the-water-cooler

[torpid oasis]

but emmc should be alot better than sdcard in almost all ways

[forest edge]

mini pc's generate more of it

[torpid oasis]

havent had an emmc die on me

[primal laurel]

Me neither

[subtle pasture]

Not always true, especily when the Pi5 enters the chat.

[torpid oasis]

and have bad cooling, even active

[forest edge]

lol that thing would die in my barn as well

[torpid oasis]

lmao whats the power draw of that?

[forest edge]

not even sure how well the rpi4 would do..

but the rpi3 is holding strong

[torpid oasis]

ngl considering this the rk3588 should keep itself warm in the winter

[subtle pasture]

"up to" 25w with enough USB accessories connected.

Intel has NUCs with 9w power envelopes now, so that's kinda interesting

[torpid oasis]

hmm i was able to draw 20-25W hogging npu, gpu and cpu at 100% on the rk3588 with 1 nvme

[primal laurel]

HA green does like 2W or something

[torpid oasis]

rock 5b idles at that

the fydetab duo with its 500nit screen 4.5-5w

thats damn bright btw

[primal laurel]

No screen

Only headless linux

[torpid oasis]

quite a good screen 1440p almost 1 to 1 with the mbp

[primal laurel]

So the Magic Box I am looking for with 4G via M2, onboard storage, nice case, decent compute and memory doesn't exist? Maybe I'll just build it myself then

[torpid oasis]

price?

@primal laurel look at this

magic black box

[primal laurel]

What is it

[forest edge]

if it weren't so damn expensive

[torpid oasis]

Mekotronics R58X-4G

[primal laurel]

Uhh I am still debating. Maybe 200?

[torpid oasis]

has emmc

[torpid oasis]

250USD for 4GB ram 32GB emmc with the 4g module

[forest edge]

why does it start at 32GB? lol

[torpid oasis]

ur asking the wrong person, i can ask them tho

[forest edge]

I know.. make a jab

making a jab

it's silly to start at 32

[primal laurel]

Interesting

Let me guess, also sold out

[torpid oasis]

nah

i can guarantee

[primal laurel]

Pretty standard size

[forest edge]

not for that application

[torpid oasis]

32GB is solid

[forest edge]

8GB would be perfectly fine

[torpid oasis]

16 is too short for ha

@primal laurel need me to ask for availability?

[primal laurel]

It's 32gb storage, not memory

[forest edge]

oh

you might be right

[primal laurel]

No it's fine if I can buy one via the shop

[torpid oasis]

you should be able to

they are really good ngl

tho one issue, your only OS option is armbian or bredos

[torpid oasis]

take a look at the r58x-pro too btw

[forest edge]

the 8GB + 64 emmc would be the one I would pick

284 00ff

[torpid oasis]

https://www.mekotronics.com/h-pd-75.html or this

it has the mini pcie, sold without the 4g module but it has aslot for the hdd

so u can upgrade

[primal laurel]

What do you think of minisforum?

[torpid oasis]

good but expensive, dpeneds on your needs

r58x is also expensive dont get me wrong

[subtle pasture]

Holy crap that's expensive for what you get.

[torpid oasis]

true

[subtle pasture]

My Proxmox nodes (each has a 6 core i5, 64GB RAM, 2TB NVMe storage, and quad-port PCIe NIC) cost about that much to assemble.

Granted, that's with the base system being a used mini PC

Also super glad to have all those redundant network links. We got a new kitten recently, and she found her way into the server rack and chewed up a bunch of ethernet cables. Nothing went down in spite of several cables being severed.

[torpid oasis]

lmfao

[subtle pasture]

Chaos Monkey? Nah, we got Chaos Kitten.

[torpid oasis]

got like 5 pcs of that kind

each one with its personality

tho all sharing the same quirks

[subtle pasture]

The PCs or the cats? lol

[torpid oasis]

cats

chaos kittens

[subtle pasture]

This is the troublemaker that chewed up all my cables

She also likes to chew up cardboard boxes

[torpid oasis]

aww

[torpid oasis]

sounds like these girl's mom

[forest edge]

kittens and young cats can be very destructive

[subtle pasture]

Doesn't help that she's too smart for her own good, and gets bored easily...

[forest edge]

thats why you get more than one

[subtle pasture]

We have a second cat. Unfortunately, one gets 3:00 AM zoomies, and the other sleeps through the night.

Kitten mischief hour

[torpid oasis]

here its zoomies 24/7

theres atleast one cat with batteries to keep the others awake

[subtle pasture]

Oof, that sounds like a lot to handle. lol

[torpid oasis]

yeah i casually have like 13 cats

i live in a house they are happy cats

[forest edge]

strays that hang out?

[torpid oasis]

not really but kinda

most of them just hang out they dont live with us

but are "ours" cus they come and cuddle

the all white one just comes to eat black one comes to cuddle

[forest edge]

well its good they found themselves a slave. too many cats out there without any slaves

[torpid oasis]

the others live with us

look at them little kots

[forest edge]

may wanna think about getting them fixed lol

13 will turn into 40 thousand in no time

[torpid oasis]

dw working on that

females are all neutered

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/life-uh-finds-a-way-it-be-that-way-it-will-work-itself-out-gif-16077053

[hollow moat]

Is there any way to make my desktop audio stream to all of my hass media players?

[dawn badge]

do you want to stream everything or a particular thing?

[hollow moat]

honestly any audio at all would be awesome

like for example say I was watching a football game on my desktop, I could have all my media players playing the game audio throughout the house so if I run to the bathroom I can still hear

that's what I am kinda going for

[dawn badge]

if you could create a stream you could add it as a radio station in music assistant which could then push it out to the devices

maybe icecast and some virtual sound devices or something. no idea what kind of delay you would get though

[thick dragon]

I know HA users often over-index in Australia, but how many of us here are preparing for Tropical Cyclone Alfred? My UPS' only last about 45 minutes for all my stack, so pray for @thick dragon. Will be interesting to see if my outdoor cameras survive.

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/alfred-batman-arkham-orgins-not-now-gif-20475810

[glacial knot]

猫

did it meow in Japanese?

[torpid oasis]

小猫

[glacial knot]

Doesn't look all that 子

[torpid oasis]

哈哈哈

You know Chinese?

[glacial knot]

Is that the Chinese equivalent of www?

[torpid oasis]

Hahaha

[glacial knot]

I know a bit of Japanese, but no Chiense

[torpid oasis]

Hhh is the pinyin

[torpid oasis]

Oh yea right the characters are similar

Some are the same right

人

Person human?

[glacial knot]

For 漢字 Japan just lifted the Chiense ones. So for the most part they are still equivalent
There's some deviation, but for the most part Japanese uses the Chinese letters (for one of the 3 writing systems that are mixed in any real text)

[torpid oasis]

Wdym by lifted? Removed?

[glacial knot]

copied

[torpid oasis]

I remember watching a video on how Chinese/Japanese were trying to guess the meaning of some texts/sentences between the 2 languages

[glacial knot]

trying to read it is 😂

as in, pronunciation is quite different

[unborn merlin]

diugital signage machines with rs485 built in tend to do taht 😄

its "enterprise" thus price multiplier

[torpid oasis]

https://youtu.be/ZWsLahVQj9s

[glacial knot]

yea, I'm still in the process of learning all of those funky letters
but the syllables ones are easy

[solar zealot]

Looks quite difficult

[last cedar]

Time to bite the mods and give them rabies if the motion goes through

[glacial knot]

It's less that it's difficult, and more that there's a lot

[deft pewter]

Don't they reckon you should be able to read about 2000 of them to be proficient? And many can have different readings depending on how they're combined. It's a nutty language, at least the written side.

The grammar and phonetics are about the easiest though, so listening/speaking isn't too bad. It's the reading/writing that sucks.

[blissful zodiac]

I think it's low on ink.

I really do think so.

[glacial knot]

2.8k is the expected number, yea

[glacial knot]

The grammer gets composed quite a bit. It's not that easy to hear either
though that's also partially due to me not being used to having to pay attention to pitch accent

[deft pewter]

Pitch? In Japanese? I thought it was pretty similar to English where they just have intonation for questions and emphasis. As I remember (from many, many years ago), they don't even stress syllables, which is maybe the hardest part of listening - the words all seem to run together when they speak fast 🫠

[glacial knot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_pitch_accent though it has some dialect component to it

I'd also say the short/normal/long timing for vowels is more prevalent than in at least German and English

[deft pewter]

Ah, I didn't study for long enough to pick up on dialects 😄 The timing thing though... it's all literal. They spell things with short or long vowels, and that's how you say them.

[glacial knot]

oh yea, that's spelled out properly
but it's not something I'm used to having to pay attention to as much

[deft pewter]

Fair enough. Yeah, it's another element to listen out for

Stuff like 禁煙 (kinen) is fun too. I think most non-native speakers would pronounce that as two syllables based on the romaji. It's 4 😅

[crisp oriole]

Is that a map of all Japanese dialects. That are not many

[glacial knot]

It's a specific feature that's different depending on dialect. So not trying to map out dialects themselves

[crisp oriole]

Ah

The netherlands has over 300 so i was surprised

[clear ferry]

We have 1300 distinct dialects it seems

And also 2 official languages

[glacial knot]

One per settlement?

[crisp oriole]

you would be suprized

[glacial knot]

Two per settlement?

[solar zealot]

Today I found out you can use emojis as wifi name

The world will never be the same again

[primal laurel]

did all the tuya devices just explode?

[solar zealot]

I hope so

[simple gazelle]

Which causes issues for PS5s, or at least it used to, probably patched out. I've dealt with too many bad UIs to use anything but alnum in SSIDs now

[clear ferry]

Jesus on a banana

kids these days

[primal laurel]

where does that come up?

[deft pewter]

What's wrong with QR?

[forest edge]

other than people figuring out how to get it to run malicious shit?

[glacial knot]

That it's not a clickable link?

[crisp oriole]

qr code are lickable

[iron granite]

Everything is lickable - at least once.

[forest edge]

qr is dumb

[deft pewter]

QR is fab. The error tolerance is massive, so it doesn't matter if half the image is destroyed.

[forest edge]

this is crazy https://youtu.be/5i3Y14TNqCI?si=eqHYIrVzhhqH5lZa

[deft pewter]

Ah, the image started on a computer screen. My bad.

[deft pewter]

I don't know about underused. I see them everywhere.

So many restaurants use them now post-lockdown as a way to bring up digital menus (and even order online to your table). You just scan the QR on your table.

[glacial knot]

for many tasks NFC tags are supperior IMO

but QR has its place

[primal laurel]

like restaurant menus via QR code. So stupid

dont see them often anymore

[glacial knot]

yea, but if you insist on some bullcrap digital menu, just give me something to tap. preferably with a data:// URL

yea? they can hunger

[deft pewter]

I love them. The less interaction with people, the better 😂

This might be a cultural thing. In the UK, there aren't many complaints about them. But we don't like talking to each other.

"Perimeter guns arming in 5... 4... 3..."

[glacial knot]

nah, add a motorized spray bottle with cold water

There's a restaurant I no longer eat at because they didn't support the analogue way of covid tracking

[deft pewter]

What was the analogue way?

[glacial knot]

Fill out contact form
It gets stored for 2 weeks
If anyone got the 'rona and mentions the place as a location they visited in the last week they go through the stash and call everyone

For one place we just said they should call us either way
Since there was barely a day where no colleagues went there 😂

[deft pewter]

That sounds like an awful process, sorry 😁 The bluetooth stuff was way better, once it was implemented. Automations all the way.

[tight meadow]

Hi. I had some Yeelight lightbulbs in the past and now I got Tapo lightbulbs. I highly dislike being forced into closed ecosystem and proprietary apps. I just found out that home assistant exists and I'll be trying it soon.

I have an idea for a paint-like interface for controling a big amount of lightbulbs in a home - using home assistant as a backend will make a lot of sense imo. Does that sound like something that has beed tried before?

Because if this already exist then great. I wouldn't need to work on this 😁

[deft pewter]

a paint-like interface
What does this mean?

[tight meadow]

Something that allows me to build a floor plan of my house - where the light are.
Then you would pick light color and brightness - this would be simillar to picking color in paint.
Then you swipe with brush on the floor plan and apply light change to all lights that were touched

[glacial knot]

🤷

[primal laurel]

that exists: https://experiencelovelace.github.io/ha-floorplan/

[civic citrus]

Isnt there a tool to just scan the floor with a iphone or something?

[tight meadow]

It's 3D! Looks nice. I'll be testing this for sure. Thanks

[deft pewter]

Lidar mapping stuff? Probably... but I think fda0 is asking more about how they'd then interact with it.

For more info... #1284965988642590891 is the place to ask

[primal laurel]

there's some genAI stuff that can do it from pictures only. No clue how you would get that into HA though

[shell basalt]

this winter storm has caused my electricity to be unable to decide whether to stay on or off.. currently its going with "off"

[forest edge]

I heard a couple transformers pop early this morning

feel bad for those people

[primal laurel]

it's been 5 or so years since we last lost power here

[shell basalt]

All the other places I've lived, rarely a power outage. South KC, however, not so much

[forest edge]

infrastructure built in and around grandview is ancient. surprised the homes there still aren't knob and tube

[peak slate]

Dang, I think my power outages never make it to the months between

And if you include blips and such, it doesn't make it to weeks either, more like days

[primal laurel]

is this a request?

because I'm happy to oblige

[deft pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-bumblebee-griddy-transformers-dancing-gif-14373763834400342991

Never!

[deft pewter]

You guys lose power?

I remember when I was young, my mum having a stash of candles ready for power cuts because they were fairly common (maybe a few a year, lasting no more than a couple of hours).

I can't remember the last one I experienced as an adult.

[peak slate]

Lol my entire state almost went dark

I had friends without power for over a week

[primal laurel]

last time some HV AC cable fell onto the train overhead lines so there was an AC->DC short circuit and the transformer station blew up

[deft pewter]

Oof

[peak slate]

Friends don't let friends deregulate power companies

[deft pewter]

When it happens here, it seems to just be isolated houses with shitty electrics. Which means I still have to work but I have to work while listening to their frigging house alarms going off.

[peak slate]

We have a few stop lights in my neighborhood that short out every time it rains

And go into stop sign blinking red mode

[deft pewter]

That means no-one has to stop, right?

[peak slate]

Lolol if you sat by the light during those times, you would realize that no one stops

Though I guess they run reds even when the light works

(freaking thing changes nice and fast Even, it's not like the light a half mile down the road that'll sit on red for 5 minutes with no cross traffic)

[forest edge]

what state?

[primal laurel]

there are some stoplights here that will prioritize cyclists when it's raining lol

[peak slate]

Lol Texas, grid here is the worst in the nation

[forest edge]

well i wouldn't say worst...

[peak slate]

Also because of idiots in charge, it can't hook up to the national grid for backup

[forest edge]

but yea you all had your fair share

[peak slate]

How many other states came within a hair of the entire state going dark

Like the cold start generators were down

[forest edge]

don't worry your grid is tied into ours. we supported you through that lol

[primal laurel]

which caused the coal plants to fail lol. And then people blame it on freezing wind turbines, idiots

[peak slate]

They didn't winterize despite Texas having a real winter every year

Winterizing costs money though and they wanted to save a buck

[deft pewter]

Hey, now! Don't call people idiots! ||That's my thing||

[deft pewter]

I had no idea TX got that cold. Figured it was always cowboying weather.

[primal laurel]

ps. for those in EU, day ahead market will move to 15 minutes from june onwards. So if you're on a dynamic contract you will get a price per 15 minutes instead of per hour.

[peak slate]

Galveston Bay would freeze over up until the 80s

The salt water Bay

[forest edge]

Texas is huge.. it's like it's own country spanning between north and south

[peak slate]

And people would go out skating on it

Like totally living memory, just everyone forgetting it happens because climate change stopped it

[lapis cairn]

Can you provide a banana for scale

[lapis cairn]

The contrast is incredible

[forest edge]

just picture France.. that's the size of Texas lol

[primal laurel]

a lot is changing on electricity markets because of reneweables. Super interesting (for me)

[peak slate]

Houston Texas is a city so large it takes multiple hours on the highway to go from end to end

Lol

[forest edge]

me and buddy drove from KC to Houston in a day, then drove down to Galveston

talk about flattening your ass

I actually liked texas when I went. Great street racing scene down there back then

[peak slate]

Ugh I'm so glad I didn't live on that street anymore, idiots went racing down it basically nightly

Police still don't care how fast you go on a highway as long as you're not stupid

I think the average speed on some of those is 15-20 over the limit

[deft pewter]

That sounds like the main road through my residential estate at school dropoff time... 😬

[forest edge]

in houston there are all those long ass highways that just circle around the city

610 or something I think was one of them we did some racing on

[peak slate]

Average speed, lol, not top speed

[peak slate]

Ah not surface streets, that's way more sane to go on the highways

Yeah I've seen people racing on 610 a few times, it is just a giant loop that has fustercluck traffic

[forest edge]

buddy went to a vocational school for racing mechanics so we were in deep while down there

can't remember where his apartment was

Texas was the first time I ate at a Jack in the Box as well

remember that being popular down there

[static schooner]

That sounds like the main road through my residential estate at school dropoff time... 😬
Is that like a subdivision? 🙂

https://tenor.com/view/chambord-castle-château-de-chambord-castle-of-chambord-france-gif-17413145

[deft pewter]

I wish 😄 Nah... some places in the UK are referred to as an 'estate', usually when they're a wealthier part of a bigger town/village. It's not an estate in the feudal/regal sense.

[lone dagger]

lies

Don't downplay your life.

We all know you're rolling in it.

[deft pewter]

For context, the properties on this estate probably have grounds at least 4-5x larger than the village it adjoins.

[static schooner]

I'm often thrown off by people calling a station wagon an "estate"

"estate on wheels"

[forest edge]

well you could live in it

[deft pewter]

I'ma go figure out how big the largest plot on the estate is. Some are mahooooosive. Like footballer mansion size.

[static schooner]

aka I live in my car

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/nationallampoonsvacation-clarkgriswold-familytruckster-queenwagonfamilytruckster-wallyworld-gif-22092696

[deft pewter]

Picked a random big one from Google Maps... it gives the area as 14k m2 (or 151k ft2 if you prefer freedom units).

[primal laurel]

that's like half the netherlands

[deft pewter]

I was going to say, that garden looked like half the netherlands. Flat, featureless, boring 😄

[primal laurel]

god tier infrastructure?

[deft pewter]

And a typical plot in the village... 87m2 😅

[simple gazelle]

It's a yin-yang thing, they were originally a wagon for going from the train station to your country estate

[forest edge]

holy crap the asus rtx 5090 is 3k

[deft pewter]

And worse than the 4090

Fucking AI has gotten to GPUs now too. Don't make them work stuff out, just ask them to guess.

[forest edge]

thankfully there isn't anything on the horizon yet gaming wise to even remotely consider buying anything above a 3000 series

[deft pewter]

Yup. I only upgraded from 2060 to 3080 because I had too many pixels to power on my new monitor, else I'd probably still be rocking that.

The 2060 really didn't like the ultrawide 😂

Oh, no. Brother used to be the good guys... https://www.techspot.com/news/107022-brother-printers-quietly-sabotaging-third-party-toner-firmware.html

[forest edge]

people still buy printers?

[deft pewter]

Some people, yeah. Not everything is digital yet.

We just moved house and it was crazy how much stuff they wanted printed and signed in ink, when you can sign electronically

Had to get family to print for us.

[forest edge]

just buy an old laser printer and keep it for life lol

[static schooner]

I just had to get a document notarized, which required that I print it

Kitty can barely see over his fur

[deft pewter]

I mean... that's what people thought they were doing with Brother printers. It's the firmware update that borked it, and a lot of people will just apply any update they're told to.

[civic thunder]

just get a letterpress and make your own documents https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV5FfqdZubM

[static schooner]

What kind of exercise do you get?
Oh, I print about 100 pages a day

[civic thunder]

Also a very satisfying youtube channel to watch

[static schooner]

I would definitely put too much ink on that thing

[civic thunder]

And it'd probably brick up if you didn't use the manufacturer's ink too

[static schooner]

Gutenberg's Own

[lone dagger]

I had my sister print out my passport application paperwork at her work (a hospital) instead of going to like the UPS Store or something. 🤣

Oh, I don't feel bad.

I need to print things like once a year at most.

[urban wadi]

I print almost daily. Kids asks for a robot dinosaur for colouring so I ask Gemini to create and then I print. Love having a laser printer and so do the kids.

[burnt kernel]

every time i have a new cozy life device to add to home assistant i forget how to add it... i'm getting mad 😄

and every time i post here my brain got illuminated and i remember the solution

so sorry about the spam 😄 love you all

need to refresh cozy devices in google home app

[primal laurel]

Write it down

[burnt kernel]

i mean i can use through home assistant via sdk command to google

cannot properly integrate on Home Assistant

i do not see any device or entity from cozy life. I just contol through Google home integration

so very bad, but still something

[tacit smelt]

is their a way to outright exclude local IPs from getting banned? It happends very often my device gets banned when switching to or from the local network

[burnt kernel]

if somone have better ideas i'm open ❤️

[keen bridge]

Post over in #1284966540617449515

[glacial knot]

327 for a full dog seems low

[clear ferry]

Who says the dog is full

We only see a head

[glacial knot]

also, that's 日本語 there

1個 is interesting though

[shell basalt]

its a pomeranian.. its 80% hair, 19% yipyipyip, and 1% dog

[static schooner]

The beauty of a laser printer is toner doesn't really dry out or clog and it's always just ready to print when you need it

[clear ferry]

Yes

We swapped to laser printer 5 years ago

[lone dagger]

I am not important enough to need a printer.

What a rip off.

[static schooner]

Good thing we spent all that time developing flying cars

[lone dagger]

[peak slate]

Fold it in half and eat it like a taco

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-sounds-pretty-darn-american-american-that-sounds-very-american-as-american-as-it-gets-whats-inside-mount-rushmore-gif-19143584

[lone dagger]

It's how you eat a NY slice.

[clear ferry]

Ngl, nyc pizza is great

I have not had a single bad slice of pizza in nyc

[forest edge]

meh..

sure you like drinking grease

best pizza I ever had was a chicago style deepdish shrimp pizza

[clear ferry]

But you have been to neither New York nor Chicago

[iron granite]

Park behind the police station.

[sterile ferry]

I work at a law firm... the number old school attorneys who want paper is insane as is the amount that is produced. 🌲 📰 😭

[forest edge]

this is the states.. not some poor country.. I been almost everywhere here

even made the mistake of seeing canada... shudder

[iron granite]

Want a hug?

[forest edge]

therapy after visting there

[clear ferry]

I'm never gonna believe you have left Missouri

[solar zealot]

Can't you hand them a stack of iPads :D

[primal laurel]

I was thinking Alabama

[clear ferry]

That would explain alot, alas it is not the correct state

[forest edge]

that's ok. I believe norwegians and the dutch are actually the same people

[primal laurel]

they wish!!!

[clear ferry]

It would actually be the most polarized countries, one is below sea level, the other is mostly mountains

https://tenor.com/view/the-little-dutch-boy-dam-about-to-burst-dam-burst-plug-the-gap-plug-the-hole-gif-23975901

Smiffwille

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-jesse-pinkman-heisenberg-vince-gilligan-gif-17016123874427286459

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/i-enjoyed-it-it-makes-me-feel-positive-confident-sexy-gif-15398880

[forest edge]

i bet you wished you lived in smithville

wonder if canada is better or worse than 25+ years ago

[sage cedar]

If we're comparing, Canada is always better.

-# pretends not to be triggered

[forest edge]

I dunno, they went from being nice to being mean

[static schooner]

like a kicked dog

[forest edge]

when i visited pot wasn't rampant everywhere

[primal laurel]

you went to being a friend to being a traitor

oh wait, no politics

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-office-politics-political-deangelo-gif-24986051

[sage cedar]

LOL you weren't looking then, been surrounded by it all my life. Hell now I can walk down the street smoking one and it's all good. Not that I would, kids and all.

[forest edge]

well back then it was in the rural areas but not as much in the cities

[tulip reef]

Canada is great, it's like the best bits of America without the.. y'know: Americans

[forest edge]

thats what everyone says about everyone else

[sage cedar]

That's still true

[forest edge]

didn't use to be

[tulip reef]

Haha when I was there it was in the middle of a drought and there was barely any water

[forest edge]

I didn't care too much from what I saw there eons ago but I liked the people I played games with from there but I wasn't lying.. went from nice to mean.. like the pot was sour or something lol

[tulip reef]

But was a bit of a flying visit as I went straight from there to the airport to head home, didn't experience the town

Maybe they just got tired of your shit @forest edge

Wouldn't be the only ones

[forest edge]

not towards me

[sage cedar]

Big country though, not all cities are created equal. I avoid cities as a rule though, too busy for my tastes.

[static schooner]

I've heard nightmare stories about shipping costs to Canada, which sounds like a pain in the neck

similar to complaints from Australians

[sage cedar]

Oddly only from the US (esp. now), HA Green and Voice PE cost me double the list price by the time they reached my door.

If not more... f'n customs.

[primal laurel]

buy with an importer

[sage cedar]

Never tried that

Can't cross the border unfortunately, feds say I'm a bad person for smoking weed. Well getting caught for it anyways. I have sent friends over for me though, just not always an option.

[forest edge]

just be glad not everything is treated as if each state was an actual seperate country

[clear ferry]

It kinda seems like it

[forest edge]

to a point

but would be one hell of a headache if it actually was

decoy would probably get deported lol

Utah is likely where

although kansas would take you

[static schooner]

Salt Lake City itself is suprisingly liberal

[desert cave]

it is.. I enjoyed visiting last year

the rest of the state I just drive through as quickly as possible (mostly because you don't go slow on the salt flats)

[forest edge]

@peak slate here you go lol https://youtu.be/RIPoAvA2XJ0?si=QUoRltnyayVA3KN9

[twin harbor]

Is there a voice assistant setup that works on something like an old mini pc?

[desert cave]

oh this is fun.. there's a single customer at $work that's pulling 340Gbps from us right now :D

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/tbom-gif-19798710

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-amazing-world-of-gumball-internet-speed-fast-its-beautiful-gif-12172948

[frail jewel]

Which channel for monthly livestream chat?

[solar zealot]

This is atx doing updates

[iron granite]

YouTube.

[frail jewel]

Ah ok.

I am there.

[iron granite]

https://discord.com/events/330944238910963714/1343868347233865799

[solar zealot]

So which feature can we complain about this time

[peak slate]

Lol it'll be a bit before I can watch something today, but I assume it's kinda dumb and makes fun of the Texas grid

[forest edge]

no it's about a much cheaper way to handle the power outs

[iron granite]

Maybe there will be an afterstream talk in https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284965764759027883 - but no promises.

[forest edge]

I wouldn't be surprised if the state dosen't do some kind of program with tat company

[peak slate]

Whole home battery backups back feeding the grid?

[torn snow]

It's funny to me how extremely Dutch all this is. Like, a lot of the YouTubers talking about this have clear Dutch accents, Frenck is apparently Dutch. We're just a country of mildly moist nerds, aren't we?

[primal laurel]

Not going to happen

[torn snow]

... Nah okay, we're good at building dykes. Not that mildly-moist.

[forest edge]

it charges during the night and back feeds during the peak but they say it will keep a home powered for 4 days during an outage

[peak slate]

I've done the math for my house, it would take a significant investment in batteries just to keep my fridge going for a few days

Let alone my whole home

And my fridge is decently efficient

[primal laurel]

What does your fridge consume

[forest edge]

so stop leaving the door open

[solar zealot]

Well most of that is just extreme battery prices

[forest edge]

if mo had a decent solar or whole home battery program that stacked with the federal thing I would have jumped on that

[solar zealot]

Minus it's highly explosive nature

[peak slate]

We looked into solar at one point for backup and one of the wife's requests was enough battery for a week of the fridge assuming we turned off the rest of the house and it was cloudy af for the solar

[forest edge]

we haven't lost power here in awhile but still

[solar zealot]

A week

Well that's not too difficult really

[clear ferry]

I haven't lost power in about 24 months or so

It was gone for 3h that time though

Seriously long

[solar zealot]

American infrastructure moment

[clear ferry]

Total power outages the last 20 years are probably somewhere around 8h total

So the 3h was a large chunk of it

[forest edge]

and yet you talk so much shit...

[solar zealot]

They just couldn't recover from you powering down your servers for maintenance

Took the whole country offline smh

[clear ferry]

I made the country phase distribution lop sided you say

[primal laurel]

Government probably paying for a diesel generator in his backyard

[clear ferry]

Not in Texas at least

[forest edge]

sure hope this was the last snow we get till next winter

[iron granite]

After stream talk in https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284965764759027883

[static schooner]

everyone knows that the After-After-Party is where the shenanigans happen

[deft pewter]

I'll wait for the parking lot party

[shell basalt]

the party in the alley has the cocaine

[crisp oriole]

Missed the party coding my new ai selected images of all my stuff. And use a random image as screensaver for my tabelt

[forest edge]

stuff? as in he-man collectables?

[static schooner]

just don't say "junk"

[wary skiff]

Just wanted to pop in, say hi, 👋
And let everyone know I'm happily crunching along, grinding my teeth and throwing parties at every little success and failure I've been having since starting this journey a few days ago.
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk of longest sentences evaaar.

[crisp oriole]

I finished a nice project. Let ollama browse trough all my nextcloud pictures and copy pritty ones to a share i can use as screensaver for my tablet and i gona set my random image camera to that

[lunar remnant]

HomeAssistant and Frigate on a J5005 CPU (with a Coral TPU for Frigate).... think the J5005 has enough power for both?

I'm currently running HA on a Pi 3B but it's really struggling to keep up

[dawn badge]

probably depends on your camera count, a 3b is gunna start to struggle these days yeah

[dawn badge]

if you want to ask anything further then probably best move over to #1284966353798697001 though

[lunar remnant]

Thanks, I don't need tons of info was just looking for some thoughts for people familiar with that kind of machine to see whether it was worth trying. Worst case scenario if it doesn't work I'll grab a second mini PC, but it's always nice to see if anyone says "I've tried that, it didn't work"

[dawn badge]

i set up an n150 mini pc with a coral tpu running proxmox to run HA and frigate recently. only 1 camera currently but that works. the J5005 is limited to less ram though i think

[lunar remnant]

How much RAM are you using with HA + 1 camera?

I'm only expecting to have 4, maybe 5 cameras max

[lofty anchor]

hello gang, I just upgraded to 2025.3 and was trying to test HomeAssist Voice Assistant streaming responses from my local Ollama instance and I don't think it is working?

Is there something I need to do to enable streaming responses?

[dawn badge]

streaming responces is only in text currently not as voice output

[lofty anchor]

right on, that is how I am testing it.

maybe it is kicking out the reply really fast? I am using phi4-mini on a 4090?

feels like "wait a bit.... total response"

[dawn badge]

the frigate lxc is using 2gb
the ha VM usually drifts between 2-3 unless i am up to something.
J5005 is limited to 8gb i think (at least on paper) so you might struggle with a few cameras

[dawn badge]

it might just be quick after the first bit. i am not sure though. you probably want to start a thread in #1284966582375813201 for more info though

[lunar remnant]

How about CPU usage?

[dawn badge]

not a huge amount unlesss i am up to something

[lunar remnant]

Seems manageable then as long as I just don't go above 8GB RAM with the cameras, thanks

[dawn badge]

if you already have the hardware then its worth a go. if you are going to buy then i would consider something with more ram

[lunar remnant]

Yeah I already have it, picked it up for £30 to learn how to use Proxmox so may as well put it to some actual use when it's sitting there with Proxmox already setup

I could use my home server (lots of RAM, VERY old CPU) or a more powerful PC I have lying around (24GB RAM, 5th or 6th gen i5) but the home server isn't currently 24/7 to reduce power consumption and obviously my old PC wouldn't be any less power hungry

[dawn badge]

give it a go and see how it turns out

[lunar remnant]

Is migrating as simple as "create backup, download backup, move sonoff zigbee USB dongle, upload backup"?

[smoky birch]

homelabbers - what distro do you run your homelab on?

[hoary canyon]

I use Proxmox

it’s based on Debian but has a nice web UI and plenty of community scripts to make managing it easy

[dawn badge]

proxmox

[hoary canyon]

https://community-scripts.github.io/ProxmoxVE/

[dawn badge]

the stuff on top of proxmox is various things but i do use ubuntu quite often

[hoary canyon]

My main docker LXC is Debian I believe

HA is in a HAOS VM

[dawn badge]

thats how i have my HA mini pc set up. vm for haos and debian lxc for docker (for frigate)
my other proxmox servers are a bit different. have various vms in strange setups.

proxmox is perfect for homelab though as allows you to quickly spin up a new machine with any OS you want

[lunar remnant]

Yeah Proxmox is great

I use unRAID for NAS + Docker, sometimes a VM or two for tinkering - but most VMs are Proxmox for me now

If Proxmox handled Docker containers like unRAID does it would be perfect - the community store and way unRAID deals with Docker is fantastic for people who don't want to get too stuck into the technical side of Docker

[hoary canyon]

Look into CasaOS in a VM or LXC

Runtipi and UmbrelOS are other options

Im aware but Proxmox allows you to the flexibility to run docker inside an LXC or VM and other stuff aswell

[dawn badge]

i dislike unraid (havent actually used it... but in concept)

[hoary canyon]

ZimaOS is basically CasaOS but as a whole OS but it feels very incomplete

[shell basalt]

mmm Zima

tasty citrusy malt beverage

[dawn badge]

unraid to me is basically "i kinda like the idea of having a server but don't actually want to do server stuff so ill pay to not do it instead of learning"
this is just my opinion and to be fair I am sure its a great product to use

[peak slate]

lol, i was on unraid docker before all the nicities were really in place

so it was just a UI to setup the arguments into the docker run commands, and i kinda always stuck with that method

still enjoy the nice things it adds around that, tying it to storage for apps that need STORAGE and having auto start settings

[hoary canyon]

CasaOS is great but has some bugs that made me switch to Dockge for docker. Main issue I had (not really a bug) was that the App Store apps have to manually be updated whenever the dev releases a new version

meaning if the App Store GitHub repo maintainer doesn’t maintain updates the app is out of date

Wish it would pull from the devs repos directly. UmbrelOS also does that 😦

[peak slate]

unraid imo just makes a good appliance OS

i also have a proxmox server for running all my VMs and have PBS on unraid to store the backups 😄

[lunar remnant]

The only thing I dislike about unRAID is there's no easy way to do something like "take everything off this specific drive so I can change it to ZFS". It's possibe but not simple

[peak slate]

yeah, you have to use unbalance for that

which isn't a built in utility (though i do like it, have used it to replace disks in my array a few times, then to move data around for my big ZFS transition)

[lunar remnant]

But yeah unRAID is a great appliance OS, perfect way to phrase it. Less attractive now that it's subscription though - I wish I'd picked up a second license before they switched models

I upgraded my basic license to the top one for "unlimited" drives (IIRC there's still a technical limit but I'll never hit it) but should've bought a second basic one when it was sensibly priced

[peak slate]

yeah, i considered doing that too, but i also don't mind throwing some money their way next time i need to

i've certainly gotten my moneys worth out of it in the past..... 12 years since i got my license

way more updates than windows ever has done

[dawn badge]

my main array is currently just a raid6 mdraid on a ubuntu vm which has the HBA passed through to it.
i am thinking ill go truenas vm + zfs when i next overhaul

[peak slate]

i considered truenas scale + zfs, but then kept reducing the complexity of my move until it was just new mobo + cpu + disks for ZFS

i had basically one day of downtime just to get the entire hardware swap done (and a few problems with my install conflicting with UEFI mode

[dawn badge]

one of my current servers was built with a move to truenas in mind

has lots of ram which i can dedicate to it

[lunar remnant]

I like how easy unRAID is for rebuilds and upgrading drives. One of my 2TB drives just started throwing errors so I pulled it, bought a used 6TB, shoved it in the box and hit the "Data Rebuild" button. Nothing else seems to be able to do that

Like it's literally running right now

[dawn badge]

truenas can do that but its probably a little less friendly

[peak slate]

i went to zfs because i had a disk just silently start corrupting data on unraid

then the monthly parity check would be like "oh thats fine let me just update the parity disk" and wipe away any chance at finding the corruption

also no way to isolate it to a specific disk

[lunar remnant]

Can TrueNAS mix and match drive sizes? But yeah it's the friendliness that does it for me - I like tinkering, but for my main NAS I just want it to work

My other primary NAS is a Synology for the same reason (that just backs up Documents and photos etc for an extra copy)

[peak slate]

that was fun

[dawn badge]

yeah zfs proects against bit rot

[peak slate]

nah, thats basically solely the realm of unraid or snapraid + mergerfs

[dawn badge]

it would limit all drives to the smallest

[lunar remnant]

Yeah that's the problem with XFS on unRAID and why I want to move to per-disk ZFS

Not sure if it's even possible with an existing array though

[peak slate]

you can add multiple vdevs to a zfs pool with different drive sizes in the vdevs, but they basically are all separate arrays with their own mirrors/parities

[peak slate]

per disk zfs misses the parity though thats used for bitrot protection

though i guess as long as it says "hey this is wrong" and gives you the disk

you can rebuild from parity

[lunar remnant]

Yeah that would be an issue for me

I started out with 2+1+1 , then 2+2+1+1, then I've slowly upgraded to 2+2+6+6 and now 2+6+6+6

[lunar remnant]

I thought per-disk ZFS used ZFS for bitrot protection on each disk, then did parity cross-disk?

AKA Hybrid

[dawn badge]

little baby drives 😛

[peak slate]

bitrot uses the parity iirc

i may be a bit rusty on my zfs knowledge though pun totally intended

i don't know it very well in depth yet

[lunar remnant]

Ah okay, yeah you get snapshots and data compression from ZFS but NOT bitrot protection

That sucks, was hoping I could slowly move the disks across to ZFS and get the best of both worlds

[smoky birch]

I’m not really sold on Proxmox - why would I need VM management if I never spin up VMs as it is? I don’t have a need for that feature

[dawn badge]

the flexibility is worth the overhead

[lunar remnant]

Yeah once you go VM it's hard to go back. Being able to just move a VM to another machine is SO convenient

[peak slate]

Or snapshot then upgrade then rollback as needed

Saved my butt a few times

[lunar remnant]

Your hardware gets a bit overloaded, just offload a VM. Your server needs more power, just move the VM to a more powerful hardware

etc

[peak slate]

Lustre or bust

On my cray

[lunar remnant]

haha isn't their pricing "Call our sales team"?

I unfortunately made the mistake of not being born rich and have regretted it ever since

[dawn badge]

yup, i moved to it last homelab rebuild and dont think i would ever go back unless for a specific reason on a specific machine

[smoky birch]

Is it not harder to manage your data though if everything lives in a VM?

Say for example I put all of my self hosted services in a docker compose, aren’t there some hurdles to networking I’m gonna be fighting

[dawn badge]

my main storage arraay is on a HBA which is conected directly to VM via pcie passthrough

[dawn badge]

network is easy. you can have it set up in many different ways but for the most part you willprobably just have the vm cconnect to your network as if it were a real system

i run my router (OPNSense) on one of my proxmox servers 🙂

[lunar remnant]

Networking nowadays is one of the things I think about least with a VM, bridges Just Work^tm

[lunar remnant]

Oh and being able to just connect to Proxmox in the browser then VNC/SSH direct from there without having to remember addresses etc is NICE

DNS goes janky when you're Tailscale'ing in

Aight time to try my first migration

USB Passthrough of my Sonoff went smoothly I hope

Speaking of which, my poor Raspberry Pi 3B can go back to being a low power VPN server

I assume restoring a backup imports my old user+password?

[dawn badge]

should do yeah

[lunar remnant]

Okay yeah this is way snappier on the J5005 than the RPi3B

Hopefully it gets rid of my "The interface completely stops responding" issue :p

Yeah seems to have gone pretty smoothly - the Bluetooth integration has thrown a hissy fit because the bluetooth device isn't there now but I wasn't using it anyway

[dawn badge]

yeah you will have a couple of little things like that moving hardware but its a pretty smooth process

i have some rpi3b+ knocking about with no purpose. too good to chuck but too useless to use

[lunar remnant]

Stick DietPi on it, surprisingly useful as a TailScale/Wireguard target that uses almost no power

I normally leave mine at my mother in law's so I can VPN in for tech support or so Netflix thinks we're on her network every 30 days...

[dawn badge]

was thinking i could make wyoming sattalites with them but by the time i get the bits to complete them i might as well buy more VPE's

[lunar remnant]

Ah I spoke too soon, Zigbee isn't happy

Any ideas which I should be going for?

Same USB stick, but now being passed through Proxmox on a NUC rather than directly into the RPi3

[dawn badge]

dont really have purpose but yeah if something like this was to come up i would probably use one

[lunar remnant]

Reboot seemed to fix Zigbee... but now my IKEA hub has changed because I forgot to give it a fixed IP and I can't for the life of me remember how I figured out it's IP last time 😂 FML

Yeah I've tried that, it doesn't advertise its hostname. IIRC I found it via MAC last time

[dawn badge]

i have a spreadsheet of all my device mac addresses and what ip they should be at 😛

[lunar remnant]

I have ADHD and would never be organised enough to keep up with that 😂 I'd do it once very thoroughly and then ignore it forever

[ocean oar]

I've found HA is pretty good at discovering things when their IPs change. I've not had to care about any of the IPs in my IoT network in a very long time

[lunar remnant]

Yeah I should probably at least screenshot the fixed IP table occasionall

Ooooh I've updated and suddenly this has a proper integration rather than needing a script! Amazing

Unfortunately this thing is still shit - although I should probably try it direct in Zigbee rather than via SmartLife

[weak musk]

Instead of crossposting a bunch, there is a dedicated spot to share this sort of thing: #1284960456880029707

[unborn merlin]

now if only it didn't require yet another dumb ass different service! 🙃

[forest edge]

dune series is kind of interesting so far. really long episodes lol

[hollow panther]

I hadn't considered losing a device and how much the fact that it's missing but still on the zigbee network would drive us insane. I can't decide if I'll be glad or sad when the battery dies in the thing. 🤔

[clear ferry]

You know you can forcefully remove a Zigbee device?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/dumping-trash-daniel-labelle-frustrated-garbage-trash-gif-27186872

[hollow panther]

Yeah, I'd rather find it.

It's taunting me with its data... telling me it's present in this house... but we cannot seem to find it, hah.

[forest edge]

what is it? contact sensor?

[hollow panther]

Aeotec button with temp sensor

[forest edge]

between the couch cushions

[hollow panther]

I might try to narrow down what room it's in with a space heater

[forest edge]

you can somewhat use the map to find out what device it's closets too

[hollow panther]

I'm mostly zwave so I only have a few zigbee devices

[desert cave]

oh yeah.. those wyze cams I found.. they're all V2

sooo probably paperweights

[burnt kernel]

we deserve extinction 😄

[lofty shore]

Hi Gilbert, I'm searching for a similar solution with energi data service. Did you find a solution?

[primal laurel]

https://github.com/TheFes/cheapest-energy-hours

but for a heat pump the best hours are not necessarily the cheapest. And 8 hours may also not be enough. Ideally you let optimization calculate that for you

[lofty shore]

Thanks!
My aim is to create an automation to heat the water in my heatpump boiler at the best moment. Either when I have overcapacity on my solar system, of then the price of the net is lowest.

[steady totem]

Not sure if theres a better place to post this, but Im experiencing an annoying bug in the new update. Was just wondering if anyone else have noticed the same? If I have a vertical stack and go into Code Editor Mode in any of the cards inside the vertical stack it jumps strait back to UI mode as soon as I type anything. I have a screen recording of the problem as well, but not sure if its ok to upload here?

[iron granite]

#1284965988642590891 would be the right place for UI questions. If it is a bug indeed, you should report it to the frontend GitHub.

[clear ferry]

We've been saying that for years

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/daleks-exterminate-doctor-who-whovian-gif-10468156

[rapid plinth]

I realized... thrift stores, consignment shops etc are leveraging survivorship bias to your advantage. Cheap poorly made clothing got tossed long ago; to make it onto the sales floor at all, it needs to be built to last

[solar zealot]

It doesn't work for retirement homes ^^

[neon swallow]

I run HA as a docker container. To update HA, can I just pull the latest image? Or do I have to pay attention to anything else too (apart from creating a backup first)?

[spring haven]

https://www.home-assistant.io/common-tasks/container/#update

[hoary canyon]

can’t they be used with the RTSP native firmware?

may be hard tracking the files down tho

there’s also a Wyze Bridge GitHub repo that works locally afaik

https://github.com/Lukejb14/Wyze-RTSP

[rapid plinth]

But do they then turn around and sell it? Usually the crappy stuff gets passed on to homeless charities or recycled/trashed

[prisma raft]

Hi guys, quick question about the wake on lan + RPC Shutdown switch combo, can you only have one switch configured like this (using wake on lan + RPC)?

[twin harbor]

Is there a way to automatically parse the automations file and find references to devices and entities that don't exist anymore:?

Thanks. And holy smokes, what a great url www.spook.boo

[clear ferry]

Still relevant today

https://open.spotify.com/track/6twIBPybEvGydyNzNz89FT

[lone dagger]

I may or may not get flamed for this but
-# I like Disturbed's version better.

[forest edge]

what no one liked big bird's I gotta Feeling? https://youtu.be/9NGnUaP6vZI?si=BMQPnNYCVuQQOjMi

[clear ferry]

You mam, are not wrong, but the Genesis music video slaps

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-nerd-yelling-insult-gif-7884166

[glacial knot]

But what's the best version of sound of silence?

[glacial knot]

too much hair

[clear ferry]

[lone dagger]

Also Disturbed's.

[lapis cairn]

That's just because Dave's voice is magical

[lone dagger]

Get out of my brain, I was thinking of following that up with "nothing beats his voice".

[lapis cairn]

Now I need to go listen to the sound of silence cover again

chefs kiss

[desert cave]

Korn's version of Another Brick in the Wall

[shell basalt]

Queensryche did a cover of Welcome To The Machine and made it creepier

[wraith temple]

Heads up if you have HIKVISION cameras to check your devices.

https://arstechnica.com/security/2025/03/massive-botnet-that-appeared-overnight-is-delivering-record-size-ddoses/

[ocean oar]

And as always, a reminder to DISCONNECT THAT SHIT FROM THE INTERNET, no matter what brand it is

[crisp oriole]

great a other google AI bug in the lastest release.

[clear ferry]

It always sounds like playing a LP record with a warbling motor

[primal laurel]

https://open.spotify.com/track/06wKZYu5dpve2WRS5O34MI?si=b31c178bad4148c6

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/britney-spears-look-back-sassy-britney-its-britney-bitch-gif-17601637

[shrewd oasis]

Hello everyone. Does anyone know if there is anything like adaptive lighting but for ACs? Where the ac temp changes based on the room temperatures?

[crisp oriole]

Airco is thermostat based. It goes on when the temperature is to high. You can change the value of the thermostat. For more info make a post

[shrewd oasis]

But that’s using an external device to do it. I’m looking for something like an automation. I already con control my ACs and have temperature sensors

[deft pewter]

I’m looking for something like an automation
Then head on over to #1284980040940912641

[hot ridge]

wooo! my home assistant voices came in!

[solar zealot]

You will be hearing voices in your home shortly but done be alarmed

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-25632260

[forest edge]

I hate the ikea motion sensor

[crisp oriole]

Strange. A new linux panwan of mine picks it up fast. (Still no cli) she is bipolair.

Is having mental issues a linux requirement?

[forest edge]

for daily driving it is

[desert cave]

Also a requirement to be a US citizen

[crisp oriole]

On a scale of 1 to 5 how angry are your voices?

[mild cedar]

What does the microphone icon supposed to do in the Home Assistant iOS app? On mine it just toggles to show the text field

[austere anchor]

Are you talking about the Assist screen? It’s there pulsing blue because it’s listening. When you tap it, it brings up the text box with my icon next to it. If you tap that it goes back to listening.

[mild cedar]

Interesting, there is no indication it is listening

And then where does that go? How does it process it?

[iron granite]

Holy crosspost!

[mild cedar]

They need to bring back the chat format

The forum post format on discord makes zero sense

[iron granite]

No they don't. And please stop crossposting. This channel is not for support.

[mild cedar]

Oh no!

[iron granite]

https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1347349326946369546

[mild cedar]

No idea how it works. Is there some documentation? Google did not explain.

It's funny how you're busy looking at all the posts in all the sections to scold people, but won't actually join the conversation.

[iron granite]

Throwing a tantrum will not get you very far.

[austere anchor]

Well, that’s kind of what a mod is supposed to do.

[unborn merlin]

for being a kernel contributor? I THink so. /s

[vapid tusk]

considering I have to do this to be allowed access to change the font set on my phone, I'm happier without the patches. In cases like this I deliberately block all security updates until the version I'm on not only has a vulnerability found but also publicly exploited

Also on the note of my W10, like 3 days after sending those msgs my BCD file got messed up somehow and I ended up having to spend over a day rebuilding it from scratch to recover my system

so like

you win some you lose a lot

got a gnarly photo of my computer trying and failing to boot tho, managed to mess it up so bad that even flashing a USB with a windows ISO and trying to use it as recovery media wouldn't boot https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/798497447784742923/1346216021253554176/IMG20250303152120.jpg?ex=67cb555e&is=67ca03de&hm=027e89a98b30607bf515b483ea047f93a4be20a27292fd3890447e85ee6b0930&

[lunar remnant]

Windows 10 still has support until October, to be fair

I don't like to stay on old OS's once they stop getting security updates, but it's fine to do so while they still do get updates

[vapid tusk]

Also, to be fair I did mention that I use windows exclusively for occasional gaming - version compatibility issues are really the absolute worst I have to watch out for

My daily driver is kept up to date, it's just not a windows machine

and I finally got a new laptop at work today after the request pending for over 5 months so I don't need to use windows there either anymore, everything's amazing and beautiful

[hoary canyon]

I just use Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC now. Basically all the bloat is stripped out

Linux is more trouble than it’s worth IMO. For servers it’s great though.

[lunar remnant]

I've never managed to daily Linux as a desktop machine, although I can get by with it

I'm most comfortable in Windows but I really hate the BS Microsoft are doing with eg insisting on cloud accounts etc so I find myself using my Macs more and more

All my servers are Linux, though. And weirdly when I use a Mac desktop I have to use a trackpad 😂 spent 15 years using a MacBook and just can't get use to Apple's pointer acceleration with a mouse

[gilded gulch]

hello everyone im a little new to discord and home assistant. but im trying to find some yaml code to get my esp32 cam to write to the sdcard.how would i search all the channels or what channel should i ask my question?

[dawn badge]

the esphome discord is probably the best place to go

[gilded gulch]

dont see that as an option

[dawn badge]

https://discord.gg/HzZQfAJr

[safe steppe]

has anyone seen any projects of turning google home stuff into something like home assistant voice

[clear ferry]

More trouble? It just works, best regards part time linux desktop user for 27 years, full time for 10 years

[tawdry stirrup]

Should 2025.3.0 be available already for HA in docker installations?

[red rock]

Yes

[tawdry stirrup]

And if it has not popped up in the available updates yet? Just wait? 😄

[ocean oar]

There's a "check for updates" button in the menu

[tawdry stirrup]

It prints some weird stuff in the notification box below (6, 7... whatever) and ends up just showing info No updates available

All the other updates coming through, like frigate card updates every day

[red rock]

Docker doesn't auto update

You need to do that manually

[tawdry stirrup]

Oh really? Just created a post.. https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1347496190530420768

[red rock]

🙂

As in, with docker you decide what image you run

[tawdry stirrup]

Never thought that it is actual image which changes... moved to docker quite recently, but didn't realize that I haven't had any core updates since 🤔

Would be nice to have some notification in HA anyway that there is now new version available

[tawdry stirrup]

Okay, updated successfully, only one integration didn't work. 🙂

[red rock]

nice

what version were you on

[tawdry stirrup]

I guess it was just previous, 2024.2.3

[burnt kernel]

thanks

[deft pewter]

This is one of the best things about Docker. It gives you a lot of control without assuming you always want the latest version.

One of the many reasons why Docker HA > HAOS 😄

[glacial knot]

I use regexp:^[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[1-9][0-9]*$ for my auto updating 🙂

[deft pewter]

RegEx is awesome but as they say: if you solve a problem with RegEx, now you have two problems 😄

One of my favourites is the official email RegEx (for RFC5322).

(?:[a-z0-9!#$%&'*+/=?^_`{|}~-]+(?:\.[a-z0-9!#$%&'*+/=?^_`{|}~-]+)*|"(?:[\x01-\x08\x0b\x0c\x0e-\x1f\x21\x23-\x5b\x5d-\x7f]|\\[\x01-\x09\x0b\x0c\x0e-\x7f])*")@(?:(?:[a-z0-9](?:[a-z0-9-]*[a-z0-9])?\.)+[a-z0-9](?:[a-z0-9-]*[a-z0-9])?|\[(?:(?:(2(5[0-5]|[0-4][0-9])|1[0-9][0-9]|[1-9]?[0-9]))\.){3}(?:(2(5[0-5]|[0-4][0-9])|1[0-9][0-9]|[1-9]?[0-9])|[a-z0-9-]*[a-z0-9]:(?:[\x01-\x08\x0b\x0c\x0e-\x1f\x21-\x5a\x53-\x7f]|\\[\x01-\x09\x0b\x0c\x0e-\x7f])+)\])

[simple gazelle]

I'm calling the police

[primal laurel]

regex generation, the perfect task for AI. Aint nobody got time for that

[deft pewter]

lol... as if AI would get it right.

Can't even get the right number of r's in 'strawberry'

[glacial knot]

iirc the best part about that regex is that it's not quite valid

[deft pewter]

There's a bug in the 'official' one. The one I posted includes the fix.

[primal laurel]

it does actually. Just have to give it a set of test cases

[deft pewter]

Ah. A complete set of test cases that accurately depict all valid and invalid emails. That won't take long to write.

[glacial knot]

oh right, yours doesn't describe a regular language

[deft pewter]

Quicker to write a regex by hand than to write the test cases for an AI to do it.

[primal laurel]

write? Just take it from a database

you're not going to be the first one that needs to parse email adresses...

[deft pewter]

How do you know that what's in your DB is accurate unless you already have a working regex?

And even assuming that what's in your DB is all valid, you don't know what the pattern ought to reject.

[glacial knot]

also what even is that suggestion?
just test to make sure your regex is correct?

[primal laurel]

how are you going to check whether your regex works without proper test cases?

it's the exact same problem

[deft pewter]

Not even close. You only have positives in your DB. Good test suites include negative tests too.

[glacial knot]

because the nice part about regex is that it's provable
evidently you use tools like Isabelle/HOL or coq

especially for something funky like that mail regex (and by your construction of your argument why there need to be test cases) you can only do regressin testing, never actually show correctness by testing

[primal laurel]

AI can generate those for you as well

[deft pewter]

Based on what? It's just gonna hallucinate unless you give it guard rails.

Given a solid set of test cases, I don't mind letting an agentic LLM flow write code. But if you ask it to write the tests and the code, it's gonna bullshit aaaaaaall the way.

[glacial knot]

just feed it all possible byte sequences between 0 and 64 bytes and (Client side) limit your input field

[primal laurel]

yeah you probably want to write the test cases yourself. Which you are going to have to do regardless whether you use an LLM or not. But regex is a perfect use case for an LLM to do. Easy to check whether the output is correct or wrong

[deft pewter]

And how many test cases do you reckon you need to safely get an LLM to write the RFC5322 pattern?

[glacial knot]

easy to check whether the generated regex is correct for examples that are easy to come up with 😂

[deft pewter]

Any time saving you might get from having the LLM write the pattern is going to be insignificant compared to writing the tests by hand.

[glacial knot]

did you skip your formal methods class?

proving and testing statisfy different goals
But testing a regex (that doesn't have very strict length limits) inherently only tests a tiny bit of the problem space

the simplicity of regular languages is useful exactly because it allows to apply formal methods

[primal laurel]

how many do you need if you write it by hand? The same amount

it's not so much about the amount of tests, its about your coverage

[deft pewter]

Holy crap. You're missing the point. Of course the amount of tests doesn't change, because that's the important part that a human needs to do. But you could spend dozens of hours crafting the perfect test suite and only save 5 minutes of writing code by using the LLM for that last part.

If writing the code is already such a small part of development, saving 50% of that time is a tiny time saving across my week.

[primal laurel]

you think writing the RFC5322 regex took 5 minutes? lol

[glacial knot]

it wasn't correct, so it really doesn't matter 🤷

So obviously there weren't enough test cases to constrain a generator enough to make that viable

[deft pewter]

Where did I say it would take 5 minutes? In my (somewhat flippant) example, I mentioned a time saving.

[primal laurel]

how much time you save is a personal thing. I assume you are quite competent writing regex so for you it will take a lot less time than it would for me. Writing the test cases is no problem however

[deft pewter]

I'm not competent at all. Which is why I want good tests first.

And being as crap as I am at writing them, I'm surprised how little time LLMs save 😂

[solar zealot]

That I think is a cat

[static schooner]

A hep cat with a soul patch. Probably plays bass in a jazz band

[uncut lance]

i'm having a heck of a time finding a docker version of https://github.com/hassio-addons/addon-ssh

can anyone point me in the right direction?

[dawn badge]

container install does not support addons

[uncut lance]

i understand

but every addon i have ever wanted also had a container option

[iron granite]

And you don't need an SSH docker, if you run that service locally on the host.

sshd

[uncut lance]

true, guess i do'nt know how to plug it in

[forest edge]

think they like the web terminal most of that addon

[uncut lance]

just trying to accomplish this: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/lg-webos-change-picture-setting-mode-with-scripts/262915/23

want to automatically change picture mode on my LG TVs depending on device that's active on my AVR that's plugged into the TV

[static schooner]

Seems like you should be using HAOS

[forest edge]

the superior install method according to @clear ferry

[clear ferry]

[deft pewter]

There's a container where it makes sense to containerise. Doesn't seem to in this case - you can SSH in to whatever you want via the host.

[clear ferry]

I should order this

[deft pewter]

I need that on a t-shirt

[forest edge]

misspelled color

it would

traitor

https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lannister-gif-16635977892557113898

[clear ferry]

You mean honour

[solar zealot]

I fell for a scam

"works locally with shelly3em pro" does not include the 3em

Guess who just ordered a pro one

[dawn badge]

what doesn't work?

[hot ridge]

Totally random question, does anyone know if anyone does anything interesting with AM/FM radios, shortwave, etc and Home Assistant?

I don't know how I'd use the two together .. but .. my head is just thinking weird stuff 😛

[solar zealot]

The battery storage supports local and cloud connection with shellys

But it only does cloud on this one

So I gotta replace

And somehow convince homeassistant to carry over the statistics

[static schooner]

Start broadcasting random numbers - Lost-style

[austere anchor]

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. Still taking space in my brain after that finale…

[uncut lance]

eh, been running it this way for years, it's completely fine

i'm sure there's a way to do it, just have to figure it all out

changing architecture of my install is a bit drastic

It's like saying one of my closets doesn't have a shelf so let's burn the house down and rebuild one with an extra shelf 😁

[solar zealot]

Luckily they have em on store here

Or well, not luckily for my wallet

[primal laurel]

What does the pro do different from the 3em?

[static schooner]

It's just that asking how to install an ssh addon when you're running a container install is a little weird. You kinda have to have ssh or the ability to use it if you're running a container install

[uncut lance]

it's weird if you don't understand containers i guess?

not saying you do or you don't really

[static schooner]

I start my container from ssh 🤷

[uncut lance]

it's having somewehre to install run the python install that home assistant knows about

which can't get destroyed when the container updates

the addon is a tool for the actual thing i need to figure out

i do'nt just randomly need ssh

seemed like i need HA itself to run the ssh, not the host

[static schooner]

But...how did you crate your HA container in the first place?

[uncut lance]

that's not the point, that's outside of the container

[static schooner]

Alright

[solar zealot]

Ur askinge things I can't answer

[iron granite]

I could see the ASA functionality of DAB+ to be an interesting thing to integrate in HA for official warnings. But we don't have any radios with ASA available yet - and then the question would be how to get that information in HA.

[dawn badge]

can you get radio stations with tvheadend perhaps. then pull the streams from there into music assistant

[weak musk]

This is a weird request, I’m working in a new org and they only allow mice that don’t require extra drivers (so no Logitech 😭) Anyone have suggestions for something close to the Logitech mx3?
Windows pc.
It’s a dumb rule but I don’t want to die on this hill.

[forest edge]

speaking of which pyscript isn't being updated.. that is running me into a corner

pretty sure I can accomplish everything using just HA but ugh that's going to be complex and messy

[uncut lance]

@forest edge i think i just need to figure out how to get this to install on container start https://github.com/chros73/bscpylgtv

which i'm sure is possible, just don't know how yet!

can install it manually no problem, but it'll get destroyed on container update

[static schooner]

It was just updated 2 months ago

It's not updated often, but it's still maintained

[forest edge]

it seems to be lagging more and more

[static schooner]

2 months?

[forest edge]

which gives the impression.. it will go poof

well prior to that it was longer tyhan 2 months lol

[static schooner]

I don't know why you think that

Is something broken?

[forest edge]

for the longest time there was something it uses that HA complained about being discontinued

if it's still being maintained then great but the updates haven't exactly inspired confidence for me for the past 6 months or so

[static schooner]

I would be sad if it was no longer maintained, but I see no reason to believe that's the case

He just queues up changes and releases when needed, like a lot of custom components

I'd feel differently if something was obviously broken

It's a quality integration, IMO

[forest edge]

it's been solid.. had to make a few changes here or there due to some changes with HA but other than that it's been the backbone of me linking my HA instances together

[static schooner]

The maintainer has a solid pedigree

[forest edge]

I just don't want to be caught off guard and have to rush to swap stuff over.. and it has made me feel that might be a possibility with the updates being as they were

[civic thunder]

Dang, y'all guessed my wifi password.

[austere anchor]

🙈

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/mel-brooks-password-rick-moranis-space-balls-gif-10632343

[austere anchor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6iW-8xPw3k

[iron granite]

[forest edge]

wtf they going to do with all the mirrors https://youtu.be/8-jzmTWf_dU?si=NTLnBbxDvoaSCVB4

[clear ferry]

I'm just waiting for Yellowstone to do it's thing @forest edge

[forest edge]

you would like that wouldn't you

[clear ferry]

Yes

[forest edge]

@warm helm would probably like it too. can already see his shit eating grin while also coughing up ash

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/volcano-chile-sky-gif-4849995

I'll take extinction for 300 Regus

[forest edge]

pretty sure russia would jump on the chance to attack europe once the US was too busydealing with something like that

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/politics-getting-political-gray-aba-gif-23528198

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/all-hail-king-julien-this-is-politics-grow-up-politics-political-government-gif-25471349

[keen garnet]

I've been looking everywhere in my shelves for an LCD module I know I have, to display a gauge of how much power I'm generating from solar

Couldn't find it, but I dug so greedily I found these

They're way older than me!

[forest edge]

how the hell does fall detection work on the aqara fp2? lol

[orchid rose]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/reel/DG1nkdmRYxC/

[forest edge]

lol that is pretty bad

[crisp oriole]

Soonish i have troubles installing home assistant on my android phone. https://www.androidpolice.com/android-15-linux-terminal-app/?fbclid=IwY2xjawI4FTpleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHf3jcfPP_KVbpeJ1z_grdEvPs7JB6otT0WJACTey4Uc7jXZngyYAu8amtg_aem_qhTBOhKngsgxheOBeFBebw

[solar zealot]

i looked ever so slightly closer, seems to be a different hardware revision at least as it running a different software would suggest

they still havent figured out how to draw the arrows on their clamps

put them in the same direction as the em3 ones, its inverted

[hot ridge]

Hmmm https://www.welle.io/

SDR stuff looks super interesting in general .. no idea how I would use this in a meaningful way .. but ... tickling my geek brain

[iron granite]

You would still have to intercept, decode and process the ASA message. It is a pretty new standard and special hardware might be needed.

[forest edge]

SDR's are fun to play with. Not too many uses in HA sense IMO

its what I currently use it for

[hot ridge]

sorry which?

[hot ridge]

Yea, could be fun to go down that rabbit hole

[forest edge]

pulling from 433/315Mhz sensors, gas meter

[midnight adder]

updated to latest, now all the Device icons/images are broken ( config/integrations/dashboard, etc) known issue or just me?

[hot ridge]

refresh? that sounds like frontend cache.

[midnight adder]

i even restarted HA

[hot ridge]

restarting HA won't fix frontend cache .. its a cache on the device you're viewing HA with (your phone, your browser)

[midnight adder]

even ctrl f5 dont do anything

after a gazallion ctrl f5's.... they've reappeared

[spark badger]

Guys I got a question for y'all, is there a way to get ANY media playing on my tablet into my dashboard? (I put a speaker system in my room but it's being controlled by my tablet)

it's a Galaxy tab a8

[primal laurel]

#1284965988642590891

[plain barn]

anyone using the pi-hole intergration having issues with it recently?

[iron granite]

Yes => https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1347625981640310805

[plain barn]

cheers ty . figured it was likely something along those lines but couldnt find anything ^.^

[dawn badge]

theres a custom integration that you can use for now, i linked it in the linked thread

[lunar remnant]

Proxmox, HomeAssistant VM on top. Frigate add-on running go2RTC

How do I access Go2RTC's web interface (port 1984) - I assume I need to forward the port somewhere, but where?

I assume proxmox is fine because it's a VM so any ports are available on the homeassistant IP/hostname

Can I tell HomeAssistant "forward port 1984 to the Frigate addon's container"?

Go2RTC seems to think it has a separate IP, but <that ip>:1984 doesnt' work either

... that IP address appears on my router's connected devices, so presumably it's a separate IP for it, huh. Still doesn't work though

[deft pewter]

Ok

[lunar remnant]

fml now I've managed to break Frigate entirely

Why does everything have to be YAML and logfiles 😂

Fixed it, was right to blame YAML.... something wasn't intended enough because apparently this is sensible syntax

Give me JSON anyday

[deft pewter]

YAML > JSON. Although if you want to know a secret... ||JSON is valid inside YAML||

[lunar remnant]

It is? That might be a lifesaver

Time for BRACKETS

I grew up learning JS, PHP, Java - my brain works best with brackets rather than nesting

[deft pewter]

Personally, I'd use braces. Brackets don't work well 😄

[lunar remnant]

I'm British, we use different naming :p

( = bracket
[ = square bracket
{ = curly braces/brackets

[deft pewter]

I'm also British... and would never use 'brackets' for the curly ones

Too ambiguous

[lunar remnant]

How old are you (ish)? I find we're adopting the American approach lately for them because of so much programming

But when I was younger it was definitely as above

[deft pewter]

Braces ({}), brackets ([]), parentheses (())

I'm old enough that PHP was popular when I was young 🫠

[lunar remnant]

Yeah you've definitely adopted the American versions then. Parenthesis is 100% American English

Tbf I think the US version is mostly better except () for brackets is still better

I'll accept {} = braces, but never "parenthesis"

[deft pewter]

It's contextual. We're talking about programming 😄 If I were talking to a layperson, I'd just say brackets for () because they don't even know what a brace or bracket is in the other sense.

[dawn badge]

this is correct... at least for code/markup

[deft pewter]

Indeed. Domain-specific language

[lunar remnant]

Yeah to be clear I'd understand that version, it's very common in programming in general (I've been a full time developer for 15 years, hobbyist for another 10 before that). I just don't default to using it myself

[dawn badge]

as long as you get the point across when you need to it doesnt overally matter 😛

[deft pewter]

Like when you're talking a junior dev through something and tell them to wrap something with brackets.

No, the other brackets.

No, you idiot. The other other brackets.

[dawn badge]

lol, its funny because its true

[deft pewter]

Even when there are terms that I don't particularly like myself, it's usually better to use them for precision of language.

[primal laurel]

You know what's really controversial? Indentation. I hate it

[deft pewter]

Spaces > tabs

[lunar remnant]

Yeah, it's just ambiguous in the UK because even if you used the US version, you'd still have

• "enter brackets"
• they type ()
• "no the other brackets"

[lunar remnant]

haha that's what started this conversation, me complaining about YAML

[dawn badge]

i am in the UK too and i know what you mean

[dawn badge]

sorry but no, tabs are king

[deft pewter]

Yeah. I'm just so used to seeing things set up with spaces. I know the argument for tabs for indentation and I actually agree with it.

But... every repo at work has the linter set up for spaces already, so I can't change it 😂

[primal laurel]

It is super hard to write yaml without an ide. Really need vscode for that

[lunar remnant]

One problem with indentation is that it REQUIRES syntax highlighting for longer code IMO. Sure, you can try to keep code/config concise, but at some point you're gonna need a longer stretch

[deft pewter]

Eh? It's easy to write. Aligning things isn't tough

[lunar remnant]

Yup. Luckily I just migrated to Proxmox on an NUC so can use VSCode direct now

[deft pewter]

Yuck 😄 Docker containers all the way, then just use the VS Code remote extensions to SSH into the host.

[primal laurel]

For you maybe

[deft pewter]

Have you tried using a monospaced font?

Helps a ton with seeing that columns are in line

[lunar remnant]

So tell me at a glance what's wrong here

[primal laurel]

This has an indentation error?

[deft pewter]

Syntax wise? Nothing wrong with it. Whether or not the object you're describing is valid Frigate config is another matter.

But back to my earlier suggestion - write it as JSON if you prefer. Unless Frigate doesn't follow the YAML spec, it should accept it

YAML does more than JSON, which is why I prefer it where possible.

[lunar remnant]

Yup

[lunar remnant]

Wrong, there's an indentation error

[deft pewter]

Where?

[lunar remnant]

Error: YAMLException: bad indentation of a mapping entry at line 9, column 9:
roles:

[deft pewter]

It's in line Did you mix tabs and spaces?

[lunar remnant]

Nope

That's the correct syntax

[lunar remnant]

Still stand by this? 😉

[deft pewter]

I stand by the first screenshot being valid YAML.

Syntax wise? Nothing wrong with it. Whether or not the object you're describing is valid Frigate config is another matter.

[lunar remnant]

I promise you it isn't

[deft pewter]

Paste the plaintext here

Just up to and including the roles is enough if that's where it claims the problem is

[lunar remnant]

https://pastebin.com/6vdaRTa6

[deft pewter]

https://i.imgur.com/bCWR4Os.png

[silent dove]

@deft pewter I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[lunar remnant]

Try the whole example...

[deft pewter]

Yes... that one is invalid. You have the roles at the same level as a list item.

That's not what you shared first

The first character on a line has to either be a non-list item that's in line with other non-list items, or a list item in line with other list items. You can't mix them.

[primal laurel]

Chatgpt found it as well 😛

[deft pewter]

badlist:
  - foo
  bar

goodlist:
  - foo
  - bar