the-water-cooler

[loud pike]

Yeah, I feel like a lot of those are massively overblown.

Unless you've got an EV with no battery minder(at which point... why...), they can keep the battery warm in the cold and keep it functional. Though my favorite battery fuckup is, again, a tesla...

See, EVs still need a 12v battery because all of the off the shelf components for cars like the lights, dash equipment, etc, is made for a 12 v system.

Tesla in their infinite stupid decided that not having a battery minder for the 12v is a good idea. Which means it can't trickle charge the 12v from the main battery while the car is offline.

Which means not only does the 12v battery die if left off for a month or so...

it's also located in the front trunk... which can only be accessed by an electric lock. Powered by the 12v.

They thought "hey, we can get around that problem by putting jump leads on the fender"...

Trouble is, if you drop a 12v lead acid battery below 50% state of charge? It's dead. It will almost never take a charge ever again.

[solar zealot]

thats not covered by warranty

[loud pike]

Seriously, every single little thing you find out about the "disruptor engineering" of a tesla is like... why. Just... why.

[solar zealot]

why is it draining the battery so fast in the first place

[forest edge]

it's hard to compete with non lemon ICE vehicles. my biggest expense on my 2004 truck is 1600 for a fuel line replacement.. second biggest is replacing all 4 tires at same time

[loud pike]

Keeping the radios online for the electric doors, sentry mode, dash stuff, about 100 other energy vampire things. Which are kinda just a thing with all cars these days sadly.

(LOOKING AT YOU, HONDA.)

[solar zealot]

maintaining a car costs money who would have guessed that

[forest edge]

EV batteries like over 16K and "have" to be replaced every 8 or so years

[loud pike]

I mean, they really don't, unless you buy a really bad one. XD

(cough tesla cough)

But yeah, that honda thing was especially dumb. The Android system stayed on standby at all times in the dash.

[forest edge]

they really don't? what does that mean? no battery packs last forever lol

[loud pike]

So did the radio receiver for the proximity detection for the keyfob. And the USB charging. With a stock battery, you can kill a 10th gen Civic battery by leaving your phone charging.

[forest edge]

lithium has a shelf life of about 10 years

[loud pike]

Heh. So lots to unpack there.

[solar zealot]

its kinda sad to not see more hydrogen/cng in development so you arent driving around a ton of weight

[loud pike]

For starts, it's not that batteries last forever, it's the construction, for one. For two, lithium is lithium no matter how old it is. What you have to worry about is it oxidizing. Which is prevented by the adhesives used in making the cells.

[forest edge]

we're talking about products placed in vehicles.. not theoritical applications lol

[civic citrus]

Electric cars make sense when you can fit it all - monthly cost, electric cost, charging and so on. fuel here is like 18sek/l divide by 10-11 to get euro/usd and then if you drive like 100km a day with kids to school - work - shopping so on.

[loud pike]

Really cheap battery cells(envelope style, used in phones and laptops), the adhesive tends to fail due to thermal stress within about 4 years, give or take.

EVs don't use envelope style cells though. They use cans, which are much more stable in their construction.

[civic citrus]

Note for you guys: the chemical reaction is way different now than it used to be

So batterys last very long

[forest edge]

they make sense for someone who drives a whole lot

[civic citrus]

and can charge at home 😉

[forest edge]

it's the only way to stay ahead of the degredation

[loud pike]

That's the other cool thing about Evs... if your battery fails in 10 years... the battery you replace it with will invariably be better than stock.

[civic citrus]

But the sad part is that batteries cost more than a new car sometimes

[loud pike]

Tech will advance, so whatever new cell they build will be better than whatever came before.

[civic citrus]

Battery + labour

[solar zealot]

i think to remember seeing a company make fast chargers with energy storage for low capacity grid placements

[loud pike]

Depends. For ref, a fully new Ioniq 5 battery will set you back about 2.5 grand.

[solar zealot]

that seems to become interesting

[civic citrus]

Oh only 😮

[loud pike]

Which is a tiny cost compared to the entire car XD

Like I said earlier though, with that battery block, you don't HAVE to replace the whole thing. You can take it apart and replace individual cells.

[deft pewter]

And people go all FUD over the battery potentially failing... while forgetting that almost nothing else can fail. Electric motors are solid.

ICE cars... engines fuck up all the time.

[civic citrus]

all in all

Most people dont have 30k$-60k$ to buy a new car

Also car loans can be sketchy AF

[solar zealot]

companies havent noticed that

[deft pewter]

So buy used 🤯

[loud pike]

Yeah, that's the tricky part.

[civic citrus]

20k$ for a used tesla

Actually

[deft pewter]

Bargain

[civic citrus]

25k$

[loud pike]

But honestly, for most EV batteries, the most expensive part of working on them is gonna be the labor surprisingly.

[civic citrus]

And insurance

IS HELL

ALOT

EXPENSIVE

[solar zealot]

why would you pay for it to spy on you

[loud pike]

(since it needs the lift and someone with the proper certs for electrical)

[civic citrus]

Electric car 2nd hand market really needs to go way lower for it to be worth, insurance companies fuck you over

[solar zealot]

i guess people pay for yt with ads aswell so i could see them doing that

[civic citrus]

As soon as it leave warranty insurance can be 1-2k$ a year

[stuck anchor]

if you know how to drive rear wheel drive is actually better in winter than front wheel...

front wheel drive is just cheaper to make and gives more space inside the car

[deft pewter]

Better how? The moment your rear wheels are off centre, you're fighting against the movement of the car.

[loud pike]

Also one of my favorite thing is talking to EV mechanics with experience. Once they know what they're doing, they love working on EVs because you basically Can't get your hands dirty other than the occasional rats nest XD

[deft pewter]

Pulling the car along behind the wheels that do the steering is 100% better in winter.

[loud pike]

We all know the best steering in the winter is two massive steel helical drills.

[civic citrus]

You guys dont have 4 wheel drive

[stuck anchor]

your wheels have a given friction budget. turning and traction eat from the same budget on a front wheel drive.

[deft pewter]

Not every car does, you're right.

I do have AWD.

[loud pike]

lol the most driven car in my state is the Subaru Outback. We've got four wheel drive covered. XD

[stuck anchor]

with rear wheel drive, when your rear comes out a little the rear wheels are actually cooperating with your steering

[deft pewter]

And if they come out more than a little?

(I'm thinking of the hundreds of BMW drivers I've watched struggle in the snow)

[stuck anchor]

better than a front wheel drive just plowing straight ahead when it loses traction

[solar zealot]

you just need to go fast, the faster you go the less physics apply

[deft pewter]

I can't say I've ever struggled to get a FWD car back under control from a skid.

[loud pike]

(Also the general rule in the snow and the mud is as follows. Don't make ANY change quickly. Don't Stop fast, don't speed up fast. Do either and you're gonna take a ride.)

[stuck anchor]

if you struggle to get it back you are skidding wrong

[deft pewter]

Glad I'm skidding right then 😄

[stuck anchor]

of course front heavy rear wheel drives have a problem

[loud pike]

I mean, skid right enough and you'll make a left eventually so you're set.

[stuck anchor]

they need bags of sand in the rear during winter

[loud pike]

We used to put litter in the back of the lincoln my folks had.

[solar zealot]

thats just what old people who lost the fun of ruining a car in a parking lot would say

[loud pike]

Great big bags of cat litter.

[dawn badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWA9Qxs8jF4

i feel this is not what soldering needs...

[solar zealot]

it never has been difficult in the first place

[loud pike]

(8 cylinders, 5 litres, and.... 130 horsepower. Seriously, that car was HILARIOUS.)

[solar zealot]

but yes its "innovation"

[loud pike]

...okay but set that up with a manual press and you can save your hands a bit.

[solar zealot]

you arent supposed to touch the hot stuff

thats just a bonus

[loud pike]

This stock photo begs to differ\

[dawn badge]

"if you smell bacon then stop holding the hot end"

[forest edge]

works for me lol

[civic citrus]

but but

I like bacon

[forest edge]

just now updated Z2M and was sweating the whole time lol

[solar zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/bacon-homersimpson-banana-the-simpsons-gif-3572355

[shell topaz]

where can i find the rules

[solar zealot]

what for

[shell topaz]

this discord

[clever mortar]

#rules ?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-rules-cj-payne-house-of-payne-what-rules-are-you-talking-about-are-there-any-rules-gif-23590511

[shell topaz]

like no spamming or smt

[clever mortar]

#rules

[civic citrus]

This is interesting

[shell topaz]

found it

[deft pewter]

Where was it?

[civic citrus]

Zigbee2mqtt container -> webui doesnt work from time to time but the logs says nothing

[forest edge]

not had that issue

I run both the addon on one HA and z2m as it's own container on another machine.. going to be updating that one next

the stand alone container should be a breeze i'm hoping

the addon however threw me a curve ball

[civic citrus]

Welp

I guess no webui for me

[forest edge]

third reality is confusing me with all these updates they keep pushing for thier zigbee stuff. just going to update one plug and see what happens before updating anything else cause I haven't had any issues so not sure what the updates are even doing lol

[civic citrus]

if it works why update

[forest edge]

exactly

[civic citrus]

[forest edge]

but why all the updates

[civic citrus]

read change logs

and if no change logs dont update

[forest edge]

i wish they provided decent ones

well I guess they do somewhat

who needs support for hubitat

[solar zealot]

their stuff looks super tuya like

[forest edge]

third reality?

[solar zealot]

yep

[forest edge]

they kind of reminded me on linkind when I first got them but they have actually been pretty solid

only issue so far is the tilt sensor in the mailbox but I think that is an alkaline battery in sub temps issue not anything with the device itself

[solar zealot]

like

[forest edge]

those look so bulky lol

I know they slot into a recessed outlet but still

[solar zealot]

ah they even sell on amazon

[civic citrus]

Anyone got some recommendation on termostats?

[solar zealot]

they do however absolutely look like tuya plugs

[civic citrus]

pref cheap ones

[solar zealot]

the people in #1284966353798697001 for sure

[forest edge]

yea if your looking for something HA friendly there are tons of posts and even forum threads about them

[solar zealot]

cant wait for shelly to make zigbee plugs

then all the the crap gear can go away thank you very much

[forest edge]

shelly has been pretty solid too

[solar zealot]

also they dont make bulky ones

[forest edge]

so far of all the "smart home" stuff I connect with HA shelly and third reality have been the best. My tuya zigbee stuff hasn't been bad but it's tuya so bleh lol

I did order one of those usb sonoff adapaters out of curisoity so I guess i'll see how that goes

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/s/A5zvGZwEUa

[solar zealot]

i had a couple of nous plugs with a 2/5 failures, aquara with 1/1 and shelly with 2/16

[last cedar]

@clear ferry that you?

[forest edge]

who else?

[forest edge]

just not really a fan of aqura. I love how small the door sensors are but the whole contectivity with them (at least the ones i have) just sucks

[solar zealot]

this isnt atx, you easily be misstaken but those racks contain no gpus for 500kw per tower

the temp sensors i enjoy

[civic citrus]

z2m: MQTT error: read ECONNRESET this is interesting

[clever mortar]

#1284966617670881350 with the Zigbee tag can help

[shell topaz]

checking out for tonight

[nimble wing]

random shower-time thought this morning. if they can make shower heads that do random lights, why aren't shower heads with flow sensors a thing?

[dawn badge]

yeah, i saw one advertised the other day

[dawn badge]

https://shop.zerofy.net/products/amphiro-smart-shower-head

no idea how its app works with it but at a guess i would imagine its ble

[young sigil]

I have some of the newer zigbee 3.0 versions to try out when I get home next week. The 1.0 versions are going in the trash.

[nimble wing]

cool, thanks for that. somehow my google-fu was failing me today. couldn't even get the novelty ones with lighting coming up. 170 yoyos for a shower head though - I guess you get what you pay for

[dawn badge]

completly random that i saw one recently when looking for something else

[stuck anchor]

hey - you get polar bear animation! totally worth €170

[nimble wing]

ah typical! interesting stuff always comes up when you're looking for something else.
correct call on it being bluetooth - https://www.hansa.com/en/products/design-lines/hansaactivejet-digital

[iron granite]

If you want a polar bear animation you can just turn off the warm water when someone is showering.

[nimble wing]

😂

looks like their inline meters are a good deal cheaper https://purchase.ie/product/all-products/shower-smart-meter?srsltid=AfmBOooEdGOQnNS3rzUc9EwkXfA0IYltLbj5vY6xYBRTrF4bG6dWR8TD

65 quid instead

[solar zealot]

but why

[stuck anchor]

and works with any shower head. and you can see the display while showering

[solar zealot]

this could pay for around 36000l of water around here

just leave it running

[stuck anchor]

but that's cold water, right?

[solar zealot]

yes

thats how you make sure your shower sessions are short

[dawn badge]

interesting

[civic citrus]

101 how to become single speedrun

[stuck anchor]

"At the bottom of the screen a polar bear stands on ice. The longer you spend in the shower the more the ice will melt from under the bear." - shower shaming?

[iron granite]

I'm doing my part to prevent another Titanic disaster!

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[civic citrus]

Umm this might be a tiny incy bit political but did you guys hear that the russian hit chernobyl dome

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/rules-gif-26758125

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-can-cannot-encouragement-raccoon-gif-16715806063685608377

[civic citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/ocean-park-roy-chiken-chicken-rooster-gif-15719325597742543552

[undone jolt]

What's happening with the forums? Read-only since early morning ...

[iron granite]

A forum software update is running

[deft pewter]

Run after it then

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/twgcf-jjkneko-gif-23550263

[stuck anchor]

quite empty parking lot at the gardening store today... wonder why

[iron granite]

No discounts today?

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze just give the call.. i'll help you move lol https://youtu.be/oTA9C_TL1uw?si=Jj11qss9FW3hP5qs

[stuck anchor]

yes they have, but maybe people don't see this as gardening weeather?

[shell basalt]

its fertilizing time year round!

[lone dagger]

It’s the King’s English now. Duh.

[shell basalt]

and mine

just gotta come get it before this polar vortex hits and we're stuck in the single digits for like a week

[iron granite]

Does Charles speak another English than Camilla?

[lone dagger]

Gods I hope so. I need that kind of drama in my life.

[iron granite]

Today on Yellow Press TV...

[lone dagger]

Better than whatever the fuck I am dealing with with gestures at everything wildly.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotori-kounotoritoken-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676487

[lone dagger]

The long furby is a JOY in my life, thank you very much.

[keen bridge]

You typoed "horror" in quite an impressive manner!

[peak slate]

Charles the new Queen of England right?

[manic quartz]

It would be cool if you could set a range to the map view like you can with the History tab

yes, I was more thinking about being able to see your route around a city on a specific day for example

like "oh i was in that place on august 13th, let's see what I did there"

that just crashes java script

and pins my servers cpu for a good minute while it tries to load the data

oh I store data for 3 years

so that causes problems for doing that

wdum

[desert cave]

Careful, you might summon Jorg's grump

[manic quartz]

interesting

that still isn't what I'm after though, I'd basically like to be able to filter the map view

[clear ferry]

Sorry, I don't accept Charles

https://tenor.com/view/hurricane-party-tonight-middle-finger-fuck-you-gif-12476686

[manic quartz]

I just told it to load a months worth of location data

[manic quartz]

It responded with this

and has locked up my browser

shall I Just tell it to show me three years and see what dies first, my server or my chromium derived ram vaccum

[dawn badge]

success!

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/gal-gadot-ww-too-close-whisper-gif-13510233

[dawn badge]

its temperamental as hell but its cool!

[desert cave]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1219135215167868949/1339910172398850108/image.png?ex=67b07017&is=67af1e97&hm=9d3caa7a2c638b6fb2d19c9f22a9216e25590f1ac691b5746221385994fb5136&

Fine I guess this is memes now lol

Look, they've only burned a few cities to the ground lol

PG&E is why there's 30kwh of LFP in my garage

[manic quartz]

Major question, can I be bothered to write a python script that does little animations for where I went in a day by pulling data out of home assistant

i'll get back to you on that

[clear ferry]

TIL Alpine linux is a norwegian creation

I haven't bought a GPU since 2009, so hopefully not

You sir, are disgusting

[desert cave]

I like my computers to be tools, not projects

[clear ferry]

You too have tried Gentoo stage 1 I hear

Get out

Now

[desert cave]

Lol

[clear ferry]

You bought a new AMD duron II system you say

[lone dagger]

I asked for the forums to be upgraded and now they are and the font changed and I hate that I asked for this now.

[loud pike]

...okay but actually this would be useful in medical offices. XD

[clear ferry]

Fun fact, first gen duron didn't have thermal throttling at all, I removed the cpu cooler during load and the cpu split in two 5s afterwards

[loud pike]

Seriously, my favorite example of the issue of quantum results being altered by observation is "Let me count the number of breaths you take in the next minute".

I have always hated that, because yeah, manual breathing happens Immediately when they say that XD

(Speaking of which, I can only apologize for the fact that everyone in this room is now breathing manually.)

[clear ferry]

I agree fellow human, it is apologetic

[desert cave]

Could be worse. You could be running Arch

[clear ferry]

With unifi

[desert cave]

Lmao

[glacial knot]

chromebook

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-working-on-route-sheets-gif-14163784

[glacial knot]

box?

is that a non-laptop variant?

[dawn badge]

yeah, i am not sure my setup is quite up to medical office standards but the concept could be used probably

[glacial knot]

But, why?

[loud pike]

Part of me would love to get some NUCs for purpose built stuff like an emubox or something, but like.... clutter... also money, but clutter...

[glacial knot]

then again, my colleagues actually like the chromebooks

especially the family integration / parental controls

[loud pike]

(like, a semi-decent NUC might be great for making an arcade cabinet. But also I can't be arsed.)

[glacial knot]

I like having a local environment when I'm on shitty internet trains

though the crosvm on the more powerful chromebooks could mostly work

chrome docker..?

[glacial knot]

hm, the one (well, second) time I want to use the support section, it seems like it's currently undergowing a rework

[pseudo edge]

has anyone noticed their dashboard is slower since the latest graph card UI chance / update?

[glacial knot]

pretty much

[lone dagger]

I haven't started reworks yet.

[glacial knot]

Hm, then I'll have to convince discord to not hide everything from me

ahh, unselecting and reselecting the thingy in id:customize helped. odd

[lone dagger]

Yeah, some people need to do this thing.

It's stupid, because I definitely have the support channels set up in the onboarding settings.

[tawdry stirrup]

Yes! I have been wondering the same. Rebooting HA helps for a moment. Also migrated away from raspberry as thought my SD-card is going to die but didn't speed up anything.

[pseudo edge]

I've got it running on a xeon with a SSD, sooo it's definitely not hardware 😂

I've done zero troubleshooting / debugging, but I've noticed that the graph cards are much slower to load when reloading the tab or when switching between dashboards

it's like it has to re-draw all of the points for each line

[tawdry stirrup]

Yeah I have it now also on pretty fast hardware. Also wasn't sure if it is wifi or something, but haven't found the reason other than it feels slow.

Sometimes feels that even loading the lamp icons on my lamp control dashboard is slow

[pseudo edge]

I noticed the graph cards now have "pages", switching between the pages is real slow, like 1-2 seconds after clicking the arrow

[glacial knot]

yea, I used to be able to see them before as well

ohh, Community also has more channels

[lone dagger]

Just in time for me to mess with them on you.

[glacial knot]

🤷 just move my thread to the proper destination

[lone dagger]

I wish Discord would build that in.

[glacial knot]

D:

[jade cloak]

Curious if there are any HA/NC events planned for SXSW this year.

[crisp oriole]

O yeah. And you cant make a cut past bot because you cant temper the user name

[loud pike]

I feel like a HA event at SXSW would be weird. Wouldn't the event be at home?

I mean, it's called Home assistant, not Convention/Music Festival/Hipster Hell assistant...

(sorry, I was born in austin, SXSW is my personal HELL.)

Austin: "We're the live music capitol of the world!"
Event runners: "Cool, we'll run a huge music event in your town!"
Austin: "Neat, to showcase all the live artists we have local in Austin, right?"
Event runners: (smug grin)
Austin: "...right?"

[lone dagger]

We found out that there are a surprising amount of A/V professionals who use HA for controlling venues.

[loud pike]

That's...

Okay, so fun thing about me.

My background is in theater AV...

[lone dagger]

It's not designed for commercial installations like this, but people get it working.

[loud pike]

The idea of trying to use HA to run everything makes my teeth itch.

[dawn badge]

i guess if your alternate is scripting something together that talks to various things then HA makes alot f sense

[iron granite]

Some are using it for hotels, for running nuclear reactors,... all kind of stuff.

[loud pike]

Seriously. Running the board was a trial all on its own full of stupid issues. One of the theaters I worked had a board that didn't reset switch states if you turned it off, i.e. if you moved a slide while it was off, it wouldn't be in the new position in power when you turned it on. Which caused all SORTS of hell.

But I would still prefer it over HA.

[glacial knot]

I suspect nuclear reactors is a stretch goal

[loud pike]

DGMW I love what HA is trying to do, but holy shit, imagine trying to coordinate a show reliably on HA is.... no. NO. BAD.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-robinson-i-think-you-should-leave-you-sure-about-that-gif-22429959

[loud pike]

And I didn't even do music shows. XD Imagine trying to run a timing board of a few dozen lights and three battons on a HA system...

[glacial knot]

There can be some weird setups, but for most of the world, yes

[loud pike]

Seriously that thought TERRIFIES me.

(Fun behind the scenes thing for everyone here, music shows have a metronome and count-off playing in the Drummer's ear the entire time. That count-off is synced to the lights, pyrotechnics, and basically Everything else on a program.

Imagine all of those things trying to keep in sync on a HA pi.)

[peak slate]

Just use the power dashboard

[loud pike]

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-jerry-seinfeld-shudder-gif-3979544

[peak slate]

It'll take care of things 😀

[loud pike]

Can it send the roomba out to clean up once things go a little bit explody?

[peak slate]

No it'll close the giant lead doors

Then send out the roomba

Safety first

[loud pike]

...okay but that for some reason made me wonder if there's a smart geiger counter that can sync to HA...

"3.6 roentgen. Not great, not terrible."

Heh.

I've wanted to set up air quality monitoring and moisture monitoring, but then I remember that my signal density is a BIT high. Also money. XD

(Airthings makes one, but it's like 110 bucks.)

Also I have no idea if HA has airthings integration.

My next purchase is (list overflow, list too long, money too short)

Dumb jokes aside, my primary purchase need right now is a 4u case for the main PC, a 12u rack for the PC and server, and maybe some drives.

As for smart home things Specifically.... An air quality monitor would be nice.

[lone dagger]

You assume they are holding these on Pi devices lol.

[primal laurel]

Because almost everyone has a pi, it's easy to setup and it always works because it's only 1 platform

It's not so hard to guess

[deft pewter]

Because almost everyone has a pi
Out of the people that have a Pi, they all have a Pi. Out of the general population, almost no-one has one.

Yeah, mini PCs all the way. So much more processing power, and for such little power supply.

I think that's their business model working as expected, iirc. They prioritise educational schemes, and what's left for general availability is just what's left and intentionally priced higher to subsidise the former.

All the more reason for people to get a mini PC... unless they want to knowingly buy overpriced, underpowered equipment to support a good cause.

[dawn badge]

cries in 12u... at least its deep and i use front and back on some of it

[deft pewter]

They're literally set up as a registered charity with the primary goal of promoting STEM. https://www.raspberrypi.org/about/

[ocean oar]

I have 12U and the back isn't accessible 😢
(the rack had to go in the crawl space under the house so it's an IP45 rated outdoor weatherproof rack)

But it fits all the things I really need; a short-depth server, UPS, switch, and more than enough patch panel space for our relatively small house

[dawn badge]

mine is on wheels and i can pull it out of its cupboard to work on it

[ocean oar]

Giant heavy steel box: https://dynamix.co.nz/rodw12-600fk

[dawn badge]

mines a startech. cant remember the model. sec ill find a photo

[deft pewter]

Please, please, please write. I fucking hate that so much stuff is clickbaity YouTube videos now. It's so hard to find good written stuff.

[ocean oar]

Those seem to be pretty popular. Unfortunately our house comes from an era of tiny wardrobes and basically zero other cupboard space (aside from the one with the hot water cylinder in it), nowhere I could have put anything like that (and certainly not anywhere that I wouldn't have to listen to it)

[dawn badge]

yeah i got lucky someone local was getting rid of one cheap. and it fit under the stairs nicely

[deft pewter]

I'm sure what you're already doing is interesting to someone.

[stuck anchor]

i also have a rack on wheels. about the same height as my washing machine and dryer. so it fits nicely under the bench in my laundry room. 😄

[loud pike]

A 12u would be fine for what I need. I'm setting it up under my desk to be honest, if I set up a full height, it'd involve a bit more fiddling and a LOT more wire silliness. Yay crappy apartment living.

[ocean oar]

Crappy pictures due to lack of lighting under the house when I installed it.
Six compression glands drilled through the bottom; three 16mm for power cables (1 in, 2 out; there's an outlet upstairs connected to the UPS in the rack and another spare for later), 10mm which has the microduct for the FTTH connection (ONT is inside the cabinet) and two 25mm (fit 7x Cat6 each)

[loud pike]

(if there are any high priced millionaires in the chat who want to buy me a nice custom built house, I would not say no. 😉 XD )

< is a viner.

It's a fun little program. Mind you, 90% of what you get is hot garbo, but hey. I got my server case from it. XD

That said, it's invite only, so it's not really something you can "try" without that.

[ocean oar]

As low as 90% garbage? You must be lucky

[loud pike]

I mean, one of the things they sent me was literally a 16 bay hot swap 4u case. XD

And another was a smart air conditioner XD

[ocean oar]

"air conditioner" because absolutely just a swamp cooler, ja?

[loud pike]

Nope, Proper compressor loop heat exchanger portable AC with the hose and all.

[ocean oar]

Shit, now that I didn't expect

[loud pike]

She's purdy.

(Sadly, there's no Dreo integration for HA.)

[ocean oar]

Single or double hose?

[loud pike]

Single hose.

So not perfect, but eh. XD

[ocean oar]

(don't make me link the Technology Connections video 🤣 )

[loud pike]

Though I will say it has some... silly... features.

My other AC(a delonghi) turns on instantly. The dreo? Slowly turns on one system at a time. And has a 12 second countdown to turn off.

Also the louvres are carbon fiber patterned.

Which.... I mean.... sure, why not. XD

[deft pewter]

It's obvious. It makes it... cooler.

[loud pike]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-gif-6565016535492739421

For reference though, if you're thinking about getting on vine, the first six months is basically probationary, so you can't get anything over 100 in value to review, so you won't get the big cool stuff.

Also it's FCFS and there are a LOT of people on the program, so the chance of getting the good things is surprisingly low. There was an NVME I was gonna use to fix something in the server up on it and in the time it took me to see it posted and click on the button, it'd already gotten scooped up by too many people and was no longer available.

heh.

I mean, you do get to keep them forever(or throw them away). XD

Yeah, that's been a bit of back and forth for sure. Lots of Tuya stuff. Which DOES work with HA(waiting for missy to come running, I said the word)... XD

well, I say "lots", but it's more "It shows up a bunch"

That said, I now have what can charitably be described as way too many camera batteries and knockoff airtags...

I don't think I've ever seen a robot vac. But I DID completely repair my roomba with parts only obtained by vine stuff. XD

(new battery, new brushes, etc)

Also if you're a car guy, vine could be useful. Seriously. My front page is inundated with car parts every single day and I hate it. XD

Just at a glance, there're posts for brake pad for like 12 different model-years of car...

heh. You say motorcycles.... Today they tried to get me to review motorcycle helmets twice. I do not ride. Or drive.

I don't know that I'd trust amazon for a helmet 😛

Though speaking of that, they also have "DOT Approved" stickers for helmets. So you can basically do a fraud...

Oh amazon. 😛

[tidal bronze]

Rainbow 🌈 and sunshine my dude!

[loud pike]

All humor aside, I will say that most of what vine would offer is not even remotely good. And not even "Fun to tinker with" type bad. Lots and lots of keyboard cases for ipads, obscure batteries, KVM switches that fail within 24 hours every single times, new earpieces for headsets of very specific makes and models... That sort, in the electrical side of things.

also a Skibidi Toilet faux-lego set. Which should be enough to dissuade anyone, really.

[static schooner]

What do you do with obscure batteries?

[hollow panther]

I went with a 12U rack wall-mounted in a closet. Works well and with custom 3d prints, it's easy to get some good density of devices.

[static schooner]

You either have something that takes them, or you don't 🙂

[loud pike]

The thought of wallmounting a server gives me that pre-panic feel. XD

[hollow panther]

Less dust!

[loud pike]

Luck into having a few things that take them. XD

[hollow panther]

The nas on the shelf below the rack sits on those anti-vibration washing machine pads. We've had a ~5M earthquake and it didn't move, but I've considered putting a strap around it to really boost the warm and fuzzy factor.

[loud pike]

heh.

So this is my server case.... XD

[hollow panther]

Oh, yeah, full depth ruins it. This is only a half depth rack, so it takes some creativity to stick to that form factor.

[loud pike]

Seriously, just thinking of having to try and anchor that much weight is just... oh god. XD

[hollow panther]

yeah, I'm with ya on that.

I searched high and low for a half-depth rack-mount case that would fit in my rack and hold six 3.5" drives and just kept coming up short (well, long, in reality).

[loud pike]

Definitely recommend it. Best thing is that file servers really don't need top end hardware. Get the old ATX board from your last PC rebuild and throw it in.

Good thing about it is you don't have to worry about manufacturers not making updates for their NAS systems anymore.

[dawn badge]

that 4u?

[hollow panther]

so, that's where the Silverstone CS351 won over... compact enough to sit on that metal shelf under the rack. That's lagged into the studs, so it's not going anywhere.

[loud pike]

Yeppers.

Mine's on a 7th gen I7 with some... problems. Half the PCI-E lanes are dead, the GPU's hard locked because of a bad core, and it really really doesn't like me.

But since I don't ask it to do anything other than run files and occasionally transcode, it's fine with it XD

[dawn badge]

with big gpus i would love to find good 5u cases

tall cards with power connectors on top can get tight in 4u

[loud pike]

It's got an old 970. Glitchy but it runs. And the plus side is, horizontal case, so sag is not a problem anymore.

[ocean oar]

My rack I posted pictures of up there is close to 50kg empty, has two UPS in it that weigh about 20kg each, plus switch/server/misc. Gotta be ~110kg total.
But it's hanging from a double 150x50 floor joist with two M14x75 coach bolts, so definitely ain't going anywhere

[loud pike]

The thing I had to replace was actually the CPU cooler. Had one of those tallboi coolers with a vertically mounted 120mm. Was too tall for the case. XD

[dawn badge]

server currently has a 1650 which does transcodes just fine. want to do ai stuff. and also considering having a rack at my desk with my main desktop in it

[loud pike]

Vine had sent me a water cooler but I didn't wanna chance that, so I got a cheap low profile cooler instead and it works fine.

[hollow panther]

aren't even 1060s fine for transcodes?

[unborn merlin]

sure, but a more modern intel CPU with igpu will do it better/lower power.. 😄

[dawn badge]

i imagine so. they might not do 265 though.

[ocean oar]

Typically - for most brands of GPUs - the video encoder doesn't substantially differ between the low-end and high-end models of any given generation

[dawn badge]

having a card with an av1 encoser on it might be nice too

[ocean oar]

The high-end one in Nvidia's case often has more encoders, but the basic unit of the thing doesn't change

[hollow panther]

I only recently have found a need to transcode at all... so I'm considering putting a GPU in the nas for that.

and I was eyeballing the 1060 because $cheap

[unborn merlin]

its even better if you can just use a semi-modern intel board..

[loud pike]

I'll be honest, I don't bother with transcoding 99% of the time so at some point I might just pull the GPU out of the server and make it run solely on the integrated. Even though that makes me cringe a little.

[ocean oar]

I think people like the Intel A310 (if you can find one) for that sort of thing these days.
But the Intel iGPUs do a great job

[unborn merlin]

my new builds on a I7-14650HX mobile cpu.. that thing can do virtualized gpus with proxmox and fly. 😄

[hollow panther]

my nas has a xeon e-2144g

[unborn merlin]

I'm sorry.

[hollow panther]

2 would be all i need... i only share my library with 2 folks and they're the only ones needing transcoding

[ocean oar]

That has an iGPU with QSV, unless you've got a situation where you can't pass it through to a VM because it's the machine's only video output, should be able to use it for transcoding

[hollow panther]

thanks! i'll add that to the comparison spreadsheet :)

[loud pike]

Oh you'll love this by the way.

One of the things on the vine stack right now... a UPS for a wifi router.

Because famously, when the power goes out, you really, REALLY want your wifi to stay on. Even though nothing else can.'

[unborn merlin]

ah wait thats coffee lake.. not even that terribly old.. 😛

[hollow panther]

🤔 i need to dig in more, then... i only hit this issue this week where there were 2 transcodes going on and the machine was practically crippled

[loud pike]

I love how they advertise it too.

[unborn merlin]

yeah that should do some transcodes. Intel® UHD Graphics P630

[loud pike]

"Seamless switching so you can continue to enjoy streaming media when the power goes out"...

[hollow panther]

is that the eaton one with li-ion batteries?

[loud pike]

Streaming from WHERE, ya silly gooses!?

[loud pike]

It's a generic letter-jumble. XD

[ocean oar]

Per wikipedia

Version 6 (Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake, Whiskey Lake, Comet Lake)
The Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake, Whiskey Lake and Comet Lake microarchitectures implementation adds full fixed-function H.265/HEVC 10-bit 4:2:0 decoding and encoding acceleration, and full fixed-function VP9 8-bit and 10-bit decoding acceleration and 8-bit encoding acceleration.[16][17]
So no AV1, but h.265 at least

[hollow panther]

ah, the ol' 5 letter brand

[dawn badge]

i am wondering if they will do a high vram model in their new range

[loud pike]

Usually 8, but yes. XD

[hollow panther]

thanks! appreciate that. i'll have to review the tautulli logs and look at the specifics of what was being done.

[ocean oar]

I was using my Ecoflow battery to run my laser printer last time we had a power outage.
My partner had D&D that afternoon, and I had two dozen pages of character sheets and other BS to print for it 😄

[loud pike]

I don't know if it's specific to number of reviews or how many people find the reviews helpful tbh.

[unborn merlin]

that'd be such a comically easy way for them to grab some market share from nvidia. 🤣

"yeah here's a 64 gb model for like a grand."

[loud pike]

XD One of these days I need to tell you about the 16/600 that would not run out of toner no matter how hard I tried. XD

[dawn badge]

exactly this, would become home llm running default option

although i think 32 is more likely

[hollow panther]

I am excited that more smaller and smaller UPSs are coming to market, to be honest. I have a standby generator (mountain living with frequent outages), so I only need about 10-30 seconds of UPS life. We have a handful of 425VA UPSs laying around.... would love for them to be smaller.

[dawn badge]

but 64 would be tasty

[loud pike]

I printed SO many character sheets. And entire source books(in a time when there were like 1000 homebrew sourcebooks out there every week). And so many other stupid things. All on a printer made in the early 90s that somehow still ran just fine even though the lights dimmed every time it started a print job. XD

[hollow panther]

(until we finally get whole house batteries going)

[ocean oar]

😄

[loud pike]

I'd love to get some of those big block batteries like that, but mostly because the wiring in my house is faulty and really REALLY does not like my strobes in the studio XD

[unborn merlin]

my new server's battery backup system. 😄

(DC-ATX power supply + DC UPS)

skip the double-conversion mess that is most normal ups's.. hook up whatever lithium cells I want.. etc. 😄

and about.. 50ah of LifePo4 cells.. Waiting on aliexpress delivery for the BMS modules.

[loud pike]

Good chem for stability. May be a bit lower for power density, but those things'll keep a charge on the shelf forever.

[unborn merlin]

done the math.. at low-ish power draw it should run for 10hrs

[unborn merlin]

https://batteryhookup.com/products/12-8v-50ah-640wh-lifepo4-battery-4s-12v

" They can handle 50a discharge and 25a charge."

considering my DC UPS and supply is limited to 20a..

I think I'll survive. 😛

[ocean oar]

When you're not putting it in a vehicle, the energy density should always be second place concern imho

[unborn merlin]

when its not mobile*

I mean I'm building my entire case setup 3d printed right now.. 🙂

[loud pike]

Yeah, it should work fine XD

[unborn merlin]

NAS/server will be the upper portion

UPS/power the lower portion

this is the DC-ATX power supply

12-48v input, steps it down for PC usage. 😄

[ocean oar]

LTO (lithium titanate) is an even cooler chemistry if you need something with massive discharge capability, but they're super weird (2.3V nominal) and even worse density

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-fire-gif-18709628

[loud pike]

(If you ever feel like looking into battery silliness, Aging Wheels/Under Dunn on youtube does incredibly silly things with batteries basically always.)

[unborn merlin]

and suffers for it

as we saw in his recent update video

whomp whomp. 😛

[loud pike]

Oh he does. But it's delightful. XD

As it is, someone local was selling a Citicar and part of me really wished I had the money so I could buy it for him and deliver it all the way to his place just so I could see him suffer with it XD

[shell basalt]

I see you got a 5090 too

[forest edge]

not been looking at any of that stuff.. those drop yet?

[shell basalt]

hell if i know .. i can't afford that stuff

i was actually going to use my bonus check that I was going to get this year to buy a new PC .. but instead they fired me

[forest edge]

ouch

well if you do ever get enough and looking for prebuilt. i been pretty happy with my microcenter one for about4-5 years now

i'll never buy something like a dell again

[shell basalt]

dells used to be coveted, even before that "dude you're getting a dell!" guy

[forest edge]

wish they would build a microcenter up here north

hate having to make that long drive down there lol

and they tease me with those free 128gb mem card emails all the time

[shell basalt]

i actually need to swing in there tonight to pick up a couple of SD cards

the weather is going to be crap for the next week, so I might as well line up some projects

[forest edge]

you two should meet up and duke it out

[shell basalt]

^

which is going to be real difficult with single digit temps

[forest edge]

no garage to lock them in?

[shell basalt]

they wont go inthere

[forest edge]

well you have to build them up to wanting to go in there like putting food in there lol

[shell basalt]

i dont need the mice in there, because mice in there means mice in the rest of the house, and I dont feel like replacing my stove again

or I could just keep doing what i've been doing.. these two little shits have survived all the polar vortexes since 2021

they have a shelter somewhere else ..they have to because they dont shelter at my place all the time

[forest edge]

strays will have several places

[unborn merlin]

i have like three within range. 🙃

[forest edge]

well then give us one

[shell basalt]

just put one on the missouri side so I dont have to deal with KS traffic

they idiots 😦

[forest edge]

? where you are.. you shouldn't be able to tell a diffrence lol

[unborn merlin]

new york/jersey ones. lul

[shell basalt]

my drive to work involves Red Bridge Rd crossing into KS which becomes College Blvd

[forest edge]

lol my girl used to work at that red bridge ymca

[hollow panther]

I can't wait for the new microcenter to open here. We have a local chain that carries a lot of great stuff, but it's just not the same as microcenter.

[shell basalt]

the drive Red Bridge Rd drive .. easy.. beautiful... as soon as I cross into KS it becomes a nightmare of self-important wholly-impatient, and dangerous driving, combined with a terrible set of badly timed lights that just aggravates the drivers even more

[forest edge]

I use to think like that then I drove past the Iowa state line one day

[shell basalt]

like if you dont redline your engine coming from a dead stop after waiting for the light to turn green, the guy behind you is swooping around you

[hollow panther]

Is filtering legal there yet?

Are people generally obliging to it at least? After a decade of lane splitting in CA, I had to do 2 yrs in NYC/NJ for work and was lane splitting there and it seemed people trying to murder me for it was not uncommon, heh

Filtering is obviously less prone to that

Yeah, that's a bonus.

[lone dagger]

My cat just scared the shit out of me.

[hollow panther]

In CA, drivers will part the sea of traffic for you if they see you coming. We're very spoiled.

[lone dagger]

I have on noise cancelling headphones and was turned around typing on my iPad at my desk, my cat comes up behind me, stretches up and taps his paw on my back.

I definitely yelped and jumped a little. 😂

Shithead cat.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/sneakyvi-salem-gif-23205906

[hollow panther]

"hey. human. I need pets. hey. you."

[lone dagger]

That's exactly what he wanted.

But I scared him when I jumped and yelled. 🤣

I don't even know if I scared my son or husband yelling because I can't hear them.

[loud pike]

I have a crappy "Gaming chair". It has holes right where the shoulders are.

My cat LOVES tappy-tapping my shoulder through the holes.

Also his usual want is "Can you put on pants so I can get in your lap please?"

[stuck anchor]

here lane splitting isn't legal but almost nobody minds. you just have to be very careful with those very few jerks who actually try to block you.
funny thing is, police would take them down way harder for endangerment than they would with the lane splitting biker.

[loud pike]

Which is very cute... except he's a hair shy of like 20 pounds. He's not particularly Fat, he's just very tall and long. Like someone took the free transform tool and just set everything to 200%.

[stuck anchor]

most cars actually make room for lane splitters here

[hollow panther]

i had an nypd cop act as if i had just murdered a school bus full of children as i lane split past him. dude was screaming on the loudspeaker that he was going to hunt me down and find me.

[forest edge]

lane splitting is stupid

only 16ish states here allow it

[hollow panther]

lane splitting is safer than motorcyclists sitting in traffic

there's science to that

[weak musk]

Explain your thoughts here

[hollow panther]

out of curiosity, where is "here"?

[forest edge]

it's simple. you are riding between multiple two vehicles at close proximity. all it takes is one wrong move between 3 objects to cause an accident

[weak musk]

I mean sure, but it should only be happening at low speeds

[forest edge]

not to mention when riders "lane split" coming up on an intersection view is heavily restricted

yea well, when you make something legal people stretch that

every time

[stuck anchor]

norway

[forest edge]

besides it varies by state on lane splitting allowances

[hollow panther]

having the other vehicle next to you is one of the things that makes it more safe. if a motorcycle is in between lanes 1 and 2, the lane 1 driver sees the lane 2 driver more readily than the motorcyclist.

also, when a motorcycle is stopped behind a car in traffic, it's very common that the person coming up to the stop gauges their stopping distance against the car in front of the motorcycle and not the motorcycle, thereby rear ending the motorcycle

[forest edge]

it has only really reduced rear end collisions for obvious reasons but that is just one statistic

they use to argue not wearing a helmet increased visibility and awareness so some states allowed riding without a helmet and it took years to revert that lol

[hollow panther]

and how many states require helmets?

it's ridiculously low

[forest edge]

?

all of them

I believe

[hollow panther]

nope

18 states

[forest edge]

ok 3 states still allow helmetless riding

[hollow panther]

what?

[forest edge]

18?

[hollow panther]

there are only 18 states that have universal helmet laws

https://www.iihs.org/topics/motorcycles/motorcycle-helmet-laws-table

(this is one of the reasons i refuse to have an AMA membership... they lobby against helmet laws way too much)

[stuck anchor]

you should definitely always protect your cpu

[forest edge]

well a good chunk of those states you wouldn't ride amotorcycle in anyways

[hollow panther]

such as?

[forest edge]

alaska..

[hollow panther]

alaska has some fantastic riding

[weak musk]

I would 1000% ride Alaska

[hollow panther]

some of my best riding memories are in alaska!!

it's a huge destination to ride to the arctic circle

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-frozen-chilly-the-shining-winter-gif-10777839

[weak musk]

Have you been? It’s pretty damn nice in the summer

[stuck anchor]

i had a bad accident on pedal bike and the way that helmet looked afterwards... my head would definitely not be in a good way afterwards without it

[hollow panther]

so many motorcyclists make bucket list trips up through the yukon and all the way up across the "ice road truckers" road and into the arctic circle

[forest edge]

not to mention alot of those states according to that list restrict it to mopeds

[weak musk]

Yeah alwaaaays wear a helmet. Zero exceptions.

[hollow panther]

that's my point. they don't require helmets on motorcycles.

seriously, helmet laws in the US are severely lacking

[forest edge]

yea well we got lane splitting too

[hollow panther]

and our helmet certification standards are even lower

DOT tests are useless for real world safety

[forest edge]

if it's not going to make sense on some aspects, why should it on others i suppose

[weak musk]

Gotta get dot/snell/and ec certain

Certs

[hollow panther]

snell has been neutered, too :( they caved to the US market

[weak musk]

I didn’t know that, damnit

[hollow panther]

so, some snell certs are still good

but you have to have a spreadsheet to cross ref with as you shop

[weak musk]

I’m in the market now and it’s…. A pain in the butt

[hollow panther]

I hear ya... I loathe shopping for a new lid every 5 yrs. especially with them changing the head shapes more frequently now.

[stuck anchor]

ece 22.06 i think is the certification required here

[hollow panther]

For my street helmet, I'll usually buy 2 at a time and let one sit in the closet so I can get 10 yrs between shopping. but track orgs check manufacture dates, so you need a fresh one for tech inspection.

[weak musk]

That’s mainly what I’m looking at/for, seems to be the most complete standard

[weak musk]

This isn’t a bad idea at all

Especially if you find something you really like

[stuck anchor]

i seem to have a head that fits classic arai shape

[forest edge]

helmets expire cause the foam inside breaks down. dosen't matter if you wear it or not

and whatever that coating some helmets have degrades and turns sticky

[weak musk]

Not my experience with Arai unfortunately 😆

[stuck anchor]

my biggest (literally) problem is finding one that is large enough for my thick head

[forest edge]

get a half helmet

[weak musk]

Yes. Love how quiet their stuff is but I can never get a good enough fit

[weak musk]

Perfect to hold your brain in when you crash!

[forest edge]

depending how fast you normally go they would work just fine

[stuck anchor]

no, i ride a motorcycle, not a harley 😛

[forest edge]

well see

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-dumb-and-dumber-gif-jim-carrey-dumb-and-dumber-jim-carrey-jimcarrey-gif-1681808004033611363

[forest edge]

if I was still riding i'd probably get one of those full frontal lift helmets even if they do look too british to me

[weak musk]

The modular ones Sonoma?

[stuck anchor]

what do you guys ride? honda vf1000r here

[forest edge]

yea

my icon is my current bike i'm going to be selling

[weak musk]

I had a bmw k75s then a bmw 1150rt and just ordered a Honda nx500 because I want something for commuting that’s easier (and cheaper) to work on.

[weak musk]

Heaaavy!

[forest edge]

putting normal full facials on your head especially when you wear glasses suck

context

[weak musk]

You’re not wrong!

[stuck anchor]

i was thinking something in the 350 to 500 range for commuting, but then home office became a thing after covid

hardly been to the office since

[forest edge]

kind of feel bad. i bought a new icon helmet and only got to wear it twice before I stopped riding lol

[weak musk]

The vf1000r is a cool bike, but I can’t handle being bent over like that for more than an hour

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-my-back-back-pain-my-back-hurts-spider-man-no-way-home-gif-25402267

[weak musk]

And I’m going back to in office for the first time in 6 years, so I better have some fun on the way to and from

[forest edge]

its more than just your back too.. you feel it it in your legs and even your hands start to cramp up likely from the restricted blood flow from being in the cradle position too long

[weak musk]

For sure

[stuck anchor]

it's also a heavy bike. and not nearly rigid enough for its power and weight. but i do love that engine. it has so much low end grunt.

[weak musk]

When I test drove the Honda I was reminded how much fun smaller engines can be

The 500 not yours lol

[stuck anchor]

i've had a triumph tt600. fun bike. exceptional handling. but that constant gearing... i don't want to always feel like i am racing

[forest edge]

600cc is pretty much the min. anything lower is like a childs toy lol

i had an F4i once.. I outgrew that thing so fast it wasn't even funny

the smaller bikes are awesome for taking your test on tho

[weak musk]

shows up on a 50cc minibike

[forest edge]

that would be funny

think the smallest they would allow here at the time was a 250

[stuck anchor]

that feeling of accelerating up through the gears to 120km/h on that 600. then i got the vf1000r and a flick of the wrist - and you are doing 120 with no drama.

[weak musk]

I think that is what we were allowed when I got licensed in New England

[weak musk]

I’m the kind of person that figures out how to have the same amount of fun on a 1200 as a class 3 e-bike 🤣

[forest edge]

if ebikes didn't look so bad and sit so weird I think one of those might be fun

[weak musk]

They are a blast

[forest edge]

even harley can't get the bike to look and sit right with eletric lol

[stuck anchor]

the triumph tiger 900 looks nice. the 1200 is just too heavy for offroading

[weak musk]

I have a cargo version and I made a custom trailer mount for it that lets me tow one of these: https://gorillamade.com/product/gcg-7/

[forest edge]

you know lawnmowers work too

[weak musk]

Yeah, I use this to tow my nieces and nephews around town (or help with town cleanups). It’s ridiculous, but fun.

[weak musk]

Lots of bmw people get the 900 tiger over the 800 gs from bmw for touring

They’re nice bikes

[stuck anchor]

i used to ride one of these too

[forest edge]

that looks ancient

[stuck anchor]

it belonged to my grandfather

back in the eighties

[forest edge]

i've only ever rode one of those once in my life. always wondered how it felt hitting a hidden log lol

[stuck anchor]

the hidden bushes are the problem. where you sink.

that thing was a workhorse, but it was heavy

and a hell to dig out

[forest edge]

I bet

it was made from actual metal.. not this crap they refer to as metal these days

[stuck anchor]

we used it to pull each other up the nearby mountains on alpine skis .

2 or 3 kids on a long rope. one sitting on the rear seat holding his skis.

[weak musk]

Sounds like a blast

[stuck anchor]

it was.

deep snow skiing on alpine skis was fun

[weak musk]

🙂‍↕️

[snow raven]

I can't be the first one to google this right? I love that color

[shell basalt]

you gotta consider adjacent searches

hexcode colors can also be translated into Pantone colors

which will lead you to: https://pioneerworks.org/broadcast/club-med-adderall

https://pioneerworks.org/broadcast/pantone-color-of-the-pandemic

[fickle patrol]

I wish each one of those colors had a wiki page explaining the subtext behind the name choice hahaha

[shell basalt]

those arent real pantone colors

[weak musk]

they should be

[shell basalt]

that 2nd link actually includes the story as to why Joshua picked that named and color code

[stoic summit]

What naming convention do most people use for devices/entities?

[lone dagger]

I name things mostly as their location and the device type.

Kitchen extender
Garage exit
Chris closet light

[weak musk]

what_where_descriptor
switch_diningroom_pendant
remote_battery_guestroom_scenecontroller
shade_livingroom_frontyard

[hollow panther]

Yamaha fj-09, KTM 390 Duke, Suzuki dr650 here. The fj replaced my '93 vfr flyin fridge.

[shell basalt]

I just name things the way the voices tell me

[gusty belfry]

Great my entire zigbee network just up and died.

[weak musk]

Hopefully you practice Buddhism...

[terse stag]

The new Elden Ring is awesome

Played the network test beta tonight

It’s a multiplayer co op roguelike dark souls game

[snow raven]

lmao this is fascinating

anyone play the new civ yet? I tried 5 when it came out and didn't like it, I always just boot up 3 or 4 if I'm feeling like that sort of game

[loud pike]

I don't know why but for some reason, my brain flashed that line as being in some sort of nonsense game journo posting.

It's like all the most annoying buzzwords of the lazy buzzfeed article writer at once XD

Now you just have to say "It's the dark souls of dark souls"

[stuck anchor]

same basic concept, except i remove the underscores and use camelCase

[young sigil]

How? CamelCase is not supported by objetc ids in Home Assistant. The slugify filter changes upper case letters to lower case and replaces everything excpt letters and numbers with an underscore.

[stuck anchor]

that's for my names, especially in z2m where the vast majority of my devices are. in the id it gets all lowercased, yes.

[loud pike]

It can do all that, but it still can't tell why kids love the great taste of cinnamon toast crunch...

Or figure out how they cram all that graham into golden grahams...

[deft pewter]

Or why Americans think 'grahams' has only one syllable 😂

[loud pike]

Or why Brits think it has a Y in it. XD

[deft pewter]

It's our language, we make the rules

[loud pike]

I prefer to take a global approach. Like understanding that the Norwegian pronunciation of a G as a hard G would be a Y. And the Old French/Proto-germanic pronuncuation of a J sound would also be a Y.

Which means the proper pronunciation of Gif is "Yiff".

[ocean oar]

Or why "solder" doesn't have an L in it

[deft pewter]

This! I was watching a YT vid on soldering once and thought I was going deaf/crazy.

[forest edge]

we fix stupid mistakes

[deft pewter]

I could provide soooooo many counterpoints to that but politics is banned here 🫠

[loud pike]

We're not thrilled about it either. XD

[forest edge]

thats ok, we'll let you continue to say gray'em crackers waaaaay over there out of our sight

[loud pike]

Can I set up a HA integration to put in the milk second like it's supposed to be done? XD

[deft pewter]

I think Americans just need things to be made really simple 😁 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCo0hSFAWOc

[loud pike]

As hosted by a guy who played Cops and Wobbers as a kid.

[deft pewter]

Yeah, his accent is horrific

[forest edge]

some foreigner thinks a lot about american's.. shocker lol

[loud pike]

There are some things that will always stand out about certain british comedians...

Johnathan Woss's speech impediment, Jimmy Carr's goose-interfering laugh... XD

[ocean oar]

a ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa

[loud pike]

Also the fact that if Phil Jupitus ever pulled a Penn Gilette and lost a ton of weight, it'd be like living in the twilight zone.

Also the fact that susan calman makes herself laugh probably more than anyone else I know sheerly out of abject self-embarrassment XD

[young sigil]

You can use capital letters and spaces for names. That way you don't have to bother customising them in dashboards.

[stuck anchor]

having systematic naming i can remember saves me more time when searching in device and entity lists than i spend editing card titles in dashboards. 😉

[young sigil]

I have no issue searching.

[shell topaz]

why are no developers online?

[dawn badge]

you should probably post in the right place and actually include information.

[scenic jasper]

My gf is always nagging I should turn off my rack when I don't use it (for her, not actively working on it = not using it), but now I have another good reason for having it on (besides heating up the basement where I work): rising dough!

[keen bridge]

I have one of those HPs as my plex server and mine is pretty great. Not that toasty though unless it's encoding

[hexed spade]

where are we to go for questions/remarks on the community forum? seems after the update, the posts take a lot more space, and especially the New & Unread section is affected by that

[scenic jasper]

They're running a bit hot in idle for me. Probably a culmination of the facts that they need a repaste, sit on top of a hot switch, and on top of each-other.

[keen bridge]

Probably best to post in the forum, if you leave it as uncategorised for now we can move it later if we need to 😁

[hexed spade]

ok let me do that. just remembered there even is a thread inside this channel, but tht is only for Discord is it?

[keen bridge]

That is for discord indeed

[hexed spade]

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/new-forum-layout-is-very-very-spacy/847719

ha, and moved/merged/closed 😉 thanks Tom

[young sigil]

Any time 😁

[stuck anchor]

just wait until you forget that dough, and it rises over the rim and oozes down on your servers. if they were not hot before then they will be...

[scenic jasper]

It's a low water dough, I don't think it'll rise a lot.
However, I was thinking of putting my seeds on top of the rack to harnest the heat. Probably not a good idea...

[stuck anchor]

i would then consider another shelf to the side of your existing one for the seeds, and a fan to push the hot air over. and it would still be dangerous. no, nothing that requires handling water near servers.

[runic cape]

How powerful do you suppose the fan in an air fryer is? How much power does it draw

Ikea smart plugs say they support "motor 300W", the air fryer as a whole is 1550W, but no way more than 300W of that goes to the fan, right?

a 300W fan would be insane, right?

[dawn badge]

yeah i imagine it will be fine. also its not so much monitoring thats the issue but if you try and switch the load

[runic cape]

The non-monitoring one has the same limitation so I never imagined it was monitoring

[dawn badge]

and yeah a 300 watt fan in a airfryer would be insane 😛

[tawdry stirrup]

May I ask quickly here.. I moved to HA in docker environment and realized that I lost the file editor (addon) in companion app. Is there other a way to edit files through the companion app?

[runic cape]

I like to imagine an air fryer which a fan so powerful all the heat is just the waste heat of the fan

other than blasting your food into dust is there a reason why this would not work 🤔

and noise I guess

[dawn badge]

container install doesnt support addons. you could just edit the files on your host system though i imagine

[dawn badge]

if you try and switch a high inductive load like a motor with a relay you get alot of arcing and damage things

[tawdry stirrup]

Yeah that's how far I ended. So no integrations to be used with some separate file editor service, for example?

[runic cape]

Will smell be the first tell?

[dawn badge]

sometimes, or the relay gets fused and cant switch

[runic cape]

It's a shame that the metering one is unlikely to be able to use its metering to determine the nature of the load and report on that

[dawn badge]

if it tracks power factor you could probably work it out

[runic cape]

AFAIK it literally just reports an ever-increasing total

but I don't have one yet, just googled about it

[dawn badge]

you could start a thread in #1284966582375813201 with what you want to do and see if any suggestions

[dawn badge]

it depends on the plug some have more info than others

[runic cape]

Feels weird to have to care about the specifics of the magical sources of endless power in my walls

though I figure it's good for anyone to know a little bit about them

[dawn badge]

data is great!

[primal laurel]

Not-so-endless when you check where it's coming from 😄

[last cedar]

My whole house ventillation system uses 90W (2 fans and a rotating heat exchanger), you will be fine!

[runic cape]

I'm thinking of getting a smart plug for the sole purpose of telling when my air fryer is done cooking (while I am away from it)

[raw flax]

Quick question: Is a shorter domain more desirable? Trying to find a good one for me and I have quite some options. The shortest is 7 characters total

[dawn badge]

i have a similar thing.

[dawn badge]

personal preference i guess. something easy to remember and easy to read to someone who doesnt understand domains over the phone

[raw flax]

https://www.amazon.de/COSORI-Heißluftfritteuse-APP-Steuerung-LED-Touchscreen-Shake-Modus/dp/B085Y464MR
I have this one but I'm still waiting for it to get added to VeSync in HA

[runic cape]

You may have sanitized the link too much, it's 404

I already have the air fryer though, and I wasn't going to pay the extra money for a smart one when a smart plug is like 20 euro

obviously a smart plug will do much less but I'm not really interested in setting the temp remotely

and activating it remotely is probably not possible even with smart stuff because of safety concerns

[dawn badge]

making stuff semi smart by getting the status from devices by the power they use is cool 🙂

[runic cape]

I'm having a strangely difficult time finding out the actual power of refrigerators I'm browsing

They seem reluctant to say anything but yearly energy consumption

or things like that

[dawn badge]

it depends on the temp variance between what they are set at and ambient

[runic cape]

But what is it capable of drawing, that's what I want to know

[dawn badge]

oh like the peak compressor consumption?

[runic cape]

It does say 10 amps but surely it's not 2.2 to 2.4 kW?

Yeah

I looked at the info plate on the inside of my fridge but the only wattage on there was 90 which seems unrealistically low

also it was very awkward to read it where it was so I stopped trying after reading the 90 xD

[dawn badge]

its probably in datasheets somewhere but its hidden because its a number people would misunderstand

people would start saying running a 2kw fridge is like running a 2kw heater constantly. because they dont understand how they work

[runic cape]

Can't find these data sheets though

[dawn badge]

best off monitoring it with something to get a real figure

my garage spikes up to 1500w and the only thing spiking in power out there is a fridge freezer. so thats about 6.5A so i could definetly beleive some could go up to (or at least be rated at) 10A

[raw flax]

fixed

[runic cape]

Maybe amusingly it's actually the text part you're allowed to remove https://www.amazon.de/dp/B085Y464MR

[raw flax]

Firefox sanitised link option can learn from you for sure

[runic cape]

They did that?

I mean, they broke the link?

I don't think it's weird that they left the text part, it's a referral sanitizer not a shortener

[raw flax]

No I have broken it and the version with the name was by Firefox

[runic cape]

ok that's a relief

[raw flax]

Also I just bought the domain but the integration in HA doesn't seem to work for it. Would have felt wrong if it would just work I guess xD

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/namecheapdns/

[runic cape]

They do seem to say you can turn it on remotely, or they say you can schedule up to 4 hours in advance. why only 4 hours? maybe because not fully remote after all

@raw flax You have one of these, right? Can you turn it on fully remotely?

[raw flax]

You can even change the temperature remotly. But not via HA because it is still not supported in the VeSync integration sadly

[raw flax]

Yes

[runic cape]

See I thought that was illegal or something, but I guess not

[raw flax]

On/Off
Temperature
Time

[raw flax]

Apparently not but I also thought so 🤷

[dawn badge]

#1284966582375813201

[raw flax]

Not asking for help. Just saying that a 3 line config is something that I'm able to mess up apparently

[dawn badge]

it happens to all of us, if you cant get it working then support would be the place to go though 🙂

[raw flax]

See

[scenic jasper]

Turned out fine

[raw flax]

And I'm in Germany so that's extra wild

[dawn badge]

for some devices theres a ccertain aspect of... do i really want it to be able to be turned on remotely

[raw flax]

Yeah

"Hey Google, add 1h to my air fryer"
"hey Google, turn the air fryer to 205°C"

Words of power in the 20th century

[runic cape]

Some people store things in their ovens... don't do that

(unless they are oven racks)

[raw flax]

Comes scarily close to Smart Home bomb

[runic cape]

Home automation enthusiast when they discover smart bombs don't support Matter 😒

I wonder, is there anything like... a smart button actuator

it feels like a forbidden technology

Like I am picturing a little device you attach to the surface around a button

[dawn badge]

a finger bot is what you are looking for

[runic cape]

Mixed feelings on the name lol

[dawn badge]

switchbot do one without the name 😛 https://uk.switch-bot.com/products/switchbot-bot

[runic cape]

imagine spending like 300 euro on a gimmicky set-up with 'fingerbots' and cameras to make a 100 euro air fryer smart

[dawn badge]

i think they are more designed for switched in awkward or hard to reach places.
people use them for turning heat on before getting home too

specially in places where they cant do heavy modifications e.g. renting

[runic cape]

I figured light switches when they don't wanna replace the actual switch

[dawn badge]

my issue with using it on a light switch is that if you are going to use the lightswitch "normally" too. it becomes awkward. specially if feeling in the dark etc...

[runic cape]

oh, I thought they would account for that by moving out of the way after actuating

[raw flax]

More bookmarked black magic

[dawn badge]

some are better then others but its still stuck on your switch

[runic cape]

I liked when in Mr. Robot they hacked into a smart home

I liked the way they combined the realistic idea of vulnerability, with the realistically very limited actual harm done

They just made the house uncomfy so the (rich) owners would leave (to some other house they own I guess) and they could squat it

I don't really remember what was the point of that but you know. nobody hacking a coffee machine to make it explode to assassinate someone

and actual tinkerers aren't even usually at risk of the uncomfy cause we'd just shut it down

there are lots of theoretical bad outcomes but very little of it can ever be done on purpose

[dawn badge]

some idiot is doing something stupid with the appliance so we all gotta walk at the pace of the slowest in society

[last cedar]

My modern Bosch upright uses 250W per day and freezer about 500W per day

[runic cape]

I want the usage when it's pumping, not the average usage over time

[dawn badge]

average? or do you mean wh instead of w?

[last cedar]

Total consumption over 1 day was 250W

and 500W

[dawn badge]

but W is measurement of power not energy consumption

[solar zealot]

How many raccoons does that equate to

[runic cape]

Yeah W/day would be something like power acceleration or something

[dawn badge]

it depends on your latitude

[runic cape]

My solar farm is growing by 300W/day

[dawn badge]

watt day is a horrible idea for measuring energy

[primal laurel]

1 panel a day keeps the oil companies away?

[runic cape]

What I mean is, over the course of last year, my solar farm has grown by an average of 300 W average production per day

I kinda see the appeal in kWh/year in the sense that it conveys you're talking about sustained and not peak or anything

but at the same time, it doesn't really say that you're doing that, people will just assume, which also seems like a bad thing

[primal laurel]

kWh / year is just yearly yield

[runic cape]

same for wattage and assuming it means peak

well yeah the main reason is that kWh, days and years are easier to reason about

[stuck anchor]

1Wh = 3600 Ws = 3600 Joule. so 1kWh = 3.6MJ
those are the units for energy

[primal laurel]

for making quotes we used TMY data to produce those numbers, thats pretty common

[runic cape]

although, I do feel like at the very least, our power bill could be per GW or something

er. GJ

or MJ

I just think there is a risk in a unit coming to mean something that it doesn't formally mean

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/samraimi-spiderman-mary-jane-watson-mj-gif-17434436774314704046

I'm a big fan of MJ

[stuck anchor]

yes. and W/h is definitely not energy even if people often mean Wh when writing it

[runic cape]

Relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/3038/

Lol I accidentally found the explainxkcd first, while looking for this

and they point out that "miles per gallon" has uncancelled units xD can you imagine?

1 mile per gallon is technically 425144 m^-2

[primal laurel]

I vote we ban freedom units in engineering

we already did so in science

[runic cape]

the freedom units aren't the point here

1 km/litre is 1000000 m^-2

[stuck anchor]

over here we also turn that upside down. we measure gas guzzlers in l/metric mile (10km) or l/100km depending on country. so for us lowerer is betterer

[runic cape]

so to think about this, you'd have to consider that for a box-shaped gas tank, every square meter of footprint lets you travel 1000000 times the height of the gas tank?

This is specifically for 1 km/litre, I am not a car person and I don't know if that is outrageously high or low

[loud pike]

So what is that in barleycorns?

[runic cape]

nothing wrong with that

[stuck anchor]

10km/l is more realistic

[loud pike]

Do you have a conversion for yardarms?

We clearly need a conversion for DtK Knots.

[glacial knot]

for guzzlers

[loud pike]

Oh so you've met my ex then? XD

Also to whoever it was who was talking about the amazon vine thing... literally 99% of the entertainment is the "Wait you're offering me THAT!?" you get every day.

For instance, on my stack today.... a coupler bracket for an excavator.

Why that needs to be Reviewed, I don't know,, but also why in the hell would I need one of those!?

[dawn badge]

seems like something you would want to know if it has bad reviews 😛

[loud pike]

I mean, yeah, but it feels like the kind of thing where if it was that bad, there'd be lawsuits involved XD

[glacial knot]

do you research open court cases, or reviews before you buy?

[loud pike]

I have really bad ADHD, so that research starts and ends with "Oh hey what's that" XD

[last cedar]

Do the maths youself then, if you don't like my units

And someone will ask if that is a constant load, and because it cycles it won't be

for a fridge, it is completely insignificant how much power it uses whilst in use, as it uses so little in total. it would be like working out the instantanious usage of a PWM fan which might be microwatts but over a day may be say 36W

If it was a giant 3 phase motor you were running from an inverter it may have some significance

I guess I will just shitpost instead of trying to be serious

[dawn badge]

i felt it was ambigious

"500w a day" to me means 500w constantly for a day so therefore 12kwh a day which seems high

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-birthday-balloons-raccoons-gif-25482249

[stuck anchor]

discussing energy and power often gets confusing.

[iron granite]

You always run into resistance.

[stuck anchor]

if you use an average of 300W the whole day then that becomes 300W * 24h = 7.2kWh

[solar zealot]

Yea no fridges use a ton of energy

It's probably the single largest consumer in regular households besides hvac

[primal laurel]

nah, modern fridges consume very little energy. If yours uses a lot then it's probably worth it to replace it

[loud pike]

Modern fridges have decent sealing... sort of.

[solar zealot]

You should measure it, they don't

[loud pike]

Unless you have an expensive fridge. French door fridges SUCK for energy consumption.

[solar zealot]

Your looking ~300kwh a year

[loud pike]

Also if you want to save even More money, get a chest freezer. The top loaders. They're Very good at keeping things cheap.

[primal laurel]

100kWh - 200kWh per year here

[solar zealot]

That may be what their tags state but with how those duty cycles are being measured that's not gonna happen in my experience

[dawn badge]

i think i am at 100-200 here too. i guess it depends on the differential between inside and ambiant. i can see 300kwh in a hot climate

[solar zealot]

Or it's just small that can also be the case

[loud pike]

Having an AC helps keep your fridge's bill down a bit too.

You're displacing a bit, sure, but it does help.

[solar zealot]

Having an ac just offloads the cooling

[loud pike]

Granted, you're making your water heater work a little harder if it's in a conditioned space, but separate issue.

[primal laurel]

a heat pump in my climate will do 3000-5000 kWh / year. Resistive heating would do 10.000 kWh/year +. An electric car does somewhere around 2400 kWh/year depending on how much you drive ofcourse

[loud pike]

An EV gives you the side benefit of a battery(get a generac cutoff) you can power your home with in an emergency though. Also you save money by not spending that much more on gas.

[mystic bane]

Beginner here - please be gentle!

[primal laurel]

that tech doesn't really exist yet, but it would be cool to have

[loud pike]

It... very very much does though?

[primal laurel]

there are some larger scale V2G experiments running but that's it

[loud pike]

A cutoff plate for a generator hookup for a breaker box is very cheap...

And if your car can backfeed(surprisingly a lot can, check your manual), plug car into generator port, use mains cutoff switch plate to make sure the generator port is closed and the mains is open, and boom.

[primal laurel]

only a few EV models have it. And in general you can't use it for emergency power

[mystic bane]

A question. is there any version of HA that would vrun on an Arduino UNo (that I have) rather than a RP? (which I dont have!)

[primal laurel]

no

[loud pike]

Basically any EV that does bidirectional charging can support it.

[mystic bane]

Oh. Better start saving the pennies then!

[stuck anchor]

in some rural areas of the world electric bikes have become popular because of employers offering free charging. people then pedal the bike home without assist and rig the battery to power household items, tablets for childrens school homework etc

[loud pike]

(Specificallyt V2H, but yeah)

Also the supported list is surprisingly long. Basically everything Hyundai makes since last year(I've seen some people who've found ways to get earlier models to do it, but separate issue), the Leaf, the Lightning, the Fisker Ocean(which is surprising that that exists), the cyber(vomit noises), that weird thing VW put out, that stupid one Jeep made...

[solar zealot]

How much energy can those possibly store for people to even bother

[mystic bane]

What is the oldest version of Windows that will run HA? I have a Win7 Netbook! (but also a Win11 desktop)

[solar zealot]

Windows doesn't run homeassistant at all

[loud pike]

Windows doesn't technically run HA. So any version of windows that can run VMWare.

[primal laurel]

this channel is not for support, make a thread in#1284966540617449515

[loud pike]

Believe me, I've been wanting them to make a windows native version of HA for a long time. 😛

[solar zealot]

Yuck

[primal laurel]

windows 🤢

[stuck anchor]

when you never know if the power grid will be up then it's better than nothing, evidently

[loud pike]

Seriously, just... startup time alone makes it a better option XD

[solar zealot]

Sounds like a terrible place to live in tbh

[mystic bane]

They do give instructions for installig HA on WIN, but only mention 10 and 11

[loud pike]

My winserver starts up basically instantly. Meanwhile, the VM for HA is.... noticeably slow. Hell, the non-VM linux box I made for an emustation a few years back was in the "Go get a cup of coffee" territory.

[solar zealot]

Sounds like skill issues

[loud pike]

Skill Deez Nuts.

[solar zealot]

four eel no capybara or whatever kids say

😂

[loud pike]

Also back to the car thing, that's one of the reasons I chuckle a little when people talk about the grid not being enough to support EVs... Not only Can the grid handle it, but it's actually better if more evs with more V2H capability get put out there. Hell, could even be used with a comms protocol that could tell the house "Switch to stored power, whether it's the EV or house batteries, because the grid's overloaded, so help take some load off"

Would be a hell of an alternative to rolling brownouts, that's for sure

[solar zealot]

They are in the process of figuring out fast charging on low capacity grids which is quite the right choice

[loud pike]

I mean...

Fast charging should be the last thing people focus on. Most people shouldn't be fast charging.

[primal laurel]

the grid can't handle it if everyone starts charging at the same time 🙂

[loud pike]

Chances are if you can afford a modern EV, you're not living in an apartment with no garages.

[solar zealot]

You don't need mwh connections for one car coming by every now and then so it may just buffer energy in between

So you don't need to buy as expensive infrastructure (today)

[loud pike]

The biggest PITA with EVs isn't the grid, it's the drivers.

[solar zealot]

That's just cars in general

Or basically any human activity

[loud pike]

So many folks are like "Yea, I TOTALLY need to charge at a charging station", nevermind the fact that they have L2 in their garage.

[solar zealot]

I don't really get that as an argument if your car isn't in your garage for prolonged periods of time

[loud pike]

I live in a very weird neighborhood, low-ish income apartments where I am, upper middle class suburban cookie cutter houses a block away. Three car garages, all new cars, etc.

[loud pike]

Local horse forgets that sometimes, people sleep at night.

[solar zealot]

Not for as long as you may need to charge a car with the infrastructure available to you

[loud pike]

But yeah, lotta EVs in that neighborhood. Where do they all charge? At the Target down the damn road 😛

[loud pike]

Yes, for that long or less.

[primal laurel]

https://github.com/evcc-io/evcc if you have an EV you may like this

it has a beautiful UI

and it has a home assistant addon

[dawn badge]

the UK has a unique power problem. after big live tv programs there is a huge surge as everyone puts on the electric kettle to make tea
we have to have a hydro system ready for it. it pumps water up in the background and when the kettles go on its put through a turbine

[solar zealot]

Of course you can bribe someone to install you your personal 25kw plug but why bother

[loud pike]

Overnight is usually more than plenty to get most EVs up to 80% SoC and most commuters won't even need to do it every night.

[primal laurel]

stole this picture from our dutch HA server

[solar zealot]

Electriciteitsprijs

I love this language

[loud pike]

...So literally every pumped storage hydroelectric system. XD

[primal laurel]

my german friend calls it drunk german

I can see why

[solar zealot]

Yes yes that's true

[dawn badge]

yeah

[loud pike]

There's a great video on YT where some guy is going into how stupid that "Store power by stacking concrete blocks" nonsense thing was and it basically just ends with him reinventing that system XD

Same guy did a whole video about how tesla's hyperloop tunnel nonsense was dumb, talks about all the ways to fix it, and by the end he's just reinvented the subway.