the-water-cooler

[forest edge]

i mean outside of the state

[tidal bronze]

I wouldn't step out of the hotel. Sweating at 6AM is not a thing.

[forest edge]

I mean YOU wouldn't survive cause you lost any evolutionary skin tolerances bnut normal people wouldn't start sweating lol

[unborn merlin]

yes its what we call a hellhole.. most of florida is.. 😛

its a shame we can't just looney-tunes eject the state..

[forest edge]

I went through both disneyworld and universal studios in 2003. had no issues with heat or humidity

[minor bobcat]

Let's compare codes, in germany a new roof has to withstand winds of 12 BFT (117kph)

[tidal bronze]

It must be paradise for you, coming from middle earth. Sorry, ain't the same for us. Lol.

[forest edge]

like i said, you lost all tolerences lol

[tidal bronze]

Why tolerate at all?

[unborn merlin]

its higher.

and here's the fun one

[forest edge]

at least we all know who's the first go after an apocolypse lol

[unborn merlin]

every fucking state has their own different code stuff.

northern states/states that have to deal with snow usually have higher standards (because y'know if a roof goes down with snow on it people are probably dying.)

this map tends to factor into codes sometimes as well.

[minor bobcat]

What a mess

[unborn merlin]

yeah since texas hasn't been getting randomly fucked up the ass by giant blizzards recently right? /s

[tidal bronze]

You gonna miss kale and almond milk.

[minor bobcat]

Considering we had several storms with over 200kph winds and "not much" happend i guess once again the germans overspecced everything

[unborn merlin]

I mean our houses also tend to just fucking light on fire at the slightest provocation too

since we build out of cheap garbage and etc 😛

[minor bobcat]

Yeah I'm surprised your code even mentioned 120mph sustained winds

[forest edge]

probably one of the first things to be removed from history books after the rebuilding of society

people would associate eating that crap along the same lines as cannibalism. dark times in earth's history

[unborn merlin]

dunno if it does

[scenic radish]

Almond milk is gross

[forest edge]

see

[scenic radish]

Soy milk is way better

[unborn merlin]

https://up.codes/viewer/new_york/ibc-2018/chapter/16/structural-design#figure_1609.3-1

Found one.

[forest edge]

the milk that shall not be named

[unborn merlin]

3 second gust wind load spec etc..

[minor bobcat]

There are some Zone 3 Homes being built (Coast of Florida and Hawaii i.E.) that are supposed to withstand that

[unborn merlin]

"supposed" to

except in those areas

its really not the wind thats gonna fucking end you

its the water that hits like a fucking bomb.

and cheap wood construction? Not really gonna work there

[tidal bronze]

macadamia milk

[unborn merlin]

this is from back in 2007 during katrina in florida

https://www.icfmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/2007-08-Standing-Up-to-the-Storm-02.jpg

[minor bobcat]

Probably bricks like around here

[unborn merlin]

that house that survived?

insulated concrete form house.

so basically just a big concrete walled-rebar-reinforced shithouse

giant hurricane?

like I give a fuck.

sure the windows gone but.. 😛

[minor bobcat]

Yeah that's what you get here

[unborn merlin]

built like they actually want it to last you mean?

yeah.. if I was given the shot

I'd be building ICF

[minor bobcat]

It's rare to see a single drywall around here

Even in between rooms

[unborn merlin]

ICF, ground source heat pump.. an extensive basement.. etc

[minor bobcat]

We use these fuckers lol

[unborn merlin]

ICF is literally like.. lego bricks that are hollow with rebar inside

that you stack up then fill

building an immensely sturdy structure.

[minor bobcat]

Yeah that's what you want

Also won't need much or any AC then

[unborn merlin]

not the cheap wood garbage nope.

[minor bobcat]

To get back to that topic lol

[unborn merlin]

well if I had ground source..

mmmm.. 🙃

[coarse iris]

wtf did the latest release of HA do? Lost connection to my Ecobee thermostat that was connected via homekit, couldnt find a way to get it readded. just installed a nest thermostat, thinking matter would just solve the issue, and nope, can't add that either

[minor bobcat]

Triple insulated windows and them bricks

[coarse iris]

already tried the q&a, not getting any responses since yesterday

[unborn merlin]

go check the logs.

[coarse iris]

nothing in there related to the attempted adds

[unborn merlin]

ecobee issues. is what I am saying..

there are logs for everything..

[coarse iris]

gave up on that and bought a nest thermostat to replace it, still cant get it to connect. times out on HA every time, both mobile app and browser

[forest edge]

so glad I am no longer working lmao https://youtube.com/shorts/t-TtyqY4td0?si=alI020ihbJk_xlkH

[unborn merlin]

nest is in a weird area, you have to do some bullshit with google console to get a good proper connection in my experience.

[coarse iris]

fan-fucking-tastic lol

[unborn merlin]

Its not hard.

[coarse iris]

about to just API it, but really wanted to use matter and keep everything within the vlan

[unborn merlin]

just tedious AF

[coarse iris]

what thermostat most easily intergrates into HA?

[unborn merlin]

🤷‍♂️ ecobee keeps workin for me

also.. an esphome based one most easily integrates.. because there's nothing between it and you. 😛

[coarse iris]

I didn't get API access, so the homekit integration shit the bag after last HA stable update earlier this week

[unborn merlin]

I mean.. ecobee via api worked fine for me.. I never went about homekit bullshit 🤷‍♂️

[coarse iris]

yeah, but I can't get it

🙁

[unborn merlin]

why not exactly? 🤔

[forest edge]

https://venstar.com/

[coarse iris]

they dont offer it anymore

[unborn merlin]

... wut?

[coarse iris]

https://www.ecobee.com/en-us/developers/

[unborn merlin]

... ah

Hm.

Sorry, we are not currently accepting new developer registrations at this time.

odd. 🤔

[coarse iris]

yeah, it was a miracle I got the homekit integration working

all good things must come to an end I guess

[unborn merlin]

... very odd to be honest.

mine still works but I've had it for.. years now

They must really be trying to piss people off.

[coarse iris]

yeah, you still have access

[tidal bronze]

Nest api works ok as long as you keep number of calls in check.

[coarse iris]

they stopped allowing applications for developer API in 2024

[coarse iris]

yeah, not worth it

welp, returning this google POS back to best buy tomorrow

[tidal bronze]

I run 3 and works just fine. Not a fan but works. Also looking for alternatives that's not a eyesore

[unborn merlin]

you tried using the menu under the regular login?

[tidal bronze]

No rizz

[forest edge]

why would you be pinging the nest api so much to begin with?

the whole point is that it "learns" and you don't mess with it

[tidal bronze]

Oh hell no. Nest doesn't learn shit.

[forest edge]

also didn't google like release that whole local fullfilment thing to bypass the cloud access?

[unborn merlin]

yeah I'm replacing someone nest gen2's with my custom made esp32 board...

... because they dont want to upgrade and spend that much goddamn money for like the 5 thermostats they got

[coarse iris]

the point of me using HA is for Nest to literally just work as a thermostat, letting HA deal with setpoints, thats it

[forest edge]

venstar is about as closet to full local control as you are going to find outside of something with zigbee/zwave control

[tidal bronze]

I have dynamic pre-cool, solar radiation etc etc. So one day I need to find a local solution

[unborn merlin]

https://github.com/jmcollin78/versatile_thermostat <-

can stack ontop of other thermostats and etc.

[coarse iris]

interesting

[unborn merlin]

... tho I am planning to use the board I made with that instead of any cloud shit

this thing.

I do need to.. finish assembling the boards.. got busy.. 🙃

[tidal bronze]

I am planning to leave the nest for eye candy and run esp at the air handler myself. Tired of this no so smart thermostats

[unborn merlin]

well its less directly a smart thermostat and more a control box for the air handler

intending to add return/output air sensors and etc

[forest edge]

whats more eye candy than the nest tho?

wasn't that your whole issue lol

[unborn merlin]

CANBUS connectivity for eventual smart-vents to control that interestingly and etc...

[tidal bronze]

Eye candy is a must.

[unborn merlin]

thats wh yit has leds.

😛

[tidal bronze]

Can't be some 3d printed BS on a wall

[unborn merlin]

esp32c6 so it can technically be made a thread/zigbee device as well

[unborn merlin]

I mean it can.

It just has to be well finished.

which most people don't tend to go for when making most 3d printed stuff

[forest edge]

just flush mount a touch screen and show whatever digital thermostat you want on the screen lol

[tidal bronze]

Finally

[unborn merlin]

if I was doing wall mounted stuff I'd probably honestly

just send it away for MJF or SLS printing

[tidal bronze]

Only way.

[unborn merlin]

since my resin printer is a right fucking fuck

(I hate resin printer, or more specifically the whole fucking messy process.)

[forest edge]

looks good to me

https://garrisonandgarrison.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/1453-1249688646qb4h.jpg

[tidal bronze]

Better than 3d printed for sure

[unborn merlin]

I mean again.

... that could be done better if one put effort in with 3d printer.. 😛

but like our house.. really needed a smart thermostat

I had to push the family to do it

but like.. second floor is a single heating zone.. all the bedrooms have the same hydronic pipes.

but the thermostats in the fucking hallway where the heat doesnt actively get to

so it used to always just fucking bake the rooms

[static schooner]

Many years ago I used the mercury switch from one of those to rig up a water level sensor. Good times...

[unborn merlin]

now you gave the mercury to RFK to play with; right?

[atomic delta]

He'd drink it.

[unborn merlin]

probably yes.

[static schooner]

It's a pure mineral, after all

[forest edge]

i guess you could technically use one of those vials for all sorts of detections of things

[static schooner]

Sensors and automation were so delightfully primitive back then. Late 90s

[unborn merlin]

yeah.. that thing I'm making I intend to make some other PCBS too probably

for screen/end control stuff

for air handlers.. I was going to be using remote sensors but like.. if I just turn the fan on occasionally that would be a better way to tell the room temp too..

or figuring out how to properly control the damn air handlers fan speed...

[primal laurel]

you mean electrically? or control logic?

[proper swift]

he means where specifically does he place the pellets so the hamsters push the lever

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/yessir-4t-4tomistalt-4tomist-4tmeme-gif-14459048726828889418

[forest edge]

generally more reliable you say

[unborn merlin]

electrically.

the mfr (carrier) does not make it easy

its an ECM motor so its definitely controllable

but... how exactly is the best question

[unborn merlin]

I left open I2c and GPIO headers on the board so I can do stuff with it.. but will see how exactly. 🤔

[tidal bronze]

I miss that mercury

[inland ore]

hi guys, i've been using HA for years, and kept being logged on about the same time, unfortunately, i got logged off, and all login i use are denied (checked supervisor, none registered, not even "homeassistant" ) is it a way to find my username/login ? don't want to reset everything...

[lavish badger]

#1284966540617449515 perhaps?

[unborn merlin]

https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/locked_out/#home-assistant-including-supervised

[inland ore]

yeah, unfortunately, once logged off, i don't know the UN, and therefore can't change the PW

[unborn merlin]

https://www.home-assistant.io/common-tasks/os/#listing-all-users-from-the-command-line

[inland ore]

is it a way to leave the HA command line to access the linux environment ?

[unborn merlin]

you don't need to.

it literally provides you all of the stuff you need at the HA cmd

[robust flicker]

My hometown coffee shop, y'all. 🤣

"can I drive my lawnmower through the drive thru?" 🤣🤣🤣

[unborn merlin]

the most redneck ass place ever

[robust flicker]

Home sweet home. 😂

[dawn badge]

@inland ore if you are still having issues after fully reading the and making use of the linked documentation then please move the discussion to a thread in #1284966540617449515

[inland ore]

THXXXXXXXXXXXXXX KISS KISS KISS that helped tremendously !!!!! found it.... and my PW was correct.... just had an extra X too much.....

[unborn merlin]

probably even permit mobility scooters through it too.

despite how fucking dumb that'd look. 😄

[robust flicker]

I mean, it's in a small strip mall 🤣

[unborn merlin]

becuse you must be able to be as fat and lazy as possible.

'murica

[static schooner]

I'm bothered by the seemingly obvious photoshop job of the 5 star reviews 🙂

Like they had done 1 star reviews and just copied the stars with uneven spacing

[robust flicker]

Nah

https://maps.app.goo.gl/AQSgbbLNwat81vCd8

[static schooner]

Riddle me that, Batman

[robust flicker]

For a place that spent almost 2 whole years being run out of a f**ing food truck because the county inspectors drug their ass getting approval for him to open the actual building he's doing pretty good.

[unborn merlin]

wellhe should've tried being richer and bribing them

this is murica.

that's how it works

or wait was it russia that worked that way..

Eh its probably not important... 😛

[robust flicker]

Y'know... Poking fun is one thing. But you're starting to be downright insulting. Jonny is a good guy. This is a very small, unincorporated town where everybody knows everybody....

[unborn merlin]

I was talking about the inspectors dragging their feet

because everything goes faster when you pay more. because 'murica.

I think even.. mamdani ran on his thing talking about a similar thing regarding food cart shit

where the people running it end up.. (in NYC) paying like thousands/tens of thousands to some middleman asshole to use their license somehow instead of the city getting money and etc.. because.. reaaasons?

Meanwhile: MCdonalds bypassing the cleaning procedures on the icecream machines.

[static schooner]

I have nothing against Jonny, I'm just making a nitpick, geeky comment about the spacing around some stars 🙂

[lavish badger]

You're talking about the city where a hot dog vendor can spend $150k on a vendor license.

[unborn merlin]

thats how you know costco isn't around there much.. because their owner would fucking kill a man to keep the prices down. /s

[forest edge]

you don't think a hot dog vender in NY couldn't sell over 7k hotdogs to recoup a license fee?

[lavish badger]

They can but the whole concept is insane.

[forest edge]

so is the price per hotdog lol

yet people pay it

[lavish badger]

Like there's one guy with a spot outside the Met IIRC, he has to sleep in his van to hold the spot.

[forest edge]

well that just comes with the territory

that person dosen't have to pay rent or utilies etc either

[lavish badger]

I mean...he has a wife and an apartment, so he does....

[forest edge]

not really the same is it

if residential rent in NY is high.. imagine commercial lol

[lavish badger]

Oh yeah, watch Louis Rossman when he was still there and trying to move his shop

$50k+/mo

[forest edge]

I think I did watch that lol

[lavish badger]

I'm not sure I'd move to Texas but I sure as heck would never move to NYC

[forest edge]

so sleeping in a van to hold a primo free spot to sell food sounds like a good deal lol

[lavish badger]

Only good thing about NYC is the food...well and train system is good.

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-fuego-gif-26833875

https://bsky.app/profile/metaltxt.bsky.social/post/3lxfhdumxmc2g

metal dot txt (@metaltxt.bsky.social)

Check this shit out motherfucker

*embargoes own country*

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Bluesky · Aug 27, 2025, 4:31 PM

I cant wait to be incapable of getting goddamn anything 😄

[static schooner]

That'll have a devastating effect on my ability to source Vegemite from Australia

[unborn merlin]

unless you do the fun thing

which is use like

UPS or DHL

who will fucking sodomize you with their brokerage fees.

[forest edge]

finally! an end to all the garbage flowing into this country. maybe we'll see a shift where quality items outnumber crap again like long ago

[unborn merlin]

ah yes.

Quality items made.

... **oh right we don't and cannot actually make shit here oops. 😉 **

[forest edge]

you just can't make up your mind on rather to keep me blocked or not can you?

[unborn merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZTGwcHQfLY

literally impossible; even for something simple. 🙃

I don't open facebook so occasionally I do have to click unhide to get my dose of dumbass deluded boomer.

[forest edge]

uh huh

[unborn merlin]

don't worry I won't bother doing it anymore I got my dose of deluded moron.

😄 we cannot and do not make shit here; nor will we anytime soon in the next 5-10 years because that's just.. not how any of that works (just go look at how much of a giant problem TSMC's build in arizona is ending up being..)

but hey when that time comes I can't wait to see.. 2000-3000$ iphones.

[forest edge]

starvation is a good motivator

[copper kindle]

Any recommended “ipv6 for dummies” reading?

[glacial knot]

yea, this sentence:
IPv4 is fine for home stuff. And IPv6 just works™ for internet purposes

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/chandler-bing-can-of-worms-gif-24755182

[copper kindle]

I not asking about home stuff, I want to have a better understanding of ipv6 in general

[glacial knot]

it's the same as 4, but bigger

otherwise, read about SLAAC. that's really the only special thing

[dawn badge]

be prepared to slam your head into the desk repeatedly as you go about it.

[unborn merlin]

thread is a deep state plot to make us use IPv6..

🙃

[dawn badge]

e.g. you think DNS is bad, try doing it with ipv6 involved. it just fucks off and does its own thing. just goes "yeah you told me to do that but I would quite like to do this instead so I am going to ignore you completely"

[glacial knot]

hm? it's just AAAA resources

[dawn badge]

you could definitely be right.

[glacial knot]

needs to set up v6 delegation in the homenet again

[primal laurel]

you can do IPv6 over BLE for about a decade now 🤓

[simple gazelle]

It's called an AAAA resource as that's the noise you make when trying to do IPV6 for the first time

[dawn badge]

its not the records that i have an issue with, its where it tried to get them from without asking. then shits itself when you block it doing its own thing and causes dns to completely fail.

i am prepared to believe i am configuring shit badly. but the fact that it can do this shit at all is the problem

[ocean oar]

No, I think you're onto something. Everything about v6 seems less... deterministic... somehow than v4, despite all attempts to the contrary

[glacial knot]

there's a lot more auto-configuration stuff

which is confusing when you don't want it to do that

[twilit venture]

Should've just added another octet and call it done

[ocean oar]

Just one more octet, bro.
I promise bro just one more octet and it'll all connect properly.
Bro c'mon, just put one more octet in the RFC.
Bro please we just need one more octet.

[twilit venture]

or 2

could've still called IPv6

since 6 octets

gpt did the math

some 283 trillion

Would've been enough till the next extinction event.

[high remnant]

ipv6 brrrr

[dawn badge]

we would still burn through them cos some idiot would give a few hundred billion addresses to a network printer cos its was easier or some shit.

[twilit venture]

doubt.jpg

[high remnant]

I just disable ipv6

https://tenor.com/oljWpT4FzS8.gif

[twilit venture]

Same - and I dislike it's hash-like addressing

[dawn badge]

that's been my solution for now until i have the time and sanity to spare to try again

[high remnant]

Same. Which I never have

So CBA

:D

[twilit venture]

Consider this though

If most of us (who presumably hold some technical skills) reek at IPv6

How big of a neck beard did the guy who came up with it had

[dawn badge]

its also horrifying that we all know that we need it but still reek at it.

[high remnant]

its just ugh

[twilit venture]

Yeah - adoption is still low

way lower than expected

[high remnant]

there is no incentive

its more complex and thus more costly

why adopt IPv4 if I can just implement a NAT

[dawn badge]

matter is a big reason why i know ill probably need it at some point

[twilit venture]

Technically, 192.x is still IPv4 :p

[high remnant]

or not

I have decided not to move to matter

[twilit venture]

I'm on zigbee

[high remnant]

same

[twilit venture]

don't give a fck

[dawn badge]

also as more and more isp's are implementing CG-NAT on ipv4 if you want external access then you need 6

[high remnant]

yup

[dawn badge]

thats not a problem thats going to go away

[high remnant]

implementing a nat of cgnat is just easier

[twilit venture]

There are multiple options to mitigate for CG-NAT

which i'm sure some of you already use

[dawn badge]

yeah a lot of people end up doing it through lack of choice but using some kind of relay is just a total mess

[high remnant]

I mean from an ISP perspective I get it

most people do not give a flying fuck

(and the company I work for is probably single handedly worsening the IPv4 exhaustion by hoarding IP blocks)

[twilit venture]

I could've gotten a cheap /24 10 years ago

"What am I going to do with it? Nah..."

[high remnant]

RIP

[dawn badge]

oh I get it, most people don't understand or care. however they should have the option to get an address if you ask for one. even if its at a small extra cost.

i know people that got cg-nat dumped on them randomly and it made the service unusable to them so they told them they needed an address or they needed to cancel the contract. they let him leave.

[high remnant]

Form an ISP perspective I get that an ISP would rather see the customer go or get a business account in stead of a consumer account

From simplicity sake

for all the crap I self host I just use a CF tunnel

[forest edge]

the one damn morning that I am up and ready to catch the asshat down the street who keeps cutting through my front yard with his dog and it turned out to be his wife who respects people's yards this time

[copper kindle]

For what I just read, that guy might very well be the one that designed ipv6

[minor bobcat]

I had a customer who had IPv6 enabled and everything auto. One of his printers regularly switched between v4 and v6 in windows

That was fun to find

[primal laurel]

gotta be DHCP?

[dawn marlin]

Im lucky enough my isp lets me pay a little more for a static ipv4

[robust flicker]

That moment when you finally say enough is enough, and decide to solve the "zipper on my laptop bag keeps hooking my beltloop" problem.

[scenic radish]

wut

[robust flicker]

I soldered the openings on the zipper hardware that was hooking the belt loop

[high remnant]

??

<@&330946878646517761> this feels... off?

[arctic quarry]

it was spam

[high remnant]

and its gone

[scenic radish]

yeah, taken care of, thanks

[lone dagger]

you're spam

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/bG2EM.gif

[dawn marlin]

Monty python!

[high remnant]

YES

with SPAM

[forest edge]

oh man did i miss my chance to win 50 steam bucks?

[high remnant]

I can give you 50, if you pay me 250 in fees

[dawn marlin]

May I have some SPAM to go with my SPAM please?

[forest edge]

hard pass

[arctic quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-no-u-gif-14873396

[minor bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/kenny-were-the-millers-you-guys-are-getting-paid-will-poulter-gif-15947352

[high remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

[dawn marlin]

I didn’t want to do this but you all have forced my hand, the image you are about to see may be disturbing to some individuals. It may induce feelings of rage and hatred

🖨️

[forest edge]

https://hoobs.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/HOOBS-Pluginicons-tuya_1-1.jpg

[minor bobcat]

Sick 🖨️

[arctic quarry]

deranged

[minor bobcat]

Love printers

[scenic radish]

Brother, you need a Brother

[minor bobcat]

Sitting next to 6 different ones right now. 7 if you count the Brother label printer😉

[tidal bronze]

Finally!

[forest edge]

getting ya some tuya zwave stuff are you?

[dawn marlin]

I will be cold and in my grave before I buy another tuya product

[forest edge]

-# didn't even know they sold zwave crap till I just thought this up lol

[tidal bronze]

GE for me

[forest edge]

ew

[dawn marlin]

Ugh I need to get around to replacing my old smoke detectors with smart ones

[forest edge]

well i guess that's also walmart cheap lol

[tidal bronze]

Wait I do have 1 zooz device 🙂

[dawn marlin]

I found a set of like 4 hue lights with hub at a pallet store for $10 and they’ve lasted me like 3 years so far

I’ve bought a couple more since then, but they are so easy to just setup and forget

[forest edge]

shocked you didn't go all out on these since they finally dropped https://inovelli.com/collections/z-wave-light-switches-red-series

[scenic radish]

P R E M I U M

[tidal bronze]

I have no reason to change everything in the house that's perfect. Tried and tested.

[dawn marlin]

Wow boring

[scenic radish]

[dawn marlin]

I bet you don’t apply server patches at 4:30 on a Friday either!

🤣

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/hawk-tuah-hawktuah-spit-spitting-spits-gif-18030673182659224111

[tidal bronze]

Show me a PREMIUM dimmer with built-in PIR

[warm helm]

are you a monster?

[forest edge]

you not see the switch that has the mmwave baked in?

[tidal bronze]

I did. I want PIR on dimmers. mmwave is already done.

They look nice though

[forest edge]

but pir fails so hard

[tidal bronze]

I run 2x PIR and 2 x mmwave minimum per room

[forest edge]

gnat gonna fly into your bathroom and turn on your daily routine "disco mode" at odd hours of the night

[tidal bronze]

mmwave is not a good friend when it comes to robovacs and ceiling fans

[forest edge]

at switch height...

[tidal bronze]

Welp, distance

[forest edge]

I will say a vent blowing hot air will trigger the mmwave stuff I have but not had anything else be a false positive

[tidal bronze]

You can dumb it down then throw distance becomes an issue. Easy fix with PIR combo.

[forest edge]

can't imagine a switch with both.. maybe for EU and thier brick size flpper switches but not for us

[tidal bronze]

All my custom built mmwave includes PIR. Plus wall PIR Dimmer

[forest edge]

thats crazy

[tidal bronze]

Completely hands-free. NO UI, needs crazy

[warm helm]

That seems like your wall will have more zits than dust

[forest edge]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/17/eb/cf17eb0d1dec9a10cc9d8d12824c67f6.gif

[tidal bronze]

Some more than others

[forest edge]

wtf

time to move that outlet and it's growths to a new location

[tidal bronze]

My test mmwave plugin before production location

[forest edge]

now see if you got that switch with it baked in you wouldn't even need that monstrosity lol

[tidal bronze]

It will be inwall

Gotta test for at least a month before final placement

[scenic radish]

i hope that switch is flashed with tasmota or esphome

[tidal bronze]

It is

[spring loom]

Does anyone have a guide or a deep dive article on pros/cons of switching an extensive hue setup to be controlled primarily with HA and a zigbee adapter? Thinking of making the jump but I'm hesitant because I use google homes to control the lights mostly

[tidal bronze]

Darn it, just noticed a major issue here. 🤣

[warm helm]

no real reason to switch if you are using bulbs.

[forest edge]

the air freshener is pumping out vanilla and not coconut?

[tidal bronze]

2 screw heads ain't vertical.

[forest edge]

really?

shocked you even have those plates and not the lutron ones that show no screws lol

[tidal bronze]

Don't like them.

[spring loom]

Bulbs, sensors, multiple switches, sync box, multiple gradient strips

[tidal bronze]

Is it working the way you want now?

[spring loom]

It is, I just have mixed bulbs in my living room between hue and govee and was hoping to be able to combine the light recipes without needing to adjust the groups individually

[tidal bronze]

govee modded with wled?

[spring loom]

No, not sure what that is

[tidal bronze]

https://kno.wled.ge/

You might have a use case going with HA. I do have govee but don't know how it works natively

[warm helm]

The only real benefit of joining them to a better mesh if you don't have mesh issues. its a lot of work for not much else

[proper swift]

You sir, are a fiend for showing me that those exist. That is going to cost me some $$

[real heron]

Anyone having problems with Wiz bulbs the last two days

[scenic radish]

Assuming you're talking about using them with the WiZ integration, you'll want to make a post in #1284966582375813201

[real heron]

thanks

[urban viper]

📣 We've created a survey to learn more about your current hardware setup and its challenges regarding Home Assistant. 👀

We'd greatly appreciate it if you took 15-30 minutes to help us understand the devices you run Home Assistant on and other services you use in your home. 🙏🏻

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfH4QL4VqJ0

[proper swift]

It makes me deeply sad when I comment something out in the dashboard yaml editor, and then it just deletes out the commented lines....

[static schooner]

Switch to YAML...

The only part of the UI editor is the live update when changing things. Everything else I find tedious and easier to do in a text editor

[primal laurel]

that ship sailed many years ago

[static schooner]

you can grab the YAML and switch at any time 🙂

[proper swift]

yeah, the live editor is a big deal tho, and I do like the simple mode for less fiddly dashboards

[static schooner]

As soon as I start using card_mod to customize things, I end up needing to drill down into the YAML every single time anyway. I'm only using the UI for my tablets and I need to move them to YAML at some point

[supple grotto]

@lone dagger filled in the survey, FYI there was one question where the 0-10 scale was counter intuitive with 10 being almost never or something like that.

[normal moon]

The theme seemed to be 0 - undesirable -> 10 - desirable, so the direction for magnitude switched depending if it was measuring something that was desirable or undesirable

[lone dagger]

Yeah, it's been noted, but we can't change the survey after it's been published and responses already submitted. 🫣 Thanks for making sure we knew about it, though!

[supple grotto]

Yes I figured the survey itself can't be changed anymore, wanted to make sure it was known in case adding a warning where the scale is less obvious was possible

[proper swift]

I wish my bond bridge would hurry up and get here so I can goof off and play with it

[primal laurel]

You really need to stop copy pasting chatgpt responses, and even worse, assuming they are up to date with current affairs

[summer depot]

I REALLY don't care what you have to say.

And ... you've been blocked

[primal laurel]

You don't even have anything to say. You just let chatgpt speak for you 🤣

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/calm-down-a-bit-calm-down-relax-gif-10599880

[warm helm]

Also what are those wierd shapped Es? 😛

[warm helm]

He says a lot, just nothing of value and very agressive because he's wrong

[lone dagger]

You're a weirdly shaped e.

[atomic delta]

I read a google AI summary earlier today for a search I did. It told me a change had been made in a codebase in 2023, gave me a commit hash, and listed the reasons the commit was made.

The change in question was -not- made, and in 2022 it was decided not to make that change at all because it would break workflows. The commit it gave didn't exist.

[warm helm]

Fair, though its more of an S shape

[atomic delta]

I swear, the best treatment for reliance on AI is just trying to use one.

[primal laurel]

It's hilarious when you ask it for quotes or sources, it gives a source but the thing it was claiming is completely unrelated. This happens in real life too btw, in research papers or school reports haha

[scenic radish]

source: trust me bro

[dawn marlin]

I’ve used it for some example code before, but led to write the code and more as a search engine to aggregate preexisting stuff

[ocean oar]

Sadly not for a lot of people. The plagiarism machine can spit out vaguely plausible content for plenty of uses, and those people love not having to remember, nor think. The problem is when you're asking it to be accurate, especially in any kind of technical capacity.
The problem I have is the people who will aggressively defend it, like "my chatgpt would never, it knows what I've told it and only works with that", as if they're realistically moving that needle more than the last couple of tenths of a percent.

Actually have more respect for people who own that and give no shits, they at least aren't fooling themselves

[loud crest]

Hi, have you ever made Home Assistant work for two houses at the same time? Now I’m trying to figure out how to pass the network from one house to the other, probably the best way would be to set up IPSec between the main router that is in the main house and the country house router with IPSec.

[atomic delta]

I like feeding them complex mathematical questions with firm answers and seeing how they respond when I ask "Are you sure?" a couple times. A few models I've seen say "yes, I'm sure, to reiterate..." and give me a different response every time.

[ocean oar]

https://defector.com/it-took-many-years-and-billions-of-dollars-but-microsoft-finally-invented-a-calculator-that-is-wrong-sometimes

[atomic delta]

I think the last one I tripped them up hard with was "What is the expected atmospheric pressure in inches mercury for an elevation of 4600 feet above sea level under average weather conditions?" Got like... six different answers in a row from "Are you sure?"

That's the thing though, essentially all I want from AI is Wolfram Alpha, and it's been doing just fine for decades.

[ocean oar]

And then (gpt at least) they've given it this gross "oops, tee hee" persona to go with those admissions of blatantly incorrect responses, just to make you hate it even more

[atomic delta]

I'm curious if the one I just asked will turn out accurate when I test it.

The expected flow rate of CO2 through a 10-32 hole at 50 psi supply pressure and 25.5 inHg atmospheric pressure is approximately 0.00186 ft³/min, which is equivalent to about 0.1116 scfm when adjusted for standard conditions.

And by "it" I mean GPT-4o via duck.ai because fuuuuuuck chatgpt.

[primal laurel]

It can do symbolic math. That's one of the more useful skills

[atomic delta]

That's the thing though, it can do the actual math part, but figuring out how to set up the equation can make it sweat bricks sometimes.

[lilac ether]

is there a good guide to make LLMs like qwen be better at controlling home assistant? So far my results are just okay-ish, and I don't know how much is to blame on the LLMs not being the behemoth that run on super expensive servers and how much can be improved with better prompting or a better MCP contract

[lone dagger]

I don't think there are any specific guides (yet???).

[sharp scaffold]

heh this server is such a chaos, can't find anything

why are there 20000 channels, all with old content

[lone dagger]

I need to fine tune my ollama instance to better control things, too, but it'll be a time consuming task.

[sharp scaffold]

you have ollama controlling things? 😮

[atomic delta]

I need to fine tune my ollama instance to mug a microcenter so it has enough RAM for some of the heavy models.

[warm helm]

like a regular automation that does exactly what you tell it with extra steps 😛

[lone dagger]

That's a stretch to say. It tries. I haven't fully reined the thing in.

[atomic delta]

And yeah, I have voice control fallback on hermes3 via ollama when HA fails to handle a command on its own. I use hermes3 because it's fast, but I would not recommend it.

[lone dagger]

I just swapped to....uh....

checks

[sharp scaffold]

people are going AI crazy, the other day a coworker wanted to translate the UI live with AI, on every load
automations could work like that too, you write it in prose then it hits the LLM for actions every single time

[lilac ether]

@lone dagger so far the best small model for me is the new qwen3-instruct-2507:4B

[lone dagger]

GEMMA

[sharp scaffold]

anyway, I'm here about zigbee/z2m, what's a good place to ask for help?

[atomic delta]

Yeah, no. I just want a voice assistant that isn't a complete and utter failure and doesn't take multiple minutes to respond to a command. I'm running it on a GTX 1060 6GB though, which... is not optimal.

[scenic radish]

@sharp scaffold #1284966617670881350 with the Zigbee tag

[atomic delta]

#1284966617670881350

[primal laurel]

There's a programming language for formal verification and writing proofs, called lean. It has some promise to be a good tool for AI to use to validate its own statements

[lone dagger]

Ooh, nice. I swapped to gemma because it seemed like it would be the best on my device.

I maxed out my RAM on a 4b model.

[lilac ether]

gemma was my model until 2 days ago

[lone dagger]

One of my close friends is using an M4 mini for her deepseek server and she's in love.

[warm helm]

I am debating that or one of the new jetson nanos, I just want the 64GB version'

[lone dagger]

I just need a couple more pieces of RAM, my GPU can handle this shit.

[lilac ether]

but qwen3 released a july update in which qwen3 was splitted in two models, one with thinking enabled and another one named "instruct" which does not "think" but is tuned for being good at following instructions

but still, I feel that it makes silly mistakes that could be fixed with better prompts. Some of the more blatant ones are things like calling the HassLightSet tool, with the right entity, but forgets to pass a "brightness"

that looks like a hole in the description of the MCP tools

[lone dagger]

Have you tried the new intents in beta? I haven't yet.

I wonder how those will help.

[lilac ether]

I have not, link?

[atomic delta]

I haven't touched this beta. I should probably consider it though.

[lilac ether]

https://rc.home-assistant.io/blog/2025/08/27/release-20259/ doesn't mention anything about intents other than one for controlling the volume

[lone dagger]

Bottom bullet. https://rc.home-assistant.io/blog/2025/08/27/release-20259/#other-noteworthy-changes

It says the non-llm stuff has been improved.

[dawn marlin]

Lobotomized

[lone dagger]

So I wonder if it would impact how fallback would work.

[lilac ether]

ah, probably that might reduce the amount of times it has to fallback to the LLM

[atomic delta]

I just stopped to actually read that in full and... what.

[lilac ether]

one petpeeve of mine is being able to ask a voice assistant (ANY voice assistant) to perform two actions in a single command. With LLMs I'm starting to be able, but it's not precise enough. It has gotten it right a few times tho

things like "Turn on the living room and turn off the kitchen"

[atomic delta]

The one question I want to be able to ask my HA voice assistant that I haven't ever managed to get to work is "Which zigbee devices are offline at the moment?"

[lilac ether]

I don't think that's something that the voice assistant can help with. AFAIK, the information shared with LLMs includes the name and aliases of the devices and its state, but not what their technology is

LLMs don't know if a light is zigbee, wifi or works with smoke signals

[unborn merlin]

llms don't know anything

[lilac ether]

well, change "don't know" for "are not told"

[atomic delta]

I would assume it should be able to identify which integration is providing the devices.

But that's true, I should add an instruction that when I refer to zigbee devices, I mean devices provided by the ZHA integration.

[unborn merlin]

why? its not intelligent.

[lilac ether]

I think that HA intentionally gives LLMs the smallest amount of information, which is a good thing. If you give them too much data to chew they are slower and less precise

[sharp scaffold]

what's the standard way of mapping zigbee ids to roles, map them in z2m or change their names in HA?

[atomic delta]

Simply because that seems like important information for the LLM to have.

[sharp scaffold]

it looks like I just recreated all my devices and they all lost their names, breaking all automations, joy

[unborn merlin]

its open source; go write the code to inform it. 🙃

[atomic delta]

lol, I don't hate myself -that- much yet.

[unborn merlin]

and nor are we ever going to see an actual intelligent model anytime in our lifetime.

beeecause..

https://circumstances.run/@davidgerard/115095151979037275

Math.

David Gerard (@[e-mail])

When I say AGI is impossible, I mean: it requires mathematics that doesn't exist to model biology we don't understand to implement functions nobody can define. That's "impossible" in any practical sense.

fluxus.io/article/alchemy-2-el…

EDIT: christ this post is turning out to be a moron magnet

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[warm helm]

Which is why you use LLMs to help you write code and automations and do not rely on it

[unborn merlin]

Already tried doing it once or twice; it didnt give me something that worked so I had to just.. pick up some of the templating language myself

😮‍💨

[unborn merlin]

Techbros: we clearly just need to start feeding poor people into the ai models to power it better! /s

[primal laurel]

There's a quite well established theory about how biological systems optimize themselves. The main challenges right now are that its quite difficult to do computational work with it on a computer

[atomic delta]

https://tenor.com/view/soylentgreen-people-cannibalism-soylent-food-gif-5486936

[unborn merlin]

almost like we.. don't really understand it....

[atomic delta]

So I tried posing the same exact question to a couple different models and apparently it'll take somewhere between 1.5 seconds and 46 minutes to complete a task for work.

Nice to have a concise range. :P

[unborn merlin]

that's the "free" stuff tho

try paying them duh.

[atomic delta]

Not a chance in hell

[unborn merlin]

I mean they're not going to be profitable either way.. but pay them! /s

[atomic delta]

Honestly, I would consider paying them if they didn't take my data and attempt to monetize it in the process.

But it's just a given that you give them your money -and- your data.

[unborn merlin]

how dare you antisemitic communist! /s

daring to say a company shouldn't be selling your data

how dare you!

[lone dagger]

I think the only current solution is coding in your own fuzzy language recognition into some sentence trigger automations. At least...that's all I've found so far.

Like how there's a blueprint for sentence recognition for Music Assistant.

But maybe I'm missing something, too.

[unborn merlin]

tuya devices?

[lone dagger]

I will ban you.

[primal laurel]

not completely. But enough to do useful things with it. This is completely unrelated to how current LLMs operate though

[unborn merlin]

of course it is. we're talking about things for a second there that can actually learn or adapt.. 😛

[stuck mortar]

Corporations are people too, or something

[atomic delta]

Honestly, I think the two automations I'd like to make are one to list zigbee devices that stopped responding and one to identify and delete unavailable entities from the glances integration. I have no idea where to start with either of those tasks though.

[unborn merlin]

no no no you see its more like

[atomic delta]

I'll deal with it sometime when I'm not dealing with my current headache :P

[unborn merlin]

we and you aren't people

people are only people with proper net worth or something. /s

[atomic delta]

I simplified my question and tried again. A few times. Results:

Given CO2 flowing at 50psi and 25.5 inHg atmospheric pressure at 80F through a 10-32 hole, how long would it take to flow 3g total?

GPT-4o mini: 8.66 seconds
GPT-5 mini: 0.283 seconds
Llama 4 Scout: 1.5 seconds
Claude Haiku 3.5: Ask a fluid dynamics specialist
Mistral Small 3: 2.31 seconds

Now I'm curious what the actual results will be.

I'll have to do the math myself. :P

[lone dagger]

I just bust out a calculator.

[unborn merlin]

or you ask wolfram alpha

... the actual thing that is decent for answering questions like this.

[atomic delta]

I mean, I'm going to buy a $100 flowmeter so I can tell what the actual flow rate is, and then the math is straightforward.

[atomic delta]

That's my go-to admittedly, I just wanted to see how confused the models would get.

[lilac ether]

I use my LLM to do math while cooking if a recipe is for 2 ppl and I'm making it for 3. As in, "Divide 350 between by two and multiply it by 3". Same thing

[unborn merlin]

... google's search bar uesd to be able to do simple shit like that without slop

[atomic delta]

That said, I don't pay for WA Pro, so I can't actually ask it a question that same way.

[primal laurel]

this particular form of AI is able to 😛

[atomic delta]

Ooh, forgot about asking Google's garbage! Google says 0.4 seconds.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/llamas-with-hats-carl-gif-11198270

Using lamas to control homes...

[dawn marlin]

PAAAUUUULLLL

[static schooner]

Claude Haiku 3.5: Ask a fluid dynamics specialist
I'm disappointed that the answer isn't in the form of a haiku

[atomic delta]

I'd exclusively use that model if it only answered in haiku

[static schooner]

It may be wrong, but at least it answers in style

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/42-hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-answer-life-universe-gif-11206785

[lone dagger]

You can tell it to do so in its instructions.

[atomic delta]

Here's a technical haiku capturing the essence of the gas flow calculation:

Pressure whispers soft
Fifty pounds squeeze through thin thread
Three grams drift away

The haiku playfully encapsulates the key elements:

• <b>50 psi</b> of pressure
• <b>10-32 thread</b> (thin hole)
• <b>3 grams</b> of CO2 flowing
• The ephemeral nature of gas movement

[warm helm]

-noai

[lone dagger]

-# I swapped to Kagi.

[atomic delta]

I use DDG myself

[lone dagger]

I did until they kept pushing their AI every 30 days.

[atomic delta]

I don't mind the odd AI summary as long as it's small and unobtrusive. I even listen to the AI summary when it's something like "What map in Warframe contains this enemy?"

[warm helm]

I'd switch but I'd have to do it to so many devices and I am lazy

[lone dagger]

Complacency is how they get you!

[warm helm]

I am already got.

[lone dagger]

I won't bother trying to save you then.

[atomic delta]

Oh damn, speaking of being lazy, I forgot to look and see if anyone had reported the issues with the newest android app release. For like... a week or whatever now.

[warm helm]

It would only get you added to those stupid government lists. Save yourself not me

[unborn merlin]

pretty sure I'm already on one

for insulting the glorious leader of course.

[lilac ether]

I didn't notice any difference. Wether that's good or bad, I leave it to you

[lone dagger]

I'm sure I'm on several lists already.

[atomic delta]

I'll be honest, I just didn't feel like looking up where to find the HA forums.

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/dictator-sasha-cohen-hug-hugging-gif-8894079

[iron granite]

He's making a list, and checking it twice; Gonna find out who's naughty and nice.

[warm helm]

I have the liberator 3d files saved. :/

[atomic delta]

Oh, good, someone else reported the android app issue and it's already been dealt with, it's just waiting on Google approving the update.

Laziness pays off!

[warm helm]

its me

[high remnant]

I am pretty sure that MS developers have never used an trackpad

why in the fuck does right click paste?!

who in their right mind would do that?

[lone dagger]

I used my husband's Surface touchpad a few weeks ago, I can't remember why I wasn't using his mouse tbh. But holy shit it's so backwards from how intuitive Apple's touchpad is. x.x

[normal moon]

Apple's mouse is probably my least favorite product of theirs. I do like my MX Master 3 with Apple stuff.

[primal laurel]

Linux users in the terminal

[atomic delta]

As a Linux user, no.

[high remnant]

no lol

[primal laurel]

As a Linux user, yes

[high remnant]

weirdo

😳

[atomic delta]

Yeah, that's a personal problem, and I'd imagine there's a medication to address it.

[high remnant]

or blunt force

its driving me mad

[primal laurel]

It's convenient as fuck

[high remnant]

no

not on a trackpad

2 finger scroll

O HEY LETS PASTE AND FUCK UP YOUR CONFIG

[high remnant]

/votekick

[primal laurel]

SKILL ISSUE

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/uzd7.gif

[atomic delta]

https://tenor.com/view/bobby-singer-idjits-idiots-supernatural-stupid-people-gif-19449756

[high remnant]

insert a your mom and fingers comment here

https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues/3337 this just makes me irrationally angry

There's fucking instructions

https://tenor.com/bfEp7.gif

[atomic delta]

To be entirely fair, if you're using a Windows system, you've already made the choice to accept someone else's idea of what you should want.

[high remnant]

I was drunk okay

and that is apples kink

[atomic delta]

That's most corporations tbh. Microsoft, Apple, Google, they all like to tell you what you want.

Don't get me wrong, I get why, but I won't abide it.

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/clxCcEDydsj.gif

[unborn merlin]

you just are too poor to understand the genius of a charging port on the bottom! /s

[high remnant]

I'll hamfist the config file so it works for me

[high remnant]

O I already thundercunted that RSI-inducing pecie of e-waste through the wall

[atomic delta]

You sure you're not still drunk?

[high remnant]

that thing lasted longer than the one with the nipple that always quit working after a month

[high remnant]

again

no I am just exhausted

[unborn merlin]

listen that was a genius piece of technology. /s

... I mean honestly when I was in school they did lend us lenovo laptops and I did find that nub an oddly good mouse.

[high remnant]

I was talking about this engineering marvel

[high remnant]

I actually kinda liked those

[atomic delta]

I used to have a ThinkPad back when IBM still made them. It was a nice mouse given the options in those days.

[atomic delta]

I'm literally using my steam deck right now

[primal laurel]

Same

Metro 2033

[warm helm]

mine hasn't been turned on in months

[atomic delta]

Work simulator 2025

[high remnant]

lol

[sharp scaffold]

that Apple mouse was crap, the ball got clogged with dirt every few days

[high remnant]

OMG IKR

that pissed me off so much

holy crap

[sharp scaffold]

at least you didn't have to turn it upside down to charge it, so that's something

[scenic radish]

seriously, what a terrible design lol

[high remnant]

no but forget scrolling lol

[sharp scaffold]

yes but whyyy

[high remnant]

Steve Apple is rolling in his marble grave

how dare you

[sharp scaffold]

do zigbee sticks have a low limit of concurrent devices? maybe that's why I can never get everything working at once

[atomic delta]

I use my steam deck as my work system. Legitimately. Blender, FreeCAD, BambuStudio, LibreOffice, etc. A lot more convenient to just bring it to work than to shut down my laptop, disconnect everything, and drag it over here.

[high remnant]

idk but I can down a 5th of vodka and debug a docker

[warm helm]

I mean yes but you should have enough routers to get around the cordinator limit

[high remnant]

its Ruby on rails so I will have to be beyond drunk to understand this

[atomic delta]

Zigbee is basically intended to only have the stick (coordinator) talk to mains-powered router devices (smart plugs, light bulbs, etc), and those in turn talk to endpoints.

[warm helm]

I am surprised your job allows that

[sharp scaffold]

yeah I have a bunch of plugs, but I have no idea what's connecting to what really, the whole thing is a mess

[atomic delta]

Family company and I'm the IT department.

[warm helm]

I have been tempted to connect my work pc to a ipkvm but security might throw a fit

[high remnant]

I would've thrown a fit

but I work at a security firm

[atomic delta]

I mean, depends on what you're doing. Security on the steam deck is fine so long as you maintain possession of it. I could secure it physically as well, but meeeeeeeh. Not worth it.

[warm helm]

only if it showed up, which in theory it would just look like another keyboard to you

[high remnant]

well having our data on a not MDM device is probably grounds for a stern talking to

lol

but then again not every company operates like that

[warm helm]

'I mean maybe but there isn't really any data on the kvm itself, its just sending the screen to another device and mouse/keyboard strokes and it would be on my internal network. People do use personal pcs for work here because we mostly use webapps

[high remnant]

LOL

[warm helm]

I mean mine did just force control, alt and delete again to get into the login page

[atomic delta]

Honestly, the one thing I did that is sketchy as fuck is set up an SSH tunnel to my home laptop from my steam deck. Without a password on the key.

I'm still questioning my decision there.

[high remnant]

I mean it depends on what kind of company you work for and the data you have

we work with really sensitive data so even doing that is a big nono

[warm helm]

the entire database and all the infrastructure for thousands of retail locations

[high remnant]

Euh

[atomic delta]

Technically the most sensitive data we work with most of the time is our own. Some ITAR models. Some NDA models. Nothing too fancy.

[high remnant]

yeah.. If I was the CISO I would not be happy lol

[high remnant]

I mean we have information about zerodays lol so

ehh

[atomic delta]

Yeah, that's different

[warm helm]

yeah, i don't want to push the issue for no gain. it would be nice to not have to take my laptop with me if something on call pops up but no

i will keep doing that

[high remnant]

I mean I don't judge lol

[atomic delta]

I mostly have 3d models and some emails from the US Navy. The worst fallout from a breach would be the company itself having company secrets spread.

Which basically would only matter if a direct competitor got info on our internal processes.

[high remnant]

I mean that can be protected IP, maybe?

[atomic delta]

Point is, steam deck is entirely fine as a work system for what we're doing.

[high remnant]

yeah I guess. I cannot make that call

I'll take your word for it!

[warm helm]

and gaming

[atomic delta]

Well yes. Though I've found the dock is a good motivator to not game. Most of my games I prefer the deck's controls for, so when it's docked and I have kb+m I usually actually do work.

[atomic delta]

lol, no. Not a chance in hell. I don't even let my father have write access to the company address book.

[high remnant]

i have had a really fun discussion with our CFO about him not getting admin permissions :)

on our MS365

[atomic delta]

Oh, I'm sure.

[high remnant]

I am not handing you a chainsaw

[atomic delta]

Company is mainly me and my parents. My dad has some memory loss and hasn't handled the transition to better technology well. One of those people who doesn't turn off his phone screen when he puts it in his pocket and then wonders why his phone settings keep changing.

My mother is luckily much more technologically competent.

[high remnant]

I dont envy that situation either

One of those people who doesn't turn off his phone screen when he puts it in his pocket and then wonders why his phone settings keep changing.

every dad ever tbh

'no I didn't call you?'

[atomic delta]

You're not wrong.

[sharp scaffold]

our CEO has admin to MS365. he got phished.

[atomic delta]

...

[high remnant]

this is why we do not allow personal admin accounts :D

*personal accounts with admin privilehes

[sharp scaffold]

they had full access to the account for a while, at the very least they got our address book

[atomic delta]

I mean, we all have the cards we're dealt. I have a job, free rent, and my parents are still alive and participating at 80. I'm good with this.

[high remnant]

fair enough

gotta look at the silver lining

[atomic delta]

And hey, it's an interesting job. When I'm not wearing the IT hat, my job is basically to get handed the impossible and figure out how to make it happen. That's fun.

[scenic radish]

What's a docker

[atomic delta]

<censored>

[high remnant]

one of my 13 reasons

[scenic radish]

Just had a client tell me they'd rather not pay for us to do something and if I could just tell them how something should be configured, that would be great

[sharp scaffold]

ha + z2m is such a mess, it's not possible to name entities consistently in a single place

I just renamed all my devices in z2m but that didn't rename entities in ha

[scenic radish]

Did you select the rename option in z2m?

[sharp scaffold]

the.. what?

[high remnant]

tips: revoke admin privs for the C-level. Move the admin privilages to named admin accounts (e.g. finn_admin, peter_admin) and do not attach an email inbox to those accounts etc etc

[atomic delta]

Literally only have one gripe with ZHA: I want to be able to have two coordinators. That's my entire complaint list.

[high remnant]

yay invoce for consultancy!

[sharp scaffold]

nah, I mapped all ids to names in configuration.yaml

[forest edge]

sounds like a knee jerk reaction to sticker shock lol

[sharp scaffold]

ooh

[scenic radish]

Ah yeah, if you use the UI you can update it in HA too

[sharp scaffold]

after losing all my entity names I don't trust UIs anymore, I want a good old text file I can edit

[warm helm]

well you see when two men really like each other they touch tips

[scenic radish]

I do usually give estimates on the higher end though (but obviously we'll only bill for time spent)

[high remnant]

don't threaten me with a good time

[scenic radish]

Like 350 USD max lol

The irony is the time I spend telling them how to configure it (and fixing what they will probably mess up) will just be billed as out of scope anyway

[warm helm]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-wait-what-gif-9000717621307637538

[scenic radish]

So congrats, you've saved...not much lol

[normal moon]

Both old and new styles cramp the living hell out of my hand, it's like all the ergonomic evil in Apple's product lineup centered on one single device.

[atomic delta]

That's the joke I self-censored...

[forest edge]

would depend how often it would be something that needed to be redone lol

[high remnant]

it makes for a good object to hurl at a coworker though

[arctic quarry]

This office has a strict non-hurling policy

[high remnant]

it now does

[normal moon]

I've worked in offices that had one extra deep sink in the men's room

[high remnant]

an urinal?

[normal moon]

No, a sink that was built to handle hurling

[high remnant]

omg

LOL

[normal moon]

Some startups are more dysfunctional than others

[high remnant]

yup

[high remnant]

you should look at fintech

https://tenor.com/view/telmo-coca-harina-raquetaso-esnifar-gif-25660568

[normal moon]

No kidding, Mad Men is not an instruction manual

[high remnant]

😂😂😂

[atomic delta]

So hey, I'm curious. What does Z2M provide that I'm missing in ZHA? Other than multiple coordinators. That one I know. I'm running HAOS, so it'd be running as an addon. I'm just wondering if a reason exists to consider migrating.

[scenic radish]

Yikes: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/08/google-will-block-sideloading-of-unverified-android-apps-starting-next-year/

[atomic delta]

Oh, I know. I've been bitching about that one for a few days now.

[scenic radish]

I might have a reason to root my phone for the first time in like 8 years

[atomic delta]

Don't think root will be sufficient, but we'll have to see.

Maybe someone will crack out a magisk module that fixes it.

[static schooner]

I won't say iPhone, but maybe iPhone

[tidal bronze]

oof

[sharp scaffold]

independence from HA is one. you can see and control devices directly from a mqtt app

[atomic delta]

I'm holding out for this: https://liberux.net

[atomic delta]

That doesn't offer me anything I have a use for.

[scenic radish]

Upgrades are also independent from HA

[scenic radish]

Looks pretty cool

[warm helm]

using mqtt to interact with devices in a dev enviorment is also a nice benefit

[atomic delta]

lol wtf, I was just looking at it yesterday.

[sharp scaffold]

looks like I'm back in business here

[scenic radish]

And MQTT == ❤️

[forest edge]

maybe someone will figure out how to angleload apps as a workaround

[sharp scaffold]

I used to not have names, and that map was just useless

[atomic delta]

Well, the site being down is a bad sign, but here's the original failed fundraising campaign, it has the important info there:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/liberux-nexx--3#/

tl;dr: User swappable RAM, eMMC, and modem, hardware killswitches, 8 core 2.4GHz CPU, Linux with an android container.

Oh, and a removable battery

[scenic radish]

That's pretty sick honestly

[atomic delta]

Yeah, now they just have to make it exist. :P

[scenic radish]

Yup

32 GB of RAM is absurd though lol

[atomic delta]

Oh, it is. But it's also optional. User-swappable RAM sticks means 32GiB is the high-end option.

[scenic radish]

G I B I B Y T E S

I fscking hate those stupid names lol

[atomic delta]

The "i" means "I'm better than you"

[scenic radish]

I know why they exist though

[static schooner]

to let others know that you're an insufferable pedant? 🙂

Like How do you know if someone does Crossfit?

[atomic delta]

Honestly, I'm particular about binary vs decimal prefixes because I'm an admin at RetroAchievements, and when you're working with memory regions and such, it can matter.

[scenic radish]

Fair

[atomic delta]

But also because I'm an insufferable pedant.

[scenic radish]

I usually assume someone means GiB when saying GB

[atomic delta]

Yeah, and that's fair.

[tidal bronze]

Can't believe it's Friday already!

[atomic delta]

I wish

[sharp scaffold]

is there a good zigbee guide that starts from zero and covers how everything works?

[forest edge]

isn't everyday friday for you?

[unborn merlin]

https://docs.powerflex.com/reference/zigbee-design-guide/

... you asked how everything works. /s

[sharp scaffold]

well it's not bad

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-get-some-help-gif-8670192

[scenic radish]

https://zigbeealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/07-5123-06-zigbee-cluster-library-specification.pdf

[sharp scaffold]

ok maybe the spec is a bit too much

[scenic radish]

What, is almost 900 pages too much?

[unborn merlin]

"covers how everything works"

You asked boi.

you asked.

[sharp scaffold]

I'll go make an LLM write me one

[static schooner]

You can always ask ChatGPT to summarize it for you

or make a TikTok dance out of it

[sharp scaffold]

ELI5 900 page zigbee spec

sounds reasonable

[atomic delta]

Ask it to summarize entirely in haiku

[sharp scaffold]

it wouldn't bat a virtual eye

[static schooner]

We've been struggling with getting another team to explain how a software module works and we finally just pointed an LLM to the source code and it did an awesome job writing documentation with inheritance graphs and diagrams

[unborn merlin]

• wants to know how something works.
• also wants to use ai slop. /s

[static schooner]

the better the comments, the better the output

[sharp scaffold]

and 1/4 of it is purely invented

[static schooner]

it did completely make up the definition of an acronym, but it was plausible, just wrong

[unborn merlin]

the ai is so american it hurts. /s

[static schooner]

like if I had to guess, I could have come up with it

there were definitely no extraneous "u"s anywhere

[forest edge]

tell me you hate your country without telling me you hate your country

[sharp scaffold]

Mesh network speaks clear,
Low power, robust, secure,
Devices connect.

it's just that my devices don't connect, I should show them the spec

[unborn merlin]

the only real issue with zigbee being its single-point thing.. not a mesh

which is what threads for.. I suppose

[unborn merlin]

your devices being bitchy about connecting has nothing on zwave

[static schooner]

It is a mesh 🤷

perhaps you're thinking of Zwave-LR

which has nothign to do with Zigbee

[forest edge]

thinking of end devices

[unborn merlin]

zigbee isn't a mesh?

[sharp scaffold]

is Zwave an American thing? I haven't seen any Zwave devices on Aliexpress

[unborn merlin]

they tend to have licensing fees.

which makes them more expensive to get and etc.

[scenic radish]

Zigbee is 100% a mesh network

[atomic delta]

Weird thing is I looked and you can buy a Zwave IC for $6 or so, while Zigbee chips aren't so easy to get ahold of.

[proper swift]

wait, coordinator? since when do you use multiple coordinators?

[unborn merlin]

zigbee is just inside of a lot of things.

esp32c6?

kudos you haave zigbee, thread, bluetooth, wifi.. etc

[scenic radish]

You don't. No clue what that source is, but it's wrong

[static schooner]

Those images have nothing to do with how Zigbee is used in the real world

[scenic radish]

You can have multiple routers (repeaters) though

[tidal bronze]

What's max hops for zigbee?

[atomic delta]

Five I think?

[tidal bronze]

shorter hops?

[scenic radish]

Theoretically 255 I believe

[tidal bronze]

hops?

[scenic radish]

End device -> router -> router ... -> coordinator

[atomic delta]

Looks like he's right, 255 is the most possible by spec, but then it's set on the chip I guess.

[tidal bronze]

Hard time hopping to a table lamp.

[static schooner]

that would be an awful network, though

[atomic delta]

From what I'm reading, 1-3 hops is optimal if you can pull it off.

[forest edge]

really shines a light on how crappy some zigbee stuff is that probably chokes in less than 10 hops lol

[scenic radish]

Yep, just like the theoretical max devices is 65535 lol

[static schooner]

1-2 is quite typical in a home environment with a centrally-located coordinator. And most devices will adapt

[tidal bronze]

Do they adapt?

[scenic radish]

Yes, the mesh is S E L F H E A L I N G

[static schooner]

do I stutter? 🙂

[atomic delta]

I wonder if I can adjust my max hops. I should check that. One sec...

[tidal bronze]

Like battery devices?

[static schooner]

most do, indeed

[tidal bronze]

I doubt that very much.

Not like ZW for sure.

[scenic radish]

Well wrap it up boys

[forest edge]

I never had an end device change

[tidal bronze]

Exactly

[scenic radish]

I have, when its parent goes offline

[forest edge]

then I never had an ac powered end device either

[tidal bronze]

You serving burritos today?

[static schooner]

apparently not 🤷

Yes, Zigbee networks automatically optimize routes, but battery-operated devices do not participate in that process. Battery-powered Zigbee devices are called "end devices," and their route-optimization behavior is different from that of mains-powered devices, which are called "routers".

[sharp scaffold]

on the map I see routers connected to the coordinator and to each other, it looks very meshy

[scenic radish]

End devices can definitely switch parents though. I've tested this on multiple occasions

[tidal bronze]

You said this self-healing stuff.

[static schooner]

that's from the AI summary, so YMMV

[forest edge]

i think the "self healing" refers to router/repeaters maintaining multiple route paths

[static schooner]

I have a holy crapload of Zigbee switches and plugs in my house and I have seen them move around from time to time

[sharp scaffold]

100% end devices can change routers, my wife is routinely unplugging my routers and things mostly still work

[tidal bronze]

so Mesh - somewhat! 🙂

[forest edge]

I have a zigbee bulb that shows 6 route paths

[static schooner]

sounds indecisive

[forest edge]

scratch that 8 paths

[static schooner]

or some quantum bulb

[atomic delta]

Can't see a way to configure max hops via ZHA

[tidal bronze]

Damn you got a haut bulb eh?

[sharp scaffold]

14 paths for my living room bulb here

[forest edge]

so in "self healing" if a path dropped off.. it's meh lol

[forest edge]

what the actual fuck

[tidal bronze]

More text than devices.

[sharp scaffold]

how many devices total?

[scenic radish]

86. 32 are routers

[forest edge]

this is why that 255 is "theoretical". those devices gotta have the umpf themselves to deal with all that passing traffic lol

[sharp scaffold]

and no problems?

[scenic radish]

Nope

[sharp scaffold]

how can you tell how many routers?

[forest edge]

blue lines

[atomic delta]

I really need to buy some more SLZB-07s and flash them with the router firmware.

[forest edge]

green is end devices

[sharp scaffold]

well yeah but is there an easy way of getting a count

[tidal bronze]

Zigbee: faster, more devices, shorter range.

Z-Wave: slower, longer range per hop, less interference.

[forest edge]

and I think his coordinator resides just on the edge of a blackhole so it is not visible

[scenic radish]

Zigbee2mqtt shows it on the About page. Not sure about ZHA

[atomic delta]

Z-Wave is also more viable for things that require security, like smart locks.

[scenic radish]

Zigbee is encrypted

[sharp scaffold]

nice
By device type
End devices: 36
Router: 23

[tidal bronze]

I run both, not that interested in security. Been ZW 1st for ages.

[scenic radish]

We know

[forest edge]

downside about zwave. lack of some of the more interesting device types

[tidal bronze]

you mean the aliexpress type?

[forest edge]

sure

[proper swift]

i refuse to do anything other than shake my cane aggressively at automated locks

[sharp scaffold]

afaict most zigbee devices are unreliable because they update state only when they feel like it
door sensors especially don't keep refreshing so I don't know whether the window is really closed or I just missed an event

[forest edge]

that is either your device or your network

that is not the norm

[tidal bronze]

Have you tried self-healing?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-hang-johnny-depp-gif-5602160

[proper swift]

I have one zigbee device that started misbehaving lately. I need to giveit a good thrashing.

[sharp scaffold]

I'm not 100% sure but I think my cheap Chinese sensors aren't sending state periodically, only on open/close

[atomic delta]

I'm more interested in Zwave for DIY, but I need more knowledge of C before I can actually crack out a device.

[proper swift]

well.. like.. I have a zigbee moisture sensor, and it only updates the moisture % when it changes, so if it's saturated,it just sits there with no moisture updates for like 6 hours

[sharp scaffold]

lots of headaches with cheap devices
the Aqara PIRs were working great until one day when they stopped connecting

same with this Aqara vibration sensor in the doorbell, one day it just wasn't there anymore

[tidal bronze]

I guess we need some healing here.

[scenic radish]

Zigbee is unfortunately the wild west sometimes

[sharp scaffold]

apparently it's part of the mesh experience, they work through some routers but not through others

[scenic radish]

Meaning manufacturers being able to create garbage

[proper swift]

I have had good luck with ThirdReality stuff. so far I haven't wanted to throw one out the window

[sharp scaffold]

tbh I wouldn't have all this stuff installed if it was €100/device instead of €5

[scenic radish]

Yeah ThirdReality makes good stuff

[proper swift]

sonoff, meh, sometimes window bait

aquara.. dunno.. only have like 2

[unborn merlin]

shelly stuff good... 😛

... also limited ish 🙃

[proper swift]

generally speaking if it exists in zwave format, i buy that first, then go down to zigbee

[forest edge]

I been buying alot of "garbage" out of curiosity and oddly cause of the zigbee spec.. the shit still works lol

[unborn merlin]

depends on the zwave devices..

[sharp scaffold]

Aqara design is great. small, nice, packaging like Apple

[unborn merlin]

... schlage apparently elected to put sensors on their zwave door stuff that just

Dont fucking do anyhting

[forest edge]

as long as it's zigbee 3.0 I have yet to run into a single issue

[tidal bronze]

There's a knockoff version of those. They drop off after sometime.

[forest edge]

aquara was the worst of all the crap I've bought too, and that was just getting it into z2m initially

[proper swift]

I have 2 aquara door sensors, and they have been 100% reliable.. so.. i guess I like them?

[sharp scaffold]

yeah I'm finding that out now, mine are dropping like flies

[proper swift]

for years actually

[sharp scaffold]

mine were great. until they stopped working.

smallest DS I found in that price range

[tidal bronze]

If you can get Aqara from mainland local market you are golden.

[forest edge]

older aqara is still flooding sites like aliexpress

i think those are the troublemakers

[tidal bronze]

yep

[sharp scaffold]

it is weird that there are so many different sellers for that stuff

[tidal bronze]

most of them are copies.

[sharp scaffold]

is Thirdreality an actual manufacturer or just a brand slapped on Tuya or whatever?

[forest edge]

actual manufacture

[sharp scaffold]

they look OK and prices are decent

[proper swift]

dunno.. but thier stuff works 100% of the time for me, and no using tuya-satan configuration methods

[forest edge]

third reality is ok. the stuff works fine but thier devices can sometimes lack features other stuff will have

[atomic delta]

Hm. Just found out I'd have to install multiple Z2M instances to be able to use multiple coordinators. That kills my interest in Z2M.

[tidal bronze]

TR moisture sensors are, well. meh

[proper swift]

I have like a 10 pack of the power monitoring plug-switches, and 3 of the little stick-button things

both of which make me 100% happy

[forest edge]

on zigbee? whats this tuya-satan thing you speak of?

[sharp scaffold]

what's wrong with multiple instances?

[tidal bronze]

I run 2

[sharp scaffold]

and why do you need multiple coordinators?

[forest edge]

to cover really big areas

[proper swift]

tuya-satan is any device where you have to use that vile horrid tuya app to set it up

[forest edge]

that is not zigbee then

[atomic delta]

5000 sq ft house

[sharp scaffold]

I've never used any of their apps, only z2m

wifi must be a pain

[atomic delta]

Mesh router. Netgear Orbi at the moment, not really happy with it, but it does the job.

[tidal bronze]

Wifi can never be a pain.

[proper swift]

my one tuya device has convinced me they are banned as an mfg from my home.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-donald-trump-thats-wrong-incorrect-not-true-gif-16723530

[tidal bronze]

ZW and Wifi must be set and forget things