the-water-cooler

[clever mortar]

Age, and curiosity, have advantages

[light trout]

it lives in the internet and therefor have direct access to all it's information

[clever mortar]

Wait? You don't?

[light trout]

Last firmware blocked access

found the correct one @granite hare

[sleek void]

Hey guys

I knwo I can pair the GE C life bulbs to google home, but can I get them in home assistant?

[gritty sierra]

Hey has anyone here switched from ADT to Simplisafe? I'm considering doing that since the monthly premium is up there for ADT and my contract is soon to expire. Just wondering how it all works and if I keep my sensors and can tap into them somehow

[distant stream]

So long and short of my Google Fi API inquiry

There's and app and a website. That's gonna have to be good enough

Kind of got the brush off

[wet pilot]

@sleek void no, we don't have a way of pulling those from GH

[sleek void]

I see

ty

[nocturne snow]

New user here, If you were starting from scratch would you install on PI , Docker or VM? I am sure there are different use cases. Is Hassio replacing homeassistant, Thanks!

[wet pilot]

Hassio is a HA appliance, there is no replacing

[nocturne snow]

So they are completely different and complement each other? I thought i saw instructions to migrate from a Non-HASS.IO install

[wet pilot]

Hassio runs HA

~faq

[velvet horizon]

There are a number of FAQs at https://home-assistant.io/faq/, including one explaining the difference between Home Assistant (the software) and Hass.io (an installer) https://www.home-assistant.io/faq/#home-assistant-vs-hassio.

[nocturne snow]

I assume a PI would be ideal for bluetooth and usb ass ons?

[dull chasm]

ass ons ?

[nocturne snow]

Thanks @velvet horizon

[wet pilot]

It could make things simple, trade off is slower CPU and memory limitations

[nocturne snow]

@dull chasm lol Add-ons

I see

[wet pilot]

Also SD cards for storage

[nocturne snow]

What is the norm, if you were starting over

Docker?

[wet pilot]

Depends on what you're comfortable with and what hardware you have available

[nocturne snow]

@wet pilot I have what it takes

[wet pilot]

I started with hassio on a pi and migrated to straight ha on docker

I use a venv for development though

[nocturne snow]

interesting, I see ok Hass.io is only the os

HA is the App

[wet pilot]

Pretty much

And the app isn't going anywhere

🙂

Hassio adds a few creature comforts and helpful add-ons

But can be trickier to troubleshoot at times

[nocturne snow]

Great, It looks very flexible, there is a lot to wrap my mind around, I think I'll start with a HASSIO then see where my needs take me

Thanks

[wet pilot]

Anytime

[mighty summit]

does this seem familiar to anyone ?

it's a snapshot from a news-item that i happened to see last evening on Belgian TV.

[proven spruce]

interesting

[mighty summit]

hehe

the full details are, channel RTBF, news at 19:30, 03/01/2019, 30 minutes into the show.
https://www.rtbf.be/auvio/detail_jt-19h30?id=2442879 (dunno if this can be viewed outside of the country...)

They are reporting on a smart home research project in Petten (NL).

[proven spruce]

that makes sense

[mighty summit]

That is HA, right ?

no doubt

[clever mortar]

Looks like it

[mighty summit]

unfortunately they didn't name HA...in fact, they kinda make it sound as if the energy supplier is doing/organizing/arranging all this for the consumer.

[cobalt anchor]

@everyone - If you were setting up a hassio system from scratch, what are the essential things you would do/install once you had done the basic hassio install?

[wet pilot]

Please don't use @evwryone that pings literally everyone on the server and is a great way to piss people off

[cobalt anchor]

Oops! Sorry! Will definitely refrain in the future.

[wet pilot]

Most people start off with lights, with a dash of media players on the side

[cobalt anchor]

Not what I meant. I mean the setup that comes BEFORE you start adding devices - like, “first I’d install the remote admin widget, then MQTT, then node-red then.....”

[wet pilot]

Ah, sorry, crossing conversations

If you're using hassio definitely set up the configurator and ssh, gives you more coverage for failure

Definitely make sure you have backups

[orchid rose]

any ideas how to fix Google Home turning on "humidifier light" when I tell it to turn on the bedroom lamp? I guess it assumes that light and lamp and synonyms, and turns on the first light it sees in the bedroom list...

[serene isle]

@orchid rose yeah, change the name if you can and you'll fix it

smart switches with "light" in the name are also treated as lights

[green inlet]

@serene isle , vlans is what you are after 😉

[orchid rose]

Mdk, yeah but the issue is that it doesn't turn on a device called bedroom lamp when telling it to turn on the bedroom lamp. Instead it turns on a random light in the same room 😄

[serene isle]

@green inlet whassat?

[orchid rose]

virtual lan

[serene isle]

@orchid rose that's weird, but then again it's also perfectly google

[green inlet]

👆

Virtual LANs

[serene isle]

uh, for some reason i read it as vians, with an i, so I thought it was a software

[green inlet]

Allows all three routers to be connected with only one handling dhcp and the others working as AP

[serene isle]

that's how it's going right now

but if I let the same router handle both DHCP and port forwarding something didn't work right, so I found this setup.. .that somehow works

[green inlet]

From there, if you name all your wireless AP the same, with the same password, and different channels.....

[serene isle]

totally not touching it again

also my situation right now

it's just that the routers don't support whateverit'scalled that carries on the wifi infos when moving a device between them

#firstworldproblem if I'm playing a mobile game, it detects the network reconnection

[green inlet]

Is Ethernet plugged into a switch port or a wan port on the ap

[serene isle]

everything else works fine

I've got the provider-issued modem, then a TP-LINK connected to it through the WAN port, and then from it a powerline to the second TP-LINK coming in from port #1 if I remember correctly (which is also WAN)

[green inlet]

Router to router should be through the switch Ports. Then the router to modem in the wan port

[serene isle]

router #2 is old (as well as a modem) so it only accepted an incoming internet signal through port #1

also so old it's not on dd-wrt

tp-link W8980

[green inlet]

🤘

[wet pilot]

@orchid rose if you have multiple lights in a room and one has the same name as the room you'll have issues

Google side too, only thing you can do is rename the light

[orchid rose]

okay. Not sure how to go around that as I can't just call it a lamp either 😄

[trail crag]

@orchid rose things that the assistants already know are what room a device is in, and what type of device (or "domain" of the device). So many people assign a "light" to a "bedroom" and then name the thing "bedroom light 1".

You end up with a light called bedroom light in the bedroom, then you ask alexa/google to do something, and it's a mess.

[wet pilot]

Non-determinism is a b***h

Call it br-light1

Makes it harder to call by name though

Have that problem in my living room right now, if you only have the one light in the room, it works fine, but as soon as you add a second, it gets weird

[clever mortar]

It works if you say living room lights, then it turns off all the lights in living room

[wet pilot]

Have living room light and mantle lights in there now

Yep the plural will get all if them

[clever mortar]

I found that one out the hard way, through naming a light the same name as the room too 😉

[wet pilot]

But if you want to address the individual guy, it'll be fun via voice

I haven't cared enough to fix it yet though

[clever mortar]

And... be careful with things like TV light

[wet pilot]

Hahaha

At least until we start sending media players properly

[shy comet]

i really dislike teh reservation google does for certain keywords

i wish it respected unique names

[wet pilot]

see non-determinism

They are unique names for their own components 😉

It makes complete sense based on what I've seen on how their code works

[shy comet]

ill give you a good example

lets say i have 2 lights

Living Room Lights and Living Room Lamp

both are placed in the living room

if i say turn on Living Room Lights

i personally only want 1 light to turn on

if i say turn on Living Room Lamp

only that one light will turn on as expected

[wet pilot]

You're shadowing the room action

[shy comet]

i have to move the lamp out of the room for it to work

[clever mortar]

Or... give them other names 😛

[shy comet]

i did rename the lamps actually lol

i mean i get what they are doing is nice but sometimes when you have a lot of devices not so nice

if you say turn on Den TV

but it only understood TV

you'll have multiple devices turn on instead of trying to find the name of the device

wehn i used teh echo it actually respected unique device names

[wet pilot]

I've never had that particular problem

[shy comet]

another good example is when they enabled the shield integration

it overrode my script names

so i had to create a template switch to get around it

they basically reserved teh keyword "shield"

[wet pilot]

Traits will always trump devices

Otherwise the whole thing will be an unstable mess

[midnight adder]

Unrelated to HA per se, but is docker-compose just doing the same thing with a config that docker is doing with command line calls?

[odd hill]

anyone else got the waze travel time component throwing errors like it's going out of style?

i got a feeling that the api queries need to be staggered way more so as not to hit whatever limit i'm sure they have in place and the timeout needs to be increased.

[eager trench]

@shy comet 1000 times this:

i really dislike teh reservation google does for certain keywords
i wish it respected unique names

also they seem to keep adding to their 'reserved words' so something you were using now doesn't work anymore. If they just respected your routines and names first

[oak sinew]

Hello

[storm summit]

Goodbye?

[oak sinew]

😦

[orchid rose]

not being able to play stuff on Kodi either is annoying. Have to kodi play stuff instead. And at times it still tells me to go and configure Netflix in Home app...

[distant stream]

I'm struggling to get my Bluetooth remote to not timeout so quickly

On my Kodi setup

[chilly nymph]

Is anyone overly familiar with the Lutron Caseta Bridge?

[frigid ridge]

I've got a pro one I use with HA for the pico remotes.

[chilly nymph]

@frigid ridge Do you use it for lights at all?

Trying to figure out how to make it not force the room name into the device name.

Both for HA and for other integrations.

[frigid ridge]

@chilly nymph I don't, sorry :/. I'd think it would respect whatever you rename it to unless it's not using the entity registry though.

[chilly nymph]

@frigid ridge No worries. The problem is, as far as I can tell, it requires you to assign each device to a room. And it appends the room name to the device name. It wouldn't let me input "" or a space as a room name...or a device name.

I'm having to go the route of assigning each device to its own group or setting an alias

It's not a problem for using automations themselves. But becomes annoying when using a voice assistant.

[frigid ridge]

Ah, yeah, it does the same thing for the picos. Not as big a deal since they're just input sensors, though -- that would get annoying with actual lights.

[wet pilot]

Most if the voice integrations let you alias the names before sending over

[bronze rock]

How would I build an automation to fire when sensor.minutes_after_wakeup (which is my fitbit) goes from >0 to 0 (aka I wakeup)

[wet pilot]

@bronze rock #330944238910963714 for that

[bronze rock]

okie dokie thanks 😄

[loud widget]

Any advice for picking a climate controller that works well with HA?

[wet pilot]

It really depends on how much work you want to do yourself

Aka how much direct control you want

I went the lazy way and picked up an ecobee 4 and remote sensors for everywhere

[loud widget]

I didn't want to roll my own.

[wet pilot]

I'd stick to one of the big names listed on the components page then

Filter by climate

[loud widget]

There are 43 entries haha

[wet pilot]

Yeah, just run through the big names

Ecobee, nest, Honeywell

Or Google "best smart thermostat" compare that way and then see if HA supports it

[loud widget]

Okay. I will take a look.

My biggest concern winding up with something that is buggy or that I have to spend a lot of time to figure out, like I did when trying to get my cooper scene controller to work (working well now, but took way to much time to figure out.)

[wet pilot]

The big names will probably have better support in HA as there will be more people paying attention to it

[loud widget]

BTW, which ecobee did you get?

[wet pilot]

I picked up the 4

[loud widget]

basically the same as 3, but with Amazon Alexa built in... right?

[wet pilot]

I think so, I don't actually use the Alexa in it though

[loud widget]

The voice services kind of freak me out, though basically all smart phone are kind of doing that already.

[loud widget]

@wet pilot does the ecobee ocupancy sensing work well for you?

[wet pilot]

It's really slow to be honest

Not good as a trigger, but decent as a condition

[loud widget]

are they just passive IR?

[wet pilot]

I'm not sure how they work. Some sort of RF to communicate back to the thermostat

The polling frequency seems to be pretty slow though

[loud widget]

Probably to extend battery life

Trying to think about whether or not they should be a deciding factor, or if they could be easily replaced with z-wave motion/temperature sensors.

[wet pilot]

Could be supplemented, but that brings you closer to the manual control 😉

[loud widget]

Do you use HAdashboard with the ecobee?

[wet pilot]

I use the ecobee temp sensors and the occupancy to factor into my fan automations

I don't use hadashboard

Though I do use appdaemon for automation

[loud widget]

I have been using HAdashboard to give an idiot resistant interface to control stuff.

I don't trust my kids poking around in the main HA interface.

[wet pilot]

Lol

[glass glade]

where can i find info on the descovery "device" function as i understand it is not available for light an sensors yet?

[nimble valve]

Hey,
i hope this is the right place to introduce myself. Im Fabian from Germany and im new in this hole maker/DIY stuff (It makes a lot of fun). Started with 3d printing, got a mk3. Also I started smart home with home assistant. I have some homematic devices, one wemos d1mini with DHT11 with tasmota/mqtt and octoprint. Next plans: Some Ikea stuff(FYRTUR) and more esp8266 😃

[brisk furnace]

Anyone know if Android TV is getting tossed into the 0.85 release? I'm looking at the RC notes and see no mention of it, but saw it on the community forums pointing to this github: https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant/pull/19157

super stoked for that since I just got an nvidia shield 😛

[wet pilot]

its not merged, so my guess is no

beta has already been cut

[brisk furnace]

darn! i could probably DL and test as a custom comp

[orchid rose]

does anyone know if google home has some sort of API that could be used to determine if it's in listening mode? If it did, I could use that as a trigger for hass to lower volume in Kodi

[wet pilot]

not that i have seen

they definitely keep track of it though, they support audio ducking from GH to chromecast devices

[azure gulch]

Can someone help me determine if I need two ge switches or one switch and one add-on. I know that the add-on switch is for 3 way switches but I'm not sure what my setup is called. I have one master switch that turns off all the lights and another switch that only turns on and off some of the lights that the master controls. The non master switch only functions when the master switch is on.

[wet pilot]

to confirm, if master is off and sub is on, all lights are off and you can't override that?

[hardy canopy]

Can someone recommend a smart plug with energy monitoring?

[uneven cobalt]

@hardy canopy I have the older version of this and it works great. https://aeotec.com/z-wave-plug-in-switch

[azure gulch]

@wet pilot that is correct

[wet pilot]

i'm not sure if you can make the second one smart in that condition

[azure gulch]

Okay thanks

[wet pilot]

smart switches typically require constant line power

[azure gulch]

Yeah I wonder if there's a way to change how it's wired in the box

[wet pilot]

add-on won't work either since you actually need to be pushing power down the pipe

you could bypass the 2nd switch, but i don't think you'd have enough conductors in the wall to put an addon there

since it doesn't seem to be wired as a traditional 3-way

[azure gulch]

Okay thanks for the help!

[wet pilot]

if you pull the sub switch and you see a red wire in there, you're golden

[azure gulch]

When I opened it up there were only black wired

[hardy canopy]

@uneven cobalt That's one I was looking at. I was hesitant because it blocks the second outlet

[azure gulch]

And a capped neutral

[wet pilot]

no white?

[uneven cobalt]

@hardy canopy The one I have doesn't. I have this one. https://venus-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/_images/aeon_dsc06106_energy_switch.jpg

[azure gulch]

Yeah there's a white too

[wet pilot]

ok cool

yeah, you're probably SoL on the sub switch then

unless you want to pull a new line

[azure gulch]

Okay I don't really care about the other switch as long as I can automate the master

[wet pilot]

awesome 😃

yeah, you can just leave the "dumb" switch in there and replace the master

could also bypass the sub switch if you wanted

wire nut black to black, remove the switch and put a cover on

[azure gulch]

So that just wires the switch as always on?

[wet pilot]

yep, if you don't need it

[azure gulch]

Cool thanks

[wet pilot]

that'll keep people from turning that switch off and breaking your automation 😛

[azure gulch]

Yeah for sure

[distant stream]

Anyone do weather based thermostat automations? I am bored and tinkering

[midnight adder]

question: if Im getting a startup invalid config stating there is a problem with an automation, but Im not getting a line # , how can I narrow down my search? "required key not provided @ data['trigger']. Got None. (See ?, line ?)"

[wintry crow]

Is it me, or is this cheap..? https://www.picstop.co.uk/micro-sdxc/sandisk-ultra-micro-sdxc-memory-card-100mbs-class-10-for-android-200gb.html

[clever mortar]

@midnight adder Questions about Home Assistant belong in ... #330944238910963714 😉

@wintry crow A little, but Amazon has them for £40... 🤷

[wintry crow]

Possibly a bit overkill for HA on a pi lol

[clever mortar]

Yes

If you need more storage, USB boot and an SSD 😉

[midnight adder]

@acoustic minnow See above.

[idle coyote]

I dunno if I should ask this in a different subforum, or... should not ask it at all 😃 But I would like to get started with HA - I don't have anything except a raspberry pi at this point 😃 If I buy a Hue starter pack, and go with HA instead of the Hue app - is that how it works? What does the user experience look like with HA vs with Hue native app? Or do they coexist? I am trying to set expectations so my girlfriend only wants to murder me a little bit once this all kicks off 😃

[orchid rose]

they co-exist

personally I have no experience with Hue so I don't know how the app differs from the home assistant UI. Probably not that much of a difference to start with but once you start adding smart stuff in to the home, home assistant just makes it easier as it supports such a wide variety of different platforms and the automations are very customizable

you should check the components page, think what you want to achieve and start from there deciding what stuff you should actually buy. A lot of people love their Hues. https://www.home-assistant.io/components/

[idle coyote]

Fantastic.. at this point, I don't have the HA setup, but the lights may come first. I was afraid that I was going to get the Hue app running, learn it, and then have to switch to HA which frankly I imagine looks less "polished". Not important to me, but would definitely impact others in the house 😃

Thanks for the link.. I've done some reading, and definitely seen a lot of love for the Hue... It's just all theoretical for me at this point. I appreciate the advice though..

[orchid rose]

Automation is what puts the smart in smart home. Until that it's just a remote controller in your pocket, but with automation you can do so much more than that

the goal for me is to never open any app - everything should happen automatically to my liking and if there's something else I need, there's google home to ask to do it

[idle coyote]

That sounds ideal for me as well. I plan to shop to motion sensors and investigate presence detection as soon as I get up and running.

I think I'm trying super hard not to make things MORE complicated, not less 😃 I guess that's the goal

Learning about how I can set the whole apartment to "relax mode" or "movie mode" or "burn my retinas mode" as efficiently as possible is what I'm looking forward to sorting out 😃

[orchid rose]

some people have crazy setups but even with just a few bulbs and sensors you can do quite a bit. With Home assistant you have to be a little bit computer literate ofc so I haven't recommended it to all my friends just yet

[idle coyote]

For fear of becoming Tech Support? 😃 I'm really excited to get into it.. I spend half my time googling up reasons to justify the expense 😃

[serene isle]

so, i'm using telegram to get picture notifications whenever motion is detected at home.. is there a limit to how many messages or photos i can spam before I'm banned?

[orchid rose]

not just the tech support part but I don't think they'd get anywhere with a system that's based on text and not a gui

can't see anything on the telegram site on pictures which is a bit weird. Maybe they haven't thought that could be an issue

[serene isle]

well...

that's just last evening (not night) and this morning

[orchid rose]

haha, how big are the pictures?

[serene isle]

a 1280x720 jpg, probably not more than a couple kb

actually 117kb the one I can save from telegram web

that's about 72MB used

not a big deal for the I guess

[orchid rose]

yeah I doubt that's an issue

[serene isle]

I should worry more about the disk space on my raspis actually

the MQTT server keeps a copy for... dunno, some time? and then HASS also keeps a copy in /api/ for who knows how long

or is /api/ not a real folder?

it still keeps them somewhere, unless it's fetching them from MQTT on request

[graceful sierra]

Since the good ol' HassBot automatically puts anything over 15 lines on https://paste.ubuntu.com , why not just skip the rule and allow people to post them. Then just have the bot link to it, instead of chastising them?
Not that I have forgotten (except that first one time), but is there a reason to not use the HassBot to just make life easier for us all, by automation? Isn't that actually one of the things that bring us all together in the first place?

[dull chasm]

Because it’s only when someone doesn’t follow the guidelines and if you notice the long post floods the chat and then removed and pasted by hassbot

[midnight adder]

I recognized this one in the morning https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JDYF7rf9wG/

Don't know if it would've been better if he had hitted some enter in between 😃

[graceful sierra]

Sure, I get that. My point was more that if the bot can do that, then why not just make the "policy" that you can post, but your long post will be automatically deleted, and pasted with a link provided?
If the bot only replied with e.g.

@graceful sierra posted https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JDYF7rf9wG/

Then.. well, at least I don't think it would be very obtrusive to do. And it would save the poster some time, as compared to opening a different website, pasting, saving, copying the link, and pasting that back into Discord. Just asking, since I like the automation of it 🙂

[fallow aurora]

Anyone have a recommendation for a decent light strip

[orchid rose]

what do you need from it?

[fallow aurora]

Well I see that the lifx one requires a base. Probably going to put one behind the TV eventually

Just want one that is a decent value I guess

[unreal orbit]

Most strips require hubs

[orchid rose]

do you want it to show just a single color or animations?

[unreal orbit]

If you wanted something really simple and cheap I have had okay luck with Yeelight

[fallow aurora]

Well I only have 2 bulbs from Costco so far. They are feit so I'm not sure if they can pulse or do any animations

They use the tuya component

Just wondering what people have luck with

[orchid rose]

what I meant by animations is that some led strips have all individual leds controllable while the generic ones are just one color at a time

but there are lots of cheap options, but most require some hub. I use Milight controllers with some standard 5050 RGB/RGBW led strip. The controllers are 6-7$ and the strips from 6$/5m upwards

the hub is 14$ although you can make your own as well with a nodemcu and an antenna which will be a bit cheaper (<5$)

[unreal orbit]

Does anyone have any experience with RainMachine smart sprinkler controllers? They list Home Assistant compatibility on their product page, which is very promising to me that they are embracing this platform

[fallow aurora]

@orchid rose that's the kinda info I was looking for. I just really don't want to buy into Phillips. They are nice, don't get me wrong but my wife is already giving me strange looks for buying 2 bulbs for 30 bucks

[wet pilot]

#diy-archived probably has a bunch of options if you want to break out the solder gun and MQTT

[orchid rose]

there are diy options for the led strips too. Not much you can't do with a esp8266

[unreal orbit]

I just ordered my first Sonoff basics this weekend. I'm hoping this won't lead me down a dark path

[fallow aurora]

@orchid rose what brand are the led strips you use?

[orchid rose]

no brand, just some cheap basic ones from Aliexpress. I very much doubt there's much difference between the brands

[graceful sierra]

@fallow aurora I'm using the Hue, but also a yeelight. I can hardly remember, but I don't think I needed a hub for setup (I did connect it to a Xiaomi gateway, but pretty sure I didn't have to). Got it from here: https://www.lightinthebox.com/en/p/yeelight-smart-lights-yldd04yl-for-daily-led-light-timing-function-app-control-100-240-v_p6936897.html?prm=1.5.1.1

[fallow aurora]

@graceful sierrai thought any hue products requires the hub

[midnight adder]

Hi guys.

I have a hardware question. What is the difference between fibaro roller shutter 2 and 3?

[graceful sierra]

@fallow aurora I meant I have the Hue one, but also one that doesn't require a hub. But you can also use zigbee2mqtt to use Hue without a hub, btw

https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt

[fallow aurora]

@graceful sierra is lightinthebox a good site for this stuff?

[graceful sierra]

I like it, just because they offer a VAT insurance. Where I live, you will usually get a bill from the customs office before they'll deliver your package. But with lightinthebox, I have always just gotten a refund when showing the receipt. Other than that, I don't know if it's better than others...

If you buy the insurance, but for me, it's paid off to do the insuarance.

[serene isle]

say, did someone here 3dprint or buy a cute shell for an ESP+DHT22 combo?

nodeMCU actually, the breadboard version of the ESP

leaving boards and wires around the house isn't the prettiest option

[proven spruce]

its manly

[quaint dome]

but impractible if you have two cats 😃 they really like dangling cables.

[proven spruce]

but i got these since the wife was becoming murderous https://www.banggood.com/10pcs-75-x-54-x-27mm-DIY-Plastic-Project-Housing-Electronic-Junction-Case-Power-Supply-Box-p-1168741.html?rmmds=myorder

[serene isle]

are they big enough for the node and the DHT?

[proven spruce]

they fit a 5x7 protoboard

[serene isle]

and does the temp reading get biased by being so close to the board?

[proven spruce]

you don't put the temp sensors close to the esp board, thats just silly

[serene isle]

the sensor should point outwards, usually, at least on the 3d print projects i've seen around

so you tape it outside?

[proven spruce]

that's so uncivilized, i dremel a hole where i want to put it

[serene isle]

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2330811

lol

[proven spruce]

and i don't use dht22, i use bme280

[serene isle]

20 shining bucks!

(at least on adafruit's site)

[proven spruce]

more like 3$ on the chinese side

[serene isle]

that thing better be plated in gold and give me 110% perfect weather predictions

ah, better

but then you have to place it right on the board, or does it have pins?

[proven spruce]

it comes with a breakout board

[serene isle]

what are the differences between that and the DHT?

[proven spruce]

better accuracy, side by side dht22 is always showing atleast 10% more humidity

also its i2c so i can chain more sensors on only two pins

[serene isle]

it's 4 pins instead of 3, for a start

[proven spruce]

yes, 2 pins for i2c

[serene isle]

i wouldn't know what i2c is, but i can pretend i do

i'm really less than a noob on the hardware side, i'm buying breadboard stuff so i don't even have to solder them

[proven spruce]

its a communication protocol

so was i a year ago....

[serene isle]

if you have a photo of one of those case with the sensor included, i'd love to see it

just to get a general idea of the finished thing

this looks pretty, but then again having a small display everywhere would be overkill https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2539897

[proven spruce]

the kube is a cool project

[serene isle]

it'd be nice if the case could fit a couple AAA batteries to place them wirelessly around, not sure how long they'd last though

[proven spruce]

if you can 3d print its better to go custom enclosure depending on your project

no that won't work, wifi and batteries don't really go that well together

[serene isle]

true that, but what about connecting to the wifi just once every, dunno, 5 minutes to report the temperature and then go to sleep?

or whenever the temp changes more than $offset

[proven spruce]

only if its deepsleep, you could get some decent longevity

[serene isle]

decent... as in? we're looking at weeks, months?

[proven spruce]

this one does it on batteries https://shelly.cloud/shelly-smoke/

depends on a lot of factors really

[serene isle]

i'm really running short on power outlets and usb adapters

even if they'd last, say, 6 months, it'd be great

even better with an usb-rechargeable battery!

but by now it's probably cheaper to buy something custom-made rather than cramping stuffs togheter

[proven spruce]

if battery powered i usually got for commercial solutions

[serene isle]

makes sense, but then it's kinda boring and i lose interest in it, i like challenges

[proven spruce]

true, but some things are a bit too challenging like battery powering esp boards

[serene isle]

being completely hardware-oblivious i can come up with all sort of fun solutions (which are either impractical or impossible)

[proven spruce]

all my bathroom sensors are battery powered since powering them is a hassle

[serene isle]

what're they sensing?

i ran out of ideas, and hardware, but i've got 2 those 2 noceMCU and DHT22 that are just sitting there, give me some expansion ideas

[proven spruce]

i got light sensors in mine, touch switches, pir sensors, apds9960 in one for the kids room, they call it the jedi switch

[serene isle]

tell me more about the apds, please

and touch switches, but unless you're in EU it probably won't help much

[proven spruce]

apds9960 is a gesture (and a few other things) sensor so you can hook it up to an esp8266 and use gestures to control stuff

[serene isle]

yeah, i read that much, but how do you set it up, real life examples and such?

[proven spruce]

slap tasmota on the esp, create mqtt sensor in HA that reads gesture directions, make automations in ha that turn brightness up or down, or change color temp on left/right

[serene isle]

sounds nifty, what's the range for gestures?

does it also work for just plain presence detection?

[proven spruce]

its close range, its used in phones

[serene isle]

awww, that kinda kills it

would be good for touch switches, i guess, instead of a probably more expesive touch screen/panel

[proven spruce]

that was the idea... get basic dimmer functionality with some extra features and it has the cool factor

[serene isle]

is that what you meant by touch switches as well, or do you have something different?

[proven spruce]

i also got some capacitive backlit touch switches i put inside as a basic switch

[serene isle]

EU or US size?

[proven spruce]

doesnt matter

[serene isle]

i don't have nearly enough switch-holes in my house to do all I'd love to

[proven spruce]

you can check https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7G4tLa4Kt6A9e3hJ-HO8ng for inspiration too

[serene isle]

subscribed

got a tutorial for those switches?

[proven spruce]

nope

still work in progress, its not deployed in critical areas (read: where the wife habitates)

[serene isle]

lol

so you basically bough the switch frame, a glass the size of the hole, placed a sensor behind it.. and then?

just stick em on the wall, since they're likely very thin, as long as the ESP is elsewhere?

[proven spruce]

they're on my kids tables in a project box so they can control the rgb lights and show off to their friends

didn't even use glass yet, just a hole

[serene isle]

food time, thanks for the chat, gave me some new ideas!

(that i'll probably make nothing of, but they look awesome in my head)

[proven spruce]

i got like 6 of them not even half finished

[serene isle]

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2813140 battery powered!

[serene isle]

any clue on what's gonna be in today's update?

[clever mortar]

Look in #beta 😉

[serene isle]

looking right now

seeing fixes but no new components?

[distant stream]

I just got ip banned

Lol

[last cradle]

@serene isle check http://rc.home-assistant.io

[serene isle]

awesome!

i might play around with esphome then

[leaden adder]

Hey there. Right now all of my smart device have either Bluetooth or WiFi. Most of the available sensors use zigbee or zwave for communication. What ecosystem would you recommend to use? Xiaomi? Tradfri? Or a generic z-wave Stick?

[orchid rose]

Xiaomi are pretty cheap and what I went with. I think those work with the z-wave stick as well though, right?

[wet pilot]

i thought they were zigbee

i could be completely wrong

[leaden adder]

I heard that too, but a big downside is you can’t update them without the official gateway.

[orchid rose]

I never remember which is which...

[wet pilot]

zwave is the protocol with full interoperability, zigbee is...not

more of a "standard" that everyone implements differently and you basically have to pick a brand and stick with them

[leaden adder]

So Trådfri is zigbee according to Google

[wet pilot]

they are

same as Phillips Hue

but they don't always play nice between each other

[wispy wharf]

I'm pretty sure Xiaomi is mostly zigbee

[amber bramble]

xiaomi is zigbee

xiaomi aqara is, anyway

[leaden adder]

My friend bought a few Trådfri bulbs because they were cheaper than the hue one and had to search someone who had a Trådfri gateway to update them, to use them with his Hue Bridge 😄

[orchid rose]

there was some news about xiaomi supporting trådfri but I'm not sure if that was only going to be in China or here as well

[wispy wharf]

Since I have some zigbee things I've been watching the PRs on the ZHA component and it looks like it should be getting a big overhaul to support device handlers which should allow more devices to be supported soon

[leaden adder]

So could I connect Xiaomi sensors with a Trådfri gateway?

To Hass?

[orchid rose]

I think the other way around but I might be wrong

search for the news, it was only a few days ago

[wispy wharf]

basically if you want to be 100% sure your zigbee things will work you want the hub the same company makes

[leaden adder]

But there is no “general” zigbee. You can’t simply connect any zigbee Sensor to and zigbee gateway

@wispy wharf thanks, that’s what I thought

[clever mortar]

Zigbee is a standard like WiFi is a standard - doesn't mean that everything using WiFi has to talk IP

Unlike Z-Wave, which is a full interoperable standard

[wispy wharf]

@leaden adder you can search to see if a sensor will work with another gateway but do that before you buy it

[leaden adder]

Trådfri is so cheap and convenient to buy around the corner together with 2 years of warranty, but xiaomi has so much more sensors... 😭

[orchid rose]

get both?

[leaden adder]

Does anybody here have the v3 gateway?

[amber bramble]

get a usb zigbee adapter like the husbzb1 and zha should let you use most of those devices together without needing the hubs

r one of the deconz sticks and use deconz as the hub

[wispy wharf]

yeah like I said above some work is being done with the ZHA component to work for more devices (only reason I'm still using my smartthings hub) but its not perfect yet

[leaden adder]

@amber bramble I already thought of that, but the downside is that you can never update your stuff, right? on the other side I don't really know why they were already 3 updates for my Yeelight light bulbs 😄

[amber bramble]

wouldn't necessarily say never... but yeah, zha can't do device firmware updates

[leaden adder]

Ahh why is this such a hard decision

[wispy wharf]

just go zwave and don't worry about it 😉

[tall escarp]

@leaden adder if you run trådfri you can upgrade fw from Deconz

[leaden adder]

@wispy wharf what do you mean? Updates are still not working without the official gateway, right?
@tall escarp hm? Deconz and the gateway at the same time?

[tall escarp]

You use deconz with its own usb stick and your devices paired to it

[wispy wharf]

zwave as opposed to zigbee devices

it was a joke

you can get updates without the official hub but I don't know if HA can do them. My smartthings hub updated my sengled bulbs (8$/white bulb) a few times

[spark sage]

is there a rPI expert here?

[clever mortar]

You should explain your USB booting problem 😉

[spark sage]

😃 you're ubiquitous

[clever mortar]

I am Borg 😉

[spark sage]

I'd like to set up a USB boot

[clever mortar]

Pi3?

[spark sage]

getting 17:1020000a
where I'm hoping for 17:3020000a

yes. 3B

sadly no +

and now my PW doesn't work. 😩

[clever mortar]

Can you share the contents of /boot/config.txt

PW?

[spark sage]

I changed the password to my password...from raspberry. bc I can type my pw faster

now I can't SSH

I might need to reinstall

nope I'm back in

[velvet horizon]

Please follow the rules, @spark sage! You have 5 warning(s) left. You posted a message/code that is more than 15 lines. It is moved here --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ppZsVTSkN4/

[spark sage]

uh oh

[clever mortar]

~rule6 😉

[velvet horizon]

Rule #6: Spam will not be tolerated, including but not limited to: self-promotion, flooding, codewalls (longer than 15 lines) and unapproved bots.

Please take the time now to review all of the rules and references in #rules.

[spark sage]

XD

how do I share code?

2 lines @ a time?

[clever mortar]

~share

[velvet horizon]

:point_down:

Format Code

Please use https://www.hastebin.com/ or https://paste.ubuntu.com/ to share code.

[clever mortar]

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/msd.md says you should have program_usb_boot_mode=1 at the end of the boot config

[spark sage]

I tried adding that, and I lack permissions

[clever mortar]

sudo

[spark sage]

so i tried chmod

sudo on mac?

[clever mortar]

On the Pi

[spark sage]

ah sh*t, right.

[clever mortar]

You need to SSH to the Pi, and run the command as shown

[spark sage]

Tink, you're a wizard. Many thanks again.

Where's your tip jar? This time I have some bitcoin for you

XD

[clever mortar]

😉

All I do is RTFM

Of course, I've read lots and lots 😉

[spark sage]

ok...but I brainfarted again

I edited the raspbian image on the sd card

if I pull the sd...how does it know to boot from USB?

[clever mortar]

Did you follow the guide?

[spark sage]

I did

[clever mortar]

And vcgencmd otp_dump | grep 17: provided 17:3020000a?

[spark sage]

yes

[clever mortar]

Then it's programmed

[spark sage]

but doesn't that query the image on the sd card?

[clever mortar]

Nope

Once you run all that, it sets the flag in the Pi itself

[spark sage]

ah ha

ok. Thanks for tolerating doubters and idiots

[clever mortar]

Everybody starts off knowing nothing, it's impossible to avoid 😄

[spark sage]

green light is all blinky blinky. No return on a ping, and ssh time's out

😕

[clever mortar]

Hook up a monitor, see what's happening

[spark sage]

2 1 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1

headless

ok. it'S booting

undervoltage detected

[clever mortar]

How are you powering it?

Needs to be a USB power supply, not a mobile charger, or a USB port on some device

2.5A

[quaint dome]

With not enough voltage. ;-)

[clever mortar]

Well, probably better than giving it 24V 😄

[quaint dome]

Or 220V!

[spark sage]

😄

where is "!" on a querty?

I live in Germany...damn qwertz

^^^qwerty?

over the 1

[quaint dome]

I'm from Germany, too, so I can't recall 😅

[spark sage]

ok...

[wispy wharf]

shift + 1

[spark sage]

default user?

[wispy wharf]

FTR there are mobile usb battery banks that can output 2.5V

just not the cheap ones

[spark sage]

I'm gonna run it off a USB on my router. That sufficed...until I got all crazy with USB boot

but now it's asking for a login/password

[quaint dome]

@wispy wharf hope you mean 2.5A

[wispy wharf]

yeah 2.5A

[quaint dome]

2.5 V is half of USB, so not enough for anything.

[wispy wharf]

brain fart

[quaint dome]

Just one letter, that happens.

[clever mortar]

So, a Pi can run on about 1A, as long as you're not using USB and not pushing the Pi hard

Roughly half the 2.5A is for USB, half for the Pi itself

[quaint dome]

And the Pi is not running a lot of periphery

[spark sage]

dammit

qwerty not qwertz

[clever mortar]

Yeah, no USB at all if you need to stay within 1A

[spark sage]

ok...so. I'll likely be back with more questions in 10 minutes

[quaint dome]

We are here. Probably.

[spark sage]

😄

installing python packages now

and tadaa... starting hass 😄

thanks again guys!!

[pure vine]

Im going to start calling Free software(the FSF definition of free software) freed/liberated software

[tough igloo]

Anyone used the weather.com API? I’m trying to get pollen info for where I live in Australia

[quiet cobalt]

What's everyone doing so far in the new year. Lol

[foggy flint]

Too much 😄

[dry cairn]

https://i.imgur.com/9fDNCaO.gifv

[frail oak]

@foggy flint is that whit cables for home automation like to lock the door by using rfid? like what he did https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENMul9eAB00

[foggy flint]

@frail oak 😄 Which one? Yeah each switch outlet has ethernet cables for integrating nextion touch display. Nothing that controls the door but will probably get a idlock or something similar.

Extra extra ethernet for sensors and camera over PoE too

[frail oak]

nice if i buy a house for my self no outlet wil be a normal one XD

[foggy flint]

👍

I can't wait to start working out the logic of this house in home assistant 😄

I'll probably be all grey-haired by the end of 2019

[proven spruce]

logic is the hardest part

[wispy wharf]

nah paying for all the devices is the hardest part

logic is just trial/error

[reef rune]

My LifX Light Bulb messed up today.

When I woke up, it said "Firmware Update Available"

So I tried to install it (Like anyone else...)

Fuckin crashed and had to wait a few hours till school was over then I had to reset it twice.

Now it's finally back connected.

[unreal orbit]

I think in this community the first reaction to "firmware update available" is to check the comments on the release to see if it broke people's shit before updating.

[reef rune]

It's a light bulb, not much besides not working can happen.

Or overheating or something.

[wispy wharf]

yeah but if your lights stop working you will upset everyone else that lives in the house

[spark sage]

hi guys. Dumb question. I'm on a mac, accessing a rPi installation of HA.
Nano sucks (terminal text file editor).
Is is possible to open my config files in Komodo on my mac? Or is there a text file editor that I could install on Raspbian, that would suck less?
Any clues or hints are greatly appreciated. 😃

[dapper bluff]

Depends how much of a learning curve you want

vi 😉

[spark sage]

as small as possible

xD

[dapper bluff]

What don't you like about nano?

[spark sage]

I'm still processing all of the terminal commands in 3 different OS's. I'm hoping to move away from the terminal eventually

...the whole terminal part. I enjoy code formatting. I guess I've been spoiled by notepad++ and my day job.
I did some machine coding at Uni...but I really prefer higher level languages and coding.

not to mention <tab>, cmd s, etc etc etc

[wispy wharf]

@spark sage if you set up an FTP on the rPi you can just use whatever editor on the mac

thats how I have it set up Just connect to the server via FTP and use notepad++ to edit them

(note I'm running docker on a real server not a rPi)

but the concept should still work. You might have to ssh in and fix permissions through

[clever mortar]

Samba, file share, job done 😉

[wispy wharf]

^^ same concept

[clever mortar]

Depending on how you tackle it, you might need to change the access permissions of the files - but you don't have to

It's easy to add a homeassistant user to Samba, and give it a password there only, so you can connect to the share as homeassistant

[spark sage]

I set up samba on my windows pc...but that's like 40 feet away in my office. xD

[boreal acorn]

Atom? I use it on my mac and love it.

[clever mortar]

You set Samba up on the Pi, not the PC 😛

[boreal acorn]

I know you're using raspbian but if you switch to hass.io ever, look into the IDE addon. I really like it.

[spark sage]

my 'couch machine' is a macbook air. I love the hardware, but the software is sometimes a pita. Although, I have to say ...I'm getting used to it. I only ever used it (and bought it) for iMovie.
Oh how I miss NP++ tho

I'm gonna stick with raspbian...I like having the option of utilizing the pi for other stuff (as long as HA isn't burning up resources).

[boreal acorn]

I highly suggest Atom then. Very similar to NP++. https://atom.io/

[wet pilot]

atom/sublime seem to be the go-tos for macs

or vscode, but that might be a bit much for what you're trying to do

[spark sage]

+1 for atom then! I'll check into it. Many thanks. At heart I'm just a windows-guy, I think....but damn, I went back to my samsung powerbook yesterday for the first time in 2 weeks and it seems so ...clunky and I dunno- I likened it to the difference between driving a bmw and a kia. The mac air just feels more...solid, quality, luxury. The housing, the key action, etc and don't get me started on battery

[wet pilot]

throw linux on it 😄

[spark sage]

XD

I'm not gonna get all that crazy...I'm just adjusting to macos. 😂

[boreal acorn]

I'm not sure where to ask this, so I figure I'd ask... where to ask this question... here.
I am looking to take an open source docker container someone made, strip it of certain functions, replace it's current output to be HASS triggers, and make a custom addon for personal use.
The problem is, I have never coded with Python.
Does anyone have a good resource for learning Python? Preferably for dummies?
I have searched a bunch but there seems to be way too many tutorials that it's hard to choose the right one.
This may seem like a hilarious question to ask, but I've always wanted to learn some Python and figured that the above project would be a great way to practice while I learn.
Thanks!

[wet pilot]

lots of people like udemy (paid), i've used codeacademy (freemium) and was ok with it

[boreal acorn]

nice. thanks!

[spark sage]

ooooooh...I like Atom already. 😄

[wet pilot]

now that M$ owns GitHub i wonder what's going to happen with Atom...

[spark sage]

@boreal acorn or @wet pilot
I have Atom now, and I'm trying to set up sftp... how can I navigate to /home/homassistant/.homeassistant to set the config file for a new project?

[boreal acorn]

I use samba instead of sftp

did you set up samba on the pi?

[spark sage]

yap

Atom package?

[wet pilot]

shouldn't need a package. Just open the file from the samba share

[spark sage]

in finder?

[boreal acorn]

yup

[spark sage]

hmm

I only get access to pi and homepi

let's pretend that I'm a total dolt. 😄

[boreal acorn]

😉

[spark sage]

it shouldn't be a stretch

[boreal acorn]

I'm not sure exactly where it would be on hassbian as i'm using hassio

is there a config folder in any of those directories?

[spark sage]

negative

both empty

...like the share isn't set up for /home/homassistant/.homeassistant

[boreal acorn]

how did you install samba?

[spark sage]

damn...do I need to set up a share for /home/homassistant/.homeassistant?

on a windows machine

I thought pi would be = root

[boreal acorn]

sudo hassbian-config install samba

https://joshmccarty.com/setting-up-a-samba-share-to-edit-home-assistant-configuration-files/

[spark sage]

I'm not getting it...

I'm close to giving up for today...🤔

[nocturne snow]

Thoughts on smart light switches, I have an uneducated feeling I don't want wifi switches

[clever mortar]

Smart switches > smart bulbs

Beyond that, WiFi, Z-Wave,Zigbee... 🤷

[wispy wharf]

Smart Switch > Smart Bulb (with the execption of wanting color)
Z-wave > Zigbee > Wifi
IMO

[clever mortar]

Zigbee is cheaper, but Z-Wave is a fully interoperable standard, and also doesn't use the same frequency range as 2.4 GHz WiFi

[wispy wharf]

yeah if zigbee support was better I'd put them on the same footing

through from reading pull requests there should be some big changes coming to ZHA soon to make more things work

[clever mortar]

Zigbee2MQTT looks pretty good too

[wispy wharf]

yeah I have smartthings2MQTT working to cover them right now

[spark sage]

@dusty surge thanks for letting me bounce ideas...
My gut was right. The share in smb.conf was set up for pi...but no entry for HA. I avoided all of the hassbian stuff, but added a block for HA. Now it's visible in samba as well as Atom. 🤦

and wow...that's love, right there.

I like Atom.

[wet pilot]

😄

pick up a yaml linter plugin and you'll be even happier

[amber bramble]

ubiquiti just announced a new line of ip cameras

[spark sage]

I was just looking for one

yamllint.com sucks

[amber bramble]

looks like the existing unifi video cameras but under a different name

[wet pilot]

interesting

hopefully they don't break their API 😛

[spark sage]

@wet pilot recommendations for a yaml plugin?
I'm hoping for a 'pretty printer' kind of deal. Key shortcut to fix my whitespace flubs....

[wispy wharf]

speaking of yaml plugins anyone have a good one for notepad++ it keeps trying to put tabs in when I edit the file (I have view spaces on so I can see them)

[wet pilot]

@spark sage unfortunately, i haven't tried yaml in atom. I use pycharm (since i already had it installed for python dev work)

[spark sage]

k

there is one that stands out...97000 DL's as opposed to the rest which all have around 2-4000.

I'm gonna pretend to be a lemming

[wet pilot]

haha

[spark sage]

thx again.

[wet pilot]

anytime

[nocturne snow]

I definitely understand why switches are better than bulbs I learned that the hard way the other day when my wife turned off lamp I plan on using switches we're needed and outlets for lamps I just didn't want to use a whole lot of Wi-Fi devices but again I don't know why I feel that way maybe because if the Wi-Fi is down for some reason and things won't work I don't know I'm still new at this sorry just trying get a better understanding thanks

[clever mortar]

There's no real wrong or right answer to that

[wet pilot]

the wifi network can only run as fast as the slowest device and some of these wifi "things" are slooooooooooow

[clever mortar]

Well, not using WiFi is generally accepted to be more right, but... 🤷

There's also a cost and availability factor, where the "better" solution may not be available, or may not be affordable

Or that cheap solution may be cheap because it's not great

The great thing about Home Assistant is that you can try out many things, until you hit the one that's right for you

[barren hound]

Lutron RadioRA2, and Insteon are up there with Z-Wave, as well, but more expensive

[wet pilot]

but oh so pretty

[barren hound]

if i had unlimited money, i'd probably go all lutron

[clever mortar]

If I had unlimited money, I'd get the house stripped back to the structure and run wired smart switches, sensors, etc

[wet pilot]

• cat6, a dash of fiber and i'm there too

[barren hound]

I'm just putting smurf tube everywhere

that way it doesn't matter

Cat6 today, fiber tomorrow, superconductive floss the day after.

since my house currently looks like this:

[light trout]

Not much to automate there 😜

[barren hound]

i also have 2x 2" conduit running from the house up to the telephone pole/fence in front

that way att/comcast don't try drilling holes in my wall

and i can hardwire sensors to the mailbox/package drop

[wispy wharf]

Yeah conduit is best

Also have them use the most wires possible for the HVAC to save you headaches later

[barren hound]

yep

and it'll be in smurf tube, too

i think the most i've seen is 10 strand

[wispy wharf]

Having to add a wow so I can use a new thermostat

[barren hound]

wow?

[wispy wharf]

Wire stupid phone

[unreal orbit]

I think they prefer to be called "differently abled" phones

[heavy sand]

anyone have a good way to setup TP-link Kasa lights to do disco or play towards music?

[wet pilot]

@green inlet what a weird match. Caps @ boston

[green inlet]

Hmmmm......college football is over.....that means so is sports for me lmao.

[wet pilot]

Heh I might be crossing you with someone else who's a hockey fan

[green inlet]

Only hookers and booze till next year starts 😂

[wet pilot]

Lol

[green inlet]

My wife just slapped me

[vale shale]

Lol I don't really care about football but I do care about hockey!

[wet pilot]

#ALLCAPS

[vale shale]

#ALLPREDS

Lol we will have to see on 1/15!

[wet pilot]

That'll be a good fight

[vale shale]

Didn't we beat you guys new years eve? 6-3 😛

[wet pilot]

I think we always lose to you

[vale shale]

lol it's ok. It's really frustrating because we hardly ever shoot but when we do we can't score.

I'm not a huge preds fan, just watch a few of their games.

[wet pilot]

Haha yup, the preds are 14-9-1 all time vs the caps

[vale shale]

Can't believe that we lost the past few Stanley cups though.

[wet pilot]

Eh, you're still a relatively new team

You've been farther than Columbus ever has 😀

[vale shale]

We were really close.

[wet pilot]

CBJ has never been past the first round

[vale shale]

Have you ever been to a Caps game?

[wet pilot]

A couple, I don't live in the DC area anymore though

[vale shale]

I've only been to one Preds game, live too far away too.

Do you watch much soccer?

[wet pilot]

And tickets are stupid expensive

[vale shale]

Agreed!

[wet pilot]

Not much, I get too annoyed at players trying to play the refs instead of playing the game

[vale shale]

They tend to do that a lot.

[wet pilot]

Taking too many damn penalties

[vale shale]

Lol we are now tied. Our game is pretty rough.

[wet pilot]

Yep, 2all for mine off of a ppg for Boston

[vale shale]

Ouch

I hate it when the refs are the deciding factor for games

Don't get me wrong, penalties should be called but one trash call and the game changes completely.

[wet pilot]

There have been a few

But the caps are up again 69 (nice) seconds later

[vale shale]

If there is anything that I love, it has to be overtime 3v3.

[wet pilot]

Agreed

They should get rid of the turkey shoot

[vale shale]

Dang Rinne is carrying us.

[wet pilot]

Isn't that always? 😂

[vale shale]

Ehh only most of the time 😉

He's great all of the regular season. Just not in the Cup games.

[wet pilot]

Yeah, that's a pain

Holtby was like that and then he flipped it

[vale shale]

Ugh back to losing, 1-2.

nvmd 1-3 😐

[wet pilot]

Woah

[vale shale]

only 6:20 left I don't think that we can pull it off.

How much longer in yours?

[wet pilot]

~7m

[vale shale]

Wow I take it back! They just tied it 3-3!

[green inlet]

Looks like @vale shale was the hockey fan

[vale shale]

I haven't talked to @wet pilot about it before...

[green inlet]

🤫

[wet pilot]

There was another guy who used to be in here. I'm not seeing him now though

[vale shale]

What was his name?

[wet pilot]

PaulM

[vale shale]

ah I had seen him before

Never knew he like hockey though.

[wet pilot]

He wrote a custom component for next game

[green inlet]

Are the lightning any good?

[wet pilot]

#1 overall right now I think

[green inlet]

Damn

[vale shale]

Yeah they gave us some trouble

[wet pilot]

Yeah they're scary

[green inlet]

And from Tampa

[wet pilot]

Yup

[vale shale]

They're number 1 in Atlantic (Lightning) Preds are 1st in Central

[green inlet]

I have been to a couple of their games. Hockey is by far the best sport to watch in person

[vale shale]

Ohh I never saw Capitals #1 in Metropolitan

[wet pilot]

Yep, been chilling there for a while

[green inlet]

Night night kids

[wet pilot]

Gnite

[vale shale]

oh boy 3-3 style

[wet pilot]

Ovi with the empty net from the caps zone

2 goals for him tonight

~140ft

[vale shale]

Fancy

[wet pilot]

Heh kuzy missed

Net is still empty, ovi going for the hatty

[vale shale]

How much longer? Google can

't keep up.

[wet pilot]

28s

[vale shale]

NO! power play for Colombus

[wet pilot]

Hah

You hear about their goalie?

[vale shale]

sigh you'd think they would know better.

Colombus?

[wet pilot]

Gsme

Yeah

4-2 caps over Boston

[vale shale]

Didn't hear.

[wet pilot]

He's been suspended by CBJ and they won't say why

[vale shale]

Ugh we lost.

[wet pilot]

Lame

[vale shale]

Huh reading about their goalie. That's weird.

[wet pilot]

Right?

And their coach never has "no comment"

[vale shale]

kinda fishy

[wet pilot]

Yeah, he's probably leaving

[vale shale]

Could be true, it says he failed to meet their expectations. Whatever that's supposed to mean.

[wet pilot]

Doesn't look good for his value if you're trying to sell him off though

[vale shale]

Too late for that anyway right?

[wet pilot]

I think Dallas and Ottawa are rubbing off on them

Nah, deadline is in Feb I think

[vale shale]

Ahh.

[wet pilot]

We get CBJ on Saturday, we'll try to get them for you 😋

[vale shale]

Please do!

[young sigil]

Forum's down again.

[wet pilot]

Looks like the status checker isn't responding either 😀

[orchid rose]

how can I stop Google Home from saying nice things to me every time I say "thanks"? I hate when people are nice to me and even more when appliances are...

[honest geode]

Bought a house! Now it's time to buy all the equipment 😄

[low harness]

Congratulations!

[honest geode]

Thanks! Became a bit more expensive than planned, but I think it's worth it 😃

[mighty summit]

if a house isn't over budget, then something is wrong.

[honest geode]

@mighty summit I definitely don't want to go over budget 😃 will put too much pressure on our economy

[spark sage]

Hi guys...I'm just listening to the HA State of the Union in the office waiting for the weekend, and I was struck by Paulus' "2nd commandment" - don't be a dick.
I've been a tech freak for about 10 years, but recently I've delved into HA. I just wanted to thank the guys who I've interacted with here...for not being dicks. XDA is kinda a hostile environment toward noobs sometimes, but the feeling here is different.
Thanks for not being dicks.

[clever mortar]

Clearly you haven't experienced all of this community 😛

But, thank you. We try

[dull chasm]

Depends on what side of the bed the old man wakes up on

[dry cairn]

cmon @dull chasm ppl trying to sleep

[dull chasm]

sorry 😦 @dry cairn

[dry cairn]

now... back to your corner

🤣

[dull chasm]

ok

[dry cairn]

now here i was thinking i was on my cellphone .......discord added these crappy gif's that google removed from their messenger

[dull chasm]

we are doing important work me @clever mortar and @light trout

[clever mortar]

Work? I'm in the pub, at a "working lunch"

[dull chasm]

well its heavy right 12 oz or so

[dry cairn]

i'm about to head to starsucks

[tidal bronze]

Starbucks?

[dry cairn]

yup

[dull chasm]

snowflake ^^^^^

[proven spruce]

oh i thought it was an alternate chain of stores where coffee is always bad

[dry cairn]

well their coffee is bad ....

[tidal bronze]

Oh you go for the decor?

[dry cairn]

i'm going there for the balloons

[proven spruce]

fair enough

never been myself

[dull chasm]

been once ... $7 cup of coffee ...i told them to keep it

[dry cairn]

the decor in ours is usually 2 hands full

[proven spruce]

us europeans have higher coffee standards (and way smaller coffee cups)

[dull chasm]

🤔

[tidal bronze]

🤔

[dry cairn]

🤔

[mighty summit]

🤔

[dry cairn]

you sir have just made it on nixons list

[honest geode]

Brew your own coffee!

I can recommend the Sage Oracle, a bit expensive but compared to $7+ meh-coffee from $tarbuck$ ..

[dull chasm]

NOPE Best ever

[light trout]

false

best ever

[dull chasm]

well diff catogory .....both have there place one after the other

[honest geode]

Well, Vasiley, they are not the same kind of coffee 😃

[low harness]

Please...

[clever mortar]

Hell yeah

I have had one of those for "some time" now - they rock

I'm on the third rubber seal, and need to order a fourth 😃 It gets well used

[mighty summit]

https://www.philips.be/c-p/RI9826_01/talea-volautomatische-espressomachine
these are great for #diy-archived ... people sell them to get rid of, because they didn't maintein them properly. But they are sooo easy to teardown - fix - reassemble.

https://images.philips.com/is/image/PhilipsConsumer/RI9826_01-IMS-nl_BE?wid=494&hei=435&$pnglarge$

[amber bramble]

coffee is terrible

sweet tea for life

[wet pilot]

booo

coffee is life

[clever mortar]

Tea, I'd agree with, but sweat tea?

[tidal bronze]

@dry cairn look what you started with your Starbucks run. Exactly @clever mortar

[clever mortar]

And by tea, I don't mean 🍵

[tidal bronze]

No green stuff lol

PG tips all day

[midnight adder]

On an off note from coffee ☕️ and tea 🍵 is there a chat for hardware or are we using #diy-archived

[vale shale]

Usually it is #diy-archived

[clever mortar]

Or #330944238910963714 if it's general "for HA" chat

[vale shale]

There is also an esphomelib server too if there isn't any help here.

[midnight adder]

I just have question about my wiring diagram. When I get it I’ll post it. Will you pm that link to server

[vale shale]

Sure give me a sec

[distant stream]

Are there any Home Assistant Discord bots?

ie query sensor from channel?

[clever mortar]

Not as such, no, there's just a notification bot https://www.home-assistant.io/components/notify.discord/

[distant stream]

Yeah I saw that. Keep meaning to set it up to stop using IFTTT

Maybe Ill whip something up in a week or two when I am off

[shy comet]

i started switching to the discord bot myself, I wish it would be more like a bot so we can have it react to messages 😃

[distant stream]

0.85.0 formatted a bunch of my sensors differently

well shti they did have dashes

i would have swore i removed everything with a dash

[thick halo]

Hi. is xiaomi "smart home" devices is good enough for "smart home" . Thanks , Refael

[clever mortar]

In general, "yes", depending on what you're budget is, what your goals are, and so on

But, that's like asking if a Ford is good enough to drive 😉

[thick halo]

Thanks. what i mean is, is it function properly in HOME ASSISTANT ...

[clever mortar]

~components

Have you checked the components list?

[velvet horizon]

For a complete list of available components, please visit: https://home-assistant.io/components/

[thick halo]

yes. but i dont to buy it and then understand that its does not integrate well with HS

[clever mortar]

If there's a component, it integrates - and there's a component

More to the point, there are other ways of integrating them - zigbee2mqtt, deconz, and more

[thick halo]

Tinkerer. Thatnks

[frigid comet]

Can you use Xiaomi stuff directly with ConBee or do you need the Xiaomi hub?

[clever mortar]

Well, you mean deconz 😉

https://www.home-assistant.io/components/deconz/#supported-devices

[frigid comet]

well, actually my question was regarding the hardware (Conbee stick), but sure, from a HA perspective you are correct.

so, do you know if I can use deCONZ with Conbee stick and Xiaomi devices or do I need the hub?

[clever mortar]

Did you look at the link?

[frigid comet]

yep. but I might not understand it 😃

[clever mortar]

The answer is which device according to that 😉

[tall escarp]

@frigid comet you can use Xiaomi devices wiry deconz yes

As long as they talk zigbee

[frigid comet]

ok, thanks.

[clever mortar]

At a radio layer, Zigbee is all compatible - it's just whether they can really communicate

[frigid comet]

aliexpress always specify "you need the Xiaomi hub, it won't work without it". That's why I wanted to hear from someone who actually tried it. But I guess they just want to sell more 😃

I use deCNZ with Trådfri today and it works great, and I avoid more hubs if I can

[tall escarp]

@clever mortar to clarify deconz supports most if not all Xiaomi zigbee devices. They have updated some hardware info that is on its way to get support as well

@frigid comet it's because Xiaomi as a manufacturer only supports their own hub

[clever mortar]

In other words, Xiaomi are the same as almost all Zigbee vendors?

[tall escarp]

Mm 😃

[frigid comet]

So far, my experience is "compatible" and "fully working" not really the same with in Zigbee and even more in Z-wave

My fibaro z-wave switches, dimmers and stuff work so much more reliable with Home Center Lite than the Z-stick and HAs Z-wave. I adore @midnight adder for his fibaro component

[clever mortar]

OZW "has issues"

Which I think is an understatement like saying that a metal foundry is "a bit warm"

[frigid comet]

yeah. and I think that's fine. HA is amazing, but you can't be perfect all the time

[clever mortar]

Roadmap has it being replaced this year 🙏

[midnight adder]

The Xiaomi gateway is very reliable, IMHO. Plugging in a zigbee stick is much worse, it crashed hourly for me

So I prefer integrating hubs

[frigid comet]

Ok, my Conbee/deCONZ has never given up on me (so far)

[midnight adder]

Wow

[frigid comet]

Previously, I liked the idea for HA to be "Internet, LAN & WiFi independent" but the more stuff I integrate, I tend to go towards securing the environment instead. All switches, APs and hubs are on UPS now and none of them rely on Internet. So the alarm and core stuff (and Internet also) will work even there is a power outage.

So in a month or so, I probably have a Xiaomi och Hue hub as well 😃

[frigid comet]

I'm looking for a reliable, light sensor that sends the light level very often, like every minute. My z-wave motion and door sensors only send every 30 minutes to save battery and can't be configured to send more often.
So: I'm looking for a externally powered sensor that sends current light at least every minute and compatible with HA (Zigbee, Z-wave, MQTT, ...) . Any tips?

[clever mortar]

Aeotec USB powered Z-Wave multi-sensor 😉

[tall escarp]

Deconz has been very reliable to me ever since I migrated all of my stuff early last year

@clever mortar i don't like that sensor at all. Worked really portly for me

[clever mortar]

Mine's been fine

It's not fat at all 😛

The motion sensor part doesn't work, but that's because the back is broken, so it doesn't press the tamper sensor

[frigid comet]

Trying to read the specs. It seems the recommendation is once per minute maximum, sounds great.
I want it for light control. Using sun/elevation don't work reliably in Swedish winter when it's just dark, darker or really dark..

@tall escarp Didn't work well for you? Not reliable or what?

[wet pilot]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/01/google-kills-the-chromecast-audio/ RIP

[clever mortar]

😦

[light trout]

Mine are worse @dull chasm , borderlined off topic for froned so told ya here 😛

[dull chasm]

i seriosly doubt that

[tall escarp]

@frigid comet I'm Swedish as well. I use hue motion sensor for lux

[frigid comet]

aha - does it send often? If it suddenly gets cloudy, I want to adjust the lights a little, so it needs to be at least every five minutes, but preferably even more often

[wispy wharf]

damn it I hadn't read that article about the chromecast audios I was just thinking of getting some

[frigid comet]

go get one before it's to late

I love mine

[wet pilot]

i have one now, might pick up one or two as spares

[wispy wharf]

I don't currently have a real use case for them. I have a few sonos speakers (brother used to work for them so got them as gifts) so I can do audio in most of my rooms so it would be more for this would be nice in the future and already getting complaints from the wife about having too much stuff

[wet pilot]

i used one to bring my Home Theater system into the fold

[frigid comet]

for anyone with old but classy hi-fi stuff they are life savers.

[midnight adder]

would someone tell me how to restart hass from command line after following the guide to install it in a python virtual env?

[wispy wharf]

yeah I'm just not there. I don't have any audio equipment in use that isn't already connected to the cloud.

[clever mortar]

@midnight adder "the guide"? Which guide?

Both manual guides leave configuring a startup service up to you

So, depends on which startup service you configured 😉

[distant stream]

Oh man. I disabled the Kodi websocket because reboots break it in HA. Hadnt looked at my media channel in about 2 days. Every poll was spamming my channel with what was playing lol

[midnight adder]

oh i see. thanks, gotta keep reading 😛

[merry hearth]

can we ask non homeasssitant questions here?

[unreal orbit]

"For chat around things that aren't Home Assistant related..."

seems like it

[merry hearth]

ah ok

i found this:
https://github.com/OmerTu/GoogleHomeKodi/blob/master/README.md#troubleshooting

which way is best for me? im using ubuntu + home assistant with NGINGX on virtual envroirement

id like to know if option A B or C would fit best, i prefer to skip option A

cause it expose my kodi instance to internet

[vale shale]

I am chaperoning on a roadtrip for a bunch of boys from my church. How many gigs do you think they will use from my free WiFi hotspot?

[clever mortar]

All of it

[vale shale]

It’s unlimited 😛

But they’re still going to use “all of it” 😆

[oblique tide]

Boa noite.

[dry cairn]

they will hit your unlimited limit

[oblique tide]

ssl.SSLError: [SSL: NO_SHARED_CIPHER] no shared cipher (_ssl.c:841) alguém sabe como resolver?

[mild cloak]

@vale shale thanks for the Life360 recommendation yesterday. It works perfectly for a driving presence automation I was working on and is one of the fastest/most reliable location presence that I've tried so far.

[vale shale]

You’re welcome! That’s why I use it for everything.

They’re up to 12 GB for 2 hours so far!

[mild cloak]

Yeah will be able to easily write a bunch of automations i always wanted to do now with all the attributes it reports. One of them being a tts telling me if I'm at home but not on WiFi, among a bunch of other ideas. Very useful (custom)component.

[vale shale]

If you need any ideas for automations for using Life360 let me know. Example, if you want to know only if someone is home or away not moving, driving, etc. just make a sensor that if the device tracker says home, it is home. If it says anything else, it is not home.

[mild cloak]

Thanks for the tip, will be fun to play with this stuff.

[vale shale]

It’s amazing! I wish more people would try it.

And no problem!

[cerulean totem]

anyone running cast-web-api ?

https://vervallsweg.github.io/cast-web/installation-cast-web-api/

[inland path]

are the forums down again?

[wet pilot]

#status

[dry cairn]

maybe we should get a bot that checks if forum is actually up and notified us when it is up .....gonna be nice and quiet for teh most part

[last cradle]

lol

[mighty summit]

my laptop fan has died, and i'm waiting for a replacement...
https://imgur.com/a/vp0O5pK

🤷

[clever mortar]

Belongs in https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupportgore 😉

[mighty summit]

thought you were gonna send me to #diy-archived

😋

[clever mortar]

🤣

[dull chasm]

I think thats a perfectly acceptable solution

and cools better

[mighty summit]

for sure

not very neat tho

[dull chasm]

so when are nerds/geeks neat

[mighty summit]

stop enabling us

[dull chasm]

now you got room for a proper video card https://youtu.be/_3iHV0NvLPI

[mighty summit]

🔫

[dull chasm]

video card and ac all in one

[mighty summit]

btw, the fan is powered through 12v adaptor which is in a wemo ... 🤔

there's gotta be a project in that

[idle coyote]

I'd like to ask a stupid HA question. Is there any reason to buy a Homey if you're gonna run Home Assistant with a way cheaper Aeotec 5 usb dongle thing?

[clever mortar]

Technically off topic in this channel 😛

HA's Z-Wave support though is through OpenZWave, and isn't great

If Homey has good Z-Wave support, it might be less painful

[idle coyote]

wow I had no idea that would play a factor.... I thought stuff either did it, or it didn't. Also, sorry about the OT. Where should I take this? I dunno if I'm gonna use Hassio or HA yet 😃 so it seemed... general :/ Apologies

[clever mortar]

Channel topics tell you what's on topic where 😉

Strictly, questions about Z-Wave go in #zwave-archived