the-water-cooler

[solar zealot]

Really liked their slim design

[last cedar]

Yeah, they look great, it is a shame tbh

[solar zealot]

Unfortunately every other brand is also 2-4x in price

Maybe there is a firmware update but zha never shows any so I guess not

[civic citrus]

send them to me

[solar zealot]

[civic citrus]

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

oh the glare is so bright!

[deft pewter]

Aqara ftw

[strong sierra]

Chasing damn gremlins in my tuya zigbee contact sensors for months and I think it boiled down to shitty Amazon AAA batteries.

They would lose connection every so often, but re-pairing them to the network would be fine for a bit (days or weeks) with the same batteries. Replaced them with different brand and they all popped up on the network without repairing.

[clear ferry]

Do you turn off their parents by chance? Some devices don't like changing parents

[strong sierra]

Nope, plugged in devices that are never removed. Even then, all but 1 connect direct to the router.

On the flip side, the aqara contacts I bought nearly 7 years ago still have the original batteries

But they are literally 3-5x the price of other offerings now

[weak musk]

I finally gave in this morning. I’ve purchased a year of YouTube premium. I’m both annoyed that I felt like I had to get it because of the amount of ads getting shoved at me and also that I waited so long. I think I’ll break even in like 2 months 😂😭

[forest edge]

what are these ads you speak of?

[weak musk]

The things you see every 5 minutes if you don’t have a pihole or premium

[primal laurel]

ublock origin works fine on every device I own

[weak musk]

I don’t watch it on a computer. Almost exclusively my phone or tv

[primal laurel]

phone blocks it too

just have to use the browser and not the app

havent checked the TV

[forest edge]

I have neither of those and don't see anything every 5 minutes cept the content itself

[weak musk]

What are you doing to block the ads

[forest edge]

just what stefan said

[weak musk]

Oh. Yeah. That’s not a solution that will work for me.

[primal laurel]

why not?

[weak musk]

Because it won’t work on the tv

[primal laurel]

casting always works. I've done that. Haven't tried using the webbrowser on android tv yet

[forest edge]

there are other things like vanced but why not just run something like pihole of adblocker?

[glad osprey]

Got my epg working in home assistant again

[civic citrus]

Something something YouTube mod app

[civic citrus]

Don’t work on YouTube ads but just run vanced

But then again if you use and can pay for YouTube then do

[forest edge]

like how you changed that lol

[weak musk]

Yeah I’m not gonna do any of that. It makes the experience worse for everyone else in the house, I have to deal with updating and maintaining it. 100 bucks a year is well worth what I’m saving in time and frustration.

[civic citrus]

Family pack is worth it 100% if you don’t use Spotify

[clear ferry]

I don't regret a single day of paying for youtube family, no ads for kids whenever we are, and I used to watch YouTube for 4-5h per day when they were babies

[forest edge]

there is uYou+ I seen mentioned in reddit threads. not sure how that works

[civic citrus]

Any Indian or Turkish person here?

[forest edge]

see, just make you all pay so we here don't have to lol

that should be the standard

[civic citrus]

Like me alone sure vanced

But if I had kids

Family it is

[clear ferry]

Enjoy your raised taxes though Sonoma 😤

[civic citrus]

[clear ferry]

You don't make above $361k a year I reckon

[forest edge]

don't pay taxes for youtube..

[clear ferry]

Indirectly

[forest edge]

not sure we pay in any way at all

californians may

well obviously they do since tax credits etc lol

[clear ferry]

Tax is always so infuriating when I'm in the states
"Oh that's cheap"
suddenly adds state tax, then adds city tax

Rest of the world
_this is the price _

[forest edge]

you pay it too, just in a diffrent way

[glacial knot]

well, yea. But we know the price when we look at products

[weak musk]

He’s saying tax inclusive pricing is superior, which it is

[forest edge]

if it's all the same at the end. does it really matter?

[glacial knot]

yes

[clear ferry]

Yes

[glacial knot]

one system provides consumers with all information
the other doesn't

[last cedar]

It is like 300kr a month! Iirc

[weak musk]

It is super nice to walk into a store and see exactly how much something will cost.

[clear ferry]

Is it? It was 179 when I got it

[forest edge]

you can do that here with a bit of knowledge and math skills

[glacial knot]

you mean, it's annoying when price tags lie 😂

[weak musk]

But it’s also hard in the states because the amount taxed can change in the space of a quarter mile.

[last cedar]

279 it seems

[clear ferry]

So both the right of employment and the right of taxation, got it

[last cedar]

Although saying that, you get youtube music too iirc, is it really a spotify replacement though?

[primal laurel]

what if im traveling? should I remember it for every state?

[weak musk]

So it’s really something that would be possible with electronic shelf tags, but stores don’t want to pay for them

[clear ferry]

Like if Americans travel

hah

[weak musk]

lol I have three Targets in my city. The tax assessed is different at all 3.

[forest edge]

nothing prevents someone from asking what something cost in total prior to purchase

[primal laurel]

HOW

[clear ferry]

What the actual fuck

[weak musk]

Yes, it fucking sucks

[primal laurel]

but WHY

[forest edge]

why a lot of things in the world

[primal laurel]

sigh

[glacial knot]

😂

[last cedar]

Why don't I have a pet raccoon, for example?

[forest edge]

we know why

[glacial knot]

imagine you have to take every item to a PoS to figure out the price

[last cedar]

You keep turning them all into filament

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/bottle-of-water-saull-gif-26356875

[clear ferry]

I agree, the employees are piece of shit

[forest edge]

imagine having to worry about the cost of tax in order to buy something

thats how we look at it

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

[clear ferry]

That's exactly what we avoid

[forest edge]

we don't worry about it, thus it's a none issue

[last cedar]

Exactly, you already know the government is taking 25%!

[glacial knot]

yea, you just live in a default of misinformation 🤷

[forest edge]

how so?

[weak musk]

Sonoma, pretend you’re at the poverty line shopping. 5-13% could make or break you.

[primal laurel]

just dont be poor, problem solved

[weak musk]

And having to validate every purchase just adds unnecessary stress and stigma to what is already a hard situation

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-why-didnt-i-think-of-that-hank-scorpio-homer-simpson-you-only-move-twice-gif-20385109

[forest edge]

not sure what to make of this perception you have.. as we already established.. everyone pays taxes one way or the other.. soo what diffrence does it make?

[glacial knot]

knowing the price or not

like, the obvious one

[clear ferry]

Yes

[weak musk]

I don’t understand how you’re making this controversial

[glacial knot]

less of a problem these days, but when cash was more common it wasn't even poverty
just immediately accessible funds in general

[forest edge]

if tax is a concern.. it's something you shouldn't even be looking at...

[clear ferry]

[primal laurel]

it's impressive right

[glacial knot]

yea, if you ignore reality it's not a problem

[forest edge]

disagreeing with the big deal of how taxes are applied makes it controversial?

everyone is suppose to just agree with otyher countries logic?

[weak musk]

I’ve literally paid for a mother trying to buy fever meds for their baby because she was short 32 cents. Like that’s so fucking avoidable.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-reality-eminem-oh-there-goes-gravity-rapping-gif-14126619

[glacial knot]

thinking that not including it isn't striclty worse
whether it's by a lot is a different matter

[last cedar]

You are a good person

[clear ferry]

Can we rename ender - beginner instead

Much more positive

He didn't end that mother right there

[iron granite]

🤔

[last cedar]

Ended her 32 cent debt though

[glacial knot]

he did end the (immediate) money troubles

[last cedar]

Hahaha

[clear ferry]

[weak musk]

You all will be shocked when you find out ender isn’t my irl name

[primal laurel]

you play minecraft?

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-stewart-mild-shock-shocked-shock-mild-gif-5292523

[glacial knot]

is it Steve?

[weak musk]

Negative

[iron granite]

His name is Eduard Newton Der

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/dwight-theoffice-identitytheft-not-a-joke-gif-4948829

[weak musk]

Jorg you win!

[iron granite]

Who doesn't know you from TV?

[clear ferry]

I always use my full given name as a nick, helps me avoid taxes, atxbyea DROP DATABASE

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/buggles-video-killed-the-radio-star-new-wave-synthpop-80s-music-gif-16262084

[last cedar]

This brings back memories

(Not the 80s, but GTA)

[weak musk]

Does anyone remember the 80s?

[last cedar]

Actually

Is it 80s?

[clear ferry]

Barely

[last cedar]

70s?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-reaction-me-too-yes-acknowledge-me-gif-27117775

80's was awesome

[last cedar]

It was 1979

Apparently

[forest edge]

just past excessive hair in all the wrong places and before people became lazy

[weak musk]

It’s 79

Way too slow

I did not exist

[last cedar]

Me neither, I am a late 80s raccoon

[primal laurel]

according to recruiters my name is {firstName}

[weak musk]

How do you pronounce the {} when speaking to them

[last cedar]

Left curly bracket

[forest edge]

see this explains all the frustration in this server. you all missed the best years

[last cedar]

Right curly bracket

[primal laurel]

HEKJEEEEEEEEEEE

[forest edge]

life without ever knowing the 80's would seem bleak to me too

[last cedar]

I miss being able to do TTS when you join teamspeak, you could call yourself {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze isn't that right?

[last cedar]

Hillarious

[glacial knot]

god, teamspeak

how old are you again?

[last cedar]

37

Played a lot of Americas Army and then CS Source with teamspeak

And then Ventrillo

[sharp briar]

I understand people's right to protest but gosh this is frustrating to come across when trying to solve things lol

[forest edge]

lol counter strike

[sharp briar]

It's like the old forum thread's where you'd just get a "nvm solved" from 3 years ago

[forest edge]

cheater game of the world

[clear ferry]

I hosted teamspeak servers on a dual premium pro system in 2004

[glacial knot]

I tried AA once or so

[weak musk]

The worst.

[last cedar]

I was awful at it, but I had a lot of fun

[weak musk]

Especially for really obscure things

[glacial knot]

is that how your habit of hosting half of norway started?

[clear ferry]

Already earlier, I started hosting online in 98

And then I just did the entire country

[last cedar]

The only thing I was remotely okay at was Unreal Tournament 2004 playing Onslaught, I got ranked fairly well in that for a few months

[clear ferry]

I played in the European RTCW:ET leagues

And some of the quakeleagues

[forest edge]

I didn't like UT 2004 as much as UT99

[last cedar]

Then I got into World of Warcraft (TBC) and we still used Ventrillo

[weak musk]

The only online games I played to the point of being ranked/good at were Jedi outcast and Jedi academy.

[glacial knot]

paying for an MMO just never sat quite right with me

[clear ferry]

Come think of it, I started playing online games in 1992

[last cedar]

I wasted 17 hours a day on WoW

[forest edge]

?

[last cedar]

I can't ever play it again

[forest edge]

do tell what games in 92

[clear ferry]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_of_the_Red_Dragon

[last cedar]

I was so addicted

[forest edge]

that's really stretching what can be considered multipler lol

[unborn merlin]

welcome to reddit.

also there are probably waybacks of that maybe? 🤷‍♂️

[clear ferry]

I never said multiplayer

But it was

[last cedar]

I hate posts like that omg

[unborn merlin]

its what happens when reddit is shitty

[forest edge]

"games" like zork etc.. I just have trouble with actually calling a game

[unborn merlin]

I imagine its probably about having blocked third party clients that were friendlier to those with issues reading; probably

[forest edge]

even oregon trail had images

[clear ferry]

@weak musk now he is making it controversial again for no reason, what should we do

[forest edge]

lulz

[weak musk]

Hard to say

[clear ferry]

End him!

It is your bane

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-funny-memes-gif-24899028

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-batman-evil-gif-14584844

[forest edge]

I think the power went out at the barn

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-slapping-charlie-murphy-chappelle-chappelles-gif-20069417

[bright cradle]

The original 1971 oregon trail was text based and written in BASIC. You're thinking of the 1980 remake.

[warm arch]

Can we have any sneakpeak for 2025.3 :)

[glacial knot]

https://github.com/home-assistant/core (find the dev branch)

[forest edge]

yea. computers weren't really mainstream in the 70's

[bright cradle]

Says you. I was there.

[forest edge]

so was i

[bright cradle]

and who brought "mainstream" into the conversation?

[forest edge]

but don't remember them being everywhere

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[bright cradle]

Computers were a solitary experience back then, before the internet and before modems. How would you even expect to know what people were doing with them?

it's not like people were throwing lan parties in the 70s

[forest edge]

really only saw them for data entry. don't think I knew a single person who had a home computer in the 70's

[clear ferry]

Most homes had computers from the mid 80s in Norway, and everyone had internet from the early 90s, became quite commonplace quickly here

And fun fact, Norway was the first country that connected to arpanet outside the us

[bright cradle]

that's pretty cool, I had no idea Norway was so progressive with connectivity like that

[clear ferry]

Yeah, we got FTTH in 2004

[forest edge]

stick around in this channel and you'll be taught..

||lmao||

[primal laurel]

europoors, always so far behind the US

[bright cradle]

I was the Fidonet echo link between the US and Netherlands for a while in the 80s

when 9600 baud hit the market with the USR HST

[clear ferry]

Brrrrr 9600

I remember my dad brought that home in 91

Us robotics, red LEDs

[bright cradle]

I could only afford the courier modems through their sysop purchase program

[forest edge]

I actively try and forget the phone modem days

[bright cradle]

It was a fun time

[forest edge]

damnit now I just remembered aol. you guys suck

[clear ferry]

Thankfully dialup was dead by 98

Or tbf,95

I'm not sure if I would say isdn was dial up

[bright cradle]

There were still lots of areas in the US stuck with dialup into the early 2000s. I wouldn't say ISDN was dial up just because it was 24/7 always on and not hourly metered

[clear ferry]

There was no brrrrr kzt kzt brrrr

[bright cradle]

even if the speeds weren't a huge leap, always on is a huge difference in service and how you used the internet

[clear ferry]

128k baby, dual lines

[forest edge]

still places in 2025. but thankfully 4g covers more ground as an alternative

[clear ferry]

4g is starting to die out already with 5g and even more so private 5g

[forest edge]

my farm which is just outside the city limits is dialup or cell service

crazy stuff

[primal laurel]

private 5g lmao

[bright cradle]

I worked with NetZero a bit and that had to be 2002 maybe? They were one of the places trying to work out free dialup in exchange for serving ads and stuff to customers. Horrible experience, kinda like the bargain bin mobile carriers these days

[glacial knot]

WWAN broadband 😂

[glacial knot]

yea, DECT is out 😮

[clear ferry]

Yes, we are selling tons of it

[clear ferry]

That was a name I hadn't heard in over a decade

[glacial knot]

🤷 old people here still like ti for landlines

[primal laurel]

to who? factories?

[clear ferry]

Yes, lots of industrial, but also to supermarkets and small companies

[ocean oar]

The places I've heard the most about using it around here are ports (sea, not air)

[clear ferry]

Yes those are big too

Hospitals are also looking into it

[glacial knot]

I'm surprised super markets don't use some 802.11 based comms

[clear ferry]

They have done that for decades already

[glacial knot]

or maybe 802.15 family

[clear ferry]

Tracking carts and similar

And product placement

[ocean oar]

TBH most hospitals I've been into desperately need something just to have reception deep inside the building at all

[clear ferry]

Not really been a problem here tbh, I've rolled out some of the biggest hospitals in the country, and even though the telephone coverage is good enough by far even in the basements the fully covered wifi + voice over wifi helps a lot

[glacial knot]

I don't see how it helps in product placement

[clear ferry]

Each hospital will be around 1400 APs

[glacial knot]

and for tracking, 802.11 or BLE should work fine 🤷

[bright cradle]

It seems like WiFi calling on phones has gotten a lot more reliable and well-supported, which is really nice

[clear ferry]

I.e
Sensors on shelves, if an item is picked up, then returned and another item picked up next to it (weight sensor or camera or both) they can redo their products placement

And if they track the carts with BLE they can see if someone who picked up chips goes backwards in the store to pickup something else often they can place those two items together

[clear ferry]

Yeah it has been for close to a decade good now

[glacial knot]

You mean, far apart. not together, right? because they want you to walk through the entire store to spontaneously buy something you see

[clear ferry]

No, they want the items closer

Bigger chance of purchasing together based on other people patterns

[unborn merlin]

oh yeah well we got FTTH like 10 years later for 20x the cost! /s

[bright cradle]

For much of the US, internet is a wasteland of high prices and CGNAT, or Nazi satellites

[dawn badge]

thats a bit far

[unborn merlin]

which part the high prices or the nazi sats? 😛

[iron granite]

A short reminder:
Please keep politics out of this channel. And don't "nazify" stuff.

[primal laurel]

everything is politics

[silent dove]

The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re looking for support and unsure where to go, check out https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 - it should help you find where you are going. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

[bright cradle]

Saying that Zork isn't a game is obviously contentious! 🙂

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-accept-it-acceptance-zorg-fifth-element-gif-23403226

[clear ferry]

You finally got it?

[forest edge]

To each their own right

[bright cradle]

Discord is multiplayer Notepad

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/user-wrong-touch-out-gif-21505547

[forest edge]

Rather go back to Skype? lol

[last cedar]

God no

[clear ferry]

That's how I imagine it when I am with four colleagues in the same excel spreadsheet on SharePoint

[glacial knot]

clearly competitive

[bright cradle]

some servers are coop and some are pvp, I guess

[forest edge]

Mixed country servers are always pvp lol

Should see my StarCraft discord server

Got so bad it's literally split into two lol

[static schooner]

Back to groups of animals, I was amused to see a 'bloat of hippos' used in the wild today: https://www.threads.net/@abcnews/post/DGYgVARNtHd?xmt=AQGz2CKf41aCaisKTBOU8HyOKNNENFe04jdxuefw9lcoGQ

A journalist checked an item off the bucket list today

[unborn merlin]

good thing he stayed way the fuck back

hippos are.. like.. fairly close to game-like monsters, things that fat looking should not fucking be moving as fast as they can move..

[static schooner]

You kinda think that they spend so much time in the water because they need it to support their weight, but then one starts chasing you on land...

[unborn merlin]

hippos in water.. hippos on land

https://tenor.com/view/rock-lee-weights-naruto-chunin-exams-flex-gif-26433140

them legs. 😛

all regular hippos are bastards.

we need more..

https://tenor.com/view/moo-deng-moo-deng-bite-moo-deng-biting-moo-deng-cute-moo-deng-hippo-gif-4173826080546832990

[primal laurel]

Weird looking dog

[unborn merlin]

pygmy hippo.. 😛

https://tenor.com/view/moo-deng-untethered-rage-angry-mad-gif-17945179565260146720

[static schooner]

and a nutcracker for a jaw

[iron granite]

It is made of cake.

[clear ferry]

Hippo is my spirit animal

I want to trample customers more often than you'd like

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/phatearl-gif-18172369093907410204

[unborn merlin]

any retail worker or service worker has had this thought more than once

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-fist-gif-23915056

[clear ferry]

I thankfully haven't worked in retail in 22 years

[unborn merlin]

I think retail or former retail workers should just band together and take a state. 😛

[clear ferry]

Now I don't even have to mingle with people, I still want to trample them

[unborn merlin]

you're not allowed in without having been confirmed as a retail worker

karens will be shot (with water cannons) at the state line. 😛

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/triggerd-gif-19804742

[unborn merlin]

you have not dealt with karens until you've worked..

retail pharmacy

karen, when karen wants her goddamn xanax

or when her kids medication..

dares to cost money

[clear ferry]

I would also be angry at paying two months paycheck for a basic medication

[unborn merlin]

most of te time around like

flu season

because tamiflu has a high copay.

Because it barely fucking does anything if you've been sick more than like a day..

And you can't get tested that early or know you've got the flu then so..

its basically only proper useful if you're using it prophylactically

so insurances will do like.. 100$ copays on that with deductibles.

"YOU WANT MY CHILD TO DIE!"

"No, your insurance is charging the price."

[clear ferry]

You guys and your copay and deductibles

[unborn merlin]

no no, its "Freedom" to die in medical debt.

[clear ferry]

Is this what you expect when you order from AliExpress @forest edge

[unborn merlin]

yeah aliexpress has been getting better with delivery dates..

by a lot.

[clear ferry]

I've had 10-14 days for the last 6 years

[unborn merlin]

sometimes its a lot faster..

... tho large things can be hit or miss at times

[sly solar]

This time of year can be highly variable due to lunar new year.

[light spindle]

Trying to get a m5stack gray to work with ESPHome is giving me more white hairs than my 46th birthday really. Little annoying thing. In their defence, that's a very old model

[clear ferry]

You guys have hair?

[forest edge]

Is that why or is something else that makes being your spirit animal a better fit?

My god easter candy is high lol

[clear ferry]

What is this, dementia hour?

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-gif-18753095

[clear ferry]

[lone dagger]

Tall cat tree broken down to toss out.

Bookshelf moved to left side of the loft TV.

Coffee table moved under the TV.

Ethernet cable adjusted and taped to the base board.

Couch and area rug spot cleaned.

2/3 of the loft are floor mopped.

Cobwebs vacuumed from ceiling.

Walls scrubbed.

😮‍💨

[ocean oar]

Cobwebs vacuumed from ceiling
I need to do this. Have been putting it off.

That gets done much more often

Have a few of these ones https://www.mi.com/global/product/xiaomi-smart-standing-fan-2-pro/
Mildly annoying that there's one tiny (and probably easily lost) screw, but once you take that out it's all hand-disassembly. Gets vacuumed and reassembled

Actually not quite that one, have the non-battery model. But looks the same

[primal laurel]

I spent all day writing CSS for a fucking blog post. Am I a web dev now

[lone dagger]

I can’t find my angled vacuum brush for this otherwise I’d have done that, too.

[weak musk]

Another thing to 3d print

[lone dagger]

How would I print the bristles?

[ocean oar]

https://www.printables.com/model/119009-the-hairy-lion
Like this, but with flexible filament?

[lone dagger]

😂

[ocean oar]

I own 2 vacuums and neither is 100% ideal for dusting the fans.
Usually gets done with the ESD-safe vacuum because its flexi hose and nozzle are a bit easier than the Dyson stick (for which the brushes are quite short)

[lone dagger]

Ooh found it in my bedroom! Thought it was in my office lol.

[weak musk]

Or a wand (printed or otherwise) that can hold a microfiber cloth works

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/doofy-cleaning-scary-movie-gif-14364306

[stuck anchor]

just make sure you give the web developers time to move aside before vacuuming away their old deployments

[solar zealot]

anyone noticed wether funkwhale just shut down?

idiots who put their stuff on a private gitlab instance because surely that will go well

(it did not, the gitlab is unavailable)

[forest edge]

never had a sim card go bad before but think maybe that is what is happening with the barn modem

[late latch]

folks, does anyone know of any good wifi receiver I can use for my TV?

i think I could use a decent AP/Router for this

i just have a samsung tv which has a pretty terrible wifi card. wifi in my living room is great (AP is right next) but the TV disconnects constantly

ideally I’d run a cable but it’s too complicated

so I’m thinking I put in a router set to “AP” mode

[dawn badge]

#1284966353798697001 with recomendations tag

[simple gazelle]

I gather that the assembled like racoons. How about a Japanese Racoon Dog, which is neither a racoon, or a dog?

[normal mist]

updated HA - all matter devices unavailable

yay lol

[weak musk]

#1284966617670881350 can probably help you out

[normal mist]

I was too quick to judge. Unraid 7 update b0rked ipv6 and thus thread and matter. 😩

[desert cave]

time to install proxmox :D

[dawn badge]

unraid makes me sad

[forest edge]

channel is super dead tonight.

[clear ferry]

Pretty impressive to bork 25 year old protocol in a single update, but unRAID tries to be as shit as truenas I guess

[mighty rose]

man, I wish there was someone smarter than me that could convert my NodeRED flow for an A/C vent control to a HA plugin / integration.

the hacks required in nodered is pretty...... special lol

[forest edge]

don't you mean automation?

nodered was pretty complicated when I messed around with it but not sure that there isn't anything you can do in it that you can't do in normal HA automations at this point

[clear ferry]

Node red was always ha automations with extra steps for me, I saw no actual value in it

[forest edge]

stand alone it's pretty neat

[mighty rose]

this nodered flow does raw TCP stuff to the device

so its a lot more than a basic automation

it also abuses the hell out of the homeassistant-nodered addon to create entities lol

it also has to talk to HA via websockets

[warm arrow]

hmm ... Scenes is full of scenes I didn't create and which can't be deleted. I wonder where these all come from.

[forest edge]

improv recordings

[clear ferry]

I need to improve my nail polish skills @last cedar @lone dagger

[last cedar]

GIEF

[last cedar]

You need a 2nd coat on the lighter colours

5/7 would let you paint my nails

[clear ferry]

5/7 destroys my ocd brain

The lighter colours are kids polish which is why it doesn't adhere properly

[stuck anchor]

i used to be quite good at doing minions when my daughter was younger. and then we got to where she used my nails for practice.

[solar zealot]

I don't believe this hand belongs to atx

Must be a fake

[primal laurel]

thanks, AI

[solar zealot]

Hehe

[burnt kernel]

Anyone using and controlling any Bluetooth only Light Bulb by Aliexpress from Home Assistant?
i got it added to device list using tuya (non local), but can't control it since there are no controls available.
If i try using tuya local it only finds the wifi-bluetooth gateways and no other bluetooth only device.
Any ideo on how to control light bulbs from smart home? (Tuya or local tuya wil be both fine).
Thanks in advance

[solar zealot]

Likely but there is no support in here.

[burnt kernel]

do you have a fix?

[solar zealot]

#find-support most likely #1284966582375813201

[burnt kernel]

i just did it: https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1343216497266397205
Thanks in advance

[hearty palm]

Question for the community in the video showing off what you can do with the Assist feature in home assistant

this one to be exact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF53wUbeLxA&t=6s

does anyone know what device is the first one shown the walkie talkie type device

[stuck anchor]

wireless handset for old analog phone? i had something similar

[warm arrow]

Best tip I was ever given about that was to set the brush down approximately in the middle of the nail and then first push inwards (go a little left, go a little right) before pulling it outwards off the nail. With a few hours of practice, you very quickly get very pretty nails that way.

[clear ferry]

Aye, that is the technique I'm trying at least

[warm arrow]

You'll get better quickly 🙂
2nd best tip I was ever given was to put the nails into ice water for a few minutes. Polish gets hard so much faster.

[clear ferry]

Here I am blowing on six hands like a neanderthal

Gotta try that

[lone dagger]

I’m in need of a fill, but that’s next weekend.

[clear ferry]

Hey that's cheating

(I'm assuming they are glue on)

[austere anchor]

Still have to polish them.

[warm arrow]

What does a fill refer to here, in English?

[lone dagger]

No, these are what’s called builder gel. It’s a thinner alternative to acrylic nails.

[lone dagger]

It means I need to get the nail growth “filled in”. If you look at my nails close to the cuticle, you can see a small amount of real nail. That needs to be filled with new material. This is 2 weeks of nail growth, I get them filled every 3 weeks.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/paprikafume-slay-queen-yass-gif-4949323800604154313

[raw flax]

I'm too scared to ask how expensive that is

[lone dagger]

In the grand scheme of things, it’s not that expensive for my set aside “self care”. It’s $55 to get these either new or filled, and I tip $10-15 depending on if it’s around the weekend I get paid. It can easily get up to $100 at some salons - the technicians I see do amazing work for their price, I’ve been seeing them for 3 years now.

[quiet mantle]

well- my ha has been stuck on updating core for almost 30 min

😅

of course it finishes not long after I sent that message :p

must’ve been a huge upgrade huh?

[undone jolt]

What a weird coincidence... was just going to search YT for nail polish tips 💅 when I open my laptop to see some at HA water cooler 🤣 #the-water-cooler message

[iron granite]

Are you using one of the Google integrations?

[undone jolt]

Not that I know of 🤔

what again is in default_conig? 🤣

[iron granite]

[clear ferry]

DEFAULT KÖNIG

sudden german noises

[warm arrow]

wait, getting them new is the same price as getting them filled o_O

[lone dagger]

For this type of material, yes. Acrylic is about $15 cheaper, but I also break those very easily. Haven’t broken any nails using builder gel yet!

[warm arrow]

Did you see the guy with the solid metal nails?

@BilletLabs on YT ... these look sick, and no breaking them ever. I just wish I had the skills to build some like them.

[undone jolt]

Seems base coat is really worth the hassle 😄

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/ready-to-fight-logan-wolverine-deadpool-%26-wolverine-ready-for-combat-gif-14649007747768500673

[deft pewter]

That's him

[tidal bronze]

Any tips on best flat nail polish?

[solar zealot]

dont drink it

[lone dagger]

The cheaper it is, the worse quality it has. OPI is what professionals use and it’s easy to access as a regular consumer.

[lone dagger]

I love getting chrome glitter done!

This was the last time I got that done.

[tidal bronze]

Stainless steel?

[clear ferry]

I knew you were wolverine

[warm arrow]

Nice!

Y'all know mooncat.com, right?

[static schooner]

Seems like my region moved from Little Brownie Bakers to ABC for Girl Scout cookies and it seems like a downgrade

I concur with this assessment, at least for Samoas and Thin Mints: https://www.thedailymeal.com/eat/girl-scout-cookie-taste-comparison-abc-little-brownie-bakers/

The ABC Thin Mints leave a weirdly bitter aftertaste. Not a fan

[unborn merlin]

sounds worth a crusade to me

https://tenor.com/view/die-gun-shotgun-deus-vult-gif-17767114

[static schooner]

This year, Girl Scouts San Diego will be partnering with ABC Bakers.
Pfft

[unborn merlin]

"partnering"

[static schooner]

On the plus side, I won't feel as tempted when exiting the supermarket

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-emi-no-gif-1691911365670139943

[static schooner]

After selling cookies made by Little Brownie Bakers for many years, the council changed to ABC Bakers, which makes many of the same varieties, but some under other names. The exceptions are Thin Mints, Trefoils and Adventurefuls, which go by the same name at both bakeries. There are also some new flavors.

[gritty drift]

I feel like this is a SUPER noob question. What can I use to define a static number? ie I want to enter the electrical cost in a single place, and then refer to that entity in the energy panels (vs entering the same number 50 times). Our prices change twice a year and I'd prefer to just edit one variable.
I thought I could use a number type helper, but that lets me define a range, but it still needs to be set somehow/where

[unborn merlin]

helpers.

[ocean oar]

Mine changes a lot more often (peak/off peak, plus a daily free window, and different for weekday/weekend) so I made a template helper.

{% set O = 0.2908 %}
{% set P = 0.5816 %}
{% set WD = [ O, O, O, O, O, O, O, P, P, O, O, O, 0, O, O, O, O, P, P, P, P, O, O, O ] %}
{% set WE = [ O, O, O, O, O, O, O, O, O, O, O, O, 0, O, O, O, O, O, O, O, O, O, O, O ] %}
{{ [ WD, WD, WD, WD, WD, WE, WE ][now().weekday()][now().hour] }}

(O, P in $/kWh for off peak, peak)
(WD has morning and evening peak, WE is all off-peak, and 12:00-13:00 free hence one of those O replaced by a 0)
You could do something similar with months/days, I guess.

But it does the trick:

[gritty drift]

I think we will be moving to a similar setup in 2026

I'm actually watching a video on template helpers right now 🙂

[stuck anchor]

around here the price changes hourly based on spot prices on NordPool, luckily there is an integration for that. my meter reader also pulls the prices from nordpool, so i could get the info through that entity, but the ready made integration is easier.

[primal laurel]

https://github.com/TheFes/cheapest-energy-hours

maybe useful

[torpid tinsel]

Trying to find out why HA does not show any artwork from kodi and failing miserably. When I do a separate API request to Kodi, the correct artwork is provided. So, is it a HA Kodi integration thing or something else.

[primal laurel]

This is not a support channel

[torpid tinsel]

True, just looking guidance as to were to go for support.

[austere anchor]

Probably #1284966582375813201

[torpid tinsel]

Already added a post 17 days ago. I am under the impression that it is to technical.

[gritty drift]

Maybe not, but there is a MUCH better chance of getting responses to questions in an open chat vs the ticket channels.

[primal laurel]

yes, many people are complaining, but this is the way it is

[iron granite]

And a much better chance to be reminded by a mod about the channel topic.

English only!

[silent dove]

Rule 3

No typing in any other language than English; we cannot moderate different languages.

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-eating-popcorn-keith-morrison-dateline-snl-gif-25666169

[forest edge]

lol this channel

[vague owl]

I'm not sure where the right place to ask this is but are the tarrifs in effect right now? I want to order something from aliexpress since its much cheaper than Amazon

[forest edge]

yes.. went into effect earlier this month

[vague owl]

Well dident they put a temporaily pause on it?

[forest edge]

oh.. maybe. not seen anything

[weak musk]

Honestly? It changes daily. Google would be a better source than here.

[vague owl]

True, ill see what i can find

[gritty drift]

Mexico and Canada are on hold. I thought China went into effect

Well, what I see is that the majority of the questions in the support channels are highly technical...
Which means...
Only advanced users are asking them
Non-advanced users think they can't or shouldn't ask questions (ie too scared to)

I know I've asked 5 or 6 questions over the last two months and only gotten one answer that wasn't very helpful.

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-luke-skywalker-this-is-not-going-to-go-the-way-you-think-mark-hamill-the-last-jedi-gif-17247094663710973572

[vague owl]

Yeah id figured someone would possibly know in here from buying cheap sensors from Ali, as i never ordered from aliexpress before

[forest edge]

you live west coast, middle or east?

[vague owl]

East

[forest edge]

then it may not take 2 years in delivery for you

[vague owl]

Yeah i see the ETA is like March 01-05 i think

[weak musk]

No one is paid to be here, everyone volunteers. So if you’re not getting answers your question or title may need more details or clarity OR no one knows the answer.

[vague owl]

Thats if i were to buy it

[forest edge]

I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the estimation date regardless lol

[tender prism]

Their delivery has been 2 weeks or less to the flyover states since December.

[forest edge]

but if your on a coast you may get it before you grow old and die

[forest edge]

oh? wonder what changed?

cause the mail delievery has gotten worse not better and it's generally what many ali stuff ships through

[vague owl]

If i did go aliexpress i would only save like $30 i think for what im buying (multiple items)

[tender prism]

It goes to a warehouse and doordash drivers or equiv deliver to the nouses. Temu also.

[forest edge]

no joke?

[tender prism]

You, we'ss see a person delivering them in a car that is full to the windows with little white bags.

[gritty drift]

I have found buying from a manufacturer website or something close is cheaper than amaon, and faster than Temu/Ali.

[forest edge]

interesting and slightly distruburbing lol

[vague owl]

Oh ok, i'm pretty much buying all the hardware for this project: https://github.com/yanshay/SpoolEase

[gritty drift]

I bought a lot from https://us.itead.cc/
The temp sensors were almost 1/2 the price as Amazon! Took two days to prep/ship, and 3 days to get here. Ordered on Sunday, had everything on Friday.

[gritty drift]

That's a cool project 🙂

[vague owl]

Yeah, he finnaly released the source code today i think, and it seems better than OpenSpool as it has no custom boards

[gritty drift]

Over the last 4 months I have determine that I'm good at the technical stuff, but can't build a dashboard to save my life!

[unborn merlin]

its always going to be cheaper

on aliexpress.

[vague owl]

I tried an ESP32 screen for a simple control panel, but then just went to a Fire Tab and i have no regrets

[unborn merlin]

remember, amazon is basically just an aliexpress reseller after all. 😛

[vague owl]

Yeah with Markups, like the screen i need for that project is $22 on Ali and $40 on Amazon

I would love to just checkout but im concerned about all those tarrifs

[gritty drift]

I bought 50 3' tall skeletons from Temu for about $10 each. They were $30-50 on Amazon. It just took a month to get here 😛

[unborn merlin]

i haven't hit any issues. 🤷‍♂️

[vague owl]

Oh ok

So it looks like the De Minimis was paused on Febuary 7th

[unborn merlin]

they tried to drop the 800$ or whatever

[vague owl]

but the 10% tarrif remains in effect

[unborn merlin]

but then realized (by having literally anyone with a fucking functional brainstem) say

"Hey, you need to give us like.. a fuckton more staffing and hours to actually be able to do this."

Probably.

[gritty drift]

IIRC there is still a minimum amount before the tariff hits. So a $200 order isn't going to trigger it. It's how/why Temu/Ali exists, they live in that minimum order area.

[unborn merlin]

and also none of the pakcages (even on 900$+ total orders) i've ever made have had more than like 200-400$ in them

because of how repackaging works and grouping/etc

[forest edge]

isn't temu about to get banned from the US?

[unborn merlin]

who knows, the USA is a very stupid country and they can try all they want but temu will just..

.... move to another app name

[gritty drift]

And IIRC the shipper pays the tarrif, so they would increase the prices on the website.

The US is a f'ing disaster right now (yes I live in the US)

[forest edge]

ah yes the typical circumventing ban tactics

[unborn merlin]

play stupid games; win stupid prizes.

[vague owl]

Would AliExpress live chat be able to answer any questions about the tarrifs?

[unborn merlin]

doubtful; its not their problem

[forest edge]

wasn't that part of the whole ban thing to begin with?

i need to relook that back up

[unborn merlin]

no that was literally about israel, that guy came out and admitted it.. 🙃

[forest edge]

too much stuff has been going on to fully absorb all the shit that flys across the news anymore lol

oh ok so nothing stuck as of yet

[forest edge]

this thing is a complete waste if money but was curious so ordered one

[dawn badge]

whats the issue with it?

[forest edge]

not really practical because a smart plug would achieve the same result. thing dosen't even save on sticking out from outlet space

[dawn badge]

so just a "solution in search of a problem" type deal then?

[forest edge]

there might be some intances where it would be better than a smart plug. least thing dosen't require a ground plug etc

[dawn badge]

it might be more useful if it was designed to go on the device end instead of the source end

[forest edge]

thats another thing, it could technically go "in-line"

[ocean oar]

If you just made it this but electronic (and preferably USB-C), I think it'd be more useful for a lot of things

[dawn badge]

i feel it probably has some edge cases of usefulness, but in alot of cases... yeah a smartplug is probably easier and better

[forest edge]

second sonoff thing I ever bought lol

[ocean oar]

I have a couple of power strips with always-on USB power supplies built in. Could see using it with that, although I don't really have anything using those which doesn't just get unplugged when not in use.

[dawn badge]

i havent tried any sonoff stuff but from what people have said. they seem to be decent enough value

[forest edge]

my first thing was their rf bridge which I still use. reflashed with something else but the hardwareisstillin use

damn space bar

don't buy razer keyboard

[dawn badge]

yeah... i have heard razer stuff doesnt last very long

[forest edge]

mice seem fine but the headsets and keyboards have really gone down hill

[keen bridge]

I use them with 6" extensions on multi USB bricks. Great for decorative lights when the same switch is also powering a raspberry pi or similar.

[forest edge]

yea I could see the in line use

plugging directly into the power brick is going to suck which is really the only use atm I have for it. I knew that before buying too but wanted to try it lol

brick is one of those wyze bricks too and those things stick out a good chunk as is

[weak musk]

Does anyone make usb bricks where the usb cable plugs in 90* to the wall?

Non smart

[ocean oar]

I've seen a lot of UK ones over the years that are this kind of form factor, very few with other styles of mains plugs

[dawn badge]

yeah this type of thing

[ocean oar]

I was about to ask "why have you plugged a flash drive into a power supply", but that's probably a Zigbee repeater or something isn't it?

[dawn badge]

its an esp32, I use a few like this for espresence

[ocean oar]

Fun form factor

[forest edge]

how does those work with those outlet that set in?

[ocean oar]

https://lilygo.cc/products/t-dongle-s3 This?

[glacial knot]

The shape is already there
Just needs a sticker for the plug to look like an HA logo

[dawn badge]

its a cheap AE one i got a while back. and they are not great because the built in antenna is crap

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006871558930.html

[dawn badge]

this is the adapter - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004577931066.html

[forest edge]

lol says it right in the name ch343p.. cheap

[dawn badge]

they are cheap and nasty but for the job its fine. if they blow up then i don't lose much

i have used a couple of them for other sensors too. they do the job fine as long as your not trying to max them out

[restive flame]

How are people handling things like temporarily delaying/disabling notifications? I have done a couple things but haven’t found something that seems to scale well. think this could be a good option to include in the service calls ideally

[forest edge]

oh I was thinking of AU outlets with the inset

[smoky birch]

Is this a good place to ask for advice on a networking problem I want to solve? Don’t see any other channel just trying to solicit feedback

Not HA networking ^ more of just a home network configuration I’d like to do

[forest edge]

if you are referring to automations then #1284980040940912641 is what you want

[forest edge]

as long as it's not related to HA then sure

the #the-workshop is another place probably better suited for more in-depth responses to ideas etc but general questions might land you a response in here

[smoky birch]

So… I’m trying to prevent Google Ads/Google Services from showing up on my Android TV - ideally I want specific IPs/domains (WAN) to be allowed to send data to the device but nothing else.

On my router I’ve been able to block all data coming into my TV, but now that I want to whitelist an IP/domain that isn’t going to work.

Any suggestions on how to do a whitelist like this? My thought was maybe a local proxy server that blocks everything except the one domain I let through

I’ll repost in Workshop if nobody’s got ideas here

[dawn badge]

pihole

[forest edge]

yea

you can even run adguard from like opnsense

[smoky birch]

So.. I’ve got AdGuard Home - aka pihole - problem though is that Google likely cycles IPs and Domains so they’re subject to change. I’d have to constantly maintain a blocklist where I manually add all of their domains constantly

That seems like a ton of maintenance - unless there’s some block all feature idk about

[forest edge]

well isn't what what the lists are for you subscribe too?

[smoky birch]

Maybe I should be asking this in the Adguard server if they have one

[forest edge]

those perodically update

so you wouldn't have to do it yourself

[dawn badge]

its going to be a bit of a moving target. usually the adlists update though?

[smoky birch]

Yeah… the moving target is what I want to avoid. I have a fixed IP/domain that I want to let through that won’t change - idk - to me, it seems like there should be a trivial way w/o a list

[forest edge]

in chrome once in a awhile the ads on youtube do manage to sneak in but rarely lasts longer than half an hour or so

[smoky birch]

Blocking everything except something.com

[hoary canyon]

Have you considered just changing the launcher to block most of them?

[dawn badge]

i havent used adguard but on pihole you could set the client to a whitelist instead of a blacklist

[hoary canyon]

Projectivy Launcher is great on Android TV/Google TV

[smoky birch]

I haven’t used a custom launcher - didn’t know they exist for atvs - but I’ll give it a look.

[smoky birch]

I’ll have to look- I think it blocks for everything on the network - which is problematic because I do want google services on my desktop - just not the tracking through the TV

[forest edge]

curious how well those work since tv's with built in android generally have shit hardware with bare min ram

[hoary canyon]

way better

made my tv buttery smooth

[smoky birch]

This TV I have is pretty garbage, the default launcher is laggy

[dawn badge]

you should be able to specify different rules per client

[smoky birch]

I’ll dive in and see and report back

Fingers crossed

I looked at the launcher - it doesn’t look very pretty 😔

[hoary canyon]

you can customize it

tons of customizability

ill send a picture in a second here.

[smoky birch]

Might do both if I can - custom launcher that doesn’t constantly tell me my internet is disconnected would be nice

[hoary canyon]

screensaver is the aerial views app (pulled from Apple TV screensavers)

[smoky birch]

Where can I get this exact theme

[hoary canyon]

You have to customize it

the wallpaper is shuffled from the Projectivy Unsplash

I can screenshot my settings whenever you get it fully setup

[smoky birch]

Progress update - was able to get a custom filtering rule in AGH to block everything on the device, except my attempts at whitelisting seem to fail :/

Got it!

||*^$client='Android TV'
@@||domain1.com^$client='Android TV'^$important
@@||domain2.com^$client='Android TV'^$important

Blocks everything for the 'Android TV' client I set up and then unblocked the two custom domains 🤘

I'll have to sideload the custom launcher on there, but I'll work on that soon

Appreciate the help here @hoary canyon @dawn badge

Projectivity launcher uses location though... I mean, no match for the block, but it's also not OSS :/

FLauncher might be the best OSS alternative so far

So many dead repos, and the closed source ones seem... questionable

is a static launcher really something that should cost money - the premise is simple and there's many phone launchers that are free

Might be something of value https://github.com/nielsvanvelzen/tv-launcher

[silk galleon]

kind of an off topic question that I dont see a channel for.

Ive recently got into HA, bought a couple tapo c210s that as I understood would be able to be used completely locally after initial setup the only caveat was that you needed a firewall rule to block the cameras from phoning home.

Well aftger reading into that a bit I ended up setting up opnsense on an old small pc I've got but I dont get any internet to any of my devices.

I have a CAT5 fiber line into my house that was hooked up to a Deco Xe5300 then to a switch. I plugged the fiber line into my opnsense router then into my switch, which went to the DECO but none of my devices get discovered and I cant even access the opnsense dashboard.

if I instead go from "Fiber Liner -> DECO -> Opnsense -> Switch" I get internet access again, not sure if the firewall is even active (never dont this before still not sure how to check or how im meant to block tplink yet lol). but this seems wrong to me? (double nat?)

anyway if anyone has relavent info for this I'd appreciate it, or direct me to where i could ask this if this isnt an appropriate place and I'll delete. Thanks!

[gritty drift]

I've got a couple noob questions in the Dashboard areas 😛

[dawn badge]

well this is not really related to HA. its more network config

[weak musk]

#1284965988642590891

[gritty drift]

I already put my questions in there

[weak musk]

I know. Did you already read #rules number 7?

[gritty drift]

No, but I did now... I don't see how that's an issue

Questions are dashboard related, so they are in the correct place.
I didn't post the questions here, so again, in the right place.

[weak musk]

Rule 7
Use the correct channels or threads for your messages. If there's a better place for the current conversation then use it, and **don't post or link to the same thing in multiple places. **

you’re posting about your post.

[gritty drift]

🙄

[unborn merlin]

I look forward to the day when rules will be put in video form for those who can't read literally. /s

[shell basalt]

new rule then: Rule 1 - Lern two reed gud

There's a web-based RPG out there that before you can enter the chat, your character must enter the Alter of Literacy and go thru a "trial" to prove that you can read and basically prove that you've read the "rules"

[static schooner]

Go through some basic moderator training

[ocean oar]

I liked - back in the IRC days - the channel created by Randall Munroe (XKCD)
https://blog.xkcd.com/2008/01/14/robot9000-and-xkcd-signal-attacking-noise-in-chat/
It kept a hashset of everything that's ever been said in the channel, and hands out increasingly long mute periods if you repeat something

[glacial knot]

the comment section for this post is amazingly low signal

[ocean oar]

Ironic, certainly. Yay for bot spam

[hoary canyon]

https://github.com/spocky/miproja1 ?

[forest edge]

weren't those ordered to be shut down?

[smoky birch]

Just json files for configuration

[hoary canyon]

eh I’m all for open source but on a TV it seems a little unnecessary

for important stuff though definitely

I don’t think you HAVE to enable location either

even if you do, I bet it’s for some functionality of the launcher rather than actually tracking you

lots of systems like to bundle stuff under the location privacy setting

[clear ferry]

I've had smart tv for 9 years now, yet to use the features outside of controlling it with HA for on / off

[forest edge]

should look into notification popups.. quite nice

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I used that for a while actually, but then I just moved all notification to telegram

[forest edge]

unglue the phone from the palm of your hand already

[clear ferry]

I have, the watch gives me all I need

Phone is seldom up during daytime

[slim timber]

hello people, can anyone pitch in with an idea - I'm on vacation, HA on proxmox shat the bed at home... not entirely sure which VM is to blame, but HA is kinda still running, only without disk access. I can't restart from HA and I can't login into pve, can't ssh, can't do anything I can think of

I'll probably get in the car and pull the plug, but it's a couple hours drive and I'd love it if I could try to hard reset the HA machine somehow

[ocean oar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I

[forest edge]

learn from your mistake. don't run HA on proxmox

the reliability of my pi's was the sole reason I decided against moving HA to my server using docker. Dosen't appear anything else is as reliable lol

[clear ferry]

It's not wrong, as a musician with 35 years experience I can confirm

[glacial knot]

that's when you start investing into networked KVMs 😂

[clear ferry]

This is why proper servers have ipmi

I've fixed my systems in the middle of the night from Atlanta

(that is about 7800km)

Earth circumference is a weird thing, I've moved 1400km north from where I lived, but even if Atlanta is south I'm actually 800km closer to it

[dawn badge]

ipmi or simalar is definetly the way to go. saves trips to the rack

[clear ferry]

Yas

[dawn badge]

the 2 main servers in my rack:
1 has ipmi
the other has a pikvm inside

[glacial knot]

that would require getting "real" hardware 😂

I just have relays to power cycle them and pray

[forest edge]

thought you had said Atlantic so I pictured this.

https://mgsloan.com/posts/comfortable-airplane-computing/images/kinesis-2.jpg

[clear ferry]

I like the setup, I would love to try that keyboard

I've been a Microsoft natural user for 27 years

[glacial knot]

split keebs

[crimson nacelle]

Hey all! Fellow Hue users: Anyone ever hit the limit of the number of devices you can add to the newer gen 2 hue bridge? I have 49 bulbs, and apparently the official limit is 50, but the real world limit is 63. Curious how far people have pushed this and what happens.

Funny enough, I have 2 more bulbs, but no sockets to plug them into to test what happens when I try to pair the 51st bulb. 😂

I bought them as backups, because it seems the newer bulbs like to fail every 5 or so years. 🤨

[forest edge]

49 hue bulbs in one house? wtf

[crimson nacelle]

My original bulbs from, what, 2012 was it? When they first came out and were Apple Store only… those are still going strong with easily 16 hours a day for the last 13 years. But the new ones with like 4-6 hours a day use have only lasted the afformetioned 5 or so years.

[crimson nacelle]

Yup. The whole house. Every lightbulb is a hue bulb.

And pretty much each room is motion activated.

Light switches suck.

[forest edge]

bunch of multi bulb fixtures?

[crimson nacelle]

(also my house has no neutral in the gangbox, so smart switches are not an option).

[crimson nacelle]

Yeah.

6 in the kitchen, 10 in the basement, 3 in my office and the spare bedroom, two in my bedroom, 6 in the living room, 2 in the den, 4 in the carport, 2 on the back porch, 1 on the front porch, 3 in the foyer, 2 in the hallway, three in the bathroom… I think that's it?

I'm forgetting some clearly.

[forest edge]

these all rgb? or just replaced with smart bulb for control of on/off?

[crimson nacelle]

Oh god no. I'm stupid, not rich. 😂

Those colour ones are like 80 bucks a pop.

I only have 6 of those from the two original kits I bought in 2012. One for me, and one for my dad, but he decided he didn't like them and gave them back to me.

[raw flax]

My tuya RGBW where like 3-4€ a piece

[crimson nacelle]

back then they only had the multi colour ones.

Yeah, there are a lot cheaper options. I stuck with hue because of their API.

[forest edge]

there are no neutral smart switches

[crimson nacelle]

Which doesn't matter that much now that I run HA.

[crimson nacelle]

Yeah, for like 200 dollars. each.

[raw flax]

I just got the cheap ones because a local store had them for dirt cheap. Also had some multi outlets that are smart home enabled (normal + 2 USB)

[forest edge]

where do you live? companies like MOES and GE sell them for around 20 bucks

[crimson nacelle]

Canada.

[forest edge]

so yea.. not 200 lol

[crimson nacelle]

GE has no neutral smart switches??

For 20 bucks?

[forest edge]

https://www.gelighting.com/led-lights/bulbs/ge-cync-smart-dimmer-light-switch-no-neutral-wire-required-bluetooth-and-24-ghz-wi

yea

check amazon, there are even more options

[crimson nacelle]

oh, those are wifi…

[forest edge]

what do you need?

[crimson nacelle]

I want something that doesn't rely on the network.

Ideally zigbee…

[forest edge]

well they are bluetooth as well..

[crimson nacelle]

what's their API like?

Does it require internet access? Local interrogation is a must for any smart device on the network, with no internet access.

[forest edge]

shellies are to be releasing zigbee pucks. those won't require a neutral either i believe

[crimson nacelle]

Yeah, those look promising!

[forest edge]

think sonoff currently has something as well

[crimson nacelle]

Well, the system works pretty well right now. It's pretty reliable, and I'm happy with it… but getting close to that "50" bulb limit (that apparently is actually 63), has me curious about what will happen if I go over… (not that I have anywhere else I can put bulbs, unless I start changing fixtures… which there's only one room where that might be worth while.

I'm mainly just curious.

I'm fairly sure I can just add another Hue Bridge to HA, and add more bulbs to it.

[forest edge]

isn't the max for zigbee like 250 or something lol

32 per router

[crimson nacelle]

that sounds about right.

[forest edge]

if it becomes an issue maybe ditch the hub and get a cordinator lol

[crimson nacelle]

I doubt it will become an issue. I'm largely just curious.

[clear ferry]

Hey, I had 80 tradfri in my old house

but yes, ditch hubs always

zigbee2mqtt is lyfe

[primal laurel]

ZHA users

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[forest edge]

yea and you should probably get an MRI

[crimson nacelle]

I could use an education on this. enlighten me. other than a mash of letters i somewhat recognize, what is zigbee2mqtt?

[clear ferry]

open source "hub" for zigbee

that doesn't care what brands you buy

[crimson nacelle]

Ahh.

[clear ferry]

and creates one mesh instead of 3 different ones

if you have three hubs

[crimson nacelle]

Yeah I had some GE floods on my Hue Bridge for a bit, and they worked… but needed to be "rebooted" every few days…

it sucked. I junked th em.

[clear ferry]

I've had 8-9 different brands now for 6 years

no issues

[crimson nacelle]

what is mqtt?

is that some form of SDR that's used for talking to zigbee devices?

[clear ferry]

mqtt == message broker

[forest edge]

its just a communication protocol

[crimson nacelle]

a wireless communication protocol? or like an API?

[clear ferry]

no, message broker

device -> zigbee -> coordinator -> message broker -> HA

[forest edge]

but you can do so much more with it

[crimson nacelle]

Ahh ok.

[forest edge]

I use mqtt to tie in 2 other HA instances at remote locations

[primal laurel]

dont bother with it and just get ZHA, doesnt need mqtt

[crimson nacelle]

What's the coordinator in this chain?

[clear ferry]

I put everything I can in mqtt

esp goes into mqtt

zigbee goes into mqtt

my old car went into mqtt

if I create any custom containers they send via mqtt

[clear ferry]

USB stick with zigbee chip, aka a hub

[crimson nacelle]

ohhh I see.

interesting. Good info guys! Thanks so much.

[forest edge]

if you do decide to go that route I would certainly look into going this route https://smlight.tech/

[crimson nacelle]

Oh, it's got an ethernet jack on it?

[forest edge]

they can be wifi or lan and even connect through usb

[crimson nacelle]

"jack" because ethernet is not a physical standard… but ykwim

[crimson nacelle]

That's great because I can't currently connect anything to my HA server on anything other than via ethernet.

[clear ferry]

We have a local guy here who makes zigbee coordinators with PoE

I can recommend that

[crimson nacelle]

omg that would be amazing.

[clear ferry]

https://tubeszb.com/

[crimson nacelle]

that's like 3 birds with one stone.

[clear ferry]

It's what I use

[crimson nacelle]

4 even.

[clear ferry]

mine died on me and he sent me a new one for just shipping, so great customer service

[crimson nacelle]

what's the unit with serial for? Is it for flashing the device? or debugging the firmware?

[forest edge]

yea supporting "local" I guess is what we would call it is always a solid choice too. it's what I use as well here

[clear ferry]

yes, debug \ flash

[crimson nacelle]

just firmware debug, or also debugging the zigbee traffic too?

[clear ferry]

Just firmware

[crimson nacelle]

I've always wanted more of a window into the zigbee traffic.

[clear ferry]

You can debug the zigbee traffic in mqtt

[crimson nacelle]

ahh cool.

[clear ferry]

https://tubeszb.com/product/cc2652p2-based-zigbee-to-poe-coordinator-2023/

This is the one I have

mqtt logs

[crimson nacelle]

What's the diff between the P2 and the P7

[forest edge]

you trying to scare them?

[clear ferry]

p7 has more umph

but it shouldn't matter in most environments

I've had 180ish devices on P2 and still no issues

[crimson nacelle]

Nice, that's cool.

[crimson nacelle]

Hahaha, that doesn't scare me. Wireshark is my idea of a fun time, so things like this are just like a new video game drop to me. 😂😂😂

[clear ferry]

I too enjoy wireshark

https://tenor.com/TUCV.gif

[crimson nacelle]

I mean, how can you not?!

[clear ferry]

Then again, I probably work on networks that 2% of people touch

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-interview-jimmy-kimmel-2021-gif-9091736678629998308

[crimson nacelle]

😏 tell me more…

I didn't know you guys talk dirty in here. 😏 😂😂😂

[clear ferry]

Infiniband, Slingshot, Spectrum 800G I can keep going but you'll get bored

I appear to currently be the NWE expert on Cumulus Linux too

[crimson nacelle]

oh fuck off… bruh... you didn't need to flex so hard. 😭 😂

[forest edge]

works on the apollo as well

[clear ferry]

Just wait till I tell you about the 1024 nodes with 8GPUs each I've deployed across 5 sites

[crimson nacelle]

…this went from fun to depressing. 😭
Wanna trade lives? 😂

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/e2H2KgNCDPm.gif

[crimson nacelle]

legitimately jealous.

[glacial knot]

NWE? Nordic Western Europe?

[clear ferry]

North Western Europe

[glacial knot]

so all the ones with funny languages?

• Finland

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/bubbles-trailer-park-boys-glasses-gif-15672316

[crimson nacelle]

Well… I always say you should surround yourself with people better than you… I'm just bummed that my symmetrical 8gbps home fiber connection won't impress anyone in here. 😂😭

I've always wanted to mess around with fiberchannel.

[clear ferry]

Fiberchannel is grandfather by now

but yes, I deploy a lot of 32\64G FC

[crimson nacelle]

Yeah… but I remember the 2003 PowerMac G5 super computer cluster that hit, what was it, number 3? Was interconnected with fiberchannel.

so I've always wanted to mess with it…

But corporate IT doesn't need me to mess with fiber channel, unfortunately.

[clear ferry]

This was the first HPC I installed

https://hpc-uit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/stallo/stallo.html

Which is a child compared to the stuff today

[crimson nacelle]

Oh yeah, for sure.

Still probably more powerful than your smartphone, I'd imagine… but no where near as powerful as modern clusters.

[clear ferry]

Especially considering I install systems with 6TB RAM these days

so would only take 4 of those to surpass it in memory

[crimson nacelle]

bruh, you need to drop an NSFW tag before you mention 8TB of RAM. 😂

[forest edge]

how many slots is that?

[clear ferry]

48x8

[crimson nacelle]

I think they have 512 DIMMs now, don't they?

Oh wow…

[clear ferry]

yes

[crimson nacelle]

But more DIMMs probably means better memory bandwidth?

[clear ferry]

yes

xeon scalable platinum go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[crimson nacelle]

fuck, the last time I talked about a 512 DIMM, it was 512 Megs…

[clear ferry]

It's a shame Persistant memory got scrapped though

[crimson nacelle]

yeahhhh….

[clear ferry]

but now we have SCM instead

FYI https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/scm-nvme-ssd-understanding-key-differences-optimal-data-zafar-irfan/

[crimson nacelle]

Optane counted as SCM right?

[clear ferry]

Ish

[crimson nacelle]

I'm a bit out of date with all this stuff, because my last job (and my current one) was a startup that, while we scaled, we never really did the big servers ourselves… cloud this and cloud that… even though that's more expensive… 🙄 but whatever...

[clear ferry]

You should see the storage systems we roll out these days, 192 controllers and 384 disk shelves

AI go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[crimson nacelle]

Shit… I need to change careers.

[glacial knot]

I enjoy the cloud. Nobody asks me to submit a purchase request. I just create instances 🙂

[clear ferry]

"this API call is my official purchase request"

[crimson nacelle]

Hahaha, it is convenient… but $/performance isn't great.

[glacial knot]

I'll put it into terraform once I'm done testing. I promise

[forest edge]

better to keep nerds like atx locked in server rooms

bitching about his red stapler

[clear ferry]

I haven't been in a server room in months now

I prefer my office

Then I tell other people to rack stuff for me

[glacial knot]

🤷 it's not that expensive. Since we get some special conditions. For reasons

[crimson nacelle]

Man, I'd want to rack it myself.

[clear ferry]

I do sometimes, but since I moved 1400km away from most of my customers, eh

[crimson nacelle]

When we'd set up a new office, racking the switches and patching the network was like a celebration… a painful one… but one none the less. 😂

[crimson nacelle]

ahhh, fair.

[clear ferry]

But these days I work across the globe

been doing some installs in the UK, some in germany ,luxemburg and singapore recently

from home

[crimson nacelle]

alrighty, as much as I'm enjoying this conversation, it's 3:30 here, and I should get to bed. 😂

[clear ferry]

Yuck americans

[crimson nacelle]

Hey! I'm not American!

I spell colour with a "u".

[clear ferry]

CANOODIAN ?

[crimson nacelle]

damn straight! 😂

[clear ferry]

Going to my hoose

to goo to bed

[crimson nacelle]

and I have no clue what a mile, inch, furlong, or Fahrenheit is.

[clear ferry]

hey there friend

I'm not your buddy

[crimson nacelle]

I'm not your pall, buddy!

[glacial knot]

Furlong? Is that talkinga bout animals that need a barber?

[clear ferry]

fun fact for you, I had a collegue in Canada

that had his own plane, covered by the main office

because he needed to get onsite to remote locations in canada fast

[crimson nacelle]

I guess? They must use the hairs as a form of measurement down there in the states. 😂

[crimson nacelle]

It is INSANELY big out here…

It's like 5000km across.

[forest edge]

news to me

[crimson nacelle]

Have you looked at the US customary system? It's a mess!

And all defined in SI units too.

[clear ferry]

Norway and canada are quite similar in many regards, indiginous people, snow, some midnight sun, lots of trees

[crimson nacelle]

Not many people know that the US is legally a metric country… but they use the Customary system to convert everything from metric to garbage.

[clear ferry]

There is a reason why NASA uses metric

[glacial knot]

Smaller than it looks though. Thanks Mercator

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-go-joker-heath-ledger-the-dark-knight-and-here-we-go-gif-17775369

[crimson nacelle]

and the aurora borealis!

[crimson nacelle]

True.

[forest edge]

because it makes it easier to collab with international institutions...

[clear ferry]

precision matters

brb just gonna fix this 4 and 32\8 + 16\5s bolt

[crimson nacelle]

legit triggered.

I HATE it when people give me garbage units.

[clear ferry]

Took me a lot of mental gymnastics when I rented a car in Dublin and drove to Belfast, and the dash didn't have dual units

[crimson nacelle]

When we were building out our office (for some reason in Canada we use the imperial system in construction, even though it doesn't get taught in school), I demanded they give me all the units in metric.

The construction guys hated it… but I'm not spending time learning useless shit.

[forest edge]

gross

[crimson nacelle]

it really is gross.

construction and baking are imperial here…

Not by law… but by custom…

[forest edge]

no construction using metric sounds insane

[crimson nacelle]

wait why?

[forest edge]

because fractions it way easier to deal with

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bngYb.gif

[crimson nacelle]

10ths are a fraction.

13.439cm is a fraction.

[forest edge]

can't even imagine using numbers like 2.4 studs lol

[crimson nacelle]

plus, let's be real: two by fours haven't been two inches by four inches in like 60 years.

[forest edge]

still

[crimson nacelle]

at best they are an inch and a half or something disgusting.

[forest edge]

its a standard and the term applies

[crimson nacelle]

a wrong term…

standard or not…

IDK, I favour accuracy above convenience 9/10 times.

[forest edge]

you also don't do it on the daily

if your own construction crews up there prefer imperial.. there's a reason lol

[crimson nacelle]

That's fair I guess…

[glacial knot]

Yea, we don't 😂

[forest edge]

I prefer metric when dealing with small stuff.. but anything an inch and larger.. no thanks

[crimson nacelle]

well, like legally in canada, everything has to be metric, but they carved out an exception for construction for some reason.

but they switched everything over in like the 70s or something. well before I was born.

[forest edge]

and even at that half an inch, 1/8th 1/16.. 3/4.. etc is way easier to throw around

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bdSyy.gif

[forest edge]

our tape measures have both so it's njot like metric is just not there.. just not preferred for a whole lot of stuff

[crimson nacelle]

Well, listen, I've got the kind of tism that makes me want to use metric and SI units as much as possible.

[forest edge]

non-american's don't understand that

[clear ferry]

How to spot sane people

[crimson nacelle]

You mean .125, .0625, and .75? 😂

[crimson nacelle]

joking aside, I actually do prefer this ^^ I agree it looks a bit more messy and overwhelming, but in practice, I don't feel like it is.

but then again, in all sincerity, I'm the kind of person who would rather write 0.333… instead of 1/3.

and would rather do math with .333… over 1/3 too.

[forest edge]

over time you wouldn't lol

likely end up with you writing something noone else would understand lol

[glacial knot]

shrug before I write 1/3rd cm or 0.3cm I'll write 3mm

[clear ferry]

something the rest of the world would understand

[glacial knot]

Fractions are just not an issue when your measures align with your numbers

[crimson nacelle]

Ha! Jokes on you. No one understands anything I say or do already!

😂

[clear ferry]

Classic canadian

Even more so french canadian

LE WHAT THE FUCK

[crimson nacelle]

yeah, it's true like SAE vs metric bolts.

They just made the bolts align to the metric units.

[forest edge]

the biggest issue is that other countries really don't have to look at imperial in every day stuff.. a side by side compare constantly. american's have had to do that with literally every measuring device we have lol

[crimson nacelle]

tabarnak!

shit it's 4:00, what happened. 😂😂😂

OK, I really do need to go. 😂😂😂

Night night all!

thanks for the good info and the fun conversation!

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

this is going to be a rather interesting 4 years lol

[desert cave]

https://tenor.com/view/spray-bottle-cat-spray-bottle-spray-bottle-meme-tiktok-gif-25591053

[forest edge]

this is a good watch

https://youtu.be/Ni82f1-cAXg?si=UVuLf36HWK9440wM

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-angry-gif-20121278

[crude osprey]

Hello guys. I installed the home assistant on the orbstack program (docker) of Mac. Then I installed xiaomi home in HA and added xiaomi devices. I can control the xiaomi device in HA. But I want to connect to apple homekit. I installed homekit bridge, but there was no response when I scanned the code to add it on the iPhone. Can't add

Anyone can help me?

[iron granite]

#1284966582375813201 might be able to help