the-water-cooler

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/its-small-chris-frezza-just-a-tiny-bit-only-a-little-a-tiny-amount-gif-15856750402137227760

[desert cave]

Just remembering when he couldn't figure out how to remove a rack door from its hinges so drilled holes in it to be able to prop it open

[solar zealot]

How could you not

I just find he has a lot of shitty takes on stuff, trying to pick a morally position for others to then argue on how they don't apply to him. Tho I guess that's just normal for yt personalities, it's not like the other™️ channel figures would be acting any better.

The videos are alrightish if you just watch them for entertainment

[lunar remnant]

To an extent I think it's just that the consumer and small business electronics industry has matured and gotten kinda boring

Like even for a small business you can just buy a couple of big servers and virtualise, you don't need a complex setup now

[solar zealot]

To me tech yt for stuff died with that big channel about iPhone and unboxings going popular

There do be a couple pearls out there exploring old networking tech which I found recently.

[weak musk]

the tours for SHS were great

nice seeing some of the more maximalist setups

[lunar remnant]

Probably weren't getting the views - a lot of YTers do that, experiment with something then decide it's not getting enough interest

[solar zealot]

[weak musk]

Not familiar with that one.

I also watch a fair number of tours etc for professional installs, just for ideas to see if I can apply to HA

which 99.9% of the time you can

[solar zealot]

buy knx buy knx buy knx buy knx

[weak musk]

that's a fair point

[solar zealot]

U guys do automations?

[weak musk]

Alexa turn on the desk lamp, Alexa turn on the overhead light, ALexa turn on the tv, alexa turn off the stair lights....

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-gif-15070970253881752808

[weak musk]

I'm usually pretty good about starting and finishing projects, but as I'm typing this I'm looking over at my bar cabinet and the top is covered with my soldering iron, 3 spools of wire, heat shrink and a torch

[iron granite]

Don't need that. I know where my rooms are.

[weak musk]

My dog deserves lights and automations to make her life better too.

[iron granite]

No. Well trained dogs turn off the lights. 😝

https://tenor.com/view/lights-on-lights-off-dog-playing-cute-gif-13573666

[weak musk]

No joke, my dog is why I built/installed automated stair lighting

she tripped once at night and I was like "NEVER AGAIN"

[acoustic cloak]

Very new to coding and servers. Can this be hosted say the on a server instead of Linux in home? If so and down the road I decide to move to a home device are these servers easy to move?

[keen bridge]

#1284966540617449515, but you shouldn't be installing home assistant outside of your home, it needs the local network 😉

[acoustic cloak]

Ah I am doing one for ai. I just assumed sorry I am new my apologies

[forest edge]

@warm helm should have skipped the jeep and just ordered one of these. https://youtu.be/cq1qEjwSYkw?si=J6eXFH_byjB0dIW_

[patent crest]

has anyone integrated google gemini into frigate to describe detected people?

[static schooner]

https://github.com/blakeblackshear/frigate/discussions would be the best place for that

[patent crest]

ok

thanks

[glacial knot]

Gemini is an interesting choice for that

[fading steeple]

Have trouble gaining assessing home assistant after moving the home assistant to a new home

[static schooner]

#1284966540617449515

[clear ferry]

Entertainment entails it actually being entertaining and not making you wish to strangle someone, not to mention the fanboy base that gets sexually aroused by an average screwdriver with a logo on it

https://tenor.com/view/shiny-moana-tamatoa-sparkle-sparkly-gif-16985274

Lots of things

Especially people

[stuck anchor]

looking at how ltt mangles every linux install, and how little they understand file servers... they need to stick to gaming pc's and windows.

[solar zealot]

not to mention the terrible job setting up home assistant which ended up making homey seem good lol

[clear ferry]

"remember to install node red"

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

Adhd kids be adhding

[solar zealot]

Making homeassistant look good is quite difficult

But hey you can do it without spending 350 bucks on a zigbee hub

[clear ferry]

I don't even see home assistant, so I don't know

https://tenor.com/view/dashboard-excel-data-clarkson-top-gear-gif-25210334

[solar zealot]

automations are kinda useless to me

[clear ferry]

Because you have an ocd about clicking buttons?

[solar zealot]

Tactile Feedback, the ipad kids these day won't know

It already sounds complex enough for me not wanting to look into it

[clear ferry]

You change your routine with work from home? I just do the same thing every day

[solar zealot]

well really what's mmwave gonna do

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/creepy-dog-cigarette-light-smoke-gif-4991517

[solar zealot]

mmm lunch 🤤

[clear ferry]

I sometimes remember to eat lunch

[solar zealot]

don't you have a supermarket inside a larger market inside your basement

[clear ferry]

I have a pantry yes

Both upstairs and downstairs

[deft pewter]

Danger 5?

[solar zealot]

usually i press a button and they stay on aswell ^^ magically they even turn off on the second press

[clear ferry]

Yes, my favorite show ever

🍆

[solar zealot]

put the groceries down

come on debian 13 release already

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[clear ferry]

You don't run Sid?

[solar zealot]

im not into that kind of pain

tho if i would i might not have had the need to be mad at them not fixing fail2ban in over two years

[clear ferry]

I've switched from stable to sid once the first freeze is started since 9

[solar zealot]

no idea how that slipped through

how bad is it going living on the unstable side

[clear ferry]

I've had two issues the last 5 years

Both related to a race condition in zfs dkms vs kernel version

[solar zealot]

cant be worse than regular ext4 failing from nothing at all

just put on a presentation or teams call

or just take a longer break ;D

[clear ferry]

People care if you are available in teams?

I just do whatever I need when I need to, then do my job when I get back

[glacial knot]

people use teams?

[clear ferry]

I do 8h a day

[deft pewter]

Imagine working 8 hours a day

[clear ferry]

I never said I worked

I'm logged in

[tidal bronze]

Anyone using a low latency analog audio to chromecast solution?

[clear ferry]

I do log 8-10h every day, I work 4-6 😤

Mmmmm constant monitoring

The American dream

https://tenor.com/view/sorrey-gif-8824598

[glacial knot]

Except any other

[deft pewter]

If you need integration with the rest of Office, sure. Otherwise, absolutely not.

[clear ferry]

I actually enjoy teams, but everyone else in the company sucks at using it

I was the first to create a team in my country and noone else bothered using the channels

90% of the devs and support that is above level 3 use slack exclusively

[forest edge]

nerd

[teal brook]

Hey, sorry to ask. Is it better to install haos directly or through vm on linux?

I bought gmktec g3 plus. I suppose i wont be able to use it as camera recorder or something?

[near reef]

try proxmox

[static schooner]

And #1284966540617449515

[stuck anchor]

looking at how m$ is injecting ai into everything these days... now even in paint and notepad...

most of the stuff i work with is not allowed to hit public cloud services. not by policy, but by law. and how can i be certain all leaks to ai services have been plugged? windows just keeps getting harder to use except as a vdi for just office type work. all real work must be done from linux. not that i am complaining. i have never been a windows user.

[clear ferry]

Just wait till copilot and recall is enforced

[deft pewter]

Enforced 😂

[shy plinth]

no confidence that salesforce won't do the same with slack at some point so i just use what everyone else in our org does, we're big on O365. less friction

[weak musk]

I’ve never had a boss that cared either. As long as I produced results. But this situation is definitely far from normal in the states.

[mild canopy]

not sure on which channel to ask #1284966353798697001 or #1284966582375813201.
my question is: assuming standalone HA on a raspberry pi using Zigbee2MQTT, where is data/external_converters folder (as mentioned on "external converters" page) located using global path?

any guidance?

[static schooner]

#1284966617670881350

[robust flicker]

has been without home Internet access for almost a week due to a billing problem with another utility Damn power company double billed us 2 months in a row, both of which caused my Internet provider's payment to fail due to NSF. And how did they fix it? A bill credit. Which isn't helping me pay my damn Internet bill which is now beyond two months, so click no Internet. I spent hours on the phone all week, finally get them to agree to actually do an ACH back to my account. Which won't post until Monday... Meh.

[solar zealot]

Sue them for this inconvenience

That's the American way I heard

[robust flicker]

Someone watches too much TV.

[solar zealot]

Did my square eyes give it away? :c

[forest edge]

kill it with fire!

[tidal bronze]

All of a sudden?

[static schooner]

Spite can be expensive, but it's satisfying

[copper forum]

Y'all quick question, not totally sure where to put it.

Upgrading my setup from an old pi 3 to a pi 4, can I just take the SD card and plonk it into the new one or will it break

[static schooner]

#1284966540617449515

[near reef]

why not try it

[static schooner]

Because it won't work

[cedar stratus]

Hello world... newbie here.. I'm a seasoned techie by trade & tinkering, but fairly new to HA.

I'm hoping someone with a lot more HA can take a few mins to chat about HA. I'm trying to catch onto the features & sytnax / architecture possibilities

before anyone A/S/L's me.. 39/M/TX

[dawn badge]

has anyone asl'ed anyone in the last 20 years?

[cedar stratus]

as a married father, I have no idea

but too many people online are hopeful that my name is Dona... rather than Alex

so, better safe than sorry

any seasoned vets out there willing to teach a new guy?

I have like 80 zwave devices with another 50 planned

trying to get much "smarter" with automations, but lacking experience

I'm a transplant from smartthings

[static schooner]

Seems like starting with the docs will help

Or any number of YouTube videos

[cedar stratus]

I've watched so many

[dawn badge]

honestly, watch a few videos read a few articles/documentation and get a feel for what the tools are and then try some more specific questions in the support channels

[cedar stratus]

but I want to bounce ideas around... my issue is a lack of time to tinker

I'm trying to shortcut the trial/error phase

[dawn badge]

thats half the fun

[cedar stratus]

guys, I do tech infrastructure strategy for work

like, I'm VERY ambitious with this

i'm not looking for newbie tutorials.. I've watched a bunch

[dawn badge]

start small and enjoy the small wins and learning as you go. if you try and do everything too quickly you will never finish, get annoyed and burn out

[cedar stratus]

I'll give you an example... one of the "lessons" I learned from SmartThings was that I didn't want to define my automations based on individual devices...

so I"ve figured out how to use helpers to define groups and then use automations on groups... so that's good

now, I'm trying to figure out how to use booleans to set indicators for "smart" notifications

but my creativity is lacking.. I'm like, doing this one entity at a time for both on/off is awful

how to do I consolidate/group these types of entities to do this en masse

yeah, I can do that

was just hoping to have a conversation about terminolgy and ideas before engaging the public at large

[dawn badge]

scenes

[cedar stratus]

I use scenes in automations.. like for closing/locking all doors

but now I want to send my phone an alert if some door/gate/lock is open past 10pm for example

I'm struggling to understand how to manage entity states / monitoring

[dawn badge]

thats fairly easy but start a thread in #1284980040940912641 for help with that sort of thing

[cedar stratus]

I can do that... I was just hoping to have a conversation... I'm sensing the water cooler isn't as "chat" friendly as I'd hoped 😦

damn it, I should have said 32/f/CA

always worked on AIM

[near reef]

I miss msn

[cedar stratus]

well, see my last 2 comments as proof I'm in the right channel

np, I"ll try autoamtions, thanks

[near reef]

that's really easy to do just use the Time options

protip: have all your notifications fire in a "parallel" block so the automation keeps going if one device doesn't get something

yeah, but nothing spaghetti code can't fix

[static schooner]

An excellent topic for #1284980040940912641

[dawn badge]

and have a llm add insults to the notification 🙂

[dawn badge]

recently added llm and need to rework all my notifications

have a handful that i have been testing with and its been a bit random but its coming along

[storm crest]

but does it support HA

[copper forum]

anything supports HA if you want it to

[glacial knot]

well yea, with a screwdriver, a soldering iron and some ESP32

thought it'll get harder and harder with various silly digital functions

[clear ferry]

I don't pick on disabled children

[forest edge]

kind of like attacking your own kind isn't it

[clear ferry]

I'm a grown ass female thank you

[rocky turret]

Anyone have Eufy outdoor lights working with HA? Sans Google assistant?

[clear ferry]

Considering there is a eufy integration that has been there since 0.68, I'd say yes

[stuck anchor]

raccoon defender 3000 gets defeated

https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/1k8r7aj/raccoon_defender_3000_will_be_tested_tonight/?rdt=54388

[last cedar]

checkmate

I love raccoons

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-worried-scared-look-gif-23041456

[solar zealot]

the cover has been blown

RUN

[glacial knot]

So ugly. Clearly this shape is better

just big enough for a cuppa

[hearty palm]

i have an idea that seems cool in my head but in practice it might be dumb i was thinking about getting an rj11 switch box an analog phone and an rj11 to ip phone gateway idk how thats called put them all together and have a phone on my desk that can switch between normal calls and home assistant / ip phone mode

[clear ferry]

Where about it this? Ip phones were a fad here between 2005-2012 but are mostly dead since except for pensioners, but afaik no new ones are installed since 2018

[iron granite]

Don't touch my fax machine!

[clear ferry]

I remember last time I configured one, 2005, and it was decommissioned within a year 🤔

Still had to use one in 2008 because working for a US company we were stuck in the stone age

[glacial knot]

Borrowed from work?

[clear ferry]

No, got them from work

Part of a €15k demo package

Was 5APs, 2 microbranch routers, a user experience probe, and two switches

Running a SDWAN between my house, MILs house and my parents house

[deft pewter]

Tell us more about the probing

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/cartman-probe-oww-burn-gif-12785003

[glacial knot]

can you send me one?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-no-gif-8971642892483725157

[feral flower]

Good day, people

Uk here, afternoon 🙂

[primal laurel]

what is that

[glacial knot]

a ceiling

[hearty palm]

lol i want to do this only to make my desk more cool yea i know its not good but idk combing old tech and new tech together is fun

[glacial knot]

@iron granite for some reason <@&330946878646517761> doesn't seem to be a thing?

[keen bridge]

It really is a thing

[low harness]

It is

[glacial knot]

or does the preview just not offer it, but it works as typed?

then the interface was just being stupid o.0

[hearty palm]

rn i am at a point with my homelab where i do projects for fun

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/ive-been-summoned-summoned-summoning-gif-26707825

[hearty palm]

just to mention this so everything i said before makes sense

[static schooner]

That's been brought up before and it looks like it's still happening

[hearty palm]

also i want to mention this home assistant is one of my favorite tools bravo to the team working on it

[glacial knot]

yea, probably just a discord bug with the server size

[lone dagger]

IT’S TOO EARLY ON A SUNDAY FOR MOD SHENANIGANS

😂

[glacial knot]

Nah

[lone dagger]

bans @glacial knot

[iron granite]

[glacial knot]

Why "Euno"?

[iron granite]

Electrically driven

[calm wind]

Too early? I'm cooking dinner...

[deft pewter]

Dinner? So it's around midday? 😄

[floral folio]

@forest edge If you're in Chicago. we're having a meetup at Pumping Station One.

[forest edge]

thankfully i am not

f @scenic radish is still around he is tho

[floral folio]

Cool.

Just spreading the word.

[scenic radish]

Oh nice, when is it at @floral folio ?

[iron granite]

You can spread it in #1325926382575816725 in a more persisting way, if you like.

[forest edge]

a wild Tediore appears

[floral folio]

https://lu.ma/ewfhmp4u

[clear ferry]

Here I thought you were an engineer, but my prejudice against education still holds true

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-dancing-cat-chinese-dancing-cat-funny-cat-meme-cat-gif-15355044296113816836

[scenic radish]

Oh nice, I'm in Wicker so not far at all

[floral folio]

Thank you. I'm wondering if the blog post will be updated with a list of all of the places doing it now.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/wicker-man-wickerman-burning-cult-gif-9444735240156075617

[floral folio]

@scenic radish I also run a home lab meetup every other week in the space. Thursdays (next one is on the 8th) 6:30 PM.

[iron granite]

Oh, it is part of the Community Day. Nevermind!
Your event is already mentioned in the thread #1364989531069091920 message

[primal laurel]

you wanna see my eningeering card?

https://tenor.com/view/xx-ron-swanson-i-have-a-permit-i-can-do-what-i-want-parks-and-recreation-gif-15660350

[clear ferry]

No thanks

I don't respect education

[primal laurel]

atx is American confirmed

[forest edge]

How would you know? you don't leave yours...

opening the door to get delivery off the porch doesn't count

[hearty palm]

thx for the warning ig? still most of these fun things i want to do never see the light of day

this might be another one of those idk

[glacial knot]

impressive

[static schooner]

the bits have nowhere to go

nowhere to hide

it's a scary time for bits

[acoustic cloak]

Which would be better? proxmox or run it on virtual box? i only have one spear pc and i have to have windows on it. So i thought i could vm this would that work?

[iron granite]

Running Ethernet cable in a VM?

[dawn badge]

i guess it depends if you need to access the windows install on it on the machine itself or if only remotely

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-tube-gif-19333391

[dawn badge]

if only remotly then proxmox and have windows and haos running in seperate vm's if you need to access windows directly then the question is moot anyway

[acoustic cloak]

from time to time i will need to use the windows, but very little. Its so purpose will be just to run virutal box. Its a beast machine i never use

[glacial knot]

then proxmos, so you don't have to run windows all the time 🙂

[acoustic cloak]

proxmox costs correct? @warm helm

No can i ask why running virtual box for ha would be bad on windows? Just trying to learn

[dawn badge]

because its windows

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/clippy-hello-microsoft-microsoft-clippy-microsoft-windows-gif-27108993

[glacial knot]

Neat. Wifi7?

[unreal crystal]

I guess that bank is pretty local

I do kind of favor just read only for HA.

[clear ferry]

I like @last cedar

[dawn badge]

my HA is anti-dog 🙂

[glacial knot]

that's some interesting language for those alerts

[dawn badge]

create a message that alerts the user that a dog has been spotted on the driveway, use multiple swear words to show your annoyance that this is the case

[glacial knot]

Boo, LLMs
or do you run that local?

[dawn badge]

local

[clear ferry]

Link Local Modules

[iron granite]

One more swearword and it has to be a Limited Liability Machine

[dawn badge]

this model if interested

[clear ferry]

Lame language models

[dawn badge]

i havent really messed with llm's that much until i upgraded the server to run it locally. because i do stupid stuff like this

[glacial knot]

I'll have to get some better hardware to run the STT first...

it's already pretty slow and a bit too inaccurate for my taste

[dawn badge]

i squeze whisper and ollama onto the new 5060ti 16gb

[mild canopy]

i'm guilty of not updating my HA and the addons for far to long, but is it just me or there seems to be no way to get the button states from any of my TRADFRI using Z2M. how are people suppose to create simple automation like turning on the light if they can get the button state?

no .action entity any more. and i don't see anything to replace it.

i guess we're living in the dark tonight.

[static schooner]

That was mentioned in the breaking changes

[mild canopy]

i know. but i read them to late

[static schooner]

And I know there's a forum thread on exactly that

[mild canopy]

i stupidly clicked the update button.

i thought "it's fine, i'll just clean it up manually"

[glacial knot]

I run whisper on CPU on an ARM SBC^^

[mild canopy]

but, uuuhm... with what? there's nothing to replace it with 😱

[mild canopy]

i'll try my luck searching for it.

[static schooner]

I just did a google search. Here: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/using-the-new-action-events-in-zigbee2mqtt-2-0/821709/36

[mild canopy]

ok, the very first entry in this thread let me figure out how to use it now.

instead of checking entity sensor.p1_action i need to triger on device trigger action.

this should be easy to fix up my HA automations. RIP NodeRed flows tho.

hopefully i can figure out the HA device node in NodeRed before it gets completely dark 😅 🤣

[clear ferry]

Just drop node red

[mild canopy]

honestly, i'm strongly considering it.

i got roped into it by a friend who got me into HA in the first place. now with more experience, I think I might be able to replicate all my NR crap in regular HA automations.

[clear ferry]

You should

I still haven't found a single thing I've needed node red for in 7 years of HA

[mild canopy]

you're right. i'm doing it.

i'll start with on/off tonight and worry about brightness and color later.

one less thing to maintain.

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/go-do-it-yes-no-go-for-it-gif-17183104

[mild canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/delete-erased-goodbye-friendslist-ruthless-gif-5020925

I've got one (esp32C6) and I love it. but I have to wait for electrical measurement cluster to be implemented to fully use it in the project i bought it for.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/wolfenstein-choose-can-i-play-daddy-dont-hurt-me-bring-em-on-gif-10149121

[glacial knot]

I wouldn't mind some node based editor for automations and potentially templates though

[runic cape]

I want code-based automations and templates 😦

I only just realized a door sensor would not just be good for automations but also for tracking like what time you came home. in case you care

[mild canopy]

ok, i've hit a first snag...

the increase <device> brightness does not work like I expected.

it just increased it by 1.

the bulb has brightness_move with a positive or negative value. but i don't see that on the list when crating the automation.

i was using this extensively in NodeRed. i wonder how to access this functionality from normal HA automations?

[primal laurel]

that exists, AppDaemon for python and nodered for JS

[glacial knot]

Neither are Haskell though

[runic cape]

I thought Nodered was some kind of visual coding thing

[mild canopy]

it is.

[runic cape]

I meant like normal code. made of letters

and punctuation characters

[mild canopy]

the main selling point of nodered is it's visual and you can see what's happening with your automation and where it gets stuck if things don't work 😛

[glacial knot]

the traces in HA are ok~ish to see what's going on in the automation

[mild canopy]

the closes thing i know out of the box is YAML, pretty much whole HA rins on it, but I think it's not what you'd like, right?

[mild canopy]

sure, but they are not on the same screen 😛

NodeRed has it's pros and cons.

[glacial knot]

it shouldn't be too hard to do something like starlark instead of the yaml. or even a bijective conversion

[runic cape]

Yeah

I want automations to be like listener functions you register or something

this isn't happening any time soon I know

oh and same for templates

I don't have mobile internet

[mild canopy]

well. i'm stumped.

i have no access to half the functionality of my bulbs

[glacial knot]

I have the app and VPN, but still use the phone tracker via my AP for detecting if I'm home 😮

[mild canopy]

i might have ditched NodeRed a bit prematurely.

anyone have dimable bulbs?

[glacial knot]

colour/temperature/dimmable here. Various brands. All on zigbee

[runic cape]

I think that is kind of not the point. but I did look into that and found it too awkward

[mild canopy]

how do you control the dimmer on the human side?

buttons or dials or sliders?

[glacial knot]

Automations 🙂 I essentially just have a couple scenes set up

[mild canopy]

i was using hold functions of my buttons.

i can access the hold functions of my buttons, but I have no idea how to put the bulb in any of the dimmer states

in nodered i was sending a payload with {"brightness_move_onoff": 60} or {"brightness_move_onoff": -60} and {"brightness_move": 0} when i wanted to stop. but there's no such things in the standard automations creator.

my lighting is also adapting (was, currently)

it was adapting to my button presses 🤣

[tidal bronze]

Buttons?

C4, oh boy good old days

mmwave + comparative lux, why would you need buttons

TV/AVR/source would be a condition

[mild canopy]

i remember lights turning the TV off 🤣

[glacial knot]

yea, AVR source is a neat thing to base some automations around

doesn't have a fancy enough home cinema for that to matter :o

[mild canopy]

our first DVB-T tuner was so finicky that turning off the fluorescent lamp in the kitchen would reset the tuner's "lock" on the signal 😅

[glacial knot]

but you can easily do that with jellyfin

[tidal bronze]

I even use the shield source as a condition. Slideshow OR plex/netflix etc

[glacial knot]

Yes. But different priorities

[tidal bronze]

Got it. Same here. But I want to know what's the source.

[primal laurel]

but you can write JS in node-red...

those are your real letters

[runic cape]

You can?

[tidal bronze]

Something like.

[mild canopy]

yup 😄

[runic cape]

oh

That doesn't look like quite what I meant

[glacial knot]

Living sub

I'm sorried about the "living" in that name

[tidal bronze]

What's life without subs all over the place

[mild canopy]

obviously. it's an unholy matrimony of node flows and code 🤣

[tidal bronze]

They only worry about sub grade subs in the backyard 😆

[primal laurel]

it's just a block to put some JS code. You can write your whole automation in there

[tidal bronze]

One mentioned they can feel the down beats when in the pool. Oh well.

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-water-rumbling-gif-16883249

Blame it on the dinosaurs. Or earthquakes

[tidal bronze]

Luckily they all dig my kinda music. At least I like to think so.

[runic cape]

Maybe it would work, even if it's not exactly what I hoped for. but I'd hate to go into a new approach to doing everything when even from the onset I know I am fighting its vision

One of the reasons I want code is because I want to write reusable logic, and then reuse it

[tidal bronze]

Chill step and happy trance. Ecologically friendly

[primal laurel]

Well then put it in a function block, and reuse it

This thing has existed for like 10 years as far as I know

Probably more

[vague niche]

Hey, does anyone know why Github is hiding everything I post? About 3 weeks ago I posted something regarding a bug in dashboards and that comment is still not public.

I can only see it myself but when I'm logged in but when I'm logged out, I can't see it.

I just tried to create an issue for another project and again, everything's fine when I'm logged in but when I'm logged out, I get a 404 not found if I enter the link to my post.

It's driving me crazy...

[primal laurel]

You need to be logged in

That's a change GH made a year or so ago (longer?)

[vague niche]

The account is 3 weeks old

[ocean oar]

My favourite brand of LoRa sensors has a... well let's just call it what it is, the piss 'n shit sensor:
https://www.milesight.com/iot/product/lorawan-sensor/gs301
Ammonia + Hydrogen sulfide sensors, specifically for bathrooms 😄

[primal laurel]

That doesn't matter

[vague niche]

But why aren't my posts public? Do I have to change some settings?

[primal laurel]

You are logged out, that's the problem

[vague niche]

Why would it show other people's posts publicly but not mine?

[primal laurel]

Where is it?

[vague niche]

That's so weird...

My post from April 3rd:
https://github.com/home-assistant/frontend/issues/22301

And another one for a different project that I just made:
https://github.com/RPiList/specials/issues/1989

[vague niche]

Can you see my posts?

[primal laurel]

You are nickduino?

[vague niche]

Nope, Kampfknoedel-1337

Post is from April 3rd

[primal laurel]

Can't see anything. Normally if a comment is 'hidden' you can still read it by just opening it.

That second link is something else, they removed all the issues

[glacial knot]

What makes you think so?
I can see everything up to 1 below the id in the link

[vague niche]

I can see it when logged in, otherwise I get a 404

And I don't understand why -.-

[primal laurel]

They did something with that repo, all issues are closed

[glacial knot]

you can still deeplink to issues that are closed. There's definitely something weird if it doesn't show up

[glacial knot]

Can you see anything on your profile that looks weird?

[last cedar]

❤️

[vague niche]

Not at all, account is 3 weeks old.

[forest edge]

shield? time to upgrade old man.

[tidal bronze]

Nopes. Going to run then until wheels fall off.

[summer depot]

@ocean oar There is no way that I'm adding one of those to my system

[crisp oriole]

Review of "Yet Another Project to Save the World" by Bram Diederik from chatgpt
⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ (4/5)
Bram Diederik’s Yet Another Project to Save the World is an honest, raw, and deeply personal presentation that outlines a broad philosophical
and practical plan for societal change. Blending philosophy, personal experience, and tech-driven ideas,
Bram proposes using small, resilient local groups connected through open-source technologies to rebuild trust and tackle today's challenges.
His accessible "philosophy for everything" is simple yet profound.

going to make my youtube video now. NO, no AI stuff is used to made the presentation

[static schooner]

Some animal decided to chew through a bunch of landscape lighting wire and drip irrigation lines in the last few days.

I suspect that it's a rabbit that I've seen roaming around, but it's hard to say. Yard is fenced in, so probably nothing larger. Could have been a raccoon (usual suspect)

Fortunately, I have a flow meter on my irrigation system and it automatically shuts off if the flow exceeds the calibrated amount

[weak musk]

We have this issue with some of our irrigation lines, squirrels

[static schooner]

It happens periodically and I suspected my lawn guy and his string trimmer, but It's probably wildlife

[tender prism]

Yard bunny... Very tasty...

I have used live traps in my yard, but they didn't stay that way.

[swift prism]

so i decided to take some time to look at whats going on with my HA - i think it was just failing to work with http connections, so im upgrading it and if it doesnt work ill try a docker install

because of how HA/open home foundation is growing i kinda dont want to have to not use it-though i guess i can just switch devices to run it on

ok yeah so.. safari is broken 😆

[solar zealot]

@last cedar know anything about this?

[last cedar]

All I can say is that my disguise must be working

[static schooner]

No camera on that side of the house, unfortunately

[novel juniper]

I am currently trying to build a new prototype of my connected volume meter, bought two lora devices, and need to adapt the code from python to c++. I'll have a look at these devices as I see lora as a serious option to do this ^^

[last cedar]

Why do you think that a raccoon disguised as a rabbit would choose that side?

[clear ferry]

Hare today gone tomorrow ?

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-gif-20393133

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/b1QMb.gif

[quartz copper]

obligitary "fuck google"
After I just spend close to a thousand last year installing nest equipment 🥲

For all the people obsessed with lan devices that don't check in with servers, I apologise for thinking you were weirdos. I now see the light

[tawdry stirrup]

Is half of the Europe without electricity?

[quartz copper]

Huh?

[iron granite]

This half isn't without.

[tawdry stirrup]

Yeah here in the north we are safe.. but I heard that most of the Spain and Portugal, also part of the France is cut out

[deft pewter]

This half too

[quartz copper]

Here in the UK, we're fine?

[deft pewter]

News makes it sound like it's just Iberia that's out. That's not 'half of Europe'

[iron granite]

From what I read, it was a widespread but seconds short outage. The cause isn't fully known, yet. They suspect a power grid sync issue to be the cause.

[deft pewter]

lol... someone's already added it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_outages

[tawdry stirrup]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c9wpq8xrvd9t

[deft pewter]

So it's not even been an hour yet?

[tawdry stirrup]

I'd say more like half an hour 🙂

[iron granite]

Most of the time of the outage is likely due to the time needed to restart a power grid in a controlled manner.

[quartz copper]

Uk powercuts are super rare and when they happen they're at max 2-3 minutes.
We maybe get 1 powercut a year, if that.
We have a really good infrastructure here

[deft pewter]

They're also super localised. Like a street or two.

[tawdry stirrup]

Sun is shining in Finland, so currently I'm self-sufficient

[clear ferry]

what is this power cuts

laughs in free power

[weak musk]

I’m starting to think you’re a bot at least 50% of the time now 😂

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-cats-gif-14317670277085954258

[zealous fog]

What's the best location to discuss some Google home issues? I have a nest hub 2 that I cannot add to a speaker group within the home app. I know this is home assistant but just looking for some help

[summer depot]

When major infrastructure fails and it's been hours and you don't yet know why, you failed miserably

[zealous fog]

Relating to the power outage?

[glacial knot]

Are you able to run of solar when there's no grid power?

[summer depot]

In the EU evidently it's because the idiots who operate the grid don't know how it works

[tawdry stirrup]

I don't know!

[crisp oriole]

Most solar panels shutdown if the gird is down. You need a battery and a hybrid system

[rare plover]

Is there no beta for 2025.5? Did I miss something?

[static schooner]

Only that it always starts on Wed

[static schooner]

It has been kind of a lot already. I'm on the west coast dealing with issues on the east coast where it's already mid morning

[clear ferry]

Coasting around

[static schooner]

Like dude, at least let me make my coffee before blowing things up

[clear ferry]

Sorry, best I can do it make it even worse

[primal laurel]

Grid outages at this level are extremely rare, last time this happened was 2003. Could be some kind of attack

[summer depot]

I'd expect a system that complicated and that critical to be have elaborate extensive monitoring that could at the very least immediately identify the failure. Moreover, I'd expect it automatically isolate faults and reconfigure before a complete grid failure. The implications are that someone with knowledge of the grid system could sabotage it during start of a war or large scale terrorist attack completely neutering a response. If it was an attack them there's no question the grid operators failed. Attacks must be presumed as possible and all attack surfaces designed to self defend.

[solar zealot]

Well it somewhat did isolate the fault

That's how the rest of the EU is still enjoying the wall juices

Realistically those points of failures are public knowledge because it's cheaper not to resolve them.

[glacial knot]

or the cost would be on a party that doesn't have to deal with the fallout

[solar zealot]

"what spending money on infrastructure that's not broken??? what are they doing with my tax monies!!!11111" yea pretty much

Unfortunately we don't have a uscbs kinda yt channel to analyze such things all day long.

Probably one of the best things to find on accident

[static schooner]

precious fluids

[solar zealot]

[summer depot]

This is what vacuous gibberish looks like. Global warming did it.

[static schooner]

That is impenetrable gibberish

Sounds like something out of Star Trek

Maybe they can use the deflector shield? Reverse the ion flux?

[glacial knot]

did they ask ChatGPT?

[solar zealot]

they mean the lines were wobbling at frequencies that unsettled the magical french electrons at which point they went on strike

[static schooner]

Agitating for a 30 hour work week

[summer depot]

Work?

[static schooner]

Duty Free

[forest edge]

looks at QF

[glacial knot]

well yea, where else would he shop?

[tidal bronze]

Kinda makes TUMI sense

[primal laurel]

That's not how any of this works sorry

[glacial knot]

1k for a suitcase o.0

[summer depot]

Obviously

[clear ferry]

I remember seeing an ipad cover for €1000 on duty free

Ostrich skin

Like, wtf

[tidal bronze]

Whale is cheaper right?

[summer depot]

Politicians know that ONLY social spending get votes .. spending on infrastructure ... people think that's free and just expect it to always work. I guarantee with 100% certainty, there are documented warnings from engineers that this will happen someday, and what should be done to prevent it. Exactly none of those guys are surprised at all. But they'll be blamed for the failure by the politicians who ignred their warnings.

[primal laurel]

Maybe wait for a post mortem before pointing fingers

[summer depot]

I've seen this over and over throughout my life. Large scale infrastructure failure are always preventable but prevention costs and politics drives spending Q.E.D.

[forest edge]

should do away with currency

[summer depot]

If everything is free, we will have nothing

[primal laurel]

We treated a bunch of these failures in EE. It is always a combination of several things going wrong simultaneously

Preventable... Depends. With hindsight everything is preventable

[summer depot]

Hindsight isn't necessary ... the engineers tasked with keeping old crap running will tell you exactly the conditions to cause a failure, where it's likely to fail, and what the failure cascade will look like.

[forest edge]

you will have only what you need

[static schooner]

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs...

Has kind of a ring to it

[summer depot]

Who decides what I need? You? Who decide what you need? You? Communism has never worked and never will because humans are inherently greedy and self serving. It's a survival skill. Its why as physically frail species we've survived and dominated the planet

[summer depot]

Sounds good on paper ... never worked

[primal laurel]

in a system as complex as this the failure cascade has more possible combinations than there are atoms in the universe

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-average-gif-14312851

[forest edge]

someone never watched star trek

[summer depot]

And you have a proof of that conjecture?

[primal laurel]

that would require some math, but let's say you have 10 components and each can fail in a unique way leading to a blackout. That's 10! = 3628800 different ways already.

[forest edge]

you implying the same pole gets hit and broken every few years and is just simply rebuilt? that sounds sus

[primal laurel]

our grids are underground so we never have these issues lol

[forest edge]

thats not every few years

they actually did tests to see what the average speed a vehicle has to be at to even snap a wooden power pole.. think it was like 40-50mph lol

yea but something that keeps happening dosen't get simply rebuilt

they would have changed it after the second or 3rd time

yes, when I did community service when I was younger having to relocate one of those poles because of common issues was one of the jobs lol

[primal laurel]

for us everything except HV is under ground. So only those big distribution towers

[summer depot]

Less than 5% of the High Voltage grid (>200kV) is underground

[forest edge]

underground is not an option in many places as well

not going to go blasting through solid rock just to run cables

[summer depot]

Those big towers are the main arteries for power transmission. At Very High voltages underground transmission becomes very expensive and technically challenging

The EU Transmission grid (>220kV)

[mild canopy]

you guys have any experience with combining a light bulb with a switch to create single light entity?

[glacial knot]

What's the colours?

[mild canopy]

can't right now. need to replace the switch with a dimmer switch and smart bulb with dumb bulb 🤦

but until then I need to combine it so i can control it with the same widget button.

yea, but doesn't that limit me to one brightness per scene?

not gonna lie, never used groups nor scenes

[static schooner]

that's for #1284966582375813201

[mild canopy]

the switch is the button for the bulb.

it's kinda backwards.

i know i should have started with a dimmer on the wall XD

[mild canopy]

nah. i'll figure it out.

right now the switch isn't happy. i think i was messing arround with something to much to the point z2m starter throwing errors related to the switch 😅

the switch IS one of the controls 😛

i'm disapointed with the resin prints i did recently

i've borrowed anycubic resin printer from a frined and printed a bottle cap for my soda stream bottles...

the printed cap snapped instantly.

i did not expect the resin to be so brittle.

back to my prusa a guess 😅

[clear ferry]

Resin is great for miniatures and very detailed small stuff

But pla-cf go brrrrrr

[mild canopy]

don't have cf, but pla go brrrr as we speak 😏

i only hope the initial layers in the middle will be watertight

if not, i'll have to bump the extrusion multiplier a bit and try again

maybe play with the temps some.

ok, HAOS rebooted, back to figuring out the groups thing.

[solar zealot]

why not print proper petg for drinking things

gets the advantage off being much more stable to the real world

[mild canopy]

I'm not sure. I opened brand new, never used spool of PETG and it printer much more britle than this PLA for some reason.

[solar zealot]

sounds like its not dry enough but even then it should print fine if you dont mind the non glossy finish

it wont die within weeks when exposed to uv outdoors

[mild canopy]

i need a tutor but i don't know anyone who's printing among my friends other than the resin guy.

[solar zealot]

there is this great 3d printing discord which has a ton of 3d printing people and they know stuff somewhat well

[mild canopy]

it's possible it's not dry enough, but the bag was still "vacuum sealed" with a desican inside.

as in it was tightly wrapped on the spool before i cut it open and let the air in.

[solar zealot]

it should be alright then unless the seal somehow wasnt sealing

[mild canopy]

on the other hand, this PLA is awesome. it's one of the marble colored ones.

i print everything with it and the prints come out strong and tough.

[solar zealot]

pla looks great but its not really stable to warm or sunny environments unfortunately

the silk ones even less but those also arent as stable

[mild canopy]

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6491744

[solar zealot]

many cool things to print ^^

[mild canopy]

i printed this and the first iteration was a bit lose so i re-printed. the left over print was on my desk for weeks and every time i was fidgeting i was trying to break it. failed every time 😛

the original magnetic mount is a bit weak, the whole thing was falling of the wall if you slap it the wrong way.

couldn't find any decent one for the 2 button version do i designed one for myself.

[solar zealot]

@iron granite

fast hehe

[iron granite]

Wasn't me this time

[solar zealot]

[mild canopy]

hm... i think i need to visit #1284966582375813201 . when i group the things i get errors

[lone dagger]

It was Rob actually lol.

[static schooner]

Not all heroes wear capes. Or maybe I do? You'll never know

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-george-costanza-dad-jerry-stiller-gif-2810584400634953983

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-frog-kermit-laughing-gif-15641111

[mild canopy]

I already miss my NodeRed 😢

[solar zealot]

nodered

[mild canopy]

If I learn how to do everything I was doing in it, but using the built in functionality of HA, then I won't miss it. But until then, I feel like my hands are tied.

I completely do not fit into the definition of regular HA user. I do to much weird stuff.

[solar zealot]

i dont see you missing the poor implementation of message based programming flows any time soon over the template capable automations homeassistant offers

the ui just isnt yet optimal for visibility but its being worked on

[mild canopy]

What about talking to ZigBee stuff using functionality that's not implemented in HA?

[solar zealot]

depends on your link to zigbee

with z2m its just mqtt so yes

[mild canopy]

Now that I think about it, i might use the Z2M to send commands manually.

Not sure if i can create a button for that anywhere tho.

[solar zealot]

ofc you can

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-sorry-man-bryce-zatima-my-bad-bet-plus-gif-13530949439436124155

[lone dagger]

[crisp oriole]

@lone dagger the crazy chicks are hard to control.

[lone dagger]

Gotta start cooping them up.

[clear ferry]

[clear ferry]

[lone dagger]

I have no response to this that isn't bordering on political.

[clear ferry]

Like this ?

[solar zealot]

why latency so bad

[lone dagger]

....satellite?

[tidal bronze]

Wow! Such speed! All that to download all that content from Norway!

[static schooner]

the bits have to be thawed at the end

[clear ferry]

Polar bits go grrrrr

[tidal bronze]

Yep the 2 shows currently running.

[clear ferry]

Surprisingly list of big movies filmed in Norway, didn't know about a few of these

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_shot_in_Norway

Anything is cheaper than LA I guess

https://tenor.com/view/cab-fresh-prince-hollywood-gif-12508933

[crisp oriole]

I know plenty of movies with a short clip of amsterdam are made in a studio

[clear ferry]

Hampsterdam

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-ayasan-gif-24417561

[crisp oriole]

Hamsterdam is very close to duckstad. In the dutch donald duck.

[tidal bronze]

Yep Virtual Wall with Unreal engine. That's the goto now.

[forest edge]

hey no picking on norway till i am present

[tidal bronze]

Pick what?

[static schooner]

it's a year-round sport

[crisp oriole]

Pick a card

[tidal bronze]

Sir, you have to specify MMDDYYYY when it comes to Norway specific things.

[crisp oriole]

Mmddyyyy in norway?

[forest edge]

wut? they prefer DD/MM/YYYY

or sometimes they just base day off if they are offered orange soda in school

[tidal bronze]

What a Monday, HA VM stopped responding for the very 1st time. Sucks to delay the wine.

[forest edge]

old outdated hardware does that

your behind on your swapping out

[solar zealot]

have you considered turning it off and on again

for more helpful it tricks and daily update follow my linkedin

[tidal bronze]

New hardware old USB Stick LOL.

[static schooner]

That's the kind of advice I'd expect from somebody who already started on the wine. Or just a smartass. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference 🙂

[tidal bronze]

Scary to find out how helpless you get without HA. I need to document where the damn switches are.

[solar zealot]

why not both

[crisp oriole]

Im sure we can give wine support in this channel?

[tidal bronze]

All day

[solar zealot]

we need to watch out for qf, sometimes he confused sauce and shrimps for a drink

[forest edge]

send us the recorded clips of you freaking out please

[static schooner]

Plenty of whine to go around

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-startled-scared-frightened-shocked-gif-803500786301400064

[tidal bronze]

I honestly didn't know what to do.

[forest edge]

i believe it lol

[static schooner]

why lites no work?

[crisp oriole]

Next time freak out and make the damn video

[static schooner]

Such darkness

In my soul

[forest edge]

are you rambling?

[crisp oriole]

Need mental support rob?

[tidal bronze]

Nothing works. I have no clue what light switch does what. Eye opener for me. Fully automating is kinda scary

[forest edge]

let that be a good lesson for you

[tidal bronze]

Took me awhile to figure out my master bath lights 🙂

[crisp oriole]

@tidal bronze is not restorint a backup. So i guess The next . Release ha will have a fail over mechanics.

[tidal bronze]

I can fireup the VM in any cluster but ZW stick not so much. lol. Gotta move that to poe

[crisp oriole]

Zw ethernet stick?

[tidal bronze]

That's the plan

https://tubeszb.com/product/z-wave-poe-kit/

[forest edge]

tie to buy a hubitat

[crisp oriole]

No power in spain tonight. There will be a babyboom in 9 months

[clear ferry]

That was quite funny when I went to Barcelona in December

We had -15c and snowstorm at the time

So I was wearing shorts and tshirt

Meanwhile it was 19c in Barcelona and locals were wearing Canada goose and mittens

Some ladies of the night came up to me in three layers of insulation clothing and a woolen hat asking if I was lonely

[forest edge]

ladies of the night? lol

never quite heard them referred to as that before

[crisp oriole]

They are all inside in the netherlands. Unless you want low quality.

[ocean oar]

Apparently the dedicated LPR camera is pretty good too. Friend of mine showed me a picture from one of his sites, zoomed right in, middle of the night, perfect recognition at >30m

It's completely blind to anything else though (tuned for shining IR at highly reflective things, license plates here are retroreflective), so you need another camera if you want visible-light capture

[frozen fulcrum]

any ideas for an easy way for my partner to open and close the blinds via a device in the middle of the night w/o turning the phone screen on?

thinking..vibration sensor on window so we can knock..but afraid that if someone upstairs bangs the floor it will inadvertantly trigger.

[dawn badge]

a button of some sort

[deft pewter]

Why's no-one else thought of that? 😮

[frozen fulcrum]

i have two curtains, though.

[deft pewter]

Two buttons... 🤯

[frozen fulcrum]

in the middle of the night fumbling between two buttons or a remote with 4 buttons isn't ideal.

[deft pewter]

But knocking on the window is 😂

[frozen fulcrum]

[weak musk]

Button controlling both blinds?

[dawn badge]

could have 1 button but have different press modes. single press vs double press for example

[frozen fulcrum]

stuff like that never passes the wife approval factor. then you have to remember which cardinal direction hits which window with how many taps, etc.

and a button controlling both blinds introduces logic question, like what if one curtain is open and one is closed.

is there a zigbee mind reader yet?

[deft pewter]

No but we do have support channels.

[dawn badge]

you could go voice control too

[frozen fulcrum]

not ideal for bedtime in a shared space.

[dawn badge]

you need to narrow down exactly what functionality you need and what limitations you have then probably start a thread in #1284966353798697001 with recommendation tag

[regal schooner]

anyone install roller shades?

Seems like my shades take too much force to roll up

But also these big balls throughout the chain

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/balls-big-balls-acdc-iggydr-rock-gif-23132771

[dawn badge]

you could make a gearing system to get some mechanical advantage

[regal schooner]

I'm conflicted

Thought this was going to be easier

[red rock]

Ouch

Considered a system for in your blinds?

[regal schooner]

No not really

Already invested 100$ for two of these

Probably better to just yank it manually

[swift prism]

welp, sadly my pi just cant handle ha - or honestly, maybe python apps in general bc i notice some lag with glances too

[red rock]

Which one do you have

[swift prism]

4b with 2 gb ram

[red rock]

Probably too little yes

[silent dove]

@gritty linden Please do not cross post. Read the channel description, post it and wait for folks to respond. Crossposting wastes people's time as they're unaware of the help you're getting elsewhere.

[swift prism]

right now i remember why i wanted HA - bc it let me put apple tv in google home 😆

welp, all good

not like its really that important to control

[wise mesa]

anyone know where i can find the default homekit bridge yaml file?

[weak musk]

likely in #1284966582375813201

[rich nimbus]

What's everyone's plan once discord forces facial scanning?

[weak musk]

to not do it

[normal charm]

Did anyone else start to have issues with met.no today?

[iron granite]

No.

[deft pewter]

What's everyone's plan once <company> does <completely unlikely thing>?

Yep. I'm seeing all sorts of wild claims since the latest rumours of Discord going public.

People are dumb. Sooooo dumb.

[glacial knot]

Well, yea
Nobody in their right mind expected discord to be a permanent home
It's a company

[forest edge]

80% of the discord window will be pop up ads

we'll see chat through a sliver

[dark rose]

Maybe people will end up giving matrix a chance... biggest flaw imo is that they push (pushed? dunno, haven't looked at matrix for a few years now) for E2E so hard. E2E is cool and all, but frankly useless when the sole purpose of having the tool is leading public discussions about stuff. Add to that how their particular E2E implementation just gets in the way constantly and the average user is already done with the platform before they've written the first message

[deft pewter]

Maybe people will end up giving matrix a chance
People are. Those people who are tech-savvy enough to do so. Which is a tiny minority of the overall online community.

Even in here, where we all like to tinker with our smart homes, most people aren't actually that savvy.

[glacial knot]

Matrix is easier to set up than discord though

At least as user

[iron granite]

But how many people would really use another platform? It is like WhatsApp - many will keep using it, as long as the majority of their contacts do as well.

[forest edge]

Discord is weird. it was never advertise to host the shit that it does today

like this server.. support? in discord?

discord started off aiming soly for gaming

[low relic]

Good Day all. I am quite new to HA.. but I have a strange question.. I can get to the HA screen using my mobile browser on adnroid , but when I use Chrome I het "400: Bad Request" - have tried it in Opera and Edge too..

[glacial knot]

For me it depends on the larger communities
I have 0 ties to discord outside 2-3 communities to : 💩 post in

[primal laurel]

#1284965988642590891

[primal laurel]

Does this make you angry? @clear ferry

[solar zealot]

Every time I see something interesting and it's on some matrix solution I just close the tab and go somewhere else. It's worse enough that it wants me to have an account but it's terrible that it offers a million options on which clients to use

Remember web forums where you could just read the content without anything on your passing through. Guess that's too easy

[deft pewter]

As easy as clicking a single link to join a new server?

[solar zealot]

Even with signing up you just sign up to discord. No need to decide on which origin you are most likely to loose your account to

[desert cave]

oh hey, Bsky is down.. good thing it's distributed.. OH WAIT

[deft pewter]

Yeah, it turns out that this distributed malarkey is just overcomplicating stuff without providing tangible benefits.

[desert cave]

that's the joke.. all of Bsky is on one site :P

[deft pewter]

Oh. so it's just Twitter?

[desert cave]

litterally.. it was originally started as an engine replacement within Twitter

[deft pewter]

Ah

[desert cave]

they split off when the sale was happening. In theory, you can actually run your own instance and have things be federated, but it's not something you can run on a Pi

[deft pewter]

In theory, you can actually run your own instance and have things be federated
Yeah, I thought the big selling point was supposed to be the federation... but that's always going to fall down. There have already been issues with people getting cut off from the wider network with these federated platforms, right?

Like when they try to cut off rogue admins or toxic communities.

[desert cave]

there's a bit of that. It's not a huge deal, but there are some more popular instances on Fedi that have gotten themselves blacklisted, or their admins are overly agressive in blacklisting everyone else

[solar zealot]

sound whale moment hehe

[peak slate]

It took me way too long to figure out you couldn't set it up from the web, but you needed to from an app

Only place to create an account, the app, who does that?

[glacial knot]

You need an account these days ? :0

[silver pumice]

Did someone here automate a robotic lawn mower using HA? Curious to see how the automations are set up

[solar zealot]

If feet_on_lawn MOW_THEM()

super simple

[deft pewter]

Feet are now mowed. What next?

[robust flicker]

I have one of those. 🤣

[summer depot]

Power is mostly restored in Spain but they still don't know what happened. That almost guarantees it will happen again. How much refrigeranted or frozen food was lost. I'd avoid eating out for a while in case some restaurants decided to use food that was not keep at proper storage temperature

[primal laurel]

you don't know what you're talking about. Full post mortem of a more recent large failure took months https://eepublicdownloads.blob.core.windows.net/public-cdn-container/clean-documents/Publications/2024/entso-e_incident_report_240621_250225_02.pdf

[peak slate]

My fridge/freezer can hold things at a good temperature for over a day without power

Mostly I've only had power go out for a day or so before, so no longer tests

[summer depot]

Whst kind of fridge/freezer do you have ?

[peak slate]

Though my area hits over 100 for a good part of the year

It's still in an ac building that'll at least start at a cooler temperature inside

[peak slate]

LG with the dual doors and freezer drawers

Kinda middle of the road, not the cheapest but really not close to the most expensive

[summer depot]

Bzzzzzt not true. I had the compressor fail in a 2 year old high-end LG fail and in hours the freezer was soggy mess.

[peak slate]

I lost power for 12 hours due to a hurricane, it was fine

We had ice cubes with pennies on them and everything to make sure it was all frozen through

[primal laurel]

modern fridges will last considerably longer because they have much better insulation

that's also why they so little power consumption

[summer depot]

I now monitor my freezers and had short power outage of about an hour and watched the temperature climb. There is no way your freezer food was below safe temperature for 12 hours. The USDA says 4 hours

[peak slate]

Unless we have the exact same fridge or freezer, your data won't mean anything for my hardware

So that's nice, but cool I Guess, my freezer and chest freezer blow the USDA out of the water

That's pretty sweet

[summer depot]

I doubt there much difference. ALL appliances must now meet energy standards and insulation is the most effective way to do that

[deft pewter]

Post-mortem of something more recent than... yesterday?

Maybe my aging eyes deceive me but the report you linked to says it's months old.

[primal laurel]

that was my point

[deft pewter]

of a more recent large failure

There's nothing more recent than yesterday's. Yet.

[primal laurel]

it could be as simple as 'branch fell on line', but that doesn't explain what caused the blackout that followed

[summer depot]

The summary of that failure ... ALL preventable

[primal laurel]

that's not what I said

[summer depot]

Back to my earlier statement ... spending is driven by politics, not best practice . How often do you hear politicians promise more spending to maintain existing infrastructure? Only after major failures and after they blame someday else.

[deft pewter]

I'm literally quoting your words:

of a more recent large failure

[deft pewter]

We don't do politics here...

[primal laurel]

More recent, in the context of failures that have a post mortem

It's not a big list

[summer depot]

Failures do happen. That's why you design for them and montor for them. Cost? I wonder if anybody died or was seriously injured due this power collapse? How much sales revenue and VAT was lost? What is the cost of the food and other material like drugs that must be maintained at low temperatures?

[primal laurel]

You don't design for failures. You design for failure rate. It is impossible to avoid failure entirely, but you can use probabilistic calculations to ensure the chance of total failure like this is small. Clearly something happened that was unaccounted for

[summer depot]

Just about everything in life is politics at some level

[deft pewter]

Sure. So just about everything can stay out of here.

[summer depot]

My statements are apolitical as they don't advocate for or against any specific philosophy

Yes you do design for failure. Some designs are very simple., like fuses

[deft pewter]

It's funny how many people think systems design is easy... until they have to design a system.

[solar zealot]

Just MOAR electrons

[summer depot]

That's why engineers exist ... they do the mostly unappreciated hard work of keeping civilization operating. I'm sure a large amount of the grid infrastrure is old and hasn't been upgraded to keep pace with increased electrification . And, I'm sure engineers told the politicians it was needed but as I said previously infrastructure maintenance spending doesn't get votes .

[deft pewter]

There's not an unlimited amount of resources (time, money, talent) to throw at every issue. Nothing is perfect, nor will it ever be. Not sure why you're up in arms about it.

As they say: shit happens.

Yeah, that's dumb 🫠

[solar zealot]

You should have a look at <absolutely useless 163649 standard development> open source project for untapped resources ;P

That's enough ego to fuel probably four times as many countries as there are now

[clear ferry]

[primal laurel]

open source electricity grid, why didn't anybody think about this?

[summer depot]

Why? The most critical underpinning of modern civilization is electricity. You just saw what happens when it fails. Without a reliable constant supply of electricity, a lot of us will die. Electricity is no longer luxury, it's an absolute necessity. I'm sure somebody, an engineer, has done a simulation of what happens if electricity is down for various lengths of time. I'll bet it's not pretty.

[primal laurel]

the investment vs reliability curve is not linear. I am just talking about the NL situation, because that's my expertise. We have a reliability of about 99.995%, the average yearly uptime on any given location. Let's say you can get that to 100%. What does that require? Well, a whole lot more redundancy. Which is extremely expensive, while the gain is very little

that said, failures of this magnitude at the transport level are never supposed to happen. The fact that this morning everything was back up already says a lot about how well prepared they were, those investment paid off

[summer depot]

You just saw a 100% electrical failure for about 60 Million people, That is unacceptable Q.E.D.

[solar zealot]

It clearly is acceptable

[primal laurel]

great analysis, you should become an engineer too

[solar zealot]

It happend and reality didn't stop, no people of influence are being tortured. An inconvenience

[summer depot]

I'm guessing you weren't one of the 60 million

[solar zealot]

The lack of torches and pitchforks is a giveaway

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/re4-resident-evil4-fnaf-circus-gif-19925084

[summer depot]

The simulations have been done and the results so devasting that they are classified. If wide spread power failure persisted for one week people will begin looting killing each other. Beyond that, it becomes apocalyptic.

[robust flicker]

As someone in "Hurricane Alley" losing power for even an entire day is not the big deal you are making it out to be. A mostly full chest freezer will keep everything frozen for almost a full 24 hours.

[primal laurel]

a very interesting case happened recently which caused power to go out at my parents house. Maintenance workers activated an earthing switch, normal procedure. For reasons that would take too long to explain that caused a short circuit. Short circuits happen all the time, that's why you have breakers. However the breaker failed because of earlier maintenance work, which caused the overhanging cable to expand due to thermal stress, which caused an AC -> DC short circuit with the overhead line of the train below. Which then blew up the transformer station 😅

[robust flicker]

Yeah, after bad thunderstorms, which are basically a daily occurrence here, our area may have as many as 25k people without power. Just in my area. You just deal with it. It isn't fun, but it's not the apocalypse, either.
Just get a straw, AND SUCK IT THE F UP. 🤣

[summer depot]

Chest freezers are better than what most people have in their homes. You are prepared

[glacial knot]

There's a big difference of losing power for a day every month
And losing power for a day or two after not having such an event for years

[clear ferry]

I can thankfully count the number of hours roughly I've lost power the last 30 years

[solar zealot]

Kids these days just can't survive a day off their TikTok and ipads

[robust flicker]

My dad has a small 25year old gas powered generator, but it's only really big enough to keep their fridge running. We don't have one. We just make do. The worst part about losing power where I live is the fact that it usually is a summertime thing. And when it happens, it's followed by a severely hot humid few days. Whee still nothing to go burn down the neighborhood for...

[glacial knot]

Oi, I use YT shorts

[solar zealot]

[robust flicker]

I always hear this crap from the same generation that willingly plants themselves in front of a box of pretty pictures called a TV and sits there crosseyed and drooling for several hours a day. At least the ones on their phones are interacting with somethingz instead of just sitting there vegetating.

[solar zealot]

Doesn't make it less true

[deft pewter]

At least the ones on their phones are interacting with something
I don't think the ADHD swiping through an endless stream of 3-second clips counts as 'interaction'.

Smartphones are damaging. We're seeing people lose the ability to focus for long periods.

[primal laurel]

im glad we banned phones in class rooms so we can at least undo some of the damage tiktok and YT shorts have done

[solar zealot]

That would assume that schools still work adequately but well, it's something at least

[deft pewter]

The interesting part is that the bans have had no demonstrable effect. Banning them for just a few hours a day doesn't help when they can use them for the other 18-20 hours.

https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/news/2025/school-bans-alone-not-enough-to-tackle-negative-impacts-of-phone-and-social-media-use#:~:text=Students attending schools that ban,to tackle their negative impacts.

It's a generational thing, not a 'don't allow phones in school' thing.

[solar zealot]

They can't forbid generations in school tho :P

[summer depot]

One way to protect your frozen food is to use CO2 discharge to cool the freezer. That's what labs use to keep even their -70C freezers cold during a power failure if they don't have generators for 48 hours or longer depending on the size of the CO2 tank, Liquid N2 discharge can get even colder

[primal laurel]

what do you mean by generational thing?

[deft pewter]

That's a shame 😄

[deft pewter]

Which part is unclear? It's a problem that relates to a generation.

[primal laurel]

are you saying phone usage relates to a specific generation?

[deft pewter]

Phone usage? No. Phones have been commonplace in the home for almost a hundred years.

Exactly. Unlimited access to endless streams of nonsense, and all the ill effects of social media. And all in their formative years when their health (both physical and mental) needs particular care.

[static schooner]

Come here Watson, you need to see this new dance on TikTok...

[deft pewter]

At that age, I was out exploring the countryside on my bike with friends. Not TikToking.

(not that I turned out much better...)

[primal laurel]

people of all generations have access to that stuff now. It is not a generational problem

[peak slate]

Eh the kids I know are sending it down a mountain on double black diamonds

[primal laurel]

in fact the people around me have have phone consumption issues are all 50+ lol

[deft pewter]

Are you deliberately ignoring half of my post?

And all in their formative years

Teenagers are going through all kinds of physical and neurological changes. Fucking around with their minds and discouraging them from sports isn't clever.

[deft pewter]

Then you know some of the better ones. They still exist.

[noble tusk]

I was curious if anyone here has two locations they manage with Home Assistant. I have another property I'd like to control through Home Assistant for basic access control (remote gate opening), lighting automation, and similar tasks. I'm considering setting up a separate VLAN for all the IoT devices and linking them via a VPN to my main IoT network.

However, I'd also like to add users to the Home Assistant server who shouldn't have access to any of the devices.

Is this even possible with Home Assistant?

*Not looking for support on how, just wondering if this possible.

[solar zealot]

You can bike there

Once

[deft pewter]

Yeah, location matters. I grew up in a fairly small town with great access to lots of small villages/rivers/canals.

[primal laurel]

what is the problem you are referring to then? the addiction, or the consequences? Clearly the addiction is not limited to a single generation. I don't think the consquences are clear enough

[deft pewter]

Access control is limited and I haven't heard of any plans to change that. If it matters to you, HA probably isn't the tool you're after. For more detail... start a support thread.

[iron granite]

No. Users have access to devices. Just not to system settings.

[primal laurel]

does tiktok or YT shorts shorten your attention span to the point you can't sit in a classroom anymore?

[deft pewter]

The consequences are really fucking clear. Kids are performing worse than ever in school, and have higher rates of ADHD and depression. There are a ton of studies showing high correlation between phones and those things.

You've gotta really bury your head deep in the sand to pretend that's not an issue.

[iron granite]

There are thoughts about more granular permissions. But no promises or timeframe set.

[primal laurel]

I'm not aware of any study that can exclusively relate that to a particular generation.

[deft pewter]

I don't know what kind of logic happens (or doesn't) in your mind but smartphones affecting school performance can only be a recent thing. They didn't exist for older generations.

Hell, there will be folk in here that didn't even have a computer lab in their school.

[primal laurel]

you make vague statements, I ask for clarification, then you get mad. Hilarious

[deft pewter]

No-one's mad here.

[glacial knot]

The more interesting thing is whether they replaced something or lead to entirely new phenomena
Though social networks likely did the latter

[deft pewter]

What do you mean by replacing something?

[glacial knot]

This

[deft pewter]

Oh. You can see that clearly in restaurants. Families don't talk to each other over meals now because the kids have their iPads out instead.

[floral folio]

Random longshot. My local non-profit hacker space could use a new events calendar system. We have a bunch of volunteers that need to create events with RSVP support, and have some of the events get posted on an internal accessible page, while some of them should get exposed on our public website with pretty pictures and a map. Anyone know of a good open source tool that can do this at a minimum.

[robust flicker]

Of course. You can set up multiple servers, and access them remotely, and set up different users for each of them. But this is really a #1284966540617449515 question, tbh

[clear ferry]

Or just do mqtt sattelite servers per site

And one primary instance

Fookin danes

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/chevy-chase-no-math-i-it-was-my-understanding-gif-10804060

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-tyson-iron-mike-herman-cain-thats-methed-up-eye-glasses-gif-17636738

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/math-test-damn-well-random-school-gif-6838893101894428694

[static schooner]

nailed it

[tidal bronze]

ChatGPT got things to say now 🙂

[static schooner]

give computers the ability to have opinions and sarcasm is the immediate, expected result

[fathom sparrow]

I'd start using AI more if it was more sarcastic

[crisp oriole]

I used AI to make comparisons with my plan to save the world and lots of religions. Very handy so you dont read every religious book.

Laugh what you want i know religion is as real as fire burns

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/9YUR.gif

[crisp oriole]

Oke anyway i got a plan where it does not matter if you believe or not. (Well it does matter but not in what "we" see as reality)

[real oracle]

How can I make it so that information is saved forever?

[clear ferry]

just remember it

very well

next

[crisp oriole]

Write down in clay tablets.

[real oracle]

Good idea.

I will buy an audrino and set it up.

[clear ferry]

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/fsm-spaghetti-monster-gif-332960732349610778

[robust flicker]

ITS A COUPE, FFS! rages incoherently

Just because they stopped making the Accord coupe in 2017 doesn't mean they don't still exist! cries in coupe

I looked for weeks before finding one.. and I had to settle for the auto V6, because the manual v6 is crazy rare to be found for sale. Everyone who has one is keeping it!

[weak musk]

As cool as a pt cruiser 🫣

https://tenor.com/view/emmy-amy-poehler-peace-out-peace-sign-peace-gif-13956226

[robust flicker]

Mopar crap would be on the 3rd transmission by now...

[weak musk]

For the record, I love Honda

Just not that one haha

[robust flicker]

Everyone loves to hate the Accord...

[weak musk]

Hey now my first car was an accord with pop up headlights that my grandparents gave me. Thing was sweet.

[static schooner]

We had two Accords when I was in HS and college

[robust flicker]

The 6th gen was the best, but this 7th gen 2006 is comfortable, has 240hp, which ain't bad for its time.

[static schooner]

I thought my 85 Accord was awesome at the time

[robust flicker]

I'm sure it was. The 85 Honda I had was a FourTraxx 125. 🙂

[weak musk]

Ha mine was an 85 too

[weak musk]

99.9% sure we’ve talked about this at length haha

[static schooner]

Yes, but it bears repeating

[peak slate]

This is a 95 Honda, how dare you!

[robust flicker]

Excuse you?!

[peak slate]

I just couldn't help referencing a really dumb movie

Where a characters Honda gets hit by a golf ball off a roof and he yells that out at them

Oh I got the year wrong, dangit

Also surprised it was in giphy form

[tidal bronze]

Still is

[static schooner]

Well, the engine blew up, so perhaps an equivalent 85 Accord is still awesome

[tidal bronze]

@static schooner back in the day

[static schooner]

I think my 95 Accord was the first one I got with VTEC

[robust flicker]

Back then, everyone laughed at the "Honda bros" talking up VTEC. Now, every manufacturer has their own version of it.

Toyota and GM both call it VVT. Variable Valve Timing. Ford calls it VCT. Variable Cam(shaft) Timing, Subaru calls it AVCS.

Nissan: N-VTC

[teal elbow]

"This automation would look bad out of context"

[static schooner]

When I bought my 1995 Accord, the sales people were just calling it an emissions feature, not really perf

[robust flicker]

It is kinda both. So at idle and low power requirements, it only opens the valves so far. But when you exceed a certain RPM and speed, it switches lobes on the camshaft(s) to give you more power. This saving fuel, and having fewer emissions when just driving normally, while still having more power available.

It's basically the same thing as the old school muscle cars having a bigger camshaft... Without the drawbacks of having poor performance in regular driving. That "lope" that is so desirable? Yeah, that's the car struggling to stay running at an idle....

VTEC and all its clones, basically give you a bigger camshaft, but only when it can actually be useful, such as at higher RPMs and when more fuel is available for combustion.

A straight camshaft has problems at both extremes, either running rich at low power, and just throwing unburned gasoline out the exhaust, or running lean at the top end, which could cause engine knocking.

That's what Honda engineers were looking to mitigate when they came up with VTEC.

Sorry if I went too into the weeds, but I find the whole thing fascinating. 😂

[static schooner]

thanks for the background!

[near reef]

all of my automations enabled themselves after updating, interesting

https://tenor.com/view/think-emoji-thonk-meme-gif-11987870

definitely wasn't expecting an old alarm to fire like that

[near reef]

speaking of driving nobody understands this hand signal

swear to god you pull one of these there's a 10% chance someone randomly stops because they think you're hailing them

[static schooner]

wassup my guy

I've seen people use it when riding bikes

[trail raven]

I used hand signals riding a bike earlier today

[static schooner]

That one?

[scenic radish]

I just extend my arm right instead of that signal

[deft pewter]

[iron granite]

[clear ferry]

well that is the weirdest thing I've seen in a while

mounting a NFS share from one of my systems to the other

I can read inside one folder, but none of the others

so the share is fine, but the permissions are weird, all other directories just appear empty

[iron granite]

Contact the admin

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bKKYL.gif

[silent dove]

@clear ferry I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[clear ferry]

👎

[last cedar]

Owned by the bot haha

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

about time you posted a video of yourself

[stuck anchor]

nfs 3 or 4? with nfs 4 you suddenly get kerberos authentications and far better granularity on permissions. and that can bite in unexpected ways 😄

[solar zealot]

ftp is the real deal

[simple gazelle]

I do like a simple protocol, but both FTP Active and Passive are a bit 😒

[deft pewter]

NFS: Most Wanted is the best

[primal laurel]

Underground 2

[peak slate]

Then there's ftps and SFTP which are completely different protocols

[simple gazelle]

SFTP I am happy to manage, FTPS is the worst of all worlds

[scenic radish]

Anyone else using powerline ethernet adapters for anything? I absolutely hate that I am, but I guess I'm impressed that it's been working as well as it has. I wanted to put an AP in our garage for some cameras and an ESPHome garage door opener and it's been working great. Because of the layout (and because we rent), there's no way to run a proper wired backhaul and a wireless bridge also wouldn't work

We're on the second floor and the (detached) garage is, of course, on the first floor. Between the interior of our place and the garage is 3 block walls and a metal staircase lol

[iron granite]

I have been, but they severely impacted my VDSL connection.
I had to throttle the powerline speed to 100 MBit/s and still had frequent VDSL desyncs.