the-water-cooler

[glacial knot]

not sure if I just got the thingy rotated, or actually messed it up entirely though 😂
the cable in there is... questionable. but if the signal integrity is good enough for gbit, I'll leave it in instead of pulling a new one

[solar zealot]

Yep for cat7 and above you just push in the wire and it cuts into the isolation

[sharp dome]

What does response variable do in satelite question?

[solar zealot]

Look like that

Surprisingly they do 10gbit without any issues

Well, once the connection works properly

[unborn merlin]

ah that bullshit

those things that cost like what

10$/ea?

[solar zealot]

15ish

But yea

[unborn merlin]

yeah.

fuck that noise. 😛

when I cut my ceiling open a while back to snake some wires for my pc..

I put in a single cat6.. and a single LC duplex wire

so.. 10g on cat6 if I felt like it.. and 10g/whateverthefuckl over LC duplex if I ever feel like buying a better transceiver..

[solar zealot]

We had to poke the moisture barrier in the roof to make the wire appear in the right place so might as well do it right ;D

[clear ferry]

10g, what is this, ethernet for ants @unborn merlin

[unborn merlin]

we don't have a moisture barrier like that here.

too cheaply built and etc..

😛

[solar zealot]

Atx woke up with his tbit Nvidia switches

[clear ferry]

[high remnant]

https://iwillnotbuynitro.com/view/aching-warlike-airedaleterrier.png

[solar zealot]

He hasn't deployed 10gig since 1874

[unborn merlin]

nah who needs that shit

just usb like

[clear ferry]

Only 64 ports of 800G I'll have you know @solar zealot

[unborn merlin]

USB4/TB5 between every PC

😛

[solar zealot]

What did happen to you? Don't worry there is no shame in being poor

[clear ferry]

[scenic radish]

I just run my entire network over HDMI 2.2 for that sweet sweet 96 Gbps

[primal laurel]

I use LiFi

[old copper]

is it possible to run IIS on HAOS or some server that can host .net web app?

[unborn merlin]

https://netdaemon.xyz/

I mean.. you can use netdaemon to run some .net core stuff?

[old copper]

Thank you! I will test it

will it be possible to use it with cloudflared tunnel?

[solar zealot]

IIS

I haven't heard that in two decades

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/Qyi0.gif

o iis

[old copper]

I made test sever with IIS and cloudflared tunnel, then on my other PC I just use visual studio to publish my test web site and it works just as I need it to

with just ~2 clicks

[unborn merlin]

I mean you can do a deploy-on-build with vscode or wahtever to deploy netdaemon dll file yeah..

then use a script to restart the addon to reload it

[solar zealot]

Usually your development stack comes with a webserver for testing

[unborn merlin]

and usually its not using a piece of shit like IIS..

[solar zealot]

Anything else, please use containerized versions of the real thing

[unborn merlin]

I don't even think microsoft uses that anymore. /s

https://tenor.com/view/he-he-he-laughing-funny-lizard-heh-heh-heh-gif-5728538792722150615

[old copper]

😰

[unborn merlin]

but what if he's actively trying to add security vulnerabilities to HA?!

What then!?

[solar zealot]

Well he could just install limewire

:P

[old copper]

afaik .net has "Hosting Bundle" that uses IIS

[solar zealot]

Net for web?

Is this razor mvc or whatever it's called

[old copper]

yes

also Blazor

[solar zealot]

-# oh my

[old copper]

why?

[solar zealot]

Mostly about mvc being not really the tool that should still exist

[old copper]

mvc = model view component?

.net use MVVM

[solar zealot]

It's kinda the funky pattern for solving an issue that ist really an issue since forever

generally id prefer proper interfaces so you can also tech switch as you like

[old copper]

MVVM allows it

I dont think MVC is used in asp.net or blazor web apps

[solar zealot]

Either way, see if you can use nginx + kestrel or something else instead of iis

I highly suspect there to be an up to date guide on Microsoft's common places for such things

[old copper]

I will try to find something, wanted to have single PC for both HA and home server

is it possible to run codeproject.AI on HAOS?

I need ALPR

I have frigate with coral tpu but idk if it can read numbers

[solar zealot]

You probably should consider setting up another VM for anything that isn't haos related

[harsh raptor]

to be fair you haven't needed IIS for hosting a dotnet app in a decade

[solar zealot]

I just remember iis being a thing with sbs 2008

With wsus that died after every single update (or every 14 days of no updates)

The joy

[old copper]

what can I use instead of IIS?

afaik Kestrel is just for development

[harsh raptor]

you can use it in production, as long as it's behind a reverse proxy or something.
I dockerize my dotnet apps and host the locally on my Nuc

[solar zealot]

You could probably even bundle both inside the same container if you really wanted

[harsh raptor]

never tried that, but yea would work

[harsh raptor]

did you make your test server windows so you can run IIS?

[old copper]

yes

I cant use Linux 😢

[fervent folio]

God I despise Alexa.

[harsh raptor]

cool, still a cool solution if it works it works right

[old copper]

I was able to setup everything and it worked so yes

with cloudflared tunnel I just set different port for each web site in IIS and then I can use subdomain to reach it

also should be secure so I dont need Traefik etc

[fervent folio]

What are you trying to do? Setup cloudflared to access stuff?

[old copper]

I want to host .net web site on my pc and access it with domain name and cloudflared tunnel

[fervent folio]

Install the cloudflared addon and just direct it to whatever port you're going to use through cloudflare.

Sounded like you may have already done that though? I've got a bunch of stuff I access through zero trust on my network.

[old copper]

I have mini PC and I tested win server + iis + cloudflared tunnel and everything worked perfectly, but then I decided to use that PC for HAOS

[solar zealot]

multiple vms
flies away

[fervent folio]

You need to go setup a new Application in cloudflare.

Change the port you're using for one of them.

Shouldn't need a new VM at all just to host two small apps.

[old copper]

it has intel J4125 and 8GB idk if it can handle all that

[fervent folio]

No extra VM needed. Ezpz.

[old copper]

is it for .net web sites?

[fervent folio]

A website is a website.

[nocturne orchid]

is there an integration which lets me create custom climate entities from a template file?
i found this one: https://github.com/jcwillox/hass-template-climate but its super outdated and even the newest fork dose not work...

dose anyone have expirience with this or do you know a guy who knows a guy?

[scenic radish]

Finally someone who doesn't unnecessarily mask LAN IP addresses

@nocturne orchid #1284966582375813201

[static schooner]

im in ur network haking ur stuff

[fervent folio]

Host your web content on something other than 80 or 443 if you can't change whatever HAOS port is and then setup a tunnel for both in Zero Trust.

[nocturne orchid]

ye i know but no one will respond there :/ but shure lets try again

[fervent folio]

Send me screenshots of what you find.

[scenic radish]

wow you're into some kinky shit

[static schooner]

it should be illegal to do that to a raccoon

[fervent folio]

shhhh maybe he will post whatever he finds on a 192 address.

[lone dagger]

NO KINK SHAMING

[fervent folio]

lmao.

[static schooner]

doesn't matter if the raccoon likes it

[scenic radish]

Hey, no judgement here

[solar zealot]

Naw how else are we supposed to get our dopamine

Coke is expensive

[lone dagger]

Go piss off people on social media - that's how everyone else gets their dopamine.

[fervent folio]

I've got like 800 devices that have to be manually deleted out of the Alexa app if you need a real hit.

[unborn merlin]

not even if someone actually enjoys handling tuya hardware?

https://tenor.com/view/he-he-he-laughing-funny-lizard-heh-heh-heh-gif-5728538792722150615

[solar zealot]

Alexa app
Found your problem right there

[lone dagger]

Look here you don't want to kink shame the community manager okay. She's kind of crazy.

[unborn merlin]

also seemingly smug as fuck

just clicking that avatar confirms thats a smug smile

[lone dagger]

[solar zealot]

She also kind of stingy with shiny stickers

[fervent folio]

While listening to Rihanna.

[solar zealot]

[old copper]

800 devices??

[scenic radish]

But why male models?

[solar zealot]

Why not

[fervent folio]

Cause apparently the default should be to expose everything when adding the alexa skill manually in home assistant.

[lone dagger]

That's how I felt doing that for the first time.

[old copper]

you have 800 devices?

[fervent folio]

I think it may be easier to just delete my Amazon account and get a new one.

[lone dagger]

It's fucking overwhelming.

[solar zealot]

I know a simple solution
Buy the ha voice instead

[lone dagger]

SIMPLE

HA

[fervent folio]

I have one. LOL

I just need to set it up.

May be the push I need.

[solar zealot]

(missy send me stickers for this advertisement)

[lone dagger]

If you use it for any music at all, then I suggest an external speaker to connect to it. Otherwise, it should be able to replace most everything else Alexa.

[solar zealot]

A cute little box and it comes with the assistant named homey

Or wait no it was nabu

[fervent folio]

I got it setup briefly when I first picked it up several months ago and had some stuff that I'm sure was fixable, just needed a little bit of time to solve.

But yeah. Abandoning Alexa would be ideal.

[primal laurel]

I thought that was a playstation 1 at first glance

[fervent folio]

Kinda looks like one!

[lone dagger]

basically what I did.

[fervent folio]

Haha. I see the vision! I just don't have the damn time.

[lone dagger]

I even bought a speaker to set everything up with.

[fervent folio]

Maybe one day.

All my automations are suffering from the same fate lmao.

Had one that opened the garage door when my car got within range that hasn't worked in months.

[fervent folio]

Pffffff.

I've got a aqara button I use for that.

[scenic radish]

for real though, i'd be too nervous about accidental triggers with an automation like that

[fervent folio]

Look into Shelly! I've got it setup as a relay on the garage door and it knows if the garage is open or not.

It wont toggle if the garage door is not fully closed.

ASK ME WHAT TRIGGERED THAT LITTLE CONDITION

Lmao.

[scenic radish]

no i mean it accidentally being triggered when closed

[fervent folio]

Like opening it?

[scenic radish]

yes lol

it being opened when it shouldn't be

[fervent folio]

Ah, the buttons a zigbee button anyway so it'd have to be close regardless.

[scenic radish]

i mean this

[fervent folio]

Yeah. I guess it'd have to get the wrong location of the car or something though. Hasn't happened before but I guess it always could happen if something really went wild.

[scenic radish]

yeah

[fervent folio]

It's based on entering and exiting a zone so it'd have to trigger being out of the zone, then in the zone just to start the automation.

[scenic radish]

makes sense. I'd still be nervous personally heh

[unborn merlin]

I have the google home speakaer things..

[fervent folio]

Well it doesn't work anyway soooooo.

https://tenor.com/view/security-sehcohrity-lol-lmao-lmfao-gif-4657116

[unborn merlin]

I'm very tempted to make some of these PCBs and go off-grid.. 😛 https://github.com/justLV/onju-voice

[static schooner]

I have 5, but I'm using voice PE devices instead

[scenic radish]

i've got one that I'm woefully underutilizing

[static schooner]

The speakers are vastly superior, but it doesn't have an XMOS chip

And the ESPHome config is waiting for ESPHome updates

[unborn merlin]

tho if I get that board made..

I need to go to.. jlc instead because pcbway is on cocaine if they think i'm paying that much for their boards..

... also feel like that board couldve been handled with 2 layers and didn't need to be a 4layer..

[scenic radish]

So I have a Netgear LTE modem for a failover internet connection (which we don't need very often at all, but it's nice to have) and it has the ability to send/receive texts and has an HA integration. I have an automation set up to notify me when texts are received and I decided I wanted to set up a blocklist (to not be notified). I set this up with scripts, input_texts, and an input_option. The input_option is used in the notification automation. Does this feel like a Rube Goldberg machine? Kind of. Does it work? Yes.

[forest edge]

that's Illinois. the other flat state

[old copper]

I managed to run my blazor app on HAOS as custom addon and can open it on port 8080 🤯 will check if it works as it should

all I had to do is to create 2 files: dockerfile and config.yml

as ChatGPT told me

[solar zealot]

Nice

[old copper]

now I am trying to setup cloudflared tunnel 😰

[forest edge]

@old copperis your avatar old disappointed fallout guy?

[lone dagger]

casually faves this gif

[forest edge]

prime day this year is kind of shit

[unborn merlin]

it usually is.

upside: my last significant pcb order from JLCPCB got through without tariff idiocy.

👍

[runic cape]

Random thought, probably not original, but using a vibration sensor to tell when the washer is done

[unborn merlin]

I mean a current clamp would also do it.. 🤷‍♂️

[old copper]

yes, with some photoshop 😄

[primal laurel]

Many people tried, most failed (including me). Just get a power plug, has been working solidly for years

Vibration sensors are unreliable crap or expensive

[runic cape]

most are not so good with washers though

[runic cape]

that's disappointing, why should they be unreliable? it doesn't seem particularly difficult

[unborn merlin]

noise.

[old copper]

if you know electronics and dont care about voiding warranty, you can try to connect to the board, for example if your machine has speaker/buzzer that beeps when done or something like that, my machine has display that tells me how much long it will take before I start it and then I can see time left so I can just set timer on my phone for example if I need it

[unborn merlin]

you'd have to do something with an accelerometer and then probably.. sampling windows to get it tob ehave as you'd want

[scenic radish]

i just use an energy monitoring smart plug and some automation logic

[fervent folio]

"the washer"

https://tenor.com/view/sure-jim-the-office-okay-mmm-gif-17183499

[scenic radish]

|| Washer? I hardly know 'er! ||

[fervent folio]

I clicked on that and had to read it.

https://tenor.com/view/dad-joke-dadjoke-roasted-boom-gif-22339988

[runic cape]

but like motion is not that hard to detect is it?!

[unborn merlin]

with what as a reference point?

accelerometers spit out a lot of noisy data

[fervent folio]

Wouldn't it be just as easy to have a button that you press that just starts a timer and gives you a notification?

[unborn merlin]

whereas current clamp or plug

... current is either higher than quiescent/done current.. or its not

[fervent folio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY9o4Ap1WCo

[minor bobcat]

Tell that my washer/dryer that adjusts it's cycle based on weights and humidity of the load...

[fervent folio]

My washer has wifi.

No clue if it works though. I'm to lazy to try it.

[unborn merlin]

clearly needs to be replaced with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q_ZzBGPdqE

[fervent folio]

Are your clothes really clean if you haven't forgotten about them twice and had to run them through at least 3 quick washes?

[minor bobcat]

See mine is dumb smart. It just does stuff but doesn't tell the world what exactly

[forest edge]

so annoying. I have LG and both the washer and dishwasher play a damn song

[unborn merlin]

it probably comes with the cancer that is a specific app.

[unborn merlin]

big boomer brain not able to read the "Press this for 3 seconds to mute" thing? 🤔

[fervent folio]

My oven apparently has wifi also.

Absoluetly zero clue why.

[unborn merlin]

most of those "smart" ovens arae like.. for food cooking or notifications of being done I think?

most don't allow you to remote-on them

for semi obvious reasons.

[minor bobcat]

Burn your house down remotely. Claim insurance.

[forest edge]

"big boomer brain" not care enough since the washer is in the basement and the dishwasher only runs at night

[fervent folio]

Who needs a heater, I just run my over 24/7 through an automation and smart plug fan setup in home assistant.

[unborn merlin]

yet enough to whine about it.

truly the best generational skill. whine but don't fix. 🙃

[minor bobcat]

Exactly.

[forest edge]

you truly deserve all the hardships heading your way lol

[fervent folio]

Just use a real mans mute button.

Screw driver to random holes until it stops screaming.

[unborn merlin]

all the shit you guys fucked up and continue to fuck up* yes.

[minor bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-23464742

[forest edge]

please go on. I need a good laugh

[primal laurel]

The ones I've tried were. And I've read others struggled too. I also tried an accelerometer, but it didn't pick up the vibrations well enough for it to trigger reliably. They are not consistent

[runic cape]

isn't that weird though, like conceptually

[unborn merlin]

well it doesn't really help that.. the machines are sort of made to not vibrate much

[primal laurel]

A power plug works so well and gives you good data, so why bother

[runic cape]

like literally a ball on a string with a motion sensor facing it

in an enclosure

[unborn merlin]

no, because they work to make it not shake much

[runic cape]

You bother because nobody expects a vibration sensor to work badly

[unborn merlin]

our washer has a goddamn variable frequency drive powered motor inside of it.. that thing is dead quiet when it gets up to speed for the most part.

[runic cape]

of course now that I know it works badly I'm not gonna

yeah that's not mine

[primal laurel]

Maybe the commercial ones work better. I went diy

[unborn merlin]

we only have it because I forced the parents to spend more than "the most basic piece of shit" that we had previously (twice) that died in the same way twice (the plastic drum that holds the water inside cracked.. flooding on the second floor; fun.)

[primal laurel]

Now I put the plug data in the energy dashboard

[minor bobcat]

Nope, most people that tried the usual ones were disappointed. Especially since the machine has some pauses in between and it's hard to decipher them

[runic cape]

Hmm, what if we detected the start, then set a timer, then after that timer started listening

because wash time is variable, but only slightly

[unborn merlin]

.. or.. or.. just use a smart plug

[runic cape]

but it's inductive load 😩

[unborn merlin]

and?

it'll survive fine.

[minor bobcat]

You'd have to start measuring you machine pauses. It's so much effort for something that can be solved by a plug

[unborn merlin]

you're using it for power monitoring not for switching

[runic cape]

I definitely don't feel qualified to decide whether that means it's fine

[unborn merlin]

I'm fairly qualified on electrical ish stuff by way of like almost 2 decades of tinkering

you will survive, so will it.

[scenic radish]

then take my anecdotal evidence of using smart plugs to monitor washers and dryers for 5+ years with no issues

the same ones, in fact

[unborn merlin]

the issue with inductive loads is the spike of current on starts if its whats directly in front of the relay

however.. its not, because the washer has a relay or SSR that handles the motor driving and its whats eating that inductive load spike and such

[minor bobcat]

It's not like you're controlling a 5kW escalator with that

Houshold appliances are made for the dumbest person

Even if "oUt oF sPeC" use cases shits still solid 90% of the time

[unborn merlin]

yeah, washers don't really take terribly much power

its why this is fine.

[primal laurel]

Voltage spikes, not current spikes. Inductors resist change in current

[unborn merlin]

either way the issue is that spike on the relay when it tries to close

the micro relays used in shelly/plug stuff are not made to eat that.

well.. it could eat it just not for very long.. 🙃

[primal laurel]

It has over voltage protection

[unborn merlin]

our dryers actually gonna require relay replacements at some point the motor-run relay has started to stick (but goes back to normal if you smack the board holder)

[minor bobcat]

Considering every washer has some microcontroller built in you're never controlling the motor directly with a smart plug

[unborn merlin]

i have fixed that dryer too damn much

[runic cape]

I thought shellies could handle it?

[unborn merlin]

Samsung be like: yes lets use insulated terminals but only where it gets really hot!

[minor bobcat]

Even if you'd use it to turn that thing of mid cycle it wouldn't just start back up

[unborn merlin]

their inductive load limit is much lower than the overall limit

[lunar remnant]

Yeah especially if you have a heat pump or inverter-based dryer, their peak inductive load can spike pretty high

[unborn merlin]

"inverter" is just marketing wank terms for "It has a variable frequency drive"

[minor bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/all-out-crank-it-up-dial-it-up-energy-boost-focus-mode-gif-17832158213945125805

[unborn merlin]

aka "it can run a whole lot more efficient and work harder only as needed" 😛

[hollow panther]

I set up geofenced notifications today using a todo list as a queue and while I'm happy I have geofenced notifications... I'm squirmy about the abuse of todo lists as a queue 😬

[gusty belfry]

good god ecobee sensors are overpriced as hell

[unborn merlin]

upside: at least they aren't quite as shitbag as google

re: nest that aren't at least gen3 can't use them despite definitely having the same wireless chipsets inside

[gusty belfry]

I don't understand how people can charge $52 for a used one that has been chewed up by a dog

https://www.ebay.com/itm/197397832295

[unborn merlin]

ah thats newer stuff

[gusty belfry]

nobody sells the old ones

[unborn merlin]

shame; have two of those

still working fine..

[gusty belfry]

1 listing on ebay and its 50 bucks a pair

[unborn merlin]

oof.

still les shit than google.. not that.. thats a very high bar I guess?

[gusty belfry]

it's so low it's rebar

[unborn merlin]

🙃 suppose so.. glad I chose ecobee for familys house when i did choose

[gusty belfry]

Can't afford new toys with my AC running so much anyways

[unborn merlin]

thats not that bad..

compared to me..

running a portable and a window unit in a poorly insulated attic (well, lets call it maliciously insulated as they insulated the roof behind the knee walls so its trapping more heat and letting it trasnfer to the living area..)

[gusty belfry]

[unborn merlin]

i did oprder the heat pump on 4th of july tho

so.. gotta prep for that and get ready to install it

and then finish doing this (properly insulating the living area..)

[gusty belfry]

My water heater is cooling my garage now. It's neat

[unborn merlin]

yeeah my boss wants to put one of those in his house

I should remind him so I can get some more work hours.. 🤣

[gusty belfry]

The Rheems are quite nice.

[unborn merlin]

that is the one I was gonna suggest him yes

his goddamn house..

has a standing water tank and oil burner for heaating waater right now

[gusty belfry]

Super quiet, 65 gallon, and a flow based recirc. It's great.

[unborn merlin]

but the water tank doesnt have any electric heat to maintain the temp

so.. it always has to kick on to reheat the water..

[gusty belfry]

[unborn merlin]

yeah..

[gusty belfry]

I had 2 pure electric 50 gallons on separate loops that were 20 years old. that used uninsulated steel pipe that was balanced on the AC ductwork.

[unborn merlin]

its not quite that bad in that house.. but I did somewhat perhaps pitch the thought of a recirc loop to him maybe sometime too because.. the house is massive

[gusty belfry]

https://smartrecirculationcontrol.com/smart-recirculation-control-32/

This thing is amazing

[unborn merlin]

meh.. I'd just get the one that rheem specs

not me paying; and it integrates last I checked?

also.. mixing valve probably too; use even less hot water

[gusty belfry]

Rheem has a TSB against using recirc on hybrid systems. This one is designed for it.

[unborn merlin]

he buys the tools and stuff.. I do the work-- i get to have some tools sometimes.. 🤣

[gusty belfry]

https://rmc-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/site/rheemdotcom/resources/tech-bulletins/Heat+Pump+w-recirculation+1331.pdf

https://smartrecirculationcontrol.com/heat-pump-water-heaters/

[unborn merlin]

It literally has a page in the manual about how to install one tho..?

[gusty belfry]

I just said they had a TSB to advise against it, I never said they didn't contradict themselves

[unborn merlin]

tho the most infuriating part of working mon his heat stuff is..

the lack of a goddamn drain in the floor

for the over-pressure valve on the boiler and etc

[gusty belfry]

I feel that. I have to have a condensate drain for the hybrid and I have no drain in the garage.

[unborn merlin]

truly asshole design.

we discovered this when he tried using a condensate drain pump for the adjacent air-handler in the winter to remove the over-pressure water from the boilers drain bucket..

[gusty belfry]

Right now it's just using a 3 gallon bucket lol

[unborn merlin]

and of course..

whoever installed that drain pump just sent it outside enxt to the A/C unit

and used.. copper pipe to do so

so it fucking froze over in the winter because of course it did

[lone dagger]

[unborn merlin]

I'm likely gonna.. make my own drain line install that will dump into his downstairs shower drain area.. because I just need to drill a hole in the wall to put a small exit pipe under a shower seat.. should be better than it is right now at least? 😛

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/skinnypop-girl-popcorn-sweeping-sweep-gif-11605837

[gusty belfry]

The old church in the city I lived in poured a slab with radiator piping in it and let it sit til spring before erecting the building. Every pipe burst because it was full of snow before the thing was built. They had copper pipe hanging from the ceiling throughout the building.

[unborn merlin]

ffs.

yeah his house is in... a rather rich area so like

[lone dagger]

Just lurking, don't mind me.

[unborn merlin]

the amount of corner cutting I've seen working on his house and managing his homeassistant stuff?

is baffling to me.

and also rather infuriating

[gusty belfry]

Dude go look at home inspectors on instagram or tiktok. Modern construction is an ABSOLUTE SHITSHOW

[unborn merlin]

like the people who did his air handler in the attic for his second floor..

They didn't have things actually square to the goddamn joists at all so it bugs me every goddamn time I see it.

his house is large enough to have 3 breaker panels.

none of them are labeled; except the sporadic ones I've added.

[lone dagger]

Don't get me started on my shitty house lol.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/complain-complaining-30rock-gif-19449453

[unborn merlin]

its none of the stuff like that but like.. last week I was in his second attic (two different levels of house so two different slightly-connected attics)

and... we found an extraction fan to cool the area?

.... it wasn't wired in

the control box was just fucking dangling there.

for 25+ years apparently.

his house is a lesson in repeated code violations.. I just try to not have a stroke when I see it

big outdoor front yard/garden..

they used mains-powered lights.. Sure.. Fine.

They buried the trunk line between the two sides of the yard about 8" down in the garden area and it has been severed and poorly repaired a few times.

[gusty belfry]

I have a lipstick on a pig flipped house from the 60s
After purchase, I have had to:

• Replace and rearrange all the breakers and remove an illegal sub-panel that was BYPASSING the main breaker using 10 gauge for a 50 amp load.
• Replace roof
• Replace furnace
• Replace plumbing
• Replace irrigation
• Replace patio slab
• Gut garage back to studs and redo EVERYTHING because they slapped a second layer of drywall on to hide extensive mold. (and also because it was an illegal bedroom)

[unborn merlin]

(including once when the repair person elected to.. swap neutral and ground around)

Now I do occasionally do.. slightly off things I'll adamit

like.. I used stranded wire to install some smart stuff with wagos in a wall box.

but the stranded 16g wire was FEP based so.. 250c~ or so failure point that wire will be fine.. 😛

I try not to.. do anything that I would not want to have in my own house sorta stuff..

[gusty belfry]

I just gave up fixing stuff.

[unborn merlin]

well i get paid hourly while un-fucking his house's stuff and upgrading stuff.. 😛

[gusty belfry]

I got better things to do now. Like fixing my car

[unborn merlin]

my most recent headache was... putting in a new unifi switch in a less bad place (previous old one was in the attic.. it died in heat)

... and realizing that the switch is 48 port (32 poe) and doesn't have a 10g SFP uplink

unifi.

Why are you like this.

Why do you put a 48 port gigabit switch with fucking 1G SFP uplinks?

[gusty belfry]

who puts a full rack in an attic?

[forest edge]

-# when soulmates run into each other

[unborn merlin]

not a full rack, it was an older unifi switch

and I did because I really didn't want to run that many goddamn home runs another 150+ ft

[gusty belfry]

But still it's a rack unit. In an attic.

[unborn merlin]

I modified it after iI had to repair it (it had dying poe power board..) with heatsinks + 3d printed bracket for further fans..

and it survived one summer; just died on the second apparently.

150f on a shelly measuring in the attic so it was probably like.. at most 50+~ or so celsius? that should not have killed a rack device... run the fans dammit

[gusty belfry]

Go passive fiber with a mux/demux

[unborn merlin]

but regardless.. it'll be worked out this time.. its just gonna require using some punchdown-splices to extend wires and etc..

[unborn merlin]

bunch of downstream cameras with poe requirements and some access points/etc

well there goes my first and probably only prime day buy..

some govee matter-supported smart bulbs to replace the hue bulbs that have been slowly but steadily pissing me off.

[scenic radish]

What's been going on with them?

[gusty belfry]

WiZ is cheap and mostly works. Plus they make 1600lm bulbs

[unborn merlin]

two have been behaving oddly anad randomly started flickering on and off until power is cut/unscrewed for like 10mins

took a look at one the other day and..

I am pretty sure that part of the bulb is ceramic

so.. god-damn

[scenic radish]

Jeebus

[unborn merlin]

to be fair.. these are like..

the original hue color bulbs?

so like.. 10-12 years?

[scenic radish]

Spicy boi

[unborn merlin]

that is... probably an acceptable amount of time for them to last.. I mean they still mostly work now but.. I'll probabaly just move them elsewhere in the house (my father really likes the smart stuff)

[runic cape]

is this bad

[unborn merlin]

its odd/maybe marginally concerning

since I'm pretty sure that part of the bulb is ceramic

and ceramic doesn't usually crack unless you like.. abuse it or thermal shock it

and I've done.. neither really?

[forest edge]

looks more like plastic and just cracked from the heat it's been subjected to over the years

[unborn merlin]

doesn't sound like plastic when tapped on.

[forest edge]

either way the crack just comes from the heat

[unborn merlin]

except materials dont typically just crack for no reason. 😉

shitty pyrex getting suddenly hot?

Thermal shock.

rapid cooled/heated? thermal shock

[forest edge]

welcome to the effects of prolong exposure

[unborn merlin]

I know I get to see the effects of lead poisoning everyday here.

[forest edge]

I think that's just your generation. you may still grow out of it

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/miss-the-point-missing-the-point-missed-the-point-gif-11959012

[glacial knot]

when did we last have leaded petrol?

[forest edge]

https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/every-country-has-now-banned-the-use-of-leaded-gasoline-in-cars

[unborn merlin]

before I was born.. Just before. 😉

[forest edge]

in 2021?

that makes a lot of sense

[glacial knot]

luckily I'm far enough from the border that the French being late to the party shouldn't have been an issue 😂

[forest edge]

preexisting infrastructure wasn't thoroughly redone so you likely still getting it in your water

[glacial knot]

but they have
though around here they weren't wide spread since copper was already more common 🤷

[forest edge]

yup and all old copper was lead soldered lol

not to mention just about every valve had lead in it

[glacial knot]

kinda appalled to see that they only recently required removing them for former east Germany though

[vivid berry]

Anyone know if the Unifi Protect Horn Speaker is supported by the Unifi Protect integration yet?

[glacial knot]

let's ask our local expert on unifi products @clear ferry

not sure if it's a question for #1284966353798697001 or #1284966582375813201. This channel is about 🦝s only though

and 💩posting

[vivid berry]

Okay, thank you!

[glacial knot]

Quick look at the annual report shows below measurement capabilities. Though that's only 0.1 of the regulation limit

And the limit seems high, at 2/3rd of what the US allows

[forest edge]

limits are nothing more than a compromise

[glacial knot]

well, yea. That's why the interesting bit is "below the sensitivity of the measurement"

[forest edge]

truth is people should worry less about old things like lead and worry more about the new shit they will come out in 40 years from now saying we all shouldn't have been around all this time in the present

cause there will always be something

[unborn merlin]

nah. no worries.

Climate catastrophy will handle it. 😉

.. or handle us; as it were.

[forest edge]

guess you'll just have to learn to adapt

[unborn merlin]

I'll get right on that after the facism years. /s

[glacial knot]

well, yea. Currently it seems to be microplastics

soon it'll be something else 🤷

[unborn merlin]

the answer is.. it'll be more teflon-derivatives.

because they play regulatory whack-a-mole with the precursor chemicals needed to make it

[glacial knot]

yea, various non-stick pans and tupperware got good chances

[unborn merlin]

surprisingly its not actually them

its the shit that dupont/whatever the fuck those fucks are calling themselves these days dumped while making it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC2eSujzrUY

like in the early days..

they were just dumping the precursor chemical into a ditch that fed to a fucking cow farmer's land

because murica

nobodys proved this new mystery chemical we use is bad yet so we're free to poison people with it!

teflon/FEP itself is hilariously nonreactive as long as you dont overheat it

(and if you do overheat it; if you have any birds in your house they won't be alive much longer.)

but the chemicals used to make it? toxic shit.. and thats the shit thats in our blood.. 🙃

and basically permeating the entire water cycle.

[glacial knot]

you trust people to not overheat their cooking utensils?

[unborn merlin]

I mean I use that stuff.

the boomer morons I live with who keep using fucking metal utensils on the pans though?

idiots.

[forest edge]

hilarious that gen z just up and decides to blame all their issues on previous generations while NO OTHER generation before them did that and just learned to take the hand they were delt with and improve upon it

[glacial knot]

yea, other generations didn't fuck up quite as much 😂

[forest edge]

every generation has made mistakes

gen x is making thier own right now

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/don't-make-me-tap-the-sign-simpsons-bus-gif-5399805801037462082

[unborn merlin]

he's part of said generation so he can't really grasp it.. 😄

[forest edge]

no one can grasp it

why so many getting fed up

[glacial knot]

well, yea. But the density is directly related to how dense they are 😂

[glacial knot]

#the-water-cooler message

[unborn merlin]

I know.. 🙃

https://tenor.com/view/he-he-he-laughing-funny-lizard-heh-heh-heh-gif-5728538792722150615

[glacial knot]

also, luckily I'm not Gen X

imagine being so old you think that's young people

and I'm not even young anymore and not Gen X

[forest edge]

gen z

even millennials didn't complain like this

and that was the generation born into the internet

[unborn merlin]

you know what's hilarious?

watching the generation that said "that will rot your brain" say that to millenials who now get to watch that actually happening to the idiots with lead poisoning..

[forest edge]

that your generation is going to complain themselves into a rut? yes we are watching that live

[glacial knot]

phew, still not being talked to

[unborn merlin]

I think imma just mute the general dipshit for tonight.. I've had enough of lead poisoned

[forest edge]

you don't complain as much lol

[glacial knot]

I do though 😂

[forest edge]

no you really don't

you kids have made the world as it is now. my generation hasn't had any say in things since before you were born and all the stuff you like to bring up like lead and asbestos etc was banned and delt with before it could even become an issue for you so all you sound like is someone who likes to complain because you can't do anything else

[glacial knot]

I do, but half of it is about zoomers

[clear ferry]

I hate orgs that use google as their office suite

meeting scheudling is always flaky at best

[glacial knot]

wat? Works perfectly well

[clear ferry]

then it is just the people using it who are shit at keeping track of their calendar

[forest edge]

why does this exist https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CGX48MLR

a single light switch in lcd form.

[forest edge]

always exciting when you put on socks that you had taken off the night before and left on the floor and not sure if a brown recluse has made it's way into one of them in that duration or not

[solar zealot]

Have you tried moving into a place not owned by spiders

[last cedar]

@forest edge is your tag 3d printed with the raccoon entrails you keep talking about? 🤣

Discord didn't think how it would look on an amoled on dark mode (basically it says omaGT)

[glacial knot]

Even the o is barely visible

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/community-ken-jeong-ben-chang-cant-see-small-gif-5154350

It is if you do this

Kinda 🙂

[glacial knot]

Oh yeah. On midnight theme it's even fuckier

[forest edge]

i'm incognito

[last cedar]

WHO SAID THAT

[glacial knot]

must have been someone unimportant

[solar zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-incognito-don-incognito-homer-simpson-incognito-gif-27499834

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-simpson-the-simpsons-shy-shame-ashame-gif-16916873

[clear ferry]

I knew you were a freak in the Google Sheets

[lone dagger]

Oh yeah, I made it as obnoxious as I could.

[lone dagger]

tbf

not by choice...

[last cedar]

I love it, magnificent! (How is the nightmare crochet coming along?) 😄

[clear ferry]

So it is CNC, I see, I see.....

https://tenor.com/bPgVp.gif

[lone dagger]

She's still sitting on the couch, ignored. I need to get on this, though, bestie's birthday is in October.

[last cedar]

You do need to get on with it

I would never proctastonate over a project like that

(Used my 3d printer once and took a month to unbox it)

[clear ferry]

Hope I don't die and someone finds my search history today
-postgres pgbackrest wal files filling up
-bdsm dictionary
-how to fix broken macros in excel

[last cedar]

Bought new access point and not got it working yet

[clear ferry]

not sure which of those three are worse

[last cedar]

Broken macros in excel, clearly

[clear ferry]

yes

even worse

they are french

so I have to debug FRENCH macros in excel

FUCKING FRENCH PEOPLE

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/kravatie-kravate-viva-kravatie-french-cat-gif-25816617

[clear ferry]

why can't you just use english like the rest of the world

AZERTY KEYBOARD

screw that

[primal laurel]

it's fr*nch. Please be respectful

[clear ferry]

FRÆNSCH

https://tenor.com/b33QrP23x3U.gif

I was a schipol 6 years ago, bought my eldest daugther a pair of Miffy Clogs, they are quite cute

[crisp oriole]

You mean french formula definitions?

[clear ferry]

no

Macros, not formulas

the formulas and regionalized stuff is a whole other discussion

WTF would you even implement that

My wife learned norwegian formulas, and didn't manage to help me with english formulas because why would they make sense across languages

r/notforspelunking

[iron granite]

French macros? Aren't they called "Macarons"?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/rXzEFtiuGBU.gif

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-yoda-baby-yoda-macaron-gif-19304767

[paper marlin]

We have blueprints for automations. Is there a similar resource for hardware? I wish there was an aggregator for installs (hardware and automations used) that focused on their use case (#kitchen lighting, #home theater, etc.)

[lone dagger]

We're kind of working on it?

I dunno if it's a direct answer but the device database might solve that for this situation.

[paper marlin]

I'm trying to design my system but there's so much that I don't know that I don't know.

[lone dagger]

hahahahahhaha if that isn't a fucking mood

[primal laurel]

https://esphome.io/guides/diy.html

[lone dagger]

Learning curve for Home Assistant is still high and the flexibility can leave some people overwhelmed. Totally understand.

[clear ferry]

I'll show you a learning curve

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/appendices-appendice-lesappendices-sausage-gif-7364989

[reef bolt]

is thre a place to make suggestions on here or is this just a place where suggestions go to die?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bxMXt.gif

[paper marlin]

These look like the resources I was looking for:

• The Home Assistant Cookbook, https://community.home-assistant.io/t/the-home-assistant-cookbook-index/707144
• ESPHome DIY Examples, https://esphome.io/guides/diy.html
• Home Assistant Devices, https://www.hadevices.com/

Did I miss anything?

[primal laurel]

https://community.home-assistant.io/c/feature-requests/

[reef bolt]

why does it say i am not allowed to create topics in this category?

does it know I am american?

[iron granite]

Because feature requests on the forums are deprecated. The new place is on GitHub.

[reef bolt]

cool

ill stop looking there then

[iron granite]

https://github.com/orgs/home-assistant/discussions

-# That's the new feature requests page.

[reef bolt]

thanks!

[lone dagger]

I thought of having a feedback space here with the server redesign, but it was ultimately decided to not split things up. The transition to GitHub helps make things easier for the product and engineering teams. 😄

[reef bolt]

yeah

no problem

theres a lot of that here

I was asking about an integration and ended up chatting on the forums and he helped me. I guess he isn't on discord

[elfin fog]

Is there an option to turn on lights based on 2 claps?

With voice assistant I only found text based responses.

I know that is is cliche and in every movie with smart house, but that's why it is a must feature. 😂

[glacial knot]

you might be able to mess around with openwakeword to make it work, but #1284966915055288530 is the support channel for voice stuff (audio control I guess?)

[peak slate]

The OG smart device

The clapper

"hey computer, turn off the bedroom lights" just takes too much time compared to clap clap

[elfin fog]

Agree

And it isn't as cool

[peak slate]

I still love my little keypads around the house controlling things, no need to yell at anything to make it happen 😛

[reef bolt]

[home-assistant/feature-requests] Auto-detect duplicate feature requests workflow run

I guess its a duplicate

[desert cave]

It's absolutely this. Meeting scheduling works fine, but we have a few people who always seem to miss meeting notifications, lol

[runic cape]

In general I don't want to talk to it like it's a human

I seem to be in the minority on this

Even if it were an actual human I would not want to make whole sentences

Jarvis, kitchen lights

[paper marlin]

What keypads are you using?

[runic cape]

I especially don't want it to pretend to be human when I still need to be careful in phrasing

[primal laurel]

Me neither

[runic cape]

but when I think about it with a 100% human I would come up with shorthand too

[primal laurel]

I want a tiny language model that can figure out what i want from a few words and some context. Like im in the kitchen, i say 'jarvis, lights' and it will respond instantly and turn on/off kitchen lights

[runic cape]

That recent blueprint that recognizes like 500 different nos and yeses, no thanks, give me exactly one, and make it a weird one (like affirmative/negative)

[nocturne orchid]

how do i combine the two graphs onto one ?

[runic cape]

I like "make it so" though

[runic cape]

they got split cause they're different units, doesn't really make sense to merge in a standard graph

[nocturne orchid]

oh got it

thanks!

[runic cape]

What would be a nice negative counterpart to "make it so"? certainly not "make it not so"

[fierce umbra]

make it null?

[runic cape]

ideally yes but I'm not willing to spend the money to make a system that knows where I am

[peak slate]

Espdecks, custom designed/made https://github.com/AeroSteveO/EspDeck

[solar zealot]

you can also make a system that knows where you arent

[runic cape]

I'm gonna guess I'm not there yet with one of those

[peak slate]

There's also the local deck if you want a full product

[solar zealot]

Yes yes

[peak slate]

Espdeck and local deck are both fully open source and esphome powered

[nocturne orchid]

is there a instance of HA which has all entity types i existence which can be reset to that state? would be great for testing

[fathom sparrow]

THis channel isn't for support

Please see the Rules, thanks.

[primal laurel]

There's tons of cheap ways to do that

[runic cape]

presumably involving some knowledge and soldering though?

[clear ferry]

There are people without knowledge and soldering irons?

Disgusting

[fathom sparrow]

There's tons of people with knowledge but are shitty at it

[clear ferry]

This is a fact

[fathom sparrow]

ask me how I know

[clear ferry]

I've met so many people with master degree in IT fields who could hardly turn on a monitor

[fathom sparrow]

htf is that possible

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/cartoons-comedy-drinking-water-wrong-gif-17581566

[fathom sparrow]

Then again, I work in automation and people come to me with windows issues

No clue how I'm considered the expert 🤣

Google: Windows + Problem. Done

[clear ferry]

I once had a Unix admin stand behind me with a notebook and write down all commands I did, and be surprised at all of them, and he managed the system, and it was a critical national service

[fathom sparrow]

lol, some people don't like CLI

[clear ferry]

Then you shouldn't be a Unix admin

[fathom sparrow]

which is mind boggling because it's the fastest way to get pasts security and get shit done the right way

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-i-know-this-unix-system-gif-14433570

[minor bobcat]

I'm a prototyping "engineer" for print system that are about as tall as a truck. But still people ask me about their problems with printing at home lol

[fathom sparrow]

lol

To be fair, they are similar

[hasty dawn]

"Printing is printing" -clueless enduser

[fathom sparrow]

my wife was a print major

[minor bobcat]

Absolutely you spray some colored dots on paper, done.

[clear ferry]

Fun thing about Unix systems in Norway, most of my colleagues who did them are either dead or retired, I'm the only one in country that officially is a HPUX systems engineer

[fathom sparrow]

or laser em

[clear ferry]

Itanium is dead, and we have stopped selling the systems, but I still install three a year

[fathom sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/moneybags-rompiendo-bancas-gif-23768264

set your price yo

[clear ferry]

Even more fun, this is true for about 15 Products, some cross country

[fathom sparrow]

BTW, I was in norway the same time you were I bet

What were you doing in 1998, may 15th

[arctic quarry]

"I want my lawyer present."

[minor bobcat]

Well at first you still spray some colored dots. Just dry not wet?

[elfin fog]

What about this? https://sonoff.tech/en-eu/products/sonoff-zigbee-human-presence-sensor-snzb-06p

I wanted to do clap twice and it will toggle lights on all rooms that detect human presence, but only for those rooms that are close to clapper.

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-3865234062770912266

the 80s would like a word... 🙂

[elfin fog]

Does anyone know any zigbee clapper?

[static schooner]

#1284966617670881350 -> Recommendations tag

[runic cape]

I am not really trying to solve this issue but I'm still not convinced it's cheap, seeing as I'll need multiple + I don't know how precise or reliable these are. Like what if two of them see me

There is also just this thing called multiple people living in a home, does it know who spoke, I doubt it

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/max-headroom-gif-dance-funny-gif-24955887

[stuck anchor]

and then there was this journalist who needed help every time he needed to use "save as" in word.

and all those times he had lost articles and had no clue where he had stored them

a journalist who doesn't know the basics of word... kind of like a carpenter not knowing how a hammer works

[stuck anchor]

the first time i ever worked on a cisco router was in a customer lab. and our customers customer turned out to be the armed forces. so i had two people with notebooks behind me writing down everything i did. yeah. very fun when you also have to fake knowing something you never touched before.

[lone dagger]

Have you considered tap sensors instead?

[stuck anchor]

Pololu - Verbal Machines VM-CLAP1 Hand Clap Sensor https://share.google/V0Xz8Y0ZKkOBuFg80

this one seems to be discontinud. i guess clapping at your devices isn't that cool anymore.

[peak slate]

Okay I want one now, just cause LoL

Hook it up to esphome

[stuck anchor]

post in shameless-self-promotion when done 😉

don't dance flamenco near the clap sensor 😄

[runic cape]

I haven't considered anything, I just know smart home stuff costs money and I am sticking to the things that give the most value and don't just let me skip "kitchen" when saying "kitchen lights"

[weak musk]

Or use mmwave and don't speak at all. I did my entire house for 180 usd

[runic cape]

I don't even actually have a voice thing anyway

[lone dagger]

That's good to know.

I'm trying to think of good solutions for this but it's not easy without new hardware, tbh.

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/videoprofessor-product-gif-22502396

^^missy right now

[runic cape]

Got a door open sensor in the mail 🙂

[peak slate]

Or do and have a disco flamenco

[elfin fog]

I have basement + 2 floors. So I can't just say kitchen lights as there are 3 kitchens in each floor.

Basement Kitchen Lights is quite long

Second Floor Kitchen Lights

[runic cape]

I'm kind of a voice control skeptic in general, I've toyed a bit with the thing on the phone app and it doesn't understand me often or I don't know what to say

but I don't suuper badly want it

[lone dagger]

You can always make a helper group for the lights that has a new name. That's how I get around that. For example, I have a couple lights in the mud room. Since we don't have a presence sensor in there, I need a command to turn them on. I have a helper group called "Dog Mode", so all I have to say is "Turn on dog mode" and the lights turn on.

[weak musk]

You should be able to just associate the voice pe with an area. So if you talk to that voice pe it lights the lights in that area.

"Turn on the lights" with a voice PE in your kitchen, associated to that area would do what you want. True for amazon and google BS too.

Or f' voice and just use mmWave as it's way more seamless.

BUT this is really a conversation for checks notes not this channel

[elfin fog]

Isn't this channel like offtopic where we can discuss about everything and anything?

[silent dove]

The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re looking for support and unsure where to go, check out https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 - it should help you find where you are going. This channel isn't for 'quick questions' - see above and post in the appropriate place. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

[old copper]

if I have mini pc with single ssd and I want to use Frigate NVR what can I do to get storage?

[weak musk]

come on guy.

[silent dove]

The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re looking for support and unsure where to go, check out https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 - it should help you find where you are going. This channel isn't for 'quick questions' - see above and post in the appropriate place. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

[weak musk]

https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284976732428046461

[reef bolt]

anyone here have a birdfy

[weak musk]

#1284966353798697001

[old copper]

I dont understand threads

[reef bolt]

here in discord or what?

[reef bolt]

is that to me?

[weak musk]

yes

[reef bolt]

very helpful

are you a bot?

[weak musk]

nope

[old copper]

yes

[reef bolt]

birdbuddy

[reef bolt]

its like another room about a topic basically

its where discussions go to die

imagine your at a party and someone is giving an announcement and you want to talk about that person over there with a friend you start a thread and it doesn't interupt the announcer 🙂

[old copper]

I cant even imagine me at a party...

[peak slate]

Pretty sure this is the raccoon discussion room though

[reef bolt]

@old copper here is what tis for: you ask something and someone say yes I know all about that lets chat in a thread not to muddy the water in the main channel

it can be effective its just not good for soliciting help or conversation

[reef bolt]

squirrels

and @scenic radish

[old copper]

watercooler is one of the best places to talk

because all people drink water

[fathom sparrow]

as long as it doesn't overtake the water cooler with support

which it always does, which is why -> post in separate thread

[reef bolt]

forums and threads aren't a good way to illict help

[old copper]

I dont want to start thread for such unrelated question

[reef bolt]

they fine for having organization

[weak musk]

Literally no one is forcing you to be here

[reef bolt]

I also am not sure that search works within threads?

[weak musk]

they are asking you follow the rules

[reef bolt]

you sure you're not a bot?

do you get new oil instead of soda?

[static sluice]

me on my lunch break:

[fathom sparrow]

it works, but people don't search anyways

[reef bolt]

ah thats probably true

[old copper]

I just asked what options I have if I need more storage on mini pc, this is not support, and now for 10 minutes we talk about why I cant ask it here

[weak musk]

advice = support

[reef bolt]

ill help you

[weak musk]

break fix = support

racoons = not support

[reef bolt]

you can use an external drive or replace what you have?

[fathom sparrow]

in the 10 minutes, you could have also created a thread and potentially gotten support

[reef bolt]

hes making stuff up

[static sluice]

https://tenor.com/bseWf.gif

[iron granite]

Those are the rules. You either respect them (even if you don't like them) or you look somewhere else for help.
They are not negotiable from case to case.

[old copper]

but its not related to HA

[fathom sparrow]

There's a whole channel for that

[weak musk]

(and it isn't this one)

[old copper]

well atleast on discord people follow the rules...

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/young-bucks-gif-7266789149756718550

[reef bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/list-amazinggrace-court-watching-scroll-gif-13488308

which channel is that?

[fathom sparrow]

#1284966582375813201

[weak musk]

You could find out here https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284976732428046461

[silent dove]

Rule 7

Use the correct channels or threads for your messages. If there's a better place for the current conversation then use it, and don't post or link to the same thing in multiple places. Also check the description in each channel before posting, as extended rules may exist for that channel.

[old copper]

Ender you trying to become Mod?

[silent dove]

Rule 8

Non-contributive or incoherent behavior which is disruptive to the community and conversations will not be tolerated. This includes bumping/unarchiving threads without contributing anything relevant to them.

[weak musk]

Yep, life goal right there.

[clear ferry]

Probably playing MTG

[fathom sparrow]

that was ages ago

we are now listening to support woes

[static sluice]

woah woah, no s*pport here - only chill

[iron granite]

Different time zone

[fathom sparrow]

complaining about support is technically not support

it is something you'd do at the water cooler

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-17677779115818009596

[iron granite]

Except when it is support.

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-im-in-it-for-the-money-i-expect-to-get-well-paid-first-order-stormtrooper-money-gif-26970974

[fathom sparrow]

I need help complaining about getting support, how should I start?

[iron granite]

Get a cool beer first

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/getout-gif-16327023334064302194

[normal moon]

My kegerator is not on Home Assistant for a reason

[fathom sparrow]

drunk 24/7

[lone dagger]

Oh excellent timing for me to not be in this chat.

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-running-away-run-away-running-away-laughing-laughing-gif-21904123

[fathom sparrow]

familiar faces too

[clear ferry]

Familiar feces

[reef bolt]

im loving this

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[lone dagger]

All I think of when I read Cajun accents is Gambit from X-Men. 🤣

[clear ferry]

I just go to that weird guy from true blood

[celest minnow]

I don't want to be out of place. Having an issue after 16.0 OS update starting the Frigate Add-On which worked before the OS update released for OSx86_64. Can anyone help me with this or have any experience about what changed?

[lone dagger]

"weird guy from True Blood" = literally all of them.

[clear ferry]

That weird Cajun guy

Not SOOOOKIE guy

Or the very bruja man

Or the very gay man

You know, the weird Cajun guy

Who was a serial killer

Or something

Wow I'm old

[iron granite]

#1284966582375813201

[clear ferry]

[lone dagger]

love this conversation with yourself.

[clear ferry]

You should monitor my office

"fuck I'm stupid"

"why the fuck did I do that"

"who the fuck is that"

[celest minnow]

That didn't popup when I clicked the channel before - i was trying to get to a list of issues. Thank You.

[normal moon]

The classic Star Wars “that conversation wasn’t going anywhere” but in The Matrix, nice

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/ironic-star-wars-chode-gif-5274592

[reef bolt]

you can curse in here? WTF

[unborn merlin]

does it look like a christian minecraft server to you?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/no-swearing-christian-minecraft-gif-256291489816930618

Ah, we can all just leave this channel when grok joins, good to know

[lone dagger]

Gonna have my friend's Gork bot join and all you can do is ask it "gork is this true" and it responds with "yea".

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-wojak-disboard-gif-25867562

[minor bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/officer-doofy-salute-doofy-gilmore-scary-movie-gif-2334220887873649701

[lone dagger]

In our new Slack org for the foundation, which has only been open a couple of months, I am responsible for more than half of our messages containing "fuck".

I'd be so cooked if I didn't allow cussing here. 🤣

[clear ferry]

You should learn Norwegian so I can learn you proper cussing

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/i-beg-your-pardon-what-did-you-say-excuse-me-do-you-want-to-repeat-that-kathleen-freeman-gif-17458156

[clear ferry]

You'd be concussed

[minor bobcat]

German is where its at

[clear ferry]

Nein

[minor bobcat]

Heilige Scheiße

[clear ferry]

I've played enough Wolfenstein to sound like an angry German

And three years of German in school, but I learned more in Wolfenstein tbh

[minor bobcat]

Just stumble over your words and shake your head violently as you go

Easy angry german

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/german-little-gif-11677190

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/wolfenstein-cake-gif-22751869

[primal laurel]

return to castle wolfenstein is my favourite

[clear ferry]

RTCW is great

But I love The New Order

[primal laurel]

also good yes

[clear ferry]

I like it dark

[primal laurel]

btw there is also Wolfenstein 2009 on PC but you basically have to pirate it because it's abandoned. I did not even know that game existed until last year

[clear ferry]

I played that on playstation

It was horrible

Only thing I remember was a sniper rifle and that didn't fit

I did play in the European RTCW:ET League for years

[celest minnow]

I was able to revert back to another boot slot and resolve my personal emergency for the moment. Here's a link to my issue: https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1392574589531328552
Not trying to interfere with y'all's admiration of the water jug and such. I'm open to recommendations if y'all have anything.

[lone dagger]

I absolutely hate the Diary of a Wimpy Kid series, lmfao.

Greg is a shithead who deserves no friends.

[celest minnow]

Assholes abound. Takes a special kind of ass these days to keep from spraying shit everywhere.

[lone dagger]

I just let the shit spray sideways.

[celest minnow]

eww... you nasty lol.

[celest minnow]

Case in point. 🤣

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-fortnite-battle-royale-star-wars-imperial-stormtrooper-gif-18697310

[clear ferry]

Why are you calling me Greg?!?!!

[celest minnow]

I don't think they were...

From a search on "who is the main character of Diary of a Wimpy Kid"

"Diary of a Wimpy Kid is an American illustrated children's novel series and media franchise created by American author and cartoonist Jeff Kinney. The series follows Greg Heffley, a middle-schooler who illustrates his daily life in a diary"

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-um-um-no-ok-ok-then-gif-17322627884171021768

[celest minnow]

Or were you feeling like you've been one?

Guilty conscience?

lol

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/balthazar-diable-ange-conscience-gif-8898145066599568515

[reef bolt]

I just had to tell me son to stop cursing - hes 18 but every sentence has a bad word in it and I said we are done

[lone dagger]

I use expletives as punctuation in my speech.

I totally understand your pain, though - trying to get my son to stop doing it doesn't...uh, work out so well sometimes. 😂

[celest minnow]

Studies show that people who use curse words increase their pain tolerance a measurable amount. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7204505/

[glacial knot]

you have a slack? Did joost lie when he said you work on discord as well?

[solar zealot]

ofc she does slack all day

:P

[glacial knot]

one of the crows? Or do you have a human child as well?

[lone dagger]

We used to be on Discord - we moved off of it a few months ago.

[lone dagger]

LMFAO I have a human child as well.

[glacial knot]

has it been so long? And the pins are still in limbo

[lone dagger]

oh my gods they are stuck in fucking customs in the UK.

[glacial knot]

oh no, what happened?

still? I thought you got them to Ireland 😂

[lone dagger]

I tried!

They didn't show up, and so we looked at tracking and they're still just sitting there, and it's really difficult for me to give them a call. Their email volume takes them weeks to get back to me.

[glacial knot]

at this point I'm surprised they haven't destroyed them but are still handling them o.0

[lone dagger]

I asked for details on why it hasn't moved and...they gave me the tracking number.

[glacial knot]

😂

[lone dagger]

I was expecting a "oh yeah you need to pay customs again" message. lol

[glacial knot]

oh yea, that'll happen once they are supposed to enter the EU. Unless someone carries them personally

I recently had to pay for a t-shirt and a DVD I ordered from the UK

[scenic ingot]

Just saw this https://youtu.be/th9ypRw3xBU?si=fMa_TXArSOVTNHTu - feels like it could be a really nice voice satellite... They're already using parts of the ha interface in their demo xD

[lone dagger]

But I haven't received any communication that I need to pay anything. 😂

Classic post office bullshit.

[glacial knot]

yea, they tend to be stubborn. Otherwise I'd say you should have someone with an @microsoft.com mail ask them if they can move faster

[glacial knot]

this looks neat

but the video is all I can find about it so far

[quartz copper]

Sorry guys, these channels change way too often for the frequency I'm here.

Which channel can I ask for device recommendations?

[unborn merlin]

but have you managed to get another server to remove their curse filter? /s

https://tenor.com/view/he-he-he-laughing-funny-lizard-heh-heh-heh-gif-5728538792722150615

[lone dagger]

lmfao technically yes.

[iron granite]

#find-support

[unborn merlin]

what server then? 🤣

[lone dagger]

Because of you rofl - I felt so bad you kept getting caught.

as hilarious as your messages were 😂

[unborn merlin]

lul

[quartz copper]

I've now had two different answers from two different mods 😂 so confusing

thank you anyway

[iron granite]

[unborn merlin]

wait.. is esphome just another server you own!? /s

[iron granite]

The other mod told you the exact channel. I gave you the information, how to find it yourself.

[lone dagger]

Not own....yet....

[iron granite]

We might assimilate them.

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-stewart-cyborg-serious-scary-gif-1000347867466686561

[lone dagger]

We assimilated the Music Assistant server.

B R A N D I N G

[unborn merlin]

its just missy again. /s

[lone dagger]

snort

[unborn merlin]

you broke my photoshop. /s

🤣

[lone dagger]

I was too genuine for it.

"We can't keep up, disabling."

For serious, though, I'm working on getting some things to support those 2 servers a little better. 😄

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-avengers-avengers-endgame-hail-hydra-gif-14699413

the open must source.

[stuck anchor]

my daughter quickly found out that the swearing filters in most gaming servers could be tricked by inserting formatting in the word. like a color change.

[lone dagger]

Yeah, a lot of companies just do block and allow lists, which don't cover variations.

It's both hilarious and incredibly frustrating.

[static schooner]

<fuck>you</fuck>

[stuck anchor]

she did get a lot of 24 hour bans on some game servers because other players reported her for swearing 😄

snitches...

[lone dagger]

@static sluice dragging this over here but HIIIIIIIII I didn't notice you join last month. That I will say my bad over.

[static sluice]

All good, I saw a message you forwarded and decided to join and see what's here.

[lone dagger]

A good portion of regulars here are familiar with me talking about the WinAdmins server lol, always fun getting more of you over here. 😄

[static sluice]

I have the same channels unmuted here as in the WinAdmins server kitchen, home and garden, and water-cooler/complaint department

[lone dagger]

So when the sun hits the planet....

Gonna sex educate people about the sun here let's go

Who's got 2 thumbs and Tuya isn't working for them again?

this person

[unborn merlin]

it may be easier for you to just learn to do KiCAD at this point and replace the whole board with a regular esp.. /s

[lone dagger]

YOU PROBABLY AREN'T WRONG.

Like I need more of those projects, though.

I haven't touched my e-ink displays in months now.

[unborn merlin]

tuya esp32 interposer boards when? /s

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

rebooting be like ^

[minor bobcat]

Get back at it! E-Ink is such a great waste of time 😅

[lone dagger]

I have some things that are already set up that need to be fixed before I can get back to those.

[eternal zinc]

Which screen is this? I've been considering grabbing an eink screen to play with.

Unrelated discussion, not asking for support: Is anyone actually enjoying Matter so far? It's giving me nothing but issues, and I wonder if it's better for others or not.

[unborn merlin]

it entirely depends on how the device works.. and how much/little of a shitbag the mfr has been

[eternal zinc]

Lmao.

[lone dagger]

I have nothing Matter in my house, so I am useless. 😄

[eternal zinc]

99% of my stuff is Zigbee/Zwave and it's so flawless, anything Matter has been irritating. Especially over Thread, but I know why my Thread stuff is busted, I just don't care enough to fix it.

[forest edge]

nothing matters in your house so you are useless? what an odd response..

[unborn merlin]

We'll tell Tuya to send their first matter devices to you.. /s

[lone dagger]

have we met? It's pretty on brand for me.

[eternal zinc]

Oh lord don't get me started on Tuya stuff either.

Don't wanna type it all out but bought 2 Tuya devies, used them for 6 months, gave up and returned them both. By far the most frustrating IoT experiences I've had so far. Aqara's Zigbee stuff not far behind.

They just sort of... stop working.

[lone dagger]

HUZZAH I got them both back into Home Assistant.

I just strengthened my Zigbee mesh with an additional extender.

Thinking of getting off wifi bulbs, too, moving to Hue Zigbee or something.

[unborn merlin]

missy getting the big bucks to do hue anything.

😛

[forest edge]

zigbee is nice for lights except I don't like how brand effects work with it vs wifi

as long as you don't care about blink etc then I would swap to zigbee

[lone dagger]

We get a smart home budget! And also they've dropped their prices recently, trying to compete with cheaper brands.

[lone dagger]

How do you mean, blink?

[forest edge]

well like how smart lights come with built in effects like blink or breathe, color loop etc

[lone dagger]

OH yeah no I don't use any of that for the indoor bulbs.

[forest edge]

for some reason using those with zigbee is kind of weird

[unborn merlin]

oh so its only two or three times more expensive now? /s

prime special yesterday ordered some govee matter bulbs.

to replace my slowly failing hue's and also..

actually plug all the fixtures in this attic with smart-bulbs.. since the rest are not.. because hue was always too fucking expensive

[lone dagger]

These lights always fall off my network so I am setting up an automation that sends me a notification whenever one falls out that has the title "Tuya strikes again". 🤣

[forest edge]

shouldn't it say, "why have you not thrown these away yet?"

[lone dagger]

Nah, they actually aren't that much of a headache, I just haven't sat to fix the 800 problems I currently have in my instance.

I am doing the same thing for one of my contact sensors, too.

[peak slate]

Get an ai to write a mildly mean sarcastic response every time one drops off the network

Or better yet, a Markov bot to do it

[lone dagger]

That's one of the things I need to set back up.

I've been using a local ollama instance set to Werner Herzog to write my notification messages.

When I upgraded my home network to fiber and got all new devices, I lost the connection between my PC and Home Assistant and haven't set it back up yet.

[unborn merlin]

just have it play this on speakers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q_ZzBGPdqE

[lone dagger]

I'll just throw on Yellow Submarine if I want to be mocked by The Beatles.

[stuck anchor]

https://youtu.be/l7-6m2cE6JM?si=Q6YTc9TQfVUH-PTS

[umbral cliff]

Since when is this hot? 😛

[umbral cliff]

Does your ollama instance swear at you too

[dawn badge]

getting it to reliably do this is something I struggle with

[lone dagger]

No, but that's because I don't actively use it, only when I need to write up notification messages.

[unborn merlin]

damn ollama has already released an update to compete with grok? daaamn they're real fast. /s

[lone dagger]

Gotta love being able to search this server to find something you forgot how to do. 😂

[umbral cliff]

What if you forget how to search