the-water-cooler

[solar zealot]

so you just sign up for the synology experience but by an even more dubious company ;D

[split acorn]

truenas, hass, smart os, they all got those one click install containers built into them

i prefer vms

[forest edge]

again, not really anything else out there

especially not free

[solar zealot]

well if you can live with it being dubious then thats how it shall be

[forest edge]

dubious? you make it sound like malware lol

[solar zealot]

id not but then id also dont really need to touch anything often enough in that regard

well you should see their other "products"

where they switcheroo customers on hardware

[forest edge]

don't care about thier other stuff

[solar zealot]

it draws a picture that would not make me trust using their flavoured web tools

[forest edge]

I just wanted a simple remote browser management experince that was simple.. if I could find something to replace it that was better I would but havn't yet

[split acorn]

one vm per service is always the gold standard 😄

[solar zealot]

the largest one was their nas which was outright faulty

[high remnant]

dont you love it when your disks get vendor locked

[solar zealot]

that would suggests that it could do recognize drives consistently...

[high remnant]

could be worse

[solar zealot]

well a nas dropping connection to disks at random, with nvme expanders that overheat and also shit the bed, with a case and fans that couldnt cool down 20% off the hardware if they would have put it on correctly in the first place

[scenic radish]

Seems overkill when containers are a thing

[solar zealot]

it could be worse if they were to ship an empty box

but it got pretty close

[high remnant]

i mean i like my stolen hardware

[high remnant]

well if I expose it to the big bad internet it isn't tbh

but internally sure

[forest edge]

wtf are you buying to run into such issues? lol

[solar zealot]

thats the zima cube from them

its been hilariously bad

[forest edge]

sounds like woes of a second hand swap meet

[solar zealot]

i was so pissed about this product, i just blew 3k$ on another system to use as a nas so i dont have to deal with it

in fairness, they did do refund me

so its likely not malicious <but incompetence>

the zima board has similar experiences with the emmc dying pretty fast well

its a progess of learning

for me, to stay away from it haha

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/heres-to-you-party-time-this-one-right-here-gif-14586311

[solar zealot]

oh the beer

[static schooner]

so, about as good as the original Zima?

[forest edge]

my zima blade emmc may have died lol

[solar zealot]

they really hate nvme storage

also the blade 💀

for when you get sold ddr3 memory and then get switched on a random cpu

ewaste boxed and shipped

[forest edge]

some of those issues are not icewhale but the company they paid to slap the hardware together. be like blaming @hollow glacier and apollo for the ornament issues

[solar zealot]

i guess that is fair

[forest edge]

could you point fingers.. technically sure but it's thier responsibilty but not directly thier doing

[solar zealot]

"its just funny that" they are alright with selling hardware from 2016

with variants that have next to no similarities within the same product version

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/why-cant-you-just-be-normal-youre-weird-stop-it-chill-out-wtf-gif-12213994

[solar zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-roof-peter-griffin-walter-white-mr-white-gif-19642475

[split acorn]

not a fan of zimaboards

arent they based on celerons? and they cost like multiple hundreds of $?

[solar zealot]

Multiple idk but over a hundred yes

[split acorn]

waste of money

just like rpis!

maybe some use cases for it

[solar zealot]

They either get Celeron or atoms

The worst part is that this is random and the difference is like 20%

We already knew the pi org is a greedy place

But v5 is honestly terrible

[split acorn]

i like servers and esp32 devices 😄

[solar zealot]

At least they did end up actually reading the USB pd spec

Id take a random n100 pc that tend to cost not a lot more any day

[split acorn]

mini pc far better yeah

honestly if i had to pay the electric bill, idk what i would do

maybe colo, or office where i dont need to pay electric lol

[minor bobcat]

Probably not draw 1.5kW

[split acorn]

nah id rather colo than consolidate

[minor bobcat]

What are using all that power for?

[split acorn]

6 servers and 2 switches

[last cedar]

Dayum

[minor bobcat]

I got that, but what are they serving? Lol

Just in general? Are they game servers, or Webhosting?

[last cedar]

Clearly serving your curiosity! @minor bobcat

[glacial knot]

inb4

idling

[split acorn]

sure some webservers, hosting some webapps, mostly lab stuff for labbing hyperv, vsphere, windows server

its runs all

some vdi and llm setup

[minor bobcat]

I know companies with much less computing power

[split acorn]

yeah i dont really have much in production, nothing important anyway

but labbing ceph or vsan is always pretty fun

having a cluster of hosts that can really take a beating without any data loss

just glad i bought ram prior to the rampocolypse

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/painful-step-on-lego-cursing-tony-stark-gif-14156761

[umbral cliff]

How do you use home assistant if you don’t like containers?

[split acorn]

HASS is a deployable

they make an ova for it!

[umbral cliff]

Home assistant OS is just containers behind the scenes

[split acorn]

oh like the addons?

all the addons in HASS that are not home assistant specific i stay very far away from

[umbral cliff]

No the actual home assistant part runs with containers too iirc

You just seem to hate docker

[split acorn]

yeah i do

[umbral cliff]

But why

[split acorn]

poor for microsegmentation, less isolation, larger blast radius if something goes wrong

then you have template based settings which cause issues and dont stick

one vm per container is also fine...

but like casa os, smart os, truenas scale, hass, etc, they all have those one click install containers. when 99% of those containers should ideally be ran as isolated vms.

looking at the HASS addon store, why do i want adh, grafana, chrony, mariadb, tailscale, etc, all deployed as containers in HASS??

[umbral cliff]

Mariadb for a database that’s not SQLite?
Tailscale for direct entry to your HA without exposing it to the internet

[split acorn]

they should be ran as isolated vms.

not containerized in HASS, when HASS itself should be highly isolated from the rest of the lab

[umbral cliff]

A lot of people their only home server is a HA green or whatever
Not multiple devices or a device powerful enough to do a hypervisor

[split acorn]

yeah.. sure.. you lose a lot of security that way, but its fine i get it, not everyone has hypervisors with enough threads

[umbral cliff]

They’re not containerised inside HA
They’re separate containers to HA, HAOS runs stuff as containers

I just run HA in the container format, easier for backups, easier for management

[split acorn]

all shares the same kernel.

containers dont get isolated from other containers running ontop the same kernel

[umbral cliff]

Sure
Was just clarifying your comment since saying it’s containerised from HA implies there’s a container running inside HA, when HA is its own container

[split acorn]

much like putting all your eggs in one basket

setting vlans and vms solves all those issues

[umbral cliff]

And then requires a lot more than an isp provided router and a pi

[split acorn]

yes i suppose

good compromise would be to ditch the isp router anyway, pfsense can run on anything low specced. then just a mini pc with like 2 or 3 vms, that run containers. this way you can isolate a bit better

still cant acheive microsegmentation, but its still significantly better than just running all your containers on a single machine

[umbral cliff]

Still requires buying more stuff

[split acorn]

think of ditching the isp router as being an upgrade

and pis arent economical. mini pcs are usually cheaper and can host more.

hell you could probably manage to find a mini pc capable enough to host the router, and 2 or 3 vms for containerized services alone.

[minor bobcat]

Yeah better secure my local only services so hard I have to work two jobs lol

[split acorn]

lol

[umbral cliff]

If you only want home assistant then a pi (or something like the HA green) are economical as a set and forget box

Some people don’t want to make being a home sysadmin their life

[static schooner]

losers

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/losers-club-lover-cast-it-it-chapter-two-gif-14970164

[split acorn]

your telling me you dont have 30 firewall rules, a jumphost, and 3 vlans for your vpn setup?

[umbral cliff]

I have a few firewall rules, a jumphost that I need to actually setup, and VLANs for wifi clients but servers are all on one

[split acorn]

so you did ditch the isp firewall?

[umbral cliff]

I have yes, because I never got an ISP router. My ISP doesn’t even have their own brand routers, just sells standard off the shelf ones

I’ve got a UniFi setup at home

[split acorn]

yeah thats good

isp routers aka consumer tplink or netgear equivilent

[umbral cliff]

My isp just sells things like the eero mesh setup

There’s no custom isp software or anything
Just plug in any router to the NTD and job done

[forest edge]

can't speak for the rest of the world but don't think we have an isp that truly locks you to anything they provide outside the modem itself in some cases

[umbral cliff]

I think AT&T may?
Or at least force you to use their router as a bridge mode thing

No one here locks you in though, helps that the infrastructure isn't owned by any ISP

[split acorn]

cgnat

well dunno if it locks you out neccessarily

but it restricts things enough

[umbral cliff]

It doesn’t
Just stops a public IPv4
IPv6 would work though

Can’t say I’ve ever dealt with cgnat before though, every ISP I’ve used has given a public v4, and also a tonne of v6

[split acorn]

cgnat is not fun

[forest edge]

not locked to anything in terms of like lte

my HA instance in my barn sits behind a mofi router on google fi

[split acorn]

ay?

so you have multiple routers?

[forest edge]

multiple locations.. yes

[umbral cliff]

LTE normally has cgnat
Or my carrier is only IPv6 for 4/5G lol

[forest edge]

saying in terms of the hardware you are not locked

I can't have a static ip etc

you could if you paid i guess

[umbral cliff]

That’s true

[umbral cliff]

The only ISPs with cgnat here are budget ones
Even others that give you cgnat have a one click opt out button too

[split acorn]

yes

[umbral cliff]

I love having dual stack v4/v6 at home though
So many IPv6 to use

[split acorn]

south east asian exclusive

ipv6 is so scary 🙁

[umbral cliff]

It’s not that bad!

[split acorn]

i have it extensively blocked on the firewall

everywhere

everything

im not ready for it

not at all

ipv6 is about as foreign to me as infiniband

no thanks

i need some more gpus. i have llm web users, and voice satellite now

not enough speed and power

[unborn merlin]

matter is a psyop to force people to enable ipv6. 😛

[umbral cliff]

You can just enable it and leave it
If you don’t expose anything then it’s not going to scare you

[split acorn]

noi too scary

i left it disabled

and some devices were fetching public ipv6

bypassing the firewall i presume.

too scary

[vivid wraith]

Why is that scary

[split acorn]

because then its exposed

to the capital I Internet

no nat forwarding required?

yeah ipv6 kinda scary

[unborn merlin]

it was.. accessing the internet via its preferred protocol?

😮‍💨

how scary! /s

[vivid wraith]

Remember all the ipv4 is running out countdowns

[unborn merlin]

it'll never truly go away.

the big problem with that shit was mobile stuff I believe.

but they just fixed that with CGNAT

[vivid wraith]

Actually wait people might not remember that it was over a decade ago

https://tenor.com/view/stressed-stressed-out-it-is-what-it-is-meme-gif-1807874383562258451

[split acorn]

if the firewall isnt prepared to actually firewall ipv6 clients then yes ultra scary

if an ftp or ssh server or something is running on the client with ipv6, is it not just then exposed to the public internet?

[unborn merlin]

you do realize that

[vivid wraith]

I’m a mega boomer I used arno-iptables-firewall until like a few years ago

[scenic radish]

Any decent router that supports ipv6 will have a default firewall rule that drops ipv6 traffic from the WAN that isn't a response to outgoing traffic

[vivid wraith]

[unborn merlin]

just because ipv6 devices can dial out of your NAT network

Does not mean they're automatically being port forwarded.

[split acorn]

how not

[unborn merlin]

.... I cannot even with this guy..

that is not how port forwarding works.

[split acorn]

i was under the impression v6 does not use port forwarding

[unborn merlin]

neither does ipv4 if you are being directly granted public-facing IP addresses.

[vivid wraith]

@unborn merlin lol I started with ‘why is that scary’ but then I decided the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/farnsworth-futurama-gif-5319799

[strong dock]

This isn't directly HA related, but is anyone else with Govee lights and an Android phone having trouble with the Govee Home app? It just immediately crashes when I try to open it.

[split acorn]

i dont think theres any reason for my devices to get public ipv6s. nor is there a reason for them to even get link locals.

tho i think ipv6 link locals are usful for my android based IOT devices

but other than that theres no use

[split acorn]

would require manually setting on pfsense im sure

why risk it?

[umbral cliff]

To access webpages that are IPv6 only

[umbral cliff]

No it doesn’t
Just like IPv4 on pfsense is drop default

[split acorn]

traffic originating from the firewall tho

then i need to compile extra ipv6 block lists

[umbral cliff]

So IPv6 addresses are public, in the sense that it’s unique across the globe
However doesn’t mean it’s accessible, and they auto allocate their own IPv6 by their own logic, done via your router

[umbral cliff]

What are you blocking from your services outbound

[split acorn]

dns

ip block lists

[umbral cliff]

That’s not hard? You change your rule to be port 53/etc IPv4 & 6 instead of just 4

[split acorn]

ok but how is it not accessible if there is no NAT

[split acorn]

block lists

[umbral cliff]

Because you have a firewall rule that says deny by default at your router

[split acorn]

then i also need to make sure link locals cant talk with other link locals?

[umbral cliff]

You can set up your same rules to stop vlan communication if you want
May already be setup for both 4&6 (at least opnsense did that when I used it)

Unsure about closed source pfsense

[scenic radish]

Same as ipv4...VLANs set to isolate by default

[umbral cliff]

IPv6 isn’t as scary as you think
You can try using a dummy vlan to play around with it and allocate a single vm to it (or two VMs to test communication)
Then roll it out

[split acorn]

well then id have to let it thru on the firewall

and id rather not let the floodgates open to all my vms gettting assigned public v6s again

[umbral cliff]

Yes you can let it through to a specific vlan

[umbral cliff]

They’re being assigned by your router
IPv6 addresses are public

Well assigned by your isp then assigned through SLAAC via your routers details

Just because it’s public doesn’t mean it’s accessible

[split acorn]

seems more accessible than v4

so im good

[umbral cliff]

All my devices have ‘public’ IPv6, doesn’t mean it’s accessible

[umbral cliff]

Only if you remove the default firewall rules
Which who knows what closed source pfsense does

[split acorn]

opnsense i fine i just have far too much on my pfsense to migrate it

thatd be like a month long project

[umbral cliff]

Honestly just try out IPv6, set it to a single vlan (you can do a rule to block all but a single vlan) use that vlan to test

IPv6 isn’t that scary once you play around with it
And it is the future you know

[split acorn]

are there ways to randomize ipv6s

oh shit ipv6 lowkey safer than v4

because like

every v4 belongs to someone

honestly ill say its pretty decent. could be even safer than v4. just need to know how to configure it right. and i dont really wanna deal with that after running v4 for so long.

maybe if i switch routers ill look into it

[umbral cliff]

V6 also belongs to someone
You’re allocated from a block that your isp gives you

[split acorn]

yeah but not every v6 is like

actually in use?

like it cant be mass scanned like v4 can

[umbral cliff]

You could still mass scan whether or not it’s in use
How long it takes who knows

[minor bobcat]

Who cares about mass scans

[split acorn]

my point is that your like a grain of sand in a desert

🌟 i want to be a grain of sand in the desert 😄

[split acorn]

with an ipv6

[static schooner]

just open an ipv6 port for Wireguard

[vivid wraith]

not really there are far more ipv6 addresses than grains of sand in a desert

[static schooner]

If you just want to get into your own network. No response at all for anyone else

[vivid wraith]

you should be able to randomly check ipv6 addresses and not ever run into one in use

since the address space is what, 128 bit?

[split acorn]

but then my router needs an ipv6

then all my devices get ipv6

and i dont want that right now

[vivid wraith]

I guess you could find one in use with a quantum computer via brute force

since the search space is down to 64 bit

[split acorn]

yeah its a cool thought

more of a cosmic scale

[vivid wraith]

idk has anyone brute forced 64 bit yet

[umbral cliff]

I have slightly less than a desert of sand grains of IPv6 addresses

But I do have 1,208,925,819,614,629,174,706,176 all for me

[umbral cliff]

No
You can disable IPv6 per vlan
You seem to keep ignoring that part

[split acorn]

nah but thats what i did before. and i still had devices getting public v6s

and i was pissed

[vivid wraith]

I think the largest RSA that’s been brute forced was like 59 bit equivalent or something like that? (going off of memory)

[split acorn]

so i just pulled the plug on v6 alltogether

[umbral cliff]

Then you didn’t do it right

[split acorn]

no i did it was ignoring the pfsense i swearrrr

[umbral cliff]

You get allocated a block of IPv6 from your isp
That’s what your devices get

[umbral cliff]

I know what opnsense can do, and in that each vlan only got an actual IPv6 address when it was set up in the network settings

[split acorn]

actually the devices getting v6s couldve been old leases from the isp router

as i only noticed after switching the routers

[minor bobcat]

You'll loose your mind when your Mac-Adress comes up in your IPV6

[split acorn]

so your saying i can let my router get a v6, then only allow a specifc subnet (or no subnets for now) get assigned v6s?

[umbral cliff]

Yes

[split acorn]

so if i use v6 to talk to internet, the internet has my v6 and its corresponding physical MAC logged?

oh wait i remember something like this

i thought it was only the vendors mac

[dull nova]

Hello i need a little bit of help but nothings wrong i just cant find the right information and i dont know where to look, ive got evrything running fine but im trying to find the mqtts host and user and pw for the opera gx etension and i cant find it in MQTT in the home assisant, could someone be kind enough to point me in the right direction ?

[minor bobcat]

On modern routers It's not a thing anymore but on local networks it can be used. I think.

[static schooner]

#1284966582375813201

[split acorn]

oh wait im thinking about mac address containing the vendors mac

or something along those lines. like the vendor of the network card

its been like 4 years since my last cisco class lmao

[minor bobcat]

Before proper setup my router had it's mac as part of the V6 adress

[split acorn]

i am using a physical passthru nic for the WAN, rather than a vnic, so not ideal at all.

[umbral cliff]

At least a routers IPv6 doesn’t matter as much

[split acorn]

it does!

but if there are no other mitigations, using a vnic would be effective

as my router is virtualized

[minor bobcat]

You should be able to just change it

I could and I don't a virtualized VM container LLM router

#buzzwords

[split acorn]

then again using vnic would tell the world my router runs on vsphere

[minor bobcat]

It's 4am I should sleep I'm starting to be a little angry german lol

[split acorn]

it would spoof the mac but at what costs lol

[minor bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-a-little-german-sprechen-sie-deutsch-sprechen-sitting-over-there-top-secret-gif-16743806

Inb4 someone else posts that

[split acorn]

average sized

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/principal-skinner-laughing-laughing-hysterically-lol-haha-gif-11604557889880066231

[remote flame]

I want to make sure I'm not breaking any of the community guidelines, but I just learned about the QR Code scanning integration, and I have an idea that I'm sure has been implemented.

I live in a condo building, and I'd like to see if anyone has found good hardware for a peephole camera that would connect to HA. I'm thinking it would be cool to have a special QR code for my friends to scan for access to my home.

[ocean oar]

Better still, why not go the full image recognition and make them do a special handshake / dance?
No sense in not making them make a right tit of themselves on camera in your hallway / on the street outside

[remote flame]

maybe it is a stupid idea, which is my interpretation of your message.

[ocean oar]

Also #1284966353798697001 is the right place to ask about the device, and #1284980040940912641 for the usage

[remote flame]

I appreciate it

it might be a silly idea, but I want to make QR codes do more than provide menus 😄

[ocean oar]

No I just enjoy seeing how much people will put up with in these situations

[remote flame]

fair

[umbral cliff]

You can make them do wifi networks too!

😛

[remote flame]

I bet I could get my IRL friends to make some pretty good content to share here.

[remote flame]

I actually crossstitched an old WiFi QR code for my last network details. I've since switched to a nerdy literary reference.

I figure if someone is nerdy enough to get the reference, they can have my network.

[fresh bramble]

actively using a chromebook with libreelec as a tv box

[umbral cliff]

I just give people accounts, if they're guests they sit on the guest VLAN automatically

[remote flame]

I've so far shied away from a more serious approach to my network. I'd like to get into the VLAN business, so I can use a VPN, more IoT devices (without worry of growing someone else's botnet 😉)

[umbral cliff]

I just do zigbee for my IoT, no internet or vlan needed for them 😛

[remote flame]

I have zigbee and z-wave adapters, and have just starting added zigbee things, so that is good news to me that I've headed down a well-trod path.

[high remnant]

new rush hour challenge: try not to get rear ended due to dutch cheapness (bald 10 year old summertyres) on slightly slippery roads

[umbral cliff]

Imagine having summer/winter tyres 😛

[high remnant]

lmao i have both!

winters currently under the car

[umbral cliff]

Imagine needing both 😛

Just live in a place like australia

just need tyres

[forest edge]

is that what they call shoes for roo's?

[high remnant]

i mean i’d love to

[umbral cliff]

Oh wow, I think you’re the first European I’ve spoken to who doesn’t immediately go “I couldn’t live in Australia, there’s spiders” 😄

[ocean oar]

Was just having one of those conversations with a colleague over lunch who'd moved to NZ from the US around 4 months ago.
"No snakes, no spiders, but we've got some really nice (and active) volcanoes" 😄

[umbral cliff]

Yeah but then you have to deal with sheep in NZ 😛

[ocean oar]

But I eat the sheep. They don't eat me

[high remnant]

i mean if i die i die lol

[high remnant]

the only thing I kinda dislike is the traffic enfocement. iirc its even more strict than we have

lol

[umbral cliff]

Tbf bar things like crocodiles the deadly animals here won’t eat you either
And you can eat crocodiles

[high remnant]

cows are deadlier lol

[umbral cliff]

Just don’t speed and don’t use your phone and you’re fine

[high remnant]

wel fuck thats what I like to do

its my past time

[last cedar]

It is mostly the lack of winter tyres that puts us off

Followed by the spiders

[umbral cliff]

Thought it would’ve been the lack of raccoons

[last cedar]

Nah, they are not in most of Europe either 🙁

Only Germany has really got any large numbers

[umbral cliff]

Well guess you gotta be on your phone at home, and speed in your dreams 😛

[last cedar]

That will eventually change though 😄

[high remnant]

I was joking btw. Its snowing right now. pretty hard lol

I am probably going to be stuck at the office for a while

[steel pumice]

im loving this $15 camera

[umbral cliff]

We’ve got a heatwave warning for here lol
Cool tomorrow (33c) then 36,37,39,38 for Wednesday to Saturday

[umbral cliff]

More time to play on your phone 😛

[high remnant]

I would never text and drive btw https://iwillnotbuynitro.com/u/sane-warmhearted-barren-anura.jpeg

[umbral cliff]

tut tut tut

[high remnant]

-3c

[umbral cliff]

Yuck

[high remnant]

🤷‍♂️

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/wanker-piss-off-you-wanker-tosser-you-tosser-gif-17949428

"Utomhus" = outside

Not sure my van will even start

[high remnant]

lmao

same

cus its an audi

[last cedar]

I need to run the diesel heater so I won't die

I have a portable jump pack ready though

My Volvo is under a car cover and on constant charge from a smart charger though

She gets babied

Although because she is old it is on 10-40 oil which doesn't really work at -15C properly apparently

[high remnant]

lol dang

joys of living in a cold climate

[last cedar]

I should really try 5-40 in her and see if she throws it on the ground

[umbral cliff]

What year is it?

[high remnant]

2024

[umbral cliff]

Neat

[high remnant]

yes!

the first year was horrible but everything after has been good

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/extra-black-sauce-black-sause-gif-15018306

[umbral cliff]

What happened?

[high remnant]

whole host of electrical issues which have been fixed under warranty

[atomic delta]

Similar temperatures here, except in Fahrenheit.

[solar zealot]

How much is that in real units

[high remnant]

0 c

[atomic delta]

Basically yeah. 32F = 0C

Though I maintain my opinion that Celsius is the one unit that isn't convenient for general life, unlike the rest of the metric system.

Makes sense for chemists, but for the average person, Fahrenheit is a more reasonable scale.

Also, I realize that's blasphemy. I'm okay with that.

[solar zealot]

the only real one is kelvin and therfore c for them having the same step size

[high remnant]

celsius is the best lmao

0 is freezing 100 is boiling for water, it simply makes way more sense

[atomic delta]

Fahrenheit 0-100 is a scale from "fucking cold" to "fucking hot" with both ends being livable. It makes sense for the average person. That's a common range to reference for things in the average life. Celsius 0-100 is "pretty cold" to "you're dead", with a large chunk most people will never make use of in everyday life. It's convenient for cooking, but that's about it.

[glacial knot]

Wrong

[atomic delta]

Always amusing to see how many people that opinion offends.

[glacial knot]

Yea

It's 💩

[high remnant]

i’m not offended lol

[solar zealot]

Because its simply wrong :P

[high remnant]

i just disagree

[glacial knot]

Don't spread misinformation

[atomic delta]

...how is that misinformation?

[solar zealot]

random unit propaganda

[glacial knot]

In what way is it not?

[solar zealot]

same as the terrible idea to measure stuff by volume instead of by weight

looking at you cups

[glacial knot]

Oi, we measure some things in ml

[solar zealot]

the only acceptable thing for that is water

[atomic delta]

Er... Any way? "I have an opinion" is by default not misinformation. The contents of that opinion don't qualify either.

[severe wadi]

That's still a volume

[glacial knot]

Yes

That's the point

[atomic delta]

The only acceptable volume is 11.

[severe wadi]

Volume for powders will have error

[glacial knot]

I am of the opinion that $misinformation
Still spreads it

[solar zealot]

volume of anything has huge errors

you dont do noodles by volume

or anything else really

[glacial knot]

Yea, it's just easier for liquids most of the time

[glacial knot]

Some do by circumference

[solar zealot]

except for fuel tanks, those make sense by volume and not by weight

[atomic delta]

Okay, but literally how is any of what I said misinformation? That word means more than "stuff I don't like" you know.

[glacial knot]

I guess technically area
Which is even weirder

[severe wadi]

Liquids fill the container better, but you still have expansion

[glacial knot]

I know

[solar zealot]

we burned those people in the past

the right way to measure pasta is to make the entire box

[glacial knot]

You don't buy in bags?

[solar zealot]

they come in various packages

[atomic delta]

If you don't cook pasta expecting regrets, are you even trying?

...that said, I do draw the line at the ten pound bag of spaghetti I buy sometimes from the restaurant supply.

[solar zealot]

well those maybe

the regular 500g (see weight, not volume) ones feed three adult people

so the left overs are very predictable

[high remnant]

I am going to get 45kg of benzine

brb

[solar zealot]

how many non standard local ounces variety is this

[atomic delta]

US usually goes by the pound, which is apparently ~454g, so yeah, pretty similar.

Though if you want to complain about units, there's always alcohol.

[solar zealot]

us also has child sized drinks

:P

[atomic delta]

...huh?

[solar zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/parksandrecreation-pawnee-soda-sizes-childsize-gif-3521675

[atomic delta]

Ahhh

[high remnant]

lmao

[atomic delta]

Biggest one I've seen is from Sonic at 44oz (1.3L)

[solar zealot]

crazy

[atomic delta]

I mean, in true capitalist tradition, they fill the thing with ice first, so you're mostly buying water with some flavoring between the solid bits.

[high remnant]

speedrun diabetes

[solar zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-sonic-fast-run-walk-gif-17514382

thats why its Sonic

[atomic delta]

Yeah, I don't really understand how some people pound sugared soda at that volume. I go there sometimes when I'm thirsty as fuck, but I get sprite zero with a sugarless flavoring added. Basically comes out as "tastes like sweet, good enough".

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/e7GMzrJ6PC0.gif

[atomic delta]

To be fair, I'm pretty disconnected from the "average" American. I wouldn't have any clue how common it really is to drink (sugared) sodas that size.

I just assume.

[high remnant]

I wouldn't know either

[iron granite]

Snic

[umbral cliff]

That is definitely not fun lol
glad its been fixed

[umbral cliff]

I prefer real sugar over fake sugar, but also even a 600ml bottle of sprite is a lot to have, let alone anything more

[high remnant]

yeah it was ✨ interesting ✨

[warm pebble]

What section is best to ask about heating systems? Added my air to water heat pump via modbus and wondering the best way of setting up Domestic Hot Water and Space Heating with a 3 way valve.

[iron granite]

#find-support

[summer charm]

Hi, I am new to Home Assistant. So far I have been using HomeBridge but my brother convinced me Home Assistant is easier to work with and has more integrations (which seems to be true). And we moved recently so good moment to start over.
My first challenge will be deciding on the general setup/architecture. Where can I best ask questions about that?

[weak musk]

#1284966540617449515

[steel pumice]

cant argue with that

that looks like a cell phone to me too

[potent orbit]

57% confidence means its squinting its eyes and anything seen while squinting is valid yes.

Just wanna say that, Home Assistant & its community is awesome. Thanks peeps for existing. ❤️

[lapis fable]

Is there anything on the Market like the Bee motion mini? I can't seem to find one and that product appears depracated. I'm basically looking for a super small like esp c3 board with a PIR on it. It would be great to find someonething like that to run WLED witht he PIR on board rather than having to wire it all up in a small package. My Soldering skills are non-existent likely due to a crap soldering iron, and the alternative of running wires to the ESP32 then to the Pir is just a bit more clunky.

[weak musk]

is the cell phone in the room with you right now

[weak musk]

#1284966353798697001 with the recommendation tag is your best bet

[hollow glacier]

@hushed sun can i pm you about zbt-2 distributor issues?

[steel pumice]

no

well I'm using a cpu based detector soo

[hushed sun]

PM me, I'll get you linked up with the right people.

[wise snow]

clearly this is not the support chat. where is the support chat? - I want to chat with other community members who may have similar issues in real time, help provide support to others while requesting support of my own instead of logging a ticket which nobody looks at for months because it's buried in some faux forum system on a platform that's specifically designed around real time communication (and that being the reason why it's typically chosen for community support and discussion of issues.) heck, I have to use search to find MY OWN thread? it's a usability nightmare, smh.

https://tenor.com/view/tv-simpsons-cloud-fist-grandpa-gif-12082744756246344299

[dusty mica]

https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913

https://tenor.com/view/we-support-each-other-assist-support-help-helping-hand-gif-15612191

[hollow glacier]

@lone dagger is the zbt-2 channel meant to stay private or is it meant for anyone to read only now? There’s a thread about migrating to zbt-2 using tube’s addons that I was trying to link someone to but they don’t have access

[dusty mica]

#the-water-cooler message Ironic

[lone dagger]

That is a private channel and will remain so. 🙂

[hollow glacier]

Thanks

[static schooner]

The first rule of the zbt-2 channel is that we don't talk about the zbt-2 channel 🙂

[weak musk]

There aren't traditional "support chat" channels. The tickets you're referring to are literally just threads for you to chat in-- so that's the best path forward for you. You can chime in and help in any of those threads-- in fact, that's what everyone is doing because we're all volunteering our time and help.

[hollow glacier]

once it was moved to archive and written out "This channel will be moved to the Read Only category so no one loses context from conversations, but if you need any help with an issue you can reach out to your Nabu Casa / Open Home Foundation contact!" i incorrectly assumed this meant it was open to the public now

[high remnant]

https://iwillnotbuynitro.com/u/fair-male-naughty-americangoldfinch.jpeg wheeeee

[peak slate]

Drift

Do a barrel roll! Press z or r twice!

[high remnant]

already did that :D

love it

ofc on clear roads

[unborn merlin]

watching someone ask on the esphome server about help putting chatgpt/esp32 bridge inside of a fucking ti-84 calculator.

Ahh its amusing watching children who are too incompetent to do anything because chatgpt can't do the hardware for them still.. 😛

[static schooner]

ChatGPT, can I haz moar RAM?

[lapis cairn]

I'm just trying to imagining them furiously hitting the keys like T9 text

[unborn merlin]

hardware problem still; sam altman's head still isn't on a pike.

[peak slate]

Lol I think I saw that project on hacker News

[static schooner]

ChatGPT, plz share RAM?

[unborn merlin]

no fuck you we need all the theoretical ram!

[static schooner]

Here's some RAM in the cloud!

[unborn merlin]

wonder if we're gonna see a future industry in like

[high remnant]

RaaS

ram as a service

[unborn merlin]

removing RAM dies from slop cards and upcycling them into regular ram or etc.

[lapis cairn]

You've just reinvented the thin client

[static schooner]

swap-to-cloud

indeed. The Network Is The Computer - Sun

[high remnant]

no!!!!

[static schooner]

At my first job, we used Wyze50 serial terminals with a text interface to a central 386 "server". No RAM required

they were the dimensions of a flat screen monitor, which otherwise didn't exist back then, but had no local processing power and were green-screen

[split acorn]

lol buy some ddr3

[static schooner]

Gotta turn frequently if you want him to cook evenly

[scenic radish]

oh no, the capacitor exploded

[static schooner]

Part of the reason that he can even lay that way is that he's so fat

[solar zealot]

He isn't fat, he is extra fluffy

[static schooner]

Other kitty came over and licked his head. It was cute

[scenic radish]

Midnight keeps licking my hair when I'm sitting on the couch

[ocean oar]

Da floof

[umbral cliff]

You weren’t kidding about using your phone when driving 😛
Not speeding though, going slow (assuming your car read the speed limit right at 100)

[minor bobcat]

The in-floor heating in my apartment is off (except bathroom). My neighbors do all the heating for me it seems lol

[weak musk]

seems like a win

[forest edge]

How to tell if the apartment below you is on fire without saying the apartment below you is on fire

[static schooner]

Why use wood or oil or gas when you can use Human Pellets

[fallow moth]

https://apnews.com/article/public-broadcasting-pbs-npr-b68f441c227ec7e076c038821b4a5931 😢

[tidal bronze]

Is this cold or hot?

[forest edge]

neither. it's sherbet

[minor bobcat]

73 ish °F inside while it's 14°F outside

Pretty warm I'd say

[tidal bronze]

Yep, above 68 is danger zone.

[minor bobcat]

Valves are closed, I gotta open windows to stay cold lol

[forest edge]

careful you are showing your age

[tidal bronze]

I don't know about that, but this waiting for my leg of lamb is killing me. How am I going to be done before 6PM with dinner?

[unborn merlin]

needs more KW of energy smh

[tidal bronze]

No KW for cooking, NG and BTU's 🙂

[unborn merlin]

clear not enough

throw KW into it

😛

[umbral cliff]

20c isn’t danger zone lol

[stuck mortar]

Forecast puts LA into the danger zone next week

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-ready-lets-go-lets-do-this-prepared-helmet-gif-14804916513894161995

[high remnant]

lower actually, i legally could do 130 iirc

[dire cobalt]

Anyone else notice you cant change input text helper settings after the fact? The UI does not show when I click on the cog...

[iron granite]

#find-support

[high remnant]

I was expecting a horror commute but there wasn't any

So I am sure I'll have tripled my commute back to home by either thinking or saying this

[umbral cliff]

Why slow? Just because of snow?

[high remnant]

its treacherous lol. Almost al of the A roads are fine except a few spots of suprise black ice

https://tenor.com/bYITE.gif

yes I legally can do 130 but maybe I should not

[forest edge]

TESLA SAVING LIVES

https://youtu.be/YXttgII1qnM?si=fkLDPK-HVb7V1q1D

[arctic quarry]

finally got one, eh?

[dusty mica]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-gif-23756243

[high remnant]

T*sla

[atomic delta]

So I haven't uploaded the video yet, but I have hit a hitch with my Litter Robot 4. One of the cats pees in it, bides his time for the seven minutes until it starts to rotate, then beats the everloving shit out of the thing, making it pause, and continues doing so for like... Half an hour every time it starts moving again.

[ocean oar]

And you haven't filmed this to show us... why?

Because that sounds hilarious

[atomic delta]

I did film it. Just haven't uploaded it yet. It will be shared.

[umbral cliff]

This just sounds like a cat being a cat

[turbid agate]

Hey team, is there anyone in here that I could speak to about one of the recent Nabu Casa job listings? I have a question about the PM job and was hoping to run it past someone before applying.

[lone dagger]

Yo, send me a DM. 🙂

[turbid agate]

Thanks @lone dagger.. couldn't DM without adding as friend first. Just shot you a FR

[rough geyser]

good afternoon folks, anyone able to help me get into the support channel? I am oold, a stroke patient, and not familiar with discord....I was in it the other day, but for some reason I can't figure out how to get in there now, this was the only chat I can entre

I see it in the sidebar, but I can't join it, it only displays a list of posts on the rigfht side

[turbid agate]

#1257019582112334014 this one?

[scenic radish]

That's for developer support

[rough geyser]

it says this is a channel I don't have access to

I'm trying to get installed in a vm and hitting a wall

[scenic radish]

You'll want to make a post in #1284966540617449515

Maybe you accidentally collapsed the support section?

[rough geyser]

so I Can't get back to the support channel I got help in the other day?

ie; live chat

[scenic radish]

the only messages I see from you in this Discord server are in this channel. Maybe you were in a different Discord server entirely?

[rough geyser]

not sure how, follwoed the link from the side panel in the subreddit /homeassistant

[fathom sparrow]

the posts are live chats.

meaning, you create a post and it's now a live chat

[rough geyser]

ok, it looks very different from the other day but that couldf have been on my sons account

I really appreciate the help

[fathom sparrow]

it's no different than this channel, howver the title of the channel is your question tailored to you

[rough geyser]

ahhhh I see, I think maybe my son did that for me then .....brain just creates problems these days lol

[rough geyser]

much appreciated petro, hopefully I'm not the first person to have this problem and I'm just not seeing the solution

[vivid wraith]

I successfully moved off of my ISP router

And somehow the only smart device that broke completely and I had to re-setup was the helper Boolean I had bridged to HomeKit in order to let HomeKit automations show my home status too. It got debridged but somehow the thermostats didn’t. Maybe because I had it hidden somehow. Honestly not sure, maybe my current config doesn’t survive device reboots I should test

But we did it!

[forest edge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/UVDJLPr2XU8?si=NtdLDI8NaBkd_2v_

[worn root]

Hello everyone, very new here and wondering where I should go in order to get help?

[static schooner]

#find-support

and the Server Guide at the very top of the channel list

[worn root]

I think I found it and adding something in Support correctly. Thanks @static schooner

[tidal bronze]

Smarty-pants 🙂

[forest edge]

should really stop trying to turn on your lights during the day

[tidal bronze]

Gemini-cli and MCP got me interested in automations again.

At least someone to listen to my crazy thoughts

[forest edge]

still waiting for a fully local hosted solution with a gui

[tidal bronze]

Not gonna happen anytime soon.

[forest edge]

i want pictures and venn diagrams

should see the browser gemini try and use ascii art to draw stuff

[split acorn]

my silly llm just hallucinates tool calls

[forest edge]

quite comical

[split acorn]

one time it just repetedly kept calling the same tool call that was literally unavailable

and i got max words 20 baked into the instructions

[tidal bronze]

Gave up on local LLM long time ago. Other than small tasks for N8N completely useless.

[split acorn]

noo just gotta fine tune those instructions

atleast the local llm is smarter than like an early alexa device like years ago

[tidal bronze]

"Smart" is s stretch.

[unborn merlin]

that is really not a high bar.

alexa has always sort of been garbage.

[tidal bronze]

Total trash

[split acorn]

prolly is backed on a 800b param model nowadays or soemthing tho

qwen 2.5 will never be as smart 🙁

[forest edge]

doesn't the newer frigate come with some kind of localized ai?

[unborn merlin]

i miss the old google assistant that.. just sorta worked

for the most part just.. worked

without bullshit.

ahhh.. the old days.

[split acorn]

yeah

[tidal bronze]

I like Gemini Vs GA. Does everything with a ding without long replies.

[unborn merlin]

and then google began making it worse and worse as the slop era continued so they can force you onto gemini and you'll actually like it because its better than the thing they purposefully sabotaged!

[forest edge]

have you tried grok yet? my friend swears it's his new best friend

[split acorn]

isnt grok the twitter one

isnt it just a troll

internet troll embodied into an llm

[unborn merlin]

its the reich llm for some people

[tidal bronze]

Meh, ChatGPT subscription also terminated. Sad breakup. Gone all Gemni now.

[split acorn]

i love gemini

[unborn merlin]

you're why sam altman tanked the ram market!

[forest edge]

well before your little cli fetish.. gemini didn't allow you to like upload your raw yaml files like chatgpt did

not sure if the newer one has an option for that or not

[tidal bronze]

Oh it did. Gem with Drive.

[forest edge]

you had to use google drive?

what kind of hoop jumping bs is that lol

[tidal bronze]

Had to?

[split acorn]

google wants all your data

[tidal bronze]

Can have it all!!!

[forest edge]

yea not using google drive for that

it can house some of my pixel 3 camera shots I take of the barn but thats about it

[tidal bronze]

Bad breakup with GPT 🤣

Was great for business law and realestate, completely slowed down and not usable anymore.

[weak musk]

not at all HA related, but can anyone recommend a USB C charger that will work on my laptop down to my phone. I'm ready for one charger to rule them all.

[atomic delta]

Just grab a 140w charger off Amazon. Baseus or Anker most likely.

[dawn badge]

I got one of THESE recently. has handled everything i have plugged in to it without issue. although its not a huge selection of stuff to be fair.

[atomic delta]

Oh, the 140w was a suggestion for a single port charger.

[dawn badge]

anker or ugreen would be my go to.

[weak musk]

I won't order anker-- the last one I owned magic smoked and almost burned

[atomic delta]

Baseus chargers are generally quite good too. The only issue I've had is with devices that can't handle a power hiccup when renegotiating USB PD after a new device has been plugged in to another port.

So... I've had one device with an issue.

[dawn badge]

thats fair, give ugreen a shot. i have had a few random devices from them and they all seem to be solid.

[peak slate]

i return back to HAOS from my supervised install

Still love how easy that is especially in a VM, get the haos image, start it, give it a backup and you're done

[hoary canyon]

Perplexity isn’t bad. Has all the major models for free for a year.

[split acorn]

thought haos was the ova

[split acorn]

meh not a fan

when do we say enough to surveilance capitalism?

[hoary canyon]

I’d be running a local LLM if the hardware wasn’t so expensive

[split acorn]

you could probably run a 7b or 8b model on a 60$ tesla p4

but ye fast and smart is kinda hard to accomplish

for cheap

diffusion is insanely taxing on the vram

24gb vram is just under the minimum 🙁

think i might be going for 2x tesla v100 16gb

they keep going cheaper and cheaper

[peak slate]

There's a .img for it that following the instructions I found gets you a .raw disk

Which not my favorite compared to .qcow2 but I know there are some shell commands to convert that if I want to deal with that

[unborn merlin]

its a lot of stolen IP it has to load!

[tidal bronze]

Anker

[tidal bronze]

Very happy with Gemini and Gems. Google can have all my money anyway. 🙂

[split acorn]

anker?

sounds like shilling for anker lmao.

any 125w turbocharger would suffice

[tidal bronze]

Not brand loyal just good.

Way past the "any" age 🙂

[unborn merlin]

🤔

reminds me I should grab some of the LTT usb cables when theyre out.. because if anywhere near as decently put tgoether as their other products maybe my cord won't kill itself as frequently when chargin.. 😄

[tidal bronze]

Yikes CES2026 just nuts!

[unborn merlin]

i wonder if they showed any prices with the new lovely ram upcharges..

🙃

[tidal bronze]

Too many stupid things.

[unborn merlin]

man.. one day maybe we'll see sam altmans head on a pike

[tidal bronze]

Ahh everything will balance out in time.

[unborn merlin]

nah.

those prices are not gonna come back down

not all the way at least

why the fuck would they?

[tidal bronze]

RAM would be the least important in grand scheme of things

[split acorn]

lol i got a cheap ol lenovo chromebook, and i think the 125w charger that it came with was more expensive than the actual chromebook

[unborn merlin]

i mean more expensive to you maybe.

[split acorn]

got more use out of the charger than the chromebooks thats for sure

[unborn merlin]

SMPS are.. not really terribly expensive

brand name chargers tho? they've got the "eat shit" charge included.

[split acorn]

nah ram prices will balance out

[tidal bronze]

Anker was not a brand name years ago. It's the ask

[split acorn]

might start getting a bit cheaper in 2028

i assuming production begins lates 2027. maybe sometime in 2028 prices will dip

[unborn merlin]

production where?

[split acorn]

samsung

hynix

idk

i mean cmon yknow how much money they will be making when they start production again??

[unborn merlin]

there is no magic wand to make prices go back down

[split acorn]

they will be profitting from the prices they drove up themselves

so yeah if production ramps up again in 27, we might start seeing prices go down a bit in 28 sometime

that is not magic

[tidal bronze]

Time to put that RAM money on MU

[split acorn]

i only cashed out my ddr3

im holding my ddr4 foreverrrrr

[unborn merlin]

or.

or..

They could keep the prices up

and keep the profit

because eat shit.

[split acorn]

so like... no more ddr4 production and only ddr5?

[tidal bronze]

Good times.

[split acorn]

good times

micron needs silver to make products

china needs silver to make products

everyone needs silver to make products

[tidal bronze]

I don't do silver gold. Tech Pharma FTW

[split acorn]

silver and gold is tied to tech industry in many ways

but okaaay

supermicro stock is like really low right now

i bought some nutanix at its peak and now im down like 40$ a share 😭

i dont make good tech stock calls

i think nutanix has a good future ahead of it tho 😄

[tidal bronze]

Novo Nordisk is what's up. With GLP-1 tablets. 🙂

Few more months and Eli Lilly

[hollow orbit]

anyone here running kokoro-fastapi-gpu image on docker? if yes, what's your disk usage for that image when you run docker images. mine is using 22GB and im thinking...how??

[vivid wraith]

i always read stuff like this and just get paranoid forever even though it was 6 years ago https://community.home-assistant.io/t/asuswrt-component-causing-network-congestion-intermittent-ping-spikes/88450

need to erase from my mind

https://tenor.com/view/yoga-pug-stretch-gif-11412131

[steel pumice]

aw man

[small dome]

If you have a net-consumption CT installed use Envoy <serial> Lifetime net energy consumption and Envoy <serial> Lifetime net energy production (with energy dashboard).

[minor bobcat]

Ikea delivery set for 2pm according to their tracking they are 50 min away from me. Suspicious

https://tenor.com/view/zaunvi-caitvitwt-gif-1251875630135871970

[forest edge]

they have to let the glue fully dry

[minor bobcat]

I sure hope there's no glue involved in a metal standing desk frame

[forest edge]

its ikea.. there is always glue involved

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/hope-gif-19238353

[minor bobcat]

Table legs come looking like they've been to a rodeo and the bull won

[sinful plinth]

I was wondering what happens when I have everything enabled in the Analytics tab and then use a custom made integration that only I use. Will that still show up in the statistics?
Cause I'm too lazy ||/ stupid|| to upload it to the HACS

[minor bobcat]

Let's go

[sinful plinth]

Good luck!

[stuck mortar]

Looks like you’re missing the glue packet

[vivid wraith]

I just assembled my uplift desk

Speaking of it has a smart Bluetooth module with no official home assistant integration but I’m not sure what I would do with a desk height integration anyway lmao

[hollow orbit]

has anyone implemented or seen any projects which make home assistant documentation available to an LLM? such as through an MCP server?

[stuck mortar]

Desk height tracking is so that you can feel bad about yourself for not standing enough

[vivid wraith]

lmao

I made a router and ping device tracker for my phone, today I just need to make an additional gps device tracker out of the home/away Boolean I have Apple HomeKit setting since that one seems pretty reliable and then I should be off to the races on home presence detection

[stuck mortar]

Perfect, then you’ll have even more info about when you should have been standing at your desk

[vivid wraith]

Speaking of I still need to finish running wires for that desk and install my speakers

[stuck mortar]

I’ve been tempted to add an upsy desky for tracking and control of my desk, but same issue- I don’t see why I should bother

[vivid wraith]

Uplift has an official Bluetooth thing so it likely wouldn’t be too hard to get that one working https://www.upliftdesk.com/bluetooth-adapter-for-uplift-desk/?srsltid=AfmBOooBUcRg0mYOZBtevE2JDDGQKalo-aaFphbTTCAnF9aZHo9Ca0-M

today is release day for monthly HA 😮

My first since initial setup

[steel pumice]

does anyone even think 67 is funny here

anyways man im enjoying frigate rn

sad im too broke to buy a google coral

cpu detection is fine for me tbh

[minor nexus]

any zigbee keypad lock owners here? need some help testing an integration (https://github.com/raman325/lock_code_manager) - if you are interested shoot me a DM and I can help you get it up and running, thanks!

[frank ember]

Hi everyone. I just today got a home assistant green + the zigbee adaptor.

I have connected some innr bulbs to the network. But others are too far away. What do I do to increase the range of connectivity?

Would this work?

[dusty mica]

place extenders like bulbs or plugs in between, otherwise create thread in https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284966617670881350

[steel pumice]

NO

[scenic radish]

i think it's funny how annoyed some people get because of it lol

[frank ember]

Oh interesting. So the bulbs can increase the range themselves?

[mortal walrus]

yeah, most permanently powered zigbee devices will relay messages to other devices in order to build a connected mesh network. (also applies to Thread, and some versions of ZWave - tho ZWave is longer range to start with and has a special "long range" version to allow talking directly to far away devices)

[minor bobcat]

You might have to re-pair the further away ones.
You'll get more info in #1284966617670881350

[frank ember]

I added a bulb to an inbetween space to the next room I intended initially. But it's still too far it seems

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/racc-chad-cute-gif-27189629

here you'll get

[mortal walrus]

can be other issues like wifi interference too. start a thread in #1284966617670881350 for more help.

[steel pumice]

at least no 67

I don't get how 67 is "funny"

just because a kid said it on camera

[last cedar]

Raccoons > 67

Change my mind

[steel pumice]

no need to

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-raccoon-hail-king-crown-gif-15551856

[steel pumice]

welp me cheap smart switch broke

time to get a new one

[last cedar]

I am always (apart from parasoll) very impressed by Ikeas zigbee stuff @steel pumice

Hopefully their matter stuff will have the same effect

[steel pumice]

gotta turn on and off the lights by the breaker for now

[steel pumice]

yez sam

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[last cedar]

Damn, that isn't good, breakers are not meant to do that

Can quickly wear them out

[steel pumice]

oh boy

never knew that

uhh okay time to replace em tomorrow I guess

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-wtf-gif-25758871

[last cedar]

I mean, if you are doing it on a lightly loaded circuit now and then it will not mind a lot, but you get arcing, and obviously mechanical wear and tear

You are meant to reset them unloaded, really

[scenic radish]

6, 7 times probably wouldn't be an issue though

[last cedar]

I agree

I had a rcd fail after about 5 trips though, not a great advert for Hager

We had dodgy wiring in the appartment, and also you are supposed to test them regularky

I tested it once and the bloody thing wouldn't reset, was broke inside

[dusty mica]

read last day that ikea matter products can be switched to zigbee too.

[last cedar]

I believe that is only the new lights, and the.... remote control? Bilresa?

It wasn't all their new lineup

[dusty mica]

not sure, but if, 12 powercycles forces zigbee pairing mode

ah, products with Qorvo QPG6200L radio chip. remotes and bulbs only

[stuck mortar]

6-7 is like magnets. No one knows how it works

[arctic quarry]

me in my low teens: OMFG IT'S 13:37
others: ?!

[robust flicker]

31337 h4x br0

[arctic quarry]

exactly

are you 1337 or a 14m3r

[robust flicker]

one of my very first IRC nicks was: D1G174L15 ...... and then later i started using: zex0s.. just so we're fully aware of how old I really am. lol

that was, ohhhh 1993 or so

[arctic quarry]

beat me by a year, I only got on IRC in 94

[robust flicker]

hehe.

[arctic quarry]

dial-up costs were murder until Compuserve launched their toll-free number in Sweden ||and didn't verify credit card numbers||

[robust flicker]

by the end of 94, I was an irc op in #mircscripts on undernet..

[arctic quarry]

origin story deep lore ❤️

[robust flicker]

I liked "hiding" the fact I had my @. W never op'd me automatically, and any kick/ban I did was through it, and without mentioned me. Only myself and a select few really knew who I was there. You may or may not remember the mirc script named "Stealth Advanced" ... that was mine.

[arctic quarry]

haha shit

actual deep lore

[robust flicker]

I also wrote a version of it for pirch, but it didnt take off.

[arctic quarry]

I wasn't like massively into mIRC scripts but

lol pirch

the vim / emacs dichotomy except instead of emacs it's like Ultraedit or smth

[robust flicker]

Yeah. pirch was weird. But it was actually more powerful with regards to scripting, just didn't have enough support, sadly.

[arctic quarry]

mIRC got insane mainstream traction out of nowhere

[robust flicker]

yep. it was the irc client on windows.

[arctic quarry]

I had kids in class whose only internet activity was mIRC and ICQ

[robust flicker]

UH OH

[arctic quarry]

barely even opened a browser lol

[robust flicker]

I can't remember my icq number, and no longer have access to the email used to create it.

[arctic quarry]

1258697

fuck

[robust flicker]

hell, that domain doesn't even exist anymore: zebra.net 😛

ZN was a small, local dialup ISP, founded in Mobile, AL around the mid 1990s. I was their 29th paying customer, and as a result, I sweet-talked the guys into a static IP. on dialup. 🙂

[arctic quarry]

aww damn

[robust flicker]

They folded up shop not long after, as everyone and their brother started ditching dialup for broadband options.

[tidal bronze]

Brings back memories 🙂

[robust flicker]

Yeah. To this day, I still wonder about some of the people I "knew" back then, and what they're doing today.

[tidal bronze]

Like people you gave directions to? lol

I still have ICQ notification sounds in my notification folder.

[robust flicker]

There was this one guy, who went by the name of Cybertron. We even shared our -actual- phone numbers at one point, and played RA and Duke3D over modem. Long distance telephone bills. I don't miss those!

He was good at duke, but I wiped the floor with him in RA. He wasn't aggressive enough, and I either swarmed him with migs or badgers, depending on who I was playing as.

He would constantly just turtle up, and yet, never defend his miners. LMAO

no miners = no money. No money = no units. 🙂

"F'R QUIT KILLING MY MINERS" ... "make me." 🙂

[arctic quarry]

ok I interpreted RA as Red Alert but I think I might have forgotten the unit names now

[iron granite]

Mammoth tank, Chronosphere, Tanja,...

Tesla coils

[arctic quarry]

getting my wires crossed with C&C I think

and also we migrated to TA pretty quick so

Krogoth be like "make way, insects"

[haughty helm]

I just setup Music Assistant. I'm impressed. Anyone who uses Home Assistant and is looking for a great way to play music should take a look.

[last cedar]

Lots of people seem to be very happy with it, @haughty helm!

[alpine vigil]

Anyone else catch the release announcement? I caught it at the last minute.

[solar zealot]

i was about to ask "where update"

and then the update showed up

[vivid wraith]

I should stick a few more outside cameras around my house

Update available

I should stick my router and home assistant on a ups

[weak musk]

yes

[weak musk]

yes

[weak musk]

yes

[vivid wraith]

I bought my first house and my todo list is like infinity

[scenic radish]

|| yes ||

[vivid wraith]

lol I didn’t even know there was a home dashboard since it wasn’t one of the default tabs on the side

[scenic radish]

|| 6 7 ||

[stuck mortar]

||magnets||

[steel pumice]

come on bro it's 2026

[scenic radish]

ur 2026

[forest edge]

you saying they are new and fresh?

[atomic delta]

2026 is barely a week old and it's already a shitshow.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/positive-vibes-positive-quotes-positive-thoughts-positivity-successful-gif-12874894393119446775

[split acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-1750056094467610487

[vivid wraith]

The last 7 came out of nowhere

[crisp oriole]

➜ ~ nano config/configuration.yaml
➜ ~ nano config/scripts.yaml
➜ ~ ha core restart
⣾ Processing...

[crisp oriole]

i have a plan to save the world.

[stuck mortar]

7th day of 2026 —> 2026-7

In short, 6-7

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/random-diaf-die-in-a-fire-gif-8054146

cannot believe how cheap obd2 scanners have gotten

[split acorn]

shit ones have always been at walmart

[atomic delta]

I just use a cheapass Bluetooth one with AndrOBD. A little $15 one has seen me through the last decade or so.

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/b14Ic7t45lg?si=rIQh4O0QE7zcXPLd

like how abnormally wide the demo stairs are

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/vim-vi-quit-vim-quit-vi-exit-vi-gif-10245021584139731795

[hoary canyon]

What’s the appeal of vim, I’ve tried both various times and personally prefer nano while most seem to prefer vim

Just curious, maybe I’m not using it right

[forest edge]

something for people who use to run unsupervised core ha

[scenic radish]

Honestly I switched to vim when I started tinkering more with hardware since vi is pretty much installed everywhere but nano isn't

For basic text editing, nano is fine, but I'm pretty sure I'd struggle to use nano now lol

Not that I'm an expert with vim though

[hoary canyon]

ah that makes sense, I hardly ever use nano/vim/other cli editors so I guess it just makes more sense to me. I googled some stuff and saw that vim allows keyboard shortcuts which makes sense for frequent users of CLI editors

[stuck mortar]

One of my workflows is to delete the contents of a file and paste my clipboard (replacing scripts over multiple layers of shell where I don’t have scp). I’ve got those vim commands memorized

Otherwise nano is fine. Emacs was my personal go to for a long time but vim is everywhere and emacs is, uh, not

[ocean oar]

That is what I always tell people. If you're going to sysadmin, you want to know two important things
a) How to survive in the most minimal sh shell imaginable, because it definitely won't be the zsh you're used to, and it most likely won't be bash either. There won't be history, there may not even be editing of the current line of input.
b) How to use (to at least some extent) the least-functional vi implementation you've ever seen, that absolutely won't have bourgeoisie features like undo/redo, and might not even tell you if it's in insert mode or not.
I've met too many people who just throw their hands up (one even had a borderline temper tantrum) because they had no idea how to function without the tools they were used to.
You don't have to torture yourself by doing these things all the time, but when life gives you lemons it's important to at least know how to work the juicer, y'know?

[scenic radish]

I haven't had the (dis)pleasure of using emacs 🤣

[stuck mortar]

Except one system where they only have plain vi

[glacial knot]

nano is fine for minor edits. Vim is great for semi-serious work in constrained situations 🤷

at some point it's just habits

[hoary canyon]

This makes a lot of sense, I only use cli text editors for minor edits a lot of the time

most of my stuff is in the UI

[scenic radish]

I'm so used to the vim command line that I can't even use nano anymore

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stupid-younger-generation-young-old-pissed-gif-5068746

[glacial knot]

yea. If you only ever do a couple of minor changes it's perfectly adequate
I've had to deal with systems where echo cat and sed are all you get. Then nano is godsent

[scenic radish]

Oh dear god

[glacial knot]

well, I also had grep but you get the idea

[ocean oar]

That seems excessive. If you have sed why do you need grep also? 😛

[glacial knot]

though at that point you should just cat the file, copy+paste into a local editor and then paste back into a huge echo in the end
not that I would realize that in the situation

[glacial knot]

Because it was used in some scripts on the system 🤷 it wasn't intended for human shell users

[stuck mortar]

Ask for dd, then you can overwrite the boot disk with /dev/random and find a better job

System I was on today provides a terrible putty terminal (over rdp), and the settings make it such that arrow keys don’t work in Python cli. Which is less than awesome when you’re debugging Python

And numpad doesn’t work in vim

[glacial knot]

That was back in university
And I like embedded-ish systems 🤷

Also, nothing more than cat and a shell required to copy /dev/urandom into /dev/mmcblk0

[atomic delta]

If you don't use dd casually for generating padding to cat onto another file, are you even trying?

[austere anchor]

Vim is also great for very serious work. I’m a full-time Vim (and Neovim) user.

[ocean oar]

I use dd to copy files to slow flash drives sometimes, because oflag=sync makes the system not turn into a laggy mess when write buffering gets in the way, and for some reason ruins things less overall than remounting the drive with the sync option

Lessons learned from re-flashing firmware on switches that inexplicably entirely fail to recognise USB 3 flash drives and have to use a USB 2 one

[atomic delta]

I use it for chopping up files and repadding them as needed. Which it occurs to me is a really rare need outside certain circles.

[glacial knot]

Trusting USB3 😂

I used to keep a USB 2 extension cable around for good reasons...

[atomic delta]

Never had USB3 problems on Linux. Never had USB storage that wasn't dogshit on Windows.

[forest edge]

what do you mean dogshit

[gusty citrus]

Anyone tried to add the new BILRESA and MYGGSPRAY devices from IKEA to HA through Google Nest Hub Max as the border router but have it fail spectacularly?

[arctic quarry]

ok I have to point out how funny it is to see random Swedish words in chat

"anyone tried to add the new CAR TRIP and MOSQUITO REPELLANT devices..."

[forest edge]

whats swedish about that

[glacial knot]

Oh, we had issues with bioses and USB3
Linux is mostly fine

I think the worst we had was one that cannot boot with any USB3 device connected

[atomic delta]

The only issue I've encountered isn't a software one. USB3 devices produce 2.4GHz interference, so if you plug in a Bluetooth, 2.4GHz wifi, ZigBee, or thread adapter you can have signal issues unless you use an extension.

[forest edge]

then why the dogshit comment?

[atomic delta]

I meant on Linux. Windows USB filesystem handling is laughably bad. Especially if you use anything that isn't exFAT.

[forest edge]

I haven't noticed any issues

only issues I have ever ran into where it was linux vs windows was one of those super sketchy chinese usb drives that linux would pick up but windows wouldn't but I don't blame the os for that

was more likely the chipset because it was two seperate machines

but in the end it was the shitty usb drive

[atomic delta]

Speed issues, faking completed transfers in the foreground while continuing to write in the background, corruption in some cases (usually on a non-traditional fs), huge CPU spikes while attempting writes, but bear in mind my experience is of moving multiple terabytes of files at once.

[glacial knot]

Oh yea, I used to work with all kinds of "cheapest thing money can buy" computers
The type of anomalies you find...

[forest edge]

windows generally has a lot more background stuff going on so if you are taxing a pc while transfering crap I could see that introducing some issues

I haven't updated to the latest win 11 version yet cause of some of the crap I read about in terms of the active history or whatever that is

[atomic delta]

Oh win 11 is special

[glacial knot]

Ehh, Linux also uses the block layer cache a lot ok transfers to slow storage

Depending on which method you use it's utterly opaque

I hate it on my davfs mount for the fastmail cloud storage

I've considered getting some VPS in their geo for latency optimized chaining...

[forest edge]

oh I didn't look at the original post, just what you posted

[glacial knot]

Now I wonder
How hard would it be to build a uml based file system driver for windows?
So that it might actually gain support for more than 3 or so

[forest edge]

ugh study showed that more than 20% of all youtube videos that show up on your feed is ai slop

think I saw somewhere else that 2025's most money generated videos were mostly ai slop as well

[dawn badge]

yeah, I can believe that. its definitely an issue.

[forest edge]

been seeing more and more commercials created with ai. you can just tell ai still

[dawn badge]

tech people can. the issue is in market research with the general population it has the same level of effectiveness

reconsidering setting up an auto downloader for subscriptions instead of using youtube site. I considered doing this kind of thing before but YouTube's power has always been its "discovery" but they are ruining it.

[forest edge]

gonna suck when I can no longer tell the diffrence

I like the concept of ai generated video because it empowers those who wouldn't be able to make their vision come to life any other way but to replace everything even simple stuff is annoying

[dawn badge]

using it as a tool to help is not the problem.
its people autogenerating random shit constantly. it doesn't matter if its right or wrong they are just shotgun approaching stuff. something might hit.

[forest edge]

oh yea the youtube stuff is certianly an issue and has been for a bit now and it's only getting worse

surprised youtube hasn't tried to police it any

[dawn badge]

currently they are making money from it being a thing it seems. but they are trading their societal credit. the more they do it the more credibility they loose and the more credibility they loose the less attractive they are for advertisers. so they will run it down and when it becomes less profitable they will make big sweeping changes in a way that will probably hurt everyone further.
Then be supprised pikachu when it doesnt help and they have to listen to people.

[forest edge]

they will just tag videos as ai

[dawn badge]

they will have to do something soon about the mass slop uploads because of storage issues.

if theses no policing then just add data to videos using steganography. that just look like random slop. and unlock infinite storage.

integration incoming for youtube as a HA backup target pretending to be a slop video...

[forest edge]

oh ai slop background images/video for tablet running HA

https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2024/11/weather-slop-4-1024x1024.jpg

[unborn merlin]

whats that?

attach vs code? 😄

[glacial knot]

Yea. The vscode.vim plugin makes it usable 🙂

[steel pumice]

that is NOT a cellphone

69 better than 67

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/t5PGB8YJaQM.gif

[frank ember]

Has anyone used Aqara W600 with HA running Zigbee2MQTT? I simply cannot get these idiots to join my network

[iron granite]

#find-support

[frank ember]

I don't really know what category this issue falls under

[steel pumice]

wow so rich if yall using aqara products

while me using tuya ones

[iron granite]

#1284966617670881350

[balmy belfry]

Quick Question that probarbly doesn't need to be in #360726982251642880; Does HA use all the RAM you give it? I had it set to 3GiB and it was uisng 90% so I bumped it to 4GiB and it imedilty jumped to using 90% again.

[silent dove]

The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re "just asking a question", you're asking for support. Head to https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 to help you find where you should post your question. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

[dawn badge]

https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
if you want to discuss further start a thread in #1284966540617449515

[balmy belfry]

thanks, that answers my question. Consuming so much Ram at essentially idle just isn't something I see from my other vms so I got a bit alarmed

[last cedar]

It is just a conspiracy by big RAM to make you buy more RAM

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-pc-ram-johnny-mnemonic-gif-7310302748509028834

[steel pumice]

hell yeah

[high remnant]

nothing irritates me more than software promoting me with “would you like X? enable now or enable later” where is the option to never ask me that again, EVER??

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-man-no-man-no-gif-7347715096894588969

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-24341837

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-english-rowan-atkinson-secret-agent-comedy-spy-workingtitlefilms-gif-14893270

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/lipstick-mr-bean-gif-10397492

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-english-rowan-atkinson-secret-agent-comedy-spy-workingtitlefilms-gif-14893285

[high remnant]

also that is some really crisp gif LOL