I thought lan parties in the US died nearly 10 years ago
#the-water-cooler
forest edge
fun fact, I actually attended the very first one ever done here in KC
it was a major pain moving the desktop and monitor and stuff.. never wanted to do it again afterwards lol
forest edge
hell my monitor at the time was like over 70lbs
arctic quarry
best part about BNC networks:
DUDE: man, I've been up for 295 hours straight
GUY: ikr
DUDE: only eaten three popcorn kernels
GUY: mood
DUDE: imma go sleep
(turns off computer)
ENTIRE ROW: WTF HAPPENED TO THE NETWORK
forest edge
they play older games
raw tulip
I thought lan parties in the US died nearly 10 years ago
Nope, there are a few in our area that are still going!
arctic quarry
-# long live the scene
forest edge
Nope, there are a few in our area that are still going!
is it actual PC gaming keeping them alive or is it really the console section of these events that bring the most people?
arctic quarry
consoles at LAN parties sounds like less of a thing to me, but I'm biased
forest edge
cause the last few I have seen videos of makes it seem like most people went for the console stuff
raw tulip
Predominately PC gaming, but some people bring consoles.
forest edge
older consoles have kind of made a blip back in popularity
with current games I can understand it lol
arctic quarry
lol yeah
it's almost unfair, given that the "retro" scene has like 30 years of cherries to pick lol
forest edge
its sad. I watch those videos where they compare older games against their modern remakes and how they highlight how the older version had way more features and details etc than the modern one
games should be way better than what they are
arctic quarry
yeah, but it's almost impossible
you can't scale "fun"
so you scale "content" instead
forest edge
not really the point
it's like air conditioning in cars.. at some point they just came standard
arctic quarry
I think I get the point, but I'm saying, the things our industry focuses on right now isn't necessarily conducive to games being more enjoyable
lol, I say "our" industry, I've been out for like 15 years now
forest edge
all the stuff they learned how to do back then should be in the base blueprint for stuff now lol
arctic quarry
I completely agree
but it's also what I'm saying: very rarely did you have the luxury of "realism" (by any definition) in older games
so you instead chose an approximation, based on how much "game" it felt
you can obviously make "realistic" jump physics, but it turns out the Mario-style jump is more predictable, and "games" more
now I'm pretty sure all modern games still use Mario-style jumps but
forest edge
aside from 2d side scrollers.. i'm more depressed we don't have more Ready Player One level of games. I don't mean that just being limited to VR but the advancement of it
Star Citizen is really about the only game I have seen yet that pushes it
forest edge
and it's still not where (i think) game levels should be
forest edge
freedom? we have procedural generated games but look how lack luster they are in terms of graphics and stuff to do.. referring more to (not minecraft but the space game)
no man's sky
arctic quarry
"procedural" is kinda one of those traps I'm talking about tho
it's incredibly hard to make good procedural content
because of how fragile the fun factor is
forest edge
even if the game sucked..
arctic quarry
there are ways to do it, but like
forest edge
the abilties etc should be there
arctic quarry
basically, by crafting a single golden path, you can play through it and rearrange things until the flow gits gud
kinda like writing music
forest edge
games are still restricted either in space, or content or abilities etc
arctic quarry
if you relinquish that control, you're kinda just playing the numbers
forest edge
you still have to pick what matters most to you rather than have it all
Greed for the past x amount of years is the cause. you can't read a single article about gaming without seeing that but it's still sad
churning out as much for as little as you can
these days game studios are treated like netflix shows
arctic quarry
yeah but it's also systemic
like I said, it's trivial for a producer to say "let's make more assets"
everyone knows how to scale it
but scaling fun is a lot harder
so you get these bloated shovelware games that spread themselves too thin
forest edge
Star Citizen is heading in the right direction (not the money sink part but the other stuff)
arctic quarry
I literally cried playing through all the assetstacks in FFVII Remake
forest edge
why can't there at least be more of that lol
instead we got 1
for like what? 12 years or whatever
arctic quarry
again, not too familiar with Star Citizen but it's been very slow going, has it not?
that's kind of the only way to do that kind of game
right, 12 years
I guess fun scales with time, then
forest edge
it's slow cause they are milking money
arctic quarry
and 12-year dev cycles are obviously ridiculous to a AAA studio with quarterly reviews
forest edge
why they just got slammed over thier profit earnings this year
but the "freedom" aspect of the game, the abilities and stuff to do + graphics has been in it for almost the whole time
I honestly do think Ready Player One level of gaming should be available at this point. probably would have if it weren't for money
being the drive
like i said, not really refering to just VR
the movie showcased freedom
arctic quarry
it's a movie tho
like, I hate to pull rank, but "a game where you can do whatever you want" is first-year rookie stuff. there has to be GAME in every direction, otherwise it'll just become like those AI "games" that show you 5 seconds of something that looks amazing but there's nothing there
forest edge
look at individual made games on steam. you will often see those having more freedom than studio created ones
arctic quarry
ok I think maybe the term "freedom" is poorly defined
forest edge
not sure how else to describe it lol
been thinking of a better term but not found one yet
arctic quarry
if we're gonna be nerdy about it, it's about exploring a space, right? so if you can jump, you wanna be able to jump onto everything you see. otherwise, it feels "un-free"
forest edge
not just go anywhere, but do pretty much everything
arctic quarry
then, if you're presented with a challenge that cannot be overcome by jumping, you either need more skill, or a better jump. this expands your space
arctic quarry
not just go anywhere, but do pretty much everything
yeah this is where the design part comes in. no game can possibly let you do anything
forest edge
not be restricted. least not nearly as much as wgat we have
arctic quarry
but it can let you explore a certain space freely
like "what if I can combine jump and shoot"
etc
you can think of it in terms of like
dimensions of freedom or w/e
forest edge
yeah this is where the design part comes in. no game can possibly let you do *an...
I beg to differ. this is conditioned to what we have talk lol
arctic quarry
ok again, I think I'm gonna claim that with 20+ years of gamedev experience, I have had a thought or two
forest edge
think outside what is on the shelves
what is that VR chat that blew up? been out for awhile but pretty much allows people to be in avatar and to make thier own games etc?
is it just VR Chat?
that game, least from the few videos i have seen kind of shows some of the freedom
why can we get that far, been that far for however long that's been out but not gone beyond that?
arctic quarry
you have to be really specific here though
like what does "going beyond" actually imply?
what do you need more of?
forest edge
why can't a game like that be available but in like a cyber punk style for console/pc??
yea I think my term "freedom" is the issue here
it's not procedural? like everyone in the same damn instance?
the video I saw make it look kind of like minecraft. where people just takes over spaces and build stuff etc
video(s)
unborn merlin
what do you need more of?
you should not bother arguing with the boomer. 😛
it is a lesson to be learned here...
🙃
forest edge
argue huh?
is that what's going on?
if you all like where things are. 👍
but as someone who came from board games to pinball, pong, atari etc etc.. I wouldn't settle for what is
and how sad is that?
game released in 2011. thats sad to me
last cedar
Sad that nothing else has had the "same effect" since 2011?
forest edge
Sad that nothing else has had the "same effect" since 2011?
or has been a decent leap better
last cedar
I do kinda find it odd that whilst many other games have come and gone, I still play minecraft quite often
last cedar
or has been a decent leap better
Says a lot about the game industry I think
scenic radish
it's been years since i've played minecraft. i got the urge the other day
forest edge
what i been saying || or arguing i guess ||
last cedar
1.6, source or another? 😛
forest edge
how old were you when that released?
last cedar
I think I started with 1.3, which was also how good my skill was on a 1 to 10 scale 🤣
forest edge
CS and CS2 appear to be nothing but cheater heaven from what I been seeing
last cedar
how old were you when that released?
When we downloaded 1.3 it had to be paused mid download because it took ages, still on 33.6k modem
If that gives any hints 😄
forest edge
hell I run an SC2 community and I stopped playing that game over 10 years ago.. yet there is no shortage of players..
pretty sure at this point it's 98% east and 2% westerners tho
you euros sure like to play old stuff
I played the tempest rising game which is suppose to be the "new" modern RTS. game didn't even come close to older RTS like SC and C&C and even Dune (and that game was shit)
not refering to "fun" either
forest edge
When we downloaded 1.3 it had to be paused mid download because it took ages, st...
33.6K modem in 2001?
where the hell is @clear ferry when you need him
peak slate
Keeping the same IP between them is the key part, that'll keep mqtt and other devices connected after the swap
split grail
Keeping the same IP between them is the key part, that'll keep mqtt and other de...
oh yeah the address would change wouldn't it?
unborn merlin
oh yeah the address would change wouldn't it?
depends if you have it DHCP or static.
unborn merlin
then it'd probably change. 🤷♂️
or you could go on router and change its dhcp reservation.. since most routers let you do that too
split grail
yeah that's all I did. deleted the old one, added the new one
stuck anchor
I do kinda find it odd that whilst many other games have come and gone, I still ...
i tried the new elite. fancy graphics, especially in vr glasses. still - it didn't manage to keep me playing day and night like the original on the beeb back in the eighties did
split grail
does HA have a polar graphing chart addon somewhere?
static schooner
Seems like you want #1284965988642590891
split grail
yeh
robust flicker
depends if you have it DHCP or static.
Or, you could have a proper DHCP server set up that will assign the same IP to clients based on things like MAC addresses -or- client identifiers.
honest moat
Or, you could have a proper DHCP server set up that will assign the same IP to c...
this is the way
802.1x is a hassle to get set up but saves you so much trouble in the long run
icy tinsel
weird question . who can make integrations ?
if a company X i have no association with have API's
can i make integration for them ?
static schooner
of course. That's how most of the cloud-based integrations have been developed
static schooner
icy tinsel
thanks
static schooner
last cedar
33.6K modem in 2001?
I was still in England then. Iirc we got 512k broadband via coax in 2003
last cedar
i tried the new elite. fancy graphics, especially in vr glasses. still - it didn...
I think we are just getting old 🤣
crisp oriole
I think we are just getting old 🤣
How old does a racoon get?
Still think i need to make a hassatoshi. A creature that lives well or gets sick on how good your home assistant setup is. Usage and error wise
last cedar
How old does a racoon get?
AKA not long enough
It is all Sonomas fault, I think, something something filament machine
forest edge
waste of gas
forest edge
like how "AI slop" is scaring so many people
last cedar
Just one of the many things wrong with the world!
primal laurel
forest edge
@tidal bronze enjoying those gas prices?
tidal bronze
<@331255319365812224> enjoying those gas prices?
What about them?
unborn merlin
What about them?
the correct response is
"Hows the price on eggs?"
crisp oriole
The ENGineers fail ESP is ahead
crisp oriole
ENG strikes back
forest edge
What about them?
other than you are paying more for it than anywhere else?
tidal bronze
And?
forest edge
i'll pass along your response as it will be ok to continue to raise it
hell pay an extra $3 so we can get it even cheaper here plz
arctic quarry
like how "AI slop" is scaring so many people
wdym
forest edge
you haven't seen any of the stuff about the AI slop "news" stuff tricking people?
west birch
Hello everyone. I'm new to this whole smart home tech trying to watch some youtube guides and read some reddits posts but am feeling kind of loss, where can I post to get help with it?
forest edge
I mean there is stuff like fake catastrophe's etc
gotten to the point where news stations bring it up
arctic quarry
right
which is absolutely terrible, obv
furthering the notion that AI is, by and large, mostly useful for doing stupid shit
forest edge
even john oliver did a piece about it. although that don't mean much
hasty reef
Does anyone know if we can add Proton Lumo AI as a conversation agent yet? So I can ask home assistant dumb questions & get dumb answers? 😆
minor bobcat
Considering Proton lacks many essential back-end features on other services I wouldn't get my hopes up soon
hasty reef
Considering Proton lacks many essential back-end features on other services I wo...
true. it'd b one of the few i'd even consider adding personally. I dont trust 99.9% of em. 😁 Oh well.
hasty reef
Considering Proton lacks many essential back-end features on other services I wo...
As a paying proton customer, I just submit a feature request for proper back-end support to hook into their AI API from things such as Home Assistant. Who knows if it will actually go anywhere or not but its worth a try anyway. 🤷
tidal bronze
hell pay an extra $3 so we can get it even cheaper here plz
Why on earth would you pay more than $3 when living down in middle earth?
forest edge
Why on earth would you pay more than $3 when living down in middle earth?
why would you living in Mordor?
tidal bronze
Ahhhhhhh!
forest edge
I guess you are right. your high gas prices are the least of your problems lol
forest edge
oh i see.. it was much much much worse rotf
tidal bronze
Make believe worse since Feb, still waiting to go down to 2024 prices.
forest edge
you mean 1934
tidal bronze
Oh 1934, Bubba that's middle earth! We don't roll like that
forest edge
course not, you roll broke
tidal bronze
I guess, there's a different definition of country broke. 😅 California's GDP was $4.1 trillion, while Missouri's was around $356.7 billion
forest edge
now lets compare debt..
a little hard to boast about money you technically don't have rotf
tidal bronze
'Missouri's reliance is higher than the national average, while California's is lower' - reliance on Fed Funds.
forest edge
California living... https://youtu.be/r0HX4a5P8eE?si=6r-0UQ4OGVliXALh
forest edge
'Missouri's reliance is higher than the national average, while California's is ...
that's due to the highways
forest edge
Numbers!
you trying to compare our lack of debt to your massive debt? where you going?
tidal bronze
I am looking at reliance on fed funds Vs donating. Pretty simple!
forest edge
you pull over 160 billion in a single year
we pull over 20
how is there any kind of comparison there?
didn't Trump even have to cut you all off just recently?
lmao
tidal bronze
California contributes significantly more to the federal government in taxes than it receives back in federal spending, effectively making it a "donor state". In fiscal year 2021-22, California provided roughly $83 billion more than it received
tidal bronze
you pull over 160 billion in a single year
You know how to Google right?
forest edge
and so you donated more than what you have.. maybe you should get your wife on here to better explain this for you lol
tidal bronze
I wouldn't expect middle earth to be that good with numbers. It's ok man. HOW MANY beers did you have this Sunday?
forest edge
lol good with numbers? your the one who can't see the minus sign in front lol
tidal bronze
It's alght! We love all the same!
forest edge
you should ask Google to color the negative numbers red so you don't get confused
tidal bronze
BTW what was that battery-less button thingee?
forest edge
kinetic switch?
tidal bronze
you should ask Google to color the negative numbers red so you don't get confuse...
One day when you guys actually contribute to the economy we will re-start this conversation or when your GDP reaches 4T. 🙂
forest edge
we do our part without being a burden on on our people.. you should take lessons rotf
we'll bring out nice big pop up books for you
tidal bronze
Whatever that floats your boat hombre!
forest edge
so you can follow along easier
unborn merlin
`California contributes significantly more to the federal government in taxes th...
hey wait are you saying that.. the southern states are... welfare queens!?
... Truthfully even!?
tidal bronze
People who know, they know!
unborn merlin
people who have a half functional education and can actually read? /s
tidal bronze
It's all good, end of the day all you need is a big heart!
unborn merlin
It's all good, end of the day all you need is a big heart!
well with the rates of diabetes----
unborn merlin
waatched this the other day.
And in the video they interview people where it more or less ends up boiling down to
"I didn't learn my lesson and I'm going to keep voting the way I did before."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7_WDzPyoqU
forest edge
lol yea I watched that
small town with big ass bitcoin farm
@tidal bronze see texas is all for your favorite thing. it's a match made in heaven
unborn merlin
small town with big ass bitcoin farm
no, more like bitcoin farm with some obnoxious poors that keep annoying them. /s
forest edge
surprise there haven't been incidents of people like sabotaging the farms
tidal bronze
<@331255319365812224> see texas is all for your favorite thing. it's a match mad...
Far from it. I will have to believe in afterlife if I am to believe that! LMAO!
forest edge
you don't believe in afterlife? is that cause you are scared where you are going? lol
bet you end up in florida
rather thought you would be excited to receive your 100 cybertrucks in the afterlife
tidal bronze
you don't believe in afterlife? is that cause you are scared where you are going...
Nopes. Just like George Carlin I worship the Sun!
and it pays off!
unborn merlin
and it pays off!
you just wait util the deranged fuckwit adds tax charges to anyone using solar. /s
forest edge
solar? they are about to start taxing air there
tidal bronze
you just wait util the deranged fuckwit adds tax charges to anyone using solar. ...
NEM 3? Meh. I am not that worried. I will be grandfathered anyway.
tidal bronze
Because I don't believe in batteries 🙂
unborn merlin
I mean a battery system would be neat..
but its also complications added.. and also space..
forest edge
he must fall asleep before the sun sets and wakens after it rises and thus believes it never goes down
tidal bronze
I mean a battery system would be neat..
Not when I need 5 x power walls to run the house. No ROI at all. I don't go for cool, everything must makes $$ sense. NG gen FTW!
forest edge
so build your own
unborn merlin
i mean.. I'd do it my fucking self if I had $
fuck paying for premade shit
when if you know where to go you can get semi-used LiFEpo4 cells and etc 😄
forest edge
i've seen yt videos of people using used car batteries
tidal bronze
I thought about DIY. I am way past any DIY ATM. Time is the most valuable thing for me.
forest edge
you will never find a premade battery setup that is actually worth the cost of the batteries themselves
primal laurel
Cost of battery cells has dropped enormously the past few years. But you won't benefit because of tariffs
unborn merlin
mostly meant using companies that resell "used" lifepo4 cells
since they have lifetimes long enough that it really wotn matter and etc
tidal bronze
Oof
static schooner
forest edge
a little sweat won't kill you
spent most of the day outside. it was not pleasant but survivable. was glad to see some kids hitting a ball with a bat in an empty church parking lot
peacked at 101
peaked
stuck mortar
I love that both south and north Mordor were much cooler than middle earth today
unborn merlin
Oof
yeah i'm in NY on long island.. still working to get my heat pump done
... my perfectionism lead to me not wanting the premadae line-cover that doesnt really fit the houses siding properly. 😛
but hey.. 3d printer and all.. so just tuning the white filament that will.. be screwed and sealed to the siding now..
inner spindle
sss
scenic jasper
Can i have your HA?
Think i found out -maybe- what causes a zigbee sensor to randomly dissapear. Just network overlap between WIFI and Zigbee. So lame.
stuck anchor
it's always a good idea to keep them apart, yes.
and also, try unbinding that sensor and binding it to a different router? maybe directly to the coordinator? but now we are outside the topic of this channel 😉
and lastly - you do use a usb extension cable if your coordinator is a usb stick, right? right?
teal elbow
why can't i post in #find-support ?
i have a very weird issue that i have no idea how to fix
scenic jasper
@stuck anchor 1 coordinator, 1 device. (A door sensor) I already did the extend cable. I will maybe move the entire HA Pi computer to a new location
But i will wait for it to go offline again.
stuck anchor
why can't i post in <#1284968640189304913> ?
i have a very weird issue that i ha...
find-support should have pointers to lots of places where you create a new thread for your question in the right place. after searching for similar questions
iron granite
why can't i post in <#1284968640189304913> ?
i have a very weird issue that i ha...
Because it is a read-only channel, which directs people to the correct forum channels.
scenic jasper
It's more like a FAQ to where to ask. Is that fair to say?
iron granite
Yeah.
young sigil
It's more like a FAQ to where to ask. Is that fair to say?
If you are still not sure then you can ask for guidance here: https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284976732428046461
scenic jasper
@teal elbow See above
young sigil
Oops. Wrong person. Sorry.
scenic jasper
Pretty sure i solved my issue. Was just venting. Also sad i saw kilometers of Forum posts about it and they all clueless about the cause it seems. (As was i until a few hours ago. You live, you learn.)
scenic jasper
I wanna see if my dad's bedroom door is closed.. i could drive his robovacuum to it and see on the map. 🙂 lol maybe not do that though
Whatever your unreadable name is: Don't mock the metric system. It's objectively better.
forest edge
takes huh
don't you think you made yourself sick enough already hating your own kind?
sure
primal laurel
forest edge
you all must cringe everytime you hear the term "nautical mile"
glacial knot
Which is a moot point once one recognizes the convenience of decimals
glacial knot
you all must cringe everytime you hear the term "nautical mile"
Luckily we barely ever hear it
forest edge
Luckily we barely ever hear it
sure you still hear it when your plane reaches altitude
glacial knot
shrug it's mostly habit with the temps
glacial knot
sure you still hear it when your plane reaches altitude
Why would we?
forest edge
hypocrisy
glacial knot
Not even on flights to or from the US o.0
glacial knot
altitude is read in feet
Meters
And even when it's in feet
They just keep feet on planes
Not that they actually say anything about the altitude besides cruising altitude
No reason to say any numbers on commercial airliners
forest edge
maybe germany changed
pay closer attention next flight
thats your problem, you only look at it as a competition rather than making the best of both worlds
didn't you just rant about F?
wishy washy
glacial knot
maybe germany changed
Did they actually voice out altitudes in the 50s? O.0
forest edge
Did they actually voice out altitudes in the 50s? O.0
of course. how else would you differentiate between still being on the ground vs the air since it all felt the same the whole trip
sounds like you took about 650lbs to the head
great thing about our little slice of the world. we can use either in most cases
and you are outnumbered thinking meteric will replace imperial in many things lol
don't lose your 1/2 wrench
glacial knot
of course. how else would you differentiate between still being on the ground vs...
These days we got Infotainment systems :0
forest edge
These days we got Infotainment systems :0
verdict still out on if those are really an improvement
oh you meant in planes
glacial knot
Well, yea
Cars don't usually fly
glacial knot
Yea, that's about what I expect from American driving skills...
And car maintenance...
You got scary things on your roads
forest edge
these days it's mostly foreign cars it seems so don't blame us
glacial knot
Yea, because the lack of maintenance and modifications is on the country of origin
forest edge
well excuse us for not wanting to be so boring we just drive stock everything
jeep is stock..
then why you talking?
be less boring then step to the plate lol
scenic jasper
What brand is Jeep under these days?
primal laurel
well excuse us for not wanting to be so boring we just drive stock everything
Because you spend half your life in a car lol
forest edge
Because you spend half your life in a car lol
whats your point?
you bashing on blue collar workers now?
primal laurel
whats your point?
That you all suffer from car brain
forest edge
commute is not the same as your job being in a vehicle a good chunk of your shift
forest edge
That you all suffer from car brain
be sure to let your trash man and every other service that picks up after your slob ass that lol
do you know what a blue collar worker is?
forest edge
oh?
and you think that label is restricted to just those?
come on guys. i know your young but holy hell
cubical warriors spouting about stuff they know nothing about. what else is new
yea yea go back to pretending like you don't look like an IRS accountant
primal laurel
cubical warriors spouting about stuff they know nothing about. what else is new
You haven't even left your state huh
Wtf do blue collar workers have to do with car brain
Separate issues entirely
forest edge
just work with what you provide
don't make stupid statements like "spend half your life in a car"
life outside the desk is hard isn't it?
you alone huh
so in essence.. they would still pump without you?
lol touche
alright. i had my breakfast and shit talking. got stuff to do today lol
stuck anchor
altitude is read in feet
most airports in europe use meters for altitude
primal laurel
don't make stupid statements like "spend half your life in a car"
I'm talking about people like you, not 'blue collar workers'
unborn merlin
What brand is Jeep under these days?
garbage?
you just have low standards, 'murica! /s
thorny heron
If only we could get cars to follow each other; Maybe by using some linkage and some sort of pre-made street.
It could be made of steel or something
We could call it 'Trains'
Nah, it's too insane for NA
I'm in Canada; We don't even have a high speed train yet
It's been on talk for like 20+ years
scenic radish
Nah, it's too insane for NA
You don't understand... the US is Too Big™ for trains
peak slate
<@&330946878646517761>
lone dagger
Done. 🙂
peak slate
Also for people keeping track of scams, it's a crypto scam you missed out on
lone dagger
Gotta get on those scams quicker, people!
acoustic vortex
peak slate
They even screenshotted html modified Twitter to make it look "legit"
lone dagger
It's a "clever" way around word blocks.
peak slate
Also way easier than creating a full scam domain looking like a specific website
Huh https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/disposable-e-cigarettes-more-toxic-traditional-cigarettes so vaping is the new leaded gasoline
And here I thought we were getting away from constantly giving ourselves lead poisoning
lone dagger
Joke's on you.
Maybe you thought that because you had too much lead in your system?
Ever think of that?
Makes you wonder.
peak slate
Microplastics screwing up hormones combined with lead poisoning now
At least millennials should only have one of the two problems
low harness
peak slate
😆I have a preferred pattern and my back doesn't hurt, ha!
(it's just other stuff that does)
dawn badge
only sometimes is it my back but can relate
forest edge
With surgery.
yes I know it can be intimidating being to close to excellence
uh, there something you want to share?
we need new material in here
fathom sparrow
yes I know it can be intimidating being to close to excellence
you misspelled excrement
forest edge
you misspelled excrement
KC isn't the cow town it once was
now we got yuppies /shudder
fathom sparrow
Wait, you are my rival if you live in KC
forest edge
why is that
forest edge
thankfully actual KC dosen't impact us much
unlike other cities.. cough cough Chicago
and ||LA||
fathom sparrow
I visited KC once, it wasn't too bad
forest edge
I visited KC once, it wasn't too bad
oh now you done it
he's typing something fierce
wtf there is a 3rd Avatar on the way
tidal bronze
KC isn't the cow town it once was
Says who?
robust flicker
3 words that'll piss off a KC resident: Alabama White Sauce. 😂
forest edge
robust flicker
whispers: mayonnaise-based BBQ sauce
It's a no-cook BBq sauce made with mayo, and various spices. https://lilliesq.com/blogs/blog/alabama-white-sauce-the-lowdown
fathom sparrow
sounds gross
robust flicker
sounds gross
It tastes much better than it sounds like it should based on the ingredients.
fathom sparrow
it sounds like ranch ™
weak musk
which is also awful, fight me
robust flicker
it sounds like _ranch_ ™
Nah. Not even close.
fathom sparrow
which is also awful, *fight me*
I hate ranch, but I can't really talk cause I'm team blue cheese
robust flicker
There's no vinegar in ranch
weak musk
I hate ranch, but I can't really talk cause I'm team blue cheese
a man of culture (literally and figuratively)
robust flicker
AWS is mayo, apple cider vinegar, and various other spices.
Including horseradish and sometimes even habanero
fathom sparrow
"How to curdle your sauce with 3 key ingredients"
robust flicker
Shrugs. Just like Louisiana food it's better to just eat it than to figure out what goes in it.
fathom sparrow
I'd probably try it
static schooner
What a day:
weak musk
the only horse radish worth eating:
https://www.silverspringfoods.com/products/farmers-prepared-horseradish/
pseudo edge
Anyone seeing dashboard weirdness on since updating to 2025.7.4?
When I go back to my HA tab, all of my entities rapidly update (couple times a second) and I can't click on anything until they catch up with real time
forest edge
Hmm bought an ac window unit for the workshop that has matter yet my wifi reception in the workshop is complete shit
fathom sparrow
I set up matter for the first time this weekend
and let me tell you
it's a POS
likely because I already have zigbee
forest edge
be cool if it was like switchable
like you could choose for it to either be wifi or thread
fathom sparrow
I set up the thread one
that might be why it was a PITA
the biggest issue was that there is no feedback mechanism telling you things are working or not
forest edge
if I ever bother with improving my wifi in the workshop i'll let you know if wifi is any better
fathom sparrow
Can't you just run an ethernet cable outside?
I'm not sure why, but I'm assuming it's a detatched garage
forest edge
I have ethernet in the workshop. just no wifi extender with two ports
I have a poe camera in there so it's being used on that atm
fathom sparrow
oh, don't you have unifi?
forest edge
lol no
forest edge
thats decoy and qf
fathom sparrow
unifi is nice because they have POE unmanaged switches with 4 ports for $35
forest edge
well the ac unit dosen't have lan, so need an extender
fathom sparrow
yeah but I guess where I was leading was a unmanaged switch and a WAP
forest edge
yea.. oh I know money solves the issue..
lavish badger
Unmanaged? Oh noooo
fathom sparrow
that's what I do with my parents dock. we ran an eithernet from the cottage to the doc and I put a box out there with a switch and wap. internet for everyone
scenic radish
unifi is nice because they have POE unmanaged switches with 4 ports for $35
Assuming you're talking about the Flex Mini, it's actually a managed switch
But can be used as unmanaged if you don't adopt it (I'm pretty sure)
fathom sparrow
Unmanaged? Oh noooo
why go unmanaged when you likely don't need it for that area
lavish badger
It's unifi, not edgeos?
I'm just a fan of if my network is already all managed switches, why introduce unmanaged.
iron granite
Don't use switches. So uncivilized. Smart relays are better.
lavish badger
forest edge
I need one of those small extenders you see in buisnesses that look like a small white box with two antennas sticking out the sides that allow for a ethernet backhaul plus an additional port for the camera
lavish badger
How did they become the SME?
odd aurora
I'm buying an electric awning and I want to automate it with home assistant so it extends and retracts with the weather if there's someone outside, most of it seems pretty damn easy the bit I'm struggling with is finding a reliable outdoor presence sensor, is that someone anyone else has come up against and found a solution?
weak musk
I'm buying an electric awning and I want to automate it with home assistant so i...
#1284966353798697001 with recommendation tag
unborn merlin
I'm buying an electric awning and I want to automate it with home assistant so i...
you use an indoor one.
... and you flip it around
(Mmwave goes through walls and all that..)
weak musk
it can
unborn merlin
do you get wifi through walls?? 🙃
lavish badger
I'm buying an electric awning and I want to automate it with home assistant so i...
Could you use a Tuya garage door opener module? Those usually have sealed magnetic sensors.
odd aurora
I wouldn't have assumed it went through brick but yeah I guess that makes sense
weak musk
Could you use a Tuya garage door opener module? Those usually have sealed magnet...
Tuya is a four letter word here
lavish badger
LOL
odd aurora
Could you use a Tuya garage door opener module? Those usually have sealed magnet...
magnetic sensors?
unborn merlin
you said it again; you're gonna trigger missy.
lavish badger
Yeah, just reed switches I believe.
Put the sensor at a stationary point, the magnet on whatever moves.
odd aurora
well I was looking at the tuya mmwave option but obviously to be used with localtuya to 'fix' it
so everyone outside would need a magnet in their pocket?
unborn merlin
Put the sensor at a stationary point, the magnet on whatever moves.
... he wants presence sensors
lavish badger
Hey, I had a good meeting with them at CES this last year. They obviously like using their cloud, it's not perfect, but it behaves well enough.
unborn merlin
not door sensors.
lavish badger
Oh, I see, not to see if it's open or closed.
odd aurora
nah
so if it's raining and there's people outside the awning extends
if it's raining and there's not people outside it stays retracted
unborn merlin
cheap option if you already have it would be.. frigate person detection.. etc..
lavish badger
Could also do it with a camera if that would indicate the different entity types.
fathom sparrow
You are the resident matter expert though
2/10 would try another device
Anyways, I'm pretty sure I'm mixing up managed and unmanaged devices
I meant managed
forest edge
so if it's raining and there's people outside the awning extends
that still sounds risky.
lavish badger
Ugh I swear....I leave home for a week, and everything breaks. Also my mother in law turned off every manual lamp and light switch in the house.
odd aurora
risky?
weak musk
Honestly a weather station would probably be better
forest edge
go outside to see just how bad the wind is and the awning comes out and rips off lol
lavish badger
Electric awnings don't usually go near people, they're suspended off the building.
odd aurora
oh, yeah well it would be hooked into a weather station that can measure wind speed
that's also how the rain detection will be done
unborn merlin
I mean some awnings (expensive ones with an upgrade) have wind sensors too..
odd aurora
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/325985972 don't think it's gonna have a wind sensor
but that's easy enough to add as another rule
unborn merlin
Probably.. I mean
you could probably setup... a mmwave sensor under the awning in a box or something attached to a shelly 2PM (roller shutter controlling style) so that it could be semi connected..
odd aurora
oh, I'm just gonna steal the ir codes from the remote and send them out myself
reed sensor isn't gonna have the range
unborn merlin
... again he's trying to sense people not the state of the awning.
weak musk
you could use #1284966353798697001 with the recommendation tag
iron granite
sage vessel
any work with vizio TVs? They are painful to integrate fully lol
The current integration only adds power/volume/source selections. No navigation buttons/select/menu/etc. buttons
weak musk
#1284966582375813201 would know
But likely a limitation of any API that exists from Vizio
lavish badger
Oh I do but some are bulbs in regular fixtures and the switch still exists. The covers apparently do not dissuade my MIL.
forest edge
gross
lavish badger
Hey if I could afford everything to be smart switches, I would...
static schooner
It's just a cover to prevent accidental actuation. That way you know it was on purpose
lavish badger
Plus some of these are like combo fans/lights that I control via a Bond bridge, no point in a smart switch there.
static schooner
And you have more surface area to dust for fingerprints
lavish badger
At least you can wash the covers 🙂
Alright, so 2025.7.4 wrecked my Schlage integration, the unifi controller forgot it had ethernet...what else is broken...
sage vessel
But likely a limitation of any API that exists from Vizio
I think there is a way to get full remote access - I just need to use YAML and mediaplayer functions - just trying to understand all the resources I was reading online and chatgpt lol
minor bobcat
Get one of those, anyone who steps outside has to clock in
Not clocked in? Too bad you get wet.
scenic jasper
Directional antennas if you have line of sight is an option
remote stump
I have a question regarding the slixmpp library update done in latest release: https://github.com/home-assistant/core/pull/149374
I'm unsure if I should open a feature request for that:
wouldn't it be easier to let dependabot or renovate handle this "dependency"?
I made a similar merge request for the same reasons a while ago.
iron granite
I have a question regarding the slixmpp library update done in latest release: h...
You should ask that in the developer channels.
remote stump
Thx I'll have a look🙃
iron granite
Thx I'll have a look🙃
You need the Developer role though. Go to id:customize and select "I want to contribute dev skills"
remote stump
I never used discord🙈
scenic radish
someone by me is selling this Kei van and I'm not gonna lie, I'd be tempted to buy it lol
it's so sick
static schooner
weak musk
it's so sick
They are super cool
scenic radish
I've seen a few Kei trucks by us, but never a Kei van
Problem is if I did buy it, it would sit largely unused since we barely drive anywhere lol
weak musk
Groms are so hilarious to me
"Have the urge to be less visible on a motorcycle while driving in traffic? Introducing the GROM!"
(they are fun though)
fathom sparrow
someone by me is selling [this Kei van](https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/ite...
OD says 65041, listing says 39000 miles... I'd pass because that alone
weak musk
eh, just do a V8 swap and you're good to go
fathom sparrow
just check, it is in km/h, eitehr way that's 1500 different
suss
and the tank isn't full
scenic radish
literally undriveable
weak musk
You guys don't just buy a new car when you run out of gas?
sonic edge
I don't get why anybody would get a raspberry pi for 100$ instead of some random office PC from 9 years ago
lone dagger
I finished a project.
I posted it in the Apollo server, but I'll be doing an example guide for them so I'll share that here instead.
crisp oriole
Argg converting my hacs media player template to universal media player is a pain in your thump wielding a screwdriver.
Lets see if going out in amsterdam fixes things
arctic quarry
I have faith in Amsterdam
lone dagger
you mean <#1284960456880029707>
I meant "here" as in "this server".
arctic quarry
btw, just need to share this with someone: my Green is under transport. I am unreasonably psyched.
Missy, remember when I asked on stream if I should buy one 🙂
arctic quarry
it's ok, I have Dutch friends and pretend I can understand some of it
viral briar
not sure where to post this, but i ordered two HA stickers back in mid-April. honestly, completely forgot about them, but they randomly showed up today (3.5 months later) and they're awful. terrible printing quality, not actually die-cut at all, crappy edges on the cuts. i've already emailed teespring asking for a refund, but how can i make sure whoever is handling the merch store on the nabucasa side is aware?
lone dagger
We're super aware, don't worry.
We're in the process of hiring someone who can help with the logistics of what we're trying to build for a new merch store.
Unfortunately, we don't have any time frames for the new store until we have the role filled.
viral briar
awesome, thank you!
minor bobcat
My printing heart is dying
lone dagger
awesome, thank you!
(also love your keyboard)
crisp oriole
Going out in amsterdam interupt. Catch of the day.
lone dagger
awesome, thank you!
Don't ever worry about reporting something like this to us - we definitely want to know these things, and I do what I can to address them. 😄
viral briar
appreciate that! def not upset with HA/NC, and will deal with teespring directly for a refund, just a bummer because I ordered some merch specifically to support all the great work and seeing that these teespring people are delivering a subpar product in y'all's name is disheartening. is there a way to donate directly without buying anything?
arctic quarry
Going out in amsterdam interupt. Catch of the day.
nice hubcap! 😶
lone dagger
appreciate that! def not upset with HA/NC, and will deal with teespring directly...
No(t yet 😉 ). We often suggest people purchase another HA Cloud subscription from Nabu Casa if they want to support us further, there's no need to use the (maybe extra) sub but it does support us directly. Several other community members already do this. 😄
arctic quarry
you can also buy (another) green 🙂
-# like I just did
-# just needed to say it again
-# can it pleeease just get here
static schooner
A green subscription
Most people buy one every month...
A new one for each HA update
arctic quarry
omg yes
"Thank you for supporting us! Here is your quarterly Green! This time, we've taken inspiration from the ocean..."
lone dagger
That sounds like ...a lot of e-waste. 
scenic radish
just gotta cluster them 🅱️s
arctic quarry
yeah see you're slowly building your own compute farm
Nabu gets a little more clever with each one
in a couple of years it'll be "OK Nabu solve the Gödel incompleteness theorem" and Nabu be like "pff trivialities"
lavish badger
You can have my 2011 era Xeons when you pry them from my likely first degree burned hands from holding them.
crisp oriole
A new one for each HA update
O yeah. That is a bug in the new release if you still have the 2025.5 green you can use that one
unborn merlin
You can have my 2011 era Xeons when you pry them from my likely first degree bur...
or from working your hands off to pay for the electric bill. /s
lavish badger
They're not cheap to run, no kidding.
I could probably swap the boards for something less terrible, supermicro chassis are rather universal.
lavish badger
Can't be that smart, that thing can nearly vote....
unborn merlin
They're not cheap to run, no kidding.
funny enough I keep delaying finishing my build..
running some old dual xeon socket thing from a while ago..
24 threads total..
lavish badger
I think mine are even weaker than that, 16 thread.
unborn merlin
new build using.. a weird chinese mainboard
using this.
.. so same threadcount in the end? 🤣
just at you know.. a fourth the wattage and has an iGPU
lavish badger
I like it.
scenic radish
Jeebus
forest edge
its crazy just how good the wifi is on my phone vs just average devices. like I get what shows decent wifi coverage in the workshop but literally any other wifi device I have ever had in there chokes lol
sage vessel
Anyone work with custom Vizio integration YAML to get extra button functionality not available from the smartcast integration?
forest edge
didn't you already ask that in here? this is not for that kind of support
stuck anchor
just gotta cluster them 🅱️s
we just need that ha version of ha...
sage vessel
It's just a random question for a random new bunch of people looking at chat O.o
forest edge
@tidal bronze found out what happened to your rims and tires. https://youtu.be/oXgy37MDp1w?si=KlKu4NVu5d915fiZ
lavish badger
Man, after like 2 weeks of tinkering I'm pretty happy with HA. Except getting Wyze working with it. That's a disaster :\
forest edge
lol give up on wyze
lavish badger
It's pretty hopeless.
forest edge
just go a more sutable route
lavish badger
I mean my preferred would be Unifi cameras.
But that's a hefty investment between wiring and gear.
weak musk
They have a few wireless models
forest edge
meh 50-60 bucks for wire. and depending on what camera you get they are not much more than the wyze
lavish badger
It's not so much the cost of the wiring. More the difficulty of it.
I paid $10 for most of my Wyze cams...
forest edge
bargain bin huh lol
lavish badger
Like...the cheapest ones are around $100?
forest edge
speaking of which I got a couple of V2's and V3 for sell.. if your a glutton
lavish badger
The V3s actually behave just fine, ironically.
I just don't have very many of them.
The OGs are the problem, they changed the protocol entirely.
It is what it is. Cameras aren't that important to my setup, fortunately.
split grail
did they stop selling the regular shelly em?
I still see it on their site but all I see on amazon are the din models https://us.shelly.com/products/shelly-em-50a-clamp
forest edge
think they are clearing house for the gen 4 stuff
split grail
can I just not get an energy meter? I need it for my solar stuff
lavish badger
I enjoy discounts....
forest edge
thats a tricky question. you can monitor energey many ways
lavish badger
Man this stuff is dirt cheap.
forest edge
do you need a clamp?
split grail
yes
it's for my inverter. I'm trying to measure incoming AC vs outgoing AC to determine how much solar I'm producing after all the inefficiencies
forest edge
you may have to go with another brand then for clamp. does it have to be wifi?
split grail
yeah so I wouldn't have to buy extra bluetooth stuff. we already have a wifi network
forest edge
I would avoid tuya stuff wifi. I think Athom may have some clamp meters
ocean oar
I would avoid tuya stuff wifi. I think Athom may have some clamp meters
Shelly might be a good option too
forest edge
Shelly might be a good option too
he can't find the em
sorry.. he/she
@split grailhttps://www.athom.tech/blank-1/2-ch-energy-meter-made-for-tasmota
split grail
I would avoid tuya stuff wifi. I think Athom may have some clamp meters
yeah I've heard they're garbage
split grail
<@134551719907426304>https://www.athom.tech/blank-1/2-ch-energy-meter-made-for-t...
I don't have din rails that's the problem
forest edge
you don't have to mount it
split grail
with shelly I can just stick it inside the inverter itself
forest edge
the problem is the majority of wifi clamp stuff is tuya under one name or another
and thats a headache I would advise against
split grail
yeah my plan was shelly and emporia with esphome flashed
shelly for my solar stuff and emporia for general house stuff
forest edge
well the athom might be able to go esphome rather than tasmota
split grail
I had my eyes set on shelly since they do a lot and seem to be pretty known
forest edge
so the shelly addon plus has a voltage meter input. not sure it works with clamps tho
lavish badger
Is it suitable if you just wanted to monitor power draw on your main legs?
Seems like you'd need quite a few clamps otherwise.
lavish badger
I'd love something that monitors power "signatures" but seems like all those are $200-300
split grail
so the shelly addon plus has a voltage meter input. not sure it works with clamp...
why would the shelly em not measure voltage?
lavish badger
It's only amperage clamps, I think?
split grail
like switches and stuff?
forest edge
I don't know what it's limitations are for monitoring power. I know it can do like batteries etc
forest edge
for that matter the uni could operate in the same way
lavish badger
Hmmm. That would work then.
split grail
I don't think shelly has JUST a power meter with no other features
forest edge
due to shitty tuya being everywhere
split grail
that one's really just meant for plugs
forest edge
if you ran zigbee your options would open up
split grail
I was thinking about it but it's more money and there's so many zigbee antennas
ocean oar
In case it's not clear, the "EM Mini" one is a current shunt, not an non-contact clamp.
Some people get a bit twitchy thinking about running that much current through the device itself (and I have seen the odd picture of melted ones), non-contact would definitely be my personal preference.
forest edge
I was thinking about it but it's more money and there's so many zigbee antennas
worth it
the only downside is the zigbee device addiction lol
forest edge
with zigbee tuya stuff comes back into the picture
split grail
https://cloudfree.shop/product/smlight-zigbee-ethernet-adapter/
also thats' spensive
forest edge
cause tuya zigbee is actually alright
forest edge
also thats' spensive
40 bucks is not bad
split grail
don't know what the difference is between that and something like sonoff
forest edge
https://tubeszb.com/product/usb-c-coordinator-2024/ is a little cheaper and also a solid choice
I just like the smlight better
split grail
it's gotta be something I can get on amazon
forest edge
oh well amazon upticks that smlight price lol
split grail
a lot wtf
forest edge
i am sure there is a zigbee cordinator post in #1284966353798697001 with others people have used and work ok like the sonoff or whatever
that can be found on amazon
split grail
I'll have to look for that stuff later one. right now I really need an energy monitor
forest edge
didn't you hear? petro says thread sucks
split grail
it sucks because the only energy data I have is from my UPS. that's it
forest edge
he rigged up one using a d1 lol
unborn merlin
It is what it is. Cameras aren't that important to my setup, fortunately.
I mean you can use cheap chinese stuff and shove frigate on it..
lavish badger
Huh. I just realized my rack has an APC PDU. I wonder if it reveals power usage.
split grail
POE makes things cost considerably more 😄
I don't even think I have PoE capability
unborn merlin
then you get a smaller one that doesnt use all that extra shit?
forest edge
I don't even think I *have* PoE capability
don't need it. it can run ooff usb c power
would be fine too
but buying the other off cloudflare for just a few bucks more is worth it
not sure they got the kinks worked out of the EFR chip yet
ocean oar
I'd probably suggest this one, if you need a clamp: https://www.shelly.com/products/shelly-em-gen3
lavish badger
I wonder actually...I might be able to pull data right from the utility.
Yep, I can.
forest edge
https://www.shelly.com/collections/all-products?filter.p.m.custom.product_type=E...
shelly em stuff in the us is either sold out or removed
which is the problem they are having
ocean oar
Yeah I got that. It's also funny how much everything being DIN rail mount in Europe influences the design
lavish badger
That's what VHB tape is for.
split grail
I'd probably suggest this one, if you need a clamp: https://www.shelly.com/produ...
oh screw me I guess lol
lavish badger
Just you in particular.
ocean oar
Womp womp
split grail
damn europeans ruining everything again lol
was the other shelly a gen 1 then?
hm. I just found this. wonder how this works. I don't really know how github stuff works https://github.com/CharlesGodwin/pymagnum
lavish badger
Usually just need to set up HACS to pull the repo
split grail
oh it's still useless because I need an RS485 to USB dongle.
lavish badger
At least those should be dirt cheap these days, good old PL2303 based stuff
Oh, wait...485
Not 232
split grail
I mean if I'm buying anything I might as well just ship the shelly in. it makes no sense trying to workaround the shelly if I have to ship something in anyway
lavish badger
True.
ocean oar
Does feel like you'd spend more money half-assing your way out of an issue
split grail
wait ok so what are my options for energy monitoring since shelly looks like it's getting rid of the EM?
I think it's just these 4?
well two really. the EM-50 is only single phase so I'd need two and the 3EM is straight up discontinued
the shelly em can only be bought on the site and the pro 3em is $120
god there's different versions of the 3em too? how do people wrap their head around this stuff?
split grail
tuya
forest edge
i've had one on my furnace for a while. works great
split grail
we were just talking about how bad tuya was earlier
forest edge
zigbee tuya is fine
drifting jungle
Anyone else have this issue after the new update
system is not healthy - duplicate_os_installation
lavish badger
This is not tech support.
static schooner
Anyone else have this issue after the new update
system is not healthy - dupli...
Assuming you're talking about home assistant, please post in #1284966540617449515
lavish badger
If you're not, you have bigger problems 🙂
lavish badger
But I don't think you need AI...
daring jolt
but if you're calling claude code with cron you might as well call the commands it calls with cron
yeah lol
split grail
am i like the 5th person to post this here
lol
peak slate
Switching off your aircon sounds like an awful start to the day
Might as well kill power to the whole house at that point
And that's at 8:30pm at night
unborn merlin
I can't wait for republicans to push to use celsius.
(because the number is lower see there's no climate change! /s)
sage vessel
Trying to find the latest version of HASS agent or an equivalent trusted software to send notifications to the PC and issue commands via scripts on HAOS -> PC. I heard it was forked however I see no updates for 3 months - I am guessing it's still good just no new development? (apologies if there is a better spot for this)
https://github.com/hass-agent/HASS.Agent
Disregard this is still good - the beta build has development from a month ago
peak slate
And if an ai turned off your ac I'm sure you too would go all John wick on it
lavish badger
See at least I know which wires to cross in case it tries lol
ocean oar
As a reminder:
peak slate
Lol tech enthusiasts now: my whole house is controlled by ai
lavish badger
I mean I wired everything in my house. I made you I can unmake you lol
dawn badge
I still see it on their site but all I see on amazon are the din models https://...
as far as i know they are still selling it and also its updated gen3 version
split grail
as far as i know they are still selling it and also its updated gen3 version
which gen3? the white one?
dawn badge
which gen3? the white one?
yeah this one - https://kb.shelly.cloud/knowledge-base/shelly-em-gen3
they switched the ct terminals to use the connector that comes on their ct clamps instead of using screw terminals which is kinda nice in most situations but otherwise its basically the same
split grail
yeah this one - https://kb.shelly.cloud/knowledge-base/shelly-em-gen3
oih what? I never saw that
I find it funny that they have an unreleased gen 3 but have gen 4 devices
dawn badge
I find it funny that they have an unreleased gen 3 but have gen 4 devices
the em gen3 one has been available for a while. perhaps availability depends on country though
dawn badge
split grail
dawn badge
there it is 🙂
split grail
that's so sucky. you have to know it exists in order to find it
dawn badge
the 63t version is also cool if your putting in a panel.
split grail
it's just straight up not on their product list
I thought I was crazy so I checked twice and it's straight up not there
dawn badge
it's just straight up not on their product list
thats really annoying
dawn badge
you get the generic advantages of gen3 device over gen1 device. there are some extra features. some extra scripting stuff and bluetooth proxy for example. i am sure there is other stuff too but nothing specific that i can remember off hand
split grail
they don't even tell you why it's better
dawn badge
they don't even tell you why it's better
generic newer/better/faster/extra stuff that you may or may not use etc...
split grail
what does "advanced energy monitoring" even mean?
dawn badge
could be something like that, i don't really know i have 2 of the gen1 versions and never had issues with them. i am sure the gen3 is either the same or better for functionality but its not like i am itching to upgrade.
split grail
I guess it's one of those things where if you have it already it's find but if you're new to automation it's good to get gen 3 because of BT stuff I guess?
dawn badge
yeah i imagine so. i have a ton of shelly devices with bt proxies on. helps my bermuda setup for device room tracking great
split grail
yeah i imagine so. i have a ton of shelly devices with bt proxies on. helps my b...
I keep thinking you're talking about the country
does the gen 3 even come with the clamps?
oh one 50a clamp so while already costing $90 I have to get ANOTHER clamp
do it's going to end up costing $100
I guess it's not much more than $73 but still
but then it apparently says it's for the pro 3em? Ihaev no idea what's going on https://us.shelly.com/products/shelly-pro-3em-120a?_pos=9&_sid=57664710c&_ss=r
forest edge
yeah i imagine so. i have a ton of shelly devices with bt proxies on. helps my b...
was the proxy a gen 3 addition?
dawn badge
was the proxy a gen 3 addition?
gen2 i think but there is no gen2 version of the em. so changing from 1 -> 3 gets it 🙂
split grail
wait now I'm even more confused. this one's not compatible with the pro 3EM? https://us.shelly.com/products/current-transformer-50a?_pos=1&_sid=081e23e2a&_ss=r
dawn badge
most ct clamps (i beleive including these ones) are passive so i imagine they are all compatable but i am not sure
forest edge
has to do with the winding I believe. they are "up to"
split grail
I guess that's why?
it's 50A and the pro only comes in those 3
but then there's also a 120A version
so then what one's for what? I'm so confused
can I use either one for the em gen3 then?
forest edge
well it has that special connector on them so your limited to that unless you want to do some slicing
split grail
they both have them
forest edge
there you go
split grail
and the EM comes with a 50A one but I have 60A service so I wanted to get a second 120A one
I don't even know if you can split them like that or if you have to have one or the other
forest edge
don't have an em to see but they usually have adjusts in the gui
you could email shelly and ask them lol
at this rate you would be better off buying a smart breaker the system connect to lol
split grail
uh
forest edge
support@shelly.cloud
split grail
they really don't make it easy to do anything
split grail
oh that's fun there's something else. The Gen3 is only compatible with the 50A and 80A transformers, not 120A like gen 1 can
solar zealot
For reference the plugs are differently between the 3em and pro 3em
fresh raven
Beta tomorrow 
high remnant
its working again 🥺
dawn marlin
I need to get around to figuring out how to get my car in there
I just need to trade mine in for an electric at this point
lavish badger
Hmmm. So my wife has requested if we're going to make HA in charge of most of the house rather than just Alexa that we have a tablet to control things...but I'm certainly not going to invest in an iPad. Anyone have a favorite cheap android tablet they like that isn't total garbage?
lone dagger
A lot of people buy refurbished devices overall for that. Totally possible the #1284966353798697001 tag Recommendation may find the answer for you, or you can post it up there. Or ask in #the-workshop - but you'll probably get more DIY answers there.
lavish badger
hmmm good idea.
lone dagger
I'm using e-ink displays for my family, but 100% they are not cheap for larger panels and they are still incredibly time consuming to build up.
Android tablets on the other hand have the ability to use the app as a launcher now, so it's stupid easy to set things up.
lavish badger
That was kind of my thought.
Easy, user friendly.
I have tested a few tablets in the past, and I'm not sure for HA purposes, but for example like the $50 tablets just are incredibly underpowered CPU wise.
Running things like the Wyze client even bogged them down.
lone dagger
No, mine are all ESP32!
lavish badger
Ah, hence the additional setup. Very low power though.
lone dagger
Yep.
lavish badger
I'm not super concerned about battery life...we have USB outlets literally everywhere in the house....by the couch, at the kitchen island, the dining table, etc
So as long as my wife doesn't drag it around...other option would be a wall mounted one.
Just permanent power.
lone dagger
The biggest thing you'll run into that I have seen the community complain about is that batteries in tablets tend to poof up when plugged in for too long.
lavish badger
Non intelligent charging circuits, I'd imagine.
I have an older iPad Air I have mounted to a stationary bike I made into a poor man's peleton, and it's been on a charger for years, seems fine.
Actually...I wonder what the oldest iOS HA will run on is.
glacial knot
yea, there's some android tablets without batteries these days
if it's intended to be entirely stationary, those are neat
lavish badger
I'm more than handy enough to remove a battery and put a capacitor in place.
Assuming it's worth the effort, of course.
Or would it be a resistor...not sure how those charging circuits work
glacial knot
@lone dagger what do you run on those esp32? I have an 7" TFT based on ESP32 and ran openhasp on it for a while, but the setup (Especially because it's dual sided with HA and openhasp) annoyed me so I stopped using it
lone dagger
ESPHome works for a good portion of e-ink displays built on ESP32 boards.
I used their compatibility page to see what brand would work best.
glacial knot
makes sense. yea, I think this one doesn't work with esphome due to some issues with the display driver
I looked it up a short while ago, and all I could find was an external repo with some patches that still had caveats
lavish badger
Ah, here's one people seem to like...good lord it's expensive though https://www.goeducation.co.uk/15-POS-Android-Advertising-Display-p/dgs-pos-aad-pos15hd7b.htm
I was thinking like $100ish
glacial knot
anyways, time to spend 240€ on LED strips 
lavish badger
Because more LEDs is always good
I'm slowly running out of places in my house to install them lol
lone dagger
A little flashy since Discord lowers the resolution/fps but MY MEETING AUTOMATIONS WORK.
lavish badger
I love those types of displays.
Very nice.
LOL, I actually have one in our garage...the whole idea was to welcome someone home with a scrolling message...but I found out...it breaks the garage door openers.
lone dagger
My absolute joy at something this simple working lol.
lavish badger
If you put enough tech into it, essentially it looks like magic to our monkey brains.
scenic radish
should have it sound a siren too when you're in a meeting
weak musk
Looks good Missy
lavish badger
LOL like a fire alarm.
lone dagger
should have it sound a siren too when you're in a meeting
It is 7:30am and people are sleeping, they don't need that.
glacial knot
I moved. I want to put a 5m LED strip into one room, angled towards the ceiling. As main light source
not entirely sure which type of LED strip I want though, so I'll just order 5m each of 2
lone dagger
lavish badger
I still need to see if I can get my old "Red Alert" trigger working with HA. But that relies on Alexa announcing things which I think is broken.
forest edge
A little flashy since Discord lowers the resolution/fps but MY MEETING AUTOMATIO...
wtf kind of animal was that at the end you have in your home?
glacial knot
A little flashy since Discord lowers the resolution/fps but MY MEETING AUTOMATIO...
that's some baller desk setup
lone dagger
wtf kind of animal was that at the end you have in your home?
A German Shepard with bat ears.
glacial knot
corpa forbids us from extracting who we talk to 😦
forest edge
thought it was a nature preserve there for a sec
glacial knot
that's some baller desk setup
needs some cable management though 
scenic radish
It is 7:30am and people are sleeping, they don't need that.
they need to know
lone dagger
LOL. Funny sitting dog.
You can hear her click clack around just before things switch.
glacial knot
My test setup with the hue strip I had around
Phone roughly at my eye height to take the photo
lavish badger
Ehhh even that bothers me a bit.
glacial knot
But the led/m on this is way too low
lavish badger
Denser would look more uniform.
glacial knot
Yea, it's not great
The strip needs to be even more indirect, so I want to try with way higher density
high remnant
I need to get around to figuring out how to get my car in there
i mean VAG hates this so it will break soon
glacial knot
yea, cob is one of the variants I want to try
also, with the full 5m instead of 2 or so I got here, I can probably also reduce the brightness and make them less of an issue to look at directly
weak musk
So our A/C failed yesterday. When the tech came to fix it, he walked down to the finished basement to look at the furnace/fan unit-- the automated stair edge lighting came on and he literally stopped on the stairs turned to me and was like "Wait wait wait, do the lights know what direction you're walking on the stairs?! This is the coolest thing I've ever seen in a client house!"
If he wasn't charging hourly I'd probably have gotten him pulled into the HA black hole
static schooner
because the dog stays behind?
weak musk
I know some people have had success putting the mmWave under the couch pointing up at the seats
static schooner
I mean, it's watching TV too
weak musk
or using pressure sensors under the cushions
static schooner
just because you have to go the bathroom, no need to pause for him
glacial knot
dog needs better human then 
glacial knot
I meant one, that knows how to set boundaries 😂
Interesting though
Amazon is shipping me a used book from the US
At no shipping charge
Let's see what happens with customs o.0
dawn marlin
i mean VAG hates this so it will break soon
I currently have a car that uses Sirius xm guardian lol
static schooner
lol, they scan it, shred it, send the content, and reprint it for you
like a...book transporter
forest edge
that just made me think of those long ass FAX's we use to get at work