the-water-cooler

[verbal spindle]

Riiight, thanks!

[glacial knot]

Joost being nice?

[red rock]

Shus, I gave you stickers

[primal laurel]

I have an app idea. Can you help me?

[glacial knot]

And I distributed them further

@keen bridge can't DM you
Did you send out the pins? Haven't received anything so far

[keen bridge]

Nope. I'm waiting for @lone dagger to let me know what to do.

[glacial knot]

I'll set a timer to ping 'em every 2nd day

[keen bridge]

Or maybe just let her get to it? She has a list and a system and priorities. Dealing with pings will just slow everything down

[glacial knot]

Priorities not aligned with my benefit are clearly mistaken

[primal laurel]

just give yourself the dev role

then you have no right to call it rude haha

you've come to the right channel for that

[lone dagger]

I have uh...run into further problems, lol. I am still trying to get the stupid invoice from the duties paid when I sent them to you.

x.x

[keen bridge]

It'll all get worked out!

[lone dagger]

MAYBE. WHO KNOWS. I SURE DON'T ANYMORE.

-# I wish this week to be over.

[keen bridge]

It's Friday! Basically done!!

[glacial knot]

Still FedEx being dinguses?

[glacial knot]

Over in 1h for me
But then u have to touch windows on my grandma's laptop over the weekend

[lone dagger]

UPS. It's worse than FedEx.

I need to contact the office near Rosemary, and I have emailed them, but no one responds, which means I need to call, but I am so far behind in time zones that it's very difficult to do.

[lone dagger]

I feel like I worked 2 workdays yesterday.

[keen bridge]

They don't answer the phone either.

Not that that helps, but that's what happened to me 🤪🤪

[lone dagger]

So you are saying I maybe need to have a colleague show up at an office for me lmfaoooooooo

https://tenor.com/view/kill-myself-seatbelt-gif-13298646

[static schooner]

Not to mention that they'll probably talk about lorries and such

[peak slate]

Get one of those tablet things to drive around the office

[weak musk]

One drive is so aggressively annoying

[red rock]

@indigo mural

[indigo mural]

@red rock what, you want me to add those to HA integration pages as well?

[red rock]

lol no

but that aligns with your opinion one ondrive

[indigo mural]

Give me a minute PR is coming

Would an issue „Oh we noticed you haven’t configured it“ every other minute be enough?

[weak musk]

It needs to me more irregular

[glacial knot]

Only if it's spoken in s slightly metallic voice

[weak musk]

Like every other minute for an hour then nothing for 2 hours, then every 15 minutes for 4 hours, then nothing for 24 hours, then every 187 seconds for a 3 days….

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/order-order-now-order-today-dgs-dgeniussolutions-gif-7367891401247366838

make it flash like this

[weak musk]

Never let the user get comfortable

[indigo mural]

Oh yeah good point can’t be predictable

Maybe in a nice overlay

[static schooner]

Comfortable users ask for things

They need to take what they get and like it

[solar zealot]

This so much

[indigo mural]

Exactly! Someone gets it

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-moar-more-i-want-more-mooaar-gif-23786940

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[clear ferry]

Yes, I agree, I work from home, my machine is the same machine i work from

[simple gazelle]

Yup, same chair, monitor, everything

[primal laurel]

I have a work laptop

But i can very easily switch

[simple gazelle]

Yeah it's work's laptop, but I use my home monitor as primary and the laptop itself as the secondary.

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I have been getting a new laptop every two years now, haven't run corp image since 2015

And the laptop drives 3 monitors, wish it could do 4

[forest edge]

seperate out porn

[clear ferry]

I'm the other way around, work is my hobby, I use the machine primarily as my own, then do work when I feel like it

I actually ordered my first desktop in 16 years the other day

I ordered a UM790 pro

[empty horizon]

Hi All

[forest edge]

mini pc's really push the definition of "desktop"

[clear ferry]

It won't even be on my desk, I'll mount it on the back of one of the monitors

[empty horizon]

I setup HA on a raspberryPi a while back. I was setting up a new home network and it was disconnected for a bit. Trying to connect to it via homeassistant.local:8123 but its not loading

[primal laurel]

#1284966540617449515

[primal laurel]

is that new?

[clear ferry]

No

The 890 is the latest

[primal laurel]

I'm still looking for a decently fast linux box that can fit generic mpcie cards

[lone dagger]

They should have put a phone in the dude's hand for the second one, not a laptop. Only rich people have laptops.

Yep, same. Anything you can get on your phone's plan, that should be in that man's hands.

Allow me to bust out some Research Knowledge I have here.

The cap for desktop/laptop users has been reached (years ago, in fact) - this is largely due to the increasing cost of computer devices and the convenience of being able to order a mobile device from your phone provider and pay monthly payments on it. Add on that computer classes in public education just aren't a thing anymore (there is an assumption that everyone has these devices now), you have a huge lack of PC access.

While internet and mobile savvy Gen Z and below are, they are nearly universally "device illiterate", which means they have no clue how to use a PC device nor its functions because they have literally no experience in it at home.

[static schooner]

I often have up fall back to a laptop when stuff just doesn't work right on my phone or tablet. Or is just annoying having to switch back and forth between apps

[forest edge]

I could not just use a tablet/phone

barely use my phone as is. usually in just a pinch

[static schooner]

With all the advances over the years, web browsing on a phone is still a bag of compromises

[primal laurel]

Mostly on iOS

[forest edge]

android/ios is great for older people and people who don't want to do anything beyond candy crush and using bank app or some crap

why I put my mom on a chromebox. made my life a million times easier lol

[lone dagger]

Most people have no need for all the things that come with a laptop/PC.

Us techy people? We're in a bubble.

You should lose that hope lol.

As a parent with a child in school right now - the most they are learning to do is bypass IT policies.

LET ME TELL YOU HOW MY 10 YEAR OLD FOUND OUT HE COULD CREATE A GITHUB PROFILE LAST WEEK

[forest edge]

lol work pc's using "apps"

[lone dagger]

We're from a different era of device access, though. Gaming is heavily done on consoles by younger generations because of the increasing cost of customizing a PC to be able to game on.

[forest edge]

that cost isn't so bad anymore

literally just checked out the latest ad from microcenter lol

my pc cost less now than when i bought it

[lone dagger]

It still costs at least a thousand to have a gaming rig right now, though.

It's $500 for a console.

[forest edge]

i wish consoles would die

[lone dagger]

Why?

[forest edge]

its a money sink

[lone dagger]

Disagree, I never have to update my hardware to have game support.

[forest edge]

use to be a hard 10 year cycle, then went down to 7.. what is it now? 3 years?

[lone dagger]

I've had my Series X since it launched.

[forest edge]

and backward compatibility can only go so far lol

[lone dagger]

BC is done via emulator.

[forest edge]

not talking about it's life expetency, talking about when they release the next new

[lone dagger]

The reason why things come out faster is because tech advances faster.

[forest edge]

because of greed.. yea i agree..

[lone dagger]

It's the exact same reason why you would need a new GPU.

[forest edge]

GPU's way outlive consoles lol

always have. don't see that changing anytime soon

[lone dagger]

My console plays games better than my gaming rig does, lol.

[forest edge]

well don't play on a lemon lol

or as atx calls it.. potato

[lone dagger]

I promise it's not a potato.

[forest edge]

it's a beat?

[lone dagger]

You seem to be viewing this from a perspective of "it's not for me so no one should have it".

[forest edge]

who?

[lone dagger]

You, lol.

Sure, but what marketing actually talks about that?

The consumer way is to always have the best.

[forest edge]

I owned every console up to PS4. it's not like I don't have experince with thier downfalls lol

even before they released the PS4 the cycle went from 10 years to 7 between the PS3 and 4

and has gotten shorter with every variation since

hell my PS3 is one of the first ones that allow me to dual boot into linux lol

[lone dagger]

For PS this is not accurate. The PS4 and PS5 had 7 years between launch, too.

[forest edge]

not 7 between the pro and ps5

[lone dagger]

I wouldn't say the "pro" was a new console.

[forest edge]

i think thats 4 years

[lone dagger]

It was still in the same Gen that the 4 was in.

[forest edge]

it is though

it offered stuff the reg ps4 didn't

like vr

[lone dagger]

lmao because that did well.

[forest edge]

just saying, it technically is a new console

released in 4 years

lol

[lone dagger]

If you really want to be technical, they did it because the Xbox console was miles ahead of the PS4 and they needed to catch up to play the same games.

[forest edge]

soon it will be like cell phones, new console every 2 years with only like 8 years backward compatibility guarantee

[lone dagger]

If they do away with console gaming, then everything will be cloud based and I am already over the SaaS format of gaming.

For digital privacy and ownership, the consoles should stay.

[forest edge]

without a doubt.. if consoles were more popular and sales were higher you bet your ass they would screw people over more so than they already do lol

[clear ferry]

I bought the PS5 in 2023, the PS4 in 2014 and the PS3 in 2007

[forest edge]

your lagging behind is not our concern

[clear ferry]

Last PC was 2009

So we are about the same, in reverse

[primal laurel]

I dont 'buy' a PC

I buy parts

[lone dagger]

I know it's the next step. I've been watching the Xbox side of things closely (my husband worked on the team that was building this stuff up 11 years ago).

[austere anchor]

Microsoft already does online game streaming with GamePass Ultimate.

[primal laurel]

I thought we were already over the whole cloud gaming fad

[austere anchor]

Still a thing, apparently. Google backed out of the game, but Microsoft, Nvidia, and Amazon are all still in it.

[forest edge]

lol stadia

that did not last long

[austere anchor]

It was Google. What did you expect? RIP Inbox

[forest edge]

amazon is in a petty decent position fo it

[austere anchor]

https://killedbygoogle.com/

Sure, and doesn't align as much with their core business.

They probably realized they can't mine enough personal data from gaming, so why bother.

[red rock]

I like it too

got a free chromecast and controller from it

never used stadia itself

[forest edge]

controllerr was cool from the vids i saw

[austere anchor]

I got an Android TV and controller way back at Google I/O one year, but it's collecting dust because it can't even function as a Chromecast.

[forest edge]

same, I like that it takes actual batteries

ah

[austere anchor]

I used to use a wired 360 controller, now I just use my Steam Deck.

[forest edge]

as a controller?

[austere anchor]

And the PC.

[forest edge]

be weird to use a steamdeck as a controller to play pc games on a seperate pc lol

[primal laurel]

you liked it because it gave you free shit?

[primal laurel]

nah thats just remote

[red rock]

yes

but like

I bought it

and then they stopped the service

[primal laurel]

not really comparable in my opinion

[red rock]

and refunded everyone

[primal laurel]

getting free shit tends to affect your opinion

[red rock]

But I told the whole story so you would see that I have no opinion on the service itself, just the fact that I got free stuff

[primal laurel]

yeah but it's paying for content vs paying for hardware, considerations are completely different for me

[forest edge]

plex monthly. = 👎 plex lifetime = 👍

[lone dagger]

That’s not really what I mean, I mean fully cloud accessed - more like a ChromeCast device instead of a full powered console.

[austere anchor]

Ah. As the terminal device?

[lone dagger]

Yep, basically.

The Internet infrastructure 11 years ago wasn’t ready for what they were testing.

[austere anchor]

I do wonder. Right now they are the ones driving the "at home PC" industry vs the "thin client" industry that Google pushes (Chromcast, Chromebooks, etc).

Since Microsoft divested in web browsers, it seems risky to pin their future on the success of a competitor (Google maintains Chromium, which underpins their web client).

[primal laurel]

in my experience the number of people running plex (or better, jellyfin) is only a small portion of the number of people dat download movies

[austere anchor]

To be clear, I'm certain they are capable of delivering a platform like that, but I am not seeing it make sense to their shareholders. 🙂

[primal laurel]

netflix alone has 300M users. Plex has like 15M

[lone dagger]

The amount of custom code in Edge outweighs whatever the Chromium team does.

[forest edge]

why the comparison of netflix to plex?

that was a bad example

consoles weren't a bad idea back in the days of rentals

so going to throw this keyboad out a window

but it's not something that should be encouraged

should be like a max age cap lol

if your x old o older you cannot buy a new console

[primal laurel]

steamdeck is the closest you're going to get to a console like experience on PC I thinkg

[forest edge]

steamos is the closest lol

[primal laurel]

I hope so

[forest edge]

making?

I didn't think there was anything preventing that.. infact I thought thee was aleady 3d party crap

I emember some kind of weird cube thing

[austere anchor]

I'm talking about them divesting from consoles in favor of going all in on cloud gaming.

Yea. And would they divest from PCs too? Move to SaaS thin clients?

[glacial knot]

I just SSH to a work VM in the cloud

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI-C-nZnDE8 seen this?

[glacial knot]

but how do I write code then?

[lone dagger]

I am very close to having things finished for the server updates but I don't want to finish them on a Friday and then fuck off for the weekend.
-# That goes so well for us. /s

[lone dagger]

Fun Missy Fact: I drove and wrote the announcement for Edge on Steam Deck.

[glacial knot]

friday release

[lone dagger]

Oh so I should mark the server as read only?

[glacial knot]

???

[lone dagger]

Fun Server Fact: You all are way more active during your work week than the weekends.

[glacial knot]

I'd rather just get an SSH session

We have remote desktop as well. I never use it

[lone dagger]

100% serious offer - if anyone needs a forced break I will happily help with boundaries and set you to Mute. Just ask. 🙂

(This sounds like a threat, but it isn't. I know how helpful it can be.)

[glacial knot]

can I ask to mute someone else if I need a break from them?

[lone dagger]

Have you seen this new Ignore feature in Discord???

[glacial knot]

Yea, it sucks. Still causes the server to be marked as active and the channel to be part of the active cycling 😦

[keen bridge]

Sadly that's a Discord limitation we can't do much about 😉

[lone dagger]

Yeah, the block does that, too. I wish it didn't.

I do not caaaareeeee that they posted, please don't give me that new message indicatorrrrrrr.

[glacial knot]

oh yea, that as well. If it's removed, resolve the ping / unread flag

[lone dagger]

WE ARE ALL EXCELLENT PMs, LISTEN TO OUR GOOD IDEAS, DISCORD

[glacial knot]

we must have some discord staffer here. Let's lock them in a room until our demands are implemented!

[lone dagger]

I guess some would see it as such.

I see it as using your resources to get a job done.

If I have the chance to take something in a dark direction, I will.

[forest edge]

but then how will you see the end result?

[lone dagger]

[glacial knot]

can you force dark mode for this server?

[lone dagger]

of my trolling or the project of getting some Discord staffer to do our bidding by holding them against their will?

[glacial knot]

Yes

[lone dagger]

I FUCKING WISH

[glacial knot]

HA forum leak of classified data to integrate mlitary equipment when?

[lone dagger]

Then I wouldn't have to fight the "ROLE COLORS ARE UGLY ON LIGHT MODE".

[forest edge]

no, by it being too dark

[lone dagger]

oh oh oh my bad yeah I have terrible night vision I didn't think this out clearly

[forest edge]

I think its cat hair wrapped around my R key lol

no cats ae even allowed in this room yet...

[lone dagger]

In the same tone of "deal with the support forums".

[forest edge]

be funny if the support forum channels were just a symlink to the community board

if user accounts could be sync'd sue

sure

[glacial knot]

y'all don't just log into everything with OAUTH?

[lone dagger]

Joining data from different platforms ends up being fuzzy privacy questions.

[forest edge]

being a community server would have it's exceptions tho

[glacial knot]

What?

[forest edge]

this is not just a normal discord serrrver

it's a community server

and yes my r key is buggard

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-computer-hello-on-phone-gif-12810332

[lone dagger]

You are misunderstanding me.

As a representative of a company that values privacy, merging accounts from different social media platforms is very risky because then people ask how I merged their accounts. There are tools out there that do this in an effort to monitor user activity across multiplatforms.

It's a very delicate thing I would have to do. And we have turned down products that do that because they couldn't explain the implications of merging the data.

As convenient as it would be, the questions would need answers.

[dawn badge]

lightbulb moment: put a voice satellite in an old mouse to make this real

[glacial knot]

oh, computer mouse... that was confusing for a moment

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-long-hair-mustache-magic-shia-labeouf-gif-17741293

[lone dagger]

[dawn badge]

to be fair might be able to just take the ball out and put an atom echo in there. its gotta be close to fitting right?

[static schooner]

easily

[lone dagger]

The people who use cloud LLMs likely wouldn't care. It's those who don't who would.

[glacial knot]

yea, I don't use HA to send my voice to the cloud. Seems antithetic

[primal laurel]

the ones who suddenly figure out thats happening

[lone dagger]

You are not alone in this situation, I promise.

I still have Echo devices all over the house.

[lone dagger]

A lot of others agree! (me, I am one) But it's offering the choice, and that's what we want to make sure people have.

[glacial knot]

I barely tolerate my phone having proprietary software o.0

I need to get better hardware to run inference on to actually make better use of the PEs

Yea, but it's a noticable difference whether it reacts immediately or takes 10s to think about turning off lights

and I'd like to run a slightly higher quality STT

[lone dagger]

Hmmmmmmmmm we're at risk of the Boost level dropping in the server. 👀

[iron granite]

As Frenck said: does that matter, as we have an own URL redirect for the Discord invite? Is any of the other percs that important?

[lone dagger]

As a community manager, every perk is important to me.

[iron granite]

We need more fork emotes to break the 150 emote threshold. 😆

[crimson nacelle]

Does anyone else think the motion activated lights blueprint is fundamentally broken?

On most motion activated lights, the lights only turn on once upon motion, and either stay on until motion stops for it's set timeout, or don't turn back on again if switched off again, until motion stops for it's set timeout.
But all the smart home gear I've seen doesn't do this properly, which is really annoying if you switch the lights off after they automatically turn on, or adjust their scene/brightness after they automatically turned on.

[lone dagger]

Emojis have been on the top of mind for a bit. 😄

[clear ferry]

[primal laurel]

Where can we sell narcotics? Or is that a tier up

[iron granite]

#silk-road

[shell basalt]

well the silk road guy got pardoned.. so there may be some HA integration for that

[lone dagger]

Gray Market Trading happens in the other secret totally real community server.

[shell basalt]

"I just used Voice Assistant to order a mountain of cocaine with bitcoin and it was delivered by the USPS... technology is great!"

[lone dagger]

That's what you use Alexa for!

[shell basalt]

Whole Foods Cocaine - no more baby powder or fentanyl cut ins for me!

Whole Foods Meth is still made with the finest transmissions fluids tho

[clear ferry]

Who needs gray market when you have so much gray water in the us

Still can't get over that I didn't connect the dots between my sprite smelling like a pool and the fact that chlorine is so prevalent in the US water that icecubes taste like toilet cleaner

Took me three days to connect it, only happened when I got sprite at a restaurant

[lone dagger]

Yeaaaahhhhh the ice machines used by restaurants aren’t kept up that great, either…

[shell basalt]

this is making me want a self-disinfecting yet delicious white claw

i call that a good idea

[lone dagger]

It is Friday, after all.

[keen bridge]

I'm celebrating my impulse bread maker purchase with Prosecco

[dawn badge]

this bread situation is seems to be escalating

or "rising" as the case may be

[sonic sluice]

I want to ask for advice on what to look for in a miniPC to be used exclusively with Home Assistant but unsure which channel to use. Hardware would be an obvious choice but it appears I can't post there. Suggestions?

[weak musk]

Like one of the grossest things in a restaurant after that grease trap

[ocean oar]

You want #1284966353798697001 (not #hardware-archived), if that's the problem you're facing.
There should be a "New Post" button top right, if you're on desktop, "(+)" button bottom right on mobile

[weak musk]

That doesn’t make it better

https://tenor.com/view/who-wouldve-thought-not-me-who-would-have-thought-gif-21140374

[red rock]

oh I know how to clean them

You know those taylor machines at the mcdonalds

I can disassemble and assemble them

[lone dagger]

You'd probably make bank as a contractor who cleans those for companies.

[red rock]

hehe

I also know why half of the machines dont work

because they fill them above the line that says

dont fill above here

but you can just turn them off

press a button

turn it on

and pretend like nothing happaned

https://youtu.be/SrDEtSlqJC4

[lone dagger]

I love the look of disgust they managed to catch for the thumbnail.

[red rock]

But I miss that ice cream machine

we now had a new one

also nice one to clean

but this one has the tendency to just piss it self when you dont want it

but those evenings were nice

me and the dad of the owner of the snackbar

bottle of whiskey

making jokes about lube and latex

because when you assemble them, they require a ton of lube for the moving parts

[solar zealot]

Latex is no joking matter

Thousands of students die every year setting up a build pipeline for it

[primal laurel]

Overleaf

[solar zealot]

Yuck

[primal laurel]

Setting it up yourself is not worth the hassle. Just setup backup to git

[glacial knot]

I wonder if that supports all the oddities we have in our LaTeX build pipeline

[primal laurel]

What oddities?

Everything about latex is odd

[glacial knot]

fixedpoint iteration is probably the hardest to give up on
Though the way we've split out various images (mostly tikz) and compile them into individual binaries to include (.eps iirc) is also quite nice to get full vector graphics without paying too much on compilation

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/steph-choisir-gif-16818847262015922530

[primal laurel]

Fixed point iteration? Like solving equations and stuff? I thought only academics used tikz lol

[glacial knot]

the equation of correct LaTeX invocations 😂

[stable helm]

I just moved HA to a new machine using the Backup feature.
It just worked perfectly. Things like this usually never work perfectly for me.
Just connected all my zigbee devices like nothing ever happened.
Even the cloudflared tunnel just worked instantly.
Actually shocked that it just worked

actually triple checked that the old machine is actually off and it didnt just connect to the old one still 😂

[sage cedar]

Brace yourself, the better it seems the worse it'll bite you in the ass.

[mighty rose]

So..... Zigbee stuff......

if I try to move from Z2M -> ZHA..... whats the process for when stuff doesn't work properly?

or has someone figured out a way to import the customisations / tweaks from Z2M -> ZHA yet?

yeah, I mean all the problems with ZHA and devices is why I went to Z2M in the first place....

I'm just wondering if I'd just be wasting my time and I just shouldn't bother lol

but removing Z2M would mean I can remove MQTT etc as well

[sterile ferry]

ZHA quirks have seen a concerted effort to get more tuya devices working and my understanding is v2 quirks make it fairly easy compared to v1, https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/releases

[mighty rose]

I might have to check that out and take a peek

last time I tried ZHA, I ended up going back to Z2M after submitting 3 different quirk fixes - but other stuff still wasn't working right

[blissful zodiac]

I love the AI integration.

[forest edge]

interesting upcoming 4 years!

[austere anchor]

Me: Close the shades.
Whisper: …

Shocked that GPT actually figured out I wanted the shades closed from that.

[ocean oar]

"Open the pod bay doors, HAL"

[wooden egret]

what's the worst that can happen if a malicious actor gains control of HA container? as in, guesses credentials and logs in

[iron granite]

They can control everything and might get access to your configuration and secrets file.

Or use it for other malicious purposes.

[last cedar]

Why are the motion sensors with lux so bloody bulky and large? (Ikea, Aqara etc). I don't want that on my wall!

[keen bridge]

Because the best place for a lux sensor isn't in a motion sensor? 😜

[forest edge]

https://i.etsystatic.com/53315272/r/il/0c2869/6332114747/il_fullxfull.6332114747_b1ip.jpg

[deft pewter]

What a lazy map. Didn't bother to complete Europe just because some countries don't use the euro.

[clear ferry]

We don't use the Euro but they included us

[deft pewter]

True. Even worse

[clear ferry]

Someone had to pull up the average

[deft pewter]

Apparently the UK is higher than Norway

In April 2024, the average full-time salary in the UK was £728 per week, or £37,430 per year.
So that's about 45,346 euros

I bet those Balkan nations would drag the average right down though

[clear ferry]

Average salary in Norway was apparently £47000 per year

[glacial knot]

do you know the average hours for the UK? assuming 40, that's 22€/h and would be the worse than all the shades of blue

[clear ferry]

In 2023

And it went up in 2024

5.9% up from 2023 to 2024

https://www.ssb.no/arbeid-og-lonn/lonn-og-arbeidskraftkostnader/statistikk/lonn

I'm only up 4% last 12 months

[deft pewter]

Oh... my bad. I ignored the /hour 😄

I'm used to seeing 'salary' described as the gross value per annum.

If you're paid an amount per hour, you're not salaried.

[glacial knot]

🤷 it's just noramlized over different working hours

I'm salaried, I still have a virtual hourly that's used for overtime

[clear ferry]

I do too

[glacial knot]

"overtime". Only really exists if I go oncall

[forest edge]

https://media.makeameme.org/created/poor-people-people.jpg

[deft pewter]

Yeah, makes total sense given that different countries have different length working weeks. I just ignored it 😄

And you guys gotta go on call? 😅

[clear ferry]

I have left on call twice

And got compensation for it both times

Anything before 0800 and after 1600 is overtime in my book, if I have to get up for a 0600 flight at 0400 that is 4h overtime right there

[glacial knot]

no though I'm setting us up to do it

[glacial knot]

I think most of europe has roughly 40h for full time
but there's pretty high variation in lower hour offerings and take up rate

[clear ferry]

We have 37.5h work weeks in law

Since we are required 30m a day off for lunch

[forest edge]

you don't get paid for lunch?

[clear ferry]

Practically no, in reality yes, because we just fill 40h

Then again, I haven't paid my own lunch in 20 years almost

[forest edge]

I thought you mostly worked form home? how are you not always paying for you lunch? lol

[glacial knot]

it's called expensing 😂

[solar zealot]

His basement also contains an entire Hilton or something

He just declared it a work trip

[last cedar]

I would argue that it is no excuse to make a but ugly product though!

[keen bridge]

Agreed 😆

I like the little Aqara/Xiaomi lux sensor pucks

[last cedar]

I have a hue outdoor sensor now that I use the data from, but I would like something ina few other rooms. Might grab a aqara puck for lux and motion sensors in each room

[keen bridge]

That's the way I did it. I put the pucks near the windows so I have a good idea of the light levels

[last cedar]

Are you only turning lights on at certain light levels? Or blinds too?

[keen bridge]

Blinds and curtains are based on both light levels and sun azimuth, lights trigger based on motion and light level/curtains being closed

[last cedar]

I would really like to 3d print sensor holders that I can fit into Schneider Exact bays

[keen bridge]

I bet you can

[last cedar]

You don't have to do anything other than feed yourself then? 🤣

[keen bridge]

And shower and dress! 🤣

[last cedar]

I am sure you could automate that

[keen bridge]

But I did buy a bread maker last night that has a timer function.

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/wallace-pants-gif-22356938

I wish that gif was longer

[last cedar]

1000 IQ

[keen bridge]

The whole episode is only about 20 minutes 😅

[glacial knot]

=.= I hate computers
this dumb laptop has an intel optane cache in front of an NVMe SSD
and the format it uses when the raid is setup in BIOS is not publicly documented, but only available in a blob driver for windows that Intel provices

[clear ferry]

I buy stuff from the local cafe, and bill the office

[clear ferry]

Lol shim drivers, fucking shit

Especially os bound

[glacial knot]

yea

luckily the BIOS offered an option to disable it without losing data

so I now got a full image of the disk. Time to do selective backup and then nuke drive...

[whole gazelle]

pi 4 or 5, how many GB?

for a noob but nerd

[primal laurel]

69

[iron granite]

Only during that summer

[clear ferry]

Sweaty memory, mom's spaghetti

[balmy basin]

heya, is #1284966582375813201 the right channel for this?

[forest edge]

4 or 5 min 4GB

[iron granite]

Yes, but a more meaningful title and more information about the devices might help.

[whole gazelle]

would a Samsung T7 SSD over USB be an okay boot drive?

[clear ferry]

Generally horrible idea

But rpi be rpi I guess

[forest edge]

yea anything other than sd card or usb thumb drive would be preferred

[burnt kernel]

is anyone able to make old ip cameras without any app working? I would like to bring back to life 3 old ip cameras i have but can't even know the ip since i don't know how to discover it without an app. I hope someone can help

[worldly mortar]

Please could I confirm if there's any mods I can raise a concern to in dms?

It's a server related concern

[iron granite]

Go ahead.

[worldly mortar]

thanks one sec

[deft pewter]

You don't need apps to find the IP of a device on your network - your router should be able to tell you the IP address of all connected devices, since it's the router that is responsible for assigning those IPs.

[mighty rose]

So - speaking of moving to ZHA earlier..... How can I do this zigbee command via an automation?

[deft pewter]

#1284980040940912641 would know

[mighty rose]

ie that's the READ value, I wanna change it to SwitchBackLight.Mode_2 and hit write

[forest edge]

you should know better than to ask that in this channel lol

[mighty rose]

eh - is it automation? or integrations? or hardware?

[forest edge]

#1284966582375813201

[mighty rose]

There used to just be a zigbee channel that knew everything 😛

[deft pewter]

And there's always been some off-topic channel where support questions aren't permitted 🤪

[mighty rose]

lets see if the old zigbee folks hang around in automations 😄

[mighty rose]

Ah, figured it out anyway..... the automation interface for it has stuff listed in decimal, not hex like the manage device interface

[whole gazelle]

why?

[forest edge]

ignore him. he's a pi hater

[burnt kernel]

unfortunately not.. ip cam cannot connect to anything if you do not configure it. That's the real issue 😦

i cannot have any ip if camera is not connected. But cannot connect since there is no offical app anymore 😰

[crisp oriole]

Is #1284966439702499400 the right channel for complaints if a nabu case service stopped working?
Needed to switch to offline mode

[iron granite]

Yes.

[crisp oriole]

The tags arnt within scope i think.

[deft pewter]

That's... not how IP addresses and DHCP works

[lone dagger]

How?

[crisp oriole]

Oh let me check again

[forest edge]

just saying "ip cam" is very vague. I don't know what these devices ae but you could ty looking to see if someone has made a hack for it. People make custom firmware for all kinds of stuff.

[crisp oriole]

Well miss @lone dagger i now have remote access tagged. But its a stt problem

[lone dagger]

Then wouldn’t that be a Piper or Whisper issue? (I can’t remember which one is which…)

[crisp oriole]

No that isnt the case because that is for my offline mode

I use the nabu casa prefered

O need to go

[lone dagger]

Ah, that is a weird issue. I’ll figure that out next week but stick in Cloud for now.

[plucky plank]

Hey. I want to check that I am not missing anything, but out of the box there is no support for allowing monitoring of HA via SNMP? If not probally going to start work on creating something for it so I can monitor it via LibreNMS.

[burnt kernel]

any camera that can be reached online. They called IP Cameras. Without an app is impossible to me to connect to home assistant. Searched everywhere. App is not available and nobody have those generic ip cameras. Plus a couple don't even have a brand 😄

[lone dagger]

I don’t think there’s anything like that out of the box for HA.

[supple grove]

Never used it, but this is around for HA OS, https://github.com/PecceG2/Home-Assistant-SNMP-Sensor-Server

[clear ferry]

For HA running on any sane os it would be a 3 second job to setup though

[forest edge]

if these plug into you network use something like https://www.advanced-ip-scanner.com/ to scan for every possible IP the camera could have. There is no such thing as a camera that doesn't have an IP prior to using an "app" to assign one, it's just the default IP it boots up with is outside your local IP range.

[clear ferry]

Well, if it has bt to enable the interface

I wouldn't be surprised

I've seen shit products

But mostly any IP camera I've ever bought is just DHCP out of the box, then start up onvifer and find the stream details and import into ha / frigate

[forest edge]

as old as they makes it sound it won't be BT lol

[burnt kernel]

how could you connect a usb camera to network if you cannot control it?

[clear ferry]

Eh BT enabling has been a thing for 10-15 years

[forest edge]

these are usb cameras? you said ip

[burnt kernel]

i mean, it does have no ip since is not connected to any network

[clear ferry]

Unless you put a static ip

[burnt kernel]

yes they called ip cameras. Simple usb cameras with wifi

[clear ferry]

It will always pickup a DHCP address

[lone dagger]

Your face is a DHCP address

[clear ferry]

Yes mommy

[forest edge]

ok if it has wifi then it's broadcasting lol

well should be

[desert cave]

I just leave all my devices on DHCP and use static assignments within pfsense

[clear ferry]

Yes

This is the way

[burnt kernel]

so, what do you suggest? I switched on the camera, put into pairing mode, but no app is finding any ip

[clear ferry]

Reservations for lyfe

The look in your DHCP lease list

[burnt kernel]

how could connect to my network 🙂

[clear ferry]

Unless you have changed ssid too

[burnt kernel]

there is nothing in my network

since he can't connect to my network

[clear ferry]

So, has this ever been connected?

[burnt kernel]

imagine a brand new camera

without any app

how would you interact with it to make it work?

[lone dagger]

Missed my mouth, spilt coffee on myself.

[clear ferry]

I would never buy a product without poe

[lone dagger]

ggs

[clear ferry]

So, no idea

[burnt kernel]

it's at least 10 years old 😄

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/stain-coffee-stain-stain-less-no-stain-stain-free-gif-12118512

[burnt kernel]

trying not to trash

[clear ferry]

If it is 10+ it is already trash

And a $30 camera will outperform it by 400%

[unborn merlin]

sometimes.

[lone dagger]

Almost exactly.

[unborn merlin]

Some cheap IP cameras.. are odd and only will take an initial DHCP before you change some settigns from a 192.168.1.x network

[clear ferry]

Hard pass

[lone dagger]

Just without the to go cup and with a mug on my couch.

[forest edge]

at this point the camera isn't worth messing with lol

[unborn merlin]

works out when you have too buy like 20x of em 😛

[clear ferry]

If they are $5 each, maybe

[desert cave]

true talent

[clear ferry]

And 1080+

[unborn merlin]

I mean they work fine aside from the odd initial dhcp behavior (and that it only does one time dhcp to start before you change a setting..)

[burnt kernel]

it's just a way not to trash things... i already have ool new cameras, everything is cool and working, but wanted to give a new life to those old ip cameras if possible

not sure it is at this point 🙂

[unborn merlin]

if its worth it* 😛

[burnt kernel]

always worthed a try

[unborn merlin]

if it doesn't support some amount ofo existing non-pain-in-the-ass stuff..

then probably not.

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-youre-welcome-no-problem-curtsey-bravo-gif-3320408

[burnt kernel]

i agree haha

at least i tried

[desert cave]

I was digging through bins and found a stack of 8 Wyze cams. Debating if it's worth it to poke at getting them working or not

[burnt kernel]

2 of the old ip cameras are blurams, and fortunately i've been able to make it to work since app is stil alive

other 4 cameras are weird brands or no brand at all

[unborn merlin]

debating whether or not its....

Wyze to do that?

[forest edge]

what gen?

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/glasses-sunglasses-cool-tom-cruise-smile-gif-17437889

[burnt kernel]

that's how i spent my saturday hahaha

[desert cave]

https://tenor.com/view/mariokart-mario-gif-4282988

[desert cave]

uh I'll have to look. They're at least 6-8 years old though

[forest edge]

anything below a V3 is a paperweight

[desert cave]

but today I get to spend finally doing the install for my batteries and inverter :D

[desert cave]

good to know!

[clear ferry]

Watching my printer prime made me realize, it is gooning before doing it's job

[desert cave]

https://tenor.com/view/vacuum-hoover-robot-freedom-free-gif-24156225

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/vacuumwars-robot-vacuum-funny-swarm-bots-gif-24736877

[plucky plank]

Nice. Think I found a new project. =^.^=

[balmy basin]

yep, thanks

[solar zealot]

seems pretty off

[glacial knot]

in what sense?

[solar zealot]

well at least for Germany, destatis reports 34ish average hours a week instead of 26

so there seem to be some huge variance in how that would be counted

[clear ferry]

Depends if you count it as active working hours or paid

I get paid for 40, I probably work 30 most

Some weeks it probably is 15 😂

Also depends on what one defines as work, since my job is a hobby

[shell basalt]

"make sure to turn on your camera so we can see if you're sleeping!"

[clear ferry]

I just use those as background noise while working

[clear ferry]

I'm the other way around, I'm usually the one with camera on, psyching out whoever is on the other end

https://tenor.com/view/dave-bayley-glass-animals-narrowing-eyes-narrows-eyes-suspicious-gif-17585283795349292804

[unborn merlin]

I think you can drop the 'advanced' part really.. 😛

[clear ferry]

I would

[unborn merlin]

unless you're talking late stage capitalism.. We're fairly advanced in that

probably a stage 5 on that at least.. 😛

[shell basalt]

you're talking about capitalism like it's a cancer... oh.. wait..

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-money-vince-mcmahon-money-wwe-capitalism-gif-23623669

[sullen hatch]

Anyone help with the RATGDO? I upgraded my GDO to LIftmaster with yellow learn button and my RATGDO functionality stopped. I updated its firmware. I can access it via ESPHome integration and control it, but non of its entities are appearing so I can access them through HA otherwise.

[unborn merlin]

its probably going to require different wiring because of something. hope you didn't cook it.

[sullen hatch]

It works via ESPHome...just HA entities not seeing it

[deft pewter]

You probably want #1284966353798697001 , which is actually a support channel

[sullen hatch]

ANyone know of a good HA compatible replacement for the WattBox ? Mine is dying and I fired the integrator long ago for poor service and WattBox peeps won't talk to me without an integrator go between.

[sullen hatch]

Yeah I need to renetwork my whole place...It's full of outdated Luxul devices and the Savant integrator that installed them all is long AWOL now. Cannot find anyone to help me change over to Unifi hardware

[blissful zodiac]

First time it actually worked!

[mighty rose]

Well, the good news is that the ZHA device compatibility is much better since I last tried.

I didn't need to make a single new quirk this time around

[desert cave]

wheee.. it is done.. I no longer own any working PC that runs Windows :D

[forest edge]

was nice knowing you

[desert cave]

after having done a re-install of windows recently, getting desktop linux installed and set up is a LOT easier

[forest edge]

not sure how

certianly isn't for me

[desert cave]

well, stop trying to use Arch :)

[forest edge]

yea I wouldn't even want to try and deal with that lol

[desert cave]

but yeah.. for windows, it was make an up to date USB installer, reboot into that, go through the install process, then spend 2 hours running windows updates and rebooting a dozen times, then start installing apps. For linux, making the USB installer was basically the same, though didn't take nearly as long, then the install itself took maybe 10 mins, and then another 10 mins to update to Debian 13 (I could have grabbed a 13 installer, but lazy).

[forest edge]

some of of that is cause you are not accounting for dealing with device drivers

[desert cave]

oh and all the fighting to use a local account on windows, lol

so I was expecting to have to deal with device drivers in linux.. aand with AMD hardware, everything Just Works(tm).. I'm honestly surprised

[forest edge]

so you got lucky

[desert cave]

I'm sure things will get more interesting when I set up VR, but so far it's been surprisingly smooth

[forest edge]

I predict windows back in your future lol

[desert cave]

nah.. I'm honestly not a big gamer.. the few games I do play all have linux versions

[mighty rose]

the only thing I haven't been able to run in Linux is GTA V since they put in the battleye anti-cheat and refuse to click the box to allow it to run on linux

otherwise, I've been on linux only for over 10 years now

[forest edge]

while I haven't done it myself, I've read the win11 built in reinstall (factory reset) is actually pretty good. it takes care of all the updating including updating device drivers etc in a rather short amount of time

I do see it get recommended on some of the window's support tickets because it's like a fresh wipe retianing the stuff you actually want to keep

[mighty rose]

I'm not sure you could pay me to go back to Windows these days lol

[forest edge]

what every linux junkie says time fom time

you all end up going back and forth lol

[mighty rose]

what part of linux only for over 10 years did you miss? lol

[forest edge]

.

[mighty rose]

The closest I have is a VM for Windows 10 LTSC for some work related kiosk stuff.

otherwise, Windows just slows me down doing what I need to do.

I'm kinda glad linux has evolved enough to just be a tool to get a job done now.

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I haven't had a windows machine since 2018, I have had to dual boot a few times due to Pearson Vue nonsense though

So I keep windows on a second partition on my spare laptop

Pita whenever I boot it it wants to install 9000 updates

And I have a single vm to use visio and our ILO debugging tool

Ironic since ILO runs linux

[primal laurel]

I like how when you tell windows to 'install updates and shut off' it doesn't shut off at all

Windows updates are so fking annoying

[clear ferry]

But wait there is more

Now they are forced

Even version upgrades are forced

[crisp oriole]

Arg what is windows a hellish OS

[ashen thorn]

Hi, if i have a question to a specific integration, where do i ask that, on the forums, here or git ?

[iron granite]

#1284966582375813201

Or the forums, if you prefer that.

[ashen thorn]

Okay thanks 🙂

[forest edge]

every time a linux groupie complains about windows an angel gets its wings

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/kc006-zach-galifianakis-gif-8185892

[crisp oriole]

It isnt that simple. The angel has to go trough 6 diffrent gui panels to adjust her wings.

[clear ferry]

But is it a biblically correct angel or not?

https://tenor.com/view/angel-biblically-accurate-angels-gif-25043050

[last cedar]

I think he means an angelic form, something that has thumbs and likes trash?

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/pom-poko-studio-ghibli-raccoons-pouch-magic-gif-25979208

[vapid tusk]

im still on w10

you can make a registry editor change

which

the fact that that's what you have to do to opt out

I fear the day microsoft will just say "teehee that's a funny variable how bout I update anyway"

well I mean "on"

I boot it up every few months when I get the urge to play elite dangerous and that's about it

oh nah auto update bypass is completely separate and they bypass that every month when they wanna be annoying

I still have a PC running win 8 using the same regedit

[civic citrus]

Btw anyone tried those sunlight alarm clocks?

[clear ferry]

Strange people who want to stay on dead OS' that are not guaranteed security patches

[peak slate]

It's supported until October

I have the ability to update to 11 unlike most and I still don't want to

[clear ferry]

It is literally dead at this point, and users should have moved on

Not reinstall it

[peak slate]

It's as bad as Vista

[clear ferry]

Come to the dark side, linux just works

[forest edge]

part of the time

[civic citrus]

Could anyone steer me the right way for a sunrise light alarm ? Basically sync light with my alarm clock?

[deft pewter]

Sure, steer yourself to #1284980040940912641

[civic citrus]

Was thinking if there was a nice guide but I can make a post there if its that complicated 🙂

[deft pewter]

Doesn't have to be complicated to live in a support channel. It just has to be support. 🤪

[deft pewter]

I used to tell myself that the only reason I stay with Windows is for gaming... but looking at how smooth gaming can be on Linux these days, I'll probably switch at some point.

I already develop in Linux environments. Just gotta use WSL2 for it right now.

[smoky birch]

Where’s my fellow gravel riders at? Just picked up this beaut on Friday

[last cedar]

We are lucky that steam is helping with this, I am hopeful that this will be a reality soon for more people though

[last cedar]

You are not meant to pick it up, it is far easier if you sit on the seat and pedal

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-bike-gif-7734306

like that

[smoky birch]

Oh I know that - I live on the third story so each time I ride I get a reminder on how much easier it is to sit

[last cedar]

It looks like an absolute beast though

[smoky birch]

That puts me at three bikes now - gonna be getting rid of my Hybrid soon

[forest edge]

it really isn't.. unless you like to play crap games

[smoky birch]

Did 100 miles on it on Monday - first century ride

[last cedar]

I guess I play crappy games then 😛

To be fair... I play minecraft, I would be astonished if that didn't work

[smoky birch]

Bout to put 30 more on some gravel roads in about an hour 😎🤙

[last cedar]

I want to get into iracing, which didn't work/ didn't work well afaik recently

And then I have some obscure games on steam....

[forest edge]

case in point.. requires blocky graphics lol

[last cedar]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1320100/Wanted_Raccoon/

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[deft pewter]

Yeah, Proton is doing wonders for Linux gaming. Mad to think that even people that don't own a Steam Deck benefit from its existence.

[last cedar]

I want to play the steam final fanasy games, I should check their compatability

[forest edge]

bet you jumped on that first day or release lol

[last cedar]

I guess I don't have a lot of reason to stay on windows

[last cedar]

YOU KNOW IT

It is as close as I can get to being a raccoon, without the risk of getting taken away by länstryelsen

I do run server 2025 on my blue iris box though, there is no other way to get the working, I guess I will have to live with that

[clear ferry]

I do 99% of gaming on consoles anyway, so hasn't been an issue for me since 2015

[last cedar]

Console?

are those the shitty computers you can buy for playing games?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/p-ong-gif-21099491

[clear ferry]

[last cedar]

🤣

To be fair, they are computers now

[clear ferry]

They have been for decades

Look at the original xbox

[last cedar]

Pentium 3 right?

And you could hack PS3 with a linux distro iirc

[forest edge]

I wouldn't call it hack. it was actually allowed when fist sold

they only took that ability away later

[last cedar]

@forest edgegood news about wanted raccoon

Looks like I will be sorting linux then

[last cedar]

I was unaware of this, thanks for the clarification

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-linux-users-gaming-computer-computers-gif-23121479

[last cedar]

Seems the final fantasy games won't run, not the end of the world though

I don't feel bad about running W11 on my gaming machine, as long as it isi more or less the only one

[deft pewter]

You can take glitchy gifs on underpowered Windows machines too 🤯

[forest edge]

use too many programs not just game that won't on linux

[primal laurel]

like what

[forest edge]

stuff like my adobe suite etc

even the reolink client won't un on linux which is weird

[deft pewter]

Imagine using their own client

[forest edge]

there is actually a whole lot of stuff that won't run on linux

[deft pewter]

And using Adobe... that sounds likes more punishment than using Windows itself 😂

[forest edge]

but vey little stuff that runs on linux that won't run on windows

[forest edge]

not the older stuff lol

no online crap etc

[deft pewter]

Doesn't matter which version. Adobe stuff mostly sucks.

Dreamweaver was good back in the day but that's not how you'd build a site now anyway.

If someone wants Photoshop/Lightroom, there are better open source alternatives (which also run on Linux).

Darktable does everything I need and without all the bloat.

[primal laurel]

not if you're a dev

"windows? are you a fucking normie?"

[forest edge]

like what? cause I would even say CS4 is better than gimp lol

I don't mess with the lightroom stuff as much I know linux has a somewhat decent version but...

sorry windows stuff is just generally better all around. the only downside is the free vs $

[primal laurel]

is trolling and bait how you entertaing yourself?

or are you genuinely this stupid

[deft pewter]

We've all wondered that for a long time.

[forest edge]

did I hurt your feelings? truth does that to weak minded people

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3d212D1-3Q

new scambaiter just dropped

oh nvm its a reupload

[clear ferry]

I audibly snorted

[glacial knot]

Explains why so many cling to windows

[forest edge]

you realize desktop linux is still well behind any other major OS right?

it's like the tortoise and the hair. but least linux is still running

[glacial knot]

in market share, yes

[clear ferry]

Spot the guy who has never run linux desktop

[glacial knot]

otherwise I haven't found anything lacking

[forest edge]

in everything

[clear ferry]

[primal laurel]

stop engaging with bait

[glacial knot]

I'll keep it in mind when you say something odd again

[forest edge]

cracks me up that every new linux fanboi generation acts just as hostile to the reality as the last

[glacial knot]

I thought you'd advocate for some HP UX with GUI abomination

[primal laurel]

lol, at least I give good arugments

[glacial knot]

😂 arguments, yes

[forest edge]

like how research skills are more important than knowledge?

[clear ferry]

Hey hey CDE is nice

J class workstation

[clear ferry]

Every day?

[glacial knot]

potentially. I don't lurk here quite enough to say

[forest edge]

you making germany great again?

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/lizzie-mcguire-gordo-im-right-always-right-i-hate-being-right-all-the-time-gif-15201601

[glacial knot]

I thought windows actually did some nice things
with virt based security and all
but having to actually interact with it again over this weekend...

[clear ferry]

No thanks

[glacial knot]

Ohh, that's why you avoid it 😂

Working on making Austria German again

[primal laurel]

nah bc your defualt mode is to make personal attacks which makes discussions with you pretty pointless

[forest edge]

but that's exactly what you do

[glacial knot]

Only for you 🙂

[primal laurel]

only for you

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-spn-jensen-ackles-dean-winchester-i-support-that-gif-5204032

[primal laurel]

please do me a favour then and just block me

ill do it now 🙂

[glacial knot]

blocking yourself is a feature now?

[forest edge]

love when you can spot age a mile away

wish all powered zigbee devices had a restart option

[clear ferry]

For what purpose?

[dawn badge]

smartplug on each device. if problems with those then put them on smartplugs

[forest edge]

to restart..

[clear ferry]

Why?

[forest edge]

well not all zigbee devices are created equal

[clear ferry]

I haven't had a need to restart a Zigbee device in 6 years

[forest edge]

cough cough ||tuya||

[glacial knot]

smart fuses in the distribution

[iron granite]

Tuya smart fuses

[forest edge]

lets just say I got what I paid fo when I bought these puck pesence sensos

[glacial knot]

Isn't every tuya device essentially a glass fuse?

[forest edge]

it's the deciding factor why I pulled the trigger on this sonoff usb adapter but I despise how fa it sticks out from the outlet

[dawn badge]

yeah i can see that being a thing

[iron granite]

This is not a support channel. #1284966353798697001 with the "DIY IoT" tag might be able to help.

[burnt kernel]

Done thanks

[tired quarry]

for frigate in proxmox is it better privileged or unprivileged

[clear ferry]

Doesn't matter if you do permissions correct

Also in proxmox sounds like lxc

[tight swallow]

I want to create a homeassistant simple widget button, where I press and it executes something in Node Red

so I created widget with action input_button.press but now I want to get this in the Node Red, so once pressed it will trigger some action

unfortunately I dont know how to make it, should it be even input_button.press action?

[glacial knot]

The days of NDISwrapper

[tight swallow]

a widget in Android screen, press = triggers something in Node red,
should be simple enough to understand for someone who knows HA

[static schooner]

you're posting in #the-water-cooler

[tight swallow]

since when HA is water cooled

[static schooner]

this isn't a support channel

you wanted #1284965926336335993 , I guess

[tight swallow]

alrighty!

[glacial knot]

I'm sure we have at least 2 users doing that

[tight swallow]

haha

I see, well I have everything setup in Node Red, never touched automations. just wanted to make a simple virtuall call, not actual device but just virtual button which will be caught in Node Red

[oblique forge]

I am upgrading to Pi 5. When I restore from backup will everything auto pair?

[weak musk]

#1284966540617449515

[silent dove]

The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re looking for support and unsure where to go, check out https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 - it should help you find where you are going. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

[sullen hatch]

Have a POE wall panel that is never used. I want to get rid of all the Savant functionality and move to HA. That being said, what I had d one so far in HA has all but fallen apart with updates and loss of support for some integrations so I'm almost starting from scratch. The network is the big beast as the whole house is involved as well as distributed audio/video and poorly labeled CAT6 cables to know what is what. But I'd love the Unifi router/switches. Not sure if I should keep the Ruckus WAPs or not, but they have been working ok

[forest edge]

the days of facts huh.. some refer to it as reality

did you even read the convo?

[clear ferry]

Tbf to an end user it is 99% same experience, without nagging updates

[jovial patrol]

I am new to home assistant and making progress on getting things set up. Today I came across and issue trying to add my second govee light bar. When I try to add a second device I am getting "Already configured. Only a single configuration possible. Not sure how to add my second device.

[static schooner]

#1284966582375813201

This is #the-water-cooler

[weak musk]

Linux is fine if you’re web browsing (or using web apps) or developing. It’s a pain in the ass if you’re working in creative or with a team that relies on windows or Mac only applications.

[glacial knot]

I'm ok with krita 🤷 but I'm also not really creative and just dabbling
and /me wrote most of the drawing tablet support in sway

work stuff also tends to be OK, since work IT takes care of all the suck

[clear ferry]

Even MDM software like zscaler runs on linux now

[glacial knot]

zscaler 🤢

[clear ferry]

Yes, I don't run any corp bullshit

[glacial knot]

I hate their TLS breaking proxy feature

PoS software breaks our HTTP2/GRPC connections and requires stupid workarounds

[clear ferry]

Ours is a pita, every time we have a new customer VPN, the user needs to apply for an exception

For every vpn

Per user basis

And I have... Probably 20 or so customer vpns

So no thanks

[desert cave]

Sonoma is a MS employee, confirmed

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/developers-gif-13292051

[torpid oasis]

hey @dawn badge, i see you tell 99% of the people to move away from sdcards, why? SDcards arent that reliable as you say they are.. I write/wipe/write sdcards a few times a day testing an os while yes some have failed most havent YET and thats after writing an OS image ALOT of times, meanwhile in that same time ive had 2 nvme ssds go in to read only

[glacial knot]

did you mean to say unreliable?

[dawn badge]

if you get good sd cards they can last a while. but in general they dont last as long as an SSD. and they are slower too

[glacial knot]

IMO they are hit and miss, with most of them being miss
i've written through 5 on a day, and had others last months of OS testing
haven't had any proper drive fail in that time 🤷

[dawn badge]

they are fine short term but i do suggest that people move away when able yeah

[torpid oasis]

yes..

[torpid oasis]

in general on RPI theres not really a way to get ssds unless you have the 5, and usb to nvme is more unreliable imho due to the fact if something happens i e a disconnect the whole os locks up/crashes without a way to recover

[weak musk]

You’re free to use whatever you want but Michael is correct in not recommending sd cards.

[dawn badge]

you can get ssd hats for pi4 and pi5 but to be fair i also dont recomend using RPI's

[torpid oasis]

i also use ssds whereever possible, emmc is next on my prio, i mostly use sdcards as throwaway things

[weak musk]

I run a pi 4 with an sd card. It’s been around 5 years. I’d never recommend anyone do that.

[torpid oasis]

so sad that RPI are acting like clowns sometimes lol, would be easy for them to add some kind of emmc (removable), and it would make it preffered

[glacial knot]

recommend it to people with good backup hygiene (aka. nobody)

[torpid oasis]

me

[glacial knot]

if you want emmc, go with something CM based 🤷

[dawn badge]

there is EMMC on the compute modules

[weak musk]

Weird way to call out @lone dagger

🤣

[desert cave]

I have good backup hygiene but that's because I've worked for backup companies for 15 years

[torpid oasis]

oh for sure, im actually using an emmc for my HA

[glacial knot]

10.96.245.119:6789,10.104.49.202:6789,10.106.237.16:6789:/volumes/csi/csi-vol-34784e8e-19f2-491f-82c9-b7f4d3fcc70f/97222d4b-1091-406e-b6c9-593ae742eef5 /config ceph rw,relatime,name=csi-cephfs-node,secret=<hidden>,fsid=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000,acl,mds_namespace=myfs 0 0

[torpid oasis]

nfs?

[glacial knot]

Nope

cephfs

[torpid oasis]

first time hearing that

[glacial knot]

it's a funky thing. I wanted to have backing storage that survives a host going down

[torpid oasis]

once im done with testing this, im moving it away to an nvme and pxe booting

[forest edge]

the raspberry foundation kind of shot themselves in the foot but not entirely their own fault.. supply and demand tripped and bumped their arm

2nd of March and the xmas lights finally come down lol

[lone dagger]

I back up every Friday at midnight in 2 locations now tyvm

[forest edge]

these the tuya hacks you had to implement to get that crap working? don't want to isk losing that and having to redo it?

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/owen-wilson-progress-making-wedding-crashers-gif-10069195

[lone dagger]

That is significantly easier to set back up than recovering my custom notification scripts.

[forest edge]

wasn't you using scenes? redoing automations from scratch sounds easier lol

[lone dagger]

The automations have custom messages made from an LLM hard coded into the script. It is absolutely easier to log into Tuya’s dev platform to get a hex code for a scene color.

😂

[forest edge]

but is it safer?

[lone dagger]

I don’t understand the context.

[forest edge]

logging into tuya's dev portal

it was a joke

I did look at it once

and then thew the contoller away

[lone dagger]

[lone dagger]

I absolutely missed it lol. 😆

[lone dagger]

Legitimately, I will tell people to not get Tuya now lol.

At least lights.

Nothing WiFi.

[deft pewter]

Only use them for outdoor lighting, right?

[last cedar]

Paperweights

[static schooner]

Smart paperweights

[clear ferry]

You're welcome

[forest edge]

this the norwegian cut?

[clear ferry]

I can only hope

[forest edge]

new filled pan of food. cameras going to go crazy tonight

[torpid oasis]

Imagine backing up stuff
Imagine having to redo something from scratch, the hardware fails boom do it a second time

[lyric pine]

how safe is it to expose home assistant with cloudflare tunnels? it has ssh and i have a secure password

[solar zealot]

as safe or unsafe than any other application reachable through the internet

[lyric pine]

okay cool, so pretty safe, i just found out that HA has 2fa as well

so i think its plenty safe

[solar zealot]

yea it might be

[lyric pine]

might be?

[solar zealot]

there is no absolute in this

[torpid oasis]

It will be until someone finds an exploit

Nothing is 100% secure

[lyric pine]

ah okay but its no more insecure than using something like home assistant cloud?

[torpid oasis]

Just like ssh, ver very secure until there's an exploit

[torpid oasis]

I guess

But then u got someone to blame

[lyric pine]

haha

[solar zealot]

ha cloud does similar things technically

[torpid oasis]

Should be very similar

But ya nothing is 100% secure there may be backdoors exploits etc

[next marsh]

why is there no offical addons in my add on store?

[iron granite]

Allowing external access without 2FA would be a bad idea in my opinion.

[iron granite]

There might be something wrong.

[silent dove]

The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re looking for support and unsure where to go, check out https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 - it should help you find where you are going. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

[next marsh]

sorry im having trouble using the forum ui

[primal laurel]

Lmao

[iron granite]

There is a "New Post" button at the search bar. Use a meaningful title and add details in the post, like log messages and so on.

[next marsh]

ahh got it thanks

https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1345883933824389140 is this right?

[keen garnet]

Man home assistant works just fine for years

But when it breaks everything breaks at once

[weak musk]

Is that an electrical or a plumbing issue?

[mighty rose]

replace fuse with RCBO.

fixed forever.

and safer too

oh.

that's concerning.

they're normally last resort as "this should never get hotter than X"

unless I guess it was just age.

ie I have 150c thermal fuses on my 3D printers hotbed - that should never go above 100c

[shell basalt]

i do this too.. "I paid for this heat, I'm damn sure gonna keep using it!"

[unborn merlin]

unless you're printing abs.

🙃

[mighty rose]

even ABS, for every type I've seen they normally say 80-100c as the bed temp

ironically, my CF nylon that I use occasionally says to use a cold bed

[unborn merlin]

sounds like.. not real abs to me if its saying anything less than 100c. 🙃

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-lenny-abs-ab-roller-backwards-gif-16550137003976691650

Made me think of @forest edge

[unborn merlin]

you can tell its someone with a bad take already because it has a blue checkmark.

[clear ferry]

[solar zealot]

This what they call crack open a hot one?

[forest edge]

I mean if you get no ally support and you get putined universal healthcare would go down the drain lol

[glacial knot]

Because the US is the only ally they have 😂

[forest edge]

well it didn't seem zelensky was rest assured under the thought of just having europe at his back lol

[deft pewter]

No shit. The more allies, the better. But the US isn't the world's saviour.

US-centrism is such a dumb world view.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/btHNi.gif

[forest edge]

imagine how nice the world would be if we were all ameican's

probably would have colonized other worlds by now

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/europe-office-micheal-scott-naked-gif-25310054

[glacial knot]

yea, way more pressure to leave 😂

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-edna-no-politics-gif-25375116

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bVDP7.gif

[forest edge]

nice ublock made a new extension to work with chrrome's bs

the original had still been working but this is the second time I started chrome and it auto turned it off

[solar zealot]

💀

they should make a ublock auto enable extension

[desert cave]

imagine still using chrome

[forest edge]

firefox sucked

I tried it

and if you really love the experience of slamming your head against the wall brave and opera got you covered

[clear ferry]

I'm probably moving off Firefox after 12 years due to recent privacy concerns

Need to figure out what to

I've already moved to soul on Android and it is quite nice actually

[iron granite]

Lynx browser

[primal laurel]

I'm also moving again

[clear ferry]

I enjoy both lynx and links

[primal laurel]

I'm going to try Brave

[mighty rose]

man, I still surprise people with this, but Edge on linux is a decent browser.

and ublock origin still works fine.

and the only use of Copilot that's embedded into it is to make AI generated memes on the fly 😄

but it doesn't always get em right hahahahaha

LOL

well played AI, well played 😄

[clear ferry]

I use edge on linux, to open Salesforce shitty apps

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/m59y309_cpg?si=Vl9zDPo5QZnHVgY_

[analog crow]

is it really encryption, or is it just upping the data rate?

[mighty rose]

by "encrypt" you mean "switch to Gibberlink"?

oh, LOL - it even says Gibberlink on the damn video

yet people still get it wrong

[primal laurel]

do they really have to use such annoying frequencies. Use piano tones or something, much more pleasant

<@&330946878646517761>

[iron granite]

Already gone.

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/startrek-gif-19916490

[deft pewter]

lol

[primal laurel]

?

[deft pewter]

You know Brave is still just a Chromium browser, right? You don't get away from all the Google stuff.

FF is about the only 'mainstream' browser that Google don't influence. And it's barely mainsream with its 1% market share.

[primal laurel]

librewolf then

[deft pewter]

Does this mean that you can't use the web version of Netflix in librewolf?

as well as disabling anti-freedom features like DRM.

[dawn badge]

except for being the majority of their funding 😛

[neon swallow]

Recently got some ikea smart home products like plugs, lamps, dimmers etc.... and it's incredible that they like offer the same products as hue does and sometimes the ikea ones are even more versatile, yet cost 1/5 of the price.

All without using their stupid bridge thing but just regular home assistant with the zigbee dongle

[clear ferry]

Reminded me of my digital modelling pedal, I transfer effects from my mobile phone via the speaker pointed towards the pickups

modem sounds

[mighty rose]

piano tones aren't pure tones, they're groups of tones to make the note.

[clear ferry]

I have bought trådfri for 6 years now, and the quality is leaps beyond hue in my experience, I've had 6 hue bulbs, 2 have died, I've had 80 trådfri bulbs, none have died

[primal laurel]

that could just be bad luck. I have had my 10 hue bulbs for 6 years so far, none have died

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/s/FwSVKVaodW