temple if you're on twitter try @ing blink and home assistant and see if you can get them together

but if they want payment for integration then it'll probably never happen

[cursive nimbus]

GM all - Any ios: component users on?

[cursive nimbus]

Hey all - Looking to get several Fibaro Zwave motion sensors. Just seeing if anyone has vendor reccomendations?

[pure vine]

@cursive nimbus please use the right channels

#zwave-archived is the one you need to use

[cursive nimbus]

thanks..will do

[vale shale]

Anyone here use/have any problems with simplisafe?

[gleaming bough]

@mental tide but the issue is that it does not support Aeotec dimmers and that is the main component in my home. without support for that, to me its completely useless. (no offence)

[mental tide]

The integration supports dimmers

You mean the SmartThings Hub doesn't?

[gleaming bough]

https://aeotec.com/z-wave-plug-in-dimmer

yes, i have these dimmer connected to the ST hub, but they do not show in HASS when i added the integration

It showed everything but those and some xiaomi climate sensors

[mental tide]

Hrmm

open an issue please

It could be a number of things.. not assigned to the same location you installed the SmartApp.. problem with the API, etc...

the climate sensors will be part of 0.88

[gleaming bough]

should not be any issues like that (location). they are configured exactly the same as all the other stuff i have

Where do i open the issue? on hass github?

[mental tide]

yes https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant/issues/new/choose

I know there's an open issue with the ST cloud where some devices aren't showing up in the new API

I can work with you to determine if you're affected

[gleaming bough]

Do that require hass to be setup? Because rn i removed it due to the dimmers not showing

[mental tide]

no, I can give you a script to hit the API directly

[gleaming bough]

sure

[mental tide]

but the issue is a good place that if others are having the same problem, we can share what to do/how to fix

[gleaming bough]

sure, but kinda hard create the ticket without config file

give me a few

[mental tide]

don't worry about the config

ST doesn't use config.yaml

[gleaming bough]

roger

[mental tide]

can you also log in to https://graph.api.smartthings.com/device/list and 1) tell me what the DNS name is after logging in (to determine if you're affected by the known issue) and 2) What is the Type (Device Type Handler) for your Aeotec devices

[gleaming bough]

https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant/issues/21198

created

[mental tide]

ty

[gleaming bough]

on the link you sent me i get no devices, but in my experience i always have to go to the location first

[mental tide]

let's move to a DM so we don't pollute the lounge 😃

[wraith iris]

Good afternoon, all! Where would be the best channel to go to for asking questions about a Hassbian install? I had a few questions I couldn't really find an answer to anywhere else. o3o

[vast dove]

#330944238910963714

[wraith iris]

Thank you very much!

[lyric pollen]

Anyone made a wireless toilet sensor yet?

[green inlet]

Now 👆is a whole new level 😉

[hushed basalt]

As in when someone sits on it?

Or flushes it?

Or when it's smelly :D

[unreal orbit]

Drzzs had one that would lock you in the bathroom until you closed the toilet seat

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt why not all of the above?

[hushed basalt]

Toilet seats should be left in their last position :D

It's the fairest way. That way anybody using it only has to touch it zero to once

If it's left up it means guys always have to touch it twice

Anyone ever play MDK II

Where the computer would lock you in the bathroom until you washed your hands

[clear ferry]

I only played mdk back in the late 90s 😂

[hushed basalt]

I remember it being scary

[clear ferry]

If only games were made as good and atmospheric as in the old days, I loved alone in the dark and similar games

[hushed basalt]

That game was brutal

Abes Oddessy :D

[strange vapor]

https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/6/18170575/kohler-konnect-bathroom-smart-gadgets-numi-intelligent-toilet-ces-2019 Alexa for control, and possible presence detection as well as it recognises people's bums to warm the seat to the right temp 😄

[clear ferry]

@strange vapor if it only could play noises to hide my toilet activities dynamically🤣

[final pasture]

hello! I'm new to both HA and discord. Had my HA running on my PI for a couple of weeks now (hass.io) and loving it

[peak breach]

that's about a week longer than me… and it's already ruined my life. all my other things have stopped until i get this damn automation working the way i want…! get out! run away! while you still can!

[clear ferry]

@peak breach it gets better when the WAF increases

[peak breach]

the W is in a different state… so not a problem here. (still undecided whether that's good or bad…) had to ditch the W to get into hass, though… been wanting to try it out, but the W kept spending all my money.

[median gust]

Samsung TV broken the API with the latest firmware. Do you guys know TVs with stable or somewhat stable API?

[clear ferry]

@median gust i love my lg

[hushed basalt]

That toilet doesn't look like it has a bidet

Bidets are awesome

So much for a smart toilet

@clear ferry never trust TVs :D

Especially ones with cameras and or microphones in them

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt good thing mine has neither 🤢

[hearty depot]

Someone else backing up HA with tar ?

my exclude pattern will somehow not work

First try like tar -cf hatest2.tar /home/homeassistant/ --exclude=/home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/ffmpeg/ /home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/home-assistant.log /home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/home-assistant_v2.db /home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/tensorflow/

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry my tv is from 2006

I suspect even if you airgap a modern tv now they probably have hidden mics and transit by turning the ram into GSM transmitters :D

[mighty summit]

@hearty depot not 100% certain, but think you need to repeat the --exclude parameter for each folder

tar -cf hatest2.tar /home/homeassistant/ \
 --exclude=/home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/ffmpeg/ \
 --exclude=/home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/home-assistant.log \
 --exclude=/home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/home-assistant_v2.db \
 --exclude=/home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/tensorflow/ \
/```
(i edited for legibility)

@hearty depot confirmed : https://superuser.com/questions/508507/linux-bash-script-single-command-but-multiple-lines

[hearty depot]

Awesome! Thanks @mighty summit Had this exclude running before - but thrown it out after it didnt worked - now a 667 caracters long one liner to back up all files for services and HA I configured - Asking me if it ll work well on a fresh system. When I could need it
shcrödingers backup for now

[upper gyro]

where should i ask a quick question about Alexa and HA?

i really just need a yes/no. it's kinda basic but i can't find an answer

[mighty summit]

@hearty depot Always try to restore your backups. That way you will have done it at least once, when the 💩 hits the fan.

@upper gyro yes

[upper gyro]

LOL

god damnit, so literal

[mighty summit]

general questions are best in #330944238910963714

[upper gyro]

k, thanks 😃

[mighty summit]

Can we guesstimate in which release a certain commit will appear ?

[strange vapor]

@hearty depot I run my own mail/dns servers just because. All nice and ansible managed. Lost the "primary" server while out of country (of course). Backups all good, ansible run on replacement server bought up all the DNS without issue... Dovecot, OpenDKIM, Spamassassin and PolicyD all up. Postfix... not so much. I wasn't managing the main.cf and master.cf properly 😦 Spent an hour reconstructing.

[light trout]

@mighty summit yes, will be next version if merged to dev. (fist beta is what is in next) if merged when beta for next has started, then most likey it will be in next after beta, unless it's considered a beta fix

[mighty summit]

@light trout merged into home-assistant:dev will most likely appear in next release ?
https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant-polymer/pull/2743

[light trout]

Possibly, not entierly sure how the front end works 😛

[mighty summit]

in theory ...lets say :p

[light trout]

But it's the last day of beta today and it was merged yesterday 🤷

[hearty depot]

@strange vapor That Sucks, especialy the timing, but when else - But an hour isnt too bad - Until now i did'nt had a real setup - So i just re set up everything when I had a problem - Now its getting worth to care for backups

[quaint tapir]

can anyone recommend a USB keyboard with RGB backlight that is controllable via the PC, with linux drivers. I want to integrate that thing into scenes with HASS and my other RGB led strips.

[clear ferry]

@quaint tapir wait what, are we back in 1999? 🤔 🤣 🤣

[strange vapor]

@hearty depot At the very least I verified that my backups are good, and that the backupmx worked a charm.

[quaint tapir]

@clear ferry apparently 😄

[clear ferry]

@hearty depot I now backup my config to GitHub, I run VMware snapshots before changes and I implemented veeam backup daily for the whole VM, and just for the heck of it I'm gonna run rsnapshot also per @clever mortar advice to another Nas, I've never been so paranoid about backups before I started using HA 😁

[velvet horizon]

Tinkerer is away for 17h 27m 40s with a message :point_right: Hunting wabbits

[plucky pollen]

Leviton’s Wi-Fi Load Center and Smart Circuit Breakers give your home a brain https://www.digitaltrends.com/home/leviton-smart-circuit-breaker/

[clear ferry]

@plucky pollen nice, hopefully a EU version will come along, thinking about refurbishing my breaker box,it's from the mid 90s

[plucky pollen]

Wonder what it Costa

Costs*

[clear ferry]

Usually a full replacement of a traditional breaker box here is between 700 and 1200 $

Including all breakers

[pure vine]

there are already some Smart breakers in the EU IIRC

or atleast have some computer interface

[quartz ether]

I got one free that monitors 6 circuits from my power company but doesn't allow the on off just monitoring

[clear ferry]

@quartz ether in Norway all meters have been replaced by smart meters, so we can buy a $100 stick and plug in to integrate in ha easily, but controllable breakers would be awesome

[light trout]

Really??? How? 😮

[clear ferry]

@light trout https://store.tibber.com/no/store/pulse/

I saw an integration in ha for it too

https://www.home-assistant.io/components/sensor.tibber/

[light trout]

Interesting! Do you know if that port has connectivity or does the company need to open it?

[clear ferry]

Afaik the government ordered it open from 01.01.19 for consumers, but I heard people still have to call and demand it opened

[light trout]

Cool! Did you order one?

[clear ferry]

I'm considering it very much, just need to bother😂

[light trout]

I see 🤣

[clear ferry]

Reminds me, I need to put my car out for sale again, the last guy who wanted to buy it never showed up 👺

[light trout]

Was it me? xD

[clear ferry]

If you want to buy a A8L 2.8q I have one that needs a little tlc 😂

[vast dove]

@clear ferry i'm thinking about ordering one, they have a backlog until march / april currently so im still thinking about it :

[clear ferry]

@vast dove oh good to know, I reckon you were talking about the power device, not the Audi 😂

[vast dove]

Yeah 😉

Give me some cash in between and i'll take the car off your hands and you can have my Macan

[dull belfry]

Guys, does cabled network connection matter when performing a DNS benchmark?

Or is wireless fine, because it is DNS

[unreal orbit]

If the check has to reach a device that's on a wireless connection then it will affect the benchmark

[dull belfry]

So, run it on a cabled connection?

Thanks

[clear ferry]

I would always say... It depends... If the WiFi is stable and has sufficient coverage and throughout it will be negligible, but cabled is usually always better

[dull belfry]

Thank you

[dull belfry]

@clear ferry is dns benchmarking also fair when your dns is set to your local server?

Cause I think my local dns server, will always be faster lmao

I am an idiot... I should probably change my dns to dns signed by isp

[clear ferry]

what are you trying to achieve ? if you are doing dns lookups of external addresses you would need to know how far the record has propegated, and if it is cached in whatever server you are querying, as long as it is cached in your local dns or in your isps dns shouldn't matter much

[dull belfry]

I want to see what the fastest DNS is for me

I configured my ISP's DNS, and running benchmark again lol. I can see there are faster dns servers available.

[clear ferry]

it would probably be negligable if you live in a first world country with a decent internet connection

[vast dove]

Just use 1.1.1.1 and you will be golden

[dull belfry]

It is not important lmao

but I just want to see if I can make it 0.01 Ms faster 😛

[clear ferry]

pfff mS, give me some µS'

[clever mortar]

Install a local caching DNS server, call it done

[dull belfry]

My internet is already crazy fast

😛

Guys, is configuring your pfsense as dmz comparable to bridging mode of your ISP?

Might be a stupid question. But I would like to know

[clear ferry]

yes and no

routing still happens on the ISP modem

just all traffic that isn't directed anywhere is sent to the pfsense

so it's half shitty

[dull belfry]

lol, thanks 😄

Do you think I will see any improvement if I have my modem setup as bridge?

I have it setup as a dmz client rn

[clever mortar]

I believe I may have commented on that before, more than once

[vast dove]

Just remove everything called firewall and security, set your main computer as a dmz client, should make for an awsome speed improvement

[clear ferry]

interesting, I just removed and readded the zwave integration.. and restarted HA, now HA won't boot anymore, and nothing in the log :p

nice

[vast dove]

🎉

[clever mortar]

@clear ferry I believe the appropriate response is ...

#zwave-archived 😛

[clear ferry]

@clever mortar ❤

who needs #zwave-archived I removed the USB passthrough in ESXi, now it works again

suspecting som buggery there

Guess I'll have to go with the pi + eventstream solution anyway 🤷

[dull belfry]

lol @vast dove

😄

[vast dove]

@clear ferry Why? Zwave seems to be working nice on ESXi?

[clear ferry]

apparently not @vast dove :p

[hearty depot]

ooooh so prittey
https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/02/19/35cb9167ce74e165.mp4

a-fireplace.com/water-vapor-fireplace

This is a link btw
I wonder if someone is able to DIY this

[clever mortar]

@indigo charm Wrong channel 😉

You wanted #330944238910963714

[indigo charm]

oh, sorry, Thanks

[lyric pollen]

Bit late to the DNS party, but I like CloudFlare's DNS servers.

[primal coyote]

?rank other

[slim rampart]

That role no longer exists.

[orchid rose]

are they actually selling those Underknowledge? Can't see any pricing info anywhere

[sage parrot]

you have to get a quote by the looks

I found another site sellling a similar product for upwards of 2k

3k for a wi-fi enabled model 😮

https://modernblaze.com/collections/water-vapor-fireplaces-and-inserts/products/aquafire-1000-flame-water-vapor-cassette

[normal ferry]

hey , any google home speaker users here ?

[vast dove]

👍

[rapid musk]

Does anyone here have any familiarity with SkyBell and their RTSP streams?

[normal ferry]

So, I thought I'd share the fight I'm giving for some time now with a Google Home Speaker I've been having. Not hass related but anyhoo.

If someone were to go inside his/her Google Home speaker settings they'd find a Bluetooth pairing menu , which upon opening it presents an interface with "paired devices" and a button at the bottom right corner that says "Enable pairing mode".

Now I made the HUGMONGOUS mistake of pressing that button.

let me tell you ... NEVER ever EVER press that button

upon pressing it , your Google Home "smart" speaker becomes a "proper" bluetooth speaker ... it will be then listed under "Available devices" for every device (actually mobile phone) that is able to detect bluetooth devices, and anyone , I mean literally , ANYONE can connect to it and stream whatever sound they want

the worse part? you can NO LONGER disable this functionality!!!!

yes that's right, once enabled , you have opened the can of worms!!!

you can no longer disable the Bluetooth exposure of your Google home speaker , AND there is absolutely no freakin' way to protect it Bluetooth-wise from individuals looking to connect to it to stream youporn sounds at 2am

there is no rebooting , unplugging , resetting to factory settings that fixes that (I am currently running tests to try reverse engineer their architecture philosophy)

for now I am guessing that this is a setting that "pairs" to either the "Home" that you declare inside of Google Home app OR your google account as a whole (that means your gmail in plain words)

but I have to do hardcore testing to verify that

another small posibility is that this setting pairs to your WiFi SSID and/or router MAC address but it's more unlikely than the previous

and the worst part OF ALL ?? Google support acts like "this is intended" and "this is the way it should be" and "it's fine I cannot see why you' re complaining" and stuff... either they are totally brainless to not see and escalate the issue OR they've been told to act like that when it comes to such matters

[lyric pollen]

You can fix it with a hammer.

Or fire.

[dry cairn]

https://www.change.org/p/united-nations-send-matt-damon-to-mars-to-retrieve-opportunity

[eager trench]

@normal ferry I don't see that behaviour on mine. I need to enable BT on the GH and then my phone can see it. It will then reconnect automatically but it doesn't randomly connect to new devices spontaneously

[normal ferry]

@eager trench does it stay available for other devices though?

[eager trench]

nope

[normal ferry]

That's weird. Mine isn't paired to my phone or any other "my" device. But whenever I scan with any device either my phone or random generic tablets that go around the house or even my friend's phone when he came to visit , the speaker is there , ready to accept pairing requests

[eager trench]

i just went into the pairing menu on my iPad and it's not seeing my office GHM. Went in on my phone that I paired a few days ago and it wasn't paired... tapped on it and it paired but my iPad doesn't see it. AKA this is standard BT behaviour

[normal ferry]

on the device that you've paired before (so it's under "Paired Devices") I agree that this is how it should behave. Sounds pretty standard. Judging from my experience though in your iPad should also me visible under "Available Devices" for (potential) pairing.
I roamed around google a bit when Google Support let me down so badly and I saw other people were requesting to shut down its Bluetooth functionality somehow. I distinctly remember a title "My neighbour is playing voulgar content on my Google Home speaker via Bluetooth"

amongst the many I 've read

[eager trench]

I think that happens when the device loses WiFi it will go into AP mode and anyone can pair with it via WiFi

[normal ferry]

nope - I'm talking about Bluetooth pairing here

nothing network related

[eager trench]

as I said, my iPad does not even see it via BT.... I bet it would if I put it in pairing mode (if I put the GH in pairing mode that is)

i'll try that now

in GH on my iPad... the option... Paired Bluetooth Devices... sub heading Enable Pairing Mode

and I then need to tap on enable pairing mode

and I can delete my iPhone from there too

ok it won't pair with my iPad until I disconnect my iPhone then it shows up on my iPad and I can pair it

this is 100% normal BT behaviour

[normal ferry]

mine doesn't behave like this I am testing right now in parallel as you are typing , I opened up my phone and the speaker was there as an available device. I paired with it via my phone and then did not unpair just ended the connection so that the speaker would remain under paired devices.

Then I went to my tablet and scanned for Bluetooth devices , there it was the speaker again.

Ready and available for me to pair with it

[eager trench]

I just removed both my devices and now GH says no devices paired and to enable pairing to connect again

[normal ferry]

Ok so now removing both of your devices so nothing is paired/connected to it whatsoever

If you were to take an irrelevant phone from someone within range of the GH speaker

and scan with it

would it appear?

mine would.

[eager trench]

no mine wouldn't

i have to physically turn pairing on

just got my wifes ipad and it's not seeing it

[normal ferry]

may I ask your firmware version(s) as seen in the Google Home app ?

[eager trench]

145350

cast fw 1.37.145350

bog standard

[normal ferry]

yeah we're the same ... I just don't get it.

[eager trench]

got kicked off beta when support told me to reset the GH to fix one of their fuckups and no way to rejoin

[normal ferry]

1st level support had me reset all my network connections on my phone to "try" resolve my BT issue

[eager trench]

guest mode?

[normal ferry]

ended up losing my WiFi passwords and paired BT devices for nothing

[eager trench]

accessibility?

[normal ferry]

what about these ?

[eager trench]

well do you have guest mode on?

[normal ferry]

let me check

Guest mode is : off

[eager trench]

that lets anyone connect......

hmm

[normal ferry]

and accessibility is also both disabled

[eager trench]

same

I have 3 GH's and all work correctly

[normal ferry]

So let me ask you this to expand the previous scenario. So you've removed all paired/connected devices and none of your let's call 'em "third party" devices see it (e.g. your neighbor) so you're happy. Then you decide you want to see it so you go in there and hit Enable pairing mode , and it appears for you to pair with one of your devices, any of your device , doesn't matter which for the purpose of this scenario. Question: How long it stays available before it disappears and it's no longer available again?

Because that Enable pairing mode does not turn into "Disable" once you hit it. It stays the same. So I'm assuming it must have a window of opportunity for your case.

[eager trench]

it does not remain active on mine for more than 30 seconds... I had to re-enable it twice while I was playing with my iPad

I tap enable pairing and I get a banner for 10 seconds and then I think it's over

oh no... it's still active and I paired my wife's ipad

just disconnected and 'forget'

my iphone sees it and can pair

now my ipad can't see it

and my phone can't see it

disappeared from my wife's ipad as well

100% what I would expect

[normal ferry]

idk maybe mine is faulty 😦

[eager trench]

i think BT was active for maybe a minute but I forgot the GH on all 3 devices and now none of them see it until I enable pairing on the GH again

[tidal fjord]

Hey y'all, I'm starting to look into home assistant integration at the house; but currently have a bunch of nest stuff. I wanna ditch it but currently have nest cameras through out the house, nest doorbell, nest lock, thermostat and temp sensors, so we're pretty well rooted in the ecosystem, but I'm tired of paying a subscription fee, and just wanna have self hosted IP cams, not sure where else to go in regards to thermostat, sensors, lock, etc. Would probably use home assistant to keep it all in one app. Any recommendations?

[storm summit]

@tidal fjord recommendation is to get away from nest. 😃 I would need some details on how prosumer you want and $$ to come up with ideas.

[tidal fjord]

Would try to keep it as close as I could to the price I could sell all the nest stuff for, but know thats sometimes not doable

ill get a full breakdown of what i have hardware wise right now to give you an idea though

[torpid spire]

I spent all that time getting Smartthings MQTT working lol

Awesome to see new features though

[brazen sand]

anyone knows if HA 0.88 will address the harmony local api issue? both my hubs went down overnight

[tidal fjord]

@storm summit do you mind if I DM you?

[storm summit]

no. but prefer chat here.

[tidal fjord]

Ok! Just didn't wanna clog up the lounge. But basically we currently have the doorbell, and lock, an entry way camera, a living room camera, kitchen camera, and one in the office as well, as well as temp sensors in the office, master bedroom and living room. All nest currently

I figure I can probably bring together a miriad of products in home assistant to do what I want to do

[storm summit]

Yes. true.

[tidal fjord]

Which is basically lock/unlock the front door from anywhere, view the cameras and change temp

[storm summit]

No worries about clogging .This place is usually quiet.

[tidal fjord]

Also have hue bulbs in every room in the house

[storm summit]

So what do you want to buy and with how much $$ then?

no specificaly buy but like what you want to do.

[tidal fjord]

Lock, video doorbell, cameras, thermostat, temp sensors to start with I suppose. And budget would probably be whatever I can get for my current equipment on eBay/local sale give or take a few hundred bucks, probably close to $1500-2000?

For 5 cameras a lock, doorbell, and thermostat

[storm summit]

you want IOT stuff? hacky esp8266 stuff? pro stuff?

hmmm.

[tidal fjord]

I was considering Ubiquiti cameras but don't know if I wanna be stuck with their software and the question of integration with home assistant. I've done quite a few installs with them and they're great quality wise

[storm summit]

I have a friend with ubiquiti cameras and it's pretty snazzy and looks good but he says zoneminder (sadly) is faster to dig through video.

but its not as turnkey for sure.

[tidal fjord]

I don't really need turn key, oh i also have plenty of local storage so that's not an issue

[dull chasm]

blue iris and reolink

[tidal fjord]

Yeah software wise was considering blue Iris

[storm summit]

regarding locks ... I've used august with good success, though I personally try to avoid anything that requires the cloud.

[tidal fjord]

Not sure what reolink is

[dull chasm]

cameras

[tidal fjord]

I'm also at the point of avoiding cloud unless it's my own personal cloud 😃

[storm summit]

Honestly you can get morning star locks and just attach a relay to them and you have "iot" locks for super cheap that don't have a cloud.

I'm not sure of any fancy lock w/o cloud. maybe someone else here knows.

[tidal fjord]

I'll shop around some more, didn't know if there were like go to stuff recommended in here. I'll look into reolink cams. Unfortunately this is an apartment so can't run cat5 for poe anywhere, so maybe I'll be better off sticking with the nest stuff until I move

Moving into a house hopefully in the next year where I'll be able to do all the runs I want for cameras 😃

[storm summit]

Well, apt is nice cuz its small 😃 . No wireless range issues.

[tidal fjord]

I have an extreme Overkill ubiquity network here, 3 AP's for 1900sqft lol

[storm summit]

lots of people do xiaomi and mqtt because its cheap and seems to work well. i've used the sensors and with with a bit of reading and tinkering they have been reliable.

thats a big apt.

[tidal fjord]

Yeah it's a 3 bed from the late 90's, it's falling apart but cheap and large

And I don't have to pay for repairs 😃

[storm summit]

I'd consider getting a real alarm system. they aren't very expensive and are rock solid reliable. you can use it as an alarm system or just as a sensor network.

[tidal fjord]

Yeah I was looking into the xiaomi sensors recently. They're certainly interesting

Whatever house I get will definitely have wiring for an alarm that I can hopefully integrate

[storm summit]

As for therostat you could make your own or I think ecobee might be the front runner now? I made mine with some relays and I jsut feed it data from a 1wire and xiaomi network

I haven't done any research but obviously the cloud is not preferred.

[fair monolith]

@midnight adder https://www.textasticapp.com

the best you can get for a GUI SCP etc

[west moss]

i'm looking for a new substitute for my mediacenter ( to run kodi, and kodi only )
How good are the nvidia shield? or is the xiaomi 4k tv box good? the thing i'm questioning about them is they run android.... feels way bloaty and crappy to run a full android system just for kodi

Or is the better option to just run kodi OS straight on an odroid xu4

something like osmc or such

[light trout]

OSMC running on RPi3 😃

[clear ferry]

Shield is supposedly the best according to a lot of people, I'm considering getting a Roku 4k though, the shield is quite pricey

[west moss]

@light trout the RPI3 is rather show though, can it realy handle 1080p with 7.1 true hd audio?

or even atmos audio?

[light trout]

Have 0 clue, it give me picture and sound

[west moss]

tho, come to think about it, i use audio passthrough to the recieiver so should be no problem 😛

[clear ferry]

Don't think the pi can do 4k atleast

[west moss]

but it needs to handle 1080p video realy good without frames dropping and stuff

the odroid xu4 is basically a pi but like 5 times faster

[light trout]

I have not seen fram drops, but I probably don't care enough 🤷

[west moss]

not sure if it can run osmc straight tho, or if i need to put in a lightweight linux distro with kodi

thing is i got a home cinema, so i'm rather picky 😛

also considering just getting a new nuc (i use an older one now) but i dislike them having fans that makes noise

[light trout]

Build a computer around a m-ITX board then 😛

[west moss]

i guess i could just make a hole in the wall and put the nuc in the other room, then run the choords through

but best would be some small box with no fan

[light trout]

I'm a fan of no fans..... 🤦

[clear ferry]

@west moss lots of mini pcs like the nuc out there

[west moss]

but in general, a android based solution is rather dumb and unessesary for just running kodi right?

it will just bring problems with not beeing able to controll kodi properly from api and stuff right?

the only benefit i think would be that the nvidia shield would add some kind of voice commands to play movies on kodi, not just on netflix and stuff

[clear ferry]

If you just want Kodi sure, I prefer having individual apps for Netflix, Plex etc

[west moss]

i have kodi only so

dont run netflix, plex, not even youtube 😛

[clear ferry]

I haven't touched Kodi since it was called xbmc

[west moss]

kodi pwns 😛

tried plex for a bit, hated it

[orchid rose]

I was looking at the Vero 4k+ myself but it just seems rather expensive for the hardware

[light trout]

plex pwns 😛 I tried kodi for a bit, hatet it

[clear ferry]

Back when I bought returned Xboxes from the stores, chipped them and sold them for a profit 😂

[west moss]

i also looked at the vero 4k, but thb, it just seems like a bad version of odroid but way more expensive

i dislike the plex beeing transcoded on the server and stuff, rather have each device transcode

also strongly dislike the gui

[clear ferry]

@west moss you can do direct stream if the recieving player supports the format

[fair monolith]

@west moss the pi can do 1080p if its x264 8 bit

you have to be very specific with the video formats on a pi

[west moss]

yea, probbly not going for the pi, think id rather stay with my old nuc in that case, but the odroid xu4 is ~5times faster than the rpi3

so thats the thing i'm considering

can plex handle voice commands from like google assistant?

that could be something that would make me swich from kodi 😛

[light trout]

Not by itself, but with phlex

[orchid rose]

the Kodi voice support is pretty awful which is sad

mostly because of the latency but also because google doesn't allow to use it properly

can't say "play x on Kodi" have to say "Kodi play x"...

[west moss]

i'd rather just say "hey google play last episode of XXXX"

😛

[light trout]

Okey google, tell phlex to play the latest episode of lost

[orchid rose]

that should work though leo

I don't think it's reserved, but I might be wrong

[west moss]

phlex does seem promising tbh, i normaly dont like cloude solutions, but here its actually kinda nice that it does have a cloud solution, so i dont need to open ports and shit

[light trout]

You can host it locally to

[orchid rose]

Ludeeus, I find that annoying. Just too much to learn when you can't just phrase it the way you want to

[west moss]

if you just say play last episode of XX it will tell me to set up netflix

[orchid rose]

even if you have a routine for it?

[west moss]

google does not like kodi 😦

[light trout]

Google does not like x... 😛

[orchid rose]

it's not going to like anything else any more I feel

[west moss]

yea but a while back they even removed kodi from their search engine

because of copyright reasons

they reverted it later tho, as kodi itself does not go against any copyrights

wow flex seems nice, it even talks to sonarr and radarr

shit, i'm gonna have to check plex out again

[clear ferry]

Plex ❤

[fair monolith]

plex is love, plex is life

[west moss]

well, the only real benefit of plex over kodi that i can see is the voice control

[light trout]

There is also that awesome UI 😄

[west moss]

i preffere kodi ui over plex one tho

[fair monolith]

@west moss and how plex remembers what you watched and you can pick up where you left off on all devices, anywhere.

[west moss]

so does kodi

[fair monolith]

even with a web player?

[west moss]

can plex do "smat playlists" where i can add multiple shows to the same playlist and order them by air date? its good for shows with crossovers like arrow and flash

to make sure you see the episodes in the correct order

dont think kodi got a web player, not out of the box atleast, not sure why i'd need it either 😛

[light trout]

Not that I'm aware of

[west moss]

aaaah fudge

thats gonna be a pain tho

[light trout]

Those corssovers are once a year, when that happens I just manually create a playlist with them

[west moss]

yea but i got afew of those playlists :/

bundled arrowverse tv shows together and marvel tv shows together 😛

can it do collections for movies? like all the marvel movies together and such?

[light trout]

🤷 I have never wanted that, you clearly care about this more than me 😛

@west moss It can do smart playlists

just need to make the playlist from a filter

[mighty summit]

Knowing there's lots of Europeans in here , including some Dutch & Belgian people (myself included) , I would like some country-specific advice regarding electrical wiring for a from the ground-up construction project with HA.
Most helpful would be if you are a Flemish-based electrical installer and wouldn't mind going over some specifics with me ?

[clear ferry]

@mighty summit most specific request I have seen online ever 😄

[mighty summit]

geospecific...amirite ?

[clear ferry]

geospecific, languagespecific, professionspecific 😄

[mighty summit]

well, if any Walloons or French people can read this, then your opinion is also welcome.

But I will end up hiring an electricion for the wiring, and it will most likely not be efficient to hire outside of Flanders.

[clear ferry]

I hired a flanders guy to my company some years back, we played online in WoW and he seemed ok, now he lives in Norway and has two kids 😄

But the only good I got out of it was learning swear words and some bad joke about a pig counting

[mighty summit]

hah...he retired on your fees

and i know that joke 😜

🐷

[clear ferry]

neuf!

[mighty summit]

huit

in case any one is wondering : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbGl7cMlpsY&feature=youtu.be&t=277

[potent spire]

hey everyone. newbie home automation enthusiast here. decided to join the discord after viewing some of DrZzs youtube videos. installed Home Assistant in VM to do some tests. Wish me luck! 😃

[low harness]

Good luck!

[orchid rose]

hmm, is Plex integrated directly in to Google Home or how is the Voice control better with it than Kodi?

looking at different options atm to migrate to

[hushed basalt]

You'll find a lot of guys here avoid the google/amazon stuff

Big data and all that

[pure vine]

I find the oposite to be true

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt paranoid androids 😜

[amber bramble]

Apparently Plex has webhook support now

[orchid rose]

So the google home support is the same then as with Kodi? Or is there some tighter integration (https://github.com/OmerTu/GoogleHomeKodi)

[bright rivet]

So seeing you guys talk about plex Im assuming the plex integration is working again? (last tried it 2 months ago but it was hopelessly broken)

[light trout]

This is lounge (off-topic for HA) so I wouldn't count on that 😉

[bright rivet]

Ah thats too bad, guess ill have to check the github issue 😃

[odd mason]

anyone using wireguard for VPN?

[viscid solar]

whats the deal with those starwars groups in the userlist?

[vast dove]

.jedi

[velvet horizon]

The Jedi role (blue) is given to our community members who have proven themselves knowledgable and worthy of helping others. Please do not request to be assigned this role. It must be earned.

[vast dove]

.padawan

[clever mortar]

Indicators of how helpful folks have been

[velvet horizon]

The Padawan role (purple) is given to our community members who have shown that they are willing to learn, have shown progress toward becoming a bigger part of our community (a.k.a. a Jedi), and try to lend a helping hand to others when they can. Please do not request to be assigned this role. It must be earned.

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry there's a reason all these google home echo etc things are so cheap for what they are

[viscid solar]

thanks @vast dove

[viscid solar]

.logs

.pastebin

.help

[velvet horizon]

For help with Hassbot, please visit https://github.com/skalavala/HassBot#home-assistant-discord-bot

[unreal orbit]

#botspam

[pure vine]

Oddly my family have landed on a normal non-IoT Doorbell for a doorbell for home assistant mainly as the doorbell in question is supported by rtl433

[wary jolt]

I got my Dahua Cameras + NVR today... I am looking at my new toys and wondering how the integration with HA will happen...

Any one here has Dahua surveillance cameras?

[glad cliff]

I've got one.

Well, two if you count the Amcrest.

I use Blue Iris for the cameras then let Home Assistant connect to Blue Iris. I had a hell of a time trying to use the ONVIF component with the cameras directly (I'd had some success in the past with having Home Assistant just grab snapshots though).

[clear ferry]

@wary jolt ip cameras? I use zoneminder then pull zoneminder into ha

[glad cliff]

Anyone used Person for anything interesting yet?

I'd just barely set up a card to show me who is home just using device-trackers.

I'm going to try a card using person instead

Or maybe I'll hold off since it doesn't support a picture yet like device-tracker does (at least it makes no mention of it in the help)

[unreal orbit]

I think people are thinking the person tracker is more useful than it is. It doesn't take care of random signals from rogue trackers, and kinda defeats the purpose of separating trackers for different tasks based on what kind of tracker they are. But no one is forcing me to use it, so to each their own I guess 😅

[light trout]

yet* 😉

[unreal orbit]

Very true. I do have hopes for what it could become

[glad cliff]

I've just used it for the card so I can check who is home. No automation or room presences stuff. That seems pretty hard to get right (the Bayesian sensor stuff seems useful though for managing it though).

[light trout]

Same here, currently it's just an easy template sensor 😜

[unreal orbit]

That was my first thought, that's why I was surprised how many people were like 'Finally!' Like they couldn't have had the same functionality with a template sensor and some automations

[light trout]

It's easy, it have potential and are configurable in the UI without Jinja 😜

[glad cliff]

I think it'll be handy because grouping trackers is kind of a mess.

Grouping behavior for trackers needs to be fairly specialized compared to other grouping.

[unreal orbit]

Like any tool it will be up to the people to use it correctly for their needs. Ideally in my opinion if you have more than 2 trackers, you should only change the state of a 'person' if at least 2 trackers have reported the same change in location

Otherwise the probability of false data is too high for my taste

Especially if you're using wifi tracking on a phone

[eager trench]

which is why i was planning on using GH as tracker but that is a nightmare

[glad cliff]

What problems are there with wifi tracking? I just set up the Unifi tracker and so far it's worked really well.

[lyric pollen]

Anything with radio waves is at the mercy of metal and water.

[unreal orbit]

It depends on your phone. Some phones turn off wifi after a while to save power

[clear ferry]

@lyric pollen or mixrowaves, or Bluetooth, or ZigBee 😂

[lyric pollen]

My house was built in the 60s and has wire mesh literally every where.

[clear ferry]

I did some wireless mapping at schools like 15 years ago, damnit lockers really frack up WiFi signals

Those are real bouncy signal randomness fun

[lyric pollen]

Metal and water are opaque to radio waves.

That's why concrete is difficult to get radio through.

and of course you use metal to build Faraday cages.

[clear ferry]

Didn't help that the schools I worked at mostly was from the 60s and 70s and made of rebar, bricks and were mostly 400m long 😂

Managing 50 schools 😤

[unreal orbit]

Wifi is really only useful technology in short distances. Long distance wifi is always a nightmare

[clear ferry]

@unreal orbit yeah, did a hospital a few years ago, had to use 1450 aps to get acceptable coverage

We also did 25000 switch ports with 802.1x which was surprisingly smooth 😛

[unreal orbit]

As long as there is also a wired connection available for critical systems I guess it doesn't really matter

I just cringe at the thought of people thinking they can get away with a purely wireless network

[eager trench]

+1000

[unreal orbit]

Especially in a hospital. My wife is a nurse, I know how bad downtime can be for them

[clear ferry]

Most heart monitors and such are wireless these days, which makes it very flexible for patients

[eager trench]

i avoid wireless wherever possible

[clear ferry]

I've worked with networking for over 20 years, and I am still surprised often by what stupid things people do out there 😶 and now I am the only employee in the country who works with networking so I have to take all the piss 😜

[unreal orbit]

Networking is fun as a hobby, but I cannot imagine having to deal with people's "needs"

It can be really fun until it isn't 😉

[clear ferry]

Thankfully networking is only a couple of Hours per month usually, but it always intertwines with the other stuff I do, like backup, San, servers, and monitoring at some point...

[clear ferry]

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/02/20/google_nest_secret_microphone/ oof

[unreal orbit]

A decade ago, Google "mistakenly" put Wi-Fi sniffing into its Google Street View cars, which slurped data from people's home networks as the cars drove past. The "accident" had been patented earlier. this is almost more disturbing

[lyric pollen]

Having spent my life developing hardware I'm inclined to believe it was lost in communication between engineering and marketing.

I think the street view thing also boiled down to them screwing up the config for the sniffer.

[fair monolith]

yes... we screwed up our config... which is why windows 10 wants to share your wifi settings with everyone

802.11 AC wave 2 is 1.7 Gbps... which is in reality almost 1 Gbps half duplex wireless. now all wireless devices HAVE to support AC gen 2 mummo for this to even work at full theoretical maximum

wireless sucks 😛

[wary jolt]

@clear ferry , yep IP cameras... I am not familiar with zoneminder but I'll take a look.

I downloaded a 126 pages document with the Dahua HTTP API documentation today just in case.

[clear ferry]

@fair monolith yes it does 😝

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry and this is why I don't have cloud IoT gear

'accidental' mics

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt I'm pretty sure everyone is listening in on me anyway, but I talk 99% bullshit, so good luck sorting it out from the good stuff 😁 😁 😁 😁 😁 😁 😁

[hushed basalt]

The ssid sniffing cars could not have been accidental though

Having a ssid map of the world is hugely valuable

[clear ferry]

I used to wardrive some 15 years ago, fun times when people mostly didn't secure their wifis

[hushed basalt]

WEP whelp

A lot of routers were open by default back then

Thank god mobile data is cheap now

You can go on holidays without having to rely on open wifi

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt I have to rely on it, my job phone is $12 per megabyte if I go to the us 🤣

Nice thing about the us, if you connect to one McDonald and one Starbucks you have coverage 99pst of the time, in new York 🤣

[hushed basalt]

Global roaming doesn't count :D

That will always be expensive because telecoms are short sighted predatory nationalists

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt not in Europe, we pay the same in all EU countries as home, and in Norway we have fixed datapackages, so basically we already paid for it, for some telephone companies USA roaming is also included, but that is for consumers

[pure vine]

thats enforced by law though

[clear ferry]

@pure vine exactly

[pure vine]

And also having a easy common market to do the businesses things in

[vast dove]

@clear ferry How did your mqtt/zwave project go?

[clear ferry]

Middle of implementing mosquitto, just have to wait until the baby wakes up 😂

[vast dove]

Let me know

I'm in the middle of moving my setup from RPi3 to a larger server setup. Everything is running in parallel now except zwave. So i have the choice of using mqtt or redo my whole zwave network. Therefor it would be interesting to hear how it works out for you.

[light trout]

mqtt statestream + mqtt autodiscovery on the recieving host should work fine

[vast dove]

I know it should work fine, but i've not heard about many that uses a setup like that

[light trout]

back in the day I had 5 identical HA setups that way

[clear ferry]

Hoping so

[vast dove]

But then @light trout you never used HA in a "production" way 😛

[light trout]

I did at that time (looooong time ago) 😛

[clear ferry]

Do I only need statestream, not eventstream?

[light trout]

Do you care about the events? if yes, then you need it 😛

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry that's only because the EU forced the telecoms to play nice

Not because of their alturism

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt and you guys just go PUT IT ON THE BARBIE

[hushed basalt]

Australia doesn't really have an authority with teeth

Our government in power helped our major telecom rip us off 100 billion dollars

Greased us well

[upper gyro]

LOL i mean i dislike one-upmanship but dude, i'm Canadian

i pay about $80/mo for 3GB of data and unlimited nationwide talk/text

i think i'm allowed to text the US for free too but that's about it

btw that's a GOOD plan in terms of price here

[unreal orbit]

Canadian dollars or real dollars? 😉

[orchid rose]

that's four times as much as here in Finland

[shy comet]

if you were looking for Reolink POE's today is the day 😉 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FQ2T89L/?coliid=I39GOUNHPUP8NY&colid=230B56YSANT26&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

[clear ferry]

@vast dove shit just works as @light trout said, I just installed the mosquitto broker on the hass.io installation, then pointed hass.io with zwave to itself (via integrations), the hass-vm pointing to the hassio (via integrations) and added these to master and slave https://hastebin.com/luwikakaso.shell

[light trout]

primary and replica*

[clear ferry]

meh :p I prefer slaves, probably from my old unix lingo

[light trout]

stepping away

[clear ferry]

that is even what the mqtt documentation calls it 🤷 https://www.home-assistant.io/components/mqtt_eventstream/

[shy comet]

wow

[strange vapor]

Might just be a flood sensor?

[clear ferry]

@strange vapor just keeps the water usage down, "Karen you better not fill up the sink or you know what”

[vast dove]

@clear ferry interesting. .. Remember i'm lazy...... Does the entities get created in the master instance automatically or do you need to create them manually?

[viral belfry]

hello everyone here. i have a question and don't know is this is the right place to ask. please direct me is it's not the right place.

I'm using the alexa custom component and it has not work for some weeks now. i did the upgrade yerterday thinking it would work again. i did the modification to the component but still it didn't work.

i created a vm and only install the alexa custom component and it work. but on my production it will not work.

one thing i notice is that withing the alexa component folder another sub folder gets created. i can see it on the wm. that sub folder is not on my production hassio.

help please...

[clever mortar]

@viral belfry #330944238910963714

Please, take the time to read the channel topics 😉

[amber bramble]

IIRC that outlet in sink picture is just a sticker that looks like an outlet

[clear ferry]

@vast dove like magic, suddenly the creatures appeared like out of thought, mind and peace was restored

[vast dove]

hmmmm

cool

Guess ill finish cleaning out all stuff except zwave then and then give it a try

[clear ferry]

@vast dove hmmm devices seem to disappear after a while, I'm suspecting is because they are outlets where nothing is happening right now (washer / dryer) and I suspect I might need to set a retain flag.. @light trout ?

[vast dove]

😮

[light trout]

you should

[clear ferry]

There is no retain in statestream or eventstream, do you set it server side in mosquitto?

[light trout]

hmmm, it should be the client, but that looks imposible 😦

[clear ferry]

@vast dove theory confirmed, if I power cycle the outlets from the slave instance they reappear in the master instance, so some retain will have to happen imo

[vast dove]

Does not seems like there is a config option for retain

[clear ferry]

I will have to investigate, has to be possible somehow, but idle entities will vanish until they have changes

[light trout]

https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant/blob/dev/homeassistant/components/mqtt_statestream/__init__.py#L67 The True here is for retain

so it should retain all messages it sends

[upper gyro]

hey guys!

i'm just doing really basic stuff but damn i'm having so much fun setting up automations

[clear ferry]

@upper gyro it's so fun when it works, but when it doesn't 😭

[upper gyro]

yeah for real eh?? 😄 i broke the system so hard a couple days ago i thought i was going to have to do a full reinstall

i restarted the laptop server and, suddenly i'm back in with everything i thought i'd lost

it was v. odd. Hass.io was the only thing missing! everything else was there (aside from my custom data lol)

[clear ferry]

@light trout doesn't seem so, but I'm apparently not the only one https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant/issues/7834

[upper gyro]

i just hooked my Hue dimmer switch up so that when i hit the OFF button it'll turn off the lights and my little space heater hooked up to a Kasa smart switch. this is like magic

can't wait to get motion sensors and a USB ZigBee hub, that's when it gets fun

glad this place is here lol

[slim ore]

yay ... work finished .. back to hacking my HA 😄

[strange vapor]

@amber bramble No source where I got it first, but if so I want some of those stickers :)

[viral belfry]

thanks @clever mortar

[clear ferry]

Looks like both clients keep connecting, disconnecting, no idea if that is normal for mqtt, will try with another mqtt running in one of my other VMs if I see different behaviour

[pure vine]

I got my non-iot doorbell connected to home assistant, although its sending double messages when it shouldnt

[sage parrot]

my smartthings devices are playing up tonight, motion sensors detecint motion when there isn't any, arrival sensor going away then coming back again

house is like a disco with all the lights going on/off 😄

[clear ferry]

@sage parrot https://youtu.be/JwZwkk7q25I

[sage parrot]

😂

it's 100% that

seems to have calmed down now

could be the calm before the storm

[hushed basalt]

Wow homestarrunner

Haven't watched that in a while

[strange vapor]

Join the club! Last time I watched Home Star Runner, Macromedia Flash on Windows ME was a requirement 🤔

[hushed basalt]

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth

[wary jolt]

My daily laptop is a Thinkpad T420 that I bought 10 years ago, this thing is indestructible!
I switched my router a few days ago, so today I was checking things up and running around in my house, carrying my laptop open on my hand...
I slipped on the stairs and flew down a few steps, my laptop, of course, came off my hands flew and landed 1 meter or so in front of me. The battery came off, the CD ROM caddy came off and the back cover of the screen popped up.
I was like: "It was about time for a replacement any way!" But when I put it back together this thing still works!

[cinder valley]

lol

[hushed basalt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/at1s29/comment/egzorjl

My husband works in security.
As a result we have:

A fancy-ass roomba.

a bunch of Hue lights.

Three aquariums, requiring a total of 7 linux installs (raspberry pi/scriptable power strips/backups/etc) and one open WRT box.

a monorepo full of half finished, homegrown automation scripts and attempts to reverse engineer the api for the sousvide.

at least a hundred hours of work on setting up a secure network for IoT devices to use that doesn’t have access to the internet.

no actual automation.

Man that hits home

@wary jolt i still use a T420

I sold it to work for $200 last year :D

It still works fine, dual monitors on docking station running Chrome

Inbuilt screen is a bit poo though

[ionic sun]

What a lousy start to the day - my isp reconfigured their network overnight and ditched my external IP address 😦

[hushed basalt]

:(

So much for static IPs

[ionic sun]

I just spent a couple of hours trying to work out why I couldn’t reach my duckdns url

And then when I checked my modem I saw the issue - they have put me behind an internal gateway

Well that was painless to fix - I phoned my isp expecting a battle to get an external ip back again and it took 5 minutes for the call centre bod to tell an engineer to sort it out

[fair monolith]

so I ask myself, why am I tired all the time? then I look at this https://arxius.io/i/ff9a7de2

😖

[hushed basalt]

@ionic sun internal IP gross

IPv6 only is coming for us all whether we like it or not

ISPs and backbone providers should just switch IPv4 routing off entirely to force everyone to migrate :D