the-water-cooler

[forest edge]

Precieved as so. Drink less, not soda etc

[peak slate]

I know vaping is basically being a human test subject and people consume vast quantities more nicotine that way

[forest edge]

Same with vaping

[minor bobcat]

The vaping shit is so insane

These things have 20mg of nicotine in it

[peak slate]

It's "better"than smoking if you only do enough to be equivalent to how much you used to smoke, problem is people vape way more, and the companies encourage it

[high remnant]

the white ones

[forest edge]

Worse. More chemicals

[peak slate]

Some wild docu out there about it, and the original designer of the vapes trying to just quit smoking

[forest edge]

Especially the flavored stuff

[minor bobcat]

The marketing towards young people is just disgusting

[peak slate]

Oh yeah, and how they don't actually know what chemicals actually are in there

[high remnant]

🤷‍♂️

[minor bobcat]

Chemicals are supposedly fine here 'cause EU but yeah...

[high remnant]

yassssss I did stop drinking a while back tbh

[peak slate]

Gotta make a buck some how right, capitalism at all costs

[distant jewel]

is it beta time?

[minor bobcat]

Proper vapes use much less nicotine too

[forest edge]

Not according to science

[high remnant]

I mean its like trading one bad for another bad

I mean how about quitting 😇

I did

[minor bobcat]

That's the way

[forest edge]

No filter better? lol

[minor bobcat]

Just go cold turky, everyone i know that tried to use alternatives either failed or got stuck on the alternative lol

[forest edge]

Just smoke pot

Eat brownies

[primal laurel]

they contain heavy metals which give you all sorts of nasty cancers

[forest edge]

Yea

Vape cannabis

[minor bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[high remnant]

Just go for a motorcycle ride! Way more healthy

[primal laurel]

what's the difference

[high remnant]

do it brother

[forest edge]

Reputable vaping fluid? That don't exist. Medical monitored maybe

[primal laurel]

uuuuuuh

[minor bobcat]

You can create the part that creates vape yourself. The coil and cotton can be much higher grades and the proper liquid is basicly propylenglykol

[forest edge]

Antifreeze you say

[minor bobcat]

And glycerin

[high remnant]

that's my guilty pleasue ngl

[forest edge]

Maybe if you tip toe and vape it much less but they already proven vaping even the same amount as you smoked is 1.5x worse than cigarettes

[minor bobcat]

Not quite, chemicly similar but it's reaction in the human body is deemed safe. It's used in loads of foods. Mostly sweets

[forest edge]

There is a nice YouTube video about it but on mobile and at car dealer so can't search for it

[high remnant]

I've tanken out the DB killer soo

[minor bobcat]

For context I'm not vaping i just want to be informed when getting into arguments. And I have that argument a lot at work lol

[high remnant]

has it been decatted?

also how the fuck

its a 125cc?

how hell does that set off car alarms lol

what'd you feed it?

[minor bobcat]

2 Stroke?

[high remnant]

even my 800cc isn't that loud

[forest edge]

Rice burners...

[high remnant]

thats crazy

[high remnant]

you know me

nah I wanted to know the sound and I'll put it back in .. sometime

🤣

[forest edge]

Improper back pressure is a thing just sayin...

[scenic radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylhsbfQTPDQ

[high remnant]

nah its fine

its only the slip on

[minor bobcat]

How do say? Yesn't

[high remnant]

haven't decatted it

[high remnant]

it may or may not have a slight effect

its not decatted so 🤷‍♂️

[minor bobcat]

It probably only has benefits considering the exhaust is still rather slim and not perfectly flow through

If you'd stick a 3" pipe on each cylinder it goes to shit

[high remnant]

I mean the OEM exhaust is like a whole bloody topbox

[minor bobcat]

Any engine I've worked at had no deficiency with less backpressure

What's more important is flow and how exhaust of cylinders help clean out the others

Venturi effects and shit

[high remnant]

its a parallel 2

it'll be fine

[minor bobcat]

They're still alternating in firing

[desert cave]

I know some ER docs who would disagree, lol

[high remnant]

I am dating one who disagrees with me

[desert cave]

My mother worked as an ER nurse for a while, and had a rule of no motorcycles under her roof because of it

(of course this was in the 80s soo.. probably a lot better safety gear now)

[high remnant]

I had the bike first so it wasn't a suprise

[high remnant]

all the gear all the time

[near reef]

I keep getting this caveman urge to buy a $800 125cc from amazon and ride it on ||private roads|| unplated

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

[near reef]

currently riding a 2-4 horsepower electric bike

[scenic radish]

currently riding a one humanpower pedal bike

[static schooner]

Electric bikes have encouraged younger and younger kids to be obnoxious on public roads

[near reef]

traffic is slow as balls though that's the only thing holding me back

[high remnant]

?

[static schooner]

I saw one dude a couple of days ago doing a wheelie on his through stop lights and everything

He must've been going like 30mph

[scenic radish]

doesn't justify it, but better to be an idiot on a bike than an idiot in a car

[near reef]

our traffic signals are very unfortunate so sometimes I'm slower than a pedal bike that blows red lights

[high remnant]

being held back by traffic on a bike

[static schooner]

In the bike lane

[near reef]

this is NYC, there's not enough room to safely overtake if traffic is bad

[high remnant]

this

[high remnant]

hold my white monster

[minor bobcat]

Gotta give me something to honk at aye?

Overtake on the right and wonder why I'm so close to fucking killing you

[near reef]

the traffic lights situation is so bad

I often play leapfrog with analog bikes running red lights

[minor bobcat]

Packed roads cars left and right and some bike going through the middle or the far right ...

[near reef]

they'll pass me on red, I pass them on green till the next red light 10s later...

sometimes I just give up and follow them for the slipstream

[high remnant]

if it fits

[minor bobcat]

Not a fan, had so many close calls

[high remnant]

meh

I do it all the time

the teslas are the ones that are sketch the others are fine

[minor bobcat]

Middle is fine mostly but nobody expects you on the right

[high remnant]

I mean its not allowed in germany iirc

[minor bobcat]

Splitting in general yeah

It's accepted if you're going careful

[high remnant]

ah its allowed here :D

[near reef]

the cyber truck is the most ridiculous road vehicle ever I have to stand up to see past them

[minor bobcat]

Overtaking on the right is a big nono. Bike or car.

[high remnant]

either at like the most left lanes or down the middle on a 2 lane road

[high remnant]

Thankfully not allowed here

[scenic radish]

cars in general have gotten way more dangerous over the past few years, but the cybertruck is truly on its own level

[near reef]

yeah, can't see shit

if the cover is on you literally can't see anything (from behind the CT)

[high remnant]

I am just hoping the EU also bans those F250s and F150s

[minor bobcat]

Everyone has to drive a tesla then it's safe /s

[high remnant]

I hope not

[scenic radish]

except for the fact that they've gone up substantially in size and weight

[high remnant]

they're a pain to get past in a jam

[near reef]

can't filter past a cybertruck either they take up so much room

so I end up tailgating them

stood up

ridiculous

[north smelt]

Heya all, just wanted to introduce myself. Not working with HA yet, saving up for a new NAS/homelab.. but joined the discord already anyway.

[high remnant]

no the main issue is tht they drive on the ACC and that means they are in the middle of the lane. The unattentive driver (genuinely always) has no clue I am trying to get past

like the most left lane is 2M wide and the car is 1.99M wide

https://tenor.com/eD0g80AAuB9.gif

[minor bobcat]

Where are you supposed to go then? Only because some bike is bored and wants to jump in front.

[high remnant]

just slightly to the left like everyone does

I mean I dont get mad when they dont

its just a thing I have noticed and this is an autopilot/acc thing

[minor bobcat]

I'm being a dick on purpose now but, what do I care if you can't cut in front?

[high remnant]

I'll get past anyway lol

not many people are dicks, some are

you just have to wait for an opening

[north smelt]

Hello! 😂

[high remnant]

🤣

hai

[minor bobcat]

Lol

[north smelt]

(i don't drive anymore, so i wont be An issue :p just couldnt resist the joke)

[high remnant]

Like in the decade of riding it happend 3 times that someone was being difficult and you shrug and just go about your day

[high remnant]

oh no not at all

[minor bobcat]

I'm on your side, i do make space etc. But I'm also one of the "sportier" drivers that goes for gaps with his small french baguette and sometimes bikes are in my way lol

[high remnant]

it really depends on the situation

[scenic radish]

i hate driving and i'm glad i barely ever need to

[high remnant]

if you floor it in a traffic jam you're special :X

[north smelt]

You'll miss it when you arent alowed anymore.

I Hated it aswel, and didnt drive Often.. but it sure does give you a lot of freedom .. even if you don't use it

[minor bobcat]

I've only got car dudes in my circles, no daily bikers, so i was genuinely interested in your POV. Which is why I escalated that discussion a bit

[scenic radish]

i enjoy the freedom of having the choice to walk, bike, take transit, or drive

[high remnant]

hey I could also be in front of you spilling DSG and/or engine oil 🤷‍♂️

[minor bobcat]

I'll throw some gears at ya!

[high remnant]

as long as you're somewhat predictable you're fine. I am well aware someone could and WILL dive in a gap so that's the 'scary' bits of riding in a jam

erratic driving usualy goes hand in hand with indicators that you can somewhat predict

[forest edge]

What do you mean?

[scenic radish]

physically larger and heavier, worse visibility

[forest edge]

Just swapped to the second car needing oil change so back at the shop lol

[forest edge]

Compared? Generally visibility has improved I thought

Even now with back up cams etc

[scenic radish]

compared to cars where the hood height wasn't absolutely absurd

[north smelt]

Unrelated, Im looking into wich OS to go for when setting up my homelab.. unraid any good/easy to pick up..? Ive been using Synology for years, but im fed up with the outdated hardware..

I mostly use it as media server, but when i have the option i want to go wild ^^

[high remnant]

tbh I am running HA on the cheapest I could find

[forest edge]

That's the SUV trend. Nothing different just more people driving them than cars

[scenic radish]

safer for everyone in the car, less so for other road users, particularly those not in cars

[north smelt]

Yeah, but my current NAS is on it's last legs and im investing in a bigass piece of hardware i a couple of months.

96gig of ram, 11 bays for HDD.. 🙂 the works.

[minor bobcat]

You can hide a grown man in these deadspots lol

[scenic radish]

SUVs... which have become much larger and heavier

[high remnant]

don't threaten me with a good time

[scenic radish]

and trucks which have also become much larger and heavier

[high remnant]

I think there's a channel dedicated for setups and hardware but I cannot remember which one

[scenic radish]

except for hood heights / designs which have become much less safe for pedestrians

[forest edge]

I disagree. These car SUVs are smaller than like the old blazers etc. you sure your not thinking of like the surbubans?

[high remnant]

Oh its #1284966353798697001 iirc

[north smelt]

Ill check it out.

Just trying to blend in the casual talk here. Been a bit on the lonly side for a while now and looking for People with shared intrest.

Cant leave my house most of the time, so energy and automation are my go to ^^

[forest edge]

Even the half ton trucks are smaller than older ones

[high remnant]

sure

[scenic radish]

sedans, yes. SUVs and trucks, no

[high remnant]

I mean I can share my hardware list if that helps but I wouldn't recommend it if you do not want old hardware lol

[scenic radish]

I'm 6' 0" / 182 cm, and the hood of some stock trucks and SUVs are at my shoulder height

[north smelt]

I Know what hardware im going for. Im just going between operating systems

[forest edge]

Those are not suvs

[north smelt]

Im 1m93, and got destroyed by a sedan a couple of years ago. It's not always the size of the car ^^

[scenic radish]

agreed, but it's a factor

[minor bobcat]

It's no secret that vehicle have gotten larger. For increased passenger safety at the cost of visibility. Some take it to an extreme but with modern sensors that become more and more standard accidents decrease

[north smelt]

True

[forest edge]

I think design is just throwing your eye

We went through the oval era to the box one

[north smelt]

Wich i don't get, considering aerodinamics

[minor bobcat]

Try #1284966540617449515 and we might be able to help find something in between this mess lol

[north smelt]

Thx

Ill look into proxmox, considering ill be using it as a media server/download station mainly.

Thanks for the tip

[forest edge]

Rim sizes have increased and if you couple that with 4x4 trucks that come with knoby tires that will raise the height a little too

4x4's use to just be sold with all terrain tires but these days they rolling out with mud slingers

[minor bobcat]

Most "jeeps" "offroaders" "4x4" are just parking lot queens

[forest edge]

Irony of me being at a automotive shops right now lol

There are far more choices of tires now then there has been

[static schooner]

It's amazing how weird and off putting that was when it was introduced. Truly polarizing compared to econoboxes

[minor bobcat]

The lowest one is the kind most rangers here use and they actually go "offroad" lol

[static schooner]

Now it looks almost like any random car

[minor bobcat]

Nothing comes close to that

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/glaggleland-fish-silly-gigglefish-giggle-gif-27169496

[forest edge]

Looks like something @clear ferry would drive

[minor bobcat]

That's the US pendant I'd say

[forest edge]

On mobile my gradient never moves lol

[minor bobcat]

Nah you're just nomaGT on mobile

[static schooner]

You can turn it off on mobile

[forest edge]

NomaGT is actually one of my gaming names lol

Can't believe oil changes are over 50 bucks

How many quarts? Full synthetic?

6 quarts and just synthetic is 56

Dealers usually also charge more over other places

As if name brand oil is worth it lol

[minor bobcat]

Depends on the application

[robust flicker]

My wife got rear ended in this several years back. Hit her hard enough to shove her several feel forward with her brakes locked. Dude's air bags deployed... The car that hit her was a Chevy Corsica. It was totaled. That Isuzu ran fine for half a dozen more years.

Had a trailer hitch on it, and used it to pull dad's boat a few times, or any number of trailers. That hitch punched thru the radiator and cracked the guy's engine block. He broke the ball on the hitch. No other damage to my vehicle.

[forest edge]

Cause it wasn't a frame against frame collision

[robust flicker]

It was, however, the likely cause of one of our two stillborn children.

[minor bobcat]

Impact didn't get absorbed... Really tragic to hear.

[forest edge]

They do say newer vehicle frames are weaker. Not sure if that's true or not

[robust flicker]

She went to the ER, and they checked her over. no problems. 2 weeks later checkup, no. Heartbeat. She was due in 2 months. They induced labor, and we buried him next to my grandfather. My son's name: Sean.

He'd been named for 2 months already.

[minor bobcat]

They're softer in the direction of travel, any other direction and theyre stiffer

[forest edge]

Well alot are not solid one piece as well I think

[robust flicker]

Thanks. That was around Christmas 2003.

[forest edge]

Any frame that has 2 or more pieces are weaker

[minor bobcat]

The cell around the passenger get the focus

Anything else is supposed to crumble to absorb the kinetic energy

[forest edge]

Not the frame lol

Surely not the frame

[minor bobcat]

From the windshield to the numberplate, it can just let go that's fine. Yeah the car is totaled but the part you're sitting in is fine and that's the most important thing

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/coca-cola-crushing-cans-crushed-cans-soda-coke-gif-18581932

[minor bobcat]

Strong framerails from the front to back are the main thing every manufacturer got rid off to get better safety ratings

Now it's all about a safety bubble around the passenger and the rest is optional

[forest edge]

Well when it comes time for me to get a new truck I'll be sure to be extra picky lol

Maybe I'll get a cyber truck so @tidal bronze will want to ride with me

[minor bobcat]

He can lend the quad on the bed

[tidal bronze]

Come on now. Really? In that POS?

[forest edge]

But it's your favorite...

You kept telling us how much you admired your neighbor that got one

[minor bobcat]

So stronk

[tidal bronze]

Wish they moved out. Ruined the entire view with that.

[robust flicker]

Oh, are we showing garbage mods? Here's my first case mod.

Just a bit of southern engineering, NBD. 🤣

[minor bobcat]

On par with the cybertruck

[robust flicker]

Hey now, my body work was good, unlike Tesla...

[tidal bronze]

Awesome edges! Wanna do R&D for Tesla?

[north smelt]

A little work and you could make it look like HAL from 2001 a space odicy

[robust flicker]

I haven't had that machine since like 2006. 🤣

[north smelt]

Ah ! Missed opportunity!

[minor bobcat]

What did you use to cut it? A butter knife?

[robust flicker]

It was a Phenom II.. when that was top of the line. Lmao

[tidal bronze]

Whenever in doubt there's epoxy.

[north smelt]

Looks like metal cutting shears?

[robust flicker]

Tin snips. 🤣

[north smelt]

I was close n

!*

[robust flicker]

Yup

[minor bobcat]

Mate karate chopped his case to fit his cpu cooler

[tidal bronze]

GPT ane Gemini needs to learn a little more about music assistant 🙄

[robust flicker]

yup. And I was pissed while doing it, because I measured before ordering it.. but I forgot the standoff distance of the motherboard. 🤣

Wife was like "so what now?" And I took that as a challenge. 🤣🤣

[minor bobcat]

Classic, like buying a GPU and then cutting the drive cages to fit

[tidal bronze]

That's a common theme at my place too.

[north smelt]

wips our snipper ill Tell you what now!

[robust flicker]

Yep. "better not use my good kitchen shears or I'll cut you with them."

"Yes dear"

[minor bobcat]

Sounds accurate

[tidal bronze]

I don't think my wife knows what that is 🙂

[robust flicker]

Oh you poor dear.

I've put on 40-50 pounds since marrying this woman, and it's all her fault. If she couldn't cook as good as she could I wouldn't be so fat! 🤣

[tidal bronze]

My wife says the same the thing about me.

[robust flicker]

Well, I gotta run for a bit. Later

[tidal bronze]

Make sure you don't touch those shears!

[forest edge]

breaker panel outside.. https://youtube.com/shorts/oW7We3NfDIc?si=eyLO2mx7aQyFLGML

I hope we never switch to plastic boxes

[dawn badge]

an outside enclosure that can be set up in a varity of ways is pretty common. its never likely to be set up as a main residential panel though

[high remnant]

sharing is caring

[forest edge]

but plastic outside? that dosen't even make sense

[stuck anchor]

manly scissors... i use these for everything. even sewing.

Amazon.com: Fiskars Cuts+More 5-in-1 Multi-Purpose Scissors https://share.google/AYOTChDUDob2cyLYg

[high remnant]

tbh this is also a sign of (undiagnosed) ADHD

[dawn badge]

why not? as long as its rated for the use case

[high remnant]

good on you. i did too and i have medication and its GOOOOOD

sill want momster

[forest edge]

no plastic is uv proof

[high remnant]

(like the getting sleepy part of caffeine is FOR SURE an symptom$

same

i am amazed i havent crashed out

i am currently oh 70mg so

[dawn badge]

well "proof" is a strong word. but its resistant enough for the use case and expected life span

[stuck anchor]

i read that becoming sleepy from coffee isn't uncommon for those who are not used to drinking it

[forest edge]

wtf is the expected lifespan?

it should be "forever"

[high remnant]

that might also he true

[high remnant]

i was at a point i was chugging 5 redbull
and 10 coffees

[dawn badge]

usually about 15-25 years for most electrical work. as long as its properly installed

[forest edge]

think about that.. you want to replace your entire panel every 25 years? lol

and worse at 15

[high remnant]

you almost piss monster lol

[forest edge]

hell the breakers and wire in the panel lasts longer than the panel lol

[high remnant]

my caffeine intake correlates with a decrease in actual output

if i am all amper up ill get dick done

[dawn badge]

historically in the uk. theres not alot of wiring that makes it past the 30 year mark before needing to be updated for one reason or another. although i think that will probably go up soon. and yes there are cases of old stuff lasting a lot longer but you would likely need to have it updated if you wanted to sell

[forest edge]

well that is kind of scary lol

[high remnant]

any german car

[dawn badge]

not overally. its not that stuff gets dangerous (although obviously some stuff does) but its just updates in regulations and wanting to expand and use new stuff etc...

[high remnant]

mine didnt even get past 30 days

[forest edge]

well that can't be right. you are saying every 30 years you all have someone rip out all of the wiring in your homes?

that would be expensive

[dawn badge]

historically its been about that but i suspect it will be increasing now.
although if you want to add new stuff solar/battery/ev/heatpump stuff then you might have to replace much of it

[forest edge]

that would not fly here

[dawn badge]

one of those things. if you want x you need wiring to be y which requires the panel to have z
you might have to update stuff

[forest edge]

there are still homes down south with working knob and tube put in in the 40's lol

[stuck mortar]

I had the last of my house’s knob and tube ripped out when I moved in

[dawn badge]

for sure, uk still has some really old wiring in some places thats grandfathered in but means that they can have certain modern stuff and also might cause insurence issues etc...

[forest edge]

well i think you all should boycot plastic electrical panels none the less

plastic outlet boxes etc is fine but not panels.. especially exposed panels

wouldn't be as bad if they weren't exposed like the one in that vid

[dawn badge]

that one you linked is not really a residential thing.
pretty much all residential panels are metal now.

technically i think you can use "non-combustible plastic" but its easier to just use metal

[forest edge]

no I don't think they are. it might be in some counties but there was a documentary on those where one town did not have that requirement

conductive isn't the issue.. melting, burn through

metal dosen't burn through. unless you stuck a fork in where the breaker was

as in it help keep your house from burning down

yea about that

good luck actually getting back what you lose..

again

look at market costs for what etc

good luck getting back what you lose

it may resemble like the old one.. but it won't be lol

just saw a video of some type of limber they were using in framing where the dude crumpled the 2x4 as if it was cardboard lol

[dawn badge]

we gotta get the 2nd little pig to come explain stuff again?

[forest edge]

its legitimately scary how they build houses now

[dawn badge]

uk building regs are pretty strict. some stuff might be wrong/bad looking/etc... but its very rarely dangerous these days

[forest edge]

because we allow down to the city level to make their own regulations and laws there is no strictness to ensure that quality of materials nor quality of work is held to an acceptable standard

like treated lumber.. we can't even get access to some types of treated lumber where I live and there is an actual difference

injected vs submerged

[dawn badge]

<@&330946878646517761>

[weak musk]

<@&330946878646517761>

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[keen bridge]

Awww, I was too slow

[lone dagger]

[scenic radish]

I can post some spam if you want

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/spam-spam-lite-food-spinning-gif-17955332

[north smelt]

Anyone stil up?

(it's nearly 2 a.m. at my location)

[dawn badge]

the internet never sleeps!

[thick dragon]

Boooo! One of my IKEA Zigbee power monitoring plugs just stopped working. Had a load of washing on @ 10a and looks like it's shorted after about 30 minutes. Only like 3 months old.

[dawn badge]

is it just a monitor plug or does it have a relay?

[thick dragon]

Has a relay, but relay is never used. You can't generally find plugs that don't have a relay.

[dawn badge]

inductive loads through relays cause problems.

there are monitoring only setups but your right. they are not super common

[thick dragon]

Might be time I taught myself how to make an ESPHome CT clamp. Got plenty of ESP dev boards lying around.

[dawn badge]

athom make power monitoring only plugs running esphome if you want something out the box which is wifi

[thick dragon]

Yeah, that was gonna be my other option. I just liked the idea of reinforcing my Zigbee network with the Zigbee plugs.

[dawn badge]

if your willing to wire in line i think shelly have a monitor only in gen4 range (zigbee supporting) now

[dawn badge]

https://www.shelly.com/products/shelly-em-mini-gen4

[thick dragon]

Yeah nah. Need an electrician for that here. CT clamp or inline socket only. Thanks though.

[dawn badge]

i have gen3 versions of those wired inline on appliances but I am able to do it myself

[thick dragon]

Have considered getting my sparky license many times so that I can do my own work, but lot of effort/commitment 😛

[dawn badge]

where are you in the world?

[thick dragon]

Australia

[dawn badge]

ah, I don't know much about regs there. i am in the UK, thought we were the only ones to use "sparky" judging by the chaos i get when i use it around here 😛

the athom plug is probably a decent option. i think they are one of the few to make AU plug stuff too.

although its only a 10a rating so if you have a 10a appliance it might be pushing it

[thick dragon]

I actually talked with an Athom rep a while ago, they are technically capable of 15A, but only rated to 10A apparently.

[robust flicker]

We call electricians sparkies too in the US, at least my area...

[thick dragon]

However, I have already had the Athom plugs before with the relay and they all died within 2 years.

[dawn badge]

to be fair, its usually the relay that goes on smartplugs

[dawn badge]

maybe it was just the mainland europe crowd that was confused then

[robust flicker]

Possibly, even likely, due to translation weirdness lol.

[north smelt]

In keep forgetting People work,

Ive been retired due to medical reasons for some years now & the wife world from home

I mis my old job though

[thick dragon]

I want to semi-retire early. Too many projects, not enough time. Do some contracting/part time work and just work on projects until I become senile.

[hollow panther]

If you're looking for an easier approach to the same result the Emporia Vue2 is esp based and can be flashed with esphome

[hollow panther]

I also like this one: https://circuitsetup.us/product/expandable-6-channel-esp32-energy-meter/?v=0b3b97fa6688

[thick dragon]

Thanks, but as I just said I'm a) in Australia (where Emporia is not available and you need an electrician to install anyway) and b) need a single device monitor rather than a centralised monitor. Easiest option is definitely relay-less Athom plugs, but doesn't look difficult to just use the CT sensor component of ESPHome either.

[dawn badge]

remember that a CT has to go around a single wire (usually live) of the AC power. not over the entire device cable so you have to get to a point where they are separated. e.g. in the wall or in the device

[thick dragon]

Oh really, I did not realise that. Well that kills that idea then. Guess my only option is Athom relay-less plug.

[forest edge]

relay less sounds like a waste of money

[dawn badge]

never tried it but i imagine if you put it over both legs of AC then it will probably read 0 as the fields will cancel out

[dawn badge]

can see plenty of reasons for it to be used:
less to go wrong.
cant accidently switch something off you only want to monitor.
can measure higher inductive loads.

[forest edge]

according to the athom site it still limited to the same 10amp max

cost + lack of the relay part + same limitations.. just sounded like a waste of money to me

I get the reasons for it

but dosen't make it sound any better

almost be more worthwhile to get something like what tedski linked above and just ct the individual breakers

cause ct clamps have the higher rating

[dawn badge]

10amp "rating" might be the same. but if its an inductive load a relay will cause problems long before that

[thick dragon]

Except circuits aren't individually wired and I want to monitor devices, not circuits.

[forest edge]

well thats still doable with a little math

[thick dragon]

How?

[dawn badge]

if you can monitor the other stuff i guess...

[forest edge]

what exactly are you trying to monitor? i didn't catch that part

[thick dragon]

Washing machine. 10A inductive draw.

[forest edge]

so why go with anthom with a lower amperage rating? why not some other brand that goes up to like 16 or more? that way the relay wouldn't trip?

[thick dragon]

Because they don't exist? Again... AU.

[forest edge]

and if it's a washing machine, you can pop the cover and get access to the individual power lines for use with a ct clamp easy as pie

[thick dragon]

Yet again, no I can't. Not legally.

[forest edge]

you can't get a shelly in au?

[thick dragon]

Not without an electrician to install it.

[forest edge]

they make plugs

[thick dragon]

Nah, no plugs for AU from them that I've ever seen, just in-walls.

[forest edge]

cal never made au sound like it was so restrictive

also the "not legal" part how would they ever know if you did it yourself?

[thick dragon]

Insurance is pretty intense here. If anything happened, investigation would find it and you'd have to produce an invoice.

[forest edge]

well 10amp restriction is stupid for a relay or power monitoring device

I guess realistically your washing machine shouldn't even come close to that even if its rated for it but still

[thick dragon]

I agree. The Athom rep I talked to said that their stuff is technically capable of 16A, but they only get it rated to 10A.

[thick dragon]

It definitely does. 240v 10A sockets. Frequently see 2.3-2.4kW while it's heating water.

[forest edge]

you put a kill a watt meter on it?

or something similiar

weird it would tap out the rating of your actual socket

[thick dragon]

Circuits here are generally rated to 20-30A because our voltage is pretty variable (230-250).

Which is why it's frustrating that smart sockets are generally 10A. But probably also why they are supposedly meant to handle up to 15A.

[dawn badge]

i imagine the peak consumption during heating stage is actually resistive load
as the heading element is resistive. but the motor that make it go spinny is the inductive load part which will be less

make friends with a sparky. its such a tiny job they might do it for beer 🙂

[forest edge]

well if the anthom sockets can supposedly handle up to 15amp why go for the relay less one??

[thick dragon]

#the-water-cooler message

If it was the relay that died, one less component that could cause an issue.

[forest edge]

i wonder if thats the brand

[dawn badge]

they can probably only handle like 2a inductive which may be the issue

[thick dragon]

I'll reach out to them and ask.

[forest edge]

at this point I would just get your electrician cert on the side and just put the good stuff in lol

[thick dragon]

Heh, has been a dream for years.

[dawn badge]

i considered getting some quals in uk so i can do more stuff. but its such a pain. you basically get stuck super early unless your actually working as a sparky...

I have seen stuff on people trying to do it. they end up having to start a company and "do work" for friends/family.

I get that classroom is not the reality of real situations but its really painful if your just looking to do stuff for yourself safely and not work in the industry

[thick dragon]

Oh fuck that. Would need to do a full 4-year apprenticeship to get licensed. Can't just learn it. So dumb.

[forest edge]

is this your socket? https://www.amazon.com.au/Shelly-110-230-Digital-Electronic-Compatible/dp/B0835YG5HK

so many damn plus i can't remmeber what the au one looked like lol

[dawn badge]

yup, looks like your about the same as here

[thick dragon]

Nah, think that's UK. Ours is like China's

[static schooner]

Sheesh, all I need is a screwdriver and some pliers 🙂

[dawn badge]

nah that plus is one of the eu ones

[forest edge]

technically it's not insurance covered for us to install stuff behind the sockets etc as well in accordance to most insurances

but we do it anyways

[static schooner]

what you can't see can't hurt you

I don't make the rules, but I enjoy following them

[dawn badge]

its fairly relaxed here for stuff like switches/sockets. i know what i can do and i probably push the line on it a little to be fair

[forest edge]

I need to look up my local code. not sure I can leave the shelly units behind the switches when I go and sell the house

[static schooner]

I haven't actually put anything behind switches or outlets, just swapped them out for smart versions

[forest edge]

oh

well those are acceptable

even by insurance. it's the stuff that goes behind is the question

[static schooner]

I just plan to leave them if I ever move out. All the three-way switches are done through binding, so will work without any smarthome system

[dawn badge]

i would pull them personally. but yeah if they are set up in a way where they work without a system powering them theen leaving them is probably fine.

may depend on person doing electrical inspection though (if thats part of the sale process)

[static schooner]

it's just the hassle of removing lik 60+ switches when there may be something better when I do, or if I move somewhere that I don't own

I've never seen an inspector poke around behind switch plates, just maybe make sure that the circuits work

the fact that the switches have a blue glowing strip may spark curiosity, but I doubt it's enough to investigate further

[dawn badge]

in UK an "EICR" includes checking behind stuff (not necessarily everything but some)

[forest edge]

the concern is the year or so the new buyer gets to make disputes

if anything happens then it can still come back on you

[static schooner]

I've never seen that as part of any sales contract

[dawn badge]

not saying everyone does an EICR correctly mind... if you get one by someone that does it cheaply they will cut corners

[forest edge]

its there

every state has it

[static schooner]

they can contest if you didn't disclose something

"due diligence" is your responsibilty as a buyer

I'm in the process of selling my mom's house and it's definitely "as-is", as mentioned in the contract

[forest edge]

as-is is a little diffrent

but I think there is still some fine print

but like you said, disclosing stuff is a necessity

in my case with stuff behidn the switches. i may forget something lol

[dawn badge]

here: EICR is recommended every 10 years (and required every 5 if your a landlord renting)
if you tried to sell a house that doesnt have an eicr cert or one thats super old then most people wouldnt touch it
unless your selling it as "probably needs rewire" which obviously impacts price

[forest edge]

lol so every 15 years you get tagged with a "probably need rewire"? lol

[static schooner]

I've also never sold a house where I did as much electrical stuff, either. I did remove the few X10 switches that I installed in a house about 20 years ago and they're now sitting in my garage collecting dust 🙂

I need to sell a "big box of X10 crap" on eBay some day

[dawn badge]

nah, eicr will just highlight any issues that need fixing. unless you have messed with stuff a lot then its unlikely to be major issues

a "failed" eicr is still an eicr.
selling a house with electical is mostly fine but this circuit is fucked and switched off until you decide to fix it. is normal

[forest edge]

wasn't there someone in here that had like an old tech museum? I remember them hooking up HA to like an old computer monitor or something. should find them and donate it to that

[dawn badge]

in rare cases a sparky can condem and raise the alarm if something is super dangerous but its gotta be pretty bad for that to happen

[forest edge]

or they used HA to to run the boot ups of multiple old computers and do like an auto presnetation. that was it

[static schooner]

Yeah, but I think it was more computer stuff. But I'd be happy to have somebody just take it of my hands

[last cedar]

I could help, but I don't see the word trash anywhere in "big box of x10 crap"

[static schooner]

You could definitely hide in there or build some raccoon nest out of it

There may already be a raccoon nest in there for all I know

They've probably built their own smart nest

[dawn badge]

do racoons have "nests"? is that the correct term? or are you just using it in a general way?

[static schooner]

🤷

[forest edge]

i think nest is accurate

[static schooner]

How Raccoons Make Their Nest
As mentioned above, raccoons don’t make their own nests. Instead, they take over one that may have belonged to another animal or a particular place that they will be hidden.

[forest edge]

they will build like a ring of stuff in an open area to sleep in

[static schooner]

I guess they'll steal anything

[forest edge]

and chew on almost anything

[dawn badge]

den feels more right. but maybe thats specific to raising young

[static schooner]

Abandoned Burrows
Raccoons are the type of creatures that don’t want to work for anything.

Sounds about right

[glacial knot]

@last cedar did you just move into an abandoned house?

[dawn badge]

we don't really have any in the uk. some zoo's have them and some have escaped over the years and are about the place but they are not established

[forest edge]

why they scour the ground infront of my barn that has the outside light looking for bugs that had kamikaze themselves to falling on the ground

[last cedar]

4D chess my friend, 4D chess!

[last cedar]

That is how Germany got its population, it only takes a couple of escaped horny raccoons and you have 20 million in a short time

[forest edge]

cept in sweden

[last cedar]

It would be sweet, but also devastate a lot of eco systems, so overall, not good at all

[last cedar]

Exactly haha

[dawn badge]

we have quite a lot of foxes mind so i imagine that would help against establishment

[forest edge]

would have to be a pretty decent sized fox for an adult racoon

[dawn badge]

article is old but fun - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34618294

The raccoon was apparently also spotted taking The Tube on Saturday night.

In the picture captured near Oxford Street, the pet appears to be dressed in a jacket to protect it from the cold.

your not supposed to have them as pets but i guess people find/trap escaped ones and keep them or something

maybe just @last cedar on a city break to London 🙂

[last cedar]

Maybe this is a sign I need to move back to England 🤣

[forest edge]

don't want to move here? https://youtube.com/shorts/cVfCRP7-I2I?si=9h-kdZrTdFEJfGL-

[dawn badge]

lol, was that sponsored by the Swiss tourist board or something 😛

not that its not a nice place but thats a very cherry picked view i think

[static schooner]

I think it's also one of the most expensive places to live

[last cedar]

I have it pretty good in Sweden tbh

Long term I could absolutely see myself traveling and working remotely if that is still a thing in the future, companies seem to be clamping down on freedom.

I have some stuff going on for the future, and don't expect to have to work until I am 90 to be able to retire, anyway

@clear ferry you will be hosting protons new Norway infastructure from your basement right?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/emma-watson-ummm-umm-okayyy-yeah-okay-gif-15191992001452551603

[minor bobcat]

That's saying it all! It's true!

[reef cradle]

Proton moving servers, god damn

[last cedar]

Yeah, to atxs basement no less!

[glacial knot]

Huh. Moving out of Switzerland into Germany o.0 weird choice

[minor bobcat]

They do that because Switzerland is starting to have some questionable privacy proposals

And they get a foot into EU

[last cedar]

I would like to discuss and add to that but it could get very political etc, so I will refrain!

[primal laurel]

Use code speech

Germany = racooons

[reef cradle]

So electron is entering the racooons to get a treat from the raccoon hive. Because the atom it was attached to before is thinking about collapsing the electrons superposition???

[primal laurel]

Wow what a disgrace

I think

[reef cradle]

Honestly, No clue

[minor bobcat]

It's Einsteins fault

[reef cradle]

Isn't that more like Kimball or who ever the other dude was?

[high remnant]

where'd you get that from?

[glacial knot]

The screenshot

[high remnant]

oh lol

thats crazy

[robust flicker]

So my nephew wasn't able to print it, but a co-workers teen daughter prints things for spending cash, so I gave him $5 and she printed this for me. Probably $2 worth of filament, lol. It's to mount a 40mm fan to my HBA.

[forest edge]

@clear ferry welcome to our world. https://youtu.be/sN4dGCjg-Y8?si=cFLgbVHapr3_Htkt

[last cedar]

We need pics when you get it mounted!

[split dune]

Hi, I have a HA Discord question. Where do questions / suggestions about the documentation belong? In #1284966540617449515 ?

[static schooner]

There are buttons at the bottom of each page for suggestions or to proper changes

But if your question is about the thing the docs are describing, go to the channel for that thing

[split dune]

Thanks - I attempted the latter. Appreciate the response.

[fading pivot]

HEYA

oops caps

heya

fr

I got bored and rooted a echo dot 2nd gen

and broke oobed lol so no oobe for me

[next ferry]

so what running locally means that if my wifi/internet goes down, all my smart switches, thermostats, and lights will still work with voice assistant and manually?

[fading pivot]

I think so

[last cedar]

Depends how your stuff in your house communicates. If they all use wifi then you will lose functionality without wifi.

Locally means in 99% of cases not using a cloud based integration or api, which means if your internet goes down, you will lose that.

However, lots of smart switches and such do have manual control, even if the wifi goes down.

[fading pivot]

this is a better answer

[last cedar]

Also applies to zigbee, zwave, thread, matter etc

[fading pivot]

also i hope my light will work without wifi lol

[next ferry]

oh okay, so ill just lose control of controlling it through voice assistants and such. but i can still control manually

[last cedar]

Many lights you can program a power on behaviour, so you can turn the switch off, and back on and the light will illuminate and become a dumb light, at that point

Same with smart relays, and switches etc

[last cedar]

In many cases yes, if done right

[fading pivot]

i cant afford screws to put my home assistant rpi 3b+ on the wall so i use pushpins lol

[silent dove]

@fading pivot I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[last cedar]

I think losing your internet/ wifi is the least of your problems!

[fading pivot]

fr

[fading pivot]

WHAT IS "reset_philips_hue"????

[last cedar]

Make sure you have a backup of your config, sd cards are notoriously unreliable and you don't want to lose everything if it fails

[fading pivot]

i have the google drive thing set up.
and i usually make short lived projects anyways that die in about 1~2 weeks lol

[last cedar]

I don't actually run any hue stuff, but someone in #1284966582375813201 or #1284966353798697001 may be able to help with that

[next ferry]

im planning on starting a smart home, planning on buying a raspberry pi

[fading pivot]

this is just lying on a echo dot (gen 2)

i pressed 1 and it started scanning and a cool pattern showed on the echo dot

[silent dove]

@fading pivot I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[last cedar]

If you can, I would try and grab something like an optiplex micro, such as a 7050 or such and run on that, far more reliable hardware

They can be found used for reasonable money in many cases

Raspberry pis are brilliant, but so many have had issues with sd cards etc, and it is not fun when you have your whole smarthome broken and then have to grab a new box

Even one of the proper HA boxes would be a big improvement

[next ferry]

oh yeah im not going to use a sd card

im planning on buying an ssd

and connect it via usb

[last cedar]

That changes things a bit

[fading pivot]

I think you still need a sd card to get it to boot from usb

[next ferry]

ive read on how the sd card fails a lot

[next ferry]

thats fine, after install ill just use the ssd

[fading pivot]

though that might of changed because my newest pi is a pi 3b+

[fading pivot]

there is a image that has the purpose of booting from usb.

for some reason lol

[next ferry]

great i guess

i have no idea because i havent used a pi before

so im learning from scratch

[fading pivot]

If you don't have a sd card it will just do nothing (on the pi 3b+ at least, i think they changed it in like the pi 4/5)

?

[elder ivy]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[static schooner]

Which one was Hulk?

Or maybe he was all of them?

[forest edge]

what? hogan didn't play any of the hulks

[static schooner]

I'm joking that OHF needs to backfill Hulk Hogan now that he's gone to the great wrestling arena in the sky

Hulk dies, suddenly there are four openings at OHF. Coincidence? I think not

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-heres-the-deal-tin-foil-gif-12879246013854436579

[forest edge]

oh i see

[scenic radish]

that's a hell of a conspiracy, brother

[static schooner]

He needed money after his heyday in the 80s

[scenic radish]

Rule of threes... First Ozzy, now Hulk...who will be the third?

[forest edge]

someone in there 40's me thinks

[static schooner]

Phew! Not me

Poor Missy

Watch out for falling anvils

[forest edge]

faulty tuya products

[lone dagger]

You can't get rid of me that easy.

[static schooner]

This is funnier. Touché!

[next ferry]

anyone know what is a good price for an rpi 4?

[scenic radish]

Tuche

[primal laurel]

#1284960456880029707

[scenic radish]

Fuckin gottem

[lone dagger]

This is official™, that's why it's in a special #announcements channel. 😛

[lone dagger]

Not me.

https://tenor.com/view/black-pants-bree-i-do-what-i-want-parks-and-rec-i-have-a-permit-gif-8794341

[forest edge]

welp off to try one of these new fancy car washes for the Edge before I put it back into storage. sure i'll be disappointed

[fading pivot]

why use a mario kart blue shell when you have adb shell?

this is a awful joke

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/damin-toell-get-out-gif-2960077830144535500

[glacial knot]

75 percentile, huh

[fading pivot]

real

[forest edge]

Sprung for the inside cleaning. These kids look depressed

Wonder what the turn over rate for these people who do the I side cleaning is

[forest edge]

charlies

it was alright. the wash part was a little more than it's worth but the interior clean for 25 was worth 25 lol

should take my truck there to really make those kids work for it lol

[static schooner]

The last time I paid for a hand car wash I ended up grabbing their towels and such and finishing the job myself.

[forest edge]

well the wash part was automated

[static schooner]

Nobody else is going to give a crap about your car as much as you do

[forest edge]

thats always the case

closest you can get is a private detailer

cause thier rep is what keeps them employed

[next ferry]

what is a good price in usd for a rpi4?

[next ferry]

where did you get an rpi4 for 3$?

[scenic radish]

A good price is buy something else

Jk, where are you located?

[honest moat]

I bought a Pi5 the other day from Radioshack. Did a double take when it was like $100

expected em to be like 40 or 50

for $100 i can go hit up tams or something and get a used thin workstation

but the RPi was really the best form factor for what I wanted (printserver for a bunch of label and receipt printers wife uses for her ecom business)

[next ferry]

theres a kit on ebay for $70 for a rpi4 4gb ram with a case and everything

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284456092799

[honest moat]

no kidding, cambridge is out of their mind charging $100 for these things

considering an ESP32 is absolutely eating their low-end

love me some seeed xiaos

[scenic radish]

you could get a more powerful mini PC for not much more

[honest moat]

yeah, or just buy a HA Green if you want a small device that does it

[arctic quarry]

so I have to ask, is there any callback when the position gets filled? I applied for the previous ones, would be nice to know if you're still looking.

[weak musk]

Maybe you should figure that out first. Start with defining your problem. Then figure out how to solve for it.

Solving first then defining is what we call “pulling a Missy”

https://tenor.com/view/period-gif-17597590561327169734

[primal laurel]

I create problems then I solve them.

[lone dagger]

Kind of? I am not told directly when a position has been filled (unless it's for my team) so I have to watch for when they are either gone from our jobs page or announced as hired. I try to edit them on Reddit, but not really here since most people don't go back to the announcement channel.

[weak musk]

The response I got before was “we’re saying no so hard that all future US hiring is suspended” 🫣

-# this is 50% a joke

[arctic quarry]

right, so if I hear nothing (as in, no e-mail beyond the initial autoreply) the position might not be filled yet?

[lone dagger]

I would like 3 examples of me doing this.

[weak musk]

Tuya. Weather station. Discord.

[lone dagger]

Ah! I don't know how HR does that process, unfortunately.

[lone dagger]

wait wait wait how did I do Discord like this

[weak musk]

YOU KNOW

https://tenor.com/view/bearded-dragon-googly-eyes-gif-6523742490147640179

[lone dagger]

no I don't I'm too autistic to read subtext Ender

[weak musk]

You’re doing great.

[lone dagger]

lmfao actually snorted

[arctic quarry]

gotcha. cheers!

[static schooner]

Missy is safe. Here's the third: https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/culture/story/chuck-mangione-feels-good-musician-bandleader-dead-84-124040942

I confess that I only know him from King of the Hill

[scenic radish]

jesus

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/chuck-mangione-king-of-the-hill-feels-so-good-flugelhorn-gif-18244822

[honest moat]

man, i was listening to Children of Sanchez yesterday

would be nice if they do a tribute to him in the next olympics, since he wrote the theme for the 1980s winter olympics

[scenic radish]

can we all please agree to launch "it's nice to e-meet you" into space and leave it there forever?

[static schooner]

I can't say that I've ever heard that from somebody, and humanity is probably better off

[scenic radish]

i see it all the time

you haven't "e-met" shit

[static schooner]

too cute by half, as they say

[scenic radish]

heh

[lone dagger]

nice to e-meet you!!

[scenic radish]

Nice to e-block you!

jk I would never

[forest edge]

and that was the last we ever heard from tediore

[dawn marlin]

Gone reduced to atoms

[forest edge]

so ready for this heat wave to end

[scenic radish]

[dawn marlin]

I feel that, I’ve been cooling for like 13 hours a day on average

[scenic radish]

Surprisingly not as much as I thought

|| inb4 "hehe duty" ||

It was 32 C / 90 F outside yesterday

Not even as bad as it gets here lol

[dawn marlin]

Ooooh how are you pulling the dirt cycle

Duty*

I’m worried something’s still not quite right with my system

My humidity is staying high despite it running quite a bit

There’s a lot of condensation draining out via the drip pan, but we recently had our expansion valve replaced because the old has went bad

[scenic radish]

history stats with the type set to ratio

[dawn marlin]

And it seems there’s a bit less condensation than before

[dawn marlin]

Would you mind sharing that part of your yaml? Im still fairly new some of the yaml for HA

[forest edge]

central ac units will spit out more condensation if the temps drastically change too much over a 24 hour period

[dawn marlin]

I feel like I probably have more an insulation and weather sealing problem than an AC problem

It there’s only so much you can do in a mobile home

I’m around 67% humidity at the air return and 73% at the extremities of the place

[forest edge]

yea 67 is too high

[red rock]

hello

[scenic radish]

@dawn marlin https://github.com/Tediore/My-HASS-config/blob/master/conf_packages/thermostat/stats.yaml

[red rock]

wdyt of the blog

[forest edge]

wtf, you MIB or something?

[scenic radish]

super old photo that i thought was funny lol

[dawn marlin]

Thank you so much!

[red rock]

understandable

You're doing a lot of typing

I was like, oh I will wait for his message and then get tea

[hollow panther]

There's a lot of shit to talk

[red rock]

but I think I am just going to get tea first

[scenic radish]

[red rock]

I mean, the looks also is no 5

like yes, functionality over looks

but if possible, I just want my grandma to come in and don't notice the things I built

last week I just discovered the thing like

I am good in placing things

but I need to be better into combining them

making it a whole instead of individual parts

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-elf-buddy-the-elf-throne-of-lies-christmas-gif-1174038786188830953

you bought a jeep. you were born this way

[primal laurel]

my smart home should manage energy. We could do way more than just a dashboard

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/H0XYANRosVo?si=49L2ZLzK12KGPmti

that is insane

[dawn marlin]

I think my desire to automate things into a smart house came from the movie bearing the same name

Which is kinda funny

Considering a big message in the movie was do not do this

I wanna house just like me

[forest edge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/3idIb2gviAY?si=lkKgQqeB-6LOFYkX

those spot lights are weird

[south dawn]

not sure if i'm right here, I just have a quick question to grasp the scale of the problem.
do light's by default do not have a restore state?
I'm setting up knx, and there the light's do not have the include. and I had a quick search and there are less hit's that I would expect...

[static schooner]

That's a question for #1284966582375813201

[south dawn]

thanks @static schooner is that a forum now? I don't see the use of discord as proprietary forum, I will use the official forum or github.

[static schooner]

ok

[south dawn]

thank you very much for being around, and responding. I think i recognize your name form past visits.

@warm helm that's why I say thanks 🙂 I assume by default that it is not a paid position, so that is the least that i could do.

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge 😅

[split grail]

huh. homeassistant has a LOT of queries every hour. never seen that before

[forest edge]

like how she concerningly said, "I don't think that will get that bad" lol

your paradise is crumbling man. time to move

[tidal bronze]

Forget that. Love the honorable mention of your state. 🤣 I am dying here!

[forest edge]

thats ok, we both know who gets the last laugh

[static schooner]

Put on a coat and see how low you can go

https://tenor.com/view/limbo-futurama-hermes-hermes-conrad-champion-gif-15560388913397943470

[forest edge]

that system is stupid

leviton

yes no local api. you are better off clamping each line

[ocean oar]

The worst? Iunno, ask Missy

How much does ye olde off-brand zigbee relay cost anyway?

Well in that case if you need multiple, you could just look at these: https://us.shelly.com/products/shelly-pro-3
$61.59 for 3 channels (that's only $20.53 each!), and it has wired Ethernet if signal is a problem

[stuck mortar]

Don’t be silly, you’re supposed to spend a bunch of time and money tracking everything so that you can “get around to” optimizing consumption and save less than you spent

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze well it looks like you actually got at least "someone" wanting to stay in California lmao

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/freezing-cold-freezing-my-tits-off-super-cold-snow-day-gif-15562828

[last cedar]

Exactly, only had my emporia vue 3 sitting for a couple months so far, uninstalled 🤣

[shell topaz]

i have created a discord server for Australian smart home where can i put it?

[forest edge]

#1284960456880029707

[primal laurel]

discord invites might be blocked

[last cedar]

Almost!

[tacit idol]

Wow do I really need to create a YAML file just to turn on a device at a certain time? FFS

[last cedar]

#1284980040940912641 !

[tacit idol]

There are only like four actions. Three of them have to do with "auto-off enabled" which I'm sure is useful to someone, but how about just simply "turn on device"?

[forest edge]

don't use device, use switch

[last cedar]

Are you more of a switch or a device?

[scenic radish]

#1284980040940912641

[forest edge]

about to be filament rich

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-cute-gif-22121346

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-joe-swanson-lawn-mowing-mowing-the-lawn-gif-7014953285062298908

[tacit idol]

Aright I'll complain over there

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-reynolds-goddammit-damn-hitmans-bodyguard-hitmans-bodyguard-gifs-gif-8352668

[forest edge]

wonder if my shelly post inspired anyone to fill out the feature request.

[forest edge]

lol WEXIT.. look what you euro's done

[static schooner]

You're solving global warming!

[primal laurel]

what?

[arctic quarry]

it's is like if California, Washington, Oregon and Alberta looked at Sweden and said "hey nicely shaped country"

[primal laurel]

wqhat's the context?

[arctic quarry]

Wexit is some term for western Canadian territories (and sometimes western US states) wanting to secede and form a country of their own. so yeah, one of those.

[forest edge]

Does your bathroom have an AC vent?

[robust flicker]

cries in 90% humidity

[high remnant]

who's been stealing my internet

:(

https://tenor.com/wR6F.gif

I think something is absolutely railing my network

[forest edge]

China

[high remnant]

hmm

It appears to be Immich on my iPhone that's railing the network lol

https://tenor.com/ul7N.gif

ye

I'll increase the storage volume when I need to

[scenic radish]

Your decimal points are leaking

[forest edge]

All this rain got me thinking I may need an outside lux sensor for my porch lights

[high remnant]

same

[forest edge]

Those are battery tho right?

[scenic radish]

You're leaking too?

[high remnant]

yeah

I should go to an GP

[forest edge]

Oh yes the p1 is battery I have one of those. Rather something mains powered

Oh yes the p1 is battery I have one of those. Rather something mains powered

[scenic radish]

Oh yes the p1 is battery I have one of those. Rather something mains powered

[forest edge]

Hospital cell connection is less than ideal

That's weird. How accurate is that for cameras pointing down?

[high remnant]

bro fell off, only 2 views

[forest edge]

For bad weather

Technically I could monitor the transition to b/w on my reolink but cloud cover doesn't always trigger it

[robust flicker]

Dey terk ar webz!

[forest edge]

Why the heck does the patient area have to be so damn cold in a hospital. Waiting room was nice a warm

[weak musk]

how do we make this room colder (Damnit, you were right @static schooner )

[forest edge]

https://a.co/d/5kMbTio

[normal moon]

At least in America, until they figure out how to bill your insurance for heat, it’ll probably stay cold

[arctic quarry]

bro needs therapy, lots of it

[high remnant]

same

at least im currentlymedicated

[arctic quarry]

um

I would call them "victims" given how they're portrayed, dude clearly hates women

right, but he should stop though

like

some of his video titles / thumbnails are traumatizingly hostile

that's tragic, and shouldn't be exploited by hate baiters

pretty poor defense

if you're in debt and someone offers to "help," and then continues to make hate bait out of you, who's to blame?

btw this isn't a new thing for YT or anything, it's a staple of television going back decades

Rickci Lake, Jerry Springer, Dr Oz, Dr Phil (see the pattern) all made pretty sweet dough exploiting vulnerable people for shits and laughs

it's disgusting

ok let's agree to disagree

I'm not sure what you're saying 🙂

are you saying dr phil is a terrible human being?

because that's what I'm saying

ah

yeah that's probably fair

only one is exploiting the other tho

yeah I just don't agree with that particular take

he's the one doing bad things

they're being naive, or unresearched, or entitled or whatever doesn't detract from that

it just sounds like blaming the victim to my ears

maybe harsh but like

this is just bad and shouldn't exist

in fact, if they're that obviously not ready to deal with their shit, nobody should have them on

editorial standards ☝️ 😶

I think it's central to this conversation that we recognize that people can have serious problems with personal finance, mental health, drug use or whatever, and that it's on the rest of us not to turn them into a hatebait freak show.

plenty of reporting about various reality shows seem to indicate that, yes

it's absolute trash in terms of entertainment

degrees in hell, of course

it's not all identical

that's the part of the argument I don't get

what does it matter? HE is doing the exploiting. HE should stop.

you're taking agency away from someone who is entirely responsible for the thing happening

I honestly doubt they agreed to get exploited

I don't pretend to know what's in their thoughts, mind you

but it's hard to conceive them agreeing without there being an amount of coercion

maybe he pays them? I dunno

btw apparently he has a habit of asking girls to go on OnlyFans to fix their debt

again, this I strongly disagree with. it's victim blaming-y.

anyway, I hear what you're saying, I just have an adverse reaction to platforming this type of trash. appreciate the conversation.

[runic cape]

Found a little white puck with the Hue logo on it, thoughts? I'm not aware of any such Hue product

[robust flicker]

Probably a hue bridge. https://www.philips-hue.com/en-us/p/hue-bridge/046677458478

[runic cape]

no it's like 2 cm

no wires

[raw ermine]

Oh I think that might be a light switch of some sort? I vagely remember something like that

[scenic radish]

Is this like one of those text-based adventures?

https://www.philips-hue.com/en-us/p/smart-button-smart-button/046677605773

[raw ermine]

Yeah, I was thinking that or the tap

[robust flicker]

Motion sensor?

[robust flicker]

It is very dark. You are likely to be eaten by a Tuya smart switch.

[runic cape]

I think what I have is just the base plate

mystery solved

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-going-to-roleplay-roleplay-discord-discord-memes-cat-gif-21748711

[runic cape]

It's more like "who's that smart home accessory"

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anime-pikachu-whos-that-pokemon-gif-1594688352208299494

[high remnant]

is there a place where I can find good recommendations for Zigbee blinds that are not from Ikea?

[static schooner]

#1284966617670881350 -> Recommendations

[high remnant]

Aight thx

the ikea ones drive me to tears

[weak musk]

How did they work?

that's pretty sweet

[primal laurel]

There's a whole class of zigbee green power devices that can do that now, it requires efficient silicon

[weak musk]

That's super super cool

[primal laurel]

unfortunately ZHA doesn't support them, but Z2M does

[scenic radish]

z2m ftw 😎

[runic cape]

what's wrong with them

[runic cape]

Or someone willing to press a really hard button

or an easy one like 20 times

"Welcome to my home, here's the light winch, you spin it to turn the kitchen lights on or off"

[unborn merlin]

flexures exist to transform large easy movements into small powerful ones...

.. And other stuff too. 😄

or just ludicrously efficient chips; that too.

[high remnant]

its always one of them that drops from the network

[robust flicker]

Anyone want to buy a house? 😂

[high remnant]

in this economy?

[crisp oriole]

Finish you mayo is now the most disturbing sentence i heard all month. And i just wanted a mac kroket

[crisp oriole]

Is the 3rd dimention a monthly service agreement

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/mayo-crazy-gif-4209603020466233750

[high remnant]

best i can do is 2200 euros for an pre-war era 40m2 home

[crisp oriole]

Depends what war.

[forest edge]

are those like those homes you see in braveheart where it's just mud, stone and hay?

[high remnant]

making an assumption based on your name and the fact that you eat an McKroket.. THE. WAR

[crisp oriole]

O that war.
Its patat friet.
War won.

[high remnant]

is het een patatuur of een frituur?

[crisp oriole]

It is a frituur. And if you order friet you ask for something fryed. So it even could be a mac kroket.

Patat are slices potatto. So you can give them unfried if someone askes for patat

[red rock]

https://bit.ly/patatfriet

[forest edge]

so much for english

[high remnant]

i mean my partner is from Belgium so i am conflicted and confused about the terminology

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/gekoloniseerd-voc-nederland-kolonisatie-verenigde-oostindische-compagnie-gif-13241235

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/alcoholist-water-wil-je-me-vergiftigen-ofzo-wil-je-mij-vergiftigen-ofzo-alcoholic-gif-15239950

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/h-OhbNb0Z7Q?si=xqcJoMAfhHewvoLx

[ember crow]

fried? french fries

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXseyTdynCo

so cool. It's like a lego set

[static schooner]

Didn't Google try that like 10 years ago?

[forest edge]

been a couple of modular type phones over the years. none of them really took off

[primal laurel]

it's not a modular phone

[forest edge]

dunno that video uses the term "modular" quite a lot

[static schooner]

Oh, I misinterpreted the "lego set" comment. Looks like a design that went away many years ago for the major brands

exposed screws? simple, monolithic battery?

[primal laurel]

there are fully modular phones where you can replace one block with another. That's not what this is

its just a phone that uses no glue and so everything just clicks together or is held in by screws

[static schooner]

Big Glue comes for us all eventually

[primal laurel]

more like Big Solder

[forest edge]

kind of a niche product considering phone insurance and replacement is cheap and very good as is. For android anyways. This would be something else if it were an apple phone

oof just realized my pixel 3 battery is 7 years old lol

[primal laurel]

the whole idea is to not need replacement

or at least, much less of it

[forest edge]

it's kind of inescapable.

they even state on the video that they only provide up to 8 years of OS support

[primal laurel]

8 years is great

[forest edge]

my pixel is on 7..

[primal laurel]

the average is less than 2

[forest edge]

the other modular phone I was thinking about was that Linux OS one

i think that flopped tho

[primal laurel]

this is the 6th model they make, the first one that has little compromises compared to a 'regular' phoone

[unborn merlin]

yet it went 6/10

[primal laurel]

6/10?

[unborn merlin]

oh

misread that

oops. 🙃

[arctic quarry]

I mean, you would be excused for thinking that 10 years ago, but we’re not really in a position to pretend like resources are infinite. Designing repairable stuff is not just ethical, it’s smart.

watch the phone industry get dragged, kicking and screaming, into the future with ”sustainability awards” and ”green certificates”

and then act like they came up with it

[forest edge]

repairable isn't the issue. the processor, the screen and the cameras all just get outdated. parts are going to the wayside regardless.

if you are someone who drops your phone 20 times a day, than that is a good deal

otherwise it's pointless

[arctic quarry]

outdated because of feature creep usually

thank GOD your phone has to do AI now, huh

what other need could we possibly have to upgrade every 18 months

[forest edge]

why it's a niche product. many people answer YES to that question lol

even stefan said 2 years lol

[arctic quarry]

potato potato

[forest edge]

i'm making my phone stretch

but even at 7 years I can tell it's starting to die lol

[primal laurel]

Hardware wise I could probably do 10 years with the phone I have now if it wasn't for shit battery durability

[arctic quarry]

yeah

I haven't checked the stats but surely newer CPUs imply higher power consumption

anw, my point is just that designing sustainable products is hardly a waste of time

[primal laurel]

Not necessarily, transistors also become smaller

[arctic quarry]

and mo(o)re of them, surely?

anw

sure

was a minor point at best

what

that escalated quickly 🙂

[forest edge]

cell phone prior to "smart" phones lasted for over 10 years.. we are heading the wrong direction.

[primal laurel]

Yeah weird response

[forest edge]

careful

[arctic quarry]

ok now you got me all nostalgic for the 1-week standby time on my Nokia 1610

[primal laurel]

It's just old man screams at cloud

I don't think that's what teetow was saying

[forest edge]

not my fault logic eludes you guys lol

[arctic quarry]

I think you misread that, I meant "aren't new chips more power hungry" was a minor point, I was really talking about sustainable design. So the fact that new chips might not be more power-hungry wasn't particularly relevant

[primal laurel]

Serious question. What education do you have?

[forest edge]

my job is merely to "try". you actually learning anything is on you

[primal laurel]

Because it seems structural for you

like you are genuinely clueless about everything. It's kind of impressive

[forest edge]

here we go

[primal laurel]

answer the question

[raw tulip]

LANWAR in Louisville, KY! Started in 1998 and is the longest running in person LAN party in North America! They use Home Assistant to monitor the temperature, humidity, air quality and power consumption!

https://lanwar.com/

[arctic quarry]

again, that's not even close to what "a minor point at best" was referring to

it was referring to MY point about power consumption in the context of sustainable design

[primal laurel]

I dont think teetow says you're wrong

not what im reading

[arctic quarry]

I'm really not

anw

how about this weather huh