the-water-cooler

[arctic quarry]

the less Rogan, the more happy

[fresh bramble]

Yep

[arctic quarry]

Yep

[unborn merlin]

probably text hidden on the page that explicitly says "Do not scrape me"

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge I guess this is country!

[normal moon]

Hello brown marmorated stink bug, nemesis of winemakers everywhere

[static schooner]

Is that the Little Gem that they grill?

This bug right here, grilled with cilantro vinaigrette

[fresh bramble]

was gonna run this on a docker but as soon as i realized i can't do tailscale funnel with that i have now moved over to a vm

struggling with it

[static schooner]

BTW, weird place for some antique reel-to-reel recording equipment

[fresh bramble]

i was gonna try virtmanager but that shit the bed

imma try virtual box

[forest edge]

you mean like how everything is real and not just fake plastic replicas like you have at home? then yes

btw that bug is not for your snacking

[fresh bramble]

if you eat a stinkbug would your life become that one spongebob episode

https://tenor.com/view/stinky-bad-breath-breath-spoon-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4550340

[tidal bronze]

There was some deer roadside in the morning, got me thinking.

[forest edge]

thinking of stopping and just eating it raw?

[tidal bronze]

I can do south like this. Chicken liver pate! Now we are going places.

[forest edge]

that liver pudding?

[tidal bronze]

So good. Never expected to find this in a small town down in TN. I am the happiest

45 minutes for a table was well worth it

[forest edge]

that is nasty

[tidal bronze]

Fried spicy okra and crispy leeks! Like I never left LA ❤️

I have never been this excited to be down in middle earth

[forest edge]

why do you just eat onion rings like a normal person

[ocean oar]

Is it pate with some sort of wine jelly on top? That is my favourite style

[tidal bronze]

Yes it is.

[static schooner]

okra is a useful, but weird vegetable. kinda slimy, but is key to gumbo 🙂

not really a fan of it by itself

[tidal bronze]

Gumbo hell no, this is just deep cried with some hot chilli dusting with a kick at the end.

[static schooner]

typical southern fair

[forest edge]

looks like it is served on some kids homework paper too

[tidal bronze]

Couldn't be more LA than this.

[forest edge]

why don't you tell them how LA they are so they can take you out back and remind you that you ain't in smogsville anymore

[static schooner]

I wonder if they're big city folks who came home to bring some culture to the po' folk

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge improve KC like this and I will come around 😅

None of that mash gravy crap

[forest edge]

pretty sure you can find fried okra combined with fried leeks anywhere

hell can get fried okra at many fast food places for that matter lol

liver pudding with that kind of bread.. not so much. sure there is a few places still trying to oversell that crap but that style of liver is not so common

[steel pumice]

yellow

why is it quiet around herer

[static schooner]

raccoons have to sleep at some point

[unborn merlin]

the facebook bot posted?

and chased people away?

[peak slate]

Hey that's the kind of mean my cats like!

[weak musk]

We’re waiting for a dongle update

[steel pumice]

still stuck in here

URGH I should've not bought items from overseas

it's even worse if you're impatient

[steel pumice]

fair point

[umbral cliff]

Lots of tracking out of china when it’s the cheaper services don’t have detailed tracking
So you won’t see anything until it arrives in your home country

[unborn merlin]

may be on the slowboat.. depends

tho that says airport

so its probably waiting for a batch of shipments to build up before going

[steel pumice]

ah well at least it's marked as "departed from China"

[steel pumice]

if it's going on a ship
it should say smth similar to this

[unborn merlin]

doesn't mean all tracking sites will always give that much granularity

[steel pumice]

yeah guess you're right

[mint summit]

can't believe I only just found out that reolink issued a firmware update allowing their RLC-8* series camera to use H264 on 4K

about time lol

[unborn merlin]

I mean.. sort of? 🤷‍♂️

if you're doing 4k these days.. you really should probably be using x265..

[tidal bronze]

I did and she went

[mint summit]

eh, I'm willing to trade compute for storage

[unborn merlin]

modern CPUs can just transcode that shit with almost no cost 🤷‍♂️

[mint summit]

you mean 4K h265 to h264?

[unborn merlin]

if need be.

but also handling it doesnt cost almost anything to modern stuff.

[mint summit]

it costs a lot??

[unborn merlin]

and smaller files is.. probably significant on 4k 😄

[mint summit]

I don't know what supercomputer you are using lol

but transcoding 4k h265 to h264 in real time is very costly

[ocean oar]

Average 12th-or-later gen Intel iGPU can do about a half dozen of those in realtime in parallel on a single digit number of Watts

Fookin' expensive to do it at archival quality on a CPU, but at streaming quality on a GPU, piece of cake

[dawn badge]

didn't they skip the encoders/decoders on some lower end cheaper cpus? because of the licencing costs I believe?

[ocean oar]

Probably. Sounds like an Intel thing to do

[dawn badge]

AV1 (and upcoming AV2) is gunna be the future everywhere because of it being an open standard.

There was an article on it the other day, Netflix is already up to 30% apparently which was a lot higher than I expected tbh.

[forest edge]

think you meant

https://tenor.com/view/beating-up-beat-up-gang-attack-fight-back-jaxson-ryker-gif-14720264

[mint summit]

yeah, I'm running on an i5-8500T (iGPU used for hardware accel)

so not the same experience lol

[scenic radish]

i just upgraded from an i5-7500T to an i5-12500T and it felt like a leap into the future

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-wheel-family-guy-steroids-gif-27506471

[dawn badge]

5 years or so of improvements is probably gunna have a feel to it yeah...

[scenic radish]

Hexacore go brrrrrrrrrr

[jagged moon]

I swapped out a few older iot things in my house (a smart outlet and a few bulbs) to move to matter so my apple stuff and my homeassistant rig I’m transitioning to could both reach it.

Neither can reach it.

They join the network but nothing can find them, then though wifi isolation is disabled, snooping is enabled, they are all on the same 2.4ghz network, the nanoleaf app and the Apple home app can other get them any farther than joining the wifi network, which they claim it wasn’t able to do even though my router sees them on the network and pulling data off WAN for NTP (and firmware updates checks in the case of the outlet, which I wasn’t pleased about). Homeassistant had. No better luck.

What am I missing?

[forest edge]

does this look like product support to you?

[unborn merlin]

... do you have ipv6 enabled?

matter esp on wifi is ipv6 exclusive. 😛

that was an annoying discovery to find when I tried to setup some bulbs.. with the goddamn google wifi pucks.. using the google home app.. that apparently doesnt pre-check for the ipv6 setting or auto-enable it. 🙃

[jagged moon]

Here’s some eggnog. The secret ingredient is fuckoff.

Fact is you guys know more about this shit than anywhere else on the net I’m likely to find help

[forest edge]

pulled straight for your problem devices it sounds hehe

[jagged moon]

Yea I do have v6. I’m not finding a lot of thread based stuff anymore so these will have to do

[unborn merlin]

ignore him; he's the server local braindead boomer

🙃

but yeah probably make a more specific support thread as that was my only thought..

[static schooner]

in #1284966617670881350

[jagged moon]

I was considering that but it seems like it’s not strictly a homeassistant issue, more like a matter issue or a ran’s-lan-is-cursed,man kind of thing.

So if you couldn’t help, you guys were likely to at least know where to go to find help.

[static schooner]

You will find mire help in #1284966617670881350

[forest edge]

matter is weird. I had to use an official app for the first attempt in order to get the credentials to even pass. using something like the HA matter server would connect but would not hand shake till after I did the hoop jumping the first time then worked fine after, even reconnecting etc

after seeing that the matter offered less data then just wifi I chucked it

[dawn badge]

I get the feeling that some manufacturers think that its in their interest for matter to fail.

if matter fails they can go back to dependence on them. just in case they want more money so they can resell you the device you already have to make it continue to work.

[forest edge]

well to be fair adding a matter device through the open source matter server is not really the same as how paid products handle that stuff

since the device would connect to the network just fine but not create the node suggest there was some slight diffrence in how the two handled the process

till the credintials got passed at least

[dawn badge]

and there in lies the problem i guess.

[forest edge]

the lack of features is also a sign of trying to stay as compatible as possible (blind folded dagger toss guess)

[dawn badge]

yeah "basic functionality" though open protocol but if you want to "unlock the power of the device" you need to log into their app.

[forest edge]

yea if it weren't for all the hard work by other people that certianly would be the case for many products

[dawn badge]

then in a couple of years time.
"the old devices are not compatible with the latest matter standard so in a recent update we are disabled it but you can subscribe to our app to keep using your device"

[forest edge]

my midea ac unit control through matter looked to me like it had voice control through like google or something in mind

[dawn badge]

wasn't there a discussion recently where some company turned off z-wave in a firmware update?
it still used it under the hood but could only talk to their "hub" people pointed out that this made it non-compliant and they said. "oh right year about that" then removed z-wave from its spec sheet. and removed the certification badge.

[forest edge]

lol

[dawn badge]

they dropped cortication instead of making it compliant

[forest edge]

if you think about some of this stuff through their side. it all costs them money to do. if the product isn't yielding the worth then in those instances I can kind of see the reasoning

one of my friends works for one of those sports online gambling things so he is constantly going on about having to do crap not just to work with windows but mac and android blah blah

said if it weren't for AI helping to track down bugs the job would be way harder

[dawn badge]

I know entirely too much about the gambling industry and their websites. I am banned from pretty much every bookmaker in the UK.

their websites do all sorts of BS to make you loose money.

[forest edge]

well it wasn't just about all of that. there was a crap ton of specifications that were placed by laws etc that had to be implemeneted and work flawless without fail

he started out working on the geofencing part. said that was a nightmare in itself lol

[dawn badge]

oh yeah we have a bunch of regulations too but they still do random shit afaik. its been a few years since I actively used them.

[forest edge]

I don't know what hoops have to be jumped for zwave but I imagine it's not something super simple and has to be addressed with any firmware update etc

[spark gazelle]

New here...where do I go if I'm struggling with an integration. Specifically roborock is now not working and hasn't fucked up like this before

[forest edge]

#1284966582375813201

[dawn badge]

#1284966582375813201 but be sure you are fully updated. roborock has had some issues and some fixes were in latest update.

[spark gazelle]

ty guys

[glacial knot]

Dating apps dont' want us to find love

Tell us about your interests
Home Automation is not an option

[solar zealot]

[forest edge]

i mean. its doing humanity a favor keeping your spread down

[glacial knot]

I was about to look up that word

[atomic delta]

Oh goodie, I get to investigate integrations for another dozen+ companies so I can find a local-only outdoor smart plug. This step never stops being annoying...

[glacial knot]

Urgh, outdoor

[atomic delta]

Still, nothing to be done about it. It's an inherent part of the process.

[glacial knot]

nono, just stay inside

[atomic delta]

Lol

[dawn badge]

just put a shelly behind a standard outdoor plug and call it a day.

[atomic delta]

That's... Tempting.

[atomic delta]

It's for Christmas lights. Parents asked for a timer. I was immediately offended by the prospect of having another detached device with an analog timer I had to manage.

[dawn badge]

although if the plug is ever used for something with an inductive load e.g. a motor/pump then a perma install of a device with a relay would be a bad idea mind.

[forest edge]

the kasa KP400 is nice

i don't know if newer version still offer local only but the older ones did

[dawn badge]

boo, don't buy tp-link

[forest edge]

hey the older stuff is fine

the tp link switches aren't bad either

network switches

[dawn badge]

until they push firmware updates.
now sure you can technically have it preblocked and onboard without the app but its a load of pain.

[forest edge]

actually both smart and network. i have a tp link smart switch thats been doing well for a few years now

[glacial knot]

though I'd probably wire up something without a plug and then make sure that's outdoor save.Maybe with questionable amounts of epoxy

[glacial knot]

Oi! I like my Omada gear

[dawn badge]

yeah i mostly "boo" towards kasa/tapo smarthome stuff from them. i still have a poe switch from them thats been fine tbh.

[forest edge]

German ingenuity?

[minor bobcat]

My boss still thinks TP-Link isn't from China

[forest edge]

some companies can really skew that line

[glacial knot]

Nah

[dawn badge]

plan is to replace it because i need to replace with a 2.5gbe poe switch but its part of a larger transition which has totally stalled cos i cant buy ram for stuff i need to buy ram for.

[forest edge]

local headquarters/factories etc

[minor bobcat]

I really really had to convince him to get a Mikrotik switch rather than tp-link

[forest edge]

off at a premium in cost bump

00of

[minor bobcat]

It's the backbone of our production, no switch, no printing lol

[glacial knot]

is considering a Wifi7 AP with 10G PoE even though nothing else in the stack does 10G

I mainly wanted a site wide management solution that's not enterprise
That doesn't leave that many options

[solar zealot]

Sounds like unifi, but their stuff isn't even consumer ready

[glacial knot]

We use a bunch of unifi at work. It's ok

Probably slightly nicer than TP-Link's Omada.

I just don't like them much

[solar zealot]

I use some of it at home, it took them years to get it working acceptably

[atomic delta]

Should be fine there. I think I'll grab a Shelly 1 Gen4. Though it doesn't seem like that'd really be an issue unless it's a big load anyway.

[glacial knot]

Though I also have my own edge-rouer stuff. So I mostly block "smart" devices from internet access

makes me less worried about who makes them

[dawn badge]

to be fair, in the worst case. the fire is at least outside...

[atomic delta]

Well, inside an outside wall.

[glacial knot]

I need to put the shelly in my wall later today...

[dawn badge]

had to think for a moment but then... "oh right US housing made of sticks and paper"

[atomic delta]

I mean, timber, sheetrock, and stucco in our case.

[atomic delta]

Huh.

Supported load types

Resistive (incandescent bulbs, heating appliances)

Capacitive (capacitor banks, electronic equipment, motor starting capacitors)

Inductive with RC Snubber (LED light drivers, transformers, fans, refrigerators, air-conditioners, washing machines, tumble dryers)

[steel pumice]

I'll let yall chat until I express my anger here

[dawn badge]

its max load will be smaller with inductive load though.

[atomic delta]

Well sure

[dawn badge]

some outdoor tools might have large motors but you are probably right in saying that its probably fine for most cases.

[atomic delta]

Hard part is just deciding which to get. Do I want power monitoring? Do I want the mini or not? Decisions decisions...

[dawn badge]

might as well get power monitoring as you don't need isolation. mini if you are worried about space. if not then higher current rating of the bigger one is nice.

[atomic delta]

Yeah, probably should look inside the outlet before I decide on mini or not.

[dawn badge]

or get one of each and have one in stock for the next time you get a random idea...

[atomic delta]

I may have been considering that...

[dawn badge]

lol, there's a reason we are in this server 🙂

[atomic delta]

Fuck it, I bought one of each. Worst case the extra sits on the shelf for a while.

[steel pumice]

empty now?

good cuz

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[forest edge]

aka someone else's new free shit

[minor bobcat]

Inb4 it's DOA after 2 weeks shipping

[steel pumice]

fuck

[steel pumice]

at least got a lot of food for free

[unborn merlin]

that is absolutely in the minority and you know it

🙃

the majority of houses built in the usa are made of cheap twigs..

And even moreso being built by big builders are..

https://www.youtube.com/@cyfyhomeinspections/shorts

Being built to the lowest quality possible; in some cases hazardously.

[crisp oriole]

Oh.. i can track service stability and let a llm analyse the logs if its fails

[tough cobalt]

Tbf this is Thailand 😂

[unborn merlin]

yeah other countries do seem to have gotten on the

"Don't build houses out of the cheapest fucking trash you can find"

thing.

don't worry.. I'm sure the USA will get on that in like

another 20-30 years.

we do tend to do some things now I think that was considered "luxury" in the eu like 10-20 years ago.. 😛

[crisp oriole]

Walk to your supermarket.

[unborn merlin]

that sounds like socialism

whats your country again-- we're gonna just confiscate some oil tankers.. /s

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-chappelle-show-pop-copy-why-cause-fuck-em-gif-15886017

better get johnny depp his mascara.. we bringing back the piracy

[tough cobalt]

If my builders were left alone for than a half day it would probably be bamboo sticks and glue

[unborn merlin]

oh if I had the money I think i'd..

.... get a structural engineer to do the designs

and then build it my fucking self

[tough cobalt]

In Thailand dont need such things

[unborn merlin]

... and put conduit everywhere

mmm.. conduit

[tough cobalt]

Underground fibre runs you say...

No permits here baby

[unborn merlin]

tbh if I could have a house it'd be with ICF

build my outer walls with fucking legos

then call the concrete truck

[tough cobalt]

This house cost me about 30kusd so far

[unborn merlin]

add two zeros to that for the usa. /s

lemme grab a meme i saw..

[tough cobalt]

This cost approx 8k usd

[unborn merlin]

here it is..

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106291021920346122/1448267746700689418/NAnDpqM0KexTzbLm2XBSMJre2jgM4ACOzwvJri8e-Eev9ePpQ5uBEAW0U5WHKe0-JppyAMRhiQdSh756oEX19DM2.png?ex=693b4cb2&is=6939fb32&hm=09c8a7fb9f3dfd7c7423b9fccdcf77ede00f73cbbff8dd4b4082c00ff11e0d3d&

[tough cobalt]

(also where one of the fiber runs goes)

Lol true

[unborn merlin]

but yeah.. if I had the chance to build my own home?

[tough cobalt]

I discovered slavery indeed still gets shit done

[unborn merlin]

ground source heat pump, basement for service area.. insulated concrete forms.. etc etc

also funny link i saw.

https://mastodon.social/@mhoye/115684936101043331

mhoye (@[e-mail])

The companies whose whole job is understanding the Real Cost Of The Finding Out Part do not want to play this game at all.

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[unborn merlin]

climate change..

Ai slop..

you can tell when its wrong when the insurance companies are on the "Fuck no we don't want to pay for this" side.

[tough cobalt]

When monsoon rolled thru awhile back.. but got ponds on both sides

Old FAFO

[unborn merlin]

yeaah probably gonna want to hope your drainage is setup right to get that shit away.. 😛

the video makes it look a lot larger inside than the pictures do

needs a banana for scale.

[tough cobalt]

Bruhhhh... Ive had to explain the concept of french drains (underground perferated pipes) about a dozen times

Also has a foot deep concrete drain at the front

[unborn merlin]

thats a moat against mice sir

😛

[tough cobalt]

Just a wee moat

[unborn merlin]

you put snakes in the moat

old world style home defense. /s

[tough cobalt]

Theres already been 2 killed in there

Such is jungle life

[unborn merlin]

well to borrow a phrase from cats

https://tenor.com/view/haha-cute-cat-if-i-fit-i-sit-gif-6474649421117436036

or slithers as it were.

[tough cobalt]

Nice n warm in the dry moat

But also no way out

[unborn merlin]

i cant wait to read the braindead boomers posts in reply to the minecraft meme posted.

I just have afeeling he will.

[tough cobalt]

Just work harder sonny Jim

[unborn merlin]

noosebootstraps

[tough cobalt]

Walk both ways and then back again, uphill, in the snow

[unborn merlin]

what snow? 🤣

when I was a kid we used to get like at least a foot every year.

get fuckall now

still glad I installed a heat pump in the family home's attic tho.. lovely up here now

[tough cobalt]

Attic dweller

Nice

[unborn merlin]

yup.

large enough for me.

[tough cobalt]

Better than basement

[unborn merlin]

but previously no good ac.. and the heat in the winter was..

well non-functional

because the clowns who ran the water lines to the radiators..

went up and over the attic

rather than.. under the floor in the attic

so y'know.

its permanently air-locked

[tough cobalt]

See theres the right way of doing things. Then theres the profitable lazy way.

[unborn merlin]

I've seen how the pipes are bent inside the knee walls too

[tough cobalt]

Seems your boys took option 2

[unborn merlin]

they were apparently drunk or high while doing those bends too

[tough cobalt]

Judo chop

[unborn merlin]

yeah installing a heat pump on a third floor wasn't fun by my self

but I did manage it.. with a 40ft extension ladder and a winch. 🙃

[tough cobalt]

Just move to Thailand. Never goes under 20c

[unborn merlin]

(wall mounted)

[tough cobalt]

Checkmate

[unborn merlin]

I dont really learn new languages very well

it'd be a failure. 🤷‍♂️

[tough cobalt]

Ive been here 15yrs can barely speak anything past basic jabber

[unborn merlin]

plus i'm the whitest white man.

I can camouflage a little longer at least from the new reich rising up.

[tough cobalt]

And im a 6'6 giant in midgettown

Literally had to get them to order real doors as they use 180cm standard here

[unborn merlin]

do you have a dumbass power system or real power?

[tough cobalt]

Like.. electricity?

[unborn merlin]

as a reflow oven I'm upgrading from 120v to 240v has to be used.. downstairs at a large-air-conditioner outlet because yknow.. we have dumbfuck power here. 😛

[tough cobalt]

Its 240v 2phase standard here but i can get 3phase (industrial) lined in for free if needbe

[unborn merlin]

of course you can.. 🙃

[tough cobalt]

They are running about 800m of fibre from the main highway as nobody in my jungle street has fibre

And then 100m underground to the house.. free

[unborn merlin]

this you in thailand? /s https://www.npr.org/2022/08/22/1118734792/michigan-man-isp-fiber-internet

[tough cobalt]

1gb/1gb $20usd a month

[unborn merlin]

ah the usa.

Invents a thing.

Procedes to eat shit from every other country that follows up in doing that thing.

[tough cobalt]

Make it great again fam

[unborn merlin]

nah.

the next step I see is probably..

corporations buying states.

[tough cobalt]

Madmax

Oh

[unborn merlin]

(if your state has water.. nestle would like to know your location! /s)

[tough cobalt]

They tried that on in Australia for awhile. Taxed for rainwater (yes) if you had ponds or lakes on your land

Didn't go to well for that government

[unborn merlin]

was referring to this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_of_Nestlé#Water

[tough cobalt]

Nestle owns everything

[unborn merlin]

where they use bullshit contracts to suck up groundwater and bottle it..

or in other countries.. y'know

[tough cobalt]

Yep

[unborn merlin]

oops did a PMC or something happen to clear a place we wanted water from?!

how sad!

[tough cobalt]

Nestle sparkling fresh mineral water - now blood free!

[unborn merlin]

• because we spun that subsidiary off to another company!

[steel pumice]

here's a picture of a fly somehow got stuck between the lid

[high remnant]

free proteïne

[iron granite]

[umbral cliff]

Only for the fly

[iron granite]

That's what the fly wants you to think.

[steel pumice]

but we don't want to

think like a fly

[high remnant]

I don't even think at all

[dusty mica]

was that "on the fly" ?

[high remnant]

pretty fly for a white guy

[forest edge]

discord is getting an awful alot of popups anymore

[high remnant]

uBO Annoyances filters ;)

[minor bobcat]

Android App is surprisingly calm compared to the Desktop App

[forest edge]

you don't get orb quest popups and this year in 2025 popups?

[minor bobcat]

Nah

I might have missed 1 or 2 but then it's still been way less annoying than on desktop

[lapis bolt]

Idk if this is the best place to post this but I finally got RPC and WoL working. Can’t wait to have some fun automations with this 👀

[steel pumice]

finally, about time

[dawn badge]

stuff from china usually leaves when there's enough to fill the cargo container. so sometimes it takes a few days.

[steel pumice]

yeah. I see

[forest edge]

why give hope when there is none

[violet bluff]

Just finished setting up my first home assistant. its very nice! but i dont have much to use it with yet

[last cedar]

Shield TV, youtube not supported? Wtf

[scenic radish]

yewchewb innit

[last cedar]

Are you fucking kidding me

It has been "crashing" for a few weeks on startup, where I needed to clear the cache and login new every time

[warm helm]

I don't have that issue with my 3

[hearty palm]

has anyone tried using the ha voice previews with music assistant? i am asking mostly because i want to be certain that it works with ma before buying it

[last cedar]

Ok so I can cast to it

But not run the app

[hearty palm]

so in essence i should find a more riable way to do it?

i guess i could diy it with an esp 32 and an audio jack possibly atleast

[iron granite]

That was likely not an answer to your question. This is not a support channel.
Please use either the #1284966353798697001 support channel for the Voice PE or the #1284966582375813201 channel for Music Assistant.

[hearty palm]

sure i can do that but i didnt really need a support question just community feedback on how well a pe works

i thought those channels were for support only

[iron granite]

If you’re "just asking a question", you're asking for support.

[hearty palm]

got it thanks again

[steel pumice]

god I can't wait to use the zigbee devices

just one coordinator and everything is DONE

[last cedar]

This is how it starts

Then you have like 300 devices and start adding more coordinators

[steel pumice]

lol

[last cedar]

I am up at like 70 and I have the most modest house

[steel pumice]

well uh yeah 90%

[scenic radish]

my zigbee network is 80 devices which includes all of our smart lights

i struggle to understand how people have networks with 100+ devices

massive houses, i assume

[steel pumice]

still need to buy switches or relays so I don't have to buy more routers

[steel pumice]

yea mostly

or people just installing motion sensors every corner in every room

(yes I've seen this type of "smart" home before, it's so stupid)

the owner isn't smart enough to make budgets

or just too rich to care

[last cedar]

A light in every room quickly adds up

And then when you add in motion sensors, water valves and 69 raccoon detectors you get over 70 devices

[steel pumice]

y'all use smart light strips or bulbs?

[last cedar]

I have bulbs

But there are many ways to light a building

[ocean oar]

Strips, bulbs, and smart switches all controlling lighting at ours

[steel pumice]

idk changing the color of the light seems nice

but idk if we're going with smart switches or that

[last cedar]

It is very cool, but not very useful in the long run, IMO

[steel pumice]

oh, I'll stick with smart switches then

[last cedar]

It can be if you have blue flashes for water leak, red for fire etc

Colour temperate is very nice though

But not the actual colour

[ocean oar]

I mostly like smart bulbs for being able to dim them in the evening. Almost never use colour (on the bulbs that have it), just shades of white

[last cedar]

Yeah, dimming is clutch

[steel pumice]

oh I forgot smart dimmers exist

[last cedar]

I would personally use normal switches and dimmable, colour bulbs in every room going forward

I have a good few that are dimable, colour temp now

[ocean oar]

Also means things like the hallway light (when triggered by the motion sensor) can be minimum brightness + very red colour temperature in the middle of the night, to avoid blinding people who just needed to get up to use the bathroom

[weak musk]

I use colored bulbs for visual alerts and red for late night vision preservation. But that’s it.

[steel pumice]

wait that's kinda cool

[weak musk]

But I only use smart bulbs in stand alone lamps. Everything non plugin is a smart dimmer switch

[steel pumice]

like desk lamps?

[weak musk]

Pulse orange when the dryer is done, pulse blue when the washer is done, pulse green when recycling needs to go out etc

[last cedar]

I do run a sonoff relay in my garage for example, 120W of LEDs, you need SPF50 to go in there

[weak musk]

Desk lamps, stand lamps, table lamps, plugin hanging lights etc

[steel pumice]

hmm interesting

prob useful for hallway hanging lamps

[weak musk]

If it’s controlled by a wall switch it has a smart dimmer. If it’s plugin it’s a smart bulb.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/blind-spongebob-blinded-myeyes-sizzle-gif-4697428

[minor bobcat]

https://github.com/basnijholt/adaptive-lighting
Best feature in my home

[last cedar]

Factory reset of the shield....

I do wonder if the unbound blocklist may have had a bad entry though

It grabs it once a day

[high remnant]

I am nowhere near 80

not even half

[last cedar]

And still doesn't work

What a wanker

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/wanker-gif-24987706

[minor bobcat]

SmartTube?

I'm using it on my TV

[last cedar]

Won't install from the app store

[minor bobcat]

Sideload

[last cedar]

Don't want to at the moment, just want this shit working

No reason an android 11 device doesn't support youtube overnight

[minor bobcat]

True

[static schooner]

the place for bumping your question is in the original post

[iron granite]

Rule 8 still applies though.

[silent dove]

Rule 8

Non-contributive or incoherent behavior which is disruptive to the community and conversations will not be tolerated. This includes bumping/unarchiving threads without contributing anything relevant to them.

[fresh bramble]

sorry

[iron granite]

Please keep in mind that everyone is doing this voluntarily in their free time. Time zone differences can also have an effect. Sometimes it needs someone with special knowledge.
And sometimes there is no answer, because nobody here had the same issue.

[fresh bramble]

alright,sorry

[high remnant]

is this a bad time to reiterate what i said about timezones?

[fresh bramble]

i think i'll just try the built in voice stuff

since i don't really wanna do the google assist stuff fully

i just want a way to do it via voice

sorry for being rude about a post i kinda just deleted

[iron granite]

No worries!

[fresh bramble]

oh and does whisper use ai or is it just a voice thing

[iron granite]

Whisper itself is just a voice part.

[fresh bramble]

alright

yeah i don't like ai stuff so i kinda wanna stay away from it

[high remnant]

you’re not going to like me. shit i can’t even pass a captcha

[crisp oriole]

In that case whiser is AI. It isnt a llm

[high remnant]

wouldn’t it be more correct to call it ML as opposed to AI?

[crisp oriole]

You started with the AI

Ai is a lot

[high remnant]

i am innocent of this crime

[crisp oriole]

Lies. But i leave it as a warning.

[high remnant]

bite me!

[crisp oriole]

Then it would not be a warning

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/relax-chill-terminator-t3-arnold-gif-16677643

[high remnant]

@iron granite reset the counter! I (or audi) had broken something! my car dash in HA stopped working :(

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/days-since-last-incident-accident-prone-accidents-since-last-gif-18085418613737914981

[high remnant]

indeed indeed

[crisp oriole]

Edit the yaml in ssh and ha core restart

[high remnant]

instructions unclear moved to google home

[iron granite]

Better don't move. You might hurt yourself.

[high remnant]

too late already had to be saved my my spotter in the gym

https://tenor.com/view/mokey-show-mickey-sr-pelo-gif-6636064050648749408

but on a more serious note audi just released another app update so they’ve probably moved some api calls

[jagged moon]

So tell me if you've heard this one before....

I install a shelly with an energy monitoring clamp in my breaker panel in the basement,
I set the shelly up on the network.
I tie it into homeassistant.
the shelly keeps vanishing and behaving unreliably......

Do you see where I went wrong? I cant believe I made this mistake.

its inside the metal box far from the router. the signal is weak so it works sometimes, it drops oter times. because the radio controlled device was stuck inside a metal box.

-facepalm-

simple to fix but I'm annoyed I made this mistake

[grizzled gull]

Bought this for 109 last January, current price 409 dollars lol

[jagged moon]

RAM is appreciating like wine....

[high remnant]

mr diamond hands over here

[grizzled gull]

Sad part is I bought it because I thought my ram in my main PC was bad(it's not, its stupid AMD bug waking from sleep in linux bug) but I kept it as I'm going to build a new PC for my kid

Well I'm building a new PC for me, he's getting my old one but yeah

[iron granite]

Still a good timing to have those lying around.

[high remnant]

ngl it’s always smart to have spare parts on hand

[grizzled gull]

most definately

[lapis crow]

did i accidentally create agi

[weak musk]

that's amazing

it's like this:

https://tenor.com/view/the-hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-marvin-the-paranoid-android-its-even-worse-that-i-thought-it-would-be-worse-that-i-thought-got-worse-gif-21730765

[lapis crow]

sob so real

oh it doesnt seem to like it when you reverse the roles

[iron granite]

And this is why the AI overlord will wipe out humanity soon.

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-terminator-robot-looking-flex-cool-robot-gif-16625083

[lapis crow]

i pissed it off a few weeks ago and it turned on my projector, then played never gonna give you up on my chromecast via music assistant

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/wargames-war-games-global-thermonuclear-war-war-tic-tac-toe-gif-13408115963451978339

[lapis crow]

the projector isnt a smart one, i assume the chromecast remote turned it on

(scuffed projector- does not have proper hdmi cec from my experience)

[high remnant]

you should try giving it the personality of GlaDOS

tried it and good old fast

[iron granite]

The smell of neurotoxins in the morning.

[weak musk]

this would be funny on trash day

or if there was a high CO reading

[ocean oar]

Or someone farts near the sensor

[high remnant]

i’ve smelled a lot of things but not that

[iron granite]

It's a once in a lifetime experience

[crisp oriole]

I try to avoid those

Tester and reproduction

[crisp oriole]

I can vibe code to a ssh server with mine

[warm helm]

One can hope. Have you met us? We deserve it

[crisp oriole]

I had a vision of the fall of the garden of eden. We sure deserve it.

[lapis crow]

mine would nuke the server

[lapis crow]

OH THAT REMINDS ME

i was gonna add a neurotoxin helper to see if it would flip it

[crisp oriole]

Did you include the weather?

[lapis crow]

FIRST TRY SOB

[orchid rose]

Google Home just got the Gemini update yesterday here and Emma is already making it look bad. I want a bratty voice assistant as well

[minor bobcat]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/shield-tv/9/579484/youtube-and-youtube-tv-not-working/3581360/

@crisp oriole

[crisp oriole]

wut?

[minor bobcat]

It's a google problem

Ah shit I meant @last cedar lol

[static schooner]

It's a Michelle problem? Figures.

[hearty elm]

who's seen the NYT article on RATGDO?

i'm glad we are taking back control

they even mention FULU and other stuff

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/04/technology/personaltech/why-one-man-is-fighting-for-our-right-to-control-our-garage-door-openers.html

its a great article

[crisp oriole]

FINISHED for now.. go to bed

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge friendly reminder from LA, always good vibes

[forest edge]

LA'ers shouldn't be posting videos from Jamaica

[tidal bronze]

Same difference

Anyone using a woop?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-view-whoopi-whoopi-goldberg-the-view-whoopi-goldberg-the-view-whoopi-gif-4287313507459777072

[weak musk]

Like the whoop band?

[tidal bronze]

Yes

[weak musk]

No

😂

I might try them out. I got an Oura ring but I think I’m allergic to it

[warm helm]

I really liked my miband, I am less happy with my samsung watch 6

[fresh bramble]

now make it AM

[grizzled gull]

My wife's going to hate me.....I bought my kid a graphics card with the excuse it was on sale(150 off), 10% cashback and before the price hikes hit, hopefully getting her the icecream maker lets her forgive me :/

[tidal bronze]

Allergic?

[weak musk]

Not sure if it’s the titanium (unlikely), the resin, or something else. But it’s not great.

[tidal bronze]

Hopefully you are not allergic to your wedding ring

[weak musk]

I’m not thankfully

[steel pumice]

LEGO

I'm ~2 days away from being a zigbee user

[tough obsidian]

I just received mine today and set it up with my 1st device. A bit of a pain if you are using HA in a container

I have some water leak detectors that I have integrated to HA, and will set up an automation to send to a discord channel I watch.. However, these don't have any buzzers in case I am not near my phone... whats a good way to make some noise in the house ? I think sending text-to-speach to a smart speaker I have integrated might be a good option.

[steel pumice]

I run it in proxmox cuz it's easier

[dawn badge]

set volume to max and send an alarm sound.

[steel pumice]

make it visual like tuning the lights blue or something

[tough obsidian]

Flashing lights on/off would work also

[last cedar]

Wait, I spent all night troubleshooting and it was a google problem?!

[last cedar]

Turn off zigbee water valve, and release the roomba, too

I filled up my bird feeders last night

And half of one has gone

That deer omg

[minor bobcat]

Yep saw some on reddit with the same problem

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/stanley-the-office-cross-arms-disappointed-cross-arms-judgingyou-judging-you-gif-7596828362856012560

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/santa-gif-20802419

[lofty sand]

Just ordered my first Home Assistant Green device along with a Zigbee/Zwave dual stick 🙂

[dawn badge]

welcome to the obsession. the green is a great device but that "Z-Stick" is not the way I would have gone... (that's not to say it will necessarily be a problem for you)

[forest edge]

in general anything that doesn't have an actual antenna ends up sucking.

[dawn badge]

also their promotional materials seem to imply that plugging it straight into a device (instead of using an extension cable) would be a good idea...

[grim hazel]

Hi there,
I am looking for a way to submit a ticket related to MQTT entity discovery in Home Assistant and since there were too many options on how to submit a ticket on the github, I was redirected here. However, this discord space size and various channels and topics are so overwhelming for a new comer, I am not sure, where to look for help.

Would anyone care to direct me to the correct channel?

[dawn badge]

to begin with you are probably best off starting a thread in #1284966582375813201 with some details. then go from there.

[grim hazel]

Alright, I will try to search there and create a new topic.
Thank you.

[lofty sand]

I'm gonna have all my devices within my small studio cabin, would this be fine for my scenario or do you suggest a different approach?

I think it's like 300 SQFT

[dawn badge]

my first thought would be "do you really need both zigbee and z-wave?" are there specific devices you want to use that are a mix?
in a small area then you might be okay but I would still recommend using a USB extension to separate the green and the stick a little.
personally I would have recommended the ZWA-2 and the ZBT-2 getting both would be slightly more expensive than the Z-Stick but not by a huge amount.

[lofty sand]

Is there a USB Extender you recommend?

[lofty sand]

I just wanted the option to use both should I need to and didn't want to spend a whole lot

[dawn badge]

nah not really, just get a cable from a known brand. anker or ugreen are decent options for cables.

[dawn badge]

that's fair enough. based on the prices I see in the uk the change would be 75->89 GBP to get the recommended ones over the zstick so its more but not a huge amount more (at least where i am)
however as I said, you may be totally fine with the z-stick given its a small area. its just not the way i would have personally gone.

[lofty sand]

Anker hasn't ever let me down!

[lofty sand]

I'm always thankful either way for advice, I'll probably have some more questions once I get it in haha. What is the reason for the USB extender by the way? Interference?

[dawn badge]

no worries, and yeah basically its interference.

[dusty mica]

video here: https://youtu.be/tHqZhNcFEvA

[lofty sand]

So any 1.5 ft extender with USB 2.0 would work fine? And then I just space it out slightly?

[last cedar]

This is exactly what it does to my bird feeder

[dawn badge]

yeah that should be fine.

[steel pumice]

installed this during the waiting of the holy dongle

speaking of dongle

yep no updates

[steel pumice]

oh boy

the interference looks bad

imma buy one

[arctic quarry]

discord username checks out 📋 ✅

[fresh bramble]

The urge to figure out a way to automate my server PC's screensaver changing at a certain time is high

Mainly just so I can have a cool one during the day and a less over the top one at night

Wonder if there's an SSH integration

[forest edge]

what would be the point

not to mention there are screen saver managers that can do that stuff without needing HA

[fresh bramble]

Idk

[fresh bramble]

Do you know a good one for ubuntu?

[forest edge]

you could probably just use cron to swap your screensavers around at diffrent parts of the day

[glacial knot]

LoL cron. what is this? The 90s?

[lean spire]

bit of a weird one. my HA instance is responding to ping. it's actually doing a few functions but i can't access the dashboard and other features are non functional (the adguard one). i left it working earlier today and came back to it acting up.

[fresh bramble]

#find-support

[lean spire]

rather talk to someone than post a thread tbh

[lean spire]

im not looking for support - just trying to vent

i will prob end up pulling out home assistant than go thru the trouble of getting it setup all over again and have it die again sometime down the line

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-gif-5958854468941694453

[warm helm]

What is a backup?

[subtle current]

What is the difference between grid power and grid consumption?

[dawn badge]

one is power and one is energy

[forest edge]

one gives and the other takesith away

[dawn badge]

thats that thing we are supposed to ignore right?

[warm helm]

if you ask @lone dagger

[lone dagger]

No no I'm a firm backup girl now.

[dawn badge]

but have you tested them?

[lone dagger]

I even have my PC as an external storage for my backups now!

They got too big for Cloud.

[dawn badge]

do you have the key stored though?

[forest edge]

reread that

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/katt-williams-mmm-told-you-so-i-told-you-so-told-you-gif-14081153952783583001

[fresh bramble]

what are some good things to automate that don't require a ton of smart home things

[lone dagger]

Somewhere probably. lol

[warm helm]

or just disable it for local backups

[fresh bramble]

i need more storage for my server pc but

money and a certain group of annoying fuckers causing prices to shoot up

[static schooner]

I was pretty excited to get a DC6525 tape drive back in college for backups. It was rad

those are pretty cheap these days

[iron granite]

We need an integration for tape backups.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-tubular-sopranos-snl-gif-26285750

[static schooner]

it stores 525MB and you could use it as a weapon in a pinch, with its metal backplate

[high remnant]

i have raid

[warm helm]

https://tenor.com/view/the-summoning-bad-cat-hitting-broom-gif-10352523

[subtle current]

Can someone with a ENPHASE system measures import and export. Please share their setup. I'm confused on which sensors I'm supposed to use for what?

[lean spire]

i must have missed that feature

i think long term i'm better off not using flaky automations. ive done it before where i spent hours setting it up and then something will break

[scenic radish]

having a laptop with USB C ports on both the left and right side that can both be used to charge the laptop has spoiled me, and I can't believe this isn't a more common feature

i realize the charging circuitry is more complicated this way, but it blows my mind that my 6-year-old Chromebook (which is now running Ubuntu instead of ChromeOS) has it and tons of modern laptops don't

[forest edge]

probably cause it's an added cost that really isn't quite justified

[high remnant]

https://iwillnotbuynitro.com/u/ignorant-quaint-perfect-americanwarmblood.jpg super safe mega secure

[warm helm]

every chromebook I have had has had this. Its so nice

[scenic radish]

it is very nice

especially because I can use the included charger for other USB C devices instead of having two separate chargers there

[warm helm]

I have to buy ram for this 5070 I got the other day. Well I got two, I put linux on this one but they only came with 8gb in each and I stole 8 out of the one I am going to put in my rack for this one.

[warm helm]

I don't use the included charger, I got a 45w wall wart and a long usb c

[warm helm]

its like 15ft

[forest edge]

and coiled so he can walk around the house like how people use to do with old telephones

[high remnant]

that’s like 4572 millimeters

[fresh bramble]

i only have 1 use for my old chromebook and it's a kodi tv box

that pulls from my jellyfin

[scenic radish]

you know what really grinds my gears?

[forest edge]

sand

[scenic radish]

MFA code inputs where each number is its own text field

like... why

[iron granite]

And no option to paste the code.

[scenic radish]

or pasting it only pastes the first number

[dawn badge]

absolutely these things!

[forest edge]

the MS flight simulator stranger things expansions looks interesting

[static schooner]

Most of the time I find that pasting works fine even if they separate out all the numbers. Even auto pasting from my password manager

It's magic as far as I'm concerned

[scenic radish]

most of the time, yes

some of the time, no, and it's infuriating lol

[static schooner]

I do get very used to having the 2FA stored in the password manager and just being able to tell it to paste the thing

[dawn badge]

whomever makes UI's like that should face some kind of ironic punishment

[scenic radish]

i keep MFA separate because it doesn't feel like MFA otherwise

[static schooner]

yeah, but convenience

if somebody has access to my password manager, I'm pretty screwed

[scenic radish]

but less screwed if they don't also have access to your MFA lol

[forest edge]

don't they just hack the site and bypass all that now anyways

[iron granite]

Stealing the session cookies.

[high remnant]

or the ones that actively block you from pasting credentials or using the browser plugin

[steel pumice]

my "setup" a year ago

[static schooner]

I literally spent 30mins figuring out how to edit the Javascript on the page to block that the last time I paid for car registration rather than manually type my account number twice

[fresh bramble]

do yall know any fun things to automate when the only actual smarthome type device is a firestick

*i have is a

[forest edge]

not without additional sensors

[fresh bramble]

like?

[forest edge]

well like presnce sensors for auto turning on the device etc

[fresh bramble]

alright

i have no sensors lol

[forest edge]

home assistant really only shines when you have stuff to work with. sure you could get creative and use various built in integrations for like notifications etc but till you actually get stuff that you can use as triggers to control other things it gets trivial fast

[fresh bramble]

alright

i guess im just gonnna set it up to use voice to turn on my chromebook turned kodi tv box

and my firestick

at the very least turning them on

oh and i have radarr requesting set up

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/H4KMQuyxH_Y?si=cWCM8-nFFMTihgaB

[high remnant]

i am finally going to insulate my appt roof during the vacation 😇🫡

fixing the ethernet runs and also mounting the unifi on the ceiling

https://tenor.com/view/bob-the-builder-gif-21863917

[dusty mica]

be carefull , Suf suffered sufficiently

[high remnant]

FR

i was more lacking in the time department

[glacial knot]

Something is weird at this contert
The queue at the men's washroom is longer than at the women's

[static schooner]

high-volume men's rooms are often just a trough 🙂

like a peeing assembly line

[fresh bramble]

what are some cool things to use sensors for

[solar zealot]

3d scans, anything cv really

[jagged moon]

does anyone know how to convince home assistant that I have a pair of homepods as a stereo set rather than just two individual ones in the living room?

[static schooner]

#1284966582375813201

[glacial knot]

Oh, yea
Or a fence in front of some shrubbery

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/brPq8.gif

[warm helm]

to make you use tab

[scenic radish]

https://tenor.com/view/silicon-valley-typing-computer-laptop-tabs-gif-9487497

[static schooner]

I just had my Mac pop up a dialog asking if I wanted to allow my trackpad to control my Mac, with buttons to click, which regrettably, I could not reach without my trackpad. It was quite a conundrum until I disconnected the trackpad from USB and it connected to Bluetooth and worked fine

[runic cape]

Mine is inside, temperature fairly constant, idk

I suppose it could be the heat cycles

But then you'd expect it to be there more consistently, right?

[high remnant]

you are one of those people that use a trackpad ?!

[warm helm]

https://tenor.com/view/tab-tab-key-key-keyboard-wide-gif-23888112

[hoary canyon]

A good trackpad is honestly fine

I prefer a mouse for a desktop or monitor setup though

[static schooner]

I assure you that I tried all the tabs and alternatives and nothing gave that dialog focus

[warm helm]

I am using a trackpad but its because I kept slamming the mouse into the other mouse

[warm helm]

even neural link?

[static schooner]

Mac trackpad support is the GOAT

Nothing else is close

[high remnant]

yeah but no my fingers already hurt from the idea

[hoary canyon]

Mac trackpads are great yeah. Even newer windows trackpads that use the precision driver or whatever it’s called are usually pretty good

[static schooner]

It's a bit harder to be super precise with a trackpad (without a stylus), but that's where the trackpad itself and tight OS integration shine

Macs were first to build a really trackpad central experience where it wasn't just a tiny thing with physical buttons, but was scaled up to be truly usable

It looked weird when the trackpads were 2-3x the size of the competitors, but that was the start of making them truly usable

And those damn third-party synaptics windows drivers were the 9th circle of hell

First party is almost always superior

[ocean oar]

Unfortunately they were - and frankly, still are - awful on Macs, because the textured glass they use is completely wrong for something you need to be able to apply pressure to, then move your finger.

Mac people literally told me "you just click with one finger then drag with a different finger", as if that somehow excused such an obvious failing

Yes, sign me up to require both hands to operate the touchpad. That seems like an improvement

[static schooner]

I always use drag-hold

Tap twice and start dragging

[ocean oar]

You mean one of those basic pieces of functionality that Apple hides in the "accessibility" menu for no particularly good reason?

😉

[static schooner]

I won't argue with that. Point being that tight integration makes a huge difference

[ocean oar]

Oh absolutely. I just like to take the time to point out what a clown-show of a company Apple is when you take more than a cursory glance at it

[last cedar]

"Cursory" is this a trackpad pun?

[glacial knot]

press with index, slide with middle finger

[ocean oar]

😉

[minor bobcat]

ThinkPad Knob Masterrace

https://tenor.com/view/lenovo-lenovo-thinkpad-lenovo-thinkpad-t-series-thinkpad-thinkpad-l-series-gif-8391737604528755544

[static schooner]

Isn't that dead now?

[minor bobcat]

Still see many new ones with it

[static schooner]

That thing was about as imprecise a tool as possible

It was fine at 'go in some general direction'

[minor bobcat]

Released Q2 2025

[static schooner]

Click on a specific UI element? Best of luck

[minor bobcat]

I use mine regularly with the felt top

But I have thinkpads since my first laptop and got probably used to it

I even had an external thinkpad keyboard on my desktop at some point lol

[static schooner]

I get why having it in the middle of the keyboard would seem like a good idea, I was just never able to get the hang of it

[unborn merlin]

god I remember playing the orignal starcraft on that shit..

🤣

[jagged moon]

To add a card from a view

In the bottom right of the view, select Add card.

.....theres nothign in the lower right

[static schooner]

#1284965988642590891

[silent dove]

The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re "just asking a question", you're asking for support. Head to https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 to help you find where you should post your question. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge yours, is it because you live in Missouri?

[steel pumice]

yeah I'm just gonna use it as my home assistant integration

whatcha typing

[static schooner]

||it's just a cat||

[subtle current]

I finally figured out how to properly configure my energy tab but All of the data from before now is garbage is there a way I could delete it?

[obsidian night]

The tree is up! It's HA controlled and not thru GE/Cync. It's drawing 1 A and the bulbs are hot... Oh well. It's the artificial Christmas tree I already have on hand, and it works just fine

[simple gazelle]

Heh, I just have an INNR plug I was using for VR lighthouses

[obsidian night]

I use Third Reality plugs over Zigbee and it's great not to have another device on my LAN

[forest edge]

that video dosen't even make sense. all they had to do was drive south!

[fresh bramble]

the texas beaches suck

as someone who lived near them,they were not great

galveston is decent depending on the time

[static schooner]

I hear that they have some Panama City style beaches

[tidal bronze]

Why would anyone wanna drive south? No one wants shit going south

[static schooner]

West is where it's at

[simple gazelle]

All I can think of is the Spitting Image parody
https://youtu.be/IkbrJ2FP8I8

https://spittingimage.fandom.com/wiki/(How_the_Hell)_Do_We_Get_Away_With_It

[tidal bronze]

You making fun of PSB?😡

[simple gazelle]

Only from a position of affection

[tidal bronze]

I was just about to cue up Domino Dancing

[simple gazelle]

I'm amazed that vid hasn't been nuked, so enjoy it while you can

[green cradle]

Is there a device I can get to learn IR commands and send them ?

[static schooner]

#1284966353798697001

[umbral cliff]

100w for a christmas tree?? I presume no LEDs
Or its as big as a house

[ocean oar]

https://tenor.com/view/chevy-chase-christmas-vacation-christmas-lights-movie-cables-gif-8711592

[obsidian night]

No LEDs, and it's like 6'. Walmart special from a few years ago.

[umbral cliff]

A few years?
I haven't seen non LED trees in like a decade

[obsidian night]

Maybe we got that around 2018? I don't know for sure

[stuck mortar]

My outdoor tree string is incandescent from 2021 I think

Everything else is led

[weak musk]

All of our stuff is LED, but you could def buy incandescent strings in the early late 2010s early 2020s

[tidal bronze]

Finally figured out how to install WLED, super stoked. It's gonna be LIT!

[steel pumice]

meh we don't even bother placing anything

just some cleaning

[edgy sparrow]

weird I got a two pack of bulbs today, more of the RGB Sengleds I use, and they sent the 2 bulbs + hub kit by mistake

[static schooner]

Bonus points for it not being lit 🙂

[tidal bronze]

Oops gptta return those points 🙄

Note to self: never dismiss calendar notifications without reading them 🤣

[steel pumice]

lucky

YUPEEEEEEEEE

[edgy sparrow]

I mean... I guess, I'm not sure what I'll do with it, I'm not gonna use it

[steel pumice]

sell it

few money

free*

[scenic radish]

It's handy to have the OEM hub sometimes. I dusted off an old Hue hub to reverse engineer the Hue Secure siren/chime so that it could be used with zigbee2mqtt

[umbral cliff]

But you're a nerd 😛

[glacial knot]

oh yea, that's a nice project over the holidays
get rid of my old wifi SSID+Password and the hue hub

[steel pumice]

FUCK YEAHHHHHHHHHH

the delay ain't too bad

[forest edge]

looks legit if it was you that had to hang them lmao

[steel pumice]

hell yeah

time to buy new sensors

[dusty mica]

take a look closely at the delivery times 😉

for next buys

[violet bluff]

It arrived, nice! took lelss than a week?

[steel pumice]

5

[violet bluff]

I need to buy my first zigbee devices too

nice

I dont know if you have Ikea there but since someone recommended i havent seen anywhere else at close to the prices they have at least for the UK anyway

[violet bluff]

I just heard smartplugs only last typically 3-5 years :(

I guess if i need smartplugs i shoud just look for super cheap

[weak musk]

I have mains wired ones that have lasted 8

[dawn badge]

you win some you loose some with them I guess...

[weak musk]

I have an outdoor plugin one that’s lasted 7 and counting

[violet bluff]

nice, i guess it depends how you use it.. i didnt start using a smart plug till last month

[dawn badge]

its probably a bathtub curve

[violet bluff]

i wonder if low powered devices let them llive lllonger

[scenic radish]

The wait is numar

[steel pumice]

usb extender hasn't arrived yet so uhh yeah shit

[steel pumice]

I don't get it

[scenic radish]

No more, nUmar

Dumb play on words with your name lol

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-stroke-family-guy-gif-25106673

[atomic belfry]

IMO Home Assistant needs an "ignore update until requirements met" button in the updates page. I'm seeing more plugins that are releasing updates for beta versions (card_mod is one specifically, targeted 2025.11b) and I don't want to "skip" the update, I want to ignore it until I decide to upgrade HA to the version it's targeting (which in this case is when that version comes out of beta, or now because it already has, but wait to warn me again until after I've updated HA please!).

[dawn badge]

Feature requests are handled on the projects GitHub discussions - https://github.com/orgs/home-assistant/discussions

[atomic belfry]

Yeah, I don't expect it's high enough priority for anyone to pick up I just kinda wanted to moan into the void 😉

[forest edge]

I kind of wished HA updates were 6 months apart if not longer

[dawn badge]

also 2025.11 is so far out of beta that 2025.12 is released

[atomic belfry]

I pin to a version so I'm on my own schedule. I have renovate tell me when there's a release and every so often I upgrade to not-exactly-latest (because .0 which doesn't exist but you get the idea, is sometimes problematic). So I usually wait until .1 is released anyway.

(I did just upgrade to latest because 2025.12.3 is out, if only 2025.12, I would wait.)

[dawn badge]

every release is pretty rock solid these days tbh

[atomic belfry]

I'm old, and a devops person, I have my own preferences on releases. If it's not a security update, then the first version doesn't go. 🙂

and "these days" means different things to different people. I am aware of breakages in what I would call "these days", but that's relativistic time for you 😹

[dawn badge]

yeah, I understand the position, I am just not sure its totally relevant in this case. tbf .0 to .1 is only a couple of days anyway.

[atomic belfry]

I now have to manage two instances though - was really strange, I was intending to set it up at my parents' when I next upgraded the server at their place (different country, so pretty good for offsite backups for both them and me) and whilst I was last there my Dad actually asked me "hey, that server is linux, right, could it run home assistant? I want to try it out, and had trouble doing stuff on windows to make it run."

[dawn badge]

yeah any way of running on windows is a nightmare.

[atomic belfry]

very true. I could have set it up for him, but he would have still been shutting his gaming rig down overnight anyway...

[dawn badge]

yup

to be fair, if your not looking for the cutting edge stuff then skipping an update or 2 usually wont cause any issues. as long as you keep reasonably up to date.

e.g. don't be the person complaining that something broke on your system running 2021.7 😛 (it happens)

[forest edge]

if you can ignore that little number notification on the settings icon then you can skip as much as you like

[atomic belfry]

yep, I agree, I just don't like to skip updates on plugins, because then I'd end up not getting the update for potentially ages, and as it gives that annoying notification, it irritates me. I mean also ideally plugins wouldn't target beta versions either.

[dawn badge]

also "plugins" is not really a term in HA...

i assume you meant custom integrations

[atomic belfry]

Yeah, that's fair, yes, well, anything that ends up giving me that notification 😉

[solar zealot]

Don't integrations have that feature already?

[dawn badge]

you could disable its update entity to stop the notification

[atomic belfry]

They pop the notification and you can't upgrade, only option is skip. I don't want to skip 😉

[scenic radish]

yeah any way of running on windows is a nightmare.
FTFY

[solar zealot]

Hiding the thing just because it can't do yet is also a bit weird because that way people wouldn't know there are updates available

[atomic belfry]

that's an interesting solution, I guess I could do that and have an automation on start that re-enables them.

[dawn badge]

you cant do that stock but... if you install spook from hacs it adds actions to disable/enable actions

[solar zealot]

👻

[atomic belfry]

encouraging skipping is just as problematic imo

[solar zealot]

Yes but that's a thing already

[dawn badge]

could have a switch helper which triggers automation to enable/disable.
so you can switch it on update then switch it off etc...

then attach that switch to a massive button on your desk that you can smash when its update time.

[atomic belfry]

well it's usually a very specific thing, I am happy with updates in general, just not ones that ask me to upgrade to a beta or .0 (yeah yeah) version.

So I wouldn't need a big switch, it'd be case-by-case implementing the "ignore until requirements are met" thing, which I can do, but I don't know if the notification irritates me enough to do that.

(which is why I'm not making the feature request, this is super low prio! 😺 )

What I would like to question is why button entities are considered gui-only. This filters down into ESPHome world, because they follow that design philosophy. In my worldview, I have something on my desk that is a button, this should map to a button entity in HA, but it can't really without a lot of extra boilerplate and granting permissions to the ESPHome integration to run actions. ISTR I have done this in node-red for my cheapo lightswitches that are 433mhz and an RFLink(with mqtt addon) and I don't know if that was api or mqtt-based (I think the latter, but the ESPHome dev doesn't think it would be possible, so I may be wrong there, but that installation died so I can't check). It just seems like a real odd choice of where to draw the line to me. For example, I made a button that I can plug in in different places and so I don't want to hardcode it's HA side in ESPHome (this just seems like a bad idea) so triggering an automation is not what I want the button to do, what I want the button to do is simply register with HA as a button and send a pressed (well, gets complicated because HA doesn't have double-press or long-press on buttons, so I might need 3 entities) event when it is pressed. Then, as always, the automation can be set up to "when button x is pressed". Currently you can kinda do that with ESPHome but it's a lot more boilerplate because you have to trigger events and template a button that doesn't do anything and enable it to send HA events and not use mqtt, must be API (which can be a bit flakey in my experience vs a bus that is always there).

apologies for the wall of text, trying to cover the full scene.

[solar zealot]

Isn't that button just a binary sensor

[atomic belfry]

yes, it is, that's kinda the point, but a binary sensor doesn't have a momentary press - it has a value, and it's just strange to me that I have a physical button and am expected to have it as a binary sensor in HA

[solar zealot]

The value represents the button being pressed or not? This being momentarily just resets the state to theborigin

[atomic belfry]

Yes it does, it's abstractly the same.

[solar zealot]

Surely esphome has tools to debounch this to calculate multi press scenarios from it aswell

[atomic belfry]

but it's not the same the same.

yes, it does, I have ended up creating 3 template sensors for that, so I have press, long press and double-click. It just feels so... hacky.

I suggested a button entry that could expand all of the boilerplate for the user but because the concept of a button in HA is "special" it wouldn't be accepted by ESPHome anyway, so I'm not putting time in to code a feature that isn't wanted by the dev.

[solar zealot]

Esphome has double and multi press as well as delays for long presses, I don't think this would need a template on homeassistant at all tbh

[atomic belfry]

And I'm not willing to fork ESPHome over it

it doesn't - it's all at the ESPHome side, but because of the conceptual thing, I couldn't convince the ESPHome dev to budge on making it easier for people to expose a button to HA.

[solar zealot]

I don't really understand, if you have it through esphome you can simply send this data as you want towards homeassistant

[atomic belfry]

I want to make it easier - define button in ESPHome, get button in HA, instead you have to create extra stuff in ESPHome to do this.

And enable event sending from the entity as well

[marsh palm]

Hello - I am new here, and new to Home Assistant. I am fairly technical but have not yet bought or installed anything. Is there a general FAQ area where I can ask stupid questions?

I have a Google Home infrastructure that I want to replace with Home Assistant. Lots of switches, thermostats, lights, sensors

[solar zealot]

I guess? Tho that would mean that homeassistant would need to somehow support those concepts as well which I am not sure I've seen

[atomic belfry]

Welcome and enjoy the journey, it is worthwhile and valid, don't let anyone outside of this community tell you otherwise!

[iron granite]

You can find the channels for specific questions here: #find-support

[marsh palm]

The channels under #find-support all seem to deal with specific issues. I have general questions. But I don't want to clog up the chat. Do people create threads?

[atomic belfry]

Exactly. I'm trying to understand why my mindset of "A button should be a button, not a binary sensor" is so wild. It took a long time to explain on the ESPHome discord why I think that's valid and it didn't convince them, and they basically said "It's a HA concept, we won't go against it, and we agree with it", but didn't really convince me why I was "holding it wrong" either.

[iron granite]

Support questions all go into those support channels. There is no one-for-all channel.

[atomic belfry]

HA is actually really conceptually straightforward, ignore my current discussion on this, you're best just trying it out, seeing what it can do and then you'll have specific questions. 🙂

[marsh palm]

Maybe there is some sort of beginner tutorial that is written for 4th graders that I should read first 🙂

[atomic belfry]

There's a tonne of content out there like that on the web, youtube, peertube, reddit, medium etc.

[marsh palm]

Maybe I will check there first and then come back when I have specific questions. Thanks!

If there are any particularly good tutorials on YouTube, etc., please shoot me a link

Or I will just search there

[solar zealot]

A button does kinda just have two states, being active or not being active. Any additional logic ontop of this state changing would be ontop of the button but not represented by its activation state

Like this could go indefinitely complex beyond activation patterns

[jovial zenith]

i want a gb10 to run a voice assistant. why is money

the 7b models are a bit too stupid and index tts is too expensive

i need my home grown johnny silverhand assistant back

[jovial zenith]

although this might not be great for latency

[atomic belfry]

right, but I'm not really looking for the complex case here. In simple terms, I have a button, that I press, to me, that should appear in HA as a button, and when I press that button, in HA, that should register as that button pressed. But because HA has the concept that buttons are special and not for physical devices it appears as something else, which irks me. Regardless of esphome, arduino with mqtt, some other integration (well, it's actually possible with some, clearly, but it's against the concepts of HA so it requires to be done via events), it seems super strange to me that I'm odd in thinking this is strange.

[solar zealot]

If the state does not represents the function you expect this either gets flushed to attributes which is quite silly or the chosen state isn't a proper representation of it. But assuming the primitive physical object can always relate to a generic data container is probably fetching it too short

Like next time it's it's a button that reports activation distance, force or something silly like that

The state of wether it's active or not does then not necessarily related to the object but it's interpreted reportings

It's tricky but surely something for the GitHub or Forums

[warm helm]

Does it update the state most buttons change the time stamp

[dusty mica]

where to find a place for a cool water?

[iron granite]

In #the-water-heater

[high remnant]

water un-cooler

[dusty mica]

duh

ah cool, there is a channel to talk about everything non automation stuff related.. must come back here..

😉

[high remnant]

I must operate all my lights manually

[dusty mica]

nononono

extreme manually

[crisp oriole]

Me too. Manual voice command

[dusty mica]

like...type in your voice command here>

?

lot of stuff learning here today.. lol

[high remnant]

I haven't finished them yet

so I cannot scream to my voice PA

[dusty mica]

dont scream , whisper

[high remnant]

wanna buy some burnt fish? https://iwillnotbuynitro.com/u/ultimate-understated-secret-bandicoot.jpg

[dusty mica]

math... diffclt

[iron granite]

You can. It just doesn't help.

[dusty mica]

set -gain?

[high remnant]

the cops that will show up might listen

[dusty mica]

cops here down south will alert you a few miles away with their sirens telling you to turn down screaming

cool people

[high remnant]

idk I have not been pulled over in a while

[dusty mica]

why getting pulled over when screaming voicePA? external non voice commands linked with nabu???

i dont have a voicepa in my car...

🙂

reboot?

me think i reboot

myself

wol at next morning

[minor bobcat]

I won't even ask where you plug that LAN cable into yourself

[solemn oak]

I have had too many wifi bulbs fail on me over the years.

Anyone have a creator that ranks the bulbs for longevity purposes? I'd love to use their work as a jumping off point while I'm working on this problem.

Bluetooth based bulbs are also concerning cause I already have a lot of interference on that wireless band, so wondering if jumping over to the Zibee spectrum would be worth it.

Not looking for support, just driving conversation

[hollow glacier]

buy once cry once just get hue and pair to z2m/zha

[solemn oak]

Hue/Phillips actually know their shit? I know they're expensive, I just thought it was more market position than actually having a good product.

[dawn badge]

i have had a few wifi bulbs but not really had many issues. i think 1 died but thats about it. am looking to move more stuff over to zigbee though

hue do seem to be solid from what people have said but yeah... the price

[solemn oak]

I never set up my network to be maintained, and now I have bulbs that stay on all the time getting their IP addresses taken from stuff that's toggled and I've had 7 bulbs fail on me in the last 5 months so looking to just revamp the system. Always used cheap Amazon stuff but wouldn't mind simplfying things down a bit and just keeping one brand to rule them all

Already integrating everything with HA anyway, so might as well make the bulb choice a simple one with brands

I'm also swapping things around to where dumb bulbs are on smart switches in certain places too, just finishing what I started rather than getting it halfway completed and then worrying about it later lol

[dawn badge]

if you just want basic on/off then smart switches or relays with dumb bulbs is a real solid option too

[solemn oak]

Yeah just all about how I wanna design it and then sticking with a standard

[dawn badge]

nothing ever stays a standard you always experiment and change things 😛

[last cedar]

I have had a single ikea zigbee bulb go bad since I started from well before home assistant

Anecdotal, of course

[tough obsidian]

Hrrm .. what are ip cameras in HA good for ? I added one but don't really see how I can use it (aside from seeing the stream in the dashboard).

[last cedar]

@tough obsidian look up "frigate"

This isn't a support channel so I won't elaborate, but you can basically turn HA into an NVR with Frigate

[tough obsidian]

Ahh yes, this is pretty useful

Going to ask some Qs on this in #1284966582375813201 .. thanks

[warm helm]

hue is a pain in the ass to pair to HA ZHA or Z2m

[hollow glacier]

i dont agree

the devices are ready to join as soon as they power on you just allow pairing and they join

[warm helm]

if you paired them prior to hue which most of us have, they do not like to reset without a switch or hub and they are still hit and miss on actually resetting. Mine were paired to a sonoff and now I am using a smlight. They will not reset and I no longer have the hub as I sold it.

[sterile ferry]

I routinely use the hue app and connect to a bulb with Bluetooth (for the newer ones) and reset from the app and they go right into pairing mode

I just did it 2 nights ago 🙈

[tawny flume]

Reset Philips Hue Bulbs without a Bridge with timed on - off sequence

[last cedar]

I had to guide my dad through this, reseting them was painful

[warped ember]

hey all, im just getting started with HA (second time) but i dont really have any smart home sensors or anything... so what cheap starter stuff do you guys suggest? i got a robot vacuum, but thats about it

[dawn badge]

pick a thing you want to automate and look up stuff on what people are using for that. if you want specific suggestions on hardware then a thread in #1284966353798697001 with the recommendations tag will probably get some ideas. its also worth just looking around at some videos etc... picking an protocol for devices is a thing. wifi vs zigbee vs zwave etc...

[warped ember]

ahh first step is protocol then, thanks!

well first i gotta spend 20hours making the download work ofc

[minor bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-wheel-run-gif-10746499

[crisp oriole]

😱 a git hub fork of mine has more stars than the original. Im a real forker

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/dinglehopper-fork-scuttle-the-little-mermaid-disney-gif-16215811

[high remnant]

would you still love me if I was a worm?

[crisp oriole]

If i met you and at that point you turn into a worm i would cherish you

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/bVvVJ.gif

[crisp oriole]

If i had recorded it.

@suf klaagmuur?

[dusty mica]

?

what kind of relationship will evolve in here....

'double dutchie lol

[dusty mica]

you wouldn't

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/naked-gun-the-naked-gun-intergalactic-quality-intergalactic-naked-gun-nothing-to-see-here-gif-26797008

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-dad-gif-18483694

[crisp oriole]

Dad?

[dusty mica]

-go brr

[high remnant]

it looks like the tvdb api is down

[crisp oriole]

Sigh posted on reddit. My home lab management system. Clearly state there are systems around but dont have the flexibility. Only post. Yeah promitus and grafana.

Totally ignoring the switches in my setup.

[unborn merlin]

I assume its probably power related

have you added a whole-home surge suppression setup?

there are modules that can be added to your homes panel areas.. though obviously probably leave this to an electrician if you have to ask how. 😉

[warm helm]

rm -f * . *

[crisp oriole]

***. is the face you make after rm -f . so it actually creates something

How to type *

[solar zealot]

readmanual fast

[weak musk]

First step is figure out your habits. Second step is seeing where automation would reduce those habits (eg I turn on all my lights at 5pm, I turn them all off at 11pm, I change my thermostat 3 times per day, etc)

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/mobbed-raccoons-raccoon-sausages-man-gif-19231249

Summon all raccoons at dinner time

[mint beacon]

check out the devices & services menu under settings, I was surprised how much stuff it picked up in there. Things like my modem that I didn't really think about.

[weak musk]

does standby on Ubuntu royally suck or is it just me? If I close my laptop lid the battery goes from 100%-0% in less than 2 hours….

[scenic radish]

No issues here. Double check BIOS settings for sleep (ACPI S3 vs modern standby)

[unborn merlin]

sleep is cursed; just go with that.

😛

[solemn oak]

You are a beautiful soul.

My critical appliances are on UPS’s

Just did not think to do it for the whole house.

Infinities aren’t real by the way. Just gotta filter through the noise

[unborn merlin]

I said whole-house surge suppression.. not UPS

Its actually standard in code these days I think

[solemn oak]

Love you. Think of things quantum-ly.

Aka on a timely manner.

Think of how to interface between classical and quantum physics from a time is relevancy view point and you’ll see that infinities are just unseen horizons.

Watching titanic and remembering the past. Who the fuck thought we should have snoop vision for VR headsets?

But yeah I need to talk to an electrician and it do it myself lol