the-water-cooler

[fathom sparrow]

#1284966353798697001

[frigid mirage]

With the new update, is it recommended we reset all entity id's to default, or leave as is?

[nocturne orchid]

is there anything to hold text other than a input_text? i need it to hold more than 255 characters.

[dawn badge]

EXCITING NEWS! it looks like my neighbour got a new toothbrush

[crisp oriole]

Make an ai send him anonymous serial killer like threats when he forgotten to brush his teeth

[scarlet mantle]

What type of card is being used in this screenshot (from home-assistant.io) for things like floor lamp?

[iron granite]

Tile card

[sonic barn]

Is there a technical reason why there aren't really any Zigbee RF transmitter/receivers?

(Well, not that I could find easily.)

[primal laurel]

What do you mean zigbee RF? Like a bridge between RF and zigbee?

[sonic barn]

Right now, I have a zigbee IR Remote Control. I can use any IR remote and learn the code, which is sent through zigbee to my HA, and I can play it back or automate things. Pretty standard.
I wish I could do the same, but with Radio Frequency remotes.

[primal laurel]

hmm I dont know, combination of RF and zigbee doesn't make much sense I guess. Anything that still uses RF is either very old or very cheap and zigbee is neither

[sonic barn]

I disagree about it not making sense, but I must be in the minority if there isn't many such products.

[fathom sparrow]

can you turn on/off the toothbrush?

[primal laurel]

why would you go RF if you already have zigbee?

[fathom sparrow]

I think he wants to use zigbee to control things that are only RF, which somewhat makes sense. But I'd just use a broadlink or esphome device.

[dawn badge]

no but i can see when they are using it and what part of their mouth they are brushing apparently

[fathom sparrow]

Time to learn their schedule and casually drop the exact time they go to sleep whenever you see them

"oh I love coffee, but I have to get it in before I brush my teeth around 7:31 in the morning"

[dawn badge]

will see how reliably it gives me data. may automate external siren to go off for a few seconds when they start brushing (time restricted a bit) and see how long it takes for them to notice and question it

[fathom sparrow]

lol

[dawn badge]

will they question me or their sanity first?

[fathom sparrow]

are you in an apartment?

[dawn badge]

i switched on bluetooth proxies on a bunch of shelly devices to increase the chance of catching the data... and because it looks cool on the new visualizer

nope

[fathom sparrow]

you could get some sort of device that taps near their bathroom wall. And whenever it turns on, just tap the wall 🤣

[dawn badge]

lol

[sonic barn]

Can your neighbourg see your property from their restroom?

If so, add a light, ideally your porch light, and automation that turns on when they brush their teeth. Don't say anything, and act like you didn't do anything.

[dawn badge]

i dont think so. specially if its the one i suspect

spotlight at them would be good 😛

[sonic barn]

Nah, something subtle!

The power of gaslighting!

[dawn badge]

the external siren for a few seconds i think might do that

[sonic barn]

hehe

[dawn badge]

i could get a drone and have it launch and fly to their window with a speaker and tell them to brush correctly

"this is the government, please ensure correct brushing, thankyou for your time"

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/XG2L0Pq6ZaY?si=YBVM-rGqxyUtNaEO

[peak slate]

We seriously talked about building something like that to keep the cat off the dining room table

But it would need vision since the cat is stealth af

[tidal bronze]

This what she uses on you?

[fading harbor]

I considered doing that but with cabinet mounted sprayers

Tin foil for 2 weeks got the job done well enough though

[urban wadi]

Meh... looks like worldwide issues with Google Home. Nest devices and such.

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-yells-at-cloud-yelling-old-man-news-the-simpsons-gif-17741451

sometimes the cloud deserves it

even my Ecobee is having issues

[crisp oriole]

My discord is doing stangr

[desert cave]

google cloud and aws are both having issues, which means most of the internet is having issues

[crisp oriole]

Sigh.

Clouds are foggy

[peak slate]

https://imgflip.com/i/9x5yca

[static schooner]

I didn't see anything listed on Google's page, but Ecobee had a spike on downdetector

[ebon mesa]

Anyone able to select a card when choosing conditional for Mushroom Chip Card?
It doesn't let me select a card for some reason, I can only set the condition

[static schooner]

#1284965988642590891

[desert cave]

the whole downdetector front page is lit up for me

[static schooner]

My office is apparently also partially flooded due to a leak somewhere, so I'm calling "end of days" right now

you heard it here first, folks

[peak slate]

Multiple cloud outages it looks like

Did the data centers all go down?

[crisp oriole]

Funny but politics.

[peak slate]

I know that's all I'll say

Will even edit to follow the rules

[ebon mesa]

Just want confirm if it's a bug or not, the UI to select card isn't showing for me

[static schooner]

still

please post there

[ebon mesa]

Alright, no worries

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-not-my-supervisor-youre-not-my-boss-gif-12971403

[static schooner]

You never know with this Internet anonymity

I could indeed be the boss of you

[unborn merlin]

no no I know the guy I work with/for's discord.

😛

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/enough-sister-margaret-son-of-a-critch-109-quiet-gif-25125627

[crisp oriole]

Lol a friend is in detox and he took a image of the socal room and let AI add illegal stuff.

The nurses where confused

[atomic delta]

I'm guessing "unamused" might also apply.

[scenic radish]

homekit controller integration FTW

[static schooner]

I just happen to have the one also set up for no reason

Seems like just a liability now

[scenic radish]

wdym

[weak musk]

Mine too and unfortunately I have the lite which doesn’t work with homekit.

[scenic radish]

the 3 lite?

that's what I have and it works with homekit

[static schooner]

I don't use it and it just consumes log space when there are connectivity issues

[weak musk]

yes, it connects but it doesn’t stay connected. It’s a pretty widely known issue too.

[static schooner]

And makes HA unhappy, I guess, but doesn't seem to negatively affect anything else

[scenic radish]

Weird, I haven't had that issue

Every once in a while something gets wonky but reloading the integration or just waiting a bit fixes it

so I guess what I'm trying to say is

[weak musk]

lol exactly

Rob do you have your ecobee connected to HA via the cloud integration? Or not at all?

I know we’ve discussed this but I can’t remember

[static schooner]

Both HomeKit and ecobee cloud

I only use HomeKit

[arctic quarry]

up in here yeeting job applications like I'm playing Angry Birds

[unborn merlin]

yelling into the AI slop hole huh

[arctic quarry]

lol

[unborn merlin]

I mean.. that is where all job applications these days get fed into isn't it?

[arctic quarry]

I'd like to think Open Home Foundation haven't fallen for that particular scam

but yeah, it turns out "hiring the right people" is not something companies care about, so they dump it on the slopinator expecting good results

fantastic experiment, tbh

it's kinda amazing, if you think about it:

You have no skills, so you use AI for bizdev, actual code, recruitment, marketing, customer support, probably finance if you're a true techbro

it's like a bankruptcy speedrun

[static schooner]

Vibe Business Development

[arctic quarry]

now, I'm the last person to claim that AI is outright useless. It's a fun thing to toy around with, and I often use it for my little tinkerscripts. I used Claude to write a little Powershell script that lets me switch my display output based on an MQTT topic. But holy hell does it need strict supervision.

my fav is when it goes into a loop and like "ok I see an error, let me immediately downgrade your npm packages" and before you can stop it it goes "hmm it's erroring, I should upgrade your npm packages"

I swear to god I'm getting flashbacks to my kid's toddler years

[weak musk]

omg the quest for more money is becoming a reality

https://tenor.com/view/uncomfortable-dark-helmet-spaceballs-uneasy-shifty-eyes-gif-24854412

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/spaceballs-comment-gif-14299189829071183543

[tidal bronze]

Just like anything else in life, make better choices, use a better AI.

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/bigger-boat-jaws-gif-25985925

[desert cave]

use the best AI.. your brain

[glad wagon]

Hey! How does HA handle lights with multiple lightzones (such as the Hue Gradient Signe, it has 3) are they all considered as one? Does someone have this light and could they tell me (or others if they know how multiple lightzones in 1 light are being handled)

[grizzled gull]

Hey all!

Non HA question, but I know there's a bunch of hardware geeks in here, any reason not to do a SAS drive if I already have an HBA controller..... found a deal on 14TB drives for 99 bucks(renewed(used), but all my drives are)

[mortal walrus]

hmm. main downside is that if you only have one sas controller, you won't be able to read the sas drives on a different computer if something goes wrong. - at least until you get another one or replace it :)

[grizzled gull]

oh thats a good point. I didn't think about

My used enterprise drives are doing just fine, only drive's I ever have issues with are shucked WD white label drives, think my used enterprise drives are better then new whitelabel drives lol

least with SAS drives I know they are enterprise drives

[torn brook]

Is there a place where people post their entire home assistant setups?

[static schooner]

that isn't usually helpful for other people with different devices and needs

[torn brook]

I feel like I'm having trouble finding things that work directly with home assistant. For example I want a fingerprint front door lock, but a bunch of them seem like they also need a hub i.e. aqara

[static schooner]

that just sounds like somethign to post in #1284966353798697001 -> Recommednations

[torn brook]

thanks, I guess it does vary too much from house to house/person

i'll search in there

[grizzled gull]

Might be worth upgrading to https://www.ebay.com/itm/127087272250?_skw=lsi+hba+it+mode&itmmeta=01JXKD52X2NXY686Y2NPZRDEC4&hash=item1d96fde13a:g:mzMAAOSwDAloE~xN&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1fer28g%2BZ1yNWFy2V9tHK8wKsHw%2Bwbo2OYoxWElPk7dzyB7HjeJG5sX6T83oFOx8xqARWkM9SDSczWR84rIqG1RnSwD6cmyAkNvLl2fsEL%2FUkacAkmjkL7q1NbdZ2LxSC7q92AZ7RjYEniw2sfGxkAJ9Jlsv9LvJrzR%2BywUyZqUONKwSF8OWRcvZ7jPuTGjb4hwnZ5IJuNeCZl2gPvnDVy8AoRos7KSKjxk2zUqvZTkzLQOjN8lYxgZunNWozqytcA%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR9iulO3sZQ and keeping my old card as a spare

[torn brook]

Usually you don't want "wi-fi" devices. Just z-wave or zigbee is preferred am I getting that right?

[hoary canyon]

Depends but I prefer Z-Wave and or Zigbee

[tidal bronze]

But why, time and brain can be used to enjoy finer things in life. Not for mundane tasks. That's a waste. 😀

[desert cave]

Well, as soon as there's an AI to do my laundry, I'm all for it

[tidal bronze]

Laundry?

[desert cave]

yeah.. if there's one thing I want AI to do, it's cleaning and handling boring tasks for me, so I can enjoy things :P

[tidal bronze]

Hmmm that's not an AI issue.

[static schooner]

I recycle my clothing molecules with a replicator

[tidal bronze]

Make and model of this replicator?

[desert cave]

and I mean, I do have robots to clean my floors now.. That was one of the better investments I've made

[tidal bronze]

💯 you can also invest in getting laundry done.

[static schooner]

With my increased cat population, that has had a dramatic effect on how clean my floors are

[tidal bronze]

I wouldn't know what to do without my roborocks

[desert cave]

I have housemates..that's close enough to cats

[static schooner]

I wouldn't want to deal with those furballs

[tidal bronze]

House rules should solve that

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/hoarder-trash-omg-pile-disorganized-gif-8712372

[weak musk]

Do you(r help) still need to vac/mop or do you find the roborocks are enough? What model do you have?

[unborn merlin]

do the most unamerican thing ever

... get off your ass and clean yourself. /s

[tidal bronze]

I am OCD about dust. 2 x S7 1 x S6. Roborocks take care of night routines and some during the day.

[tidal bronze]

That was 20 years ago. 😀

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/he-he-he-laughing-funny-lizard-heh-heh-heh-gif-5728538792722150615

[forest edge]

don't you already pay for a cleaning service?

[tidal bronze]

Few months ago I implemented mopping every other night. I don't like any lines after mopping.

[tidal bronze]

Yes, every week day.

[forest edge]

blindfold would save you some money

[tidal bronze]

We are here for a very short time, might as well live it.

I am in love with agents.

CPA days are numbered

[weak musk]

Damn, sir.

[tidal bronze]

Some days are laundry etc. Not cleaning all the time.

[weak musk]

I read this to my wife and she was like “he’s either OCD or filthy” 🤣

[forest edge]

or too rich

[tidal bronze]

Trust me, OCD. Not a single family photo in the house since, frames collect dust.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/based-gif-19956334

[weak musk]

Fair enough. I think I’d get sick of having random people at my place all the time

[unborn merlin]

have you considered stopping doing coke?

[forest edge]

how does the white powder work with ocd?

you sneeze then have a heart attack from the freak out?

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/great-day-talking-wide-eye-gif-15382616

[tidal bronze]

Life has so much to offer. Why even bother 😆

@forest edge I ain't afraid to cross middle earth anymore. When wifi stops starlink kicks in. Not afraid of your black hole anymore. 😅

[forest edge]

always knew you would come around to musk

[static schooner]

Those states better not cross Elon

[tidal bronze]

Never!!!!! I have to support my wife since she wants to hold TSLA

[forest edge]

smart woman. investing in our future

[tidal bronze]

I will get her to dump one of these days 🤣

[forest edge]

looks like you might be in danger of getting dumped for some musk lol

[tidal bronze]

Tell me about it. She hates all the vehicles but wants to hold the stock. I will never understand women

[forest edge]

only ever need to just do 1 thing right lol

don't even think he has any competition at all.. sure the individual companies do but not the whole package.. not like bezo's is even remotely the same type of person lol

[tidal bronze]

I could care less. All my friends dumped theirs so it's a matter of time.

I was a believer years ago but after "Tesla Solar" things went into a downward spiral. What a joke. Ripped everything out and redid the entire system.

Half baked inverters and engineering told me pushing 125% capacity is "normal". Oh ok then

[forest edge]

you didn't like the solar tiles roof?

[tidal bronze]

I am not that stupid.

[forest edge]

i think there is a couple of youtube videos of people doing long term reviews of that

it's not about the inventions that flop, it's about the will to try them

jesus this species was 1000% more creative in the 70's then they have been for the past 30 some odd years

[static schooner]

there was so much more to invent back then 🙂

[forest edge]

just bigger dreams

[tidal bronze]

Threw everything tesla in the trash and went with enphase, couldn't be happier. I still have a energy monitoring ticket that's 3 years old.

[forest edge]

never heard of it

[unborn merlin]

or else he'll take his toys and stomp home like he threatened to with the rockets.. 😛

[scenic radish]

Okay I've seen the light and I stopped doing this and instead started using caddy a few weeks ago along with split-brain DNS

[unborn merlin]

less material limits had been slammed into*

[static schooner]

I suspect that he could just decide to turn off service to Missouri

[scenic radish]

Should have done that years ago

[unborn merlin]

I mean he alreayd did with the ukraine stuff.. if they dare to "fight back too hard" 😛

[tidal bronze]

Tax dollars at work

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/mrburnssu-mrburnssun-gif-22510204

I'll bet that's how it would be done, too

[unborn merlin]

elon musk: the actual welfare queen.

[forest edge]

wonder how many starlink users are here in this state

[unborn merlin]

if you find one of the 50+ something private keys trusted on the starlink hardware you can probably find out! /s

[tidal bronze]

400 mil EDU grant started all this. Talking about welfare 😅😅😅😅

[forest edge]

this criticism is probably why not many ultra rich bother trying new stuff lol

[unborn merlin]

yes because we'll hurt their tiny little feelings. 😢

https://old.reddit.com/r/WatchPeopleDieInside/comments/1jueh07/watch_worlds_richest_person_die_inside_as_he_is/

Tiny. Tiny feelings.

[forest edge]

you say that as a joke... but social media has proven how fragile we all are lol

[unborn merlin]

mostly rich pieces of shit actually*

[forest edge]

rich and poor alike

[unborn merlin]

a good chunk of normal people seem oddly enough to be a lot more resilient and less likely to pitch tantrums that shed hilarious money from companies.. 😄

[forest edge]

the inabilty dosen't make them better lol

[unborn merlin]

yes obviously the rich are the ubermensch.

and you will be proud to die in mines and for their wealth.

[forest edge]

some people actually enjoy the work they do

not all of us are slaves being whipped to do something we don't wanna

[tidal bronze]

Going back go welfare 🤣

My tax dollars at work!

[forest edge]

I been saying it all along how silly you cali's are...

I get flack when I bring it up then you turn around and post proof and complain about it.. how typical

[tidal bronze]

We like to give chances, well we can, being the 4th largest economy you know.

[forest edge]

confused.. are you still complaing or did you 180? lol

[tidal bronze]

If we didn't give a chance there will he no Tesla. Why you thought AK was going to go out on a limb to develop EVs?

[forest edge]

what else you all going to do with that money? grow more grapes?

[tidal bronze]

Grapes would've been better.

[unborn merlin]

give your states welfare, usually.

😉

[forest edge]

cali is doing both

if they weren't spending money like it was nothing they would all wither and die

[unborn merlin]

Its gonna be rather funny when a hurricane next hits and a southern state is erased and doesn't get funding because its just gone.

well.. at least those tax cuts for the rich got paid for and cut your medicare!

[forest edge]

you should just embrace the musk.. your grand and great grand kids will be learning how great he was

[unborn merlin]

nah, I'm not bringing any children into this damned world. 🙃

esp not with the inevitable child labor force that will be built in the next 4 years to replace all the migrants that tax dollars have gone into harassing.

https://tenor.com/view/citywok-southpark-cartman-childlabor-gif-5727483

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-edna-no-politics-gif-25375116

[stuck anchor]

it isn't politics anymore. it's history. 😉

[atomic delta]

Uh... guys, I think I broke it.

[forest edge]

Z2M windfront frontend was short lived lol

[tawdry stirrup]

I saw in some HA release log that something was done for 'immich' integration. Just out of curiosity checked what it is, installed that service to my file server and I'm so in love with that! Awesome services which are unknown until you accidently crash into them.

[hoary canyon]

lol, that's nice. Saw it in the Open Home Foundation listing

[atomic delta]

I'd love to work there tbh. Probably need to flesh out my programming skills first though.

[glacial knot]

mhh, I need to remember to do myinternet reimbursement request

[forest edge]

wonder just how big that smart home budget is considering a lot of smart home stuff is not cheap

[atomic delta]

Fair question.

Oh, they want people in Europe. I'm out by default it seems. :P

[desert cave]

well just move to Europe :D

[glacial knot]

Upgrades!

[atomic delta]

Honestly, at the rate the US is going...

[desert cave]

that's one reason why I'm moving

[atomic delta]

Not so easy for me to move, but we'll see if the shit hits the fan.

Lol, playing with Hermes3 LLM via HA and I just had a conversation that had to include "Are you sure?"

It tried telling me 950 hPa was 33.5 inHg.

Which would be a bit... spicy.

[glacial knot]

inHg

[forest edge]

moving to europe.. gross

[crisp oriole]

Radar LOVE!

[forest edge]

not gonna lie. I thought he was dead.

https://youtu.be/ewKuhclROA0?si=bHsBA5h5v2t085Vy

[arctic quarry]

same, turns out he's very much alive and also 98 years old

[peak slate]

Dang those are good benefits, but also for node.js which is not my specialty

Maybe they'll need another embedded c dev at some point

[primal laurel]

FYI, the parental leave is below the minimum in NL. Here you would get 16 weeks

[peak slate]

Here it's only 12 weeks required, but I'm not surprised it's higher across the pond

[glacial knot]

WAT? Those are good?

[clear ferry]

Here it is 40 weeks for both parents, 15/25 father mother usually, but you are free to distribute

We also get 28 weeks from the company

[primal laurel]

yeah ours is shit

but not US shit

[clear ferry]

The 28 weeks is global btw, even my US colleagues get it

[forest edge]

but don't you have to apply for a breeding permit? and a maximum of 10 norwats may breed within a year

[clear ferry]

Yes, but attractive women like myself are in the front of the line

[forest edge]

is "attractive" one of those words like the swedish word for final?

[clear ferry]

Yes, @last cedar is a final / empty

[peak slate]

So that's how you get good benefits here, get a remote job from a foreign company that supports their employees

Lol

[clear ferry]

But we are a US company

[peak slate]

Lol the main contractor on my contact doesn't even let you combine PTO with paternal leave

[clear ferry]

Lol

I still have 51 days of PTO left this year

[peak slate]

Luckily I'm a subcon which means I have more vacation and have an easier time taking it

Lol

[clear ferry]

That's a weird way of doing stuff, here it is the same for everyone

[peak slate]

I'm only a subcon because of my address too, Rather than a part of the main contractor

I can confuse people left and right with how it is to be a contractor here

[glacial knot]

yea. I get the better of hte legal minimum and GOOG's global policy (which is US aligned) which makes for a quite nice set of benefits

[forest edge]

I had skipped over the 2025.5 and just got hit with that paper-item-icon-color change. which is still being a problem but anyway diving into wtf was going on realized the custom button card is no longer being maintained. that is scary!

that has to be the best card ever made

[peak slate]

Fork it and start maintaining it!

Or make the fix and PR

[static schooner]

I don't Petro will let it die

I moved over to mushroom template and it does most of what I need

[clear ferry]

@last cedar

[static schooner]

I think this is also a sign of the coming apocalypse:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/hammerhead-shark-falls-sky-disc-golf-south-carolina/story?id=122773035 Hammerhead shark falls from sky onto disc golf course in South Carolina - ABC News

[clear ferry]

Almost heaven

South carolina

Hammerhead sharks

falling out of skies

[iron granite]

Sharknado

https://tenor.com/view/sharknado-horror-shark-shark-attack-oh-hell-no-gif-5417132

[arctic quarry]

we made the mistake of having a Sharknado watch party

it was fun for about 5 minutes, then everybody was just up in my living room watching a shit movie

[plush patio]

isn't there any sort of HA general channel? I mean for talk or questions outside of threads

[static schooner]

No

Pick an appropriate channel and post. You'll get your own chat

[terse elk]

hey everyone, is there a channel where we can discuss about issue ?

i saw the different suport channel just over this one but i'm not sure on how to use them

[static schooner]

#find-support

[forest edge]

I had to open dev tools in chrome, click on network then select disable cache then hit ctrl + F5 in order for it to finally clear the cache to fix the the state-icon-color thing

[scenic radish]

did empty cache + hard reload not work?

[plush patio]

Yeah I understand how threads work: was merely asking. Personally find exclusive threads somewhat similar to premature structuring. But preferences surely differ.

[terse elk]

ok thx but i can''t find my pb

[fathom sparrow]

next to your jelly

[weak musk]

Or in your soldering station

[static schooner]

You need to post.

[terse elk]

ok i see

thx you

[primal laurel]

gotta keep training. You'll find it

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/bootylicious-beyonce-jelly-destiny-child-gif-19935144

[hearty palm]

i wonder if someone will update the elgato integration to support the stream deck now that elgato is releasing a network dock for normal decks

tbh i believe that the potential would be huge for a smart home

[weak musk]

be the someone you hope someone else will be

[hearty palm]

i mean tbh i wish i could do smth like this but i have no clue how to program anything in python i only know just a bit of lua

[primal laurel]

that's how many people turn into a programmer, to fix something they use

[forest edge]

no. it was being very stubborn

[atomic delta]

I mean, I'm learning C/C++ properly now so I can build a z-wave device because the lack of existing tools is lame.

[primal laurel]

silicon labs?

[atomic delta]

Yeah.

Is there even another option?

[primal laurel]

I dont think so

[atomic delta]

Using the ZGM230S chip. Don't care about A vs B variant, since security is really irrelevant for a swamp cooler controller.

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-i-live-alone-my-swamp-me-nobody-else-gif-22217084

[split grail]

HA can connect to bluetooth stuff right?

[static schooner]

yes: #1284966617670881350

and a search in the docs

[split grail]

thought so

I just didn't know how or what hardware was needed

[static schooner]

all in the docs: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/bluetooth/

[neat shell]

Not really sure where to post / ask about this. Did a lot of online searching and cursory search through the discord here. Ive tried arp-scan and network scanner integrations to no avail. Is there a method to display device ip+mac's of anything connected on specific interfaces to a card?

I was going to have my host do a cron arp scan to file and then mqtt that out but that feels convoluted. I still havent wrapped my head around parsing MQTT as a sensor, i've set one thing up, but that was with a lot of assistance from an ai.

[split grail]

so what, like these things? https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ESP32&crid=RE6UFM77AMI8&sprefix=esp32+%2Caps%2C130

[static schooner]

there's a whole list on that page

please read through that page and post in #1284966617670881350 with questions

[split grail]

yeah I got to the esphome page which is why I was asking. I was just confused because it had prongs so you could connect it to a pi or something

[dawn badge]

m5stack make some premade stuff that can be used as a BT proxy and is more of a off the shelf package. but move to a support channel if you want further advice

[split grail]

gotcha

[neat shell]

ESP32's are dirt cheap, not the greatest range, but cheap enough and versatile enough that you could come up with a lot of coverage solutions if you were clever with their usage.

[robust plume]

I'm trying to simplify my dev workflow, I've been hella lazy lately and have ChatGPT just generate code for me in canvases but it eventually just bogs down or I get lost in the files...

I've been trying to get Copilot Chat working w/ vscode-server as a first pass but this has been a bust (I could get copilot but not chat biggest hurdle here was it seemed you had to figure out what version of vscode-server was compatible with the two Copilot extensions, ultimately it was just too much work).

My plan b seems more flexible (I could use Cursor, Flexpilot, etc)...

Have any of you successfly stored your config in Github and gone the route of syncing it/deploying from there?

Any resources to look at?

[split grail]

yeah all I'm trying to do is connect a bluetooth meter to wifi so HA can see the info. I'm new so it looks like there's 8 million micro versions of the boards and if you get the wrong one it just won't work at all so I'm pulling out my hair lol. I'm not a dev so all this stuff is confusing

[dawn badge]

if you go to the channels and roles section you can get the dev role. this will allow you to see the dev channels. you might have some better luck asking in there

[robust plume]

To clarify I'm just doing yaml configuration using the LLM.

I'm honestly surprised this isn't being pursued, LLM voice assistant is neat and all to interact with devices but being able to ask it to create/edit config seems super powerful, I spend more time tinkering with that.

[dawn badge]

there is some stuff being looked at for more integrated stuff for llms helping write automations i beleive

[neat shell]

When you say "the boards" you mean esp32 board, or ? Any of the esp32s should work really, what meter is it?

[split grail]

it's the victron smart shunt. I was going to use it to monitor my batteries but it's bluetooth only and pretty far away

[neat shell]

Looks like this is what you need: https://github.com/Fabian-Schmidt/esphome-victron_ble

Its been several years since I have deployed any ESPHome solutions, but I remember they were beginner friendly for the most part.

[split grail]

this is the easy part. the hard part is finding the correct ESP32 hardware

[dawn badge]

litrally any esp32

[neat shell]

Ive been using esp32-c3 super mini's alot lately. Really diggin em.

[dawn badge]

THIS is a common off the shelf one

[neat shell]

AH m5 stack hw really has come down in price

[weak musk]

I typically use #1284966353798697001 for this type of convo— anyone else?

[young sigil]

Ya'll want to take this support chat out to #the-workshop ? (For DIY stuff).

[split grail]

yeah

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze like the new promo you are all pushing out. https://youtu.be/BtvB_gtjlmY?si=w6I8X_JcHEudGcI0

I think that song was ai generated and performed. that is insane

[tidal bronze]

It's been long 24 hours.

[forest edge]

run out of wine did ya?

[static schooner]

these are boom times for liquor stores 🙂

[tidal bronze]

Flying 10 hours for a 2 hour meeting is not ok I guess

[forest edge]

The things you must do as a Weiner mascot amirite

[tidal bronze]

Landed in NY 8:30 AM, 4 more hours to LA. Wife thinks I am losing my marbles 😅

[forest edge]

Pretty sure you had to have some to begin with

[tidal bronze]

Lmao

I seriously don't understand dog walkers

[forest edge]

Like how it works? lol

[tidal bronze]

How many I got through every year.

[forest edge]

oh well look at the type of job lol

especially if you are using a service that essentially subcontracts people out

[tidal bronze]

Well it's Rover

[forest edge]

yea so that type of job already doesn't exactly pay much and on top of that you got a middleman taking out their cut lol

[tidal bronze]

$38 for 30 min is bad?

[forest edge]

anyone doing that to try and pay bills is ultimately going to end up badly. only those who do it as a hobby, as something they enjoy doing and has nothing to do with money would be worth a shit

38 isn't thier cut lol

[tidal bronze]

I have no idea what the cut is but surely 3x better than uber and lyft

[forest edge]

not necessarily

[tidal bronze]

Average LA uber revenue 6 to 7k a week. Rover better they say. I don't know soup to nuts.

[static schooner]

I sense an opportunity to tie a lease to a bumper

traffic is slow enough, right?

[tidal bronze]

Right!

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge the bad ju ju that I feel around here........

[forest edge]

Fargo? wasn't that in a movie

[tidal bronze]

Don't know about Fargo but smells like KC

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-time-for-barbecue-bbq-grill-happy-gif-4302519

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge

[forest edge]

the good ole "long" gone days huh

[livid flame]

hi. where would i go to report a bug with HAOS on multiple networks?

[static schooner]

#1284966540617449515

If you really think it's a bug:

[silent dove]

Want to see what issues are open (or were open and are now closed)?

• The core (backend) - for HA itself, and integrations
• The frontend (UI) - for cards and display issues
• The Supervisor
• HAOS
• The documentation

Don't forget to check for any alerts

If you think an upgrade broke something then:

1. Downgrade to the previous version to check if it works correctly there
2. If it does then change the logger settings for that integration to debug
3. Upgrade to the new version again
4. Look in the logs for errors
5. Open an issue, following the template provided and including the log information

[livid flame]

It's definitely a bug, I'm trying to browse source to see how HAOS is working. It's related to the fact that I think you're causing asymmetric routing in my network, because you're missing ip rules to send reply packets back out of the originating interfaces.

i'm not sure if you're relying on network manager to do this properly (which it may be, but also may not?) so I'm trying to find out

[glacial knot]

oh, multi-homed server?

[livid flame]

yes

is there anyway to get to the actual host layer? i want to inspect the network manager configuration, but i can't seem to get there 😦

i have no idea how else i would debug this problem

[glacial knot]

NM should have nothing to do with it. What kinda traffic do you see going out the wrong interface?

[livid flame]

replies

[glacial knot]

doesn't use HAOS but does stupid things at work

[livid flame]

i've had multihomed servers for 20 years, i know how they work 😄

[glacial knot]

ICMP? UDP? Shouldn't be TCP since that attaches the IP with the 4-tuple

[livid flame]

but i switched to HAOS because the venv setup i've had for the past 10 is apparently no longer supported.

[livid flame]

you need rules in linux to force the TCP to go back out of the incoming interface. without them, it'll send on whichever is the "lowest metric"

which is wrong on my HAOS, and I have no way to change it

and i can't add ip rules either, because i'm in a docker container 😦

interestingly, i seem to be in the root network namespace, so i can see the NICs and their bindings and the ip rules

[glacial knot]

yea, lowest metric with the correct route

[livid flame]

unfortunately, there's two routes to a couple of things on my network, because i have imperfect network separation.

(specifically, my desktop computer)

this means ssh and a few other things, i connect to the "proper" DMZ interface - the one that everything should go to, and it replies on the LAN interface instead, because it's listening on the LAN for a few gadgets that are connected on the LAN (thanks, mdns discovery for not propagating).

opnsense sees the "asymmetric" packets from HAOS on the LAN and kills the persistent state inside itself after 30 seconds and RIP ssh terminal

(rather, it actually fails to see the asymmetric reply packets from HAOS)

interestingly, i think this is also affecting a couple of devices on the WIFI because WIFI can see the LAN. So they're glitching in and out of existence.

so what i want to do, is inspect the actual host level network config. no idea how to jailbreak out of the docker onto the root

yeah. it's killing the car charger. the connectivity is lost every few minutes because of asymmetric routes

Sad charger noises

[glacial knot]

honestly sounds like an issue that needs fixing on the infra level, not per host
Have you tried using DHCP 121 options (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3442) to roll out more specific routes than 0.0.0.0/0?

[livid flame]

that'd require me to use dhcp to serve the static addresses to HAOS

[glacial knot]

Yes

[livid flame]

i think it might be easier to abandon HAOS to be honest. This has been nothing but pain

[glacial knot]

if you come from core, just use docker 🤷

[livid flame]

what's venv?

was that core?

[glacial knot]

yea

[livid flame]

right now i just want my charger to work again.

i think the routing weirdness broke my car charger. i had to go to the breaker and powercycle it for it to come back again. heh.

[desert cave]

network connected EVSE?

[naive arrow]

where to chat with random ideas/questions

[iron granite]

It depends. #find-support helps to find the right channel for the question in question.

[naive arrow]

ty

[last cedar]

🤣

[last cedar]

What is this?!

[crisp oriole]

Yes optional res for my win 11 vm from both my laptops in seperate tty

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze be a pal and come give me a hand. https://youtu.be/MyjFu0CbXTc?si=W4jYGIN5XAf1lMP6

[stuck anchor]

this is just the find find-support channel

[hazy nebula]

I have a very controversial question : what is everyone’s favorite presence sensor?

[iron granite]

A dog. Preferrably a German Shepherd.

[hazy nebula]

Bahaha

Electronic*

Is the dog addon available in HACS

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-robot-dog-gif-10350529

[crisp oriole]

Goos also work great

[clear ferry]

Goosberries

[peak slate]

A dog furby hybrid

[hazy nebula]

Someone please answer me for real!!

[static schooner]

It's for #1284966353798697001 -> Recommendations

[peak slate]

#1284966353798697001 is the right place to ask

Here will be all meme Worthy answers

[static schooner]

Ask in a shitpost channel, get a shitpost answer

[peak slate]

hey its not 100% shitposting, just like...... 99.9%

[crisp oriole]

Yeah there is mental support

[unborn merlin]

@lone dagger this is what you're building right?

https://tenor.com/view/he-he-he-laughing-funny-lizard-heh-heh-heh-gif-5728538792722150615

[crisp oriole]

If it was pink you had me convinced

[stuck anchor]

if you just do a search in hardware you will see that the question has been asked multiple times there quite recently.

[tidal bronze]

How rude!

[normal moon]

And yet…

[static schooner]

Just dropping truth bombs...

[crisp oriole]

Do you swear to drop only and nothing but the truth?

[tidal bronze]

I am moved and confused!

I am wondering whether it's ok to track wife's proximity to home in ft or miles?

[iron granite]

Depends on if you prefer feet or miles.

[ocean oar]

Hilariously the documentation is inaccurate. https://developers.home-assistant.io/docs/core/entity/sensor/
Does not acknowledge the existence of feet as a unit.
Kilometres, metres, centimetres, millimetres, miles, nautical miles, yards, inches.

But all of this said, I suggest you buy a navy blue blazer with brass buttons, a white hat, start insisting everyone calls you "captain", and switch to nautical miles

Final answer, and I will not be taking questions

[primal laurel]

those are internal units, you can have separate units for the frontend

[ocean oar]

TBH I'm more outraged about centimetres being legitimised as a unit

That unit needs to go away, the sooner the better

[primal laurel]

im outraged yards and inches exist in the codebase 🤢

[static schooner]

It costs more to make a centimeter than they're worth. Like the penny

[primal laurel]

the fr*nch came up with it, blame them

[hoary canyon]

I agree that yards are dumb, seems like no one here even knows a basic representation of it (even in America 🤣)

[primal laurel]

'cups' as used in recipes is even worse. WHAT CUP? WHAT SIZE? HOW FULL?

[hoary canyon]

yeah that annoys me too

Fahrenheit makes the most sense out of any American unit IMO

More accurate temperature readings without diving into decimals

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-please-leave-get-out-move-gif-3579774

[static schooner]

Celsius is how water feels, kelvin is how the universe feels, Fahrenheit is how humans feel

[primal laurel]

you know many humans that feel great at 100 fahrenheit?

[static schooner]

It's hot but not cooked. That's the point

[peak slate]

what about rankine

awww the FFF system doesn't have a dumb temperature to go with the rest of the dumb units

[unborn merlin]

good thing that inches aren't based on met-- whats that? the inch is based on metric measurements?

🙃

[forest edge]

speaking of cooked

[unborn merlin]

dumb ass measurement..

[ocean oar]

Oops, all Metric!

[static schooner]

Pffft, it's really the length of an inchworm

It's in the name!

[peak slate]

Lol it's the length of a knuckle

[forest edge]

@last cedar kill it it's out during the day it has rabies!

[crisp oriole]

Pimped my hp stream 14.

[unborn merlin]

the rest of it of course.. 😛

and src. 😄 https://theoatmeal.com/pl/senior_year/science

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/km-km-meme-wtf-is-a-km-wtf-is-a-kilometer-kilometer-meme-gif-14839816022793795860

[fringe dagger]

I should give the garage a better name

Computer close the ratgdov32 bb1b94 door

[weak musk]

Like Jerry?

[static schooner]

Car House

[unborn merlin]

just saw reports of..

the LAPD and LA sheriffs departrment shooting at each other

hilarious.

https://tenor.com/view/he-he-he-laughing-funny-lizard-heh-heh-heh-gif-5728538792722150615

bit too trigger happy with the rubber bullets and tear gas it seems.

[clear ferry]

[arctic quarry]

wild

[molten ridge]

it is so weird that US Americans actually know kilometres but for some idiotic reason they call it clicks

[clear ferry]

Hah

I've never thought about that

[runic forge]

What's wrong with centimeters? Seems pretty useful for stuff too small for meters but too big for millimeters

[scenic radish]

You misunderstand, they're talking about the centimeter's evil twin, the centimetre

[glacial knot]

Nah, human would be:
bloody cold, cold, comfortable, hot, bloody hot

No numbers requried

I half want to cycle a bit and get some ice cream
but I also don't want to be outside in today's temperatures...

[molten ridge]

centimeters is american english, that's a paradox and shouldn't be allowed 🙄

Also it is called metric system, not meteric system, that already implies that it's wrong 🤷🏼

[glacial knot]

yea, that's why those devices used to measure things are called metres

[scenic radish]

|| I was just making a joke ||

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-raa-gif-14938908953589068603

[runic forge]

LOL, i spend too much time talking to americans so use meter without even thinking

[static schooner]

You're not going to find normal people on the street that use that. I suspect that only military types would use 'clicks'

[forest edge]

Klick is actually the spelling since it was slang

lots of "reasons" why and when it came about but I think the old map and compass reason makes the most sense

[glacial knot]

It's Meter in German
So I'm just using that in English as well 🤷

[forest edge]

sure it's not flukenflakenag

https://tenor.com/view/bring-on-the-fluggegecheimen-fluggegecheimen-флюггегехаймен-gif-16111558

lmao

[iron granite]

[forest edge]

but they weren't done!

[iron granite]

Someone was too trigger happy for the second part.

[static schooner]

we'll never know how it ends

[forest edge]

now we'll never know the ending

[primal laurel]

what happened

[iron granite]

Nothing.

[primal laurel]

sure

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/fizzer1k-5597-3689-move-along-nothing-to-seehere-gif-12353147

responsible parties have been dealt with

[runic forge]

Interesting, it's metri in Finnish so would have guessed it was something similar since the languages have some commonalities

[glacial knot]

I'd still call that similar^^

[red rock]

Ei perkele

[keen holly]

Does HASS have any support for hardware 2fa like a yubikey?

[fathom sparrow]

um, mm, meters, and kms all you need. cm is completely skipped, at least in industry.

[iron granite]

Not directly. The Yubico Authenticator app, locked with a Yubikey, can be used for storing TOTP.

[glacial knot]

HA auth is sadly very normi home user

I need to look into that 3rd party OIDC/OAUTH2 plugin again at some point...

[primal laurel]

In EE we still need inches because of 'mericans

[fathom sparrow]

yeah but in industry it's only inches

there's no goofy conversions because we don't use anything else

[forest edge]

construction with metric has to be what people who go to hell experince

[fathom sparrow]

fwiw my american company only uses metric.

most of the medical industry is like that

areospace, defense, and auto is inches in america

residental & construction is all inches & feet, but they are weirdos

[primal laurel]

Everyone with a brain uses metric. But many years ago they thought it would be a great idea to set pitch in multiples of 0.1 inch and changing something like that is impossible now

[fathom sparrow]

as someone who uses both pretty much daily, they both have their uses.

[primal laurel]

As someone who also does, no

[fathom sparrow]

🤷‍♂️ metrology says otherwise

[keen holly]

Thank you! I'm admittedly nervous to connect things like a monitored home alarm without the hardware key... Is the app method just as secure? Wether I use the yubikey app or maybe something like aegis?

[forest edge]

that second comment was pretty good

[glacial knot]

oh no, I've seen mm spaced ones...

they are annoying

[glacial knot]

nah. The only measure that has value besides habit is tsun

[forest edge]

people don't tend to give us credit. american's inherently have to learn both systems to the point where it's kind of like riding a bike in some areas. you see people from countries that only use the metric system and see them struggle with imperial is kind of funny

[forest edge]

liquids is like the worst

[arctic quarry]

but is it a meter stick or a yard stick

[primal laurel]

Whoop yo ass stick

[glacial knot]

yea, imperial volume units are ass

[urban wadi]

After the firebase outage I realized that I'm pretty dependent on notifications from the HA app. Anyone here use something as backup in case firebase fails?

[molten ridge]

we should ban imperial units on the discord server for the same reason we ban other languages than English, most people don't understand it and it makes it difficult for moderators. Like how the hell am I gonna give support if they write they have problems with a device that is 10 squarehedgehogs and 3 bald eagles away from their Home Assistant.

[unborn merlin]

https://github.com/BeryJu/hass-auth-header

[glacial knot]

I've seen it. And that would work with oauth-proxy. I'm mainly concerned about the app with that

[unborn merlin]

The Header Authentication Provider is injected into the providers, before the other authentication providers.

This ensures that Header auth is tried first, and if it fails the user can still use username/password.

[glacial knot]

yea, so I still need full user management in HA and keep passwords in sync (not that I ever actually change it), and can't reliably use weird auth on the IDP

[unborn merlin]

HA isn't intended to delegate users like that. so.. 🤷‍♂️

[molten ridge]

have you tried the ntfy integration?

[glacial knot]

yea. it'll never capture the enterprise market like that

[molten ridge]

it' called Home Assistant and not Enterprise Assistant for a reason 😂

[glacial knot]

but what about the poor people that live in the office?

Or work from home

[molten ridge]

I wonder what the instance with the most amount of user accounts is 🤨

[unborn merlin]

I mean I set one up in an office to handle the smart stuff in the office fine.. 🤷‍♂️

but its mostly just automation management.

[glacial knot]

yea, we considered using HA to manage some smart sockets for power saving

but then never got around to it

[sour lake]

so why does an input boolean return 'on' and not true or something

[unborn merlin]

the system manages itself, it doesn't really need users to poke it.

[unborn merlin]

because its a 'switch'

[sour lake]

yeah but why a string. wouldnt it make sense for it to be a bool

also how does openwakeword operate

[unborn merlin]

because frontend facing things.. are like physical objects more than anything else?

same reason locks/deadbolts are "locked" or "unlocked" not "true" or "false"

[unborn merlin]

by reading the wiki.

[sour lake]

i meant how do i like make it work cause i set the wake word but where is the function it doesn't work if i say ok nabu

[scenic radish]

All states in HA are strings

[sour lake]

but why

[scenic radish]

[forest edge]

broaden your knowledge base that's how.

[static schooner]

Please move further discussion about this to #1284966582375813201

[primal laurel]

Says you. Hahahhahaha

[static schooner]

It's like learning a new language

[molten ridge]

it's not about knowledge, I know what a mile and an inch is, not how much a foot though, it's about wanting to do math. Like for example if you write in Dutch or German or something like that, sure, everyone could use a translator, but you are putting the burden on everyone else. Instead you could just translate once into english when you post. Same goes for obscure units that only few people use, I will not bother converting it, I will just ignore it. If you want to broaden the amount of people that can potentially help, then use a language that most people understand and use a unit system that most people understand.

[primal laurel]

It's like learning Dutch. Great if you're here, useless everywhere else. And also you'll be fine here if all you speak is English 😂

[clear ferry]

Ha, like finnish is similar to anything except Hungarian

[forest edge]

but you already know what a "square" hedgehog is and what bald eagles are. That's more than the "click click click" I get when someone doesn't speak english so it's not a fair comparison right out of the gate.

[stuck anchor]

and poor dm is completely ignored.

[forest edge]

most tape measures in the US don't even have metric reading on them and to try and to "force" metric as the only unit of measurement for everything would limit this discord automagically

[glacial knot]

what? are you implying people know your silly units?

[glacial knot]

it's just the third root of the liter

[forest edge]

if I were say something is roughly 3 raccons long.. would you have an ida how long that is?

[glacial knot]

no

[forest edge]

@last cedar found your next target

[glacial knot]

doesn't answer the question though 🤷

[iron granite]

And what about hm?

[glacial knot]

... I'm seriously considering setting up a mini mqtt client on my laptop so I can have HA mute it when I go to bed
what have I become?

[dawn badge]

surely there's easier ways of doing that...

[glacial knot]

automated? I wouldn't know one

[primal laurel]

nm

[dapper berry]

Hey folks, where is the best place to find Frigate help?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/in-the-navy-village-people-they-want-you-new-recruit-disco-gif-16724663

on a more serious note #1284966582375813201 should be able to help you out

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/navy-losers-loses-gif-19543974

[dapper berry]

Thanks for the reply. I was hoping for something off-site because the majority of those posts have no replies.

[forest edge]

aside from the doc's https://docs.frigate.video/ all you can pretty do is google for what you need specifically or I hate to admit it, but ai like chatgpt/gemini is not horrible at helping ||really does all the work for you||

[tidal bronze]

gemini gpt deepseek

No more messing with HA dashboards and access control. NR to the rescue.

[daring jolt]

do folks ever discuss custom components here (wondering what the deal with circadian lighting / adaptive lighting / other forks maintenance is)

[static schooner]

That's for #1284966582375813201

[dark crow]

Any recommendations for a cheap but solid z-wave door sensor? Currently looking at 2nd gen Ring contact sensors that come out to about $15 a piece

[static schooner]

#1284966617670881350 -> Recommendations

[cursive kindle]

question i got one of those aquara temperature and humity sensors, setup with zigbee

why is it draning the battery so fast, i expected this to last 6 months not weeks

the controller is around 1 meter or less away from it atm

[solar zealot]

#1284966617670881350 or #1284966353798697001 kinda question

[calm ginkgo]

Is it in a freezer?
Cold kills the batteries fast.
Also is it blocked by a lot of metal. They have to use more battery to get signal.

[cursive kindle]

It says C not F 😄

there is a wooden door, between the sensor and controler

[calm ginkgo]

Didn't see your 2nd post.

[cursive kindle]

a CRAPPY wooden door, ikea like

[calm ginkgo]

That shouldn't cause it

I have had a few fail on humidity, funny thing the cheaper Tapo sensor is still humming along

I tried 2 of those Aqaras for the shower humidity, then grabbed a Tapo after the 2nd failure

[cursive kindle]

I need to get 4 more for my tiny appartment, as there is a big diffrence in temperature in each area

[calm ginkgo]

I thought the battery life was supposed to be 2 years on those

Have 2 in fridges and they do drain quicker

[cursive kindle]

Yeah, I read that some say it stabilizes around 60-70% so I am giving it a week more before replacing the battery, or maybe seeing if this thing is z-wave compatible

[fleet wagon]

Not a support question but something I’m wondering about, Homeassistant usually was used to test upcoming versions of thread/matter right? Hence being the first to get updates

But Apple seems to be on the latest spec and my skyconnect on same firmware for a while 🤔 is there a way for me to work out a planned date for when it’d be 1.4 aswell?

[static schooner]

Please post in #1284966617670881350

[civic ember]

Is it bad that I've become really lazy with ChatGPT and get it to write all my templates?

[iron granite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/744321107250774079/1272495162387468288/AI_Inquisition.gif

[copper forum]

yes

[primal laurel]

Nah. There are only a few people who know how to write templates and the rest of us just copy what they make

[dapper berry]

Chatgpt got me this far

[tidal bronze]

Best logic would be from Gemini

Gpt is not that great with jinja 😆

[crisp oriole]

I have yaml configs 18k lines long generated with phl

[atomic delta]

Hey now, I resent that, I threw shit at the wall until something stuck thank you very much.

[static schooner]

Cats rarely move faster or cause more damage than when they get tangled up in a plastic bag. The scary, noisy thing is literally following right behind them

[forest edge]

gemini is not that great with HA jinja limitations

[tidal bronze]

The issue is the distance between the keyboard and chair

[static schooner]

A lot of the online answers that I see regarding non-HA Jinja involve adding Python functions that you then call within Jinja, which we cannot do

basically, adding custom stuff to the environment

if I can't figure out how to do something, that's invariably the answer I find online

[tidal bronze]

I only encountered few issues but copypasta error and fixed. Nothing to write home about.

[forest edge]

some of the stuff it suggested I change in xsisting template sensors I tried to see if it could improve causes security errors in HA

was good stuff

[tidal bronze]

My goal is to spend least amount of time tinkering with stuff. Done it too long. When there is 90% help why bother

[forest edge]

tinkering is part of the fun

[static schooner]

it's the difference between a hobby and a job

[tidal bronze]

After 2 decades shit gets old.

[forest edge]

you just got old

[tidal bronze]

Lmao. Honestly I am digging for things to do with HA. Most of the AI stuff are just chats, and they stop at chats.

[forest edge]

jarvis isn't here yet

[tidal bronze]

Unless Jarvis keep it pretty silent, no thank you. Don't want to interact in any way.

[forest edge]

your going to be like those funny clips they add in movies and tv shows where something happens to the butler or maid or whatever and the rich ditz stands there dumbfounded as to why their drink hasn't magically appeared yet

[tidal bronze]

What I really want is an agent to go through guest calender, set house modes, email access codes for stay duration. Ask few questions about what they like for the temps to be like etc. Then that interaction is also out of the way.

[forest edge]

rotf

why even have guest

[tidal bronze]

Gonna try some n8n juice and see where that goes

[forest edge]

you obviously want nothing to do with them

[tidal bronze]

You then don't know how valuable is alone time. 😆 I see too mamy people

[forest edge]

you should watch that movie Multiplicity for some ideas how to solve your issues

[weary bone]

I'm updating my home assistant setup for the first time since installation last year. What can I expect?

(note: I have ADHD, and no dedicated HA display.. out of sight out of mind oooops)

[primal laurel]

Read the release notes if you really want to know

Or just yolo it

[weary bone]

Currently doing this. we shall see!

It already fixed HACS that was broken so I guess what can go wrong? (knocks on all the wood in the office.)

[robust flicker]

I wish my phone data connection would decide which music streaming option works. Some days, I can't get ultrasonic to move beyond "buffering" while streaming MA over snapcast works fine, other days it's the exact opposite scenario, where MA is constantly skipping and pausing playback while ultrasonic has no issues. PICK ONE

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/only-one-there-can-be-only-one-highlander-gif-12213479

[weary bone]

just a quick question: is this "Poll interval" A measure of polls per minute? or 10 minutes between polls? the readme doesn't seem to specify.

[iron granite]

#1284966582375813201

[primal laurel]

Between. That's the definition of an interval

[weary bone]

Right. I had to look it up. I understand what interval means... I get it.. It just wasn't clear what the number was. Eventually I figured it out on my own. it's the number of seconds between polls.

[primal laurel]

It says right there

Interval

[dawn badge]

well that explains why the pc shut off randomly

[static schooner]

I've had that happen to a power plug that I overloaded

[dawn badge]

pc had randomly shut off a couple of times then when it happened i heard a relay click so i pulled it out and it was doing that

shortly after there was a garlic butter incident and now i am on my backup keyboard

its not a great day tbh

hoping a cleaning and replacing of specific switches will resolve the keyboard issue but gotta wait for tomorrow for new switches

[static schooner]

sounds like you also wasted some delicious garlic butter

a tragedy by itself

[dawn badge]

was inside food and when i cut into it, it made a break for freedom

its a tragic comedy of chaos this evening

i am being punished for being on a "finish off some projects before starting new ones" kick

[primal laurel]

I have been thinking about a nixie clock with HA and WLED support

[dawn badge]

thats cool

[primal laurel]

I have had a set of 6x IN18 bulbs for almost 10 years sitting in some closet

https://www.hackster.io/news/charles-lohr-turns-a-0-10-risc-v-microcontroller-into-a-software-defined-flyback-for-nixie-tubes-aabafa76aa78

[peak slate]

Nixie clocks are cool, I have one with a motion sensor that turns off the tubes if no one is in the room

[primal laurel]

I made one as a course project in EE

[unborn merlin]

now turn it around and show your shameful wiring

😛

[primal laurel]

Everything DIY. Runs logic with some obscure russian high voltage chip

🤣

[unborn merlin]

not as messy as expected, too much pcb made! 😛

was expecting more like

https://tenor.com/view/voron-cable-management-gif-22392132

[static schooner]

the tape helps keep the high voltage inside

[primal laurel]

Etched those too. Using UV resist method

[unborn merlin]

small 3d printer, no real high voltages involved. 😛

[atomic delta]

Weak, build a Cerberus instead.

Context if you're not familiar:
https://www.3dnatives.com/en/cerberus-open-source-3d-printer-021020205/

I have a feeling a 500C nozzle does indeed take "high voltage"

[primal laurel]

These are Philips nixies btw. Quite rare. About €100 each nowadays

[atomic delta]

...So you're saying steal it, strip it, and sell the parts.

[unborn merlin]

... No?

even 24V can turn an aluminum hotend block to slag

[atomic delta]

I mean, depends on what you consider high

I was assuming it runs straight 120v. Maybe it doesn't. I never read that far in the docs.

[unborn merlin]

I mean my new hotend (havent installed it yet) does step up to a 48v heater.

it probably doesn't.

most printers don't send mains current to the toolheads.

[atomic delta]

Well yeah, but most printers don't do 500C either.

[primal laurel]

Nixie is about 180V

[unborn merlin]

my printer could also bring my hotend to 500c.

do I?

No.. because I have no need for that shit.

[atomic delta]

Right now the only high-performance filament I have to mess with is POM.

[unborn merlin]

which is fun and dangerous in its own way.

[atomic delta]

Yeah, it's... a thing.

[unborn merlin]

And also an absolute fucking bastard to print so I've heard.

[atomic delta]

It is

[unborn merlin]

I mainline ABS

[atomic delta]

I printed a heatset insert press out of ASA, but otherwise I avoid ABS/ASA.

[unborn merlin]

https://visionminer.com/products/htn-cf25

But I have a spool of this (apparently now discontinued) filament ready to go..

[unborn merlin]

you just need to learn how to contain all that extra flavor son. /s

[atomic delta]

Lick it

[unborn merlin]

nah.

but its doing what I want which is to keep the VOCs contained.

[atomic delta]

I printed some flanges and bought a hose to redirect VOCs out the window, but I haven't actually installed that yet.

I have an X1C though, it's not quite "sealed"

[unborn merlin]

most printers aren't.

I havent setup a vent system (yet) but I do plan to at some point.

[atomic delta]

This is true. I assumed you're using a homemade enclosure based on appearance.

[unborn merlin]

its a voron 2.4 its enclosed. 😛

[atomic delta]

I need to lube the lead screws in mine. I haven't been printing because I'm overdue to do that and I'm being lazy.

[unborn merlin]

I mean.. somewhat?

lead screws are somewhat self lubricating with the nuts usually

POM is POM.. and brass ones tend to have lead in it..

[atomic delta]

I think it's more to prevent damage from where the bed interfaces with it than the ends.

Well, them. Three lead screws.

[unborn merlin]

bed interface? 🤔

[atomic delta]

BambuLab X1C. Three vertical lead screws to move the bed up and down.

[unborn merlin]

... yikes just searched that up

they double constrain the lead screws.

amateurs.

😐

[atomic delta]

https://cdn1.bambulab.com/x1/smooth_swiper1_img2.png

[unborn merlin]

yeah; needlessly double constrained

learned my lesson on that in the past already.

[atomic delta]

I'm not actually sure it is in practice.

[unborn merlin]

it is, though

it has bearings on the top and the bottom.

also googling a bit..

https://wiki.bambulab.com/p1/maintenance/z-motor/right_side_down.jpg

[atomic delta]

Oh, that's what you mean. I thought you meant the rod next to the screw.

[unborn merlin]

they seem to be missing the entire point of the tri point bed screws.

[unborn merlin]

yeah; most leadscrews are not in any way actually straight because they're not precision devices.

so if you bearing constrain them on both ends.. they can bind up sometimes

made worse if the leadscrew nut is screwed down too tightly (ideally they should sort of "float" on their mounts)

look a comically expensive hotend. 🤣 (yet still cheaper/better than mosquito stuff..)

(for good reason mind you I know the guy(s) who worked to make it and such..)

.. still need to mod my printer to use it mind you.

[forest edge]

ew did someone say they put a pc on a "smart" surge protector?

[dawn badge]

yeah it was cheap at the time and i figured it was fine as a surge protector, and then down the line i started using another of the sockets to turn a fan on and off.

new single plug surge protector coming tomorrow to go on a regular socket strip and fan is moved to a smartplug

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze do you wish this was your stove? https://youtu.be/9OvibwfflDg?si=_OI3BDaIgEQs0Tb6&t=109

[novel knot]

UK 2 gang zigbee socket are on offer ATM https://www.smart-secure.co.uk/product/aone-zigbee-twin-switched-socket/

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/plug-life-sainsburys-gif-13023336

[unborn merlin]

ah yes all that "not stupid" plug 😛

[forest edge]

where was this the other day lmao

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2FExxHSmaNjb8EuY77r1OCu19__RpNJUSPtDnnoLjNFs8.jpg%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Da213d8e0032a5a6889dd79d70d0b154d482a0d41

[crisp oriole]

Atleast the most use 230 and you just need a vacation plug.

[forest edge]

lul

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmvvLK9k94liGPLumNIfc5dMIbm9TaVf_3HHDaQ7vbf4jCYBI5eKrzJs7vZAsV_Yrtw7A&usqp=CAU

[unborn merlin]

of course; in this case the EU plugs are safer in every way.. 🙃

since they tend to have plastic sheathing on the plug prongs until its deep inside and etc..

[molten ridge]

Every time I see those US plugs were you could touch the pins while inserting them, I think how fucking dangerous that is. But then I remember that it's only 110V, not 230V. Still dangerous, but less deadly.

[unborn merlin]

its cheap garbage is what it is.

😉

[crisp oriole]

Now im thinking of the xrated 9ties music clip plug me in plug me in

[crisp oriole]

Its the amps that kill you.

[molten ridge]

sure, unless people in the US have lower body resistance 🤔

[crisp oriole]

Im not sure if diet and lifestyle alter your resistance.

Could be.

[molten ridge]

Can we blame people for having 100 ohm less than normal people?

[crisp oriole]

Whoeps

[unborn merlin]

there was a challenge involving dropping pennies there I think right--

[weak musk]

Aside from the missing ground pin on this specific plug, what else is fundamentally different about the plugs/outlets you use?

[unborn merlin]

... have you never seen EU plugs that are protected?

[weak musk]

I don’t think so.

It’s been years since I’ve been to the EU

[primal laurel]

exposed live contacts are impossible on our plugs

[unborn merlin]

this.

style of stuff

or round ones with the same plastic sheathing on the live pins on the exposed areas

[primal laurel]

better

[unborn merlin]

either/or yeah

also they have full-home GFCI usually..

and panels that aren't pieces of shit too. 😛

[molten ridge]

yeah the good old times were you could kill someone with the hairdryer in the tub. Today it's impossible because the breakers cut the electricity so fast that nothing happens 🙄

[unborn merlin]

don't worry if its america just use an extension cord! because apparently its not required to have ground fault protection everywhere because.... reasons..?

[forest edge]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fjl4madu7boz31.png

wonder how many murders were caused by slinging one of those cords around

[tidal bronze]

What is that? A sprinkler?

[primal laurel]

bidet

[tidal bronze]

Ah ok.

Must be an ionizing one

[atomic delta]

Odd question. If you have say 20 of the same device, is there any way to push a firmware update to all of them at once?

I don't need to yet, I was just puzzling over how to design something and found myself curious.

Z-wave devices, if it matters.

[desert cave]

not that I'm aware of, but that would be useful for me, too.. I guess you could build a script that iterates through each device

[atomic delta]

Suppose that's true. I may have to consider that eventually. For now the devices don't exist yet, so it'd be a bit of a cart before the horse situation. :P

[desert cave]

yah.. I have 16 devices currently.. it does look like there's a Firmware entity for each

[atomic delta]

I figure OTA updates are probably desirable with homemade devices, since the odds of me not fucking up something are slim, and I don't want to have to remove the devices once installed. Especially since these ones go in the ceiling.

[desert cave]

oh yeah.. OTA updates are required. I'm not re-wiring all my switches again, lol

thankfully the OTA update process does work well with z-wave, it's just a bit time consuming, since you have to do one at a time

[forest edge]

zwave not have a thing like Z2M for zigbee?

[desert cave]

it might.. there's zwave-js-ui that I use to manage my devices.. I haven't done a bunch to automate things though

[atomic delta]

Far as I know it's just zwave-js and zwave-js-ui

But yeah, in my case I'm building two z-wave devices. One to control my swamp coolers, and one to open and close the ceiling-mounted vents.

That way I can have proper zone-based smart cooling.

I haven't yet decided if I'm going to install them in the vents in the 20' tall ceiling though. Getting up there is... tricky. Guess I could pay someone else to get up there though.

(slanted ceiling, vents are near the peak)

[desert cave]

I should finish up my DIY window openers

[atomic delta]

Oh that sounds like a pain.

Well, guess it depends on window type

[desert cave]

it's all horizontal sliding windows, so a linear motor will do the trick.. just gotta get the controller worked out and such

[atomic delta]

I have horizontal sliding windows, but they're vinyl frames and they bind up super easy.

[static schooner]

I took out all my sliding windows once and cleaned the track/wheels, and WD40ed them. They were awesome for a while

[atomic delta]

Automatic windows would make the swamp cooler device set perfect though. Swamp coolers need windows cracked open to vent the warmer air.

[atomic delta]

Not sure about wd40 on ours, but maybe a shitload of graphite powder.

[static schooner]

yeah, maybe I'll do that next. Some are starting to get sticky again

they're frickin' heavy

[atomic delta]

Windows tend to be

[static schooner]

and big and annoying

[atomic delta]

Wonder what graphite powder costs in bulk.

[desert cave]

sudden reminder of my old boss going on a rather long rant about "wd40 isn't a lubricant"

[ocean oar]

WD40 is not a long-term solution to anything, it's only meant for cleaning, and freeing stuck things. If it needs to be an aersosol you want silicone or teflon spray

Ha! Snap

[atomic delta]

A pound for $23. Not bad.

[forest edge]

horizontal sliding windows suck

[tidal bronze]

WD40 silicone or dry lube should do it.

@forest edge will this order work in middle earth?

[forest edge]

I mean the food sure.. understanding hippie.. thats a different story

pretty sure the dude outside the car taking the order would have punched the guy in the car a quarter of the way in that video if that was here

[tidal bronze]

Where's the ♥️?

[unborn merlin]

next time try an actual lubricant.. 😛

[dawn badge]

tis what she proclaimed

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/foil-arms-and-hog-punch-love-feel-the-love-haircut-gif-20415826

[unborn merlin]

PTFE dry lubricant would be best probably.

I dont say graphite because graphite is an absolute fucking fuck that will stain everything black if it gets anywehre.

[forest edge]

be mindful of what you use. some of those dry lubricants will kill your cats

[unborn merlin]

or take the window out and replace the sliding/rolling element to solve the problem..

[static schooner]

I'll only use all natural cat snot

[forest edge]

replace the windows with the one's that tilt out at the top

[dark crow]

Few months ago I found a site that broke down specific devices for home assistant and in particular gave them a rating on how local they were, now I can't find it. Anyone know what site I'm thinking of?

[solar zealot]

Finally

There is a beta update for the Shelly matter plugs

It fixes all the pesky shit

They work great now, especially with the in built memory so it doesn't always reset the statistics

[forest edge]

so it matters?

[solar zealot]

it doesn't now

Also the outdoor plug is very nice

They should have made 3kw variants tho

[forest edge]

you refering to the tp link one?

[solar zealot]

yuck tp link

[forest edge]

I still use the dual outlet one thats wifi. works every year without fail

[ocean oar]

I have one of the three outlet tp link ones under the house, runs two strings of decorative lights and a couple of IR floodlights. Works good enough

[forest edge]

they were better when you could force local only but eh they still default to it i guess

[ocean oar]

All of mine are old enough ("Kasa" branded) that they still are

[forest edge]

never updated?

[ocean oar]

Nope. Set up in about 2020 and never touched since

[forest edge]

because I unplug mine every year and they go months without power, keeping them with the original firmware wasn't an option since you have to use the app to set the ssid

[ocean oar]

Yep... 4 year old firmware

[fringe sierra]

hey all have a question about updating SMLIGHT core, which channel is the best place to ask?

[iron granite]

If you mean the Zigbee/Thread radio devices by SMLIGHT: #1284966617670881350

[round crystal]

Pro tip for anyone whoi wants a good cheap door sensor

IKEA PARSOLL is amazing

and $12

Super easy to setup and takes 1 AAA battery

also seems to last forever on that single AAA battery

I'm using IKEA LADDA batteries in mine.

[scenic radish]

I had issues with one of them randomly not sending state updates anymore and took a hammer to it lol

[round crystal]

lmfao

oof

how long did it work for you?

[scenic radish]

The other two seem to be fine, although they don't handle quickly opening/closing/opening well

[round crystal]

yea quickly opening and closing is a bit of a weak spot

[scenic radish]

It would work for a few weeks and then stop working until power cycling it

[round crystal]

It seems like they have firmware updates to fix a lot of these things

My Hue motion sensors are chewing through battery

[scenic radish]

They're really nicely made, I'll give them that, and they're even IP43 rated (or something similar, I can't remember)

[round crystal]

They really are for $12

I want to try an IKEA motion sensor but the reviews are mixed.

I only just got my ecobee presence sensors into home assistant last night.

I'll be honest, I'm not sure how I should use them.

[scenic radish]

Hopefully via homekit controller

[round crystal]

yea, I'm just trying to think of what to use them for

other than AC control

I also need to get more for my halls

[scenic radish]

Wow, Mr moneybags over here with multiple halls

Jk lol

[round crystal]

lol

dual zone ac too

don't be impressed. they're just PTAKs

PTAC?

@scenic radish so, any ideas for automations?

[scenic radish]

Ah gotcha lol

[round crystal]

I'm basically all hue bulbs

hue remotes

hue sensors

some ikea bulbs and sensors

[scenic radish]

Hard to say without knowing what you want to accomplish

[round crystal]

That's the issue, I don't know either.

[scenic radish]

I have my HA config on GitHub though if you're looking for inspiration

[round crystal]

So far I'm just using it to save power

[scenic radish]

Although it's a bit out of date

[round crystal]

Ok, stupid question

why do people use Zigbee2MQTT?

[scenic radish]

https://github.com/Tediore/My-HASS-config

[round crystal]

I found it

I don't get the appeal of Zigbee2MQTT vs ZHA

ZHA was just plug and play

[scenic radish]

Decoupled from HA, so updates to it don't depend on HA updates. Possibly more support for non-spec-compliant devices

[glacial knot]

Because Mqtt is nice

[scenic radish]

MQTT rocks

[round crystal]

But now you have to setup another daemon and a broker and configure HA to work with it

[glacial knot]

Yes

[round crystal]

vs ZHA just works

[scenic radish]

Which is E Z P Z and you can use MQTT for so much more

[glacial knot]

But I run Mqtt either way already

[round crystal]

What can MQTT do more than ZHA?

ZHA has been amazing

I just wish I could root my Hue Hub and run HA on there to take advantage of the Zigbee and Bluetooh modules

Too bad it's a 512mb ram box thing

[scenic radish]

it would run like shit lol

[round crystal]

to be fair my latest automation is a bit slow

[scenic radish]

comparing MQTT and ZHA are like comparing apples and oranges (unless you mean zigbee2mqtt vs ZHA)

[round crystal]

it's a giant option statement with tons of triggers

[scenic radish]

there's nothing wrong with ZHA. really just a matter of preference

[round crystal]

I thought Zigbee2MQTT was so you could use multiple hosts to forward Zigbee devices that are too far again from your HA server

Like a Pi Zero acting as a relay with a Zigbee module in the far part of your home connected to ethernet just to act as a relay

[scenic radish]

that's one use case

[round crystal]

I know some people have homes big enough that Zigbee can't route

[scenic radish]

i don't envy those people lol

[round crystal]

I kinda do

My condo is 1100sqf

but it's also my first ever condo

Ok, so lets say I want to get Lutron switches

Does Cassu Naba make Z Wave modules?

[static schooner]

Soon™️

Controller/'antenna' at least

[round crystal]

Is the Cassu Naba zigbee module worth it?

The attenna seems tiny

I'm using a Sonoff

[static schooner]

It's Nabu Casa

[round crystal]

I just woke up