gooddict:
foo: {}
bar: {}
#the-water-cooler
deft pewter
lunar remnant
I've slightly lost track now, too many files. I shared the code that Frigate wouldn't allow...
primal laurel
Vscode should automatically correct that list for you
deft pewter
I've slightly lost track now, too many files. I shared the code that Frigate wou...
But your first screenshot was valid YAML that was invalid Frigate config, which is what I said in response to it 😅
All good
lunar remnant
Christ knows. All I know is I've had more problems with YAML in a week than I had with JSON in a decade 😂
primal laurel
Christ knows. All I know is I've had more problems with YAML in a week than I ha...
Let pre-commit validate everything. Sometimes i don't even write it correctly I just let pre-commit fix it 😂
lunar remnant
Wait until you want to program something that accepts country codes
😂
primal laurel
Now I'm doing something fun. C code generation from python straight into a microcontroller
lunar remnant
There was a SQL keyword that always used to catch me out, I forget what it was
It was something like group that some idiot had used as a column name for some important keys at my first job. Every 3rd time I'd write a query I'd have the error pop up. The SQL guys were used to it but I was only using it occasionally so I'd have long enough to forget every time
deft pewter
Silly to use reserved keywords as a column name but can't you get around that by just putting backticks aroudn table/column names in your statements?
select `select` from `from`
Yup, it wasn't insurmountable just annoying
It was something more obscure too, can't remember what the keyword was now
It wasn't something you'd automatically associate with SQL like SELECT/WHERE etc
forest edge
the frigate talk reminded me to update mine
wonder if there will be any noticeable improvements
lunar remnant
the frigate talk reminded me to update mine
Got any experience with go2rtc to repeat the RTSP streams? My cameras only support 2 streams and I'm using both for Frigate
There were apparently some nice UI changes recently? No idea if you've updated to those yet. I've never used the old UI so I can't comment on whether it's better
forest edge
you should be able to access the go2rtc page using the 1984 port
assuming you set up the cameras in the frigate config using the docs
lunar remnant
Nope, it's the baked in one
forest edge
assume you added the entry to the config correctly for go2rtc in frigate?
lunar remnant
I have this in my frigate.yaml file, that's my only reference to go2rtc anywhere in my config so I'm not sure if I'm missing something or misconfiguring
Added yes. Correctly... no idea
deft pewter
Looks like you have a duplicate key 😅
lunar remnant
That's just a separate file I've dumped it out into to remove the username and password 🙂
forest edge
yea don't do that lol
deft pewter
Mine just looks like this:
go2rtc:
streams:
front_left:
- rtsp://user:pass@192.168.0.247:554/h264Preview_01_main
front_right:
- rtsp://user:pass@192.168.0.99:554/h264Preview_01_main
back_left:
- rtsp://user:pass@192.168.0.61:554/h264Preview_01_main
back_right:
- rtsp://user:pass@192.168.0.56:554/h264Preview_01_main
haha I know enough to not copy anything dangerous, just not enough to know what the config should look like
forest edge
haha I know enough to not copy anything dangerous, just not enough to know what ...
check the docs lol https://docs.frigate.video/configuration/reference
deft pewter
Camera names have to match what you call them under cameras:
lunar remnant
Lemme give HA a full restart a sec and see if removing that listen stuff helps
deft pewter
Seriously... containers. Then you don't have to reboot your whole home automation system 😅
lunar remnant
Seriously... containers. Then you don't have to reboot your whole home automatio...
It's all containerised, I've just been tinkering enough that I like to get to a known state when testing something
Frigate addon is a Docker addon inside HA as far as I know? And my HA is in Proxmox
I did try Frigate as a separate LXC but didn't get on with it too well
deft pewter
Ah. I literally just go Debian + Docker Compose.
Anyway. It's midnight and I need to take the little'un out tomorrow while the weather is good. Best of luck sorting your Frigate
lunar remnant
Almost everything else I run is in Docker under unRAID, but I wanted HA on it's own NUC because I don't leave my server up 24/7
Thanks matey. Got our own little'un on the way in August 🙂
lunar remnant
check the docs lol https://docs.frigate.video/configuration/reference
Still stuck on this 😦
lunar remnant
Mine just looks like this:
```yaml
go2rtc:
streams:
front_left:
- rt...
go2rtc: streams: babacam: - rtsp://user:pass@192.168.1.61:2020/onvif/stream1 # Replace with your camera’s RTSP URL
Can't work out what I'm doing wrong
It'll be one of those annoying tiny issues that's so obvious once I see it
forest edge
it posted nothing else beyond what you linked?
lunar remnant
Last time no
this time...
I've changed the port, realised :2020 is the ONVIF port, 554 is the RTSP stream
forest edge
this the ha addon?
lunar remnant
lunar remnant
this the ha addon?
That's from the logs in Frigate, but yeah in the HA Addon
forest edge
I know there are some diffrences between that and just a normal docker container
lunar remnant
Putting FFmpeg: on the front of the stream URL as suggested elsewhere means I go back to just getting stuck on "Starting go2rtc healthcheck service..."
forest edge
yea I dunno. I never ran the addon but recall there being differences so no clue
lunar remnant
I'm thinking it might just be something about this camera
This kind of night reminds me why I love and hate tinkering with technology
It's so frustrating... but when I get it right it's all worth it
forest edge
shocked a mod hasn't broke out the stop sign and revert to support flashing indicator yet
lunar remnant
I don't know what that means 😂
forest edge
none of us do really
lunar remnant
I'm posting in the wrong place?
forest edge
yea technically the convo belongs in #1284965172053807145
infact you may wanna go look at it. others may have posted the same issue
lunar remnant
I posted in there about a different issue a day or two ago but it seemed pretty dead
Nothing matching about this one though
If I remove the rtsp: stream above and just try to make it use the internal stream I get this... still doesn't seem right 😂 running out of ideas now
forest edge
well when you use go2rtc you should be linking the cameras url to that then using the go2rtc link to frigate
lunar remnant
Yeah that was my planned next step once I got go2rtc to work in general
forest edge
well if it's erroring trying to fetch a bogus url then it won't work
lunar remnant
That wasn't a bogus URL, it was trying to use the stream from cameras but presumably it can't work that way round
forest edge
thats why it's bogus lol
lunar remnant
Gonna try to jump ahead and load the stream into go2rtc first then use the localhost link for the camera, see if that works
Just in case Frigate is using the RTSP streams and so go2rtc is finding nothing when it tries the correct URL
Oookay so... that works for the camera, while still throwing the "github.com blah blah EOF" warning and still not exposing anything on :1984, nor can I stream the re-streamed RTSP from VLC
So I'm totally lost, I can't even work out what's wrong
forest edge
the 1984 was cause I thought you were using the normal docker container. the addon may not even give you that ability. no idea
lunar remnant
Not a clue. I'll look into whether I can do some port forwarding shenanegans
It looks like the Frigate addon is getting an actual IP address on my network though. My understanding is it's a Docker container on HA OS, so presumably it's using a bridge
go2rtc says it's getting an IP from the supervisor, and I see that IP on my router
The fact I can see the camera inside the HA web portal suggests it's at least somewhat working internally, though
Christ knows, I give up for tonight anyway. I might try an LXC again tomorrow or maybe install it via Debian + Docker or something - I've got the config and MQTT now so I can presumably just start the instance up elsewhere and see if I get a different result
Thanks for the help
silk galleon
Only took me 2 days but I finally got PTZ, and 2 way audio working fully locally on my tapo c210 (all outbound traffic from the c210)
late urchin
quick question for anyone familiar with reolink cams. Does the homehub provide anything a self hosted frigate setup doesn't? do all the same features work? i'm assuming the homehub is basically just a NAS?
forest edge
quick question for anyone familiar with reolink cams. Does the homehub provide a...
a little more than that. it gives many of the battery cameras the ability to 24/7 record as well as external access links like rtsp
late urchin
🤔 so the battery cams don't 24/7 record with frigate then?
late urchin
and frigate requires an rtsp to setup the cam no?
forest edge
on thier site
late urchin
or i guess that also depends onw hat the camera can output
forest edge
and frigate requires an rtsp to setup the cam no?
it requires some type of accessible url. there are others besides just rtsp
late urchin
good info, thanks!
fringe dagger
Try and get lost in the couch now stupid remote
orchid rose
insider trading
hoary canyon
lol
mighty rose
primal laurel
https://youtu.be/6fyNejKsxPM?si=78tBTq07irt0O_n1
I like it. It's a good showcase of how simple an EV is
quiet tulip
I spotted a great price on a mini PC for anyone looking. It's a lot of overkill for a base HA host, but at $150 you can easily put Plex on there as well, and alll of the add-ons.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C3XDVV55?ref_=pfb_spv01_351f40a5566ef49e9e6169c1d7cb84ea&tag=undefined&th=1
I got one of these without the $20 discount right at the beginning of the year and it's really simple. Boot Linux from USB stick with the HAOS image on another USB stick, then just use the image writer to blast HAOS onto the onboard NVME. Reboot and off to the races.
You cannot add storage, unless you go external, but with 512GB it's good for a lot.
solar zealot
That's a regular ish price for such devices
If you go with slightly larger form factors like offered by beelink and copy products or whichever branding you tend to also get an additional 2.5" bay for more storage
May be more interesting for Plex as content usually is quite large
stuck fossil
Hey everyone, sometimes my wife leaves the stove or oven on accidentally (memory/health issues). I’m looking for a solution that would allow me to get alerts or status using home assistant. I tried looking for an oven probe with 433mhz since I already have a receiver for that but didn't find much. I thought about a PI with customer vision, but I don't think I have a good enough spot to mount that.
solar zealot
Depending on the oven you can simply hook up a power meter or tap into the hood/window sensor or your an air quality sensor
General modern ish ones have enough circuitry to tap into as they have a ton of control safeties
#1284966353798697001 probably could help pick a sensor/meter or #the-workshop for other diy solutions
forest edge
replace the dedicated breaker for the oven to a smart one. not only can you monitor it's usage but also auto cut power
hexed spade
got to make you wonder why https://github.com/home-assistant/frontend/issues/24502#issuecomment-2705765357 not even a helping hand for such an acclaimed piece of HA software.
even though stricktly speaking it might be correct. so unhelpful.
dawn badge
even though stricktly speaking it might be correct. so unhelpful.
issues need to be cleared quickly otherwise there would be insane amounts. HA-frontend is not the right place for the interface of an addon
nocturne orchid
is there a way to start and stop charging of my tesla without using the Fleet API?
hexed spade
issues need to be cleared quickly otherwise there would be insane amounts. HA-fr...
Yeah because this is not in the Frontend …. Come on.
primal laurel
Yeah because this is not in the Frontend …. Come on.
It's not in the HA frontend...
hexed spade
Well, it is…. But this is all besides the point I am trying to make.
primal laurel
Well, it is…. But this is all besides the point I am trying to make.
Which is what?
hexed spade
That there could have been a more helpful reply/reponse. Not one that gives the impression of couldn’t be bothered
primal laurel
That there could have been a more helpful reply/reponse. Not one that gives the ...
He said exactly what you need to do. Open the issue in the esphome repository. What else could he have said
quaint hawk
Well that explains why it isn’t working anymore https://github.com/home-assistant/core/commit/0ffbe076beb9c9a0016cb9e6423fdcfce4440e43#diff-9fff6ac280901e864dc9eb37fc715660e22e02451c0db64454fa0bbceadd7b1c
crisp oriole
1st hot day in the netherlands and i smell a bbq
forest edge
wildfire you say
solar zealot
The bbq season starts Jan first
blissful zodiac
My cat is scared of the Roomba.
blissful zodiac
I wish Roomba natively supported HA though.
dawn badge
My cat is scared of the Roomba.
you must teach it to trust it and then ride on it whilst you take videos
solar zealot
red rock
@clear ferry why does your name keep popping up on people with issues with smartthings 😂
solar zealot
If I were a cat id be scared too
iron granite
dawn badge
the switchbot modular rebot could make these extremely easy to make
forest edge
the smart home solvers wifi has to be so damn congested lol
solar zealot
the switchbot modular rebot could make these extremely easy to make
Don't you dare people with a fun time
clear ferry
<@457673488225009676> why does your name keep popping up on people with issues w...
Wait, what
wet rampart
clear ferry
I rewrote smartthings
Wait what
blissful zodiac
I rewrote smartthings
Well, I must congratulate you.
Now my Microwave works amazingly with it.
wet rampart
This whole Smartthings kerfuffle was just the kick in the pants I needed to migrate the rest of my devices to HA. I am off that platform forever. Thanks Samsung!
blissful zodiac
_it works_
I can actually see when it's done cooking my food.
clear ferry
red rock
I can actually see when it's done cooking my food.
wait why is it displayed like that
forest edge
food spying device 3000?
blissful zodiac
food spying device 3000?
It's a smart microwave
blissful zodiac
wait why is it displayed like that
Which one?
dawn badge
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/undocumented-backdoor-found-in-bl...
this is definetly concerning
red rock
no
I forgot it
lol
also why is your temperature -17
do you leave it in the fridge
blissful zodiac
also why is your temperature -17
No idea. If it's been awhile from cooking, it displays that.
Even before the Smartthings redo
red rock
always -17?
blissful zodiac
Yup.
red rock
Can you open an issue, enable debug logs, trigger that and provide it
Like, I see that we are all used to SmartThings being meh and that it doesnt work most of the time
but I am now looking at this like
blissful zodiac
Sure. Give me a min.
red rock
clear ferry
Smortfongs
red rock
Like I am interested to see if we can improve that and see if an oven temperature goes to a default value that is the same for everyone, we just go to unknown
primal laurel
I can actually see when it's done cooking my food.
can you please try to see if it responds to this
blissful zodiac
Like I am interested to see if we can improve that and see if an oven temperatur...
It takes quite a bit before it starts saying -17.
wet rampart
I'd like to disable the beeper on my microwave and have it just ping my phone when it's done. I hate the beeper.
red rock
I'd like to disable the beeper on my microwave and have it just ping my phone wh...
is it smartthings?
wet rampart
nah, dumb device
red rock
use a smart powersocket
wet rampart
Yeah gotta figure out how to turn the beeper off
wet rampart
AWWWWW YEAHHHHHHH!!
last cedar
AWWWWW YEAHHHHHHH!!
Instructions unclear, no 1 and 3 button, machine exploded and keeps beeping ar 143dB
Sooooooo
(Satire)
Now that the ESP bluetooth chip has a vulnerability that requires access to the chip... are we expecting hackers to make location detection via esp to become amazing overnight? 🤣
You could be lead straight to then
torpid oasis
Now that the ESP bluetooth chip has a vulnerability that requires access to the ...
ESP find my
dawn badge
if you could make one exploit another and spread. you could probably have it propergate throughout neighbourhoods taking control of devices
then use ble to track stuff with them
torpid oasis
if you could make one exploit another and spread. you could probably have it pro...
Corona but for eps
sounds fun
last cedar
And what happened with using lights for presence detection? I need to search for more info
worn gorge
hey guys
last cedar
if you could make one exploit another and spread. you could probably have it pro...
Need a patient zero and turn into a botnet!
torpid oasis
then use ble to track stuff with them
you can honestly track people with them
by their phone
last cedar
Imagine if they had legs, and ran around infecting each other
worn gorge
Anybody here got the hue dimmer remote running with ZHA to run scenes?
dawn badge
you can honestly track people with them
yeah definetly
blissful zodiac
AWWWWW YEAHHHHHHH!!
For mine, I have to use the app.
dawn badge
Need a patient zero and turn into a botnet!
they could all vpn into peoples networks too
torpid oasis
yeah definetly
luckily theres almost 0 eps within a 30 mile radius of me
blissful zodiac
@red rock Have you heard of the demonstration effect?
My microwave is doing it right now.
torpid oasis
except for mine ofc
red rock
<@80252278073724928> Have you heard of the demonstration effect?
My microwave is...
hehehe nice
dawn badge
luckily theres almost 0 eps within a 30 mile radius of me
bluetooth is actually does fairly well over distances just being amplified and large receiver on 1 side.
30 miles would be hard but people have got it stable at a little over 500m with reasnably portable hardware
torpid oasis
bluetooth is actually does fairly well over distances just being amplified and l...
oh for sure, i mean if i lived on the edge of my village the perfect conditions exist to target someone
dawn badge
if people put it on a car then driveby hyjacking is defnetly possible
torpid oasis
flat lands all around
blissful zodiac
Yeah, yeah, I know.
blissful zodiac
I think something is low. I can't put my finger on it though.
forest edge
flat lands all around
thats a lot of farmland
torpid oasis
thats just a bit of it
forest edge
oh ok
torpid oasis
idk the word in english
forest edge
that makes sense
forest edge
that map just showed exactly where you live. dunno if you realize that or not lol
torpid oasis
that map just showed exactly where you live. dunno if you realize that or not lo...
i do
come i welcome anyone
dawn badge
still probably not the best to self dox in any case
torpid oasis
nah its actually fine
whos to say i live there?
:P
but if yall come i hope you enjoy alchohol
forest edge
I miss when my city was that small
torpid oasis
Which means internet outages are semi-common.
i would say the same but my internet has been quite stable
~100mbps is quite good for the middle of nowhere
forest edge
~100mbps is quite good for the middle of nowhere
torpid oasis
And now it's back to the -17.
where the hell is that microwave lmfao
blissful zodiac
where the hell is that microwave lmfao
Above the gas stove
torpid oasis
and its -17 there?
blissful zodiac
Apparently
torpid oasis
yea sounds about right
blissful zodiac
My kitchen's a Walk in fridge
wet rampart
https://tenor.com/view/teletubbies-po-tickle-teletubby-pbs-kids-gif-16050734
honestly what i need rn
last cedar
I won't judge
We all have needs
Clean the nozzle first though
You don't know where it has been
wet rampart
*You don't know where it has been*
🤮
wet rampart
https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/s/AId7NgxYoe
😍
clear ferry
Which means internet outages are semi-common.
I remember internet outages, had one in 2012
clear ferry
~100mbps is quite good for the middle of nowhere
What is this, internet in 2007?
wet rampart
I remember internet outages, had one in 2012
My Comcrap goes out all the time.😡
clear ferry
Oh yes, the lovely American ISP monopolies
Paying your competition to not come into an area
Brrrrrr
blissful zodiac
Wish I could compact this down so it's easier to setup.
wet rampart
Yeah and I live in an old neighborhood so no fiber. They are literally my only option. When it's working I get 1.5gig down tho
clear ferry
Thankfully I haven't had docsis since 1999
blissful zodiac
I only get T-Mobile Home Internet.
wet rampart
I only get T-Mobile Home Internet.
Oof
blissful zodiac
And you can't even control the new modems from the browser.
You HAVE to use their dumb app.
clear ferry
5g broadband can deliver up to 500/500 though
wet rampart
I'd trade my 1.5gig down for synchronous 1gig fiber
clear ferry
I haven't had a non symmetric link since 2004
vapid tusk
I haven't had a non symmetric link since 2004
how
clear ferry
Ftth go brrrrr
vapid tusk
ah
clear ferry
Started out with 10/10 in 2004
vapid tusk
Started out with 10/10 in 2004
I wish I lived anywhere with ftth or the potential of getting it in the next decade 😭
clear ferry
Fun fact, Norway stopped fixing copper links in 2017, and tell you to order ftth instead
And now we are pulling all copper out of the ground
vapid tusk
In rural michigan we still use satellite because companies haven't even put down lines in lots of places
wet rampart
Well AT&T own all the lines in my area and they are putting in fiber to new neighborhoods but not old ones.
clear ferry
Satelitte, wtf, I haven't even discussed that since a friend of mine went with his missionary parents to Africa in the late 90s
vapid tusk
Satelitte, wtf, I haven't even discussed that since a friend of mine went with h...
yeahhhhh it's bad
wet rampart
yeahhhhh it's bad
Starlink is gonna solve all that 🙄
vapid tusk
Well AT&T own all the lines in my area and they are putting in fiber to new neig...
My area has a local provider that iirc subcontracts via verizon, afaik not that uncommon for the more rural areas
clear ferry
Starlink is gonna solve all that 🙄
It does look practical for warzones, where you agree with the part needing it
vapid tusk
Starlink is gonna solve all that 🙄
I mean how is starlink bandwidth
primal laurel
In rural michigan we still use satellite because companies haven't even put down...
Because you have surrendered to your corporate overlords in the name of 'freedom'
vapid tusk
I imagine latency is just as horrible
wet rampart
It's supposed to be pretty good actually
vapid tusk
Because you have surrendered to your corporate overlords in the name of 'freedom...
Go off king
vapid tusk
It's supposed to be pretty good actually
huh. Might be worth trying out at some point
wet rampart
Starlink offers download speeds ranging from 25 to 220 Mbps, with most users experiencing speeds over 100 Mbps, and upload speeds typically between 5 and 20 Mbps. Latency is generally low, ranging from 25 to 60 ms on land, but can be higher in remote areas
vapid tusk
lol so 'latency unspecified' basically
clear ferry
```Starlink offers download speeds ranging from 25 to 220 Mbps, with most users ...
Yeah that is 20+ years behind, but better than nothing
vapid tusk
Bout on par with best-case what we have in the area
clear ferry
Condolences
vapid tusk
it is what it is, could always move like a mile to an actually populated road and be on a line
clear ferry
I'm still waiting for 10g/10g to be available in my area, had it available in my old house from 2021, but new house has max 1g/1g
vapid tusk
Because you have surrendered to your corporate overlords in the name of 'freedom...
also to be fair it is kinda a chonk country like I'm not particularly surprised
if we did actually tile the entire US how much of the world's copper would we drain
or ig silicon whatever for fiber lines? idk what they're made of
primal laurel
you dont need copper, just fiber
ocean oar
Just glass. Bunch of melted sand
clear ferry
Yes
primal laurel
ok its a little more complicated than that
clear ferry
Multiplexing go brrrr
vapid tusk
ok its a little more complicated than that
I mean my point was more either way even material costs are non trivial
primal laurel
but even now if you have coax at home ISPs are using fiber to connect nodes
vapid tusk
even for a gov
primal laurel
I mean my point was more either way even material costs are non trivial
you are the richest country on earth stop making excuses for companies. There are none, other than 'muh profits are less'
primal laurel
if companies are rolling out fiber in a state they should be forced to also connect the less dense areas. That's how it works here
vapid tusk
you are the richest country on earth stop making excuses for companies. There ar...
if it were copper that'd mean us just claiming 4% of the total world copper reserves
Now we could
primal laurel
it's not copper
primal laurel
you have big fuckin money
drifting plinth
Hi, I am new here and I am asking, is there something that can make this old heater / water boiler smart?
I want to have a motor or servo controlling the right big knob which can be set to 3 different modes. 0 off 1 only hot water 2 hot water and room heating via Thermostate.
In summer I have it set to 1 but only 30 min before I need hot water and after that I turn it back off, else my gas bill goes up like crazy. I want to automate that. I have a 3d printer on hand and know how to model stuff but idk anything about electronics. Is there a product that lets me achieve this or do I need to learn how an Arduino with a servo is controlled and connected with HA?
vapid tusk
you have *big fuckin money*
And (not to pick on norway but i'm picking on norway) is less than 4% the land area of the us
if you want to make every problem a "throw money at it" problem sure
primal laurel
And (not to pick on norway but i'm picking on norway) is less than _4% the land ...
that doesn't matter
it's about density
vapid tusk
And?
My area's population density is tiny and that's exactly why i'm here
with that in mind, the lack of ISP infra is no surprise
the nearest village had a population of 300 10 years ago and it's been dropping since, and they have physical lines anyway
dawn badge
Hi, I am new here and I am asking, is there something that can make this old hea...
you should ask over on the esphome discord, they can probably help you if your looking to build something
static schooner
Hi, I am new here and I am asking, is there something that can make this old hea...
more of a #the-workshop question
dawn badge
more of a <#1286093250482016328> question
or this 🙂
drifting plinth
more of a <#1286093250482016328> question
Thanks, postet it there
clear ferry
But that's the thing, things scale, if you can do it in small scale you can do the same thing in larger scale, especially when it comes to basic infrastructure
vapid tusk
I feel like people got the impression that the less dense areas aren't connected when all I'm saying is they didn't lay a line to every single farmhouse in between and I never expected them too
To be clear I am in one of those farmhouses
clear ferry
What they do here is ask the rural areas, and if more than 50% want it they build it
primal laurel
I feel like people got the impression that the less dense areas aren't connected...
they could. There's just no profits in that
vapid tusk
They could, but you yourself said it was a problem of density and we don't have it
in the villages, which all actually have lines, ye
out in the boonies no
vapid tusk
ofc comes with the advantage that I can link a bunch of outdoor and indoor speakers and blare them all simultaneously without disturbing the neighbors, because there are none
I want to see if I can get a diy toslink setup up to connect them
clear ferry
Apparently even 28% of all cabins in Norway have FTTH
I had to look up some statistics
40% of Norwegian cabins have 100Mbit or more
We even have statistics of how many households have access to 1000Mbit or more
vapid tusk
this is 2023, and 25mbps download/3mbps upload
clear ferry
Last one is ftth 1000Mbit
primal laurel
out in the boonies no
why not?
hushed harbor
that is awesome
primal laurel
so? we have farm area with the same density here. Doesn't mean they don't get to have fiber
weak musk
And there are states where 3 miles is the very low end of how close your neighbors are
vapid tusk
so? we have farm area with the same density here. Doesn't mean they don't get to...
I'm not arguing against public infra investment here man
idk what you want from me lmao
primal laurel
I assume you have water an electricity though...
vapid tusk
from a well
not from a public water system
electricity is from public lines tho yes
weak musk
Is it true that ISPs are pursuing profits over coverage? Yes definitely. Is it also true that it’s a very different problem (even if the ISPs did more) in the US than in other parts of the world? Also yes.
vapid tusk
^^
primal laurel
Is it true that ISPs are pursuing profits over coverage? Yes definitely. Is it a...
yes, no
stop thinking your size is so unique
vapid tusk
When russia gets coverage throughout its entirety we can talk
weak musk
Stefan what country are you in?
vapid tusk
and like I said, its not about size but about density
which again
I pointed out multiple times we don't have in my area
weak musk
We are both huge and not dense
though I’m starting to think if you moved to the US the density would go way up
primal laurel
wow so funny
the most dense people on this server all happen to be american
want to join that group?
idiots
weak musk
None of us are
vapid tusk
but to say that it's the same problem is just not true
primal laurel
stop thinking you're unique
primal laurel
stop thinking you're the only country with low density
vapid tusk
Like everyone else I can shell out 50K$ for a line to my house if I want
primal laurel
we have plenty of those and they can still get fiber
vapid tusk
Ok so the point of contention is us gov spending on internet infra? Then we're already in agreement, great
perfect
primal laurel
no. You can force the companies who build fiber to expand coverage to less dense areas
vapid tusk
yes
we're agreeing
lol
at no point did I say "rah rah I support paying ISPs for unfulfilled promises, freedom reeeE" so I'm glad we're both on the same page
primal laurel
whatever
primal laurel
my tolerance for americans and their attitudes in general has dropped off a cliff, sorry
vapid tusk
?????
We both agree that american setup for ISP management is stupid and incoherent
what are you arguing for
I'm not "defending the american way"
weak musk
my tolerance for americans and their attitudes in general has dropped off a clif...
so has mine- for about 50% of them anyway.
vapid tusk
I'm saying that it's present in what I have to deal with
primal laurel
iron granite
vapid tusk
clear ferry
lol dude you’re being the sonoma in this situation
Is Sonoma now a verb like "to google"
ocean oar
A verb; "to sonoma"
An adjective; "sonomaesque"
etc
weak musk
Is Sonoma now a verb like "to google"
if I have my way, absolutely
ocean oar
Don't let your dreams be dreams, or something
vapid tusk
is it sonomaing or sonoming
clear ferry
if I have my way, absolutely
Webster wants a word
weak musk
😆
iron granite
A verb; "to sonoma"
An adjective; "sonomaesque"
etc
Not stopping to sonoma: insonomnia?
clear ferry
As long as it isn't sounding I'm happy
weak musk
oh. oh no.
clear ferry
iron granite
weak musk
#donotgooglethat
vapid tusk
#googlethat
clear ferry
vapid tusk
the worst lmgtfy link you can receive
iron granite
clear ferry
clear ferry
That should have been obvious from the start
vapid tusk
I mean it was but reassurance is always good
vapid tusk
the eternal scream organ
iron granite
Nice! An IKEA server. SÖRVÖR
ocean oar
Assuming from the god-awful noise that's got the high flow counter-rotating fan set?
solar zealot
does the real sound have that nice hum to it like in the video?
that is quite exquisit
lunar remnant
If you couldn't use the fans on it to power an Airbus A330, is it really a server?
ocean oar
Holy shit why has no-one done that. A 2U 19" 3d printed harmonica that you attach to the back of the server
solar zealot
probably because people are generally sane
ocean oar
Have you met people?
vapid tusk
ye but luckily we have those that aren't
where's the one dude
the dude who made the furby piano
solar zealot
Have you *met* people?
i try not to
vapid tusk
the dude who made the furby piano
like that guy either is or was raised secretly by demons
ocean oar
the dude who made the furby piano
Excuse me, the what‽
solar zealot
yea the synth guy
ocean oar
Ok, zero surprises it's look mum no computer
iron granite
I prefer toothbrushes.
https://youtu.be/9Zd9hURkmXM
vapid tusk
there's also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oym7B7YidKs
iron granite
Or Imperial March on an epilator.
weak musk
Also, thought y'all might enjoy the fans of this server I brought home
I always imagine people who have these at home just walking around wearing earplugs all the time
clear ferry
Assuming from the god-awful noise that's got the high flow counter-rotating fan ...
This is the high performance kit with 320w CPUs if memory serves right
clear ferry
play for all the neigbors
Didn't need to, it was in a closed garage and I could hear it from 25m from the house
ocean oar
I remember back about 20 years ago one of my then roommates bought for a dollar on our local ebay-analog a Compaq 7000.
Four P2-era Xeons, in a FOURTEEN rack unit chassis.
You could hear it anywhere in the house when it was turned on
clear ferry
Is this better?
vapid tusk
Is this better?
their singing is raw
clear ferry
I remember back about 20 years ago one of my then roommates bought for a dollar ...
I loved my Compaq 8000 with 8x p3 xeons
solar zealot
atx why dont they have the super expensive shiny face plates
ocean oar
I loved my Compaq 8000 with 8x p3 xeons
It's nice that HPE still keep around spec sheets for things that have been obsolete for nearly 30 years 🙂
https://www.hpe.com/psnow/doc/c04282156
solar zealot
isnt that like the rgb of servers
clear ferry
It's nice that HPE still keep around spec sheets for things that have been obsol...
Yeah we don't remove history
clear ferry
atx why dont they have the super expensive shiny face plates
Yuck, face plates
solar zealot
send servers having those my way if you dont want em 
iron granite
atx why dont they have the super expensive shiny face plates
Shiny face plates are so unnorwegian.
solar zealot
did i hear SHINY
ocean oar
The last couple of big orders of servers we've made at work I got faceplates. They aren't necessary, but they're basically free, and Dell's hexagon bezels line up so nicely when you pack a rack full of them.
solar zealot
they in fact are necessary
ocean oar
I also now have a box with like 500 of their barrel lock keys, was thinking about casting them into a block of resin to be a paperweight
solar zealot
makes them go faster
iron granite
makes them go faster
That's RGB, not the face plates.
clear ferry
It's like people who buy ubiquiti switches should never be allowed anything business critical
Ohhhh shiny RGB ethernet ports
solar zealot
well thats mostly a ubiquiti issue not a rgb ethernet port issue
ocean oar
Yeah, but it's indicative of the things Ubiquiti prioritises over fixing the actual issues with their hardware's somewhat lackluster standards compliance
solar zealot
i am positive if mikrotik would have done it you could specify it to display tcp data as color on them
wet rampart
My PC sits in a rack in the storage room. It's quite practically free of RGB.
solar zealot
i always forget you guys are old
back then servers surely had those fancy status indicator lights
and tape reels or something
clear ferry
Just wait till you see my old hub with collision RGB indicator
ocean oar
These were certainly popular for a hot minute
Can't remember which other brands had them, but certainly HP & IBM
iron granite
Looks angry
solar zealot
i was more thinking about those kinda ones
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Connection_Machine_CM-5_(FROSTBERG_card_cage_at_NMC.agr.jpg
clear ferry
These were certainly popular for a hot minute
I was always envious of the IBM light path, that let you identify the failed dimm slot even with no power on the server
iron granite
solar zealot
i was more thinking about those kinda ones
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...
what i would give for a pc case like that
ocean oar
We had some older Oracle ZFS systems at work which have memory risers, so they have a series of supercaps to help find which of the 8 risers / 96 DIMMs is the fault; one button inside the server lights up an LED next to the riser, then each riser has its own supercap and button to light up the slot once you have it out.
clear ferry
Love it
ocean oar
Power source just for the error light
ruby mauve
Hm. Any of you know of a list of Whisper supported cards?
Got a P400 & P4000 laying about, was wondering if they're still.. capable.
solar zealot
whisper works on a pi, any gpu will work
you may run into limitations with memory first
dawn badge
I run whisper on a 1650 super and it works pretty well although limited by vram
ruby mauve
whisper works on a pi, any gpu will work
Hm. How about running it on a CPU? Atm it's got a Ryzen 5600, but once I upgrade the PC here it'll end up on a 5900X. System has 64GB of RAM atm.
The P400 has 2GB, P4000 has 8GB (equal to about a 1070).
solar zealot
will it work? probably
will it be better than on a pi? certainly
will it be great? probably not
ruby mauve
It just has to turn on the lights, and the fans... and close the curtains. And it just has to not be google..
solar zealot
the p4000 should be fine, the p400 is probably a bit too little for running the larger models
its not about what actions you want it to trigger but about the processing to turn human noises into text characters
ruby mauve
Just, really wanting to get away from the google assistants.
Yeah, that's fair.
Hm. It being a Quadro I might be able to share it with both Plex, the Windows VM, and HA. Hm. Might be worth it. Will have to see how much it adds to the wattage of the system. Currently it's running at ~40W idle.
solar zealot
likely nothing at all
ruby mauve
That'd be optimal, aye. It's got some ancient AMD graphics in it currently, just for a display output, should the system crash - it runs headless. Not sure about the idle power consumption of the Nvidia cards.
Might try it out one of the days. Why not.
Suppose it beats having the cards just laying on a shelf.
solar zealot
its usually less than 10w with most non gaming cards
stuck anchor
back when i was a student we had some hypercube servers that had led's on the front that showed the data flows. but they were locked away in a server room, so it didn't have any practical purpose 😄
ruby mauve
If everything fails, I do have a 1080Ti on the display shelf behind me.. Could throw the air cooler back on it. I suppose. 😅
solar zealot
you gotta load the drivers tho else it feels a bit shaky
ruby mauve
Thanks for the help though!
I'll.. do some experimentation. Would be nice to hw transcoding for Plex, I suppose. +/- having to pay for it.
atomic delta
Well that ain't good.
https://www.tarlogic.com/news/backdoor-esp32-chip-infect-ot-devices/
atomic delta
Good to know
vapid tusk
I mean the CVE and the talk PDF seem to mention sending packets and writing memory
my spanish isn't good enough to understand if they say they're limited to causing MAC address changes or actually sending interesting packets
steady sand
Man, I'm so impressed with HA as an open source project.
vapid tusk
my spanish isn't good enough to understand if they say they're limited to causin...
ah ye they seem to be just saying that they can "control bluetooth traffic", I think, which while bad isn't exactly fatal, I think it means at worst you can spam them over bluetooth
steady sand
Man, I'm so impressed with HA as an open source project.
Sorry for unrelated interruption just wanted to drop some praise. 👏🏻
dawn badge
Man, I'm so impressed with HA as an open source project.
welcome to the party 🙂
ruby mauve
Well that ain't good.
https://www.tarlogic.com/news/backdoor-esp32-chip-infect-o...
Guess this makes my idea of blocking internet access to my WeMos'ses an even better idea.
keen bridge
Guess this makes my idea of blocking internet access to my WeMos'ses an even bet...
Except that this is click bait. Read the link I posted right underneath that 😉
ruby mauve
In either case, they're still being firewalled. :D
... and on the IoT VLAN, with all the rest of the stuff I don't trust 😅
forest edge
lol did another american come into this discord and get the euro treatment?
poor person. i feel for them
static schooner
We call it Getting Norwayed
dawn badge
has there been a parady song "i want it nor-way" yet?
ruby mauve
We call it *Getting Norwayed*
lunar remnant
Google Calender is insanely stupid
If I create an unverified app for Home Assistant and link it, the app automatically gets FULL (create, read, update, delete) access to the calendars, including being able to delete all data
If I then try to use that app for readonly access via the SAME API... it won't let me because the app doesn't have permission
If I then try to give the app access to the readonly API to view calendars... it won't let me without verifying
So an unverified app can view, edit, and delete your calendars, but if you want to make the app only have access to view the, you have to verify the app
Work that logic out
pseudo edge
does anyone have a quick way of modifying the unit of a sensor from MQTT? My weather station reports wind in mi/h which was apparently removed in this latest update lol
static schooner
That is an #1284966582375813201
pseudo edge
oh good, a forum where no one will reply 😂
solar zealot
thousands of messages a day, surely no one will
forest edge
heh just now got to read a chunk of that shit. too funny
weak musk
oh good, a forum where no one will reply 😂
There, I just called your bluff.
pseudo edge
lmao
blissful zodiac
Oh dear
solar zealot
Expensive
analog crow
well power system can be cheap depending on what failed, that safety/security though...
forest edge
blissful zodiac
well power system can be cheap depending on what failed, that safety/security th...
Brakes seem to have failed
It randomly became stiff while driving, but I was still able to stop the vehicle.
lunar remnant
Where's the best place to ask about Home Assistant OS? Like the OS as a VM, not a Docker container
I'm using the VM created by this:
https://community-scripts.github.io/ProxmoxVE/scripts?id=haos-vm
blissful zodiac
Where's the best place to ask about Home Assistant OS? Like the OS as a VM, not ...
#find-support would be best.
dawn badge
Where's the best place to ask about Home Assistant OS? Like the OS as a VM, not ...
#1284966540617449515 probably
lunar remnant
<#1284966540617449515> probably
It's not really an installation issue, although I guess it could kinda be considered one (I need to work out how to open Frigate/Go2RTC's ports)
dawn badge
It's not really an installation issue, although I guess it could kinda be consid...
#1284966582375813201 then 😛
well maybe #1284965172053807145 actually 😛
lol
figrate be an addon 😛
lunar remnant
Not really an issue with the integration or addon either though, they both work fine - it's just that the OS isn't opening the port and passing it to Frigate
dawn badge
integrations and addons are being merged soon anyway 😛
static schooner
That is the addon
lunar remnant
Frigate is working fine, go2rtc is working fine internally, HASS can interact with Frigate via MQTT etc... everything internally is working no problem, I just can't access the rtsp restream
static schooner
So.. #1284965172053807145
lunar remnant
Seems like a weird place to put it when the problem seems to be HA OS though?
Surely the addon doesn't get to decice whether the OS forwards the ports?
dawn badge
addons are docker containers. either way please start a thread in addons
lunar remnant
addons are docker containers. either way please start a thread in addons
I know, but it doesn't seem to be the docker container that is causing the problem? That's my point, it seems to be the HA OS itself
lunar remnant
If you're sure, I guess
forest edge
Frigate is working fine, go2rtc is working fine internally, HASS can interact wi...
you are probably just using the wrong url
static schooner
It was the addon config, or so we presume because they deleted the post after getting the answer
The OS has nothing to do with it
forest edge
always something simple lol
blissful zodiac
*No, it's clearly not okay*
It's a Ford, we call it a minor inconvenience.
sage cedar
Cut a hole in the floor and Freddy Flintstone your way into stops, just sayin'.
static schooner
Then you can save on gas, too
sage cedar
Right? Win win.
forest edge
is that an Escape?
blissful zodiac
is that an Escape?
Fusion
forest edge
oh even worse lol
blissful zodiac
Still weird that this is the process to setup a Roomba with HA.
Anyone thought of getting native support?
Because how it does it right now doesn't tell you what room it's in or what issue has occurred.
forest edge
contact roomba and complain about it
unborn merlin
well power system can be cheap depending on what failed, that safety/security th...
slap a tesla logo on it and call it fine. /s
red rock
Still weird that this is the process to setup a Roomba with HA.
Anyone thought o...
Someone was working on that ages ago but he is now doing other things in life
blissful zodiac
slap a tesla logo on it and call it fine. /s
Too bad that it's a Ford.
An actual conversation I've had.
"I've got this issue."
"Is it a Ford?"
"Yeah, how'd you know?"
"There's your issue."
desert cave
Unfortunate wording on the first line item
That is in fact correct usage of the word, and a pretty common spot to use it
deft pewter
The only place people don't like it used is with people 😅
desert cave
look, you don't want to hurt the camshaft's feelings
clear ferry
look, you don't want to hurt the camshaft's feelings
Step camshaft I'm stuck
TIL pornhub is Canadian, apparently Canada wants to cut off US access 
tough atlas
Which channel do I post a question regarding displaying the value of a PHP script in HA?
clear ferry
I've been stuck in a 50h a week project now for 6 months
red rock
this is genuinely how I think you wrote that integration
clear ferry
I'll log into GitHub and do some merges tomorrow
red rock
I mean no pressure from my side
red rock
I thought you would never ask
red rock
No but people like the easy way out and I want to have them collaborate on understanding how smartthings work
clear ferry
I don't even have that heat pump anymore, but I can keep it alive
red rock
But yea, it will break eventually
so I am not sure how much your integration does with SmartThings
but ideally people start helping out with making it work in SmartThings
clear ferry
It shouldn't do anything with the smartthing servers
It talks to the pump locally
Afaik
red rock
I remember opening your codebase once, and it did support a ton
so maybe it differs per device
red rock
😂
clear ferry
That said, I'm working on becoming more DevOps because of my job areas currently
So I'll probably be very active in our internal GitHub, and maybe then the public one too
red rock
werent you just Ops before?
clear ferry
werent you just Ops before?
I'm a potato, I do all of our hardware products the last 25 years, and all integrations, all versions of Unix / linux, windows, azure, aws, vmware
But more and more AI stuff recently
Which is highly DevOps driven
red rock
MLOps
clear ferry
Aye
Currently I'm designing a SD networking framework together with Nvidia, great fun
red rock
sounds like fun indeed
raw flax
Just found out that my 5€ multi smartplugs and 3€ RGBW bulbs also have Bluetooth and not just WiFi 👀
And they are cheap tuya devices.. I love finding that kind of stuff out. Like there are some door sensors from some brands that also report temperature without any mention of it on the box or in the official app.
unborn merlin
TIL pornhub is Canadian, apparently Canada wants to cut off US access <:kongkek:...
hilarious.
normal mist
Anyone using a thread border router that's working well for them? Currently using a Google nest hub and, frankly it sucks.
crisp oriole
Oh my tuya switches showed up with my smartthings integration. Anoying kids.
glacial knot
TIL pornhub is Canadian, apparently Canada wants to cut off US access <:kongkek:...
I thought it's Austrian o.0
forest edge
TIL pornhub is Canadian, apparently Canada wants to cut off US access <:kongkek:...
Good. It's obviously having a negative impact on our younger generations
went to the grocery store yesterday which has a deli and it's own inhouse restaurant and tried to order a club sandwich and the kid told me they didn't have the meats required to make it while standing no more than 40 feet from a fully stocked deli
deft pewter
who would've thunk that businesses can have different departments with separate inventories and budgets.
forest edge
lol this isn't the early 1900's
solar zealot
This is still very much the case, there is no such thing as just repurposing inventory
forest edge
never worked a job that couldn't do some type of internal billing to track inventory. Hell imagine body shops unable to get parts from the parts department lol
deft pewter
Even when you can 'borrow' from another department, you often have to fill out requisition forms and stuff. So often management just won't bother because it's too much effort to keep the books straight.
solar zealot
They very much can and your revenue of half a buck isn't going to make anyone stretch their time
forest edge
so what are these retail type places you all have that don't allow that?
deft pewter
My favourite part of this is Sonoma's shitty take that it's the young'uns to blame... when it'll be a manager with his advanced years that made the decision not to bother with the paperwork.
forest edge
well you just made this fun for me knowing how much it bothers you lol
clear ferry
Delis are so rare here the stores that have them are considered speciality stores, and they definitely don't use the same meat inside the deli that is sold on the shop floor
solar zealot
Don't blame sono all he wants is a picture of a god damn club sandwich
deft pewter
Bothers me? It humours me.
glacial knot
Even when you can 'borrow' from another department, you often have to fill out r...
Or you'd need someone with buying permissions, not the poor person acting as waiter
deft pewter
Gives me a little boost to my morale too, knowing other people are so incredibly dense.
clear ferry
Bothers me? It humours me.
solar zealot
atx shush we know you buy the store and just have them make it
clear ferry
solar zealot
weak musk
That is in fact correct usage of the word, and a pretty common spot to use it
Yes, I’m aware.
weak musk
He deleted my other post
iron granite
Did you hold for options?
primal laurel
that's a lot of notifications
clear ferry
Yes, it told me "this can be related to you not sharing a server or the user not accepting direct messages"
clear ferry
that's a lot of notifications
Let's not talk about my 146000 unread emails in the work inbox
weak musk
It’s like people that have the unread email message badge enabled on their phone. Just turn the badge off if you don’t care
weak musk
Let's not talk about my 146000 unread emails in the work inbox
Yeah this scenario
clear ferry
I'm not even exaggerating
glacial knot
nah, I have a clean inbox
red rock
glacial knot
with some good filters that automatically remove most things 😂
clear ferry
This guy gets it
glacial knot
3 Amongus servers 😮
forest edge
Gives me a little boost to my morale too, knowing other people are so incredibly...
that's the typical young'uns mindset. assume you know the right answer even when you you have no knowledge of the specific topic. Even if you were right, that would make for bad business practice.
clear ferry
weak musk
This makes me twitch
weak musk
So does this
forest edge
wtf, dial back the spam
primal laurel
I hope you have groups
forest edge
prove it, open it without there being a single penis enlargement ad
clear ferry
Not that many subfolders no
primal laurel
why you ignoring my dm's huh? jk
red rock
Oh man I lately only read spam email
torpid oasis
I can easily have 150 emails in a single day
bros famous
forest edge
thats ludicrous
iron granite
You don't get any spam mails, if you set up a rule to delete all incoming mails.
torpid oasis
You don't get any spam mails, if you set up a rule to delete all incoming mails.
you dont get any spam mails if you dont have an email :)
forest edge
funny that atx would have a good reason to use ai
primal laurel
I know a guy who manages like 300 repositories on github, has 3 companies and is a tutor at MIT. And he STILL replies to me lol
clear ferry
And yet I'm the one smart enough to not use ai for email
forest edge
I dunno, if it could condense that shit to make it managable i'd use it
torpid oasis
I know a guy who manages like 300 repositories on github, has 3 companies and is...
that guy must be high on smt
i manage a distro and i still cant get to everyone
clear ferry
I dunno, if it could condense that shit to make it managable i'd use it
And that is why AI should be blocked in enterprise IT
Because idiot users are idiots
forest edge
you obviously can't keep up with 150 emails a day or that image wouldn't show 14k unread ones
clear ferry
Brb just let me upload all our internal documentation to public ai
primal laurel
that guy must be high on smt
I thought so too. But he's also on youtube, podcasts etc. I dont get how you can fit so much stuff into a week
forest edge
Brb just let me upload all our internal documentation to public ai
what if it was local?
clear ferry
what if it was local?
Sure, but users don't know what local ai is
forest edge
wasn't really talking about just anyone.. this is more about just you and your obviously drowning issues lol
primal laurel
you can let MS copilot defer to local domains. Shouldn't be that hard to setup
weak musk
you can let MS copilot defer to local domains. Shouldn't be that hard to setup
That’s what my org is in the process of doing
clear ferry
you can let MS copilot defer to local domains. Shouldn't be that hard to setup
You can, however do you trust Karen in accounting to understand the difference between that copilot and a random ai in a web browser?
clear ferry
"yeah, I'm working from home today, we do this in the office, so it should be fine"
Okelidokeli
Yeah, I'm glad I'm never gonna manage users again, because fuck companies are gonna have so much data loss the next few years
primal laurel
You can, however do you trust Karen in accounting to understand the difference b...
copilot is part of the MS suit of programs every windows has isntalled. So as long as you tell them 'use the app on your own pc' it should work. Ofcourse you can block all the other domains
clear ferry
That said, shit in, shit out, so if tesla feeds their internal docs to public ai anyone who copies them will fall apart too
That would be hilarious
"tell me how to build a car"
desert cave
as a long time tesla owner, this is accurate. I've found soo many problems with my car, lol
clear ferry
I remember reading one post on Reddit recently where a user ended their question with "not even chatgpt could answer it" as if that was the epitome of knowledge
desert cave
would not recommend
primal laurel
"how do I prevent my CEO from alienating my customers"
forest edge
which model?
primal laurel
oh damn politics again
desert cave
oh right! not allowed to talk about teslas lmao
clear ferry
as a long time tesla owner, this is accurate. I've found soo many problems with ...
I've had a ton of colleagues with them, one had to replace engine 4 times, the other one didn't have the Tesla pass it's first MOT after 4 years
My daughter's best friends dad had to replace the heat pump in his Tesla Model 3 every year so far, like clockwork in December
forest edge
you guys keep saying tesla but lets be real.. just say ev
weak musk
Nah
desert cave
nah, the rest of the EVs are fine for the most part
forest edge
every ev i've ever seen has had some type of issue lol
weak musk
There are definitely EVs without panel gaps or rust issues
desert cave
and in general, faster and more fun to drive
forest edge
There are definitely EVs without panel gaps or rust issues
that trade for other issues..
desert cave
My daughter's best friends dad had to replace the heat pump in his Tesla Model 3...
mine is pre-heatpump (it's a first run model 3) but not surprised
forest edge
you cannot say ev don't have issues.. not anymore.. the cat is out of the bag
desert cave
no more than regular cars
forest edge
no more than regular cars
true.. bells and whistles
primal laurel
every car has issues. It's about frequency and repairability
clear ferry
There are lots of great EVs, Tesla is not in that category
forest edge
they are still 1st or 2nd best selling tho
desert cave
the car I had previous to the M3 was a 2012 ford fiesta.. I had to replace the transmission every 20k miles
weak musk
Tesla was great for normalizing them.
clear ferry
The Chevrolet Bolt is also a laugh
weak musk
Other companies can focus on making them better
forest edge
maybe thats why they are in the spot light for all this hate.. they just sell so many
desert cave
(it was the "double clutch" transmission they came out with that had all sorts of issues)
clear ferry
(it was the "double clutch" transmission they came out with that had all sorts o...
I've had double clutch on German cars from 00-16 models, never had issues
desert cave
maybe thats why they are in the spot light for all this hate.. they just sell so...
nah, BYD is outselling them by a lot currently, lmao
forest edge
The Chevrolet Bolt is also a laugh
please tell me you got stuck driving one
clear ferry
please tell me you got stuck driving one
Thankfully not, they stopped selling them here
desert cave
I've had double clutch on German cars from 00-16 models, never had issues
yeah this was definitely a ford issue, not a double clutch issue, haha
forest edge
nah, BYD is outselling them by a lot currently, lmao
I think that was a recent change but holy hell.. they like make 2-3x more regardless of how many the sell lol
clear ferry
BYD is great, Xpeng is a short step up from Tesla, hongqi is great, Volvo is definitely in the lead
forest edge
i would be weary of BYD
desert cave
I was considering rebadging my tesla as a BYD because lol
weak musk
BYD is great, Xpeng is a short step up from Tesla, hongqi is great, Volvo is def...
Is your Volvo an ev? I can’t remember.
clear ferry
I looked at the BYD tang, but ended up with the volvo instead
clear ferry
Is your Volvo an ev? I can’t remember.
No ,mine is a hybrid
desert cave
there is a volvo EV and I've heard good things about it
weak musk
Ah got it. I was curious about the range with the temps you see
clear ferry
I'm looking at a Polestar 2 now though, as a second car
clear ferry
Ah got it. I was curious about the range with the temps you see
That varies a lot from different companies, some drop 40% in winter, most are 10-20%
clear ferry
there is a volvo EV and I've heard good things about it
They are all EV now, they don't make non EV anymore
forest edge
That varies a lot from different companies, some drop 40% in winter, most are 10...
so to the end of the driveway and back?
clear ferry
You'd be lucky if the Tesla got out of the driveway yes
desert cave
did you know that the front control arms in teslas are plastic? :D
clear ferry
I'm not surprised
desert cave
I ended up replacing mine with chinese aftermarket steel ones
weak musk
did you know that the front control arms in teslas are plastic? :D
Seriously?! That’s one way to avoid rust I guess.
dawn badge
the bluelink api for Kia/Hyundai cars is dreadful and if you want to connect the car to HA then its a reason to avoid it in favour of something better
glacial knot
there is a volvo EV and I've heard good things about it
My dad got the EX30 quite recently
it's neat. But nothing special
forest edge
did you know that the front control arms in teslas are plastic? :D
carbon fiber aren't they?
clear ferry
Seriously?! That’s one way to avoid rust I guess.
Not that that helps, my colleagues Tesla that didn't pass it's first MOT failed because the entire rear carriage had rusted through
clear ferry
My dad got the EX30 quite recently
it's neat. But nothing special
It's fine, but yes, very cheap
desert cave
I still want an aptera
primal laurel
I'm looking at a Polestar 2 now though, as a second car
I drove that when my dad still worked at volvo. Super nice
clear ferry
Which is why I'm getting a Polestar over the ex30
glacial knot
price isn't cheap though 
clear ferry
price isn't cheap though <:probsDerp:424685439698468873>
It is here, fully stocked for around €30k
weak musk
I’d feel much better about putting my dog in an ex30 than one of the more premium models
Last I checked it started at 40/45k in the US
Yeah 46k usd starting
forest edge
good seeing so many guinea pigs buying these ev's so the rest of us can follow along
desert cave
I mean I was the guinea pig for buying in 2017.. at this point you're just late to the party :P
clear ferry
I’d feel much better about putting my dog in an ex30 than one of the more premiu...
I've looked at the EX90, but I don't like the design
clear ferry
I mean I was the guinea pig for buying in 2017.. at this point you're just late ...
Even 2017 is late
forest edge
I had entertained the idea of the ev truck but the more I come in here the more I know ICE is the way to go lol
weak musk
I've looked at the EX90, but I don't like the design
Yeah it’s got similar chonk to the rivian suv
desert cave
at this point, there's multiple countries that >70% of all new car purchases are EV
weak musk
I had entertained the idea of the ev truck but the more I come in here the more ...
The ford lightning is pretty sweet for an ev truck
forest edge
size of country plays a part in that i'm sure
desert cave
China is about the same land mass as the US
weak musk
The average American travels less than 40mi a day
forest edge
The ford lightning is pretty sweet for an ev truck
i need a hauler.. was leaning more toward the chevy silverado
primal laurel
still some work to do on battery technlogy. Should be way more LFP
weak musk
An ev is fine unless you’re doing a big trip
forest edge
China is about the same land mass as the US
china is kind of the exception to the rule lol.. even their mopeds are electric lol
desert cave
still some work to do on battery technlogy. Should be way more LFP
Tesla was the last NMC holdout for a while.. everything is LFP now.. has been for a few years now
weak musk
(Big = cross country)
desert cave
(Big = cross country)
I did a 10,000 mile road trip this time last year in my EV with zero issues
primal laurel
Tesla was the last NMC holdout for a while.. everything is LFP now.. has been fo...
not in market share in EU. LFP is only a few percent last time I checked
clear ferry
The average American travels less than 40mi a day
We are apparently at 20mi per day average, which was more than I expected
desert cave
the argument that you can't do long trips in one is just false, lol
weak musk
I did a 10,000 mile road trip this time last year in my EV with zero issues
I’ve done Colorado to Maine in 26 hours 5 times. That wouldn’t be practical in an EV.
desert cave
I’ve done Colorado to Maine in 26 hours 5 times. That wouldn’t be practical in a...
why not?
weak musk
A leisurely trip sure. Ev is fine
forest edge
while we technically have the chargers in route having to plot towards the next is annoying
desert cave
and when was that?
glacial knot
We are apparently at 20mi per day average, which was more than I expected
My leasing says 10Mm/a and that's roughly what I use
desert cave
and are we talking charging to 100% every stop or actually being smart about it? :P (and by smart, I mean letting ABRP calculate it for you)
primal laurel
I’ve done Colorado to Maine in 26 hours 5 times. That wouldn’t be practical in a...
at that distance wouldn't it be cheaper to just fly
desert cave
it's probably cheaper, but where's the fun in that
weak musk
at that distance wouldn't it be cheaper to just fly
1000000% yes. We brought our dog though because of the amount of time we’d be away in each case.
desert cave
(also unless I'm crossing an ocean or something, I'd rather drive than climb into a metal can with a bunch of sick people)
weak musk
1000000% yes. We brought our dog though because of the amount of time we’d be aw...
Cheaper in actual money and time
primal laurel
(also unless I'm crossing an ocean or something, I'd rather drive than climb int...
I hate driving just to get somewhere. It feels like completely wasted time. Holiday or road trips are a different story
clear ferry
I love driving
I did 25000km last year just to move my house
plus 15000 for work
I used to drive 40k a year for work, now the distance will probably be closer to 3000 per year
covert canyon
What's the boosting perks?
clear ferry
brah
red rock
Woooooo
covert canyon
yeah, yeah
primal laurel
clear ferry
last cedar
An ev is fine unless you’re doing a big trip
Exactly, but for me at least, it would cost me 25k euro for say a polestar 2, nothing wrong with my old car 😛
last cedar
What's the boosting perks?
Free raccoon memes
forest edge
kind of funny how the colder climate areas are so big on ev's
covert canyon
Free raccoon memes
Yay
forest edge
clear ferry
arctic climate is great for fast charging EVs
natural cooling
fun fact, DCs can run 363 days a year on air to air in arctic climate
desert cave
kind of funny how the colder climate areas are so big on ev's
it's almost like the line about "less range" is not as big of a thing as it's made out to be lol
clear ferry
it really isn't anymore
forest edge
arctic climate is great for fast charging EVs
so it like levels it out to be as fast as non fast charging for others in warmer climates?
clear ferry
winter distance @desert cave
tested by norwegian auto association
best and worst
top number is vendor number, green is tested
forest edge
so glad that shit is in english
weak musk
winter distance <@141407658388226048>
That’s way better than I expected
primal laurel
does the peugeot not have a heat pump?
clear ferry
no idea, peugeot is utter shit on a general basis
best regards man who rents a lot of cars
clear ferry
the tesla def has a heat pump, if it works is another question
primal laurel
it's either a different cell chemistry or temperature issues. Or both lol
forest edge
penguin clients wasn't initially on the roadmap
weak musk
Wrong pole
forest edge
I didn't want to say seal
desert cave
the tesla def has a heat pump, if it works is another question
they run it backwards to be contrarian :D
clear ferry
desert cave
neat! Out of curiosity, how do ICE cars fare, in comparison?
clear ferry
can probably find some statistics on it, for exaxmple my xc90 does about 0.72 average on summer and 0.85 on winter
forest edge
do you even use the ac at all?
primal laurel
in heating mode
clear ferry
I enjoy heated steering wheel all year
forest edge
so heat in the winter and nothing in the summer
desert cave
yeah, I don't think it gets to 40c there
clear ferry
we only get 35c in summer
forest edge
well 95F is still ac weather lol
clear ferry
and -35c in winter
desert cave
yeah 35 is higher than I was expecting, but still not bad
clear ferry
yikes
desert cave
and I think we maybe hit -5 one day this year
clear ferry
20 years of weather statistics for my hometown
desert cave
actually yeah.. I didn't have to turn on the heat at all.. house servers provided all heating for the year, lol
forest edge
jesus that constant high humidity
your lowest point in the year is 5% higher than what I have my whole house humidifier set at lol
clear ferry
your house is set at 5?
primal laurel
it is relative humidity. relative to the dewpoint
clear ferry
this is coastal btw
forest edge
I just saw the table wasn't yearly
weak musk
I enjoy heated steering wheel all year
I had a Saab 9-5 aero years ago with heated and cooled seats— I could get away using just those settings like 90% of the year. Miss that car 😭
clear ferry
I had a Saab 9-5 aero years ago with heated and cooled seats— I could get away u...
Aye, I have air-cooled seats in the volvo, love it in summer
Also, integrated massage
weak musk
I’d be afraid of being lulled to sleep but that sounds lovely