Yeah, so did I - an hour or more to the nearest city
#the-water-cooler
clever mortar
tepid skiff
@jagged mantle its only a barrier if you make it one
clever mortar
If you've got budget, then you can be lazy. If you have no budget then you have to put the effort in to make it work
Sure, if the nearest town is 4 or more hours away, that's not so easy, but up to then...
Also, I'd be shocked if you're the only geek in the area.
jagged mantle
i think ill just ask around until i find one but i think the tablet i have right now is back from its grave
its like 30 min on bike
and 10 in a car
clever mortar
Is that all?
jagged mantle
yeah
clever mortar
Then get off your backside and go ๐
jagged mantle
im just a lazy nerd
tepid skiff
put down the xbox controller and go outside :p
clever mortar
So was I, and I walked that kind of distance to get to the bus to get to town
tepid skiff
ha. at least youre honest about it
jagged mantle
yeah
clever mortar
The only way you'll make this work is putting the effort in I'm afraid
jagged mantle
ill see what i do, next goal is to get mom and dad to let me put up a tablet on the wall
rancid lance
hehe
stray needle
Oh man, @slim vortex in the house!
slim vortex
Yo
stray needle
Got my stickers the other day. The gold looks sweet
slim vortex
๐๐ป
If you want specific designs let me know. We got a Cricut machine so I can make stickers or iron ons.
midnight adder
Hmm
Well this is the 3D printer I set up. Set up two of them for a local school https://www.amazon.com/Zortrax-M200-3D-Printer/dp/B00PIVE20U/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1534212601&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=zortrax+m200+3d+printer&psc=1
Jesus does the quality take a dive
$1500 vs $250
Still... it is servicable
midnight adder
Servicable enough to make a housing for my future Raspberry Pi Home Assistant server! ๐
NOPE not tonight!
It's like 12:02 midnight. The top half will have to wait
midnight adder
Y thou
jagged mantle
can some people tell what cool stuff they done with appdaemon?
light trout
https://github.com/isabellaalstrom/HomeAssistantConfiguration/tree/master/appdaemon/apps <--- @drowsy finch has a good selection of apps
low harness
I only just "discovered" appdaemon yesterday, so I've started out lightly with a system to keep track of whether it's night, morning, day or evening.
Much more simple and robust than my previous template sensor based version...
jagged mantle
Im going to start learning appdeamon today, is it hard?
low harness
@broken junco has some nice ones too: https://github.com/helto4real/hassio/tree/master/appdaemon
Not really, if you know a bit of python
jagged mantle
I've played a bit with python before but I think it is sort of complicated but the weird thing is that I find c# easy but python should be the easy one
I like the easy bits with like if and the simpler thing but the rest gets complicated fast
jagged mantle
well i just cracked the glass in the tablet i talked about yesterday, any ideas how to hide the cracks, its an old rebranded pipo s2
low harness
A decorative sticker?
jagged mantle
all over the screen?
rancid lance
Kernel 4.18 is a lighter release with about 100k fewer lines than 4.17.
The major changes that have arrived pertain to the improved AMDGPU support and complete Raspberry Pi 3B and 3B+ support. Thereโs an initial support for Vega M graphics and Intel Ice Lake Gen 11 graphics as well.
looks like better functionality for rpi users in the future ๐
lol
(cr)apple
low harness
I accidentally bought a subscription to an app the other day.
It had somehow gotten to the buy screen while in my pocket, and when I picked the phone up, I put my thumb on the fingerprint sensor...
jagged mantle
how did you manage to do that
dry cairn
ah seems apple is not only getting their pricing from the sheriff of nottingham now they also getting into the scam business
low harness
My lock screen button is getting pretty worn out, so my phone does all sorts of weird things in my pocket nowadays
dry cairn
time to trade for an android
rancid lance
hey not every company is a billion dollar company without a little scamming
just take the 6s battery flop
apple didnt wanna admit to the batch being faulty in the first place
so alot of customers got fucked over
light trout
same goes for samsung and note 7
rancid lance
indeed
dry cairn
yup
rancid lance
hate samsung with a passion
dry cairn
samsung is going downhill
rancid lance
same shit as apple
dry cairn
they used to be great now they just interested in their junkware and maleware installs
and how they can get the most info out of ppl
its a sad day when you have to put your tv on a vlan with no connection to the internet
dry cairn
yep
i ditched samsung when i got the note5 or so and i got pissed off
so far i been sticking to google phones
rancid lance
ditched all major brands for developer phones with freedoms
dry cairn
samsung has a failure rate of 34% and is at place 1 of the top worst phone makers
followed by zte ๐
if the world wouldn t be full of morons these companies would not be able to do that
install maleware by default and nobody should buy your phone
i'm paying you for the hardware stop installing junk on my shit
you wanna collect my info give me the tv and phone free and pay me a monthly fee
orchid rose
wouldn't it be a bit sad to have a great looking piece of hardware with no software at all on it?
dry cairn
samsung lobbyist ๐
rancid lance
let the user decide what goes on the phone
dry cairn
he likes his junkware
shy comet
the last samsung phone i had was teh first android phone they ever made.......never again
orchid rose
even though I don't have a samsung phone I do like to have an operating system etc preinstalled on a phone ๐
shy comet
monoprice has a new smart home line, not sure if its cloud based though: https://www.monoprice.com/pages/stitch?cl=res&utm_source=180814_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=stitch_hero&utm_campaign=180814_stitch&deliveryName=DM3636
amber bramble
looks wifi based? "With STITCH products, the bridge is already built-in to the products to help easily connect directly with your home wireless network, so save your money, thereโs no need to purchase a separate hub."
but the door sensors look identical to their zwave sensors
shy comet
it also says "direct connect to IFTTT" LOL
pallid nest
Was just coming here to post this. Wouldn't be surprised if it were ESP-based.
amber bramble
I hope they dont get rid of their zwave devices. I have enough clogging up 2.4ghz in my house
rancid lance
shy comet
@amber bramble they need an AP of their own huh? ๐
south dawn
anybody knows if the hue light color pallet is in ha? or is there a way to reproduce it?
i see the there is a effect option, but i'm not sure where it's implemented, so i can write costume patterns
looks simple to write a effect, but i don't see a way of loading it. https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant/blob/master/homeassistant/components/light/hue.py#L326
trail crag
peak cloud
Haven't messed with it, but have heard about it, and 6LoWPAN also.
LoRa is the infrastructure, LoRaWAN is the protocol.
round hare
?rank other
slim rampartBOT
@round hare, you joined Other.
radiant zodiac
that looks pretty awesome.. how did you find out about it?
rancid lance
System76 makes laptops with popos preinstalled on em
been curious for a long time
so figured wtf so im downloading it now
radiant zodiac
I'd never even heard a mention of it
are these ubuntu based? the version number makes it seem so
rancid lance
debian
radiant zodiac
well ubuntu is debian based so much of a muchness ๐
18.04 is more in alignment with ubuntu versioning though
rancid lance
version numbers are unimportant
basically whatever the the dev feels like its supposed to be
radiant zodiac
true.. but I doubt it's a coincidence that the version number exactly matches the current Ubuntu release
radiant zodiac
I guess I'll be setting up dual boot on one of my systems.. sure as hell not buying a third system for linux ๐ (I don't believe I did it to have seperate win/macos systems).. guess I can always shove it in vmware
clever mortar
I SSH to all my *nix systems @rancid lance - don't remember the last time I built a Linux desktop system
For a daily driver, Chromebook FTW
rancid lance
ahh i kinda like to run linux desktops on my laptops
clever mortar
I use a Windows laptop too, but the Chromebook is so much more user friendly
rancid lance
but there are few good chomebook distroes out there
clever mortar
I just run stock, I want my "desktop" to just work and be stable
rancid lance
so far there is only cloudready
radiant zodiac
I just can't go past macos for usability and integration
ios has room for improvement with keyboard support
currently it's app specific.. should be better at the os level
light trout
Since iOS 9 you have the option to use thirdparty keyboards on OS level...
I use google keyboard on my iOS devices
@vast dove My iPad Pro is just glorified Plex media player ๐
radiant zodiac
not what I'm reffering to
ie you can't switch between apps on the ipad when you have two open on the same screen without using touch
light trout
That has nothing to do with keyboard support...
And it is a touch device, what do you expect?
radiant zodiac
apple is trying to market it as a replacement for laptops.. so give it the functionality.. and it has a lot to do with keyboard support, though at a higher more abstracted level than simply supporting keyboards ๐
let's say keyboard integration instead of support then to make it less ambiguous
light trout
Then save yourself a couple of $ and buy a laptop wo/touch
but you can switch between open apps with a keyboard on an iPad without touching the screen, but that feels unnatural
radiant zodiac
I'm referring mainly to this problem... https://daringfireball.net/linked/2018/04/24/ipad-kanies-focus
radiant zodiac
that doesn't work for split screen
radiant zodiac
well obviously only one is active.. but without typing you can't tell which one.. and cmd-tab does not switch you to the other one
instead it switches you to whatever OTHER app you last had open
ie.. not the other one on your split screen
light trout
Have you ever used one?
radiant zodiac
I own one
light trout
How do you not get the two last used apps in split?
radiant zodiac
ios doesn't support it.. unless they added it in the last point revision and I didn't notice
light trout
sell it, buy a cheap computer an case of wine
radiant zodiac
so long as you carry it in front of me when i want to use it and switch apps at my request.. you also have to pour the wine
last plaza
@light trout classic!
radiant zodiac
that looks remarkably like.. Zach Galifianakis?
seems incompatible with the monitor solution
light trout
If you activly look for problems with every product you will not find anything else...
Try to look for opertunities instead, it will make thinks easier for you in the end ๐
And easier for those around you
vast dove
@light trout that goes for life in general as well ๐
radiant zodiac
I never actively look for problems.. they always find me.. this is why I am so good at finding bugs in software
radiant zodiac
I would pay more than I can afford to avoid problems
BRAVO!!
That is a brilliant find
I think he even has a subwoofer?
that might even be a pentium 5
rancid lance
@last plaza thats a proper "laptop"
radiant zodiac
maybe even a crotchtop
last plaza
It is ergonomic, and meticulously designed for balancing the weight with DOLBY DTS sound effects ๐
radiant zodiac
great to hear.. does it have visual studio code installed?
radiant zodiac
because in my opinion that's one of the best editors/ide's currently out there. with a linux version
rancid lance
well u can probly installed it
i like my distroes clean
dont want preinstalled shit
radiant zodiac
oh for sure.. what's the default editor?
it's 2gb ๐ I figured there was a lot preinstalled
clever mortar
Just use vi - you know you want to ๐
rancid lance
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
radiant zodiac
vi sure beats emacs ๐
vale shale
LOL right you are. I barely know how to use it but still agree!
radiant zodiac
yeah that was evident.. I'm eager to see their take on it.. going to do a vm install right now.. download just finished
rancid lance
ships with a 4.14 kernel
amber bramble
speaking of VSCode how is it compared to Atom
radiant zodiac
I prefer it.. but to each their own
amber bramble
I want to like Atom but it just feels slow, klunky, and buggy
especially compared to Notepad++
radiant zodiac
I've not had any performance issues with vscode.. even when i accidentally load multi gigabyte binary files :/
vale shale
I use Atom but I only mess with HA and some other projects so it is not that import for sheer speed for me
radiant zodiac
the install seems very streamlined
rancid lance
ahh nice discord on linux
jagged mantle
someone got some fund ideas to stuff to do with hass, like services i should checkout
rancid lance
depends on what your goal is
jagged mantle
i dont have any goal, just want to make something cool
jagged mantle
and i added life360
rancid lance
automated it etc
jagged mantle
why?
jagged mantle
yeah
rancid lance
no real reason
but its a good way of making something thats not smart into a smart service
vale shale
lol isn't torrenting illegal?
jagged mantle
yeah but its easier beacuse its software and not hardware
@vale shale depends what youre downloading
vale shale
haha
jagged mantle
torrent is just a way of transfering files
vale shale
For the most part Netflix and Amazon have what I need.
rancid lance
dumbest comment around
isnt torrenting illegal
torrenting is just a protocol
downloading copyright material can happen on any system
or on any protocol
clever mortar
And you can grab Linux ISOs and other such things over Torrent
rancid lance
indeed
clever mortar
There are many legitimate uses
rancid lance
faster then http
amber bramble
was just going to mention linux isos
vale shale
I guess that I just assummed that torrents such as sonarr and radarr and all those sketch kodi add ons
I know that there are good torrents
jagged mantle
the typical thought about torrent is bad as it is normally connected with downloading bad things but you can also download normal good stuff ๐
rancid lance
so back to your question about making something for hass
rancid lance
must be something amongst the 1000+ services that you can use and abuse
jagged mantle
*1135
jagged mantle
kewl?
jagged mantle
i dont think we have so much stuff here to make something fun with
rancid lance
kinda boring if you only have telldus and nothing else
jagged mantle
yeah but its the only smart thing in my house
rancid lance
no nas ?
jagged mantle
no
jagged mantle
rpi
rancid lance
dunno how to help you along with projects ๐
jagged mantle
i want to buy some stuff to make it cooler but it stops right at the money end ๐ฆ
orchid rose
not everything is that expensive tbh. Just need to think what is something you could do smarter
jagged mantle
30$ is expensive for me
orchid rose
for that you can already get tons of stuff but I get your point that it does limit things
jagged mantle
im just 14 so i dont have so much money to spend ๐ฆ
light trout
Like I told you days ago, there are a lot of free services you can integrate to HA, if you want physical devices get a paper route ๐
orchid rose
yeah, make one of those old self-playing pianos controlled by hass ๐
jagged mantle
@light trout can really find any fun services
light trout
Then you need to change your defination of "fun" ๐
jagged mantle
looked thru all components but there wasnt really anything i could do with out buying something else
light trout
Then have another look ;)
Probably 30-40% of the platforms (if not more) does not require a physical device or payment
orchid rose
you just probably don't have that much need for home automation yet and it's probably the same for a lot of people. I only have a few smart speakers, Kodi, lights and google home mini that I use
jagged mantle
I only have telldus
orchid rose
maybe just get some other lights. It's cheap and useful way to automate and can be expanded
jagged mantle
Yeah but I also have a mom who don't like it
orchid rose
you don't necessarily have to replace the old ones though. Use some led strips as accent lighting for example
automate them to turn on at different times and see if it's useful for you at all
jagged mantle
Yeah
orchid rose
5m of led strip costs like 5-10 euros and milight controllers are pretty cheap for example. Or you can make your own with esp8266 if you want
clever mortar
https://char.gd/blog/2018/building-better-cheaper-philips-hue-led-strips for building Hue compatible strips on the cheap
jagged mantle
do i need the hua gateway?
orchid rose
If that's too expensive you can get a milight hub for ~$15 which also works with hass but isn't perfect. There's a 1s delay when you turn on/off different light groups for some reason.
or you can make your own milight hub with esp8266 but that's going to be around the same price but with better features
clever mortar
I've got the Yeelights, they're ok but unreliable
orchid rose
I haven't had any reliability issues with the milights at least but the group changing delay is a bit annoying when turning on/off multiple lights at once
jagged mantle
@light trout i just reinstalled hassbian and what would it look like when its installing, will it say anything?
light trout
If you listen carefully you might hear it say "prosessing complete" when it's done
jagged mantle
okay because last time i rebooted beacuse it didnt say anything and the i broked it as you know but now im getting "under voltage detected". what should i do?
im giving it 2 amps
orchid rose
amps != voltage
light trout
Read the docs, and give it at least 2.5
jagged mantle
but i only got a 2 amps charger
jagged mantle
but its the only thing i got
orchid rose
it'll just blow up eventually
jagged mantle
what will blow?
orchid rose
the power supply
orchid rose
still if it's specced at 2.0A I would not even try to run a 2.5A system with it and even if it starts it won't work forever
it's not like the 2.0A on the charger is marked there by accident. That's what the components inside can handle
vale shale
I can imagine that it is hard to get stuff when you are 14!
jagged mantle
but then it only gives 2 amps?
orchid rose
that's not how it works unfortunately
jagged mantle
or is it pushing to 2,5 and thats why it says under voltage detected?
jagged mantle
oh thats not good
orchid rose
you're running rpi on it? The amperage will change depending on how load there is. When at full usage it'll draw the amperage that is says in specs. So most of the time you'd be fine with 2.0A but at high load you won't be
jagged mantle
Is it 2 amps enough for Hass?
orchid rose
I would not risk my life on it
jagged mantle
BTW my rpi is in my bedroom
orchid rose
2.5A is a bit unfortunate as most 5V chargers are 2A...
jagged mantle
the highest i got is 2.1
orchid rose
"Typically, the model B uses between 700-1000mA depending on what peripherals are connected"
so if it doesn't seem to get hot you should be fine I suppose
but the undervoltage warning is concerning
jagged mantle
yeah
orchid rose
maybe try a different 2A charger instead
jagged mantle
i will try
but i need to wait for hass to be installed first
@light trout i still havnt got "prosessing complete"
light trout
๐
jagged mantle
?
light trout
That was a joke :P
Look at the log file for hassbian config ;)
hassbian-config log
jagged mantle
so it dosnt appear by itself?
light trout
like a wild pokemon? then no
light trout
~25 mins ๐
light trout
I god sidetracked with a bug in one of my components ๐
jagged mantle
okay
good that i found it now so i didnt wait a hour or something
or you told me
light trout
At some point you would have tested it, just figuring you didn't hear it ๐
orchid rose
Btw does anyone have the Google Home continuous conversation thing working? I've enabled it but it doesn't seem to do anything
uneven cobalt
I have continued conversations enabled. It works good for me
orchid rose
weird...
maybe it's a location thing as I think I have Canada selected as setting alarms on my JBL didn't work if I had selected the US...
uneven cobalt
I am in Canada but I use US English
orchid rose
why?
uneven cobalt
I use US because it gives you more features then other regions. I don't think continued conversations is rolled out anywhere but the US right now
orchid rose
still it allows me to enable it so that's why I'm not sure if that's the issue
it says both my devices support it... I guess I'll have to try setting it to US but the JBL did have some sort of a bug where it gave an error every time I tried setting an alarm ๐
bit of a problem when 90% of the usage for the kitchen speaker is setting alarms..
uneven cobalt
Youd think if you are seeing the option then it should work but who knows. As far as I'm aware, that feature hasn't been rolled out to other regions yet so it is likely your issue
orchid rose
yeah...
otherwise I'm very happy with it but sometimes it's just annoying to call "hey google" when asking multiple questions in a row. Like when it reads out a recipe for example and after each step you have to use the trigger word...
uneven cobalt
are you trying continued converstation on an actual google home or the JBL? If you are just trying on the JBL that is likely your issue. I think it has to be an official google home device at this time
Even the new smart screens don't support it yet...
uneven cobalt
Ok. I just looked in my settings and at the bottom it says "Continued Conversations is currently available for English (US)." So that is liekly the issue
orchid rose
I guess I'll start testing it out then
uneven cobalt
I don't really understand why a feature like that can't be rolled out to other languages.... I guess they use English US as their beta crew
orchid rose
yeah it's really weird that they geo-block features
and not getting in on my native language (Finnish) at all isn't that great either but I can mostly manage with English
it understands Finnish perfectly so I don't know why I can't set reminders etc unless I use English...
nope, still doesn't work...
no wait it actually does work on my home mini, but not on my JBL
also they've fixed the bug with the JBL it seems and I can set alarms now
uneven cobalt
Im not surprised it doesn't work on the jbl. From my reading it seems to only work on actual google home devices right now
orchid rose
a weird constraint again...
sullen basalt
dull chasm
^^^^^ FAKE NEWS
rancid lance
clever mortar
I'd ask in #330990055533576204 @tiny mesa
Remember to provide some details, like what you last changed ๐
tiny mesa
Just adding some code to the configuration file..
clever mortar
#330990055533576204 ๐
tiny mesa
google fixed me
honest geode
Any suggestions for DIN-mounted hardware that can switch one of several phases, measure power and can dim lights and that can be controlled from HA?
rancid lance
telldus can
honest geode
Gonna have a look, thanks ๐
rancid lance
np
honest geode
Can't find any DIN-mountable stuff tho
@rancid lance Any specific product you know that can be DIN-rail mounted?
rancid lance
kinda missed that you wanted DIN railed just schimmed thru your earlier message
but that device should do what you want
and its z-wave
honest geode
Okay, then it seems like the Fibaro dimmer might be a good option: https://www.vesternet.com/z-wave-fibaro-universal-dimmer-2-250w combined with the DIN adapter
rancid lance
then you can use either a simple usb z-wave apapter
or telldus
to control it all from HA
clever mortar
Vesternet do a bunch of DIN rail adapters for Fibaro modules too
honest geode
They even have RGBW controllers, nice
rancid lance
hope that helped you getting closer to what you wanted ๐
honest geode
But.. doesn't seem like they can measure power
It's a step in the right direction, but I need (or actually just want) to be able to measure power
clever mortar
Some of the Fibaro's certainly can
rancid lance
this distro was freaking awesome
the only thing im missing is the ability to have tray icons
other then that its perfect
honest geode
@clever mortar they can? Their 2.5kW doesn't seem to be able to
honest geode
@clever mortar They can? I must have missed that
clever mortar
Worth a skim or search of the posts in #zwave-archived - general feedback from somebody in the industry is that Fibaro units are solid, and newer Aeotec units are also good
Just for you @honest geode - https://www.vesternet.com/mwdownloads/download/link/id/1690/ page 12
honest geode
I just ran through the "OPERATING MANUAL RELAY SWITCH FGS-212-EN-A-v1.01" and it said nothing about power measurements
clever mortar
That's the older revision/firmware AFAIK
https://manuals.fibaro.com/content/manuals/en/FGS-2x3/FGS-2x3-EN-T-v1.2.pdf is the current manual
honest geode
It's the one they link to here: https://www.vesternet.com/z-wave-fibaro-relay-insert-1-2-5-kw
Gotta be the 10A version
clever mortar
Mind you, you're talking about one device, I'm talking about another, which may not be helping ๐
Ah, didn't see you saying anything about 10A
honest geode
And you would be correct ๐ 10A is standard in houses here
clever mortar
10A for a single feed if it's not a socket seems a bit high ๐
DIN mounted Z-Wave for 10A+ is likely going to be a challenge
honest geode
Common for sockets. I actually think newer regulations allow 13A on a 1.5mm2 copper wire
clever mortar
Ring mains in the UK makes things more complicated
nocturne aspen
If it's meant to dim, then I would assume it's going to be connected to a lightning circuit
So theres no need to worry about ring main
Although if it is a ring main circuit then things are becoming very tricky
Let me know if youll have any problems with that. I'm not a qualified electrician but I have done 5 years of electrical college back in the old days and recently I thoroughly studied part p of British building regs
nocturne aspen
I want to use few Xiaomi Mi Plant sensors to monitor my garden and to set up automatic watering. Unfortunately I cannot find any long range Bluetooth 4.0 adapter which I could use for connectivity in both my front and back gardens
I only found few long range models which are BT2.0 and won't work with Mi Plant and LM1010 adapter which is 4.1 but it's also only available in wholesale B2B but not in retail
What are you guys using for long range bt connectivity ?
clever mortar
Probably you're better off asking in #330944238910963714 where it's on topic ๐
last plaza
@light trout here is a testing quote for you The last bug isn't fixed until the last user is dead.
light trout
I'm not sure that is true :/
One can hope....
last plaza
ok - here is a creative way to blame the developers "If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in." lol
light trout
That sounds more correct ๐
jagged mantle
@wheat lichen what language is you keyboard in?
clever mortar
You can EDIT your posts @wheat lichen
Also, #botspam for that kind of thing ๐
You may find https://github.com/adam-p/markdown-here/wiki/Markdown-Cheatsheet#code useful
wheat lichen
weird... on my iphone i can do that on the mac doesnt work ๐
@jagged mantle portuguese
clever mortar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_keyboard_layout suggests it's the one to the right of * +
<SHIFT> plus that key should get you ```
tiny mesa
anyone around to help with an ssl issue?
clever mortar
Try #330944238910963714 if it's HA related
jagged mantle
do any one have some ideas for things i can do with a speaker receiving tts messages?
amber bramble
make it talk ๐
I actually haven't used TTS for much 'unprompted' stuff other than reading weather alerts
jagged mantle
it already tells when someone comes home and saying goodmorning
amber bramble
have it read off the weather forecast for the day around whatever time you'd normally be getting up and ready for work/school
jagged mantle
thats boring
clever mortar
Then you need to communicate better. Asking for ideas then shooting them down drives people away from helping you.
jagged mantle
okay
amber bramble
create a command line sensor using curl that queries an API for movie quotes and have it announce random movie quotes in the middle of the night, or create a text file with a list of swear words and have it pick a random swear word at random points throughout the day and announce it at full volume
๐
jagged mantle
i dont think my mom would like that
amber bramble
ooooh, even better idea. instead of random movie quotes, i bet there's an API out there that will return random your mom jokes
clever mortar
Have you take the time to browse the forum and all the things people have posted there about what they've done (in general)
rancid lance
have it go berserk at random times thats fun enough just make it set volume to user loud and do random stuff ๐
stuf that doesnt make sense
thats fun ๐
not productive perhaps but fun ๐
shy comet
probably not built for friendship though ๐
peak cloud
Who needs friendship when you have beer?
shy comet
lol
vast dove
@peak cloud ... Who needs friendships when you have wine? ๐
dull chasm
nope wine dont count....
vast dove
Ofc it does
light trout
No
shy comet
lol
vast dove
Wine > Beer any day..
slim tangle
Hey, I'd like to request a little assistance w/ logging in after installing v0.6.0 of Node-RED in Hass.io.
(Wasn't sure if it belonged here or in #node-red-archived. Apologies...)
I tried to make sense of the recent posts in this discussion but haven't had much luck: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/community-hass-io-add-on-node-red/55023/215
light trout
@vast dove Stop whining and have a ๐บ ๐
@slim tangle What exactly do you not understand?
dull chasm
@light trout i second your motion and make it law
slim tangle
Well, I copied my working Config before the upgrade. After the upgrade I pasted it back in and restarted the add-on. No luck. I have my original credential_secret key but nothing I try seems to work...
Oh, hell. It finally kicked in and is working now.
Geez.
light trout
dull chasm
@light trout ๐คฃ
honest geode
Has anyone tried making a current sensor with a microcontroller?
rancid lance
?
isnt that question better suited for #diy-archived ?
or maybe not
is there documentation on the sensor ?
honest geode
@rancid lance Could be ๐ I'm thinking of using OpenMQTTGateway and a simple ADC
snow pond
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gusty relic
morning guys, question for who is online. my setup at the moment is a raspberry pi with hassio on it, next to that i have a udoo x86 setup with ubuntu 18.04 server to test docker. synology nas and also have a nuc laying around somewhere. the goal is:
- have HA running on either the PI as hassio or on the docker container as HA (which one is better?)
- setup plex on either the ubuntu server or on the nuc (which one would be best?)
- run shinobi (I think as a docker container) and write the files to my synology nas (run it as a container or standalone?)
any thoughts on this?
rancid lance
is the udoo any good @gusty relic ?
gusty relic
works like a charm so far
started it up last week since I had it lying arround for a while
install and running went smooth and ubuntu goes easy on it
rancid lance
Been looking at those boards cause they are not arm
How was shipping etc?
Are there cases available for em?
gusty relic
had it at the kickstarter.
rancid lance
Ahh k
gusty relic
cases are few of them (one acrylic and one metal looking like a nuc) else you have to make one yourself
for now I have it in the open and probably do some sketching for printing one day
rancid lance
Thinking of building an open source nas
Instead of buying a nas
And udoo is one of the brands I'm considering
rancid lance
One of these haven't been decided yet
But in leaning towards freenas
Just because zfs
gusty relic
always good to have a solid community as well
think it would do fine with a udoo
set it up with internal ssd for the nas to run itself and attach some bay slots to it
rancid lance
yeah i want my nas to be a bit overpowered cause then i know it can handle stuff
gusty relic
like the 4 screen setup attached to it hehe
rancid lance
cause my current 2 nasesis so limted
my oldest nas has 128mb mem and a super slow single core cpu
and my new nas has dual core atleast
decent speeds 1ghz
512mb ram
but the kernel is ancient
its LTS but still 3.10 sucks donkey ass
gusty relic
i got the synology DS216play
rancid lance
nice
rancid lance
indeed
gusty relic
but want something else for running plex and all
so gonna keep it for storage for some media and the camera footage
rancid lance
bolt and freenas might just be the ticket for that ๐
light trout
@gusty relic There has been reports of Docker not running all that well on 18.04
eager trench
Hmm I just ordered a nuc to run Ubuntu and docker..... is that a bad idea?
eager trench
Hmm...
junior forge
16,04 is really the best option at this point (IMHO)
However, I run 18.04 on my own production system
eager trench
I think most of the stuff Iโve read said 18.04... any specific issues?
Iโm really really new to docker
Is it easy upgrading 16.04 to 18.0x when it works better?
rancid lance
Or just don't run Ubuntu on production machine all my servers run Debian
Far better in terms of stability
eager trench
But from what I have seen Ubuntu seems better supported or recommended for docker..
rancid lance
but its terms of stability for the os debian wins hands down
for long term support
ubutus track record isnt that great when it comes to system upgrades
been using linux for the better part of 10 years
eager trench
So are you using docker on Debian?
rancid lance
yes
on a hp proliant server that i got setup
not for hass
running that on hassbian
rather then docker
rpi is a bit slow for docker
clever mortar
Ubuntu 18.04 has got quite a roasting from the tech community too
eager trench
So on a pi?
Actually i just switched to Raspbian with hassio on docker on a pi 3B and itโs running really well
Much better than hassos
So i should use Debian on my nuc?
And then docker on that with hassio?
rancid lance
use whatever you think its best im just saying that i wouldnt be cought dead running ubuntu as a server
eager trench
Lol
rancid lance
rather shoot myself in the foot before that happens
eager trench
Thatโs not very helpful ๐
clever mortar
Docker adds an overhead, and on a Pi that's quite apparent
Ubuntu pre-18.04 is ok, from 18.04 it's a POS
eager trench
Yeah but Iโm getting a nuc
rancid lance
wouldnt call it a POS running it on desktop
actually some nice things in that
but again its popos
so its not ubuntu thru and thru
light trout
Point Of Sale? ๐
eager trench
So I should look for 16.04 Ubuntu and docker or should I use Debian?
clever mortar
Pretty sure that's been answered already ๐
rancid lance
its not about what others want its what you feel comfy with
i just know that sooner or later the OS is not gonna be supported anymore
and i wouldnt wanna be caught doing a distro upgrade on ubuntu
cause their track record for their system upgrades are horrible
eager trench
I donโt know enough to be comfortable with anything ๐ otherwise i wouldnโt be asking
rancid lance
even more broken then the new auth system
light trout
I would install ESXi on it ๐
rancid lance
.<
rancid lance
on my production server i started on lenny
eager trench
Hahaha
eager trench
Is Debian playing nice with docker?
light trout
yes
light trout
and yes
eager trench
Ok.
clever mortar
Ubuntu, Raspbian, etc etc are all built on Debian
By and large, if it runs on one of those it'll run on Debian
rancid lance
basically they are mods of debian
eager trench
Oh yeah of course. Duh <slaps head>
How easy was it upgrading say Jessie to stretch?
Only asking because the recommended upgrade on Hassbian was to reimagine a new card and copy over configs
light trout
The reason that was recomended is that the upgrade of distro and python took 10+h
eager trench
I did try it on one of my Piโs and it wasnโt a good experience
I ended up reimagine as nothing worked
rancid lance
stilll easy again never ran into issue when updating
there is a reason why there are so many mods of debian
but there is only debian has that stability cause they dont rush an they do proper testing
eager trench
So upgrading a distro is more than just the apt-get update and upgrade? On normal Debian?
eager trench
Ah ok. I saw that as an unrecommended solution to some upgrades were held back (dist-upgrade)
rancid lance
@light trout why is my coffee cup empty ? ๐
blames @light trout for not fetching coffee
light trout
~lmgtfy @rancid lance why is the coffee cup empty?
velvet horizonBOT
rancid lance
.8ball is @light trout a bad coffee fetcher ?
velvet horizonBOT
jagged mantle
what is like the cheapest camera i can buy for hass?
jagged mantle
not so good for house monitoring
jagged mantle
or maybe if i move my rpi
rancid lance
might end up with crap but its cheap
jagged mantle
ive been using phones before with ip camere but the are so ugly
rancid lance
like have i been pwned
silent drift
I've been wondering, is there any possibility to make Zigbee hubs or devices work even though no open API exists. Like for example Trust Zigbee stuff
Because, well, Trust smart things are pretty cheap right now and I jumped in ๐
clever mortar
Have a look at deCONZ
silent drift
Good idea, quickly found this: https://github.com/dresden-elektronik/deconz-rest-plugin/issues/261
Seems like the contact sensor and motion sensor are difficult as they don't do proper ZCL commands ๐ฆ
Good thing is that lamps and remote actually work with philips hue hub so there's that.
Is there a way to make home assistant work together with the Trust hub or does it need API access for it?
clever mortar
Trust Hub? Probably needs an API, most things will.
silent drift
I meant if the Trust Hub itself needs to provide an open API to make a HA component ๐
clever mortar
It needs to have some form of API that HA can access
silent drift
Hmm... seeing as it forces you to have an account first, I don't think so. I tried checking out the UDP packets but I'm just not knowledgeable enough for that stuff
carmine finch
Newbie here, hoping someone can help direct me on how to cleanup my config file. It seems I slowly added items and everything was working fine, but then I went crazy with setting up duckdns, letsencrypt, new weather service (darksky) and now it seems to have broken about 75% of my configuration. I'm very new to this and taking code and tips where I can get it. Is there an order that I should follow in configuration file?
clever mortar
#330944238910963714 is more on topic (hint - read the channel topics) - if you need help though we'll need details of what's not working, and ideally a copy of your configuration.yaml assuming you're using https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/configuration/secrets/
carmine finch
Great, I'll head there, I've posted configs to github though it is probably looking like a mess to anyone that sees it! https://github.com/koehlerc14/Home-AssistantConfig
fathom bay
clever mortar
Android Quick Toggles for HA?
fathom bay
Android Pie, haven't figure out how to use those slots
clever mortar
Need to get a new phone so I can get Pie ๐คท Maybe it'll be Pixel 3 this year ๐
shy comet
@fathom bay you can use tasker to utilize those slots ๐ thats how I am doing it
fathom bay
problem is I don't know what I want to automate....
shy comet
yea i dont use my toggles as much either....most of my tasker stuff is all automated like sleep tracking
eager trench
so on the advice of @rancid lance & @light trout I'm going to use debian not ubuntu on my nuc... but theres thousands of possible images to use??I'm thinking I should use the debian 9.5.0 amd64 one but there's also a buster-DI-alpha3 amd64 one? Bloody confusing!
gaaa... I think Buster is the next release - debian 10 and 9.5 is the latest stretch. Good grief they make this hard
quartz ether
I think I have ubuntu 18.04 on mine. Never had an issue.... other than me doing the wrong commands
pallid nest
9.5 is the latest Debian. Just released last week. So pretty up to date, as much as Debian can be, that is.
shy comet
hmm whats the reasoning to switch from ubuntu to debian?
eager trench
@rancid lance and @light trout were very uncomplimentary about ubuntu - said debian is much better to upgrade. Frenck also seemed to prefer debian although he does use ubuntu
i'm not switching from anything - just purchased a nuc and looking to set it up
planning on using docker
eager trench
funny because on the intel nuc page they seem to be saying to use ubuntu and I was going to use that till I spoke with toast and ludeeus
you're using a nuc?
and docker?
light trout
@eager trench the choice is quite easy, do you prefer stability, or new features?if stability go with Debian, if features go with Ubuntu
gusty relic
@light trout ok let's have a look at debian it is ๐
rancid lance
damn im really in love with PopOS! its a nice distro has really nice flow when working in it
did some minor tweaks and customize with gnome-extensions and themes
can really recommend it been awhile since i ran linux for desktop usage
but this distro is deffo worth it
eager trench
@light trout @rancid lance yeah Iโm going to go Debian and it looks like 9.5 version, not the โbusterโ version which is like an alpha release by the looks of it but it wasnโt apparent without doing a lot more looking than would seem necessary.
quartz ether
quartz ether
Still a pup. Gets his cone off this weekend and I can't wait he has been WAY over the top with it...
quartz ether
@tiny mesa 13 months.
wind hornet
Hello ๐ Nice to meet you all
drifting fiber
So I've got the Alexa interface working with 'text to speak'. Have my twitter API developer codes in hand. Now I want to play with creating a script to monitor for a certain individual's twitter posting to trigger Alexa to make a certain verbal announcement. Anyone willing to give this newbie on HA a hand?
rancid lance
light trout
@rancid lance Waste of perfectly good vodka....
light trout
most likely ๐
last plaza
I do not understand his language. Is he speaking english or some other language? ๐
light trout
๐คท I only saw the title
rancid lance
then you missed out ๐
rancid lance
zenith egret
Just have to share - Figured if my wife stops laughing I might get lucky. Activated using Google Home, with "OK Google, turn on the charm" - https://hastebin.com/ecabagahaf.bash
compact elk
is the forum website down?
eager trench
Itโs up and down... just refresh
compact elk
yeah tried a couple of times, i'll just have to be patient
eager trench
Yep. Up & down
young sigil
Anyone else having trouble with the community forum today? I have no avatar, no link to my profile in the menu, posts are not being marked as read. I tried clearing my browser history/cache and logging in again. No change. Tried from another browser and got a server error.
drifting fiber
it's been, and is currently, a yo-yo
dry cairn
so we do have a forum ......i always thought its a myth...
white fog
@dry cairn only because it's down 50% of the time. ๐๐คฃ
light trout
@hearty depot FU... now I'm going to waste hours there to...
shy comet
since we are sharing ๐
light trout
@shy comet I have that on the wall by my desk ๐
shy comet
@light trout this one is amazing as well LOL
light trout
Have not seen that with "Helpdesk" before ๐
shy comet
actualy you are right that row is new and column are new ๐
lmao helpdesk is seen by developers as slave labor....thats harsh
shy comet
yes!!!!
rancid lance
hehe
kind river
so im thinking of getting some foscam IP cameras. anyone have any thoughts?
austere musk
the anticipation is killing me, ram does not get here til tomorrow
low harness
Well. I hope you learned to always have a few extra sticks laying about.
quartz ether
But it stops the leaks
That video is quality. You can turn off your water remotely then tell your neighbours that you had a leak and then they can tell their neighbour..... ok?
tiny mesa
were all speaking water hahahaha
gusty relic
morning all
peak cloud
๐
tiny mesa
anyone here know how to install other region skills on amazon echo
tiny mesa
that time you bought an amazon echo and can use it with ecobee because they don't sell it in your country so dumb
i vpned into canada amazon skill store but the ecobee site will not authorise it...
quartz ether
I have an echo dot in nz and used it as american
tiny mesa
with ecobee?
ecobee seems to be the ones being the dingus
seeing if it will work over my iphone..
nope
so dumb
does your skill store show up as american?
I think I can get it to work through ifttt
quartz ether
I dont have ecobee I was going to buy one though so hmm
Did oyu get the ecobee with alexa built in?
tiny mesa
nope
they do have amazing reporting.... that only works in North America
trying to get it to work with ifttt right now
quartz ether
I can install the skill provided i can log into ecobee
tiny mesa
i can log into ecobee, then I click authorise and it tosses an error message
quartz ether
Cant register as I dont have a device so cant test for you.... Which is a shame I was literally going to buy one next week
tiny mesa
i am going to reach out to support but I am guessing they will tell me to get stuffed
I will let you know how I go
why did you set your echo to usa?
quartz ether
Anyone seen an alternative to these https://www.helloaxis.com, https://www.teptron.com/page/move-overview
Ideally something that is as tidy but I am happy building it myself and getting something 3d printed if there are plans
Echo wasnt available in NZ when I got it.
tiny mesa
quartz ether
Hmm wonder if that would have enough torque for my curtains
tiny mesa
looks like a great diy concept
He shared the 3d file but not what he used for the servo
and you need a 3d printer lol
quartz ether
Yea the git was a bit bland.
Also would sit off the wall a fair bit with the style he has. So not sure how he mounts it.
quartz ether
Ahh he has small lego block size things he adds to it. I still think it sticks out too much. I have some of those servos and they arent small.
slim rampartBOT
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quartz ether
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hearty depot
aah Deam this network problems =/ somebody used a Ubiquiti router?
I want to know if the lil sucker can do ppoe after my single user modem from the ISP
rancid lance
got one mounted on my wall
hearty depot
ppoe possible? ll instanly buy a ER-X-SFP or ER-X
rancid lance
dont grab the er-x
if you wanna install debian stuff
has little to none existing storage space
and remember its not like a traditional router
you have to setup everything yourself
hearty depot
ll he schould log in into the ISP network and maybe take care of DHCP
read yesterday evening about it - thats it is mostly ssh
hearty depot
even with a GUI - Im pleased
rancid lance
if i was to buy one today i would go for er3 or something
the gui is alright has its issues
but for the most of it, it works
and the debian version that you can install is jessie for some odd reason
not sure why they didnt opt for stretch
the er-x ships with a 3.10 kernel
they are trying to get it to 4.x
thats also another negative when it comes to the er-x
but it is the cheapest model
so you get what you pay for
luckely this isn not my main router
went with the amplify hd system
got it setup as a switch
hearty depot
The ISP`s router is a Nightmare - I just have a Homenetwork with 3pc 1 nas and 2 IOT hubs - (and manymany wireless devices thanks to HA)
rancid lance
any isp router is a nightmare
i should know i work for an ISP
you really get shit and thats it
its "free"
i never use isp stuff
rather be in control of my own stuff
then leting them be incontrol of it
hearty depot
Forwarded homeassistant to the net - leave out the port and you can log in with the master password
good attitude for life
rancid lance
but again make sure to actually read the manual for which ever router you get
cause it matters
if you fuck up you can leave yourself exploitable as hell
hearty depot
I hope I get this setup right - The ISP is the modem - connected to the
Ubiquiti wich logging in - wich takes care of DHCP and the network structure (some D-lans) Adding the OpenWRT router for wireless
(i am exploitable as hell atm)
rancid lance
when it comes to ubiquiti
could just pick up a ubiquiti firewall
less messy then setting up everything from scratch
let the shitty modem do its work and then having your stuff firewalled
hearty depot
Would have loved a pfsense - I'm in the need of an 5 port router minimum
a archer c50(100mbit) is my router atm
slowes me down as fuck
but now I think DHCP gave up - cant connect anything
rancid lance
so reset the modem and start fresh
hearty depot
Would like not to - my wife ll kill me when there is no internet
rancid lance
so tell her that she can live without for 10 minutes ๐
if she cant then she deffo has a problem
hearty depot
(my luck that she isnt here)
rancid lance
shit everyone has mobile data these days
hearty depot
jea - she is so oldscool like - when ther is a product like a PC it has to work as expected
light trout
So not at all ๐
rancid lance
geez
put on your big boy pants and reset the modem and reconfig
thats what i would do
hearty depot
To much xD - got a exel sheet for all the stuff - the amazon dash buttons takeing a lot of space tbh
rancid lance
amazon the one device i would never have in my home
hearty depot
Uh - got also a echo - Hate it too - but the wife loves it fml
needed for audible..
rancid lance
i only have telldus
thats "smart"
the rest i make into smart devices
xD
thats how far i trust the big corperations with my data
thats why i love this project cause it lets me be in control of my stuff
and not the other way around
hearty depot
So backed up all the data I need (I hope)
tiny mesa
i am thinking I am going to return the 3 echos i just bought
they are pretty limited for Australia
can't have two accounts on them and they geo lock apps
yet I could pair ecobee to my google assistant app on my ios phone lol
tiny mesa
google home seems to be the way to go
hearty depot
@rancid lance Thanks for the Heads up - I think I`m back to operating
rancid lance
๐๐ป
maiden estuary
is Home Assistant going to be taking part in Hacktober fest again?
amber bramble
b-e-a-utiful
atleast it's just username confirmation stuff. if people have proper passwords/certificate auth/fail2ban type stuff set up, then it shouldn't really be a big deal
but 90% of the devices and setups in the wild aren't set up properly, so :rip: the internet
rancid lance
or simply dont expose ssh towards the internet
clever mortar
If you expose SSH, you should only expose it with keys. If you're paranoid require 2FA with the keys - TOTP is pretty trivial to add
rancid lance
its all common sense (kinda lacking in general around the internet) but if you dont need to expose it then dont
but agian people see shiny and dont think
clever mortar
That's like suggesting people should remember to lock their front door ๐ It's never going to catch on
rancid lance
hehe
like the comparions i did the other day about samba
when some user had 777 on his samba shares
its like going around telling strangers that the front door is open
you just dont do that
amber bramble
.... turns off flashing "front door unlocked come on in' sign in the front yard ...
clever mortar
And the music, don't forget the music
pure vine
I need to block all users loging in over ssh and whitelist the ones i use
clever mortar
man sshd_config ๐
You can limit which groups can log in, and require group A to use keys, group B to use password, group C to use keys + password + TOTP token, etc etc etc
pure vine
Ohh, a ssh group would be good
I allow password on the lan, anything from the WAN needs a key
maiden estuary
If you want ssh access remotely then VPN is your friend
clever mortar
For anything that I need to SSH to from the Internet, I just use key + password + TOTP token, and a randomly generated login name. It may be a tiny bit overkill ๐คท
dry cairn
@clever mortar you need one of these
finally some advertising on a machine thats close to the truth
clever mortar
Yeah, but it's HP...
The last decent thing they built was the LaserJet 4 series...
dry cairn
lol
solemn moon
IKEAs releaseing cheap power switches for homekit! So excited
tiny mesa
thankyou snapshots
shy comet
LOL almost missed the PS in that pic ๐
shy comet
so looks like neato is having some pretty bad cloud issues lately
schedules not starting at all
my vacuum just now missed an entire room and spent 30 min longer cleaning
jovial light
tiny mesa
@quartz ether I returned the echos and bought google home... now everything works ๐
and they look nicer
and can be setup with more then one user...
quartz ether
And tts
tiny mesa
tts?
quartz ether
tiny mesa
yes
velvet horizonBOT
@neon crow posted a message that is more than 15 lines. It is now available at: https://hastebin.com/axujufilec
neon crow
๐
neon crow
thanks @rancid lance ... did i mess something up already (besides making post over 15 lines)?
rancid lance
haha well there is a general rule if its long then use hastebin for configs etc
that way the it doesnt take up space for other users support issues
neon crow
cool (not config .. but will keep it in mind)
peak cloud
@neon crow Oddly enough you didn't break any rules with that. It's a rare case that an actual message gets fixed by the bot ๐
rancid lance
yeah the bot just reacted outta hand
peak cloud
@rancid lance Have a look at that message -- it's a legit good message. I'd much rather have it long than broken up into 17 different messages ๐
rancid lance
as for your question yeah its possible
peak cloud
He's dumb sometimes, and likes to make an ass out of u and me.
neon crow
i can break it into 2 messages i guess... hoping ppl will just click the link ๐
rancid lance
we did ๐
although i would recommend using python before c# when intergrating your stuff
unless you create an application and run that as a translator
dunno how your setup
neon crow
Never touched python before .. but how hard can it be #FamousLastWords
peak cloud
@neon crow "Does Home Assistant allow me the ability to add new custom screens and then call my own scripts or web apis?"
Answer: Yes.
rancid lance
hey thats something i had to learn on the fly here
and ive only been here for 2 months now
peak cloud
"Or is there some other Hub which you guys can recommend?"
Answer: I thought Home Assistant was the only one ๐ฎ Damn, I must be sheltered! ๐ (sarcasm...but truly, I think Home Assistant is the most powerful and extensible)
rancid lance
Home assistant is really powerful when it comes to being extensive and useful
peak cloud
"Google Mini vs Alexa Dot"
Answer: I used to suggest Alexa, but I've heard of so many people ditching Alexa and going to Google lately. Based on that trend, I'd recommend Google Mini.
neon crow
ok, guess I can start with Home Assistant, and see and if I feel I have to or defeated by python .. might just code my own one then...
rancid lance
so what are you planning to run on ?
neon crow
@peak cloud that is what I have been hearing .. then others are saying google home is better at being a personal assistant where alexa is better for home automation