#the-water-cooler

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forest edge
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that image plays on your perception tho. in person it does not look like cramped lol

golden wing
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and it's also kinda misleading. there are few parts of town that look like that and the vast majority is just neighborhoods

forest edge
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looks worse to me

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rather smell the stench of car fumes than people BO

golden wing
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tbh i'd much rather live where i live now and be within a 10 minute drive of all of my essentials and a 30 minute drive of realistically anything i'd want to do outside of a major outing vs live somewhere like there and spend the same amount of time trying to navigate the crowd to cover less distance AND not be able to transport nearly as much "cargo"

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takes me 10 minute to get to the grocery store and i can get enough groceries to last me weeks to fit into the trunk of my car

forest edge
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10 min is even a long drive by my standards. i could technically walk to the nearest one to me

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but would i ever walk? not a chance in hell

golden wing
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vs when i was living in a walkable downtown area and the grocery store was literally below my apartment, still took roughly 10 minutes to get all the way down to ground floor, out of the apartment, then around the building to the grocery store

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and then have to carry all of my things back up

primal laurel
golden wing
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nah i'm just comparing the two places i lived

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as well as my literal experience getting groceries in those two places

primal laurel
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and what kind of shop is that? big mall?

static schooner
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That's a weird one:

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golden wing
forest edge
static schooner
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We accidentally ground up your package. We'll replace it and update the delivery date

primal laurel
golden wing
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yeah

forest edge
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I ordered one of those kitty spout smart ball things. I had no idea they had no US distribution centers so been clinching my teeth watching it through "yunexpress" leave out of china lol

static schooner
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Prepare for tariffs

forest edge
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oh yea if it weren't for the coupon I found I would have never ordered it

primal laurel
# golden wing yeah

that's what I mean by integral planning. You should distribute commercial zoning such that all necessities are roughly 15 minutes biking or walking

golden wing
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so then it's "shoulda just designed better from the beginning" in which case i ask again
what exactly are you hoping to accomplish with this conversation

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fundamentally towns like mine aren't "integrally planned"

primal laurel
golden wing
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wym

primal laurel
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move stuff. Close the mega malls. More shops, but smaller

forest edge
golden wing
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yes obviously if our community had been "designed better" the resources would be distributed in a more optimal way and there would be better infrastructure to make the area less dependent on cars

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but there is no central authority deciding "neighborhood goes here. grocery store goes here. gas station here"

primal laurel
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so that's where you gotta fix it

golden wing
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i mean i'm sure the cities/counties have to give some kind of approval

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but like

golden wing
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look at large blocks of neighborhoods like this, any place you want to build "more shops but smaller" will involve removing existing housing

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primal laurel
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that's the idea of the 15 minute city. Where do you place zoning? Where it wouild minimize the average travel time of everyone reliant on it

primal laurel
golden wing
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yeah those are called yards

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we have those here

scenic radish
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There's been a ton of progress with that here in the last few years

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(I live in Chicago)

primal laurel
scenic radish
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And can confirm, the only hills we have are wind

forest edge
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but not up to stefans standards

primal laurel
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it's all about what you grow up with. Differnet worlds

golden wing
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i'm just super confused why the argument he's making is even being made

"why isn't your city centrally planned and 'integrally planned'???"

because it just wasn't? can't change it now, the city kind of exists now

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and saying "it would have been better if you designed it better from the start" is a nothing burger

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like obviously

forest edge
primal laurel
forest edge
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like Christianity all over again

golden wing
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because right now all of that space is kinda taken

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by the houses

primal laurel
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I looked at your map. Plenty of free space in between housing blocks

golden wing
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if you zoom in on the areas between the housing blocks you'll see something crazy

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you're not gonna believe this

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they've used those free spaces to put some businesses in there!

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where possible, at least

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but also since you were responding to my particular circumstance of my nearest grocery store being 15 minutes away

primal laurel
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I can still see lots of space

golden wing
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that's not because i live in the middle of a huge block of houses but because i live on the outskirts of town

primal laurel
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including around existing businesses

golden wing
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where there is a lot of open space

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but you're not gonna believe this, when there's a lot of open space that means there's less people living there

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meaning less reason to put a business there until more people live there

primal laurel
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those places are surrounded by houses

golden wing
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then those places are not the place i live lol

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none of this is to say i even disagree with you, i just don't really understand how you're proposing to change the state of things as they exist now

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i can get behind "when you're designing a city from the ground up, you should make it walkable and efficiently distribute resources"

primal laurel
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the idea is pretty simple. Look at the commutes people currently need to make. Place the shop where you would get the largest average reduction. You are pretty much guaranteed to get their business

golden wing
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again

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the "place where you would get the largest average reduction" is a place where someone's home currently is

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and if it's not, it's probably land owned by someone who doesn't wanna sell it

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or a grocery store (or more likely a walmart supercenter) has already scouted the location and determined that it wouldn't make sense to build there

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and i think there's just a misunderstanding of scales here too

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with this much detached single family housing you're just not gonna be able to stack enough grocery stores (among other "essentials") so that every household is within a 15 minute walk

stuck mortar
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Doesn’t want to sell or hasn’t been offered a commercial retail price because zoning forbids it? Lots of places I’ve lived have straight up Victorian era homes converted into a variety of stores once it was allowed

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And it isn’t about getting 100% coverage for every single person in every single residential area. Every bit helps and grows community cohesiveness that I’d argue may be lacking at a Walmart super center

primal laurel
golden wing
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i mean you can just say there will be an empty spot there but that's not how the "planning" has worked in this area lol

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and then also those zoning considerations mbruce mentioned as well

primal laurel
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First you change the zoning otherwise you can't do anything anyway. Then you look for optimal, empty locations. Then you build the stores. It's not difficult

golden wing
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again "optimal empty locations"

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you just saying they exist doesn't make them exist

stuck mortar
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Stefan (and my) point is that planning ahead isn’t the problem. Relax the zoning so people can start

golden wing
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all of the spots that don't have a house on them are plots just large enough for a house

stuck mortar
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They don’t exist because zoning doesn’t allow it to exist

primal laurel
golden wing
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and there aren't enough of those plots because most of them already have houses on them

golden wing
stuck mortar
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Then start with a 15 minute neighborhood

scenic radish
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Eliminating parking requirements also helps, that way developers can determine how much parking they actually want as opposed to what the parking requirements say (which are often way higher than what's actually needed)

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Blows my mind that Chicago just eliminated parking requirements in about 80% of the city a few months ago

primal laurel
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maybe one big wallmart with a gigantic parking lot everyone has to drive to is not... optimal?

stuck mortar
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Definitely not. Need at least two

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Per neighborhood

primal laurel
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and when you take an integral approach... suddenly it all starks making a lot of sense

scenic radish
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It's honestly crazy to think about how much space cars take up

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It's much more apparent in a city though

golden wing
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again, i'm not arguing against the "integral approach" i'm saying that you're making weird criticisms of cities for not having been designed from the ground up after they have already been "designed" (added onto with no thought for planning over decades)

you can say "oh just have a bunch of smaller grocery stores instead of one big walmart" all you want but those smaller grocery stores aren't going to be able to compete with that walmart right now, and short of just saying "make the local government force the walmart to close" i don't see a way to change that

stuck mortar
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I grew up in Atlanta. They widened the main central freeway multiple times (hooray eminent domain and spending money buying land). Spoiler- it did not help any time they tried

scenic radish
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just one more lane bro

golden wing
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and that's in addition to the space requirements just not being met. i agree that a grocery store would take less space if it didn't need parking, but it also still needs the space to be a grocery store

stuck mortar
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Light rail lost ridership, so they raised prices. Lost more ridership. Reduced number of trains and hours. Lost ridership. Why isn’t anyone riding anymore?

golden wing
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i just don't see in the current way that my town is there being enough large enough unused spaces to make the existing "dense" single family housing zones "15 minute neighborhoods"

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there's also the convenience factor i mentioned before of being able to get several weeks groceries in one trip by car vs having to make more frequent smaller trips if walking

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which that's more a cultural thing than a practicality thing

scenic radish
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You can still make large grocery trips when walking

primal laurel
golden wing
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sure but not nearly as large lol

scenic radish
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We have a granny cart and a larger folding wagon thing

golden wing
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i agree that it would be nice to have a "15 minute city" just as the person who actually lives here i don't see any reasonable way to make that happen

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and sure, "should have designed it better"

primal laurel
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I'm saying it can still be fixed.

golden wing
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and as the person who actually lives here i have a hard time agreeing with that

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for the reasons i've been describing

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which honestly i think the biggest one is just the complete incapability of any new smaller grocery store to be able to stay afloat with walmarts existing

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and that's only one "essential"

primal laurel
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Cities are still expanding. You don't have to close the Walmart. Just don't build a new one. I'm sure if you designated some new prime locations where shops could be build they would open

golden wing
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okay but the "cities still expanding" thing is like, yes i think new things should be designed better

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but that has nothing to do with fixing the existing things

primal laurel
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You can do both

golden wing
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okay

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again

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as the person who actually lives here i have a hard time agreeing that things can be fixed

primal laurel
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You don't have to keep things shit because that's how it's always been. Or that's the rules. Or it's difficult to change. Or it's politics. Or big daddy Walmart is gonna be angry. Grow some fucking balls

golden wing
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we can go back and forth all day, i can keep on saying i don't think they can be fixed, you can keep saying "okay it's not about fixing it it's about not making more bad" and i can say "ok i agree" and then you can say "but why not both"

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and then we can go in that circle again lol

golden wing
iron granite
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Burning everything down and starting over new is always an option.

golden wing
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im saying that i don't see any reasonable path to "fixing" the way things already are

stuck mortar
primal laurel
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We changed. With way less space. You can do it too

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Yes it takes decades

golden wing
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you changed because you have less space

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it's a whole lot easier to make a relatively dense set of cities walkable than a large sprawled out "build out not up" kind of town walkable

iron granite
golden wing
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you made the point earlier about most of y'all's city centers being older than the USA

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which is true

stuck mortar
primal laurel
stuck mortar
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I don’t think Atlanta could burn again because of all the asphalt

golden wing
stuck mortar
iron granite
golden wing
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i just don't think you have an actual grasp of the scales here

primal laurel
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Scale is easy. Just repeat what you did before

golden wing
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like look at this neighborhood block for example, how long do you think it takes the houses on the outskirts to get to the elementary school in the center?

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probably like a 10 minute walk right?

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and this is like the most ideal scenario

primal laurel
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Now do cycling

golden wing
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ok so we're not worried about a 15 minute walking ability to everything, but 15 minute cycling?

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well now the whole idea of grocery store convenience just went out the window

primal laurel
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Both is fine

golden wing
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i mean i'm sure some product exists to let you tow a cart of your groceries or something

scenic radish
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Cargo bike sunglosus

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But yeah, bike trailers exist too

golden wing
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jk lol

primal laurel
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Wow haha. Really big cultural differences here

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We have bags

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Large bags

scenic radish
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Or panniers, yeah

primal laurel
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Or 'fietstas'

golden wing
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my car has a trunk

iron granite
golden wing
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plus a couple back seats and a passenger seat

primal laurel
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This bad boy can carry so many groceries

golden wing
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i can not only fit months worth of groceries in my car, i can (and have) fit all of my worldly possessions (excluding furniture) into it

scenic radish
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slaps roof of bike

golden wing
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i only get a few weeks at a times worth though

stuck mortar
primal laurel
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Haha this is so funny to me. Because these are things I don't even think about. It's so normal here to carry bags on your bike

iron granite
golden wing
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well nobody here bikes as a utility

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unless it's just commuting to work in the rare circumstance it makes sense for you to bike to work

stuck mortar
scenic radish
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The frame, handlebars, and cables are the only original parts lol

golden wing
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ok i will say back when i was in high school i was actually biking daily a good amount

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from the neighborhood in the lower right (i don't live there anymore) to the place in the top left called soccer city (don't ask me why my freshman year of high school was at a place called soccer city)

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primal laurel
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95% of kids here go to school by bike

scenic radish
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Used to be commonplace in the US too

golden wing
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was kinda sketch crossing some of the roads though
(WHICH I DO AGREE SHOULD BE IMPROVED!)

stuck mortar
primal laurel
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My commute to work last year was 60% cycling through parks. The air is so nice there early in the morning. Got some exercise every day as well

golden wing
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the european mind cannot comprehend my current commute (40 minute drive)

iron granite
stuck mortar
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My commute is an hour. Wake up, shower, get kids and self ready, walk to my home office 😁

golden wing
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3 out of 5 days my commute is roughly 5 minutes

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wake up at 2:55, log in at 3:00

forest edge
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queen, king?

iron granite
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Kingdom

peak slate
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California King, got it

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Either that or you're a cat, if you fits, you naps

peak slate
stuck mortar
high remnant
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god damnit I have a flat tyre on my moto

forest edge
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gotta watch where you ride

high remnant
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or 120

forest edge
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well they just call that karma

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for going so fast

high remnant
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its not? its kmh? the legal limit is 130?

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B-roads is 80 highways is 130

forest edge
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well you should have included that

high remnant
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or not

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I mean I get the confusion :P

forest edge
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yea cause 120 mph is considerably diffrent than 120kmh(75mph)

high remnant
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tru

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I just dont default to miles tbh so didn't think of it

visual knoll
unborn merlin
# visual knoll https://youtu.be/ubq5yVSf8uo

that's only mid tier power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXPiqk0-zDY

.. what about this?!

YouTube
From Scratch
I Made a 32-bit Computer Inside Terraria

I document my journey implementing Computerraria: a 32 bit CPU running inside the game Terraria. I've been working on this for over 6 months now and thought it's cool enough that other's might be interested in learning about it. Absolutely everything I talk about here is completely open source and freely available in these public repositories:

...

▶ Play video
visual knoll
high remnant
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the sun broke through

hazy sundial
primal laurel
ocean oar
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I have one sensor I definitely need to relocate for that reason

high remnant
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de sensor is underneath my desk

solar zealot
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That's a cold room

iron granite
solar zealot
arctic quarry
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did I accidentally get a bunch of isopropanol vapor into the lens of my ESP32Cam? why yes, yes I did. Any regrets? None at all. Instant phone wallpaper.

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primal laurel
solar zealot
high remnant
tidal bronze
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SUNOCO MCD and Tacobell together? You sure you talking about LA?

forest edge
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its like our vegas sphere

tidal bronze
forest edge
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ohio

tidal bronze
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Dumpster fire Vs Dumpster 🔥

forest edge
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its ok. we know california can't have anything cool lol

tidal bronze
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Huh

forest edge
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multitasking. forgot a word lol

hexed spade
sonic edge
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Why did the school next to me have to change their wifi password so that I can't bum internet for free?

dry tendon
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home assistant implementing options that require a subscription or their own hardware or their haos to operate feels anti-user/consumer.

primal laurel
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Lmao

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Like what

dry tendon
primal laurel
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None of that needs subscriptions or specific hardware

dry tendon
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is trying to figure out how to run his zigbee+matter router in his dockerized home assistant.

primal laurel
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Are you trolling?

dry tendon
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How is that trolling, like at all?

primal laurel
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Because it doesn't make any sense?

dry tendon
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How does it not make sense?

primal laurel
dry tendon
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I wasn't asking for support.

primal laurel
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No you're saying dumb shit. But if you're stuck trying to 'make zigbee work in docker' then that's where you should go.

dry tendon
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Zigbee works in docker just fine. I'm noting the addon thing literally just said it's not supported by my home assistant installation or something.

primal laurel
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So go to support and they will help you.

forest edge
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lol the name fits

dry tendon
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hm, why did I start paying a subscription.

midnight adder
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Y'all like pixels?

austere anchor
dry tendon
austere anchor
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I’m going to infer that you’re running HA with Docker and not HAOS, and you’re unsure how to handle integrations that require addons. They are just Docker containers. So look up their config and run the containers yourself with a compose file or something.

dry tendon
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For awhile I was using my own python/docker service connected through mqtt to provide automation... but it doesn't seem that mqtt is very well supported by new things, so I feel kinda... pushed into using home assistant more.

austere anchor
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If you’ve got ideas you’re unsure how to implement, posting in any of the relevant support channels will likely get you someone pointing you in the right direction. It felt like you came in hot here ragging on HA with a few factually incorrect takes. Since this is a group of fans, it wasn’t the best way to get folks taking you seriously. 😊

austere anchor
dry tendon
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That's probably a good idea. Thanks.

jaunty breach
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MQTT is generally the most responsive best way to do things right?

iron granite
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Generally? No. It always depends on the usecase.

inland osprey
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What's a good "offline" voice assistant that you would recommend, open to anyone? Trying to get away from my Google Nest devices. Mostly just use it for voice commands on the lights. Maybe would like ones that can display HA dashboards, so would like to find out one with displays.

forest edge
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if you got one these you could do this https://youtu.be/m_cP53UGB8M?si=0w05CNrdOyADc0N-

YouTube
Mark Watt Tech
Turn Your Nest Mini into a Local Home Assistant Speaker!

In todays video we are taking a look at the Onju Voice project which is a really cool Local Voice assistant project by Justin Alvey. It allows you to replace the internals of a Google Nest Mini and convert it into a Local Voice Assistant that can be used by Home Assistant Assist.

This will allow you to access and control all of your smart home...

▶ Play video
inland osprey
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OH SHOOT! I have alot of those!

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least 3 of them somewhere...

midnight adder
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Just broke my S23U screenS25 or pixel

inland osprey
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yep you did.

midnight adder
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Pixel 10 or s25 next

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Since my trade-in is 600 with broken screen if I get a phone in next month

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It was 810 before screen broke

glacial knot
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I'm still not used to phones being this expensive...

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The last phone I bought was 180€ rooD

forest edge
stuck mortar
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Would probably cost more than 180€ now because nostalgia

midnight adder
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Then 1k since 2016

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For flagships anyways

glacial knot
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I think the last time I bought a phone was in 2017 or so

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Moto G5 rooComfy

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I would have gone cheaper, but I wanted 5GHz wifi rooKek

midnight adder
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Ah wow

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Battery still works?

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After 4 yr all my batteries are shot

glacial knot
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nah, it fell apart at some point in 2020
I just haven't bought a phone since

midnight adder
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Ahh

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Well my s1 was 200. S3 was 300. S6 600. Note9 800. S23u 600

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But the s23u with broken screen trade-in is still 600 at my carrier lol

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So why not

runic cape
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Anyone here ever for fun attach a bunch of probe thermometers to a length of hot water pipe, with thermal paste and tape, to sort of watch the heat move through the pipe?

high remnant
vernal solstice
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What is this chat for?

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Hello community

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is this for js chatting?

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elo everyone

static schooner
vernal solstice
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I got confused by the name, then I read the description lol

high remnant
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😫

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understandable

minor bobcat
iron granite
forest edge
high remnant
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one of my ikea spots just died ;(

primal laurel
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<@&330946878646517761>

forest edge
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like how it equipped the ha badge

mild kiln
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my default purchase is now WiFi+Matter for powered devices and Thread+Matter for battery devices. ... and geez it is non-trivial to find devices. Just bought Kasa KP125M devices that advertised matter and power monitoring. Added to matter in hass perfectly easy ... and no power monitoring.

Thankfully the Kasa integration worked locally, so not a waste of money. After a saga of sump pump chaos the last week I have now added proactive monitoring through power monitoring to the reactive battery powered Z-Wave leak detector.

scenic radish
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Yeah I don't see myself moving from Zigbee to Thread anytime soon

high remnant
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if ever

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lol

forest edge
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I don't actully much like matter after understanding how it works

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it adds more baggage to simplify something that really didn't need to go through all of that just to make easier

tidal bronze
forest edge
tidal bronze
stuck mortar
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It was 75 and sunny in Santa Cruz yesterday. Such an abysmal state to call home

static schooner
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Well, there's the fact that our military is literally firing live munitions at (over) us 🙂

stuck mortar
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Not sure who in the chain of command decided it was ok to actually proceed with that plan

static schooner
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When the media gets ahold of it and freeways are closed, rest assured it goes all the way to the top

stuck mortar
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I heard they weren’t closing the 5, so that’s at least something

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I was about to say “what could go wrong”, but decided to check the news first 😬

static schooner
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The feds didn't order it closed, but Newsom did. And a CHP car got creamed by debris

glacial knot
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Jörg already getting the gif ready rooD

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What did I miss? o.0

static schooner
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that's the last I'll speak of it 🙂

forest edge
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00f 30 bucks for a hdmi conversion cable for sega genesis 1 and thats the cheap route

shrewd oasis
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Hello Everyone. Im trying to make a new light group but it added a _2 at the end. If I look for another helper with or entity with the same name without the _2 I dont find anything. I checked the config file too and nothing. How can I find this?

peak slate
thick dragon
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Y'all might appreciate this

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lean mango
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gotta explain to my wife she can't control our lights and covers using Alexa because AWS is down... wish me luck

sinful plinth
fathom adder
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i cant even access my ha on a computer without it asking to login to a ip due to the aws being down

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and i just took a look on downdetector and theres a lot of things down because of it

sinful plinth
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don't u have an local connection to ur HA?

fathom adder
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i do but im not on my local wifi

sinful plinth
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what-

fathom adder
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im at my college using their computer to access it

sinful plinth
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ahhh then i understand

dusty mica
sinful plinth
dusty mica
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secretly

ocean oar
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Well if all the lights are off and can't be turned on...

sinful plinth
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yeah..

dusty mica
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dark side of the room

sinful plinth
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nah

fathom adder
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imo with some smart lights/bulbs its best to have the power on mode to on when you power cycle the device as then you can use it as a normal light

dusty mica
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just do zigbee 😉

fathom adder
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yup

sinful plinth
fathom adder
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i have my public ip setup on a dns record for my domain but my college blocks http traffic and shows this when i attempt to access it

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sinful plinth
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what the f-

fathom adder
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ive port forwarded ha on my home wifi

sinful plinth
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can't u create a vpn to home?

fathom adder
sinful plinth
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i did that. my router has wireguard and i can use my public ipv6 (with a dns record my router manufacturer gave me) and then i can log in as a normal device

dusty mica
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use tailscale..

sinful plinth
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or that

dusty mica
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meanwhile, let's cool some water..

sinful plinth
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btw why is it called like that?

analog kindle
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does anyone know if there is an issue with Nabu Casa? can't seem to sign in

dusty mica
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yes AWS down

analog kindle
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ahh, thanks!

dusty mica
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look at bbc tv

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it's in the news

sinful plinth
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what-

dusty mica
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AWS downage

sinful plinth
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yes

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but in the news?

dusty mica
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heard so

sinful plinth
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lol

dusty mica
sinful plinth
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the actual f

fathom adder
dry tendon
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Based on my experience so far, matter/thread is a trash ecosystem.
So far it seems to require: ipv6 (fine), mdns (wtf?), phone on the same network (wtf????) verification from phone on same network (??????)
Like, this is not a viable iot service. It's complicated and messy as hell.

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How are you supposed to deploy matter over thread in a crowded corporate network?

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Just yolo mdns everywhere? that's insane.

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rn i don't have matter myself that what i told you is my knowlage so far

umbral cliff
dry tendon
umbral cliff
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I've had some experience working on... hundreds of hospital networks, and this absolutely would never fly.
I can't train technicians to understand this, it's overly complex. I can't expect networks to be standardized to support all of these complex connetions. I can't expct their phones to standardize this behavior. This is bonkers.

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So a person can't really sell this as a service to hundreds of people's homes, because they'll all be configured differently.
And it's a security issue, because it expects all these interconnections and you have IOT being allowed to access the internet at all.

umbral cliff
dry tendon
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and corporate absolutely uses IOT. You have like millions of bluetooth / meshed door locks, thermostats, door and window monitors across Seattle.

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iron granite
sinful plinth
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ahhhhhh i think we don't have that in my country ig. but idk

umbral cliff
dry tendon
# sinful plinth ahhhhhh i think we don't have that in my country ig. but idk

The water cooler is where a big water jug is placed and people routinely visit it to get water, such that they often run into each other and start talking there.
It's usually used when an office location is temporary, isn't allowed to install a water line, or is too lazy to treat its workers to a proper sink/refrigerator.

primal laurel
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i've only seen those on american tv shows

iron granite
dry tendon
umbral cliff
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We just have a chilled or hot water tap in the kitchenette

sinful plinth
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i mean i know that there are some places where we have something like a water cooler but that's not w/ bottles but instead with water from the pipe into a filter/cooling system. very efficient (ig) and you don't need to change the bottles only filters

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lol

umbral cliff
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Imagine not just chatting with colleagues in the office at your desk so without having to get up

iron granite
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If your company provides liquid nitrogen you are not limited to chill water.

sinful plinth
dry tendon
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My soul hurts so much experiencing this process and this product right here. It's just so...
How does any engineer put this out and feel proud or okay with themselves?
Like there are aspects of this that are neat, but like...

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It's a door lock, so for example it disables 4 digit pin codes? WHY? Security? it doesn't provide more security than 4 pin + rate limiting.
It actually CREATES security issues to have proprietary app connection stuff that requires sign in... I feel completely insane experiencing this stuff.
(some of this stuff is outside of matter/thread)

iron granite
sinful plinth
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yipppeeee

iron granite
umbral cliff
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It’s always DNS

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dusty mica
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DNS?

sinful plinth
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yeah ig

dry tendon
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the matter docker container sees the mDNS broadcasts, but my phone won't finalize the thing. 2 hours in, this door lock isn't connected yet. This is unbelievable.

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The IOT ecosystem is an utter horror show.

umbral cliff
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looks like some services have been restored

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as im able to access ha w nabucasa now

silent tide
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Reason #472 why you need local control. My espresso machine didn't turn on before my kids woke up.

iron granite
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Kids need to learn patience. They can have their espresso a bit later as well.

high remnant
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not having local controll for coffee is diabolical

lapis cairn
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Sounds criminally negligent

solar zealot
brisk glen
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Lol, this is why I went full local

sonic jungle
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reminded of OHF's mission today, heh

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Indeed, my Zigbee devices controlled through HA are working just fine 🙂

glacial knot
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I only noticed the outage at work. And even there barely since we already have copies of most things for business continuity reasons either way 🥳

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man i hate wifi extenders

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ok screw i am just going to buy an access point for my wifi devices because my current setup sucks

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i am yea it is 75 euros or whatever but if it saves me headaches then i dont care i am doing it

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minor bobcat
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Just move to a smaller place that's covered by your base router /s

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a router should be a router. people wonder why shit doesnt work when an isp thing made by cheapest bidder is trying to be a modem/router/AP all in one with a cpu from 12 years ago cos its cheap

minor bobcat
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You could move without them. Tell mom you hate the wifi and you leave the family alone to it

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i mean i would love to switch to a new router but my isp will be a pain to deal with

minor bobcat
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It's handling 1gig fiber and wifi bs without giving headaches

hearty palm
minor bobcat
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I'm just being a melodramatic dickhead and don't mean anything I said CasitaWink

hearty palm
minor bobcat
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As long as you pay for it and it works good enuff™ why complain hone_asinstint

hearty palm
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my grandma uses that landline so if anything happens she cant do anything

minor bobcat
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I meant once you get new gear

hearty palm
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oh yea that i mean i usually dont invovle my parents with new gear anything over maybe 60 euros i save up to get and if i need to ask them i give it back to them

minor bobcat
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Maybe don't look at too much ubiquiti then lol

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forest edge
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this trend of people losing their jobs cause of a comment they make they make in public while not even at work is insane

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forest edge
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well for one it shouldn't be legal to fire an employee for stuff they do outside of work. aside from illegal acts obviously

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solar zealot
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there may be valid cases where this is very much needed

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should be more of a "we arent idiots" solution than any legal requirement

dry tendon
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and EVEN THEN it should be based on actual guilty verdicts, not bullshit "they were arrested"

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My jobs will even detect my protest arrest record. Because an asshole cop wanted to identify and harass me.

dry tendon
solar zealot
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they may be in a position where they represent the company they work for even if they dont act as such

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this can be very much a burden

dry tendon
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why not, you cant just cause damages and be like "nope not my fault"

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there needs to be reason with it

forest edge
dry tendon
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I just require financial damages outside of personal life.

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"I hate this company, this company is shit" is a valid free speech opinion to have. "I'm making a false statement about my company's direction to commit fraud" - is an illegal financial damage.

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Also, companies don't need your help.

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yes but that makes it differ not based on where it happend but in the outcome

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which is probably the right thing to go for

dry tendon
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Companies commit more crime than any other entity.
They commit more wage theft than any other form of burglarly, theft, combined.

solar zealot
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thats just the gov of the small people haha

dry tendon
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If you have a capitalist society that only recognizes worth through financial wealth, then you are required to work, and if you are required to follow arbitrary rules always when yoand you aru work to live.

That is slavery.

solar zealot
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you cannot draw a line based on your acting and ignore any influence that may still have outside of it. thats just ignorant of the cause

dry tendon
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You cannot endlessly tether every person in the world to be owned.

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The only war is the class war.

solar zealot
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ofc you can if you want it to be needlessly accurate. but thats entirely a you thing then when the use of common sense would help

dry tendon
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Not sure how to resolve this, I think good faith nuanced moderation is good.

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can only choose the way you like best between what is offered. no reason in not picking something one can enjoy

dry tendon
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The Alien: Earth series is fun.

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woot, mdns works out of my container.

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tries to add matter device again

high remnant
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this is why i do not want any matter devices

dry tendon
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"Can't connect to thread network"

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arg. Home Assistant, OR, the border router just took several minutes to update mdns is seems. This is another problem with the matter ecosystem, it's pretty opaque.

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I think it's extremely important to have, somewhere, easily accessible, "1, 2, 3" "failed at step 2" such that anyone can troubleshoot it. Otherwise they give up.

sinful plinth
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btwwww i can control my lights from satisfactory w/ my HA :)

primal laurel
sinful plinth
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(i can do it since 2 weeks ig)

median roost
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I have a Netatmo weather station at my home location, but not at my summer house.

I was searching if someone has created an integration, which display mesues from other location using the api?
https://dev.netatmo.com/apidocumentation/weather#getmeasure

I have already created a Access token using the developer account, but I won't start doing anything with it before knowing if it make sense to make a custom integration for it.

I am mostly interesting i see rain and temperature.

Netatmo Connect | Weather API Documentation

We want to create a smarter home. With Netatmo connect, creative people can imagine solutions to make users' life easier.
Netatmo products are ready to communicate with all Apps and services to fit your vision of what makes a home smarter.

weak musk
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I kinda wanna try writing my own esp32 zigbee and matter firmware.
I like how ESPhome provides like browser flashable images... I'd like to do that. Super neat.

median roost
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it was not really a support question, more some input if it was a strange idea 🙂

weak musk
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You'll get input on your idea in that channel 🙂

high remnant
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me putting on guy liner and almost poking my eye out n

forest edge
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guy liner? sounds @tidal bronze californian

minor bobcat
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Nah just Europe

warm helm
primal laurel
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oblique zinc
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dont know where to ask this but is there any pi hole like services i can run on home assistant?

warm helm
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Adguard home

oblique zinc
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can it run on the same pi i dont want 2 pis

warm helm
oblique zinc
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ok i was trying to use pi hole 6 or whatever and couldnt figure it out ill try adgaurd one

tidal bronze
dry tendon
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Not a support channel

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Unless the question is “where can I get more raccoon pictures”

dry tendon
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Me when you spend all day troubleshooting containers, networking, mdns, thread, and find the integration dropping.
I should always check issues early on. 😂

primal laurel
weak musk
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You can block him

primal laurel
stuck mortar
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Always complaining about people complaining, tsk tsk

atomic delta
stuck mortar
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A whole new pail~~~

iron granite
ocean oar
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@primal laurel @forest edge @warm helm so in a funny turn if events, my manager is (suppose to) reaching out higher up the chain to make things more "fair" while 3 days later I get a message from my old manager looking to offer me a job 👀 perfect timing if it's the right fit!

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arctic quarry
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When you leave the company but don't hate your coworkers... I started a new Bookstack instead of our current DokuWiki to leave a sick knowledge base. Kind of like my testimony lol

primal laurel
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nice

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I use gitlab wiki

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unfortunately only me and one other colleague understand what is in there. If both of us leave they are screwed either way

minor bobcat
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I think nobody here even knows git

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And if they want to add something later they definitely need a WYSIWYG editor not markdown

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I force people to use git

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Does anyone know why the keyboard didn't work or it was different I inputted to actual content when I used the VMware by mobile Windows remote app

peak slate
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Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

warm helm
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this man started kicking ass again btw

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season 3

iron granite
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Jerry just needs to do lots of pushups and running, though he’ll probably lose his hair in the process

primal laurel
iron granite
hearty palm
iron heart
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Hey guys

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I just uninstalled microsoft edge

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without hacks

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they added the feature this week

primal laurel
high remnant
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why is there no Microsoft Cu—

runic cape
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I think this kind of stuff is a PR problem for "smart" but I don't know what the solution is

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Should good smart things just start emphasising that they work offline?

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Or do consumers still not care about that so much?

scenic radish
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I don't think the average person cares or even knows the difference between Wi-Fi and Internet

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arctic quarry
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have to scream at them, " 'the internet is down' and 'the wifi is down' are different problems."

primal laurel
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although mobile devices don't help this shit.
connect to network without internet. device goes "OMG I CANT PHONE HOME TO THE MOTHERSHIP ON THIS NETOWRK THEREFORE THIS IS NOT A REAL NETWORK AND I WILL INSTANTLY DISCONNECT"

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I may or may not have been triggered by this fuckery

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"fastest Wi-Fi available" to me just means it's slow AF Internet

runic cape
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The average person only knows smart and not smart, so if some smart bed messes up, it's like oh you gotta watch out with smart

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You can't expect a consumer response like oh gotta make sure my smart works well offline

peak slate
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They also call it a 10g network which isn't 10gig, but 10th gen

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Which is equally stupid

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Yeah mixing up wifi and internet speed is stupid especially because they really can independently be fast or slow

peak slate
runic cape
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Isn't that normal? Isn't that how 5g etc. works too?

peak slate
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So it's layers of misinformation

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there is 5GbE too

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I don't even know what 10 gig means, you need a real unit to say anything meaningful

peak slate
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But I could see people going "5g is fast so 10g should be great"

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yeah

peak slate
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But it's apples and tire irons in comparison

arctic quarry
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I am pretty out of touch with things though, like the other day I saw a post with pictures of an apartment in Detroit, with a title like "This is what 3500 dollars gets you in Detroit". I just thought holy shit that's cheap. but apparently. that is 3500 dollars a month in rent lmao

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There is a lot of assumed context in normal communication that flies over my head

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just because I am very unaware of prices of things

runic cape
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Likewise I would enjoy a smart fridge that is only "smart" in the sense that it communicates temperature and power draw through zigbee

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but today "smart fridge" means "fridge with reject android tablet embedded in door"

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I think maybe a good illustrative example is smart washing machines, because they feel like smart fridges, but they really can be just washers that warn you when they're done

scenic radish
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Soon to be "fridge with digital billboard"

runic cape
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and maybe washers that can be made to start when you're on your way home (or when power costs are low!)

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When I say feel I mean they tend to inspire a level of revulsion in people who hear about them, that is inspired by smart fridges

arctic quarry
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I think the most obviously glaring issue here is how rugged individualism has now extended to commercial entities. Rather than saying "ok so how can we build a product that works in a smart home" it's "arglhlgrlhlrglh we need to monopolize the smart home market hot DAMN I love cocaine"

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serve the customer, not your KPIs

high remnant
arctic quarry
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-# spoken like an utter anarchist apparently

runic cape
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You say rugged individualism but there is a much plainer reason they do that, right? There is just so much potential. companies will go all in on trying to be the one to dominate the market

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cause on the off-chance it works, they make bank

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the companies we like are companies that never tried or have given up on that dream

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arctic quarry
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I think it makes economic sense, you spend 10 million developing something that has a 1% chance of making you 10 billion. if it doesn't work, oh well you tried. too bad about the e-waste but they don't pay for that

arctic quarry
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again, systems thinking is an endangered form of thought, and I have problems with that

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opinions, even

high remnant
runic cape
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I'm not saying it's good, I'm just saying from some spreadsheet perspective it doesn't seem like a stupid move

high remnant
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she was sweet tho

arctic quarry
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you are what you measure

runic cape
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the spreadsheet definitely does not measure ecological impact

scenic radish
high remnant
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arctic quarry
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which we have

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and it works

runic cape
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Who is we

arctic quarry
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the royal We, obviously 👑

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no, but environmental legislation does exist

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it's stronger and weaker in places, but we're not in the 1800s anymore

runic cape
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Yeah but as far as I know, e-waste is almost not punished at all

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the EU perhaps

arctic quarry
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EU is doing good here, yeah

runic cape
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The only e-waste measure I know is forcing apple to use a normal cable

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Oh and forcing companies to take back old appliances when they supply new ones

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i like the idea of the EU's USB-C regs... the only issue is that nobody follows the standard and they dont get punished cos theres a usb-c conneector on the cable.

arctic quarry
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again, the bigger picture is: it's actually possible to do business responsibly, contrary to what the current thoughtlordship would have you believe

runic cape
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Sure, I'm just describing why companies like Samsung do these shitty things

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I think they should be prevented too

arctic quarry
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because we let them 🙂

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so now instead of a bunch of cables with different connectors trying to find the one that fits and also works we now have a bunch of cables that all fit but only 1 of them will work. (and some of them might set your device on fire)

runic cape
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You need to understand the incentives to take them away

arctic quarry
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well, technically I only need to understand cause and effect

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it's not my job to tell business how to make money, they're pretty good at figuring that out on their own

runic cape
arctic quarry
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but I can say "if your shit sucks, you can't sell it"

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if a company does not follow the usb standard. the CEO should be made to read the entire usb standard out loud in a public palce.

runic cape
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yeah good luck getting that written into law

arctic quarry
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it's already in the law 🙂

runic cape
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yet people sell shit that sucks

arctic quarry
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yeah, funny that

runic cape
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in a format like "The USB-C standard says it must supply blahblah, ours supplies blahblah, which is blahblah under the minimum"

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there should be reference devices. (both supply and draw)
there devices MUST work with the reference devices.

arctic quarry
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underrated tbh

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some places just using a power supply of whatever voltage and just tossing a usb-c connector on the end of it

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swapping a barrel connector for a usb c connector doesnt mean its usb c

runic cape
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I think I've seen that

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on those cheap grow lights

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they say like 5V and 2A charger and then claim the lamp is 100W

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Probably, they sure don't say it that way though

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i think thats the justification though

runic cape
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Who the hell is still measuring light intensity in incandescent-equivalent anyway

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"100w equivilent"

runic cape
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Yeah I think so too

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I think as a rule of thumb you should never buy any light source that doesn't say lumens anywhere

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even if you could figure out the lumens

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(or moles of photons, for grow lights, apparently)

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how about those "medical" light boxes that have their light output shown in "lux"

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with lux being "light received" so you have to dive into the spec and find out the distance that the measurement was taken then reverse engineer the lumens

dry tendon
normal moon
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They already milked the difference between 2^10 and 10^3 out of g, that letter has gone through enough

dry tendon
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It took me far too long to realize this, but other people don't see the world the way you do. 😅
I think there's this narcissistic culture where people feel entitled to lie, cheat, and steal, and they treat it as business as usual.
My ideals, such as integrity, and honesty, are easily taken advantage of if I don't manage them.

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In other news, I've been practicing drawing schematics and ordering circuit boards for testing.
I'd like to try building dumb small neat little gadgets, possibly to sell.

high remnant
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i can’t see at all

wet cairn
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About running Home Assistant with Docker:
Will anything get messed up if I wipe my server but transfer all the docker configs/volumes over? (Only hardware change would be the root drive is different)
I know the point of Docker is that you can do this. But I'm afraid something networking related may still break, since that relies on host networking and access to the physical zigbee and z-wave dongles. (I am running zigbee2mqtt and zwave-js-ui containers for those tho)

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Since I'm migrating to a new hard drive, I'll just keep the whole old root drive untouched until I'm sure nothing is broken

tidal bronze
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So google lost my location history?????? Life as I know it, is no more. 😢

forest edge
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least I think I read that somewhere

tidal bronze
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Seriously, I missed out on EOL notifications, never been this sad ever in my life.

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Now I have no idea what countries,states and cities I've been to. This is a disaster

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tidal bronze
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i remember seeing the warning about it getting removed and thought "that's a shame, whilst creepy it was pretty cool"

tidal bronze
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I missed that warning.

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wasn't disappointed enough to do anything about it though

forest edge
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turn that smile upside down

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I bought one of those zima blade things awhile back and never really used it for it. decided to dump haos on t's built in emmc. ran fine for about a month then died

tidal bronze
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Trying to pull location from photoprism Metadata let's see how this goes.

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tidal bronze
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Non-sponsored does not exist

forest edge
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it was a kickstarter thing

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didn't they try and make a NAS semi recently?

forest edge
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thats kind of what this is

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kind of sad that it is cheaper to just junk this and buy something else than it is to see if this thing can be fixed

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I remember having an old computer of mine fixed in a shop once a long time ago

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yeah, sometimes stuff just isn't worth the effort

ocean oar
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I've got HA running on one of those Minisforum N100 machines that has PoE power. Has UFS storage which seems to be only one rung above eMMC in quality, but it at least has 256GB of it so won't be abusing it too badly.

forest edge
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I have a beelink 12 pro that I run frigate on. had it running both ha in docker and frigate but I rather like haos over dealing with docker especially when you gotta deal with mqtt, matter, z2m containers etc

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i'll likely just pick up another rpi at some point to run it on

ocean oar
forest edge
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that thing just looks like it would get hot lol

ocean oar
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It does a bit

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Nothing its pathetic little fan can't deal with, but it definitely a thing you buy for dedicated processes that use a couple of CPU cores for short bursts, and not something for 24/7 100% use

forest edge
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the matter thing is annoying. so even tho I had the device paired and working with the container I had to add it to the zimablade running a matter server when I switched to that and switching back to the docker container is forcing me to readd it once again

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the more I mess with matter the more I don't like it

ocean oar
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It annoys me that the onboarding doesn't give you the option of what network to use. Remembering that the phone has to be connected to the IoT device network before starting always catches me out

forest edge
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@scenic radish needs one of those melted icons to truly relay the experince

scenic radish
static schooner
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they brought it back!

scenic radish
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incredible, honestly

stuck mortar
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Eventually gave up and added it to my HomePod mini. I’m impressed that it connects through two walls and across the yard at all

forest edge
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I got lucky apparently the midea lan integration is able to work with the ac unit without needing cloud so I ditched the matter aspect all together

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and the irony that you get way more control with that vs what I did with the matter

sinful plinth
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From where do you all get these cool colors?! (The role colors)

dusty mica
static schooner
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From this Server Boost Perk:

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as well as being extremely valuable and indispensable to this server || such as myself ||

static schooner
forest edge
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yea I think those are the yellow colored people

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certianly fits for @tidal bronze

tidal bronze
iron granite
forest edge
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noone cares about your nerd groups lol

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@tidal bronzemight be plotting a vaca to vegas.

iron granite
forest edge
iron granite
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Likely deceased 🤔

forest edge
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well it wasn't too long that you couldn't tell them that

high remnant
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I wished I could boost the server without giving Discord money lol

forest edge
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in the beginning giving discord a few $ just to help what-was-once-the-small-dog a leg up was acceptable but now.. discord is turning greedy and it will only get worse

high remnant
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That

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Gets compressed to shit

iron granite
high remnant
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or maybe my eyes are just bad?

forest edge
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it is insane how much old consoles and game carts are going for these days

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I keep thinking the nostalgia era is going to die off like the beanie babies but it seems everytime I have a reason to look this crap up it hasn't really budged

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makes me sad that I got rid of my older consoles like nintendo and snes

primal laurel
forest edge
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oh crap i sold my N64 to vintage stock several years ago.. dread looking up what ones of those costs now lol

primal laurel
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They make you pay for every MB

high remnant
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I know discord compresses a bunch of stuff

minor bobcat
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When "turn it off and on again" isn't enough lol

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nice ender bro

solar zealot
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You just didn't turn it off and on hard enough

minor bobcat
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Belt turned itself off

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Luckily no ink explosion

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Had that once on another machine

glacial knot
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ink explosion? Do you work with printers?

minor bobcat
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Yeah

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Inkjet and Laser

minor bobcat
glacial knot
high remnant
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someone has to do it

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the mike rowe of printers

high remnant
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iirc there was someone here that was running Nextcloud in 2 dockers only. I am running the AIO and I hate it, who was it and please tell me how you did that?

minor bobcat
glacial knot
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I like the office devices. Other people's problems

minor bobcat
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In production you and the manufacturer want a machine that's consistently running.

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If the manufacturer can't deliver that they will lose customers

glacial knot
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man, I wish that was true for home users

round crystal
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I don't know when this was added

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but damn

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That's a nice change.

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Also philips hue bashing time. Every time I have to factory reset a philips hue device, it has a temper tantrum.

primal laurel
round crystal
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Lesson learned.

high remnant
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try resetting them using bluetooth

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that’s just rage bait

round crystal
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bluetooth

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Also, hey, my Third Reality smart plug has a firmware update!

glacial knot
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yea, they are easy enough to reset with the official remote 🙂

solar zealot
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Tuya

static schooner
dusty mica
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Tuya, use hammer to update

round crystal
high remnant
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i switched coordinators a while back so that was fun

round crystal
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Not asking for help, but found this funny:

static schooner
round crystal
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Ok third reality makes some unique stuff

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I have their RGB wall plug and smart plugs, and apparently they make a smart watering system?

static schooner
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every company making IOT devices tries to build their own ecosystem

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we can only hope that they build it on standardized, local protocols like Zigbee

round crystal
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Third Reality advertises their devices all as being Home Assistant first class citizens

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They just work with HA

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and they apparently now sell their own HA box

solar zealot
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thats even worse

static schooner
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Rachio, who has historically made nice connected irrigation controllers, is also trying to find new revenue streams, charging for new software features and branching out into outdoor lighting and such

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particularly annoying is that they charge for direct integration between their controller and the Tempest weather station if you didn't buy the Tempest from them

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if you did, integration is free. Otherwise, $29.99

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Fortunately, I can just export my Tempest data to wunderground, and then use the wunderground station for Rachio 🤷

solar zealot
primal laurel
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Let me share that on slack

static schooner
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I often wonder why something called "Slack" has gained such corporate momentum

high remnant
scenic radish
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ok I've said this like a billion times, but I still just do not understand how so many people on facebook marketplace don't bother to read the description

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it's not even confirmation bias either. more than half of the people who send more than "Is this still available?" ask questions that are answered in the description, most commonly "where are you at?"

high remnant
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well, is it still available and do you have cash app?

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i think it’s a lack of reading comprehension and a general lack of respect

static schooner
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I imagine that the lower the price, the more whackos you attract

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try making each device $100

high remnant
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or if you want to get rid of it for free list it as $1

round crystal
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I feel like I just did a exorcism on a Philips Hue bulb using a Hue remote

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No power switch flipping. Just holding power + hue infront of it like "IN THE NAME OF HOME ASSISTANT I COMMAND YOU TO FACTORY RESET!"

scenic radish
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Yeah the Touchlink reset is nice

primal laurel
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have you tried that?

round crystal
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This was easier than reseting IKEA bulbs.

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And IKEA Tradfri are easy

primal laurel
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I remember having to flip the power switch like a madman to get those to pair

round crystal
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I know the feeling

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unrelated: I think my one Third Reality smart plug is dead

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Also unrelated: I just recieved my Conbee III Zigbee dongle

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One day I'll have Thread.

arctic quarry
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two realities not enough, huh

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greedy

static schooner
round crystal
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IKEA smart bulbs are amazing value

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I just wish my IKEA carried the brighter variant

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I can justify spending $110 per bulb on 1600 lumen Hue bulbs but I don't want to :v

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And fuck Nanoleaf.

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Fuck Thread

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How is it so unreliable when it's beside the border router

scenic radish
arctic quarry
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this brings me all the way back to when GSM phones were new

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guy on the couch going "hee hee imma call your phone" to the guy beside him and the call gets dropped

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guy goes "waitwait we just gotta cross the antennas"

high remnant
round crystal
arctic quarry
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I mean, it worked for those kiddy walkie talkies

static schooner
arctic quarry
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can't fault the guy for being 14 in the 90s

static schooner
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everyone knows that

round crystal
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I can't wait to buy my first townhouse and stuff it with smart crap

primal laurel
round crystal
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Owning a condo means no smart locks.

primal laurel
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sorry

arctic quarry
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make sure you get a cloud-only $2000 smart bed that folds up at 3 AM and refuses to release you

round crystal
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No

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It must cost $4000 and have a subscription

static schooner
round crystal
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and randomly leak

arctic quarry
#

and sells your fart frequency data graph to Elon Musk

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or smth idfk

round crystal
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I want to pay them to do that.

arctic quarry
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lol

round crystal
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It must have a subscription

arctic quarry
#

you could do it manually

scenic radish
round crystal
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it must be remotely bricked after 5 years

arctic quarry
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@elon 04:12 two second poot

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@elon 05:29 holy shit don't come in here

round crystal
scenic radish
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Wait

round crystal
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Also our condo uses "high security" anti copy keys

high remnant
scenic radish
#

Someone other than you has a key?

round crystal
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The property managment company

scenic radish
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Dafuq

static schooner
round crystal
scenic radish
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That seems weird for a condo that you own

primal laurel
static schooner
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ridged for the lock's pleasure

round crystal
scenic radish
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I've owned a condo before and didn't have to give anyone else a key

high remnant
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you now own a long corridor

scenic radish
#

I'm in the US though, maybe that's why?

round crystal
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They already have a copy

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A master key.

high remnant
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kinky

round crystal
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It's because idiots do thier own plumbing because "I'm not paying $500 to have a toilet installed" and it leaks water while they're out and they have a duty to minimize damage to common elements

scenic radish
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Regardless, you might be able to use something like the Kwikset Convert lock

round crystal
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Our condo building had 14 water leak incidents this year alone.

arctic quarry
#

I would prefer to own a condor

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in case those goddamn halloween kids come knocking

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just open the door and Drakor goes KWAAAAAAAA

high remnant
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trick or treat

round crystal
high remnant
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wait do people do trick or treating at condos too

round crystal
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we're gonna find out at our condo this year

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Our condo is mostly old people. We're one of the young families

scenic radish
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I have two of the Kwikset Convert Zigbee locks, and they've been very reliable apart from one of them needing to be re-paired randomly once

round crystal
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that's more re-assuring. I'm reading the reviews and a lot of people hate it

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Mostly people being like "I HAD IT OUTSIDE THE TEMPERATURE RANGE AND IT FAILED!"

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Also speaking of smart home stuff, I'm the guy with all the Parsoll sensors

scenic radish
#

Oh god

round crystal
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So far, one had to be re-paired once. But that's it.

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They're reliable so far

scenic radish
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Constant issues with those

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I'm convinced it's a firmware crash that causes them to stop sending messages at some point but the LED still blinks

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I did some sniffing of my zigbee network traffic and found that they go into a constant leave/rejoin loop that's transparent to the user

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No clue what triggers it, but they generally only stay working for a few weeks at a time before they need to be power cycled

round crystal
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I also have their water leak sensors. They're rock solid reliable except for the fact that they can be overly sensitive

round crystal
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If the battery voltage drops below around 1.1v they freak out.

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Ironic considering IKEA sells 1.2v NIMH batteries

scenic radish
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They've done it with both alkaline and rechargeables

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And they'll be at like 70% battery when it happens

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They're being discontinued and replaced by a similar product, so hopefully the new ones are better

round crystal
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Factory resetting my IKEA Tradfri RGB bulb just killed it.

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🙃

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I automated it with a smart plug.

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Bad idea.

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I forgot about inrush current.

arctic quarry
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🇸🇪 😶 🎺 SaluteBlobSaluteBlobSaluteBlob

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ok they look a bit too happy for a military funeral

round crystal
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It's flashing

arctic quarry
#

ok that's a sign

round crystal
#

wait

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now it wants to live

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wat

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???

arctic quarry
#

can't keep a viking down

round crystal
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I think it's firmware just freaked out

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It lives!

round crystal
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I just wish vikings had better firmware.

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I wanna try Hue essentials, but they're $25/bulb 🙃

arctic quarry
#

Hue is nice, but I actually went with Wiz because holy shit money is expensive

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I have OpenWRT on a "dumbhome" router that firewalls the shit out of those little snitching wifi bulbs

round crystal
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oh, hue is matter now

round crystal
solar zealot
#

hue my beloved

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unfortunately they kinda discontinued the 1600lm variants

round crystal
#

I just got my wifi working reliabily by switching channels

round crystal
#

then who do I buy 1600lm bulbs from?!

solar zealot
#

the new line does not seem to have 1600lm variants available and they have been pulled from shelves for a while as far as i can tell

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or wait no, they at least do for "white ambiance"

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there thy are

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80 bucks someone smoked one too many

round crystal
#

$80 is reasonable

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I've had my Hue bulbs at near 100% ontime at 100% brightness for five years.

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Two died from being dropped.

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0% downtime.

solar zealot
#

they have terrible cri for that price

round crystal
#

$80 for just works is worth it. If you're ok with quirks IKEA Tradfri for $13 works amazing too

solar zealot
#

id really not call 80 bucks a lamp worth it when a room needs 5 to 10 of them

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xD

round crystal
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5 - 10 1600lm bulbs?!

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for a single room

solar zealot
#

yes

round crystal
#

you doing surgery on your coffee table?!

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Or you have one of those homes with a 3000 sqf livingroom

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we use 3 800lm bulbs in our livingroom because they light the front hall and dining room too

solar zealot
#

if 800lm were enough i might aswell keep the light off

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i want to see stuff

dawn badge
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I want to move some stuff to zigbee soon™ but a bunch of wifi stuff that is also BT proxies is handy

round crystal
#

Go to Zigbee.

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Zigbee is truely the GOAT

dawn badge
#

will probably come up with some middle ground

round crystal
#

Cheap, Reliable, and easy to add routers

solar zealot
#

it works surprisingly good on hue, even if you "just" use their bridge