throughput as measured by iperf is only 32 Mbps but that's enough for my use case
#the-water-cooler
scenic radish
interesting... why would that happen? last time I had internet service over phone lines was dialup way back in the day lol
iron granite
The frequencies used by both seem to be similar. And if the powerline is too close to a badly shielded telephone line the DSL signal is impacted.
There are some impact reduction strategies (which impact the bandwidth available), but those weren't enough in my case.
scenic radish
ah that makes sense
iron granite
I switched to a Wifi bridge instead.
scenic radish
I have thoughts on how running a proper wired backhaul would be possible but there's no way our landlord would be cool with it
shy plinth
if your place is wired for cable TV MoCA might be an option
clear ferry
This is nfs3 for simplicity
shy plinth
similar concept for powerline adapters but over coax
clear ferry
Moca is such a weird thing, never seen it in Norway
But most coax stuff died in the early 00s
shy plinth
yeah unfortunately this house was built in 99 so coax runs in every room.... and zero ethernet
clear ferry
My fathers house was built in 64, but I ran ethernet everywhere in 2004 when they got FTTH installed
shy plinth
it's on The List for sure. moca's been working well enough that it keeps getting pushed down for more important stuff, as it goes
clear ferry
I did try powerline in my old house, but since Norwegian houses are three phase input that works randomly well
Some rooms are L1+L2, some are L2+L3 and some are L1+L3
Or rather, phase plus N I guess
tidal bronze
Do you have a coax drop?
scenic radish
if your place is wired for cable TV MoCA might be an option
no coax in the garage
robust flicker
similar concept for powerline adapters but over coax
Coax is usually shielded..
tidal bronze
They have 2000mbps wave 2 ones now as well.
static schooner
sounds like you need to move to the 'burbs and buy a proper place that you can punch holes in 🙂
clear ferry
Bøørbs
Ironically I could actually get better internet in the countryside than downtown major city
Could get 10g where I lived before with 4000 people, now I can only get 1g in the middle of a 40k city
primal laurel
I don't have anything that could even use 10g
clear ferry
I've had 40G core switches since 2015, but I only use 10G still
primal laurel
Please make a donation to the less fortunate
robust flicker
Meanwhile, I could get up to 2G down with 50M up.. If they didn't think I owed them $350 bucks for unreturned equipment, which was returned almost 10 years ago, and so of course I no longer that receipt.... My other options: Starlink, or 3Mbps DSL...
clear ferry
I've never returned any equipment in in 28 years of broadband
primal laurel
American ISPs will cap the data on your broadband lol
robust flicker
@clear ferry what's crazy is that I worked for this company for 5 years, from 2008-2013. So I KNEW how anal they were about their equipment being returned.. so I kept the receipts until I got a bill saying a 0 balance...
clear ferry
primal laurel
They gonna come after you only if you become their customer again? How does that work
robust flicker
I verified they had everything. In person. I got a receipt for it. Again, in person. And got a bill saying I owed for equipment, at which point I took the bill and the receipt back into the office. "I'll handle it." And a month later, I got an adjusted bill. No balance due. So I stuck the receipt in a box. Problem? After a few years, it's a blank piece of paper.
So they started advertising that they now had 2gig service in my area for like 60 a month with no data caps.. I signed up. Had an appointment scheduled for Friday. They called me yesterday about an old account... With unreturned equipment. "we need you to bring this account current before we can connect you.." oh what the f...
Went to my box of old receipts. Most of which have completely faded... And I can't find the receipt showing I turned everything in.. because it's one of the faded ones.. ugh.
clear ferry
You guys are weird
robust flicker
And this morning, my 73yr old dad, who has had an account with them for decades, gets a call. Why? Because I'm a junior....
Luckily, he's not your typical "I'll believe anything someone official-sounding tells me" senior citizen.... And he told them to pound sand, and that if they disconnect him, he'll sue.
dawn badge
And this morning, my 73yr old dad, who has had an account with them for decades,...
this is why we like data protection laws this side of the pond 🙂 that would have probably been a breach
they contacted someone not on your account and give them them infomation
robust flicker
@dawn badge Standard skip-tracing...
They called him looking for me. But didn't include "junior" when they asked for my name. And since his name and mine are basically the same...
dawn badge
it wouldnt matter, if they gave the reason for the call being "outstanding balance" or something then thats your info they gave to not you.
but in any case all this is insane.
there are some ways to recover thermal receipts but i dont know how reliable they are
robust flicker
it absolutely does matter. They asked for me by name. He said it was him, because he has the same name as me
It was only after they started talking about an overdue balance that he realized it wasn't him, and it was me. And then informed them of that..
dawn badge
it absolutely does matter. They asked for me by name. He said it was him, becaus...
here, the onus is on them to comfirm it is actually you
robust flicker
I am *literally† named after my dad. Same first name, same middle name same last name.
dawn badge
it would still be a breach. they could argue acccident but it would be a breach
primal laurel
but in any case all this is insane.
https://www.fcc.gov/rules-political-campaign-calls-and-texts
this entire country is insane 😂
dawn badge
just send them a poo in a box labled "equipment"
robust flicker
Nah, what's fun is they are keeping my deposit, saying they're applying it to my "old balance" but they are sending me new equipment via FedEx despite having cancelled the install....
So they're either gonna refund that deposit, or I'll sell this crap on Craigslist and get my money back that way. 🤣😂
dawn badge
i would refuse the delivery
robust flicker
Nope. They wanna say I owe them for some equipment, I'll make sure that it's true. 😂
dawn badge
absolute mess
robust flicker
Yeah well. When the Internet provider is owned by a former investment banker, that's what you get. Mediacom.
dawn badge
i guess its gunna come down to lawsuit or give up at some point
iron granite
#1284966617670881350 with the "Z-Wave" tag
stuck anchor
one of my kids tried 2 different brands. both degraded over time and he had to reboot them weekly to get enough performane for gaming.
also - in a house with 3 phase in you must be certain both endpoints are on the same phase pair.
robust flicker
My wife will sometimes intentionally mispronounce or misuse words and phrases because she knows it gets under my skin a little bit. Like "it's a doggy dog world" ... Or "this one little pacific issue.." things like that.
Payback can be a royal @#$@ though, because her pet peeve is crooked things. So when she starts annoying me too much I'll look right in her eyes, and tip some pictures to a slight angle. "STOP!" .. "You first, dear." 🤣
Hey, after 22 years of marriage, we gotta do something to keep things interesting. 😂🤣
robust flicker
The day we stop teasing each other is the day we should file for divorce. Lol
robust flicker
Uhm. I've been toying with upgrading at least part of my home's gigabit wiring to 2.5 or even 10G for a while now. I've had gigabit wiring in my home since about 2012. At a minimum, I'd like to upgrade the connection between the master bedroom switch and the living room switch.
Now that used 2.5 and 10G network equipment is practically everywhere, I may pull that trigger soon. Master Bedroom is where the Internet connection is, and there's my desktop, an AP, my PS4, the Home Assistant Pi, and 2 cat5e lines running from there. One to the garage, to another AP, and the other to the living room. Where the Plex server is, along with the kid's PS3, another AP, and a short jaunt from there to the kid's bedroom. Where she has her PC connected. The original reason for it all was a wired TiVo setup, but we don't use TiVo anymore.
peak slate
Now that used 2.5 and 10G network equipment is practically everywhere, I may pu...
If there's wires in the walls already, you may be able to just run them at a faster speed
clear ferry
For most yes, yet I haven't deployed anything less than 100G for backbone since 2018, and the last 12 months is 95% 400/800G
peak slate
I know cat5e can Even hit 10g over short runs
clear ferry
Now that used 2.5 and 10G network equipment is practically everywhere, I may pu...
40g/56g has been very very affordable for almost a decade already
Not that bad tbh
peak slate
I just need some better switches and all my wiring could run much faster networking
But I already have a 24 port and 16 port switch in the closet and they're new enough to not want to replace
robust flicker
Hell, I looked at sfp+ fiber, and it's cheaper than I expected for a single 100ft run of dual strand...
primal laurel
40g/56g has been very very affordable for almost a decade already
Define affordable
clear ferry
Define affordable
I've seen 36 port 56G switches for $200
primal laurel
Second hand maybe
robust flicker
$200 is above what I wanna spend. I got too much other crap I'm still paying for right now, lol.
robust flicker
All I need, really is a pair of 4 or 5 port switches with 1 or 2 sfp+ ports each.
clear ferry
My current core is 48p 1g with 4x10g uplinks, and my attic distribution is 12 port 1g Poe with 2x10 uplinks
primal laurel
A 36 port is 130w if memory serves right
robust flicker
@warm helm Dude. My monthly car insurance for two cars is cheaper than that. That's not cheap in my eyes...
clear ferry
You should have seen the power measurements per 400G long range sfp
primal laurel
Tell me
peak slate
A 36 port is 130w if memory serves right
That's more than my largest server
The power bill for one switch
clear ferry
That's more than my largest server
I have moved most of my lab to the office but my garage pulls 700w average still
peak slate
I've also been downsizing my power bill for my servers (and increasing their performance too)
(lol old Enterprise being slower and using more power than a more recent sff 1L PC)
clear ferry
I pull about 4000kwh per month, which equates to $25 power bill
primal laurel
You could make so much money if you sold it to us
peak slate
I pull about 4000kwh per month, which equates to $25 power bill
Dang that's some free power right there
Down here in "oil" country that Bill would be like $600
(my usage is in the 2000-3000 range)
robust flicker
Yeah... Even if I did 4k kWh a month COMPLETELY off-peak, that's a $400 a month power bill here..
We have two different peak pricing. Summer peak pricing is $0.30255/kWh, and winter peak is $0.12255/kWh. Off peak is $0.10255/kWh.
primal laurel
We have that too. But optional
clear ferry
So far this month is 3800kwh and $14
primal laurel
From June onwards it will be one price per 15 minutes btw, instead of once per hour
robust flicker
Peak, for us, is also at different times. Summer peak is 1300-1900 from June through September, winter peak is 0500-0900 November-March. But, weekends are all considered off peak, as well as any months not mentioned.
clear ferry
robust flicker
clear ferry
primal laurel
clear ferry
primal laurel
Use power, make money. Thx solar
robust flicker
And yea, they haven't updated the cost per kWh since 2011, but they HAVE changed the base cost.
primal laurel
robust flicker
Use power, make money. Thx solar
Sadly, my local power provider charges fees to those who have solar, and are on their grid. Oh, and shocker, you'll get hit with child endangerment if you aren't on the grid, here...
Yay cronyism.
solar zealot
Why produce electricity when you can earn money from using it
peak slate
We have deregulated power which means it's more confusing and twice as expensive as it should be
All while being less reliable
solar zealot
Just buy a steel beam to use as heater
robust flicker
Just buy a steel beam to use as heater
Eh. I don't need heat here.
clear ferry
robust flicker
That's right now. And for my friends that use "real temperatures" that's 27.78C and 30C for actual and heat index temps.
And it's 1339 here sooo..
primal laurel
Watching videos from the perpetuum mobile and free cosmic energy people is hilarious way to waste free time
peak slate
That's right now. And for my friends that use "real temperatures" that's 27.78C ...
Do you get like 80% humidity too with that temp
robust flicker
Do you get like 80% humidity too with that temp
Actually, right now it's not so bad. It's only 60%.
primal laurel
That's right now. And for my friends that use "real temperatures" that's 27.78C ...
82 C! Wow you must be dead
robust flicker
But yeah, just the fact that I called 60% not so bad should be a clue. 🤣
robust flicker
82 C! Wow you must be dead
We use a more granular temperature range here, one that's more useful for the human body.
primal laurel
We use a more granular temperature range here, one that's more useful for the hu...
Hah
peak slate
Dang that's pants and sweatshirt weather
robust flicker
The difference between, say 29C and 30C is pretty stark, while the difference between 85 and 86 isn't much. 🙂
clear ferry
robust flicker
Brrr
robust flicker
We had snow this year for like 3 days. It was a record.
deft pewter
I see a few days of t-shirt weather there.
robust flicker
Snowed for a whole day. Had about 8inches of snow on the ground. Took 3 or 4 days to melt. I was off work (with pay, yay government jobs) for the entire time, because our area doesn't have snow plows, sand/salt trucks, or winter tires.
My daughter enjoying what is likely a once in her lifetime opportunity.
near reef
if you ever need to do wifi links instead here's the alien technology required for it http://www.freeantennas.com/projects/Ez-10/
biggest box you can cut up and some aluminum foil 😂
before my home was inhabitable i set up my cameras by beaming some wifi across the street. i set up a vpn by punching a hole with upnp
deft pewter
And she looks like she's full of appreciation for the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity too 😄
static schooner
you build a snowman so that you can throw snowballs at it
the enjoyment was still to come
near reef
are you tracking car license plates?
i recommend a kismet installation
all the higher end cars have wireless APs you can track them easily if you can correspond a license plate and a BSSID
you get best results by running multiple wifi adapters for sniffing but if you had to pick only one this is the best one: https://www.alfa.com.tw/products/awus036achm?variant=39477247082568
last cedar
OMG it is fabulous
near reef
here's some random porsche that passed by for example
you can tell it's a porsche because some manufacturers are super helpful and tell you what it is, usually it's CARPLAY or DIRECT or some random dashcam emitting wifi
solid sorrel
zigbee is going to be the death of me I swear!
I've never found something so inconsistent in my 40 odd years. I've tried EVERYTHING to stablise things... most recently did a complete wifi and zigbee channel change... wifi on channel 1 and Zigbee on 25. I have no neighbours nearby so, as far as I understand, this is the most ideal selection.
I have a few Hue dimmer swithes and once in particular is SO inconsistent it's insane. I just cannot get consistent behaviour from it... it's the closest device to my coordinator too! one moment the zha event is triggered just fine.... then it stops working entirely for hours.
Not after support, just screaming in to the void
last cedar
This isn't a support channel, but if you are using a USB stick, using a USB 2 port and an extension (say 15cm) to move it from the PC can cut interference and improve stabilitly
solid sorrel
This isn't a support channel, but if you are using a USB stick, using a USB 2 po...
like I said, just screaming to the void, not after support! I've done all of those stops....and the rest
glacial knot
https://tenor.com/view/ocg-how-ass-is-g3-g3-g3-ass-g3-sucks-gif-1731234195913629...
g3 is great. Do you even fig?
solid sorrel
but thank you 🙂 I have usb 2 extensions, 2m ones. I have channels far away from each other, nothing should be interfering
I might need to start looking at Z-Wave. ZigBee has been an endless amount of admin that I wasn't expecting. I thought it would balance itself better than it does. maybe I need to try Z2M first?
near reef
you can try updating the firmware on your coordinator if it gets them
might need to re-pair devices after though
solid sorrel
you can try updating the firmware on your coordinator if it gets them
It's a Sonoff Dongle V2 - would those update via Home Assistant or do they need flashed with new firmware?
primal laurel
Now you turned it into support anyway
solid sorrel
might need to re-pair devices after though
I've done more repairing this week than I'd expected haha, after changing channel I had to repair 40 devices
primal laurel
solid sorrel
Now you turned it into support anyway
was just answering their question, not here for support, just chatting but I take your point
primal laurel
solid sorrel
where is best to discuss this stuff? discuss, not log support
primal laurel
was just answering their question, not here for support, just chatting but I tak...
It always turns into support anyway
primal laurel
where is best to discuss this stuff? discuss, not log support
Support
solid sorrel
It always turns into support anyway
such is tradition
iron granite
#1284966617670881350 with the "Zigbee" tag
primal laurel
but that's not discussion?
There's no discussion anymore, mods killed that
static schooner
but that's not discussion?
It's your own personal discussion
last cedar
life changing
solid sorrel
https://darkxst.github.io/silabs-firmware-builder/
yep, got that, thanks you!
solid sorrel
It's your own personal discussion
anywhere for group discussion? I don't want to clutter up here
...more
iron granite
<#1284966617670881350> with the "Zigbee" tag
solid sorrel
There's no discussion anymore, mods killed that
oh
static schooner
Go there. Post
solid sorrel
ok... not what I was after but thanks! was keen to chat to a group
near reef
you can talk about the weather
iron granite
Cooled water for example or raccoons.
silent doveBOT
near reef
Dry conditions with the combination of low relative humidity values between 20 and 30 percent along with frequent wind gusts of 20 to 25 mph will create another day of elevated risk for fire spread.
solid sorrel
haha ok... any suggestions for places with group chats about HA?
it's been hot as hell here today!
30 degrees. which is insane
iron granite
haha ok... any suggestions for places with group chats about HA?
Maybe something from the #community-resources
solid sorrel
I wanna hear about how all you do your set ups basically, try and learn from others
solid sorrel
Maybe something from the <#1340064679916998726>
thanks!!
near reef
i just do the data porn thing i like to keep it simple
solid sorrel
ah, that's just facebook groups. ok no worries. apologies for the confusion, I thought this was a more open discusssion chat. Will go away now, sorry!
near reef
personally i think automations should be for simple stuff that won't kill you
iron granite
personally i think automations should be for simple stuff that won't kill you
But where is the thrill?
near reef
was thinking of getting some zigbee valve shutoffs but then i thought to myself "what if these just destroy the pipe somehow"
deft pewter
30 degrees. which is insane
Below freezing?! 😮
near reef
i like to think that battery powered servos can't destroy a pipe but it could happen...
solid sorrel
Below freezing?! 😮
tshirt weather you mean?
near reef
robust flicker
But where is the thrill?
Like BB said, the thrill is gone.
deft pewter
tshirt weather you mean?
They're the same thing, no?
deft pewter
https://www.taps-aff.co.uk/
For being a Scottish site, it sure does give the impression you're all really fucking soft. 15C needs a hoodie? wtf?
8+ and you only need one layer, unless it's raining.
static schooner
Me in the rain
Me in the cold: #the-water-cooler message
That's why I live in San Diego
No rain, no cold, just blue sky
iron granite
Me in the rain
near reef
i got soaked so hard in jeans once i bought plastic hiking pants and liked them so much i kept wearing them every day
they look like bootleg khakis
$40 though wow... these used to be $20
robust flicker
i got soaked so hard in jeans once i bought plastic hiking pants and liked them ...
For years, it always blew my mind that people enjoyed being outdoors in the rain. As I aged, I realize it's because most places idea of rain is just some water droplets falling out of the sky. Not blowing sideways, accompanied by lighting and thunder like all of our rain here.
near reef
ehhh im 2/3rds into the love camp
i love hiking through the local trail when it's bad weather
static schooner
I don't mind watching rain or being on a covered porch during rain, but I have no interest in actually getting wet
near reef
don't love it when water threatens to mess up my home
robust flicker
When your only experience with rain is tornado-spawning thunderstorms, you'll change your mind. 🤣
static schooner
that's what roofs and houses are for
near reef
im up to 7 water leak sensors
primal laurel
don't love it when water threatens to mess up my home
Who you gonna call
dawn badge
Who you gonna call
leak busters!
solid sorrel
For being a Scottish site, it sure does give the impression you're all really fu...
what are you on about "really fucking soft" .... It's tops off at 15 or more I think
near reef
nice light bounce
now the issue is old men have the same mindset, they think the park will have room for their solace when it's bad weather
so you just have a bunch of old men walking alone in the park
deft pewter
what are you on about "really fucking soft" .... It's tops off at 15 or more I t...
The bit where it shows hoodies on under 15.
Hoodies are a second layer, right? 😁
near reef
once i walked into the local trail and saw there were zero footprints in the snow. i got spooked when i found this old man sitting alone by the pier. he must've been there for >1 hr for his prints to disappear
near reef
are we still talking about the weather
I have this ShedRain umbrella I wholeheartedly recommend
I bought one at a costco for $10 probably 10 years ago
ocean oar
Resists Winds up to 75 MPH
🇽 doubt
near reef
it's pretty good engineering for an umbrella. the canopy is actually in two parts to reduce wind load.
the arms are tensioned with nylon piano cords
ocean oar
Two things about that. Either a) it doesn't matter because the reality doesn't live up to the marketing, or b) you built it too strong and no-one is capable of holding onto it, so it just goes flying into traffic
near reef
mine has a few rust spots I should grease it
ocean oar
I live in an extremely windy city, stuffing umbrellas in roadside rubbish bins is basically a competitive sport here. To the extent that there's a subreddit for it: https://www.reddit.com/r/WellyBrollyFails/
Wind is gusting 120km/h (75mph, 65kt) right now, so we're already at the upper limit of what that umbrella is rated 😆
near reef
fly a kite 🤪
deft pewter
Two things about that. Either a) it doesn't matter because the reality doesn't ...
I prefer c) you can keep ahold but you fly where it flies.
clear ferry
g3 is great. Do you even `fig`?
ocean oar
Ah, the low-budget Mary Poppins approach
That is usually the point that people decide it's them or the umbrella, and let go of it before it drags them out into traffic
ocean oar
Womp womp
tidal bronze
Want me to go full on V-TEC?
near reef
have to throttle super hard to counteract side wind
forest edge
Want me to go full on V-TEC?
you in that video wasn't 100%? lol
tidal bronze
I know, with market like this how can I be?
@forest edge I know you prefer kumquats, but you wanna try some loquats?
forest edge
<@104768700069990400> I know you prefer kumquats, but you wanna try some loquats...
isn' that the stuff they use to make Pledge?
when I have a dust issue i'll let you know
tidal bronze
I didn't know they were $149 for 5lb. Huh
static schooner
I have a whole tree full of those things
Like the branches are bowing from the weight
normal mist
hearing localtuya is broken in new core update?
dawn badge
hearing localtuya is broken in new core update?
something to do with tuya is broken... shocker!
normal mist
Hehehe
dawn badge
i see they have an issue open for it breaking in beta. hopefully it will get fixed otherwise its gunna be a shitstorm of crying next week
normal mist
Tuya is just so widely available in cheap stuff... hopefully all matter in time
At least its possible to use it local I guess
tidal bronze
Like the branches are bowing from the weight
Same
weak musk
I just want a lemon and lime tree
stuck mortar
My key lime tree is looking good so far this year 🤞
stuck mortar
Europe is supposed to be asleep
weak musk
why is this server so dead
Maybe no one likes you?
stuck mortar
And no one else has broken their installs lately 
weak musk
weak musk
lol this isn’t an interview. I’ll survive.
static schooner
Insult Norway or raccoons and see how it goes
weak musk
Or profess your love of ubiquiti
stuck mortar
You can summon a few others if you mention Honda
deep python
Insult Norway or raccoons and see how it goes
what if i insult southway
stuck mortar
Denmark?
deep python
it was a joke im not good at geography
young sigil
why is this server so dead
You are not permitted in the fancy channels where we have long debates. And cake.
deft pewter
it was a joke im not good at geography
Jokes are funny.
glacial knot
oh no, I know plenty people that are a joke but ain't funny
last cedar
Did you know that when recently surveyed, 9 out of 10 otters would refuse to use iphones?
robust flicker
You can summon a few others if you mention Honda
Haha, VTEC go brrr
pliant whale
Login attempt or request with invalid authentication from 45.148.10.97 (45.148.10.97). Requested URL: '/media/.git/config'. (l9explore/1.2.2).
Google search for "whois 45.148.10.97" results in Lelystad, Flevoland, Netherlands, "TECHOFF SRV LIMITED".
I think this could be a hacker (not likely Frenck 🤣 , but what to do?
Also I could not find a support channel for this question.
primal laurel
stuck anchor
anything internet-exposed will get accesses like this. a local club i set up joomla for has seen a strong uptick in attempts at their admin/backend from russia, eastern europe and usa since ukraine along with attempts at making bot accounts from the rest of europe.
the "captchaless" captcha plugin for joomla keeps the attempts at making bot accounts at bay so far.
without annoying users with a captcha
we see lots of attempts from addresses registered to russian companies in dns but located at eastern european and german hosting providers
deft pewter
Doesn't that just irritate genuine users, while not really protecting against hackers that actually know how to proxy?
Location-based IP rules kinda suck.
deft pewter
Ah. For a private service, sure.
I've started putting all my stuff behind Cloudflare Tunnels now, so I benefit from their protection too.
(the switch was triggered by me being behind CGNAT in the new house, not security concerns)
?
The CGNAT? Yeah... I was surprised in 2025 😄
Guess it's because I'm using 5G for broadband. A regular ISP here (UK) wouldn't normally have CGNAT.
robust flicker
It's going to become more and more a thing due to a shortage of available IPv4 addresses.
Especially newer ISPs that didn't buy up huge chunks of them years ago.
simple gazelle
Every street in my town has an OpenReach van on it today, I might finally be getting off VDSL? 
deft pewter
It's going to become more and more a thing due to a shortage of available IPv4 a...
If only there were another way with more addresses
robust flicker
Every street in my town has an OpenReach van on it today, I might finally be get...
Good luck
robust flicker
If only there were another way with more addresses
You mean IPv6? That doesn't help with IPv4 CGnat...
deft pewter
Every street in my town has an OpenReach van on it today, I might finally be get...
I've moved to a pretty well-off area with lots of those big green OpenReach boxes all over claiming to have superfast internet. But superfast isn't actually fast... gotta have ultrafast for that. Stupid naming convention.
No fibre here yet... and the residents are dumbasses that protest any work that would mean digging trenches, so we'll never get it.
Never mind that half the area work from home and would benefit from it 
simple gazelle
They glued a load of OpenReach things with laser symbols to my pole, so I hope it's all related
deft pewter
You mean IPv6? That doesn't help with IPv4 CGnat...
I know it doesn't. But you wouldn't even bother with IPv4 addresses if all ISPs adopted IPv6, so that's a moot argument.
deft pewter
They glued a load of OpenReach things with laser symbols to my pole, so I hope i...
Yeah, hopefully it's not just the targets for the giant space lasers.
simple gazelle
Given the state of the world I'd be okay with that. I'm a bit overhyped for FTTP because I was going to get it when I moved into this house, then two days before I got rugpulled as the cab or conduit (I forget which) was full, so went crawling back to my VDSL ISP, they saved my static IP though 
robust flicker
I know it doesn't. But you wouldn't even bother with IPv4 addresses if all ISPs ...
It has less to do with ISPs and more to do with tons of services that are still in use that simply do not work over IPv6.
deft pewter
What doesn't work and why?
robust flicker
Because, in the case of most ISPs using CGnat, they absolutely are using IPv6 as their primary transport mode, and use ipv4-over-ipv6.
deft pewter
Given the state of the world I'd be okay with that. I'm a bit overhyped for FTTP...
Ah, that sucks. I'm so used to FTTP (had gigabit at the last place) so moving here and only getting 100Mbps on a good day feels glacial.
deft pewter
Because, in the case of most ISPs using CGnat, they absolutely are using IPv6 as...
Pretend I know nothing about networking. What's preventing them switching to plain old IPv6? It's just a transport protocol, right?
robust flicker
What doesn't work and why?
I can think of one r8ght off the top of my head: soulseek
Think of it like rails on a railroad track. You can adapt a train to fit a specific gauge, but if the rails don't go where you want them to, then adapting them to fit won't help.
deft pewter
Does Soulseek support IPv6?
No, only IPv4 is currently supported. If you only have an IPv6 Adress, you can still use Soulseek but you will have disadvantages without a public IPv4 such as fewer results and not being able to properly share content.
My reading of that is that as an IPv6 user, you can only connect to other IPv6 users. If everyone switched ,everyone could connect.
deft pewter
Think of it like rails on a railroad track. You can adapt a train to fit a speci...
Bad analogy. The ISP loads the carriages and deals with the track gauge. The consumer only cares that their goods go into a carriage headed to the right station.
Sure, not all carriages can go everywhere (today) but that's because all ISPs need to fix their tracks.
robust flicker
The isp is only responsible for what THEY OWN.
If they turned off IPv4, their customers would lose access to everyone that hasn't embraced IPv6. And then they would lose customers.
deft pewter
So we should give all ISPs a few years' notice to prepare. Oh, wait...
simple gazelle
Embarassingly I've never touched IPv6, inside my network I have plenty of IPs, and outside of that isn't something I have much control over
deft pewter
All it would take is a couple of larger governments (EU, US) to set a deadline and it'd all be sorted.
deft pewter
Embarassingly I've never touched IPv6, inside my network I have plenty of IPs, a...
Yeah, you normally don't care about the external side as long as it 'just works'.
robust flicker
Yes, because government has fixed every other problem in the world.. gimme a break.
deft pewter
No need to be so cynical. The EU government has pushed plenty of legislature through recently that's essentially strongarmed other nations into cooperating.
A well-known one would be the USB-C move. US government wasn't involved but US businesses had to follow suit to make it economical to produce their goods without making two versions.
The EU as a whole has enough collective clout to get the rest of the world to move along with it.
robust flicker
You mean the standard that isn't really a standard? USB-C kinda sucks
deft pewter
If all EU ISPs were forced to switch to IPv6 by the end of the year, you can bet the rest of the world would follow because they wouldn't want to be cut off.
deft pewter
You mean the standard that isn't really a standard? USB-C kinda sucks
You're right. It's a connector, not a standard. Who called it a standard?
robust flicker
The "U" in universal did.
deft pewter
The financial motivation was enough.
deft pewter
The "U" in universal did.
It's a universal connector. No-one has ever claimed that USB-C standardises the transport.
simple gazelle
Even if USB-C isn't perfect you can just plug stuff in, I've been on a retro computing binge recently and I feel sorry for the US never having SCART (or similar). Sure it was a bit clunky but you could plug stuff together and it'd usually give you the best thing supported.
robust flicker
What's the point of a universal connection if it's not really universal, when something with that connection can easily cause a fire when it has something plugged into it that ostensibly supports the standard?
It's a HORRIBLE design choice. Dangerous even.
And I say this as someone who avoids Apple products like the plague they are.
simple gazelle
I've only ever seen it with frayed and dodgy cables, but by that logic all electircal systems are bad
deft pewter
USB cables with power delivery have integrated chips to negotiate said power delivery. They don't just unwittingly force hundreds of watts down to the connected device.
robust flicker
Negotiate what? There's no standard way to communicate according to you. So how can they negotiate if they can't talk using some standard way of talking...
deft pewter
Are you being deliberately obtuse? The connector is a fucking standard shape with a standard pinout. What you choose to do over said cable is another matter.
robust flicker
Oh, so NOW it's a standard?
deft pewter
🤡
Something like "USB-3.2" is a transfer standard. USB-C is just the shape of the frigging plug.
It's not difficult.
simple gazelle
I've not used it other than cams or APs which are pretty low current. Are there standards for troubling wattage then?
forest edge
Insult Norway or raccoons and see how it goes
what am I suppose to be looking for? lol
deft pewter
But you only send what it can handle. And the cables are rated to handle it.
forest edge
don't crack on whats installed in my house
wait you said 5e.. i don't have the e part
solar zealot
That's not a lot of shielding but a lot of cats
deft pewter
I would've assumed the negotiation also cares about the cable. If the devices at either end can tell whether they're 10/100/1000, why not the power rating?
Like, UTP is going to be new, so why wouldn't it carry a few tens of watts?
simple gazelle
I am somewhat tempted to get network cabling put in, as I just got the electrics done and so the walls need replastering anyway
deft pewter
Do it. 100%
It was the first thing we did in this new house, knowing that we'd be decorating anyway.
forest edge
having cables ran through/in walls is expensive. installers just want to install along baseboards anymore these days it seems like
solar zealot
having cables ran through/in walls is expensive. installers just want to install...
Installer these days with their iPads and digital payments 
They just don't want to work no more
forest edge
pretty much
simple gazelle
What's the way to do it? I was thinking just a brace of jacks by the router, one heading into each room
solar zealot
Make it 60, 90 and 200%
If I see more than 20% as an option I always manually go to 0
peak slate
Remember folks, if they don't make enough tips, the restaurant has to make up the difference for their hourly wage to be legal
simple gazelle
I'm glad we don't have US tipping culture here yet, though lord knows they're trying. Anecdotally I see bar staff hit 0 for the customer before turning the machine over
solar zealot
At my regular places I always pick 5% just because I like the people and the food even tho there is no service besides making it
Some still don't have any options and you just pay the price they tell you because that's how any other purchase works
simple gazelle
Don't forget to tip your landlord!
solar zealot
Oh thanks for bringing water to me water company here have more money for the water I pay you to bring you to me already
peak slate
The server who gave us all the tea about the head chef shagging the waitresses in the parking lot getting fired and replaced and quality spiking up immediately
She got a good tip
solar zealot
Every day I wake up im happy I'm not born in that place
I forgot but what was the reason for this in the first place?
peak slate
I forgot but what was the reason for this in the first place?
I'm sure someone is making more money that way
solar zealot
primal laurel
Remember folks, if they don't make enough tips, the restaurant has to make up th...
not gonna help you if your minimum wage is 7$/hr 🤡
peak slate
not gonna help you if your minimum wage is 7$/hr 🤡
That's why they like tipping so much
Even in states where min wage is higher
forest edge
food buisnesses don't make a lot of money to begin with
not really
why do you think so many are closing and have been for the past 4 years
peak slate
Some have found that paying employees living wages actually helps the restaurant
forest edge
lol largest chains
peak slate
Since employees don't have to worry 3 jobs then
forest edge
first of all, not many are actually "chained" they are still privatly owned
primal laurel
pay employees shit wages, they make shit food. Suprised pickachu face
peak slate
pay employees shit wages, they make shit food. Suprised pickachu face
Also happy employees can make happy customers
Fewer mistakes
Etc
forest edge
between having to pay more per employee and all the benefits that are required by law that come with that that also compound the cost. if ALL of those employees were paid normal salaries as well as getting tips.. not only would that be the best job ever but the meal cost would go through the roof
we clients couldn't afford to eat out lol
the tips is optional
poor people don't leave big tips lol
primal laurel
between having to pay more per employee and all the benefits that are required b...
how about... you pay them a living wage, and drop the tips. Crazy idea, I know, but this is how the rest of the world does it
forest edge
how about... you pay them a living wage, and drop the tips. Crazy idea, I know, ...
wouldn't that be nice but that wouldn't fly
they would just bitch more about not getting tips than they ever have about not getting a normal salary wage
peak slate
And this is why tip culture continues, people somehow defend it as 'the only way' despite it not being the only way
forest edge
either way, restraunts and food place in general do not make a lot of profit
they just don't
you don't go into that buisness to become super wealthy
primal laurel
And this is why tip culture continues, people somehow defend it as 'the only way...
sonoma is the perfect corporate slave. The corpo tells me it's good for me, I believe them
forest edge
if they made no profit at all, they wouldn't exsist
peak slate
primal laurel
if you want to live you depend on other people's charity. It's a perverted system
sonoma has shit takes about literally everything. Dont be surprised
forest edge
did you even read what I wrote?
no of course not, you skipped right over it only taking what you wanted to believe I wrote
as usual
if you guys would spend more time learning why thing are the way they are rather than just bitch about things because they don't fit your way of thinking you would have a better understanding as to ow it ended up this way to begin with lol
clear ferry
Tipping 
forest edge
quite frankly prior to covid waters made pretty decent money
waiters
then attack the changes that occured over the past 5 years.. not the system that has worked well for decades
the latest credit card thing pisses me off
before CC's even were a thing they were trying so hard to get people to switch from using cash and writing checks. they even started tacking on special charges for writing checks to further push people to using CC's
and NOW.. this shit with CC's..
lulz
smaller companies, sure. DMV would even do it but for most bigger ones there was no extra charge
it started out that way as well
if you are complaining about greed, your fighting a losing battle
@tidal bronze would like to educate you on why greed is good. lmao
hearty palm
question has anyone used a ring alarm keypad with the hacs intergration called alarmo so have the whole alarm based on alarmo and just use the physical ring keypad to arm and disarm it
tidal bronze
You can't add CC fees anymore in CA. Must be included in the price
forest edge
You can't add CC fees anymore in CA. Must be included in the price
not like you could tell anyways considering the prices are so damn high regardless lol
tidal bronze
Then again vendor TOS says CC must be treated same as cash. 🙂
forest edge
I just read an article last night that talked about LA burning itself played a major role in your recent taking of Japan lol
typical californians
deft pewter
Slow reply, got dragged into a work call. Knowing the number of pairs and the length of the cable (via signal attenuation) is all you need to know. This is the same way that speed is negotiated. If a cable meets certain criteria for speed, it'll also meet known ratings for power transfer.
forest edge
imagine living in missouri cause you can't afford to live anywhere else
your like those people who beg for food then bitch that it's not steak
tidal bronze
Nothing is
forest edge
Nothing is
oh i dunno.. rural alska where no other human is sounds pretty nice to me lol
peak slate
Anyway here's a dog grouchy that she's not allowed to play with the magic driving toy
clear ferry
I still miss my 1.75% interest rate, now it is 5.6% 🤣
tidal bronze
Hmm usable or not🤔
primal laurel
Anyway here's a dog grouchy that she's not allowed to play with the magic drivin...
give to her, you monster
peak slate
give to her, you monster
She already stomped and tried to chew on it
It's not designed to be waterproof but it did survive
forest edge
I still miss my 1.75% interest rate, now it is 5.6% 🤣
that's pretty high
I think we are in the 6's currently
tidal bronze
6.81
clear ferry
Yeah, that is $1000 a month just in interest
I'm currently only paying interest since I was owning two houses up till now
While I had two houses it was $3200 a month just in interest
tidal bronze
Me too
forest edge
multiple houses kind of sucks
multiple properties tho..
thats a diffrent story
renting out sucks too
unless you go all fancy like someone on here
but you don't make as much doing that either
forest edge
I saw something about that builders built more homes then there are people to buy them
wonder if that's the next big issue
tidal bronze
Like in FL?
forest edge
i don't know where it was. was just a general thing
primal laurel
we have a housing shortage of about 500k in NL
peak slate
I saw something about that builders built more homes then there are people to bu...
Prices are still through the roof for those places though
tidal bronze
That's great. If you hold 5+ years it will be ++
forest edge
was something about too many mid level homes then people who buy that tier of home
peak slate
And they're pretty poorly constructed at least around here
400k for like 2k sqft townhome with 2ft of grass and a roof top deck that'll leak in a year
tidal bronze
400k for 2k? Wow!
peak slate
400k for 2k? Wow!
It's also the width of a two car garage
They split lots up to pack as many of those as possible on them
forest edge
400k for like 2k sqft townhome with 2ft of grass and a roof top deck that'll lea...
lmao
glacial knot
400k for like 2k sqft townhome with 2ft of grass and a roof top deck that'll lea...
yea, if it's this cheap, what do you expect 
primal laurel
that's what you entire generation did and now we are fucked. So thanks
peak slate
We thought about buying one of the new builds near the college and renting it until we saw the price
forest edge
that's what you entire generation did and now we are fucked. So thanks
that wasn't our fault
this shit you see being built now has nothing to do with us
younger top dogs wanting more and more
tidal bronze
They split lots up to pack as many of those as possible on them
where is this?
peak slate
where is this?
Houston
forest edge
oh don't give him fuel
tidal bronze
That is cheap.
peak slate
I mean all of Texas is a dumpster fire
peak slate
That is cheap.
Ain't you rich though
Everything is cheap when you have enough money
Lol
tidal bronze
I was comparing price per sqft
primal laurel
Landlords and institutional real estate investors. All parasites
forest edge
wonder what these aprtments they build ontop of shops around here in KC go for
that's like the new trend
I see them go up everywhere now
2k a month?
wtf
lol I think I have seen a casey's in one of those
clear ferry
Have to do a lot of head math, but I think price per square foot in my hometown is $550
clear ferry
Capital price in Norway is apparently $1100 per square foot
forest edge
gross
I am so glad I don't have to deal with any of that shit
hell I could rent a house for under 1k here when I was younger
glacial knot
Have to do a lot of head math, but I think price per square foot in my hometown ...
around 400€/sf where I live
though for new shit it's 5.5k/m²+
deft pewter
Have to do a lot of head math, but I think price per square foot in my hometown ...
About £250/sqft here in a nice spot. So with today's USD, that's what... $3.50? 🤣
glacial knot
I fuckin' wish 
static schooner
Then again vendor TOS says CC must be treated same as cash. 🙂
Pretty sure that went away a decade ago
tidal bronze
@warm helm pretty nice houses.
static schooner
Holy inexpensive, Batman
glacial knot
Pocket money houses...
glacial knot
https://tenor.com/view/bloxzy-funny-cartoon-gummy-wakadooey-gif-3586908454269247...
What's this? Nessy after inflation?
forest edge
<@437583395833249792> pretty nice houses.
you can buy mansions further north for around the same price
deft pewter
Get a VTOL and you only need a pokey little lawn
clear ferry
My house has apparently increased $40k in value the last year
glacial knot
don't worry, real estate market is gonna collapse anytime now. Trust
clear ferry
When everyone moves to Norway?
We have to accept the US refugees from Gilead, @warm helm is welcome
We can own up to 8
glacial knot
Go to the mountain cheese people then
tidal bronze
I need to look into Norway.
glacial knot
why? It's not even the GDP of CA
tidal bronze
why? It's not even the GDP of CA
You are right still small eggs in the billions. 🙂
clear ferry
tidal bronze
31st in GDP ranking oof. Maybe not.
clear ferry
Considering we are 1/68 of the US pop it isn't that bad 
tidal bronze
Considering we are 1/68 of the US pop it isn't that bad <a:NM_WoahUwU:7183682416...
Yep, hence the small eggs 🙂
forest edge
Yep, hence the small eggs 🙂
we should really look into just how much disaster relief over the years has aided your gdp lol
solar zealot
Isn't every new day a disaster
tidal bronze
we should really look into just how much disaster relief over the years has aide...
Nothing to look 83b donated last year over dues. Ask yourself bud 🙂
solar zealot
It went downhill the moment they stopped putting coke in coke
forest edge
Nothing to look 83b donated last year over dues. Ask yourself bud 🙂
there is plenty to look at considered they are flat out saying the LA fires etc is why you just ticked above Japan
solar zealot
Vote decoy654 to bring the world back on track
tidal bronze
there is plenty to look at considered they are flat out saying the LA fires etc ...
2b LMAO. Oh ok!
simple gazelle
Given the likely crossover with HA users and ADHD maybe we should be mircodosing? 🤧
forest edge
2b LMAO. Oh ok!
truth is truth lol
tidal bronze
I just said we donated 83b and you are talking about 2b. Yep truth Sir!
glacial knot
why micro dose when you get it in prescription? 
forest edge
I just said we donated 83b and you are talking about 2b. Yep truth Sir!
well how much of that 83b wasn't yours prior to the relief tho..
thats what they are talking about. how the relief plus all the job stimulation etc.. all the cause and effect
tidal bronze
I think you are teetering on big boy money. Not for you sir. Let not your heart be troubled.
forest edge
like california's secret sauce
burn it down to make more on the rebound
that why thier pop has declined?
lol not true
look it up
tidal bronze
@forest edge for the amount of time you keep ranting about CA, you should move here. You are surely in love with the golden state
forest edge
<@104768700069990400> for the amount of time you keep ranting about CA, you shou...
no i see through the veil
they lost over 400k since covid and only gained back roughly 70k
static schooner
Problem is affording housing
forest edge
you spend too much time trying to defend something you know little about
@warm helm
that "better" stance, is in your head..
what does that have to do with anything
that is being discussed
again
in your head
glacial knot
Just uber everywhere and you don't have to see the homeless 
weak musk
Use VR when walking around and you don’t need to deal with anyone
glacial knot
the hedgehog?
glacial knot
I just find the price of hotels in CA hilarious
tidal bronze
Why?
glacial knot
$/value is a joke. And not a good one
forest edge
wish they would lower prices in california.. maybe these putz moving here would move back
glacial knot
might also be the ones they picked for us the last two years 
tidal bronze
It's market driven.
static schooner
The hotel prices in the Bay Area are indeed ridiculous
glacial knot
It's market driven.
Ye. Being in MTV or Palo Alto also doesn't help^^
static schooner
And breakfast is $30
forest edge
gotta make as much as fast as they can before they go up in smoke or washed away
tidal bronze
Haven't really paid for a hotel stay in ages but as far as price goes, there are people willing to pay that. They would never let occupancy rate drop
glacial knot
^^ our finance department is willing to pay it
I mostly complain about them being bad more so than the price
tidal bronze
Oh that's simple ask them to get better places
forest edge
are the palisades already a new tourist attraction?
glacial knot
Oh that's simple ask them to get better places
yea, not sure what's up with our team planning the travel
tidal bronze
If they let you, do your own research and get better places
static schooner
They still manage to sell out
tidal bronze
Yep
static schooner
They are starting to say 'f that $30 breakfast, get it at the office'
tidal bronze
@glacial knot which group do you stay with?
glacial knot
<@232859383086710789> which group do you stay with?
They have no consistency
Last year it was HIllton first, and then they moved us to a Marriott when the largest group left
glacial knot
If they let you, do your own research and get better places
Nope. Got a room block, gotta use the room block 
glacial knot
They are starting to say 'f that $30 breakfast, get it at the office'
yea. Why would we get breakfast at the hotel o.0
tidal bronze
Nope. Got a room block, gotta use the room block <:probsFail:529781126902841349>
So no access to rewards?
glacial knot
???
glacial knot
So no access to rewards?
If I traveled more I might care. But nothing relevant so far
tidal bronze
You can start collecting on H Honors and Bonvoy.
forest edge
isn't that all a monopoly at this point
I see the Mariott owning all kinds of smaller chains here
I think the Hilton does too
like even those bargain bin motels
365 or whatever that one is that use to actually be cheap
tidal bronze
I am a fan of Marriot/Bonvoy since they acquired Ritz. Wish they took over Four Seasons 🙂
static schooner
Continental was $25 at the last place I stayed
It was a Hilton garden inn, I think
glacial knot
I've stayed in multiple hotels now that had worse breakfast options than our offices 😂
clear ferry
Norwegian hotels are actually quite nice breakfast wise, often raindeer heart and other fun stuff
glacial knot
You don't have permission to access "http://www.marriott.com/search/submitSearch.mi?" on this server.
forest edge
prob why your population hasn't exploded.. the food keeps the number in check
glacial knot
My main problem with hotel chains is the lack of their existance in the back waters places I tend to be at o.0
forest edge
haven't had to stay in a hotel since we ad to take our cat to columbia for cancer surgery
clear ferry
I don't stay at hotels as much anymore, I probably only have 25 days of travel per year now
glacial knot
I have hobbies with weekend events
glacial knot
???
static schooner
Like the Bates
clear ferry
It's either hotels or inns
clear ferry
Don't think I've seen a motel outside of the us
glacial knot
A motel, also known as a motor hotel, motor inn or motor lodge, is a hotel designed for motorists
I'm just confused what the suggestion is supposed to be
static schooner
Motels are smaller, cheaper, and more plentiful than hotel chains
Fewer services
More likely to be pet friendly
forest edge
imagine most are some private owned nightmare at this point
clear ferry
More prone to murder and illegal activities you say
glacial knot
They are barely a thing here
forest edge
wouldn't know.. never tried one of them but have read about thier horror stories
glacial knot
For the areas I stay in it's pretty much entirely local mom&pop shops that existed since they needed stables, not parking lots
static schooner
I got a motel room for like $50 for a night in TX while transporting cats cross country
La Quinta
solar zealot
Isn't a motel the thing where you hide the bodies and do drug trades
clear ferry
Sounds about right
static schooner
And it came with free breakfast 🙂
forest edge
I got a motel room for like $50 for a night in TX while transporting cats cross...
oh? your cats are imported?
forest edge
I bet they hated that trip
static schooner
We let them out in the room at each hotel. Wasn't as bad as I thought it would be
static schooner
It was all tile
forest edge
well that's better
pulsar hemlock
does anyone know if there's an easy way of making homeassistant ignore text between the <think></think> tags on thinking LLMs with assistant
primal laurel
static schooner
does anyone know if there's an easy way of making homeassistant ignore text betw...
clear ferry
I wouldn't let my cats out on that carpet lol
I'm still perplexed watching American tv shows, do you guys actually wear shoes indoors? On carpeted floors? I haven't seen a carpeted floor here since my grandmother sold her 50s house
forest edge
I'm still perplexed watching American tv shows, do you guys actually wear shoes ...
some do, some don't
I personally don't care but we don't get a lot of outside traffic but could understand why those who force people to remove their shoes
tidal bronze
No shoes
forest edge
yea vistors etc
clear ferry
They don't do it voluntarily?
forest edge
to remove shoes at the doorway
ask to remove shoes whatever
service peoople will wear plastic wraps around thier shoes regardless
clear ferry
Noone would enter a house here without removing their shoes, heck we don't even enter the kindergarten without removing our shoes
forest edge
like i said, some care, some don't
I wouldn't force the few vistors i get to remove thier shoes lol
tidal bronze
I have a big ass sign for people without common sense
clear ferry
I would probably not remove my shoes either if I was visiting Sonoma and he wears his shoes indoors 20h a day
Do they come off at night at least?
forest edge
I have a big ass sign for people without common sense
please keep shoes on?
static schooner
Big sign on your ass?
clear ferry
👢
forest edge
I would probably not remove my shoes either if I was visiting Sonoma and he wear...
half my house is solid flooring so it's all good lol
tidal bronze
What's with this 60f days?
forest edge
carpet really only in bedrooms etc
clear ferry
That doesn't make wearing shoes better
forest edge
That doesn't make wearing shoes better
wait you force shoes off even on solid floors?
you clean regularly..
regardless
so..
static schooner
When they aren't eating cat toys, my robot vacs do a great job with vacuuming and mopping. My floors are nice and clear these days
clear ferry
wait you force shoes off even on solid floors?
We only have solid floors, so yes, and we don't force, noone wears shoes indoors, ever
forest edge
so your cool with what the dog tracks in but not someone's shoes? lol
glacial knot
*has things or people vacuum
static schooner
Try to get the dogs to take off their shoes
tidal bronze
so your cool with what the dog tracks in but not someone's shoes? lol
Dogs ok humans not.
forest edge
Dogs ok humans not.
you realize the shit on your dogs feet are worse than someone's shoes right? lol
glacial knot
Don't let dogs in your house solves that problem
forest edge
but you do?
forest edge
confused.. who? the same people you let in your home?
lyric jacinth
hey guys i need hep with my home asssitant i am running ollama locally and added the integration with the m5 atom stack echo and i have tuya devices integrated all around my house and it is not able to properly control all my devices in my house can anyone help me debug it?
forest edge
just do what I do.. don't let people just casually come inside your house thus the only mess that could ever be made is by your own doing
and then clean the floors at least once a day
and presto
you don't have to buy some slip on bs shoes just to come in and out of your own home
static schooner
hey guys i need hep with my home asssitant i am running ollama locally and added...
#1284966915055288530 , and #find-support in the future
forest edge
barefoot was actually pretty common when i was younger
glacial knot
yeayea, in a time before shoes were a thing over there
forest edge
during warmer days that is
glacial knot
heated floors 
static schooner
I just wear slippers around the house
forest edge
watched that netflix show Dark.. all 3 seasons and still don't understand that german mind fuck
glacial knot
what German mindfuck?
static schooner
I had to find a site that had the growing family tree and pause to look people up all the time
It's a damn pretzel
forest edge
the woman did that.. i wasn't going to bother trying to understand it
was frustrating
glacial knot
Habsburger? ;'D
static schooner
So many interrelated characters, each with versions in several timelines
glacial knot
Netflix only answering half the questions? 😮
static schooner
I liked it, but it was a lot of work to watch
forest edge
Netflix only answering half the questions? 😮
I assumed it was some original german script
Netflix buys up all that kind of stuff
static schooner
It was
forest edge
I liked it, but it was a lot of work to watch
props to the actors.. the changes in appearence and having to protray that timelines and current time set role must have been hard
static schooner
Gotta watch it in the original German
forest edge
but I doubt the actors even knew wtf was going on lol
keen bridge
@blissful zodiac It's here
blissful zodiac
Yeah, but clicking off of it makes it disappear for whatever reason
glacial knot
Yeah, but clicking off of it makes it disappear for whatever reason
There's some server level settings to hide rooms with no unread messages
keen bridge
Discord is probably just being silly. Try force quitting the app
blissful zodiac
Discord is probably just being silly. Try force quitting the app
Its been like this
forest edge
the-water-cooler is hidden for you? you won the lotto!
blissful zodiac
There we go.
I added it to favourites and now it stays there
No.
I only just now did it
glacial knot
🦝 approves
forest edge
why anyone would "want" to see this channel is baffling
static schooner
I'd guess it's one of these:
static schooner
there have been days when I really wanted to mute this channel
glacial knot
why anyone would "want" to see this channel is baffling
You do know you can just not come here, right?
forest edge
all mods should
for 24 hours
mute this channel and don't view it
and see what happens
glacial knot
Support. Sadly
glacial knot
you sure?
patent crest
hmmm
blissful zodiac
Hey Nabu, remind me to lock my rubbish bins/
glacial knot
I wonder what the overlap between stupid humans and smart 🦝 is
blissful zodiac
forest edge
I wonder what the overlap between stupid humans and smart 🦝 is
are you calling @last cedar stupid?
last cedar
are you calling <@300242410338910209> stupid?
I am not smart enough to see if this is a complement or not
blissful zodiac
Oh yeah, I need to get Fedora back working on the Macbook.
glacial knot
ohh, the coke dashboard again
blissful zodiac
Yes
The coke bottle dashboard
It's the Coke/Soda/Pop/Soft Drink
Whatever you call it.
I use the brand name.
The one with Phosphoric Acid and High Fructose Corn Syrup.
blissful zodiac
I wonder if I moved Home Assistant to Windows Server.
glacial knot
why would you do that to yourself?
blissful zodiac
blissful zodiac
why would you do that to yourself?
Active Directory
last cedar
https://tenor.com/view/hank-schrader-shock-realization-realisation-gif-20454516
The bit just before this was so dark and funny at the same time
blissful zodiac
And for some reason Samba on Linux just doesn't work.
primal laurel
The bit just before this was so dark and funny at the same time
best series ever. Watched it 4 times
glacial knot
Active Directory
and that helps you how?
glacial knot
And for some reason Samba on Linux just doesn't work.
works for me
Though all of the somewhat static hosts are on NFS. I only use CIFS/SMB for the ones that fall of the network occasionally
blissful zodiac
and that helps you how?
We have multiple computers
Just put everything onto the net drive and move across computers as needed.
Boxes, that ain't it.
It's 2019, not 2022
clear ferry
laughs in block storage
glacial knot
I have multiple computers as well. No need to force myself to use windows
clear ferry
No smb works fine on all modern OS'
blissful zodiac
<:celrShrug:814619585759936553> I have multiple computers as well. No need to fo...
It's Fedora and old MacOS
clear ferry
For decades
glacial knot
It's Fedora and old MacOS
But why would you pair that with AD?
Performance can be shit with SMB
glacial knot
Samba has some oddities due to the case insensitivity
blissful zodiac
But why would you pair that with AD?
Because I just can't get Fedoras to sync.
And they're the same version
clear ferry
This just sounds like pebkac
blissful zodiac
The Fedora I'm running on this laptop is the exact same as the one running HA/
glacial knot
to sync what? 
blissful zodiac
to sync what? <:yagaThink:993697770277974036>
Users and ACLs.
blissful zodiac
Kerbos is weird, too.
Just doesn't work right.
clear ferry
It definitely does
blissful zodiac
It's given me the weirdest errors.
clear ferry
I've worked with rhel integrated with ad and automatically creating users and folders across thousands of systems
blissful zodiac
And then when I finally get it setup, Fedora refuses to login
clear ferry
SSSD go brrrrr
blissful zodiac
it wouldn't even join the realm
forest edge
SSSD go brrrrr
followed by smoke?
clear ferry
followed by smoke?
Not SSD, SSSD
glacial knot
Smoky Solid State Drive?
clear ferry
it wouldn't even join the realm
This is just pebkac
clear ferry
Smoky Solid State Drive?
System security services daemon rather
clear ferry
It actually works great at scale
glacial knot
When you have competent admins^^
blissful zodiac
Oh, right. IP separation.
glacial knot
sadly we had to make it work in customer environments with not so great admins. Makes it hard
glacial knot
I currently manage it on a 3000 node HPC cluster
Yup. The easy case^^
clear ferry
<:celrShrug:814619585759936553> sadly we had to make it work in customer environ...
Yes daddy
robust flicker
Given the likely crossover with HA users and ADHD maybe we should be mircodosing...
I feel attacked.
blissful zodiac
💤
blissful zodiac
Given the likely crossover with HA users and ADHD maybe we should be mircodosing...
Really? Why am I being called out?
glacial knot
the people calling out just confirm the point
clear ferry
This just confirms my assumptions about pebkac
Also, why are you doing this as root
Are we pretending we are on hp-ux
iron granite
And what happened to server-0?
glacial knot
mounting needs root
clear ferry
And what happened to server-0?
Ah, I see you are a man of no culture
glacial knot
🤔
Access to the raw block device certainly does
You can do some nonsense with user+mount namespaces to not require (real) root for the actual mount(2) syscall.
But it's not a good idea to allow that either, since linux filesystem implementations are famously not secure
glacial knot
well, you can do some things to get access to the block device as user
but it's not something you'd do by default in most setups
clear ferry
Not to mention the users who mount their devices in their home directories
(they are sick btw)
stuck anchor
i used fedora in corporate windows environments back when realmd and sssd first appeared. they made it easier to use fedora than macos in a windows environment. at home i use freeipa instead of ad.
stuck anchor
I currently manage it on a 3000 node HPC cluster
i actually just joined a hpe cray node to a cluster. first time playing with one of those
scenic radish
it's bothering me that I don't have a 10th sensor that would fit here
and yes, I know I could change it to 3 columns wide but i don't wanna
humble gull
anyone know how to replicate the weather icon and colour from the Mushroom chip card with the HA badges in the new dashboards?
clear ferry
i actually just joined a hpe cray node to a cluster. first time playing with one...
Now I'm curious which, because not all cray are cray, not even all cray are hpe
static schooner
I have a similar block on mine and just find something else to put there 🙂
Obligatory fifth thing
scenic radish
doorn't
stuck anchor
Now I'm curious which, because not all cray are cray, not even all cray are hpe
i only had to add it to a cluster, but i did notice 2tb ram and 8 gpus
clear ferry
Sounds like it could be either a XD670 or a XD675
670 is a rebranded Gigabyte server
scenic radish
|| XDeez nuts ||
stuck anchor
the bios screen at least said hpe cray.
and i did see it had infiniband, but not connected for now
clear ferry
the bios screen at least said hpe cray.
Just do a dmidecode
I'm apparently the only one crazy enough to reverse engineer the api of the 670, because we have no documentation of it
stuck anchor
i'll check if i need to do any more work on it. i just booted rhcos from iso, set up network bonding and trunking and installed openshift
glacial knot
API of a server? o.0
clear ferry
The bmc
glacial knot
clear ferry
brisk jetty
Anyone else noticed a change in the datetime, timezone with HAOS ion the last few weeks? If I check at the termin my date is set correctly to local date time and timezone, and in the UI it is also set correctly to my local timezone. but using {{ now()|as_local }} provides a date time that is way wrong. I picked this up as my morning briefings have been telling me it bin day when it not and that my next meeting happened last night :D. Not a great wake up, I can tell you :).
solar zealot
now() already is time zone specific, as_local on it does nothing
if the return is way wrong that means that your system time is set up wrong
normal mist
it's bothering me that I don't have a 10th sensor that would fit here
Add a button to lock all doors
scenic radish
Pretty good idea
stuck anchor
Sounds like it could be either a XD670 or a XD675
xd670. i had to check. i know nothing about the box. is it a cool one?
blissful zodiac
After absolutely failing to try Windows Server, I'm going to attempt installation of HAOS
old bear
Hi does anyone here have Zemismart roller shades or other Zemismart Zigbee products?
blissful zodiac
Hi does anyone here have Zemismart roller shades or other Zemismart Zigbee produ...
No, I only have Sengled
old bear
No, I only have Sengled
Do you have a hub that supports the Tuya system?
primal laurel
After absolutely failing to try Windows Server, I'm going to attempt installatio...
Windows server? That's cursed
blissful zodiac
Do you have a hub that supports the Tuya system?
Not really
I just use a cheap dongle from AliExpress
primal laurel
What is @clear ferry 's opinion about windows server I wonder
blissful zodiac
Windows server? That's cursed
It wouldn't install
stuck anchor
my opinion about windows is that it actually is a solid os as long as you don't install any microsoft applications that have kernel hooks deep into the os. like ms office. all that ms crap destabilizes the whole os by giving ux oriented programmers access to mess up deep inside the kernel.
and why would you run a windows os without ms crap applications? almost everything else runs just as well or better on linux.
and now that ms is pushing ads, ai and cloud into everything on your desktop... i want to know where my data is.
blissful zodiac
Installing HAOS
stuck anchor
Do you have a hub that supports the Tuya system?
tuya stuff that uses zigbee works fine (mostly) on ha without any tuya hub. the hub binds you to their cloud service. with a zigbee dongle in ha you have direct control. tuya wifi devices i stay away from.
primal laurel
my opinion about windows is that it actually is a solid os as long as you don't ...
I dont hate windows. But it seems to get shittier and shittier year after year and now that steam OS is finally making Linux gaming a reality maybe we can make a real change
blissful zodiac
Quick Question: If I install HAOS through USB, does it install to the drive or does it stay on the USB?
primal laurel
Quick Question: If I install HAOS through USB, does it install to the drive or d...
It's never a quick question, go to #1284966540617449515
stuck anchor
i have one vm running windows because i need a browser with activex for my old blade server. and one pc i can boot windows on if i should want to fly my cobra with vr glasses. those are my only 2 windows installs.
blissful zodiac
It's never a quick question, go to <#1284966540617449515>
It's on USB
stuck anchor
my work laptop runs a linux based thin client os, with everything i need at work on either a windows vdi for office'y things or a linux vdi for real work.
stuck anchor
everything i do at work is redhat based so at hume it is centos for servers and fedora for desktops/laptops
clear ferry
xd670. i had to check. i know nothing about the box. is it a cool one?
Eh, it's ok, I've rolled out about 3000 of them in Norway so far
clear ferry
What is <@457673488225009676> 's opinion about windows server I wonder
I was a windows admin before you were born actually
primal laurel
I was a windows admin before you were born actually
weird flex but ok
clear ferry
But no, windows server is fine, I even ran windows server as my desktop OS for years
ocean oar
clear ferry
It has its uses
But less so these days
90% of installs of windows server could have been a container though
primal laurel
It has its uses
such as?
blissful zodiac
💤
dawn badge
i have several jokes that could be made about that flash drive
static schooner
how do you expect to make little laptops that way?
blissful zodiac
i have several jokes that could be made about that flash drive
That's HAOS
Well I'm doing it over USB because of how weird eMMC is on the laptop.
And also because I thought the named "USB Installer" would make it an installer
Not just put HA onto the USB drive.
old bear
tuya stuff that uses zigbee works fine (mostly) on ha without any tuya hub. the ...
interesting. Witha tuya dongle is there a range for the devices? Id assume so. Problem being that my server running HA is in the basement
i found a video on it from 6 months ago im watching now
weak musk
I’d avoid tuya everything, but I also have an aversion to pain.
The zbt-1 is a good usb dongle that comes with an extension cable.
primal laurel
Some people like pain and dont value their time
weak musk
Is that why Dutch people bike everywhere?
red rock
Is that why Dutch people bike everywhere?
I do this less now and I miss time to listen podcasts
static schooner
because you're taking the bus or something?
weak musk
I do this less now and I miss time to listen podcasts
I leave a bike at my office and ride during lunch. It’s nice.
static schooner
I only ever listen to podcasts when I'm driving, which is mainly when I'm commuting to and from work. My podcast consumption went way down during covid
weak musk
I listen when doing housework or doing shop projects along with the car.
static schooner
then it'll take you forever to finish a podcast
weak musk
Commute around the block 3x then to your desk
red rock
And I now got parents talking to me when I come downstairs
And my little brother comes to the gym
static schooner
you should move into your own place
weak musk
Yeah have you considered buying a place to live in?
weak musk
Oh bad day for me to take the motorcycle to work— just started absolutely dumping rain outside
static schooner
It looked like the last guy just built a fire on the living room floor
now we're distracting him from helping in #beta
red rock
you should move into your own place
Yes lol
weak musk
now we're distracting him from helping in <#427516175237382144>
That’s a feature
red rock
preferably one with light fixtures
Don't need any
static schooner
red rock
I have hue play bars
weak musk
Sir this is a Wendy’s