the-water-cooler

[glacial knot]

not a dev but doing scrum....

[deft pewter]

Sus

[glacial knot]

Hey, that's what I tell my manager as well

[crisp oriole]

Its not about the testing. Its about the reproduceabilty of the tests.

[deft pewter]

A bit more constructively... the features all existed. The data was all there. You'll be getting flak from the Linux crowd because they don't want to have to talk to a voice assistant, run an LLM, and pipe back the output... when it should've been proactive alerts in the first place. You just run something like monit (FOSS) with metrics and thresholds, and it'll tell you when something crosses a threshold.

[unborn merlin]

and yet, you cared enough to go shitpost to people who actually just despite your garbage.

[deft pewter]

If you cared about reproducability, you'd cut LLMs out of the loop. They're not testable in the same way other code is. They give varying results each time, even if it's just slightly different wording of the same answers.

You can't automate the test validation, so they're crap in terms of testing.

And again... no-one's criticising how you solved something for your needs. It just doesn't fit with the ethos of the crowd you shared it with.

monit is frigging fantastic by the way. So easy to configure: https://mmonit.com/monit/

I get alerts when things like Docker instances go down (because I've also configured sensible healthchecks on each container)

[crisp oriole]

I look into that. I need some monitoring systems "i know" With for example email alert. Fixing sounds nice.

[unborn merlin]

I wonder why the OS community hates ai. /s https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/05/open-source-project-curl-is-sick-of-users-submitting-ai-slop-vulnerabilities/ (among other things.)

[crisp oriole]

Anyway getting all the info into home assistant notmaly is like 7 systems times ~15 sensors. Instead or one script. If you dont want to use any llm

[crisp oriole]

O yeah thats not where i would ever use ai for.

[unborn merlin]

Hint: it comes from the same place.

[crisp oriole]

Translating text is something diffrent that finding security bugs with out making a real exploit

[unborn merlin]

no, its in fact the same thing

its translating the text

"Go find a bug in this program so I can fradulently make money by sitting on my ass doing nothing."

[crisp oriole]

"With out making a real exploit"

[primal laurel]

you need to discriminate between people using AI as a tool, and people tossing AI outputs over the fence. Using AI to find bugs is a valid usecase but only if you know what you're doing

[unborn merlin]

see except.. real exploits are worthy of being rteported.

[unborn merlin]

except judging by the curl devs.. it does not fucking actually happen by and large.

[primal laurel]

what they are complaining about has nothing to do with actual cybersecurity. This is more like a scam where they just hope something sticks

[unborn merlin]

yes.

Welcome to what AI is really good at.

Sorry.

Correction.

"AI" aka slop generators.

thesea ren'ta ctually ai and we aren't gonna see that shit anytime soon 😄

[primal laurel]

why do you type like this

[crisp oriole]

You dont have to talk like a robot with home assistant with ai

[primal laurel]

anyway, no this is not something where you would dump AI output unfiltered

one example of what does work: https://codeql.github.com/

[glacial knot]

why not?

[deft pewter]

Oh, nice. Someone's managed to shoehorn LLMs into DAST/SAST now too. fml

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/funnyvideos/s/GEK6OCjDTv

[primal laurel]

perfect application for it.

[deft pewter]

lol no

Even fuzzing doesn't need a fucking LLM.

Bullshit generators generate bullshit, not meaningful security analytics.

I wonder which idiots are sitting down thinking "how can we make this existing process slower, more expensive and less reliable?"

[solar zealot]

so it's just like an llm

[primal laurel]

you really don't know what you're talking about. This is not generating bullshit, this is reading code.

reading lots and lots of code...

[deft pewter]

So it can do what? What's the output?

Because there are already other LLM-based tools that have read lots and lots of code. Like the entire content of GitHub. And they still generate... bullshit.

Copilot sucks at anything but the simplest tasks.

[primal laurel]

eh no. It does very well.

[deft pewter]

loooool

Even the folk trying to sell us these things are openly admitting that they're getting worse and that they don't know why.

Even Sam frigging Altman admits it.

[primal laurel]

that is about hallucination in the larger reasoning models, has nothing to do with copilot

[solar zealot]

i have only seen llms output reasonable code once on a two list join

[deft pewter]

The models are the problem though. Add RAG. Add agentic flows. Add tool calling. You might eventually get a good result if you add enough *non-*LLM parts to the tool.

[primal laurel]

none of that is used for copilot

[deft pewter]

The rest of the flow is guardrails that have to work overtime to keep the shitshow on the rails.

[deft pewter]

Now you're trolling, right?

Copilot absolutely has agents and tool calling. It absolutely uses RAG against your open repos.

[primal laurel]

I am talking about github copilot btw. Not whatever microsoft is doing which is also called copilot

[deft pewter]

It's not writing 'perfect' code out of nowhere.

You mean this GitHub Copilot that uses agents? https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/building-copilot-extensions/building-a-copilot-agent-for-your-copilot-extension/about-copilot-agents

This one they launched earlier this year? https://github.blog/news-insights/product-news/github-copilot-the-agent-awakens/

For someone that works with AI, you seem awfully disconnected.

[primal laurel]

I dont know what that is, but it is completely separate from the codegen part

[deft pewter]

Except it's entirely integral to the code gen.

[primal laurel]

no, its not

[deft pewter]

You literally engage with it in your IDE to... generate code...

[primal laurel]

no you dont

have you even used copilot?

[deft pewter]

And it's the best output I've seen of all the AI tools I've used, but only because of the guard rails provided by the agent and tool calling and RAG .

Dude. Go use it. Tell me it's not part of Copilot so we can laugh some more.

[primal laurel]

you're just showing how clueless you are about AI

[deft pewter]

Your biggest rebuttal so far has been 'Copilot doesn't have agent mode', in the face of GitHub's own press release launching said feature. 😉

[celest kayak]

@tidal bronze Not if you want to maintain code compliance (in the US, at least, probably elsewhere in the world, too). They make recessed outlets so the plug can be inside the wall, but you can't really cover it with more than a clock or painting that hangs over it (like a safe in a spy movie).
Besides, if you put a receptacle in a wall, plug in the wall-wart, then drywall over it, what the heck you gonna do when the wall wart dies?

[deft pewter]

Time to get the plunge cutter out

[solar zealot]

sell the house

[deft pewter]

I like your thinking. Make it someone else's problem.

[primal laurel]

the codegen part of copilot (including copilot chat, which I dont use much) does not use agents. Seems like it's only available in preview mode

[tidal bronze]

Why would you drywall over a wart?🤣

[deft pewter]

You just know QF has Vermeers covering them

[peak slate]

Why don't you have a drywall guy on standby, just call him in to cover and uncover the wall warts

How much can a drywall patch cost anyway, $10?

[primal laurel]

@deft pewter you mean this?

'agent mode'

[deft pewter]

Yes. Agent mode. The thing that marries LLMs and an agentic flow into an improved codegen tool.

You're catching up.

[primal laurel]

lmao. I think you're the one catching up

[primal laurel]

so this is total BS

[deft pewter]

Sorry. I forgot it only counts as code gen if you walk right up to the LLM and talk to it directly.

No middle men allowed.

But this is still just a tangent. You didn't answer what the other tool outputs that isn't codegen.

[celest kayak]

You'd be amazed at what some people do...

[tidal bronze]

Yep, I've seen a thing or two 😀

[nimble grove]

hi

[primal laurel]

I'd have to do some research first to figure out how these security tools operate with LLMs. There seems to be a detection and fix suggestion part, could be done by different models where one is better at code gen. SonarQube seems to have similar features now

[peak slate]

Then you can submit the bugs to curl to really annoy the devs!

The "bugs" I should clarify

[deft pewter]

So either there's an LLM with no guardrails and you get slop, or there are a bunch of guardrails trying to steer the sloptrain back to where the existing tools already managed to drive.

SAST/DAST/fuzzing all existed years before this LLM bull.

[crisp oriole]

Still talking about llms?

Going to check out monit.

[primal laurel]

LLMs expand on what these tools can do and the type of vulnerabilities they detect. And then add a bunch of stuff on top, like suggesting fixes. Anyway I dont have to explain it, you can read it yourself. My only point was there is clearly an industry for this type of LLM job

[crisp oriole]

@deft pewter im trying monit but all the scripts in debian are not updated for systemd

[stuck anchor]

i just got feedback from that ms code assistant thing that i used an uninitialized variable in an if block in my bash script.
it did not notice that the whole block could never be called...
using artificial stupidity to vet git merges - what can go wrong...

[deft pewter]

there is clearly an industry for this type of LLM job
Yes, there's always opportunity for a new grift.

[deft pewter]

I don't have any suggestions. Been a long time since I set up mine, so I don't even remember how to set it up 🫠

[crisp oriole]

Well chatgpt burned my monit config. Saying systemd got all sorts of build in stuff
While i just wanted to monior my disk space.

[deft pewter]

GPT for something that takes seconds to google? 😅 https://serverfault.com/questions/528509/how-to-set-up-monit-to-monitor-disk-space

The example in the monit docs looks good too: https://mmonit.com/monit/documentation/monit.html#SPACE-USAGE-TEST

[crisp oriole]

I used docs. I verify with llm

Cant find good docs for systemd services

[deft pewter]

What are you trying to get it to monitor?

Just if a service is running?

[solar zealot]

df -H or something

Idk my disks don't go full ;D

[deft pewter]

The only time I cared about space was when I had a larger than usual AWS bill for my S3 usage. Not long after I started using Frigate. Yeah... my scheduled backup was sending all my recordings/thumbs/snapshots/etc to S3 😂

[solar zealot]

Mhmmm

[crisp oriole]

Im low budget. Dont got a very large ssd as /

[solar zealot]

spend less compute on llms, it pays for itself :P

or just don't hoard data

[deft pewter]

Have you asked your LLM how to get rich? 😅

[crisp oriole]

No never. I think it will come with stupid stuff like let me go exploit hunt for you.

[deft pewter]

But Stefan reckons they're fantastic at finding vulnerabilities.

[crisp oriole]

So why do they need me.

[deft pewter]

To prompt them

[crisp oriole]

Anway im disabled cant work fair from fulltime.

Perhaps i get rich if my plan to save the world gets more attention as side project

[deft pewter]

You seem passionate about fixing/making things and you have an interest in tech. You said earlier that you're not a dev, but that's the kind of motivations that usually end up getting you a dev job... not interested in that?

If you ask certain people here, they'll tell you I know nothing about tech, and I'm earning well as a dev.

[primal laurel]

I thought you were a sys admin lol

[deft pewter]

Point me to where I claimed that.

I'm a dev/architect. I work mostly on serverless backends. I occasionally poke around in our servers if the guy that's actually good at it is busy/off.

[primal laurel]

that was just my own deduction

[deft pewter]

Not a good one 😂

Like many people here, I know enough about systems to manage what I need for hobby stuff. I'd never make it my career.

But even working with serverless, I end up having to pick up nonsense like Apache VTL sometimes 🤢

T-shaped model and all that, eh?

[lost adder]

Hey, I don't know where my question fits in, I'm brand new to automation. It's about the purchase of a Green. Is it only for Home Assistant or can it also be extended?

[red rock]

how do you mean extended?

[lost adder]

If you want to use other “containers” on the green later on or want to store things. For example, I wanted to use Paperless NGX, but I was advised to outsource it.

I don't have a home server yet, the Green would be the first.

[red rock]

you can run those in add-ons

[grizzled gull]

Server is a loose term there 🙂

[red rock]

But I think that advice is kinda correct, since you probably want a bit more safeguards for paperless

like backups and/or redundant storage

(but that is my personal opinion)

[lost adder]

Mh okay, then I'll have to deal with it more, I didn't want to buy several “small servers” right now.

[deft pewter]

You don't really need several. Get one decent NUC / mini PC. They're usually capable enough to run a bunch of containers/services all at once. Many of us run HA + myriad other stuff on a single NUC.

You'll figure out ways to keep those services separate and secure.

[lost adder]

Okay, then I'll probably go for a NUC first and see how the whole thing works. I'll have to get a “Synology” backup system or something similar anyway.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/we-know-nothing-about-this-guy-eric-cartman-kyle-broflovski-south-park-s16e10-gif-23122664

[deep python]

buy a big server and use vm's

[clear ferry]

VMs, what is this, 2010?

[robust flicker]

I'm waiting on a PSU for my server build. I have a 2014-era Xeon supermicro board with 32G of ECC RAM and a 1275 CPU.

Ordered said PSU (a BeQuiet 650W) on May 7th. It still hasn't shipped. Meh.

[clear ferry]

Should have ordered the BeFast instead

[robust flicker]

Rule #1. If you're going to be a smartass, be funny. 🤣

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/dick-jerk-gif-20369757

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-frog-gif-27124187

[desert cave]

Serverless just means someone else's server :P

[forest edge]

Just nothing on the news amirite

[tacit sonnet]

Homeassistant hosted on AWS with USB-IP forwarders for the zigbee antennae

high speed

[forest edge]

that wouldn't be local now would it

[tacit sonnet]

local is a spectrum

[clear ferry]

Yikes

[glacial knot]

Yea. At least Run a networked coordinator local

[tacit sonnet]

Meeting new friends who control the light bulbs is a feature

[olive cobalt]

hey yall!

I am working on setting up a custom open wake word addon...and I am having issues of the plugin detecting not only my custom wake word but even the presets...

would love some help 🙂

[weak musk]

#1284966915055288530

[olive cobalt]

thanks 🙂

[tidal bronze]

Only this

[forest edge]

21 years.. nice. not even sure how old mine is lol

[tidal bronze]

Can't be more than 21 🙂

[clear ferry]

Sounds about right

[forest edge]

yea I have no idea. I actually used my isp email for awhile so I doubt mine is anywhere near that old

[clear ferry]

It was during my apprenticeship that Gmail came out

I got in during the beta

Had been using Hotmail from 97 or so

And ISP mails before that

[tidal bronze]

Started with beta as well.

[deft pewter]

I'm completely okay with that if it means not having to manage a server.

[static schooner]

Wasn't it in beta for like 10 years?

[tidal bronze]

Don't remember. Glad it wasn't terminated like everything google.

[grizzled gull]

18 years here :/

You can check in google mail settings

[forest edge]

don'tthink google ever terminated anything I ever used lol

aside from maybe hangouts for a short period

[grizzled gull]

I still have hotmail account too

[static schooner]

Looks like 5 years of beta

[tidal bronze]

Gmail is about 21 years old, having been launched on April 1, 2004. It was initially a beta service, with invitations required for account creation, but was opened to the public on February 14, 2007

[clear ferry]

Still need a MS account to register you azure certs against

So I've kept my [e-mail]

[weak musk]

Where?

[grizzled gull]

To find out how old your Gmail account is, you can check your account settings or by examining your oldest emails. Go to your Gmail settings, then click on "See all settings" and navigate to "Forwarding and POP/IMAP." Under "POP downloads," you'll see a line stating "Status: POP is enabled for all mail that has arrived since..." which indicates the date your account was created. Alternatively, you can sort your "All Mail" by oldest to newest and look for the initial verification email or the oldest email sent/received.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:

1. Account Settings Method:
   Go to your Gmail settings: Click the gear icon on the top right of your Gmail page, then select "See all settings".
   Navigate to Forwarding and POP/IMAP: In the settings, locate and click on the "Forwarding and POP/IMAP" tab.
   Find the creation date: Under the "POP downloads" section, look for the line that says "Status: POP is enabled for all mail that has arrived since..." The date following this statement is your account creation date.

[forest edge]

I remember the invitations. so mine is before they made it open

cause I did have to get that

[peak slate]

Dang you must not use many Google services then

They've killed so many things I used

Igoogle still hurts, inbox, hangouts, play music, play books, play tv

I gave up on any new Google service, that way Google degoogles me Rather than having to really take the initiative

[forest edge]

no i really didn't. I didn't even like gmail and still don't like some aspects of it

you can tell it's forwarded system was made by someone who prefers to just stare at a command prompt but was instructed to make a gui for it

[peak slate]

I've considered getting my own email setup on my domain and use Microsoft for it (if it's my own domain I can at least change providers and keep all my incoming mail)

[forest edge]

i did use google desktop app thing they did before the google search really took off.. i think yahopo search was top dog back then

[shell marsh]

Any one else having iOS app losing settings since upgrade?

[deft pewter]

Thanks, ChatGPT

I love the 'more detailed breakdown' which was just the same thing with... linebreaks.

[clear ferry]

HaikuGPT

[hoary canyon]

I just use iCloud now. Trying to get away from Google

Hide my Email is awesome. I mainly use it so I can disable email addresses it generates whenever I want to avoid my inbox being filled with spam

[grizzled gull]

I saved you typing it into the search engine 😛

[primal laurel]

apple is just as evil as google

[hoary canyon]

They’re definitely not perfect, better than Google in my eyes though

Not a hard bar 🙂

[primal laurel]

have you followed what they have been doing to right to repair and consumer rights?

fucking despicable

[grizzled gull]

Worse then John Deere?

[hoary canyon]

Yes I have. Like I said not perfect, but in terms of user privacy they have better standards than someone like Google or Meta

[primal laurel]

apple also uses your data whether they will tell you or not

[hoary canyon]

As do most major companies

[primal laurel]

exactly

[grizzled gull]

What I think is hillarious is they say phone mic's aren't recording everything single thing we say, yet my wife and I can talk about something over lunch and 10 minutes later is showing up on her phone as an add

[primal laurel]

https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/znpnjodxapl/Epic - Apple contempt order - Gonzalez Rogers - 20250430.pdf

Apple’s response to the Injunction strains credulity. After two sets of evidentiary hearings, the truth emerged. Apple, despite knowing its obligations thereunder, thwarted the Injunction’s goals, and continued its anticompetitive conduct solely to maintain its revenue stream. Remarkably, Apple believed that this Court would not see through its obvious cover-up (the 2024 evidentiary hearing). To unveil Apple’s actual decision-making process, not the one tailor-made for litigation, the Court ordered production of real-time documents and ultimately held a second set of hearings in 2025.

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

[hoary canyon]

Roku loves their logs

[hoary canyon]

If you think that’s bad, look at vehicles…

https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/

[grizzled gull]

I don't own a vehicle with a cellphone reception

Well I lied I do, but I've also removed the head unit on one of them

[hoary canyon]

Lucky, hard nowadays to even find one without connected services

and if you do manage to find one, usually the car will complain if you take the module out endlessly

[grizzled gull]

My Wrangler had Uconnect, but its gone now

[hoary canyon]

Yeah, I’ve replaced my Cherokee’s Uconnect also

it was an older model though without CarPlay

[grizzled gull]

I went with an android unit that just functions as a carplay reciever

well android auto for me, but can do carplay too

[hoary canyon]

same haha

[static schooner]

you know that you're inviting us to critique your choice of music, right?

[deft pewter]

That was my first thought

[hoary canyon]

was just a random station lol

[deft pewter]

Yeah, yeah

[grizzled gull]

There is no such thing as random, it uses past choices to make it "Random"

[static schooner]

<proud Swiftie>

[weak musk]

Note the note

[grizzled gull]

early stuff is better IMO

[hoary canyon]

🤣

2000s r&b is where it’s at

[static schooner]

I like the early stuff and the later stuff. Kinda went off the rails in the middle IMO

[grizzled gull]

90's country is where its really at though, been down hill ever since

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/mariah-carey-not-yet-no-i-dont-know-how-am-i-supposed-to-know-gif-23519110

[hoary canyon]

I’m the opposite, newer country is like Pop IMO

[grizzled gull]

That is teh entire problem

[static schooner]

with some rap 🤷

[weak musk]

Cash or not at all thank you very much

[hoary canyon]

I don’t mind pop personally, lots of people prefer older country for that reason though yeah

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-cash-gif-10468704

[deft pewter]

If it's not about parking lot parties, is it even country?

[tidal bronze]

You sure?

[smoky totem]

Hello All, new to HA. Was reading up about bluetooth speakers and connecting to external speakers and it seem like the easiest way to go about this if via a wifi speaker like Sonos right? Many thanks.

[hoary canyon]

Are you trying to have TTS announcements or something like a voice assistant?

also #1284966915055288530

or #1284966353798697001

[smoky totem]

TTS for now and maybe VA down the line. Just wanted to have a speaker that says the door is open when the state changes.

I saw someone asked that question too but they didn't go explanation... but I'll take a look. Thanks for the navigation

[primal laurel]

@deft pewter found a good livestream for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBTUPCRWl2c

[static schooner]

The little clip that I just saw made them sound as clueless as I was with all those terms

[deft pewter]

Oh, yay. Vibe coding. How to say you can't do your job.

And for the love of Dog, stop pinging me.

[primal laurel]

I explicitly didn't ping you lol

[deft pewter]

That explains the coloured background 🤡

[primal laurel]

it's silent, shouldnt give you any kind of notification

[deft pewter]

It turns out unmuting you to avoid clicking through all the 'show message' crap and to give you another chance wasn't worth the effort.

[primal laurel]

you really are slow.

doesnt ping

gets mad for pinging

mfw

[red rock]

[primal laurel]

@red rock HEY

[red rock]

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/loud-noises-anchorman-yelling-yell-gif-5294834

[forest solstice]

sus

[iron heart]

It's a fridge

Oh, the measurement thing?

Tasmota+manually calibrated with a lightbulb&kill-a-watt

[ocean oar]

Its face really says all that you need to know

[tall wolf]

Where would I go in here to ask for help with say, integrating an MJPEG IP camera?

[static schooner]

#1284966582375813201

[tall wolf]

thanks :)

[iron heart]

Hey, it works really well!

It is actually overspecced

The one I opened up had a 20a relay inside

[pearl lagoon]

Finally got my CM5, installed, aaannnddd nothing 😞. Hopefully my support post gets an answer.

I was wanting to play with it tonight!

(Minor vent finished)

*It being the HA yellow

[velvet mulch]

do the ESPhome community have a discord?

[glacial knot]

Yea https://discord.gg/ACMpeVcv

[velvet mulch]

love you xox

[clear ferry]

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/what-you-gonna-do-mad-southpark-fight-gif-4931278

[civic citrus]

Just a quick question before i go into #support does anyone know if I can check if my Thread border router dongle actually works in HA?

[deft pewter]

Someone in support would know

[crisp oriole]

Good god... a friend ask for windows support over the phone. After some weird does not work. I ask how does the start button look like.
-its round.

[deft pewter]

Round? As in... Vista/7? 😮

Could be worse, I suppose. Plenty of systems still using XP 🫠

[crisp oriole]

I dont know windows that well. But arnt you an expert if you still have xp running?

[iron granite]

The German Railways is still looking for admins for Windows 3.11 for Workgroups.

[crisp oriole]

Interview question. Shows a floppy disk. -what is this?

[iron granite]

https://archive.org/details/win3_stock

[glacial knot]

A floppy floppy or the modern stuff?

[iron granite]

8" or 5.25" floppy floppy?

[crisp oriole]

5.25 i hope

[deft pewter]

Expert? I'm not sure that's the word for someone that continues to use something that's no longer receiving any security patches.

[crisp oriole]

With me xp crashed lots of times. Requiring a reinstall. If you still got xp running your an xp expert.

[primal laurel]

if you still run xp it will be a very old system without access to internet (i hope). To keep it running just dont touch it lol

[crisp oriole]

schrodingers operating system

[civic citrus]

I raise you schrodingers lock - U200 that says failed to connect but when trying to pair again it says its connected to a matter controller

[crisp oriole]

Check.

[primal laurel]

quantum lock. Either working or not working, but when you use it suddenly breaks down

[ivory fjord]

anyone give these a try?

[solar zealot]

Its the same sensor Apollo uses if I remember right

[lunar remnant]

Yeah it is

[ivory fjord]

Gotcha, going to give it a try.

[civic citrus]

Pressed try again - left phone for 15mins it connected or well says adding device

[lost adder]

Uff :D I'm only at 15 servers^^

[mild canopy]

is it any good?

[deft pewter]

I'd give it a 5/7

[solar zealot]

a perfect score

[mild canopy]

good enough for bedroom monitoring?

i was thinking about getting some CO2 sensor for myself cause i suspect the ventilation might be lacking.

[solar zealot]

It's alright of a sensor

[mild canopy]

speaking of CO2 😛

[solar zealot]

Works as advertised

No idea what additional things he did or didn't do to it

[mild canopy]

got myself CO2 refil connector.

and an 8L CO2 tank.

should pay itself off in 20 refils or so and then CO2 for cheap! 🙂

the refill service providers put on the shrink wraps to signify it's full and protect the valve a bit.

[deft pewter]

Why do you need a CO2 detector? You know there's CO2 right there!

[mild canopy]

i'm thinking of 3D printing some caps

[solar zealot]

But that if it runs out ;X

Doesn't someone make such adapter to plug the big guy into the stream thing

[mild canopy]

they do.

but i don't have room for the bottle in the kitchen.

[frank olive]

Hi all, whats the generally considered best video doorbell these days? I've got rings currently, but its frankly getting on my nerves with just how flaky they are. which ones are better than ring and are best for integrating with HA? (and don't cost a crazy amount)

[deft pewter]

#1284966353798697001

[solar zealot]

You wouldn't say that if you were thinking about welding in the kitchen!

[mild canopy]

i live in a commie block and the kitchen layout is not very favorable for such things.

[solar zealot]

Screwed onto the wall

Oh my haha

[mild canopy]

lol

actually... on top of the cupboards could work. but might be to hot some times.

AAAnyway.

i'm thinking of printing some sort of a cap and i'm trying to come up with a good way to indicate the bottle is full or empty

[frank olive]

groan. why is it seemingly impossible to have a normal chat in this discord server any more 😕 if i wanted to post on a forum, i'd use the HA forums or reddit! discord is for live chat

[mild canopy]

not just by putting the cap on, but also somehow by making the cap change indication when taken off and so i can reset it later.

[mild canopy]

i feel you bro. we had this discussion the other night. i still don't quite understand the reasoning for why there can't be #general-discussion area.

[iron granite]

[solar zealot]

it's all about organization at scale
But this will continue to come up every once in a while as with the nature of it

[primal laurel]

we haven't had this discussion in at least 24 hours. Lets start another one

[mild canopy]

any ideas? i was thinking maybe some spring loaded part in the cap that prevents it from being put back the "full" side up on an empty bottle.

the top of the bottle is just straight cylinder

[solar zealot]

Id just print two different colors

Please don't put an llm onto the cap to tell you

[frank olive]

but the organisation is still "wrong". I'm looking to discuss options for a doorbell, right? so why would I post something in Hardware support channel. that makes little sense. I'm not looking for support, i just want to find out what others in the immediate vicinity are using and what they think. its not taking up any additional resources to chat about it here or a normal chat channel. but hey ho, i'm sure there must be other HA related discord channels which arent so fussy. just sad that its the main one.

[iron granite]

I am sure, you will find a Discord that fits your needs.

[primal laurel]

just go to https://community.home-assistant.io/

[unborn merlin]

🤣

[iron granite]

They also have a chat.

[solar zealot]

chat is this real?

[static schooner]

seemed like a cesspool to me, but yeah

[frank olive]

which doesn't work. there are no channels. 🤷🏻‍♂️ never mind

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/it-didnt-happen-just-gif-25155831

[crisp oriole]

Reality is relative.

[simple gazelle]

@gork is this real? @mork do you agree?

[forest edge]

cannot for the life of me figure out why the failover wan on my opnsense can send hundreds of MB's in and 0 data out when it's the inactive connection. I get some data for the monitor aspect and ping but a quarter of a gig of data in a day? lol

[solar zealot]

well it would need to constantly check availability for fail over to make sense

[forest edge]

pings every few mins should be that big

shouldn't

[solar zealot]

it likely does dns lookups aswell

Or it joined a botnet and does seed the latest anime series

[forest edge]

sounds about right

[unborn merlin]

almost time to hit send on the esp thermostat control board thing.. 🤔

[primal laurel]

Needs mounting holes

[unborn merlin]

still working on the last bits; yes

[unborn merlin]

or perhaps I'm just not a shitter and use snap fits on my 3d printer...

[primal laurel]

better safe than sorry

[unborn merlin]

safe? pfft, its just 24VAC (well, 28 because of course nothing can be simple..)

[olive cobalt]

hey has anyone tried setting up home assistant with a connected pc locally running LLM, TTS, and STT instead of the home assistant cloud?

[forest edge]

if you can think it, someone has already done it

[olive cobalt]

haha

[glacial knot]

I don't run an LLM but I have the built-in assist with local TTS/STT

granted, on some horribly slow hardware

[stiff roost]

anyone seen gemma 3n release?
seems great for voice because it's only 4b params and has native audio input so no need for stt
https://ai.google.dev/gemma/docs/gemma-3n

[olive cobalt]

How did you connect the local hardware TTS/STT to the pi...cause I am planning to run
OpenWakeWord (pi) -> Whisper-x (STT on my pc) -> LocalAI (Variety of LLM models) -> Orpheous (TTS) -> Pi
and connect the LocalAI models to the conversation agent within the assist feature

Also I am looking into LocalAGI and LocalRecall to integrate my pc with home assistant to basically have a Jarvis like AI that can basically control everything in my house and computer autonomously with context awareness

[olive cobalt]

Looks cool. will look into it

[civic citrus]

im surrendering fuck this shit Sonoff V2 dongle flashed with openthread but the fucking shit just wont work guess ill just buy a shitty apple-TV

[deft pewter]

Why buy a shitty Apple TV when the regular ones are just fine?

[civic citrus]

[deft pewter]

I don't even like Apple and I love our Apple TV.

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/sdb4rNFRzU0?si=skuiOd99HFV1otbX

[tidal bronze]

Looking good

[static schooner]

Look out, Ecobee!

[unborn merlin]

just need buttons mostly to pick for last bit.. and maybe make the bottom of the board with buttons/leds snap-off to be mounted elsewhere.. maybe

[unborn merlin]

not for the same purpose.. 😛

[tidal bronze]

Why buttons. Automate the shit out of it. 😀

[unborn merlin]

in case of issues.

if homeassistant goes off.

and heat is needed.

go poke button.

[forest edge]

yea fully automated hvac would suck

[tidal bronze]

Ahhh. HA goes off you have issues. At least I do

[unborn merlin]

I mean it will be basically full-auto when done..

[forest edge]

you have to atleast have an option to kick on emergency heat

[tidal bronze]

Haven't touched a thermostat in ages.

[tidal bronze]

Middle earth issues.

[unborn merlin]

SSRS for controlling things, Opto's for reading inputs back from stuff..

Onewire for shoving a bunch of DS18B20 sensors into the HVAC air handler..

then remote sensors ontop of that

[forest edge]

everywhere but california issues

i've only had to use emergency heat once but glad it was there when I needed it

[tidal bronze]

Emergency heat? What kinda heat is that?

[unborn merlin]

like, if heat pump fails to work

then use oil-based or gas furnace to heat

[tidal bronze]

More greek.

Pumps, emergency life sounds complicated

[forest edge]

you own a gas oven don't you? you've heard of such things

[tidal bronze]

Forever natural gas.

[forest edge]

then you know what ng heat is lol

[tidal bronze]

Of course, heating here is NG but what's this emergency heat?

[unborn merlin]

should be sufficient enough with this board.. half tempted to make it a little bigger and add some redundancy stuff for more input controls but ehhhhhh

[forest edge]

you never heard of a heat pump?

[unborn merlin]

emergency heat is just your backup heat source if other things fail..

so.. gas/resistive electric/oil/etc

[forest edge]

I hope LA gets hit with a lasting snow storm one day so he can catch up with the rest of the world on knowledge

[static schooner]

Burn furniture

[stuck mortar]

It’s like chill boost in your fridge when the Sauvignon blanc is a little too warm

[static schooner]

Or Tuya devices

Or maybe just plug them in

[tidal bronze]

Ah now it makes perfect sense. Thanks for translating

[tidal bronze]

How about a windbreaker instead of emergency heat?

[unborn merlin]

ask the pipes in your house how that'll go for you

or just ask people in texas; they had firsthand experience.

😉

[tidal bronze]

What's Texas?

[forest edge]

How about a nice beer instead of wine?

[tidal bronze]

Sorry there is no nice in beer.

[glacial knot]

What pi? o.0
Just followed the upstream docs for setting up whisper/piper with wyoming

[tidal bronze]

Kinda Tuesday with some cabernet

[forest edge]

we need to expand your pallet

[tidal bronze]

I did have beer when I was 18, no pallet was expanded

[forest edge]

it was probably some imported stuff

[tidal bronze]

Always

[forest edge]

back to > #the-water-cooler message

[olive cobalt]

What pi? o.0

[unborn merlin]

there we go.. finalized ish 😄

... couldnt decide on buttons; so added a connector to attach that shit later.

and added more SSR's that I can choose to not populate just for the sake of "I have them if I want them" and also "now all the IO multiplier ports are used.." 😄

whoops, had to add the PE through hole.. now its done-done.. ish.. now I just gotta.. yeet it at JLCPCB

[static schooner]

That's really cool!

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/2IHJJ6Jaz_o?si=vTWX7oZOpG_MROPS

the app changes will be nice.

curious if the litter robot 5 will have some kind of chip reader embeded around the opening

[deft pewter]

I'd hope so. Your local stuff tastes like piss.

[clear ferry]

what do you mean, budweiser is made from the finest water from Flint Michigan

[last cedar]

Currently in atxs basement. Does anyone know where I can get a 638A fuse?

[solar zealot]

id not ask about that dagger

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/oZAf.gif

[solar zealot]

he probably keeps those in the psu isle

[deft pewter]

Bud is a prime example of what's wrong with American beer. They took a reasonably good beer (Budwar from Czechia) and removed aaaaaall the flavour.

[red rock]

why is your only middle finger uncut

[iron granite]

Screwdriver replacement

[clear ferry]

insert dirty joke here

[red rock]

I'm genuinely interested because in the past I never fully cut my thumbnail because I could peel onions way quicker

[clear ferry]

[primal laurel]

For frikandel speciaal

[clear ferry]

stroopwaffel plz

met apfel

[primal laurel]

stroopwafel with onion

[red rock]

Bereklauwen

[primal laurel]

gimme

[crisp oriole]

Omg. Whats next a patat vs friet turf war?

[sour robin]

I saw this and my first thought was Home Assistant/Nabu Casa... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtDyvteymkU

[glacial knot]

It's a weapon

[crisp oriole]

Do you have a licence for that?

[pearl patrol]

Hi I want to use the HomeAssisant Logo (not works with HA) on packaging for a device. What are the guidelines here? I found this: https://design.home-assistant.io/#brand/logo but there aren't any specific legal guidelines. I also sent an E-Mail to [e-mail] but didn't get response. Any ideas?

[unique hound]

Hey, I'm new to HA, Having alot of fun with it ATM.

Does anyone know how to use Assist, with a Google nest mini?

I love the quality of the nest minis, I've seen some forms of people installing custom pcbs in it (but I don't necessarily want to loose normal Google nest functions )

My primary goal is just to be able to setup a wake up work or command that allows Gemini to come through via the generative ai integration, hear my message, and the reply. Not even for controlling devices. Just for informational communication reasons.

[glacial knot]

No. I use different ones

[crisp oriole]

as far i know the old logo was more free than the new one. but im not a legal advicer.

[crisp oriole]

you can integrate home assistant into google but that is no good for your use case. make a thread in #1284966915055288530

[unique hound]

Gotcha, made it.

Yeah I've got them integrated, just surprised you can't utilize the mic and speaker with HA easier.

[crisp oriole]

try the PE its installation is a charm.

[dawn badge]

ask google to opensource the hardware and software with documentation. and give us a way to flash custom firmware 🙂

whilst your asking companies to do that, then can ask amazon and apple whilst your at it 🙂

[crisp oriole]

Sure do you have the contact info for google amazone and apple.

Not all companies are like nabu casa. Here a voice assistant with a hidden port you can plug in all kind of esp sensors in. You can add to our firmware

[primal laurel]

ask? we demand.

[dawn badge]

i could get behind that

[red rock]

https://bit.ly/patatfriet

[crisp oriole]

O yeah happly with my usb c usb c phone and charger. With a dead battery and only usb a connectors in the bus.

[dawn badge]

had to read three times before I realised you meant bus and not bus

[primal laurel]

https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/UGREEN-Charging-Compatible-Galaxy-Huawei/dp/B07PPY9N62

[crisp oriole]

The tuut tuut bus

[crisp oriole]

Dont you have a draw that is full with cables?

Btw are you guys making all sorts of cosmetic fixes on your home assistant to show off next Saturday

[stuck mortar]

New curtains, fresh flowers…

[deft pewter]

What's happening next Saturday?

[deft pewter]

Nice. Pictures of text.

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/dMi0mpZOFqc?si=8KVzZzWKjJXHAAv2

too expensive but pretty cool

[crisp oriole]

make a feature request to copy text from the assist widget

[deft pewter]

Or people could just type their messages 🤯

I'm sighted but how about all the people that aren't and who depend on screen readers?

Pictures of text are a massive 'fuck you' to them.

[primal laurel]

lol just ignore him. He just wants to complain, starting arguments about nothing is his hobby

[crisp oriole]

Do i get the big fuck you re the screen reader developers that cant use IA to grab the image out of the text. Or discord that also does not do it.

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze ready to go camping?

https://cybertruckco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/tesla-cybertruck-cybercamper-from-cybertruckco-32.jpg

[static schooner]

The giant QR code on the side is very on-brand

It will probably discolor the body panel if they ever try to remove it

[glacial knot]

Both fuchsia and Android are
So at least the OS for nest stuff is open source

[deft pewter]

As compassionate adults, we should be thinking of ways to communicate better despite the shortcomings of some apps.

It's like how if you share an image on a website, you should include alt text.

[lunar remnant]

No different to any other picture where a screen reader can't pick up the context magically

It's 2025, either the screen reader or the user can stick the image in GPT and have it described, or the text transcribed

[deft pewter]

Versus... just typing the text in the first place? 😂

[lunar remnant]

Your argument would make sense if someone was typing their message in a document, screenshotting it, and posting it

But when the screenshot is of a specific context (in this instance: asking assist) then simply copying the text across loses that context and thus the point of why they posted it

[primal laurel]

Pjesus just finding out screenshots exist

[lunar remnant]

Pjesus understanding context less than Siri

[deft pewter]

The context was irrelevant, which is why I would've preferred for Daft to just type the very simple 'there's an upcoming meet'

Took him longer to ask his assistant and screenshot the text.

[crisp oriole]

It took me longer because i made a AI script to give the results.

[deft pewter]

[primal laurel]

he does that on purpose because he just wants to create arguments

[deft pewter]

• switch from Discord to other chat
• text message to bot
• wait for response from bot
• screenshot response
• switch back to Discord
• share screenshot

The creation of the AI isn't what makes that slower than:

• type answer in Discord

[deft pewter]

Oh, sod off. If you don't like me, ignore me. Quit with the personal attacks.

[crisp oriole]

Well If you dont know what happens next saturday you did not pay any attention to the community. so i did not give a written reply.

[deft pewter]

I totally get the value in being able to OCR images. Sometimes the text is a minor part of the overall context. This is not one of those cases.

[primal laurel]

you are a grade A *hole to everyone who stumbles into this chat so yes I will gladly let others know

[deft pewter]

There's a huge difference between 'not paying any attention' and 'not keeping up to date with every happening'.

[deft pewter]

We disagree on plenty but I don't call you an asshole. Grow up.

[lunar remnant]

If you didn't get the joke just say that bro, you've made this way more deep than it needs to be

He did a silly thing as a joke, and you've decided to get offended on behalf of screen reader users apparently

[primal laurel]

please look into a mirror

[crisp oriole]

like there are any screenreader users that are acutally happy with discord. I only read complains

politics

[deft pewter]

Nah?

[lunar remnant]

I like how you accuse other people of trolling and then as soon as you run out of actual discussion points turn it into xenophobia for no reason whatosever. wtf does someone's continent have to do with this?

You're genuinely just being a jackass

[deft pewter]

If you didn't get the joke, just say that bro

And I didn't turn it into anything. Sonoma made the comment 😂

You mad at him too?

Anyway... back to work. Have fun

[lunar remnant]

He made a general joke, you directed it at individuals

[primal laurel]

Sonoma doesn't know any better, cant hate him for that

#the-water-cooler message

btw my EU stocks are doing well. My US stocks are still in the sh*tter 🤡

[lunar remnant]

Being able to run HA Assist as the default voice assistant on iPhone would be awesome, really hoping that happens with the EU requirement to open the Siri API up

[primal laurel]

you need a shortcut right? does that suck more than native?

[lunar remnant]

With the iPhone 16 you can do it with one button but it still has to open the app, load the page etc

[forest edge]

I didn't think that was comfirmed. having a hard time beliving whatever apple decides to do will actually be "good" for any of you lol

[lunar remnant]

With earlier iPhones it takes unlocking, finding the widget, opening the app etc too

The more important part is that Assist would get access to things like starting a timer, setting an alarm etc so it could be an "all in one"

[forest edge]

like when au did that thing with google then google just like cut that whole country off to "comply" lol

[primal laurel]

#the-water-cooler message

oh apple...

[tidal bronze]

Yes but don't need such big trashcan

[lunar remnant]

It's not set in stone yet but looks VERY likely to happen, similar to the way they've been forced to allow emulation and 3rd party app stores in the EU

[forest edge]

we'll take lots of pictures of you standing next to it for future memories

[lunar remnant]

Exactly how it will work isn't specified yet, but I'd be surprised if it didn't happen to some extent. The question is gonna be whether Apple bother fighting it and doing their usual "malicious compliance, technically complying but not really" bullshit or not

With the App Store they stood to lose a LOT of money and are fighting it harder, but with Siri they might not care so much cause it's crap anyway and nobody uses it... they might actually be kinda okay with letting 3rd parties do the work there

[forest edge]

this is apple.. they care lol

and it won't be good in the long run for users

that you can bank on

[lunar remnant]

We won't know until we see how it's implemented - but the third party app store thing seems to be working already, both making it possible and also pushing Apple to be less restrictive in the App Store (eg we now have apps like Delta which previously were sideload only)

[midnight adder]

just wondering if someone could tell me I'm completely wrong on this. I made this post in the forums and no one replied to it yet. Previously, you had the ability to select different icons on the iOS and they were LGBTQ+ icons. Did get silently taken away? https://community.home-assistant.io/t/changing-app-icons-no-longer-an-option/888228

[iron granite]

That would be a question for the #1284965926336335993 channel.

[midnight adder]

Ta

[pure mural]

Are you being boring again

Don't make me pull it out again

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/calibrate-your-enthusiasm-andor-enthusiasm-calibrate-star-wars-gif-9059239875443228108

[pure mural]

When i pull out my cborg out

No jorg can stand it

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/dwight-schrute-micheal-scott-the-office-pathetic-short-gif-12500214675063887035

[pure mural]

Bro this guy is always here

Everytime i come here to bully Jorg he is here

Like jesus dude

Get out for once

[primal laurel]

You've made like 10 accounts by now, just to harass someone on the internet 😂

[iron granite]

And not doing it well.

[pure mural]

You're always here dude

[iron granite]

[pure mural]

I was thinking Jorg has no life

But this dude is

Making me questioning it

[iron granite]

Well... I think it is time to say goodbye again.

https://tenor.com/view/amm-gif-8242971159485088966

[pure mural]

@lone dagger Did you rent a hitman

[iron granite]

I might wait a bit with the ban. Might finally become a bit funny.

[pure mural]

Yeah you should wait

I gotta hear the response

From Stefa

[lone dagger]

For you? Not yet. I'm busy with other things.

[iron granite]

Okay. It is time now.

https://tenor.com/view/k2so-slap-star-wars-andor-k-2so-k2-smack-gif-10833212823460207992

[lone dagger]

lmfao

Keep his posts, it's funnier.

[iron granite]

I did.

I might remove the link though.

🤔

[lone dagger]

So there's this bot on Bluesky that just posts back content meant to cause discourse and real humans keep arguing with it and I feel like I just need one of these in here for this person specifically.

https://bsky.app/profile/horsedisc.bsky.social/post/3lpoy7dkxxb2c

disc horse bot (@horsedisc.bsky.social)

Final Fantasy is suspicious, Season 6 of Grey’s Anatomy is suspicious atheist dreck, Norwegian K-dramas are suspicious, slapstick is generally suspicious, goblin mode is suspicious. Masscult under Carlism is inherently suspicious. Sorry to spoil your 'fun'.

Bluesky · May 21, 2025, 4:05 PM

"norwegian k-dramas" lmfao

[iron granite]

[light trout]

did not know that was a thing

[lone dagger]

The bot is like mad libs - it's got some base post formatting and it just shoves words into it. Some of them are great like this.

[light trout]

Apparently "Fragile" is a korean remake of a popular teen drama named "skam" from norway.

While season 6 of Grey's Anatomy was one of the better, they are now on season 21 so that is 15 years ago

[lone dagger]

I think we stopped watching at like season 17.

😆

[light trout]

I stopped after 9 or so I think, then when 18 started, I started back on 1 and have been folowing all since (including station 19)

[primal laurel]

what do you think of the all-time Norwegian classic Troll (2022)? 😂

[light trout]

You get to see some nice sceneries.

[primal laurel]

absolutely true

[errant creek]

Anyone happy with Ratgdo?

[sudden ferry]

Hi all, i'm trying to decide whether to get a usb coral accelerator or a miniPCE verison.

miniPCIe is cheaper and equally capable, but the usb version looks like it is easier to setup and use on other machines in the future.

Any advice?

[iron granite]

#1284966353798697001 with the "Recommendation" tag might be able to help.

[sudden ferry]

thanks!

[iron granite]

I'd say many. #1284966353798697001 with the "DIY IoT" tag should be able to help with details.

[errant creek]

Do you lose functionality of the MyQ app when installing ratgdo or do they work in parallel?

[iron granite]

AFAIK both work in parallel.

I'd recommend to create a post in #1284966353798697001 for that, so that actual users can give feedback.

[errant creek]

I see a lot of posts there with no replies

I know HA discord moved to that setup, but I was here long before you guys moved to the "support" system. I get why, but it just doesn't end up working. RIP #frontend-archived

[iron granite]

Here it will scroll away as soon as the raccoons flood the channel again.

[errant creek]

You're the admin so I wont argue, I get it. I can search back in the "HomeLab." discord channel main chat. The difference is that in the main chat, people engage, in a separate location, people dont engage.

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/classic-back-to-the-future-bttf-marty-mcfly-ive-seen-this-one-gif-19802188

#the-water-cooler message

https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1kruapg/both_video_and_audio_is_ai_but_it_feels_so_real/

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-wtf-gif-25758871

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/groundhog-day-gif-5438731605057303541

[desert cave]

Related: https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@eniko/114545305544219785

Eniko Fox (@[e-mail])

AI is an eldritch horror. it is an incomprehensibly vast being but without physical form, not truly alive or aware of anything, though it consumes human knowledge and spits out a perversion of it. those who get too close to it are driven mad, and worship it as a deity that will lead them to salvation, even though it is not even aware of them and will lead them to destruction instead

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[lapis cairn]

The fact that reddit videos are embedded blows my mind, isn't the whole point to display the content inline instead of having to click through?

[last cedar]

Latest is so bad, but it feels worse having an incomplete show 🤣

[last cedar]

All things as it should be

https://tenor.com/view/v-a-sly-racoon-gif-20903400

[primal laurel]

found a PC case for @clear ferry https://youtu.be/lNa6jdCQzlU?feature=shared&t=476

(not the one in the thumbnail)

[red rock]

You ignored my question 😦

[crisp oriole]

Only your question. Or you in general. Did you spay your dumpsershave?

[crisp oriole]

great i changed a script to set a special room mobiel or glitch for my music selection. Now i need to be not home :/ its late dont want to..

[primal laurel]

You can change it virtually in devtools

[reef stream]

does anyone know why with my sony android tv after not using a while the voice assistant doesnt work anymore ( meaning i cant turn on or off lights and stuff with my tv remote microphone)
and to make it work again i need to fully restart it?

[unborn merlin]

because sony did a piss-poor job?

[ocean oar]

Can confirm. We have a Sony Android TV (and only a non-voice remote) and it's constantly telling us to try talking to it, despite not having a microphone of any kind.

The TV mostly works fine, but it's definitely confused about that feature in particular

[reef stream]

bruh

[reef stream]

no, mine does have a microphone on the remote, and once i fully restart the tv, i can ask to google assistant which then is connected to HA to turn off and do stuff from my tv which is pretty cool

but then after not using the tv for a while google assistant doesnt work anymore

[unborn merlin]

I mean its true.

welcome to garbage-made "IOT" devices.

[little hawk]

okay after like 3 days

ive built a working memory module for HA Voice using a to do list hack

and also daisy chaining vocal commands so no need to constantly say Hey Jarvis over and over lol

god HA is so sick but I find there is so many hacky workarounds you got to do for alot of the cool stuff

will try to share all the scripts later but now you can just say any phrase like "Hey Jarvis, remember my bday is X" "my favourite movie is Y" "My dog is X breed" any no matter what even after resets or shutdowns it will automatically load important facts into context. Same with automations so it will remember When / what you asked it to do in a separate list. So it may mention. I turned on the TV for you X hours ago then youtube. Are you feeling restless" very cool shit lol

It's great because atleast for important stuff you dont need to manually preload any of that context and you can just use natural language and itll auto remember any important stuff or recent actions. Then it tends to reply with those facts in mind if it makes sense.

Ideally over the long term this thing should be hooked up to an RAG but its a pretty good short term hack and you don't need to worry about it forgetting any important stuff as time goes on.

[static schooner]

Please post in #1284960456880029707 if you want to share more

[little hawk]

I know I just wanted to talk about HA in general....

[solid sorrel]

it's not allowed, don't you know, it's pictures of racoons only in here. Chatting about HA is strickly forbidden.

[little hawk]

feels like.....sorta even discouraged to share it. I read the rules and it seemed to fit.

but mods rules I guess.

[sage cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/quadrophenia-gif-23843335

-# could not resist

[acoustic cloak]

can someone tell me which one i should be doing? i have htis installed on my synology

[static schooner]

Those are #1284966582375813201

[split grail]

I think I'm going mad because I can't figure out how to configure my UPS with HA at all

no tutorial helps

[unborn merlin]

UPS's on lead acid batteries are the devil.

[split grail]

I don't know of any that aren't lead acid

[unborn merlin]

there are slowly starting to have some that are lithium based

[split grail]

LiFEPO4?

[unborn merlin]

unfortunately they're expensive.

some enterprise (rackmount UPS's) can also be converted if you have the will and knowledge todo it

yeah.

[split grail]

it's amusing that you can't in general

[unborn merlin]

I'm building my new server.. off a DC-UPS and DC-ATX power supply.. skipping the extra step

well.. the issue is..

[split grail]

all it really is is telling the UPS to charge at different voltages

[unborn merlin]

most of the cheap garbage tier consumer models are not made to run extended

like; you could.. if you opened them and added some active cooling over the conversion circuitry during use

because they just aren't made to run for more than a few minutes.

[split grail]

damn

I wish they were more open because I'd really like more battery

you have yours wired to HA?

[unborn merlin]

not as of yet.. but it will be tied to something

using a DC-UPS to skip the AC-double-conversion steps

[split grail]

ah

I'm running against a wall with HA lol. I wanted to use it as an energy meter since I don't have a Vue

[unborn merlin]

vue? 🤔

HA can do.. basically anything if you put the effort into it

[split grail]

emporia vue

[unborn merlin]

I mean there are.. alternatives to things like that as well

[split grail]

I tried but no tutorial helped at all. I got as far as plugging the UPS USB into the HAOS computer and that's it

[unborn merlin]

a UPS is not the same as energy metering on the level of a vue

[split grail]

I am aware

[tidal bronze]

What UPS?

Run a NUT server

[brazen gazelle]

so if I do have a vue, what would be the best ui card to use, cause I have ben finding them pretty lacking

[tidal bronze]

Configure energy.

[stuck mortar]

Run nut, see what parameters get returned by your hardware, do math to get what you need if not available

[tidal bronze]

Yep, that's what I do.

[brazen gazelle]

I am not sure what nut server is, that in hacs? lemme check

somewhat afraid to just search the internet for nut server

[tidal bronze]

https://networkupstools.org/

[stuck mortar]

APC via USB gives me percent load, so I approximate by the nominal max wattage. Vertiv SNMP gives current and voltage. Eaton USB gives me real power, but also stops tracking below ~50W and just pretends it’s 0

Also note most don’t admit to the vampire load so the numbers are underestimated

[brazen gazelle]

oh, no I am running the emporia vue to monitor equipment at my buisness, so more than just ups monitoring

[tidal bronze]

Using APC as well. Doing a calculation to get an approx

[tidal bronze]

Running vue as well, what about it?

[brazen gazelle]

I was trying to figure out how to get some good looking KWH overviews for my equipment. was wondering if there were any projects that were working on that. I am still learning how all this stuff fits together.

[tidal bronze]

Oh like fancy dashboards?

[brazen gazelle]

since I have a bunch of chilling equipment, and step up transformer, was trying to figure out how I wanted to view that information.

it has already showen me a parisitic load that I was able to fix in one of my transformers, which was nice. but my dashboard looks like a mess. haven't been able to figure out how to get all the tags/entities to marry to the graphics I want. I added graphana, and influxDB to play with, but that turned into just more learning curve for me. so I guess I am just on here to vent. thanks for listening. back to figuring things out 🙂

[stuck mortar]

Sankey diagram

[brazen gazelle]

That looks cool! wish me luck then

[stuck mortar]

Don’t let the raccoons find out you got advice here

Maybe it doesn’t count since I don’t use the sankey chart anymore

[brazen gazelle]

then what do you use?

[stuck mortar]

Just the energy panel

You can group things, so I’ve got vampire and device powers grouped under the parent vertiv input power

[brazen gazelle]

ok I just figured out you can, and must configure those entities in the energy configuration panal.

[split grail]

APC but they have several 1500VA UPS' with the exact same name

[tidal bronze]

NUT will do

[split grail]

I have it. I don't know how to set it up

[tidal bronze]

Do a little searching, it's not difficult at all. No support here. Sorry

[split grail]

yeah I tried that. I wouldn't be in this discord if I actually found something that worked

[stuck mortar]

At that point, try #1284966582375813201 with specifics of hardware and what you’re trying

[split grail]

I was wondering which one I should try in. There's so many lol

[stuck mortar]

That channel would support both the nut add-on and integration 🙂

(If it’s a ups plugged into the HA server you need both)

[split grail]

I have both

I can't even check to see if HA even sees the UPS because the tutorial codes they use don't work on my computer

[stuck mortar]

I’m only here for emotional support 🤷

[brazen gazelle]

ok, I love home assistant just a bit more. I love the energy integration. I just needed to configure it. Hope you figure out your problems @split grail

[split grail]

I wanted HA purely for the energy features. Anything else is a bonus

[tidal bronze]

If all fails, AI! Good luck with your search.

[split grail]

I hope I can lol

[tidal bronze]

Chat or deepseek should guide you all the way.

[split grail]

where?

[stuck mortar]

Don’t make us google how to chatgpt for you

[brazen gazelle]

try perplexity

[split grail]

oh that

isn't that paid?

[brazen gazelle]

it has free tier

been using it for a while now, is pretty good imo

[tidal bronze]

Gemini AI studio as well. Free tier is plenty for your task

[brazen gazelle]

been meaning to try gemini

[split grail]

I should ask, how do you shut down a home assistant computer?

[neon sage]

wise words

how much water does everyone drink daily?

i probably drink a gallon of fluids a day or about 8 lbs

[brazen gazelle]

Weird flex, but good job!

[neon sage]

i burn 90,000 calories a day

maybe more lol

[unborn merlin]

you hit shutdown on the settigns page.

[split grail]

what if I can't connect to that page?

[crisp oriole]

ssh in shutdown.

[stuck mortar]

My water heater burns way more than that per day

[crisp oriole]

2 liter water a day is what my countries food and stuff dudes (im just awake) recommends.

But it depends on age and sex.

[forest edge]

will it now?

[neon sage]

I've never had a problem with fluid intake the easiest way is to observe your urine

i think it depends on weight and activity but i guess you could try to use age and sex too

[last cedar]

Where was the question, I missed it

[forest edge]

how many racoons does it take to print a 3d benchy

[clear ferry]

Yuck PCs

[forest edge]

you prefer PDA's?

[clear ferry]

If you want to watch a proper Norwegian movie, that even is filmed in my hometown https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0119375/

[clear ferry]

Give me a thin client and a remote server

[forest edge]

how is that not a PC?

[clear ferry]

It does not fit the definition

[forest edge]

of personal computer? lol

[tidal bronze]

Brutal weather, insomnia?

[clear ferry]

Yes

[tidal bronze]

Proper 🤣

[red rock]

@last cedar

[glacial solstice]

Hi everyone! 👋 We just published a new user test about making ⚙️ settings easier and faster to navigate in the future. If you have 15-20 mins to help out go here to fill out, or read the post on Reddit ✌️

[ocean oar]

Seriously?

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/luthen-andor-cassian-andor-star-wars-luthen-rael-gif-26948081

[last cedar]

37

[bright saddle]

Hi everyone. I recently had a conversation with a parent at my 6YO son's school where I was happily sharing experience from the lighthearted gamification we've done at home with home assistant (tooth brushing process color feedback with LED strip, piano practice etc, like Kids Chores light). She was very enthusiastic about the whole thing and went ahead and contacted the school administration to figure out how to pitch an ECA targeting the parents + kids and then sent me the details. 😅

So now I'm entertaining this idea of doing an parent / kids ECA with home assistant, and it definitely excites me to potentially make a fun and interesting ECA, with some practical learning and also parent / child bonding activity. Focus would be on introduction the lighter types of devices and sensors (light, LED strip, presence, temperature, humidity, soil) and also simple automations, not so much camera, water, security (I think, but not ruling it out yet).

My question to the community would be: how could this best be set up in a classroom setting?
I guess I could install HA side by side on the same machine (hyper-v?) and get X antennas for zigbee. I could also prep the pairings, or at least we'd do it together in class one by one, so the devices would connect to the correct instance before classroom work - without coordination it would probably be a bit chaotic. Of course I worry about interference and whatever could go wrong.
Looking forward to your insights on this.

Thanks!

[young sigil]

You should ask in a support channel, like #1284966540617449515

Also what is an ECA?

[bright saddle]

Extra Curricular Activity

[forest edge]

rather than teaching HA i think teaching programming and setting up sensors would be more beneficial. There are several automation type software and many can accommodate the same off the shelf sensors so teaching the basics of how to set up and use a sensor would be way more educational

[bright saddle]

Since writing this my "is this over-design" sense kicked in... one machine and one antenna should be enough if I "round robin" the in-class tasks

[bright saddle]

That makes sense. I know they already have programming and robotics as elective courses.
This would be a more light approach (think in-class tasks) specifically with specialization on home automation. Bulbs, LED strips, soil sensors etc would have some appeal with parents 😉

[bright saddle]

Ok, will give it a go there too

[forest edge]

the issue is, without a more fundamental understanding of how the devices/sensors work it's kind of like skiping the first few chapters

[bright saddle]

It definitely can't be avoided eventually.
But I personally believe that theory can be skipped during guided practical approach to achieving something simple, then guide the students to find more information (theory) if they want to elaborate on the logic. You know, get them hungry, then they self-motivate

[forest edge]

then they come in here and join the others who come in asking questions about why such and such sensor isn't working as they expected lol

and just like what happened to you above.. they will get redirected to the support channels lmao

[bright saddle]

With all respect, but I think you're free to ignore those questions

[forest edge]

wasn't trying to sound rude, just making a point

[primal laurel]

i'd set it up in a way so that you would actually get something useful out of it that you can take home and use. Ultimately what you want is HA to run at home. So something like a HA starter kit that you can setup in a class setting would work. But whatever you do it's not going to be cheap

[bright saddle]

Yeah, I've been considering this as well. A HA Green + antenna or some such. I'm not sure if participants would want to buy that up front, but maybe they're motivated after a few successes in class.
Personally I don't mind getting a Green or whatever plus some devices for the class. It would be a one-off investment (give or take).

[crisp oriole]

i never knew that sigh would ever be a active command for any computer system.

Play the album experience please.

• What artist do you want to hear?
  Sigh
• im going to play experience of the prodigy. In what room do you want me to play it?
  Sigh
• playing in the living room.

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Raccoons/s/2fSQBlKLTW

[crisp oriole]

What have you done.

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/doge-dogecoin-pirate-captain-ocean-gif-16296042634591047056

[primal laurel]

don't you have doors to fix

[crisp oriole]

Where one door closes an other opens

I dear. #homeassistant mental moral support. I finished all my cleanups for the community event are finished. Dont know what to do. I feel a dark void comming.

[stable jolt]

I really am not good with this discord thing, so i hope I've done this right. I posted an issue under the hardware section related to issues with RATGDO devices in HA. Does anyone here use RATGDO on their lift master or chamberlain garage doors?

[young sigil]

Please don't cross post. Especially in a non support channel. Just wait patiently for an answer in your opriginal post.

[stable jolt]

Ok. Like I said I'm not good with this. I wasn't sure if I did it right. I thought this was just like a chatroom, so I was just trying to check here to see if i did it correctly.

[glacial solstice]

Because this is a card sorting test (drag and drop) we've narrowed it down to fill it out only on desktop. Please launch it on desktop and you'll understand that this is just the only way to complete this test 😉

[feral flower]

Sorry just a quick one but getting urgent: HA been trying to install two shelly (wifi device) updates for 2 hours. Is it safe to just kill them by restarting HA?

I'd have thought it would have timed out by now

[dawn badge]

there was a bug with one off the firmware updates as i recall. you might have to restart the device and install via the devices webui instead. but if anything further please take it to a support channel

[feral flower]

thanks

Lol turned out they'd updated happily, HA had not noticed

[dawn badge]

yeah i remember that sort of thing happening on occasion

[brazen gazelle]

Just a thought on the hardware to run it. if any of them have old laptops laying around, or the school has a bunch of out dated ones. they work great for running HAOS. can usually find them in company store rooms just collecting dust. they may give them to you as a tax write off especially if they can donate them to the school for ECA.

[crude osprey]

Hi guys

Ssl error

Xiaomi home cannot update devices or relogin

[primal laurel]

#1284966582375813201

[crude osprey]

[brazen gazelle]

I think I get it now, this is the channel where people go to get told where to go?

[iron granite]

No. This is the no support smalltalk channel.

-# And raccoons.

[silent dove]

The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re looking for support and unsure where to go, check out https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 - it should help you find where you are going. This channel isn't for 'quick questions' - see above and post in the appropriate place. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/doigts-doigt-nez-dans-le-gif-15933162

[crisp oriole]

🎶 tell me the way to go home. Home. Home . Home.🎶
🎶 Im tired and wana go to bed🎶
🎶 i had a drink of one or to and they got right into my head.🎶

[clear ferry]

Take me home, country roads

To the place I belong

Home assistant, faulty tuyas, take me home

Country roads

[forest edge]

you releasing an album?

The Norwat Funk

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-crazy-gif-3550736

[crisp oriole]

I been a wild coder for many of years.
With lots of syntax and debuging fears.
But not im returning. To my haos.
Because at home i am the boss.

Are we going to sing pub songs next community event?

Great i made a British automation. To boil water for my tea.

[solar zealot]

Do you have a loicense for that

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge did you get your real ID?

[static schooner]

Pfft, he doesn't ever need to fly

[tidal bronze]

For greyhound

[solar zealot]

Why would you get a fake id

[static schooner]

Don't need a RealID to have people fly over you

[tidal bronze]

Worst case I think he fits right in the wheel well

[solar zealot]

Do they serve food drinks down there tho?

[tidal bronze]

Roadkill, no

[crisp oriole]

🎶 Roadkill!. Na nananaaa Na Na🎶 Roadkill

[candid wraith]

Hi, I'm sorry if I'm not allowed asking this in this channel, but does someone have a quick answer on this? I set up home assistant voice and music assistant, and it seems like we cannot control even basic playback like play/pause of devices. Is that a current limitation? Thank you!

[forest edge]

actually I did. had to renew my license a couple of years ago and just did it

the little star on my id makes me think of grade school

[static schooner]

This isn't a "quick answer" answer channel. Seems like this is really a Music Assistant question?

[crisp oriole]

Music assistant has its own discord

[static schooner]

yes: https://discord.gg/gXPm8HPY

[crisp oriole]

We need a directions channel where people can only stay in the 1st 3 days or say something 5 times or so.

[last cedar]

Trying to perfect "the hybrid"

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[static schooner]

when the uncanny valley descends into the 9th circle of hell

[brazen gazelle]

im collecting discord servers like a junky now

[crisp oriole]

Right. I wanted to out. Search online for something to do in my town. Now im enjoying live music thinking how to automate that process.

[static schooner]

I would certainly be tempted to check out something called "Sneurf"

sounds suspiciously like something out of Dr. Seuss

so does "Dayfish", for that matter

[forest edge]

Sneurf sounds like something drunk smurfs say

[crisp oriole]

Omg woman in a wheelhair is roled in parked infront of the podium. She cant walk do you want her to also become deaf.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/k2so-slap-star-wars-andor-k-2so-k2-smack-gif-10833212823460207992

[forest edge]

I assume I missed something

[iron granite]

-# Maaaaaaaybe

[static schooner]

Just a Sneurf, move along, nothing to see here

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goon-star-wars-stormtrooper-move-along-move-gif-12464798

[crisp oriole]

Sneurf is only good live in the stiels

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/beaker-singing-gif-9589475

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-this-whats-happening-gif-14760168

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/sean-lock-sean-lock-challenging-wank-gif-21596196

[crisp oriole]

Im trying to add a going out in town ai script. But the ai fails to filter out old events that current events arnt shown. So i need to parse the html with some regex or some internal ai parser.

Dont need help.

[weak musk]

Good cause you won’t get it here

[crisp oriole]

I know.

[weak musk]

🦝

[crisp oriole]

Can say wat im working on at a water cooler

[zinc crow]

Just a warning, make sure you have the latest and greatest of your emergency backup kit encryption key... I thought I did, but had no clue something changed in the last 2 months, as my current backups are worthless. I had the HA VM completely take a crap, no recovery possible of the VM as the system it was on destroyed the drive it was on. Thought, no problem been doing regular backups....bam, my key don't work (that i had saved off in March). Oh well, it wsa fun once to make, will be fun a 2nd time right?

[split grail]

how do you shut down a 64bit computer that HA is on?

[forest edge]

you submerge it in water

[primal laurel]

delete system32

[forest edge]

there is a shut down option under Developer tools on the left side bar

[split grail]

I don't have access to the GUI. That's one of my other problems

when it starts I have it for a few hours but after that it just

[primal laurel]

#1284966540617449515

[solar zealot]

Pull the plug

[scenic radish]

ssh

[primal laurel]

Put a raccoon inside it

[split grail]

I tried to but it just made the water warmer

[static schooner]

boop! CHOMP

[primal laurel]

Sniff sniff

[split grail]

unironically is that the only option?

[solar zealot]

You could also attach a screen and keyboard

Or try it through a serial/management interface

But just cutting power will take like, no time at all

[split grail]

it's on a laptop so I can type on it but no command I've found from google works except for core shutdown which doesn't actually shutdown the actual computer

[split grail]

I wonder if it's because I don't have a perminent IP for it

[young sigil]

Please ask in one of the support channels. Which this is not.

[split grail]

I never got an answer for my other question I asked

[young sigil]

Did you ask it in the correct place? Which, again, is not here.

[split grail]

yeah I made a post about it

[young sigil]

Than wait patiently. Do not cross post, especially to non support channels.

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge you coming?

[forest edge]

tf is that

[forest edge]

customs huh? I knew you had something to do with that chinese harbor bust! lmao /s

[tidal bronze]

Lol, gotta renew my global entry

I was supposed to be sober but Gemini let me down.

[forest edge]

"Hey Google, Keep me from making a drunken ass of myself at the customs office"

[simple gazelle]

I've been seeing if I can make a local LLM to nag me when I'm being sedentary, but I feel it's better done by another tool

[tidal bronze]

I do have not to drink times and days in my calendar but this is going to be a disaster. They ask what countries you visited in the last 5 years, I have no clue.

All I can remember is S. Korea China and UK

[forest edge]

just tell them all the one's that have the highest cases of mosquito diseases

[simple gazelle]

"You've gone to Brazil"

Is Zika still a thing? I had to deal with a bunch of paperwork thanks to that

[tidal bronze]

Not Brazil for sure.

[static schooner]

I just renewed mine and they did it without an interview this time

took a long time to start processing and then just switched to "approved" and I got a new card in teh mail

Last two times I had to drive to the border, which is only 30-40mins away. But it's the exit right before the Mexico border, so don't miss it 🙂

[tidal bronze]

They gave me 2 years ext without interview. Was browsing through slots and found one.

They extend the time on pending once you do the online stuff because of the backlog

[static schooner]

right, they initially said that, and then "you look innocent, good to go!"

the last renewal was really just a new photo

they didn't quiz me on any of my info

[tidal bronze]

Same. This time I am feeling the walls to get to the suite. Lmao.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/drunk-gif-26227296

[crisp oriole]

Yes going out in haarlem and amsterdam is working. Working great with my already google search and html2txt so i asked about a event in some where. and ha assist could even say there where tickets available

[crisp oriole]

buddha riding a orca! chatgpt refuses to add a other city that uses a diffrent website. going in circels.

[forest edge]

@last cedar Mission Impossible? https://homevideolicensing.com/video/4265783

as cool as it is.. it just isn't the same. https://delorean.com/

[static schooner]

it wouldn't have been a Delorean if it didn't have batwing doors

otherwise, it kinda looks like Porsche Taycan

lol:

lean into it 🙂

[verbal olive]

Ahhhhh hell, guess I'm getting drawn back in here before I was ready to really muck with it

I think the Home Assistant Blue I purchased years ago is running Core

[weak musk]

0-88!! Damn.

[static schooner]

If there isn't some flux capacitor element in the instrument cluster, I'll be disappointed

The whole stainless steel body panel thing has some unfortunate connotations now, so best to skip it

[verbal olive]

Uh, do I have to upgrade or change stuff around? I'm kinda going through a lot of serious garbage in my life and haven't had a lot of time to keep up with HA developments

My brain is VERY burnt out

[static schooner]

You don't have to do anything. Things may break due to situations outside your setup. Or not

[verbal olive]

Fair enough

Just making sure it wasn't some urgent imminent breakage

[stuck anchor]

i guess they are not targeting europe at all, given that they do not offer any GDPR compliant way to turn off advertising and social media cookies.

[desert cave]

if BTTF were made today, Doc would have used a cyberdumpster.. The whole joke there was that in 1985 the delorean was a bad car and only became popular because of the movies, and Doc calling it "traveling in style" was the movie saying he didn't know what style (then) was

[stuck anchor]

a car getting popular because it is bad does not make it good? i am shocked...

[ocean oar]

Engages full self driving... car violently steers out of the carpark into a tree... massacred by Libyan terrorists... fin

But hey, you potentially get to keep the Twin Pines -> Lone Pine storyline in this version

[last cedar]

Best looking bird I ever saw

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JkzrR-hznE

first look at high NA machines

[crisp oriole]

Omg: i have a simple windows question. Posted multiple times. Not a single windows user got a clew. Sigh

[glacial knot]

Where do you look for windows users with a clue?

[crisp oriole]

ended up texting a experienced windows user. send me a screen shot walk trough to change the resolution the normal way. :/

there are tools available. source only last change 2012 something

[modern gazelle]

Good morning folks.
I whipped up an esphome dual relay board for my drive way gate and pedestrian door.
I'd like some input on the lock ui.
Id like a hard to press button.
What does the community use ?
I once had a slider ui when i had the august lock installed.
Is thst still a thing ?
I have a card that actívates for 3 seconds before returning to an icon.

[lapis cairn]

#the-water-cooler message

[static schooner]

Sounds like #1284965988642590891

[modern gazelle]

Aaaw well thank you
I well go right ahead over there

[balmy echo]

Setting up everything tonight

Took some time to get everything

[solid sorrel]

where's the post?

might be able to help

[crisp oriole]

On tweakers.net and two facebook groups.

[solid sorrel]

ah, can you link it here? is that allowed? curious if I can help

[crisp oriole]

Why not dm?

Then its not a home assistant thing any more.

https://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/2299420

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-jesus-tweek-tweak-south-park-s6e11-child-abduction-is-not-funny-gif-22002718

[primal laurel]

we're all tweakers

[wheat rover]

sounds like an automation to fix it. or voice assistant

[primal laurel]

https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2025/05/22/deprecating-core-and-supervised-installation-methods-and-32-bit-systems/

[static schooner]

Good riddance!

[forest edge]

The engine was shit but the car itself was not bad. it was actually futuristic and sought after. just a shame it was a crappy v6

[static schooner]

it looked like nothing else in a world populated by econoboxes

I hadn't heard the line of thought that it was a commentary on the crappiness of the car - in fact, it looked like the future to me

here's one guy spouting that theory: https://qr.ae/pAiKvg

[forest edge]

lol not starting

[static schooner]

And I certainly remember Marty's “You built a time machine… out of a DeLorean!?” line, but any nuance was lost on me back then

[forest edge]

if they had used a better motor it would have been a whole lot diffrent

it even sounded like crap in person

infact I think there is a youtube video with soemone with an original untouched showcasing what it sounded like

[static schooner]

more commentary on it: https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/112503/how-was-the-delorean-perceived-in-1985

[forest edge]

yet many would have still driven it

hell I would have drove it lol

[static schooner]

I was still a few years away from being able to drive at the time and it seemed both futuristic and unattainable

[forest edge]

was like the countach but could have ben obtainable lol