the-water-cooler

[tidal bronze]

I do have zigbee just as backup zones for zw zones. House runs even if the 2 zigbee coordinators are not operational

[atomic delta]

I use ZHA, so if I want a second coordinator I have to switch to Z2M and rebuild my network.

Which I'm considering tbh. I don't have enough quality devices to span the physical range I'm crossing with one coordinator.

[tidal bronze]

I have 1 per floor for zigbee. I stick for zw for the entire house.

[atomic delta]

Zigbee is in the 2.4GHz range, isn't it? That doesn't help if so.

[tidal bronze]

I don't have crosstalk issues

[scenic radish]

it is, yeah. technically there's a sub-GHz version too though but i don't even know where that's used

I also haven't had interference issues despite being in dense environments for years

[atomic delta]

I have a mesh router that runs 2.4GHz. No neighbors within range though. And limited BT devices.

But yeah, in my case it's a 5000 sq ft house, but all one floor.

[scenic radish]

jesus

[tidal bronze]

That needs some coverage.

[atomic delta]

Yep

[scenic radish]

that's larger than my entire lot 🤣

definitely doable with a good zigbee mesh though

[atomic delta]

Lol, the lot here is five acres. I don't want to have to cover that.

[tidal bronze]

Add 3k to that and that's what my single zw stick is covering.

[atomic delta]

Well yeah, Z-Wave is in the 800MHz range and especially with LR, you get what, a mile LoS?

[hoary canyon]

Lutron is pretty nice too for certain areas you just want to 100% work, but I’m a bigger fan of Z-Wave personally

[atomic delta]

I just have zigbee because cheapshit tuya devices were easy to justify. At $3-6 per device, just bin one if it fails. And so far I've only had one device fail.

[tidal bronze]

House is 8200 😀

[scenic radish]

dafuq

my entire lot is 3125 sq ft

in other news, this camera's name is "Dungeon" because the brick plus the gate reminds me of Irithyll Dungeon from dark souls 3 🤣

[atomic delta]

To be fair, his house is multi-story, so it's probably more reasonable than it sounds.

[scenic radish]

|| yes, the timestamp is in a dumb place because I'm cropping the substream to fit in a grid of 16:9 cameras) ||

[tidal bronze]

Nice A frame

[scenic radish]

I'll pass the compliment along to the store that's below me 😂

Also I'm apparently using an entire core (out of 4) solely to crop three streams and rotate one with ffmpeg

[tidal bronze]

I never understood camera resolutions that differ

Shit show when it comes to 2x2 or 3x3

[scenic radish]

I used to have all 4:3 but then I took an arrow to the knee

[cursive kindle]

Hi, is there a channel for home assistant noobs

I am trying to figure out how big an ssd to get for it,

[tidal bronze]

Start with what you have and expand as you grow

[cursive kindle]

Raspberry pi 4, 4gb, and 32gb sd card, and a SLZB-06M in the mail.

[tidal bronze]

Good to go!

[cursive kindle]

I want to add an ssd so I dont burn out the SD card.

[tidal bronze]

If only HA any SSD for starters would do. I wouldn't think too much about storage if you are starting out. You will change your mind a million times if you stick with HA. 😀

[cursive kindle]

My plan is to stick with HA, I have not seen anything better yet.

And all this started cause I wanted a sensor on my bloody mailbox to send a message to my phone :/

[tidal bronze]

Yep, that's how it all starts.

[hoary canyon]

This. You’ll likely end up switching to a Mini PC before worrying about storage 🤣

[scenic radish]

I was gonna say exactly that

[tidal bronze]

I didn't want to ruin dreams

[cursive kindle]

Yeah, it is already on my list in a few months if i can find one cheap with at least 4 cores , 16gb ram and under 10w power average

[hoary canyon]

eBay should have tons, that power requirement may be a bit iffy though

[tidal bronze]

I would hover under 30W

[cursive kindle]

atm my goal is sensor for mailbox, main door, a few windows, philips hue light bulbs switches over, and a temperature and humitity sensor, and then later i need to find a good co2 sensor.

[cursive kindle]

power here is expensive, and under 10 should be doable

[tidal bronze]

Oh boy, here we go

Power is expensive all over. But realistically 18W idle with 30W peaks you should be golden.

[cursive kindle]

yeah, that is the same as most wifi routers so that is fine

[tidal bronze]

Come to think of it LLM call is 180W 🤔

[cursive kindle]

On my Todo list........ Maybe you should just get the straight jacket out now, before I deep dive into the rabit hole, or is it a creator by now?

I want to replace Alexa, cause Alexa has gotten SO MUCH worse the last few years.

I want to be able to say, play audiobook XXX book 4, and have it start book for 4 and not book 10 in the series, or ask for book 10, and it then plays book 6

If I say play audiobook Dreadgod or play audiobook Dreadgod by will wight, it STILL to this day cant. it even says, I did not find an audiobook named dreadgod

[tidal bronze]

Don't know much about Alexa anymore my fleet went to a landfill years ago. Google for me but my goal is not to interact at all all costs. Hopefully you will find your assistant bliss with HA

[cursive kindle]

I just need it to set alarms, and play my audiobooks.

oh and control the lights 🙂

[dawn badge]

audiobooks got added to the music assistant addon a while back, never used it for that but i am sure it works

[cursive kindle]

audible ones?

[dawn badge]

yeah you can add audible as a provider

[cursive kindle]

I dont even have HA installed yet and I am already in love

[dawn badge]

just remember to take things 1 step at a time and enjoy the small wins. dont try and do everything at once

[cursive kindle]

.... I am screwed then 🙂

[dawn badge]

once you get going... its definitely a rabbit hole and an ongoing project 🙂

[cursive kindle]

As long as backup on it works and I can store my settings for easy hardware upgrade / replace broken sd card, Ill be happy

[dawn badge]

yeah backup system got overhauled recently and its pretty awesome

sd card is fine for initial learning but you shouldn't use it for very long

[cursive kindle]

Oh, I forgot I am adding smart plugs to most outleads, and that was the main reason at first to go HA, I wanted an offline way to monitor energy usage, then I thought I should add a mailbox sensor, now that it is close enough in my new apartment

[dawn badge]

nice 🙂

[cursive kindle]

Question, I know the Ikea contact sensors have an issue, looks like also the VALLHORN motion sensor has the same buck converter issue, are there other ikea products I should stear clear off?

[atomic delta]

I got a 128GB NVMe made by SK hynix for my Pi5 for HA. It's about 10% utilized.

[cursive kindle]

It is the logs that are the issue I figure?

Can I install everything on the SD and just redirect the logs to a usb ssd?

[atomic delta]

Honestly most of it is just the install in general. But yeah, logs will slowly consume space. Best bet for longevity is to set up a network share as your backup location so you have it available if your SD card dies. At that point you don't have to worry about anything really.

[dawn badge]

yes, you can move the data disk to another drive in the storage settings

the recorder database is a big part of the writes

if your gunna use a usb ssd then just drop the sd card alltogether and just boot from usb

[cursive kindle]

I have yet to use a usb to boot from, been a few years since I last looked into if it was possible on a pi 4 and worked right

[atomic delta]

I use an m.2 hat myself

[dawn badge]

yeah you can do it on rpi4 and 5

m.2 hat is a better option. but at this point the investment into the rpi platform is making it not worth it. just get a mini pc instead.

by the time you get rpi/psu/case/hat/ssd you are spending about the same amount as you wood on a n100 mini pc and getting less for it

[cursive kindle]

I have a pi4 atm, and a spare big usb key or even a usb ssd, so I dont need to spend more money atm

my entry cost is the ZigBee dongle

[dawn badge]

yeah if you already have stuff its fine. and its how alot of people start

[atomic delta]

The only regret I've had is that faster-whisper still isn't terribly fast on Pi5. Otherwise I'm pretty pleased with everything.

[dawn badge]

but if you start buying various things you might as well go in the right direction

[cursive kindle]

ill get a mini pc later, i have already thought about getting it, but spend to much money this month, just moved into a new apartment yestoday

faster-whisper ?

[dawn badge]

yeah its not gunna be good at that

[dawn badge]

speech to text

[atomic delta]

Speech to text for voice commands

[cursive kindle]

I am looking at used mini-pc's with intel Gen 4k series and newer cpus

[atomic delta]

I mean, it's not -that- slow, I just want it faster than it is.

[dawn badge]

voice pipeline is
speech to text -> processing -> respond ->TTS

i run whisper on my "big server" along with ollama for llm on gpu 🙂

[cursive kindle]

question, how good would something like this be??
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007477003172.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.3a77gm6ugm6uLy&algo_pvid=416d5fdc-8616-4479-af03-d34d964b135d&algo_exp_id=416d5fdc-8616-4479-af03-d34d964b135d-0&pdp_ext_f={"order"%3A"1157"%2C"spu_best_type"%3A"price"%2C"eval"%3A"1"%2C"orig_sl_item_id"%3A"1005007477003172"%2C"orig_item_id"%3A"1005007007191836"}&pdp_npi=4%40dis!DKK!1711.60!787.34!!!1835.10!844.15!%402103846917489187571996048e8bf0!12000040910183923!sea!DK!161673183!X&curPageLogUid=0nsdqFIjbYR2&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A

[dawn badge]

will work but its an older celeron chip

something like a "beelink S12" is pretty good but its still going to be a bit limited for local voice

it will run whispers tiny model fairly quickly but its accuracy might not be great

[cursive kindle]

those voice assistant stuff and TTS , are they ram hungry?

[atomic delta]

In the long run I'll probably just bump voice over to my laptop. I have a few Sun Fire servers that could do the job, but they're loud and the rack is in my bedroom right now. Besides, my laptop has a GTX 1060 6GB that's sitting unused.

[dawn badge]

STT - yes
TTS - not so much

until recently the server that ran whisper for me had an older 1650 super which ran whisper great. its not got a 5060ti but it does llm too now

[atomic delta]

Seems like even with StT, I'm not cresting 2GiB usage.

[dawn badge]

there is also "speech to phrase" which is a lot quicker and runs on lower spec hardware but it cant deal with variables as it only looks for specific patterns

[dawn badge]

what model are you running?

[cursive kindle]

I wonder if those USB to PCIE would be enough for llms in a mini pc

[atomic delta]

faster-whisper English

[dawn badge]

which size though

[atomic delta]

Default is tiny-int8

So that

[dawn badge]

yeah thats pretty small 🙂

model is like 50 meg or something

sorry ~110

[atomic delta]

Honestly haven't seen a reason to increase it. I run into more trouble figuring out what syntax it'll do something with than I do getting it to understand me.

[dawn badge]

yeah thats fair. thats where the llm comes into play

[atomic delta]

Don't know how to set that up, haven't looked into it yet.

[dawn badge]

silly example but whatever

[atomic delta]

Yeah, it gets the point across.

Ah, found a word mine doesn't like to transcribe. "Den"

[dawn badge]

it doesnt care about language either

[forest edge]

you talk to your HA with "oh my please"?

[dawn badge]

not really, it was just an example

[cursive kindle]

It does not hurt to be polite to your future AI overlords.

[dawn badge]

yup, they may be kinder during the uprising

[atomic delta]

Dammit, not Dan, Den

[cursive kindle]

I would want an LLM Agent, where I could then teach it I ment Den, and it would remember

[atomic delta]

Technically HA does let me just alias Dan to the Den area.

[dawn badge]

you could put it in your prompt but a decent llm will compensate for a "typo" anyway

[atomic delta]

Here's one I didn't notice before. Wonder if I worked around this in the bedroom and forgot.

Apparently yes.

Weird that it doesn't seem to be able to respond without that alias added.

Woo, found an updated firmware for my Z-Wave stick and installed it.

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze when you used gemini to help with your frigate false positives did you like upload an image for it to see? or just explain the issue with text?

[tidal bronze]

Just explain

[forest edge]

curious if it could use an image from the debug screen to better pinpoint a solution

[tidal bronze]

You can upload a debug image

Will be much faster and accurate answer

Gemini goes by bounding box

I run both gpt and Gemini for answers. Anything HA Gemini is slightly better

[tidal bronze]

So middle earth

[atomic delta]

Welp, got Simplicity Studio 5 installed on my steam deck. That wasn't quite the device I had intended to use for this, but if it works....

I suppose it's actually preferable, since I can bring it to the device install locations.

[tidal bronze]

Pressing buttons still?

[atomic delta]

Hm?

If you're unaware, Simplicity Studio 5 is Silicon Labs' IDE for developing for their devices. In this case, the Z-Wave 800 chip they sell for $6.

[forest edge]

who's excited about xchat?

is HA moving to that

[atomic delta]

TF is xchat?

If HA moved to anything, I'd expect revolt or matrix.

[glacial knot]

Zulip

[forest edge]

lmao do I seriously have to make a script using the backup action in order to do backups without fiddling with that encryption bs?

[glacial knot]

Please use a support channel for support questions
Thx

[forest edge]

that is crazy

just now got around to looking at the backups. hope they implement a way to turn that off cause having to do it by script is nuts lol

[solar zealot]

You just need to uncheck it

[forest edge]

it forced me into the setup which showed me the key I would have tokeep so I just backed out from there cause was not interested

[solar zealot]

Well yea and you just select it not to do that afterwards

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[forest edge]

it doesn't give that impression that you can just bypass dealing with encryption. that needs to be changed

i'll give a looky in a bit

[solar zealot]

It's located in the setting page of the individual backup location

[forest edge]

well hopefully they uncomplicate that cause as of right now the page gives the impression that you have to deal with the encryption and there is no other choice.

when I looked it up it seemed many others did what I did.. see that popup encryption key window then justbacked out lol

[solar zealot]

You shouldn't have to disable it for it being the best solution for slaps roof of zip all the included auth keys

But it's as shrimple as clicking the big red button for locations you don't want it on

Well that's a lie, the button is white the text is red :P

[forest edge]

rather than the setup forcing that encryption key popup maybe if it went into the actual backup page and one could see the option to bypass dealing with that it would be better

[solar zealot]

People would just not now and then they got a backup with grok or whatever chatbots kids these day like :P

[glacial knot]

Ye, we really need a way to have HA use a key vault and get all of that out of there

[forest edge]

ok i see now

[haughty wolf]

@ongy is there normally a point during WebRTC negotiation where you report back the selected ice pair?

[forest edge]

when you click the set up button it takes you to set it up what you want (don't like that it auto creates an encrypted backup right off the bat) but then you can go in and turn off encryption for the location

when you click the back up button at the bottom which is what I did it pops up that encryption key window

I made the mistake of including all addons so now i'm stuck waiting on this backup to finish so I can delete it lol

[last cedar]

This brings back memories

[forest edge]

wtf are we looking at?

if I had to stab in the dark I would think an older alarm control board

[atomic delta]

Turn on your sound. It'll become real apparent.

[forest edge]

the dialing modem is why I guessed alarm control panel

considering we are looking at a ethernet jack in shot lol

[atomic delta]

Fair.

[glacial knot]

No. Selection happens by establishing the connection
It's somewhat inherently happening on both sides at the same time and each side figures it out themselves

I.e. there's no (pure) algorithm that does the selection
Both sides try all candidates at the same time and the first to succeed is then selected

[haughty wolf]

@glacial knot My problem is that the DTLS phase dies at some point right after I send my client hello. The other end never sends a server hello. When I try to handshake, I get a ZeroReturnError.

[dawn badge]

not sure if its clear enough but it might be possible to decode the DTMF from that video 🙂

[glacial knot]

Yea, that sounds deeper into code than I can guess without knowing the library in question
Sorry

[last cedar]

It is ringing to 123456 to just open the line 🤣

Then sending SIA protocol alarm info to the dailer

[dawn badge]

its cool but you should probably make a post in #1284960456880029707 instead 🙂

[grave knot]

oooh sorry yes. Lets do that

[grave knot]

thanks for the nudge!

[cursive kindle]

Question, is there a good youtube video for a noob to watch about zha vs zigbee2mqtt , i have been googling and reading forum posts, but it feels more like people are debating using ubuntu vs debian or windows vs mac os

[static schooner]

This would be a good topic for #1284966617670881350

[clear ferry]

Decoupled vs integrated is the general difference, plus one is vastly superior

[glacial knot]

Then why do you use zigbee everywhere?

[clear ferry]

Zigbee2everywhere

[primal laurel]

plus one needs the dumpster fire which is MQTT

and the other works stand alone!

[scenic radish]

Standalone*

*Requires Home Assistant

Also you really hate MQTT huh 🤣

[vivid berry]

Is there a simply way to get high/low temps for my weather forecast?

Been going down a rabbit hole of template sensors and a bunch of stuff.

[scenic radish]

Depends on the weather integration, but you're better off asking in #1284966540617449515 or #1284966664357810196

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-okay-gif-27461476

[scenic radish]

y tho

[split grail]

not every smart plug can monitor energy right?

[clear ferry]

Correct

[primal laurel]

I don't want to start another civil war

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/axl-rose-guns-n-roses-gif-22226157

[crisp oriole]

Did the lastone end already?

[primal laurel]

got interrupted by all the steam gift card spam

[split grail]

I'm having a hard time figuring out which ones can

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/waynes-world-game-on-gif-12634109

[clear ferry]

Lots, most wifi, a lot of Zigbee ones, usually zwave ones, never 433 ones

[split grail]

I don't know which is which

my options are: wion (wifi), cync, globe, rca, and nexxt (wifi)

but none of them advertise if they do energy monitoring

[clear ferry]

Then the probably don't

Now buy tuya (Zigbee)

[split grail]

they don't sell them here

[clear ferry]

"here"

[split grail]

I'm having a hard time finding any smart plug

Bermuda

[clear ferry]

That sounds like a very slim market

[split grail]

yes

[clear ferry]

I lost a Barbados slim joke in there somewhere

Dangit

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-not-wiggling-them-they-do-that-by-themselves-futurama-barbados-slim-gif-9325578094810167027

[split grail]

I'm closer to nova scotia than the bahamas

[primal laurel]

have you tried triangulating instead

[split grail]

I'm going to throw you into the ocean

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-pirates-day-chuckmccarthy-arrr-gif-10893476421774942887

[split grail]

me when streaming services

[clear ferry]

laughs in 300TB storage in my garage

[split grail]

plex go burrrrr

[iron granite]

Only 300TB? I'm a bit disappointed.

[clear ferry]

I try to keep it low

So the haters don't hate too much

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/why-is-the-rum-gone-the-curse-of-the-black-pearl-pirates-of-the-caribbean-captain-jack-sparrow-johnny-depp-gif-13405219

[iron granite]

[clear ferry]

Meanwhile I'm rolling out 30PB systems weekly

Brrrrrr

[primal laurel]

im struggling to fit my code onto a 2MB flash

[clear ferry]

That's what happens when you work in the legacy space

EE go zzzzz

[primal laurel]

legacy! these are new products

[clear ferry]

I'm unfortunate enough to have to integrate the products you design into modern networks

Fuck i hate Schneider

[iron granite]

New legacy products

[clear ferry]

It's the 1980s all over again

[primal laurel]

basically, if you think about it, your job only exists thanks to EE

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/ea-eeee-gif-13679048487521937145

[cursive kindle]

So my first HA device came in the mail..... all I can do is look at it, and use it as a fidget spinner

[clear ferry]

So you bought a conbee or a HA yellow then

[cursive kindle]

an aqara temperature and humity sensor

[split grail]

I'm using an old laptop

[clear ferry]

I'm on a 2U rack server still

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/play-doom-on-pregnacy-test-gif-8586744206177994086

[grizzled gull]

doom?

[primal laurel]

this is doom running on a digital pregnancy test

[clear ferry]

Can it run doom? Probably

[cursive kindle]

i always find that funny

[primal laurel]

think of this when atx tells you you need 20 PB of RAM for your home server

[clear ferry]

https://www.reddit.com/r/itrunsdoom/s/JZ7wGvlqCA

[cursive kindle]

my first computer was a commodore vic 20 with ram extensions

[grizzled gull]

I feel so accomplished today, it only took me like 4 months to configure automatic backups into google drive :/

[cursive kindle]

Still remember messing with config.sys and autoexe.bat to get enough free memory needed 622kb to get the good sound in dune 2 😄

[grizzled gull]

I did that with Tie Fighter

[clear ferry]

memmaker.bat

[cursive kindle]

still strange to thing i have more storage and cpu/hpu power in my pocket, than all computers I had together in the 90s and even the early 2000s

will be fun to see if the contact sensor i bought can handle sitting outside in a mailbox

[grizzled gull]

my garage door tilt sensors survive -30 F

[cursive kindle]

Then there is hope 🙂

[clear ferry]

I have had my aqara contact sensor on my mailbox 25m from my house for years, in -35c to +35c weather with snow / rain / sun

[cursive kindle]

You guys are making me happy

Now I just need to find a spare magnet for the mailbox flap

:/ no fun until this gets here

[scenic radish]

    detect: *detect_native_res
    birdseye: *nobirdseye
    ui: *nodash
``` i ❤️ YAML anchors and aliases

(frigate config)

[split grail]

I wish getting energy monitoring was easier here

even if I get an emporia vue I can't monitor my solar energy output because all 16 clamps would be used.

[simple gazelle]

I keep putting energy off, but I got some dopamine today getting some soil stats

[unborn merlin]

reminds me of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mCsluv5FXA

The port itself runs inside three and a half trillion lines of types, totalling a gargantuan size of 177 TB. This is run through Typescript's Type tracker, which takes 12 days to compile the first frame of Doom (0.0000009645 fps). This meant that 20 million type instantiations were running every second in order to get the output.

https://tenor.com/view/he-he-he-laughing-funny-lizard-heh-heh-heh-gif-5728538792722150615

"Oh and AI can't help with this because its so low level that it has no idea what I'm even doing."

🙃

[unborn merlin]

what are you a plant?

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/seymour-feed-me-plant-little-shop-of-horrors-gif-17120401

[clear ferry]

Well that was interesting, got a random $300k offer in my LinkedIn mailbox

Best part is, it is a job managing an environment I have delivered, for a US company

[forest edge]

did they want you to wear something skimpy?

[clear ferry]

Pretty sure the recruiter doesn't know that

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-youtube-poop-ytp-jallerbo-stripping-gif-27541533

[forest edge]

for some reason I thought there was 4 little ones

oh and @last cedar

ah yea. wonder if something happened to one

[solar zealot]

Did you 3d print something recently

[scenic radish]

<@&330946878646517761> 👆

[keen bridge]

[primal laurel]

More steam giftcards?

[atomic delta]

Yo dawg, heard you like steam gift cards, so we put some steam gift cards in your steam gift cards.

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[simple gazelle]

Roses are red
Chocolate is sweet
Another Steam gift scammer
LMAO yeet

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze jealous? https://youtube.com/shorts/BuatPFJ1fSM?si=6MEMGiTswMtFcDrg

[solar zealot]

"invented"

yea

americans baffled that paper doesnt absorb sound fully

[scenic radish]

you too can have shitty expensive speakers in your wall

[solar zealot]

audiophiles hate this one simple trick

[ornate gulch]

Does anyone know of a card other than tile that supports card features?

[solar zealot]

card feature?

[grizzled gull]

I hate when stuff works and just stops working for no good reason..... tinkering with Ollama and it was workign, now it stopped working lol

[ornate gulch]

https://www.home-assistant.io/dashboards/features/

[scenic radish]

recommend posting to #1284965988642590891

[solar zealot]

yea, never seen that before

[grizzled gull]

well............ Ollama for Intel GPU works great for simple stuff, HA commands, it goes boom when I ask it to tell me a 100 word story lol

[primal laurel]

I despise these monotone AI voice overs which are just basically stealing someone else's content

[solar zealot]

i find the ai translations worse

[primal laurel]

brain rot

[grizzled gull]

AI can be funny, just testing out speeds on intel igpu and increasing ram speeds from default to 3200...... here is the response to a 100 word short story involving pirates...

Tell me a 100 word story about piratesIn the year 2025, pirates weren't sailing ships but hacking networks. Captain Redbeard, a notorious cyber-pirate, led his crew through digital seas. Their target: the heavily fortified Home Assistant servers. At 16:47:55 on June 3rd, they struck, exploiting a tiny vulnerability. But Home Assistant's defenses were swift. A counter-attack locked them out, turning their screens to static. Redbeard laughed, "We'll be back." The digital seas were never calm for long

Which one of you is captain redbeard eh?

[dim orbit]

does anyone actually have a zigbee setup that works 100% of the time? I'm not looking to troubleshoot, just that it seems like something falls off the network about once a month

[forest edge]

that could just be that device and nothing to do with your mesh

[grizzled gull]

I had that issue until I went with a POE SMlight adapter, but I'd ask in the support channel

[dim orbit]

we're getting dangerously close to troubleshooting there @forest edge!

but interesting to hear that it can be reliable

[primal laurel]

been running it for about 5 years, no issues

[grizzled gull]

I also found the ZBT-1 did not play well with my setup, I want to say it was some beta drivers for z2m, I forget

[clear ferry]

Enjoy a picture of my sunlight at 00:05

[forest edge]

you moved somewhere to where there are even more people close around you? I call bs

[clear ferry]

Yes, but the people here avoid each other by nature

[forest edge]

the meaning of "grown-up" has been mutilated for quite some time now

[clear ferry]

I feel that might be mutilated

[weak musk]

Yep

[clear ferry]

Mine has been working 100% for 7 years almost

[silk galleon]

has anyone managed to get ldap working with HA OS?

[tidal bronze]

@last cedar not cool

[forest edge]

I am only able to get gemini pro to assist with like one project before the api alimit cuts me off.. kind of annoying lol

wanted to see if it could improve my camera resize pyscript and it did a good job but it like instantly cut me off after lol

[tidal bronze]

You burnt through a million tokens?you can't be that dense

[forest edge]

tokens?

I see no tokens

[unborn merlin]

suffering crippling debt? 🙃

[forest edge]

am I suppose to feel bad for those who are? confused where this came from

[atomic delta]

Other than a defective device, the only time I've had things drop off is when batteries die.

[unborn merlin]

well by how you talk I assume you're a boomer.

... and that statement sorta confirms it tbh.. 🙃

[forest edge]

lol I get the joke. if you are not suffering from crippling debt you are a boomer...

[unborn merlin]

followed by a "lol am I suppose to care about those people?"

so double confirmed.

[forest edge]

I don't see that. I use https://gemini.google.com/app/

it's just a chat window

[tidal bronze]

Use aistudio.google.com

[forest edge]

that looks complicated lol

[tidal bronze]

Nopes.

[forest edge]

thats weird.. so the thing I been using dosen't even count towards those tokens yet it's the same ai lol

[tidal bronze]

Don't judge AI just make it do the work for you. Keep it simple

[forest edge]

so each prompt is a token? or each word?

[atomic delta]

Imagine using non-local services.

[tidal bronze]

Up and down stream per chat

Plenty for your task at hand

[forest edge]

gemini 2.5 pro locally would be kind of cool

[tidal bronze]

Start your project with. No explanation short answers

[forest edge]

its not flawless by any means but so far has done a decent job helping me fix some coding issues

[tidal bronze]

It's all in your prompt style.

[forest edge]

lol the explantion eats into the tokens

I wonder if the thing I use is doing that

have been using

[tidal bronze]

Gemini goes in depth with HA logic and internals which I don't care for.

[forest edge]

yea it dumps out this whole long explanmtion thing

[tidal bronze]

Yep

[forest edge]

but now that you mention it, maybe thats what eats my limit withon project lol

[tidal bronze]

You can also say just give me the yaml

[forest edge]

I mean it resets like 4 hours later

so it's not too bad

but still, was like asking one thing, got answerthen hit limit lol

[tidal bronze]

The key is start a new chat with all the backgrounds from previous chat. End with keep it short and just give me the yaml

[forest edge]

"close the lip and give me the goods"

[tidal bronze]

Yep

[forest edge]

so this studio thing. once you max the tokens is that it? no more ever or does those tokens reset?

[tidal bronze]

That's per chat. If you are smart you know what to do.

[forest edge]

oh i see

[tidal bronze]

Don't even bother with explaining non working automations. Export csv from history tab from trigger and condition entities upload. Ask it to fix it.

[forest edge]

well I don't go that far. so far only ever had it help me with a complex garage door automation and pyscripts

I just copy paste them

[tidal bronze]

I uploaded my entire package dir to gpt memory. It's something else lol. Knows almost every entity. Will suggest stuff that I didn't even think of like doing 30 min wind speed statistics sensor to eliminate trigger flapping

[forest edge]

I don't do packages

[tidal bronze]

I had 460 odd automations that I did added about 100 more with gpt in about a month

Memory is key so, I ask go through my entities and suggest.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-shit-shades-off-shocked-surprised-wtf-gif-214049199930703289

I have 48 automations

[tidal bronze]

Memory always fascinates me. Gpt will say, hey why not add dining room lux as a condition to eliminate false triggering

[forest edge]

your saying gpt but are you meaning gemini?

when someone says gpt i think chatgpt

[tidal bronze]

I don't use Gemini for memory related. Gemini for technical solutions

I use both.

[forest edge]

oh you are multi ai involved.. yea thats beyond my scope

[tidal bronze]

Like my patio shades Gemini is 10x better calculating shade angles from a Google earth screenshot than gpt

Gpt memory is super cool since the yaml it outputs already contains covers switches lights etc from your packages.

[dim orbit]

Well, I guess I can put some effort in and figure out the cause of my zigbee woes. Thanks for the feedback!

[forest edge]

i didn't think chatgpt was very good with code especially HA stuff

least from the stuff others have been saying

[tidal bronze]

Misconception. I hear it all the time and it's completely BS. Some jinja is janky but overall, outstanding.

This negative shit is partly ego. Nothing real

Even bad jinja copy paste error log and fixed in next reply. Simple as that

[forest edge]

lol

[tidal bronze]

Gemini, flawless with jinja but for day to things my go to is gpt for memory. "Look up project files and......" WIN 😀

[forest edge]

I don't mind asking for more complicated stuff but other than that I don't need to add more crap than I already have lol

[tidal bronze]

I am not asking AI to complicate, just to simplify. I have done enough with 463 automations 🤣

[forest edge]

463 is complicate lol

should add a few moreautomation to help keep you up to date on the world outside your home lol

[grave knot]

This is why Claude has won for me. "Oh, you have access to all my files, github, and can call and test the API's you're writing? Yes, that sounds great"

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge when I started and uploaded packages

[forest edge]

yea i'm sure it's assement of mine would make for a good joke

"what the hell am i looking at?"

[tidal bronze]

Lol. For deep technical stuff copy from gpt paste to Gemini FTW

How can you not love

[unborn merlin]

are you trying to shoot the dog with water..

[forest edge]

seems broke. should be"see dog > water on full blast"

[peak slate]

119 hand rolled automations over here

you need to pump those numbers up

[forest edge]

no thanks. I don't need to completely lose track with how life works behind the scenes lol

[grave knot]

thems rookie numbers.

as the movie says.

[last cedar]

@clear ferry https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/qn5yd7aiDt

When are we going?

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/oooh-chris-pratt-parks-and-rec-surprised-shocked-gif-14609379

[last cedar]

Times are hard yo

[pulsar umbra]

Yeyy finaly setted up my home assistant PI and some door sensor

[stuck anchor]

my local university had this yearly for their admins way back. separate classes for laptops, workstations and servers. if a particular phased out computer had caused you much grief you could apply to throw that one in the competition.

[pulsar umbra]

Was surprisingly easy and fun to do

[nocturne thunder]

Out of curiosity: does anybody else miss the old discord setup with these normal channels rather than threads?
HA Discord now feels more like a second forum rather than a live interaction alternative to old school forums

[last cedar]

Don't let Atx bully you for using a raspi 🤣

[last cedar]

More raccoon shitposting now so I see it as a win

[raw tulip]

Great video for sure and the print looks great! We could look into adding some holes for some ventilation for the CO2 sensor.

[young sigil]

Hmm. Measuring the climate at ceiling level isn't really useful.

[forest edge]

lol i was just curiously goofing around when I used gemini and linked my super complex camera rotation automations/scripts and asked if it could condense and improve it and holy shit.. I don't even understand what it spit out but it works lol

[peak slate]

So it made it unmaintainable, lol

Classic ai maneuver

[forest edge]

in a way yea I guess it did

[peak slate]

Also dis u

😛

[forest edge]

there is a diffrence between that comment and coding too advanced for my brain

push comes to shove i'll probably figure this out in time if something breaks

[peak slate]

Still I gotta heckle a little bit

[forest edge]

I was actually expecting the ai to give me some crap that didn't even work or wasn't what I actually asked for but it only took it 137 second to turn my 697 lines of text into something that is like 80% smaller than what I had

course there are some bits I have yet to see if they work cause I need detections and its too early in the am for that but it got the other stuff right

[primal laurel]

AI is quite good a coding. But deteriorates quickly on larger projects

[forest edge]

people would lose jobs if it didn't

[primal laurel]

Highly doubt it

[crisp oriole]

Ai is good at prototyping. But it messes up good code or mixes up everything. It needs to made better it can send minimal diff changes. That will take a while

Btw are russian out of the window memes allowed or politics?

[iron granite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/744321107250774079/1272495162387468288/AI_Inquisition.gif

[iron granite]

Can you guess my answer?

[peak slate]

Ai also makes up apis that didn't exist and math that doesn't work

But that's what happens when you have a word prediction engine vs real life rules

[crisp oriole]

I can extrapolate your reply

[iron granite]

[peak slate]

Nobody would want Markov chat bots to generate code

Lol

[crisp oriole]

Not if you feed it with the api docs

[peak slate]

🤣

Assuming it listens

It will still make up apis

Also apparently it's more or less helpful based on your name

[primal laurel]

It's a tool. Gotta know the limitations

[peak slate]

(the wife's work has a big ai project and it'll work for some people and not others)

[crisp oriole]

My dentist husband is in a big AI law thing. Isnt going so well.

[peak slate]

(I just keep mocking chat gippity)

Judges are not happy with fake law cases and rules

[iron granite]

Relying on mouth to mouth propaganda? 🤣

[crisp oriole]

No i ask. Its a small model that uses a offical search engine? She said no they feeded some model if lots of text.

[stuck mortar]

Those are called “interns”

[crisp oriole]

If it parses some usecase. Searches for simulair cases. Then think about it it could work. But AIbros throw all logical code out of the window.

[primal laurel]

What kind of ai project

[forest edge]

ugh just sitting here waiting for someone to trigger one of the frigate occupancy sensors is like watching paint dry

[peak slate]

https://www.unilad.com/technology/news/ai-startup-actually-powered-by-people-975483-20250603 now this is my sort of ai news

[crisp oriole]

They are at the point where chaning one button costs 2500 euro so prolly not interns

[peak slate]

Startup's ai was 700 engineers in a trenchcoat

[peak slate]

Wrapping a bunch of tooling into an ai so you can say "hey can you create this with x y z parameters" and then it'll ask you for remaining inputs etc and create everything on the backend

[peak slate]

But it keeps making up tools, ignoring inputs, and then if someone Else asks the same request, it'll work for them

[crisp oriole]

Btw if i let AI code with out telling use this lib this way or do that. It terrible. You need your IT kills.

[primal laurel]

Not using MCP?

[peak slate]

I may live in acronym hell, I don't know ai acronyms

Model container protocol

[primal laurel]

Model context protocol

[peak slate]

Though I guess the answer was always going to be hell if I know

[primal laurel]

Basically tell AI what tools it has and how to address them in a standardized way

[peak slate]

I do very different work on embedded systems

[peak slate]

Yeah they do that

It still ignores it

Cause ai

[primal laurel]

That shouldn't be possible

Somebody fucked up then

[crisp oriole]

Im in a bigger hell. I forget acronyms but also forget the english word acronym so easily i cant explain im in a hell.

[peak slate]

🤣 chat gippity

[peak slate]

If people ask about work, I tell them to feel free to stop me and ask what I'm saying

So much lingo and acronyms that I've stopped realizing aren't common knowledge

[forest edge]

what the hell is a standardized way

[crisp oriole]

Iso i guess

[crisp oriole]

🎶And iso killed the chat.🎶and iso killed the chat. 🎶 there was a mess now specs to guess🎶 iso killed the chat.🎶

[forest edge]

don't quit your day job

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/charmander-run-over-lawn-mower-pokemon-go-oh-no-gif-9845194

[merry garnet]

Finally got Matter working on my Home Assistant box and actually managed to pair a Matter device. woo

[forest solstice]

Didn't Emporia have like a 2 hour delay at some point

Or am I misremembering

[solar zealot]

People just flash esphome

[pulsar umbra]

Yeeeesss my alarm activation routine have worked 🥳

Now i only need to setup the remote acces with a VPN to desactivate it,then i can add all the sensor and it should be fully working

[pulsar umbra]

bruh

no way someone falling for that

[grave knot]

/me works in AI and is slowly backing out of the chat

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/witch-pointing-point-accusation-witches-gif-19909531

[grave knot]

but I prompt real good, please sir

fwiw using phrases like "human readable" and "follows best practices to generate readable code" can help with claude specifically, in my experience. But I've never turned it loose on a legacy application and asked it to just generically "make it better"

thats like asking a fresh graduate to "optimize this code" - they're almost certainly going to come back with something worse.

https://tenor.com/view/dog-bird-ai-slaot-laz4p-gif-6990078711912000688

plus we wouldn' thave things like pug-igion without AI.

[primal laurel]

As long as you don't start talking about prompt 'engineering'

[grave knot]

uh, as someone who actually writes code for a living, that is not a thing.

[desert cave]

The quality of LLM output is directly proportional to the user's likelihood of seeing faces in toast

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/ayin-ayinmaiden-ayinbread-banana-snap-gif-22877050

[glacial knot]

Perceived or measured quality?

[desert cave]

perceived of course

[crisp oriole]

Ah my LLM prompt engineering skills got a ++

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/xx-ron-swanson-i-have-a-permit-i-can-do-what-i-want-parks-and-recreation-gif-15660350

[glacial knot]

Google sending me memories of the pictures I took is always worth a laugh
Half of them are various computer parts I photographed for work

[static schooner]

Your day in the bringup lab @ 2am

ah yes, I remember the lack of sleep fondly

BTW, I have the same type of "here, let me show you how to set the DIP switches..." pics

or why are the LEDs in this weird pattern?

[haughty wolf]

@glacial knot I got it working! The problem was the aiortc library was limiting the dtls to 4 ciphers and chrome was offering 11 and at least one of those 11 works with my camera but those 4 do not. WireShark told me what they were and I modified aiortc to offer the one I saw it accept and now I get data!

[glacial knot]

Neat

wouldn't have guessed cipher, but makes sense

[weak musk]

This was especially funny because the gif took 30 seconds to load for me 😂

[split grail]

could I ask for suggestions on smart plug energy monitoring/inverter monitoring or should I ask in #the-workshop?

[iron granite]

#1284966353798697001 with the "Recommendation" tag

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze check it out! they made whole series about it so you could get a heads up of what it will be like for you when you finally make the move! https://youtu.be/HlDWzN6TW5Y?si=z3LkP0wK-qdY7o7_

[split grail]

thanks

[pulsar umbra]

Guys help, do i need to pray the ominisiah for m'y esp cam to work ?

Strugling with it for like 2h and it still cant conect to the wifi lmao

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-warhammer40k-warhammer40k-heresy-detected-warhammer40k-space-marines-gif-26543746

[primal laurel]

Stop buying tuya

Sorry, force of habit

[pulsar umbra]

I have some tuya door sensor, am i cooked ?

Do you have any recomandation for such device ?

Is there realy a différence between the cheap Chinese one and the more expensive ones?

[dawn badge]

some of the tuya zigbee stuff does work but its a bit cheap and nasty. the wifi stuff is really bad because it depends on their cloud system.

a big part of it, is if you value time, saving a bit of money but spend 3 days making it semi work. instead of paying more and having it working in minutes

I am oversimplifying but its the general idea of what can happen

[young sigil]

Some of the Tuya zigbee stuff (e.g. microwave presence and power sensors) spam the shit out of the zigbee network too.

[atomic delta]

The spammiest tuya device I have is a luminance sensor, and it's still not that bad. But yeah, zigbee all the way, I'd never touch their wifi garbage.

[crisp oriole]

Greez. Re posted a bug i found during a beta. Clear it worked in beta .x next beta it does not work. But have issues with developer whitebox blindness. Not reading or understanding an issue.

[pulsar umbra]

Okay good to know

As far as now, everything worked well, alarm, and sensor

Chat GPT comming in clutch lmao

[tidal bronze]

IF i mean IF only here

Wanna join me for a glass of wine at DUMBO?

[forest edge]

I don't want to stare at the night sky with you.

why don't you ever take pictures from the local nudy bar or something

[tidal bronze]

Yuk

[forest edge]

if QF says yuk then you know it's good

[tidal bronze]

How can anything else be nicer than this?

[weak musk]

you could have more wine in your glass

[forest edge]

how did you go from night to day in a few mins?

[weak musk]

by reducing the amount of wine in the glass

[forest solstice]

What would be the correct support category if I wanted to merge 2 entities into like a single custom entity?

Templates or config?

[tidal bronze]

I don't man, meetings are sometimes stressful

[forest edge]

stressful? the bar not have the drink you been waiting on all day? lol

[static schooner]

What do you mean by 'merge'? Concatenate strings? Add up values?

[timber ember]

Hey guys! I made this very little web app to collect voice samples:

https://github.com/helv-io/WakeWave

An instance of it is currently running on https://wakewave.helv.io (please feel free to contribute your beautiful voices). No post processing is currently being done, I just wanted to gauge whether this is a project that's worth expanding on, eventually. Please don't send garbage, my dog would be sad. Silence and BG noise encouraged.

Anyways, thoughts, opinions, etc?

[dawn badge]

cool, but belongs over in #1284960456880029707

[forest edge]

ugh now i got a goffer problem

[timber ember]

Thanks, posted there!

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/caddyshack-gopher-dancing-happy-dance-gif-15139937

[glacial knot]

I prefer the gopher

https://i.etsystatic.com/14916109/r/il/9923fb/2192225828/il_1140xN.2192225828_rvx0.jpg

[thick dragon]

Just found out the hard way that having two views of the same dashboard open in edit mode in two different browser windows is a bad idea. Accidentally hit "Done" in the wrong one and lost 45 minutes of dashboard reworking 😦

[forest edge]

doesn't matter if it were diffrent browsers or diffrent tabs in the same browser

[crisp oriole]

Greez. Not as intended.

Local switch off runs stuff local but thats intended?

[stuck anchor]

my son connected a mill (brand name) heater via wifi. when he kept it close to the router, reset it, restarted his phone, tried and tried again it eventually connected. and it was stable after that. took him a week of frustration before it suddenly cooperated.

[modest smelt]

Question for the Admins, out of sheer curiosity, what's the member to banned accounts ratio? Trying to compare with a different server. 😛

[iron granite]

About 85:1

-# An estimation. Haven't counted the exact amount of banned accounts.

[fathom sparrow]

where are you getting that?

[iron granite]

Number of users devided by the number of banned accounts.

[fathom sparrow]

we have 11 pages of bans at either 50 per page or 100 per page (not gonna count). So we are either at .76% or .38%

[iron granite]

17 pages with each 100

[fathom sparrow]

I only see 11 pages

[iron granite]

If you click on page 11, the next ones show up.

[fathom sparrow]

oh, stupid

[iron granite]

So about 1700 banned accounts (maybe a bit less)

[fathom sparrow]

(1646/144027) = 1.14%

it's 100 per page, last page has 46

most bans are spammers

@modest smelt ^

[modest smelt]

👌 nice

Thanks for the stats

[iron granite]

Was too lazy to count the last page

[fathom sparrow]

I was too lazy too but I got curious if each page was 50 or 100

and I counted the last page and said "fuck"

[modest smelt]

Made you math 😏

[fathom sparrow]

then counted the 2nd to last page but compared to the scroll bar. 50% of the scroll bar was at 50 count

so I counted to 96

it's gonna be 1647 jorg, watch yourself

[iron granite]

@fathom sparrow So we have to ban Mraedis now?

[modest smelt]

I have a wife, a family, please 🙏

[fathom sparrow]

what server are you comparing to?

just curious

[modest smelt]

Immich

We're pretty low with 33 bans for just over 25k users

[fathom sparrow]

and are we the golden standard for fast trigger fingers?

[modest smelt]

No this is one of the few tech related discords I'm in of sufficient size

[fathom sparrow]

We probably ban 3 or 4 spammers a day

[modest smelt]

Keeping the target audience in mind it's probably the only one

[iron granite]

Most legit users behave well enough, most bans are spammers/spam bots.

[fathom sparrow]

I'd say that we probably have less than 100 bans for people who were asshats

[modest smelt]

Mechkeys might compare but probably has a lot more unruly users

[fathom sparrow]

people who actually get banned are always a topic of conversation in the mod channel and it's always been relatively light. Most people are fine

[modest smelt]

We were actually just surprised by the very low ban count, spam accounts included

[fathom sparrow]

although there's a guy who's probably got 15 bans because he keeps creating new accounts to harass Jorg 🤣

[iron granite]

There is also one on page 17 with lots of iterations.

[fathom sparrow]

Our onboarding process for the server really cuts down on spammers

thank missy for that

[modest smelt]

The worst kind of people

[fathom sparrow]

Yes, jorg is the worse

[iron granite]

[crisp oriole]

Im in a cyber security group. And if you dont onboard right. (Like you dont know the difference between hacking and cyber security ( You get the leet hackor role. Send to a seperate side of the server and being trolled

For my site i made a php backend where you need to sign up 1st. If you dont do that and join the server your send to the alien department

[static schooner]

Where you only get to chat with your washing machine?

[iron granite]

"Wash me, Seymour!"

[crisp oriole]

No even less. Its a plan to rescue the world and make a path to world peace. Who the hell wants to contribute to that.

[iron granite]

At least no weapon dealers.

[hoary iris]

Home assistant blue looked kinda neat. Shame I missed the train.

[fathom sparrow]

just get an odriod, IIRC it's the same thing

[fresh raven]

Try to use a public holiday calendar via Google Calendar using Remote Calendar integration, but it refuses to accept the ics, any ideas?

[fathom sparrow]

#1284966582375813201

[scenic radish]

And then once you get that, get rid of it and get a mini PC

Since this sparked quite the discussion last time, I want to add to this by saying reflexes are also hardware acceleration for humans

Probably more so than muscle memory

[primal laurel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/1l445wf/a_smooth_ride_through_switzerlands_bike_tunnel/

trending on reddit

[atomic delta]

Feels weird to me that Z-Wave LR isn't mesh. It makes sense, but it feels wrong.

[primal laurel]

LR defeats the purpose of a mesh

but a zwave LR node can still participate in a mesh. So you could have mesh <-> LR <-> LR <-> mesh

[static schooner]

Seems useful for the folks with a barn or workshop or guest house

[forest edge]

you rang

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/morecowbell-cowbell-snl-reaction-mrw-gif-4995713

[forest edge]

my LR4 in the basement is random as hell when it wants to connect to the network and when it doesn't

I can go months without issue then out of the blue it's like it can't connect

if I reset my wifi it will reconnect or if I leave it alone (and drive me nuts) it will eventually reconnect

[grizzled gull]

I really wish my kid would not get such good grades so I didn't have to bribe him with computer hardware :/

I told him at teh start of the trimester if he got straight A's I'd buy him a new graphics card.... what does he do, gets over 100% in 4 classes and above 95% in the others...... just ordered a 9070xt grumble

[forest edge]

"I see you got good grades again, you know what that means..."

https://tenor.com/view/house-party-belt-belt-spank-gif-11998992

[grizzled gull]

Basically

oh I hate mandatory online training, especially when they put artifical timers when you have to read things.... some of us read at higher speeds then others.

[gray summit]

Anyone know a place to off load a soonoff zigbee stick and an aeotec wave stick. I recently upgraded to the tubez dual radio kit. I’d hate to just throw them away.

[primal laurel]

Are you American?

[grizzled gull]

yes

omg this training sucks so bad, 1.5minute videos that stop when they aren't the focus

60 minutes of this crapola

horrible video, then press a few buttons then press continue..... rinse and repeat not my learning style.... torture

[ocean oar]

I'm so glad that the mandatory "security refresher" in our organisation has a "for accessibility" all-on-one-page transcript.
That said, there's literally one question (out of about 25) where the answer is some oddly industry-specific figure that I'd never bother to commit to memory so must be looked up, and the remainder are "don't be a numpty" level that they didn't even have the courage to try and trick you with, just straight up three hilariously terrible answers and one obviously correct one

[grizzled gull]

ohhh now I have a force dtimer so I can write stuff down, 90 seconds really omg torture

[tidal bronze]

Today's office is very disorienting

Only if starlink worked as expected 🤔

[last cedar]

IS THAT A RACOON IN THE TREE?!

[last cedar]

You monster!

[tidal bronze]

Sadly none! Just humidity 🤮

[last cedar]

I hate humidity

When you get boob sweat it is called "humidititties" btw

[primal laurel]

What about balls

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-balls-gif-5761107

[tidal bronze]

That's new information 😆

Gpt agrees

[forest edge]

wow, you actually getting to see green with your own eyes? wish I could see the expression on your face.. bet it's like those people who see snow for the very first time.

[tidal bronze]

That didn't last long. Little bit of sweat and I was running for the truck. Yuk!

[forest edge]

well even if it was brief it was good you got to experince some real life.

[atomic delta]

You may want to look and see if there's a flashable router firmware for that stick. If so, you can flash that and use it as a very nice range extender.

I plan on picking up some extra SLZB-07s for that purpose, since right now I'm relying on garbage routers to get across this house.

[forest edge]

they made the "newer" T1 aqara sensors be able to pair with routers and not just the coordinator right? I know someone had mentioned something in here but too lazy to use the search

never mind. apparently the T1 is still something that is rare

[crisp oriole]

Oh. You turned my fan on.

[crisp oriole]

Oh great a upgrade on my pi zero installed snapd. Claiming 30% cpu doing nothing

Better

[last cedar]

@forest edge you can send the "special" filament now, so I can start work on the army

[simple gazelle]

Why do you have a ship from a shoot-em-up holding your filament?

[last cedar]

The metal shelf to the right?

Not got around to moving that yet, the whole garage is a proper shit-tip

Now with 130W of LED lights

I got sunburnt from just testing them earlier

Anyone with any recommendations for a EU available benchtop power supply? Don't mind paying say 100 euro, but would rather pay as little as required for a quality product! Tyvm

[simple gazelle]

This thing. It reminds me of Phalanx or R-type or something

[last cedar]

(Using it for electroshock therapy on raccoon haters)

[last cedar]

Hahah fair enough.

Bambu call it the ams, no idea why it looks so funky tbh

Ams lite to be exact

[weak musk]

How do you like the A1 Michelle?

[last cedar]

Only took it out of the box so far

Will probably try it in a couple months 🤣

Can't rush these things

[solar zealot]

That's not very raccoon

They'd wash the candy and watch it disappear

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-disappear-trying-to-save-my-salary-melt-gif-9874114

[static schooner]

do raccoons wash their filiment before using it?

[hoary iris]

Is a mini PC better for running home assistant than, say home assistant yellow or green? Fairly silly question but I wonder if that's the case for anyone.

[weak musk]

Depends on what you’re doing with it. #1284966353798697001 would be the place for further discussion

[simple gazelle]

I get the feeling most HA people have a dozen other tech things they want to do, mine grew out of a NAS

[peak slate]

Want to do? Or already do? Or both, probably both

[scenic radish]

<@&330946878646517761> guess who's back

[keen bridge]

Nice to see you again! 😜

[wet pilot]

https://tenor.com/dhKxjKLPFrO.gif

[low harness]

Please don’t be Palpatine

[keen bridge]

I do love it when I get to the idiots

[last cedar]

We wash everything

Helps us feel better, I can tell what the colour of filament is by touch alone

[static schooner]

I guess it helps to identify the fake dissolving filament

[last cedar]

Also, this is the a1 mini, I cheaped out 🙂

[static schooner]

But then you miss the lols when you take a bath with your boat

[last cedar]

I thought I could do all my prototyping and probably 95% of everything I wanted on this, and either pay for abs/ asa prints or grab a "x1" in a long time

[last cedar]

Bathing with a cotton candy boat would not spark joy, that is for sure

My goal is to print some non cotton candy based raccoons and boats and make a raccoon navy

Going to make the meme about plastic in the ocean a reality

Also going to print eyepatches and swords

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-gif-21905405

-# They are practicing.

[tidal bronze]

Why would any goal to be print?

[primal laurel]

when did thunderbird have its interface overhauled? actually looks decent now

[errant creek]

Anyone running their own weather station?

[static schooner]

yep

https://shop.tempest.earth/products/tempest

[tidal bronze]

Yep, Tempest

[errant creek]

Interesting, looks very different from all the weather stations ive seen over the years. Theres no spinny things 🙂

[static schooner]

It's all solid state

Haptic sensor for rain

[solar zealot]

precise weather management
what the frick is this doing

[errant creek]

Dang, is that the future or is it going to fail in 3 months?

[static schooner]

I can literally tell it I want it to be sunny

[solar zealot]

[static schooner]

I've had mine for maybe 7 years? Since they were a kickstarter project

[solar zealot]

Is there a comparison toward ecowitt?

[errant creek]

Battery/Solar powered, no power cable? Dang this thing seems too good to be true

[static schooner]

The current model is nice because it's solar powered and I don't need to take down the flag pole that it lives on to change batteries

[errant creek]

Theres a fathers day sale to 20% off.

I guess I am in

[static schooner]

It's pretty nice

[errant creek]

Does it integrate to Wunderground too?

[static schooner]

Temp readings aren't ideal. I also have their original Air unit that lives in the shade and gives me better temp readings. But they don't make it anymore

Yes, or it did

Pretty sure I feed data to WU, and can then mine it as well.

Because I'm providing data

Yeah: https://help.tempest.earth/hc/en-us/articles/115005229547-Integrations

[last cedar]

I need decoys to preserve raccoon numbers

[tidal bronze]

Solar/battery. Self contained.

[solar zealot]

this is the most american thing. having a flag pole

[desert cave]

I got the I guess knockoff from Ecowitt https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09TZZTYPK which has been running for about a year now with no issues

[static schooner]

Looks similar

[desert cave]

yah.. it's using a capacitor for the solar charging, so should last a good long while

[solar zealot]

ecowitt got the naming confusing

this is the GS90

the GW is just the gateway

:P

theoretically a couple of their displays can also act as one for mqtt and stuff

[desert cave]

aaah interesting.. yeah that's the kit I got.. I'm amused the gateway is also recording indoor temp and humidity

[solar zealot]

they have a big ahh matrix to tell you about the features of each of them

its just not intuitive at all

[desert cave]

yeaaah

I forget who's video I watched for setting up HA integration, but that works pretty well, too

[atomic delta]

I need to get a solar weather station at some point. Though the real challenge is figuring out where to set it up. We get some impressive wind, so that can complicate things.

And then there's winter snow and ice too.

[desert cave]

yeah that can make it challenging. The wind isn't too bad here (50-60mph max), so mine is going up on a pole at the apex of my roof

[gray summit]

That’s not a bad idea!

[scenic radish]

there definitely is for the CC2652-based sonoff stick

I assume there is for the EFR one too but I don't know off the top of my head

[forest edge]

sure thing, selling your own kind back to you sounds like a profitable partnership

[atomic delta]

Oh, I didn't realize the router firmware for the SLZB-07 was first party. That's cool.

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge you got bad weather in middle earth?

[forest edge]

No? what gave you that idea?

[tidal bronze]

Look at that pile of shit in the middle. Had to droop down to Atlanta, 1 hour late for dinner.

[forest edge]

thats not really "middle" lol

[tidal bronze]

That's middle for me.

[forest edge]

f u for getting me intrigued on this ai crap. the thing is far from perfect but damn you can go down a rabbit hole.

[static schooner]

Soon, you can let it shit post here for you while you sleep!

[tidal bronze]

You're welcome ❤️

Perfection comes at the prompt

Run qwen with vscode just for shits and giggles. Highlight yaml CTRL I, optimize 😅

[forest edge]

now there is an idea!

I could remain active in this channel long after i'm dead

[static schooner]

The Europeans deserve to hear your thoughts in real time

[tidal bronze]

Lmao. "Thoughts₹ I am dying here.

[hallow plover]

Not sure where this goes. When I turn on the light in my family room, it’s turning on family room tv which actually is Google tv on my projector. I deleted it and it came back again

[tidal bronze]

Gotta check out Mission Impossible

[static schooner]

Post in the channel for whatever 'it' is

[fierce field]

Hey how can help me

[forest edge]

you gonna suspend yourself from the ceiling while using ai to write your automations?

[hallow plover]

Yea I’m not sure where it would go. I guess I’ll just pick one

[static schooner]

You said you deleted something and it came back 🤷

An #1284980040940912641 ? A #1284966582375813201 ?

[atomic delta]

I'd assume #1284966582375813201

[fierce field]

How can help me please

[atomic delta]

There are support channels. Make a thread in whichever one is most relevant.

[fierce field]

Yes but I don’t know I can do my problem on what three you can go mp ??

[atomic delta]

...are you having a stroke?

I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to ask.

[fierce field]

I said I don’t know which thread to put my problem in can you go mp ??

[atomic delta]

Not sure what "go mp" means, but you should be able to decide based on the contents of #find-support

[fierce field]

Ok thanks

How can go mp please

[scenic radish]

[tidal bronze]

Not really 😀 Wife's like why at 11 AM? I said best seats for overhead speakers.

[forest edge]

is that the middle of the theater? cause I could give two shits about speaker placement as long as I'm in the middle center row lol

I think I just made Gemini give up. Had this already complex cat weight sensor going but was trying to get it to output some other information. rather than really reading what it was giving me I would just paste it then paste the HA error from the log back into the ai (was kind of curious if it would "learn"). this went back and forth for like 7 times then it told me it couldn't give me what I wanted lmao

I think gemini has a more "human" aspect to it than chatgpt

[tidal bronze]

It's not the movie it's the speaker placement and nachos

[forest edge]

I think chatgpt understands some HA jinja a little better than gemini but gemini is certainly more "creative". it will auto put in fallbacks and other suggested changes (even if those changes break it lol)

[tidal bronze]

Gpt is bad at HA jinja

[forest edge]

what theater is this that have ultimate chicken nachos?

[tidal bronze]

Dine in AMC

[forest edge]

do think this is like giving me the finger good bye?

[forest edge]

I hate AMC

it has gone down hill so much

[tidal bronze]

Dine in and valet and I am happy

[forest edge]

lol amc with valet

you probably will have the last amc to ever exsist

[static schooner]

This isn't your parents' theater

The quality and comfort of the home theater raised the bar a lot

The last time I was in a theater I was close to yelling at the guy behind me for talking throughout the whole thing

[forest edge]

I was just at an AMC theater last year. we still had some old gift cards to burn up. it hadn't changed

think it was last year or theyear before that

[static schooner]

I still have some free passes from like 10 years ago

[forest edge]

yea ours were much older lol

[static schooner]

I don't know if they're still good

[forest edge]

well not "passes" they were just money gift cards

[tidal bronze]

Food and drink prices are outrageous. I should check often 😅

[forest edge]

just sneak your own tucked in your underwear

[tidal bronze]

The only thing I sneak is my flask with wine.

Can't do that beer shit

[static schooner]

That's a recipe for warm wine

[tidal bronze]

Middle earth issues, always!!!!

[glacial knot]

Part of the reason i've gone once in the last 12 years

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge why on earth do you guys have shit weather, always?

[atomic delta]

Go with sangria. It's one of the few things that holds up warm.

Meant to disable ping on that. Whoops.

I'm vaguely tempted to cruise through HACS to see if I can find anything interesting to mess around with. Out of sheer boredom. This seems dangerous.

[forest edge]

have you lost your marbles?

[atomic delta]

Ew, that humidity.

[forest edge]

so we get some rain from time to time.. you could have used such weather not that long ago lmao

[atomic delta]

We got some rain. It shows.

Still dropped under 10% humidity midday though.

[tidal bronze]

Marbles or JuJubees I am late because we had to skip middle earth.

[forest edge]

well that's just because we intentionally try and prevent you people from coming anywhere near us.

if someone from california was to ask me how the weather was cause they wanted to come this way i'd tell them we were experiencing a tornado, hurricane, earthquake and volcano eruption all at the same time

[atomic delta]

Hey now, California has a claim on earthquakes. That's cultural appropriation.

[tidal bronze]

This crack me up. So true!

[forest edge]

there was a video on youtube that was like titled "the daily life of a software engineer" and the dude worked for like amazon or something and this video showcased the week he was "on-call".

He complained like having to "work so much" yet showed he didn't even go to work till after 9am, left work at 5pm. he would sleep AT WORK, showed him eating at these places that I guess give huge discounts to local workers or some crap. after work he would go out to like a bar with friends and shit but yet constantly complained to the camera that he got no sleep, worked all the time

[static schooner]

Waiting for the next audition

[forest edge]

blah blah blah

these are like warning lights to me.. shit is going to crash cause at some point enough people "aren't really going to be working" is going to cause like this massive halt in the system

ai can only tackle so much lol

[desert cave]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[tidal bronze]

@static schooner not fair!

[static schooner]

Can confirm

[atomic delta]

Man, I just realized the SLZB-07 is $30. But they work so much better than the shitty $5 Tuya routers I have now. It's almost like I got what I paid for.

Ah well, I'll buy the replacements when I have actual income again.

[static schooner]

You can rob a bank any day

[atomic delta]

Yes, but I have a pulled back right now, I wouldn't get time to enjoy robbing a bank.

[astral lintel]

Not sure if this is support...looking to find out if this is possible....
Lost 1 of 2 wireless earbuds today. Was wondering if there's any way to see all BT devices picked up by my BT/ESP32 nodes and the RSSI?

[forest edge]

don't think too many in this channel use BT.

[tidal bronze]

Paired phone would be the best place to start

[atomic delta]

I just saw this, might be what you need.
https://github.com/agittins/bermuda

Never used it, so can't review it.

[ocean oar]

(eventually) Triangulate device positions! Like, on a map. Maybe.
Heh. I love honest devs

[atomic delta]

Would be a cool feature, but I can absolutely understand why it'd be a pain to implement.

[tidal bronze]

I do use some BLE and RF fans etc

https://github.com/NicoIIT/ha-ble-adv badass!

[forest edge]

why would you use RF for your fans? convert that shit already

[tidal bronze]

Most converted to sonoff ifan. Some I am lazy

[forest edge]

well if you like your fans, hold onto them as long as you can. newer fans made today are shit. I been looking to replace one of mine

[tidal bronze]

I agree

[atomic delta]

My goal has been to keep everything to zigbee/z-wave and off wifi. Partially because I have an IP reservation protocol and I don't like violating it. And I only allocated around 20 IPs for IoT.

Though if IoT devices start embracing ipv6 that'd be moot.

[tidal bronze]

But why?

[atomic delta]

Why what?

[tidal bronze]

Why limit. Makes little sense

[atomic delta]

1. With wifi devices, I have to either block WAN or accept that it's shuffling my data into the ether. Half the time I have to rely on privacy-ambiguous services to integrate that hardware. Not my preference. I like everything local.
2. I have a shitload of network devices. I'd rather not clutter 2.4GHz (very little IoT even supports 5GHz) with any more than there already is.
3. I like my IP addresses neat and orderly. I know 10.0.0.8x will be game systems for instance. This is comfortable. I may have a touch of the 'tism.

[ocean oar]

My iot devices get their own VLAN, where they can chill without having any contact with anything but the home assistant VM.
Also their own SSID, with client isolation enabled so they can't talk to each other, either

[atomic delta]

I'm in a 5000 sq.ft. house with a four-node mesh router. I don't currently have the option of adding an SSID, and it's not as cheap and easy as just throwing another router in the mix at that scale.

[tidal bronze]

• about 170 zw and 40 0r 50 zigbee works like a charm.

[forest edge]

how many routers

[tidal bronze]

2 x zigbee

[forest edge]

said routers, not cordinators

[atomic delta]

I'd imagine he means zigbee routers.

I have... Five dedicated routers (four are shit), five lightbulbs (four are shit), and a luminance sensor (kinda shit).

Oh wait! Six lightbulbs (five are shit)

Oh, and two smart plugs (these seem fine)

[tidal bronze]

I honestly don't know. I don't care much for zigbee network.

[atomic delta]

Basically if it's powered by plugging in to a wall, ceiling, or USB, it's probably a router.

[forest edge]

then why do you have 40-50 of them? lol

[tidal bronze]

I do use them but don't put much effort into it.

[atomic delta]

I do want to get z-wave devices, but at this point I'm looking at building my first few. Most stuff I'm interested in doesn't come in z-wave, is too expensive, or in some cases doesn't meet my specifications for one reason or another.

The last one there mostly applying to smoke alarms. Legally I'm pretty sure they have to be hardwired here, but hardwired and smart don't really mix.

...I wonder if it's legal to build your own smoke alarm and use it. Would have the advantage of being able to make the sensor swappable so you don't have to bin them all every 10 years. Just buy new sensors and swap them in.

...huh. This may actually be worth investigating. Still going to run $150 or so to replace all the sensors (plus the initial cost of the rest of the hardware), but that's a hell of a lot cheaper than smart detectors, and it can meet housing code.

[forest edge]

it's not a matter of "legal" it's a matter of insurance and insurance will deny a house fire from a house with "custom" fire alarms

we actually had a discussion like this in this channel once already

we as in people in this channel

[tidal bronze]

I will mess with anything but fire/smoke alarms.

[forest edge]

I put those x-sense one's in moms house. been pretty pleased with them so far

not "crazy" about the whole cloud api aspect of them and requiring a hub etc but the units themselves are solid

[tidal bronze]

I don't have an alarm but fire is connected. I let the professionals handle that.

[forest edge]

i don't use the house alarm through them

[ocean oar]

I have these ridiculously tiny things
https://www.cavius.com/2002-10-year-smoke-alarm/
Their bigger ones have wireless to set them all off at once, and some kind of hub you can buy, but these ones are just standalone

[forest edge]

mesh was a requirement for me

i didn't want the basement one going off and my mom not hearing it so I needed them all to trigger. and the voice prompt saying which one set them off is nice

[atomic delta]

Worth consideration, yeah. All I want is the ability to identify which alarm is chirping or went off. Big house, 10-15 alarms (I can't be arsed to count them right now), and some strange topology to make the chirp direction unclear. It can be a real pain to identify where the right one is. And being able to see battery level would be nice too.

[ocean oar]

Will probably buy the wireless ones in 2030 when the current lot are due for replacement. But I'm not replacing them early if I don't have to

[forest edge]

technically they are all wireless lol

[ocean oar]

Listen here you little shit...

[atomic delta]

I would, but at around $30 each -minimum-, that's a costly replacement for 10+ alarms.

[forest edge]

by law here smoke alarms have to have battery (even as backup). not sure if the wireless mesh is required by law but know they all have it. even the zwave ones

wired smoke alarms are a dead fad anymore

[forest edge]

why you buy the packs

I think i got 7 for like 50 bucks lol

[atomic delta]

Never seen them that cheap.

[forest edge]

amazon

packs

it helps when the company is somewhat new too.. seems like any company that "blows" up the price does too. first alert is a prime example of that

they wanted like 70 bucks for one mesh talking smoke slarm at one point

when our first alert(s) die in this house i'm switching to x-sense

[atomic delta]

Lol, I was just looking at x-sense. Every single one has to be connected individually to wifi?

[forest edge]

no

and you gotta be careful cause they have a mesh line and a non mesh line

they require the hub and the hub only connects to your network via wifi but the alarms all connect to the hub with the same mesh frequency

some 900ish mhz

[atomic delta]

Ah, the ones I was looking at say they can't connect to the hub.

[forest edge]

XS0B-MR are the smoke ones. the MR at the end i think indicates if they are mesh ones

that or it indicates they are the talking ones

can't remember

[atomic delta]

Wonder if there's an option to have my cake and eat it. Get the homemade alarm explicitly tested and approved by the insurance company in advance. They'd probably just refuse though.

Looks like going with x-sense would run me about $400. Using the bundles.

[forest edge]

just how many would you need

[atomic delta]

I could go around and count, but it's somewhere in the 10-15 range. I'm estimating 11 for that $400.

[forest edge]

well if you are living in a mansion then 400 shouldn't be an issue

[atomic delta]

Living in a big house doesn't mean I'm loaded. My parents had their dream house built, then while it was being built a flood came through and -literally- ripped our prior house in half, sending most of our belongings down the river in the process.

We live in the dream house, but between that flood, a shitty contractor, and a startup company that got greedy and screwed us, we manage. We don't thrive.

Proof, because why not.

[forest edge]

well depending on the layout you could cut some corners. smoke does rise afterall

[atomic delta]

Honestly the biggest pain is the detector mounted near the high point of a room with a sloped ceiling that peaks at... I want to say 18 feet?

[atomic delta]

Just went around and counted. 11.

I found one I didn't realize was there and found one lacking where I thought there was one. So my count from memory turned out right either way.

[forest edge]

you know if all you needed was a means of knowing when a smoke alarm went off there are other ways to achieve that. prior to me switching to x-sense I was using sound detection in frigate which has a fire alarm model

if any of the cameras that could record sound heard a fire alarm went off I used HA to notify me

[atomic delta]

I have no cameras though. :P

Well, other than the one in my 3d printer.

[forest edge]

but you could probably rig up some kind of sound recorder

even if it wasn't through frigate that means was from a stand alone project that was impoirted into frigate so you wouldn't have to have frigate

[atomic delta]

It's not a bad idea. Apparently we use AAA for home insurance, so getting a homemade detector approved could actually happen potentially. I'll build a PoC at some point and find out. Worst case I have an extra detector to throw somewhere.

[forest edge]

you would have to look to see if an intergration already exsists for HA or not tho

[atomic delta]

We have the obnoxious beeping detectors, no fancy voice ones, so easy to detect.

Hm... Actually, I was considering getting a pile of ESP32s to use with Bermuda, I suppose I could get ones with a microphone.

[forest edge]

I got these little custom button cards on my dashboard that I been meaning to make them look better so I figured I would see if gemini could help me with that... nope.. it completely barfed trying.

[pulsar umbra]

yeesss

just realised my struggle with my ESP cam was due to the wifi repeater wich block dns or smth

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/dns-haiku-dns-haiku-tech-pod-it-was-dns-gif-27399037

[pulsar umbra]

Shit is real

[stuck anchor]

it isn't often that it is dns for me, but now it has been dns twice in 4 days 😄 first i forgot to boot one of my dns servers after a power outage, then a dns problem for my work thin client

[clear ferry]

Fun having adaptive lights

File "/usr/local/lib/python3.13/site-packages/astral/sun.py", line 822, in sunset
raise ValueError(msg) from exc
ValueError: Sun is always above the horizon on this day, at this location.
2025-06-07 18:46:56.757 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant] Error doing job: Task exception was never retrieved (None)